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LET'S CALL THIS THING THE ORDER,
[Board of Architectural Review on July 9, 2024.]
THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW MEETING FOR TUESDAY, JULY 9TH, 2024.UM, FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM APRIL 9TH AND THE ROLL CALL
EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 9TH? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
NEW BUSINESS APPLICATION 2 2 4 0 0 3 4 0 IS CERTIFICATE OF A BROKERAGE APPLICATION, UH, SUBMITTED BY FIONA LIT BOX AND FOR THE DEMOLITION OF AN EXISTING 16 BY 24 ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
REPLACED WITH A NEW 16 BY 46 ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT TWO 17 LEE STREET.
UM, PROPERTY ZONED R THREE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED IN HISTORIC.
UM, WE HAVE A REPORT FROM STAFF APPLICATION 24 0 0 3 40 IS FOR TWO 17 LEE STREET.
UH, THERE'S THE OVERALL VIEW WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THERE ON LEE STREET.
UH, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS LOCATED HERE IN THE REAR.
UH, THEY ACCESS THAT BY CEMETERY LANE INTO THE BACK OF THE GARAGE.
UM, IT IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE FOR REVIEW.
THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS IS FOR A PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING GARAGE AND TO EXTEND THE GARAGE AN ADDITIONAL 22 FEET TOWARDS THE CEMETERY LANE.
THE EXTERIOR WE COVERED WITH FOUR INCH DOUBLE LAP VINYL, YELLOW VINYL SIDING TO MATCH THE HOUSE WITH BROWN ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES, WHITE VINYL WINDOWS AND AN EIGHT FOOT METAL GARAGE DOOR.
YOU SHOULD RECEIVE IN YOUR PACKET.
THE APPLICATION, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT SURVEY, UH, THE SURVEY THAT, UH, PLAT AND PHOTOGRAPHS.
UH, THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE HOME, UH, THERE ON THE LEFT FROM THE PRESERVATION SOCIETY'S, UH, INVENTORY AND A PRESENT DAY PHOTOGRAPH.
THE HOUSE WITH THE VINYL SIDING ON THE HOUSE AND ASPHALT SHINGLES ON THE HOUSE ALSO.
THEY DID LIST TWO BUILDINGS THERE, TWO SHEDS, ONE NON-CONTRIBUTING AND ONE CONTRIBUTING.
UH, WE DID A STAFF, UH, WE WENT OUT ON, UH, DID A SITE VISIT WITH THE MEMBERS.
UH, WE CONCLUDED THAT THE GARAGE PRESENTLY THERE IS THE NON-CONTRIBUTING SHED BASED ON THE MASONITE SIDING THAT WAS THERE ON, ON THE BUILDING.
UH, SO WHY ARE YOU HERE TO REVIEW THIS? WELL, STAFF CANNOT APPROVE THESE SIZE STRUCTURES IN HISTORIC DISTRICT ADMINISTRATIVELY.
SO UNDER TOWN CODE 1 75 89, ANYTHING FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT EXCEEDS 500 SQUARE FEET REQUIRES THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW TO REPROVE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
UH, THERE IS A PICTURE OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CURRENTLY, THE GARAGE, UH, IT IS BUILT OUT OF MASONITE SIDING, UH, THAT WAS PREVALENT IN THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES.
YOU KNOW THAT SIDING IS SUSCEPTIBLE TO ROT AND MILDEW AND WARP.
UH, WHEN THAT WAS OVER THE YEARS, THERE'S ROT AND EVERYTHING ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ALONG THE TRIM AND EVERYTHING.
PRESENTLY, UH, ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH.
SO THE GARAGE WOULD EXTEND OUT IN THIS PARKING AREA STRAIGHT OUT.
THEY'RE NOT GOING LEFT OR RIGHT.
JUST EXTENDING THE BUILDING OUT, REMOVING THE SIDING AND RAISING THE ROOF, PUTTING A NEW PITCH ON THE ROOF AND EXTENDING THAT OUT.
ANOTHER VIEW OF THE GARAGE, UH, THERE'S A SURVEY PLAT SHOWING THE EXISTING GARAGE, JUST EXTENDING THAT OUT.
CONTINUING WITH THE 16 FOOT WIDTH.
UM, THERE'S A SHOWING OF THE, UH, HOW THEY'LL DO THE, REMOVE THE SIDING, UH, ADD THE, UH, NEW STUD WALLS, PUT A SIDE DOOR IN THERE, AND THE DIFFERENT PITCH.
THAT'LL BE ON THE NEW, UH, BUILDING, UH, THE DIFFERENT PITCH ON THAT TO RAISE THAT UP.
UM, ESSENTIALLY IT'S A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
THE SIDING, UH, WAS MASONITE, UH, HAD DAMAGE TO IT IF WE WENT OUT WHEN WE DID THE SITE VISIT, HAD DAMAGE TO THE SIDING AND TO THE ROOF.
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THE SIZE OF IT AND PUT SIDING THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING HOUSE VINYL SIDING, JUST AS THE HOUSE IS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN HISTORIC DISTRICT VINYL SIDING AS THE HOUSE AND SHINGLES TO MATCH THE HOUSE.DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS REPORT? I DON'T.
YOU ALL SAW, SAW ON THE SITE VISIT ALL SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
I THINK EVEN WITH THIS EXTENSION
IT'S NOT GONNA BE TWO STORIES TALL AND MATCH THE HOUSE, SID, AND IT'S NOT CONTRIBU STRUCTURE.
I THINK MY MIND IS KIND OF A NO BRAINER.
I THINK 'CAUSE IT'S NOT CONTRIBUTING AND IT'S, YEAH.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE JUST FINE.
HOLLY, WHAT ABOUT YOU? YEAH, I AGREE.
SO, UM, I'LL MAKE A, A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, THE APPLICATION AS WRITTEN.
UH, CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS, UH, SUBMITTED BY BARB BARBARA SAMUELS TO REPLACE SIX WOOD WINDOWS WITH SIX VINYL WINDOWS AND CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
COLIN, I'M GONNA ABSTAIN FROM THE DISCUSSION AND THE VOTE.
UM, BARBARA IS MY CUSTOMER AND I INSURE THE BUILDING.
I FEEL LIKE THERE'D BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND MR. SONNET SAYS I HAVE TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE TABLE, BUT NOT LEAVE THE ROOM.
UH, SO CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION 24 0 0 3 59 IS FOR THE LOCATION AT 4 0 1 EAST MAIN STREET.
UH, THERE'S THE OVERALL VIEW, UM, FROM THE COUNTY GIS LOCATED THERE AT EAST MAIN STREET AND THE CORNER OF HIGH STREET.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
UH, THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED REPLACED SIX WOODEN WOOD WINDOWS WITH SIX DOUBLE WHITE HUNG VINYL WINDOWS WITH NO GRIDS.
FOUR WINDOWS ON EAST MAIN STREET AND TWO WINDOWS ON THE HIGH STREET SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET WAS A STAFF REPORT, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT SURVEY AND PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE STRUCTURE.
UH, THE BRIEF HISTORY OF THE STRUCTURE, UH, LOCATED AT 4 0 1 EAST MAIN STREET WAS ESTIMATED THE DATE OF CONSTRUCTION SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1890 AND 1920.
UH, THE WINDOWS ARE NOTED IN THE REPORT AS ONE OVER ONE DOUBLE HUNG WOOD SASH WITH BRICK LENTILS IN CONCRETE SEALS.
SO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR FOR THIS APPLICATION IS REPLACE THE FOUR WINDOWS HERE ON EAST MAIN STREET AND TWO OF THOSE WINDOWS ON HIGH STREET.
UH, CURRENTLY THEY ARE WOOD WINDOWS.
UH, THEY ARE ASKING TO REPLACE THOSE WITH VINYL.
UH, THAT'S THE APPLICATION PART OF THE APPLICATION FROM THE APPLICANT.
UH, THERE WAS SOME REMODEL ON THE REAR THAT ALREADY HAD VINYL WINDOWS THERE.
ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING, UH, THERE IS DAMAGE TO THE WOOD AND FROM THE INTERIOR OF THE WOOD WINDOWS.
UH, THIS IS ON THE SECOND FLOOR FACING THE ALLEY, ALSO ON THE THIRD FLOOR FACING THE ALLEY WITH THE DAMAGE TO THE WINDOWS AND SOME MORE PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE THIRD FLOOR THAT'S FACING MAIN STREET.
UH, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO APPLY OR FOR APPROVAL IS WHITE VINYL WITH NO GRIDS, DOUBLE HUNG TO REPLACE THE SIX WINDOWS.
FOUR ON EAST MAIN STREET ON AND TWO ON HIGH STREET.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR TOWN STAFF? UM, WE DID A SITE VISIT ON THERE, IF YOU REMEMBER.
UH, WE LOOKED AT THE WINDOWS THERE ON, UH, MAIN STREET AND THOSE ON THE SIDE.
SO THESE ARE THE FOUR WINDOWS AND THE TWO ON THE SIDE THAT ARE ASKING AND REPLACED WITH VINYL.
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REPORT, UH, THAT THEY WERE WOODEN WINDOWS ONE OVER ONE.SO CAN I ASK, WHEN WAS THAT REMODEL ON, ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING? DONE? WE KNOW THAT, UM, WE HAD NO RECORD OF THEM APPLYING FOR A REMODEL ON THE REAR.
I DON'T THINK WE KNOW WHEN IT WAS DONE.
THEY, THEY MAY HAVE HAD THAT DONE PRIOR TO THE NINE THREE, UH, REPORT.
UH, WE HAVE NO RECORD OF THEM COMING FOR AN APP APPLICATION TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS IN THE REAR.
BUT SO MOST LIKELY PRIOR, PRIOR TO THIS BOARD BEING ESTABLISHED, WE MAKE NO ASSUMPTIONS WITH THAT.
THE FRONT BUILDING PROBABLY ABOUT NINE YEARS AGO, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT YES.
UM, OUR OWNERSHIP AND ACTUALLY I, I BOUGHT THAT BUILDING FROM PAT WINDROW.
I, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW, PAT HAD DONE, BUT SHE WAS VERY ARTISTIC.
UM, WELL THE THING WITH VINYL WINDOWS, WE'VE GOT HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE MOST LIKELY ORIGINAL TO THAT BUILDING.
AND THERE IS, I DON'T THINK, BUT FROM A 150 YEARS AGO, I DON'T THINK SO.
YOU DON'T THINK THEY'RE ORIGINAL? OH, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I'M SORRY, KAREN, WHAT DID HE SAY? HE SAID TO, DID YOU SAY THE BUILDINGS? WE DIDN'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING.
DID YOU SAY IT WAS 150 YEARS FROM, FROM THE 1890 TO 1920? SOMEWHERE IN THAT? YEAH.
NO, I WOULD SAY THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL.
SOMEONE, A CONTRACTOR TOLD US THEY HAD ALREADY DONE REPLACED WARRANTS.
THEY'RE LIKE, THEY HAD SASHES.
UM, AND HE SAID THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE, THEY'RE JUST OLD.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE JUST, I MEAN, IF I HAD TO GUESS, I'D SAY MAYBE THEY'RE LIKE 50 YEARS OLD OR SOMETHING, BUT YEAH, WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DO KNOW FOR SURE, BUT SOMEONE DID TELL US THEY WERE NOT THE ORIGINAL.
UM, THE ISSUE WITH THE VINYL WINDOWS IS WINDOWS, THEY TEND TO HAVE A MUCH WIDER SASH FRAME.
THEY'RE MUCH, YOU HAVE LESS GLASS AREA, MORE FRAME AREA, AND THEY, THEY CHANGE THE LOOK OF THE OPENING ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
THOSE ARE, I DON'T, I MEAN, I THINK IT LOOKS RIGHT.
OUR JOB HERE IS PRESERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
SO JUST ARBITRARILY REPLACING WOOD WINDOWS WITH A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TRY TO AVOID.
LEMME TELL YOU, I'M HELPING MY MOM WITH THIS BECAUSE SHE'S 76 AND SHE DIDN'T GO TO ALL THE PLACES.
I, I'M HAVING TROUBLE LATELY WITH MY HEARING AIDS, HEARING HEARING AIDS, EXCUSE.
I, WE ACTUALLY LOOKED INTO LIKE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND WHEN I TALKED TO THE GUY AT 84 LUMBER ABOUT REPLACING THEM WITH ALL WOOD MM-HMM.
AND THAT HE COULDN'T FIND ANYBODY THAT MAKES AN ALL WOOD WINDOW.
LIKE ANDERSON ACTUALLY MAKES A WOOD WINDOW, BUT IT'S ALUMINUM CLAD.
AND HE SAID THAT ALL THE WINDOWS ARE EITHER, LIKE, THEY HAVE SOME OTHER THING ON THE OUTSIDE THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW OF ANYBODY.
LIKE, I MEAN, IF YOU COULD HIRE SOMEBODY YOU'D LIKE INDEPENDENTLY TO DO LIKE MILL WORK MM-HMM.
BUT PART OF THE ISSUE FOR US IS THAT ALL SIX OF THESE WINDOWS ARE BEDROOM ROOMS AND APARTMENTS.
SO THOSE ARE APARTMENTS ON THE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THREE.
SO THERE'S TWO BEDROOMS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, TWO BEDROOMS ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
AND WE ARE, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE WINDOWS THAT ARE SAFE ENOUGH FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T OPEN AS EASILY, UM, AS A NEW WINDOW WOULD.
AND, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAFETY FEATURES.
LIKE YOU'VE GOT LIKE THE LITTLE THINGS ON THE SIDE SO YOU CAN'T GO THROUGH THEM ALL WAY.
UM, AND SO, UH, THERE'S THAT, AND THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WITH MAYBE SHE CAN'T, ANYWAY, THERE WAS, BUT YEAH.
AND THEN THERE'S NO SCREAMS. RIGHT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WINDOW THAT OPENS EASILY ENOUGH AND ESPECIALLY IN APARTMENT BEDROOM.
SO THAT IS PART OF THE REASON FOR REPLACING ON THE NEW WINDOWS.
IT'S FOR EASE OF USE AND SAFETY.
THE ONLY FOLKS YOU TALKED TO ABOUT REPLACEMENT WOOD WINDOWS IS 84 LUMBER.
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TALKED TO THE CONTRACTORS.UM, WE TALKED TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS.
THEY THEN TRIED TO FIND WINDOWS, BUT NOBODY EVER CAME BACK TO US WITH, UM, WE GOT SOMEBODY WHO SAID THEY COULD DO THE ANDERSON HISTORIC.
THERE'S A HISTORIC LINE FROM ANDERSON.
DID SOMEBODY, WAS THERE ANYBODY THAT THERE WASN'T A CON NO, NO, WE DID NOT HAVE ANYBODY THAT, THAT CAME BACK TO US WITH A QUOTE.
SO WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY, WE WEREN'T THE ONLY ONES.
WE HAD THREE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS LOOK, AND I THINK ONLY TWO GOT BACK TO US WITH, UM, WITH ACTUAL WINDOWS THAT COULD BE REPLACED.
SO THEY WERE EITHER LIKE VINYL OR LIKE AN, UM, A HISTORIC LOOKING OPTION FOR VINYL.
SO THAT'S LIKE THE, THE ONE, THE BUILDING THAT'S ON THE STREET, THE, UM, THE NEW YELLOW BUILDING THAT THEY'RE RENOVATING, THOSE ARE NOT WOOD WINDOWS.
THOSE ARE VINYL WINDOWS THAT THEY JUST PUT IN, BUT THEY'RE HISTORIC LOOKING VINYL WINDOWS.
SO THERE ARE SOME THAT, THAT ARE MADE OF VINYL.
BUT LOOK, I GUESS MORE LIKE WOOD.
BUT CAN I ASK, UM, YOU ONLY LOOKED INTO QUOTES TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS.
DID YOU LOOK INTO REPAIRING
UM, BUT HE SAID THAT OBVIOUSLY LIKE YOU'D, I MEAN HE COULD FIX THE, HE SAID HE COULD FIX THE, WHERE THEY'RE ROTTING AT THE BOTTOM.
BUT THAT NO ONE HAS, HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY WAY TO RE REPAIR THE SASHES.
SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I MEAN, THERE'S HOW IT LOOKS, BUT THERE'S ALSO HOW THE WINDOW FUNCTIONS.
AND NO ONE'S TOLD US THAT THEY CAN REPLACE THE SASHES.
DO THEY HAVE ROPES AND WEIGHTS? ARE THEY WEIGHT AT ALL? I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT WINDOWS.
I MEAN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, LIKE TO THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD BY THAT THE SA EITHER THE SASHES WERE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE REMOVED OR JOHN, CAN YOU PULL UP THAT INTERIOR PHOTO LOOKING OUT? I MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE IF THERE'S A PULLEY IN THE TOP OF IT.
TELL IF THAT'S PEELING PAINT OR A PULLEY.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PULLEY? LIKE ROPE? WELL, SOMETIMES YEAH, THEY'RE LIKE ASSISTED.
THERE'S ROPES INSIDE THE JAM THAT HAVE LEAD WEIGHTS ON IT.
THE WINDOWS PULL OVER SASH, THE WINDOWS THAT DO OPEN, YOU OPEN 'EM AND THEY LIKE SLAM DOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY HEAVY.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY, THERE'S NOT ANY FULLY SYSTEM, DEFINITELY NO POLICE SYSTEM.
BUT I, WHAT HE SAID, THE ONE CONTRACTOR SAID TO ME IS THAT IT, IT WAS GEORGE.
HE SAID, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT SOMEBODY HAD REMOVED THE SASHES AT SOME POINT.
SO MAYBE THEY DID THAT 'CAUSE THEY SAW ON THE THIRD FLOOR AND SECOND FLOOR AND DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE OPENING THE WINDOWS.
BUT THEY OPEN, THEY'RE JUST, THEY DON'T FUNCTION WELL.
SO, UM, I SAW THAT THERE WAS A DRAWING, UM, OF THAT REPLACEMENT WINDOW AND IT HAD SOME DIMENSIONS ON IT, BUT IT WAS PRETTY VAGUE ON THE ACTUAL, LIKE THE, THE PROFILE DIMENSION OF THE YEAH.
THIS ONE OF THE SIDE OF THE SASH AS A JAM.
BUT THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST A DRAWING OF THE SASH.
AND THEY'RE GONNA REPLACE JUST THE SASH OR THEY'RE GONNA REPLACE THE ENTIRE JAM.
NO, I MEAN THAT'S THE WHOLE, THAT'S THE WHOLE, WELL IT'S TWO.
SO WE HAVE THE SASH, WHICH TWO PIECES OF GLASS, THE BOTTOM ONE OPENS, AND THEN THE JAM, WHICH HOLDS THOSE PIECES INTO THE WALL.
IT'S, I'M ASKING IS THAT THE PLAN OR ARE THEY REPLACING THE WHOLE JAM AND THEY'RE GONNA FIT? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU CAN JUST SLAM VINYL SASH INTO A WOOD OPENING AND EXPECT IT TO WORK VERY WELL.
I THINK WE HAVE ONES THAT ARE MADE FOR LIKE, WHAT DID HE, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT THE GUY SAID TO US, BUT, WELL, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.
HONESTLY, IT'S NOT, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE A REPLACEMENT WINDOW I THOUGHT, BUT I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.
SO WHAT ARE YOU, TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
ARE YOU JUST REPLACING THE SASH, THE PARTS THAT OPEN AND CLOSE? MM-HMM.
SO THAT DRAWING, THE, THE REPLACEMENT DRAWING.
AND MY CONCERN IS WHAT PART IS THE JAM? THE JAM IS THE, THE PART THAT THAT FITS INTO.
YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT BEING TOO, MAKING IT LOOK SMALL.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES IF YOU HAVE LIKE A WINDOW, INSIDE A WINDOW, IT
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LOOKS TERRIBLE.SO, BUT I MEAN, WHAT WE WERE TOLD IS THAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE THE WINDOW'S IN THE BACK.
SO IT'S NOT REPLACEMENT, LIKE GONNA GET SMALLER LIKE INSIDE ANOTHER WINDOW.
IT'S, IT WOULD BE A REMOVAL OF, WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
UM, LIKE WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION? LIKE HOW THE DIMENSIONS OR A DETAILED DRAWING OF HOW THE, THE JAM, THE WIDTH OF THE JAM.
AND HOW THAT VIEWED, HOW THOSE UNITS FIT INTO IT.
SO WE COULD SEE THE WHOLE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE FRONT, YOU WOULD SEE THE DEPTH OF THE SASH PLUS THE DEPTH OF THE JAM.
BUT I WILL JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, I MEAN, IT DOES NOT HAVE THAT SMALL LOOK.
I DON'T NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE WHEN I LOOK, I MEAN THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE BACK, IT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME TO ME.
AND BECAUSE OF THE BRICK AND THE WAY IT SITS IN THE WINDOW, LIKE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE THAT THERE, THAT THAT IS FINAL.
SO YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK.
WELL, I GUESS SHOULD WE MEASURE THE BACK WINDOWS? LIKE, AND JUST YEAH.
I MEAN, THIS WOULD BE A LOT EASIER IF IT WAS, WE WERE, IF WE WERE REPLACING WINDOWS AROUND BACK.
WE HAVE, THERE'S A POTENTIAL TO CHANGE TO DRASTICALLY ALTER THE LOOK OF THE FACADE UP FRONT ON THE BUILDING ON MAIN STREET.
IT'S A KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WELL I KNOW IT'S OUR BUILDING.
YOU CAN TAKE THE SAME PRIDE IN IT THAT YOU DO.
SO IT'S LIKE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
BUT WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS.
I WOULD WANT, SO YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH VINYL IF IT WERE, YOU KNOW, THE SAME SIZE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OR YOU JUST DON'T LIKE THE FILE? 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP PUTTING IN APPLICATIONS AND GETTING REJECTED.
THESE REALLY DO NEED TO BE REPLACED.
SAFETY ISSUES TYPICALLY WE LIKE TO SEE LIKE FOR LIKE REPLACEMENT.
SO IF IT'S A WOOD WINDOW TO SEE A WOOD WINDOW GO BACK IN, THAT MATCHES THE PROFILE.
AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO MAKE AN APPLICATION FOR THAT.
YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME FOR US.
THEY WOULD JUST BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
AND WE ACTUALLY TRIED, THAT'S WHY WE TRIED TO LOOK FOR THE ALL WOOD WINDOWS.
I MEAN HONESTLY THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE WANTED TO GET THEM REPLACED IMMEDIATELY.
AND WE DID LOOK SO, I MEAN HONESTLY WE COULDN'T FIND, UM, WE COULD NOT FIND ANYONE.
IT'S LIKE AN ALL WOOD, YOU CAN GET WOOD WITH ALUMINUM CLAD.
BUT YOU CANNOT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD DO THAT.
SO, I MEAN, AND THERE, I MEAN IF WE HIRED SOMEBODY TO LIKE AN, AN INDEPENDENT PERSON TO MILL A NEW WINDOW, I'D ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST.
AND IT WOULD NOT, PROBABLY NOT HAVE SOME OF THE SAFETY FEATURES FOR A NEW WINDOWS.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, HAVE YOU HAD OTHER PEOPLE REPLACED WITH ALL WOOD WINDOWS? MM-HMM.
I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE THE STEAKHOUSE, THE, I MEAN THAT'S THE NEWEST ONE THAT I SEE BEING RENOVATED RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE WE THOUGHT, WE THOUGHT THOSE WINDOWS ARE WOOD.
SO THOSE ARE NOT WOOD WINDOWS.
THEY'RE WORKING ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING THOUGH.
THEY'RE NOT REPLACING THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT.
WE SAW THE, OH, I ACTUALLY HAVE A PICTURE.
THAT'S WHERE I GOT HIS BLUE SKY FIND IT TOO.
WELL THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO LOOK.
OKAY, WELL I'M JUST TELLING YOU THEY DID.
I TOOK A PICTURE OF IT BECAUSE I WANTED THE GUYS, AND I LITERALLY PROBABLY HAVE IT IN MY PHONE.
HE WAS UP ON THE SCAFFOLDING AND I WAS TALKING TO HIM.
IS THAT, I CAN TELL YOU WHO DID IT.
WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO REVIEW THAT.
UM, BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WE LOOKED AT WOOD WINDOWS THROUGH THAT.
AND IT WAS STUFF WE APPROVED FOR THE BACK OF IT.
THAT WAS GONNA BE NEW, I THINK.
THERE WAS AN ADDITION AROUND BACK THAT HAD VINYL IN IT AND THEN IT WAS GONNA BE, WE WERE LIKE THE LIGHT REPLACEMENT OUT FRONT.
I THOUGHT, WELL, I MEAN WE COULD ASK THEM IF IT IS, BUT IF THE, WE KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT WORKED ON THAT BUILDING AND THEY TOLD US THE WINDOWS ARE VINYL NEED TO LOOK LIKE WOOD.
SO, AND THEN I KNOW THEY WERE REPLACED.
'CAUSE MY, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT REPLACING OUR WINDOWS LIKE A WHILE AGO AND HE WAS UP ON THE SCAFFOLDING, BUT, AND THEY HAD IT OUT FRONT AND I, I ACTUALLY STOPPED AND TALKED TO THEM AND ASKED HIM FOR A BUSINESS CARD BECAUSE WE KNEW OUT OUR WINDOWS.
SO WELL LOOK WITHOUT KNOWING THE DIMENSIONS OF THE WINDOWS THAT YOU'VE CHOSEN.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T SAY YAY OR NAY.
THE ONLY, MY ONLY OPTION RIGHT NOW IS TO, IF YOU'VE EXHAUSTED ALL EFFORT IN
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RESTORING MM-HMM.WE NEED TO VERIFY THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ALTER THE LOOK.
SO IF, WELL AFTER WE HEARD THAT THOSE WINDOWS DOWN THE STREET WERE NOT, WE ACTUALLY LIKED HOW THEY LOOK BECAUSE THEY DO LOOK VERY NICE AND THEY'RE MADE TO LOOK LIKE IT.
SO WE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THOSE WINDOWS.
YOU FIND OUT, MAYBE YOU CAN FIND OUT WHAT THOSE WERE.
WE ACTUALLY JUST TALKED TO SOMEONE A COUPLE DAYS AGO.
WE HAD ALREADY PUT THIS APPLICATION IN, BUT WE TALKED TO MY MOM'S FRIEND ABOUT IT.
AND DID HE SAY THE NAME RIGHT? HE TOLD US THE BRAND NAME.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS? HE WAS SUPPOSED TO TEXT IT OR EMAILED IT TO ME AND HE HASN'T DONE SO YET.
HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT TABLE THIS UNTIL WE CAN GET SOME MORE INFORMATION, QUESTIONS BEING ASKED.
SOMEBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION.
DOES THAT AFFECT UM, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS VOTE UNTIL THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON THE DIMENSION, THE WINDOW SPECIFIC REPLACEMENT AND THE JAMS. THE JAMS. OKAY.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, IT'S JUST KEEPING IT ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS WHAT'S THERE CURRENTLY POSSIBLE.
BECAUSE HONESTLY A LOT OF VINYL, SOME OF THE OLD VINYL WINDOWS WERE LIKE THAT WHERE THEY'RE CLOSED IN.
BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE NEW ONES, THEY'RE MADE DIFFERENTLY AND STRONGER MATERIAL.
AND YOU CAN GET ONES THAT ARE NOT LIKE THAT.
WE CAN DO FRACTIONS OF AN INCH BUT NOT AN INCH.
SO IF WE GOTTA KEEP IT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE AND THE, IF WE TABLE THIS TO OUR NEXT MEETING NEXT MONTH, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS AGAIN.
COME BACK SOME MORE INFORMATION.
BUT IF YOU CAN GET THE NEW INFORMATION TO US TO STAFF, UM, SO THAT WE CAN GET IT OUT IN THE PACKET FOR THAT MEETING.
I MEAN, WE'LL THAT MEETING IS THE SECOND TUESDAY IN AUGUST.
UM, YEAH, SO I MEAN IF WE, WE WILL NEED TO HAVE THAT LIKE BY WHATEVER HAS THE APPLICATION.
SO BY THE END OF THE MONTH YOU CAN GET THAT BY THE END OF THE MONTH.
WHAT IF WE, SO ONE MORE QUESTION.
SO WE'VE APPLIED WITH THIS CURRENT PARTY VINYL WINDOW.
IS IT A NEW APPLICATION IF WE WERE TO CHANGE OVER TO THESE OTHER MORE HISTORICAL IT'S SUPPLEMENTING WITH MORE INFORMATION.
AND IF YOU DID AND IF YOU DECIDED TO GET WOOD, THEN IT WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO COME BACK HERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ONE.
ARE THOSE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP US OR WHAT WAS QUESTIONS? THE QUESTIONS ASKED? OH, MENTIONS ARE THE BIGGEST ISSUES BECAUSE ONE LITTLE COMMENT ABOUT THE ONE WINDOWS JUST IN GENERAL, I WAS NOT THERE, BUT KAREN EVEN WENT TO UM, 84 LUMBER AND SAID COULD YOU ALL HELP US FIND SOME WOOD WINDOWS AND THE MAN SHE WAS SPEAKING WITH, AND AGAIN, I WASN'T THERE.
I SAID, MA'AM, IF YOU CAN FIND A COMPANY THAT HAS WOOD WINDOWS, WOULD YOU BE KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE US THAT INFORMATION? WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY.
SO THAT'S A REAL, REAL PROBLEM.
I LIVED IN AN OLDER HOUSE AND WE TRIED TO UM, YOU KNOW,
I MEAN, WE DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING.
I THINK THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO GET RESTORATION DONE.
OKAY, NOW WE'VE GOT THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS MEETING AND UH, WE'LL BE PLANNING ON SPEAKING AT THE PODIUM OTHER THAN THE APPLICANT.
SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE TO READ THIS SHEET.
I CAN READ IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.
FEW RULES FOR PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE MOVE FORWARD.
THE ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR EACH APPLICATION IS AS FOLLOWS.
THE STAFF WILL GIVE A REPORT TO THE BOARD OF AL REVIEW.
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THE STAFF REPORT, THE APPLICANT IS ALLOWED AND ENCOURAGED TO SPEAK.AFTER THE APPLICANT GIVES THEIR PRESENTATION, WE WILL THEN OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMENT SECTION, WHICH NO ONE'S GONNA PARTICIPATE IN.
AND, UH, AFTER THAT YOU GUYS MAKE REBUTTALS AND NOBODY THAT'S GONNA TALK.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS AND ALL OF, LET'S SEE, ASK ALL YOUR COMMENTS TO THE BOARD OF A REVIEW.
PLEASE NEED READ THAT OUT LOUD PLEASE.
AT THAT POINT, THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW MIGHT HAVE A QUESTION OR TWO OF EITHER THE APPLICANT OR ANY SPEAKER.
THERE'LL BE NO DISCUSSION OF MERITS AND I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE DIRECT ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS TO THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
PLEASE DO NOT ADDRESS THE APPLICANT STAFF OR OTHER SPEAKERS.
FOR THOSE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP AND WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
WHEN YOU STEP UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND ENSURE ALL YOUR COMMENTS ARE RELATED TO THE TOPIC OF THE AGENDA.
UH, THIS APPLICATION 2 4 0 0 3 7 5 IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY TEDDY STOUT CONSTRUCTION TO DEMOLISH AND REMOVE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE ON A PROPERTY WITHIN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT AT TWO 40 BLUE RIDGE AVENUE.
UM, JOHN B FIVE APPLICATION, UH, 24 0 0 3 7 5 IS FOR 2 4 40 BLUE RIDGE AVENUE.
JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS, TOWN STAFF CANNOT ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE THESE APPLICATIONS.
UH, THAT'S WHY THEY COME BEFORE THE BOARD.
UH, THE APPLICATION IS FOR A DEMOLITION OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AT TWO 40.
IT IS LOCATED IN THE TOWN'S HISTORIC DISTRICT AT THE CORNER OF BLUE RIDGE AVENUE IN EAST PROSPECT STREET.
INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET WAS A STAFF REPORT, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPRO APPLICATION FOR THE DEMOLITION, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT SURVEY, AND NUMEROUS PHOTOGRAPHS.
AND WE DO HAVE SOME NUMEROUS PHOTOGRAPHS AFTER THIS PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
UH, THE BRIEF HISTORY OF THE BUILDING FROM THE PRESERVATION ASSOCIATES OF VIRGINIA.
UH, THE STRUCTURE WAS BILLED ACTUALLY IN 1890.
UH, THE REPORT DOES STATE THAT THE HOUSE SITS AT THE FRONT OF A FLAT LOT THAT INCLUDES SEVERAL MATURE TREES.
THE HOME IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE QUEEN ALLEN AND STYLE DWELLING IS ONE OF THE FINEST EXAMPLES OF THIS STYLE.
IN FRONT ROYAL, THE HOUSE ANCHORS A PROMINENT CORNER AND THE CORNER MAKES SIGNIFICANT GESTURE TOWARD THE INTERSECTION.
UH, THERE'S A PICTURE FROM, UH, OR OF THE HOUSE DURING, UH, THE 1993 SURVEY, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, IN 2014 AND 2023.
UNFORTUNATELY, IN NOVEMBER OF 23, THE HOUSE CAUGHT ON FIRE AND SUSTAINED SIGNIFICANTLY DAMAGE TO THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE.
SO PART OF TOWN CODE 1 75 93 FOR DEMOLITION OF A HISTORIC STRUCTURE HAS TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AS PROVIDED WITHIN THE CODE.
UH, THERE'S THE REPORT FROM THE PRESERVATION SOCIETY LISTING THE PROPERTY.
UH, WE DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS NOTED THAT, THAT THEY DID MAKE SOME MENTION BESIDES THE BUILDING TO THE LOT IN THE TREES HOLDING SIGNIFICANT VALUE TO THE PROPERTY.
UH, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ASKED ABOUT THE FOUNDATION ONLY NOTE ON THE FOUNDATION.
IT HAD A SOLID FOUNDATION, UH, WITH REPORT THAT THEY DID NOT MENTION THAT HA HA HAVING ANY SIGNIFICANCE TOWARD THE STRUCTURE OR THE LOT WITH THAT.
UH, AGAIN, THEY, THEY PROMINENTLY IS ON THE, UH, CORNER WITH THE TREES INCLUDED FOR THE LANDSCAPING, WHICH, UH, SOMETIMES THIS COMES BEFORE THE BO UH, THE BAR FOR REMOVAL OF TREES.
SO THEY DID DESIGNATE THE TREES AND THE LOT, UH, PREDOMINANTLY ON THE LOT AND, AND REPORT OF THE STRUCTURE.
PART OF YOUR APPLICATION WITH THIS ADDENDUM IS THE GUIDELINES DETERMINE IF YOU CAN APPROVE THE DEMOLITION OF THIS STRUCTURE.
THESE ARE THE GUIDELINES AND THE QUESTIONS, UH, WITHIN THAT DO YOU NEED TO DISCUSS TO SEE IF THIS PROPERTY FALLS IN THE GUIDELINES TO WARRANT A DEMOLITION OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE,
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UH, TO BRING YOU TORE OF THE, UH, UH, THE REASON FOR THIS.UH, THE PROPERTY DID CATCH FIRE, UH, IN NOVEMBER OF 2023.
THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE OFFICIAL FROM THE TOWN SENT A LETTER ON MAY 24TH DECLARING THE STRUCTURE TO BE UNSAFE DUE TO THE FIRE DAMAGE.
UH, THE OWNER DID NOTIFY TOWN ON JUNE 6TH THAT, UH, WITH THE LETTER THAT THEY WERE LISTING THE PROPERTY FOR SALE.
SINCE THAT TIME, THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN SOLD AND WE HAVE A NEW OR A CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINAL LETTER.
BUT THEY, THE CURRENT OWNER WAS AWARE OF THE PROPERTY BEING DAMAGED AND HAD A VIOLATION LETTER FROM THE MAINTENANCE OFFICIAL DECLARING THE PROPERTY TO BE UNSAFE.
UM, WE CAN GET IN THE PHOTOGRAPH CARD, CONNIE, IF YOU WANNA.
SO WE'LL GO OVER THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
UH, DUE THE FACT THAT THE PROPERTY WAS DECLARED UNSAFE, TOWN STAFF DID NOT ENTER TO THE BUILDING.
SO PART OF THE LETTER DECLARING THE BUILDING UNSAFE, UH, GAVE THE OWNER A CERTAIN DEADLINE TO ABATE THE PROBLEM.
THAT WAS PART OF THE LETTER THAT THE, THE OWNER HAD COME UP WITH A PLAN ABATEMENT PLAN TO WITH THIS STRUCTURE.
UH, THESE ARE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WERE TAKEN.
UH, LIKE I SAID, POUND STAFF DID NOT ENTER INTO THE STRUCTURE AS IT WAS DECLARED.
UH, THE, YOU CAN SEE THE FIRE DAMAGE OF THE STRUCTURE.
UH, ALL FLOORS WERE DAMAGED, UH, THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING.
SIGNIFICANT FIRE DAMAGE, UH, THE, FROM THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING ALL THROUGH THE WINDOWS, EVERYTHING, UH, FULLY ENGULFED IN FLAMES.
UM, AND THE FIRE DID SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO THE STRUCTURE.
UH, WE WAITED TILL WE GOT A REPORT FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL ON THAT BEFORE.
UM, UH, WITH THE, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE OFFICIAL ON THIS.
THERE'S THE AERIAL VIEWS OF THE BUILDING DAMAGE TO THE ROOF FIRE UP THROUGH THE ROOF DAMAGE THE TOP OF IT, UH, THE ENTIRE BUILDING WAS ENGULFED.
UM, OR THE CHIMNEY THERE THAT'S SHOWN ON THAT.
THE ROOF OF THE METAL STANDING SCENE, METAL ROOF.
A LITTLE BIT OF THE SIDING DID REMAIN, BUT UH, WAS CHARRED BY THE FIRE ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
IT APPEARS THAT THERE WAS, UM, AN INITIAL REVIEW FROM PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
IT WAS NOT SALVAGEABLE, THAT'S WHY IT WAS DECLARED UNSAFE.
YOU CAN GO SLOWER THROUGH THESE PHOTOGRAPHS IF YOU, UH, WANNA LOOK AT CERTAIN ONES.
AND WE DID NOT OBTAIN IN THE OFFICIAL, UH, LETTER FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A FATALITY IN THE STRUCTURE.
WE, WE FELT THAT WE DIDN'T WANNA SHARE THE COMPLETE, UH, REPORT FROM THEM, UH, OF THIS BUILDING.
THAT WAS NOT PART OF THIS PROCESS AS FAR AS THE DEMOLITION.
SO THAT WAS CONTAINED IN THEIR REPORT.
WE FELT THAT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE, UH, TO DISCLOSE THE ENTIRE REPORT, UH, WITH THAT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF VIEWS OF THE, THE STRUCTURE, THE DAMAGE THAT IT SUSTAINED FROM THE FIRE, UH, TOTALLY ENGULFED THE BUILDING.
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SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IN THE HISTORIC AREA 'CAUSE THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1890.BUT, UH, TOTAL LOSS FOR THE STRUCTURE, YOU PART ON THE SIDE THAT REMAIN WHERE IT WASN'T, UH, FULLY CHARRED.
BUT THE BUILDING DID, UH, PAINT, OBTAIN SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO THAT.
UM, SO ANYWAY, FOR A DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURE, AGAIN, HOUND STAFF CANNOT APPROVE THAT.
IT HAS BEEN DECLARED UNSAFE TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE OFFICIAL, GIVING THE OWNER, UH, A TIME PERIOD TO COME UP WITH AN ABATEMENT PLAN, HOW TO, UH, REMEDY THIS SITUATION.
'CAUSE IT IS DECLARED UNSAFE, UH, THE AVENUE THEY CHOSE.
NOW THE PRESENT OWNER IS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF IT.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR TOWN STAFF? I DO.
I'M ASSUMING, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WELL, NO, NO.
AFTER YOUR REPORT, UM, THEN THE APPLICANT DOES.
THE APPLICANT HAS THEIR CHANCE.
SO YOU ALL CAN ASK QUESTIONS AFTER THAT TO JOHN.
YOU GUYS WANNA COME ON UP? HE, HE MADE EVERYTHING PRETTY CLEAR.
UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS.
WE ARE GOING, WE HAVE ONE SCHEDULED TO TEAR, TEAR IT DOWN.
I MEAN THE TREE ON THE LEFT IS HE AS SPOKE IS ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO IT'S NOT ALL ON THIS PROPERTY.
THERE'S ONE LIMB THAT WILL HAVE TO BE TRIMMED IN THAT TREE.
BUT I WILL NOT TEAR THAT TREE.
I WILL NOT DAMAGE ANY, NO BIG TREE LIKE THAT.
I MEAN WE'VE BUILT, BUILT IN WARREN COUNTY FOR 35 YEARS.
I TRY TO DO THE HIGHEST QUALITY WE CAN DO.
SOMETIMES WE DON'T MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS WE SHOULD, BUT I PUT MY NAME ON LIKE, UH, AND WE HAVE SOME REFERENCES TO SOME TOWNHOUSES AND SOME OTHER STUFF I'VE DONE.
I MEAN EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW ME LIKE THAT, BUT, UH, WE'RE READY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE WANNA TEAR IT DOWN AND GET IT DOWN 'CAUSE IT'S A LIABILITY TO US.
THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY OF REBUILDING IT THERE.
THE FOUNDATION IS NOT STRUCTURALLY, IT'S SETTING ON DIRT.
I MEAN IT WAS BUILT IN 1890 BUT THAT'S WHY THEY BUILT EVERYTHING IN 1890.
BUT THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN BUILD BACK ON THAT FOUNDATION.
'CAUSE I'VE HEARD COMMENTS COME THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE SOMEWHERE BACK TO ME THAT IT WAS QUESTIONED.
COULD WE BUILD IT BACK? THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN BUILD BACK ON THAT FOUNDATION.
'CAUSE IF I HAVE TO SELL IT IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, I HAVE TO WARRANTY THE FOUNDATION FOR FIVE YEARS AND THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT CAN BE DONE.
AND THE LADY HERE WAS MADE A COMMENT.
I HEARD HER SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT WHEN IT'S TORE DOWN THE, THE DUST.
I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE TOWN ABOUT TRYING TO GIMME A FIRE HOSE TO KEEP IT WET WHEN IT COMES DOWN.
IT'S AN ISSUE WITH THEM FOR OUR HOSE CROSSING THE STREET.
SO WE'RE GOING WITH TRYING TO EVEN, WE DON'T DO NOTHING BUT HOOK TO THE LINE THAT WAS TO THE HOUSE TO SCRAP, TRY TO SPRAY WATER ON IT.
'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA MESS UP ANYTHING YOU HAVE.
DO YOU, UM, HAVE YOU HAD A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TAKE A LOOK AT IT, SIR, I'M 35 YEARS.
YOU WALKED THROUGH THAT THING.
STUDS IS SUPPOSED TO BE NO CONVERSATIONS.
I, I, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO STICK TO THE, OKAY.
AND THEN CAN I ADD, CAN I JUST GO, WAIT, WAIT ONE SECOND.
SAY YOUR PIECE AND WE'LL ASK A QUESTION.
YOU WANT ME TO SAY MY PIECE PLEASE? I, WELL, I'VE BEEN IN THE HOUSE, I'VE WALKED THE WHOLE HOUSE.
UH, IN THAT, IN THOSE YEARS THOSE HOUSES WAS BUILT.
YOU HAD A TWO AND A HALF, TWO INCH BY FOUR AND A HALF INCH STUD.
SOME PLACES IN THAT HOUSE, THE STUDS ARE A HALF INCH.
I MEAN, THAT PLACE, THE ROOF IS TOTALLY GONE.
I COLLECT ANTIQUES, I COLLECT EVERYTHING.
YOU COULD SCREW IN THERE AND SPEND $450,000 IN SOMEBODY'S POCKET.
I'D RATHER USE SOMEBODY ELSE'S POCKET AND REBUILD THAT.
IT'S WORTH $450,000 WHEN YOU DONE IT.
AND I'M NOT IN THE BUSINESS TO TEAR IT DOWN, REBUILD IT LIKE THAT.
IT JUST, IT'S NOT STRUCTURALLY NOTHING THERE TO REBUILD.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SAY? NO, WE ASKED.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
YOU NEED TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING.
SORRY, THIS IS KIND OF A NEW THING THAT WE WERE THAT'S OKAY.
YOU CAN ASK STAFF AND THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME AND THEN ONCE EVERYBODY'S DONE, JUST OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I WANTED, MY QUESTION IS FOR STAFF, YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR REPORT THAT THE OWNER RECEIVED A LETTER ABOUT AN ABATEMENT PLAN WITH A DEADLINE.
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THAT THE CURRENT OWNER OR THE PREVIOUS OWNER? THE PREVIOUS OWNER ON UH, AND DID THAT TRANSFER WITH THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY? THERE'S A NO, THEY, UH, THE, THE OWNER THAT OWNED IT IN, IN MAY YES.RECEIVED THE LETTER FROM TOWN STAFF DECLARING THE PROPERTY UNSAFE.
THEN IN JUNE, UH, THEY REPLIED GIVING THEM A DEADLINE FOR AN ABATEMENT PLAN.
EITHER HOW ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE THE STRUCTURE WHERE IT IS NOT UNSAFE, WHETHER THEY CHOSE TO, UH, HIGH LIKELIHOOD TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING.
UH, THEY HAD TO COME UP WITH AN ABATEMENT PLAN TO REMEDY THE SITUATION TO MAKE IT NOT, UH, UNSAFE.
SO RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT OWNERS DO NOT HAVE THAT SAME PLAN IN PLACE.
THAT WAS FOR THE PREVIOUS OWNER.
PREVIOUS OWNER RECEIVED THE VIOLATION.
SO THE PRESENT OWNER WAS AWARE OF THE OBVIOUSLY THE, THE NATURE OF THE BUILDING YES.
WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE BUILDING? YES.
ANYBODY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTIONS.
YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF BUILDING BUILDINGS.
YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT BEING SAID, YOU HAVE NOT HAD A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WALK THROUGH THAT BUILDING AND WRITE ANYTHING DOWN WITH A STAMP ON IT THAT SAYS THIS FOUNDATION IS TOO BAD TO SAVE.
WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD DAVE BEAM, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL OF WARREN COUNTY.
HE'S BEEN THERE AND HE'S, UH, WROTE A LETTER SAYING THAT THE FOUNDATION AND THE HOUSE IS NOWHERE, HAS NO STRUCTURE.
AND THE FOUNDATION HE DO NOT, DOES NOT RECOMMEND A BUILDING OWNER.
DO YOU HAVE THAT THE STAFF HAVE THAT LETTER? NO, I, I GOT A COPY OF IT.
I'D LOVE, CAN I SEE IT? MM-HMM.
AND IF YOU CAN SEND ME A COPY OF THAT.
I WAS GONNA GIVE IT TO EVERYBODY TONIGHT, BUT THANK YOU.
I DIDN'T, I COULDN'T BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE, THEY DIDN'T GIMME THE PACKAGE.
NOW I NEED THAT BACK ION THE FOUNDATION THAT THE LOCATION INDICATED ABOVE WILL NOT BE CAPABLE OF BEING USED TO RECONSTRUCT A STRUCTURE DUE TO THE FIRE THAT TOOK PLACE.
FIRES CAUSED THE FOUNDATION TO BE HEATED TO A DEGREE THAT WILL NOT ALLOW IT TO BE USED AS STRUCTURAL LOAD BEARING SUPPORT FOR ANY TYPE OF BUILDING PLACED ON IT.
CAN I SPEAK TO THAT MAY BE PLEASE.
UH, THE LIMESTONE, WHEN THEY MADE LIME, THEY TOOK LIMESTONE AND THEY HEATED IT AND THAT'S WHAT YOU ENDED UP WITH.
SO AS LIMESTONE HEATS IT CRYSTALLIZES AND IT HAS NO STRUCTURAL ABILITY.
YOU ESSENTIALLY HAVE TO REBUILD THE WHOLE FOUNDATION WITH NEW LIMESTONE.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU CANNOT FIND, THAT'S VERY HARD TO FIND.
NOW THIS ABATEMENT THING, UM, YOU MENTIONED BRINGING IN A HOSE, WORKING WITH THE TOWN, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THAT DOESN'T, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT YET.
I TALKED TO TONY WITH TOWN PUBLIC WORKS AND ABOUT GET, GETTING ME A FIRE HYDRANT AND UH, A HOSE.
AND HE WAS THE ONLY, HIS ONLY CONCERN WAS CROSSING BLUE RIDGE AVENUE WITH THE HOSE DURING THE DAY.
SO I WILL APPROACH THE TA THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR HE TOLD ME, JUST USE THE LINE OUT OF THE GROUND AND PUT A HOSE ON THAT.
AND AS WE'RE TEARING IT DOWN TO SPRAY IT, BECAUSE I'VE DONE, I DIDN'T COME UP WITH ALL THOSE IDEAS LIKE THAT.
HAVE YOU DONE A, HAVE YOU DONE A DEMOLITION LIKE THIS BEFORE ON A FIRE DAMAGE STRUCTURE? NOT A FIRE DAMAGE ONE.
I DID NINTH STREET, THE OLD, UH, KEY WALL HOUSE.
HOW DO YOU DO IT? UH, TRACK CODE.
OH, THAT'S CALLED ANGER MANAGEMENT
YOU JUST STARTED THE TOP, STARTED PUSHING WALLS IN ON THE TOP AND WE HAD NO COMPLAINTS ABOUT ANY, ANYTHING THERE.
YOU MENTIONED THE LARGE TREE ON THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S SOME OTHER TREES AROUND THERE.
THERE'S A COUPLE TREES ON THE BACK, BUT THEY HAVE TO, UH, AND THERE'S A BIG TREE AGAINST THE HOUSE THAT'S JUST NOTHING BUT A NUISANCE TREE THAT WILL DEFINITELY THERE OTHER TREES.
WHAT'S THAT? THE HOLLY TREE? WELL NOW I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A, IT'S, THERE WAS A HOLLY TREE.
OH, THE HOLLY TREE MIGHT HAVE BURNED.
BUT THERE WAS A TREE BACK THIS BIG AROUND, RIGHT UP AGAINST THE HOUSE THAT WILL NOT SURVIVE.
THERE'S A COUPLE ON THE BACK PROPERTY LINE.
I HAVEN'T PAID NO ATTENTION TO WHAT THEY ARE.
THEY WILL HAVE TO BE TRIMMED, BUT TO ME THEY'RE TRASH TREES.
I'D RATHER PLANT SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE NEW CODE,
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ON THE TREE CODE THAT WILL GROW UP INTO, YOU KNOW, A NICE RED OAK OR, YOU KNOW, MAKES THAT PRETTY COLOR AND EVERYTHING INSTEAD THAN WHAT I CALL A TRASH TREE.OKAY, SO THINKING ABOUT SAVING SOME TREES.
WE'RE GONNA KNOCK THINKING ABOUT
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
NOW I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANNA COME UP AND TALK? JUST FUN.
IT'S OUR SISTER'S HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
SHE IS OUT OF TOWN SO WE JUST OKAY.
SHE WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN? OKAY.
AND I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE? NO, WE'RE GOOD.
I MEAN, UH, IF YOU GOT ANYTHING TO DO, WE WORK WITH Y'ALL EVERY DAY.
THESE PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING, IN BUILDING OFFICES.
WE JUST GOTTA GET THROUGH THE, GET THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, NEED TO MAKE SOME KIND OF A MOTION TO ALLOW FOR DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, SOMEBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? WE MIGHT HAVE TO VOTE ON IT YET.
ALL WE'RE VOTING ON IS DEMOLITION.
WELL, YEAH, BUT WE GOTTA MAKE A MOTION BEFORE WE CAN HAVE OUR DISCUSSION.
ACCORDING TO THIS DOCUMENT HERE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR THE DEMOLITION OF TWO 40 BLUE RIDGE AVENUE AS PROPOSED.
NOW, NOW WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION.
SO THINKING ABOUT SAVING SOME TREES.
SO THE LOT OVERALL LOOK OF THE LOT WOULD REMAIN MUCH THE SAME.
WE GOT AN EXPERIENCED CONTRACTOR THAT HAS A PLAN FOR THE DEMOLITION WITH DUST MANAGEMENT.
AND HOW ARE YOU GONNA BRING IN, UH, DUMPSTERS? CAN'T, CAN'T ASK YOU REAL QUICK.
DID JESPER'S DISCUSSION WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE BAR TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT? YOU BROUGHT UP THE ABATEMENT THING.
WHAT IF WE TO ENCOMPASS KIND OF GETTING THE DEMOLITION DONE IN A SAFE AND APPROPRIATE WAY? WE AS A STIPULATION THE APPROVAL, HAVING THAT PLAN LAID OUT BEFORE THEY, THEY PROCEED.
OH, I JUST SIMPLY WONDERED IF THEY WERE UP AGAINST A DEADLINE.
THAT WAS MY WELL THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT IF THAT ABATEMENT TRANSFERRED WITH THEM AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY WERE PUSHED UP AGAINST A DEADLINE TO GET THIS DONE.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO KNOW IF IT TRANSFERRED.
WELL I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE IN PLACE.
JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS.
WE MAY GO THROUGH THE, WELL YOU CAN DISCUSS, UM, I GUESS AS WE'RE DOING THIS WE SHOULD GO THROUGH THIS AGREEMENT.
SO IT'S A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
IT WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE AND DIFFICULT TO REBUILD THAT.
LIKE MR. DO SAID YOU WOULDN'T MAKE ANY MONEY.
IT WOULD BE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE.
A LABOR OF LOVE AND ENOUGH, NOT MUCH MORE PERCENT.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A AN ENGINEER REPORT, BUT WE DO HAVE A GENTLEMAN FROM THE TOWN THAT SAYS THE FOUNDATION CAN'T BE SAVED.
UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY EXPERT WITNESSES, SO WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE FEASIBILITY COST WOULD BE MUCH HIGHER.
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I CAN'T ASK IF THEY HAVE RIGHTSO THEN MY QUESTION FOR DISCUSSION COMES TO YOU BECAUSE IT'S YOUR PROFESSION TO THE SALVAGING PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING, YOU FEEL FAIRLY CONFIDENT.
THERE'S PORTIONS OF THE EXTERIOR THAT IF YOU WANTED TO, COULD SOME OF THAT SIDING, SAL TRIM HOLDING ON THE FRONT, THE BASE OF THE TURRET, ALL THAT STUFF.
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO, TO, YOU COULD.
BUT IF YOU WALK INTO THE BUILDING, ALL THOSE STUDS ARE BURN UP, BURN.
YOU HAVE TO GUT THAT WHOLE PLACE WITH TEAR THREE QUARTERS OF IT DOWN AND THEN REBUILD THE FOUNDATION.
MAYBE THAT CENTRAL CHIMNEY MAYBE IS RED, MAYBE THE OTHER ONE YOU, YOU SAW IT GOT SO HOT.
THE WHOLE ROOF STRUCTURE IS BUCKLED.
THAT FIRE WENT UP ALL THE WAY TO THE ROOF, GOT SO HOT IT THE ROOF BOWED IN.
'CAUSE THOSE RAFTERS ARE GONE.
BUT IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
AND THEN HONESTLY IT BECOMES A MATTER OF HOW LONG WILL IT SIT THERE LIKE THAT.
UNTIL THE RIGHT BUYER COMES ALONG TO DO IT.
WHICH THIS DAY AND AGE COULD BE INDEFINITELY.
THINK IT'S VERY WINDY, THAT WE'RE TERRIFYING.
YEAH'S GONNA COME FLYING OFF IN.
AND THAT REALLY IS THE, THE ISSUE HERE.
YOU GOT PEOPLE, THERE'S PEOPLE RUNNING IN AND OUT OF THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
I'VE SEEN KIDS COMING IN AND OUT OF IT.
SO ON THIS ONE I DON'T, I DON'T SEE AN OPTION.
WE ALREADY MADE A MOTION TO GO FORWARD AS APPROVED.
WOULD WE WANNA VOTE ON IT? SURE.
UM, WHAT'S NEXT? I THINK THAT'S IT.
WE CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING ALREADY.
ANY OTHER BUSINESS? UM, IS THERE SOME WAY THAT WE COULD GET CONTRACTORS, A LIST OF CONTRACTORS FOR, YOU KNOW, FINDING THESE MATERIALS TO REPLACE LIKE THE WINDOWS ON MAIN STREET? I JUST, I HAVE A HARD TIME.
BELIEVING THAT THERE IS JUST NO WAY TO DO IT.
BECAUSE I KNEW A GUY THAT WORKED OUT HERE SOCIETY THAT HE WOULD REPLACE WOODEN WINDOWS ALSO.
A BUNCH OF THEM AT FORT NORFOLK.
I MEAN MAGAN, IT WASN'T THAT EXPENSIVE.
I, BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD OFFER A LIST OF CONTRACTORS WHO ARE AVAILABLE.
IF YOU'RE AT A LOSS AND YOU CAN'T, CAN WE DO THAT LEGALLY OR CAN THE TOWN POST IT ON THE WEBSITE? YEAH.
LIKE, UH, I GUESS YOU'D BE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN RECOMMEND.
YEAH, WE DON'T RECOMMEND MULTIPLES.
I THINK THAT TRAINING DID BURG THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT WAS LIKE CONTRACTORS COULD LIKE APPLY TO BE LISTED OR SOMETHING.
THEY HAD SOME SORT OF RESOURCE.
I JUST, IT DOESN'T SEEM FAIR THAT WE WOULD JUST APPROVE THINGS JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY SAYS THEY CAN'T FIND RIGHT.
I KNOW SOMEBODY WHO DID THE ENTIRE RENOVATION OF MONTPELIER IN MADISON, LIKE BY HIMSELF.
I I'M SURE IT COULD BE DONE, IT COULD BE.
I DON'T WANNA DO THE WORK FOR THEM.
BUT I DON'T WANNA SAY YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND KEEP YEAH.
WE CAN'T GET, WE CAN'T RECOMMEND.
SO LIKE THAT WHOLE TIME, ALL I WANTED TO SAY WAS YEAH,
SO, AND THERE'S NO WAY OF VERIFYING IT WHETHER OR NOT THEY LOOK FOR OTHER QUOTES OR NOT.
JUST GOING TO THE ONE LUMBER PLACE AND WINDING PRE-MADE WINDOWS IS JUST, THAT'S NOT, I MEAN IT'S HARD.
YOU BUY AN OLD HOUSE OR AN OLD BUILDING AND I MEAN THERE'S A CERTAIN, I FEEL LIKE EXPECTATION THAT COMES ALONG WITH THAT.
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YOU'RE GONNA BE FACED WITH HAVING TO FIX SOMETHING THAT MALFUNCTIONS ON IT.AND THERE SHOULD BE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT IT, IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE IT WAS.
WELL THAT IF POSSIBLE, I THINK IF YOU ALL PROVIDE US A LIST, WE CAN RUN IT THROUGH AND SEE IF IT'S VETTED PROPERLY TO BE THE LIST OF COMPANIES THAT THEY CAN CONTACT.
I THINK PUTTING A STATEMENT THERE THAT YOU'RE NO WAY ENDORSING ANYBODY JUST YEAH.
THIS IS JUST SOME OPTION THAT WE'RE PROVIDING YOU WITH.
WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE IT SEE IT PROPERLY VETTED.
I MEAN COULD WE GO THROUGH OLD APPLICATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE DONE GET IT RIGHT.
IS THERE SOME WAY THAT WE COULD JUST GO BACK AND WE DON'T HAVE A LIST OF CONTRACTORS WITH APPLICATIONS LIKE THAT? YEAH.
YOU HAVE TO CALL 'EM AND ASK WHO DID IT.
I MEAN THAT IS STAFF FOR THAT.
AND I KNOW A GUY CALLS WORKING.
DOES IT FOR A LIVING ON ADD TO IT AS WE FIND PEOPLE.
UM, I HAVE A, SO THAT BRINGS ME BACK TO, IS SOMEBODY GONNA GO LOOK AT THE APPLICATION FOR THE OTHER MAIN STREET BUILDING THAT THEY REFERENCED? ABSOLUTELY.
AND I PULLED IT UP IN HERE AND IT SAID THAT THEY WERE GONNA TRY TO SAVE ALL THE WINDOWS.
AND IF THEY HAD TO REPLACE ANY, THEY WOULD BE WOOD.
LIKE FOR LIKE I'M HUNDRED, HUNDRED PERCENT THAT THEY'RE NOT, I'M NOT ON THE FRONT.
I NEVER SAW ANY THEY DID DID IT AT NIGHT MAYBE, BUT I NEVER SAW 'EM.
THEY WERE, THEY ARE, THEY ARE WORKING REALLY EARLY IN THE MORNINGS.
'CAUSE I WALK IN THE MORNINGS AND I SEE THEM AND THEY'RE VERY EARLY.
WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA GO CHECK IT OUT FOR SURE.
AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE, WHERE ARE WE WITH BLUE RIDGE AND THE FENCE? NOWHERE WE'VE NOT HEARD FROM HIM.
HE'S STEPS NOT DOING ANYTHING ELSE.
THE, HE HASN'T TRIED TO RESUME THAT, BUT I THINK HE'S FIXED AS MUCH AS THE INTENTS EFFECTS.
THERE'S STILL PIECES LAYING IN THE FRONT YARD.
SO WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS WITH THAT? I KNOW WE PUT A STOP WORK ORDER ON IT.
'CAUSE HE WAS USING THE INAPPROPRIATE MATERIAL.
AND ASKED THAT HE DID NOT APPEAL THAT DECISION THAT HE WAS USING INAPPROPRIATE MATERIAL.
SO WE ASKED HIM TO PUT AN APPLICATION IN TO FIX IT.
HE HAS NOT PUT AN APPLICATION IN TO DO IT.
IS IT JUST GONNA BE INDEFINITE? YEAH.
OR DOES HE, ARE WE GONNA CHARGE HIM WITH A, WHATEVER.
THAT WAS SOME KIND OF A PLAN THAT HE USED TO WELL YOU APPROVED HIM TO PUT A FENCE IN, IF YOU RECALL.
YOU APPROVED HIM TO PUT A FENCE.
HE JUST USED THE WRONG MATERIAL.
HE WAS APPROVED FENCE IN AT THAT MEETING.
YOU ALL REINFORCED TO HIM IT HAD TO BE WOOD AND THAT WAS IN THOSE MINUTES FROM NIGHT.
HE HAD ABOUT SIX POST OF, OF PLANKS.
THEY, AND YEAH, I MEAN HE EVEN WANTS TO COME BACK AND APPEAL TO, TO DO A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE A NEIGHBOR HAS A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY.
SO WE, WE DON'T KNOW IF HE'S COMING FOR THAT.
I, IT, IT, SO IT JUST, NOTHING.
WELL, UH, WE'LL PICK ACTION ON HIM WITH ANOTHER LETTER.
HE DID STOP WORK ASKING HIM TO COME IN FOR AN APPLICATION.
HAS ANYBODY MADE ANY PROGRESS ON THE GUIDELINE REVIEW? OKAY.
I NEVER GOT THE LETTER FROM LAUREN.
NO, SHE SAID THAT WE WERE WAITING ON A YOU WERE GONNA SEND SOME KIND OF AN ELECTRONIC SIGNATURE OR SOMETHING? SHE WAS GONNA SEND ME THE LETTER.
ALSO DON'T THINK WE EVER GOT OUR INFORMATION ON HOW TO SET UP EMAIL.
I'LL JUST SCRATCH OUT STUFF THAT'S
DON'T FORGET TO SEND ME A COPY OF THAT.
I MIGHT, I HAVE TO BRING THOSE BACK TO YOU.
GIVE THOSE TO HER FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'LL JUST BRING THEM BACK THAT.
SORRY, I JUST HAVE TO SEND ALL THIS TO SO GUIDELINE REVIEW.
I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER WHERE WE STOPPED, WHICH WAS NOT, UM, RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST FIRST THREE
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ITEMS. THREE ITEMS. YEAH.WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE REARRANGING THINGS WE NEEDED, IT'S CUTTING OUT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S BEING REPEATED OVER AND OVER.
REALLY GOING THROUGH THE ADDITIONS.
JUST READING, JUST DO THIS, JUST READ THROUGH IT AND MAKE SOME NOTES ON IT.
AND THEN FOR THE NEXT MEETING WE'LL GO THROUGH IT.
WE'LL HAVE AN MEETING IN THE OFFICE, OBVIOUSLY.
WHAT DATE IS THAT? IS IT THE SIXTH OR THE 13TH? 13TH OR IT'S NOT THE SECOND WEEK.
IT'LL BE THE 13TH AND THEY WILL
THE SOUTH'S WILL FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO TO GET IT IN.
I MEANT TO PACK ONTO THE APPROVAL THAT THEY PROVIDE A PLAN, BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T ASK THAT.
ALL WE ALL, ALL YOU COULD DO IS GO THROUGH THE DEMOLITION.
WE COULD HAVE AMENDED THE, WE COULD HAVE AMENDED THE CAVEAT, THE APPROVAL, THE DEMOLITION PROVIDED.
THEY GIVE US A, A PLAN THAT OUTLINES EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
IT SAYS THAT THEY'RE GONNA SAVE THE TREES.
IS IT TOO LATE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT? THAT LAST
TO WHAT? TO OUR LAST APPROVAL FOR, FOR A APPLICATION.
BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T PUT ANY CONDITIONS.
TRYING TO GET, UH, ABOUT THE TREES.
ALSO COULD HAVE REQUIRED A BOND.
I DIDN'T THINK THAT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF OVERKILL, BUT I DID WANT TO SEE A, A PLAN THAT
I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
OH, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IT NOW TOMORROW.
SCHEDULE ALREADY THE DISCUSSION.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S ADJOURNED.
LET'S, ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.