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WE ARE LIVE.[Town Council Work Session on July 8, 2024.]
ARE LIVE.WE GOOD? SO, I'M GONNA CALL THE FRONT ROW TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, JULY 8TH TO ORDER MS. PRESSLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR COCHRAN.
ACTUALLY, OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS OUR CLOSED MEETING.
AND SO, UM, IS SOMEBODY ABLE TO READ US INTO CLOSE PLEASE? MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THE TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE AT A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 AND 2.2 DASH 37 12 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE.
PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11, A SEVEN OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL, BRIEFING BY STAFF MEMBERS OR CONSULTANTS PERTAINING TO ACTUAL LITIGATION WHERE SUCH CONSULTATION OR BRIEFING AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEGOTIATING OR LITIGATING POSTURE OF THE PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY HAVE HAD LLC VERSUS TOWN COUNCIL.
AND WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.
MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL PLACE? MAYOR
YOU HAD NO IDEA HOW MUCH YOU WERE GONNA BE IN TECHNOLOGY, HUH? OKAY.
CERTIFY THAT TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE AS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBER'S AFFIRMATIVE VOTE THAT ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED, WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE CLOSED MEETING BY COUNCIL.
AND THAT THE VOTE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND RECORDED AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF TOWN COUNCIL.
ALRIGHT, SO ITEM THREE A IS, UM, CASH MANAGEMENT SERVICES.
MR. WE DO THAT ONE WOULD BE YOU.
SO, THE, UH, TOWN, UH, PUTS ITS BANKING SERVICES, CASH MANAGEMENT SERVICES, OUT TO BID ROUTES OF RFP EVERY FIVE YEARS.
UM, WE DID, SO AGAIN, HAD SIX RESPONDENTS.
I HAD OUR, UH, PANEL REVIEW OR INTERVIEW.
THREE OF THE RESPONDENTS REVIEWED ALL OF THE PROPOSALS THAT CAME IN.
AND, UM, ATLANTIC UNION BANK, UH, DID RISE TO THE TOP FOR US.
UH, THE TOWN HAS BEEN DOING BUSINESS WITH UNION BANK FOR APPROXIMATELY, UH, 10 YEARS.
UH, THIS WOULD BE A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT, UH, BY EXTENDING IT TO A TOTAL OF 15 YEARS.
UH, REP OR STARTED OFF AS REP HAN BANK, UNION BANK.
NOW AS ATLANTIC UNION BANK, UM, THEY'VE DONE EXCEPTIONAL WITH THE TOWN'S INVESTMENTS.
THEY CAN HANDLE OUR ENTIRE PORTFOLIO OF INVESTMENTS.
UH, RECENTLY THEY DID ACQUIRE A NEW HIRE.
UH, THEY CAME JOIN THEIR INVESTMENTS TEAM FROM, UH, V-L-G-I-P VIRGINIA LOCAL INVESTMENT POOL.
UH, THAT IS THE, UH, KIND OF THE MARK TO BEAT IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA AS FAR AS INVESTMENTS GO.
AND THEY BROUGHT SOMEBODY NEW ON BOARD.
THEY'VE BEEN DOING GOOD WITH OUR INVESTMENTS, UH, UH, BEFORE, BUT I LOOK FOR THEM TO BE EVEN BETTER NOW, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
UH, AND THEN ALSO THEIR ONLINE CAPABILITIES, UH, HAVE, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED AS WELL.
OUR TECHNOLOGY FOR THE TOWN ISN'T QUITE THERE YET, BUT, UH, WE DO HOPE TO GET THERE HERE IN THE FUTURE WITH OUR RFP.
OUR, THAT'S, UH, OUR RFI THAT'S GONNA BE GOING OUT FOR, UH, FINANCIAL SOFTWARE SERVICES.
UM, WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I NOTICE THAT SAYS STAFF RECOMMENDS FOR COUNCIL TO APPROVE IT.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? NO, I MEAN, I JUST, I SAW IN THEIR PROPOSAL WHERE THEY ADMITTED THAT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, HAD HAD SOME, UH, ISSUES THERE, LIKE THE LOCAL RANCH.
I MEAN, IN YOUR OPINION, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS RECOMMENDED PAYMENT FOR THEM, BUT SEEMS LIKE YEAH, WE'VE, UM, RESOLVED, WE'VE DISCUSSED IT, WE'VE DISCUSSED THE ISSUES AND THE, UH, AND THEY HAVE TAKEN STRIDES TO IMPROVE THOSE ISSUES.
AND THEY, UH, THEY CAN HANDLE, UH, THE, THE VOLUME OF WORK THAT WE DO.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING, IS BEING ABLE TO HANDLE THE VOLUME THE, THAT GOES THROUGH THE TOWN, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT AND I APPRECIATED THAT THEY CAME OUT WITH THAT.
I, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, UH, REALIZED THE AIR BROUGHT IT TO THEIR ATTENTION AND HAVE ADDRESSED IT.
AND YOU MENTIONED ABOUT MORE ONLINE STUFF.
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I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE THAT IS THE FUTURE.I REALLY WONDER IF THE FUTURE WILL EVEN HAVE BRICK AND MORTAR BANK BECAUSE IT'S JUST, THAT'S WHERE IT'S ALL GOING.
UM, BUT NOT THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF IT, I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S HOW IT IS.
SO IT IS, THAT'S THE, THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.
I'D LIKE TO GO ANYWHERE IN PERSON.
I JUST, I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE.
EVERY NOW AND THEN I'D LIKE TO JUST TALK TO SOMEBODY AND ON THE PHONE ABOUT A PROBLEM INSTEAD OF LIKE GOING INTO A CHAT ON THE LINE.
AND, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S, AND HELLO, MY NAME IS CLOUD.
THAT WAS THE GUY I DEALT WITH LAST NIGHT.
WELL HOW CAN I HELP YOU? AND YOU'RE LIKE, BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH.
SO, ANYWAY, BUT, AND THAT WAS SOME OF THE RESPONDENTS THAT WE RECEIVED AND, UM, I'M, WE'RE OF THE SAME MINDSET.
ALRIGHT, SO EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THAT.
WE'LL JUST ADD IT TO OUR JULY 22ND.
AND THEN THE NEXT THING IS ALSO MR. WILSON.
I LIKE HOW HE PUT YOU AT THE BEGINNING.
UH, THIS IS, UH, FOR THE PURCHASE OF A PRESSURE REDUCING, UH, VALVE VAULT, UH, PRV VAULT, UH, FOR JAMESTOWN ROAD.
WE DID PURCHASE VERY SIMILAR VAULT, UH, JUST TWO YEARS AGO.
AND IT INCLUDED THE HATCH FOR THE VAULT.
AND IT WAS, UH, 30,000, I'M SORRY, IT WAS, UM, YEAH, $30,246 THERE.
UM, AND AS YOU SEE THIS ONE COME IN AT 54,941.
AND THAT IS THE GIST, THE VAULT.
AND DOES NOT INCLUDE, UH, THE HATCH.
THE HATCH THE TOWN IS SUPPLYING BECAUSE, UH, WE DID HAVE A PROBLEM GETTING THE LAST HATCH.
SO THE PRICE IS NEARLY DOUBLED, UM, BECAUSE THE VALUE DOES EXCEED $50,000.
WE'RE REQUESTING COUNTS TO APPROVE.
UH, WE DID HAVE THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO PURCHASE THE VAULT.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO BE SEARCHING A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY FOR INSTALLATION, MOST LIKELY.
UM, BUT, UM, UH, IT'LL TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS FOR THE VAULT TO BE BUILT AND COME IN.
SO DID, DID YOU JUST PUT A VAULT ON JAMESTOWN ROAD A COUPLE YEARS AGO? UH, THEY PUT ONE ON RICHMOND ROAD.
THEY PUT ONE ON JAMESTOWN WHERE THAT PUMPING STATION IS POSSIBLY.
I'D HAVE TO HAVE ROBBIE HERE TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHERE THIS ONE BELONGS.
THE, UH, WHAT WAS IT ROBINHOOD? ROBINHOOD AS WELL? THAT ONE? NO, THERE'S ONE RIGHT THERE.
BECAUSE THEY DUG UP, THEY DUG JAMESTOWN ROAD.
THAT WASN'T, YEAH, THAT WASN'T THE VAULT.
THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH JAMESTOWN THAT I THINK ROBBIE AND HIS HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF REPAIRING.
BUT RUNNING THE DIP, I THOUGHT THEY DUG IT UP.
UM, THEY DID DO THE WATER LINE THERE.
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OF.
UM, I KNOW THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK OUT THERE, BUT I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE THIS ONE IS LOCATED EVERY DAY OF THE WEEKEND.
BUT I CAN, I'LL GET WITH ROBBIE AND I CAN GET BACK TO YOU AND LET YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT'S AT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY A ROBBIE QUESTION, BUT PERHAPS JOE WOULD KNOW IF THIS WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE ISSUES.
'CAUSE I LIVE OFF OF JAMESTOWN AND I KNOW THAT IT IS DUG UP VERY OFTEN.
UM, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ISSUES OUT THERE WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT THAT STATION IN PARTICULAR.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE AND REMEDIATE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.
THE ACTUAL PUMP STATION ITSELF IS IN PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING.
UM, THE, UH, WE HAVE MONEY IS SET ASIDE TO TRY TO MOVE THAT PROJECT FORWARD.
UH, THAT IS, UH, UH, PROBABLY A COUPLE MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT JUST TO UPGRADE THOSE PUMPS.
UH, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER PUMPS I BELIEVE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
I WANT TO SAY THEY WERE, DON'T HOLD ME TO IT, BUT I WANT TO SAY THEY WERE INSTALLED IN 1979.
UM, SO YES, UH, WE, UM, WE'RE IN THE ENGINEERING, UH, PHASE OF THAT AND, UM, HOPE TO HAVE THAT PROJECT MOVING FORWARD, BUT, UH, IS THE AGE OF THE PUMP THAT'S ALLOWED THE ISSUE THERE WITH IT.
THIS IS A COMMENT MORE THAN IT IS A QUESTION, BUT AS WE, AS WE GET IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS WHERE PRICES THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE REALLY NOT THAT OLD.
I MEAN, OCTOBER OF 2022 ISN'T EVEN TWO YEARS.
AND AS WE SEE THIS KIND OF INFLATION, ONE CAN ONLY HOPE IT WILL GO DOWN.
BUT THAT, WHO KNOWS, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR FEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO THAT, SO THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
DOES THIS, I MEAN, DO WE TAKE THESE KINDS OF THINGS? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TECH FEES AND THIS AND THAT AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I HOPE THE ANSWER WAS YES, BUT I HAD TO SAY IT OUT LOUD JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I HEARD MYSELF SAY IT.
'CAUSE I'M THINKING, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT'S ALMOST DOUBLE AND I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT JUST BECAUSE OF THAT REASON.
'CAUSE IT WAS VERY UNEXPECTED FOR US.
AND I WOULD IMAGINE THIS WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME THAT SOME OF THE EXPENSES THAT WE, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, UH, SET OUR FEES AND OUR MONEY, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE
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THAT.WE'RE, WE'RE DOING IT ON DATA THAT WE'VE HAD.
BUT LITERALLY, IF YOU, IT WOULD BE TOTALLY REASONABLE TO USE DATA FROM LESS THAN TWO YEARS AGO.
BUT NOW YOU'RE LIKE, WHOA, THAT'S A LOT.
THAT PAINT IS BLACK THAT CAN'T BE USED.
THE PRB BELONG TO THE PUMP SHOULD
I WOULDN'T EVEN PRESSURE ON THAT.
I PROBABLY WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
I GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT ONE TOO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? MM-HMM.
SO THAT WILL ALSO GO TO JULY 22ND.
SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO OLD BUSINESS.
WE'RE PUTTING MORE ON YOU, BJ,
SO I'M JUST GONNA ASK THIS QUESTION WITH THE OLD BUSINESS.
DO WE WANNA START TACKLING A, WE HAVE 25 MINUTES.
WELL THAT, OR CAN WE NOT GO OUTTA ORDER? 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE ORDER AT THE BEGINNING.
WELL, WE CAN GET B IF YOU NO, I, I JUST WAS THINKING, IS B GONNA TAKE MORE THAN 25 MINUTES? 'CAUSE IF IT IS, I HOPE NOT.
I MEAN, IF A IS GONNA TAKE MORE THAN 25 MINUTES, SHOULD WE TACKLE B AND C AND GET IT OUTTA THE WAY? OR GO AHEAD AND START INTO A AND FINISH B AND C? ANYBODY HAVE ASSAULT? I WOULD PREFER YES, JOE.
I WAS ONLY GOING TO IN RECOGNITION OF STAFF BEING PRESENT AT THE MOMENT.
AND THEN WE HAVE A, PROBABLY A CLOSE THAT'S GONNA LAST AN HOUR.
AND B AND C ARE THINGS WE DON'T NEED STAFF FOR.
SO A IS FIVE A IS THE OLD BUSINESS OF THE REZONING APPLICATION FROM HANOCK, H-C-O-L-C REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING MAP TO RECLASSIFY 1321 HAPPY CREEK ROAD FROM R TWO SUBURBAN TO RESIDENTIAL TO R ONE.
WHAT I PASSED OUT IS A LETTER FROM HAN DEVELOPMENT GROUP, UH, THAT STAFF RECEIVED TODAY ON RESPONSES TO QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PUBLIC HEARING, AS WELL AS TOWN COUNCIL'S WORK SESSIONS.
AND I THINK JOHN, IF IF NOBODY HAS ANY OBJECTIONS, WE'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH THOSE QUESTIONS REAL QUICK AND THEN BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO WE RECEIVED THAT THIS AFTERNOON.
UH, THEY DID ASK SOME QUESTIONS.
YOU HAD THE WORK SESSION LAST MONDAY.
UH, SO THEY DID SEND SOME QUESTIONS TO WARREN COUNTY, THE REVENUE, UH, OFFICE, AND WITH THURSDAY AND FRIDAY, UH, COUNTY, YOU KNOW, BEING A HOLIDAY, UH, KIND OF REASON THAT THE, UH, LETTER, WE DID NOT RECEIVE THAT UNTIL TODAY.
SO THEY DID ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAD AT YOUR WORK SESSION LAST WEEK.
UH, THEY, THEY DID GIVE YOU A WRITTEN RESPONSE WITH THAT.
UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, UH, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WAS THE, UH, WIDTH ON ODIN STREET, UH, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT THEY, SOMEONE BELIEVE THE STREET WAS NOT WIDE ENOUGH.
WELL, THE STREET WIDTH IS 40 FOOT WIDE FACE CURB TO FACE CURB, UH, MORE SUFFICIENT, MORE THAN SUFFICIENT, WIDE ENOUGH EVEN TO MEET VDOT STANDARDS WITH PARKING ON BOTH SIDES.
THEY ONLY REQUIRE 36 FOOT PARKING ON BOTH SIDES.
OUR STREET IS 40 FOOT WIDE, SO IT IS MORE, MORE THAN SUFFICIENT.
IF YOU RAISE THE DAILY TRIPS TO THE HIGHEST BETWEEN 2000 AND 4,000, VDOT ON REQUIRES A 36 FOOT WIDE, UH, FACE THE CURB TO FACE THE CURB.
SO IT DOES MEET, UH, ABOVE WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR THAT TYPE OF STREET BASED ON THE, UH, DAILY TRIPS OF THE TRAFFIC.
UH, AND THAT WAS WITH ALL, ALL TRAFFIC GOING OUT THAT STREET.
SO IT EXCEEDS THAT EXPECTATION.
UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, UH, STORMWATER DRAINAGE BROUGHT UP AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, SO THE NEW SUBDIVISION WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ON THEIR SITE, TAKE AN ACCOUNT, A DRAINAGE AREA OFF SITE THAT FLOWS INTO THEIR PROPERTY.
SO THEY'LL HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT, UH, THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SOME PROBLEMS ON THE EXISTING SUBDIVISIONS.
BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND THOSE OLDER SUBDIVISIONS, UH, JULY 1ST, 2014, THE STATE MADE SWEEPING
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CHANGES TO STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.SO THIS, UH, PROJECT IN ALL PROJECTS AFTER 2014, UH, THEY HAD TO MEET NEWS FORM, WATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY STANDARDS.
SO THESE OLDER SUBDIVISIONS, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN DISCHARGING WATER, PROBABLY NOT INTO AN APPROPRIATE, UH, CHANNEL, UH, POSSIBILITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THEY, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FIX THE OTHER SUBDIVISION PROBLEMS, BUT THEY'LL TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS IT ENTERS THEIR PROBLEM OR INTO THEIR SITE.
UH, THEY ASKED ABOUT THE PROPERTY TAXES.
THEY DID A LITTLE BIT OF A STUDY ON THAT AND SHOWING THAT THE, UH, THE IMPACT, UH, FOR TAXES, POTENTIAL TAXES.
WELL, THERE'S AN OFFSET ON THAT.
DANIEL, UH, TOWN COSTS AT 1.51%.
UH, SO IF YOU READ THAT LITTLE BIT OF THE, THE PART OF THE QUESTION THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN WILL HAVE, UH, MORE MONEY AT THEIR DISPOSAL, UH, WHETHER WITHOUT RAISING TAXES WITH THE, UH, INCREASE, THE INCREASE IN REVENUE FROM THIS, UH, PROJECT.
UH, JOHN, I KNOW THAT THAT'S, I KNOW THAT'S THE, HERE THIS IS, UH, DIFFERENT.
YOU KNOW, IT WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, AS PATS THAT, UM, THAT PREPARED THIS.
BUT JUST OUT OF CUR, YOU KNOW, FOR PUBLIC AND EVERYBODY, WHAT, UM, WHERE DO THEY THINK THAT 407,620, UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S AN ANNUAL REVENUE SURPLUS.
WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM? UH, THAT'S IN THE PREVIOUS REPORT THAT YOU GOT WITH, UH, WITH YOUR PACKET, HOW THAT WAS GENERATED WITH ALL THE, UH, OTHER, IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE, WHEN, IF YOU NEED US TO GO BACK, WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE OTHER CHARTS, HOW THEY GENERATED THIS ESTIMATE HERE ON THE SURPLUS.
SO THEY PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION.
UH, IF YOU NEED US, WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT OTHER POWERPOINT.
YEAH, I, I JUST WAS SAYING FOR PEOPLE'S OKAY.
THE OTHER PART OF THAT INFORMATION WAS GIVEN TO YOU PREVIOUSLY THIS NUMBER.
SO THEN THEY ALSO, UH, THE WORK SESSION ABOUT THE REZONING, THEY DID INCLUDE THE, UH, OTHER MODEL, UH, FOR YOU.
UH, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, COMMENT NUMBER TWO, UH, THE IMPACT ANALYSIS.
UH, MAYBE IT WAS AN OVERESTIMATE OF LOCAL SALES REVENUE.
THEY DID CONTACT WARREN COUNTY COMMISSIONER REVENUES OFFICE ON THAT.
THEY, UH, THE WAY THE TREND IS, UH, NOW, UH, WE'RE SEEING AFTER POST COVID-19, UH, MORE PEOPLE ARE WORKING FROM HOME, UH, MORE PEOPLE.
THEY, UH, WE FOUND OUT THAT, UH, PEOPLE CAN RUN THEIR BUSINESSES.
THEY CAN WORK FROM HOME FOUR AND FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
SOME FULL-TIME, SOME TWO OR THREE DAYS A WEEK.
SO BASED ON THEIR ANALYSIS, THEY DID, UH, THESE HOMES ARE SET UP, UH, WHERE PEOPLE COULD HAVE HOME OFFICES IN 'EM.
SO THAT PART OF THE, UH, SALES REVENUE, UH, WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE WILL BE STAYING HERE MORE THAN THEY WILL BE TRAVELING OFFSITE OR COMMUTING TO WORK BASED ON THE TREND OF THE HOUSING.
UH, THEY DID ANALYSIS ON THE SALES TAX THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET, UH, WITH THAT.
AND, UH, THAT NUMBERS CAME FROM THE COMMISSIONER, LIKE I SAID, COMMISSIONER REVENUE'S OFFICE.
UH, THEY, THE QUESTION BROUGHT OUT ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF THE, UH, WATER, UH, THAT, UH, OUR TOWN MANAGER SPOKE ON.
UM, SO THAT WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT ABOUT THAT BY RIGHT ON THE HOUSING.
UH, AND REGARDLESS OF WHICH ONES ANTICIPATED, UM, THE 104 HOUSES, UH, THAT'LL EQUATE TO 1,000,030 $9,272 IN TAP FEES WITH THOSE HOMES.
SO THOSE 104 HOUSES WILL GENERATE, UH, THAT MUCH IN TAX FEES.
IF YOU BEGIN WITH THE, WITH, IF I RIGHT, THE 61, THE 61 HOMES WOULD GIVE YOU, UH, 6,900, UH, THOUSAND 573.
SO WE'LL GET A, UH, THE TAP FEES WILL BE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN TAP FEES FOR THESE 104 HOMES.
WHAT WAS THE NUM, I DON'T SEE THE NUMBER IN HERE THAT YOU JUST GAVE BY.
RIGHT? WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER? UH, $609,573.
SO IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF 4 29 6 99.
SO BASICALLY, UH, FOUR 29,700 IF YOU WANNA GROUND.
SO THERE'S THE, UH, WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION FEES THAT THEY GET PROVIDED FOR
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YOU, GIVING YOU THAT OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN CONNECTION FEES.UH, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UH, HAPPY CREEK ROAD.
NOW, THEY DID MAKE A, UH, THEY COULD, AS PART OF THE CASH, UH, PROPER, IF YOU REMEMBER, IS THE $320,840.
THAT'S A CASH PROPER TO THE TOWN TO USE AT OUR DISCRETION.
THIS IS NOT THE, UH, SCHOOLS, UH, FOR THIS COULD BE USED FOR THE HAPPY CREEK ROAD.
WIDENING AT SOME POINT IN TIME, REGARDLESS, UH, RIGHT OF WAYS WILL NEED TO BE REQUIRED FOR THE HAPPY CREEK ROAD PROJECT.
SO, UH, THEY ARE WILLING TO CHANGE THE PROPER IF IT, UH, HELPS THE TOWN OUT TO GIVE THIS IN A LUMP SUM WITHIN 12 MONTHS FOR A SMART SCALE PROJECT ON THE HAPPY CREEK ROAD.
AND THEY WAS DOING THAT IN STAGES AS THE HOUSES GET DEVELOPED, UH, GIVEN PORTION EACH TIME.
BUT THEY'RE WILLING TO GIVE THIS NUMBER WITHIN A 12 MONTH PERIOD IF THAT'LL HELP THE TOWN WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT OF HAPPY CREEK ROAD ON THE SMART SCALE PROJECT.
SO I GUESS IT WAS VERBALIZED DIFFERENTLY THAN IT'S IN OUR PACKET, IT SAYS THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO CONSIDER THAT.
THEY'RE WILLING TO CONSIDER THAT.
WILLING TO CONSIDER COMMITTED TO, RIGHT.
BUT THAT'S A FIVE TO SIX YEAR, DIDN'T YOU SAY IT WAS FIVE TO SIX YEARS DOWN THE ROAD? YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY SIX YEARS.
IT KEEPS GETTING SHOT DOWN FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO, UH, WE HAVE A LOCAL MATCH ON THAT THAT WOULD HELP THE TOWN.
THEY WOULD CONSIDER THAT THAT WOULD HELP THE TOWN, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, 'CAUSE WE ALL KNOW ABOUT PROFFERS.
LIKE THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THEY'RE THROWING OUT THERE.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY.
AND I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, THEY'RE JUST WILLING TO CONSIDER THIS WITH THIS WOULD HELP US WITH THE PROJECT INSTEAD OF DOING THIS OVER AS THE HOUSES GO.
UH, THEY DID DO, UH, PART OF THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION, YOU KNOW, IS FOR THE EASEMENTS AND EVERYTHING NEEDED FOR HAPPY CREEK ROAD.
UH, THIS WILL REDUCE THE COST, UH, WITH THE PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE DID, IF THEY DID IT BY RIGHT AND NOT INCLUDED THIS, THIS WOULD RECO REDUCE THE COST OF ACQUIRING THAT PROPERTY FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, THEY WILL DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT.
SO THEY WILL DO SOME GRADING AND SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO PUT THAT ROAD IN.
SO THAT'LL ELIMINATE SOME, UH, ROAD WORK EXCAVATING ON THEIR END OF THE PROJECT.
SO THAT WILL, UH, REDUCE A LITTLE BIT OF THE COST ON THE WIDENING.
UH, THEY DO ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MODIFY THE ALIGNMENT.
THEY'RE GIVEN AN, UH, WITH THEIR PROPER, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT ALONG ON THEIR PROJECT SIDE.
POTENTIALLY WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO TO THE NORTH SIDE OF HAPPY CREEK ROAD, WHICH IS A RAILROAD.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE PART OF THEIR PROJECT.
THEY, THEY SAYING THEY COULD GIVE ENOUGH WHERE WE CAN DO A REALIGNMENT OF THE FUTURE ROAD, AND MORE THAN LIKELY, MOST OF IT'LL BE ON THEIR PROJECT AND NOT A NEED FOR SOME, NOT LIKELY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THE, UH, HOUSE THAT SETS OUT THERE, THE, UH, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OR THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, WE POTENTIALLY, THE PROJECT COULD JUST BE COMBINED ON THEIR SIDE OF THE, UH, THE PROJECT ON THEIR SIDE OF THE ROAD.
NOT ON THE NORTH SIDE THOUGH, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S RIGHT DOWN.
IT'S A WHITE ONE SIT THERE ON THE ROAD.
GOING UP, GOING OUT, GOING OUT AT GOING OUT TOWN THERE WHERE YOU GET TO REACH RUN.
SO THAT WOULD OH, OH, I, OKAY.
THAT OLD TWO STORY I KNOW WHERE YEAH, YEAH.
UH, SO THEY DID THE TAKING PART, THE, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, DEVELOPMENT COMPARISON, UH, WITH THAT.
UM, THEY DID DO A PRES, UH, PROJECTED PRESENT DAY VALUE OF THE PROJECTS THAT'S IN THOSE CHARTS THAT ARE, ARE GIVEN FOR YOU.
A QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE 82 LOTS THAT WE DEFINED BARCODE ON DENSITY.
SO THEY DID ONE FOR 61 LOTS, 82 LOTS.
AND THE PROPOSED, UH, REZONING FOR 104 LOTS.
UH, THAT'S PART OF THE PROJECT THERE.
UM, BASED ON THE DENSITY OF THAT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, YEAH, I I WANNA JUST ASK THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE 61 82.
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CAN YOU BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THAT IS? 'CAUSE LAST WEEK WE, IT WAS, WE TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT THE 82.BUT THEN I THINK WHAT MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN PRINTED IN THE NEWSPAPER, CONFUSED PEOPLE.
AND SAID THAT IT, THE BUYRIGHT WAS 61 AND SO THAT THEY WERE DOUBLING IT.
I'M JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S CLEAR THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WERE ASKING.
THEY WAY OUR CODE IS SET UP BY THE, UH, DEFINES DENSITY.
YOU TAKE THE AREA 41 ACRES, 41 ACRES, HALF ACRE LOTS, GIVES THEM THE 82.
THAT'S HOW OUR CODE IS DEFINES THAT.
THEY SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, UH, LET'S LOOK AT THIS.
SOME OF THAT IS GOING TO BE ELIMINATED BY A ROAD SYSTEM AND YOUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
SO THEY'RE SAYING REALLY, YOU'RE PROBABLY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET 82 UNITS THERE, EVEN THOUGH OUR CODE DEFINES THAT.
IS THAT HOW YOU ACCOUNT FOR IT? SO WHEN THEY REDID THE NUMBERS, THEY SAID MORE THAN LIKELY YOU WOULD GET 61 UNITS ON THAT PROPERTY.
BUT OUR CODE SAYS BY DEFINITION, WE COULD, THEY COULD GET 82.
IN A REALISTIC WORLD, IT'S DOWN TO 61.
SO, BUT WHAT THE NUMBER IS, AND SO ALL THESE NUMBERS, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS.
BASED ON OUR CODE AND DEFINITION, AND THIS IS, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT A REALISTIC NUMBER, WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE BE BUILT THERE BY RIGHT.
I, I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, JUST TO BE CLEAR, CLEAR CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC IS WHICH NUMBER ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? LIKE 82 IS WHAT THEY CAN BUILD RIGHT NOW WITHOUT ANY QUESTION OF US THAT'S BASED ON DENSITY.
I KNOW, RIGHT? THAT'S OUR CODE.
THAT'S OUR CODE DEFINES THAT BY THE DENSITY OF, GIVEN THAT THEY COULD ACCOUNT FOR 82.
REALISTICALLY, THEY COULD ONLY PROBABLY FIT 61 BASED ON THE RS ZONING.
BUT WHEN THEY CALCULATE THESE PROJECTIONS OUT AS FAR AS SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU JUST GO BY THE ACREAGE OF THE LAND COMING UP, HOW MANY UNITS COULD BE PUT ON THAT LAND.
THAT'S HOW THEY PROJECT THE NUMBERS OUT FOR FUTURE.
WE DON'T KNOW THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECTS, ROAD SYSTEMS, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT OR ANYTHING ELSE.
SO WE JUST TAKE THE ACREAGE AND GET THIS NUMBER HERE WITHOUT, INTO ANY TYPE OF SITE DEVELOPMENT OR ANY TYPE OF DRAWINGS.
SO 61 IS REALLY BEING SAID BY THE COUNTY.
THE COUNTY ASKED THEM TO LOOK INTO IT, WHAT THEY YEAH.
HAVE THE REDUCTION, THE REALISTIC NUMBER.
THEY KNOW IT'S NOT GONNA BE 82.
SO THEY TOOK IN THE ROAD SYSTEM, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT TOOK THAT ACREAGE OUT AND THOUGHT, WELL, NO, AFTER WE DID THE CALCULATION, THAT LOOKS LIKE THE 61.
SO ALL THE PROPERS AND EVERYTHING OF THE SCHOOL IS BASED ON THE 61.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 61 AND THE 104, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT WAS, WAS CONFUSING TO ME TOO, BECAUSE, AND I SAW YOUR ANSWER OR SOMEBODY'S ANSWER, I'D ASKED IT OVER EMAIL.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROPER AMOUNT IS GIVEN EACH TIME THERE'S THE OCCUPANCY PERMIT IS, IS, UM, IS PROCESSED.
SO WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING THAT NUMBER, IS IT THE 61 OR THE 82 OR THE 104? 'CAUSE IN THE CHART THERE'S A CHART THERE THAT IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS 104 OVER TIME.
WELL, 104 HOMES AT THE END OF THE PROJECT AND ALL 104 ARE GONNA BE THAT 6,000 AND SOME ODD DOLLARS.
WELL, OKAY, THOSE, AGAIN, THOSE, THAT'S JUST A CONCEPT OF POTENTIAL HOUSES THAT COULD BE BUILT THERE.
RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S FINE.
UH, UH, SO UP TO UP TO 104 YES.
SO THE NUMBERS THEY GIVE WITH THE PROPERS, THEY HAVE TO, THEY TOOK AN ACCOUNT TO 61 THAT COULD BE BUILT THERE.
RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONE FROM 61 TO 104, THEY HAVE TO RUN THOSE NUMBERS WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TO SEE WHAT IS BE ABOVE THE CAPACITY.
BUT THEY, IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE IT WAS THE DIFFERENCE.
I MEAN, DID ANYBODY ELSE SEE THAT? IT
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DIDN'T LOOK LIKE IT WAS, I MEAN, TYPICALLY WE'RE USED TO THAT DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? IT'S THE BUY, RIGHT.AND THEN IT'S THE, THE PROFFERED AMOUNTS GO FROM THE BUY RIGHT UP TO WHATEVER THEIR PROJECT IS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS SEVEN, SEVEN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS.
BUT IN THERE, BUT IN THEIR CHART, AGAIN, THEY HAD THAT IT WAS GONNA BE 104.
SO I GUESS I WASN'T SEEING THAT IT WAS THE DIFFERENCE.
IT WASN'T THE PROFFERS WEREN'T ON THE DIFFERENCE.
THEY WERE ON THE WHOLE, EVERY SINGLE HOUSE.
IF YOU WANNA GET THROUGH, WHEN, WHEN WE GO BACK TO THAT, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE DOES, BUT I MEAN, WE, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
AS WE'VE SAID BEFORE, THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS TOO.
WELL, I MEAN, I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN THAT'S, I SAID THE COUNTY BASICALLY JUST, THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY, WE HAVE AN MOU WITH THE COUNTY TO, WHEN WE HAVE REZONINGS COOPERATION WITH THE COUNTY, THEY CAME UP WITH 61.
THEY, THEY ASKED, THEY ASKED FOR THIS TO BE REEVALUATED.
SO THEY ASKED THE CLIENT TO REEVALUATE THE NUMBERS.
SO WITH THE SECOND SUBMISSION, THAT'S THE NUMBER THEY CAME UP WITH.
BUT WE, AS TOWN COUNSEL, WE HAVE TO GO BY WHAT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE.
WELL, COMPARED TO THAT AND OUR DEFINITION OF DENSITY.
BUT WE HAVE AN MOU WITH THE COUNTY TO SEND THESE REZONINGS TO, TO THEM HAVE COMMENTS.
SO THEY TOOK THAT IN THE COUNT, THE COUNTY'S COMMENTS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST FOR US TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION RIGHT.
SO NOW THEIR NUMBER IS GONNA BE BASED, THAT'S A DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE.
I MEAN, GOING FROM 61, WELL, YOU GUYS PROBABLY DO 161, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE, OKAY.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I, BUT THE PROPERS ARE BASED ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 61 AND 104, WHICH GIVES MORE.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WATER BE THAT.
I I, I, IT'S EXPLAINED CLEARLY TO ME, BUT IT'S STILL, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF YEAH, WE HAVE TO TAKE TWO.
I MEAN, WHAT WE PUT MORE WEIGHT ON OUR, OUR OUR, UH, OUR ORDINANCE OR WHAT THE TOWN, OR WHAT THE COUNTY IS
SO THE 82 IS WHEN YOU PROJECT THESE THINGS OUT FOR FUTURE PROJECTS, WE JUST TAKE THE LAND MASS.
IF IT'S A HUNDRED ACRES, HALF ACRE LOTS.
WE JUST DOUBLE I'M HUNDRED PERCENT FOR THE STORM WATER.
SO THEY PROJECT THAT OUT FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ALL YOU CAN DO.
ALL I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GIVEN TWO DIFFERENT, UM, PARAMETERS TO LOOK AT, TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
ONE IS A CONSIDERATION, JUST THAT ONE IS OUR ORDINANCE, WHICH IS, WELL, I THINK OUR ORDINANCE SAYS THEY CAN DO 82.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH, THEY'RE GOING BACK.
I JUST, WE GOT THREE MINUTES BEFORE OUR NEXT CLOSE.
SO THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD SPOT TO STOP AND RESTART ON THE, ON THE, ON THE PROPER.
OH, I'M GLAD I DIDN'T GET TO, I WAS GONNA QUESTION THAT TOO 'CAUSE I DIDN'T, I MISSED THE COURSE.
SO SCROLL DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
I WAS JUST, UM, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE IT EARLIER.
SO IS IT, IS IT COPY WHEN WE COME BACK, IS DISCUSSING THE, BETWEEN THE 61 AND 1 0 4? IS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED TO KNOW? YEAH.
I WANNA JUST UNDERSTAND PER HOUSE, WHAT, HOW MANY HOUSES AND WHAT PER HOUSE.
LET ME, UH, WHAT REALLY IT IS THAT WE ARE, WHAT COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER WHEN IT GOES AND WHAT THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO WE SPEAKING TO IS WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS.
BECAUSE WITHOUT A MEETING, WITHOUT ANY VOTE AT ALL, THEY COULD BUILD 82 HOMES.
WITHOUT ASKING ANYTHING OR PRING ANYTHING.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO CONSIDER.
SO, SO DO WE HAVE TO READ BACK TO CLOSE YOUR, YOU? YES.
YOU GO MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE IN A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 2 0.272 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES.
ONE, PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND LOCAL BOARD OF BUILDING CODES APPEALS.
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I MOVE THAT COUNCIL, CERTIFY THAT TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE AS A RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBER'S AFFIRMATIVE VOTE THAT ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY BE EXEMPTED BY OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED OR HEARD, DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED IN THE CLOSED MEETING BY COUNCIL.AND THAT THE VOTE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL BE TAKEN BY A ROLL CALL AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETINGS OF TOWN COUNCIL SECOND VICE MAYOR
WELL, THANK GOD YOUR TAKE, SHAKE YOUR HAND TOO IN THIS GUY.
I DON'T I'LL Y'ALL HAVE ALL THREE OF 'EM NOW.
NO, I COULD GO TO THREE RIGHT NOW.
UM, I WAS GONNA SAY, WE DON'T NEED TO WAIT FOR TINA TO COME BACK, BUT I WASN'T, WE DON'T HAVE THEM.
I KNOW
I'M NOT COMMENT, BUT HOW IN THE WORLD GIRLS HOW I, I KNOW.
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ME TALK TO HER? OH YES.
I'VE, NO, THAT'S THE ONE FROM BEFORE JOHN.
I CAN'T WAIT CUSTODY THAT IS IN HERE TOO.
I THINK THIS IS YOUR PREVIOUS MATERIAL.
NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
SO WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, BUT I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT PAGE, IF YOU HAVE THE PACKET THAT WE HAVE, IT'S ON PAGE 40.
IS IS THE PAGE THAT I WAS LOOKING AT THAT I WAS CONFUSED BY PAGE 40? YEAH.
YEAH, THAT'S, THIS PAGE IS THERE AND THAT'S WHAT CONFUSED ME.
WELL, WE WONDER HOW THREE LADIES GOT IN AND OUT.
IT IS RIGHT AFTER THE, WHERE IT SAYS STAFF SUPPORTS THE APPROVAL OF THE REZONING AND THEN IT GETS INTO THE LITTLE TABLE.
AND IT WAS THE TABLE THAT I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND.
JOHN, YOU WANNA SEE IT HERE? HAVE GARY 4, 7 7 AND THE SIX NINE.
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ACTUALLY I THINK THAT WAS IT.WHAT YOU JUST HAD? NO, THAT ONE.
THAT'S THE ONE I THAT WAS CONFUSING ME.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
IT'S NOT THE IT IS, IT IS, IT'S THE PAGE.
IT JUST LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN THE PAGE.
IT JUST LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN OUR PAGE IS ALL, IT'S THE SAME THING.
BUT SEE HOW IT, SEE HOW IT SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS TOTAL UNITS 104 AND THEN IT GOES DOWN TO
SO TO ME THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT YOU'RE PAYING ON THE DIFFERENCE.
YOU'RE PAYING ALL THE WAY FROM HOUSE ONE UP TO HOUSE 1 0 4.
SO THEY, FOR EACH HOME, EACH HOME WILL CONTRIBUTE A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
SO WHEN YOU PROJECT THAT OUT, 104 FOR THE SCHOOLS IS THE 3 48.
SO EACH, EACH HOME, EACH HOME IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTION.
NOW THE THING THAT, UH, SO THEN THEY'LL DO THESE OTHERS, OTHER, THESE ARE POOLS.
AND THE TOTAL FOR EACH HOUSE IS PROJECTED TO GIVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT FOR THAT, GIVEN THESE TOTALS.
SO YOU TAKE THE 104 BY THE NUMBER, UH, AND THAT GIVES YOU THIS BOTTOM LINE FOR EACH HOME.
NOW, THE THING THAT YOU MAY WANNA CONSIDER, IF YOU REMEMBER PREVIOUSLY, EARLIER WE TALKED ABOUT THEY COULD DO THIS, UH, TOTAL NUMBER, UH, ONE ON THE OTHER ONE, UH, AT OVER A 12 MONTH, UH, WITHIN A 12 MONTH PERIOD, THEY'RE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE THAT.
SO THE THING IS, WHAT YOU MAY WANNA CONSIDER IS THEY'RE GIVING, UH, THE NUMBER PER HOUSE AS EACH HOUSE IS BUILT.
SO THEY COULD PROJECT OUT 104 HOMES TOTAL MAXIMUM, RIGHT? IT COULD TAKE FIVE, 10 YEARS TO BUILD THESE HOMES OUT.
SO YOU'RE GETTING, AS THOSE HOMES GET THE CO, IF YOU PREFERRED TO GET THAT IN A LUMP SUM, THEY WOULD CONSIDER DOING THAT TOTAL IN A LUMP SUM TO THE TOWN.
SO THIS PROJECT, WE COULD SAY MAYBE OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, THEY DON'T EVEN GET 50 HOUSES BUILT.
WE'LL JUST SAY 52 FOR NUMBERS, RIGHT? AND THE HOUSING MARKET SLOWS DOWN, WE STILL GET THEM PER HOUSE.
BUT YOU'RE ONLY GONNA GET 52 UNTIL THEY BUILD MORE HOMES.
SO YOU MAY WANNA CONSIDER LIKE, WAIT, WAIT A MINUTE, LET'S, LET'S TAKE THIS LUMP SUM OVER.
UH, THEY MAY CONSIDER THAT DURING A, A 12 MONTH PERIOD TO GET THIS AT ONE TIME.
OR DO YOU WANT THIS READ OUT THE LENGTH OF THE PROJECT? THEY WERE PUTTING THAT UP FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION, JOHN, BUT IT'S REALLY FOR JOE, IF WE DO THE SMART SCALE APPLICATION FOR THE SECOND PHASE OF HAPPY CREEK GROWTH AND WE GO IN WITH CRAWFORD RIGHT AWAY AND $300,000 IN OUR HAND, WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR US? UH, IT, IT IS DEFINITELY GONNA HELP OUR SCORE AND THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND IT.
I REALLY DON'T, UM, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF THIS.
OBVIOUSLY THIS INFORMATION WAS JUST DIVULGED TODAY.
SO STAFF DOESN'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT JUST YET.
UM, I'M STILL TRYING TO GET THE, UM, OVERALL, UH, READJUSTED PRICE FOR HE CREEK PHASE TWO.
SO THAT WILL TELL US HOW MUCH THAT MONEY WILL OFFSET THAT.
AND THEN I'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA ON THE SCORING.
SO WE WAY THESE PROPER, I MEAN THIS, THIS MONEY COMES OUT NO MATTER.
I THINK SOME PEOPLE WAS THINKING THE MONEY DON'T KICK IN TO AFTER 61 HOMES, IT, THE MONEY KICKS IN RIGHT.
WHEN THE CEOS ARE ISSUED FOR EACH HOUSE.
SO IF THEY DO EVERY HOME, THE MONEY KICKS IN EACH TIME.
SO, AND I THINK THE NUMBERS THAT MAYBE I DIDN'T, I DID A, A POOR JOB EXPLAINING IT FROM THE 81, THAT 61 TO 82 TO 104.
SO WE JUST LIKE, BASED ON DENSITY FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD HAVE A HUNDRED ACRES.
WE JUST TIMES THAT BY TWO AND SAY YOU COULD BUILD 200 HOMES HERE JUST TO PROJECT OUT FUTURE LAND GROWTH SCHOOLS, TRANSPORTATION, EVERYTHING ELSE.
BUT THE REALISTIC NUMBER FROM THE 82 WHEN THEY TAKE IN ACCOUNT THE ROADS IN THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AREAS, LIKE REALISTICALLY WE CAN ONLY PROBABLY PUT 61 THERE.
SO THEY TOOK THOSE NUMBERS FROM THE 61 BY RIGHT.
AND CAME UP WITH THIS SEVEN SURPLUS STUDENTS.
THE DIRECT EDUCATIONAL CAPACITY OVER ENROLLMENT.
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AT THE FIRST SUBMISSION WAS ONLY FOUR, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY HAD 82.BUT WHEN WE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF OUR RIGHT TO 61, NOW THERE ARE SEVEN ADDITIONAL STUDENTS.
SO THEY'VE GOTTA COUNT FOR SEVEN ADDITIONAL STUDENTS THAT'S IN OUR FAVOR.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO THIS NUMBER IS IN OUR FAVOR 'CAUSE WE'RE NOW THE NUMBER'S SEVEN INSTEAD OF FOUR.
SO THEY GOTTA COUNT FOR SEVEN MORE STUDENTS.
SO THAT'S HOW THIS, THE, THE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED.
SO THE, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AND I PROBABLY DID AFFORD A JOB TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT.
MY WHOLE CONFUSION WAS EVER THAT THEY WERE PAYING FOR THE BUY.
THAT WAS REALLY MY, MY QUESTION BECAUSE I, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I HAD SEEN A LOT OF AT THIS POINT ON.
WORKING MY TIME IN COUNSEL WAS THAT THEY, YOU KNOW.
CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? SO IF WE, IF WE WERE TO AGREE THAT WE'D LIKE FOR THEM TO, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, FRONT THE MONEY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST SAID, RIGHT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROPER TERM IS, BUT IF WE WERE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF IF THIS, IF COUNSEL WERE TO AGREE TO, UH, ALLOW 104 HOMES, RIGHT? AND WE TOOK THE MONEY UP FRONT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU JUST SAID, AND I'M LIKE, YOU FIRST TIME I'M HEARING THAT.
SO, UM, IF WE WERE TO AGREE TO THAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DON'T BUILD 104 HOMES? WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE ANYTHING BACK, DO WE? YEAH, SORRY.
BUT I MEAN, IS THAT A GOOD QUESTION,
SORRY ABOUT THAT JOHN AND THEN JOHN.
I MEAN WE CAN OBVIOUSLY ASK THEM, BUT I, I'VE JUST NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE WHERE THE MONEY WOULD BE.
'CAUSE USUALLY IT WAS WHEN THERE WERE PROFFERS IT CAME IN AS THE, AS THE HOUSE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, YOU KNOW.
BUT IT BENEFITS, I WOULD SUGGEST IT BENEFITS THE, UH, DEVELOPER TO HAVE THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT STARTED.
NOT ONLY, UH, BENEFITS THEM, BUT IT ALSO BENEFITS ALL OUR CITIZENS THAT USE HAPPY CREEK ROAD.
SO THEY'RE WILLING TO PUT THE INVESTMENT UP FRONT.
IT SEEMS LIKE BUYING DOWN YOUR MORTGAGE INSTEAD OF PAYING EVERY MONTH.
I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THIS MONEY UP FRONT.
NO, I DEFINITELY SEE THE BENEFIT.
I WAS JUST ASKING THAT 82 WAS WHAT OUR NUMBERS WERE.
THE COUNTY IS SAYING REALLY REALISTICALLY YOU CAN ONLY DO 61.
IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IS THEY'RE STILL WILLING TO PROPER MONEY FOR 104.
I'M SAYING TO YOU THAT IF, IF THEY DON'T END UP BUILDING 104 HOUSES BECAUSE OF ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT THE COUNTY IS SELLING STORMWATER AND STUFF AND THEY'VE ALREADY GIVEN US THIS MONEY TOWARDS SO THAT IT WOULD HELP US IN OUR SMART SCALE, UM, APPLICATION.
DO WE HAVE TO GIVE THE MONEY BACK? IS THAT A, IS THAT A SILLY QUESTION? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT NO, BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM TO ANSWER THE QUESTION AT THIS POINT.
OR EXPLANATION FROM THE APPLICATION.
SO I'M THE CHAIR AND I CAN INVITE YOU TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
SO, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED, WE CAN, I'M ALWAYS, I'M ALWAYS PREPARED.
I'M CHIEF DEVELOPMENT OFFICER FOR RIGHT HAND DEVELOPMENT MAYOR, DO YOU WANT TO MOVE HIM UP FRONT? OH YES, I'M SORRY.
BECAUSE THEN YOU HEAR, YEAH, YOU ACTUALLY GET ON THE VIDEO.
CHRIS MOR, CHIEF DEVELOPMENT OFFICER FOR RIGHT HAND DEVELOPMENT GROUP.
UM, THE OFFER WAS THAT IT WOULD BE A, AN AGREED UPON ONE TIME PAYMENT REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT WOULD BE BUILT.
AND THE REASON WHY WE PUT IT IN TERMS OF A QUESTION WAS SIMPLY BECAUSE, UM, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD HELP ON THE SMART SCALE SIDE, BUT DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WAS STAFFED.
SO WE WANTED TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE FEELING WAS THAT IT WOULD HELP WITH THE SMART SCALE PROJECT OR NOT.
AND IF THE CONCLUSION WAS IT MAY, WE WERE WILLING TO CHANGE THE PROFFER TO SAY A B WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF ZONING A A FIXED AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD PAY REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE HELPED ON THE PROPERTY.
AND IF IT GOES THROUGH, IT ACTUALLY BENE THE SMARTS.
IF, IF WE GET THE, UH, CORRECTION TO THIS S-CURVE, IT WOULD BENEFIT YOUR DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
ANY TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT IN THAT AREA WILL, WILL BENEFIT THE, THE AREA INCLUDING THE DEVELOPMENT.
WAS THERE ANOTHER COUNCIL? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE, UM, CLARIFICATION.
EVEN WITH THIS UH, PROPER ALLOCATION TO THE ROAD, IT WILL NOT EXPEDITE THE ROAD RIGHT.
WE'RE STILL LOOKING LONG TERM ON THAT.
IF IT COULD IMPROVE OUR SCORING YEAH.
AND THIS IS MIRRORS AND JUANS AND HOPEFUL, BUT IT WOULD, IT COULD POSSIBLY HELP THE APPLICATION, THE SCORING OF THE
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APPLICATION IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING.BUT IT WOULDNT NECESSARILY MAKE IT HAPPEN IN FOUR YEARS VERSUS EIGHT.
WELL, BUT MY QUESTION TOO, UM, WAS WE ALSO HAVE THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUE.
COULD ANY OF THAT MONEY BE BE BETTER PLACED AT THIS TIME FOR THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE? ALTHOUGH THEY SAID THEY THEY WOULDN'T IMPACT IT RIGHT NOW, BUT YEAH, I WOULDN'T CO-MINGLE THOSE, THOSE PROPERTIES.
I LOOK AS GENERAL FUND TAX DOLLARS WHERE WATER TAP FEES WOULD BE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
AND THAT'S A SEPARATE FEE THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TAP FEES, RIGHT? CORRECT.
OVER A MILLION ON THE TAX FEES.
SO I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON, UH, COUNCIL WARREN, THE MONICA PAYING'S QUESTION FOR OR STATEMENT.
SO TAP FEES THIS THE 104 HOMES TO PAY 104 TAP FEES.
AND THAT'S AN ABUNDANCE OF MONEY WHEN IT COMES IN, IS DO WE USE THAT TOWARDS THE EFFICIENCIES IN OUR, OUR SYSTEM? WE KNOW WE NEED AN UPGRADE OUT THERE.
SO AS PART OF OUR BUDGET PROCESS, EVERY YEAR WE TAKE A GOOD GUESS ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA SEE FOR TAX FEES.
AND SO WHILE ALL THE SPECULATION LIKE AT THIS DEVELOPMENT HERE, THAT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO OUR NEXT BUDGET CYCLE.
AND THAT'LL BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'LL JUST HAVE TO GET COMFORTABLE PROJECTING.
BUT THAT IS PART OF THE OVERALL FUND FOR, THAT'S THE IDEA OF THIS FUNDS GOING TOWARDS.
AND IT WOULD GO INTO THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND THEY, IT WOULD BE THERE IF, IF INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED IMPROVEMENT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS GENTLEMAN'S THE RIGHT ONE TO ASK OR NOT, BUT I THOUGHT I SAW IT IN HERE AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING IT TO US.
BUT THE TOTAL NUMBER TOTAL DOLLARS AT, AT 104, HOW MUCH IS THAT IN TAP FEES? DO YOU KNOW? OH, THERE, IT'S, IT WAS THERE.
NO, I THINK YOU SHOWED THAT BEFORE.
YEAH, PROBABLY BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE, AND THAT IS USING THE CURRENT NUMBER, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A FOUR TO FIVE YEAR COMPLETE BUILD OUT AND THOSE NUMBERS MAY CHANGE BASED ON THE TOWN'S NEEDS.
SO YEAH, RECOGNIZE THOSE COULD, COULD GO DOWN, BUT MOST, MORE LIKELY AFTER YOU WERE HERE EARLIER TONIGHT AND YOU HEARD ABOUT THE RUSSIA RELEASE VALVE YOU YEAH.
AND TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S NOT A PROFFER, THAT'S TOWN CODE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THAT'S MONEY WE'RE GOING GET THAT'S JUST ADDED IN THERE FOR INFORMATION.
AND THOSE AREN'T PAID, THAT'S NOT PAID UP FRONT.
THAT'S AS THE HOUSES ARE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS IF, AS IT GOES, IF IT CAN, YOU KNOW.
SO, UM, WELL COUNSEL, I KNOW WE HAVE JOHN HERE, BUT SINCE WE HAVE CHRIS ALREADY HERE, IS THERE A QUESTION YOU ALL MIGHT WANNA ASK HIM BEFORE WE HAVE HIM SIT DOWN? IS THERE A QUESTION ANYBODY HAS? I MEAN, NO.
CAN WE LET JOHN FINISH AND SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, SURE.
I THOUGHT JOHN WAS DONE, JOHN ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS.
JOHN, MAYBE IF THERE'S OTHERS AND WE'RE DONE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS.
WE WENT THROUGH ALL THAT OTHER, UH, INFORMATION FOR YOU.
SO UNLESS YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE THAT CAME UP FROM, UH, I THINK PEOPLE OUT, BUT IF THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.
AND I, I FEEL LIKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS SENT TO STAFF THIS WEEK HAVE BEEN ANSWERED? 'CAUSE THAT WAS PART OF THIS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY WE STILL, THERE'S STILL TIME FOR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN STILL OBVIOUSLY ASK QUESTIONS BETWEEN, SO MY QUESTION IS FOR COUNSEL, UM, ARE YOU ALL READY TO PUT THIS UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, YAY OR NAY? 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE, UM, IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT WOULD BE AUGUST.
I'M GONNA ASK MR. WALTZ, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE JUST SEEING THIS, DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED SOME MORE TIME TO LOOK OVER WHAT WAS SENT TODAY? I MEAN, I MEAN, BECAUSE WE CAN SAY AN AUGUST 22ND OR, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS DECIDE IN THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST TO DO THE PUBLIC HEARING IN AUGUST.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE SINCE YOU JUST GOT THIS TODAY, YOU NEED MORE TIME? NO, I, I THINK THAT THE STAFF CAN HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS, UH, ALLOCATION OF PROPERTIES FOR THE AT CREEK PHASE TWO.
I THINK WE CAN HAVE A RECOMMENDATION BY THE FIRST WEEK.
BUT, AND, AND LIKE I SAID, THE PUBLIC HEARING TO WEIGH IN FROM THE PUBLIC'S POINT WOULDN'T BE ALL RIGHT.
MR. PRESLEY, YOU'LL HAVE TO GIMME THAT.
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SO WE WILL, WE'LL PUT THIS UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 26TH.LIKE I SAID, COUNSEL STILL HAS OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, TO GET MORE QUESTIONS AND, AND I'M SURE THE PUBLIC'S GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS TOO.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING ITEMS. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST WEEK.
I THINK WE ADDED EVERYTHING OR WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED ON THERE.
UM, MS. PRESLEY, CAN YOU REVIEW FOR ME WHAT WE SAID LAST, WHAT COUNSEL ASKED FOR LAST WEEK? INCREASE IN THE SOLID WASTE TIPPING FEES.
CIGARETTE TAX ORDINANCE, VAPE SHOPS, PROCESSING HOUSE VIOLATIONS, AND TENANT AND LANDLORD ENFORCEMENT POLICY.
THAT PARTICULAR ONE YOU JUST SAID WAS A CARRYOVER FROM THE APRIL MEETING THAT THE COUNTY WAS, WE COULDN'T HAVE THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE THE COUNTY STAFF COULDN'T BE THERE THAT NIGHT.
SO I GUESS IF WE PUT THAT ON, GO AHEAD.
YEAH, I HONESTLY, WE'VE HAD THIS ON TWO LIAISON MEETINGS AND UH, THE FIRST TIME MY STAFF SHOWED UP, THEIR STAFF DIDN'T, THE SECOND TIME IT WAS ON A LIAISON MEETING, WE STAFF WAS SUPPOSED TO GET TOGETHER, WHICH NEVER HAPPENED.
SO WE CAN PUT THIS ON A LIAISON MEETING, BUT IF STAFF DOESN'T GET TOGETHER, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT GOOD IT'S GOING TO DO.
AND TODAY IS THE EIGHTH, CORRECT? THE 23RD IS 15 DAYS AWAY.
UM, I, I'M, I'M JUST, I'M TALKING OUT LOUD.
UH, HOW LIKELY IS IT IN 15 DAYS THAT OUR STAFF AND THEIR STAFF WILL GET TOGETHER? I MEAN, WE COULD CERTAINLY SAY AT THAT MEETING, WE, WE, WE, THE DISCUSSION COULD BE DOES THIS, DO WE STILL WANT IT? AND IF SO, IT'S GOTTA BE DONE BY OCTOBER.
WELL THEY, UH, THEY WERE THE ONES THAT PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
YOU KNOW, THEY PUT IT ON, ORIGINALLY I BROUGHT STAFF IN, THEIR STAFF DIDN'T.
UM, AND THEN WE PUT IT ON A SECOND ONE AND THEN THERE WAS A DECISION TO BE MADE THAT STAFF, OUR STAFF FROM BOTH LOCALITIES WOULD GET TOGETHER.
SO HOW ABOUT WE IF THEY DON'T RECOMMEND IT? 'CAUSE THEY ALWAYS SEND US A LIST.
IF IT'S NOT ON THEIR LIST, THEN AS, I MEAN YOU ARE RIGHT.
IT WAS ACTUALLY THEIR REQUEST.
THEY'RE THE ONE THAT, SO YEAH, I SAY IF THEY DON'T SAY IT, THEN IT COMES OFF THE LIST OF TOPICS, IF THAT'S OKAY.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATE.
AND WE GENERALLY HAVE THAT EVERY TIME.
IS THERE ANOTHER ITEM THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO ADD? NO, THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD IS ON THE CIGARETTE TAX.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COUNTY WILL BE DISCUSSING THAT TOMORROW.
SO IS THIS THE RIGHT TIME FOR US TO EVEN, I MEAN, I MEAN NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TOMORROW NIGHT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY FINALITY, BUT MAYBE WE COULD JUST ASK THEM WHAT THEY'RE THINKING.
'CAUSE THEY'RE, IF THEY DO IT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT TILL JANUARY.
WE'D STILL HAVE AN OCTOBER LIAISON MEETING TO DISCUSS IT.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I BELIEVE IT'S A WORK SESSION ITEM FOR TOMORROW.
SO MAYBE WE JUST WANNA HEAR WHAT THEY'RE, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, I'M NOT SURE THAT WHAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH US OTHER THAN TO SAY THIS IS THE REASON WHY THEY WERE THINKING IT AND HOW THAT IMPACTS THE TOWN.
THEY WERE ASKING IF WE WERE GONNA ENTERTAIN IT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA ENTERTAIN IT, SO I KNOW.
WELL, YEAH, I EVEN IF, WELL, FIRST OFF, THIS COUNCIL HAS NOT EVEN HAD IT ON A WORK SESSION TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN IT.
SO MAYBE THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE TO, TO SEE WHAT THEY DISCUSS AND, YOU KNOW, THEN WE ADDED ONE OF OUR WORK SESSIONS.
MAYBE IT'S MORE OF A SEPTEMBER.
I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? WELL, LET'S WAIT AND SEE WHAT DIRECTION THEY'RE GOING.
I, I THINK DO, DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE? ALL RIGHT.
SO I, I SAY LET'S TAKE THAT OFF AND WE'LL SEE WHAT THEY'RE THINKING FIRST.
UM, ALL RIGHT, WE GOOD? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? 'CAUSE TINA'S GONNA HAVE TO GET THAT OUT TO THEM PROBABLY TOMORROW AND TO GIVE THEM A, OR NOT TOMORROW, BUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS, YOU GOTTA BE GREAT.
SO YES, TUESDAY, JULY 23RD AT 6:00 PM IS THE LIAISON MEETING.
AND MR. WALTZ AND I WILL BE ATTENDING AND I NEED TO BRING A COUNCIL MEMBER WITH ME.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT IS DYING TO GO? I THINK EVERYBODY HERE'S DONE ONE, RIGHT? AT LEAST ONE.
SO DON'T, SHOULD I PASS AROUND
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STRAWS AND WHOEVER GETS THE SHORT ONE? JUST TOTALLY.I MEAN, I THINK WHEN, ON YOUR FIRST ROUND? I THINK I WENT FIRST.
AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN AFTER ME WAS SO YOU, I WENT FIRST ON FIRST ROUND I THINK.
WERE YOU AND I? YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS A SENIOR MEMBER.
UM, I'VE BEEN RECENT SO I FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY ELSE NEEDS TO DO IT.
WE'RE BACK TO THE BE BEGINNING.
YEAH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE, I WENT AFTER YOU.
YOU WENT AFTER WE, BACK TO THE BEGINNING.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE WORD.
OR MAYBE WAS WAYNE BRUCE WENT AFTER WAYNE? YEAH.
I THINK AMBER WENT FIRST BECAUSE SHE HADN'T GONE TO ONE YET IN HER TIME.
AND SHE HAD BEEN ON COUNSEL FOR A WHILE.
AND THEN YOU WENT THEN WAYNE, AMBER, DO YOU WANNA GO? UH, IF JOSH WAS GONNA VOLUNTEER, I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE WAS GETTING AT.
WANNA GO? I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST GOING AROUND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO LIKE, KEEP A GENERAL ORDER, I SHOULD SAY.
WELL, I'LL JUST SWITCH WITH YOU.
I'LL DO THE NEXT ORDER IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT.
COUNCILMAN INGRAM WILL BE JOINING P ON THE 23RD.
ALRIGHT, SO FIVE C IS VALLEY, UM, HEALTH PILOT FEES.
IT SAYS VALLEY PILOT FEES, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS UNDERSTOOD THAT.
SO LET ME JUST PREFACE THIS WITH THAT TOPIC.
UM, THIS WAS A TOPIC THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN PRIOR COUNCILS.
UM, AND, AND THEN MOST RECENTLY I'VE HAD 2, 3, 2 FOR SURE, POSSIBLY THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ACTUALLY ASKED THAT THIS TOPIC COME UP AGAIN.
AND SO REALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS, UM, NOT NECESSARILY A DISCUSSION ON IT, BUT IF THIS COUNCIL HAS AN APPETITE FOR US TO EXPLORE THIS, THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS I WOULD ASK MS. PRESLEY AND OTHERS TO GATHER ANY INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN, UM, THAT HAS, THAT HAS THAT, THAT HAS TRANSPIRED ABOUT THIS TOPIC BEFORE.
AND MAYBE THERE'S EVEN SOMETHING THAT MR. SONNET NEEDS TO LOOK AT, BUT THERE'S NO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO.
IF, IF REALLY THAT QUESTION IS DOES THIS COUNCIL HAVE AN APPETITE TO EXPLORE THIS? YES, YES I DO.
YES, WE MOVED FORWARD, BUT YEAH.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT IF THEY DON'T WANT.
IF WE CHANGE THE TOWN COUNCIL WINCHESTER THAT YOU OFTEN REFER TO DID THIS SUCCESSFULLY IN 2015, I BELIEVE.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT AT THIS POINT THERE IS A CONSENSUS ON THIS COUNCIL TO EXPLORE THIS TOPIC AND TO DO SOME RESEARCH, BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL TO LET US KNOW.
MR. SON, DID YOU, I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANNA OFFER
UM, SO I HAD A MEETING TEED UP WITH, UH, WALT SAUERS.
I WAS IS THAT THE ONE I WAS SUPPOSED TO ATTEND WITH YOU? UH, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE DETAILS, BUT, UM, HE'S THE CHIEF LEGAL AND COMPLIANCE OFFICER FOR VALLEY HEALTH.
UM, AND I'M NOT, I CAN'T QUITE REMEMBER NOW WHEN IT DIED, SO TO SPEAK.
UH, BUT THIS WAS EARLY 2023 AND HE WAS VERY OPEN TO MEETING OKAY.
SO MOVING FORWARD BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN WE CAN BRING IT UP ON A WORK SESSION IS, UM, MAYBE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO FIND ANY OTHER, ANY INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE PRIOR.
I CAN PROVIDE MR. SONNET WITH A COPY OF WINCHESTER'S PILOT THAT THEY'VE EFFECTIVELY IMPLEMENTED.
AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY, THAT, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT THING IS TO JUST LOOK INTO OTHER LOCALITIES WHERE VALLEY HEALTH IS PART OF AND SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THEN MAYBE BRING IT BACK TO US AND NOT ALSO, I JUST FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD TIME TO ADD THAT.
UM, COUNCILMAN LLOYD AND I HAD DISCUSSED AND TALKED ABOUT A CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC NEED, UM, WHERE THERE CAN BE, UM, ANOTHER HEALTHCARE PROVIDER CAN COME IN, UM, 'CAUSE COMPETING HEALTHCARE DROPS DOWN THE COST AND IMPROVES THE QUALITY OF CARE AND, UM, THE RESOURCES THAT THEY PROVIDE.
BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A MEDICAL TEAM THAT'S INTERESTED, WHICH PREVIOUSLY WE DID.
THEY NO LONGER ARE AT THE MOMENT 'CAUSE THE BUILDING THAT THEY WANTED ISN'T HERE.
SO IF ANY OF YOU HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH MEDICAL PRACTICES OR OFFICES OR HOSPITALS, UM, COUNCIL CAN ENDORSE A CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC NEED TO SUPPORT THEM COMING HERE.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT I MEAN, I, 'CAUSE I USE DIFFERENT PROVIDER, BUT I, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONNECTIONS TO BRING SOMEBODY IN.
SO, TINA, GEORGE, JOE, WHAT IS THE, UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE THE BEST TIME TO PUT THIS BACK ON? IS THE FIRST WORK SET? IS AUGUST TOO SOON TO PUT IT BACK ON A WORK SESSION? WOULD IT
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BE BETTER TO BE SEPTEMBER? TINA'S NODDING HER HEAD.IS AUGUST TOO SOON OR NOT? I THINK IT'S REALLY GEORGE.
IT'S GONNA BE ON GEORGIA PLAIN.
IT'S A PRIORITY QUESTION FOR COUNCIL.
WELL IT'S ALSO, UM, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ALSO, IS IT DOABLE TO HAVE IT DONE BY THE BEGINNING OF AUGUST FREE THAT I KNOW IT WELL TO HAVE IT DONE? NO, NOT HAVE IT DONE.
BUT TO HAVE THE INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH COUNSEL IS IT, UM, IS AUGUST OKAY? SURE.
SO IT STILL HAS A LOT OF THE DOCUMENT.
SO WE WILL, UM, LOOK FOR THE FIRST, OR, UM, THE QUESTION IS MAYBE IT SHOULD GO INTO CLOSE, BUT OKAY.
SO I'LL LET YOU FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT IT'LL EITHER BE THE FIRST WORK SESSION IN AUGUST FOR THE SECOND WORK SESSION IN AUGUST.
SPEAKING OF AUGUST, LET US NOT FORGET THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.
IS THE, OR IS THE SECOND TUESDAY THE TUESDAY THE FIRST? TUESDAY OR SECOND TUESDAY.
SO WE'LL HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THE FIFTH.
NATIONAL NIGHT OUT WILL BE ON THE SIXTH.
SO AMBER'S POINT, YOU WERE INSINUATING LIKE IT MAY BE INOVA OR ANY OF THEM.
BUT THERE IS A, THERE IS A, AS SHE SAID, THERE'S A, A, NOT A PROCEDURE THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT, BUT UM, SO IT'S LIKE A RESOLUTION IF I RECALL.
SO, SO I WOULD SAY LET'S DO THE VALLEY HEALTH THING IN AUGUST AND THEN MAYBE WE COULD FIND OUT SOME INSURANCE.
WE CAN'T HAVE A CO WE CAN'T HAVE THE CERTIFICATE OF PUBLIC NEED WITHOUT THE HEALTHCARE PROVIDER.
THAT'S WHY LIKE YOU CAN'T BE ON AN AGENDA.
NO, I KNOW, BUT OTHER PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS.
BUT ACTUALLY MAYBE, OH, I INFORM.
SO THAT THEN YOU BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
THEN YOU'D KNOW WHAT IT IS SHE WAS SAYING TO LOOK FOR.
THERE'S NOTHING TO MEET ABOUT UNLESS WE HAVE A HEALTHCARE PROVIDER LINED UP.
I'M HOPING COUNSEL HAS NOTHING ELSE EITHER.