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READY? YEP.[Town Council Work Session on June 3, 2024.]
OKAY.I'M GONNA CALL THE TOWN COUNCIL REGULAR WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, JUNE 3RD TO ORDER MS. PRESBY, CAN YOU DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR RE HERE.
NUMBER ONE, DO YOU HAVE THREE READ? DID YOU HEAR? YES, WE GOT IT.
GLEN, WE'RE CLARIFYING WITH COUNSEL WHY YOU'RE NOT HERE ABOUT THAT.
IF WE COULD JUST BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE REASON THAN NOT SAYING NUMBER ONE.
COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT NUMBER ONE? YES.
I HAD MEDICAL TREATMENT TODAY.
SO, SO COUNCIL, UM, WHEN A COUNCIL MEMBER IS, UH, LOGGING IN BY ZOOM, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A REASON, AND THEN, UM, IT HAS TO BE STATED.
AND THEN I HAVE TO ASK COUNSEL, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS BY COUNCILMAN WOOD JOINING US VIA ZOOM? OKAY.
SO WE'RE GOING TO GO TO TWO, UM, WHICH IS NEW BUSINESS AND ADVERTISING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY 24TH.
THESE ARE THE THREE ITEMS THAT, UM, UH, WELL, SOME OF THEM, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING.
ANYWAY, UH, TWO, A SOCIAL NEEDS PREVENT FOR LIVE HOUSE AT 1324 OLD WINCHESTER PIKE ABO DELIBERATION.
MS. KAKI, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO COME UP OR, OR JOHN OR WHOMEVER IS GONNA BE, UM, PRESENTING STAFF ON THIS TOPIC.
UH, THIS IS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR LODGING HOUSE.
UH, IF YOU REMEMBER THIS PROPERTY, IT'S LOCATED AT 1324 OH WINCHESTER PIKE.
UH, THERE'S PARKING THERE ON THE FRONT.
UH, THERE'S THE TAX MAP NUMBER.
UH, YOU APPROVED A REZONING ON THIS PARCEL, UH, IN MARCH 25TH OF THIS YEAR.
UH, THE REASON BEHIND THAT, UH, THE PARCEL, UH, THE PROPERTY OPERATED, UH, FOR SOME TIME AS A BED AND BREAKFAST.
UH, THE NEW OWNER PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND, UH, THEY WANTED, UH, THEY THOUGHT THEY WAS DOING A BED AND BREAKFAST, BUT ACTUALLY THEY'RE DOING A LODGING HOUSE.
UH, SO WHEN SHE CAME IN TO DO THE BUSINESS LICENSE, UH, WE REALIZED THAT WHAT SHE WANTED TO OPERATE WAS NOT WHAT SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS DOING, BASICALLY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DID THE REZONING TO BRING THAT INTO COMPLIANCE.
UH, SO THE, FOR HER, THE, UH, THE PROPOSED USES FOR NON-PROFIT LODGING, HOUSE OFFERING REFUGE FOR ADULTS OF DIFFERENT ABILITIES AND THEIR CAREGIVERS.
THE HOME DOES HAVE SEVEN BEDROOMS. UH, SO THE TOWN CODE 1 75 30 DOES REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE THE LODGING HOUSE IN THE R THREE DISTRICT.
SO YOU APPROVE THE REZONING, UH, FROM R ONE, R THREE.
R THREE DOES PERMIT WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THE LODGING HOUSE.
OUR CODE, YOUR CODE STATES WHAT A LODGING HOUSE IS.
THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING OTHER THAN A HOTEL MOTEL OR BED AND BREAKFAST.
AND THAT'S WHAT PREVIOUSLY WAS OPERATED WAS, WAS A BED AND BREAKFAST.
SO, UH, WHERE LODGING IS PROVIDED FOR COMPENSATION ON A REGULAR BASIS THERE.
SO THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ROOMS OR UNITS, UH, FOR NO CASE WILL BE MORE THAN 10.
SO SHE HAS SEVEN BEDROOMS, SO SHE'S UNDER THE MAXIMUM NUMBER, UH, LODGING HOUSE.
JOSH WILL BE KNOWN AS A ROOMING HOUSE OR A BOARDING HOUSE.
AND THERE'S A DEFINITION OF A BED AND BREAKFAST.
SO OUR, YOUR CODE DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO THAT'S WHY SHE CAME FORTH WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO DO THE LODGING HOUSE.
THERE IS PARKING THERE IN THE BACK.
UH, SHE DOES HAVE THE PARKING ON OH, WINCHESTER ROAD, PLUS A THREE BAY GARAGE HERE, AND NINE PARKING SPACES, UH, LABELED IN THE GRAVEL AREA.
SO SHE HAS AMPLE PARKING PER CODE FOR THE LODGING HOUSE.
SHE'S UNDER THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ROOMS, AND SHE WOULD JUST LIKE TO OPERATE THIS AS STATED IN HERS FOR A NON-PROFIT LODGING HOUSE.
IT IS ZONED APPROPRIATELY NOW AND IT'S WITHIN THE, UH, CONFINES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE HAVE.
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ANY QUESTIONS? ARE THERE'S CAREGIVERS THAT ARE? YES, THEY'RE, UH, TWO, I THINK IS, YEAH, TWO, TWO CAREGIVERS, UH, THAT ARE AT THE HOUSE TO HELP WITH THE MANAGER OF THE, UH, OCCUPANTS THERE.AND THERE'S AMPLE PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTS AND FOR THE WORKERS THAT WORK THERE, PLUS THE OWNER.
SO IT ALIGNS WITH EVERYTHING WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SHE MEETS ALL THE CONDITIONS FOR LODGING HOUSE AND JUST WOULD LIKE THE APPROVAL FOR THIS APPLICATION.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN TINA WILL, WILL PUT THIS, UM, FOR THE JUNE 24TH MEETING, AND THAT WILL BE A ABOVE HEARING THEN.
TWO B IS THE BID FOR TREE TRIMMING SERVICES AND DJ'S GONNA PRESENT THAT.
YOU, MICHELLE, STEP OUT UNEXPECTEDLY.
UH, C CS WE ARE REQUESTING COUNSEL TO APPROVE A BID FOR TREE TRIMMING SERVICES, UH, FOR, UH, APOLOGIZE.
UH, THOMPSON'S TREE SERVICE, WHO WAS THE LOWEST RESPONSIVE BIDDER.
UH, ONE THIS, UH, UH, THE NEXT HIGHEST BID WAS, UM, UH, CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT HIGHER WAS THE PITUS TREE.
UH, BUT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE CONTINUALLY DONE FOR THE PAST, UH, I DON'T KNOW, 10, 15, 20 YEARS.
UH, IT'S FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SERVICES FOR THEIR LINE CLEARING THERE.
UH, MAINLY, UH, THE DEPARTMENTS, UH, WE USE IT AS WELL AT AT POINT IN TIMES, BUT, UH, UH, BECAUSE THE AMOUNT WILL EXCEED THE $50,000 IN A AN ANNUAL YEAR, WE ARE REQUESTING COUNSEL AS APPROVAL CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT.
UM, I MEAN, NOT THAT IT WAS A BID, SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN WHOMEVER HAD THE LOWEST BID, BUT I, I AM AM PLEASED THAT IT'S SOMEBODY LOCAL 'CAUSE THEN WE'RE GIVING, YOU KNOW YEAH.
AS OUR WAY, THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB.
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS OUR OPEN HOUSE EVENT ON JUNE 22ND, WHICH I KNOW, UM, COUNSEL WAS AWARE OF THAT WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT THAT, BUT MR. WALTZ IS GONNA GIVE AN UPDATE.
SO YEAH, JUST WANTED TO LET COUNSEL KNOW THAT STAFF IS AND, UH, IS TRYING TO PLAN THIS EVENT RIGHT NOW.
UM, EVERY DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO HAVE A TABLE DOWN THERE.
OUR FOCUS FOR THIS EVENT IS TO FOCUS ON THE CITIZENS.
UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS EDUCATION, PROVIDE THEM INFORMATION AND FOR THEM TO MEET THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE SCENES AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, UH, WE ARE GONNA PROVIDE SOME, SOME FAMILY ACTIVITIES AS WELL.
WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE SOME FREE HOT DOGS.
UM, BUT THE MAIN REASON I BROUGHT IT UP TONIGHT IS, IS WE WANTED TO FIND OUT WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO DURING THAT EVENT.
UM, I WOULD FIRST ASSUME THAT YOU'D PROBABLY WANT TO BE FREE AND, AND, AND FLOW THROUGHOUT THE EVENT.
BUT, UM, THERE IS ONE TABLE THAT I, I WANNA WORK ON PERSONALLY, AND THAT IS VOLUNTEERING AND PARTICIPATING IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO TRY TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY ON JUNE 20 SEC SECOND TO TALK TO THE CITIZENS ABOUT GETTING THEM MORE ACTIVE AND, AND, AND RUNNING FOR, OR DOING PC V-C-A-L-L-B-C-A WHERE WE NEED TO.
SO I'M GONNA TRY TO HAVE A TABLE FOR THAT EVENT TO FOCUS ON THAT.
HOW DO YOU GET ENGAGED WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT? BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF TONIGHT TO SEE, BECAUSE COUNCIL IS A VERY KEY PART OF THIS EVENT FOR THE, THAT THE CITIZENS CAN COME DOWN AND TALK TO YOU AND WANTED TO SEE WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE FOR AND JUST FOR WE CAN PLAN APPROPRIATELY.
SO COUNSEL, YOU GUYS KNOW THAT ONE OF THIS WAS ONE OF OUR GOALS WHEN DURING OUR RETREAT WAS ABOUT, UM, JUST BEING MORE COMMUNICATIVE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE CITIZENS AND, AND WHAT GOES ON WITH THE TOWN.
AND SO, UM, SO THE OPEN HOUSE IS REALLY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN INITIATIVE WE THAT, UM, WE WANTED TO SEE HAPPEN AND STAFF IS TAKING OFF WITH IT, WHICH WE SO GREATLY APPRECIATE.
SO, UH, MR. WALTZ AND I TALKED ABOUT, LIKE, WE DIDN'T, WE, WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WANTED TO LIKE, HAVE A TABLE SET UP FOR COUNCIL WHERE WE EACH LIKE, TOOK SHIFTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOT AS HE SAID, YOU KNOW, MAY BE THAT WE DON'T WANNA STAND AT THE TABLE THE WHOLE DAY.
'CAUSE THEN WE WON'T GET TO GO OUT AND, AND INTERACT WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL.
UM, OR IF, IF PEOPLE DO WANNA JUST HAVE ONE STATIONARY SPOT,
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IT'S REALLY KIND OF OPEN-ENDED RIGHT NOW.SO REALLY JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR ALLS, UM, INPUT ON WHAT, WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE AS YOUR ROLE THAT DAY AND HOW YOU WANNA, UM, HOW YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, I AM OUT OF THE STATE THAT WEEK.
SO I WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE AT THE EVENT.
I'M GONNA SAY THAT, UH, MAYBE WE COULD, UH, LIKE WEAR NAME TAGS, UH, AND THEN, AND IF YOU HAVE THE NAME TAGS.
SAY COUNCIL COUNCILMAN DEMON PAYNE.
AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE STATIONARY.
YOU COULD GO MINGLE OUT IN THE PUBLIC AND TABLE.
THERE WAS, BUT WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE A TABLE.
SO YOU, SOME OF US CAN MINGLE.
SOME OF US COULD STAY AT THE TABLE TOO, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
IF WE KIND OF TOOK TURNS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE GO OUT AND MINGLE.
IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU SAID THAT, BRUCE, BECAUSE LAST YEAR TINA AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND THEN WE NEVER, I NEVER FOLLOWED UP TO SEE IF PEOPLE WANTED TO DO IT.
BUT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, GETTING A PIECE OF CLOTHING, LIKE A SHIRT THAT HAD OUR NAME BECAUSE, UM, NOT JUST THIS EVENT, BUT THERE'S LOTS OF TOWN EVENTS THAT WE GO TO AND, AND WE GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY WATCHES THE CAMERA OR LOOKS IN THE NEWSPAPER OR WATCHES THE VIDEOS ONLINE, AND THEY MAY NOT KNOW WHO EVERYBODY IS.
AND WE THOUGHT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST YEAR.
WE DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE ARE STILL INTERESTED IN THAT OR NOT.
WE PROBABLY COULD FIND SOMEBODY LOCAL THAT COULD MAKE T-SHIRTS THAT HAD SOMETHING ON THERE.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE, UH, BADGES.
UM, I KNOW WE HAVE, WELL WE DID IN THE PAST, WE HAD LIKE A LITTLE METAL NAME TAG THAT WE WORE AROUND, WHICH WE COULD STILL DO.
BUT, UM, I'M BE SURE IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER THOUGH.
I MEAN, IF Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED THEN THAT WAY, UM, ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL, TINA AND I WILL GET TOGETHER ON THAT.
AND IT COULD BE, COULD HAVE YOUR NAME ON THE FRONT BACK, BUT WHATEVER.
DO THEY HAVE TOWN T-SHIRTS ALREADY? LIKE READY? UM, NO.
I THINK WE PRE-ORDER THOSE, BUT THIS SHOULDN'T BE A BIG DEAL.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CONFIDENT WE CAN GET THIS DONE BY JUNE 22ND, BUT THIS YEAR SHOULDN'T BE THAT BIG OF A DEAL.
UM, ONCE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT, WE ALREADY HAVE COMPANIES THAT DO OUR EMBROIDERY AND STUFF LIKE THAT THROUGHOUT DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
SO IT'S JUST BASICALLY FIGURING OUT WHAT COUNCIL'S DESIRES ARE.
AND I HAVE A CRICKET MACHINE AND I HAVE A PRESS
BUT WE, I COULD, IF
BEING AT THE TABLE AND BEING ABLE TO, 'CAUSE IT'S FROM 12 TO THREE, SO IT'S THREE HOURS.
UM, SO DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY CONFLICTS? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I MEAN, NOT, I, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL, YOU CAN CHECK YOUR COUNSEL VACATION THAT WEEK, BUT I HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT MY, SO YOU'RE NOT SURE IF YOU'LL BE BACK ON SATURDAY YET? ANY DETAILS SHOULD BE BACK.
I SHOULD BE BACK FRIDAY NIGHT.
SO I'LL BE, I'LL BE IN, YOU'LL BE AROUND.
AND I DON'T MIND BEING PLANTED WHEREVER, SO
WE'RE GONNA LEARN A LOT AND I HOPE THE CITIZENS COME DOWN AND TELL US WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT AND WHAT WE CAN DO BETTER NEXT TIME.
AND, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING IN.
WE'RE JUST WANT TO ENGAGE AND COMMUNICATE WITH THE CITIZENS AND PROVIDE A PLATFORM FOR, THEY CAN BE BETTER INFORMED.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY KINDA SOCIAL MEDIA AMONGST YOURSELVES TOO, OR, OR FRIENDS NEIGHBORS, TELL PEOPLE ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, HOPEFULLY IT WON'T BE A SCORCHING HOT DAY AND THAT IT WON'T RAIN.
THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS WE CAN HOPE FOR.
MR. WALTZ, DID YOU GET ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEEDED? YEP.
THE SHIRT, THE SHIRT THING KIND OF BECAME, THAT WAS NEW, BUT I THINK WE CAN PULL IT OFF.
YES, I WAS GONNA SAY, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, THERE'S GONNA BE CANINE DEMOS, TOUCH THE TRUCK, INTERACTIVE BOOST FOOD AND GAMES, PRIZES, GIVEAWAY, GIVEAWAY.
UM, FOR THE KIDS, THE TO DO YES.
KIDS THINGS FOR THE KIDS TO DO, I'M SURE IF THERE'S AN ADULT THAT WANTS TO TOUCH A TRUCK,
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JUST FOR PEOPLE'S KNOWLEDGE.SO THE WHOLE, THAT WHOLE, UM, THE PARKING LOT AROUND THE GAZEBO WILL BE CLOSED WITH THE PAVILION.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE PAVILION, BUT THAT'S THE AREA IN WHICH WE'RE, UM, I'M, I'M ASKING FOR PEOPLE'S KNOWLEDGE.
WILL ANY PART OF MAIN STREET BE CLOSED OFF? NO, NO, JUST THE GAZEBO AREA.
WE ARE GONNA COMPLY AND EVERYTHING IN THE GAZEBO AREA.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IN CASE ANYBODY ELSE ASK.
I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
HOPEFULLY IT'S A, IT'S A SUCCESS.
WE CAN BUILD ONE, UM, THREE A, UM, IS, SO ALL THE NEXT THREE THINGS ARE ACTUALLY OLD BUSINESS.
IT'S THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AT PREVIOUS WORK SESSION.
UM, SO THREE A IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO CONVERT THE MOTEL INTO 39 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING AT 10 COMMERCE AVENUE.
AND MS. KUBISH, YOU, I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS GONNA BE YOU OR JOHN, SO, OKAY.
AND I, AND I ACTUALLY SHOULD HAVE ASKED COUNCILMAN WOODS IF HE HAD ANY INPUT ON THE, UM, COUNCILMAN WOOD.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE OTHER THING, DID YOU HAVE ANY INPUT YOU WANTED TO SHARE ABOUT THE OPEN HOUSE? NO.
JUST DON'T CLICK LEAVE
CAN YOU CONTROL IT REMOTELY? YEP.
YOU WANNA HEAR SITTING BACK? YEP.
SO, UM, I'LL KIND OF JUST GO BRIEFLY BACK THROUGH SOME OF WHAT WE TOUCHED ON LAST WEEK AND THEN I CAN DISCUSS.
UM, SO THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE BAYMONT HOTEL.
THIS IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PORTION.
AND WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING HERE IS PERMISSION TO CONVERT THE USE OF THE HOTEL FROM THE HOTEL MOTEL TO APARTMENTS.
UM, THESE ARE JUST THE CURRENT PHOTOS.
UM, SO THEY'RE ASKING TO GO TO 39 UNITS, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THERE.
THEY HAVE A, THEY'RE PROPOSING A MIXTURE OF ONE AND TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS.
APPROXIMATELY 24 WILL BE ONE BEDROOM, 15 WILL BE TWO BEDROOM.
UM, ALL OF THE UNITS WILL BE OVER 600 SQUARE FEET BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE TAKING, FOR THE ONE BEDROOM UNITS, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE TWO EXISTING HOTEL ROOMS AND TURN THAT INTO ONE APARTMENT.
AND THEN FOR THE, UM, LARGER THE TWO BEDROOM UNITS, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE, I THINK LIKE THREE EXISTING ROOMS TO CONVERT THAT.
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO OFFER THE SWIMMING POOL OF AN AMENITY.
THEY'RE GOING TO ENLARGE THE GREEN SPACE TO MEET OUR CODE.
UM, SO IT'S GONNA PUSH THAT GREEN SPACE AROUND THE POOL BACK TO THE PARKING LOT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, THEY'RE GONNA OFFER THE BANQUET HALL STILL, UM, A CLUBHOUSE.
THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE TWO PARKING SPOTS, UH, PER UNIT, WHICH IS WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE LAUNDRY FACILITIES ON EACH FLOOR.
UM, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS AROUND THE PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO STAY, UM, IN THE, UH, THE BANQUET HALL, THE CLUBHOUSE, THOSE ARE JUST GOING TO BE FOUR TENANTS IN THEIR VISITORS.
UM, SO THIS JUST KIND OF GOES THROUGH THE LAYOUT.
EACH FLOOR, THERE'S THREE FLOORS.
EACH FLOOR IS GONNA MIRROR THE OTHER FLOORS.
UM, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR LAUNDRY FACILITIES ON THE EDGES THERE.
UM, IT'S THE PROPOSED RENDERING OF THE EXTERIOR.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE ENLARGEMENT OF THE GREEN SPACE, AND THEN A PROPOSED, UM, INTERIOR, UH, RENDERING OF THE LAUNDRY AREA.
AND THEN A PROPOSED, UM, YOUR TYPICAL APARTMENT, SO IS YOUR KITCHEN AREA.
SO RIGHT NOW, WHERE IN EACH ROOM YOU HAVE JUST THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ROOM AREA AND THEN THE BATHROOM IN ONE OF THE ROOM SECTIONS, THE BATHROOMS WILL BE CONVERTED INTO KITCHENS.
THEN THERE'LL BE AN OPENING TO GO INTO THE BEDROOM, BATHROOM AREA.
SO QUESTIONS ON THIS PIECE, AGAIN, THIS IS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CONVERSION OF THE USE FROM HOTEL TO APARTMENT.
WE WILL BE LAUNDRY FACILITIES ON EACH FLOOR, ON EACH FLOOR.
AND JUST AS, JUST AS A REMINDER TO COUNSEL THESE ZONING MATTERS THAT ARE ON WORK SESSIONS THAT ARE HEADED
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TO PUBLIC HEARINGS, THIS IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT FOR DISCUSSION OF THE MERIT.COUNSEL SHOULD CONSIDER ALL COMMENTS COMING AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I THINK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD BEFORE WERE JUST, AND THAT'S, THESE WERE THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO ASK BEFORE, UM, WERE, UH, WHAT TYPE WOULD COUNT, WOULD THE TOWN HAVE ANY, UH, ABILITY TO ENSURE, UH, BECAUSE IT'S BEING BILLED IS FOR YOUNG PROFESSIONALS? I MEAN, THAT WAS THE QUESTION BEFORE THAT COUNCIL WAS ASKING.
DID THAT, DOES THAT FALL UNDER MERIT OR, 'CAUSE THESE ARE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? QUESTIONS ARE INFORMATIONAL, IT'S FINE.
RIGHT? IT'S JUST GETTING INTO A DISCUSSION OF, OF PROS AND CONS OF HOW YOU WOULD VOTE, RIGHT? YEAH.
YEAH, NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WAS A QUESTION BEFORE, UM, ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THE WHO THE INTENDED INTENDED, UH, OCCUPANTS.
WHAT WERE SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS? THEY WERE IN THEIR APPLICATION, THEY STATED THAT THEIR INTENTION IS TO RENT THIS TO, UM, TEACHERS, FIREFIGHTERS, NURSES, PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING HERE IN TOWN, WORKING IN TOWN.
AND I THINK WHAT THE QUESTION WAS THEN IS, BUT HOW, UM, HOW MUCH TEETH DO WE HAVE TO HOLD PEOPLE TO INTENTION? THERE IS NOT, LIKE, YOU SHOULD NOT REGULATE THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING THOUGH.
SO THE INTENT IS REALLY JUST REALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
I HOPE, YOU KNOW, FOR US IT'S DOES THIS MEET THE CODE AND IS THIS APPROPRIATE HERE? YOU GUYS WERE LOOKING AT, IS THIS USE APPROPRIATE ON THIS PART? RIGHT.
THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK.
THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT, UH, RENT.
UM, AND I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT THE OTHER THINGS WERE, UH, THE LOOK HOW IT WAS GONNA LOOK.
SO, UM, WHAT WERE, ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT, WELL, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY, THE, YOU HAVE THE LAUNDRY FACILITY ON THE, UH, PIECE FOR IS A CENTRAL, BECAUSE WHEN THE MOTEL WAS BUILT, THE PIPES ARE RUNNING ALONG THE BACK WALL.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU COULDN'T NECESSARILY PUT 'EM IN THE, IN THE, IN THE ACTUAL APARTMENTS.
UM, AND UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING IS REGARDING, IF I READ IT RIGHT, THE RANGE WAS 1200 TO $1,800 MONTH IS THE RANGE.
AND THAT WOULD BE FOR ONE BEDROOM OR I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT THE ONE BEDROOM, YEAH, ONE BEDROOM WOULD BE THE 1200, 1800 WOULD BE TWO BEDROOM OR SOMEWHERE IN THAT.
I NOTICED THAT THE THREE, THAT THE THREE THAT WERE DESIGNATED AS WITH DENS, THAT THAT HAS DROPPED OUT SO BRIGHT IS, DID I READ THAT RIGHT ON YOUR SCREEN? YEAH.
OUR SUMMARIES SUGGEST AS THOUGH THERE WAS 24 1 BEDROOMS, THREE, ONE BEDROOM WITH DEN AND 12 TWO BEDROOMS. WELL, AND US.
SO THEY NEED TO GET THROUGH THIS APPROVAL PROCESS BEFORE THEY DO ANY FURTHER ENGINEERING.
UM, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THEM TO PUT THE COST OR PUT THE MONEY INTO GETTING THESE ADDITIONAL PLANS.
SO I THINK WHEN, IF WE GET PAST THIS PART, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO START, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME TO US WITH THEIR PLANS.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THE COUNTY.
ALL THE BUILDING PLANS ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE APPROVED.
I THINK THAT'S WHEN THEY'LL ACTUALLY WORK OUT, UM, HOW THE ELECTRICAL'S GONNA WORK.
HOW, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THE DEN IS FEASIBLE OR IF THEY'RE GONNA DO THE TWO BEDROOM AND WHAT THE MIXTURE OF UNITS IS GOING TO BE.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT THE, IT'S GONNA BE SIDE BY SIDE.
UH, THE BEDROOM, THE TWO ROOMS WILL BECOME BASICALLY ONE APARTMENT RATHER THAN A SHOTGUN APPROACH.
UH, SO IT'S GONNA BE SIDE BY SIDE AND THEY ARE ALL GONNA BE ACCESSED FROM THE EXTERIOR.
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AND SO IN THE SPOT WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, THE TWO, THE RENDERING LIKE, OH WAIT, LIKE THIS.SO, BUT REALLY, SO THESE WOULD BE LIKE THE ONE BEDROOM.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ONE ENTRANCE DOOR PER APARTMENT.
SO WHAT MAY HAPPEN IS THAT SOME OF THOSE DOORS MAY STILL BE THERE, BUT ON THE INSIDE THEY'RE GONNA BE CLOSED OFF.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY.
LIKE, YOU'D ENTER FROM THERE, IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU CLOSED OFF THE ONES THAT ARE FACING OUT ONE TO STONEWALL.
I'M JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, BUT, UM, ONLY BECAUSE OF THE, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE WHAT FACES STONEWALL WITH ALL OF THE, UM, DECKS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT CALL THE RAILINGS.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO TO NOT HAVE THAT IF, IF YOU WERE GONNA CONVERT IT TO PARK TO APARTMENTS, UM, IT'S GONNA MAKE FIRE SUPPRESSION HARD, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE ABUSE.
YOU CAN'T ACCESS 'EM FROM THAT SIDE.
YOU CAN'T ACCESS THEM FROM THAT SIDE.
YOU'RE ONLY GONNA BE ABLE TO ACCESS FROM WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE, ONE TO WHERE A APARTMENT CAN YOU GET TO THE OTHER PICTURE ROOM.
WHICH ONE? THE ONE WHERE HAD WHERE WE WERE.
THAT'S ALL, THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THEM FROM.
SO THE BALCONIES AND STUFF ON THE BACK ARE NOT GONNA BE ANY, YOU CAN GET SOMETHING UP THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO GET UP PUT NOW, BUT IT IS JUST GONNA BE A WALL BACK THERE.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANY ACCESS TO THE BUILDING.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE THINKING IF THERE WERE TWO DOORS THAT WOULD, TO EACH APARTMENT, IT WOULD ALLOW TWO ENTRANCES.
BUT I MEAN, IF, IF YOU COULD YOU CLOSE THAT OFF, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET TO THE THIRD FLOOR TO, IF THERE'S A FIRE DOWN THAT WAY, HOW YOU GET THERE TO PUT IT OUT? WELL, I, I DIDN'T THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU MEANT.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DOOR EACH APARTMENT, BUT THEY'LL HAVE A RUN DOWN THERE VERSUS PULL THE FIRETRUCK UP FROM THE OUTSIDE FIRE.
EM THAT'S WHAT REVIEWED THESE PLANS WHEN THEY GET SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY.
THEY HAVE TO, BUT THEY CAN'T, THEY'RE NOT GONNA ISSUE THAT CERTIFICATE OF DOCUMENT.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY DOORS ON THE STONEWALL DRIVE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
I THOUGHT, WAIT, WHAT? THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE ONLY ENTRANCE, THE A ENTRANCE.
I WAS THINKING YOU MEANT LIKE THE ONES THAT ARE FACING, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, TO GET, IF IT'S A DOOR THERE TO GET, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE IN USE.
THERE'S NOT GONNA, THAT'S GONNA BE A WALL BASIC.
AND THAT ACTUALLY DIDN'T SOUND LIKE THE WAY SHE JUST DESCRIBED IT.
SO NOW I'M CONFUSED 'CAUSE YOU SAID IT'S NOT GONNA BE A SHOTGUN.
OKAY, SO THERE'S DOOR DOORWAYS HERE.
THERE ARE, SO THERE ARE DOORS ON BOTH SIDES.
SO YOU'RE HAVING TWO UNITS THAT ARE BACK TO BACK.
SO ALL OF THESE BALCONIES WILL BE IN USE.
SO YOU'VE GOT ENTRANCES HERE AND THEN YOU HAVE ENTRANCES HERE.
AND THEY, THEY HAVE NO TIMELINE AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? TO IT'S TOO EARLY TO HAVE ANY, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP.
NO, EVEN BALLPARK HOW LONG IT COULD TAKE RENOVATION WISE.
I BELIEVE FOR THE, BEFORE THEY TALKED ABOUT SIX TO WORST WILL FACE STONEWALL.
I DIDN'T THINK THERE'D BE ANY WAY TO NOT FACE STONEWALL.
THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE, I THINK HE SAID IT WOULD SIX GET STARTED FAIRLY SOON, BUT SIX TO 12 MONTH RUN.
BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO GET THROUGH ALL THAT PERMITTING PROCESS.
IT'S NOT JUST HOW QUICK LOOKING CAN THE BUILDERS GET IN THERE.
IT'S, WE HAVE TO DO OUR REVIEWS AS WELL.
WILL THE ELEVATORS, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, IS THE ELEVATOR STILL GOING TO BE ACTIVE AND THE RENDITION? RIGHT? SO THE WHITE STUFF THAT THERE IS THERE NOW WOULD NOT BE, WILL NOT BE HERE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE OPEN RAILING.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'D SEE FROM STONEWALL OR COMMERCE, I MEAN, OR THE HILL
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MADAM MAYOR? YES.
I THINK COUNT AVEN COURT WAS IN AND OUT THEN EVERYBODY WAS TALKING.
SO I'M NOT SURE TOO MUCH WHAT WAS SAID.
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UM, I, I WANNA MAKE A, A COUPLE POINTS, IF I MAY, THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, UH, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE TODAY.WE HAVE IN OUR COUNT, UH, I, I COUNTED ABOUT 12 OF THESE OLDER PROPERTIES, OLDER MOTELS.
UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FROM THE TWILIGHT MOTEL TO THE RELAX IN AND, AND SO FORTH.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT GOING FORWARD BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING MORE COMPETITION FROM THE COUNTY OUT IN THE CORRIDOR WITH TWO MORE MOTELS, A SIX STORY MOTEL GOING IN BESIDE THE, UH, I THINK IT'S A MARRIOTT AND ANOTHER ONE THEY JUST APPROVED OUT BY THE HILTON PROPERTY.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF THESE MOTOR COURTS MOTELS? UM, I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT THAT SHELLY COOK TOOK AN ABANDONED, UGLY PROPERTY THAT WAS A MOTOR COURT AT ONE TIME AND TURNED, TURNED IT INTO A TRELLIS, WHICH WE ALL HAVE AGREED, HAS BEEN QUITE A, UM, NICE THING AT THE ENTRANCE OF OUR TOWN.
AND WE LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY RIGHT AT THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, THE ENTRANCE TO OUR MAIN STREET.
AND I, I ASK EVERYBODY, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU SEE? OR WHAT DO YOU WANT THERE IN FIVE YEARS OR EVEN 10 YEARS? UH, I MAY NOT BE AROUND TO WORRY ABOUT IT, BUT MOST OF YOU GUYS WILL, UM, WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT OR NOT.
THERE'S ALL SCENARIOS OUT THERE, AND I KNOW THAT MR. SONNET HAS SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE DISCUSSING.
JUST, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S NOT ABOUT ANYTHING.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE RENT, IT'S NOT ABOUT THIS OR THAT.
IT'S ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT.
BUT I ALSO WANT TO MENTION AS HIS CURRENT BUSINESS IS LEGALLY, HE CAN RENT IT TO ANYBODY FOR ANY TIME FROM I GUESS ONE HOUR UP TO A WEEK, UP TO A MONTH.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE, THIS GENTLEMAN HAS A BUSINESS AND WE, WE ALWAYS ARE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS AND PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT IF WE DON'T ALLOW HIM TO DO THIS AND REINVEST IN HIS PROPERTY WHAT THE END RESULTS ARE GONNA BE.
AND I GUESS THAT'S MY 10 CENTS ON IT TONIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO ADDRESS THAT, CONSIDERING WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS OF INFORMATION OR FACTS ABOUT THE USE OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT I DO HAVE OPINIONS ON THE PEOPLE WHO RENT IT CURRENTLY, LIKE THE STUDENTS IN OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM WHO MAY ONLY NEED A PLACE FOR ONE NIGHT AT THE MOMENT.
I WILL SAY, UM, COUNCILMAN WOODS' COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT, UM, MS. COOK HAS DONE WITH THE TRELLIS AND AL ALSO THE OLIVE BRANCH.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE DEFINITELY TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT, UM, THAT SHE IS TRYING AND TRUE PROVEN THAT SHE, YOU KNOW, IMPROVED THE LOOK OF THAT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING IF, IF, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD, IF, IF WITH ANY, ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO, UM, IMPROVE ONE OF THESE, UH, PROPERTIES OR MOTELS, HOTELS THAT, THAT, UM, THAT ARE IN NEED OF IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WHAT IS THE, UM, WHAT IS THE OCCUPANCY? DO YOU KNOW THE OCCUPANCY RIGHT NOW, THE AVERAGE OCCUPANCY OF THE HOTEL? I CAN FIND THAT OUT.
I SENT YOU AN EMAIL, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK YOU SAID ARE WE, ARE WE ALLOWED TO CHIME IN ON THAT? I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY OTHER THAN WHAT I SAID, WHICH IS, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS SESSION IS INFORMATIONAL FACT FINDING, ET CETERA.
WHAT YOU DON'T WANT IT TO GET INTO IS, IS A DISCUSSION OF THE MERITS.
IT'S ABOUT THE ZONING REQUEST IN FRONT OF US.
THEREFORE, PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT I SUPPORT ARE FOR THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY, DISCUSSION OF THE MERITS SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR THE ACTUAL REGULAR MEETING IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL OBSERVE MY COMMENTS FOR THE, SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONFORMANCE,
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THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IN OUR PACKET.UM, ALL THE DIFFERENT LITTLE THINGS THAT YOU ALL SAID.
UM, AND I, I DID FIND IT INTERESTING THAT IT SAID SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT ON VACANT PROPERTIES OR REDEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTIES THAT HAVE FALLEN INTO DISRE DISREPAIR, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE MAIN STREET CORRIDOR.
AND SO I GET, I GUESS, AND, AND THAT CAME FROM THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX THAT WE HAVE IN THE BACK OF THE PLANT.
NO, I KNOW, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, ARE WE SUGGESTING THAT AT CURRENT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS FALLEN INTO DISREPAIR? SINCE WE PUT THAT IN THERE? WE HAVE NOT ISSUED ANY RIGHT LIMITATIONS, BUT WHEN I, WHEN I PUT THAT IN THERE, IT WAS JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT IN THE CONFERENCE PLAN, IT DOES CALL FOR REDEVELOPMENT AS RIGHT.
IT WAS THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN THAT WAS, UH, WONDERING IF THAT'S WHAT, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GOING BY.
UM, STAFF BELIEVES THIS PROJECT ISN'T COMPLIANT OR IN AGREEANCE WITH THE CONFERENCE PLAN.
SO THAT'S WHY THE PORTIONS OF THE COMP OR THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX WERE ADDED INTO THAT STUFF.
IS IT, WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN ANSWER THIS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, INFORMATIONALLY, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO, UH, KNOW WHAT THE PROSPECT WAS OF THE BUSINESS PLAN.
SHOULD IT CONTINUE TO BE A, A MOTEL? IN OTHER WORDS, AS HE'S SEEING, IS THE OWNER SEEING THAT THE, UM, THAT'S NOT A QUESTION YOU SHOULD WE, WE THAT'S FINE.
NO, GEORGE IS NOT, NOT, IT'S, THIS IS, THIS IS TO EXPAND ON THE APPLICATION TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS AND IF YOU HAVE, AND TO GET ANSWERS TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
UM, SO HER QUESTION'S, OKAY, SURE.
OTHER PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO THINK IT WASN'T.
THAT'S HOW I WAS, LIKE GEORGE WAS SAYING.
YEAH, I MEAN, BECAUSE I, I THINK FOR A CONSIDERATION OF A, A CHANGE, I MEAN, AND THIS WOULD BE FOR ANY BUSINESS.
IF I, IF I OWNED, IF I OWNED A CAR WASH AND I FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, CAR WASHES, EVERYBODY STOPS USING THEM, YOU KNOW, OR THEY HAVE CHANGED.
NOW, YOU KNOW, IN THE CASE OF, OF MOTELS AND HOTELS, WHAT WE'RE SEEING ARE AIRBNBS OR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, CHOOSE NICER PLACES.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THIS ISN'T GETTING USED, BUT ALL I'M SAYING IS, IS IF YOU ARE A BUSINESS OWNER AND YOU'RE FINDING THE PROSPECT OF YOUR BUSINESS NOT GOING TO BE CONSISTENT IN THE FUTURE.
SO MY QUESTION IS, I WOULD BE CURIOUS AS TO WHAT HE SEES FOR THE FUTURE OF THE PROPERTY IF IT CONTINUED TO BE A MOTEL OR HOTEL.
AND I, I THINK IT, I THINK THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR HIM TO SPEAK TO.
SO AT THE PUBLIC HEARING HE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS THAT.
AND AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, YOU GUYS KNOW THIS, BUT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, WHEN WE ENTERTAIN THIS AFTER THE SUMMARY, UM, THE APPLICANT GETS TO SPEAK AND THE PUBLIC WILL SPEAK AND THEN THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK AGAIN, UM, BEFORE, UH, BEFORE THERE'S A MOTION MADE.
SO THAT, SO MAYBE THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT, AND COUNSEL CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME.
SO THOSE MIGHT BE, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO ASK THAT QUESTION AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE PREPARED, PROBABLY WILL, SINCE THEY CAN HEAR THIS.
WAYNE, VICE MAYOR, I LIVE BEHIND
JUST WE DRIVE BY EVERY NIGHT AND THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION? OKAY.
I DON'T, SO I'M ASSUMING EVERYBODY'S READY FOR IT TO GO TO PUBLIC HEARING.
SO ON THE 24TH, WE'LL, WE'LL PUT THIS DOWN.
SO THE NEXT ITEM ACTUALLY GOES IN LINE WITH THIS ONE.
UM, AND IT'S ABOUT THE PARKING.
SO THIS PIECE IS THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, UM, FROM THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT THE TOWN CODE REQUIRES THE PARKING SPACES TO BE 10 BY 20 IN SIZE, UM, FOR APARTMENT USES.
HOWEVER, THE OTHER USES ANY OTHER USE IN TOWN.
IT'S ONLY REQUIRED TO BE A MINIMUM SIZE OF NINE FOOT BY 18.
SO CURRENTLY THEY HAVE NINE FOOT BY 18 FOOT SPACES.
SO THE REQUEST HERE IS THAT THEY BE PERMITTED TO USE THE NINE BY 18 FOOT SPACES.
AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE THE REQUIREMENT
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THAT, UM, UH, THE SETBACK WOULD BE 30 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IN YOUR PACKETS YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THAT ELIMINATES MOST OF THE USABLE PARKING SPACES.SO THEY ARE REQUESTING RELIEF FROM THAT AS WELL.
UM, THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE TO JUST USE THE PARKING LOT AS MINIMAL RENOVATIONS TO IT.
SO THEY'D BE RI OF COURSE THEY'RE GONNA LOSE, THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE.
UM, BUT THE DRY AISLES AND THE TRAFFIC PATTERN SHOULD STAY THE SAME.
AND THE PARKING FOR THE THAI RESTAURANT, WHICH IS NOT CHANGING, UM, IS GONNA REMAIN SEPARATE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR, UM, APPLICATION? COUNCILMAN WOOD? DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO OFFER FOR THE PARKING APPLICATION? FOR THE PARKING APPLICATION? WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF HE GOT CUT OFF BECAUSE HE JUST ASKED TO GET THAT.
YOU KNOW, SIGNALS COME AND GO.
UM, AS FAR AS THE PARKING, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD PUT A TIGHTER RESTRICTION ON THIS APPLICANT WITH, WITH, UH, APARTMENTS.
AGAIN, WE GO BACK TO OUR PARKING ORDINANCES AND SUCH.
IT ONLY APPLIES TO APARTMENTS.
THIS PROPERTY HAS FUNCTIONED FOR 60 PLUS YEARS, UH, WITH PLENTY OF PARKING BEING NINE BY 18 INSTEAD OF 10 BY 20.
AND AS FAR AS THAT SETBACK, AGAIN, THERE'S NO HOUSES IMMEDIATELY THERE.
YOU GOT STONE, UH, UH, UH, STONEWALL JACKSON AND YOU GOT THE HILL.
I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD IMPOSE A SETBACK ON THIS APPLICANT.
IT SEEMS RATHER ARBITRARY THAT WE WOULD DECIDE TO DO THAT GIVEN THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNCTIONED FOR ALL THESE YEARS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR LAUREN.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A CONDITION THAT, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS EXCEPTION ONLY COMES UP IF, IF THE SUV'S GRANTED AND I'M NOT SEEING THAT.
DIDN'T, DIDN'T THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT CONDITION? I THINK THAT WAS IN THERE.
I'LL HAVE TO PULL WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION SIGNED AND FORWARD IT OVER TO COUNCIL THEN.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST INHERENT IN IT.
I THOUGHT WE COULDN'T DO THE PARKING TILL AFTER WE DID THE SPECIAL.
YEAH, WELL, WELL IT STILL NEEDS TO BE AN EXPLICIT CONDITION AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT CAME OUTTA PLANNING COMMISSION.
YEAH, I'LL WRITE THAT ON THE, AND THE PARKING WOULDN'T EVEN COME UP UNTIL, OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST THING IS ZOOM.
BUT THEN ALSO THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS, GET EVERYTHING ELSE SIGNED OFF ON BY THE COUNTY OCCUPANCY AND ALL THAT STUFF BEFORE THE PARKING WOULD EVEN, 'CAUSE YOU COULDN'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
WELL, RIGHT NOW PARKING PARKING IS WHAT LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING NOW.
YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET THE BREAK BEFORE THEY DO.
NO, THE PARKING IS, IS LEGAL JUST BECAUSE THAT USE DOESN'T REQUIRE THE LARGER PARKING SPACES, SO OH, OKAY.
ONCE YOU DO THE APPROVAL FOR THIS.
BUT IT'S ALSO LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING CURRENTLY YEAH, THE CURRENT USE.
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NEED THE SETBACK.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S, WELL THEN, SO YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
BUT YEAH, I SAID THAT'S, YEAH.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR THIS APPLICATION? NO.
ARE WE GOOD? SO WE'VE PUT THIS FOR THE 24TH.
UM, LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST IS ITEM THREE C, WHICH IS THE BUDGET AMENDMENT AND FUND TRANSFER DISCUSSION.
A FEW WEEKS AGO I CAME TO COUNCIL, UH, REGARDING A, A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE AND
UM, UH, THE, UH, UH, TRANSPORTATION FUNDS, OH, TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE FUNDS, UM, FOR THE WEST ER SIDEWALK PROJECT.
UH, CURRENTLY ESTIMATED AT, UH, ROUGHLY $3.1 MILLION.
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INCLUDES INFLATION BECAUSE OF THE $3.1 MILLION.UM, AND THAT INCLUDES THE INFLATION BECAUSE THE FUNDS WOULDN'T COME, UH, FULLY COME THROUGH FOR A FEW YEARS.
UH, THE, UH, IF APPROVED, IF WE GOT APPROVES IT HERE IN JUNE, UH, TIM WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR 20% OF THE PROJECT, UH, ROUGHLY $629,000.
UH, SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING NOW IS TO PUT THE FUNDS ASIDE, SET THE FUNDS ASIDE, UH, TO HELP, UH, HAVE THE FUNDS NECESSARY FOR THE, UH, WESTRA SIDEWALK PROJECT.
HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND SO I WAS GONNA ASK MR. WALTZ JUST TO KINDA GIVE COUNSEL, UM, A LITTLE UPDATE ON THIS.
I KNOW YOU GUYS SAW THIS IN HIS, UM SURE.
TOWN MANAGER REPORT, BUT THIS, WE COUNSEL WAS NOT AWARE OF THIS, UH, THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED IT.
THIS ACTUALLY CAME OUT OF OUR MARCH OF 23 RETREAT.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
AND IN PARTICULAR, THAT CONVERSATION LED TO WEST ER ROAD, WHICH WE KNEW WE HAD A PROBLEM.
UH, AFTER COUNSEL PUT THAT AS A PRIORITY, WE HAD AN ENGINEER DO COST ESTIMATES FOR, UH, SIDEWALK ALONG WEST ER FROM LARAY ALL THE WAY UP TO THREE 40.
THOSE, UH, THAT IS COST ESTIMATES FOR DONE BY MADISON CRAIG, A CONSULTANT ENGINEERING FIRM THAT WE HIRED.
UH, THAT PRICE CAME IN OVER $7 MILLION.
WHEN WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE TAPS GRANT, WHICH IS A FEDERAL FUNDED GRANT THAT WOULD FUND 80% OF THIS PROJECT.
THEY HAD SOME LIMITATIONS ON THAT.
SO WE ENDED UP BREAKING THE PROJECT INTO TWO PHASES.
THE FIRST PHASE WAS FROM LARAY TO SKYLINE VISTA, AND THEN FROM SKYLINE VISTA TO THREE 40.
WHAT WE FEEL, I FEEL THE STAFF FEEL, IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE RIGHT NOW IS SKYLINE VISTA UP TO THREE 40.
THERE CURRENTLY IS NO SAFE PASSAGE FOR SCHOOL CHILDREN OR ANY OTHER PEDESTRIAN TO MAKE IT UP TO THREE 40 AND SEVEN 11.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE FOCUSED ON, WE SUBMITTED IN THE TAP THE TAPS PROGRAM FOR THAT PROJECT, UH, FOR THAT WEST REER FROM SKYLINE VISTA THREE 40.
WHEN VDOT EVALUATED OUR COST ESTIMATES, THEY ELEVATED OUR COST ESTIMATES, WHICH WAS 2.6 MILLION.
THEY ESTIMATED BECAUSE OF INFLATION AND OTHER THINGS AND THE TIMING OF THE PROJECT, THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR 3.1 MILLION.
SO THAT IS WHERE WE GOT TODAY.
THIS IS A BIG WIN FOR FRONT ROYAL.
80% OF THAT 3.1 MILLION IS A BIG WIN.
AND I AM REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS AND GETTING STARTED ON THIS.
BUT THIS IS, AND SO WE DIDN'T KNOW WHEN COUNCIL ENTERTAINED THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO, WE WERE UNAWARE OF THIS AWARD OF PROCESS.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DIVERT THESE FUNDS FOR THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS PROJECT COME TRUE.
SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY A GOAL FROM LAST YEAR.
SO MIGHT HAVE TAKEN US A LITTLE WHILE, BUT WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS.
UM, I KNOW ONE THING THAT WE'VE SHARED WITH, UH, THIS COUNCIL THAT HAPPENED, UM, I GUESS IT WAS WHEN COUNCILMAN MORRIS AND I WERE ON COUNCIL, UM, WE HAD, WE WERE SETTING SOME MONEY ASIDE FOR PAVING.
UM, AND RIGHT AT THE SAME TIME THEY CAME IN WITH THE EIGHTH, PUT THE EIGHTH STREET IN THE, THIS IS VERY COMMON.
WITH THE, WITH THE EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE AND, UM, SAID, OKAY, YOU CAN GET THE MONEY, BUT YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH THIS AMOUNT.
AND IT LITERALLY TOOK THE WHOLE AMOUNT ALMOST.
SO, UM, SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, GOOD NEWS THAT WE HAVE SOME MONEY, RIGHT? BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE WOULD BE HAVING TO COME UP WITH 630,000 ALMOST.
UM, THAT WE ALL KNOW FROM ALL OF OUR BUDGET WORK IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF, THERE'S NOT $630,000 LAYING AROUND SOMEWHERE.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE THIS THAT WE COULD, SO ANYWAY, COUNCIL'S, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.
IT SEEMS, UM, IRONIC THAT, YOU KNOW, THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DON'T GET IN A HURRY FOR ANYONE OR ANYTHING AND THEY MOVE VERY SLOWLY.
AND THE MULTIPLE TIMES THIS HAS HAPPENED WHILE I WAS, YOU KNOW, STUDYING AND DOING MY HOMEWORK TO RUN FOR COUNCIL.
AND THEN SINCE I'VE BEEN ELECTED THAT WHEN THEY ARE READY TO MOVE, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO JUMP
AND SO IT'S JUST BEEN REALLY FORTUNATE THAT THE LAST COUPLE OF TIMES THIS HAS HAPPENED, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REALLOCATE AND COME UP WITH THAT.
AND I THINK, UM, AS JOE MENTIONED, SKYLINE VISTA AT THREE 40 MAKES SO MUCH SENSE BECAUSE WHILE THE BIKE PATH FROM LURAY AVENUE TO SKYLINE VISTA ISN'T MUCH, IT'S SOMETHING, UM, I ACTUALLY JUST CAME TO COUNCIL FROM SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL TONIGHT AND IT'S NOTHING ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
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BACK UP TOWARDS THREE 40.AND WE ALREADY HAVE REALLY NICE SIDEWALKS ON THREE 40.
SO IT WOULD TIE INTO WHAT'S ALREADY EXISTING THERE.
UM, AND I KNOW WHEN I WENT TO SKYLINE, 'CAUSE I THINK I'M THE FIRST TALK ON COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, I WAS, I HAD EARLY OUT I WOULD WALK TO SEVEN 11 AND GET SNACKS OR DRINKS OR WHATEVER.
AND I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY MUCH WHEN IT WAS ME AS A TEENAGER.
BUT I'M A MOM TO THREE KIDS NOW AND IT MATTERS A LOT MORE.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY EXPRESSED THAT SIDEWALKS, WALKABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY, AND TRANSPORTATION WERE BIG, UH, PRIORITIES OF OURS.
SO IT'S ALMOST JUST IRONIC THAT WE WOULD HAVE ALMOST EXACTLY WHAT WE NEEDED THAT IT KEEP TOWARDS THIS PROJECT.
IT'S A LITTLE SHORT COUPLE TIME, NOT, NOT AS MUCH AS WE WOULD'VE BEEN
AND IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT SOME OF THE OTHER IDEAS THAT COUNCIL TALKED ABOUT A FEW WEEKS AGO, BECAUSE LIKE, UM, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT FUNDING FOR FREEDOM, LIKE I THOUGHT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT HAD A LOT OF MERIT TO IT.
UM, THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED, BUT LIKE I SAID, I I, YOU DON'T KNOW TO, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.
AND NOW WE'VE, WE'VE GOT THIS OPPORTUNITY, BUT NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IT'S LIFE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN THE STARS AND THE PLAINTIFFS ALIGN, YOU GOT AJO AND UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE STATE MUST HAVE SAW OUR COUNCIL WORK SESSION WHERE THEY SAW WE HAD ADDITIONAL REVENUE IN OUR BUDGET
SO ANYBODY ELSE WANNA OFFER TO COMMENTS ABOUT THIS OR, UM, COUNCILMAN WOOD, DID YOU WANNA OFFER ANYTHING ABOUT THIS TOPIC? NO, THANK YOU.
IT JUST, I'D LOVE TO FUND TERESA IN FAVOR OF THIS.
IT IS A, IT'S A, UM, IT'S LIKE CHECKING LITTLE THINGS OFF.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT WAS, LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS A GOAL LAST YEAR AND STILL OBVIOUSLY FOR SEVERAL.
BUT I'M SAYING THAT THAT WAS ONE WE ACTUALLY WERE VERY VERBAL ABOUT LAST YEAR AND YOU KNOW, WAS PIPE, LOOK AT THE, EVERYTHING TAKES MONEY, PROSPECTS, STREET BRIDGE, YOU KNOW.
THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT BACK WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE.
I THINK THE REPAIRS HAVE DONE IT MAY HAVE MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
YOU, MAYBE ONE DAY WE WILL, WE WILL GET, UH, SHOT AT, UH, OF RUNNING A SIDEWALK OUT TO THE, UH, SKATE PARK.
WELL MAYBE IF WE PUT THAT DOWN AS A GOAL AND HAVE LITTLE EXTRA MONEY, THE STATE WILL COME IN.
SO WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY? I JUST WANTED TO COMMENCE STAFF BECAUSE COUNSEL CAME UP WITH THE IDEA AND DIRECTION AND I DIRECTED STAFF AND STAFF DID A SMASH UP JOB, GETTING THE PRELIMINARIES, FILLING OUT THESE GRANT APPLICATIONS.
THESE GRANT APPLICATIONS, EVEN AT A FEDERAL LEVEL ARE CUMBERSOME.
SO I COMMEND STAFF FOR THEIR DUE DILIGENCE BECAUSE IT WAS THEIR WORK THAT GOT US TO THIS POINT.
SO YOU MAKE SURE YOU THANK THEM FOR US TOO.
WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE SAY THAT PUBLICLY, UH, AT THE MEETING.
BUT IT'S, BUT YOU'LL GET TO, YOU'LL GET TO THEM SOONER THAN US.
SO I JUST WANTED TO OFFER AN AD THAT ALSO JOSH SITS ON THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE WITH ME AND AS MUCH AS I WANTED TO FREE, FUND FREE BEFORE I WAS EVEN ON COUNCIL, SIDEWALKS AND ACCESSIBILITY TIE INTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PLACES LOOK AT WHEN THEY COME INTO A TOWN.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IT WILL ABSOLUTELY HELP THE IMPROVEMENT OF THAT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR BJ? SO, I MEAN, WE STILL ACTUALLY HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS AND WE CAN ALL SIT HERE AND NOD OUR ENDS NOW, BUT, UM, JUNE 24TH, WE WOULD, UM, AND I'M ASSUMING JOE, THAT THAT MONEY WOULD JUST BASICALLY STAY UNTIL WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, SO I, WE WON'T HAVE TO DO A, WE WON'T HAVE TO MOVE IT INTO NEXT YEAR'S MONEY, WOULD WE? WELL, EVENTUALLY, WHEN WE DO THE CARRY OVER PURCHASE ORDERS LIKE WE DO EVERY YEAR, THIS WILL BE PART OF IT.
BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAD SAID THAT BEFORE.
IF WE DIDN'T ALL ALLOW FOR IT NOW, WE'D HAVE TO MOVE IT INTO NEXT YEAR AND IT'LL, IT'LL FILE THE PROCESS WITH THE OTHER FUNDS WE'RE CARING FOR, FOR OTHER PROJECTS.
JOE, DO YOU KNOW WHEN YOU SAID JUNE, THEY WOULD MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE AWARD IN JUNE? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN? UM, I DO.
I DON'T KNOW THE DAY OFF THE TOP OF THE HEAD.
I THINK IT'S SECOND OR THIRD WEEK IN JUNE.
THEY GOT PRELIMINARY APPROVAL, THEY'LL DO A FINAL VOTE AND IT'S, IT IS IN MID-JUNE.
ONCE I, I, I'LL, UH, I'LL LOOK IT UP AND PUT IT IN MY WEEKLY, EVEN BEFORE THE OPEN HOUSE.
AND IS THAT OKAY FOR THAT TO BE ON CONSENT OR WOULD YOU RATHER THAT BE A SINGLE BUSINESS ITEM? I'M OKAY.
I DON'T SEE WE HAVE DISCUSSION.
YEAH, I THINK EVERYBODY'S VERY
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GOOD.SO LESS THAN AN HOUR AND WE STARTED LATE TOO.