* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ORDERED [00:00:01] WITH THE [Planning and Zoning Work Session on June 5, 2024.] PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION ON THE AGENDA ARE TWO ITEMS. ONE IS THE SHORTER ITEM, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL CALL, ROLL CALL. OH, YES. THANK YOU. WE YES. ROLL HERE. MS. POTTER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? CERTAINLY. CHAIRMAN MARNER. I'M HERE. COMMISSIONER MARRAZZO? HERE. VICE CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS? HERE. COMMISSIONER MATTHEW? HERE. COMMISSIONER GILLESPIE. HERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE ARE ALL PRESENT AND FOR, AND REOPENING THE AGENDA. THERE ARE, THERE ARE TWO ITEMS. ONE IS SHORT IN TERMS OF CONSUMPTION OF OUR TIME. ONE IS GONNA BE LONG. THE, THE WAY THE AGENDA IS WRITTEN, THE SHORTER ONE IS ON LAST. THAT IS THE, UH, UH, 2 4 0 0 2 9 4 MARK POE REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTAL ON MAIN STREET. THE LONG ONE IS THE REZONING APPLICATION, 2 4 0 0 2 5 OH. HANOCK, H-C-L-L-C FOR THE 1321 HAPPY CREEK ROAD. UM, IN THE INTEREST OF THE, UH, EFFICIENCY OF OPERATION AND TO AVOID MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVING TO SIT ENDLESSLY THROUGH LONG DISCUSSIONS THAT DON'T CONCERN THEM, UH, SOME, THE SUGGESTION HAS BEEN MADE THAT WE REARRANGE THOSE AND TO FLIP THOSE TWO. SO THE SHORTER ISSUE CAN BE DEALT WITH FASTER. AND, UH, IF THERE'S UNANIMOUS CONSENT AMONG THOSE AROUND THE TABLE. WE'RE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, HEARING THE MOTION AND A SECOND OPPOSED NEED. A MOTION NEEDS TO BE OFFICIAL. OKAY. SOME, SOME SECOND YOU WERE GONNA DO. OKAY. UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A AYE. RAISE. UNANIMOUS. SETTLE. UH, MICHAEL. OKAY. GOTCHA. UNANIM SECONDED. AND IT WAS UNANIMOUS. OKAY. WHICH CASE WE WILL NOW DEAL WITH ITEM NUMBER 2 4 0 0 2 9 4. MR. WARE, WILL YOU BRIEF US ON THIS, PLEASE? THESE OTHER, UH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, REQUEST FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 4 1 5 EAST MAIN STREET. UH, PERMIT NUMBER 24 0 0 2 9 4. UH, THERE IS THE PROPERTY LATER, UH, LOCATED THERE ON EAST MAIN STREET BY THE TAX MAP. UH, AERIAL, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY, THAT'S OTHER OLDER PHOTOGRAPHS. UH, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. THE, UH, FORMER WOR PAINT BUILDING SAT THERE ON THE CORNER. THEY HAVE DONE SUBSTANTIAL RENOVATIONS TO THAT PROJECT OVER THE LAST, UH, 12, 14 MONTHS. UM, SO THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING, THEY DID A, STARTED THE RENOVATIONS ON THE UPSTAIRS AND THEN THE, UH, GROUND FLOOR OF RENOVATIONS. EXTERIOR. UH, PART OF THAT PROJECT WITH THE EXTERIOR RENOVATIONS WENT TO THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEWS SINCE IT'S LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THEY HAVE DONE SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES. SO THAT STRUCTURE, UH, ON ALL SIDES. AND WHAT THEY'RE COMING BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING FOR IN THE WORK SESSION IS TO ALLOW A SHORT TERM RENTAL. THERE IS THREE, CURRENTLY, THREE APARTMENTS ON THE SECOND FLOOR. UH, APARTMENTS, ONE, TWO, AND THREE. UH, THAT'S THE RENDERING OF THE, UH, RENOVATIONS OF THOSE APARTMENTS. SO THEY DID OBTAIN ALL THE NECESSARY PERMITS TO DO THE WORK ON THE INTERIOR TO RENOVATE THOSE APARTMENTS. THEY HAVE SUBMITTED A MANAGEMENT PLAN, UH, EVACUATION PLAN WITH THAT AND A PLA OF THE PROPERTY. THEY DO HAVE PARKING IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY HERE SHOWING ON THE PLAQUE. SO WHAT THEY'RE COMING BEFORE YOU IS FOR, UH, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ALL THREE APARTMENTS. UH, EACH APARTMENT HAS TWO BEDROOMS. UH, HOWEVER, IF YOU REMEMBER, THOSE PROPERTIES ON EAST MAIN STREET ARE EXEMPT FROM THE PARKING STANDARDS. UH, TOWN STAFF WILL HAVE TO CONTACT THE APPLICANT TO DO AN INSPECTION OF THE, UH, APARTMENTS, THE THREE APARTMENTS, TO MAKE SURE THE EVACUATION PLANS ARE POSTED. UH, THEY HAVE THE APPLICABLE BUILDING CODE FOR THE FIRE, UH, ALARMS AND CO DETECTORS IN PLACE. AND, UH, PART OF THE MANAGEMENT PLAN, THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND STUFF THAT'S REQUIRED WITH THE MANAGEMENT PLAN THERE PRIOR TO, UH, YOUR [00:05:01] MEETING THAT AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, THAT'S YOUR REGULAR MEETING, WHICH IS A WEEK LATER THAN NORMAL BECAUSE OF THE, UH, HOLIDAY ON THE 19TH. SO A SHORT TERM RENTAL, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. UM, USUALLY THE QUESTIONS ARISE IS ON THE PARKING, BUT THOSE, UH, STRUCTURES ARE LO LOCATED ALONG THE STREET ARE EXEMPT FROM THE PARKING STANDARDS. UH, SO IT'S FOR TWO BEDROOMS FOR EACH APARTMENT, FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICATION? I DO. OKAY. SO THEY'RE EXEMPT. WAS THAT A GRANDFATHER THING OR IS THAT A FOREVER THING THAT THEY'RE EXEMPT AS, AS WITH OUR CODE, THE, THE TOWN CODE, ALL PROPERTIES LOCATED ON EAST MAIN STREET FROM SOUTH ROYAL TO HAPPY CREEK ARE EXEMPT FROM THE PARKING STANDARDS, ALL STRUCTURES THAT FRONT ON EAST MAIN. OKAY. DOES THE CODE SAY STRUCTURES OR BUSINESSES HAD TO FRONT THE FRONT? I THINK THE LOTS HAVE TO FRONT, IF I REMEMBER THE EXACT, I'LL GET THAT CORRECT TERMINOLOGY, BUT THE, THE LOT FRONTS ON EAST MAIN STREET. OKAY. THEY ARE EXEMPT BACK TO JACKSON STREET TOO. RIGHT. THERE'S A SECTION OF JACKSON STREET. BUT JUST WHERE, FOR THIS PROJECT, WE'RE JUST CONCENTRATING ON EAST MAIN STREET? YES. ARE THE APARTMENTS, THE APARTMENTS ARE ONLY ON THE SECOND FLOOR, CORRECT? YES. UM, IS THERE ANYTHING RELATING TO THIS PERMIT THAT IS THEN ON THE FIRST FLOOR? NO. UH, THE FIRST FLOOR WILL BE A RESTAURANT WITH SEATING AREA, AND THEY HAVE STAIRS AND EVERYTHING TO ACCESS THOSE APARTMENTS. UH, THEY WERE THERE ORIGINALLY. UH, WE MAY, UH, TOWN STAFF WILL PUT A CONDITION, UH, WHEN YOU RECEIVE YOUR, UH, STAFF REPORT, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO BASICALLY ESTABLISH THE USE BEFORE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT COULD BE ISSUED. IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE, UH, OTHER PROJECTS WE DID FOR WHEN THE USE WAS DISCONTINUED, THE BUILDING HAS SET VACANT FOR SOME TIME. SO THAT USE HAS DISCONTINUED. SO THEY NEED TO GET AN OCCUPANCY PERMIT FROM THE COUNTY PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, OCCUPY THE BUILDING. SO THAT'LL BE PLACED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT FOR THE MEETING LATER THIS MONTH. THAT'LL BE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS STAFF RECOMMENDS WITH THE STAFF REPORT THAT YOU PUT A CONDITION ON THAT. AND, UH, SORRY IF I'M NOT READING THIS CORRECTLY. UM, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, THESE STAIRWELL ACCESSES TO THESE THREE DIFFERENT APARTMENTS, ARE THEY HAVE, UM, EXTERIOR ENTRANCE, OR IS THAT AN INTERIOR ENTRANCE? UM, WELL, WITH THE RENOVATIONS OF THE, OF THE BUILDING, ALL APPLICABLE BUILDING CODES ARE ENFORCED FROM WARREN COUNTY. SO WHEN THEY DID THE RENOVATIONS OF THE ACCESS, THEY HAD TO GRANT ACCESS TO THAT, THE COUNTY WITH THAT RENOVATIONS. ALL APPLICABLE BUILDING CODES APPLY TO THAT. THAT'S AN INTERIOR STAIRWELL, CORRECT? UP FRONT, YES. MM-HMM. SO DO PEOPLE WHO'S STAYING THERE WOULD HAVE TO ENTER THROUGH THE RESTAURANT AND THEN GO UPSTAIRS? THEY HAVE ANOTHER DOOR THERE TO GET THROUGH. I SEE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SORRY, I, I DIDN'T ANSWER. I ASKED MY QUESTION EXACTLY. YEAH. SO THEY, THEY'RE DOING SOME RENOVATIONS AND WE'LL HAVE UPDATED PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PARTY. SO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ENTRANCE. YES. I GOT SWEAR. MM-HMM, , I NOTICED IT WITH THE SIX BEDROOMS AND THE SIX PARKING PLACES THAT, THAT MEETS THE TOWN STANDARD. RIGHT? THE TOWN CODE. WELL, THEY WOULD HAVE THE, THERE WOULD BE, WOULD BE A TOTAL OF SIX, UH, TWO BEDROOMS PER APARTMENT. SO THEY WOULD HAVE SIX, SIX BEDROOMS EACH. NORMALLY REQUIRING SIX PARKING SPACES. THEY DO HAVE PARKING IN THE BACK. THIS BACK HERE DOES HAVE PARKING AVAILABLE. SO EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE EXEMPT, THEY STILL HAVE PARKING. THAT LOT DOES HAVE PARKING. OKAY. SO, BUT THEY ARE EXEMPT, UH, DOWN CODE TO HAVE PARKING. BUT THE PARKING'S THERE ANYWAY, THE PARKING IS THERE. YES. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. WELL, I THINK WE, UH, UH, IF WE ARE PLEASED WITH THIS, WE GO AHEAD AND PUT ON OUR AGENDA FOR JUNE THE 26TH. IT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS. IT HAS ALREADY BEEN. YEAH. YOU, YOU DID CONSENT AGENDA COURT. SO IT WILL GO. DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS BEFORE THE MEETING THAT YOU, UH, ANYTHING TO PUT IN [00:10:01] THE STAFF REPORT? THOUGHTFUL THERE, MR. MATTHEW? UM, I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE CODE. DOES IT HAVE A SPRINKLER SYSTEM? ALL, ALL APPLICABLE BUILDING CODE. SO WHEN THEY GET THE RENOVATIONS, I, I, I CANNOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION. ALL APPLICABLE BUILDING CODES ENFORCED BY THE COUNTY OR THE NOVATION TAKES PLACE THAT WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY ON THAT OR, OR INDIFFERENCE FOR THAT PROJECT. WE WE'RE GOOD. PROBABLY WILL BE CONSIDERABLE IMPROVEMENT OVER OTHER APARTMENTS ON MAIN STREET. AND HOWEVER, WHEN'S THE, WHEN'S THE STEAKHOUSE COME OPEN? THAT'S ALL I CARE ABOUT. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION. NO, IT'S ALREADY, SO LAST MONTH YOU GUYS DID THE CONSENT TO ADVERTISE THAT. WE TOLD THE STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND WE'RE ALL PUSH IT FORWARD TO, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING. THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO ACT ON AN APPLICATION IT NEEDS TO GO FORWARD TO. SO PUTTING IT ON AGENDA, ALL THE ADJACENT, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED AS WELL. THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGNS WILL GO UP NEXT WEDNESDAY. ANYTIME SOMEONE IMPROVES A PROPERTY ON MAIN STREET, I'M A HAPPY MAN. PLEASE. YOU, YOU HAVEN'T, YOU HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANY OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. HAVE YOU, HAS ANY COMMENT BEEN RECEIVED BACK FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, MS. POTTER? NO. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMMENTS. NO. NO. OKAY. WE AN UPWARD NOW, MR. WARE TAKE US INTO THE BIG HEAVY DUTY. OKAY. UH, A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR THIS PROJECT. UH, SO YOU RECEIVED ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION THIS WEEK. UH, WE RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM THE OTHER AGENCIES, UH, LAST WEEK. UH, WE FORWARD THOSE COMMENTS, UH, TO THE APPLICANT. THEY ADDRESSED THOSE QUESTIONS AND WE PROVIDED THOSE TO YOU. UH, TODAY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT TO, UH, COMPOUND ALL THE INFORMATION. SO YOU HAD ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WITH THIS, WITH THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED, UH, FROM YOU FROM THE LAST WORK SESSION AND ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UH, FROM THE OTHER AGENCIES THAT PROVIDED US. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU RECEIVED. SO, UH, BASICALLY STAFF HAS TAKEN, UH, THE, THE APPLICATION AND ALL THE INFORMATION THEY GAVE, WHICH IS, UH, CLOSE TO 400 PAGES. WE TRIED TO CONVINCE THAT DOWN. UH, WE DO RECOMMEND THAT YOU READ THAT PART OF THE APPLICATION. SOME OF 'EM ARE CHARTS AND GRAPHS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. SO WE TRY TO TAKE THAT APPLICATION, CONDENSE IT DOWN, AND HIT THE HIGH POINTS. WITH THIS, UH, WE, I, WE TRIED NOT TO LEAVE ANYTHING OUT, BUT, UH, IT'S A GOOD BIT OF READING FOR THIS. SO THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATION FOR 1321 HAPPY CREEK ROAD. PERMIT NUMBER 24 0 0 2 50. IT'S A REQUEST FOR AMENDMENT OF THE ZONING MAP OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL TO RECLASSIFY. 1321 HAPPY CREEK ROAD, IDENTIFIED AS 20 A TWO 12 DASH FOUR A. CURRENTLY ZONED RS SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO R ONE. UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 1200 FEET WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF LEACH RUN PARKWAY AND HAPPY CREEK ROAD. YOU WILL RECEIVE A STAFF REPORT, THE REZONING APPLICATION, REZONING JUSTIFICATION AND APPROPRIATE EXHIBITS, PROPER STATEMENTS, THE CONCEPTIONAL LAYOUT PLAN, AND OTHER SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION. SO THERE'S THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY NOW ZONED RS, THE ADJACENT SUBDIVISIONS, THE ODIN STREET PROPERTY HERE IN HAPPY CREEK. THOSE ARE CURRENTLY ZONED R ONE. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO THAT TO BE REZONED FROM RS TO R ONE, UH, THERE'S OUR FUTURE LAND MAP USE MAP, UH, FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, SHOWING THERE. SO INTERESTING FOR TOWN CODE, UH, TO KEEP IN MIND, TOWN CODE 1 75 3 DENSITY IS THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS PERMITTED ON ONE ACRE OF LAND AS SPECIFIED. AND THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT USED ORIGINALLY TO COMPILE THE BY RIGHT NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS AND THEIR CALCULATION. THE, UH, FOR CONTINUING FROM, FROM THE RS TO THE R ONE OF THE POTENTIAL NEW, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT COULD BE BUILT THERE. SO THE RS CURRENTLY REQUIRES A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF A HALF AN ACRE. THE R ONE REQUIRES MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO BE 10,000 SQUARE FEET. [00:15:01] IF THE PROPERTY HAS PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER, WHICH THIS PROPERTY DOES, WATER AND SEWER IS ALREADY AVAILABLE ON THE SITE. UH, THERE'S THE, UH, SNAPSHOT VIEW OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH, AGAIN, THE PROPERTY HERE, ZONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S WHAT THE, UH, TOWN COUNCIL ADOPTED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE VISION FOR THIS PROPERTY, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR THIS AREA, UH, LEACH RUN TO BE SINGLE FAMILY MEDIUM DENSITY, WHICH IS ONE OR MORE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH AN OVERALL DENSITY OF MORE THAN THREE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, WITH A MAXIMUM OF SIX. THAT'S PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT INCLUDES SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND ATTACHED STRUCTURES. UH, PART OF THE ACTION STRATEGIES FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THAT SECTION IS TO REQUIRE FUTURE SUBDIVISION DESIGN THAT CONNECTS LOCAL STREETS WITH EXISTING SUBDIVISION STREETS TO CREATE A MO A MORE COHESIVE ROAD NETWORK. ALSO, PART OF THE STRATEGY FOR THAT AREA IS TO ENSURE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IS INCLUSIVE OF PEDESTRIAN AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, SUCH AS PLAY AREAS OR OTHER AMENITIES. AS YOU CAN SEE, AS THIS PROJECT, UH, COMES BEFORE YOU, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS REACHED THESE STRATEGIES WITH THIS APPLICATION. SO THERE'S THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF DENSITY AND PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THAT THREE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THAT'S WHAT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR. UH, WE DID GET REVIEW FROM THE WARREN COUNTY, UH, PLANNING STAFF BASED ON THE REVIEW OF THEIR APPLICATION. IT APPEARS TO COMPLY WITH THE WARREN COUNTY 2013 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION 11 FOR URBAN DEVELOPMENT AREA, WHICH THEY REFERRED TO AS UDA. THEIR DEFINITION FOR UDA IS AN AREA DESIGNATED BY THE LOCALITY THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT DUE TO ITS PROXIMITY TO TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES. ALSO, IF YOU SEE THERE, THE UDA IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AT A MINIMUM DENSITY OF AT LEAST FOUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE PER ACRE. THAT'S FOR THE COUNTY. SO THIS AREA IS TARGETED BY THE COUNTY, AND WITH OUR, THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO INCREASE THE DENSITY, THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT IN THIS AREA TO INCREASE THE DENSITY PER ACRE. UH, THERE'S THE, UH, CONCEPT DRAWING OF THE LAYOUT OF THE LOTS AND THE ROAD SYSTEM. THESE WILL BE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AREAS. THOSE WILL HANDLE THE STORM WATER RUNOFF THAT'S GENERATED FROM THE SITE AND TREATED HERE. THAT'S THE ROAD NETWORK. AND LAST TIME, THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE TREE PLANTINGS. UH, THE TREE PLANTINGS, UH, REQUIREMENT IS PART OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT DRAWING WHEN THEY COME TO TOWN. STAFF THAT THEY, THEY CAME FORWARD WITH ANY SITE DEVELOPMENT DRAWING. THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN. THE LANDSCAPING, UH, PART OF OUR ORDINANCE DICTATES HOW MANY STREET TREES SHALL BE PLANTED ALONG THE ROAD AND WHATEVER. THIS IS ZONED A PERCENTAGE OF THESE, THIS AREA HAS TO BE PLANTED IN TREES, OR THEY CAN OFFSET THAT REQUIREMENT BY EXISTING TREES THAT MEET THE LANDSCAPING PLAN REQUIREMENTS. CERTAIN SPECIES OF TREES WOULD QUALIFY TO OFFSET REQUIRED PLANTINGS. SO THAT'LL ALL COME WITH THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS, UH, PROJECT. THAT'S JUST A VISUAL OF THE LAYOUT. UH, THE BIRD'S EYE VIEW, IF YOU WOULD. THIS IS ODIN STREET HERE WHERE WE ARE CONNECTING TO THE EXISTING STREET AS STATED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THEY HAVE A FUTURE CONNECTION HERE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP LAST TIME, PROPER PLANNING TO CONNECT, LEAVE THIS LOT VACANT FOR A FUTURE ROAD EXTENSION IF NECESSARY. AND THEY ARE PUTTING AN ENTRANCE RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT ONLY HERE ON HAPPY CREEK ROAD. SO TRAFFIC CAN TURN RIGHT TO COME IN AND RIGHT TO EXIT. NO LEFT HAND TURNS. UH, THERE'S ANOTHER DRAWING THAT'S A REVISED PAGE. THEY ARE, UH, ING. WE'LL GET TO THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER. A, UH, UH, FEATURE HERE FOR, UH, BASICALLY A SUBDIVISION SIGN OF [00:20:01] SOME TYPE OF MONUMENT HERE AT THIS AREA. THIS IS ALSO DENOTED THE OPEN SPACE AREAS CREATED THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. IF YOU REMEMBER, THAT'S PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO PROVIDE THOSE AMENITIES FOR THE SUBDIVISION. SO THAT ALIGNS WITH THE STRATEGY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE OPEN SPACE AND THE INTERCONNECTIVITY OF THE ROAD SYSTEM. UH, THAT'S THE, UH, GENERAL LAYOUT OF, UH, POTENTIAL HOUSES THAT WOULD BE, UH, BUILT ON THIS PROJECT. COUPLE DIFFERENT MODELS THERE THAT THEY ARE ANTICIPATING, CONSTRUCTING ON THOSE LOTS. UH, AS WE START WITH THIS DOCUMENT, SO YOU CAN BE AWARE, THE THE DOCUMENT IS VERY LENGTHY. IF YOU READ THROUGH IT, I'LL GIVE YOU SOME SUMMARIZATIONS OF THE PROJECT. UH, THEY DID INCLUDE A WETLAND DELINEATION REPORT. THE RESULTS OF THAT WERE, THERE WAS NO POTENTIAL WATERS, INCLUDING WETLANDS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED DURING DELINEATION. THERE WAS NO SUSPECT OR WET AREAS OBSERVED DURING THE SITE SITE EVALUATION THAT WAS CONDUCTED WITH THE WETLAND DELINEATION REPORT, THE PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT REPORT. ON THEIR CONCLUSIONS. THIS ASSESSMENT ASSESSMENT HAS REVEALED NO EVIDENCE OF RECOGNIZED ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS, CONTROLLED, RECOGNIZED ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS, OR THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT DATA GAPS IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPERTY. MEANING WHEN THEY DID THE RESEARCH FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT, THERE WASN'T A BIG GAP IN THE TIMEFRAME OF THE INFORMATION THAT THEY COULD GATHER. SO EVERYTHING CAME IN ALIGNMENT WITH REPORT, THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON THE PROJECT. IT IS THEIR OPINION THAT ADDITIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT OF THE PRO OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NOT WARRANTED AT THIS TIME. SO BASED ON THE PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT, THEY DID NOT FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING THAT WOULD HINDER IT ENVIRONMENTALLY. THEY ALSO DID A FINANCIAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. NOW, IF I'M GOING TOO FAST, JUST, OR IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, JUST STOP ME. OKAY. SO THEY DID A, A FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS ALSO ON THIS PROJECT, AND THAT'S PART OF YOUR DOCUMENTATION WITH ALL THE NUMBERS THEY PUT FORTH. UH, WE SUGGEST YOU DO READ THROUGH THAT, BUT I WILL GIVE YOU THE CONCLUSION OF THAT. THE ONSITE BENEFITS ARE PROJECTED TO SHOW A SURPLUS OF $239,780, WHERE OFFSITE BENEFITS ARE EXPECTED, A TOTAL A HUNDRED SIXTY SEVEN, EIGHT HUNDRED FORTY. THESE FIGURES INDICATE AN ANNUAL FISCAL SURPLUS OF $407,620 FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. ONCE THE NEW HOMES ARE BUILT AND OCCUPIED, THIS EQUATES TO AN AVERAGE ANNUAL ANNUAL NET BENEFIT OF APPROXIMATELY $3,920 PER HOME. THAT'S BASED ON THEIR FINANCIAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. SO NOW, UH, BEFORE WE GET INTO PROPERS, THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, SO FAR. I JUST WANNA SEE IF I PASS THE TEST SO THEY CAN PUT 82 HOMES UP TOMORROW WITHOUT ANYBODY'S APPROVAL. WELL, WE WILL, WE WILL GET INTO THAT. THERE'S A LITTLE, UH, BASED ON THE, UH, OUR DENSITY BY, BASED ON THE, OUR TOWN CODE ON DEFINITION OF DENSITY. THAT IS HOW THE NUMBER WAS GENERATED. GOTCHA. HOWEVER, UH, THE COUNTY HAD SOME QUESTIONS, HOW THE NUMBER WAS GENERATED BY BRIGHT. OKAY. UH, PART OF YOUR PACKAGE ON THERE, THE APPLICANT WENT BACK AND TOOK IN CONSIDERATION OF THE ROAD SYSTEM AND THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AREA AND HAS REDUCED THAT NUMBER TO, UH, 62, I BELIEVE. 61. 61. SO NOW BY RIGHT, UH, BASED ON THE CALCULATION OF TAKING THE ROAD SYSTEMS, THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AREAS OUT OF IT, OUT OF THAT, BECAUSE YOU HAD THE TOTAL OF THE 40, UH, ONE ACRES TAKING THAT OUT, REALISTICALLY, BASED ON THEIR CALCULATIONS, NOW IT'S 61 HOMES BY WRIGHT. OKAY. AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR 1 0 4, THEY'RE ASKING FOR 1 0 4 BY WRIGHT 61. OKAY. SO IF THEY JUST DO THE BY RIGHT THING, THEN THAT TAKES AWAY ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY HAD OFFERED. RIGHT. AND WE'LL GET TO THAT. RIGHT. SO THEY CAN PUT, UH, BASED ON THEIR CALCULATIONS [00:25:01] WITH THE REEVALUATION OF THE SITE AND THE LAYOUT, 61 HOMES ON THERE BY RIGHT. OKAY. GOTCHA. UH, YOU HAD MENTIONED WITH THE OPEN SPACE HERE THAT OF COURSE IT'S ALL GOING, I FEEL MOSTLY ON THE WESTERN AND SOUTHERN END. IN THIS IS THE, IN THE PACKET IT MENTIONED 17%. IS THAT INCLUDING WHAT'S GONNA BE UP FRONTING, UH, HOPPY CREEK ROAD? YES. ALL THAT, THIS AREA IN THE GREEN, ALL, ALL THIS AREA THAT'S OUTLINED IN GREEN IS OPEN SPACE. OKAY. SO THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LOT OF THE LAND, UH, THE FLOW OF THE STORMWATER RUNOFF FLOWS THAT WAY. SO DOWNHILL. SO THEY WILL INSTALL, UH, TWO STORMWATER MANAGEMENTS OF FACILITIES. NOW, THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND, UH, WHEN THEY DID THE DENSITY, UH, YOU ELIMINATE THE ROADS BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE GONNA BE BIGGER. SO YOU DON'T NEED AS MANY ROADS, OBVIOUSLY. AND THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND THE OPEN SPACE WOULD SHRINK, UH, ESSENTIALLY, I DON'T WANNA GET TOO FAR INTO WEEDS FOR YOU, BUT THE MORE LOTS YOU HAVE HERE, RIGHT. AND THE MORE ROADS YOU HAVE, YOU CREATE A GREATER PART OF STORM WATER MANAGEMENT RUNOFF, WATER QUANTITY AND QUALITY RUNS OFF QUICKER. YOU HAVE MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA. RIGHT. SO YOU NEED A BIGGER AREA TO TREAT THE WATER RUNOFF FOR QUALITY AND QUANTITY. SO IF YOU PUT LESSER IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA, THESE AREA WOULD GO SMALLER. SO THEY TOOK THAT INTO CALCULATIONS WITH THE ROADS, AND THAT'S HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE 61 POTENTIAL. LOTS BY, RIGHT. OKAY. SORRY, GO AHEAD. DID THEY, UM, ELECT TO, YOU SAID THAT THE OPEN SPACE CAN BE OFFSET BY TREE PRESERVATION. WAS, IS THAT A PART OF ANY OF THAT 17% OR OUTSIDE OF THAT? OR IS THERE, OR IS ALL OF IT BEING WELL, THE TREE PRESERVATION AREA WILL BE, IF WHEN ANY SITE COMES INTO DEVELOPMENT STAGES FOR THE TOWN, BASED ON THE ZONING, EACH ZONING HAS A PERCENTAGE OF TREE COVER THEY HAVE TO HAVE. SO OUR HORTICULTURAL DEPARTMENT WILL LOOK AT THESE PLANS, THE AMOUNT OF DISTURBED AREA, THEN THEY HAVE TO PLANT NEW TREES TO OFFSET THAT. NOW, THIS OPEN SPACE AREA, THEY WOULD SAVE TREES, AND THOSE TREES, SPECIES AND THE SIZE ARE WITHIN THE TOWN'S REQUIREMENTS. THEY COULD USE THAT TO OFFSET THE REQUIRED PLANTINGS. I SEE. SO IT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED YET, UM, IN, IN SPECIFICS AT ALL. NO, THAT, JUST A GENERAL LAYOUT OF IT. SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT, UH, PART OF THE PROCESS. UNDERSTOOD. THIS IS JUST FOR THE REZONING. SO JUST, UH, THAT TOPIC WAS BROUGHT UP LAST TIME ABOUT THE TREE PLANTINGS AND EVERYTHING, JUST SO THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE REZONING THAT AFTER. YEAH. RIGHT. UM, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT WITH THE TREE PLANNINGS, IF IT'S R ONE OR RS, DOESN'T MATTER. ANY SITE DEVELOPMENT DRAWINGS? SURE. NO, NOT DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. YEAH. WONDERING IF THE WHOLE THING IS GONNA BE CUT DOWN. THAT'S ALL. BUT OKAY. UM, IT WOULD BE PROBABLY ADVANTAGEOUS FOR THEM TO SAVE TREES. UH, OF COURSE, THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT DRAWING TO SAVE TREES. THOSE TREES, IF, IF THEY MEET THE SPECIES AND THE SIZE REQUIREMENTS, THOSE WOULD OFFSET THE PLANTING REQUIREMENTS. HOW MANY HOUSES ARE IN THAT WAS IT? WHICH, WHICH, WHICH, THAT, THAT IS, THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS THE NEW, THAT IS THAT THE 104 HOMES, THAT'S 104 HOUSES. RIGHT. THAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING TO REZONE THAT THEY BELIEVE THEY COULD PUT IN THERE. THAT'D BE VERY HARD TO DO AND LEAVE EXISTING TREE OF STAND IN ORDER TO DO THAT MUCH CONSTRUCTION. BUT MY QUESTION IS, UM, COULD WE DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE FISCAL IMPACT? HOW IS THAT NUMBER DERIVED? THIS IS PAGE NINE OF THE, OF THE ATTACHMENT. HOW IS THAT NUMBER DERIVED? WHAT GOES INTO MAKING THAT? WELL, IF YOU WANNA SAVE THAT QUESTION, THE, UH, WE DID ASK THE APPLICANT AND THE REPRESENTATIVES HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, UH, PERTAINING TO THAT. SO IF YOU WANT TO WAIT TO A CERTAIN POINT FOR THESE QUESTIONS, I, UH, SO WE CAN KIND OF ADDRESS THOSE, UH, AFTER THE PRESENTATION. I MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE AS WE GO. UH, SO WE DON'T REPEATEDLY HAVE INTERRUPTIONS. THAT'D BE MY RECOMMENDATION, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH THE, OKAY. OKAY. SO THERE'S THE LAYOUT OF THE HOUSES. SO, UH, TO KEEP IN MIND, WHY ARE YOU HERE? WELL, THE CODE OF VIRGINIA 15 2 23 0 4 REQUIRES THIS FOR REZONING. SO THIS REZONING HERE, IF IT IS BEYOND WHAT IT MAY BE PERMITTED BY, RIGHT [00:30:01] THEN WE HAVE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A REZONING BY STATE CODE. SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE. THEY'RE ASKING BECAUSE THEY'RE INCREASING THE NUMBER. SO THAT REQUIRES A REZONING. UH, ALSO PART OF THE PROPERTIES, UH, KEEP IN MIND, UNDER THIS SECTION OF STATE CODE PROFFERS, THE OWNER AND APPLICANT DEEMED REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE WHAT THE OWNER AND THE APPLICANT DEEMED REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE, THEY CAN PROPER ONLY THE OWNER AND THE APPLICANT DID THEY DEEM REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE FOR EACH PROJECT. AND THAT IS PART OF THE ANALYSIS ON THAT, IF YOU READ THAT, THAT THEY DESIGNATED THESE AREAS THAT THE OWNER AND THE APPLICANT DEEMED REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PROJECT. SO WE, UH, WE'LL DWELL INTO THESE PROFFERS, ARE YOU READY TO GO INTO THE PROFFERS PART? OKAY. SO WE GO FROM 61 HOMES BY WRIGHT WITH THE NEW CALCULATIONS. THEY'RE ASKING FOR REZONING, AND POTENTIALLY THEY BELIEVE THEY COULD GET A MAXIMUM OF 104. UH, SO WE'RE DOING THIS REZONING. THEY'RE ASKING FOR THIS PROPERTY TO BE REZONED. SO PART OF THAT IS A SITE DEVELOPMENT. UH, THIS WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. SO THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, THE PROPERTY SHALL BE SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER, WHICH WILL BE INSTALLED BY THE OWNER AND DEDICATED TO THE TOWN. TYPICALLY, THIS IS NORMAL. THE OWNER WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE WATER AND SEWER. SO THEY'RE TOTALLY, UH, WILL, UH, TOTAL COST IS ON THEM FOR ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF WATER AND SEWER. UH, THE OWNERS SHALL INSTALL AN APPROPRIATE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES ON THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE STORM WATER RETENTION POND. THE POND SHALL BE LOCATED IN THE OPEN SPACE, WHICH SHALL BE CONVEYED TO THE FUTURE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OF THE SUBDIVISION. THEN THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE POND. THE OWNER SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITIES. THE TOWN DOES NOT WANT ANY PART OF THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS POND. OKAY. UH, DEQ REQUIRES INSPECTIONS ON STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES. THOSE HAVE TO, TO BE SUBMITTED TO DEQ FOR INSPECTIONS. ANYTHING WRONG WITH STORM WATER MANAGE FACILITIES, WHO'S EVER IN CHARGE OF IT, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND ANY CARE TO THAT. SO THAT IS GONNA RELY ON THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, NOT THE TOWN. UH, A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY SHALL BE RESERVED AS OPEN SPACE THAT WAS SHOWN ON EXHIBIT A. UH, SUCH OPEN SPACE SHALL BE CONVEYED AND MAINTAINED BY THE FUTURE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. SO THE TOWN WILL HAVE NO PART ON THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT. ALSO, THE OWNER MAY INSTALL AN ENTRANCE FEATURE ALONG ODIN STREET, CONSISTING, CONSISTING OF AN ENTRY. MONUMENT SIGN AND LANDSCAPING WERE DEPICTED ON EXHIBIT A THAT WAS ON THE ODIN STREET CONNECTION. UH, THEY ANTICIPATE THIS COST WILL BE AROUND $40,000. OKAY. STILL MAINTAINED BY THE HOA TOWN WILL HAVE NO PART ON THAT. ON THE MAINTENANCE, WILL IT BE AN ENTRANCE FEATURE ON HAPPY CREEK? ALSO DEN STREET ONLY. ONLY DEN STREET. OKAY. SO THEY WILL, UH, OF COURSE THAT'LL REQUIRE A SIGN PERMIT AND EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE, UH, TOWN CODE FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THEY'RE JUST ANTICIPATING THAT THE SIGN AND THEY MAY INSTALL IT, UH, COSTS, UH, APPROXIMATELY $40,000 THERE ON THE OPEN STREET. UH, THEY ALSO, THE OWNER SHALL INSTALL A TOT LOT CONSISTING OF MINIMUM PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT BENCHES WITHIN THE OPEN SPACE OUTLINED IN PARAGRAPH TWO. UH, IT GIVES A STIPULATION WHEN THAT WILL BE PUT IN PRIOR OR TEMPORARY, OR WHETHER TEMPORARY OR FINAL, THE 75TH, UH, CO FOR THE HOUSES ONCE INSTALLED, THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT SHALL BE MAINTAINED AGAIN, BUT HOA ESTIMATED COST $60,000. SO THEY'RE ING AND CONTRIBUTING THAT TO THE SUBDIVISION ALSO. UH, THEY WILL INSTALL, THE OWNER WILL INSTALL OR SHALL INSTALL A BOARD ON BOARD FENCE A, UH, ALONG THE COMMON PROPERTY BOUNDARY OF THE RESIDENTIAL, LOTS OF ODIN RIDGE AND HAPPY CREEK KNOLLS. AND WE HAVE A DETAIL OF THAT. THEY ESTIMATED THE COST OF CON, [00:35:01] UH, THE BOARD ON BOARD FENCE $90,000. THAT'LL OFFSET THE, UH, LOT OWNERS FROM BUILDING FENCE. SO THEY WILL INSTALL A FENCE AROUND THAT, UH, SIDES OF THOSE PROPERTIES. ANTICIPATE COSTS $90,000. THAT'S WHAT THEIR PROPERTY AND INSTALL A FENCE THERE. TRANSPORTATION. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE SKIP ONE TO TRANSPORTATION AND THE, UH, FENCE. WE'LL GET BACK TO THE FENCE AREA. THE FENCE AREA WILL BE FROM HERE, THIS SUBDIVISION DOWN AND ALONG THIS SIDE, ALL THIS EXISTING SUBDIVISION, THERE WILL BE A BUILD A FENCE TO PROVIDE SCREENING THERE. UH, THE ENTRANCE FEATURE SIGN WILL GO HERE, AND THE TOP LOTS WILL BE IN EITHER OR THE OPEN SPACE AREAS. AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT FENCE IN PERPETUITY IS ON THE HOA. YES. IF YOU READ THROUGH YOUR DOCUMENT, NOT ON THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER. YES. SO IF YOU READ THROUGH THAT, YES. UH, TRANSPORTATION, UH, A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE TRANSPORTATION, THE ROADS WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY SHALL BE PUBLIC CONSTRUCTED. THE TOWN AND BDOS STANDARDS, UH, AS APPROPRIATE, DEDICATED TO THE TOWN AND MAINTAINED BY THE TOWN, THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST AND CONSTRUCTION. NOW, ONCE THAT'S DEDICATED, UH, TO THE TOWN, THEN APPROVED BY VDOT, THE TOWN WOULD RECEIVE MAINTENANCE FUNDS FOR THE ROAD THAT GOES IN OUR MAINTENANCE FUNDS BUDGET FOR PLOWING, STREET MAINTENANCE, UH, PAVING WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE. SO WE WOULD GET THE, UH, THE ROADS WOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWN. UH, WE WOULD GET THAT APPROVED FROM BO AND WE WOULD RECEIVE, UH, MAINTENANCE FUNDS FOR THAT PROJECT. FOR THE ROADS ON THERE. UH, THE OWNER SHALL DEDICATE A RIGHT OF WAY ALONG HAPPY CREEK ROAD FOR THE PROJECT'S ENTRANCE IMPROVEMENTS. THEY ALL SHALL DEDICATE THE SEA, UH, SIMPLE RIGHT OF WAY AND EASEMENTS ALONG HAPPY CREEK, INCLUDING THE LIMITS OF EXISTING PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT OF WAY, ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY, TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS, PERMANENT UTILITY AND SITE DISTANCE EASEMENTS REQUIRED FOR THE FUTURE WINDING OF HAPPY CREEK ROAD. UH, WE GO BACK TO THE DRAWING. THIS SECTION HERE OUTLINED IN RED. SO THIS AREA OF HAPPY CREEK ROAD IS DESIGNATED FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FUTURE FOR WIDENING STREET IMPROVEMENTS, SIDEWALK, CURB, AND GUTTER. SO WHAT THEY ARE OFFERING, THEY WILL GIVE AS OUR PROPER A PORTION OF THAT FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS DEEMED NECESSARY TO FULFILL THE WIDENING AND, UH, CONNECTION OF THE ROAD SYSTEM THERE. OKAY. SO THE LAND TO WIDEN HAPPY CREEK, IF IT EVER MAKES IT TO THE TOP OF THE CIP, ANY EASEMENT CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS NEEDED. YES. THAT'S PART OF THE PROPER, THEY ARE PRING. UH, THERE'S NO SET. NOW, KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS NOT LIKE SAYING WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU 25 FEET, THEY'RE PROPER PROPHE AND WHAT IS, WHAT IS NEEDED? SO IF YOU, UH, IF YOU LOOK ON THE ROAD SYSTEM, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE A VARIABLE WIDTH RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHT? RIGHT. DEPENDING ON THE SLOPE WHERE THEY GOTTA CUT THE BANK BACK. SO THAT'LL PROBABLY BE A VARIABLE WIDTH RIGHT OF WAY. SO THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T HAVE A STANDARD. WE'RE GONNA DEDICATE 25, 35 OR 50 FEET. SO WHEN THESE ENGINEERING PLANS COME OUT TO REALIGN THIS ROAD TO CONNECT THAT, UH, DIFFERENT CURB SYSTEM IN THERE, AND THEY, UH, YOU MAY BE REQUIRED ON BOTH SIDES, BUT FOR THIS PROJECT, THEY'RE SETTING THE SIDE OR THEY'RE PROFFERING THAT NEEDED FOR THIS ROAD IMPROVEMENT. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY UNDERSTAND? THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THEY'RE DEDICATED 25 FEET. YEAH. THEY'RE DOING THE SIM, UH, THE PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT OF WAY PLUS ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY NEEDED. SO THAT RIGHT OF WAY THAT THEY'RE OFFERING MM-HMM. WOULD BE TO MAKE THAT RIGHT OUT AND WRITE IN FOR WHATEVER WOULD DEEM FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. SO THERE'D BE A REALIGNMENT OF HAPPY CREEK ROAD. OKAY. UH, FOR THE CONNECTION DOWN HERE WHERE THE CURB AND GUTTER ON THE SIDEWALK IN RIGHT. THIS ENTRANCE HERE WOULD PROBABLY RECONFIGURE, THEY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO PUT A TURN LANE OR SOMETHING IN SO IT WOULDN'T JUST BE RIGHT IN. YEAH. IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT VDOT. WHAT VDOT WOULD COME IN HERE AND ANALYZE THIS AND THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WHAT WE WOULD BE NEEDED THERE. OKAY. SO THAT MAY OR MAY NOT REMAIN. [00:40:02] SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN APPLICATION IN WITH VDOT. THERE'S SMART SCALE APPLICATION. AND THE GOAL FOR SOME TIME HAS BEEN TO STRAIGHTEN OUT THAT S CURVE AND BEING DANGEROUS. YES. IT'S NOT SAFE THERE. UM, THEY'RE OFFERING ALLOW THE TOWN TO TAKE WHATEVER LAND WE NEED WHEN THAT ENGINEERING GETS DONE. AND WHEN THAT PROJECT COMES TO APPLY FOR FUNDING ALREADY, WE'RE JUST GOING THROUGH THOSE STEPS. THE APPLICATION FOR THE APPLICATION FOR, FOR THE SMART SCALE, HOW THAT WORKS IN IS WE ARE ADDING PRICE TO THE, WHICH MAKES OUR SCORE GO HIGHER RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT FOR, YOU KNOW, AND IT JUST, UH, JUST KEEP GETTING KICKED BACK. RIGHT? THIS ONE SCORE, IS THAT A PART OF THE 17% GREEN AREA? WELL, OR WILL THAT TAKE AWAY FROM THAT? SO THAT MAY TAKE AWAY YES. BECAUSE PART OF THAT, WITHIN THAT NOW, RIGHT. SO IT MAY REMOVE SOME OF THE, THE OBVIOUSLY YEAH. WHEN THEY CUT BACK HERE, UH, TO TAKE PART OF THIS RIGHT. UH, ROAD FOR RIGHT ROAD WIDENING, SOME OF THIS OPEN SPACE WILL BE ELIMINATED. 'CAUSE THEY'RE GIVING UP A PORTION OF THEIR PROPERTY. RIGHT. SO THEN PERCENT OF FREE SPACE. RIGHT. BUT OKAY. O OPEN SPACE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR IT'S, THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. OKAY. PERCENTAGE OF OPEN SPACE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR SOMETHING NO, NO, THAT RIGHT. RIGHT. SO WE, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE ON, ON THOSE NUMBERS ON THAT. OKAY. WHEN, WHEN THE DAY HAPPILY COMES. BUT HAVE THE CREEK GETS WIDENED AND APPROVED AND STRAIGHTENED AT THAT POINT, WILL THE HOA OWN THAT PROPERTY? NO. SO, SO WHATEVER, WHATEVER PORTION OF THIS IS NEEDED, OKAY. WHAT THEIR PROPERTY AND WHATEVER IS NEEDED FOR THIS ROAD IMPROVEMENT. OKAY. THEY ARE OFFERING, YES, THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWN OR TO VDOT TO DO THIS ROAD IMPROVEMENT. OKAY. SO THAT PIECE OF RIGHT. THEN, THEN THIS RIGHT OF WAY LINE WILL SHIFT DOWN HERE A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT? IT'LL BE A, MORE THAN LIKELY A VARIABLE WIDTH RIGHT OF WAY WON'T BE 50 FOOT OR 60 FOOT RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE OF THE SLOPES ON THERE. BUT IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN FOR 20 YEARS, MEANWHILE, THE, THE PROPER IS THERE. THE PROPER PROPER IS THERE. BUT THE HOA WILL MEANWHILE BE OWNING THAT OPEN SPACE. YES. SO HOA WILL HAVE TO CONSENT TO THAT, GIVING THEM PLANS THAT ALREADY THEY'RE CONSENTING WITH THESE PROPERTIES CAN MAINTAIN IT. IT'S NOT THE TOWN'S PROBLEM LESS THAN UNTIL WE ACTUALLY DO THE ENGINEERING AND, AND BUILD IT. OKAY. SO THE HOA INHERITS THE EASEMENT AND THEY CAN'T, THEY HOLD IT. THEY HOLD IT. OKAY. OKAY. SO THEY CAN'T MESS IT UP. OKAY. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT THE PROPER IS. THE PROPER WILL RUN WITH THE LAND, BUT EVEN THAT DEDICATION'S NOT GONNA IMPACT THE OPEN SPACE ENOUGH. BE MEANINGFUL, RIGHT? IT, I WASN'T THINK MEANINGFUL, NO. OKAY. OKAY. SO, UH, TRANSPORTATION. SO, UH, NOW WE GO, THERE'S THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT'S IN SECTION FOUR. THE, UH, THE OWNER SHALL CREATE AN HOA TO MAINTAIN THE OPEN SPACE IN AREAS OF THE PROPERTY. UH, ENTRANCE FEATURES, PLAYGROUND FENCE AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES. SO THE TOWN WOULD NOT BE, UH, REQUIRED TO DO ANY MAINTENANCE, UH, ON THAT. THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, THE PLAYGROUND, EVERYTHING ELSE. SO NOW ON THE TR UH, TO GET WITH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UH, THEY DID THAT. SO, UH, NOT TO BORE YOU WITH NUMBERS, THEY DID, UH, UH, DID THE STUDY. THEY DID THAT DURING PEAK HOURS ON A TUESDAY, MAY, MARCH THE FIFTH. UH, THEY DID THAT ON ANALYSIS FOR THE 2028 FUTURE CONDITIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THEY DID A, A SIGNAL LINE STUDY INTERSECTION, UH, AND THEIR CONCLUSION WAS, IS EXPECTED TO OPERATE AT AN OVERALL SUCCESSFUL LEVEL OF SERVICE DURING AM AND PM PEAK HOURS. ALL APPROACHES OF THE SUNNY INTERSECTION ARE EXPECTED TO OPERATE AT A LEVEL DURING THE AM PM IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THE WEEKLY MORNING AM AND WEEKDAY PM PEAK HOURS. THE, THE TRAFFIC VOLUME OR COUNTS ATTORNEY MOVEMENT COUNTS WERE COLLECTED ON THAT DATE. THEY WERE COLLECTED DURING THAT TIME, SIX TO NINE AND THREE 30 TO SIX 30. SO THEY HAD THAT DURING THE WEEK, NOT ON A WEEKEND OR A FRIDAY, OR A MONDAY ON A TUESDAY. UH, BASED ON THE CAPACITY AND THE RESULTS, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING [00:45:01] TRANSPORTATION AND ROAD NETWORK. UH, THIS IS ALSO REVIEWED BY VDOT. THEIR FINDINGS WERE, IN GENERAL, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THEY CONDUCTED AND PROVIDED WAS ACCEPTABLE. AND WE CONCUR WITH CAPACITY AND ANALYSIS RESULTS. SO VDOT REVIEWED THIS. THEY SAID, YES, THIS IS FOUND ACCEPTABLE, AND WE C WE CONCUR WITH THEIR FINDINGS. AND TO CLARIFY, VDOT, DID THOSE PROJECTIONS BASED UPON THE APPLICANT, DID THE PROJECTIONS AND VDOT REVIEWED THOSE BASED UPON 104 HOUSES, OR BASED UPON 61 HOUSES? YEP. THE 104 HUNDRED FOUR. OKAY. AND BASED ON THE, UH, 2028 FUTURE CONDITIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT, OKAY, THAT'S AN ANALYSIS THAT THEY RAN, UH, VDOT AND THEIR CONCLUSION, IF THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE FUTURE TOWN PROJECT IS ADDRESSED, THAT'S THE ONE ON HAPPY CREEK ROAD CREEK. WE FEEL THAT THIS SUBDIVISION WILL HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE LOCAL ROADWAY NETWORK. THAT'S VDO T'S FINDINGS. DID VDO MAKE ANY, UM, IF THE RIGHT OF WAY IS NOT ADDRESSED, DID THEY MAKE ANY CONCLUSIONS OR COMMENTS? THAT'S THE ONE BACK WHERE THE OTHER STATEMENT THEY HAVE. SO THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS THE STATEMENT DOWN HERE. EVERYTHING IS FOUND ACCEPTABLE. EVERYTHING WITH THE TRAFFIC LIGHT ON LEACH RUN PARKWAY WILL WORK AS ACCEPTABLE LEVEL. SO ALL THE INTERSECTIONS WILL WORK. NOTHING ELSE IS WARRANTED. UH, VDOT MADE THE CONCLUSION. THAT'S IN YOUR PROJECT, IN YOUR A YOU CAN READ THIS. UH, WE JUST PULLED THAT OUT OF THERE. THEY SAID MINIMAL IMPACT. YES. CHOA. MM-HMM. , UM, THE TOWN RULE WILL STILL BE, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR SNOW REMOVAL, CORRECT? YEAH. SO ROADS THAT ARE BUILT IN A SUBDIVISION BUILT THE TOWN AND BE NOT STANDARDS. THE INSPECTION PROCESS GOES FOR ALL STREETS IN A SUBDIVISION. IF THOSE PASS INSPECTIONS, THE, THE DEVELOPER DEDICATES THOSE TO THE TOWN. AND THE TOWN TOWN WILL APPLY FOR VDOT, UH, TO PUT THAT ROAD SYSTEM NETWORK IN OUR SYSTEM. AND WE RECEIVE MAINTENANCE FUNDS PERIODICALLY. UH, I THINK THOSE ARE DUE LIKE, UH, I THINK THE END OF JANUARY. THERE ARE CERTAIN TWO TIMES A YEAR, MAYBE YOU SUBMIT THOSE FOR D PDOT, THEY REVIEW IT AND SAY, YES, WE CAN ADD THIS INTO YOUR SYSTEM AND YOU RECEIVE MAINTENANCE FUNDS. SO THE MAINTENANCE FUND IS USED FOR PLOWING REPAVING, WHATEVER'S NEEDED ON ANY TOWN STREET THAT'S IN THE SYSTEM. UM, NOW WE GET INTO, SO THERE'S THE, UH, AREA OF THE PLAYGROUND OR THE DRAWING OF THE PLAYGROUND, IF YOU REMEMBER ON THAT. SO, UH, THEY DID PROVIDE THAT FOR US TO REVIEW. UH, THAT WAS THE PROPER, THAT THAT WOULD BE C UH, CREATED IN THE OPEN SPACE OR THE SUBDIVISION. COUPLE RENDERINGS THERE. THEY GAVE YOU A DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THAT. SO THEY JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE A RENDERING SO YOU CAN HAVE A VIEW WHAT THIS PROJECT OR THE PLAYGROUND WOULD LOOK LIKE. THERE'S THE FENCE, UH, THE $90,000 THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO PROPER TO CONSTRUCT THE FENCE ALONG THE BA UH, THE PROPERTY LINE THAT WE SHOWED EARLIER. UH, NOW WE GET INTO, UH, THE PROPERTIES AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY. SO IF YOU REMEMBER THE DENSITY, THE ODIN RIDGE DENSITY UNITS PER ACRE IS 2.68. HAPPY CREEK KNOLLS IS 2 82 WITH AN AVERAGE OF 2 77. THE PROPERTY WITH THE 104 HOMES WOULD CREATE A DENSITY OF 2.42 LESS THAN THESE TWO AND LESS THAN THE AVERAGE. YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR THIS AREA TO HAVE INCREASED DENSITY TO THREE. OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS FOR THREE. SO THIS IS BELOW THAT. WE'VE GONE FROM RS TO R ONE. SO THE DENSITY IS INCREASING PER ACRE BASED ON THE 104, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS THESE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE ADJOINS. NOW. THEY RE UH, PAINT INFORMATION FROM WARREN, FROM WARREN COUNTY PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION. THE LATEST INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED TO THEM TO DO THESE CALCULATIONS. SO THOSE ARE UP TO DATE INFORMATION. UH, SO THE COST OF A NEW SCHOOL, A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UH, AND THEY GAVE A TOTAL COST, UH, WITH THIS PROJECT, OR FOR A SCHOOL, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UH, $29,874,000. THAT'S [00:50:01] WHAT'S PROJECTED BY WARREN COUNTY, UH, COST PER STUDENT OF 49,790. THAT WAS INFORMATION SUPPLIED TO THE APPLICANT FOR WARREN COUNTY. THE LATEST INFORMATION, UH, NOW WITH THE RECALCULATION OF ABOUT THE DENSITY 61 BY, RIGHT. SO WE, THEY, THIS WAS THE FIRST SUBMISSION THAT THEY COULD GET 6 82 UNITS. THEY REEVALUATED IT, UH, BASED ON THE COMMENTS FROM THE COUNTY AND SAID, UH, WE TAKE OUT THE, UH, OPEN SPACE AND RIGHT OF WAY. UH, WE NOW ANTICIPATE, UH, REALISTICALLY WITH ALL THE DEDUCTIONS WE CAN GET 61 A, UH, 61 UNITS. OKAY? THEY DID THE INFORMATION BASED ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. SEVEN ADDITIONAL STUDENTS WILL BE ADDED TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM FROM THE ABOUT RIGHT OF 61 GOING UP TO 104. SO SEVEN ADDITIONAL STUDENTS WILL BE ADDED TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM BECAUSE BASED ON, FROM MY RIGHT TO THE NEW UNITS, THAT NUMBER IS GENERATED WITH ADDITIONAL STUDENTS. THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THE FIRST SUBMISSION, SECOND SUBMISSION WITH SEVEN STUDENTS. THE CHANGE FROM SEVEN, UH, ADDING THE DELTA THREE, UH, FROM THAT GIVES THE COST PROPER PER DWELLING UNIT. UH, FIRST SUBMISSION, IF YOU REMEMBER, CAME OUT AT $520,000. UH, THEY INCREASED THAT BY THE A HUNDRED FORTY NINE THREE HUNDRED SEVENTY, GIVEN THE TOTAL PROPER OF 6 69, 3 70. UH, SO HERE'S THE, UH, NUMBERS AGAIN, HOW THIS WORKS. UH, BASED ON THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, AGAIN, HOW THEY DO THESE PROPERS. UH, SO THE CASH PROPERS WILL BE 3,351 FOR, FOR SCHOOLS AND 3085 AND OTHER PROPERS, WHICH MAY BE USED FOR TRANSPORTATION AND OTHER NEEDS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE TOWN. THEY MULTIPLY THAT OUT WITH THE UNITS. SO THERE'S THE BOTTOM NUMBER, THE TOTAL PROPER THEY ARE WITH THIS PROJECT, THIS FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, THIS FOR THE TOWN. UH, NOW KEEP IN MIND WITH PROPERS BY RIGHT, WITH THE 61 HOMES BY RIGHT, THIS NUMBER IS REDUCED TO ZERO, OKAY? BY RIGHT ZERO. SO THEY'RE GIVING, UH, OFFERING OTHER THREE 20 WITHIN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM BASED ON THE SURPLUS STUDENTS ABOVE THE 61 IS THIS NUMBER WITH THAT. SO KEEP IN MIND THAT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, HAPPY CREEK ROAD BY RIGHT. THEY CAN PUT THE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT IN THERE. NOT ACCOUNTING FOR FUTURE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS OF HAPPY CREEK ROAD. THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY SOME WAY, FORM OR FASHION TO DO THE EXPANSION OF HAPPY CREEK ROAD AND REALIGNMENT. SO THEY'RE, SO THAT PART OF THE PROPER, THEY ARE PROFFERING THE RIGHT OF WAY NEEDED FOR HAPPY CREEK ROAD. IF THEY DID THIS BY RIGHT, THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR WITH THESE NUMBERS, WHY, WHY THEY'RE DERIVED AT AND WHAT THIS NUMBER COMES FROM. IF, IF YOU REVIEW YOUR PACKET, NOW, WE JUST DID THE SUMMARIZATION OF THIS AT THE HIGH POINTS, UH, THE BOTTOM LINE CONCLUSIONS THAT THEY MADE FROM THE OTHER AGENCIES. AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THESE OTHER NUMBERS ARE DERIVED IF YOU WENT TO THE PHYSICAL FISCAL, UH, FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. BUT THESE, THE INFORMATION ON THE STUDENTS AND THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WAS PROVIDED TO THEM BASED ON THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS AND BY RIGHT. AND WHAT THE SURPLUS WOULD BE. AND THEY HAVE TO OFFSET THAT, THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THEM TO COME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS. UH, SO THEY, THEY INCREASED THAT WITH THIS OTHER CATEGORY. BRING IT TO HERE WITH A TOTAL OF THIS. SO BY RIGHT THAT NUMBER, YOU KNOW, SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THIS NUMBER WOULD BE ZERO. AND BY RIGHT FOR HAPPY CREEK ROAD AND, UH, EXPANSION REALIGNMENT, WHATEVER'S NEEDED THERE FOR THAT ROAD IMPROVEMENT, THE TOWN, UH, WOULD HAVE TO ACQUIRE IN SOME FORM OR FASHION THAT RIGHT OF WAY TO DO THE ROAD ALIGNMENT EXPANSION IF NEEDED. WHENEVER. UH, AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL THE PRESENTATION I GOT TOGETHER FOR YOU. I TRIED TO TAKE THE 400, WE TRIED TO TAKE THE 400 PAGE DOCUMENT PLUS THE ADDITIONAL [00:55:01] INFORMATION YOU RECEIVED TODAY AND TRY TO CONDENSE THIS DOWN. UH, HIT THE HIGH POINTS OF IT, UH, TO TRY TO GET YOU, I KNOW WE HAVE TWO NEW MEMBERS, UH, FROM THE OTHER WORK SESSION TO TRY TO EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU. UH, I MEAN, YOU SHOULD READ THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS. MM-HMM. , UH, THERE'S A LOT OF CHARTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THERE, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WHERE THOSE WERE CONDUCTED AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, THE SIGNALS, THE TURNS, ALL THAT. BUT THEN THE, THOSE INFORMATION STILL SENT TO VDOT, VDOT FOUND THOSE CONCLUSIONS AND MADE THOSE FINDINGS THAT THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF HOW THE NUMBERS WERE GENERATED, UH, WITH THEIR CONCLUSIONS ON THE ROADS. UH, THE COUNTY SUPPLIED THE NUMBERS FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THE COST OF A NEW SCHOOL. SO THEY HAD, WOULD NEED TO PROPER THE EXTRA STUDENTS CREATED FROM THE 61 BY RIGHT TO THE 104, WHICH THEY DID, AND BASED ON THEIR CALCULATIONS. SO A LOT OF THIS IS JUST, IS BASED ON ANALYSIS AND CALCULATIONS WITH THIS PROJECT. UM, AND NOT ON MUCH HYPOTHETICAL, UH, THINGS WITH THAT, THAT YOU NEED TO CONSIDER. UM, DO YOU HAVE, I KNOW A LOT OF INFORMATION TO ABSORB IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. UH, I DON'T WANNA TRY TO, I'LL STAY HERE AS LONG AS YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST WANT TO TRY TO CONDENSE EVERYTHING DOWN, UH, FOR THE MAJORITY OF THINGS. 'CAUSE THOSE ARE BROKEN UP. THE PROFFERS ARE BROKEN UP IN YOUR, UH, APPLICATION. UH, THE STATISTICS IS THERE FOR YOU TO REVIEW IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. AND WE TOOK THE QUESTIONS FROM THE LAST WORK SESSION, SENT THAT BACK TO OUT THE OTHER AGENCIES THAT YOU HAD. AND THAT'S WHY THEY, UH, ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS WE HAD ON THE PROFFERS AND THE OTHER PART OF THE, UH, APPLICATION. THOSE WERE ANSWERED. AND THAT'S THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU RECEIVED TODAY. UH, WE FINALLY GOT THAT. WE GOT THAT YESTERDAY AFTER SOME, UH, EXCHANGING WITH THEM A COUPLE TIMES TO ADDRESS THAT AND WHAT IS NEEDED. SO ALL THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED, THAT'S ON THE LATEST PART. UH, YOU HAVE A RED LINE VERSION OF WHAT WAS ELIMINATED AND WHAT WAS CREATED, BUT YOU CAN REVIEW THAT. SO I'VE TRIED TO TAKE EACH OF THESE SECTIONS OF THE PROFFERS AND WHAT THEY SUBMITTED HERE RECENTLY. AND THEY SUBMITTED ALL THIS, THE FIRST SUBMISSION, SECOND, SECOND SUBMISSION. ALL THESE NUMBERS GENERATED FOR YOU TO REVIEW, UH, HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE NUMBERS. AND THIS INFORMATION WAS SUPPLIED FROM ONE COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO THEM TO FIGURE OUT THIS INFORMATION. IT WAS A VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT, UH, PROJECT AND APPLICATION. UH, TOWN STAFF HAS SPENT THE BETTER PART OF THE LAST MONTH REVIEWING THIS. SO, UH, THEY ANSWERED THE MAJORITY OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD. THEY ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS YOU HAD. SO IT'S PART OF THE REZONING AND THE REZONING ONLY. SO YOU FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IMPACT THIS POTENTIAL PROJECT WE'LL HAVE FOR THE COMMUNITY ON THE ROAD SYSTEM AND FINANCIALLY ON THE TOWN AND WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING. WE HAVE, UH, MR. MATTHEW, SO THIS IS BASED, THIS IS ALL FOR THE REZONING FROM RS OUR YES, THAT'S ALL IT IS. YES. YES. TO REZONE THE PROPERTY. OKAY. I MUST HAVE DEJA THAT THOUGHT. WE DISCUSSED THIS PREVIOUSLY. WE DID IT THE OTHER WORK SESSION, BUT SINCE WE HAD TWO NEW MEMBERS HERE AND THAT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING THE END OF THIS MONTH. SO WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THIS, WE DISCUSSED THIS IN MAY AT THE WORK SESSION. WE WERE, WE WERE GONNA DO TWO, THIS IS A BIG APPLICATION. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO DIGEST. SO WE WANTED TO BREAK IT UP INTO TWO WORK SESSIONS. SO YOU HAD ONE LAST MONTH. OKAY. WE DID AGREE. AND THEN THIS IS THE OTHER ONE. OKAY. THIS IS GOING TO PUBLIC HEARING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. SO, OKAY, THIS IS THE FINAL WORK SESSION. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WASN'T GOING CRAZY HERE. YOU'RE HEARING SOME OF THE INFORMATION YEAH. REPEATEDLY. AND, AND I MAYBE WHEN I TALKED TO THEM FOR PROFFERS ARE NEW. WE DIDN'T HEAR THOSE LAST TIME. PROFFERS HAVE CHANGED. SOME OF THE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED. YES, THEY HAVE CHANGED. YES. SO HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS UNDERSTOOD THE EVOLUTION OF THE APPLICATION. OKAY. SO YOU HAD THE FIRST SUBMISSION. YEAH. YOU HAD THAT SET OF PROFFERS. YEAH. THEN THEY REACTED TO THE COMMENTS FROM THE OTHER AGENCIES AND SUBMITTED A NEW SET OKAY. WITH OUR NEW, UH, MEMBERS ON THE SERVING, ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I, I, WE TOWN STAFF DIDN'T FEEL SURE THAT I WASN'T GOING. WE SHOULD BOMBARD THEM WITH READING THIS 400 PAGE DOCUMENT TO GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE AGREED TO FORWARD, RIGHT? SO WE BROKE IT UP IN TWO WORK SESSIONS. . ALRIGHT, SO QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FROM YOU. I MEAN, IT WAS PUT TOGETHER. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? UM, [01:00:01] I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE PRESENTATION. I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE ORGANIZATION OF IT. IT WAS MADE SENSE HOW IT WAS STRUCTURED. UM, I WILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT CERTAIN RED LINES IN THE, UM, THE ADJUSTED INFORMATION THAT CAME OUT TODAY, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS BEST DIRECTED TOWARDS YOU OR TOWARDS THE APPLICANT. WE'LL START, START OUT WITH JOHN. SO, UM, IN THE RESPONSE TO THE COMMENTS FROM MATT WENDLING, UM, THE, UH, THE CONCEPT OF THE HOMES NOT NECESSARILY PROVIDING A SOLUTION FOR THE HOUSING INVENTORY CRISIS FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES, UH, WAS ADDRESSED OR THE RESPONSE RATHER WAS BEING WILLING TO CONSIDER A HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, WITH A MULTIFAMILY PRODUCT. I WOULD JUST BE CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THEIR INITIAL THOUGHTS OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WOULD BE. WELL, THE R ONE MM-HMM. . SO THEY'RE GOING FROM RS TO R ONE, R ONE IN TOWN CODE ONLY ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY. RIGHT. I SEE. OKAY. SO THE R ONE ONLY ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY. SO WE, WITH THIS REZONING FROM THE R TO THE R ONE, ONLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES CAN BUILT THERE. TOWNHOUSES, DUPLEXES, ANY OTHER TYPE OF HOUSING IS NOT PERMITTED IN THE R ONE. RIGHT. SO THEN IF IT, IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS TO BE PURSUED INSTEAD OF THIS WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE TABLE, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO EFFECTIVELY START OVER AND LOOK AT A DIFFERENT ZONING ENTIRELY. THAT'S NOT, IT'D HAVE TO CONNECTED TO ANYTHING THAT'S IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. CORRECT. SO YOU WOULD D OR R TWO, IT WOULD BE AN R TWO OR IF YOU NEED, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER TYPE OF HOUSING, THE R TWO OR R THREE DOES ALLOW THAT. BUT THE AREAS AROUND THAT, THE WAY, UH, WE LOOKED AT THIS WHEN WE, UH, TALKED TO THE APPLICANT WITH THIS PROCESS, IF YOU GO BACK TO HERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE R ONE SURROUNDING THIS RS DOWN HERE, BUT R ONE. SO YOU'RE ASKING SOMETHING GO FROM AN R ONE, UH, FROM AN RS DOWN TO A, UH, AN R TWO WOULD MAKE A, HAVE A GREATER IMPACT. MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS READING SOMETHING PROPERLY IN THIS, IN THE INITIAL, THE ORIGINAL INFORMATION THAT THE FISCAL IMPACT REPORT, THERE WAS A COMMENT FROM, UH, THAT GROUP THAT WAS SAYING THAT, UM, THE AVERAGE, THE INCOME IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE HOUSING AS PROPOSED WITH THE BASE PRICES OF THESE HOMES, WHICH OF COURSE ARE NOT WHAT THEY WOULD FINALLY BE, WOULD NEED TO BE ON AVERAGE 191 TO 200,000 UH, DOLLARS, UH, PER HOUSEHOLD. IS THAT STILL ACCURATE? WELL, NUMBERS FOR HOUSING. MM-HMM, . OKAY. OH, I'M JUST MAKING SURE I WAS LIKE READING IT PROBABLY. I KNOW IT'S NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO, IT'S NOT. RIGHT. SO THE, THE PRICES FOR HOUSING THIS, THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT. THEY'RE JUST SHOWING YOU, UH, POTENTIALLY WHAT A HOME BUILDER COULD PUT IN THERE WITH THE R ONE. UH, SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE JUST, YOU MAYBE ASKED THEM. THOSE ARE JUST NUMBERS THAT THEY CAME UP WITH FOR THAT PROJECTED TYPE OF HOME. RIGHT. UH, THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT'S THE TYPE OF HOUSES THAT ARE GOING IN THERE. OF COURSE. SO THEY'RE JUST GIVING YOU A CONCEPT THAT'S THEIR, MAYBE THEIR VISION THEY'D LIKE. UH, BUT THEY WILL, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WOULD ANY LIKE THIS SITE, IT WOULD BE DEVELOPED, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE PUT IN AND MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE APPLICANT, ONCE THAT'S FINISHED, THEN THE, SOME OTHER COMPANY WOULD COME IN, UH, TO BUILD THE HOMES BY THE LOT TO CONSTRUCT A HOME. SO THOSE, THAT'S JUST A MODEL STYLE NOT SET IN STONE. OKAY. JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON, ON YOUR QUESTION, MAYBE FOR CLARIFICATION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING AS WELL. IF THE SUGGESTION OF INCLUDING, UH, HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING WERE TO BE FOLLOWED UP ON THEN THE R ONE, I MEAN IF IT WENT TO R TWO, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO BE TWO FAMILY HOMES. THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A TOWNHOUSE SUBDIVISION. IF IT, HOW, HOW DOES, I MEAN IF, IF THERE WAS ANY MOVEMENT IN THAT DIRECTION, WHAT WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE? ONE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION. BUT TO CHANGE THAT TO AN R TWO, THAT'S JUST SMALLER LOT SIZES AND THAT OPENS UP THE DOOR FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING. SO THE DUPLEXES, BUT, BUT BASED ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT, UH, WAS APPROVED, THIS AREA HERE, UH, [01:05:03] SHOULD REMAIN THE SAME BASED ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT THIS APPLICATION, NOT THIS APPLICATION ONLY. RIGHT? APPLICATION. SO YOU HAVE, RIGHT, SO YOU HAVE ZONING WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THE ZONING, YOU KNOW, PLANNING FOR, UH, FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WE DID FOR MONTHS ABOUT REDOING THESE AND WHEN TOWN COUNCIL APPROVED THIS, THAT WAS THE AREA THAT YOU DESIGNATED BASICALLY WITH THE, THE DEFINITION OF THAT, THAT THESE WOULD BE CONSISTENT DOWN THROUGH HERE. SO THE SUGGESTION TO ADD MULTIFAMILY, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA SYN, RIGHT? THEY WOULD NEED AND THEY WOULD NO, IT WOULD BE A WHO RESTRUCTURED IF, IF YOU, IF PERHAPS, PERHAPS IF THIS IS A QUESTION YOU RIGHT AFTER, IF YOU HAVE ANY, DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU, YOU CAN ENTERTAIN, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THOSE THAT ARE IN ATTENDANCE THAT THE TOWN INVITED HERE TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION AND INFORMATION ONLY, UH, IF YOU, UH, WE CAN DIRECT THAT. WE HAVE TO KEEP IT TO THIS APPLICATION. SO INFORMATION ONLY THE HYPOTHETICAL. NO. RIGHT? NO, RIGHT. IT THIS, SO YOU, IF YOU WANNA DIRECT THAT AFTER YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS REMOVED, WE CAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, SO IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, THE APPLICANT, YOU HAD A QUESTION ON THE PHYSICAL, I DID THE PHYSICAL THING. HOW AND ANY OTHER OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THAT I JUST WANTED TO JE TO DRILL DOWN INTO THAT. OKAY. UH, SO THEN THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE ON THE, UH, I GUESS FROM, UH, THE COMMENTS FROM WARREN COUNTY. IS THAT CORRECT? YOU'D HAVE LIKE TO HAVE UH, INFORMATION ON THAT? UM, SURE. YEAH. SO, UH, MAYBE, UH, MATT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME AND, UH, ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS IF YOU WOULD. OKAY. YEAH. FIRST OFF, I GET WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE R ONE. 'CAUSE IT IS A CONSISTENT, CREATES MORE OF A CONSISTENT ZONING IN THIS AREA. YEAH. BUT I WAS KIND OF JUST FOCUSED ON THE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE TOWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THOSE OTHER, UH, COMMENTS I MADE RELATING TO MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING AND TOWN HOMES AND THAT KIND OF THING. I SEE, UM, YOU TIME YOU GET A PIECE OF LAND THAT'S AVAILABLE THIS BIG, IT'S LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY. OKAY, WELL WHAT DO WE WANNA DO? , YOU KNOW. SO, UH, UH, WELL MY COUPLE QUESTIONS I HAVE, AND THEN I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IS, IS, UM, WITH YOUR TOWN CODE, Y'ALL HAVE TO TAKE THE FINAL SITE PLAN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD FOR, OR COUNCIL FOR REVIEW, FINAL SITE PLANNING AND PLANNING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL, FINAL APPROVAL. OKAY. OKAY. THE, THE PLA WOULD GO TO BOTH. YEAH. SURVEY PLA. SO WE'LL DO A, A PLA BUT, UH, SITE DEVELOPMENT DEPENDING ON THE CATEGORY, UH, THAT WOULD GO BECAUSE IT'S CREATION OF NEW TOWN ROADS. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THAT KIND OF GIVES, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION ANOTHER FIGHT AT THE APPLE. IF THEY GET AN OPPORTUNITY, IF THEY JUST DON'T SEE SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT AFTER ALL THE OTHER RIGHT. I'M SORRY. YEAH, THE SITE PLAN. UM, MY ONE THOUGHT IS, OF COURSE, I MADE A MENTION OF THE SMART SCALE PROJECT. UM, IT MAY BE THAT YOU MAY WANT TO DO IS GET AN ESTIMATED VALUE OF THE DEDICATED AREA FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS FROM THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE FISCAL IMPACT MODEL, AND POTENTIALLY SEE IF THAT COULD BE AN IN KIND, UH, PROFFER OR IN KIND CASH TO THAT, UH, SCORING FOR THE, FOR THAT, UH, PHASE TWO OF, OF THE HAPPY GRADES. YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF THINKING OF IN LIEU OF HAVING, OKAY, WE'RE CASH PROFFERS PLEASE, YOU KNOW, BUT MAYBE IDENTIFY THAT COST, YOU KNOW, THE VALUE OF THAT LAND THAT THEY'D BE PROFFERING AND SEE IF THAT MIGHT BENEFIT YOUR SCORES ON, ON THE SMART SCALE. SO THAT MIGHT BE A THOUGHT THAT, TO GET THAT NUMBER, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IT WOULD COST. NOW YOU WHATEVER, UM, COUPLE JUST NOTES ON DESIGN, IF YOU REQUIRE SIDEWALKS AND STREET LAMP POST AND, UM, IF YOU DO, THIS WOULD MAKE A REALLY NICE SUBDIVISION THAT MUCH NICER, YOU KNOW, SO THAT ADDITIONAL COST WOULD PROBABLY BE AVAILABLE. AND, AND MY THOUGHT IS TOO, IF THIS MADE A COUPLE MINUTES, IT'D BE REALLY NICE TO SEE LIKE MAYBE JUST A TROLLEY STOP. YOU NEVER KNOW. SOMEBODY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN JUST, INSTEAD OF, [01:10:01] YOU KNOW, HOOFING IT ACROSS TOWN OR HOPPING IN THEIR CAR, LET'S HAVE A TROLLEY STOP THERE. YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY'LL GET USED TO USING THAT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION A LITTLE BIT BETTER. PLUS FOR BUSES, MAYBE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN USE IT FOR THE SAME, FOR BUS PICK FOR, UH, STUDENT PICKUP FOR THAT. BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT'S REALLY ALL I, I COULD THINK OF WHILE I WAS THERE. BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNTY STANDPOINT? I MEAN, WE, WE MENTIONED UDAS, YOU'RE TRYING TO FOCUS STORY ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, LIKE WHY WE HAVE THE UDA. WELL, FIRST IT'S STATE MANDATED. THERE WAS ACTUALLY A STATE CODE ON THAT , AND UH, IN 2000, I THINK 1213, THE STATE CAME OUT AND THEY JUST SAID, WE'RE TIRED OF SEEING THESE, THIS URBAN SPRAWL HAPPENING WITH THESE SUBDIVISIONS BEING 10 MILES OUT FROM THE EXISTING DENSITY, HIGHER DENSITY AREA. WE'RE HAVING TO BUILD STATE ROADS TO GET TO THAT AND A INFRASTRUCTURE FOR PUBLIC SEWER WATER. AND SO THE UDAS ACTUALLY BENEFIT THE TOWN AND COUNTY IN THAT YOU HAVE AN EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR PUBLIC SEWER, WATER, AN EXISTING ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE, IN THIS CASE, THE TOWN. UM, ONE QUICK QUESTION. WOULD PAD PHASE TWO THEN BE ADOPTED ONCE IT WAS BUILT? WOULD THAT BE ADOPTED AND MAINTAINED BY THE TOWN THAT'S WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS? SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HAVE THEIR SAY ON THE DESIGN AND EVERYTHING, BUT, BUT IT, OKAY, SO, SO ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT IT'S, THE STATE WANTS TO SEE DENSER HOUSING IN AREAS WHERE PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER, PUBLIC ROADS, PAVED ROADS ARE OKAY. UM, WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW OF THAT THE COUNTY, EXCEPT FOR WHAT WAS GRANTED TO US FOR BLUE RIVER SHADOWS AND HENSEL STONE WOODS, AND I THINK LOOP ROAD AS A WATER AGREEMENT. UH, SO, AND I DON'T FORESEE THAT HAPPENING A LOT. SOME OF OUR SUBDIVISIONS DO HAVE, UH, COMMUNITY WELLS THAT THEY HAVE, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO, UH, S WHO ARE PRIVATE, PRIVATE, WELL SYSTEM, EXCUSE ME, PRIVATE SECTOR. SO ANYWAY, UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE GIST OF IT. UH, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT. WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT IN AND AROUND THE TOWN FOR THE DENSITY. I MEAN, THIS IS A HIGHER END DEVELOPMENT IN ALL LIKELIHOOD. YOU'RE GONNA SEE FOLKS WHO ARE COMMUTING FROM HERE TO NORTHERN VIRGINIA, GETTING THE BIG BUCKS COMING BACK HERE AND LIVING IN A PRETTY NICE HOUSE. THAT WOULD COST 'EM PROBABLY TWICE AS MUCH, OR AT LEAST THE THIRD IS MUCH IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA. SO, UM, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY, MY, MY CONCERN WAS ACTUALLY HELPING PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO ACTUALLY LIVE HERE RIGHT NOW, OTHER THAN MAYBE YOUR DOCTORS AND LAWYERS WHO ARE MOVING HERE TO WORK IN, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY. SO MAYBE HOUSES TOO. THAT'S FINE. BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT WAS JUST, UH, MY THOUGHTS ON IT. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL CONSIDERING THEM AND YOU KNOW, ANYTHING OVERALL, IT LOOKS LIKE AN INTERESTING DESIGN. UM, YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK AND IT SUITS, UH, YOU FOR FUTURE GROWTH. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WENDLING? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. EMAIL PUBLIC . OKAY. 30, I GUESS 26. 26 OF THIS MONTH. SEVEN AT THE GOVERNMENT. ALL RIGHT. I'LL PUT IT DOWN LAST WEDNESDAY. THIS CAN BE MADE PUBLIC. YES. THAT THE GOVERNMENT, I JUST MAKE SURE I'M, I'M OUT, I'M OUT FOR A WEEK AND I WAS ABLE TO GET THIS, THE GOVERNMENT CENTER. OKAY. AS LONG AS IT DIDN'T INTERFERE WITH ANY WORK SESSIONS AT OUR BOARD. . WELL, THE BOARD ROOM WAS OPEN, SO OH, SO WE'RE GOOD. YEAH, WE'RE, IF YOU'D LIKE, DO A THREE MINUTE SPI AND EXPLAIN THE UDAS, I THINK THAT'S THE BENEFICIAL PART FOR THE PUBLIC ESPECIALLY. SURE. YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND WE ARE, AND AGAIN, WE ADOPTED THAT OUR 2013, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE'RE CONTINUING TO CARRY IT ON TO, UH, THE 2000, THIS MOST RECENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UM, I WILL MENTION, I MEAN THIS IS JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE FOR OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS BECAUSE THE COUNTY ANNEXED APPORTIONED NORTH OF, UH, HAPPY CREEK YEARS AGO FOR THE, WITH THE INTENT THAT THAT WOULD SERVE BOTH THE TOWN AND COUNTY FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF HIGHER DENSITY AREAS. AND THAT'S JUST BEEN KIND OF LIKE, OKAY, WHEN IS THAT GONNA HAPPEN? YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE [01:15:01] CONSIDERING LOOKING AT ADOPTING A UDA PIECE WITHIN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH THEN WOULD BE CODIFIED WITHIN OUR ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR A SECONDARY, A SECOND DWELLING IN AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT. OF COURSE, HAVING SOME STANDARDS AND SUPPLEMENTAL RES TO ALLOW FOR FOLKS, OKAY, WELL I CAN BUILD A ONE OR TWO BEDROOM HOUSE FOR MOM OR DAD IS THERE GROWN OUT OF IT, OR I NEED A PLACE, YOU KNOW, I'M MOVING BACK TO THE AREA. I NEED A PLACE TO WORK WHILE I'M TEACHING AT SCHOOL AND WHATNOT. AND, UH, SO THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO BUY THE LAND, BUT THEY CAN PUT THAT UDA, THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT UP NEXT TO MY DAD AND WE DISPERSE IT ABOUT 60% OF THE COUNTY STILL AGRICULTURAL, BUT WE WOULD DISPERSE IT THROUGHOUT THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. WE DO A BY CUP FOR TRACKING THE TRACKING THOSE ALSO. SO ANY SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT WOULD COME UP PER THE PROPERTY, WE COULD ADDRESS IT THROUGH THE CONDITIONS ALONG WITH SUPPLEMENTAL RATES. SO THIS IS JUST CONCEPTUALLY WE'RE HOPING TO, UH, MOVE THIS FORWARD. THOSE ARE ADUS, NOT UDS EIGHTIES DID I? UDA? NO, THOSE ARE OH, DU RIGHT. DU YEAH. I GOT IT. POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE. YES. AND I THINK THE TOWN DOES HAVE THAT, SO THAT THAT DOES KIND OF SUIT SOME OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOUSING NEEDS THAT CAN BE HERE, CAN HELP, WE CAN HELP RELIEVE PRESSURE AD WOULD BE PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST WAYS WE CAN ADDRESS AFFORDABLE. SO, UM, MY THOUGHTS IS, I WAS JUST THINKING THAT WITH THE SIZE OF THOSE HOUSES, WOULD IT BE A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY COULD HAVE A SECOND KITCHENETTE OR SOMETHING FOR A FAMILY, LIKE AN ELDERLY FAMILY MEMBER TO LIVE IN THAT HOUSE? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF ALMOST A, I WANNA SAY A SET COMPLETELY SEPARATE LIVING QUARTER, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CODE. CURRENTLY THE LOTS HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 12,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, OR SOMETHING. SO IF THESE GO TO 104, THEN THEN THAT 12 WE'D HAVE TO, YEAH, THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, THE LOT HAS TO BE A MINIMUM OF 12,000 SQUARE FOOT FOR EVEN US TO CONSIDER THAT. EVEN IF IT'S CONSIDERED, WELL MY QUESTION IS IF IT'S PART OF THE HOUSE, IF IT'S LIKE AN APARTMENT HOUSE, IT WOULD BE, UH, TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS. SO YOU'RE GONNA COUNT THAT WHAT WE REFER TO AS A TWO FAMILY DWELLING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. JUST, YEAH. OKAY. R ONE DOES NOT ALLOW, THAT DOES NOT ALLOW, SO, OKAY. ALRIGHT. NO BASIC HOUSE PROJECTION, MEANING BASED, IT MAY BE, IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON THE TOPOGRAPHY AND NO, IT, BOTH THE SHEETS ALONG THE WAY SAID OKAY. THAT THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF, I MEAN, IF THE TOWN COUNCIL WOULD WISH TO, UH, AMEND PART OF THE CODE FOR TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS, BUT THAT THOSE ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE R ONE. GOTCHA. OKAY. NECESSARY DWELLING UNITS. THE LOTS HAD TO BE 12,000 SQUARE FEET. WELL, THE ONE BENEFIT TO THE LARGER HOUSES IS THAT FAMILIES DID HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT THEY NEEDED TO TAKE IN OR, YOU KNOW, UM, TO LIVE WITH 'EM AS A SINGLE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFY AS OKAY. ALL WELL, THANKS. YEAH. THE PHYSICAL, PHYSICAL, HOW THAT WAS DERIVED AND SURE. UH, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT WITHOUT HAVING AT LEAST A SUMMARY TABLE UP, BUT I DON'T THINK I SAW IT, UM, PRESENTATION, SO I DIDN'T NO, I THINK YOU, I THINK, I THINK I WENT THROUGH QUICKLY DIDN'T IT? NO, I DID NOT PUT THE, UH, UH, THE EASIEST WAY IS, I WOULD SAY YOU PROBABLY SHOULD AT LEAST READ THE SUMMARY PAGE IN EXHIBIT F OF YOUR, UH, PACKET. YEAH, I KNOW THAT, WAS THAT THE PACKET THAT CAME TODAY? OR THE ONE THAT CAME BEFORE? UH, THE ORIGINAL ONE? MINE. BUT I CAN JUST BRIEFLY. WELL LET'S, IF YOU COULD GIVE US JUST A SECOND SO EVERYBODY CAN GET IT UP. DOES THERE HAPPEN TO BE A PRINTED COPY? BECAUSE MY TABLET'S NOT LETTING ME LOAD THE IT AT ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OH, THIS ONE? MM-HMM, . OH, OKAY. YOU NEED TO HAVE A, I I I RECALL THE REPORT WITH THE SECTION. UM, OKAY. AND IF I NEED SPECIFICS, THANK YOU. COME ON. WHAT PAGE DID YOU SAY IT WAS? UM, I HAVE IT ON 13 OF MY REPORT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NOT EXHIBIT APP IN YOUR, YOU JUST, DO YOU NEED YOUR ? I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST, THIS IS GOOD. YOU NEED IT ON MY COMPUTER? WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND IT, BUT THERE PAGES HERE. PAGE 1 0 6, PAGE 1 0 7. WHAT, WHAT PAGE NUMBER TWO PAGE STILL. HUNDRED 71. OKAY. GO. [01:20:05] CAN USE MY, WELL YOU PROBABLY WANNA MEMORIZ. THERE YOU GO. RIGHT THERE. GO. YEAH, THAT'S PERFECT. ALL GOOD. JUST A, EVERYBODY GOT IT? OKAY. YEP. ALRIGHT. SO BASICALLY, SO IT'S BASICALLY ANSWERING THE QUESTION FOR YOU. IF THESE HUNDRED FORMS ARE BUILT OR HOMES ARE BUILT, SOLD, OCCUPIED, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THE BUDGET OF A TOWN. AND SO THAT'S WHAT ALL THESE CALCULATIONS ARE GOING INTO. AND SO YOU REALLY LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF FOUR DIFFERENT FACTORS. YOU HAVE ONSITE FACTORS, WHICH WOULD BE THE REVENUE GENERATE FROM THE HOMES BEING OCCUPIED. SO THAT'S REAL ESTATE TAXES, UH, THE TAXES ON PROPERTY, UH, LIKE AUTOMOBILE PROPERTY AND OTHER VARIOUS TAXES. AND THEN ON THE FLIP SIDE WOULD BE THE COST OF, OF SUPPORTING THE NEW RESIDENTS IN THESE NEW HOMES. SO THERE WILL BE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF NEW RESIDENTS IN THE TOWN AND THEN THAT ENTAILS THE COST. SO WE MAKE THOSE ESTIMATES AND COMPARE THOSE COSTS AGAINST THE GAINS THAT THE REAL ESTATE TAXES PRIMARILY WOULD GENERATE. IS THAT ALL ON SITE? ON THE OTHER HAND, WE HAVE OFFSITE, SO NOW THAT YOU HAVE NEW RESIDENTS IN THE TOWN OCCUPYING THESE HOMES, THEY'RE GONNA SPEND SOME AMOUNT OF THEIR MONEY IN LOCAL RESTAURANTS, GROCERY STORES, ENTERTAINMENT, WHATEVER ELSE. SO BASED ON INCOMES AND EXPENDITURE PATTERNS, WE ESSENTIALLY TRY TO ESTIMATE WHAT THOSE FUTURE SPENDINGS EXPENDITURES WOULD DO FOR THE TOWN'S BUDGET BASED ON VARIOUS DIFFERENT, UH, TAXES. UM, ON THE COST SIDE OF THAT WILL REQUIRE NEW EMPLOYEES IN THE TOWN TO SUPPORT THAT GROWTH. SO THERE'S AN ESTIMATE THAT'S MADE BASED ON THE BUDGET ON WHAT THE AVERAGE COST TO SUPPORT EVERY NEW EMPLOYEE WOULD BE. SO ESSENTIALLY WE TAKE THESE FOUR DIFFERENT FACTORS AND JUST TAKE THE GAINS AGAINST THE LOSSES AND ADD 'EM ALL UP. AND THAT'S HOW WE GET TO THAT 400, 7,000 PLUS OR MINUS FIGURE BRIEFLY. OKAY. SO THE ONSITE IMPACT IS ONSITE WE HAVE REAL ESTATE. WELL, NO, NOT NECESSARILY. NO. THESE, THESE ARE FOR THE TOWN. SO YOU HAVE TOWN, YOU HAVE TOWN REVENUES AND YOU HAVE COUNTY REVENUES. AND THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT CALCULATIONS, RIGHT? FOR THIS, ALL WE LOOKED AT IS WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THE TOWN? THE COUNTY WOULD BE A WHOLE OTHER THING. SO THINK OF THE PROPER ANALYSIS AS A DIFFERENT PLAN AND YOU FIGURED HOW MANY RESIDENTS IN . SO WE HAVE 21 HOMES, I DUNNO ON TOP OF MY HEAD. OKAY. BUT ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE ONSITE TAXES, THE REAL ESTATE TAXES, EMERGENCY SERVICES, PERSONAL PROPERTY, MOTOR VEHICLE, CONSUMER UTILITY AND TRASH AND RECYCLING. SO ALL THOSE, RIGHT? SO ALL THOSE ARE INDIVIDUALLY BASED ON ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE EXPECT THE HOME VALUES TO BE IN THE FUTURE AND HOW MANY AUTOMOBILES PEOPLE WOULD OWN BASED ON AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZE. OKAY. WHAT WAS YOUR ESTIMATE ON AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZE? ON TOP OF MY HEAD. I KNOW I SAW THAT THESE WERE AT LEAST SOME OF THESE WERE FIVE PAGES. I DUNNO WHICH MODEL? UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM WOULD'VE BEEN, I CAN'T FIND IT AT THE MOMENT, BUT IT'S ALL IN THERE. AND THE OFFSITE, IN FACT THE, SO THE ON ONSITE, HOW IT'S CALCULATED, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR FIRST ON WHAT IT IS. SO THEY GO BY GROCERIES OF THAT 49,000 360 21, THAT'S GONNA BE THE GROCERY TAX THEY PAY? IT COULD BE, IT'S A VARIETY OF TAXES, BUT IT'S BASICALLY COMING FROM EXPENDITURE. SO WE BA WE REDUCED IT A LOT 'CAUSE WE'RE THINKING, OKAY, SOME AMOUNT OF EXPENDITURE IS GONNA BE ONLINE, SOME AMOUNT WILL BE OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN. PEOPLE AREN'T WORKING LOCALLY, THEY'RE SPENDING WHATEVER WHEREVER THEY ARE. SO I THINK WE TOOK IT THE GROCERY ATTORNEY, RIGHT? YOU DON'T KNOW. SO WE REDUCED IT BY 60%, I BELIEVE, TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT. 'CAUSE WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THE MINUS 14,000? NO, THAT'S ALREADY BUILT IN. THE MINUS IS SAYING THOSE ARE THE COSTS OF THE NEW EMPLOYEES, BUT IN TIME YOU'LL CREATE NEW JOBS BECAUSE OF THIS GROWTH. THOSE THE NEW EMPLOYEES AND THE TOWN HAS, THERE'S COST ENTAILED TO SUPPORT THAT GROWTH. AND SO THAT'S ACCOUNTING FOR THAT. SO FOR THE 21 HOMES THAT ARE ROANOKE MODEL IS THAT [01:25:01] THE IMPACT ON SITE IS 45,000 PER HOME OR FOR THE 21 THAT'S TOTAL TOGETHER? THAT'S, THAT'S TOTAL THE 21 GROUPED TOGETHER? CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THOSE ARE JUST ESTIMATES. NOW WHERE DOES THE, THE SEWER AND WATER IS OUTSIDE OR OFFSITE? SO THAT'S CAPITAL EXPANSION. THIS IS JUST LOOKING AT NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE THE PROVIDING THE WATER SERVICE ONGOING. THE COST. THAT WOULD BE THE, UH, ONSITE THAT'S, THAT'S BUILT IN. THEY HAVE TO PAY SYSTEM, DEVELOP FEES. THAT'S A, A SEPARATE YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S SEPARATE. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THE LONG TERM HERE. WHAT OKAY. SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT FEES AS IN CONNECTION FEES BREACH. YEAH. THAT EACH HOUSE HAS TO TIE INTO OUR SYSTEM AND THEY, I THINK IT'S ABOUT $10,000 IF THEY PAY RIGHT NOW. OKAY. FOR EACH ONE, AGAIN, THIS IS TELLING YOU ONCE IT'S BUILT OUT AND OCCUPIED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, BASED ON THE TYPES OF HOMES WE'RE EXPECTING TO BE SOLD AND BASED ON THE APPROVED BUDGET OF THE TOWN, WHAT WOULD WE EXPECT ANNUALLY? AND WHAT WAS YOUR OPERATING HYPOTHESIS THERE? OF WHAT EACH HOME WOULD BE THE COST OF A VALUE OR SALE? THE HOME SALES PRICE. SO THE ROANOKE WAS ABOUT 576,000. UH, THE ST. LAWRENCE WAS ABOUT 600 AND THE COURSE CODE WAS ABOUT SIX 30. AND ALL, ALL COMBINED, JUST THOSE 600,000 WAS ESTIMATE WAS 500. OKAY. UH, ABOUT 5, 7, 6. THAT WAS OKAY. SO THAT'S THE, THE INCOME THAT YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THOSE ARE THE, THE, WHEN YOU TRY AND ESTIMATE WHAT THE TAXABLE AMOUNT WILL BE, THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS. SO THOSE ARE THE TAX TAXES, RIGHT. FOR THE REAL ESTATE TAXES, REVENUE, THAT REAL ESTATE, AND THEN THAT FORMS THE BASIS OF ESTIMATING THE INCOMES AND THE NUMBER OF CARS AND ALL THEIR ESTIMATES. HOW MANY CARS DID YOU ESTIMATE THEY NEED TO HAVE? 1.89, I BELIEVE. YEP. UH, 1.96 AVERAGE CARS PER HOME. SO JUST OVER 200. THEN THEY, THEN THEY HAVE THEIR FOUR KIDS BECOME TEENAGERS AND THEY HAVE FOUR MORE CARS AND THEN THEY HAVE . SO YEAH, I MEAN WE DID ESTIMATE BY, BASED ON THE HOME SIZE AND THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS, THE NUMBER OF HOMES, THE PERCENTAGE, THEY ARE LIKELY TO HAVE ONE CAR, TWO CARS, THEIR CARS, AND THEN DID THE AVERAGES ON THAT. SO WHAT DID YOU FIGURE WAS THE PERCENTAGE LIKELY TO HAVE THREE CARS? ABOUT 15%. 15%. OKAY. THAT IF THAT'S A RELIABLE FIGURE, THEN THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO DISCUSS IT. BUT DO WE HAVE SPACE FOR THE PARKING IN THERE? BUT THAT'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION. OKAY. WELL WE, THEY ONLY HAVE TO PROVIDE PARKING FOR TWO SPACES. SO ANY OTHER PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR IF A FAMILY HAS 10 KIDS AND 10 CARS, THAT'S IRRELEVANT. THEY, THAT'S NOT THEIR PROBLEM. PARKING IS DICTATED BY TOWN CODE. THEY NEED, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO OFF STREET PARKING PER DWELLING UNIT. THAT'S ALL THE REQUIREMENT IS WHETHER THEY CHOOSE TO PARK ON THE DRIVEWAY OR PARK ON THE STREET'S UP TO THEM. BUT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO. MR HAD A GARAGE BEFORE THEY FOOT ALL, UH, YOUR COST ANALYSIS, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING OR PREDICTING, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU LOOKED AT, BUT ADDING ALL THESE HOUSES IS GOING TO REQUIRE WATER AND . IF THE TOWN PROVIDES THIS, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WATER, THEN THEY HAVE TO IN INCREASE THEIR WATER. SO THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S OUTSIDE, BUT DO YOU, ARE YOU SEEING HOW MUCH WATER THAT THE HOUSEHOLDS THERE MIGHT BE UTILIZING? SO TYPICALLY THAT'S, SO THAT'S OUR PUBLIC WORK. SO WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE WATER AND STEWARD THAT ANYONE IN TOWN. RIGHT. SO WHETHER WE HAVE IT OR NOT THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE IT, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE FROM THAT, THAT WATER STUDY THAT CAME OUT, UM, I THINK THEY'RE AVERAGING LIKE A PER HOUSEHOLD. YEAH. BUT WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A STUDY WE CAN GIVE THAT TO YOU. IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT RELEVANT TO THIS APPLICATION. DOES PUBLIC WORKS LOOK AT AT THE PROPOSAL SHEET? PUBLIC WORKS DOES. SO WHEN WE GET THESE APPLICATIONS AND WE ROUTE IT TO PUBLIC WORKS ENERGY SERVICES, UM, WE ROUTE IT OUT TO THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY ROUTES IT TO THEIR DEPARTMENTS THAT NEED TO REVIEW IT. VDOT LOOKS AT IT. I'VE SEEN THE V ONE, THE YEAH, WE ISSUE COMMENTS. [01:30:01] DID THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMENT, IS THAT INCLUDED IN THE EMAIL FROM TODAY? PUBLIC WORKS TYPICALLY IS GONNA COMMENT AT SITE PLAN BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE GONNA COME INTO PLAY. SO THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE GONNA SAY, HERE'S WHAT THE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT FEES ARE. UH, HERE'S THE SIZE LIKE WATER LINE OR PIPE THAT THEY NEED TO INSTALL. THEY'RE GONNA GIVE THEM ALL THOSE SPECIFICATIONS. AT THE TIME WATER AND SEWER IS AVAILABLE IN SITE. RIGHT. ASK ME A QUESTION. THIS IS TAKING CONSIDERATION WITH THE COMP PLAYER. YES. WATER SEWER IS, YEAH, THERE'S PLENTY WATER OUT THERE FOR, FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE. JUST, I KNOW IT'S OFF TRACK AND, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MM-HMM. SEE THAT. SO IT WAS ALL DONE AND, AND, UM, AND SO COMPREHENSIVE LAND, BUT WATER CAPACITY'S NOT GONNA BE A, IS THIS LAND USE ? RIGHT. NO, I, I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I ONLY ASKED THAT 'CAUSE HE WAS TALKING TO NUMBERS AND STUFF. YEAH. BUT I THOUGHT HE MIGHT HAVE A NUMBER. IF THE COST OF THE WATER GOES UP, THE NUMBERS WILL YEAH. REFLECT THE PILLS. THEIR UTILITY BILLS. EXACTLY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANKS. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? READY? YOU GO TO PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS? YOU ALREADY, YOU ALREADY ADVERTISED RIGHT? PUBLIC HEARING. YOU'RE READY. WE'RE LOCKED INTO IT. SO WE'VE BETTER BE READY. OKAY. OKAY. AND I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE, UH, COVERED OUR AGENDA. MOVE TO A JURY. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. NIGHT IS, I APOLOGIZE. COMMISSIONER MASS LAST NIGHT. SO THANK YOU FOR SERVING. THANK YOU BROOKE. IT'S BEEN ENJOYABLE. AND, AND WE SHOULD, WE DID IT OFF CAMERA WHEN WE BEGAN. WE WELCOMED OUR TWO NEW MEMBERS. MR. CARRIE GILLESPIE AND MR. OR ZARO? ZO. ZO. I HAD TO WRITE THE FIRST BOOK. ZO VERY CLOSE. SORRY. I ONLY GET ONE MEETING AT GOOD TO HAVE ANOTHER CELL POINT. BE NICE TO WORK WITH. HEY, THANK YOU. YEAH, WE FINE NOW YOU MAY MOVE TO A SECOND. ALL, NONE DEBATABLE. ALL IN FAVOR. SO YOU'LL APPRECIATE THE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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