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ARE GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR 
          [Town Council Work Session on August 5, 2024.]
WORK SESSION OF MONDAY, AUGUST 5TH TO ORDER. 
          CHRISTIE, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR COCKRELL HERE. 
          VICE MAYOR LOP HERE. 
          COUNCILMAN INGRAM? HERE. 
          COUNCILMAN HERE. 
          COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? HERE. 
          COUNCILWOMAN DAM PAYNE. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCIL WOOD HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE FIRST ITEM WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS TONIGHT, UM, WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR  W THE SOLID WASTE RATES AND ORDINANCE REVISION. 
          SO, MR. WILSON, ARE YOU STARTING OFF WITH THIS OR IS OKAY? GO AHEAD. 
          SORRY. 
          UH, I WANTED TO JUST SAY A FEW COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED. 
          UM, TONIGHT WE'RE HERE AGAIN TO TALK ABOUT SOLID WASTE. 
          UH, AS YOU REMEMBER, UH, WE CAME IN JANUARY AFTER WE HAD THE COST OF SERVICE STUDY DONE. 
          UH, AND IT INDICATED THAT OUR RATES NEEDED TO GO UP 36%. 
          UH, IT WAS GOING FROM A RATE OF $14 AND 10 CENTS AS TO RESIDENTIAL 96, UH, GALLON CAN WENT FROM 14 TO $18. 
          AND, UH, WE FLOATED AROUND THE IDEA OF DOING A THREE YEAR PROGRESSION OF RATE INCREASES. 
          UH, WE CAME BACK IN MARCH TO TALK AGAIN ABOUT SOLID WASTE, BUT THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE MAIN STREET PROBLEM THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH AND HOW WE COULD, UM, RECOVER OUR TRUE COSTS FOR THAT. 
          UH, SINCE THEN WE'VE HELD A COUPLE, UM, WE HELD A COUPLE TOWN HALLS AND WE'VE GOT A RECOMMENDATION MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT TONIGHT. 
          UH, BUT WHAT THE MAIN REASON WE'RE HERE AGAIN TONIGHT IS BECAUSE ON JUNE 25TH, WARREN COUNTY DECIDED, UH, DURING THEIR BUDGET PROCESS TO ADD A TIP AND FEE FOR ALL OUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS HERE IN TOWN OF $40 A TON. 
          SO TODAY WE ARE HERE, NOT WITH A 36% GAP, BUT A 62% GAP. 
          SO NOW INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT RATES AT 18, WE'RE LOOKING AT $22 BECAUSE OF THE TIP FEE. 
          SO TONIGHT WE HAVE JOHN CULBERSON WITH MS WW WHO'S GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH WHAT THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE FROM WHAT THE NUMBERS YOU SAW IN JANUARY TO WHERE THEY ARE TODAY. 
          I WILL TELL YOU THAT THOSE RATES THAT THE COUNTY PASSED WHEN EFFECT ON JULY 1ST. 
          SO THAT'S TELLING YOU THAT WE ARE ALREADY GONNA BE OPERATING IN THE RED THIS YEAR UNLESS WE CAN RECOVER THAT IT IS OVER $200,000 OR MORE. 
          AND, UH, BJ COULD PROBABLY TELL YOU THE NUMBERS, BUT THAT IS AN EXPENSE THAT WE DID NOT KNOW WHEN WE STARTED DOWN THIS JOURNEY IN JANUARY OR BEFORE MID-JUNE, BEFORE WHEN THIS CAME OUT TO LIGHT. 
          SO, UM, I WANTED TO GET THAT BACKGROUND. 
          JOHN, I WILL GIVE YOU THE FLOOR IF YOU'RE READY. 
          CERTAINLY, I FEEL LIKE, UH, LIKE SOME OF MY THUNDER'S BEEN STOLEN BECAUSE I THINK THOSE ARE DEFINITELY THE, UH, DEF DEFINITELY THE DETAILS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, JOHN CULBERTSON WITH MSW CONSULTANTS, UH, I'VE HAD THE, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE, SO IT'S NICE TO BE BACK. 
          UH, THAT MEANS I CAN DISPENSE WITH ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, FANCY COMPANY INTROS AND GET RIGHT DOWN TO BUSINESS. 
          SO, UM, I GUESS, UH, UH, I WOULD CHARACTERIZE MY OBJECTIVE HERE IS GOING THROUGH IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, UM, TRYING TO LAY OUT IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, THE BACKGROUND AND, AND WHAT WE'VE ARRIVED AT WITH SOME OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT, UH, THAT WERE MENTIONED. 
          AND SO, UH, I'M GONNA TRY TO STEP THROUGH. 
          CAN EVERYBODY SEE OKAY. 
          EITHER ON YOUR SCREEN OR UP HERE. 
          UH, SUPER. 
          SO, UM, THOSE OF YOU REMEMBER, I'M NOT REALLY ONE TO READ SLIDES, BUT I LIKE TO USE SLIDES TO PROMPT THINGS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT. 
          UM, HOWEVER, WE, WE ALWAYS TRY TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A FEW, UH, OBLIGATORY THINGS TO SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE DID. 
          UH, AND WHAT WAS KIND OF UNIQUE ABOUT THIS IS I WOULD CHARACTERIZE, UH, THIS AS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD PROJECT RIGHT UP UNTIL THE LAST TWO BULLETS. 
          UH, AND THEN THIS WARREN COUNTY, UH, SITUATION ARISING IT REALLY, UH, THE COUNTY OBVIOUSLY DID NOT CONSULT WITH US OR THE TOWN IN DECIDING WHEN TO DO ITS TIP FEE RAISE. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS VERY INCONVENIENT DOING AFTER WE ESSENTIALLY COMPLETED THE PROJECT. 
          SO, UM, WE'VE TRIED TO TAKE THAT IN STRIDE AND USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE SOME OF THE BACKGROUND DATA, GET YOUR UPDATED BUDGET INFORMATION. 
          UH, SO WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE, MAKE THE MOST OF IT. 
          AND ALTHOUGH YOU HEARD, YOU KNOW, I THINK ANYTIME YOU HEAR BIG PERCENTAGE INCREASES IN ANY RATE SITUATION, UH, I THINK IT IS REASONABLE AND INSTINCTIVE TO THINK, GEEZ, THAT'S, THAT'S BAD. 
          THOSE ARE HIGH INCREASES. 
          UH, BUT I GUESS I WOULD ASK YOU AT THIS MOMENT JUST TO WITHHOLD THAT JUDGMENT AND, AND I'M GONNA TRY TO WALK THROUGH, UH, SOME OF THE IMPRESSIONS THAT WE HAVE, UM, NOT JUST OF THIS RATE INCREASE HERE IN THE TOWN, BUT MAYBE LOOKING MORE BROADLY AT THE INDUSTRY. 
          AND, AND WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE DISCUSSION OF PRIVATIZATION AS WE DO THAT. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, I THINK, UH, SOME OF THE SLIDES I HAVE WILL JUST BE, UM, UM, GIVING A LITTLE MORE DETAIL AND, AND HAVING THIS, YOU KNOW, COMMITTED TO PAPER, COMMITTED TO SLIDES SO THAT IT'S ALL IN, IN ONE PLACE, KIND OF EASY TO FOLLOW. 
          UM, BUT, UH, UH, IT IS A SHOCK NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT TO GO FROM, UH, HAVING THE ABILITY TO DISPOSE OF YOUR WASTE ON A PER TON BASIS FOR NO CHARGE TO VERY QUICKLY SUDDENLY HAVING TO PAY A $40 PER TON TIP FEE. 
          UM, AND SO, SO THAT, UH, THAT WAS A SERIOUS CURVE BALL, UM, THAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH. 
          UM, A COMMENT THAT I HAVE TO GIVE A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE 
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THOUGH, ON THAT $40 PER TON TIP FEE THAT IS ACTUALLY BELOW NATIONAL AVERAGES. 
          UM, OUR NATIONAL AVERAGE TIPPING FEE AT LANDFILLS, I BELIEVE ARE OVER $50 A TON. 
          IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. 
          THERE ARE SEVERAL SOURCES THAT PUBLICIZE, UH, LANDFILL TIPPING FEE RATES. 
          SO, UM, WHILE ON THE SURFACE, A SHOCK, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT, NOT THE GREATEST, UH, UH, LEAD TIME TO ALLOW YOU TO PREPARE BUDGETARILY, UM, BUT THAT TIP FEE IS, UH, IS AT OR EVEN BELOW, UM, I WOULD SAY A COMPETITIVE NATIONAL RATE AND REASONABLE FOR THIS AREA OF THE COUNTRY, UH, YOU KNOW, HERE, UH, IN VIRGINIA GETTING AWAY FROM, UH, KIND OF THE MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREAS. 
          SO JUST TRYING TO GIVE A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE ON THAT. 
          SO, UM, WHAT WAS NOT MENTIONED, UH, THE GOOD NEWS, I, I THINK IT'S THE GOOD NEWS, I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER, IS IN ADDITION TO IMPLEMENTING A TIF FEE ON THE TOWN'S RESIDENTIAL WASTE, UH, THE COUNTY ALSO HAS INCREASED OTHER FIFTIES ON OTHER CUSTOMERS. 
          SO I THINK IT IS INDICATIVE THAT THE COUNTY IS PROBABLY HURTING. 
          WE DIDN'T LOOK INTO THEIR SITUATION AS PART OF THIS, BUT, UM, THAT'S NOT TYPICALLY AN ACTION THAT, UH, A LANDFILL OWNER WOULD MAKE UNLESS THEY WERE PROBABLY SUFFERING SOME BUDGETARY CHALLENGES. 
          SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A SPECULATIVE, SPECULATIVE COMMENT. 
          BUT THAT'S MY SENSE. 
          IN ANY CASE, ALL OF THE NEXT SLIDES, YOU'VE SEEN AN EARLIER VERSION OF THE, OF MANY OF THESE NEXT SLIDES, IN FACT, MAYBE MOST OR ALL OF THE NEXT SLIDES AT THE JANUARY MEETING. 
          AND SO WE'VE DECIDED TO LABEL, UH, ALL OF THE, WE, WE'VE ESSENTIALLY REPACKAGED THE SUMMARY TABLES WITH THE NEW RATES, AND WE'RE USING THE CONVENTION OF THE BEFORE COLUMN IS WHAT YOU SAW BACK IN THE JANUARY TIMEFRAME. 
          AND THE AFTER COLUMN IS, YOU KNOW, AFTER TIP FEE INCREASE, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW CALCULATED. 
          AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IN ADDITION TO FACTORING IN THE, UH, THE INCREASE TO THE TIP FEE OR THE, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE $40 ON TIP FEE, WE USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH STAFF TO INCORPORATE THE, UH, NEXT YEAR'S, UH, UH, BUDGET. 
          SO WE, WE'VE TRIED TO GO AHEAD AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET ALL THE LATEST AND GREATEST INFORMATION IN OUR PROJECTIONS SO THAT YOU'RE NOW DEALING WITH, UH, WHAT WE THINK IS, YOU KNOW, THE BEST VETTED DATA THAT WE CAN COLLECTIVELY PUT TOGETHER, UH, AS STAFF AND AS YOUR CONSULTANT. 
          SO, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF A COUPLE OF REFRESHERS, UM, AND WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, PRIVATIZATION. 
          SO IF YOU TALK ABOUT PRIVATIZATION, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE PRIVATIZING. 
          UM, THE TOWN IS PREDOMINANTLY A RESIDENTIAL SERVICE PROVIDER. 
          UH, YOU DO SERVICE AT MAIN STREET, UM, YOU DO HAVE A SMALL NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL COLLECTIONS THAT ARE TUCKED IN EFFICIENTLY. 
          WE'LL GO BACK TO THAT. 
          BUT AGAIN, THIS IS MORE, UH, JUST A, JUST A QUICK SUMMARY. 
          I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH EVERY PICTURE. 
          SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET INTO, UM, BOTH THE ABSOLUTE DOLLAR VALUE OF SOME OF THE, THE IMPACTS OF BOTH UPDATING THE BUDGET YEAR AND UPDATING THE TIFF FEE. 
          UM, AND AS WAS MENTIONED, IT'S ABOUT A LITTLE OVER $200,000. 
          UH, NET INCREASED YOUR OVERALL SANITATION SYSTEM EXPENSE AS A RESULT OF THE WARREN COUNTY, UH, TIP FEE IMPLEMENTATION. 
          AND, UH, THAT ESSENTIALLY INCREASES YOUR, UH, YOUR DEFICIT. 
          AND AGAIN, ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS, I WOULD CONCEDE THAT THOSE PERCENTAGES, UH, THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE GIVE ME PAUSE FROM A PERCENTAGE BASIS. 
          UM, YOUR CURRENT REVENUE GENERATION, IF YOU DO NOTHING, IS, UH, DOWN AROUND A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          AND WE'RE SAYING WITH THIS NEW TIP FEE EXPENSE, YOU WANNA BE UP IN 1,000,006 RANGE. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT SETS THE FRAMEWORK. 
          AND SO REALLY TO ME, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT WAYS, UH, TO BALANCE THE NEED FOR THE TOWN TO REASONABLY RECOVER THE COST OF ITS SERVICE, UH, AND ALSO TO DO RIGHT BY YOUR RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLDS AND, AND TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT, UH, AND SO, UM, HERE ARE SOME DETAILED TABLES. 
          AGAIN, I WON'T GO INTO GREAT DETAIL READING EVERY ROW. 
          UH, BUT WE WANTED TO HAVE, JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE, THE CURRENT TIP FEE OR TIP FEE, EXCUSE ME, THE CURRENT HOUSEHOLD MONTHLY RATE, AND THEN THE JANUARY RATE UNDER BEFORE AND THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT UPDATE. 
          UM, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ON THE RESIDENTIAL SERVICE RATES, UM, YOU CAN SEE, LET'S SEE, DID I, AM I LOOKING AT THE RIGHT SLIDE? UM, OKAY, SO I I MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF A GLARE, RIGHT, WHERE I'M SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          SO, UM, SO THESE ARE THE RESIDENTIAL RATES WITH DIFFERENT, UH, SIZE CONTAINERS FOR REFUSE. 
          UM, UH, YOU CAN SEE WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT IF THERE'S A NEED TO GO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, WE, WE, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP LAST TIME, WE THINK THAT IS, UH, REASONABLE WITHIN THE INDUSTRY. 
          SO THAT, THAT DID NOT CHANGE BECAUSE THAT WASN'T A TIP FEE RELATED, THAT WAS STRICTLY A SERVICE RELATED ELEMENT THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY WASTE DISPOSAL ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY YOU CAN SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UM, WHAT THE PERCENTAGES ARE FOR YOUR RESIDENTIAL, UH, HOUSEHOLDS ON THIS SLIDE, DEPENDING ON WHAT FOLKS PICK. 
          UM, I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THIS, BUT THE ALL IN PRICE OF 22, UH, ALSO INCLUDES, UM, SOME COVERAGE OF THE DROP OFF SYSTEM HERE IN THE TOWN, WHICH IS SORT OF A TOWN BENEFIT FOR RESIDENTS TO USE IN ADDITION TO THEIR CURBSIDE PROGRAM. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK I HAVE A SLIDE THAT SAYS THAT I MIGHT BE GETTING A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF MYSELF. 
          ALRIGHT, SO I, I'M GONNA DO A DRILL DOWN ON THE COST BY 
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THE INDIVIDUAL SERVICES. 
          PLEASE NOTE THAT WE, OUR PHILOSOPHY AND, AND I BELIEVE THE, THE MATERIALS MANAGEMENT INDUSTRY DOES NOT EVER RECOMMEND THAT YOU BREAK OUT THE COST OF THE DIFFERENT COLLECTION SERVICES. 
          WE LOOK AT REFUSE RECYCLING YARD WASTE, WE LOOK AT THAT AS A PORTFOLIO OF SERVICES THAT YOU'RE DELIVERING TO YOUR RESIDENTS. 
          SO, UM, I, I WOULD NEVER WANT OR ADVISE THAT YOU WOULD THEN, YOU KNOW, PUT THESE BREAKDOWNS, UH, OUT FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT. 
          BUT WHAT I THINK IS SO INTERESTING, AND IT JUST REFLECTS THE IMPACT OF THE WARREN COUNTY TIP FEE INCREASE, UH, AS YOU'LL NOTICE THAT, UH, BEFORE BACK IN JANUARY WHEN THERE WAS ZERO TIP FEE ASSOCIATED WITH DISPOSAL OF TRASH, IT WAS THE SAME COST WHETHER YOU WERE COLLECTING A 96 GALLON OR A 32 GALLON BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DRIVE THAT TRUCK AND TIP THAT CART, DOESN'T MATTER HOW BIG THE CARD IS, AND THERE WAS NO DISPOSAL VARIABLE RATE FOR DISPOSAL. 
          SO ON THE AFTER YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACT OF, WELL, NOW YOU GOTTA PAY $40 A TON, SO NOW YOU'RE TIPPING, YOU KNOW, 96 GALLONS AND YOU'RE FILLING THAT UP AT A RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. 
          AND SO NOW YOU CAN SUDDENLY SEE THAT THE REFUSE COST IS WHAT HAS INCREASED. 
          AND YOU MIGHT NOTICE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PENNIES OF DIFFERENCE IN THE REMAINING SERVICES. 
          UM, THERE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ALLOCATION FACTOR THAT GOES ON. 
          SO, UM, FORGIVE THE PENNIES OF, OF DIFFERENTIATION ON THE RECYCLING AND THE YARD WASTE. 
          AND, AND YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, THE DROP OFF, UH, SYSTEM, UH, WHERE RESIDENTS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DROP OFF METAL AND BRUSH. 
          THAT IS NOT A CURBSIDE PROGRAM, BUT WE HAVE BUILT THAT ROUGHLY $2 AND 44 CENTS INTO THE RESIDENTIAL RATES BECAUSE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY SERVING YOUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS. 
          UH, AND SO AGAIN, FORGIVE THE PENNIES, BUT REALLY I THINK THIS HIGHLIGHTS HOW ADDING, YOU KNOW, $40 A TON TO WHAT WAS $0 A TON REALLY IMPACTS THE SERVICES THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING. 
          SO WE WANTED TO, WE WANT YOU TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION, UH, AGAIN, DROP OFF RATES. 
          UM, SO AT YOUR FACILITY, UH, LET'S SEE. 
          THERE ARE, AND GOSH, THIS IS WHERE I'M, I'M GONNA SAY, UM, I HAVE A COLLEAGUE, CYNTHIA MOORE MILE, WHO KNOWS ALL THESE NUMBERS BY HEART. 
          AND IT OCCURS TO ME AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS ONE THAT THE PREPAID, THE, UH, THE DROPOFF CENTER, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOT, UH, THERE'S SOME RATES ASSOCIATED, UH, AT THE CURRENT TIME. 
          UM, BUT THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS ESSENTIALLY THAT ARE USING YOUR, YOUR SERVICE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE CHARGE. 
          UM, AND HAD YOU TRIED TO USE SOME SORT OF A CHARGE, UM, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFICULT THING TO DO IN A, IN A DROP OFF ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE BASIS FOR INCLUDING THE COST OF THE DROP OFF SYSTEM IN THE OVERALL RESIDENTIAL RATE. 
          UH, BUT WE DID WANT TO KIND OF BREAK DOWN AND, AND PULL OUT SOME OF THE USAGE DATA. 
          NOW, THE BOTTOM TABLE THOUGH, AND I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW, IS THAT FACILITY SERVES COUNTY RESIDENTS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE, UM, THIS, THIS KIND OF GOES TO THE TOWN USED TO GET, YOU KNOW, A DEAL ON TIT FEES AND THE TOWN WAS LETTING COUNTY RESIDENTS USE TOWN DROP OFF CENTERS. 
          SO NOW THERE'S BEEN THIS SHIFT OVER TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY IS NOW IMPOSING A TIP FEE. 
          WELL, I, I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO DOCUMENT THAT THE TOWN IS PROVIDING VALUE TO THE COUNTY THAT MAY NOT BE GETTING, YOU KNOW, REIMBURSED. 
          SO THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME LEVERAGE THERE, AND I THINK YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT IS, I BELIEVE, A COMPONENT OF THE ARRANGEMENTS, UH, FOR MATERIALS MANAGEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY, SO THAT THAT ACTUALLY BECOMES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A LITTLE LARGER JUST TO HAVE THAT IN YOUR BACK POCKET. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, HERE IN THE REGION HERE WITH THE COUNTY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT FURTHER? LIKE, GIMME SOME EXAMPLES OF COUNTY, LIKE THEY DROP OFF, THEY'RE BRINGING WASTE TO OUR, THE TOWN YARD, THE COUNTY COUNTY, LIKE USING THE DUMPSTERS WE HAVE, CORRECT? LIKE IN THE PARKING LOTS, UH, ON BOTH SIDES OF MAIN STREET. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS THE TOWN YARD. 
          I'M GONNA ASK THIS HAPPENING. 
          I, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU MEANT. 
          IT WOULD BE LIKE BRUSH LEAVES, GRASS. 
          OH, THEY'RE NOT BRINGING ACTUALLY GARBAGE. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          IT'S OTHER, IT'S OTHER NON T TRUSTABLE WASTE MATERIALS. 
          CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IS, IS THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DRIVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE OR BECAUSE IS THERE NOT ANOTHER LOCATION FOR THEM TO DO THAT? THEY, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE IT THERE TO THE COUNTY TRANSFER STATION. 
          THEY HAVE TO HAVE A TOWN OR COUNTY STICKER IN ORDER TO DUMP TO BE. 
          SO MAYBE PEOPLE LIVE MORE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF COUNTY, MAYBE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BUT YEAH, AND THE SAME THING WITH THE METAL. 
          WELL, WE DON'T CHARGE ANYTHING FOR THAT. 
          OBVIOUSLY THE CHARGES, UH, CONTRACTORS, LIKE TREE CONTRACTORS THAT DUMP BASED ON SMALL TRUCK OR BIG TRUCK LOAD. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, YEAH. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR THOSE DETAILS. 
          I VERY, VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT. 
          SO WHAT A TANGLE WEB. 
          WE, WE, OKAY, SO COMING OVER TO THE COMMERCIAL DUMPSTERS, UM, UH, ON THE COMMERCIAL DUMPSTER SIDE BECAUSE, UM, COMMERCIAL WASTE ALREADY WAS INCURRING A CHARGE. 
          UM, I, I BELIEVE I'VE STATED THIS CORRECTLY, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S NOT QUITE SO SIGNIFICANT OF AN INCREASE FROM BEFORE AND AFTER, AND THAT IS BECAUSE COMMERCIAL, UH, WASTE GET, THEY'RE ALREADY, THEY WERE ALREADY PAYING A TIP FEE AND NOW THEIR TIP FEE'S GONE UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO WE WE'RE NOT SEEING THE BIG RATE IMPACT ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. 
          UH, AND 
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SO, UH, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A WHOLE BUNCH MORE TIME ON IT. 
          I DO NOTICE THAT, UH, UH, CYNTHIA, UH, MY COLLEAGUE, UM, AND, AND FRANKLY WE AT M MSS W CONSULTANTS DO J THERE ARE NOTICED A COUPLE OF NOTES AT THE BOTTOM OF SEVERAL OF THE TABLES RECOMMENDING ANNUAL, UH, CPI OR YOU KNOW, PRICE ESCALATIONS. 
          UM, WE DO THINK THAT IS WARRANTED IN OUR INDUSTRY. 
          UM, THE COST OF MATERIAL SUPPLIES, LABOR, UH, THAT IS ALL GOING UP. 
          UH, AND, AND, UH, WHETHER YOU'RE PUBLIC SECTOR WITH YOUR PRIVATE SECTOR, UH, WE DO BELIEVE IT IS CUSTOMARY TO ALLOW SOME GREAT ESCALATION IN THIS SERVICE AS WITH ANY UTILITY SERVICE. 
          AND, UH, AND SO WE, WE JUST HAVE ESSENTIALLY PUT BEFORE YOU THE NOTION THAT, UM, ONCE THE TOWN MAKES A DECISION ABOUT HOW TO KIND OF COVER THAT BIG GAP THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, HOW TO THEN HAVE SORT OF MAINTENANCE RATE ESCALATIONS GOING FORWARD. 
          SO I JUST, I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT, 'CAUSE I, I'VE SEEN IT ON A COUPLE BOTTOM OF A COUPLE OF OUR SLIDES AND I HAVEN'T MENTIONED IT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY THAT IS THERE. 
          SO I, I GUESS I'LL TAKE A PAUSE. 
          UM, AGAIN, BEFORE I GO INTO THE, SOME OF THE MAIN STREET ISSUES, UM, IN SOME REGARDS, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE MATH STANDPOINT, THE TIP FEE INCREASE AND UPDATING THE BUDGETARY DATA, THAT WAS MOSTLY A MATHEMATICAL EXERCISE. 
          UM, AND I THINK WE WANNA JUST MAKE SURE YOU HAD ALL OF THE NEW RATES AND THE NEW PERCENTAGE INCREASES, UH, AND CONSIDER HOW TO DO THAT. 
          UM, I DON'T ENVY YOU, SIR. 
          I I DON'T ENVY YOU. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY BEING IN A POSITION TO OH, MAYBE , UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO, HAVING TO DEAL WITH WITH THAT SORT OF SURPRISE. 
          SO, UM, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          SO YOU, YOU DO THESE COST OF SERVICE STUDIES FOR OTHER LOCALITIES AND STUFF. 
          AND SO, SO IN SIMPLISTIC TERMS, THE WAY THAT I SEE THIS IS IF YOU LIVED IN THE COUNTY AND YOU WANTED TO TAKE YOUR RESIDENTIAL TRASH TO THE TRANSFER STATION, YOU COME IN, YOU DUMP IT, NO, NO, NO COST, RIGHT? IF YOU LIVE IN THE TOWN, SOMEBODY ELSE IS COLLECTING THAT TRASH FOR YOU AND TAKING IT TO THE TRANSFER STATION. 
          IF YOU NO DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU LIVED IN THE COUNTY AND YOUR NEIGHBORS SAID, I'LL TAKE YOUR TRASH FOR YOU, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          RIGHT? BUT IN, IN OUR, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH US IS THE TOWN'S RESIDENTIAL TRASH IS BEING TRANSPORTED TO THE TRANSFER STATION BY OUR STAFF. 
          UM, IS THAT COMMON IN OTHER PLACES FOR THERE TO, FOR, BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, THE TRANSFER STATION IS BEING FUNDED BY COUNTY TAX DOLLARS AND WE ALSO PAY THOSE. 
          SO IS THAT, I MEAN, DOES THAT HAPPEN IN OTHER PLACES? I, I NEED TO MAKE SURE I HAVE MY TERMS AND YOUR TERMS ALIGN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND I MAY EVEN ASK FOR HELP, UH, FROM, UH, FROM STAFF. 
          SO THE, WHEN YOU SAY TRANSFER STATION, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE TOWN CONVENIENCE CENTER? NO. 
          COUNTY, I CALL IT DUMP, BUT NOW THEY CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE. 
          WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, HE CALLED IT THE LANDFILL. 
          THAT TRANSFER, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? THE TRANSFER STATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE CALL IT. 
          BUT IT GOES THERE, THEN IT GETS TRUCK TO PAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I'M SAYING, SO SO THAT FACILITY AND THE STAFF THAT WORK THERE ARE BEING FUNDED BY COUNTY TAXPAYER DOLLARS, CORRECT? THE TRANSFER STATION? YEAH, THE TRANSFER STATION. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          SO EVERYBODY IN THIS GROUP THAT, THAT LIVES IN THE TOWN ALSO PAYS THE SAME AMOUNT TOWARDS THOSE EXPENSES AS THE COUNTY CITIZENS DO. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT A COUNTY CITIZEN WHO DROPS THEIR, UH, RESIDENTIAL TRASH OFF AT THE TRANSPORTATION DUMP LANDFILL, WHEREVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, THERE'S NO FEE TO THEM. 
          RIGHT? UM, I ACTUALLY DO NOT KNOW THAT UNLESS, OKAY. 
          UM, I, I MIGHT, SO IS, IS IT TRUE THEN THAT IF YOU ARE A COUNTY UNINCORPORATED RESIDENT, YOU CAN STILL HAVE YOUR RESIDENTIAL TRASH DROPPED OFF AT THE TRANSFER STATION? IF YOU PAY LIKE A PR LIKE, LIKE I KNOW THERE ARE COMPANIES OUT THERE OR THERE ARE PEOPLE, BUT THAT'S THEIR SMALL BUSINESS. 
          THEY PICK UP OTHER PEOPLE'S RESIDENTIAL TRASH AND THERE'S NO FEE FOR THEIR, AND THERE'S NO FEE FOR, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF COMPANY, MAYBE THEY DO. 
          WE LOOKED UP, UP TO LESS THAN A TON. 
          THERE WAS NO FEE. 
          I THINK IT'S WHAT WAS ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE, I BELIEVE, JOHN. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THE COMMENT THOUGH ABOUT IS IT CUSTOMARY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, IT IS NEVER CUSTOMARY FOR ANY CUSTOMER TO NOT PAY A DISPOSAL FEE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THE REASON I'M, I'M, I'M HESITANT IS BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT MECHANISMS THAT COUNTIES HAVE TO RECOVER REVENUE THAT CAN COVER THEIR SOLID WASTE SYSTEM THAT ARE OTHER, OTHER THAN A TIP FEE. 
          I THINK WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IF YOU LIVE IN TOWN, YOU'RE PAYING DISCLOSE YOUR TRASH TWICE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          I, I THINK TO, TO TRULY ANSWER THAT QUESTION WOULD REQUIRE, 
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UH, SOME KNOWLEDGE AND SOME DIGGING INTO HOW THE COUNTY IS RECOVERING THEIR REVENUES FROM DIFFERENT CUSTOMER CLASSES, I BELIEVE. 
          WHICH I DON'T KNOW. 
          I BELIEVE MAYOR COPPER WAS JUST WONDERING IF IN YOUR INDUSTRY YOU SEE THAT OTHER LOCALITIES ARE CHARGING THE TOWN, WHICH WE'RE DIFFERENT THAN A CITY VERSUS THE COUNTY. 
          SO I CAN TAKE, INSTEAD OF PAYING THE TOWN $19 A MONTH FOR MY TRASH SERVICE, I CAN JUST LOAD IT IN MY VEHICLE AND TAKE IT THERE FOR FREE. 
          THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. 
          HERE. 
          I CAN TAKE MY TRASH TO THE LANDFILL FOR FREE OR THEIR CONVENIENCE SITE. 
          YEAH. 
          OR ONE OF THEIR CONVENIENCE SITES, WHICH THEY'RE, THEY'RE, I CAN TAKE IT TO THE COUNTY. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THE TOWN. 
          BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          IN OUR SITUATION, LIKE SHE SAID, WE, WE, WE, WE ARE BOTH COUNTY RESIDENTS AND TOWN RESIDENTS. 
          WE BOTH COUNTY TAX AND TOWN TAX. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT SHE'S GETTING AT, I THINK WHAT SHE'S GETTING AT IS THAT WE'RE ESSENTIALLY THE TOWN IS, AS WE AS TOWN RESIDENTS ARE BEING CHARGED A TIPPING FEE. 
          OKAY. 
          IS WHAT'S THE REASONING FOR THAT COMPARED TO EVERYBODY ELSE BEING CHARGED A TIPPING FEE? BECAUSE WHAT COUNTY RESIDENTS AS WELL. 
          RIGHT? WELL I WAS WONDERING IF THAT, IS THAT NORMAL FOR OTHER LOCAL YEAH, THAT'S IT. 
          IT IT IS, IT IS NORMAL. 
          SO I I WOULD SAY GENERALLY IT IS NOT UNCOMMON TO HAVE, UH, A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY OPERATING A FACILITY HAVE DIFFERENT RATES FOR OTHER INCORPORATED, AND FORGIVE ME, 'CAUSE I I PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THE TOWN DIFFERENT FROM A CITY, DIFFERENT FROM A COUNTY IN VIRGINIA THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT STATES. 
          WELL, YEAH, IT'S BESIDES, BUT IT IS NOT UNCOMMON TO HAVE DIFFERENT RATES. 
          BUT TYPICALLY WHEN THAT IS THE CASE UNDERLYING THOSE DIFFERENCES, THERE IS A RATIONAL BASIS FOR WHY THEY'RE DIFFERENT. 
          AND THERE'S A FOCUS ON HAVING, UH, ESSENTIALLY EQUAL EQUAL SERVICE CHARGES WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, WHEN YOU CAN COMPILE ALL THE DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCES, THEY SHOULD GENERALLY BE EQUAL. 
          UM, THEY SHOULD NOT SORT OF, YOU SHOULD NOT FIND OUT THAT THERE'S SOME SUBSIDIZATION OF ONE SET OF CUSTOMERS OVER ANOTHER WITHOUT SOME KIND OF REASON OR THAT YOU'VE AT LEAST BEEN INFORMED BY IT. 
          I WOULD SAY, AND FORGIVE ME, BECAUSE I I HAVE NOT DELVED INTO THE, THE COUNTY SIDE THAT ANSWERS IT, BUT THAT THE COUNTY IS SUBSIDIZING THIS BY CHARGING THE TOWN AVERAGE OF THE 20. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WHEN THIS FIRST CAME ABOUT IN MY MIND, AND I, I ADMIT THIS IS SIMPLE THINKING, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO LIVE IN THE COUNTY MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEY TAKE THEIR TRASH AND THEY DUMP IT OFF AT ONE OF THE CONVENIENCE SITES, PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUT MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, ON THE, A DIFFERENT END OF THE COUNTY, LIKE TAKE IT STRAIGHT TO THE TRANSFER STATION, THEY PULL UP, THEY DUMP IT OFF, THERE'S NO FEE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT BECAUSE SOME, BECAUSE I LIVE IN TOWN AND UM, OUR STAFF AND OUR EQUIPMENT PICKS UP THE TRASH FOR ME, SAVING ME FROM HAVING TO GO OUT THERE AND DUMP IT OUT MYSELF, I'M ACTUALLY PAYING MORE TO HAVE MY TRASH RIGHT. 
          REMOVED AS A RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER RESIDENT, THAT'S ALL. 
          I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND HOW THAT IT IS FAIR. 
          I GET THAT. 
          I WATCHED THE PRESENTATION, I WATCHED THE PRESENTATION, I EVEN HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTS I SHARE WITH MR. WA WHERE I SAW THE, THE, THE REVENUE AND HOW THEY WERE LOSING MONEY. 
          AND I, AND I GET ALL OF THAT. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW THIS WORKS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE HAVE ONE CONVENIENCE SITE IN THE TOWN AND I WOULDN'T REALLY CALL IT IN THE TOWN 'CAUSE IT'S OUT ON 5 22. 
          YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS HERE BY THE PARKING LOT. 
          SO IF THE TOWN DID NOT PICK UP RESIDENTIAL TRASH AND WE HAD TO GO TO A CONVENIENCE SITE, THE FUR, THEY WOULD ALL BE BASICALLY OUT OF TOWN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO REALLY IN MY MIND, YEAH, WE ARE PROVIDING A SERVICE THAT ACTUALLY KEEPS OUR, KEEPS OUR TOWN, YOU KNOW, TRASH FREE, DEBRIS FREE. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO CONVENIENCE SITES IN TOWN. 
          I MEAN, I'M MAYBE, MAYBE OTHER JURISDICTIONS IN OTHER STATES, MAYBE THEY HAVE CONVENIENCE SITES ALL OVER, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          I THINK THE THING TO THINK ABOUT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS IS IF EVERY RESIDENCE IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL STOPPED USING THE FRONT ROYAL TRANSFER SERVICE, WE COULD ALL TAKE OUR TRASH FOR FREE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I WOULDN'T PAY ANYTHING. 
          LIKE I, THE TOWN AND COUNTY DO NOT PAY ANYTHING TO GO DUMP STUFF THERE. 
          BUT THE TOWN PAYS TOWN AND COUNTY TAX DOLLARS AND ONLY THE TOWN IS GONNA BE CHARGED. 
          YEAH, NO, I, I I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMIC AND I, FORGIVE ME, I, I'M JUST NOT EQUIPPED. 
          IT'S SUBSIDIZE, I'M NOT EQUIPPED TO REALLY ANSWER WHY, BECAUSE I ONLY KNOW THE TOWN HALF, BUT NOT THE COUNTY HALF. 
          BUT I REALLY WASN'T LOOKING FOR THE WHY I WAS LOOKING FOR IS IT CON IS IS THIS HOW IT IS IN OTHER LOCALITIES? IT IS, IT IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR, UM, COUNTIES TO HAVE DIFFERENT, UM, REVENUE COMBINATIONS OR REVENUE MECHANISMS AT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT RATES ON THE SURFACE. 
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BUT IF YOU DIG INTO IT, USUALLY THERE IS A, UM, AND THIS IS JUST A, A RATE SETTING PRINCIPLE. 
          USUALLY THERE IS A RATIONAL NEXUS, UH, THAT WOULD EXPLAIN WHY IT WOULD EXPLAIN THE SITUATION. 
          WHEREAS IF YOU DUG INTO IT AND, YOU KNOW, DID YOUR ACCOUNTING AND LOOKED AT THEIR BOOKS AND LOOKED AT THE ACCOUNT BOOKS, YOU'D SEE THAT THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME. 
          THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE RECOVERING IT DIFFERENTLY. 
          THE COUNTY RECOVERS IT THROUGH TAXES AND YOU KNOW, AND THEN THEY'RE RECOVERING YOUR, YOUR PART THROUGH TIP FEES. 
          BUT THERE MAY BE SOMETHING RATIONAL THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          SO , YOU JUST SAID THEY'RE RECOVERING IT TIP FEES, BUT ANYWAY, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL QUESTION WAS JUST KINDA ASKING YOU IN YOUR, IN YOUR, UM, YEAH, AND, AND I THINK I'M, I'M SPECULATING AND PLEASE I WOULD ASK PROBABLY, UH, ROBBIE TO HELP ME OUT IS IN THE COUNTY, DOES THE COUNTY HAVE CURBSIDE COLLECTION FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS OR TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY COUNTY THEMSELVES DON'T, THERE'S, SO PROBABLY IF YOU LIVE IN THE COUNTY, UNINCORPORATED AREA OUTSIDE THE TOWN, YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO PAY EXTRA TO HIRE A PRIVATE HAULER TO COME GIVE YOU SERVICE. 
          PROBABLY THAT PRIVATE HAULER IS, I WOULD ASSUME PAYING TIP FEES. 
          OH MY, AT THE COUNTY TRANSFER STATION. 
          I, I, I DO BELIEVE YES. 
          I WOULD THINK, I DON'T KNOW, BUT AS LONG AS IT'S NOT, IF, IF IT'S OVER A THOUSAND PROBABLY TO SIT OVER THAT BE RESIDENTIAL, THEY'RE DOING AS A BUSINESS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY IT, THEN THEY PAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IN SOME REGARDS, WHAT I THINK I'M PIECING TOGETHER AND, AND THANK YOU FOR KIND OF TALKING THROUGH THIS, IS IT DOES SOUND LIKE THE COUNTY HAS MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO LET THE SMALL FOLKS WILLING TO SELL FALL AVOID SOME EXPENSE OF MANAGING THEIR WASTE BY DROPPING IT OFF FOR FREE. 
          BUT IF YOU WANT THE CURBSIDE LEVEL OF SERVICE IN THE COUNTY, YOU'RE PAYING A PRIVATE HAULER WHO'S THEN PAYING TIP FEES, SAME AS THE TOWN. 
          I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHETHER THAT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT. 
          I I WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO DIG INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          I FEEL LIKE I'M GETTING OFF A LITTLE BIT OF A TANGENT, BUT NO, YOU ACTUALLY, WE WANTED TO GET OFF ON THIS TANGENT. 
          YOU, YOU'RE FINE. 
          HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES SOME, SOME PERSPECTIVE THOUGH THAT IT IS NOT UNCOMMON TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT HARD TO CONFIRM WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          BUT IT, I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE TO TAKE THE STEPS TO CONFIRM THAT, THAT YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE SUB SUBSIDIZATION IS OCCURRING. 
          AND ARE THERE ANY, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE ANY KIND OF DISCREPANCIES IN THE THOUGHT PROCESS THERE? I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT FAIR TO EVERYBODY? UH, OR ARE THERE SOME AREAS WHERE MAYBE THERE'S SOME GRAY AREA? I THINK THOSE ARE TOTALLY VALID QUESTIONS FOR YOU TO BE ASKING AS, UH, YOU KNOW, AS THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE TOWN. 
          VERY WELL. 
          UM, I'M GONNA NOW CUT OVER THAT. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR, UH, ALWAYS INTERESTING. 
          UM, I'M GONNA CUT OVER TO MAIN STREET. 
          UM, I THINK WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST TIME, WE HAD REALIZED THAT UH, ALTHOUGH THE MAJORITY OF THE EXPENSE TO PROVIDE SANITATION SERVICES IN THE TOWN ARE FOCUSED ON YOUR RESIDENTIAL SECTOR, UM, YOU HAVE A MAIN STREET AREA THAT HAS A LOT OF SHARED SERVICES, A LOT OF MIXED USE PROPERTIES AND BUILDINGS AND PARCELS. 
          UH, YOU HAVE FOOT TRAFFIC, UH, WITH LITTER, SOME SORT OF LITTER BASKET AREAS AND, AND SOME SHARED DUMPSTERS. 
          SO, UM, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY SINCE, UH, THE JANUARY TIMEFRAME, UH, TO PREPARE, UH, SOME INFORMATION AND TO RECRUIT AND ENCOURAGE FOLKS FROM, UH, THE MAIN STREET AREA TO COME OUT. 
          UH, WE HAD SOME STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, WHICH, UH, BY THE WAY, I, I I WOULD SAY THE ATTENDANCE AT THOSE MEETINGS WAS NOT REALLY HIGH, BUT THE THOUGHTFULNESS OF QUESTIONS WAS VERY GOOD. 
          THE FOLKS, THE FOLKS WHO ARRIVED WERE THOUGHTFUL, UH, OPEN-MINDED, LISTENED. 
          I, I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO LISTEN TO THEM. 
          SO, SO I FOUND THAT TO BE A, A REALLY, UH, I, I'VE HAD SOME UNPLEASANT STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS, SO IT WAS JUST NICE TO HAVE KIND OF A CONSTRUCTIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AND CONVERSATIONS. 
          UH, AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, WHAT I THINK TO SUMMARIZE THOSE MEETINGS, UM, TO THE CREDIT OF THE MAIN STREET STAKEHOLDERS WHO ARRIVED, I THINK WE HEARD CONSENSUS THAT SURE, THE TOWN SHOULD BE CHARGING US TO COVER SANITATION SERVICES IN THE MAIN STREET AREA. 
          THERE, THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS NO PUSHBACK ON THE CONCEPT OF, HEY, THE TOWN'S PROVIDING A VITAL SERVICE TO KEEP THE MAIN STREET AREA CLEAN AND FREE OF DEBRIS AND, YOU KNOW, TO REMOVE OUR TRASH FROM, AND WE HAVE A MIX OF BUSINESSES. 
          UM, THE HARD PART WAS TRYING TO WORK OUR WAY INTO A WAY TO RECOVER REVENUES FROM THESE DIFFERENT, UH, MIXED USE PARCELS. 
          AND SO, UH, SO BASED ON A COMBINATION OF LOOKING AT, AT THE TOWN, THE UTILITY BILLING CAPABILITY, LOOKING AT THE TAX PARCEL DATABASE AND, AND HONESTLY JUST A LOT OF COLLABORATION WITH STAFF TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESSES. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE ARRIVED AT A, ESSENTIALLY A RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR HOW TO RECOVER THE COST OF KEEPING MAIN STREET CLEAN AND FREE OF TRASH AND HOW TO EMPTY THOSE CONTAINERS. 
          ARE THERE SHARED DUMPSTERS? AND, AND THE ELEMENTS, UH, AS SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE ARE YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS DOWN ON MAIN STREET. 
          AND I, I THINK FUNDAMENTALLY A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT GENERALLY IS GENERATING THE SAME AMOUNT OF STUFF, WHETHER IT'S DOWNTOWN OR IN THE SUBURBS OR MIDWAY BETWEEN AND SORT OF A RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLD HAS A RESIDENTIAL SERVICE LEVEL. 
          AND SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WHATEVER YOUR ULTIMATE RATE IS FOR YOUR RESIDENTIAL CURBSIDE SERVICE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT SAME RATE BE, UH, BE 
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APPLIED TO RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS IN THE MAIN STREET AREA. 
          UH, AND SO THAT'S THE RESIDENTIAL SECTOR. 
          ON THE NON-RESIDENTIAL SIDE, UM, WHAT WE REALIZE IS THERE'S SOME SIZE DIFFERENTIATIONS AND THEN THERE ARE SOME FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE FOOD SERVICE BUSINESS AND FOOD IS DENSE AND HEAVY AND IT MAKES PAPER WET. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SO THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A SIZE DIFFERENTIATE DIFFERENTIATOR, AND THEN THERE'S A, A FOOD WASTE DENSITY GEN, UH, DIFFERENTIATOR. 
          AND SO WE, UH, LOOKING AT THE DATA, WE ARRIVED AT A RECOMMENDATION OF THREE DIFFERENT, UH, COMMERCIAL RATE CLASSES FOR BASICALLY A VERY SMALL BUSINESS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IS ROUGHLY DOUBLE A RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, UH, THAT, THAT WAS OUR SMALL BUSINESS. 
          UH, AND SO THEN WE HAVE MEDIUM BUSINESS, BUT SMALL FOOD SERVICE GENERATOR. 
          'CAUSE NOW YOU'RE GETTING SOME SIZE FOR A, A NON-FOOD GENERATING BUSINESS AND YOU'RE GETTING SOME FOOD FOR MAYBE SMALLER BUSINESSES. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT NUMBER GOES UP BY ROUGHLY A FACTOR OF, UH, THREE, TWO AND A HALF, THREE. 
          UH, AND THEN ESSENTIALLY, UM, THERE WAS SOME, I THINK CONSENSUS OF SOME, YOU KNOW, A FAIRLY SMALL NUMBER OF LARGE BUSINESSES OR KIND OF FULL SERVICE RESTAURANTS. 
          UH, AND SO THAT'S OUR CLASS THREE CUSTOMER, UH, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. 
          YOU CAN SEE A RATE THERE. 
          I DON'T RECALL IF WE'LL HAVE MY NEXT SLIDE, BUT WE ACTUALLY ALSO LOOKED AT THESE RATES FOR THESE CUSTOMER CLASSES DOWNTOWN AND UH, UM, UH, COMPARED THOSE TO SIMILAR STANDALONE RATES THAT LIKE A RESTAURANT MIGHT GET IF IT HAD TO PUT AN EIGHT YARD DUMPSTER THAT WAS STANDALONE. 
          SO WE, WE TRIED TO BOTH DO THE MATH, LOOK AT THE PARCEL DATA AND VALIDATE OUR FINDINGS AGAINST OTHER WASTE INDUSTRY, UH, SERVICE LEVEL STANDARDS. 
          AND SO, UH, THIS, UH, THIS MATRIX IS INTENDED TO, UM, GIVE ENOUGH DEFINITION OF DIFFERENT CLASSES OF BUSINESS. 
          IT'S INTENDED TO CALL OUT THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT. 
          AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UM, WE ALL, I THINK WE, AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH, WE BECAME AWARE THAT THERE MAY OCCASIONALLY NEED TO BE AN EXCEPTION. 
          AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO ALSO ALLOW FOR EXCEPTIONS ON A VERY LIMITED BASIS. 
          THE LAST THING YOU WANNA DO IS HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF EXCEPTIONS. 
          UM, BUT WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT WE COULD COLLECTIVELY BE SO TIGHT IN THESE DEFINITIONS THAT WE COULDN'T AT LEAST ALLOW FOR AN EXCEPTION POTENTIALLY. 
          UH, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF A BUSINESS MOVES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND THEY CAN FIND, THEY CAN ACTUALLY BE SERVED AS AN INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS AND PROVE THAT ONLY THEIR EMPLOYEES AND CUSTOMERS ARE USING THIS CONTAINER, THEY WOULD GET AN EXCEPTION AND JUST PAY THE ACTUAL SERVICE RATE FOR THEIR CONTAINER. 
          THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF AN EXCEPTION THAT MIGHT BE GRANTED. 
          AND SO WE ARE HERE TO HAVING GIVEN THAT BACKGROUND, UM, UH, WE ARE INTERESTED IN YOUR DISCUSSION. 
          UH, AND, AND AGAIN, WE'LL COME BACK INTO HOW THIS WORKS, BUT THE IDEA, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE PUT A SLIDE TOGETHER, LEMME JUST JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          I WANT TO GO BACK. 
          UH, WE DID NOT, BUT IF YOU'LL RECALL, UH, THERE WAS ABOUT, UH, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT A $90,000 FULL COST TO SERVICE THE MAIN STREET AREA. 
          AND THE CURRENT REVENUE RECOVERY WAS, WAS VERY LOW IN THE 15,000 RANGE. 
          SO WE'RE, WE WERE TRYING TO CLOSE, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY A $75,000 REVENUE SHORTFALL FOR AN IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, ANCHOR AREA UP FRONT, ROYAL, UH, TRYING TO KEEP THAT CLEAN. 
          AND SO THESE RATES WILL GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS DOING THAT. 
          I DO WANT TO CALL OUT THAT, UM, THE INTENT. 
          UH, WE ALSO TRIED TO TALK WITH STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT THE REVENUE MECHANISM. 
          UM, WE LOOKED AT TRYING TO PIGGYBACK ON THE PROPERTY TAX APPRAISAL AND TAX COLLECTION PROCESS. 
          WE ULTIMATELY, UM, UH, BELIEVE THIS, THIS WILL BE A UTILITY BILLING RECOVERY. 
          SO SAME AS WHAT THE TOWN IS CURRENTLY DOING. 
          UM, AND IT'S, IT, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME PARCELS THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY BEING CAPTURED. 
          AND I THINK THERE WILL BE A TIMEFRAME WHERE, UM, AS, AS THIS, YOU KNOW, SHOULD YOU ADOPT THESE RATES AND SHOULD YOU ASK YOUR MAIN STREET BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS TO COVER THEIR COST, THERE ARE SOME FOLKS THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO BILL YET. 
          UH, THAT WILL TAKE SOME TIME HOPEFULLY TO COME IN AND, AND BE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE UTILITY BILLING SYSTEM AND BE ADDED. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA RECOVER THAT WHOLE SHORTFALL RIGHT AWAY. 
          UM, BUT ALL INDICATIONS WERE THAT YOUR MAIN STREET RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES, THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A CRITICAL SERVICE, THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. 
          AND SO GOING THE UTILITY ROUTE, HOPEFULLY OVER A FEW YEARS, BRINGING FOLKS IN THAT AREN'T CURRENT, DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE WATER METERS, YOU'RE GONNA GET OUTTA THE WATER METER BUILDING BASIS POTENTIALLY. 
          UM, BUT THIS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE DIRECTION THAT, UH, THAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU TODAY. 
          WHAT WERE THEY PAYING? OH, UM, I MEAN, I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE IN OTHER SLIDES IT WAS LIKE, FROM THIS TO THIS, WHAT, WHAT WERE THEY? $26, UH, TO THE COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? $26. 
          $26 A MONTH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE HAD A, JUST SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING UP TO 4 25 IS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE. 
          SIGNIFICANT USER. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO WE ALREADY HAVE A CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM. 
          UH, NO, NO, WE DIDN'T. 
          THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, WE ESSENTIALLY THE CURRENT FLAT RATE OF 2020 $6, GOSH, I DON'T REMEMBER, $26 PER BUSINESS WOULD APPLY WHETHER YOU WERE 
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A LITTLE TINY JEWELRY SHOP OR WHETHER YOU WERE A RESTAURANT BAR. 
          YOU PAID $26 NO MATTER WHAT. 
          SO NOW WHO THEN, WHO MAKES THAT DECISION NOW? HOW, HOW ARE WE MAKING THAT DECISION? WE SELF-IDENTIFY. 
          WELL, CURRENT, CURRENTLY WE'RE NOT REALLY IDENTIFYING, THEY'RE ALL JUST BEING CHARGED WITH IT. 
          20 NO, I'M SAYING WITH, IF WE GO THIS SYSTEM, LIKE WHO, WHO'S GONNA, HOW DO WE KNOW WHO'S GONNA BE CLASS ONE, CLASS TWO, CLASS THREE STAFF WOULD, THE ORDINANCE READS THE TOWN MANAGER OR DESIGNEE, BUT ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE, UH, THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKERS AS LONG AS JUDGE OKAY. 
          WITH IT WOULD MAKE THE DETERMIN LIKE ARE YOU DETERMINING BY THEIR JUST THE NATURE OF THEIR BUSINESS OR BY THEIR REVENUE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS? THERE'S DEFINITIONS OF THE DIFFERENT CLASSES IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND IT, IT LAYS OUT WHICH, UH, HOW, WHAT THE CLASSIFICATIONS ARE AND WHAT, UM, WHAT THE CRITERIA IS FOR EACH CLASS. 
          BUT IT'S BASED ON THE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, CLASS TWO HERE, A NON-RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER GENERATING QUANTITIES OF SOLID WASTE ESTIMATE TO BE EQUAL TO 30, UH, 33 AND ONE THIRD PERCENT, BUT LESS THAN 66 AND TWO THIRD PERCENT OF, UH, OF THE QUANTITY OF SOLID WASTE GENERATED BY THE REMAINDER OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS SERVING FOOD OR BEVERAGE. 
          SO THERE'S DEFINITIONS IN THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          AND, AND THANK YOU. 
          'CAUSE, BUT SO BEHIND THIS SUMMARY TABLE AND RECOMMENDATION, UM, WE WORK WITH STAFF TO TRY TO, UH, WRITE AN ORDINANCE THAT DEFINES THESE TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. 
          UM, I WOULD, I, I WOULDN'T LOOK ANY OF YOU IN THE EYE AND SAY THAT OUR DEFINITIONS ARE IRONCLAD AND A HUNDRED OUT OF A HUNDRED CASES ARE GONNA FIT EXACTLY INTO OUR DEFINITIONS. 
          IT IS THE NATURE OF OUR BUSINESS WHEN YOU HAVE SHARED CONTAINERS, UH, AND WHEN YOU CAN'T PERFECTLY MEASURE THE GENERATION FROM FIVE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES IN A MIXED USE BUILDING WITH, YOU KNOW, SIX RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS AND FIVE BUSINESSES, ALL THE MIXED USE, THERE IS NOT A WAY TO COST EFFECTIVELY MEASURE THE GENERATION, UH, AT THAT LEVEL. 
          SO, SO THERE IS A LITTLE GRAY AREA, UH, BUT WE DO HAVE PRECEDENT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES, UH, AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED THESE SYSTEMS. AND ACTUALLY THIS NOTION OF HAVING A CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT WITH SHARED SERVICES IS MORE COMMON THAN YOU MIGHT THINK. 
          UH, SO WE PROBABLY HAVE, WE'VE PROBABLY DONE, UH, MORE THAN HALF A DOZEN, MAYBE NOT QUITE A DOZEN CITIES WHERE WE'VE DONE RATE STUDIES AND THERE'S A CENTRAL, CENTRAL BUSINESS. 
          THEY, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT TERMS. SO YOU'RE MAIN STREET, THERE'S CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, THERE'S THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. 
          UM, BUT THIS IS A, THIS IS A COMMON AND CHALLENGING ELEMENT FOR, UH, COMMUNITIES WITH AN URBAN CENTER THAT SORT OF HAVE LEGACY BUILDINGS THAT YOU, MAYBE THEY WERE BUILT 50 OR A HUNDRED YEARS AGO FOR ONE USE AND NOW THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN TURNED INTO MIXED USE AND, UH, THERE'S LIMITED SPACE. 
          AND SO SHARED CONTAINERS ARE NECESSARY. 
          SO THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT COMES UP AND WE HAVE DRAWN FROM WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE, UM, REASONABLE PRACTICES THAT HAVE PASSED MUSTER FROM A, A RATE RATIONALITY BASIS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, DO, DO THEY HAVE THE OPPORT, I'M JUST ASKING, UM, DO THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OPT OUT OF THIS AND HIRE SOMEBODY PRIVATELY IF THEY THINK THEY CAN DO IT CHEAPER? OR IS THIS JUST IF YOU'RE I'M NOT SAYING THEY CAN. 
          YES. 
          UH, THERE IS THE EXCEPTION THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE EXCEPTION IS FOR MM-HMM. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULD HAVE TO GIVE US A, SOME SORT OF CONTRACT SHOWING, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ELSE IS PICKING IT UP, BUT A LOT OF BUSINESSES ON MAIN STREET DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY JUST TO PROPERTY LIMITATIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. 
          RESIDENTIAL CANNOT, MM-HMM. 
          UM, IF THEY HAVE A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR, THEY CAN, SO A LOT OF THEM DON'T HAVE A RIGHT. 
          NO, I JUST WAS CURIOUS IN CASE ANYBODY WAS, I MEAN, YEAH, I, I THINK ANOTHER, ANOTHER CONSIDERATION THOUGH ABOUT HIRING A PRIVATE ENTITY TO COME IN, UM, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO HIRE A PRIVATE ENTITY UNLESS YOU CAN CLEARLY DEFINE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IN THE CUSTOMER. 
          SO THE MOMENT YOU TRY TO BRING IN A PRIVATE HAULER, THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO LIFT A DUMPSTER X NUMBER OF TIMES A WEEK AND MAYBE THEY'LL BE WILLING TO CLEAN UP AROUND IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. 
          BUT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO DICTATE THE PRICE. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA CARE ABOUT WHETHER IT'S AN EXCUSE, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY SERVICE LEVEL ORIENTED AND PROBABLY, UM, IN OUR EXPERIENCE, IT'S HARD TO MEET THE NEEDS IN A DOWNTOWN AREA, UH, WITH A PRIVATE HAULER, UM, YOU KNOW, WHO'S THERE TO DO THEIR CONTRACT AS CHEAPLY AS POSSIBLE. 
          WHEREAS YOUR TOWN, YOU KNOW, YOUR TOWN SERVICE DEPARTMENT IS HERE TO MAKE THAT A GOOD PLACE TO GO AND TAKE GOOD CARE OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA. 
          SO, UH, SO WE, WE ACTUALLY FEEL THAT THAT'S A, A BENEFIT, FRANKLY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          ONE, ONE QUESTION. 
          THIS IS BASED ON WEEKLY SERVICE. 
          UM, SO THESE ARE, UM, IT'S A MONTHLY RATE, THESE ARE MONTHLY RATES. 
          AND IS THAT BEING SERVICED ONCE A WEEK, JUST LIKE A RESIDENTIAL ACTUALLY, UM, THREE TIMES? NO, IT'S GONNA BE MULTIPLE SERVICE LEVELS. 
          AND, AND ACTUALLY ROBBIE'S FLASHED ME THE THREE, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT, I KNOW IT'S MORE THAN SEVERAL, UH, BUT I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, ISN'T THERE AN AREA WHERE YOU'VE HAD TO GO OUT EVEN MORE THAN THREE DAYS A WEEK JUST FOR A VERY SMALL SUBSET JUST TO KEEP THE CONTAINERS EMPTY? SO PAIN STREET'S AT LEAST THREE TIMES A WEEK EVERY MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, AND FRIDAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO 
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THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          BUT, UH, BUT ESSENTIALLY THIS IS THE ALL, IF YOU COULD RECOVER THESE ALL IN RATES REASONABLY FROM BUSINESSES AS DELINEATED BY SIZE AND BY THE AMOUNT OF FOOD WASTE THEY'RE GENERATING, THEN YOU, YOU WOULD FILL THAT GAP AND PROVIDE A VALUABLE SERVICE FOR THE WHOLE MAIN STREET AREA. 
          AND WHAT WE THINK IS A, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A REASONABLY, UH, REASONABLE FAIR WAY. 
          IS IT PERFECT OUTTA THE PENNY? NO. 
          BUT IS IT REASONABLE IN TERMS OF ASSIGNING THE EXPENSE OF THE SYSTEM TO THE FOLKS GENERATING THE MOST WASTE? WE THINK IT IS. 
          AND WE THINK THERE'S PRECEDENT TO DO THIS. 
          AND, AND THAT'S HOW WE ARRIVED AT, AT THIS SUMMARY TABLE. 
          SO, ALRIGHT, SO PRIVATIZATIONS, UM, WE, I BELIEVE WE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THE NOTION OF PRIVATIZING IN JANUARY, BUT BECAUSE OF THE DYNAMIC WITH, UH, WARREN COUNTY, UM, UH, ADDING THE $40 PER TON, YOU KNOW, NOW YOUR, YOUR RATES ARE GOING UP. 
          AND SO ANYTIME IN OUR EXPERIENCE YOU GET, UH, PUBLIC SECTOR RATES, UH, YOU KNOW, GEE, WE HAVE TO RAISE OUR RATES. 
          OH SHOOT, IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW, LET'S PRIVATIZE IT. 
          IT'S KIND OF A, IN SOME REGARDS, I THINK A NATURAL REACTION AND I THINK, UM, THERE CAN BE SOME BENEFITS. 
          SO THAT SAID, THOUGH, I'D LIKE TO REVISIT PRIVATIZATION AND, AND SHARE SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF THE OBSERVATIONS THAT WE CAN MAKE HAVING LOOKED, UH, DEEPLY BOTH AT PUBLIC SECTOR AND PRIVATE SECTOR SERVICES. 
          AND, AND THE COMMENT THAT I HAVE IS, SO REALLY WE'RE NOT HERE TO SAY PRIVA PRIVATIZATION IS GOOD OR BAD THERE, THERE'S NO GENERAL STATEMENT WE WOULD MAKE. 
          IT'S VERY SITUATIONAL AND, AND CERTAINLY THERE ARE TIMES WHEN PRIVATIZATION MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, BUT THERE ALSO ARE TIMES WHEN IT'S HARD TO SEE THAT PRIVATIZATION IS GOING TO MAKE SENSE. 
          AND SO I WANTED TO TRY TO STEP THROUGH SOME CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE MAKE WHEN TALKING ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT THE TOWN PROVIDING SERVICE. 
          SO YES, YOU COULD DECIDE TO GO AND LET A PRIVATE HAULER DO IT, BUT, UM, I SUBMIT TO YOU AND, AND WE HAVE LOOKED INTO THIS, THAT, UH, WHETHER IT'S A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR OR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, UH, YOU'RE BOTH HIRING LABOR FROM THE SAME LABOR MARKET. 
          YOU'RE BOTH PURCHASING TRUCKS FROM THE SAME TRUCK MANUFACTURERS. 
          UM, YOU BOTH HAVE TO MAINTAIN YOUR, YOUR HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES WITH SKILLED MECHANICS, UH, WHO ARE ALSO IN THE SAME LABOR MARKET IN YOUR AREA. 
          UM, YOU WOULD BE USING THE SAME DISPOSAL FACILITY. 
          SO PRESUMABLY PAYING EQUIVALENT TIP FEES, AT LEAST WE THINK THAT'S THE BEST PRACTICE. 
          UM, AND INTERESTINGLY, PRIVATE SECTOR, UH, PRIVATE SECTOR PROFIT MARGINS ARE PRETTY HIGH RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, THERE IS A LOT OF LEVERAGE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. 
          UM, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY A PROFIT MARGIN AND PRIVATE SECTOR ENTITIES HAVE, UM, SOME, UH, FEDERAL TAXES ON CAPITAL EQUIPMENT PURCHASES THAT PUBLIC SECTOR ENTITIES, UH, AVOID. 
          UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, UM, WHAT CALL, YOU GO OUT AND BUY A $450,000 TRUCK AND YOU'RE A PRIVATE ENTITY, YOU'RE PAYING A CERTAIN TAX THAT A PUBLIC PUBLIC SECTOR ENTITY IS NOT. 
          AND SO IF, IF YOU STOP AND THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND, JUST ON THE SURFACE THERE, THERE ISN'T AN INHERENT ADVANTAGE OR DISADVANTAGE REALLY OF EITHER PUBLIC OR PRIVATE. 
          AND, AND I COULD EVEN ARGUE THAT WHEN YOU THROW IN THE PROFIT MARGIN AND SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL TAX OBLIGATIONS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO REASON THAT A PUBLIC SECTOR SERVICE PROVIDER IS INHERENTLY LESS EFFICIENT OR LESS CAPABLE THAN A PRIVATE PRIVATE ENTITY. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF AN OVERARCHING, YOU KNOW, SETTING THE, SETTING THE STAGE. 
          BUT THERE ARE, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, IS THERE DATA TO SUPPORT, UH, THE FACT THAT MAYBE ECONOMIES OF SCALE, YOU ARE ANTICIPATING MY NEXT SLIDE? SO, UM, HOWEVER, THERE DEFINITELY ARE GOOD REASONS TO PRIVATIZE AND IN THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS, SOME RECURRING REASONS TO PRIVATIZE HAVE EMERGED AND THOSE, THEY, THEY FALL INTO TWO CATEGORIES. 
          THEY FALL INTO JUST ESSENTIALLY INSTITUTIONAL OBSTACLES OR INSTITUTIONAL BARRIERS THAT A PUBLIC SECTOR ENTITY JUST CAN'T INTERNALLY ESTABLISH, UM, POLICIES AND WORK RULES AND OPERATE OPERATING DEPARTMENTS THAT FUNCTION PROPERLY. 
          UH, SO THAT'S SORT OF THE INSTITUTIONAL BARRIER SIDE. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE JUST, THERE ARE MARKET FORCES. 
          AND SO TO YOUR POINT, MY MY BOTTOM BULLET, UM, SCALE MARKET COMPETITIVENESS, WHEN YOU GET VERY, VERY SMALL, YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO, IF, IF YOU'RE A PUBLIC SECTOR PROVIDER, YOU CAN'T UTILIZE YOUR CAPITAL INVESTMENT, YOU CAN'T USE THAT TRUCK AND YOU CAN'T KEEP YOUR EQUIPMENT OPERATORS PRODUCTIVE TO REALLY MAXIMIZE UTILIZATION OF THE VEHICLE. 
          SO VERY, VERY SMALL COMMUNITIES WOULD TYPICALLY BE BETTER OFF PRIVATIZING AND CONTRACTING OUT BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE SCALE TO MAKE, UH, THE ECONOMICS WORK IN A COLLECTION, YOU KNOW, COLLECTION SERVICE IN THE WASTE INDUSTRY. 
          SO YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT ON THAT. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S A, TO US, THAT'S A MARKET COMPETITIVENESS SCALE ISSUE. 
          ON THE INSTITUTIONAL BARRIER SIDE, WE HAVE HAD PUBLIC SECTOR CLIENTS THAT DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO RECRUIT AND PAY WAGES AND RETAIN EQUIPMENT OPERATORS BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS OF THE COUNTRY THAT IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE AND, UH, A CDL COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE, UH, EQUIPMENT OPERATORS MAKE GOOD MONEY AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR SNAPS 'EM UP. 
          AND 
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PUBLIC SECTOR FOLKS CAN'T COMPETE. 
          SO, SO THAT'S SORT OF AN INSTITUTIONAL DIFFICULTY TO PAY MARKET WAGES. 
          UM, SOMETIMES WE HAVE COMMUNITIES THAT WILL ONLY HAVE THEIR FLEET MAINTENANCE WORK AN EIGHT HOUR SHIFT FROM EIGHT IN THE MORNING TILL, YOU KNOW, FROM SEVEN TILL THREE 30 IN THE AFTERNOON. 
          WELL, YOUR GARBAGE TRUCKS NEED TO GET FIXED OVERNIGHT 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOTTA GET THOSE TRUCKS ON THE STREET. 
          SO WE'VE HAD COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE WONDERFUL FLEET MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENTS, BUT THEY WON'T ASK THEIR MECHANICS TO COME IN ON AN OVERNIGHT SHIFT SO THEY CAN'T GET THE GARBAGE TRUCKS READY TO GO FOR THE NEXT MORNING. 
          THAT'S AN INSTITUTIONAL BARRIER. 
          UM, WE OCCASIONALLY GET UNION CONTRACTS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY BUILT IN VERY, VERY ACHIEVABLE, UH, PRODUCTIVITY, UH, FOR, FOR COLLECTION. 
          THAT'S MORE, THAT'S MORE OF A HISTORICAL THING BECAUSE OUR INDUSTRY HAS MOVED SO MUCH TOWARDS AUTOMATION WHERE WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SILOED AUTOMATED ARM AS OPPOSED TO MANUAL LABOR. 
          AND SO, UH, AND THEN THE FINAL THING IS FOR COMMUNITIES THAT DO THEIR, UH, SANITATION TRUCK FLEET REPLACEMENT AND THOSE SANITATION TRUCKS ARE COMPETING WITH FIRE TRUCKS AND, YOU KNOW, POLICE VEHICLES AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT TEND TO GET HIGHER PRIORITY IN A LOCAL GOVERNMENT SETTING. 
          UM, WE HAVE HAD, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CLIENTS THAT JUST AREN'T RUNNING ON TRUCKS THAT ARE 8, 9, 10, 11, 15 YEARS OLD AND THEY JUST CAN'T CONVINCE FOLKS TO BUY THEM NEW TRUCKS AND THEIR SYSTEM JUST START, IT STOPS TO WORK 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T KEEP TRUCKS ON THE ROAD. 
          SO TO ME, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THOSE, SO IF THOSE WERE ISSUES AND, AND SO I THINK THIS LEADS INTO MY NEXT SLIDE, SO, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT IT DOESN'T, UM, I FEEL LIKE THE NEXT ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I FEEL LIKE I WANNA, I WANT TO JUMP, I WANNA JUMP TO THE NEXT ONE THEN I'LL GO BACK. 
          I, IN HINDSIGHT PROBABLY SHOULD'VE DONE THIS IN THE OTHER ORDER. 
          SO, SO WE TRIED TO TAKE THOSE INSTITUTIONAL BARRIERS AND JUST GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN FRONT ROYAL. 
          SO COLLECTION, OPERATIONS, EFFICIENCY, INDUSTRY STANDARDS, SO YOU KNOW, TOWN REFUSE AND RECYCLING, UM, LOOKING AT HOUSEHOLD LEVELS ON REFUSE, UH, WITH A SEMI-AUTOMATED SYSTEM, UM, YOU KNOW, IS, COULD, COULD I ARGUE THAT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LOW? YEAH, I COULD PROBABLY SAY MAYBE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LOW. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, UNACCEPTABLE FROM AN INDUSTRY STANDPOINT? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          WE THINK, WE THINK YOU'RE IN RANGE, UH, RECYCLING HOUSEHOLD ROUTE SIZE. 
          WE THINK THAT'S IN RANGE. 
          UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY HAD TO HAD TO PRESS STAFF ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOUR STAFFING WHEN WE STARTED, I FEEL LIKE YOU HAD A NUMBER OF VACANCIES AND I BELIEVE THOSE HAVE BEEN FILLED BECAUSE THE, THE TOWN WAS ABLE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A PAY INCREASE TO RECRUIT PEOPLE. 
          THAT IS NOT EVERY, EVERY CLIENT WE WORK WITH. 
          SO, UM, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM STAFF IS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET QUALIFIED DRIVERS OUT ON ROUTE IN YOUR LABOR MARKET. 
          YOU'RE NOT LIKE, THEY'RE NOT TURNING OVER AND YOU'RE LOSING 'EM EVERY THREE MONTHS AND HAVING TO HIRE NEW ONES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF A CHECK CHECK FOR THE TOWN, UM, WE FOUND YOUR VEHICLE FLEET TO BE VERY GOOD CONDITION. 
          YOU'RE ABLE TO GET EQUAL OR BETTER THAN THE TYPICAL USEFUL LIFE. 
          SO NOT SEEING, WE'RE NOT SEEING A, YOU KNOW, A FLEET MAINTENANCE, UH, MECHANICAL REPAIR ISSUE WITH YOUR VEHICLES. 
          UM, AND SORT OF THE LAST, BUT NOT LEAST BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY DOING A SUBSET OF BUSINESSES ON KIND OF A SMALL TUCK IN BASIS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT INVESTING IN A COMMERCIAL SEPARATE ROUTE AND THEN YOU'RE PICKING UP 10 DUMPSTERS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA PICK UP ABOUT A HUNDRED A DAY IF YOU WANNA MAKE THAT TRUCK WORK BECAUSE OF THE WAY YOUR SERVICE HAS GROWN AND YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO TUCK IN CUSTOMERS. 
          WE DON'T SEE, WE, WE JUST AREN'T SEEING THE INSTITUTIONAL BARRIERS IN FRONT ROYAL THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT PRIVATIZING IS GOING TO GET YOU REALLY ANYTHING DIFFERENT. 
          AND IN SOME REGARDS, IF PRIVATIZATION IS NOT LIKELY TO GET YOU, YOU KNOW, THE SAME SERVICE AT A LOWER PRICE, CANDIDLY, YOU ALSO THEN RISK LOSING SOME GOING THE EXTRA MILE SERVICE BECAUSE THE MOMENT YOU PRIVATIZE AND HAVE A CONTRACT, YOUR CON YOUR PRIVATE HAULER IS GOING TO FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THAT CONTRACT. 
          SO IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WIND BLOWING DUMPSTER, SOMETHING BLOWS OUT OF A DUMPSTER AND IT'S UP AGAINST THE FENCE, PROBABLY YOUR PRIVATE HAULER'S NOT GONNA COLLECT THAT. 
          MAYBE YOUR TOWN FOLKS MIGHT COLLECT THAT. 
          SO I DO THINK THERE TENDS TO BE A SERVICE LEVEL, UM, DIFFERENTIATION IN PRIVATIZING. 
          AND SO I'M NOT HERE TO TELL YOU YOU SHOULD OR SHOULD, I, I REALLY AM NOT, I'M NOT HERE TO SAY THE TOWN SHOULD PRIVATIZE OR THE TOWN SHOULD NOT PRIVATIZE. 
          BUT I, I THINK WHAT WE TRIED, WHAT WE WANNA TRY TO DO IS JUST TALK THROUGH WHAT WOULD MAKE PRIVATIZATION AN EASIER DECISION AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD MAYBE MAKE IT NOT SO COMPELLING. 
          AND, AND SO I HOPE THIS HAS, HAS GIVEN SOME PERSPECTIVE ON THAT. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, I I FORGIVE ME IF I'VE, I I'M TRYING TO NOT GO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          I, I WILL CONFESS THAT I FEEL LIKE WE JUST DIDN'T SEE ANY, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY REASON THAT WE SAY, OH BOY, YOU GUYS ARE REALLY IN TROUBLE. 
          YOU OUGHT TO BE PRIVATE. 
          WE DIDN'T SEE THAT. 
          SO, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M NOT REALLY HERE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU GO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          UM, I HOPE THIS WAS INFORMATIVE AND, AND KIND OF LETS YOU THINK THROUGH, UM, WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE. 
          BUT I THINK JUST AS A REACTION TO WARREN COUNTY INCREASING TIP FEES, WE DON'T SEE THAT PRIVATIZATION WOULD LIKELY SAVE YOU ANY MONEY. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH A WHOLE PROCUREMENT PROCESS. 
          SO WITH THAT, I AM NOW GOING TO GO BACKWARDS BECAUSE BACK FROM THE JANUARY, 
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UH, MEETING, I BELIEVE WE ACTUALLY HAD COMPLETED THIS. 
          SO, SO WE ACTUALLY, UH, FOUND ANOTHER, UH, PRIVATELY OPERATED COLLECTION SYSTEM, UH, BY A COMPANY WM, FORMERLY WASTE MANAGEMENT, UH, THAT WAS JOINTLY SERVING, UH, FOUR COMMUNITIES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET, UH, YOU KNOW, GET DETAILED INFORMATION, UH, ON THAT CONTRACT. 
          AND THERE'S SOME, TO ME THERE'S SOME REALLY INTERESTING THINGS. 
          SO FIRST OF ALL, THAT CONTRACT ONLY COVERED REFUSE COLLECTION. 
          IT DIDN'T, THERE WAS NO RECYCLING, THERE WAS NO YARD WASTE, THERE WERE NO BULKY ITEMS. THAT WAS JUST YOUR ROUTINE TRASH COLLECTION ON THE SAME FREQUENCY THAT THE TOWN PROVIDES. 
          AND SO ON AN APPLES TO APPLES BASIS JUST AT REFUSE COLLECTION, THE COST OF THAT PRIVATE CONTRACT, THEIR COST FOR JUST REFUSE WAS HIGHER THAN YOUR CURRENT RATE FOR ALL OF YOUR SERVICES, YOU KNOW, SO NOW THAT SAID, YOU CAN SEE CURRENT RATE, WE HAVE 1410 FOR ALL SERVICES. 
          WE'RE NOW SAYING THAT YOUR CURRENT RATE IS, WAS IT 22 AND CHANGE, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY. 
          SO $22 IS HIGHER THAN $17 AND 20 CENTS, BUT YOUR $22 FULL, FULL RATE ALSO COVERS RECYCLING, COLLECTION, YARD WASTE COLLECTION, SOME LIMITED. 
          AM I, AM I CORRECTLY LIMITED? BULKY, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          LIMITED, BULKY COLLECTION. 
          SORRY, I HAD A, HAD A MOMENT OF, UH, OF UNCERTAINTY THERE AS WELL AS COVERING YOUR, UH, DROP OFF FACILITY THAT IS IN USE BY YOUR RESIDENTS AND BY SOME FOLKS IN THE COUNTY. 
          SO, AND, AND SO TO US, I THINK THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, YOU ASK ABOUT DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF ANY ANY DATA TO SUPPORT THIS NOTION THAT PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTOR HAVE NO KIND OF, NO REASON FOR ONE TO BE BETTER. 
          UM, I, I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO PULL OUT A PRIVATE CONTRACT THAT HAS SPECIFICALLY DEFINED SERVICES FOR THE LEVEL OF RE RESIDENTIAL REFUSE SERVICE LEVELS, AND COMPARE THOSE AND, AND CLEARLY CONFIRM THE, THE SERVICES NOT BEING PROVIDED AND, AND JUST KIND OF SEE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I I, I, WE THINK THIS SUPPORTS WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AND WHY WE HAVE THE PHILOSOPHY WE DO, THAT THERE IS NOT, YOU KNOW, ANY INHERENT ADVANTAGE TO GO PRIVATE OR, OR NOT. 
          IT REALLY IS SITUATIONAL. 
          SO I, I HOPE, I HOPE THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M PERSUADING YOU, BUT WE, WE DO LOOK AT THIS AS, AS HELPFUL TO SUPPORT THE COMMENTS THAT I'VE MADE EARLIER, UH, IN, IN THE PRESENTATION ABOUT THERE, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY COMPELLING BASIS THAT SUDDENLY A PRIVATE HAULER'S JUST GONNA MAGICALLY DO IT BETTER AND CHEAPER THAN A PUBLIC SECTOR ENTITY LIKE THE TOWN. 
          SO, AND, AND HONESTLY I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, KUDOS TO YOU BECAUSE WE FREQUENTLY ARE CALLED IN TO DO, UH, TO ADVISE IN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH THEIR COLLECTION. 
          UM, AND IT'S, IT'S A CHALLENGE. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT FUN TO STAND UP AND SAY, YOU REALLY CAN'T OPERATIONALLY MAKE YOUR SYSTEM WORK. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PRIVATIZE, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, 125 PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE OUT OF A JOB UNLESS THE PRIVATE HAULER HIRES THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT THAT FUN EITHER. 
          SO, I MEAN, IN SOME REGARDS, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK KUDOS TO THE TOWN FOR HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ABILITY TO PAY GOOD WAGES AND MAINTAIN YOUR TRUCKS TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE. 
          SO FOR WHAT, FOR WHAT THAT'S WORTH. 
          JUST OTHER PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO, AM I MISSING ANY COMMENTS? UM, NOPE. 
          I THINK THAT COVERS IT ALL. 
          AND SO NOW I'M GOING TO LEAPFROG MY FRONT ROYAL PRIVATIZATION COMMENTS, AND WE'RE GONNA GET TO, UH, UM, SUMMARY. 
          I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TELL 'EM WHAT YOU, JUST SUMMARIZE WHAT YOU JUST TOLD 'EM. 
          UM, BECAUSE I'M COMING TO AN END, UH, AND I WAS TOLD I HAVE TO BE OUTTA HERE IN AN HOUR, SO IF I TALK A LOT, I'M CLOSING IN. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, SO WE, AGAIN, WE USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, IN ADDITION TO FACTORING IN WARREN COUNTY TO ALSO GO AHEAD AND UPGRADE OUR MODEL AND CAPTURE YOUR, UH, 2025 BUDGETING. 
          SO WE REALLY TRIED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STAYING, UH, AS FORWARD LOOKING AS WE CAN, SO WE HAVE THE BEST, BEST DATA FOR YOU TO MAKE DECISIONS. 
          SO, UH, AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT, UM, ON SOME OF THE CONCERNS SOMETIMES FOR, UH, PUBLICLY PROVIDED SERVICE, UH, HAS NOT, WE'VE NOT HEARD THAT THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM. 
          I FIGURED IF IT WAS, I FIGURED, YOU KNOW, BJ AND ROBIN WOULD BE THROWING SOMETHING AT ME BY NOW, SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, WE ACTUALLY HAD, AGAIN, A, I THINK A POSITIVE AND CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOGUE IN THE MAIN STREET AREA, UH, TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE FOLKS DOWN THERE, UH, AND, AND HAD THE BENEFIT OF MULTIPLE SOURCES OF DATA TO BUILD A RATE RECOMMENDATION THAT DRAWS ON BEST PRACTICES FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES, UH, AND, UH, ESSENTIALLY HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT BACK SOME FULL COST RATES. 
          UM, AND SO THAT GETS ME TO, UM, I THINK THE CONCLUSION HERE, BECAUSE, UM, WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR GUIDANCE AND, UM, ON THE TABLE, YOU KNOW, THE TWO, THE TWO PRIMARY THINGS, UM, ARE, YOU KNOW, STAY THE COURSE AND, AND LOOK AT RATE INCREASES. 
          AND NOW, AND AS I'M LOOKING TO SAY, I'M REALIZING WE DIDN'T GIVE YOU A TWO YEAR AND A THREE YEAR ON IN THIS UPDATE. 
          WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE COME BACK AND, AND WE CAN DO THIS QUICKLY. 
          SO, BECAUSE I'M FEELING LIKE WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE HAD A, MAYBE HERE'S A ONE YEAR, HERE'S A TWO YEAR, HERE'S A THREE YEAR IN TERMS OF STEPPING INTO RATE INCREASES. 
          UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE GUIDANCE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR 
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IS, UM, YOU KNOW, CAN, UH, CAN WE, UH, GET RATE INCREASES PASSED THAT ARE GONNA COVER THE FULL COST OF SERVICES THAT BY, BY THE MEASURES WE LOOK AT ARE BEING REASONABLY AND EFFICIENTLY PROVIDED, UH, AND SERVING YOUR CUSTOMER BASE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE ONE, ONE OPTION TO GO FORWARD. 
          AND THEN THERE WOULD COULD BE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT A BIG GIGANTIC RATE INCREASE ALL AT ONCE. 
          OR MAYBE PHASING IT IN OVER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TWO YEARS OR POSSIBLY THREE YEARS. 
          UH, OR ALTERNATIVELY, IF YOU'RE STILL FEELING LIKE PRIVATIZATION IS SOMETHING THAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS WANT TO KNOW ABOUT, WHATEVER, I MEAN, I GET IT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HERE TO REPRESENT, UM, THE VERY BEST WAY TO TRULY COMPARE AND TO TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WOULD COST TO PRIVATIZE IS TO ACTUALLY ISSUE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS, WHICH IS GOING TO COMPEL YOU TO DEFINE SPECIFICALLY THE SERVICE LEVELS THAT YOU WANT YOUR PRIVATE HAULER TO PROVIDE. 
          UH, AND THEN TO GO OUT AND GET BIDS AND EVALUATE BIDS. 
          AND SO THAT'S SORT OF A PROCESS UNTO ITSELF. 
          SO I'LL TAKE A PAUSE BECAUSE I, I'M SURE, I FEEL LIKE I MISSED SOMETHING IMPORTANT. 
          I WOULD INVITE, UM, UH, ACCOUNT MANAGER WALSH AND, UH, UH, BJ OR ROBBIE IF I'VE MISSED ANYTHING. 
          BUT, UM, BUT I DO HOPE, YES, SIR. 
          TWO QUESTIONS. 
          ONE, IN REVIEWING THIS, DID YOU LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF US GOING TO THE AUTO ARM COLLECTION SYSTEM, THEREBY REDUCING OUR LABOR COSTS? AND TWO, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT US HAULING OUR TRASH DIRECTLY TO THE LANDFILL. 
          THAT WOULD BE A CHEAPER OPTION. 
          MM-HMM. 
           FOR US. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          MM-HMM. 
           HAUL DIRECTLY TO PAGE COUNTY, SKIP WARREN COUNTY. 
          SO WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THE, UH, ALTERNATIVE, UH, TIPPING LOCATIONS. 
          UM, AND I AGREE THAT THAT IS AT LEAST POSSIBLE. 
          UM, THERE'S A TRADE OFF BETWEEN ALL OF YOUR, YOUR SOLID WASTE VEHICLES THAT ARE COLLECTING ON THE CURBSIDE. 
          THOSE HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES ARE VERY EXPENSIVE TO DRIVE ALONG DISTANCES. 
          SO THERE'S SORT OF A LOGISTICS ARBITRAGE THAT, THAT WE COULD DO, UH, IF THINGS BECOME PROBLEMATIC, AND ESPECIALLY IF THERE SOMEHOW WOULD BE DIFFERENT TIP FEES, UM, WHEN WE HAVE CLIENTS THAT ARE AWARE OF A, MAYBE THERE'S A LANDFILL A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY, BUT THE TIP FEES WAY LOWER, MAYBE THERE'S A REASON TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          AND, AND WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THAT. 
          AND, AND SO I DON'T WANT SPECULATE. 
          UM, GOING TO THE AUTOMATED ARM. 
          BJ, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING ON THAT? YES, THE, UH, I BELIEVE THE ADVERTISE RATES FOR BATTLEFIELD IS WHERE WARREN COUNTY TAKES THEIR COVERAGE TO, I'M SORRY. 
          NO, GO AHEAD. 
          IS UH, UM, IS ROUGHLY $40. 
          SO, YEAH, SO IT'S AT ABOUT, I'M SORRY, JOE, GO AHEAD. 
          SO STAFF HAS LOOKED AT A PRELIMINARY, LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS OF GOING TO ANOTHER LANDFILL. 
          WE PROBABLY COULD GET A LITTLE BIT OF SAVINGS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LOT TO GRAB AT. 
          BUT WE CAN DO ANOTHER ANALYSIS ON THAT. 
          BUT OUR ROUGH ESTIMATES, YOU, WE COULD SAVE A FEW DOLLARS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU HAVE CHANGE OPERATIONS. 
          WE'D HAVE A TRUCKS ON LONGER DISTANCE, MORE ROADS. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME RISKS AND DOWNSIDES TO THAT AS WELL. 
          I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE PRIVATIZATION BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT ONCE THE COUNTY IMPOSED THOSE TIPPING FEES, THAT WAS THE FIRST THING I WENT TO, WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA RECOVER FROM THIS? I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT, AND IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO SLIDES, JOHN, CERTAINLY, I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT PRIVATIZATION, I STARTED LOOKING AT STRS, WINCHESTER, OR CHARLESBURG, WAS IT THIS ONE? YES. 
          YEAH, PERFECT. 
          UM, WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT STRASSBURG NEW MARKET IN THAT AND WHAT THEY OFFERED FOR $17 AND WHEN WE START TO PEEL BACK OUR SERVICES, WE ARE COMPETITIVE. 
          SO I THINK REALLY AT THE POINT OF IS HOW MUCH DO WE WANT TO DO? WE WANNA PROVIDE A FULL SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS RECYCLING YARD WASTE, WHITE, THEN IT'S GONNA BE $22. 
          BUT IF WE WANNA BE COMPETITIVE LIKE OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE STRAWS PARK, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REDUCE OUR SERVICES. 
          SO ONCE I'VE STARTED LOOKING AT SERVICES FOR SERVICES, APPLES FOR APPLES, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE CAN BE AS COMPETITIVE WITH THE PRIVATE MARKET IN PROVIDING THAT SAME SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO I DON'T THINK I, MY PERSONALLY, MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE DON'T LOOK AT PRIVATIZATION BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO REASON. 
          BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE INSTITUTIONAL BARRIERS, WE HAVE ALL THAT SET UP. 
          WE HAVE THE STAFFING, WE HAVE THE FACILITY TO DO THE MAINTENANCE. 
          SO, SORRY. 
          SO, UM, ONE, I JUST IN TALKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS, IF, IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT WHAT SERVICES WE PROVIDE, I'M CURIOUS, LIKE THE WHITE GOODS, HOW OFTEN IS THAT USED? I MEAN, I, I KNOW WE CAN'T REALLY BREAK IT DOWN BY LIKE, BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS COSTS US ABOUT THAT. 
          BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS COSTS US, YOU KNOW, I THINK RECYCLING IT'S ABOUT $4 A MONTH IS $4. 
          SO I THINK THAT IS, SO RECYCLING'S ABOUT $4 A MONTH AND THE, THE COST, FULL COST OF BULKY COLLECTION IS JUST, IT'S INCLUDED. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          IT'S INCLUDED IN IT BECAUSE THEY CAN JUST COME, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, WHAT THAT WOULD COST US HAULING IT OFF. 
          SO THEY CAN EITHER CALL AND WE COME PICK IT 
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UP, OR THEY CAN DROP IT OFF IF THERE MANASSAS HAPPEN. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I'M SAYING I GUESS THERE'S, IS THERE NO WAY TO REALLY, OKAY, SO YEAH, SO THAT'S WHAT IT COSTS US ABOUT $2 AND 45 CENTS A MONTH. 
          WELL, BUT THAT, THAT IS TO OPERATE YOUR FACILITY, YOUR DROP OFF FACILITY, THAT'S THE BULKY WASTE IS THE 2 45, I THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT SAYS METAL WITH YARD WASTE. 
          SO THAT'S LIKE WHITE GOODS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY CALLS 'EM WHITE GOODS. 
          I'M THINKING LIKE REFRIGERATORS, FREEZERS, THEY ON LIKE OLD MOWER PLASTIC. 
          YEAH. 
          ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT COST US ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL $2 AND 45 CENTS. 
          THAT THAT'S NOT RIGHT. 
          THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT EVEN A CURBSIDE SERVICE. 
          NO, NO. 
          I KNOW. 
          IT'S NOT EVEN A CURBSIDE SERVICE. 
          NO, I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE LIKE, I REALLY WONDER, I, I, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA, WHATEVER, COMPLAIN ABOUT IT OR NOT, BUT I'VE SEEN PEOPLE SAY OUT THERE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY OFFERED THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL TAKE THOSE MOWERS, REFRIGERATORS, FREEZERS ON UP TO THE TRANSFER STATION, WHICH THEY GET TO DO. 
          THEY GET CHARGED UP THERE FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A THING THAT, I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF IF THERE'S THINGS THAT WE COULD DO TO BRING OUR COSTS DOWN THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA SAY YARD WASTE OR MY HUSBAND MIGHT HURT ME 'CAUSE HE LOVES THAT . 
          UM, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THINGS LIKE, THINGS LIKE THAT, I DON'T KNOW. 
          RECYCLING IS $4. 
          I, I GUESS, I GUESS THE OBSERVATION I HAVE IS, I WOULD SAY MOST OF OUR CLIENTS WOULD PROBABLY KILL FREER RATES. 
          I MEAN, IIII WOULD SAY THAT YOUR RATES ARE VERY COMPETITIVE IN OUR INDUSTRY IN GENERAL. 
          AND MOST OF OUR INDUSTRY IS PRIVATIZED. 
          I THINK IT'S SOMETHING LIKE 75% OF THE COUNTRY IS PRIVATIZED, 25% IS STILL BUYING IT. 
          THAT COULD BE OFF MOST PRICE. 
          I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT PEOPLE WE'RE PAYING $14 TO $22, LIKE, I'M, I'M, THAT $8 IS NOT GONNA, UM, MAKE ME, MAKE ME LOSE MY HOME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT $8, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S $96 A A YEAR. 
          THAT'S ALMOST A HUNDRED DOLLARS A YEAR. 
          YOU UNDERSTAND IF THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THEIR OWN NOW YEAH. 
          THIS GONNA COST YOU MORE THAN THAT. 
          OH, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT PRIVATIZING. 
          I'M SAYING IS THERE SOMETHING UP THERE THAT WE, I WAS JUST ASKING MY GRANDMOTHER COULDN'T TAKE HER OWN, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          I, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT IS, LIKE I SAID, I RECYCLING IS LIKE, LIKE WE ACTUALLY TAKE OUR, TRUST ME, IT'S LIKE, BUT IT'S 'CAUSE WE HAVE BEAR PROBLEMS. BUT THE BUT THE RECYCLING, LIKE, I USE THAT EVERY, I WOULD BE SAD TO NOT HAVE THAT. 
          BUT THEN I KNOW THAT JOE WAS SAYING LIKE, IN OTHER PLACES, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE RECYCLING SITES AROUND TOWN THAT PEOPLE COULD TAKE IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          CONVENIENCE, CENTER CONVENIENCE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          WE COULD JUST USE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD BE REMISS IF I WOULDN'T SAY THAT, UH, HAVING LIVED IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA FOR, YOU KNOW, 15, 20 YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, YOU, YOU FIND THAT EVERY YEAR THE HOAS ARE OUT REBIDDING IT BECAUSE THE PRICES GO UP EVERY YEAR. 
          EVERY YEAR. 
          SO THEY GO OUT AND REBID IT, THEN THEY GO TO ANOTHER ONE. 
          HERE, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT COMPETITIVE MARKET. 
          SO, UH, I AGREE WITH, UH, TOWN MANAGER WHAT AND WHAT THAT WE SHOULD THAT, THAT WE THAT PROVIDE PROFITIZATION PROBABLY DOESN'T FIT THE MOLD. 
          YEAH, NO, NO. 
          I, I DON'T ALL, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SUGGEST THAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE OTHER SERVICES. 
          GLEN, WHAT WERE YOU SAYING? AND, AND AT THE INTEREST OF KEEPING THIS SHORT, WHEN I TALKED ABOUT TRANSFERRING, I, I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT US DRIVING OUR TRUCKS TO LOU RAY WAS TALKING ABOUT US USING OUR BUILDING OVER THERE, DUMPING THE TRASH, PUTTING ON A LONG HAULER, ONE TRUCK, GOING BACK AND FORTH EVERY DAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT AN HOUR OUT OF EVERY DAY TO RUN OUT THERE AND DUMP IT. 
          IF WE HAD ONE TRUCK RUNNING AND TRANSFER IT FROM HERE TO THE LANDFILL AND BACK TWO LOADS A DAY. 
          WHAT WAS IT? 40 TONS A DAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO TWO LOADS A DAY TO THE LANDFILL. 
          ONE TRUCK, ONE DRIVER ON, ON A HAULER. 
          NOW REALIZING WE DON'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT REALIZING, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A-A-C-D-L DRIVER, TRACTOR TRAILER DRIVER FOR THAT. 
          BUT MY IDEA WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR TRUCKS GO IN OUR YARD, WE USE A LOADER, LOAD IT ON A BIG ONE AND, AND SHOOT IT. 
          AND THAT WOULD SAVE WIRE AND TEAR ON HER SMALLER TRUCKS CAN MAKE HER A TRANSFER STATION. 
          EXACTLY. 
          JOE, WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY? UM, I, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ORDINANCE. 
          SHOULD I WAIT OR, UM, CERTAINLY WE CAN, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER YOU WERE PRESENT. 
          ARE YOU PRESENTING THE ORDINANCE? UM, WAS JUST GONNA TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT IT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY DIVE INTO IT HERE. 
          WELL, I, I JUST, I HAD A QUESTION AROUND, UM, AND IT'S ON OUR SLIDE 27, UM, FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE A REFERENCE, UM, WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE, 
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IT'S THE ONCALL COLLECTION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN YOU, YOU OUTLINE THESE FEES OF $400 AN HOUR AND $600 AN HOUR. 
          AND I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, I WAS, AND I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS ISN'T MY WHEELHOUSE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT EVEN LIKE WHEN I, WHEN I'VE RENTED A ROLL OFF, YOU KNOW, AND HAD IT AT MY HOUSE AND HAD IT PICKED UP, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A, IT WAS NOT BY THE HOUR, IT WAS. 
          SO TELL, TALK TO ME ABOUT WHAT THIS, SO WHAT THAT IS. 
          WE HAD LANDLORDS THAT WERE JUST THROWING GARBAGE ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          WE'D CLEAN OUT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE ENTIRE FACILITY IF THEY'RE OUT ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          SO THAT'S THE CHARGES, IF THE TOWN CREWS HAVE TO GO CLEAN IT UP OFF THE SIDE OF THE STREET, AND, UM, IT WAS HUGE. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING COUPLE ROLL OFFS I THING BACK SKI LOADER OF THE GRAPPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAD TO TAKE EQUIPMENT UP THERE. 
          OH. 
          LIKE WHEN SOMEBODY'S BEEN EVICTED OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE? NOT, WELL, I MEAN THIS, THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE WAS A WHOLE BUILDING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT IT, WHEN SOMEONE'S EVICTED ALSO. 
          YES. 
          WE'VE HAD SEVERAL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S BEEN REALLY BAD. 
          WE'VE GOT PICTURES IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE. 
          OH. 
          SO I WAS THINKING IN TERMS OF, IT WAS JUST A, THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I WOULD CALL AND GET A A, A ROLL OFF COLLECTED AND I'M THINKING, WHY IS THAT PER ANN? OR WHY ISN'T THAT LIKE BY THE WEEK OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T DO. 
          SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE A VERY SPECIAL, YOU KNOW, VERY SPECIAL EXTRA, EXTRA EFFORT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          DOES THEY ROLL OFF, WOULDN'T THEY? NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE DON'T PROVIDE RULE LAWS. 
          SO TWO THINGS. 
          ONE, I'M JUST ASKING AGAIN BEFORE WE MOVE ANY FURTHER, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY INTEREST IN LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER SERVICES THAT WERE BACK THERE ON THAT SLIDE? HE JUST SAID . 
          UM, IF DO, IS ANYBODY INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE SERVICES AND ASKING OURSELVES, DO WE WANNA CONTINUE TO PROVIDE ALL OF THOSE OR DO WE JUST WANNA LOOK AT, LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE CHANGING SOMETHING? MAYBE NOT OFFERING THAT TO BRING THE COST DOWN? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T THINK, I THINK YEAH. 
          RECYCLING THAT THEY TOOK THAT AWAY YEARS AGO, I RECALL. 
          AND IT WAS NOT WELL RECEIVED. 
          AND THEN IT CAME BACK AT ONE POINT, OR IT WAS DISCUSSED. 
          I JUST CAUTIOUSLY OF HOW THIS WILL SOUND. 
          UM, IT'S INTRIGUING THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE IN TOWN SERVICES TO COUNTY RESIDENTS WHO DON'T PAY TOWN TAXES AT THE MANASSAS AVENUE SITE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT WE PAY TOWN AND COUNTY TAXES, COUNTY RESIDENTS DO NOT PAY TOWN TAXES. 
          THAT'S A DISCUSSION EMPLOYEE. 
          IT'S PERTAINING TO YEAH. 
          HOMETOWN PROPERTY. 
          BUT THAT'S, WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT. 
          WE CAN, WE CAN EXPLORE THAT JUST THE WAY THAT THEY EXPLORE US FEES. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE CAN CHANGE OUR OPERATIONS AT THE FARM. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'LL CONVERSATION WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE DOWN THE ROAD EVENTUALLY. 
          'CAUSE ONCE THAT AREA GETS DEVELOPED UP THERE ON THE FARM, IT'S NOT GONNA BE SUITABLE FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING ON IT TODAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          BUT I DEFINITELY DO THINK WE ENTERTAIN THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE I MEAN, I'M, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT CONVERSATION SOONER THAN LATER. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAVE A, A DIFFERENT QUESTION THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE. 
          IT'S INTERESTING THAT THIS IS THE TOPIC TONIGHT. 
          UM, AS I'VE BEEN OUT IN THE COMMUNITY DOOR KNOCKING, I WAS ON TWO DIFFERENT STREETS THAT TALKED TO ME ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I WILL BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT AND TELL YOU THAT I WAS NOT AWARE OF. 
          UM, I WAS AWARE OF ONE, BUT I WASN'T AWARE OF THE OTHER. 
          SO WE HAVE STREETS IN THE TOWN THAT ARE PRIVATE ROADS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO THEY PAY TOWN TAXES, BUT THEY, UM, THEY DO NOT HAVE CURBSIDE TRASH. 
          UM, SO, AND, AND I KNEW THAT ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR STREET, BUT THEN I WAS ON A DIFFERENT STREET THAT WAS TALKING TO ME ABOUT IT JUST RECENTLY. 
          OBVIOUSLY THEY WERE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME FRUSTRATION BECAUSE THEY WERE, BECAUSE THEY WERE A PRIVATE ROAD, THEY WERE GETTING CURBSIDE. 
          AND I KNOW NOW WHY THEY AREN'T GETTING CURBSIDE. 
          IT TOOK ME TILL ABOUT THE EIGHTH NEIGHBOR FOR THEM TO EXPLAIN TO ME THE WHOLE, 'CAUSE THEY ALL WANTED TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, AND IS THAT OUR STREET? NO. 
          UHUH. 
          AND THEN SO IT WENT FROM NO, IT WASN'T. 
          ANYWAY, REGARDLESS, I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA LIKE, UM, BUT IT WAS LIKE THEY WERE PAYING $5 EXTRA BECAUSE IT WAS A PRIVATE ROAD AND THEY WERE GETTING CURBSIDE. 
          BUT AS OF JULY ONE, THEY'RE PAYING $25, WHICH IS WHERE THIS WHOLE PRIVATE THING HAPPENED. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THEY'RE NO LONGER GETTING CURBSIDE, SO THEY HAVE TO TAKE THEIR TRASH TO THE END OF THE ROAD. 
          AND I WILL TELL YOU ALL, LIKE, AND WHERE I WAS LIKE, 'CAUSE I WAS ON THE STREET AND WALKING IT, I WAS THINKING YOU GOT ROLLED THAT BIG OLD TRASH CAN ALL THE WAY DOWN. 
          I MEAN, AND, AND OF COURSE A COUPLE OF 'EM SAID, WELL, IT'S NOT TOO BAD IN THIS WEATHER, BUT I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN IT'S SNOWING. 
          AND SO, UM, I, THIS, AGAIN, THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME 
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TO BRING THIS UP, BUT I, BUT BECAUSE IT'S ON MY MIND AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRASH, LIKE MY THOUGHT WAS, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD PUT SOMETHING PERMANENT AT THE END OF THEIR STREET, ALMOST LIKE A, NOT A DUMPSTER, WHATEVER, I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO THAT AS THEY'RE RIDING BY, THEY COULD THROW THEIR TRASH BAG INTO IT AS THE WEEK GOES ON VERSUS HAVING TO ROLL THEIR TRASH CAN DOWN THERE ON FRIDAY. 
          BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY'RE PAYING. 
          ARE THEY, ARE THEY PAYING THE $25 FOR THE FACT THAT IT'S PRIVATE ROAD AND PAYING FOR TRASH AND PAYING WHATEVER EVERYBODY ELSE IS PAYING THE $14? SORRY, GO AHEAD ROBIN. 
          EITHER YOU BETTER. 
          I SAY IF I THINK I THE ONE YOU'RE HOME, THEY SHOULD JUST BE PAYING THE STANDARD NOW, YOU KNOW, THE JULY 1ST. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          OH REALLY? NOW WE RECOMMEND 'CAUSE THEY WEREN'T, 'CAUSE THEY, IT JUST WENT UP SOME AMOUNT AND THEN I KNOW THEY WERE ALL COMING TO TALK TO Y'ALL OR SOMETHING. 
          THE, UM, SO, UH, THEY WILL JUST BE PAYING THE STANDARD AMOUNT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE, UH, UH, EFFECTIVE JULY ONE. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN THE PRIVATE ROADS TO PICK UP. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE ORDINANCE, UH, THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, WILL GIVE THEM THE OPTION ON A PRIVATE ROAD NOT TO HAVE TO PAY FOR GARBAGE. 
          UH, THEY'LL HAVE THE OPTION. 
          UH, SO, BUT THEY, THEY WERE, THEY WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION, AND AGAIN, I, I COULD HAVE CALLED YOU AND TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THAT, BUT I WAS BACK TO WORK TODAY. 
          BUT THE, UM, THEIR, IT WAS UN IT WAS THEIR IMPRESSION THAT TO BE EXEMPTED FROM PAYING THE, THAT FEE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE PAYS, IT'S IN TOWN FOR TRASH, THAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO SHOW PROOF OF SOMEBODY ELSE PICKING UP THEIR TRASH. 
          UM, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, THE NEW ORDINANCE WILL NOT. 
          YES. 
          AH, OKAY. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WONDERED BECAUSE I JUST BOUGHT A NEW PROCESS, SEVERAL THAT WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND ENCLOSURE. 
          THE ONE I'M THINKING ABOUT BEHIND THAT WALL. 
          YEAH, WE CAN, I CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT LATER ABOUT WHERE IT WAS, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A WALL THERE. 
          BUT, BUT, BUT I, BUT THE THING WAS THAT WAS FROM WHAT THEY EXPLAINED TO ME IS, IS THAT TO GET A PRIVATE PERSON TO COME TO THEIR ROAD AND PICK UP ALL THE HOUSES THAT WERE ON THAT ROAD, THAT TO, FOR THE CONTRACTOR, THAT ALL THE DIFFERENT ONES THEY GOT PRICES FROM, THEY NEEDED EVERYBODY ON THE ROAD. 
          WELL, EVERYBODY ON THE ROAD DIDN'T WANNA DO IT BECAUSE THEY, THEY, AND THEY SAID IT WAS ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN I SAID TO THEM, WELL, YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO CHARGE BECAUSE IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY MAYBE DIFFERENT, ESPECIALLY YOUR OLDER PERSON ROLLING YOUR TRASH. 
          CAN I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THAT THOUGH? IT'S NOT THE SAME CONTEXT. 
          I JUST MOVED AND BOUGHT A DIFFERENT HOUSE IN THE TOWN AT THE END OF LAST WEEK ON FRIDAY. 
          AND THE HOUSE DIDN'T COME WITH THE TRASH CAN. 
          WHEN I CALLED TO GET TRASH SERVICE, LIKE THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AND QUESTIONS THAT HAD TO BE ANSWERED. 
          SO IF I DON'T HAVE A TRASH CAN AND DON'T HAVE TRASH SERVICE IN THE CURRENT, OUR OLD ORDINANCE, I WAS REQUIRED TO SHOW A CONTRACT THAT SOMEBODY ELSE PICKED IT UP FOR ME. 
          THE HOUSE DIDN'T COME WITH THE BLUE TRASH CAN. 
          SO REGARDLESS IF HE USED THE SERVICES OR NOT, YOU, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR TOWN, UH, SERVICES. 
          BUT IS IT BILLED AT LIKE THE 36 OR WHATEVER GALLON TRASH CAN OR THE 96 OR BILLED AT THE 96? WE ONLY HAVE MAYBE 20, 32 GALLON CONTAINERS. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE PERSON PRIOR TO ME HAD THERE. 
          BUT YEAH, THERE WAS NOTHING THERE. 
          SO I HAD TO SET IT UP. 
          BUT YOU CAN'T GET IT. 
          YOU CAN'T GET, SO IF NOT, I COULD HAVE BEEN IN TROUBLE. 
          BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE, THE COWS DIDN'T COME WITH ONE. 
          WE'VE BEEN PICKING 'EM UP BECAUSE PEOPLE'S BEEN STEALING THEM AT VACANT HOUSES. 
          , IT WAS THERE THE DAY I CLOSED AND THE NEXT DAY I MOVED IN AND IT WAS GONE. 
          AND I CALLED AND THEY WERE LIKE, AH. 
          I WAS LIKE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE TOWN GOT IT AND NOT SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          YOU PICKED THREE UP IN BENTONVILLE. 
          THE WAY THE TRANSFER STATION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, SOMEBODY HIT, I SAW SOMEBODY AT THE TRANSFER STATION DUMPING ONE OFF THE BACK OF THEIR TRUCK THE OTHER DAY. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN TAKING 'EM, BRINGING 'EM BACK, AND THEN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TAKEN BACK WHAT THEY WANT. 
          WE ALL ARE DELIVERING ONE THIS WEEK. 
          SO, I MEAN, THAT HAPPENS IF THEY, SO THE, OR THIS NEW ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE THAT WERE ON A PRIVATE ROAD THAT LIVE IN TOWN TO OPT TO NOT HAVE TRASH WITHOUT THE CONTRACT, WITHOUT A CONTRACT PRIVATE ROAD. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT ONLY IF IT'S PRIVATE ROAD, BECAUSE LIKE, WE DON'T USE TRASH. 
          WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS CONVERSATION. 
          WE DON'T USE THE TRASH, BUT WE CAN'T GET OUT OF IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SEE, THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS IN AN H HO A I KNOW, BUT I DON'T WANT AN H HOA PRIVATE ROADS. 
          PRIVATE ROADS STILL GET TRASH PICKUP. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, EVERYONE, EVERYONE HAS TO PAY INTO IT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          WHICH I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY WE DON'T PICK UP MORE PRIVATE ROADS. 
          I MEAN, I JUST DON'T, I DON'T GET IT. 
          WELL, OUGHT BE PART OF THE, SO IT'S NOT, YEAH. 
          ALSO IF THE ROAD GETS TORN UP BY ONE OF THE TRUCKS IS GONNA BE ON THE TOWN. 
          IF THEY'RE GONNA GET STUCK IN THE SNOW, IT'S, AND THEY TEAR THE ROAD UP, IT'S GONNA BE ON THE TOWN TOO. 
          LIKE LUCAS STEEL. 
          IF THE ROAD, IF THE ROADS BROUGHT 
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INTO THE TOWN, IT NEEDS TO MEET CERTAIN SO COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT, CAN I JUST, THERE'S, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. 
          NO, I KNOW, BUT THIS IS GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC TO HEAR TOO, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY ASKED THESE QUESTIONS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. 
          THE IDEA IS, AND ONE OF THE CITIZENS ON THAT ROAD SAID THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO BRING IT IN TO THE TOWN STANDARDS. 
          AND THEY SAID IT WAS ACTUALLY CHEAPER FOR THEM TO KEEP DOING WHAT THEY WERE DOING THAN TO ACTUALLY PAY TO HAVE IT BROUGHT IN. 
          AND THE O THE OTHER STREET, LIKE OAKMONT, LIKE THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THE TRASH TRUCK WAS GOING IN THERE AND IT, IT'S JUST WASN'T WIDE ENOUGH AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO TURN AROUND AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT ANYWAY, I WAS, THAT'S WHY MOST OF 'EM ARE PRIVATE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT TOWN STANDARD. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT TOWN STANDARDS. 
          AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, I KNOW LOCUS STEEL WAS THIS WAY TO BRING IT INTO TOWN STANDARDS. 
          THE CITIZENS ON THAT ROAD WOULD HAVE TO DO, HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD ME. 
          I DON'T, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE OLD TOWN MANAGER USED TO LIVE ON THAT STREET, UM, THAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO BRING IT INTO THE STANDARDS AND IT WAS MORE EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO, THEY, THEY JUST ASSUMED BRING THE TRASH DOWN, BUT THERE WAS SNOW REMOVAL AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          ANYWAY, MR. WALTZ, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM DIRECTION FROM US AT THIS POINT? DO WE NEED TO, IS THIS WHERE WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE OKAY WITH THE NEW ORDINANCE OR THE PRICES OR WHAT? RIGHT. 
          SO WE, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO REVIEW THIS ORDINANCE AND GET PERMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE. 
          WHAT WE REALLY NEED TONIGHT IS TO FIND OUT WHAT COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IS ON THIS GAP. 
          AS YOU KNOW, THOSE TIPPING FEES WENT IN EFFECT ON JULY 1ST. 
          SO WE ARE NOW STARTING TO INCUR THAT COST. 
          SO WE ARE REALLY, UM, AS WE LEFT IN JANUARY, WE WERE GONNA DO A THREE YEAR, WHICH WAS A LITTLE DOLLAR AND SOME CHANGE. 
          SO IF YOU TAKE THAT DELTA NOW AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT, 2 65 A MONTH INCREASE, IF YOU DO IT ON A THREE YEAR PROGRESSION, BUT WE'RE EXPERIENCING THE EXPENSE NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          AS OF JULY ONE. 
          NOW WE'RE RUNNING A, A DEFICIT NOW, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND DON'T WE HAVE TO BREAK EVEN WITH OUR ENTERPRISE SYSTEMS? WELL, I CAN LET VIJ ANSWER THAT 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM. 
          YES. 
          WE, UM, SO WE DID INCORPORATE, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF CONTINGENCY IN THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET AND IN ANTICIPATION THE RATES WOULD NOT BE AN EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST. 
          SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM IF WE TAKE THIS BUNCH OF PAST OCTOBER 1ST. 
          YES. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE RUNNING. 
          IT DOES. 
          SURE. 
          AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO SUBSIDIZE THAT OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND. 
          CORRECT. 
          UH, BRING UP, SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANNA GO AT, I MEAN, IS, IS COUNCIL OKAY WITH THESE RATES? AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON IT IN AUGUST. 
          DO YOU ALL WANNA SIT AROUND AND THINK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT? SO THIS WOULD, WE REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? SO THERE, THERE'S PROBABLY 45, 60 DAYS IN THAT PROCESS OF GETTING THAT THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING PUBLICATION. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SO USUALLY IF WE HAVE SOMETHING BY THE FIRST WORK SESSION, WE CAN DO PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IT'S CODE CHANGES. 
          SO CODE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IT'S GONNA TAKE LONGER. 
          OKAY. 
          IS IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE COULDN'T SPREAD IT OVER FOUR YEARS? WE HAD DISCUSSED THAT AT THE FIRST WORK SESSION IN JANUARY WHEN THEY PRESENTED. 
          AND IT, THE PROBLEM WAS IN FOUR YEARS, WE WERE GONNA BE IN A DEFICIT AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS WE'RE SO FAR BEHIND NOW THE INFLATION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          BY THE TIME WE, THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT. 
          WELL, THAT WASN'T EVEN WITH THE TIPPING BY THE TIME TIPPING FEES NOW TIPPING FEES TO IT. 
          WE'LL BE JUST AS MUCH BEHIND THE, WELL, I WAS INCLUDING THE TIPPING FEES. 
          BUT, UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE JUST AS MUCH BEHIND. 
          YEAH. 
          WOULD PUT IT WOULD EASE. 
          EASE. 
          THE, SO WHAT WOULD BE, AND THEN WE CAN DO IT AGAIN, THEN JUST GO AHEAD AND BITE THE BULLET AND JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAD OUR AGREEMENT TO DO A THREE YEAR INCREASE, GRADUATED TO RECOVER SOME OF OUR DEFICIT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE OPERATING ON NOW. 
          WE'RE JUST TACKING MORE $40 TAP, PASSING IT ON. 
          PASSING IT ON. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE MUCH CHOICE. 
          I MEAN, EITHER WE, YOU KNOW, I, SO FORTUNATELY, I MEAN, WE JUST, I THINK WE JUST, ANOTHER DILEMMA THAT WE'LL BE TALK DISCUSSING IS THAT, UH, THERE'S A LONG LEAD TIME ON EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT NOW. 
          UH, WE'RE GETTING READY TO DISCUSS THE DUMP TRUCKS WITH YOU. 
          I BELIEVE THERE'S A TWO TO THREE YEAR LEAD TIME, UH, APPARENTLY ON REFUGE TRUCKS. 
          IT'S EVEN LONGER LEAD TIME, LIKE THE 52 WEEKS FOR ELECTRICAL POLES COMING YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO ADD, TO TRANSFORM, I GUESS THAT, NOT THAT I THINK WE'RE, I I, I WOULD, IF IT WOULD HELP, UM, I WOULD OFFER, WE COULD ABSOLUTELY TAKE THE RATE INCREASES AND SPLIT THE WARREN COUNTY $40 A TON. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU JUST DID NOTHING BUT PASS THAT ON MM-HMM. 
           WE COULD HELP DO SOME MATH AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE, IN 
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OTHER WORDS, IF, BUT, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO PACKAGE THE CHANGES AND INFORM AND, AND EDUCATE YOUR CONSTITUENTS, WE CAN TOTALLY HELP WITH THE MATH THAT YES, THE RATE INCREASES 62%, BUT YOU KNOW, 35% OF THAT IS WARREN COUNTY. 
          BOOM, IT HIT US. 
          IT'S A PASS THROUGH. 
          AND THEN I I MEAN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, IS IT SPIN? YES. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF SPIN, BUT IT IS ALSO LEGITIMATE. 
          AND I'M JUST SAYING WE'D BE HAPPY, WE'D BE HAPPY TO HELP TO HELP WITH MATH AND PUT A COUPLE R PAST, ACTUALLY THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT THING, IS THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO, WE HAVE TO EDUCATE OUR CITIZENS FOR THEM TO NOT SEE THIS AS LIKE, I MEAN, THAT IS A BIG, I MEAN, $14 TO $22 IS A BIG, AND SHE SAID 62%. 
          I JUST WOULD HATE FOR THEM TO THINK THAT WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, GOUGING SOMEBODY. 
          OUR OUR SELL TO THAT THOUGH IS, YEAH, I THINK SLIDE SEVEN IS GOOD, IS GREAT. 
          BUT I THINK SLIDE 15 IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT, AS YOU SAID, WITH THE COST OF THE PRIVATIZATION. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S JUST SAY THIS RIGHT HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE AVERAGE, WHETHER YOU'RE PAYING $17 TO A GOVERNMENT OR YOU'RE PAYING $17 TO A PRIVATE, PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, STILL, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PAYING. 
          RIGHT? SO EVEN WITH OUR INCREASE TO $22 AND WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING RESIDENTIAL SERVICES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND ACTUALLY JUST EVEN, AGAIN, EVEN PUT A FINER TUNE ON THAT, THAT'S THE CURBSIDE EQUIVALENT FOR ALL OF THESE SERVICES. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S FOR ALL THREE. 
          THIS IS FOR ONE. 
          SO THAT'S NOT WHAT OURS IS GONNA BE. 
          THAT'S OUR CURRENT YEAH. 
          THAT WE, WE'VE GOTTA CHANGE. 
          I DON'T THINK WE, THAT'S 22 4 GOING ABOUT $22, INCLUDING THE TIPPING PIECE. 
          I THAT'S WOULD'VE BEEN 1960. 
          NO, NO, THE 20, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE, ONE PERSON AT TIME PLEASE IS DROP OFF. 
          JOSH HAS RUNNING, SERVING SOME CHANGE IN MONTH. 
          WE'RE GONNA BRING THAT UP. 
          1426, $2 PER MONTH. 
          RIGHT. 
          TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WRONG. 
          THE GALLON, THE 96 GALLON TRASH CAN AT 1410 ALONE IS GOING TO 19 SOMETHING. 
          SO THAT'S $4, $5 RIGHT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HE ACTUALLY JUST EXPLAINED THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 1960 AND THE 22 OF FOUR. 
          DO YOU WANNA TELL HIM WHAT THAT DIFFERENCE IS? YEAH. 
          AND, AND, AND THIS, YOU KNOW, WE, I I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE WE COULD DO THIS EVERY TIME I'VE DONE THIS, WE HAD ORGANIZED THIS BETTER. 
          SO THE DIFFERENCE, THE ROUGHLY $2 AND 65 CENTS TO GET FROM 1960 UP HERE OR WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, THAT'S YOUR DROP-OFF CENTER THAT BOTH TOWN RESIDENTS ARE USING AND COUNTY RESIDENTS ARE USING. 
          IN FACT, WE, WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A, ONE OF THE EARLIER SLIDES ACTUALLY HAS THE MONTHLY RATE EQUIVALENT OF PROVIDING THAT DROP-OFF CENTER. 
          IT'S TWO, $2 AND CHANGE IS, YOU KNOW, OUT OF YOUR TOTAL 2204 FULL COST IS FOR THAT DROP OFF CENTER. 
          SO IF YOU TAKE THAT DROP OFF CENTER BACK AND JUST LOOK AT RESIDENTIAL CURBSIDE COLLECTION, YOUR FULL COST TO PROVIDE REFUSE RECYCLING AND YARD WASTE IS 1960. 
          WHAT DO YOU, WHAT ARE YOU CALLING THE, WHAT ARE YOU CALLING THE DROPOFF CENTER? UM, I'M SORRY. 
          IS THAT THE YARD? NASA AVENUE? WE TRYING THE BRUSH AND THE METAL. 
          THIS IS INCLUSIVE OF RUNNING MASS DROP OFF CENTER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE BILL THERE, RIGHT? I MEAN 22 0, 22 0 4. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDED FULL COST OF ALL YOUR SERVICES TO BE RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S HUNDRED PERCENT REVENUE TO ME. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY SHOULD LOOK AT. 
          SO THE 2204, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE PAYING FOR FOR MM-HMM. 
           A MONTH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THIS IS, AND THIS IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT TIPPING FEE, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          SO AGAIN, OVER HERE, LOOKING AT THESE OTHER CITIES, WE'RE PAYING $17 A MONTH, $20. 
          BUT THEY'RE NOT GETTING RECYCLING, THEY'RE NOT GETTING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GETTING THOSE OTHER SERVICES. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT'S HOW WE SPEND THIS FOLKS. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S AN INCREASE. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGHT THE BULLET SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER. 
          BUT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONTINUING OUR SERVICES, I, I DON'T LIKE THE RATE OF INCREASE EITHER. 
          I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT SUCKS, YOU KNOW, HAVING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING HIT WITH A $40 TON FEE ALL OF A SUDDEN AFTER OUR BUDGET, IT'S GONNA BE UP OVER THREE YEARS. 
          RIGHT. 
          BJ. 
          BUT IF WE DO THIS OVER THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, WITH THE INFORMATION THAT, HEY, THE BULK OF THIS IS COMING FROM THE TIPPING FEE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT LET'S KEEP THIS IN MIND TO TELL FOLKS. 
          'CAUSE A LOT OF FOLKS MOVE HERE AND THEY COME HERE BECAUSE OF OUR, OUR OUR LOW COST OF, OF, UH, MUNICIPAL FEES. 
          AND OUR, OUR TOWN STILL HAS, AND THIS STILL KEEPS US, AS YOU SAID, COMPETITIVE WITH OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SERVICES THAT WE DO OFFER. 
          BECAUSE AS COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT I, I DO RECALL, UM, NOW WHAT NO ONE LIVED HERE. 
          BUT I HEAR, I DID HEAR BACK WHEN, WHEN RECYCLING APPARENTLY WAS TAKEN AWAY, YOU KNOW, THEN SOME FOLKS WHO WERE FIT ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I SAID, 
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I, I, I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF OF JUST TRYING TO SAVE A NICKEL HERE AND TAKE, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO PAY, COMPARE THIS. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST, THAT'S TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR, OUR TIPPING POINT, RIGHT. 
          OR OUR SELLING POINT IS THIS, MR. WALTZ. 
          THIS WOULD BE PART, THIS WOULD BE PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING OR JUST THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS HAVE SOME DIRECTION TONIGHT. 
          UM, IF WE DO DECIDE TO DO A RATE CHANGE, WHICH WE'RE RECOMMENDING SOME TYPE OF RATE CHANGE IMMEDIATELY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I WILL TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          AND CONSULTANT WITH GEORGE AND TINA UP HERE, THE EARLIEST WE COULD DO THIS IF WE LEFT TONIGHT WITH DIRECTION WOULD BE SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 23RD. 
          SO, BUT, AND BY OCTOBER WE'RE GONNA BE WORSE OFF. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT THIS WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON, ON THE SEPTEMBER MEETING. 
          WE STAFF WOULD COME PREPARED TO GIVE A PRESENTATION FOR THE PUBLIC, WOULD BE AWARE OF WHAT, WHAT IS BUILT INTO THAT NUMBER AND WHY WE ARE INCREASING, UM, THE, THE SOLID WASTE. 
          I THINK THE SOONER WE DO IT, THE BETTER OFF WE'RE GONNA BE. 
          YES. 
          I I I THINK WE'VE HAD ROUND TABLE DISCUSSION HERE FOR HALF AND I THINK WE'RE ALL AT THE CONCLUSION THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOTTA DO. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A TOY. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S A DEBATE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT IS EITHER. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT FOR THE, UH, I NOTICED, SO THIS IS, I'M SORRY, BRUCE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, IT'S JUST IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CPI INDEX IS GOING TO, THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN EVERY YEAR. 
          IT, HOW MANY YEARS DID IT TAKE FOR THE, UH, FOR THEM FOR THE COUNTY TO CATCH UP TO THIS EIGHT? OH, IT'S BEEN 10 A LONG TIME. 
          SO, SO, UH, THEY, YOU NEED TO EXPECT THAT THERE COULD BE A 3% INCREASE EVERY YEAR. 
          I, I, I DON'T, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, DR. 
          DALEY, THE COUNTY TOLD ME TO EXPECT ANOTHER RACE IN JULY, NEXT JULY . 
          WELL, AT SOME POINT. 
          OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. 
          BECAUSE OUR, OUR CITIZENS NEED TO IT. 
          I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE GONNA EDUCATE THEM BECAUSE OUR CITIZENS NEED TO ASK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE JUST ASKED HERE TONIGHT ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE ARE ALSO PAYING FOR THEIR STAFF AND THEIR EQUIPMENT AND THE THINGS TO OUR TAX DOLLARS. 
          SO I NEVER LIKE TO SAY DOUBLE TAX 'CAUSE I KNOW I THAT'S A BAD THOSE ARE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          TWO BAD WORDS. 
          WELL, IT'S, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THESE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE JUST NEED TO ASK NOW I WAS TOLD THAT IT COULD BE, THEY COULD BE CHARGING US MORE. 
          MAYBE THEY COULD BE, BUT I JUST REALLY WISH WE WOULD'VE KNOWN THIS BEFORE YOU, I MEAN, I FEEL BAD BECAUSE YOU, YOU KIND OF HAD TO GO BACK, YOU KNOW, RETWEAK EVERYTHING. 
          'CAUSE WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW IT SOONER, BUT, WELL, SO MY QUESTION IS LITTLE LOGISTICAL ROUND. 
          IF WE'RE GOING TO STRETCH IT OUT OVER THREE YEARS AND NOT TAKE IT ALL RIGHT NOW, THEN WE'RE GONNA STRETCH THIS COURT OUT. 
          BUT WE'RE GONNA GET ANOTHER INCREASE. 
          ANOTHER INCREASE. 
          WE'LL NEVER CATCH. 
          I'M WONDERING IF WE JUST NEED TO BITE THE BULLET AT THIS YEAR AND GET LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, A FLAT SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE. 
          I AGREE THAT, I AGREE THAT JANUARY WAS A DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE. 
          WE WERE ONLY TALKING A CERTAIN AMOUNT. 
          WE WERE TALKING THREE TO $400,000. 
          NOW WE'RE TALKING, WELL, WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING LESS THAN THAT NOW. 
          WE'RE TALKING OVER A HALF A MILLION OR RIGHT AROUND A HALF A MILLION. 
          SO IT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION. 
          I, MY OPINION IS JUST TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD TO, TO CUT THE COST, PASS THEM ON. 
          AS COUNCILMAN WOOD SAID, UM, I BELIEVE BJ SAID IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $200,000 THIS YEAR OR PER YEAR. 
          ABOUT 200, 250,000. 
          200. 
          200, 3000. 
          SO THAT'S, UM, OKAY. 
          THE COUNTY HAS MORE MONEY TO GIVE TO, UH, WHAT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE TO THE YOUTH OF THE COUNTY THEN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE, SO SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL GO AHEAD THEN AND PUT THAT ON, UM, THE SEPTEMBER WORK SESSION. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, NOT WORK SESSION, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE WOULD, WE COULD, WE WOULD TAKE, WE COULD TAKE ACTION THAT NIGHT IF COUNSEL DECIDED TO, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING. 
          WE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. 
          NO, NO. 
          WHAT DID YOU SAY? UH, UM, COUNCILMAN  ASKED IF WE COULD DO IT SOONER. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING BUTTONED UP BY TOMORROW MORNING TO MAKE THE GEORGE . 
          BUT WE DID MAKE THE AUGUST WORK, UH, AUGUST, UH, PUBLIC, UH, HEARING. 
          BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY SHOOT FOR THE SEPTEMBER. 
          'CAUSE AT LEAST YOU'RE SAYING UNTIL OCTOBER WE MIGHT NOT BE TERRIBLY GOING IN THE RED, BUT BY OCTOBER, ONCE OCTOBER HITS, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE RED . 
          I THINK IT NEEDS TO GO AND, AND BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THESE ORDINANCES. 
          BUT CAN WE ENTERTAIN THE FACT THAT, CAN WE ENTERTAIN WHY IT IS THAT WE'RE, I MEAN, WHY 
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IT IS WE'RE ALLOWING COUNTY CITIZENS TO HAVE A SERVICE THAT, THAT OUR CITIZENS ARE PAYING FOR. 
          WE CAN BRING THAT BACK AS A FUTURE WORKS SESSION ITEM. 
          SO, 'CAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT THE END OF THE DAY WE NEED TO EVALUATE THAT. 
          AND AS I SAID, I THINK THE, THE YEARS OF USING THAT FARM, I CALL IT THE FARM, IS LIMITED, UH, ONCE THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS UP IN THAT AREA. 
          SO, SO WHY DIDN'T THE COUNTY JUST GO AHEAD, JUST BILL US DIRECTLY TO THEIR OWN SYSTEM? I MEAN, WHY ARE THEY THROWING US AT THE TOWN? I MEAN, WE, AS COUNTY RESIDENTS, I MEAN, I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING WHY DIDN'T COUNT. 
          THERE'S AN ENTERPRISE TOO, DON'T IT OUT. 
          WELL, I KNOW, BUT OH, I GUESS IT'S JUST TWO. 
          YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO THEIRS IS NOT AN ENTERPRISE FUND. 
          THEIRS, THEIRS WOULD BE OUT, THIS WOULD BE OUT OF THEIR GENERAL FUND, WHICH THEY COULD MAKE DONATIONS, BUT YEAH. 
          BUT THEY, UM, THEY JUST SEND A BILL THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, HEY, HERE, YOUR TIPPING $2 FOUR, FIVE OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER. 
          I MEAN, LOOK, I, I UNDERSTAND I'M A COUNTY CITIZEN TOO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE, THEY'RE IN A, THEY'RE IN A ROUGH SPOT RIGHT NOW. 
          THEY'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME REVENUE. 
          UM, THEY ALREADY RAISED TAXES. 
          SO I GET THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO, UM, TRYING TO RECOVER, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SITUATIONS THAT THEY'RE IN, BUT THEY'RE DOING THAT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE TOWN CITIZENS WHO ALSO COUNSEL EXACTLY. 
          THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY IS, BUT I JUST, I FEEL A LITTLE BIT AS THOUGH IF I LIVED IN THE COUNTY, I COULD DROP MY TRASH OFF THERE FOR NOTHING. 
          BUT, BUT OUR TOWN, OUR TOWN CITIZENS ARE REALLY PAYING FOR THE TRANSFER STATION AND THEY'RE ALSO PAYING TO HAVE THEIR TRASH TAKEN THERE. 
          AND SOMETHING ABOUT THAT JUST, AND MAYBE I, MAYBE IT'S JUST SOME, MAYBE I'M THINKING ABOUT TOO SIMPLY. 
          I KEEP THINKING THAT MAYBE I'M JUST, WE GOT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR WE GOT IT ON NEXT WORK. 
          YEP. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR WORK. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          MAYBE NEXT TIME IT WON'T BE QUITE AS DRAWN OUT DETAILS. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR THANK ATTENTION. 
          MICHELLE. 
          I BELIEVE YOU'RE UP NEXT WITH THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN. 
          GADA FOR YES MA'AM. 
          ACTUALLY YOU'RE THE NEXT THREE. 
          YOU'RE THIS ONE AND TWO MORE. 
          GET YOU BOTTLE WATER. 
          YEAH, OF COURSE. 
          BEFORE YOU GET UP THERE, TAKE THAT WATER BOTTLE WITH ME. 
          UNFORTUNATELY IT STRONG , WHO KNEW SOLID WASTES WOULD BE STOMACH. 
          WE READY? YEAH, WE ARE. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          SO, UM, ITEM THREE A ON THE AGENDA IS THE, UM, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT SCADA VISUALIZATION SYSTEM UPGRADE. 
          UM, SO COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO APPROVE THE PROCUREMENT OF THE HARDWARE, SOFTWARE AND SERVICE TO UPGRADE THE CURRENT WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT SCADA SYSTEM TO AN INDUCTIVE IGNITION FOR THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF $153,750. 
          UH, THE METHOD OF PROCUREMENT IS COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING UTILIZING THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF STATE COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY PURCHASING PROFESSIONALS CONTRACT BETWEEN JAMES MADISON UNIVERSITY AND FAMILY AUTOMATION INCORPORATED. 
          AND WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET BOARD. 
          YEP. 
          WE HAVE MONEY ON THE BUDGET. 
          12,000 EXTRA IN THE BUDGET BOARD, RIGHT? YEP. 
          SO YEAH. 
          ANYBODY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. CAMPBELL ABOUT THAT? NOPE, MA'AM. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? YES. 
          UM, AND I WANNA CLARIFY, WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, RIGHT? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT GOING ON CONSENT AGENDA? OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I, I'M WANT TO INTERRUPT HER ON THIS NEXT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, SHE HASN'T EVEN GOTTEN THERE YET. 
          I HAVE YOU, I KNOW THREE BS PURCHASED THE TWO DUMP TRUCK. 
          IT'S TWO DUMP TRUCKS. 
          SHE'S GONE THROUGH THIS WITH US BEFORE. 
          I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE STRAIGHT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          ALL RIGHT, WELL, ANYBODY ELSE WANNA HEAR ABOUT IT OR JUST, WELL, YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          I JUST THINK WE USUALLY READ THE SUMMARY FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONSENT AGENDA AND TRANSPARENCY, AND THAT'S WHERE WE READ SUMMARY. 
          OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          SO THIS IS FOR THE PURCHASE OF TWO DUMP TRUCK CHASSIS TO REPLACE, UH, TWO, 2002 YEAR DUMP TRUCK CHASSIS. 
          UM, UH, SO THIS, THERE'S TO BE USED FOR PERFORM ROAD WORK AND SNOW REMOVAL DUTIES FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. 
          THE METHOD OF PROCUREMENT IS ALSO COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING, UH, USING THE VIRGINIA SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION CONTRACT, UM, WITH EXCEL TRUCK GROUP OUT OF WHERE'S K WEST VIRGINIA, UH, AS THE VENDOR, UM, THE AMOUNT FOR THE PURCHASE OF ONE IS $97,976. 
          AND IF WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THE APPROVAL FOR TWO, UM, WE'RE GONNA SAY 5% . 
          WELL, THAT'S PROVIDING THAT 
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YES. 
          HOPEFULLY IF WE CAN GET IT ON THE SCHEDULE BEFORE JANUARY 1ST OR THE FIRST QUARTER. 
          FIRST QUARTER, YEAH. 
          UM, AND ACTUALLY SOMEBODY HAS TO CANCEL AN ORDER BEFORE WE CAN GET IN THAT SLOT. 
          SO WE STILL MAY END UP IN CURING THE 5% INCREASE. 
          SO WE SO IT'S ALREADY IN THE BUDGET? YES, IT IS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET. 
          ACTUALLY. 
          A LITTLE BETTER. 
          A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          WE HAVE TO BUY THE BEDS FOR 'EM STILL. 
          RIGHT? NO, I KNEW THAT WASN'T, BUT ANYWAY, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS OR, OKAY. 
          EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THIS BEING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          I, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          I DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAD TO BUY BIDS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA REUSE 'EM, BUT WE DON'T. 
          MOST TIME BY THEN, THERE'S NOTHING. 
          I MEAN, THEY'RE PRETTY WELL SHOT. 
          YOU ALUMINUM BIDS THAT Y'ALL GOT NOW SHOT? YEAH. 
          ALL THE BEATING ROCK AND ASPHALT. 
          WE PATCHED 'EM AND STUFF. 
          I THOUGHT Y'ALL WERE USING THE OLD ONES, THE, THE OTHER BEDS. 
          SO I GUESS IT'S A BJ QUESTION. 
          IF WE GET THE TRUCKS OR WHEN WE GET THE TRUCKS, DO WE HAVE THE MONEY TO EQUIP THEM? MM-HMM. 
           WE DO. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S THE EXTRA MONEY. 
          WE'RE GOOD. 
          WE WILL THESE SOMETIMES, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THESE, BUT WE SELL THE OTHERS, THE OLDER ONES AT AN AUCTION AND WE TRY TO RECOVER A LITTLE SOMETHING FOR THEM. 
          SO ALSO THEY ARE LIKE IN ROUGH SHAPE. 
          IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE GUYS DOWN THERE THAT CAN WELD, THAT'S NOT EVEN THEIR JOB. 
          I MEAN, THEY MAKE THOSE TRUCKS LAST LONGER THAN I DON'T, ESPECIALLY SALT TRUCKS. 
          PRETTY MUCH WITH THAT, WHAT JOHN WAS SAYING ABOUT OUR EQUIPMENT LASTING LONGER. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MS. MS. KIM, YOU'RE ON TO THE NEXT OH, GO AHEAD. 
          DID YOU QUESTION? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I, I THOUGHT THERE WAS CORRESPONDENCE THAT, THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THAT DEEPER DISCOUNT AND ALL THIS WAS JUST WONDERING HOW DID SOMEONE GET IN FRONT OF SO GUESS? NO. 
          SO WE DID GET A DEEPER DISCOUNT ON THE, THE ONE, THE FIRST ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE SECOND ONE. 
          WE HAVE TO WAIT, IF IT'S APPROVED FOR, SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO CANCEL THEIR ORDER FOR US TO THE ORDER. 
          ONE OTHER PERSON, JUST ONE PERSON NEEDS TO CANCEL. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE NEXT ITEM IS THREE C ABOUT CURB AND GUTTER REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION SERVICES. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, PUBLIC WORKS IS MAKING AN REQUEST TO PURCHASE THE CURB AND GUTTER REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION. 
          UM, THE METHOD OF PROCUREMENT IS COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING, AGAIN USING THE VIRGINIA PROCUREMENT OF GENERAL SERVICES CONTRACT WITH 40 AND JOB ORDER CONTRACTING AND, UH, FH PASSION OF MCLEAN, VIRGINIA. 
          THE SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING STREETS, WASHINGTON AVENUE, EAST SEVENTH STREET, FELLER AVENUE, SHERWOOD AVENUE, AND JAMESTOWN ROAD. 
          AND THE DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY HAS, UM, THE COST, THE TOTAL COST OF 443. 
          WAIT, ACTUALLY $449,760 BUDGET. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? SO THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE PLACES. 
          WASHINGTON AVENUE, EAST SEVENTH STREET, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WHERE'S THE CUL-DE-SAC IN WASHINGTON AVENUE. 
          I SHOULD BE A NEW ONE OH PIECE. 
          HAVE TO BACK THE TRASH TRUCK'S ALL THE WAY DOWN. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DRIVEWAY TO PUT ONE IN SO THEY CAN JUST TURN AROUND. 
          STAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS, 'CAUSE I KEPT THINKING I DON'T KNOW WHERE BACK TOWARDS WASTEWATER ON THAT SIDE. 
          OKAY, GOTCHA. 
          CHERYL, IS IT JUST OFF THE OF THE HILL OR IS IT ALL THE WAY TO CHERRY STREET? I WANNA SAY IT'S ALL THE WAY TO CHERRY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S FROM LOU RAY CHERRY ALL THE WAY TO CHERRY. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA PUT WATER IN BEFOREHAND PLAN. 
          I, I GUESS IT EITHER FOR ROBBIE OR, OR JOE. 
          SO WE DO NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY OR ABILITY TO DO THIS WORK OURSELVES. 
          WE DO, BUT IT'S NOT AT THE SCALE. 
          RIGHT. 
          TO DO THIS CARBON GUTTER. 
          I MEAN, IT WOULD TAKE US FOREVER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEY'RE ADDING A DA RAMPS TO THE I SEE. 
          OR IT SURE WOULD HAVE. 
          YEAH, WELL, A LOT THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          PLUS WE'RE ONLY GETTING ONE LU OF CONCRETE ON STREET. 
          OH, I THINK IT IS SHERWOOD AVENUE. 
          I THINK IT'S JUST SHERWOOD AVENUE. 
          BUT THERE WAS TWO, TWO RAMPS AT SOME POINT IN THE, MAYBE IT'S SHERWOOD AVENUE TWO, IT MIGHT BE THAT'S SAY 88 RAMPS. 
          SO HOPEFULLY UNDER WHAT IT DOES SAY PLURAL, A DA RAMPS. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT IS, AND I DON'T REMEMBER READING, THEY SHUT THE PLANT DOWN IT SHERWOOD AND, UM, THE OTHER ONE DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE WE GOOD? YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? WE'LL ADD THAT TO THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WELL. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU, MS. THANK YOU ALL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THE NEXT, UM, ITEM WAS, 
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UM, WE, WE WERE APPROACHED ABOUT A RESOLUTION REQUESTING ADDITIONAL HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS. 
          THIS ACTUALLY WAS, UH, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT WORK SESSION. 
          WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS AND PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE COPN. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW MISS C-O-P-D-I WAS LIKE, I KNEW IT WASN'T THAT. 
          UM, BUT COPN, WHICH IS THE, UM, CERTIFICATE, CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC NEED. 
          ANYWAY, JUST ASKING IF THERE IS AN INTEREST IN THIS. 
          A COUPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, REQUESTED THAT WE LOOK AT THAT RESOLUTION OR THAT WE, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO EXPLORE? DO WE WANNA LOOK INTO THIS? AND REALLY MORE SO THAN WE WANNA LOOK INTO THIS, I BELIEVE THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE A TOWN AND COUNTY THING. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS ALSO BROUGHT TO THE COUNTY. 
          IF, IF COUNSEL HAS A DESIRE FOR US TO TALK ABOUT THIS, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, IT'D BE ON A LIAISON MEETING. 
          BE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FIRST OFF, OBVIOUSLY COUNSEL NEEDS TO DECIDE, DO, DO YOU EVEN WANNA ENTERTAIN SOMETHING LIKE THIS? AND IF SO, THEN PUTTING IT ON, UH, A LIAISON MEETING, WHICH BY THE WAY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN THE NEXT, THE I I, UM, I NEVER HEARD ANYMORE ABOUT RESCHEDULING THE ONE FROM JULY. 
          AND THIS IS AUGUST, THE NEXT ONE WOULDN'T BE UNTIL OCTOBER. 
          UM, AND I'M ASSUMING ON OCTOBER THAT ANY ITEM THAT WAS ON THE JULY IS GONNA ALSO BE ON THE OCTOBER. 
          SO IT SHOULD BE A LONG ONE. 
          DON'T ALL Y'ALL JUMP IN AT ONCE, SO WHO WANTS TO COMPANY ME TO IT? UM, BUT, UH, ANYWAY, UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? THE IRONY IN THIS RESOLUTION BEING READ ON THAT MONDAY WAS I WAS HOSPITALIZED LOCALLY RIGHT AFTER THAT MEETING, UM, FOR A BIT AND CONTINUED TO DEAL WITH ISSUES. 
          AND I WENT INTO THE HOSPITAL LIKE, OH MY GOSH, THEY DIDN'T, THEY KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE LACK OF HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS. 
          AND MY NURSE AND MY DOCTOR BOTH WERE IN SUPPORT OF THAT RESOLUTION. 
          UM, AND ACTUALLY THE PERSON WHO DID MY CT SCANS AS WELL. 
          SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING. 
          AND THEN MY FOLLOW UP REQUIRED A SPECIALIST IN FRONT ROYAL, AND WHEN I CALLED, THEY CLOSED THEIR DOORS BECAUSE OF THE, UH, MONOPOLY REFERRED ME TO A PLACE IN WINCHESTER, CALLED THEM, THEY COULD SEE ME THE WEEK OF CHRISTMAS. 
          AND, UH, SHE SAID A SIDE NOTE, WE HAD A DOCTOR LEAVE BECAUSE OF THAT, AND HE WENT DOWN TO NORTHERN VIRGINIA. 
          HE'S ABOUT AN HOUR AND 40 MINUTES AWAY IF HE WANTED TO SEE HIM. 
          CALLED HIM AND THEY HAD AVAILABILITY THE FIRST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER. 
          SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING IN HEALTHCARE LOCALLY ARE AWARE OF AND FRUSTRATED WITH, UM, THAT OUR, OUR ER I WAS TOLD WHEN I WENT IN THROUGH THERE BEFORE THEY SENT ME FURTHER ON THROUGH THAT IT'S BEING USED FOR PRIMARY CARE FACILITY. 
          RIGHT NOW. 
          PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THE ER FOR PRIMARY CARE BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WANNA OFFER ANYTHING? YEAH, I THINK IT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPLORED ON. 
          YOU KNOW, THE KEY BEHIND ALL OF THIS IS, UH, THE, THE, IN THE, THE INCENTIVE OF HOW TO ATTRACT, UH, THESE, UH, UH, CARE FACILITIES. 
          UM, IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, I, UH, TO A POINT OF NOTE ABOUT WOMEN'S CARE AND THE, THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A BIRTHING CENTER. 
          UM, WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, THERE'S ALL, THERE'S ALL TYPES OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          UH, UM, I'LL REFER TO MID MIDWIFERY, UH, 12 HERE, HOSPITAL OFFERED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND EVEN MARSHALL VIRGINIA HAS ONE OF COURSE THERE 12 MILES FROM A, UH, HAY MARKET AND THEN 10 MILES FROM  HOSPITAL. 
          BUT, UH, SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT I, I AGREE, UH, SHOULD BE EXPLORED. 
          SO, UH, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT OTHER INPUT. 
          NO, I, I SECOND WHAT BRUCE WAS SAYING. 
          I MEAN, NO, WHAT HE SAYING, BECAUSE THEY NEED NEED LIKE A NE NEONATAL CARE WE HAVE AND IT CAN'T BE DONE IN OTHER COMMUN, I MEAN, THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, FOR, UH, NORTHERN VIRGINIA, FOR INSTANCE, INOVA WAS, WAS DOMINANT HEALTHCARE PROVIDER THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS. 
          BUT WE'VE SEEN IN THAT AREA WHERE OTHER HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS HAVE COME IN AND, AND BEEN THRIVING BECAUSE OF JUST, JUST, JUST A NEED FOR, NEED FOR MEDICAL CARE, YOU KNOW, AND NOT EVEN LOOKING AT IT FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT, JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM A, A PROVIDING STANDPOINT. 
          I MEAN, 
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AGAIN, IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH TO, TO, UH, REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, HECK, OUR MEDICAL SERVICES HERE HAVE BEEN DOWNGRADED. 
          I MEAN, SINCE THE NEW HOSPITALS THERE, THEY'RE BEEN SERVICES THAT ARE TAKEN AWAY. 
          SO, I MEAN, , SOME OF THE SERVICES ARE LIKE, THE CARDIAC PART ACTUALLY IS A BIGGER, I, I WON'T SAY A BIGGER DEAL, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, THEY, THEY'RE DOING MORE WITH CARDIAC. 
          I THINK THERE'S LIKE CARDIAC CATH LAB. 
          DON'T ASK ME WHY I KNOW ALL THIS, BUT JUST SAYING A CARDIAC CATH IS, UM, BUT GOT RID OF OTHER SERVICES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO, UM, BUT I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE WAY OF DOING IT, I MEAN, IF WE COULD LOOK AT HOW OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE GONE ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DONE, IT'S DONE, BEEN DONE IN OTHER COUNTIES. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS NOT FROM, YOU KNOW, THE FACT OF THE TAX REVENUE THAT WE'RE LOSING FROM THE ONE MONOPOLY THAT THERE IS IN THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY, BUT WE'RE AT A HUMAN HEALTH AND SAFETY HAZARD AT THIS POINT. 
          THERE ARE PEOPLE DELIVERING BABIES IN THE ER AT WARREN MEMORIAL HOSPITAL. 
          THERE ARE PEOPLE DELIVERING BABIES IN THE PARKING GARAGE AT WINCHESTER MEDICAL CENTER BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T PREPARED FOR THE OVER CAPACITY. 
          THERE ARE PEOPLE WAITING FOR CANCER TREATMENTS ON THREE MONTH LONG, FOUR MONTH LONG WAITS. 
          I MEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A SINGLE SPECIALIST OR DOCTOR THAT I HAVE THAT I DON'T TRAVEL TO SEE. 
          AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL THAT I HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT, AND I CAN AFFORD TO AND HAVE A VEHICLE. 
          BUT THE REALITY IS THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN WARREN COUNTY DON'T HAVE THAT SAME LUXURY. 
          THEY TAKE THE TROLLEY SYSTEM AND THE BUS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEY HAVE TO TAKE WHAT THEY CAN GET. 
          SO, WELL, WELL, VALLEY HEALTH TOO, JUST, JUST ACCORDING TO THE WINCHESTER STAR ARTICLE, READ RECENTLY LOST 71, 71 0.8 MILLION IN 2022. 
          2023, THEY HAD A NET REVENUE POSITIVE OF 77.8 MILLION THREE. 
          AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, DO THE MATH, THAT'S NOT A LOT. 
          BUT STILL THEY'RE OPERATING IN RECOVERY MODE STILL FROM THE PANDEMIC. 
          SO THEY'RE STILL LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE PENNY THAT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, NOT, NOT PROFIT, NOT FOR PROFIT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT OPERATING AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND AGAIN, AS, AS OUR MAJOR HEALTHCARE PROVIDER HERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS AN, IT HAS AN IMPACT ON WHAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING AN IMPACT OF THAT. 
          SO, SO THE QUESTION IS, DOES COUNCIL WISH FOR US TO, UM, HAVE, UM, HAVE STAFF AT LEAST RESEARCH ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT OR SEE CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC NEED? AND IF SO, TO SHARE THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY? 'CAUSE I, I DON'T, I, I DON'T THINK THIS COULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD JUST DO BY OURSELVES. 
          I THINK IT WOULD ALL WOULD HAVE TO BE, WE CAN'T ADOPT THE RESOLUTION RIGHT BELOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, 41,000 VERSUS 15,000. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PUT ON A LIAISON MEETING. 
          I DON'T THINK THE C-O-P-N-I MEAN, GEORGE HAS LOOKED INTO THAT. 
          WE'VE DISCUSSED IT WHEN COUNCILMAN LLOYD WAS HERE. 
          UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE A HEALTHCARE PROVIDER WILLING AND READY AND ABLE TO COME IN BEFORE WE CAN ENDORSE THE COPN AS THE WAY THAT IT WAS PRESENTED YEARS AGO. 
          AND A RESOLUTION, I THINK THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT WOULD ALMOST BE LIKE, , PLEASE COME, LIKE, LIKE ADVERTISING TO ANYONE. 
          HEY, WE WOULD BE, WE WOULD ENTERTAIN. 
          THERE'S A NEED HERE, AN ADDITIONAL, SO I DON'T THINK, WOULD THERE BE ANY PROBLEM? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PROBLEM PER SE. 
          IF WE WANTED TO DO SOME RESEARCH PRIOR TO THE LIAISON MEETING, THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MORE WE CAN FIND OUT OR CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISCUSSION. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN WAIT UNTIL THAT MEETING, I THINK HE HAS THAT RESEARCH. 
          'CAUSE WE, FORMER COUNSELS DISCUSSED THIS WITH GEORGE THING. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE HIM SEND THAT TO YOU SO EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH AT LEAST PUTTING THIS ON THE OCTOBER LIAISON MEETING. 
          BUT NOT NECESSARILY WAITING UNTIL JUST THEN TO, IF WE CAN GATHER ANY INFORMATION. 
          AND OF COURSE, I WOULD ALWAYS ENCOURAGE COUNSEL TO, YOU KNOW, TO, UM, LOOK FOR INFORMATION TOO ON THEIR OWN. 
          OR, OR MAYBE NOW THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IT, WE'LL HEAR MORE FROM OUR CITIZENS, ACCORDING TO THE MEDICAL SOCIETY OF VIRGINIA. 
          AND THEY QUOTE, IN THE YEARS SINCE VIRGINIA'S COPN HAS FAILED TO IMPROVE ACCESS CONTROL COSTS AND ENSURE QUALITY COPN RESTRICTS ACCESS FOR VIRGINIA'S MOST VULNERABLE, VULNERABLE PATIENTS, WHICH IS, AS WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW, UM, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT STATES WITH COP THAT STATES WITH COPN PROVIDE MORE CHARITY CARE. 
          JUST A COUPLE POINTS. 
          UM, VIRGINIA HEALTH INFORMATION SHOWS THAT MOST SERVICES ARE CHEAPER IN P PHYSICIAN OFFICES. 
          AND YET C-O-N-C-O-P-N RESTRICTS MORE SERVICES AND FACILITIES FROM BEING OFFERED AND UNDER TO UNDERSERVED, UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES. 
          AM I INTERPRET, AM I INTERPRETING 
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WHAT YOU'RE JUST SAYING IN THE WRONG WAY? 'CAUSE THAT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE A-C-O-P-N WOULD NOT BE A POSITIVE THING. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. 
          IT CN ARE VERY EXPENSIVE TO FILE ALSO. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A-C-O-P-N TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION. 
          WE JUST OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THE RE PUT IN FRONT OF THE OTHER, WE HAVE TONS OF COMMERCIAL SPACE AVAILABLE. 
          THERE ARE PLENTY OF SICK PEOPLE HERE COME. 
          YEAH. 
          SO LIAISON MEETING MS. PRESLEY, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE EARLY 'CAUSE IT'S ONLY AUGUST, BUT THAT COULD BE AN ITEM ON THE LIAISON MEETING AND HOPEFULLY THE COUNTY WILL BE GOOD WITH THAT. 
          THAT AS WELL TO, UM, DISCUSS IT. 
          SO, MR. WALTZ, WHILE THIS IS OLD BUSINESS, I'M SUPER LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS 'CAUSE I'M EXCITED FOR YOU TO SHARE THIS WITH NOT JUST, UH, US BUT REALLY FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          SO, ALRIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU. 
          GET LOTS OF INFORMATION, BRENDA, RECOGNIZING THAT, UM, IT IS 10 TO NINE. 
          I I WILL TRY TO BE EFFICIENT WITH YOUR TIME, BUT WE DO HAVE A COUPLE THINGS I, I DEFINITELY WANNA TALK ABOUT. 
          SO THIS IS MY QUARTERLY UPDATE TO COUNCIL ON OUR GOALS. 
          UH, I PLAN TO COME BACK IN NOVEMBER, UM, TO GIVE, GIVE COUNSEL AND THE PUBLIC AN UPDATE. 
          UH, GOT SOME GOOD NEWS IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS. 
          SO I THOUGHT I'D GO BACK AND RECAP OUR FY 23 GOALS FROM OUR MARCH OF 23 RETREAT. 
          AND TWO THINGS THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT. 
          ONE GOAL, UH, COME OUT OF THAT RETREAT WAS OUR LAND USE PLANNING GOAL THEME AREA. 
          AND ONE OF OUR TOP ITEMS OUT OF THAT MARCH RETREAT WAS TO APPROVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WE DID THAT WE FINALLY GOT THAT APPROVED ON AUGUST 28TH. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER GOAL IN THE LAND USE THEME WAS REWRITING THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. 
          I AM PLEASED TO SAY THAT AT LEAST THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL START THIS LONG ENDEAVOR OF GOING THROUGH THAT SUBDIVISION, UH, AND ZONING ORDINANCE STARTING THIS WEDNESDAY. 
          SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT THAT THOSE WERE GOALS ON TOP OF OUR MIND IN 23 THAT WERE MAKING PROGRESS. 
          WALKABILITY WAS THAT OTHER THEME. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT I'M REALLY PLEASED ABOUT, IS WE GOT FORMAL WRITTEN NOTIFICATION THAT WE DID WIN THE AWARD FOR THE WEST CHRYSLER SIDEWALK. 
          AND ACTUALLY TODAY I'VE GOT ALL THE PAPERWORK BACK FROM VDOT. 
          SO THAT PROJECT IS SIGNED, SEALED, AND DELIVERED. 
          WOW. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I GOTTA COMMEND, UH, COMMEND COUNCIL FOR MAKING THAT A PRIORITY IN OUR MARCH RETREAT OF 23. 
          AND I GOTTA COMMEND STAFF BECAUSE A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THAT. 
          UH, JUST TO RECAP THAT PROJECT, UH, THAT PROJECT IS, UH, COST ESTIMATE THROUGH VDOT IS $3.1 MILLION. 
          UM, AND THIS IS FROM ROUTE THREE 40 TO SKYLINE VISTA. 
          UH, THIS IS THROUGH A FEDERAL GRANT THROUGH VDOT CALLED THE TAPS PROGRAM, TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE PROGRAM. 
          THIS IS AN 80 20. 
          SO VDOT IS AWARDING US THREE, UH, AWARDING US 2.5 MILLION. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE 648,000, WHICH COUNSEL, UH, DID ALLOCATE 500, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, CLOSE TO FIVE OR 60 SOMETHING AROUND 5 55. 
          SO WE WE'RE, WE'RE REAL CLOSE ON THAT DELTA. 
          UH, ONE THING I WANTED TO REMIND COUNSEL IS THIS, UH, IS A FEDERAL GRANT AND VDOT ADMINISTERS THIS PROJECT. 
          SO VDOT MOVES AT THEIR OWN PACE. 
          UH, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE DOWNSIDES OF GRANT MONEY IS YOU'VE GOT TO WORK ON THEIR TIME SCHEDULE. 
          SO REALISTICALLY, WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT THREE YEARS TO CONSTRUCTION ON THIS PROJECT. 
          I WILL SAY THAT WE, WE, WE HAVEN'T BEEN, UH, ASSIGNED A PROJECT MANAGER YET, BUT THEY WILL START LAND ACQUISITION THIS FALL. 
          'CAUSE THAT WILL BE THE BIGGEST HURDLE, PARTICULARLY DEALING WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , MR. WA, THE DELINEATORS THAT WERE ACTUALLY PRIVATELY FUNDED THAT, THAT ARE THERE ON KRA ROAD. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS, ARE THOSE REMOVABLE? REUSABLE? I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT WHEN I WAS DOWN THERE THE OTHER DAY. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY TOOK 'EM OUT HER LINE PAINT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S GOT A PIN. 
          YOU PULL. 
          SO IT, SO IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE USED IN ANOTHER SPOT, YOU KNOW, IN TOWN OR WHATEVER. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS NOT, THAT'S BELOW VISTA DRIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE FROM VISTA DRIVE TO BLUE AVENUE, BUT IF WE WERE EVER TO BE ABLE TO DO THE REST OF IT, WE CAN USE THOSE DELINEATORS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO RECAP BECAUSE THING TO RECOGNIZE IS EVEN THE GOALS THAT WE ESTABLISHED IN JANUARY DO TAKE SOME TIME TO GET DONE. 
          SO WE'RE, I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF GO THROUGH THOSE THREE AREAS THAT WE DEVELOP. 
          GOALS. 
          FIRST WAS PROMOTE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC WELLBEING. 
          FIRST ONE WAS STRATEGY TO INCREASE CODE ENFORCEMENT BY OCTOBER 1ST, 2024. 
          I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE DID HAVE SOME STAFFING CHANGES IN THE PLANNING ZONING IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA WHERE WE ARE, WE ARE NOW BACK STAFFED AND GETTING BACK UP TO SPEED. 
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UH, I THINK THE STRATEGY, REALISTICALLY LOOKING AT IT, THE STRATEGY'S MANPOWER, LABOR AND I THINK THAT, UM, BUT UNTIL WE GET THE NEW STAFF MEMBER UP TO FULL SPEED, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A STRATEGY YET. 
          SO WE WILL PROBABLY BE DELAYED ON THAT ONE SOME BY OCTOBER 1ST. 
          THE NEXT WAS TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT A STRATEGY THAT WILL ADDRESS BLIGHT. 
          UM, WE DID HAVE A LONG WORK SESSION ON MARCH 3RD ON THAT. 
          I WILL TELL YOU THAT STAFF CAME OUT OF THAT MEETING WITH DIRECTION. 
          WE TOOK MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE OF OUR WORST CASES AND START ADMINISTRATIVELY TRYING TO DEAL WITH THAT. 
          WE ARE MAKING SOME PROGRESS. 
          WE ARE MAKING SOME MOVEMENT. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK IN SEPTEMBER AND BRIEF COUNSEL ON WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR TO DATE ON THAT. 
          AND THEN, UH, PROVIDE FRIDA A REVENUE SOURCE OR FUNDING BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2024. 
          SO THOSE WERE THE THREE FOR PROMOTE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC WELLBEING. 
          UH, MOVING TO THE NEXT AREA PRACTICE, GOOD GOVERNANCE. 
          THE FIRST ONE WAS PRODUCTION AND DISTRIBUTION OF AN ANNUAL REPORT. 
          WE GOT THAT COMPLETED. 
          THAT IS UP ON THE WEBSITE. 
          I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A GREAT DOCUMENT MOVING FORWARD. 
          IT MEMORIALIZES A LOT OF OUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE A BENEFIT. 
          SECOND IS DEVELOP, ADMINISTER A COMMUNITY SATISFACTION SURVEY BY NOVEMBER 24. 
          I'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS ON THIS. 
          UH, BUT I, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL MAKE IT BY NOVEMBER, BUT I HOPEFULLY WILL BE BACK TO YOU IN NOVEMBER WITH, UH, A SCOPE AND WHAT IT FINANCIALLY WOULD COST US TO DO THAT INTERNALLY VERSUS EXTERNAL. 
          SO I WILL BE BACK, UH, AS I SAID, I HOPE TO COME BACK IN NOVEMBER TO KIND OF GIVE A QUICK UPDATE AGAIN, AND HOPEFULLY I'LL HAVE A REPORT BY THEN. 
          UH, GOAL THREE IS SPONSOR AN OPEN HOUSE BY DECEMBER 1ST. 
          WE DID OUR OPEN HOUSE ON JUNE 22ND. 
          UH, GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK. 
          DEFINITELY DON'T PICK IT IN THE HOTTEST PART OF THE YEAR. 
           DEFINITELY LEARNED THAT ONE DECEMBER. 
          I GOT THE SAME FEEDBACK ON OUR COMPANY PICNIC, NOT PICK THAT MONTH. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE LEARNING A LOT. 
          , UH, MOVING ON TO PRACTICE. 
          GOOD GOVERNANCE NUMBER FOUR IS SPONSORED INITIATIVES SUCH AS CITIZEN ACADEMY. 
          I AM WORKING ON THAT. 
          IT'S JUST NOT COMING TOGETHER AS I HOPE. 
          UM, BUT I'M HOPING TO HAVE SOME NEWS ON THAT IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS. 
          UH, GOAL FIVE WAS TO PROMOTE OUR RECENT COUNCIL RETREAT, WHICH WAS IN JANUARY OF, OF THIS YEAR. 
          WE GOT ALL THAT OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          GOAL NUMBER SIX WAS COMPUTE TO IMPROVE COMMUNICATIONS WITH OUR QUARTERLY NEWSLETTER. 
          WHAT THIS BOIL DOWN TO IS NOW COUNCIL HAS A CORNER, UH, IN OUR NEWSLETTER FOR THAT WE CAN PASS ON COUNCIL, UH, INFORMATION AND NEWS AND PROGRESS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO OUR LAST SECTION. 
          SUSTAINING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          COMPLETE THE LEACH RUN PARKWAY BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2024. 
          WE DID HAVE SOME PROGRESS LAST YEAR WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO WORK WITH, UH, GETTING OFF OUR DEQ PERMITS. 
          BEYOND THAT, THE LAND IS STILL TIED UP. 
          UM, HONESTLY, I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THIS DONE BY DECEMBER 31ST, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE LEGAL ISSUES ON THE, ON THE LAND. 
          BUT THE OBSTACLE IS NOT THE, THE OBSTACLE OF COMPLETING THAT IS REALLY OUT OF OUR CONTROL RIGHT AT THIS POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I THOUGHT WE WERE MAKING SOME GOOD HEADWAY LAST YEAR OF GETTING OFF THEM DEQ PERMITS, BUT NOW THEY HAVE A CHANGE IN STAFFING. 
          I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT LAYS AT. 
          SO GOAL NUMBER TWO, SUSTAIN A SECONDARY WATER SOURCE FOR THE TOWN. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SINCE I'VE BEEN BACK ON MCKAY SPRINGS DEVELOPMENT. 
          I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT NOW THAT COUNCIL HAS ALLOCATED MONEY FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO DO THAT, UH, EXPLORATION ON THAT PROJECT. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE BACK NEXT MONDAY. 
          UH, I HAVE CHA COMING IN AND THEY'RE GONNA TELL US WHAT OUR NEXT STEP IS TO EXPLORE THAT AS A WATER SOURCE. 
          SO WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS ON THAT FOR SURE. 
          GOAL NUMBER THREE, ENHANCE OUR WATER, SEWER, ELECTRIC AND SOLID WASTE. 
          COMPLETE THE REDUNDANT WATER LINE BY OCTOBER 1ST. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE THAT, MY GOAL IS TO GET THIS DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          AND I THINK REALISTICALLY, IF EVERYTHING FALLS INTO PLACE, GOOD WEATHER, UH, WE SHOULD GET THAT DONE. 
          AND THAT IS OUR GOAL MOVING FORWARD. 
          UH, DEVELOP A PLAN OF ACTION TO MAKE REPAIRS FOR BOTH CLEAR WELLS. 
          WE'VE GOT A PLAN. 
          IT'S ON THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT, BUT I CAN CHECK THAT OFF 'CAUSE WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          AND THEN TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN ADDRESSING OUR AGING SEWER SYSTEM IN I AND I, THIS IS AN ONGOING EFFORT. 
          UH, THE TOWN, ACTUALLY, THE TOWN IS, UH, PUT IN ABOUT 2.7 MILLION ACTUALLY. 
          AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE RECOGNIZED THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AT THE LAST REGULAR MEETING WAS BECAUSE OF THIS INVESTMENT IN THE WAY WE OPERATE OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN. 
          SO, UH, I WANNA TAKE A QUICK STEP BACK, TALK ABOUT THE PLAN OF ACTION FOR CLEAR WELLS. 
          THIS WAS, UH, A TOP GOAL AT OUR JANUARY RETREAT. 
          SO THE TOTAL PRO TOTAL COST FOR THIS PROJECT IS $1.4 MILLION. 
          I BREAK IT DOWN INTO WHERE CLEAR WELLS 
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AND CLEAR ONE TWO ARE. 
          UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT A CLEAR WELL IS, A CLEAR, WELL, WE HAVE TWO OF 'EM OUT AT THE PLANT. 
          THIS IS WHERE THEY STORE FINISHED WATER READY TO GO OUT TO THE SYSTEM. 
          SO THIS IS BASICALLY READY TO GO OUT WHEN IT'S READY. 
          IT'S ABOUT 750,000 GALLONS PER CLEAR. 
          WELL, SO RIGHT NOW, CHA IS WORKING ON A DESIGN AND BID SPECS TO REHAB THESE CLEAR WELLS. 
          THEY'LL BE DONE IN THE SPRING. 
          ONCE WE HAVE THAT, WE WILL BE ALLOCATING MONEY IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET TO START CONSTRUCTION OR START TO REHAB IN JULY. 
          ALRIGHT, AND THAT, THAT'S A FAST RECAP, BUT I WANTED TO, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO KEEP IN THE FOREFRONT WHAT OUR PRIMARY GOALS ARE, EVEN WHILE, UM, SO I PLAN TO COME BACK IN NOVEMBER AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A LOT MORE PROGRESS. 
          AT LEAST I, I GUARANTEE YOU WE'LL HAVE UPDATES ON THIS AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUSTICE. 
          I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU, UM, TO COUNCIL ACTUALLY AND STAFF, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT LAST YEAR WHEN I, UM, THIS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MR. WELL AND I TALKED ABOUT IS, IS BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY GOALS, BUT ALSO GETTING REPORTS ABOUT THEM. 
          YOU ALL KNOW THIS AS WELL AS I DO THAT SOMETIMES, OR IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, YOU SET A GOAL AND IT KIND OF WAS LIKE ON THE SHELF SOMEWHERE AND YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT BECAUSE WE NARROWED DOWN THOSE THREE AREAS AND IDENTIFIED GOALS, YOU CAN SEE FROM, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTING THAT WE ARE ACCOMPLISHING THINGS AND I THINK SOMETIMES WE FORGET TO, IT'S ALWAYS HARD TO TOOT YOUR OWN HORN, BUT I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD DO YOUR LEARN BECAUSE I THINK WE, NOBODY ELSE DOES. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          BRENDA. 
          BRENDA, I'M JUST KIDDING. 
          BUT, BUT, UH, BUT YEAH, SO I'M SORRY. 
          UH, BUT, BUT I'M, I'M, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU. 
          I, I THINK THAT IDENTIFYING THEM AND REALISTIC TOO, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAD THOSE LIKE LISTS OF STUFF, BUT NARROWING IT. 
          SO. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT ONE, AND I, I'LL BE QUICK ON THIS. 
          UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND, UH, THIS IS GONNA BE A PROJECT UPDATE. 
          IT'S SOMETHING I PUT TOGETHER FOR FRIDA. 
          UH, SOMETHING THEY ASKED ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO. 
          ME A LITTLE TIME TO GET THIS TOGETHER. 
          UH, I PRESENTED IT TO FRIDA TODAY AS WELL AT NOON. 
          AND SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL A RECAP OF THIS. 
          THIS WAS A REAL GOOD JOURNEY FOR ME AND STAFF. 
          UM, SO, UH, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF ACTIVE PROJECTS. 
          UM, WE'LL BREAK 'EM INTO TWO AREAS, WATER AND SEWER, WHICH ARE BASICALLY ENTERPRISE FUNDED BY THE SERVICE FEES. 
          AND THEN GENERAL FUND, WHICH ARE TAX DOLLARS. 
          STREETS, BRIDGES AND SIDEWALKS. 
          SO FIRST, WATER AND SEWER. 
          I WANNA TALK ABOUT WHAT WE JUST TALKING ABOUT. 
          REDUNDANT WATERLINE PROJECT. 
          UH, THIS TOTAL PROJECT, UH, COST IS $18 MILLION. 
          UH, WE STARTED THIS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE STARTED THIS IN JANUARY OF 23. 
          BUT WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS PROJECT, I WAS WORKING THIS PROJECT IN MY FIRST TENURE BEFORE I LEFT IN 2019. 
          SO THESE THINGS TAKE TIME. 
          UM, BUT REALISTICALLY TO, TO RECAP, WHAT THIS IS GONNA DO IS PROVIDE REDUNDANCY OUT TO THE CORRIDOR. 
          AND IT IS ALSO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS CREATED SOME LOOPS IN THE CORRIDOR. 
          SO WE'RE CREATING REDUNDANCY TO THE CORRIDOR AS WELL AS INSIDE THE CORRIDOR. 
          UM, SO, UH, NEXT I I BRING THIS UP. 
          THIS NEXT PROJECT'S NORTH ROYAL AVENUE WATERLINE UPGRADE PROJECT. 
          THIS IS BETWEEN NORTH COMMERCE AND WEST SIXTH STREET. 
          THIS IS REPLACEMENT OF A 12 INCH WATERLINE. 
          UH, ESTIMATED COST OF REPLACEMENT IS A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          I BELIEVE WE ARE JUST STARTING TO DO THE PRELIMINARY WORK ON THIS, RIGHT ROBBIE? YEAH. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY REAL TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE PROJECTS, I GOT ROBBIE IN THE WEIGHT WAITING ROOM HERE. 
          , UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND FLUENT PUMPS. 
          UH, THIS COST IS JUST A LITTLE, A LITTLE UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          UH, GOTTA COMMEND STAFF. 
          ONCE AGAIN, THESE PUMPS WERE ORIGINALLY INSTALLED IN 1976. 
          UH, YOU CAN'T GET THE USE OF EQUIPMENT YOU BUY TODAY FOR THAT LONG TERM. 
          UH, WE ARE REPLACING ALL FOUR PUMPS. 
          UM, WE SHOULD BE ESTIMATING COMPLETION PROBABLY OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER. 
          ROBBIE, CORRECT ME IF I MISSPEAK THE PUMP IN. 
          WE'RE JUST DOING ALL THE CONTROL CABINETS AND STUFF. 
          UH, AND THEN I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE SANITARY SEWER PROJECTS AT 2.7 MILLION. 
          WE'RE DOING PIPE REPLACEMENT, WHICH IS DIRECT PIPE REPLACEMENT. 
          WE'RE DOING REHAB AND LINING, WHICH SHOWS A PICTURE HERE, HOW WE LINE THE PIPES. 
          AND WE'RE ALSO DOING MAN MANHOLE REHAB AS WELL. 
          MAKES ME THINK ABOUT ALL THOSE TIMES. 
          REMEMBER WE WERE DOING SMOKE TESTS. 
          I'M JUST THINKING LIKE, I HOPE CITIZENS ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ALL LIKE, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? IT'S LIKE, THIS IS WHY WE WERE DOING IT. 
          SO, LOOKS LIKE A TERRACOTTA PIPE. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          IT'S ROLLING. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          UH, NICK CASE SPRINGS. 
          UH, WATER SOURCE DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THAT DURING THE GOAL SESSION. 
          UM, JUST TO RECAP, THE NASHVILLE SPRING THAT'S ON 
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THE SITE RIGHT NOW PRODUCES 700,000 GALLONS PER DAY. 
          WE'RE EXPLORING THIS AS A POSSIBLE SECOND WATER SOURCE WITH THE USE OF GROUND WELLS. 
          SO NEXT MONDAY, CHA WILL BE HERE AND THEY'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THAT SITE EVALUATION. 
          AND THESE ARE THE KEY POINTS. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE PRELIMINARY SITE DEVELOPMENT, WELL SITE ID, IDENTIFICATIONS, TEST WELLS, AND THEN COST. 
          'CAUSE REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. 
          NOT JUST COST BUT TIME. 
          I WANNA REMIND Y'ALL THAT THIS IS A LONG PLAY. 
          THIS IS PROBABLY 10 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT IF WE START TODAY. 
          UM, BUT THE IDEA, IN MY OPINION IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GET STARTED ON THIS. 
          IF IT'S A VIABLE SITE, THEN WE CAN HAVE IT READY FOR WHEN WE DO NEED IT. 
          SO THESE ARE JUST, I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST STEP FOR US TO EXPLORE THAT. 
          'CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY MAY EXPLORE THIS AND SAY THAT THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. 
          AND SO THAT IS WHAT THE NEXT STEP WE NEED TO TAKE. 
          I THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE REALLY DISAPPOINTED WHEN THEY REALIZE WE CAN'T JUST TAP IT AND START USING IT TOMORROW. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, CLEARWELL CLEARWELL PROJECT THAT'S JUST STARTED. 
          WE'RE DOING THE UH, DESIGN AND BIT SPECS IS KIND OF A, UH, DUPLICATION FROM THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. 
          ALRIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT STREETS AND BRIDGES 'CAUSE NEXT YEAR IS GONNA BE BRIDGE TIME BECAUSE WE GOT TWO BRIDGE PROJECTS GOING ON. 
          I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT, UH, EAST PROSPECT STREET BRIDGE, I GOT NOTIFICATION THAT WE GOT THE AWARD FOR THAT MONEY. 
          I HAVEN'T GOT FINAL NOTIFICATION ON THAT. 
          UH, THE TOTAL COST OF THIS IS A LITTLE, JUST NORTH OF 1.6 MILLION. 
          REMIND YOU THAT THIS IS A REVENUE SHARING 50 50 PROGRAM. 
          UM, THE DESIGN IS COMPLETE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          SO THIS POSSIBILITY WITH THIS ADDITIONAL FUNDING, WE, OR NOT ADDITIONAL FUNDING, BUT THE FUNDING, WE CAN START ON THIS PROJECT NEXT YEAR. 
          WOW. 
          WE NEED TO INVITE GARY GILLES. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR THE REASON OF THAT. 
          HE, HE AND HIS MOTHER. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, UH, MOVING ON TO EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE. 
          UH, THIS BRIDGE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1965. 
          YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT VIEW OF THE BRIDGE, WHY WE HAVE THE FLOODING ISSUES IS 'CAUSE OF THE FLOW. 
          UH, THE TOW COST TO THIS REPLACEMENT IS ROUGHLY 2.8 MILLION. 
          THIS IS ALSO ANOTHER REVENUE SHARING PROJECT. 
          THE FINAL DESIGN IS COMPLETE. 
          WE ARE GOING OUT FOR ADVERTISEMENTS MAYBE SOONER THAN OCTOBER . 
          SO THIS IS ANOTHER PROJECT BARRING MATERIAL AND PERMITS AND EVERYTHING ELSE COULD START NEXT YEAR AS WELL. 
          AND A MILLION DOLLARS OF WHAT WE HAD TO COME UP WITH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR OUR PAVING. 
          REMEMBER THAT? OH YEAH. 
          IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE OTHER THING AT THE LAST MINUTE WE HAD A MILLION DOLLARS AND WE HAD TO PUT IT TO THIS INSTEAD OF PAVING. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ONE THING I DIDN'T PREFACE WHEN I STARTED THIS CONVERSATION IS A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS WERE STARTED FUNDING YEARS AGO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, AND I THINK THAT COMMENDS COUNCIL FOR THAT BECAUSE WHEN WE DO DECIDE TO GET TO THAT GO TIME, THERE'S NOT THAT BIG DELTA. 
          ALRIGHT? UH, SOUTH STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, THIS PROJECT WAS, UH, THIS PROJECT AS WELL AS THE NEXT ONE ON NORTH, UH, SHENANDOAH CAME OUT OF ALL THE PEDESTRIAN INCIDENTS AND ACCIDENTS AND FATALITIES WE HAD ON SOUTH STREET. 
          AND SO, UH, THIS IS A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED THROUGH VDO. 
          THE REASON WE HAD THEM AND REASON WE SUBMITTED THIS PROJECT WAS BECAUSE OF THE PEDESTRIAN THINGS. 
          THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA START WORKING ON PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING THIS FALL, BUT CONSTRUCTION IS IN 2026. 
          NOW, WHILE I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF THE PRELIMINARY STUFF FOR THIS, WHAT IT IS IS GONNA BASICALLY IT'S GONNA FOCUS ON PEDESTRIAN SAFETY FIRST, THEN IT'S GONNA FOCUS ON TRAFFIC FLOW. 
          SO IT'S GONNA BE BASICALLY A ROAD DIET WITH NO LEFT TURNS TO IMPROVE FLOW. 
          UM, THERE IS, UH, POTENTIALLY ANOTHER TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE ON THE BACK END OF THE MARTIN SHOPPING CENTER THAT THOSE TWO WOULD BE SYNCED. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS ALL I KNOW AT THIS POINT. 
          I WILL BE BACK LATER THIS FALL WITH HOPEFULLY BEING ABLE TO PREVIEW YOU, SHOWING YOU ALL THE IMPROVEMENT. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK, AS I RECALL WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS IN, I THINK IT WAS MY FIRST YEAR ON COUNCIL, ISN'T THERE GOING TO BE LIKE STUFF IN THE MIDDLE LIKE MEDIANS LIKE ISLANDS, BUT ALL THE WAY UP SOUTH, WASN'T IT? RIGHT. 
          HILL ACTON, I'M SORRY, UP TO HILL OR ACTON. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I MEAN IT'S BEYOND BLUE RIDGE AVENUE. 
          IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO UP THERE AND BASICALLY NOT BE SITUATED BUSHES OR YEAH, SOME THINGS YEAH. 
          THAT IT WAS ALL SUPPOSED TO BE SAFETY FEATURES. 
          ROBBIE HAD SOME DOCTORS, I WAS JUST SAY YOU WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC FLOOD BECAUSE THEY RESTRICTED THE LEFT HAND TO KEEP RIE HENRY'S TRAFFIC. 
          RIGHT. 
          NOT BACKING UP AND KEEP IT MOVING IS WHAT? SO ONCE AGAIN, THIS PROJECT, UH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN 2015 WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED THE STOPS PROGRAM, WHICH WAS SMART TOWNS OBSERVED PEDESTRIAN Z ALRIGHT, UM, WEST, WEST REISER ROAD SIDEWALK PROJECT, ALSO GENERAL FUND. 
          UM, AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          SO I WON'T REALLY RECAP 
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THAT. 
          NORTH SHAND AVENUE STREETLIGHT PROJECT. 
          UH, WE GOT NOTIFICATION, WE GOT THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THAT. 
          UH, AND JUST TO REMIND Y'ALL, THAT IS TO CONTINUE THE LIGHTS THAT WE HAVE ON THE BRIDGE, LIKE THAT BIG BLACK ONE THERE TO REPLACE THE SHORT ONES THAT WE HAVE THERE. 
          WHAT THIS WILL DO, WE'LL PROVIDE DIRECT LIGHT ON THE ROAD, THE DARK SKY COMPLIANCE, SO WON'T BE LIGHTING THE WHOLE AREA. 
          IT'S GONNA IMPROVE SAFETY TREMENDOUSLY. 
          WHICH WAS ACTUALLY ANOTHER PART OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY THERE WERE SOME FATALITIES THERE, RIGHT? THEY WERE, UH, AND THAT WAS BEFORE, THAT WAS WHEN BEFORE SHEETS CAME, RIGHT? AND THERE WERE PEOPLE TRANSGRESSION OVER THOSE FIVE LANES AND THAT'S WHERE WE WERE GETTING INTO THOSE ISSUES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, PROBABLY Y ALL HAVE BEEN ENCOUNTERED THIS NORTH COMMERCE AVENUE PAVING PROJECT FROM NORTH ROYAL TO FOURTH STREET. 
          UM, THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP IS STAFF WENT AFTER THIS GRANT PROGRAM AND WAS ABLE TO GET SOME OF THIS PAVING FUNDED, RIGHT? ROBBIE? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE STAFF TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY AND SO WE ONLY HAD TO COME UP WITH 20% OF THAT 507. 
          THAT IS SMART. 
          THAT IS USING OUR TAX DOLLARS APPROPRIATELY. 
          UM, SO VDOT HAD A CONTRACTOR CAME IN HERE, DID MILLING, UH, I THINK THEY FINISHED PAVING AND THEY'RE COMING BACK THIS WEEK TO DO THE LAUNDRY. 
          THOSE LITTLE THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE STICKY NOTES UP IN THE ROAD. 
          I CAME OUT, THEY, THEY FASCINATE ME. 
          SO I THINK WE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOME CURB AND GUTTER THAT'S ON THIS LIST HERE, BUT HERE ARE SOME STREET PAVING PROJECTS. 
          UH, DON'T KNOW A LOT MORE THAN WHAT THIS IS, BUT THIS IS ON OUR CALENDAR TO BE DONE. 
          AND IF I GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THERE'S SOME SECONDARY PAVING AND HERE'S THE SIDEWALKS AND THERE'S YOUR CURB AND GUTTER. 
          SO CURB AND GUTTER FROM ON CHERRY STREET AND VIRGINIA AVENUE. 
          BUT THESE ARE WHAT ARE, ARE, ARE ON THE DOCKET FOR THIS CALENDAR YEAR. 
          FOR THIS BUDGET YEAR. 
          ALRIGHT, NOW I WANNA TALK ABOUT JUST A COUPLE QUICK PROJECTS. 
          UM, FIRST IS OUR NEW FLEET BUILDING. 
          UH, THIS WAS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WAS BORN DURING MY FIRST TENURE. 
          UH, TOTAL CONSTRUCTION IS 2.4. 
          WE'VE COMPLETED THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH IS A BUILT OF THE NEW BUILDING. 
          THE SECOND PHASE IS, UM, DECONSTRUCTION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND BUILDING THE, UH, SECOND HALF. 
          WE WOULD'VE BEEN DONE WITH THIS PROJECT BY MAY OF THIS YEAR IF WE WEREN'T WAITING ON A COUPLE ELECTRICAL PANELS. 
          IT IS JUST INCREDIBLE HOW ONE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT CAN HOLD UP THE WHOLE SHOW. 
          UH, BUT WE DO, UH, THE ELECTRICAL PIECE EQUIPMENT WE'RE WAITING ON WILL BE DELIVERED NOVEMBER, WHATEVER. 
          SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET THIS PROJECT COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          BUT THIS IS, CONTRIBUTE THIS TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN SOLID WASTE AND WHY WE DO OUR OWN MAINTENANCE AND WHY OUR FLEET IS IN SUCH GOOD CONDITION AND WHY WE, WE, WE GET THE LIFE OF THEM. 
          JOHN IS AMAZING. 
          UM, THIS SLIDE WAS IN FOR FRIDA, BUT WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE THAT LAND OUT THERE ON MCKAY SPRINGS TO MARKET. 
          UM, BUT SO I, I PUT THAT SLIDE IN THERE FOR FREEDOM EAST WEST CONNECTOR. 
          WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WHEN WE WENT DOWN THAT ROAD OF EVALUATING, UH, SADDLE CREST, ONHAND SHORES ROAD, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF EAST WEST CONNECTOR, UH, ACTUALLY I THINK IT WAS THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE THAT CAME BOARD OUT OF THIS WHERE VDOT DID THIS TECHNICAL MEMO FOR EAST WEST CONNECTOR, UM, FOR THAT 2.3, UH, MILE, UH, THREE LANE ROAD. 
          THEIR ESTIMATED COST OF CONSTRUCTION IS 30 MILLION. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S JUST A LITTLE QUICK PICTURE OF WHAT THEY HAD DESIGNED ON THE THREE LANE ROAD. 
          WHY I WANT TO, AND, AND JUST REMEMBER THAT TWO AND A HALF MILE, UH, FOR 30 MILLION. 
          ALRIGHT, HAPPY CREEK. 
          PHASE TWO PROJECT. 
          WE GOT THE NEW COST ESTIMATES IN ON VDO. 
          WE HAVE SUBMITTED THIS INTO THE SMART SCALE PROGRAM, WHICH WAS AUGUST 1ST. 
          THE NEW COST TESTIMATE WITH INFLATION IS $19.4 MILLION. 
          UM, SO THINK ABOUT THAT, 19 FOUR AND THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          30 MILLION FOR TWO AND A HALF MILES IN THIS SMALL STRETCH ON HAPPY CREEK. 
          I WANTED TO ALSO LET YOU KNOW THAT STAFF ASKED BO UM, AFTER WE HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH MARSHALL GLENN AND THE PROFFERS AND THE IDEA THAT THEY FLOATED, UH, GIVING US A ONE LUMP SUM FOR PROFFERS FOR THIS PROJECT, STAFF ASKED VO, UH, WHAT THAT IMPACT WOULD BE. 
          THEY SAID IT WOULDN'T MOVE THE MARK WOULDN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE BECAUSE 320,000 DOES NOT MAKE A DENT IN 19.4 MILLION. 
          THAT WAS, I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING. 
          SO THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT, EVEN IF WE WERE APPROVED, UH, IN THE SPRING OF 25, IT WOULD STILL PROBABLY BE 2031 OR LATER BEFORE WE WOULD SEEK CONSTRUCTION AND COMPLETION. 
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AND THIS, WE ACTUALLY APPLIED FOR SMART SCALE BEFORE TWICE AND DIDN'T GET IT. 
          AND THEN, UH, AND THEN THEY, THEY WERE TRYING TO HELP US WITH OUR APPLICATION. 
          SO WE, WE CROSS OUR FINGERS THAT THIRD TIME'S THE CHARM. 
          THIS IS THE SAME PROGRAM AS SOUTH STREET. 
          YEAH, RIGHT? IT'S THE SAME PROGRAM. 
          OH, LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS KIND OF BORN OUT OF GETTING IT TO FRIDA AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD INFORMATION. 
          THANK YOU JOE. 
          THAT'S GOOD JOE. 
          I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WELL I'M JUST CURIOUS LIKE FRIDA, UM, SO FRIDA ASKED FOR THIS. 
          DO THEY HAVE LIKE SOME PLANS IN MIND OR ARE THEY SOME PROJECTS THEY'RE EYEBALLING OR LIKE, CAN WE GET LIKE AN UPDATE ON WHAT THEY'RE LIKE, WHERE THEY ARE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING OR WHAT THEY'RE FOCUSING ON OR WHATEVER? ACTUALLY, UM, I CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE NOW OR I CAN COME BACK TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION. 
          UM, GO AHEAD. 
          IT'S FRESH. 
          IT JUST HAPPENED TODAY. 
          I READ THE ARTICLE, AN ARTICLE ALREADY TODAY. 
          TODAY. 
          UH, THIS WAS MORE OF THEY WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WERE DOING. 
          UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS, BUT THEY WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE OF IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO, UM, THAT WAS REALLY IT. 
          THEY JUST WANTED TO BE AWARE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA BRING, I'M GONNA BRING PLANNING ZONING TO FRIDA TWO FOR THAT. 
          THEY CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT DEVELOPMENT IS SPURRING AND WHAT KIND IS ON THE STREET. 
          UM, SO OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS, RE HAS BEEN KIND OF FOCUSED ON, WE DID A GOAL SESSION AND WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON THE LAST QUARTER, UH, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE WENT TOWARD, UM, LAUREL RIDGE, WE TOURED BLUE RIDGE TECHNICAL CENTER. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON EXISTING BUSINESSES. 
          WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THIS OUTREACH WITH THE BUSINESS SURVEY. 
          I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE'RE JUST NOT GETTING A LOT OF RESPONSE. 
          I THINK WE GOT 26 RESPONSES TO THE SURVEY. 
          AND THIS IS GOING TO ALL BUSINESS OWNERS. 
          UM, WHAT I'M EXCITED ABOUT AND THE THING THAT WE'RE MOVING ON FORWARD IS TO LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ASSET DEVELOPMENT AND NEW BUSINESSES. 
          UM, I TALKED TO THE BOARD TODAY ABOUT POTENTIALLY BRINGING IN SOMEBODY TO HELP US DEVELOP A RETAIL STRATEGY PLAN, HELP US LOOK AT OUR ASSETS. 
          SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, BECAUSE I HEAR A LOT THAT WE WANT A HOTEL, WE WANT ANOTHER GROCERY STORE. 
          WE NEED TO FIND THAT MECHANISM TO HELP US TAKE THAT BALL AND RUN WITH IT. 
          AND SO WE'RE GONNA BE ENTERTAINING, MAYBE HIRING A, A CONSULTANT TO DO THAT RECRUITING FORCE OR MAYBE HELP US DO THE ASSET DEVELOPMENT, HELP US LEARN HOW DO WE MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP. 
          BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT IS OUR, OUR FOCUS MOVING FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          SO, SO THE NEXT UP IS CLOSED. 
          AND MY GOODNESS, ANYBODY WHO'S WILLING NOT A MAYOR, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 7 1 2 2 7 2 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES, ONE PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, EMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY. 
          MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE CLERK OF COUNCIL, TOWN ATTORNEY PLANNING COMMISSION, BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, BCA AND LOCAL BOARD OF BUILDING CODE APPEALS L-B-B-C-A AND TWO, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A EIGHT OF THEDA, VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL, SPECIFICALLY VALLEY HEALTH SYSTEM PILOT FEES. 
          AND THREE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A SEVEN OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND BRIEFINGS BY STAFF MEMBERS OR CONSULTANTS PERTAINING TO ACTUAL OR PROBABLE LITIGATION OR SUCH CONSULTATION OR BRIEFING AND OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEGOTIATING OR LITIGATING POSTURE ON THE BODY. 
          MORE SPECIFICALLY, SOME FRONT ROYAL VERSUS FRONT ROYAL LIMITED PARTNERSHIP AND TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL VERSUS JENNIFER MCDONALD. 
          AND FOUR, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A THREE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE OR OF THE DISPOSITION OF A PUBLICLY HELD REAL PROPERTY WHERE DISCUSSION IN AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY. 
          MORE SPECIFICALLY, TOWN OWNED PROPERTY IN THE VICINITY OF WEST OAK STREET, WINCHESTER ROAD. 
          OKAY, WE'VE GOT A SECOND VICE MAYOR ELA. 
          YES. 
          COUNCIL INGRAM. 
          YES. 
          COUNCIL MORRIS. 
          YES. 
          COUNCIL RAPORT? YES. 
          COUNCILMAN D DAMON PAYNE? YES. 
          YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE ARE ENCLOSED. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS.
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