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[Town Council Work Session on July 1, 2024.]
TO CALL THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR JULY.MS. PRESLEY, CAN YOU DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR COCKRELL.
COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS IS ABSENT.
UM, OUR FIRST ITEM, AS I BELIEVE TO GO INTO CLOSEOUT YOUR MOTION.
UH, MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE ENCLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 AND 2.23712 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE.
ONE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINE OR RE RESIGNATION OF PUBLIC SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER'S APPOINTMENTS OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, CLERK OF COUNSEL, PLANNING COMMISSION, BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, THE CA AND LOCAL BOARD OF BUILDING CODE APPEALS, L-B-B-C-A.
AND PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A SEVEN DAKOTA OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON BRIEFINGS BY STAFF MEMBERS OR, OR CONSULTANTS PERTAINING TO ACTUAL LITIGATION WHERE SUCH CONSULT, CONSULTATION, OR BRIEFING AND OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEGOTIATING, NEGOTIATING OR LITIGATING POSTURE OF THE PUBLIC BODY, MORE SPECIFICALLY TO TALENT TRUMP OIL VERSUS JENNIFER MCDONALD.
SO WE WILL GO INTO CLOSE AT THIS TIME, RIGHT? OH, I'M SORRY.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE WILL GO INTO CLOSE, BUT IF, IF WE CAN JUST TAKE, YOU CAN DRESS HIM UP.
JOE, IS IT, IS THE CAMERA ON YOU? ALRIGHT, MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THE COUNCIL CERTIFIED TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE AS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBERS OF TERMS OF VOTE THAT ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS, LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.
AND AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED, WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE CLOSED MEETING BY COUNCIL.
AND THAT THE VOTE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL RECORDED AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING.
VICE MAYOR
WE'RE NOW, UH, BACK IN OPEN AND SO NUMBER THREE IS OUR NEW BUSINESS, WHICH IS A, AS A REASONING APPLICATION FROM HANOCK H-C-L-L-C REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING MAPS RELA BY 1321 HAPPY CREEK ROAD FROM R AS SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL TO R ONE AND MS. PEACH AND GOING TO BE, UM, PRESENTING ON THAT.
I'LL SEND IT TO IT ACTUALLY POPPED UP.
IT LITERALLY POPPED UP SOMEWHERE.
'CAUSE IT SAID IT'S NOT THAT T DOWN THERE WHERE IT'S RED IS IT SHOWS I SENT, I TELL YOU THOUGH.
IT DID, IT POPPED RIGHT UP AND SAID YEAH, I SAW IT.
IT SAID LAUREN KAKI PRESENTATION.
WAIT, IS IT FROM NO REPLY BOX? YOU DOWNLOAD PACKET OF INFORMATION WE'VE EVER HAD, I THINK.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE REZONING APPLICATION
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FOR 1321 HAPPY CREEK.I WILL WARN YOU THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE TONIGHT, SO I'LL THROUGH IT, ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, SO THIS IS A REQUEST TO RECLASSIFY 1321 HAPPY CREEK ROAD FROM RS, WHICH IS OUR SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO OUR R ONE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
UM, AND THIS PROPERTY, AS YOU CAN SEE LOCATED, UM, IN THE NORTHEASTERN, UH, PORTION OF THE TOWN, I THINK IT'S THE LEACH RUN PLANNING AREA.
THIS IS AT HAPPY CREEK, 1200 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION OF LEACH RUN PARKWAY AND HAPPY CREEK ROAD.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE HERE IT IS SURROUNDED BY, AND THERE ARE ONE, UM, ZONING DISTRICTS.
THERE'S RE ACROSS HAPPY CREEK ROAD AND ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS FROM IT.
UM, AND IN OUR TOWN CODE WE CALCULATE DENSITY, UM, AS THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS PERMITTED ON ONE ACRE OF LAND IS SPECIFIED HERE IN, SO THAT IS 1 75 DASH THREE.
SO THE RS ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWS OR HAS A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF ONE HALF, UM, ACRE.
AND THEN THEIR REQUEST IS TO GO TO THE R ONE, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE LOT SIZE FROM 21,000 SQUARE FEET DOWN TO 10,000 SQUARE FEET PER LOT.
AND SO WHEN WE SAY THAT THEY COULD DO 82 DWELLING UNITS BY RIGHT, IT WAS BASED ON THIS DENSITY CALCULATION OF DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE WHEN THE PROFFERS, WHEN WE GET TO THAT LATER ON, THEY CALCULATED IT AT A LOWER RATE.
SO HERE BASICALLY HALF, RIGHT? 21,000 TO 10,000.
SO THIS IS THEIR CONCEPT PLAN THAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED.
AND PLANNING COMMISSION HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
UH, THEY'RE CALLING THE, UH, SUBDIVISION MARSHALLS GLEN TO BE 104 UNITS.
UH, THESE HOUSES, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE TYPES OF HOMES THAT WOULD GO THERE.
MAYBE BE APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 3000 SQUARE FEET, STARTING OUT FOUR TO FIVE BEDROOM MODELS.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE BASEMENT.
UM, AND THE REQUESTED DENSITY WOULD BE ABOUT 2.4, UM, UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE CONFERENCE PLAN, THIS AREA OF THE COMP PLAN FALLS FOR DENSITY ABOUT THREE TO SIX UNITS PER ACRE, JUST SLIGHTLY BELOW, BUT IT'S STILL RIGHT IN LINE WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT'S LOWER THAN THE SUBDIVISION AROUND IT.
SO THAT'S AT A HIGHER DENSITY THAN THIS REQUEST IS.
UM, BUT IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE ADOPTED LAST YEAR, THE ACTION STRATEGIES CALL OUT THE REQUIRED FUTURE SUBDIVISION DESIGN THAT CONNECTS LOCAL STREETS WITH EXISTING SUBDIVISION STREETS TO CREATE A MORE COHESIVE ROAD NETWORK.
THEY'RE PROPOSING TO COME IN THROUGH ODIN, WHICH FULFILLS THE CONFERENCE PLAN, UM, ACTION STRATEGIES.
THEY'RE ALSO RESERVING AREA, UM, HERE FOR POTENTIAL CONNECT FUTURE CONNECTION, WHICH IS CALLED OUT ON OUR CONFERENCES PLAN THAT WE CONNECT THIS BACK OVER INTO THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, IS THAT HAPPY KNOWLES? HMM? IS THAT HAPPY, HAPPY CREEK? KNOLL IS TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH.
UM, THIS IS AN OLDER PORTION, I THINK FROM THE NINETIES STATE, SORRY.
UM, SO IT'S JUST OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE MAP CALLS FOR THIS, UM, PARCEL TO BE DEVELOPED AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AT A MEDIUM
AND IT IS EARLY TERM PLANNING DISTRICT AREA.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS THE OTHER RENDERING.
UM, THE RED SHOWS THE PORTION OF PROPERTY THAT THEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY DEDICATE TO US FOR, UM, IMPROVEMENTS TO HAPPY CREEK, UH, FOR THE REALIGNMENT OF THAT CURVE.
IT SHOWS THE RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT HER ACCESS OFF OF HALF THE CREEK SHOWS THE ACCESS FROM ODIN.
IT SHOWS OPEN SPACE AREAS, WHICH WILL ALSO INCLUDE THE TOP LOT, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES, AND THEN THE, UM, FUTURE RESERVATION OF ROAD EXTENSION ACTIVITIES.
SO AS PART OF THIS REZONING APPLICATION, THEY HAD TO SUBMIT SEVERAL DOCUMENTS.
SO THE FIRST ONE WAS THE WETLAND DELINEATION REPORT.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS THIS WAS A FOUR OVER 400 PAGE SUBMISSION.
TRY TO CONDENSE IT DOWN INTO JUST THE, THE MAIN POINTS FOR Y'ALL.
THE WETLAND DELINEATION REPORT SAYS THERE ARE NO POTENTIAL WATERS INCLUDING WETLANDS THAT
UM, THEY ALSO HAD TO SUBMIT THE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT.
UM, THERE, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF ANY, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS.
SO SOMETIMES IT'S LIKE OLD FUEL TANKS, THINGS LIKE THAT, ANY SOIL CONTAMINATION THAT'S NOT PRESENT ON THE SITE.
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UM, AND THEN BASICALLY THE REPORT STATED THAT THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL, UM, STUDY FOR OUR MOST SITE ASSESSMENTS.THEY DID SUBMIT THE FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS, UM, AND BASICALLY THEY'RE STATING THAT THE ONSITE BENEFITS ARE PROJECTED TO SHOW A SURPLUS OF $239,780 OFFSITE BENEFITS ARE EXPECTED TO TOTAL $167,840 TO COME OUT TO AN ANNUAL FISCAL SURPLUS FOR THE TOWN OF $407,020.
THAT IS ONCE THESE HOMES ARE BUILT INTO OCCUPIED, WHICH COMES OUT TO ABOUT $3,900 PER HOME.
UM, THEN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WAS SUBMITTED.
SO THIS WAS DONE ON MARCH 5TH, 2024.
SO IN THE SPRING THEY DID THE STUDY DURING THE, UM, MORNING AND AFTERNOON PEAK HOURS, UM, BASED ON THE CAPACITY, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE, UH, FOR BUILD UP COMPLETION.
UM, THEY SAID THAT THE SIGNALIZE STUDY INTERSECTION IS EXPECTED TO OPERATE AN OVERALL ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO THAT IS THE INTERSECTION OF LEE RUN PARKWAY AND HAPPY CREEK ROAD.
UM, THEN THE NEXT POINT WAS THAT ALL APPROACHES THAT THE STUDY INTERSECTIONS ARE EXPECTED TO OPERATE AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE DURING THE MORNING AND AFTERNOON HOURS.
UM, AND BASICALLY WHAT THEY DID IS THROUGHOUT THE DAY, THEY JUST, THEY TRACKED EVERY CAR THAT CAME THROUGH, UH, LEACH RUN AND
UM, THEY, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THIS WILL NOT HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING TRANSPORTATION, UM, AND ROADWAY NETWORK.
UM, AND THE RIGHT LANE WARRANTS RESULTS TO TURN THE RIGHT LANE WAS NOT WARRANTED ON THE EASTBOUND APPROACH.
AND VDOT STATED THAT IN GENERAL, THE TIA IS FOUND ACCEPTABLE.
WE CONCUR WITH THE CAPACITY AND QUEUING RESULTS.
SO WHAT WE DID WHEN WE GOT THIS APPLICATION IS WE FORWARDED THIS OVER TO THE COUNTY.
WE FORWARDED OVER TO VDOT AND THEY REVIEWED ALL OF THEIR, THEIR DOCUMENTS.
UM, SO IT WAS E O'S CONCLUSION THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE FUTURE TOWN PROJECT ADDRESSED.
WE FEEL THE SUBDIVISION WILL HAVE MINIMAL IMPACTS TO THE LOCAL
YOU CAN SEE THIS KIND OF JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE A DIFFERENT VIEW.
SO THREE IS WHERE THE SITE WILL BE ENTRANCE OFF OR ACCESS OFF HAPPY CREEK ROAD, AND YOU'LL HAVE THE SITE ENTRANCE OFF OF ODIN AND HAPPY CREEK IS WHERE.
SO THEN WARREN COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WHEN THEY REVIEWED THIS, THEY SAID THAT IT BASICALLY COMPLIES OR COMPLIES WITH THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IN THE COUNTY, THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES BASICALLY THEIR GOAL IS TO DIRECT GROWTH INTO THE TOWN WHERE DENSITY BELONGS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS.
SO FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, YOU PUT GROWTH WHERE INFRASTRUCTURE EXISTS.
UM, AND THIS AREA OF TOWN IS CONSIDERED PART OF OUR URBAN DEVELOPMENT AREA, WHICH THE TOWN AND COUNTY
SO THE COUNTY'S GOAL BASICALLY IS THAT WE WOULD DEVELOP THIS AT HIGHER DENSITY.
HE MENTIONED THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER ADDITIONAL THAT WOULD BE OBLIGATION.
WHEN YOU SAY HE, YOU MEAN MATT WENDLING SUBMITTED THESE COMMENTS.
UM, AND THEN ON APRIL 22ND WE RECEIVED THE COMMENTS FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
AND BASICALLY THE FIRE MARSHAL SAID THAT THEY WOULD DEFER COMMENTS FOR SITE DEVELOPMENT, NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
AND BASICALLY THEY WOULD REVIEW THIS AS SITE.
UM, AND THEN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S COMMENTS WERE THEIR STANDARD COMMENTS.
SO THE STATE WOULD REVIEW ALL THEIR EROSIONS AND SEDIMENT CONTROL, UM, STORM WATER, UH, PERMIT.
ALL OF THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY DEQ AND THAT THEY WOULD DO, UM, SITE CLAIM REVIEW, UM, WHEN THE BUILDING INSTRUCTION AND B COMMENTS AGAIN WHERE THAT, UM, SO LONG AS THIS S-CURVE IS BASICALLY DEALT WITH.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROFFERING DEDICATION OF HOWEVER MUCH RIGHT OF WAY THE TOWN NEEDS FOR THIS, FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT CURVE, BUT THEY DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE LOCAL.
UM, AND THEN THE SCHOOLS, THEY ALSO SUBMITTED COMMENTS.
UM, THEY BASICALLY HAD QUESTIONS
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ABOUT HOW THE, UM, BY RIGHT UNITS WERE DETERMINED.UM, AND THEN THEY WERE, THEY STATED THAT THE FIGURES USED TO CALCULATE THE CASH PROFFER HAVE BEEN PROVIDED AND CONFIRMED BY WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WHICH WOULD BE THE ENROLLMENT, THE CAPACITY, THE GENERATION RATES, AND THE SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION.
COULD I, COULD YOU JUST HOLD, I JUST WANNA KEEP READING IT.
YEAH, MY LINK KEEPS NOT GOING TO ANYTHING.
SO I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO READ IT.
SO THEY'RE BASICALLY QUESTIONING THE 82.
SO AFTER THAT, UM, THESE COMMENTS WERE FORWARDED TO THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT CAME BACK, REVISED THEIR BY RIGHT CALCULATION, THEY REDUCED IT TO 25% FROM 82 UNITS DOWN TO 61.
THEN THEY ADJUSTED THE PROFFERS TO THE SCHOOLS, UM, BY THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNTS, THEY RECALCULATED OUT AND ENDED UP GOING FROM, UM, PROBABLY 5,000 $5,500 PER UNIT UP TO OVER 6,000.
SO 15.2 2304 BASICALLY GETS, YOU KNOW, THE PROPER REGULATIONS, UM, IN THEIR PROFFER STATEMENTS.
UM, THEY WENT THROUGH, THEY HAD THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PROFFERS, WHICH BASICALLY STATES THAT IT'LL BE SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER, WHICH WILL BE INSTALLED BY THE OWNER AND DEDICATED TO THE TOWN.
UM, THE OWNER SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION.
UM, THE OWNER WILL INSTALL THE APPROPRIATE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES ON THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE POND, THAT IT'LL BE LOCATED IN THE OPEN SPACE, THAT THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION WILL MAINTAIN THAT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT POND, UM, AND THAT THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY SHALL BE RESERVED IS OPEN SPACE AS DEPICTED ON EXHIBIT A.
WHEN THAT, THAT EXHIBIT I SHOWED YOU EARLIER, EVERYTHING IN GREEN IS YOUR OPEN SPACE.
THEY ARE OFFERING AN ENTRANCE FEATURE ALONG ODEN STREET, WHICH WOULD BE A MONUMENT STYLE SIGN.
AND THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO MEET THE CRITERIA OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
THAT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A, UM, SEPARATE PERMIT IN OF ITSELF.
YOU'RE ESTIMATING THAT COSTS THE ENTRANCE FEATURE TO ABOUT $40,000.
UH, THE OWNER'S OFFICE OFFERED TO INSTALL A TOP LOT OR LIKE A LITTLE SMALL PLAYGROUND IN, UM, SOME OF THE OPEN SPACE AREA.
AND THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA AS WELL.
THAT'S ESTIMATED COST ABOUT $60,000.
AND THEN THE OWNERS ALSO OFFERING A BOARD ON BOARD PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT JUST FOR PRIVACY THOUSAND.
SO HERE'S JUST DEPICTION OF WHAT THAT TOP LOT PLAYGROUND WILL LOOK LIKE.
IT'S JUST BOTH SIDES OF IT, SAME STRUCTURE, AND THERE'S A RENDERING OF THE, UM, THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO.
AND THEN WITH THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION OF THE PROFFERS, UM, BASICALLY THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE ROADS IN THE SUBDIVISION WILL BE PUBLIC AND CONSTRUCTED TO TOWN AND VDOT STANDARDS.
UH, THEY'LL BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWN AND MAINTAINED BY THE TOWN, WHICH IS, UM, THAT'S PER OUR, OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THEN 3.2 IS WHERE THEY STATE THAT THEY WILL DEDICATE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG HAPPY CREEK ROAD FOR THE PROJECT'S ENTRANCE IMPROVEMENTS.
FURTHER, THE OWNER SHALL DEDICATE FEE SIMPLE RIGHT OF WAY AND EASEMENTS ALONG HAPPY CREEK ROAD, UM, INCLUDING THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENTS THAT WE WOULD NEED FOR ANY OF THESE.
FOR LIMITED NO COST ROAD THAT INCLUDES SIDEWALKS, CORRECT? I THINK IT SAID THAT INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TWO SIDEWALKS.
UM, AND BASICALLY THAT THEY WILL CREATE THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WHICH WILL MAINTAIN ALL THOSE SPACES.
AGAIN, THE OPEN SPACE, THE ENTRANCE FEATURE, THE PLAYGROUND, THE FENCE, AND THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS WHERE THEY PROFFER THE AMOUNT OR THIS, THESE ARE THE CASH PROPER, UM, INTO THE CALCULATION.
SO THIS TABLE IS FROM THE COUNTY.
SO WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS ESTIMATES THAT THE COST FOR A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO BE ABOUT $29.8 MILLION, WHICH YOU TAKE THE SCHOOL CLASS 600, COMES DOWN TO ABOUT $49,790.
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THIS COST PER STUDENT FOR A NEW SCHOOL BUILDING.THIS IS NOT THE COST TO EDUCATE THEM EACH YEAR.
THIS IS JUST HOW MUCH DOES EACH KID COST WHEN YOU'VE GOTTA BUILD A BRAND NEW SCHOOL.
AND IN THIS CASE IT'S THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BECAUSE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL ARE NOT AT CAPACITY.
UM, AND THIS JUST GOES INTO, UH, THEIR, THE SCHOOL CALCULATIONS.
SO WITH LESLIE, UH, FOX, KAISER ELEMENTARY, WHICH IS WHERE THESE STUDENTS WOULD ESSENTIALLY GO THEIR ROUNDING UP TO AN ADDITIONAL SEVEN UM, STUDENTS.
SO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL GENERATING FOUR, WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL IS GENERATING SIX.
STUDENTS, STUDENTS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, 17 PLUS THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AS THE SCHOOL THAT IS OVER CAPACITY.
I WANNA ASK THIS QUESTION 'CAUSE I KNOW I'VE HAD THIS QUESTION BEFORE.
WHEN WE'VE DONE THINGS LIKE THIS, SO BY RIGHT, 82 HOMES, SO THEY'RE SAYING THAT OUT OF 82 HOMES, NOT THEY, BUT WHOEVER IS MAKING THE CHART THAT THERE'S ONLY 17 STUDENTS OUT OF THOSE 82 HOMES BY RIGHT.
PUTS 12.5 STUDENTS OF 13 STUDENTS.
THEY'RE DOING THE BY AT 82 PUTS 12 IN, THEN WHEN THEY REDUCE DOWN TO 61, YOU'VE GOT 9.3.
THE REZONING THEY'RE SAYING WOULD GENERATE 15.8.
SO YOU TAKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE REZONING WILL PUT INTO THE SCHOOLS, WHICH IS YOUR 15 OR 16 CHILDREN MINUS YOUR NINE 10 CHILDREN.
UM, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING A DELTA OF SEVEN.
SO SEVEN IS WHAT YOU'RE CALCULATING, BECAUSE REALISTICALLY SPEAKING, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BA THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE EDUCATION FOR THE BUYRIGHT STUDENTS FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THEY PUTTING IN BEYOND BUYRIGHT.
MAYBE OTHERS UNDERSTOOD THIS, BUT I WANNA UNDERSTAND BETTER WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BY RATE 82 AND THEN BY RATE 61.
I I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'VE EVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN BEFORE.
SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS, AND I THINK HERE WE WERE JUST TRYING TO SHOW THE EVOLUTION.
SO INITIALLY WE SAID BY RIGHT, BASED ON OUR DEFINITION OF DENSITY, 82 HOMES OR 82 LOTS IS BY RIGHT, THAT'S THE BY RIGHT CALCULATION FROM 1 75 DASH THREE, WHEN THE SCHOOL CAME BACK WITH THEIR COMMENTS STATING, HEY, WE DON'T THINK 82 IS A REALISTIC NUMBER, HOW DID YOU GET THAT NUMBER? THE APPLICANT CAME BACK AND SAID, OKAY, WELL REALISTICALLY, BECAUSE OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU'RE REALLY, YOU'RE GONNA REDUCE THAT BY ABOUT 20 20%.
SO THEY'RE SAYING, OKAY, 61 LOTS IS WHAT WE REALISTICALLY GET ON THAT SITE.
WHEN YOU START PUTTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE, YOUR ROAD NETWORKS, YOUR SIDEWALKS, YOUR STREAM WATER MANAGEMENT POND.
SO IF THAT ALL TAKES UP AREA, THEY LOSE LOTS.
SO THEN THEY CALCULATED IT BASED ON THAT 61 BUY.
RIGHT? SO THE FINAL PROPER AMOUNT IS BASED ON THE REZONING REQUEST FOR 104, SUBTRACTED BY THE BUY RIGHT.
SO IF 104 PARCELS OR LOTS GENERATES 15.8 KIDS, AND THEN THE BY RIGHT GENERATES 9.3, THEY'RE ROUNDING IT UP AT THE THING THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN ADDITIONAL SEVEN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL STUDENTS IN WHICH IS THE IMPACT THEY ARE, HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MITIGATE.
UH, YOU HAVE ANY SENSE? I MEAN, I'M, I KNOW IT'S REALLY, WE DON'T, I DON'T REALLY HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, THE NUMBERS, WE THINK THE BUY, RIGHT? LIKE DO WE HAVE A WATER INFRASTRUCTURE FOR IT, LIKE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM DOES THAT AS WELL.
DO THEY KNOW FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THERE'S 1300 HOUSES BY RIGHT IN THE COUNTY? AND ARE THEY BUDGETING FOR THAT SO THAT REALLY THERE'S NO IMPACT EXCEPT FOR WHATEVER GETS REZONED? ARE THEY LIKE PREPARED AT ALL TIMES? DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE WHETHER THEY ARE OR NOT? IT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S THEIR LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY.
WELL, I I JUST WONDER WHY THE COUNTY, I MEAN, THE COUNTY'S SAYING, I MEAN, IF IT'S 82 ABOUT RIGHT, AND THE COUNTY'S QUESTIONING WIVES ARE 82 ABOUT, RIGHT, WELL, THAT'S OUR ORDER CODE.
THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR THEM.
TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BLACK AND WHITE ANSWER.
RIGHT? SO WHY DID THEY EVEN, I MEAN, SO WHY ARE YOU THROWING OUT THIS 61 LOTS? I MEAN, TO ME IT'S JUST ADDED, THEY, WHAT THEY DID IS THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, OKAY, WE CAN PR ADDITIONAL MONEY, WE CAN PROVIDE, WE CAN
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CUT THAT NUMBER DOWN.WE CAN PROFFER THAT EXTRA MONEY FOR THE SCHOOLS.
SO THEY JUST VOLUNTARILY THEY DID THAT ON THEIR OWN.
THAT WASN'T STAFF ACQUIRING THEM TO DO THAT.
I GUESS THEY JUST PULLED NUMBERS SO THAT THEY COULD SHOW ALL RIGHT, LIKE I SAID, I JUST, TO ME, I WOULD'VE JUST BEEN LIKE, WELL, 82 TO 82, IT'S ABOUT RIGHT.
IT'S A CASH PROFIT FOR FOR THE DELTA.
AND AGAIN, WE DON'T LOOK AT, WE'RE NOT REALLY FACTORING IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THE HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY'RE NOWHERE NEAR THEIR EDUCATIONAL CAPACITY.
WHEREAS THE ELEMENTARY STUDENTS, SO THE 82 BY RATE WOULD'VE SAID 30 STUDENTS.
I MEAN, AND THEN, BUT THE, WHAT THEY'RE ASK, THE MORE THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR WOULD ONLY ADD AN ADDITIONAL EIGHT STUDENTS.
SO 22 HOUSES ON THEIR END GENERATES, AND THESE ARE THE COUNTY'S NUMBERS.
THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS' NUMBERS GENERATES AN EXTRA EIGHT STUDENTS WHEN YOU, IF YOU PERMIT THEM.
AND SO, MAY I ADD ONE THING? I MEAN, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN OUT OF CAPACITY FOR FIVE YEARS, AND OUR COUNTY PARTNERS HAVE FAILED TO PLAN FOR THAT.
IS HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND OUR FILL IN LOTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE TOWN, THERE IS NO MONEY PROPER.
BUT WE STILL FIND OURSELVES AT THE POINT OF, UM, BEING AT FULL CAPACITY AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL.
NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT THAT ONE IS NOT ALL THE SCHOOLS ARE, BUT DEFINITELY LFK IS REAL CLOSE.
BUT THE NEED TO BUILD A SCHOOL IS BETTER.
PARENT QUESTIONS FOR, NO, I'VE GOT OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL WAIT TILL THE END.
UM, SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THEIR, THEIR CAPACITY ANALYSIS.
UM, AND THIS KEYS IN ON THE, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS SEVEN OVER.
AND SO THEN YOU HAVE THEIR, THEIR CALCULATIONS.
UH, SO BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE CA UM, PROFFERING PER DWELLING UNIT, UM, WITH THE MOST RECENT, UM, PROFFER SUBMISSION IS THAT PER UNIT, THEY WILL PROFFER $3,351 TO THE SCHOOLS.
AND THAT'S PER OUR, UH, OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY.
UM, AND THAT BRINGS ALL OF OUR TOTALS UP TO, UM, $669,370 FOR, UM, THE SCHOOL PROFFERS AND THEN THE CASH PROFFERS.
SO I THINK THIS CHART KIND OF EXPLAINS IT BETTER, BUT THIS IS THE ACTUAL CASH PROFFER, WHICH, SO THE CASH PROFFERS INCLUDED $3,351 IN SCHOOL PROPERTIES AND 3080 $5 IN OTHER PROFFERS, WHICH MAY BE USED TO ADDRESS TRANSPORTATION AND OR OTHER NEEDS.
ALL AT THE DISCRETION OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL CASH PROFFERS PROVIDED BELOW ARE APPLICABLE TO ALL UNITS WILL BE PAID ON A PER UNIT BASIS OF $6,436 FOR A TOTAL OF 669.
WE GET THAT EVERY TIME GET IS ACTUALLY SOLD.
SO EACH TIME, BASICALLY WHEN THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS ISSUED, OKAY, WE GET 6,430, AND THEN WE TURN THE 30, 30, 33 51 OVER TO THE SCHOOLS.
MECHANISM IN STAFFING PREPARED TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM, CORRECT? CORRECT.
BUT THIS JUST BASICALLY BREAKS DOWN THEIR TOTAL CONTRIBUTION.
SO WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT CASH PROFFERS, THE MONUMENT SIDE, THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, THE PRIVACY, BECAUSE, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THEIR, THEY'RE PAYING OUT ABOUT $8 FOR, SO, SO THE 3080 $5 PER UNIT IS THE DIRECT PAYMENT TO THE TOWN.
AND THAT'S AT WHICH COULD IN UTILIZE TO, COULD BE UTILIZED TO, TO INCREASE OUR, MAYBE OUR SCORES ON THE SMART SCALE.
SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THAT AS A CASH MATCH FOR OUR SMART SCALE APPLICATION.
THAT'S THE END OF MY INFORMATION.
WHAT QUESTIONS? WELL, I HAD A FEW.
IT WAS VERY COMPREHENSIVE PACKET FOR SURE.
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KNOW, DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY OUR ATTENTION PAID TO THE PROJECT.UH, FIRST, THE FIRST THING I NOTICED WAS THERE WAS NO PICTURE OF THAT CORSICA MODEL.
YOU HAD THE TWO MODELS OF THE HOMES AND THERE WAS NEVER A PICTURE OF THE CORSICA THROUGH ALL THE INFORMATION.
UM, SO I, I I GUESS MAYBE THAT WAS JUST A OVERSIGHT.
YEAH, IT HAD JUST BEEN AN OVERSIGHT.
UM, AND JUST, UM, YEAH, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE ST.
LAWRENCE AND THEN THE ROAN OAK, I BELIEVE, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ANOTHER CORSICA MODEL.
AND SO THE PROPERTY, THIS IS AN EDA PROPERTY, CORRECT? YES.
AND THEN THE, BUT THE RAPPAHANNOCK DEVELOPMENT IS THE, THE, UM, BUILDERS THAT, SO THE EDA SOLD THIS PROPERTY TO RAPPAHANNOCK DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK THEY CLOSED ON IT IN MARCH.
AND THEN, SO I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THERE WAS SOME REFERENCE TO APPLE VALLEY ROAD IN, IN IT, IN THE PACKET.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS LIKE A CARRYOVER FROM SOMETHING ELSE OR IF THEY MEANT, UH, VALLEY HEALTH OR, UM, BUT ANY ANYWAY, BUT VALLEY HEALTH WAY MAYBE.
AND THEN THE, BUT IN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT, IT WAS CONFUSING BECAUSE THEY SAID LIKE ANY LEVEL OF SERVICE D OR BETTER WAS ACCEPTABLE.
BUT THEN THE, THEY, THERE WAS A DIFFERENT PAGE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE D IS THE LOWEST, IS ONE OF THE LOWER LEVELS OF ACCEPTABILITY.
AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT AREA, A PARTICULAR, I DROVE UP IN THERE.
SO YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GO RIGHT TO OIN, YOU'RE RIGHT AT THE END, IT SEEMS LIKE A WEIRD SPOT TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE FIRST OFF.
BUT, UM, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT TO, TO ME, THAT TRAFFIC, UM, DELAY THROUGH THAT AREA WOULD BE GREAT.
IT LOOKED LIKE IT CAME DOWN TO A SEA LEVEL AT THE END.
UM, BUT, UH, AND ALSO THERE WAS A PICTURE OF, UM, THERE WAS A PICTURE OF A HOUSE, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU GO OFF HAPPY CREEK AND YOU GO UP IN THERE AND IT'S A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S TWO HOMES UP THERE.
IS THERE JUST ONE HOME UP THERE? OKAY.
'CAUSE YOU GO TO THE LEFT, THERE'S A HOME, BUT THEN THERE THE, AND DRIVE KEEPS CONTINUING THOUGH.
I DIDN'T GO, I DIDN'T GO UP IN THERE AT THAT PARTICULAR MEETING.
UM, UH, TWO, I WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE HERE.
BUT THEY'RE NOT MAKING AN ENTRANCE THERE WHERE YOU HAVE THE SIGN, RIGHT? THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT ON O THEY'RE IN THEIR ENTRANCE.
SO THEY'RE GONNA COME IN OFF OF ODIN.
SO RIGHT HERE YOU'VE GOT THAT CUL-DE-SAC.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ENTRANCE HERE THEN.
RIGHT HERE IS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IN.
AND I BELIEVE IT COMING IN UP, IT'S COMING IN UP HERE.
AND THEN HERE'S THE STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S WHAT'S EXISTING.
SO, AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE THAT THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE ON HAPPY.
IT'S GONNA BE HAPPY CREEK TO YOUR, HERE'S HOW IT'S GONNA, HOW IT'S GONNA CONNECT FUEL.
OKAY? YOU'RE GONNA COME IN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE RIGHT BEFORE THIS CURVE ACTUALLY STARTS TO BEND, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A RIGHT IN WHERE YOU'RE GONNA TURN IN OFF OF HAPPY CREEK.
AND YOU'RE GONNA COME IN, YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE, THESE LITTLE SIDE STREETS, THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE CONNECTED.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO EITHER COME IN ODIN OR YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO EXIT ODIN, BUT IT CREATES INTERNAL CIRCULATION.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOTTA RIDE OUT ONTO HAPPY CREEK.
NO, YOU'RE NOT CROSSING THE NOT PASSING TRAFFIC, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT CROSSING THE RAILROAD TRACK.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMING IN AND THEY'RE DEDICATING THE WIDTH OF THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY ALONG HAPPY CREEK.
SO FROM THEIR PROPERTY LINE THERE TO THE PROPERTY LINE THERE, THEY'RE STATING IN THEIR PR THAT WHATEVER WE NEED TO IMPROVE AND FIX THIS CURB HERE, BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE, LITTLE TREACHEROUS WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO BUY THAT DRIVEWAY.
UM, THEY'LL DEDICATE THAT TO US.
MY LAST COMMENT WAS OF COURSE, OF COURSE.
YOU KNOW, IT STOOD OUT TO ME THAT THE HOMES, THE PRICES ARE, YOU KNOW, FOR INCOMES OF 191,000 OR MORE.
UM, AND, UM, I KNOW THAT YOU HAD SOME TALK WITH THEM.
I, IT SEEMED LIKE FROM THE PACKET THAT THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT MAYBE ADJUSTING TO HAVE EITHER DIFFERENT KINDS OF HOMES IN THERE OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, LIKE DUPLEXES I GUESS YOU WOULD CALL THEM, OR CONNECTED HOUSES.
UM, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF THAT TO BRING DOWN THAT? NO.
SO THAT WAS A COMMENT FROM WARREN COUNTY BECAUSE THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEIR PLAN CALLS
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FOR HIGHER DENSITY THAN WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING AND WHAT THEIR DENSITY CALLS FOR A MINIMUM OF FOUR UNITS PER ACRE.OUR COMP PLAN IS A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE.
UM, IF THEY WERE TO, IF THEY WANTED TO ENTERTAIN THAT, UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGING THE APPLICATION.
WE WANNA, WE CAN'T REALLY TELL THE APPLICANT.
I HAD A QUESTION, BUT IT INVOLVES JOE AS WELL.
SO WE KNOW THAT THIS IS, I BELIEVE I WENT ON COUNSEL.
THIS IS PART OF PHASE TWO HAPPY CREEK ROAD IMPROVEMENT.
SO, UM, AND KNOW SMART SCORE OF SMART ROADS, UH, THE FORMULAS HAVE CHANGED.
UM, WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, IF THIS IS APPROVED, WE HAVE THE, UM, RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATED TO US AND WE HAVE UM, SOMEWHERE AROUND $330,000 WE COULD APPLY TO IT.
WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR THE TOWN? DOES IT HELP SIGNIFICANTLY IN GETTING THE AWARD OF THAT PROJECT? YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT.
BUT THE TOWN COMING, TAKING SOME OF THEM CASH PROPERTIES TO PUT TOWARDS THAT ROAD, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP.
OUR SCORE THING TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT THAT ROAD STILL WON'T BE BUILT FOR PROBABLY SIX TO EIGHT, MAYBE LONGER.
THAT'S GONNA BE A SOLID ISLAND UP AT, UH, SO THERE'LL BE LIKE, IT'LL INHABIT ANYONE TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT IT, IT SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE A LEFT OUT THERE.
IT, IT, IT IS GONNA BE A PRONOUNCED YES.
IT, IT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TO MEET OPS STANDARDS.
SO EVERYBODY WILL HAVE TO GO FUNNEL THROUGH, THEY HAVE TO GO TO LEACH'S RUN PARKWAY.
SO THEY'RE COME OUT, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TURN IN HERE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING TOWARDS, UH, YOU'RE DRIVING EASTBOUND, YOU'RE TURNING, YOU'RE MAKING A RIGHT TURN IN, HOWEVER THEY NEED TO EXIT OUT, THEY'RE GOING TO GO BACK OUT THIS WAY AND THEN GO BACK OUT TO HAPPY CREEK AND THEY CAN TURN RIGHT.
THEY CAN'T TURN LEFT DOWN HAPPY CREEK TO COME BACK TO TOWN.
THEY CAN TURN RIGHT TO GET INTO IT, THEN THEY CAN TURN RIGHT TO GET OUT OF IT AND GO TO THAT LIGHT AND THEN COME DOWN LE RUN.
SO THAT ONE PORTION IS GONNA BE BASICALLY ONE WAY.
SO IT'S RIGHT IN AND THEN, AND THEN RIGHT OUT.
BUT IT LIMITS THE EXIT TO RIGHT.
ONLY BUT YOU'RE LIMITING LIKE THE MCDONALD'S, WHEN YOU PULL OUT THE MCDONALD'S, THE PEOPLE, THEY HAVE TO GO OUT AND COME IN ODIN.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'D BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ABLE TO MAKE A LEFT TURN INTO THAT DOWN RIGHT.
SO ODIN GETS YOU TO LEACH'S RUN PARKWAY.
ISN'T ODIN, I, I SHOULD KNOW 'CAUSE I WALK ALL THE TIME, BUT, SO LEACH RUN ODIN IS GOING LEFT.
IF YOU'RE ON LEGRON PARKWAY GOING TOWARDS HAPPY CREEK.
THIS SIDE IS, UM, TO GO UP TO THE BACK WAY BEHIND THE HOSPITAL AND ALSO TO WHERE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL IS.
YEAH, BECAUSE THERE, 'CAUSE THERE'S A, THAT'S, THAT'S THAT INTERSECTION THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE A CROSSING GUARD AT.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE MAP SORT OF MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S A LONG WAY TO GET BACK TO HAPPY CREEK IF YOU WANT TO GO DOWN TO SIXTH STREET, BUT IT'S NOT THAT FAR OUT.
SO YOU'RE GOING FROM HERE AND THIS TAKES YOU RIGHT OUT TO, THERE'S HAPPY CREEK.
SO THIS IS THE TURN IN TO GO TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
YOU'RE TAKING YOUR KIDS, AND THIS IS WHERE THE HOSPITAL IS RIGHT HERE.
AND THIS ALL DOWN HERE IS, WHAT IS IT? PHASE FOUR OF HAPPY CREEK.
SO THIS TIES INTO THIS OLDER SUBDIVISION, WHICH BEGINS, UH, RIGHT AROUND HERE.
UM, AND THEN THAT TIES INTO THE OTHER ONE.
'CAUSE OUR, OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES ALL THE INTER PARCEL CONNECTIONS.
SO ANYTIME WE'VE HAD A SUBDIVISION OR MAJOR SUBDIVISION, AND THIS HAS BEEN THE ONLY APPROVED LARGE SUBDIVISIONS IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, UM, IT'S ALL REQUIRED TO BE CONNECTED, WHICH IS WHY THEY ALSO HAVE TO CONNECT IN.
AND CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, UH, SITE PLAN? BECAUSE I THOUGHT IN, I ATTENDED THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, HEARING, AND MAYBE YOU MENTIONED THIS BEFORE.
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UP A BUILDING LOT THERE FOR THE CONTINUATION OF ODIN ONE SET LAND TO THE WEST OF THEM DEVELOPS.SO OUR COMPREHENSIVE, THAT GREEN AREA THERE.
SO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, AND OUR TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER WHEN WE HAVE ALL OF THE PROPOSED FUTURE ROADS AND FUTURE EXTENSIONS, ONE OF 'EM IS THIS ROAD THAT WOULD CONNECT FROM HERE AND GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THIS PROPERTY AND THEN TIE BACK INTO THIS OLDER NEVADA STATE SUBDIVISION BACK HERE.
I THINK IT WOULD GET TOWARDS LIKE MEADOW DRIVE OR, SO WHAT IT, SO, UM, WE, WE KEEP HEARING THESE SAME NUMBERS OR WE'VE HEARD 'EM FOR A LITTLE WHILE, IS THAT THE TOWN CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW HAS 1300 HOMES THAT COULD BE BUILT BY, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND SO THOSE 82, WELL THAT'S NORTH OF HAPPY CREEK ROAD.
THAT'S NOT FOR THE ENTIRE TOWN.
THAT'S JUST THAT, THAT'S NOT THE INFILL THAT, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY IS.
SO THOSE 1300 THAT, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND THAT WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY LIKE THAT.
SO WOULD, I'M JUST ASKING, SO IF THERE'S 1300 AND THIS WERE APPROVED, THAT'S 104, RIGHT? OR THE 1300 WAS REALLY ONLY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
82, 1300 WAS TAKING I DON'T, BECAUSE YOU SAID BY RIGHT.
EVEN THOUGH THE COUNTY SAYS IT'S 61 OR WHATEVER.
I'M JUST SO 1300 MINUS THE 82 LEAVES, YOU KNOW, 1,218 STILL TO GO.
BUT IF WE WERE TO, IF, IF COUNCIL DECIDES TO, TO APPROVE THE REZONING TO MAKE IT R ONE SO RS, THEN IT WOULD BE WE'D HAVE, THEY'RE GETTING AN 1,196, WELL THEY'RE GETTING AN ADDITIONAL 22 HOMES.
THAT'S WHAT THIS REZONING ACCOMPLISHED.
AND IS THAT BECAUSE FINANCIALLY THAT'S THE BEST BENEFIT FOR THEM? I'M JUST ASKING ASSUMING THAT WOULD BE THERE.
I MEAN THAT WOULD, THAT'S WHAT WORKS FOR THEIR, THAT'S USUALLY HOW THAT WORKS WHEN THEY'RE, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, BY, RIGHT.
I'M SURE IT'S FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE AS WELL.
BUT THIS GETS, UM, SOME ENTIRE SITUATION, MR. WALTZ, WHEN WE HAD, UM, A GENTLEMAN COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT OUR, UH, CAPACITY, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT HE MENTIONED WAS THIS AREA.
SO, UM, WHICH WAS CONCERNING TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN ENTERTAINING SOME THINGS THE LAST COUPLE YEARS AND THEY DIDN'T HAPPEN.
AND SO THEN WE WERE CONCERNED LIKE ALMOST LIKE AN AHA.
LIKE WELL SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT CAPACITY THAT MAYBE IT'S GOOD THAT WE DIDN'T APPROVE SOME OF THE THINGS.
SO HAS ANYTHING CHANGED WITH THAT OR HOW WOULD WE ADDRESS, LIKE AS, AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS EXTRA? SO ONE THING CHA THAT DID THAT STUDY WAS A CURRENT, WHAT YOUR CURRENT WATER CAPACITY IS AT THAT MOMENT.
UM, AND WHAT THAT STUDY DID SHOW WAS IS THAT WE DO HAVE SOME LIMITATIONS ON OUR PUMPING STATIONS, PARTICULARLY IN THE HAPPY CREEK AREA.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAD A CONVERSATION TODAY WITH STAFF IN CHA TO KIND OF START LOOKING AT THIS AREA AND DEVELOPING WHAT WE THINK WILL BE THE KEY POINTS MOVING FORWARD IN DEVELOPMENT.
WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND WE DISCUSSED THE IMPACT OF WHAT THESE A HUNDRED HOMES ARE.
AND CURRENTLY WE DON'T SEE ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO AT THIS POINT.
BUT WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT WHOLE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE AT 1300 HOMES AND WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND WHAT THOSE TRIGGER POINTS ARE.
IF IT'S NOT THIS HUNDRED HOMES, IS IT GONNA BE THE NEXT 200 WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT? RIGHT.
ALSO, THE OTHER SAVING GRACE, I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON IS MAKING SURE OUR TAP FEES FOR WATER AND SEWER AND ELECTRIC ARE RECOVERING THAT INVESTMENT THAT WE NEED TO DO TO SERVE.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION TOO.
AND I KNOW THAT IN OUR COMP PLAN, UM, IT'S THE PROJECTION WAS THAT BY 2040 WE NEEDED, I'M GONNA GET THE NUMBERS ON, IT'S EITHER 2,233 OR IT WAS 2,332.
I'M TRANSVERSING MY, I USED 22.
2,233 THAT THE IDEA WAS THAT BETWEEN NOW AND 2040 THE PROJECTED NEED IS THAT WE HAD HOUSING FOR ANOTHER 2200, BASICALLY ANOTHER 2200 PEOPLE.
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STAFF IS LOOKING AT THAT.'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THING I'M THINKING TOO, THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, IF THE NEXT TRIGGER IS ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT WANTS TO BUILD 300 HOMES AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, SO DOES, I'M ASKING 'CAUSE THIS IS NEW TERRITORY FOR ME, IS THAT, SO THEN WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT BEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, BEAR SOME RESPONSIBILITY OR NEED OR PROPERS TO HELP US WITH THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO INCORPORATE ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR CIP.
SO THEN WHEN A DEVELOPER DOES COME TO LOOK TO INVEST IN THIS COMMUNITY, THOSE PROJECTS WILL BE LISTED ON THE CIP SO THEY'LL KNOW WHAT TYPE OF INVESTMENTS GONNA BE NEED TO BE MADE FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND TOO, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY BUILT, SO WHEN THEY COME AND WE, THEY, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT ALL THEIR PERMITS AND THEY THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, EACH UNIT THEY HAVE TO PAY A SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT FEE.
AND IT'S ABOUT ISH FOR A RESIDENTIAL, UM, UH, WHAT IS THAT? A TAP AND RIGHT.
AND SO EACH ONE OF THOSE IN THEORY, THAT AMOUNT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ENOUGH TO COVER THE COST TO SEE I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST TO TAP INTO IT.
BUT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO, TO NOT BURDEN THE EXISTING REPAIRS AND IT'S THEIR INVESTMENT INTO THE SYSTEM.
AND IS 10,000, ISN'T IT? I'M NOT FOR SURE WHAT THE CAP FEES ARE FOR ELECTRIC SHY FOR I WAS GONNA SAY I THINK I REMEMBER THAT NUMBER BEFORE.
AND THAT'S FOR HE NEW SIGNIFICANT ISN'T, AND THAT'S FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
IT, IT ALSO THAT'S THE COMPLETE MARSHALL YES.
THAT'S MARSHALL AND THEN THE UPPER PORTION OF EACH RUN.
SO THAT, SO THAT STUDY AREA WAS, THAT ALSO HAS THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE WE'RE SEEING WITH BECAUSE OF THESE WEST CONNECTORS.
SO, UM, AND, AND YOU'VE GOT THE VSA THAT'S LIMITING THAT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE EAST WEST CONNECT CONNECTOR, YOU'VE GOT RAILROAD ISSUES, UM, YOU'VE GOT SOME PARCELS HERE THAT ARE LAND LOTS TOO.
SO, BUT BY, RIGHT WHEN YOU LOOK AT JUST THE DENSITY, 1,331 HOMES IS APPROXIMATE FOR THIS PORTION OF TOWN.
AND I BELIEVE THEY INCLUDED SOME OF THE VACANT PIECES ALONG HAPPY CREEK.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW? I KNOW IT'S A LOT TO THINK ABOUT RIGHT NOW, SO, UM, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE, MAYBE I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT COULDN'T ACCESS THIS.
DID, WAS EVERYBODY ELSE ABLE TO GET TO IT BECAUSE IT NO, I KNOW IT SAID IT WOULD BE WITH THAT LINK AND IT WAS GOING IN BOX, BUT I COULDN'T YEAH, I WAS ABLE TO SEE HIM WENT.
I WONDER IF THIS, I MEAN I, YEAH, I, I, WELL SHE JUST FOLDER I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 'CAUSE MY OP IPAD NOT UPDATED OR WHAT, BUT, UM, SO, WELL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW? UH, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE IMPACTS ON THE ONSITE AND THE, THE OFFSITE IMPACTS SHOWS A PHYSICAL NET GAIN OF, UH, $407,270.
AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE OFFSITE IS ONCE YOU GET THE TOTAL BUILD OUT, YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE SPENDING MONEY IN YOUR TOWN.
SO IT DOESN'T SOLVE OUR PROBLEM NO MATTER HOW YOU DE DESCRIBE OR SAY WHAT AFFORDABLE HEALTH IS.
BUT IT DOES CREATE A TYPE OF HOUSING FOR AN INCOME OF PEOPLE THAT SHOULD CONTRIBUTE ECONOMICALLY TO OUR TOWN AND OUR COUNTY.
I THINK THAT'S ARGUABLE AND I, AND I ONLY SAY IT FROM KNOWING MY OWN EXPERIENCE OF, OF COMMUTING.
YOU PROBABLY, THESE PEOPLE ARE COMMUTING, WOULDN'T YOU, WOULDN'T YOU SAY WHEN LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD COME AND HAVE $191,000 INCOME ARE PROBABLY NOT GETTING IT HERE IN TOWN? WELL, YEAH, BUT THEY MAY BE, THEY MAY BE, UH, PROFESSIONALS, UH, THAT, THAT OWN THEIR, OWN, THEIR OWN COMPANY.
AND THEY MAYBE THEY'LL OPEN UP, UH, BRING A, A BUSINESS HERE THAT WILL HIRE EMPLOYEES.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE.
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BETTER OR WORSE.I MEAN, THE INDUSTRY WE HAVE IS PROBABLY THE INDUSTRY WE'RE GONNA HAVE.
THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THE CORRIDOR, CORRIDOR ONLY BEING WAREHOUSING.
NO TRUE MANUFACTURING JOBS COMING.
UH, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE MAY WORK FROM HOME, SOME PEOPLE MAY BE RETIRED.
UH, THE ODDS ARE WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE OUR TREND OF ABOUT 70% OF OUR POPULATION GOING IN, UM, INTO THE CITY, SO TO SPEAK, UM, TO EARN 11.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS THINKING, I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA COMPLETELY SECOND GUESS, UM, METHODOLOGY, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THINKING OF WHEN YOU COMMUTE TO THIS, TO THIS AREA.
'CAUSE WE KIND OF, I LIVE IN THIS AREA, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND, UM, AND, AND PROBABLY NOT GOING ANYWHERE ELSE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S JUST MY COMMUTER.
ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU DO? YOU TRY NOW IF YOU, IF YOU, IF THIS WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN, YOU MIGHT PASS, YOU MIGHT PASS A GROCERY STORE, YOU MIGHT PASS MARTIN'S.
SO WHAT DO YOU DO? DO YOU, DO YOU DO THAT OR DO YOU, DO YOU GET BACK INTO TOWN AND YOU SAY, OH, LET ME GO DOWN THERE.
SOMETIMES I I STOP AT WEGMANS.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST SAYING.
IT'S JUST, I'M JUST, I I THINK THAT SOMETIMES WE, WE OVERESTIMATE HOW MUCH PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY GET, GET INTO OUR TOWN AND, AND SPEND MONEY, ESPECIALLY WITH AMAZON.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE A BUSY PERSON, WHAT, HOW ARE YOU SPENDING MONEY? I DON'T KNOW THAT THE METHODOLOGY HAS KEPT UP WITH THE TRENDS OF, OF COMMUTERS IS ALL I'M SAYING.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN I, YOU KNOW, THE BEAU THE BEAUTY OF FRONT ROYAL TO INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE GONNA BE INTERESTED IN, IN THESE S IS THE PROXIMITY TO A MA THE MAJOR BUSINESS CENTERS, WHICH ARE IS ONLY ABOUT 35 MILES AWAY.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA BE DELUSIONAL.
WE, WE ARE SOMEWHAT OF A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S CHANGED A WHOLE LOT IN THE LAST, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I'D SAY PROBABLY IN THE LAST, EVEN WHEN I FIRST STARTED TEACHING IT WAS, IT FELT LIKE, BUT A LOT OF MY PARENTS, UH, WORKED OUT.
BUT I, I, I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, I MEAN, I ALWAYS SHOPPED HERE AND ALWAYS BOUGHT GAS HERE.
WHAT IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON IS IT INSANE AMONGST PEOPLE, IT TAKES 12 TO MAKE EIGHT 12 HOURS TO MAKE EIGHT HOURS PAY BECAUSE OF THE COMMUTING DISTANCE TRAFFIC AND THINGS IN MY CASE.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT AFFECTS OTHER PEOPLE.
IN MY CASE, IT CUT BACK ON MY ABILITY TO VOLUNTEER IN THE TIME, UH, IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I FOUND WHEN I WORKED HERE A LOT MORE TIME TO DO THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY, I THAT, BUT AGAIN, I MEAN THAT'S 70% OF OUR WORKING POPULATION ARE, YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THE COMP PLAN ACTUALLY, WHICH IS, I WOULD SAY THE INFORMATION WAS FROM 22, MAYBE 21, 22.
AND IT, AND IT QUOTED A PERCENTAGE OF, OF THE COMMUTERS FROM OUR COMMUNITY, BUT 67, 60 8%.
IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS A HIGH NUMBER.
IT WAS A HIGH NUMBER AND IT WAS ALSO, AND, AND ALSO A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY OR A RETIREMENT, UM, MORE PEOPLE RETIRING TO THIS AREA.
UM, SO, SO, SO THE SI THE SIZE OF THIS PROJECT DOES MEET OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF THE SMALL TOWN.
WELL, YEAH, WELL THE 82 HOMES WOULD DEFINITELY, FOR SURE.
UM, SO HERE'S WHAT I'M JUST THINKING.
WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE ITEMS, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION.
MAYBE NOW AND NEXT MONDAY PEOPLE COME BACK WITH ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AFTER BEING ABLE TO LOOK THROUGH EVERYTHING.
UM, AND IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU GUYS, WE CAN DO THAT.
AND THEN, AND THEN THAT WAY EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO LOOK AT, AT THE INFORMATION.
AS MELISSA POINTED OUT, SHE THINKS THIS IS THE LARGEST DOCUMENT WE'VE EVER HAD FOR, FOR NEXT WEEK.
DO YOU WANT ME TO TAKE MORE INTO THE METHODOLOGY OR JUST
I MEAN, MY GOD, NO, YOU HAVE, THIS WAS SO COMPREHENSIVE.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY, BUT SHE DOESN'T DO THE FINANCIAL IMPACT ANALYSIS WITH THE COMPANY THAT
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DOES THAT.AND I MEAN, OH, I DON'T WANT YOU TO PAY FOR ANYTHING.
NO, I'M SAYING I CAN EXPLAIN IT TO YOU IN THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
PATS RIGHT? WE'VE HAD, THEY'VE DONE PAT PATS AND ASSOCIATES.
I WAS JUST SAYING WE'VE HAD THEM BEFORE FOR DIFFERENT THINGS WHERE THEY DO THE FINANCIAL IMPACT.
SO, UM, SO I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, LOOK IT OVER IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
IT'S ALWAYS NICE IF STAFF KNOWS THE QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT THEY CAN PREPARE OR TALK TO THE APPLICANT OR WHOEVER IT IS THEY NEED TO.
AND OBVIOUSLY IF NOT, WE CAN, YOU CAN BRING 'EM UP NEXT MONDAY NIGHT TOO.
YOU ARE ACTUALLY THE NEXT ITEM TOO.
SO THIS SHOULD BE LESS COMPLICATED.
THIS ONE IS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
SO IT'S SPECIAL USED PERMIT APPLICATION, UH, FOUR 15 EAST MAIN STREET.
SO THIS IS THE BUILDING ON THE CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND BLUE RIDGE AVENUE.
UM, HERE'S THE EXTERIOR, CURRENT EXTERIOR RENDERING, UM, SIDE AND THE REAR
SO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING IS THAT ON THE UPPER LEVEL, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THREE DWELLING UNITS AND THEY'RE WANTING TO, WANTING PERMISSION BASICALLY TO TURN 'EM INTO SHORT TERM RENTALS, EACH, UH, SEPARATE UNIT.
AND THIS APPLICATION DOES NOT HAVE AN OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE EXEMPT AREA.
THERE'S PARKING AROUND THAT THOUGH.
UM, AND THEN, HEY, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FRONT? CAN YOU JUST I'M ALWAYS A VISUAL PERSON.
SO WHAT OF THOSE SIX WINDOWS, WHERE WAS IT? ALL WINDOWS.
SO, SO WHERE WOULD THE APARTMENTS BE UP THERE? OKAY, SO WITH THIS BUILDING ALMOST SIX, THEY'RE GONNA GO IN, I BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING IN, UH, THIS DOOR.
WE'LL TAKE YOU UP A STAIRWELL AND THAT'LL LET YOU ACCESS ALL OF THE APARTMENTS.
THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A CORRIDOR.
AND THEN IN THE, THE BACK ONE IN THE BACK, THERE'S AN ACCESS THERE AND THERE'S AN ACCESS HERE AS WELL.
SO THEY AREN'T JUST ACROSS THE FRONT.
THERE'S LIKE AT THE UPSTAIRS IT'S BROKEN UP INTO THREE DIFFERENT UNITS.
SO THE MAIN LEVEL'S GONNA BE A KIND FOR RESTAURANT USE.
AND YOU COME INTO THIS UNIT, UM, I BELIEVE YOU CAN ACCESS, THOSE ARE THE BEDROOMS. YOU COME UP THE BACK STAIRS, YOU GET INTO THIS UNIT AND THEN YOU CAN ACCESS THE SAME.
SO WILL EACH OF 'EM HAVE ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOMS? UM, EACH ONE HAS, UH, TWO BEDROOMS. SO THIS UNIT HAS TWO, UH, TWO FULL, FULL BEDROOM.
WHENEVER A SHORT TERM RENTAL IS OBVIOUSLY, SO THAT IF THEY WANNA RENT IT FOR LESS THAN 30 DAYS.
BUT THEY STILL HAVE THE OPTION TO RENT IT FOR LONGER THAN THAT WITH A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I I JUST WANTED TO SAY LIKE IF THEY STARTED TO DO THIS AND THEN THEY SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE WANT ONE OF THOSE, IT'S GONNA BE A PERMANENT RENTER FOR A YEAR LEASE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT, BUT IT'S A AVAIL.
BUT THIS APPLICATION IS SO THAT IN CASE THEY POSSIBILITY THEY CERTAINLY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH WITH IT'S AMAZING WHAT I KNOW.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I ACTUALLY, IT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS I LIKE TO RIDE BY AND GO, WHAT HAVE THEY DONE NOW? SO, BUT ANYWAY, IT DEFINITELY LOOKS GOOD AND I THINK BEING ON MAIN STREET, I COULD SEE IT HAVING A MARKET FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND IT'S NOT REALLY IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, SO IT SHOULDN'T BE INCONVENIENCING ANYBODY, ANY COMMISSION RECOMMEND.
WHAT'D YOU SAY? I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM DOING THAT FOR HIM.
YEAH, NO, I, I MEAN I'M BEEN VOCAL ABOUT, I KNOW YOU HAVE, BUT I MEAN THE C TWO C TWO YEAH.
I KNOW IS THE PERFECT VENUE FOR THIS.
THAT'S WHY I LOOKED AT YOU AND SAID, AND IT'S NOT JOSH, I LOOKED AT YOU SPECIFICALLY TO SAY, AND LOOK BRUCE WEREN'T HAPPY.
SO IS IS MARK POE THE, UM, OWNER OR IS IT CRAIG Z IS THE OWNER, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
SOLD IT TO MARK AND YULIA POE ARE THE APPLICANTS.
WHO WERE THEY HAD DAILY GARAGE, RIGHT? DAILY GARAGE, YEAH.
AND THEY DID HAVE A SHOE STORE, BUT NOW IT'S BUCKLE AND BELL AND JUST FOR THE COUNCIL, WE'VE NOT, WE'VE GOT A RETURN TO OUR AIRBNB.
WE'VE GOTTA RETURN TO THAT AIRBNB TAX ISSUE AND DISCUSS THAT.
IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN DO IT ON WHATEVER MECHANISM WE NEED TO DO AND, AND ALSO ADDRESS OUR PEOPLE GRANDFATHERED IN, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE POPPING UP SO MUCH NOW, YOU KNOW, PRETTY SOON WE'LL BE PAST THE POINT OF YEAH, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GRANDFATHERED
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IN ON THE SHORT, SHORT TERM RENTAL BECAUSE IF THEY HAVE ONE AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, THEN YEAH, WE, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE DOING IT, HADN'T GOTTEN A PERMIT AND THEN CAME IN AND GOT A PERMIT.BUT IF WE DID, IF WE HAD STARTED INSTITUTING TAXES IS WHAT I'M SAYING, WOULD THEY BE GRANT WITH, DO YOU GET GRANDFATHERED IN? IS THERE WELL, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO ALREADY
THAT'S WHERE THE, THAT'S WHERE THE ISSUE JUST, WELL THAT, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP BECAUSE I HAVE A REAL CONCERN AFTER THIS PROJECT, AFTER THIS PROJECT WITH, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE A MORATORIUM ON SUVS UNTIL WE FIND A WAY TO RECEIVE OUR TAXING.
THIS WHOLE MOTEL THING, CONVERSION OPENED MY EYES TO A LOT OF ISSUES.
YOU POINTED OUT, WE'RE LOSING OUR TAX REVENUE.
I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE SUVS ARE AFFECTING OUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, OUR, OUR MOTELS IN TOWN AND, AND WE CAN'T GET A STRAIGHT ANSWER AND THAT, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT TONIGHT, BUT WE CAN'T FIND OUT IF WE'RE COLLECTING RENTAL, UH, RENTAL TAX OR NOT.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU HAVE A BUSINESS AND YOU'RE NOT PAYING TAXES, YOU HAVE A BUSINESS AT ART.
SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO CONSIDER PUTTING THAT ON A FUTURE WORK SESSION THAT AFTER WE GET THIS THROUGH, THIS IS NEEDED.
THEY HAVE MADE A HUGE INVESTMENT IN DOWNTOWN.
I DON'T WANT TO DELAY THIS, BUT I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU, WE WE NEED TO HIT PAUSE UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
AND IT, IT'S SHORTING US OF INCOME.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
AND WE, AND WE CAN ADD THAT TO AN AGENDA.
BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN THERE, LIKE THEY WERE SAYING, LIKE, AND BEFORE WE EVEN PASSED THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCES WAY BACK, LIKE, I'M TRYING TO THINK, WAS IT TWO YEARS AGO? WELL, WE DISCUSSED IT FOR LONGER THAN THAT.
BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IT SINCE I WAS ON COUNCIL TEAM.
UM, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS LIKE, HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT GETTING THE LODGING TAX BECAUSE AIRBNB IS LIKE AN INTERMEDIARY VRBO, I DON'T EVEN KNOW ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS OR WHATEVER.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, WHO'S MAKING SURE THAT THE LODGING TAX IS BEING COLLECTED AND HOW IT'S GETTING THERE? AND YOU ALREADY KNOW ALL THAT.
THEY TALKED ABOUT MAYBE THE STATE SHOULD BE DOING IT AND MAYBE THE STATE DOESN'T WANNA DO IT 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH MORE STAFF, WHICH I CAN GET THAT THEN STOP DOING IT.
BUT IF VIRGINIA IS GONNA, I MEAN VIRGINIA IS VERY, I MEAN AT ONE POINT THE GOVERNOR TALKED ABOUT MAKING, YOU DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO APPLY FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL, REMEMBER? OR WAS THAT BEFORE YOU GOT HERE? THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IT WAS JUST GONNA BE BY RATE.
AND IF THAT WAS THE CASE, HOW DO YOU, SO ANYWAY, BUT WELL, IT'D BE JUST LIKE YOUR, TO ME IT'D BE JUST LIKE A BUSINESS LICENSE.
I MEAN, PEOPLE CAN OPERATE IT OUT OF THEIR HOME AND NOT PAY TAXES OR THEY CAN OPERATE IT AND PAY TAXES.
IT WOULDN'T COME BEFORE COUNCIL WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE.
BUT ANYWAY, BUT I WOULD AGREE, I WILL AGREE THAT IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR.
LIKE, 'CAUSE I KNOW I'VE STAYED IN AIRBNB AND THEY COLLECT THE LODGING TAX.
I'M ASSUMING IT GOES TO THE LOCALITY.
YOU WOULD ONE WOULD HOPE SO ANYWAY.
WELL, AS A RENTER I DON'T CARE.
BUT I MEAN, AS A, AS A PART OF THE TOWN, I WOULD LIKE THOSE TO BE, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
MAYBE SOME AREN'T CHARGING SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY IT.
IT MAKES THEIR HOUSE CHEAPER TO RENT.
UM, SO BEFORE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT NOBODY REALLY HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
AM I? AM I WELL, OF COURSE IT'S RESERVED UNTIL YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
NO, I KNOW THAT, THAT THAT WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT.
WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT WAS, ARE YOU READY TO PUT THIS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING IN JULY? THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING, I WASN'T ASKING HOW YOU WERE GONNA VOTE.
SO, SO YEAH, I WANT A CONSENSUS TO MOVE THIS TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO JULY, 2017, AND WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT.
THE LAST ITEM IS THE LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING ITEMS FOR, AND IT SAYS JULY 18TH, 2024.
AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, WE HAD SAID BEFORE THAT THAT DATE WASN'T GONNA WORK.
UM, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE OUT OF TOWN.
AND NOT THAT I'M THE ONLY ONE, THERE'S OTHERS TOO.
SO I'VE TRIED TO GO BACK AND FORTH WITH, UH, THE COUNTY ABOUT LIKE WHAT DAY IT WOULD WORK.
AND IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THAT JULY 23RD, WHICH IS THE DAY, IT'S A TUESDAY, THE DAY AFTER OUR REGULAR MEETING,
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AND WE HOST IT THIS TIME.SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY MEETINGS THAT WILL BE IN THIS ROOM ON THAT NIGHT, ON A TUESDAY.
SO JULY 23RD WOULD BE THE LIAISON MEETING.
AND I'M, UH, CHAIRMAN CALLERS IS CONFIRMING, BUT SHE FELT LIKE THAT WAS GONNA WORK.
UM, SO WE JUST NEED TO DECIDE IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT.
AND BECAUSE IT'S A LONGER WEIGHT SPAN, WE CAN EVEN, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT POPS UP ON YOUR MIND BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MONDAY, WE CAN DO IT TOO.
UM, SO YEAH, SO THERE'S TWO ITEMS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, UM, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, COME AT THE LIAISON MEETING.
THE ONE IS ABOUT THE RECENT CHANGE IN TIPPING FEES.
UM, NOT NECESSARILY, I MEAN, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A DONE DEAL, BUT JUST MAYBE JUST TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF THINGS, UM, AHEAD OF TIME, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT FINDING THINGS OUT AT THE LAST MINUTE.
THERE IS A BDA MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THE 23RD IN HERE.
I MEAN, IT'S ON THE CALENDAR AND I KNOW, AND WITHOUT LAUREN TO KNOW WHETHER ANYBODY'S HAD ANY APPEALS.
WELL, UM, WE, I TELL YOU WHAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THIS.
YOU GET WITH ME IN THE MORNING AND TELL ME IF THE 23RD DOESN'T WORK.
'CAUSE I'LL TELL Y'ALL IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO MOVE IT TO AUGUST BECAUSE WE JUST COULD NOT FIND BETWEEN THEIR THURSDAY.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE TUESDAY MEETINGS, WE HAVE MONDAY MEETINGS.
THERE WASN'T A THURSDAY THAT WAS GONNA WORK.
UM, BECAUSE THEY, SOME OF THEM WERE GONNA BE OUTTA TOWN.
SO YOU FIND OUT FROM LAUREN IN THE MORNING AND IF THE 23RD DOESN'T WORK, WE'LL GET, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND PICK AN OFFICE DATE.
SO I, DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT? WE SHOULDN'T ADD THE TIPPING FEES CONVERSATION TO THE LIAISON MEETING.
AND THEN THERE WAS ONE OTHER ITEM.
IT SAYS COUNTY UPDATE ON SCHOOL ZONE ON THE, THE SCHOOL ZONE CAMERAS.
THAT WAS THE LAST YOU'RE LOOKING THE LAST ONE.
THAT'S THE ONE OR NOT? WELL, THAT'S, SO, SO WHAT TINA DOES IS THAT SHE ALWAYS GIVES US THE AGENDA FOR THE LAST ONE TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ON THERE THAT WE NEEDED TO REVISIT AGAIN.
AND THAT WASN'T AN ITEM THAT WE NEEDED TO REVISIT.
MINUTES OF THAT MEETING ARE SUPPOSED TO BE READY TO SEE.
SO BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE COUNTY WAS DOING THOSE MINUTES, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO, UM, THAT WAS TIPPING FEES.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT APPARENTLY, I GUESS THE COUNTY IS CONSIDERING OR HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT A CIGARETTE TAX ORDINANCE.
UM, AND SHE COUNTY'S DOING, CONSIDERING IT TOO.
PAGE COUNTY ALREADY HAS HAD IT FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND, UM, THE COUNTY MENTIONED TO US, YOU KNOW, UH, WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN WANTED TO THINK ABOUT DOING? I'M, I'M ASSUMING IF THE COUNTY DID IT NOW ANYWAY, THAT WOULD BE, YES, GO AHEAD.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I THINK I MENTIONED A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO, THE TOWN OF MOUNT JACKSON, THE ARTICLE ABOUT THEIR BUDGET, THEY INCREASED THEIR, IN SAN COUNTY, THEY INCREASED THEIR CIGARETTE TAX.
SO I WASN'T SURE ABOUT HOW WE DID IT HERE.
I MEAN, I DON'T SMOKE, SO I DON'T PAY IT.
SO I WOULD CERTAINLY SUBMIT WE'D BE IN LOCKSTEP BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL BUYING CIGARETTES ARE CHEAPER IN THE COUNTY OR IN THE TOWN.
I MEAN, ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST, NO.
WELL AND ACTUALLY YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT, WHICH IS THE REASON WHY I THOUGHT THAT IF WE ADDED THAT TO THE LIAISON MEETING, WE COULD ASK THEM WHAT THEY WERE LIKE, WHAT THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT DOING AND HOW THEY WERE GONNA MAKE IT HAPPEN.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT IF THEY INSTITUTED THAT, THAT IT WOULD JUST BE FOR THINGS THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN WOULD BE SEPARATE.
I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE HONESTLY LIKE THE MEALS TAX, IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.
LIKE THEY YEAH, BUT IF THEY, WELL, YEAH, SO I THOUGHT WE ASKED ABOUT THAT.
SO YOU, THE TOWN WOULD BE ON TOP OF WHATEVER THE COUNTY, SO NOBODY WOULD WANNA BUY A CIGARETTE IN TOWN BECAUSE THEY, THEY WOULD BE PAYING TWICE.
YEAH, I'M NOT SO WE'LL READ STATE ORDINANCE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING IS I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS A STATE ISSUE WITH IT THAT WE DISCUSSED LIKE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WHERE I KNOW IT CAME UP.
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BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE VAPE THING AT THE TIME, IS WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.I, I THINK I, I DO REMEMBER THAT.
ANYWAY, ALL I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT RATHER THAN US BEING ONE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL AND FINDING OUT LATER, MAYBE BRINGING UP AT THE LIAISON MEETING TO ASK THEM WHAT ARE THEY THINKING ABOUT? 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THEIRS WOULD START UNTIL JANUARY OF 2025 IF THEY APPROVED IT.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW, BUT RATHER FOR US TO KNOW IT, AND I, AND I HAVE THOUGHTS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING I WOULD SUPPORT OR NOT SUPPORT THIS.
I'M JUST SAYING WE SHOULD BRING IT UP AT THE LIAISON.
UM, BECAUSE APPARENTLY THERE ARE SOME PLACES MAYBE ALREADY THAT DON'T SELL CIGARETTES ANYMORE THAT, THAT A LOT OF THE VAPE SHOP DO, BUT NOT ALL THE VAPE SHOP.
I, I'M LIKE, GLEN, I DON'T SMOKE OR VAPE, SO I'M, I'M KIND OF LOST ON THIS ONE.
BUT, UM, BUT BECAUSE THE COUNTY DID, UH, DISCUSS IT WITH THE COUNT TOWN, UM, MENTIONED IT, I FELT LIKE I WANTED TO KNOW MORE THAN JUST TALK.
I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE COUNTY WAS THINKING ABOUT AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN GEORGE OR WHOEVER CAN INVESTIGATE WHAT THAT IS AND HOW THAT WORKS.
AND I MEAN, I'M NOT REALLY EVER IN FAVOR OF, OF EXTRA TAXES, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE JUST PICKING ONE THING TO TAX, YOU KNOW, UM, ONE, WELL, I SHOULD SAY ONE USER TO TAX, BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE COUNTY'S DOING AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, ESPECIALLY IF IT IMPACTS US TOO.
UM, WHAT ELSE? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU ALL ARE THINKING? WERE, WERE, WERE YOU, IT IS LIKE EVERYTHING I DROPPED ABOUT VAPE SHOP REGULATION IS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO ENTERTAIN WITH THE COUNTY TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE THINKING IS ABOUT VAPE SHOP? VAPE SHOPS IN THE COUNTY ISN'T YEAH, THERE IS, THERE'S A COUPLE IN THE COUNTY, IN THE COUNTY GO OUT TO THE WALMART.
IT'S A CONTINUATION OF THAT DISCUSSION OR YEAH, I'M ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF DISCUSSING WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THE SHOPS, BUT, UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, OR JOSH SAID MAYBE JUST A CONTINUATION OF A DISCUSSION.
NO, WE HAVE, UM, WE, WE, WE HAVE A GROUP OVER HERE THAT THEY, BUT YEAH.
WELL ANYWAY, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT I, I THOUGHT, UM, WE, UM, WE COULD, YEAH, IF YOU WANNA DO THAT OR AT LEAST ASK I, I, I WILL SAY EVERY TIME WE DISCUSS THIS, EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT DISCUSSING IT, IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN WE'VE DISCUSSED IT BEFORE, THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT OTHER LOCALITIES IN VIRGINIA THAT TRIED STUFF.
I WOULD THINK BY NOW SOME OF THOSE CASES WOULD BE COMING TO BEAR AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND OUT IF ANYTHING ANYBODY ELSE DID, DID IT WORK OR NOT.
SO GENERALLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RATIONAL BASIS FOR TREATING THEM DIFFERENTLY, RIGHT.
SO ANYWAY, DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS, UM, I KNOW WE'RE UNDER VOLUNTARY WATER.
IS THERE ANYTHING TO DISCUSS AROUND THAT? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE TO DISCUSS.
I MEAN THE, THE LAST TIME WE HAD MCKAY SPRINGS ON THE, OUR MEETING AND JOE SHARED INFORMATION ABOUT OUR WATER STUDY, OUR WATER SUPPLY PLAN.
UM, MR. WA, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU THINK OF THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DISCUSS WITH THE COUNTY AT THIS TIME? NO, NOT AT ALL.
I MEAN, WE DID GO INTO VOLUNTARY WATER CONSERVATION TODAY DUE TO THE LEVELS OF THE RIVER.
UH, I WILL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL PROBABLY LATE AUGUST WITH, UH, WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE TO EXPLORE THE CASE SPRING.
SO ANY CONVERSATION ON THAT WOULD BE PREMATURE AT THIS POINT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? SO THE HOUSING VIOLATIONS AND TENANT LANDLORD, THAT WAS DEFERRED TO JULY? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
AND IT WAS DEFERRED BECAUSE THEIR BUILDING PEOPLE COULDN'T DO IT, SO PROBABLY, I THINK WE SHOULD, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD, I'LL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, UM, I JUST KNOW THAT WHENEVER WE PUT ANYTHING ON HERE, WE HAVE TO GIVE TINA AN IDEA OF WHAT THE SUMMARY IS BECAUSE SHE HAS TO PROVIDE THE SUMMARY TO THE OTHER, TO OUR COUNTERPARTS SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT IT IS WE'RE ACTUALLY DISCUSSING.
IT CAN'T BE JUST LIKE AN OUT THERE, BUT WAS VAPE SHOPS SUPPOSED TO BE ON HERE FOUR ITEMS OR THREE? WELL, WE BROUGHT VAPE SHOPS.
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TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CONVERSATION IS.I'M, I'M WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD WE BE DISCUSSING WITH THEM WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANTED TO ENTERTAIN ANY TYPE OF IN REGULATION? WELL, TO THE ZONING.
YEAH, IT WAS LIKE ZONING REGULATION.
WE, WE WE'RE DISCUSSING ON FUTURE, UH, ABOUT MAYBE DISTANCE BETWEEN YEAH.
THIS EACH OTHER, ENTERTAINING THE THINGS ABOUT THAT STUFF.
OF COURSE IT, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY THAT'S BEEN ADDED IN THE LAST YEAR.
SO IS THERE BEEN ANY NUANCES? WELL, THERE'S ONE THAT MIGHT BE COMING FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, NO.
IF YOU REMEMBER OUR CONVERSATION, THE ONE THING THAT YOU COULD, AND I THOUGHT WE ALL AGREED SHOULD DO IS GET SOMETHING IN PLACE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE IT IN OUR HISTORICAL DISTRICT.
WE DID, WE DISCUSSED IT WITH, UM, WE DISCUSSED IT WITH JOINT, THE JOINT PLANNING TOWN, TOWN COUNCIL PLANNING, JOINT PLANNING.
THAT WAS AT OUR LAST JOINT MEETING.
WE DID DISCUSS HEAVILY ABOUT VAPE SHOPS, BUT WE DIDN'T GO DOWN TO SAYING LIKE ABSOLUTELY.
BUT, BUT I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I THOUGHT THE CONSENSUS WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT, THE ONLY THING WE COULD DO IS BE PROACTIVE IN PREVENTING IT FROM MAINSTREAM, FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, LEGALLY TELL YOU WHAT A RATIONAL BASIS.
SO WE, WE, WE'VE GOT FOUR ITEMS THAT WE'RE TOYING AROUND.
ALL I CAN SAY IS POSSIBLE NEXT MONDAY WE'D HAVE TIME TO REVISIT THIS.
SO I WOULD SAY YOU HAVE TIME, IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WANNA BRING UP, IF YOU BROUGHT UP ONE OF THE THINGS, MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT THE DISCUSSION WOULD BE.
I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE THE TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE ON THERE AS WELL.
IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA PUSH IT TOO, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE ACTIVELY YEP.
AND THAT'S ALWAYS GOOD THAT THEY REPORT THINGS.
AND JUST BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT WEEK, SOMEBODY THINKS, WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY WHO WANTS TO JOIN ME? BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT THE DATE IS, IT DOESN'T REALLY BE ANY GOOD DOES IT?
BUT THE ONLY, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WAS, IF YOU, IF YOU WANTED IT ON THERE, WAS TO GET ANY NEW INFORMATION, IF THERE IS ANY, ABOUT THE, UH, UH, RAIL OR TRAIL, UH OKAY.
SO THERE, SO I THINK I SHARED LAST WEEK AT THE TOWN THAT MR. WALTZ AND I JUST RECENTLY ATTENDED THAT MEETING.
YOU KNOW WHAT MR. WALTZ, I, THE ONLY PERSON FROM THE COUNTY THAT WAS THERE WAS THEIR TOURISM DIRECTOR, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'D BE ABLE TO SHARE ANY MORE THAN WHAT WE DID.
UM, I I'M GONNA TRY, I'LL TRY TO GET WITH YOU AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT AT LEAST IF YOU, IF, IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU, NOTHING'S REALLY CHANGED.
VDOT IS CURRENTLY DOING THEIR STUDY AND THERE WAS THREE PHASES AND THEY STARTED PHASE TWO, RIGHT? I BELIEVE.
I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET MY NOTES, BUT, SO, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYTHING'S REALLY CHANGED AND I'M NOT SURE WHEN, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHEN I WENT TO THAT MEETING.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT, YEAH, I DON'T.
SO PHASE ONE WAS THE SPRING TO THE SUMMER OF 2024 AND PHASE TWO, WHICH WAS THE CORRIDOR ASSESSMENT WITH THE HYDRAULICS AND STORMWATER, ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, FIELD ASSESSMENTS, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, THE DATES FOR THAT WAS SUMMER OF 2024 TILL WINTER 24, 25.
SO THAT'S THE, I WOULD SAY THAT'S THE PHASE WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.
PHASE ONE IS COMPLETE, BUT THEY HAVEN'T RELEASED THE RESULTS OF PHASE ONE YET, WHICH I SUSPECT WILL BE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.
BUT THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO GET ALL THREE PHASES DONE BY THE SPRING OF NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN ONCE THEY HAVE ALL THAT, THEN THAT'S WHEN I BELIEVE THE LEGISLATURE WILL BE PRESENTED WITH THE INFORMATION THEY HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT'S THE BEST USE OF THAT CORRIDOR, WHETHER IT'S RAIL WICK TRAIL OR RAIL TWO TRAIL.
IS THAT, WOULD YOU SAY THAT? SO DO YOU STILL FEEL LIKE, DO, DO WE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S OKAY.
BUT THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT.
AND I MEAN, AND IF ANYBODY FROM THE COUNTY WANTS TO KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS CERTAINLY TELL 'EM 'CAUSE BUT THEY DID HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WENT TO THE SAME MEETING WE DID.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MONDAY, IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD TO THE AGENDA, LET US KNOW.
WE'LL TRY TO FIRM UP A DATE BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MONDAY FOR YOU GUYS TO KNOW AND MEETING AND JURY.