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PRESENT DIRECTOR AIDEN MILLER.
UM, MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, MEETINGS FROM LAST NIGHT.
OUR LAST MEETING'S MINUTES A SECOND.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
APPROVE THE MEETING FOR THE MINUTES FROM MAY 6TH.
UM, SO I ABSTAINED FROM LAST MEETING'S, APPROVAL OF MINUTES, VOTE, AND THEN ALSO FROM THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROJECT RECOMMENDATION VOTE.
SO, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT I DIDN'T THINK ANYONE WAS SAYING, BUT I CAN CHANGE IT.
AND THEN, YEAH, I MEAN, THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE TIME TO, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO SEE IF WE COULD MOVE TO A MORE FORMAL WAY OF VOTING, JUST BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT DOES GET CONFUSING WHETHER WE GO AROUND THE ROOM.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES WITH NESS RULES, YOU DO THAT.
OR IF YOU CALL SPECIFICALLY FOR IN FAVOR AGAINST ABSTAIN.
WE CAN EASILY DO ROLL CALL ON EVERY VOTE.
WE DON'T DO A LOT OF VOTES, SO NOT A PROBLEM.
EVERYBODY'S DOING THE ROLL CALL AND WE PROVIDE OUR ANSWER.
SO, UH, SO DO YOU NEED A MOTION WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS OR ARE YOU OKAY? IT WOULD BE WISE TO DO A MOTION ON THOSE AMENDMENTS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, CORRECT THE MINUTES TO WHAT AID AND STATE SECOND.
WHAT'S THAT? NO, WE'RE DOING A ROLL.
KNOW THAT NICK, UH, APPROVED, UM, THOMAS HELMAN APPROVED.
AIDEN MILLER APPROVED DAVID NEY APPROVED ROBERT ELLIOT.
SO MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
NOW, UH, WANNA MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS? WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY ASHLEY SCHICKEL.
YOU GUYS, WOULD IT BE OKAY IF ABSOLUTELY.
GO AHEAD OR I, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH SITTING IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU.
DEFINITELY A, A GOOD REPLACEMENT.
NOVAK
I'M THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM COORDINATOR FOR THE NORTHERN SHENANDOAH VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION.
HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE ROOM HAVE WORKED WITH THE REGIONAL COMMISSION OR KNOW WHO AND WHAT WE ARE? WE JUST KINDA LEARNED ABOUT A TWO MEETINGS AGO,
SO, UM, WE'RE A SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE.
STATE HAS 21 PLANNING DISTRICTS.
AND OUR JOB IS, UM, WELL, WE'RE GOVERNED BY A BOARD OF ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM ALL OF OUR MEMBER LOCALITIES.
SO WE SERVE WINCHESTER, FREDERICK COUNTY, CLARK, NANDO, WARREN PAGE, AND ALL OF THE TOWNS THERE IN, SO THERE'S A POPULATION LIMIT.
UM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A POPULATION OF AT LEAST 2,500 TO HAVE TO BECOME A MEMBER, UM, AND THEN ELECT OR APPOINT ELECTED OFFICIALS TO THE BOARD.
SO IF POPULATION IS UNDER 2,500, YOU STILL HAVE ACCESS TO OUR RESOURCES.
WE STILL PROVIDE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE WITH ALL OF OUR OTHER, UM, FUNCTIONS.
YOU JUST DON'T GET A, A VOTE AT THE TABLE.
SO IT'S THE ONLY, SO, UM, THE REGIONAL COMMISSION HAS, UM, 12 STAFF, AND WE ALL HAVE, FOR THE MOST PART, LIKE AN ASSIGNED FUNCTIONAL AREA.
UM, MINE IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE A GIS OR GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEMS EXPERT, UM, SOME LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLANNERS.
WE HAVE, UM, TRANSIT AND TRANSPORTATION.
WE MANAGE HAZARD MITIGATION, AND WE DO ALL OF THESE THINGS TO CREATE KIND OF EFFICIENCIES OR ECONOMIES OF SCALE.
SO, FOR INSTANCE, THE HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN IS, UM, REQUIRED BY FEMA AND TO, FOR ANY LOCALITY TO BE ABLE TO REQUEST OR RECEIVE PRE OR POST-DISASTER FUNDING.
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SO THESE PLANS ARE A, A BIG DEAL.WE JUST COMPLETED ONE THIS YEAR.
THERE'S ABOUT $40,000 WORTH OF DATA IN THERE.
IMAGINE IF EVERY SINGLE LOCALITY HAD TO HAVE ONE THEMSELVES.
IT COST ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO DO.
WE DID ONE FOR THE ENTIRE REGION FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
SO IT'S THE SAME WITH LOTS OF OTHER PROJECTS.
ANYTHING THAT IS NOT CONFINED TO MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES TO CREATE EFFICIENCIES THERE.
AND, UM, OR LOCALS PROVIDE TO TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FOR WHATEVER PROJECTS YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON IN ANY OF OUR FUNCTIONAL AREAS.
SO SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE MANAGE ARE THE HOME PROGRAM.
SO ANY PROJECTS THAT PROGRAMS THROUGH HUD TO REDUCE HOMELESSNESS.
I THINK WE HAVE PARTICIPATED IN SOME OF LOCAL ORAL STUDIES, TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE ON COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, UM, KIND OF ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND, UM, HERE TO SUPPORT YOU GUYS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COMMISSION ITSELF? WHAT IT IS AND WHAT WE DO? OH, GO AHEAD.
YEAH, I WOULD ASK, I MEAN, ARE, IS THERE, DO Y'ALL HAVE ACCESS TO GRANTS OR STATE FUNDING TO ASSIST IN HISTORICAL MATTERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OKAY.
SO, UM, GRANTS, OUR, A LOT OF OUR JOB IS TO GO OUT AND FIND MONEY, LEVERAGE AS MUCH STATE FEDERAL FUNDING AS POSSIBLE, AND SOMETIMES EVEN PRIVATE SECTOR, UM, AND NON-PROFIT FUNDING TO HELP YOU ALL ACHIEVE YOUR GOALS.
SO, UM, LOTS OF GRANTS OR PROJECT SPECIFIC, UM, HISTORICAL STUFF KIND OF FALLS IN THE REALM OF ECONOMIC AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, BOTH OF WHICH WE DO.
UM, SO WE DO NOT HAVE FUNDS, BUT WE GET A LOT OF MONEY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PASS THROUGH, UM, FROM FEDERAL AND STATE AGENCIES THROUGH THE COMMISSION BACK INTO THE COMMUNITIES.
SO WE DO FIND MONEY FOR PROJECTS.
ONE OF OUR, UM, ONE OF OUR STRENGTHS I WOULD SAY.
SO, UM, GRANTS ARE PROJECT SPECIFIC A LOT OF TIMES.
SO MAYBE DETAILS ON THE PROJECT, UM, OR THE GOAL OR OUTCOME THAT YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE.
AND THEN WE CAN LOOK FOR A FUNDING SOURCE.
UM, WE CAN HELP YOU CONNECT DIRECTLY WITH THE FUNDING AGENCY.
WE CAN HELP WITH GRANT PREPARATION, AND WE CAN ALSO MANAGE BE THE FISCAL AGENT OR THE FIDUCIARY ON THAT GRANT, IF THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO YOU, DO YOU HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF SUCCESSFUL FUNDING, UH, PROJECTS THAT YOU TOOK ON? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
SO FOR, UM, GEEZ, IN THE LAST SIX YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN WITH THE COMMISSION, UM, I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY AWARDED PROBABLY MORE THAT I CAN COUNT, LET'S SAY 15 PROJECT, UM, TOTALING MORE THAN 14 MILLION IN PUBLIC, PRIVATE, NON-PROFIT AND LOCAL INVESTMENT.
UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
DIFFERENT PROGRAMS LIKE, UM, SMALL BUSINESS SUPPORT, THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR THE PURCHASE OF EQUIPMENT OR CONSTRUCTION FOR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. LAUREL RIDGE COMMUNITY COLLEGE WAS A BENEFICIARY OF TWO GRANTS, BUT I WORKED ON RECENTLY, UM, ARE YOU GUYS FAMILIAR WITH, WELL, THEY JUST CHANGED THEIR NAME.
THE SHENANDOAH COMMUNITY CAPITAL FUND? NO.
THEY ARE, UM, AN ENTRE ENTREPRENEURIAL SUPPORT ORGANIZATION.
SO THEY PROVIDE SERVICES DIRECTLY TO SMALL BUSINESSES AND ENTREPRENEURS, UM, WORKED ON THAT WITH THEM ON A $1.2 MILLION PROJECT TO DEVELOP PROGRAMMING TO SUPPORT, UM, SMALL BUSINESSES AND ENTREPRENEURS FROM WINCHESTER TO LEXINGTON.
WHAT WAS THAT NAME? UM, SCCF, SHENANDOAH COMMUNITY CAPITAL FUND.
SO ASHLEY, I WANT TO THANK YOU AND THE COMMISSION FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS COMMISSION, UH, DOES A LOT OF GOOD EFFORT BY PULLING A LOT OF COMMUNITY TOGETHER, LIKE HAZARD MITIGATION AND WORKING ON THE SOLID WASTE ISSUE.
SO THESE ARE WHAT, WHAT THEY REALLY ADDRESS ARE GLOBAL ISSUES THAT AFFECT MULTIPLE COMMUNITIES.
AND THEY'RE THAT RESOURCE ARM, LIKE, LIKE SHE SAID, THERE'S LIKE 2021 OF THEM THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
SO IT'S A WAY FOR THEM TO GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THEIR BUCK AND ADDRESS COMMUNITY NEEDS.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN, UH, A LIFESAVER IN A LOT OF AREAS.
WE WISH YOU WERE MORE AREAS, BUT, UH, WITH THE LIMITED STAFF YOU HAVE.
UM, SO WE MAY NOT BE AN EXPERT.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT A HISTORICAL, UM, PLACES EXPERT, BUT, UM, WE FIND WAYS TO EDUCATE AS NEEDED.
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UM, WE CROSS TRAIN ACROSS ALL THE STAFF, UM, AS MUCH AS WE NEED.WE'VE ALSO DONE SOME UNIQUE STUFF LIKE THE CHANO VALLEY TOURISM PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'RE INVOLVED IN.
UM, ASHLEY HELPS US WITH SOME OF THE FINANCIAL PIECE OF IT BECAUSE WE ARE ALL JUST VOLUNTEER PARTNERS IN THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.
SO, UM, N-S-V-R-C ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION AS AN ORGANIZATION WITHOUT HAVING, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PAID STAFF, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE, WE SIMPLY PARTNER WITH THEM AND THEY ALLOW US TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO AWARD CONTRACTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO UTILIZE THEIR PROCUREMENT, UM, RULES AND REGULATIONS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF WHEN WE DO IT.
THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF OUR, JUST US BEING A FISCAL AGENT FOR A PROJECT OR PROGRAM.
SO I DID NOT MENTION THE COMPREHENSIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY YET.
I JUST REALLY QUICKLY WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT JUST LIKE WITH THE HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN, UM, WE MANAGE ANOTHER REGIONAL PLAN, SHORT TERM.
WE CALL IT A SAID, IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY.
AND WE MAINTAIN THIS PLAN BECAUSE WE ARE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THIS IS LIKE ALPHABET VOMIT TALKING ABOUT THIS PROGRAM
BUT, UM, WE MAINTAIN A SAID BECAUSE WE'RE AN EDD AND OTHERWISE, WITHOUT THIS DESIGNATION AND THIS PLAN, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ACCESS FEDERAL FUNDING FROM THE EDA.
UM, SO THIS IS AN UPDATE YEAR.
I HAVE WORKED WITH WARREN COUNTY AND FRONT ROYAL ALONG WITH ALL OF OUR OTHER, UM, JURISDICTIONS TO DO A SWOT ANALYSIS.
UM, WE, I DID A MASSIVE DATA REPORT.
WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT SOME DATA TODAY, UM, IN THE MIDDLE OF UPDATING THAT DATA BECAUSE AS SOON AS YOU COMPILE A HUNDRED PAGE DATA REPORT, NEW DATA IS AVAILABLE.
SO, UM, WE LIKE TO KEEP THAT AS UP TO DATE AS POSSIBLE.
SO THE END GOAL OF THIS IS TO DEVELOP A PLAN FOR THE REGION, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, REGIONAL AND LOCAL STRATEGIES TO SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WHERE, UM, AND WE'RE SPECIFICALLY GONNA FOCUS ON THOSE ITEMS WHERE WE CAN LEVERAGE FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDING, UM, AGAINST LOCAL AND OR PRIVATE INVESTMENTS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, CREATE EFFICIENCIES AND, AND BIGGER ROI.
SO, AND ASHLEY, ALL OF THESE GUYS HAVE A COPY OF THE CURRENT SAID.
UM, SHOW OF HANDS, IF YOU WOULD NOT LIKE, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE REVIEW OF THAT PLAN? WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO JUST PUT EYES ON IT, UM, AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT YOUR INTERESTS ARE REPRESENTED IN THE PLAN WHERE THEY FIT.
SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF THAT IN ANY WAY, JUST LET LIZZIE KNOW AND LIZZIE WILL PUT ME IN CONTACT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
UM, WE'VE HAD OVER 115 STAKEHOLDERS PARTICIPATE.
AND WE GET A REALLY, UM, DIVERSE MIX ELECTED, UM, APPOINTED STAFF, UM, FROM DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS WITHIN LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
WE GET A LOT OF PRIVATE SECTOR INPUT, UM, NONPROFITS, EDUCATION, THE SHENANDOAH UNIVERSITY, THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, INVESTORS AND DEVELOPERS, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO, UM, WHAT IS THE TIME, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME LOOKING LIKE HERE? UM, I MEAN, OUR OLD BUSINESS IS RELATIVELY SHORT.
WITHOUT ANY CONSIDERATION FOR ANYTHING TOO BIG ON OPEN DISCUSSION, I'D SAY YOU COULD GO FOR ANOTHER 30 MINUTES IF YOU WANTED TO.
IF YOU FEEL LIKE LISTENING, WE CAN.
UM, SO I ASKED LIZZIE TO, TO PRINT THESE OUT FOR YOU GUYS.
UM, WE PAY FOR A SUBSCRIPTION TO TOMORROW'S JOB ZQ AND JOB ZQ IS A FANTASTIC DATABASE THAT AGGREGATES ALL OF THOSE, UM, CENSUS SURVEYS AND, UM, AND THE CENSUS.
UM, AND, UM, QUARTERLY CENSUS OF EMPLOYMENT AND WAGES, LOTS OF DIFFERENT DATA AND AGGREGATES IT TO A REALLY EASY TO USE, UM, DASHBOARD.
SO I CAN SEARCH BY PLACE AND HAVE SOME COMPARISON REGIONS AND IT SPITS OUT THIS PROFILE, UM, THAT I CAN REFERENCE IN PLANS OR THAT WE CAN LOOK AT FOR DECISION.
SO I JUST PULLED A VERY BASIC, UM, ECONOMIC OVERVIEW AND I CHOSE, UM, WARREN COUNTY AND THE REGIONAL COMMISSION FOOTPRINT AS KIND OF THOSE COMPARISON REGIONS.
UM, THIS IS REALLY THE MAJORITY OF THE DATA THAT WE WILL REFERENCE WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO TELL THE STORY ABOUT, UM,
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THE ECONOMY OR A PLACE.AND THEN THERE'S OTHER PIECES, UM, OTHER THINGS YOU MIGHT LOOK AT.
YOU MIGHT THINK AS YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, SKIMMING THROUGH HERE, OH, I DON'T SEE THIS.
WE MIGHT LOOK AT, UM, THE PERCENTAGE OF REAL ESTATE THAT IS VACANT COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE THAT IS VACANT.
WE MIGHT LOOK AT, UM, HOW MUCH OF AN AREA IS GREEN SPACE OR TOURIST TRAFFIC.
AND, AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED.
BUT HERE WE CAN SEE SOME, UM, DEMOGRAPHIC METRICS, SOME ECONOMIC ED, EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT, UM, EMPLOYMENT OCCUPATIONS, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO, DO YOU GUYS WANNA, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN THIS? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA GO THROUGH AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT? YEAH.
SO I, WELL, WE'LL STICK WITH THIS.
I PULL, I MADE SOME OTHER TABLES AND CHARTS AND THINGS, BUT THIS IS EASIER 'CAUSE EVERYBODY HAS IT.
SO SOME THINGS THAT I REALLY LOVE, UM, ASIDE FROM YOUR TOTAL POPULATION UNDER ECONOMIC IS LABOR FORCE PARTICIPATION AND, UM, CRIME AGE, LABOR FORCE PARTICIPATION.
AND THIS GIVES US KIND OF PART OF THIS STORY.
UM, SOMETHING WE LIKE TO LOOK AT BESIDE ON UNEMPLOYMENT RATE.
SO UNEMPLOYMENT ONLY COUNTS THOSE THAT ARE COLLECTING UI OR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE.
UM, AND THIS IS BASICALLY TELLING US THESE TWO NUMBERS RIGHT HERE.
SO OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE IN FRONT ROYAL THAT ARE BETWEEN THE AGES OF 25 AND 54, 82 0.9% OF THEM ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE LABOR FORCE.
THEY ARE EITHER EMPLOYED OR COLLECTING UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE.
SO 82, UM, 0.9 IS VERY GOOD FOR A, FOR A PLACE.
UM, IT IS IN LINE WITH THE REGION ON THE WHOLE.
AND THEN WHAT YOU MIGHT DO, UM, AS YOU GUYS CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THIS STUFF AND COMPARE TO OTHER REGIONS, YOU MIGHT ESTABLISH, UM, SOME COMPARISON REGIONS THAT YOU GUYS REALLY LIKE.
I LOOKED AT, UM, PLACES WITH SIMILAR AREA IN TERMS OF LIKE SQUARE MILEAGE FOR A PLACE, UM, SIM SIMILAR POPULATION NUMBERS.
UM, SO YOU MIGHT LOOK AT DENSITY AND FIND OTHER PLACES THAT YOU MIGHT COMPARE YOURSELF TO AND, AND SEE HOW YOU'RE DOING.
AND THAT WOULD BE KIND OF SPECIFIC TO WHATEVER YOU GUYS LIKE.
IS THERE A WAY TO MEASURE, ASHLEY, HOW MANY ARE WORKING IN YOUR TOWN OR YOUR COUNTY VERSUS HOW MANY ARE COMMUTING ELSEWHERE? UM, YES AND WE'LL SEE IF, DID I GET AHEAD OF THINGS? YEAH.
WELL, JUST A LITTLE BIT AND WE CAN, WE CAN GET THERE.
SO, UM, YOUR MEAN COMMUTE TIME, IT, THIS IS PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN FRONT ROYAL, UM, 33.3 MINUTES AND THEN IN WARREN COUNTY AT 40.1.
SO WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS A LONGER COMMUTING, THOSE INDIVIDUALS WITH A LONGER COMMUTE ARE LIVING IN THE COUNTY.
UM, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT PEOPLE FROM FROM ROYAL ARE NOT COMMUTING OUT TO NORTHERN VIRGINIA, BUT MORE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE LIVING IN THE COUNTY, UM, VERY LOW.
NONE THAT SAYS NONE ARE COMMUTING VIA PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
BUT YOU'LL FIND, UM, MAYBE AS YOU START DOING SOME RESEARCH YOURSELF THAT MAYBE THIS IS NOT, UM, THIS IS SELF-IDENTIFIED AND IT'S THROUGH THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY.
SO THE COUNTS CAN, CAN BE OFF A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S NOT, THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT NO ONE IS USING YOUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, JUST A VERY LOW PERCENTAGE THAT MIGHT BE USING IT FOR WORK.
THIS IS A SURVEY THAT ANYBODY CAN PARTICIPATE IN CALLED THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY.
AND I THINK IT'S SENT OUT, LIKE I'VE ONLY EVER ONCE IN MY LIFE BEEN ASKED TO COMPLETE AN AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY.
IT'S DISTRIBUTED THROUGH THE MAIL.
SO COMPARED TO THE REGION, SOME THINGS OF WE LOOK UNDER EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT COMPARED TO THE REGION.
ON THE WHOLE, A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF FOLKS IN FRONT ROYAL BETWEEN THE AGES OF 25 AND 64 HAVE, UM, NO HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA.
A HIGHER PERCENTAGE HAVE, UM, HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA AS THEIR TOP EDUCATION.
SO 38% ACHIEVED A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA AND THEN NO FURTHER EDUCATION WHERE IT'S ONLY 33.9% IN THE REGION AS A WHOLE.
AND THEN THERE'S NOTHING THERE FOR TECHNICAL TRAINING,
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SOME COLLEGE, UM, NO DEGREE.AND WE, SO WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, THOSE THAT DID NOT FINISH.
AND THEN, LET'S SEE, THAT IS SOMETHING I CAN SEE IS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE RECEIVING CREDENTIALS OR CERTIFICATIONS.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN, CAN LOOK UP.
UM, THERE'S SOME MIGHT BE SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT EDUCATION.
EXPECTED GROWTH RATES FOR OCCUPATIONS.
UM, SOME COLLEGE DEGREE, ALL LEVELS.
UM, POST-SECONDARY DEGREE, NON-DEGREE AWARD.
SO POST-SECONDARY NON-DEGREE AWARD WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE, UM, A CREDENTIAL.
AND THIS IS SHOWING GROWTH, JOB GROWTH, SOMETHING LIKE, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, YEAH, LIKE IF SOMEONE'S IN A TRADE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY MIGHT HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, HE MIGHT BE A MASTER ELECTRICIAN BUT MAY NOT HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE.
NOT SPEAKING
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY I WAS SORT OF WONDERING ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN ALSO, I, I NOTICED ON THIS FIRST PAGE, THERE'S NOTHING FOR RETIRED.
AND YOU COULD SORT OF EXTRAPOLATE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGES 65 AND OVER AND, AND YOU COME UP WITH ROUGHLY 17% THAT YOU COULD ADD TO THAT 65 AND SAY, YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? AND THAT WAY YOU GET A SORT OF A SENSE OF WHO'S NOT PARTICIPATING.
UM, SO LET'S, WE DID A COUPLE THINGS HERE.
NO, I, I'M, THOSE ARE QUESTIONS I'M SORT OF, YEAH.
I'M NOT REALLY ASKING THEM AS A QUESTION, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M WONDERING, OKAY, SO I'M GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT SOME COLLEGE NO DEGREE, THE DEFINITION OF THAT METRIC AND MAKE SURE THAT IT INCLUDES CREDENTIALS.
BUT YOUR ENROLLMENT AT LAUREL RIDGE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, WHETHER IT BE IN A WORKFORCE SOLUTIONS PROGRAM OR IN AN ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE PROGRAM, IS STILL AN ENROLLMENT AT BLUE RIDGE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
BUT IF YOU GO THE UNION ROUTE IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
SO THIS IS ONLY GOING, UM, THIS IS GOING UNDER EDUCATION.
IT'S GONNA COUNT THOSE THAT ARE REPORTED BY COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.
UM, I CAN, IF UNION IS, IT'S JUST THAT I, I'M JUST TRYING TO KIND OF GET A, YOU KNOW, A BETTER SENSE OF THIS.
'CAUSE I GUESS 64 JUST ISN'T A GREAT NUMBER FOR ME.
64% LABOR FORCE PARTS, OR WHAT DO YOU MEAN? 64? THE PARTICIPATION.
OKAY, SO THAT WAS QUESTION NUMBER TWO.
SO LABOR FORCE PARTICIPATION RATE, IF YOU LOOK AT LABOR FORCE PARTICIPATION RATE IN SIZE, CIVILIAN POPULATION OVER 16 YEARS OF AGE, THAT THAT'S LIKE 16 AND ALL THE WAY.
SO THIS DOES INCLUDE FOLKS WHO ARE RETIRED.
THE 64.5, RIGHT? IT IS, IT IS FAIRLY LOW, BUT IT'S KIND OF ACROSS THE REGION.
THESE WOULD BE PEOPLE AFTER COLLEGE AGE, 16.
64% OF PEOPLE 16 AND UP ARE, ARE PARTICIPATING.
AND THE REASON I REALLY LOVE THAT PRIME AGE LABOR FORCE PARTICIPATION IS BECAUSE IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD BE RETIRED.
WE DON'T WANNA LOOK AT THE RETIREMENT AGE POPULATION AND THINK, WELL WHY AREN'T YOU, YOU ARE NOT PARTICIPATING IN THE LABOR FORCE.
WE WANNA GO AHEAD AND CUT 'EM OUT AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE DONE THEIR TIME.
SO AND THOSE NUMBERS THAT ALMOST ADD UP YEAH.
IF YOU TAKE THE RETIRED OUT OF THE TOP PART.
SO IF YOU ADD THAT TO THAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH RIGHT THERE.
UM, PRIMARY, THE FIRST PARTICIPATION.
AND WE CAN, IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO DIG INTO IT, I CAN PULL, UM, EMPLOYMENT BY AGE AND WE CAN SEE HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS OVER THE AGE OF 65 ARE WORKING BY CHOICE OR BY NECESSITY.
IF THAT WAS SOMETHING YOU WERE INTERESTED IN DOING, WE CAN UM, WE CAN SEE THAT.
SO TOTAL, UM, THE NEXT ONE IS ON HOUSING.
THIS NEXT SECTION AND REAL QUICK, I'M SORRY.
UM, THIS IS FOR YOU ON MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME.
THE FOOTNOTE JUST MENTIONS THAT, UM, THEY MAY BE,
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UH, CALCULATED WITH THE WEIGHTED AVERAGES OF MEDIUM VALUES FROM COMPOSING COUNTIES FOR A CERTAIN LOCALITY.UM, BUT I'M WONDERING IF WITHOUT, SO THEY'RE PRESUMABLY NOT DOING THAT 'CAUSE FRONT ROYAL'S ENTIRELY WITHIN WARREN COUNTY.
UM, SO WHERE ARE THEY GETTING THAT INFORMATION IF THEY'RE NOT DOING A COMPOSITE FROM THE SAME PLACE? AMERICAN POVERTY SURVEY.
AGAIN, UM, MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SEE.
UM, THIS IS JUST ONE DATA POINT THAT COMES OUT OF THAT SECTION OF THE SURVEY.
WE CAN SEE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME BY HOUSEHOLD SIZE.
WE CAN SEE IT BY RACE AND ETHNICITY.
WE CAN SEE IT BY AGE, UM, COMPOSITION OF THE HOUSEHOLDS, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO IF THERE WAS A PARTICULAR DEMOGRAPHIC YOU WERE PARTICULAR OR VERY INTERESTED IN, WE COULD EXTRA FROM THAT.
YOU'VE GOT THAT A LITTLE BIT WHERE YOU HAVE EACH, EACH OCCUPATION OR, OR CLASSES.
AND THAT'S BY, UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY EMPLOYMENT IN WARREN COUNTY.
SO THIS IS NOT, UM, YOUR DEMOGRAPHIC.
THESE ARE THOSE WHO ARE EMPLOYED HERE, WHICH IS INTERESTING.
WHAT WOULD YOU READ INTO THE RENTAL VACANCY, ASHLEY? I MEAN, IS THAT A, A NORMAL NUMBER OR DOES THAT SAY WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH? UM, WHAT IS THAT FOUR OR YEAH, 4.7% IN FRONT ROLE.
WHERE, WHERE'S THAT REPRESENTED DO YOU THINK? UM, SO THE COUNTY PLANNER AND I ALWAYS HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME WITH THIS DATA POINT.
WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE ACROSS THE REGION.
UM, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO COLLECT THIS DATA, WE WOULD LOVE TO DO IT.
SO 4.7% IS JUST A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE NORTHERN SHENANDOAH VALLEY IN TERMS OF THE DATA POINT PRESENTED HERE.
I THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS IN YOUR COMMUNITY WOULD SAY THAT, UM, 121 RENTAL VACANCIES IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL IS THERE'S AN EXTREME MARGIN OF ERROR.
SO IF I WENT TO GO LOOK FOR AN APARTMENT OR A HOME FOR RENT IN FRONT ROYAL, DO YOU THINK THAT I WOULD HAVE 121 OPTIONS? NO.
AND, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THE TIME THAT THIS, THE TIMEFRAME THAT THIS DATA WAS COLLECTED.
IT'S A FIVE YEAR, UM, AN ESTIMATE USING A FIVE YEAR, UM, REGRESSION THAT WAS, UM, PUBLISHED IN 2022.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A DATA POINT THAT'S TWO YEARS OLD.
UM, AND JUST ANECDOTALLY, THIS IS SOMETHING WE JUST HAVE TO SAY WE KNOW BETTER THAN, THAN THE SURVEY DOES.
UM, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME IT'S, WE COULD PROBABLY SEE A TREND, THE TREND MIGHT HELP US BETTER, BUT WE KNOW WE COULD JUST GO TO APARTMENTS.COM AND, AND SEE THAT THERE'S NOT 121 AVAILABLE.
UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN INVENTORY OF OF HOUSING AND THAT'S ACROSS THE REGION.
ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO BE LOOKING AT THERE? THERE'S A, THERE'S A NUMBER THAT I FELT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM 'EM, UM, BUT IT WAS IN THE HIGHER SIXTIES IN TERMS OF RENTERS IN THE, IN THE TOWN OF FOR ROYAL.
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION RENTS AS OPPOSED TO BUYING, AS OPPOSED TO OWN HOME? I AGREE.
I'VE ALWAYS HEARD THAT IT'S IN THE MID SIXTIES TO LOW SEVENTIES.
I'VE ALWAYS HEARD, I'VE NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN THAT UNTIL JUST NOW.
SO I, I, THAT'S WHAT I'M KIND OF, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I'M, I I DON'T KNOW, I'M DEFINITELY, THAT'S FIVE YEARS AGO, YOU HAVE SUCH A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF YOUR POPULATION RENTING AND TO HAVE SUCH LITTLE INVENTORY IN ESSENCE, YOU KNOW, IS DEFINITELY A FACTOR.
AND WHERE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT COME HERE, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO LIVE.
IS THERE A RECORD OF THAT ANY WAY TO, TO THE TOWN? LIKE I KNOW LIKE IF YOU DID AN AIRBNB, YOU'D HAVE TO REGISTER THE AIRBNB, BUT AS A, AS A LANDLORD, LIKE IF YOU OWN A HOME AND YOU'RE RENTING THE HOME, DO THEY HAVE ANY SORT OF REPORTING? SO I MEAN, LIKE HONESTLY, THE, THE NUMBERS COULD BE CORRECT UP IN THE SIXTIES, WHICH DON'T.
AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE BEEN REFERENCING HAD PROBABLY BEEN A COUPLE YEARS
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AGO.I HAVE SEEN IN A PRINTED DOCUMENT STATING THAT THERE WERE 60 SOME PERCENT OF OUR HOMES WERE RENTAL OWN, OWN RENTAL HOMES.
SO, UM, I'LL HAVE TO GO AND LOOK AND SEE WHERE THAT REFERENCE IS.
JUST LIKE ANY DATA, THERE'S SO MUCH DATA, YOU GOTTA FIND OUT WHAT THAT REFERENCE IS.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT FOR SURE IT WAS LIKE IN THE HIGH SIXTIES.
I AND I, THAT'S WHAT I'VE ALWAYS LED TO BELIEVE.
I JUST DUNNO HOW IT'S RECORDED.
LIKE, I KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE OWN PROPERTIES AND THEY JUST, I DON'T THINK THEY TELL ANYBODY THEY'RE RENTING THEM UNLESS YOU'RE A LI TENANT.
NO, I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY THAT HAVE ROOMS OVER THE GARAGE, STUFF LIKE THAT IN DUR THAT, THAT WOULD NOT BE REPORTED.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY WE BRING DATA TO LOCALITIES TO SAY CAN YOU KIND OF THAT, I MEAN, THE BEST WE CAN DO IS IS PULL YEAH.
MOTIVATE US TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT, UM, UH, I TALKED WITH, I'M WORKING, HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR THE LAST YEAR ON THE WARREN COUNTY COMP PLAN AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO TRACK SHORT TERM RENTALS, BEING ABLE TO TRACK RENTAL HOUSING, UM, AND REALLY HOW CAN WE GET A BETTER IDEA OF THAT PICTURE? AND THIS IS THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO WITH PUBLICLY AVAILABLE SOURCES.
UNLESS YOU COULD POTENTIALLY GET, UM, GET THEM TO SELF-REPORT.
PROPERTY OWNERS TO SELF-REPORT SURVEY PROPERTY OWNERS.
I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, WELL IT COULD BE EXTRAPOLATED, BUT WE, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO IT.
BUT YOU COULD, YOU COULD ALSO LOOK AT, UH, UTILITIES, YOU KNOW, UTILITIES VERSUS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHO'S PAYING THE UTILITY VERSUS WHO'S WHO OWNS THE HOME.
I MEAN, I, I RENT AND THE UTILITIES ARE NOT IN MY NAME, THEY'RE IN MY LANDLORD.
SO YEAH, WE'RE GONNA TRACK HER.
YOU WERE GONNA HAVE A QUESTION.
WELL, THAT WAS KIND OF MY QUESTION.
THE DATA APPOINTMENT OR OCCUPIED HOUSING UNITS, PERCENT OF OCCUPIED UNITS.
I WAS GONNA ASK, IS THAT MEASURING THE PERCENTAGE? SO THAT'S A PERCENTAGE OF ALL HOUSING UNITS AND THAT'S THE PERCENTAGE THAT'S RENTED OR LIKE THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT.
SO IT'S OF, OF OCCUPIED HOUSES OF THE PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED TO THE SURVEY.
SO YOU COULD RESPOND TO THE SURVEY, UM, THAT THE ADDRESS IS UNOCCUPIED.
AND THAT WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED.
BUT OF THOSE PERCENTAGE OF THE RESPONDENTS THAT WERE OCCUPYING A HOUSE, HOW MANY OF THEM REPORTED THAT THEY WERE RENT OR OCCU THEY WERE RENTING, HOW MANY OF THEM REPORTED THAT THEY WERE THE OWNER OF THE HOME? OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS PAGE HAVE QUESTIONS OR WANNA TALK ABOUT A DATA POINT? POVERTY LEVEL AND HOUSEHOLDS RECEIVING FOOD STAMPS IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE REGION ALMOST DOUBLE IN THE REGION, AT LEAST FOR, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A POVERTY ISSUE IN, IN THE TOWN FRONT.
GOOD, GOOD TO RECOGNIZE THAT NUMBER.
I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU LOOKED AT ALL OF THE URBANIZED AREAS MM-HMM.
UM, YOU SEE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF RENTALS, YOU SEE, UH, PEOPLE NEEDING TO BE CLOSER TO GOODS AND SERVICES AND EMPLOYMENT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THE TREND OF AN URBANIZED AREA.
AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT IF YOU WERE GOING TO COMPARE, YOU WOULDN'T MAYBE, UM, YOU WOULD MAYBE WANT TO COMPARE TO AN AREA, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THAT IS, UM, SIMILAR IN TERMS OF AREA AND ALSO IN TERMS OF POPULATION.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS, UH, FRONT ROYAL'S, YOU KNOW, SISTER TOWN OR SISTER CITY? OKAY, SO I DID A LOT OF THIS, UM, I DID A LOT OF THIS RESEARCH THIS MORNING AND I'LL PULL IT UP AND MAKE DIRECT REFERENCE IF YOU WANT.
BUT FRONT ROYAL IS THE, FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE ONE 1.2 SQUARE MILES LARGER THAN THE CITY OF WINCHESTER.
SO IN TERMS OF AREA AND THEN IN TERMS OF POPULATION, THE NEXT LARGEST TOWN IS STRASSBURG.
AND STRASSBURG POPULATION IS ONLY ABOUT 7,500.
SO FOR THE TOWNS THAT THAT WE SERVE, YOU ARE, UM, PROBABLY MORE NOW POPULATION OF WINCHESTER IS ABOUT 7,000 MORE THAN YOU.
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POPULATION IS ABOUT 7,000 LESS THAN FRONT ROYAL.UM, AND ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THREE MILES, GIVE OR TAKE IN TERMS OF, OF SQUARE MILEAGE.
SO I DID LOOK UP, UM, SOME PLACES THAT HAVE SIMILAR SQUARE MILEAGE AND ALSO HAVE SIMILAR POPULATION.
AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT PLACES REALLY LIKE LEESBURG OR WILLIAMSBURG.
UM, AS, AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT PLACES WITH UM, A BIG, A BIG TOURIST DRIVER.
YOU GUYS ARE, ARE THE GATEWAY TO THE NATIONAL PARK.
UM, SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT COMPARISON PLACES, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I WOULD LOOK AT.
UM, SIMILAR ECONOMY IN TERMS OR OR LARGE, UM, VISITATION DRIVER AND THEN ALSO, UM, SQUARE MILEAGE.
SO DO YOU, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANNA KNOW MORE ABOUT? YEAH.
WELL THAT SOUNDS LIKE, AT LEAST FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, I WOULD IMAGINE WILLIAMSBURG IS PROBABLY A DECENT COMPARISON FRONT ROYAL.
SO ONE THING THAT THEY HAVE THAT FRONT ROYAL DOES NOT HAVE WOULD BE A
WHAT'D YOU SAY? WHICH CARDINAL? RIGHT.
COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG, COLONIAL WILLIAMS TOURISM.
BUT THE UNIVERSITY, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE SKYLINE DRIVE, MY, MY NUMBERS MIGHT BE OFF A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE THEY'RE OLD, BUT I KNOW THAT'S PLUS 500,000 PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING UP THERE.
DOES THAT COMPARE TO HOW MANY ARE GOING TO COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG? I MEAN, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE LOOK INTO.
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN IDENTIFYING, UM, PEER LOCALITIES OR PLACES WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO MEASURE YOUR GROWTH OR SUCCESS OR OTHER METRICS AGAINST THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD IDENTIFY IN A CASE STUDY.
WHAT WAS THE SQUARE MILEAGE AGAIN OF WINCHESTER IN COMPARISON? YOU SAID ONE POINT? NO, UM, SQUARE, SQUARE MILEAGE.
THE TOWN IS 10, JUST THE DIFFERENCE.
10 AND A HALF SQUARE MILES DOWN FROM 10 AND A HALF.
SO WE ARE LARGER THAN THE CITY OF WINCHESTER.
UM, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, FRONT ROW IS THE SEVENTH BIGGEST TOWN.
I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT WINCHESTER POPULATION, ALL OF YOUR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OTHER THAN DOWNTOWN LOUDOUN STREET MALL, MOST OF YOUR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN.
IT'S KIND OF IRONIC COMPARED TO US.
I I, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE THE, YOU HAVE THE BOTTLING COMPANY THING UP THERE, YOU HAVE WHITE HOUSE.
I, I DON'T KNOW, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE LINES AND SEE YOU'RE, I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE THERE'S SOME BIG STUFF UP THERE TOO.
WELL, AND AND THAT'S A THIRD OF THE SIZE THAT IT USED TO BE.
WELL I THINK THE SQUARE AREA OF ROYAL ISN'T, WELL IT'S LIKE RUBBERMAID AND TRES, THEY'RE NOT IN WIND.
THEY'RE NOT IN BECAUSE IT'S MOUNTAINS, RIVER FLOOD, PLAIN THAT SORRY.
WHERE WE CAN DEVELOP YOU DEFINITELY OPENED UP OUR MINDS.
WELL IT'S ALSO, IT'S ALSO INTERESTING THOUGH TOO.
'CAUSE WITH WILLIAMSBURG, I THINK LIKE UP TO 60% OF IT IS LIKE UNDER AN IRREVOCABLE LIKE LAND TRUST BECAUSE OF COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG AND ALSO OF ALL THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION WITH THE CAMPUS TOO.
SO THERE'S A LOT LAND THAT CAN'T DEVELOP THERE.
AND YOU SAID 60%, I THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE CLOSE A LOT OF THEIR GEOGRAPHICAL SPACE TO BRING ATTRACTIONS.
WHEREAS WE HAVEN'T REALLY UTILIZED OUR SPACE FOR THOSE SAME ATTRACTIONS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO AND RESOURCE, BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THOSE IN PLACE TO ACTUALLY TAKE THAT SKYLINE DRIVE AND EXPAND IT WITH THOSE NUMBERS OF 500,000.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN STEAKHOUSE THAT'S GOING RIGHT THERE.
THE, LIKE THE RIVER NOT HAVING ACCESS TO SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
LIKE THOSE ARE GOOD PLACES WE WOULD LOOK AT TO STILL HAVE THAT GEOGRAPHICAL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PLANTED TYPE OF AN ATTRACTION.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE A BUSH GARDENS, BUT IT COULD BE LIKE A COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG WHERE YOU GO THROUGH AN INTERACTION OR A NICE DINNER OR YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT PER SEVILLE'S.
ALSO PRETTY CLOSE TOO, I THINK.
UM, AND I WILL, WHY DON'T I SEND LIZZIE, UM, WHAT I KIND OF GATHERED JUST FROM A QUICK, I JUST FOUND THE LISTS, RIGHT? RANK 'EM BY SIZE, RANK 'EM BY POPULATION, AND THEN WHO KIND OF MATCHES.
AND THEN I USED MY GENERAL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT EXISTS, WHERE TO IDENTIFY.
BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK MORE INTO IT.
UM, JOE, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO ALL OF THAT? UM, YEAH, I JUST WANNA ADD REAL QUICK.
WE ARE 10 AND A HALF SQUARE MILES.
AND IN 2014 IS WHEN WE ANNEX THAT PARCEL OUT THERE, I THINK, WHICH IS CALLED FAR LIMITED PARTNERSHIP AND THAT STUFF OUT IN THE HAPPY CREEK AREA, WHICH GAVE US 10 AND A HALF, WHICH REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHT OUT THERE.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU IS YOU LOOK
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AT HOW MANY HOMES ARE IN FRONT ROYAL, AND IT'S STATED IN THERE, AND THERE'S A LITTLE OVER 6,000.THE THING THAT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE POTENTIAL TO DEVELOPMENT ON RE COULD BE 3000 HOMES.
THAT IS OUR CHALLENGE MOVING FORWARD, IS MANAGING THAT GROWTH.
'CAUSE THAT HAS SUBSTANTIAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD SHIFT THE ACCESS OF THE TOWN.
UM, THAT'S ALSO BY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S BY, RIGHT.
AND WE KNOW THAT, UH, UH, FROM EARLY INDICATIONS IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR THAT THEY'RE COMING BACK FOR REZONING FOR HIGHER DENSITY.
SO THIS IS THE REALITY THAT, THAT WE'RE, WELL, THAT'S HAPPENING.
THAT'S JUST US CHANGING LIFESTYLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT'S HAPPENING IN EVERY JURISDICTION.
NO, AND I, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A UNIQUE CHALLENGE, BUT I'M SAYING IT IS A CHALLENGE UP FRONT OF ALL OF US AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
WE WE'RE SUCKING UP YOUR TIME, SO WE PROBABLY GOTTA MOVE ON.
SO IF WE LOOK AT PAGE FIVE, UM, THIS IS EMPLOYMENT TRENDS AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 10 YEAR QUARTERLY.
SO A MOVING AVERAGE OF TOTAL EMPLOYMENT IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
SO WHAT'S INTERESTING WHEN WE TRANSITION FROM THESE KIND OF, UM, DEMOGRAPHIC METRICS TO EMPLOYMENT INDUSTRY OCCUPATION METRICS IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMPLOYMENT IN THE TOWN.
THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY FOLKS THAT LIVE HERE.
THEY'RE THE PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE.
UM, SO THIS, SO IT'S NOT A, YOUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE EMPLOYED, IT IS ALL EMPLOYMENT IN THE, OKAY.
SO, UM, THIS IS EMPLOYMENT GROWTH PERCENT CHANGE.
SO WE'RE KIND OF, WE HAD THIS RAPID RESPONSE AFTER, UM, COVID AND THEN WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A DROP.
YOU GUYS HAVE SUPER SEASONAL EMPLOYMENT.
UM, SO IT GETS REAL LOW IN QUARTERS ONE AND TWO OF THE YEAR AND THEN KIND OF RISES AGAIN AND YOU'RE KIND OF HOLDING STEADY.
UM, SO 0.7% GROWTH, UM, ANNUALLY, I MEAN LOWER THAN THE REST OF THE REGION, BUT IN KIND OF IN LINE WITH THE COUNTY, WHICH TELLS ME THAT, UM, IT'S A HEALTHY KIND OF MOVEMENT BETWEEN THE, THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.
THIS IS WAGES WE'RE ON TRACK FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL WAGE INCREASES.
WE ARE NOT QUITE UP TO LIKE 2014 GROWTH, NOT, THIS IS, UM, PERCENT CHANGE FROM A YEAR AGO AS WELL.
SO WAGES ARE GROWING IN LINE WITH THE REGION.
SO THE NEXT ONE IS COST OF LIVING.
AND THIS IS A THING THAT IS TYPICALLY REPORTED BY A PLACE.
HAVE YOU GUYS, UM, JOE OR LIZZIE, DO YOU KNOW IF YOU GUYS PARTICIPATE IN THE COLA SURVEY? I'VE NEVER SEEN IT.
I, NO, IT DOES SOUND FAMILIAR ASHLEY, BUT I'M NOT.
SO WOULD IT TAKE, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO WALK INTO LIKE A, A TOWN REPRESENTATIVE WOULD GET THE SURVEY AND HAS TO WALK INTO TWO DIFFERENT GROCERY STORES AND LIKE PRICE OUT EGGS AND MILK AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO SEARCH FOR AN APARTMENT AND LIKE CALL DIFFERENT PLACES AND GET REAL QUOTES.
SO IT IS, UM, IT IS AN INVOLVED THING.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS AVAILABLE TO TOWNS.
UM, BUT THAT IS A WAY TO SELF-REPORT COST OF LIVING.
AND I KNOW THAT FREDERICK COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY DOES PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
I'LL ASK PATRICK TO, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS AVAILABLE TO TOWNS, BUT WE'LL FIND OUT.
SO OTHERWISE IT IS, UM, BASED ON SURVEYS AGAIN, UM, AND ITS COST OF LIVING IS 21.4% HIGHER IN FRONT ROYAL THAN THE US AVERAGE? YES.
NOT THAT SURPRISING CONSIDERING OUR PROXIMITY TO NORTHERN VIRGINIA, BUT STILL SEEMS A YEAH, A LITTLE BIT HIGH.
BUT WHAT IT COST, I GUESS CONSIDERING GROCERIES, HOUSING, HMM.
TAXES INCLUDED IN THAT PROPERTY TAXES, CHILDCARE, UM, NOBODY HAVE OPTIONS THERE POTENTIALLY.
SO ONE PLACE WHERE THERE IS AN UPTODATE COST OF LIVING BUDGET THAT YOU MIGHT LOOK AT.
IF YOU WANTED TO JUST LOOK AT THAT ON AVERAGE FOR, UM, COST OF LIVING FOR A SIZE OF A FAMILY, YOU MIGHT LOOK AT THE ALICE REPORT.
UM, ALICE IS A POPULATION, IS THE ASSET.
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YOU FAMILIAR? THEY ALL ARE.THEY PROBABLY ARE ASSET LIMITED, INCOME CONSTRAINED, EMPLOYED.
SO THE UNITED WAY, UM, TRACKS, MEASURES POPULATE BASICALLY BUILDS A BUDGET FOR EVERY PLACE COUNT.
IT MIGHT BE DONE AT COUNTY LEVEL, MAYBE NOT LOWER THAN COUNTY LEVEL, BUT THEY BUILD A THRESHOLD BUDGET.
WHAT IS THE MINIMUM THAT YOU WOULD NEED FOR, UH, DIFFERENT SIZES OF FAMILY? AM I A SINGLE ADULT? AM I SINGLE ADULT OVER 65? AM I A MARRIED COUPLE, MARRIED COUPLE WITH ONE CHILD, TWO CHILDREN, ONE IN DAYCARE, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO BREAKS OUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT FAMILY UNITS AND THE THRESHOLD BUDGET.
UM, SO IT TELL IT, WHAT IT'S GONNA TELL YOU IS WHO IS AT UNDER THE POVERTY LEVEL AND THEN WHO IS ALICE? BECAUSE POVERTY, THE, THE FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL IS NOT, UM, JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T MEET THE FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN LIVE IN A PLACE COMFORTABLY AND PROVIDE FOR YOUR FAMILY.
SO, UM, THE ALICE REPORTS ARE A WAY TO CHECK KIND OF YOUR LOCAL BUDGET FOR DIFFERENT FAMILY TYPES.
I'LL SEND IT OUT TO YOU GUYS SO YOU CAN REVIEW IT.
WHAT WOULD YOU ATTRIBUTE, WHAT AS, I MEAN YOU ALL SEE THIS, YOU ANALYZE THIS DATA.
WHAT FACTORS, I MEAN IS IT GENERAL THAT COST THINGS COST MORE HERE IN FRONT ROYAL, BUT WHAT FACTORS WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO US BEING 21% HIGHER? SURE.
SO THESE ARE THE WAGES IN, IN THE PLACE, RIGHT? REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE.
SO JOB CREATION, UM, JOB CREATION, HIGHER PAYING, JOB CREATION.
SO THIS IS TAKING THE AVERAGE ANNUAL SALARY FOR THOSE, UM, THAT WORK IN A PLACE VERSUS THE PRICE IT IS TO LIVE THERE.
SO WHAT'S PROBABLY HAPPENING IS THAT YOU WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE AND YOU BRING HIGHER, YOU HAVE TO BRING HIGHER WAGES BACK TO LIVE HERE.
IT IS LESS LIKELY THAT YOU ARE LIVING AND WORKING IN A PLACE BECAUSE THE WAGES YOU'RE SUSTAINING HERE CANNOT AFFORD THE COST OF LIVING.
SO YOU ARE LIVING IN WEST VIRGINIA AND COMING HERE.
UM, AND IF YOU'RE TO WORK AND IF YOU'RE LIVING HERE, YOU ARE WORKING IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA POTENTIALLY.
SO THE CREATION OF HIGHER PAYING JOBS, THOSE JOBS THAT PAY ABOVE THE AVERAGE WAGE IN A PLACE, AND WE'LL GET THE AVERAGE WAGES IN A MINUTE, UM, WOULD HELP SUSTAIN, UM, A FAMILY FOR THE COST OF LIVING.
SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH SAYING THAT COST OF COST OF GOODS AND SERVICES HERE ARE MORE EXPENSIVE.
AS MUCH AS SAYING THAT JUST THE AVERAGE SALARY OF PEOPLE HERE IS LESS.
WELL, UM, KIND OF BOTH, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ELEVATED HOUSING PRICES 'CAUSE OF THE PUSH WEST FROM NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
THERE'S LOW, UM, LOW INVENTORY IN THE HOUSING MARKET.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS DID AN ASSESSMENT RECENTLY, BUT I JUST GOT A NICE FAB TAX ASSESSMENT ON MY HOUSE.
SO I KNOW THE UM, MY TAXES AND THINGS WENT UP.
HOW IS IT THE COST OF HOUSING IS HIGH ALSO COULD POTENTIALLY BE, UM, JUST GENERAL INFLATION ACROSS COUNTRY.
IT COULD BE, UM, IT COULD BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS POTENTIALLY.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY ATTRIBUTED TO PEOPLE WITH HIGHER WAGES THAT WORK IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA LIVING HERE, BEING ABLE TO AFFORD HIGHER PRICES THAN ANY SORT OF INDUSTRY OR GROCERY STORE OR REALTOR WOULD BE A VAST, CAN'T GO INTO SAY LIKE BLUEFIELD, VIRGINIA START ASKING PEOPLE TO PAY $400,000 FOR A HOUSE.
THEIR WAGES JUST AREN'T THERE.
I THINK PROBABLY TO PEOPLE BRINGING THEIR WAGES FROM NORTHERN VIRGINIA HERE, MAKING IT TO AFFORD HIGHER STANDARD OF LIVING, THEREFORE RAISE THE COST OF LIVING.
IT'D BE INTERESTING HOW MANY TWO HOUSEHOLD INCOMES, ALMOST EVERYBODY.
ONE OF THOSE INCOMES COULD BE HERE BY THE OTHER ONE'S DOWN IN THE CITY.
SO I'D INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THAT INDEX LOOKS LIKE BY COUNTY AS YOU GET CLOSER TO WASHINGTON DC YEAH.
BULK CHECK OUT LOUD WOULD BE FEET RED.
UM, I THOUGHT THE INDUSTRY SNAPSHOT'S REALLY INTERESTING.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT NOW.
UM, I SAW THAT SO THAT IF I CAN, IF I COME ACROSS DATA POINTS OR IF I'VE GOT UH, A MINUTE, I CAN PULL JUST, I CAN PULL IT TOGETHER FOR YOU.
I WOULD'VE PREDICTED GOVERNMENT TO BE THE LARGEST THING.
AND IT IS UNDER EDUCATIONAL SERVICES.
PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION IS 3.1%.
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UH, POT PIECE AT THE PIE AT THE TOP.SO THE HOSPITAL AND OUR SCHOOLS CORRECT.
WOULD BE THE LARGEST EMPLOYERS? CORRECT.
WE, WE WERE JUST GIVEN THAT
AND THEN YOUR NEXT LARGEST, I LIKE TO, UM, INCLUDE ACCOMMODATION AND FOOD SERVICES AND RETAIL TRADE.
THAT'S KIND OF THE TWO THINGS THAT I LOOK AT WHEN I'M LOOKING FOR TOURISM DRIVEN COMMUNITIES.
SO I ADD THOSE TWO TOGETHER AND THAT KIND OF GIVES ME THOSE VISITATION RELATED INDUSTRIES.
UH, WHERE WOULD TOURISM BE, DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE IN THAT ELEMENT? UM, SO TOURISM IS NOT A, IT DOESN'T HAVE ITS OWN CODE MEASURED ASSESSMENT CODE.
SO WE CAN LOOK, UM, WE MIGHT SEE IT IN CLUSTER, WE MIGHT SEE IT IN CLUSTERS.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO THOUGH.
SO I KIND OF JUST MAKE MY OWN.
AND THEN YOU COULD ALSO ADD IN, UM, RECREATION, ARTS, ENTERTAINMENT AND RECREATION.
SO ACCOMMODATION AND FOOD SERVICES, ARTS, ENTERTAINMENT AND RECREATION.
SO THAT'S ABOUT 20, 21, 22, 23, ABOUT 27% OF AND RETAIL TRADE.
OF EMPLOYMENT AND, AND WAGES ARE COMING FROM TOURISM RELATED INDUSTRIES.
UM, SO JOB GROWTH IN THE, IN THE LOCALITY IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE BY 265 JOBS.
IT'S ABOUT 50 JOBS PER YEAR OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
AND, UM, THE FASTEST GROWING SECTOR IS HEALTHCARE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT MORE, THE STRONGEST FORECAST BY NUMBER OF JOBS IS, UM, IS HEALTHCARE ABOUT 95 JOBS IN HEALTHCARE.
SO THE, YOU HAVE LIKE A SPECIFIC HEALTHCARE FOR THAT.
UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S THIS BIG PUSH WITH THE BABY BOOMERS, A LOT OF NURSING HOMES, A LOT OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND I JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THAT IS.
'CAUSE IT MIGHT NOT JUST BE A HOSPITAL OR LIKE AN URGENT CARE.
IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF HOU THAT TURNS INTO HOUSING AT SOME POINT.
SO THIS NEXT TABLE, I'M, I'M GONNA ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I HOPE IN HERE WE CAN FIND, WE CAN FIND IT.
SO THE NEXT CODE FOR HEALTHCARE AND SOCIAL ASSISTANCE IS 62.
SOMEWHERE IN THE SIX DIGIT MAKES CODES.
THERE'S GONNA BE SOMETHING FOR, UM, SENIOR LIVING OR HOME HEALTH AIDES OR, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT SUB-INDUSTRIES UNDER THAT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN LOOK AT, LIZZIE, IF YOU WANTED TO MEET AND PRESENT IT TO YOU.
YEAH, LET'S, LET'S DIG INTO THAT AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
SO WE'LL DO KIND OF A DEEPER DIVE ON HEALTHCARE.
SO THE BEST PAYING JOBS ARE THE JOBS THAT ARE LIMITED HERE, WHERE YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AN ADVANCED EDUCATION, FINANCE AND INSURANCE AND, UM, PROFESSIONAL SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL.
AND THEN MANUFACTURING FOLLOWS UP IN BEHIND THAT.
THE WAGE THAT'S BEING PULLED ON MANUFACTURING.
SO, UM, PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY, WELL THE WAGES ARE SO HIGH IN MANUFACTURING BECAUSE YOU HAVE MANAGEMENT IN MANUFACTURING ALSO, RIGHT? SO THIS IS TAKING ALL OCCUPATIONS WITHIN A MANUFACTURING OPERATION.
BUT IF 387 PEOPLE, UM, ARE, ARE 3 3 87 ARE EMPLOYED IN MANUFACTURING WITHIN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, THE PERCENTAGE OF THOSE THAT ARE IN A MANAGERIAL ROLE OR AN ADMINISTRATIVE ROLE IS QUITE LOW.
PROBABLY AT OR LOW BELOW 10% OF THEM, THEY'RE STILL LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 350 MAYBE THAT ARE WORKING PRODUCTION JOBS.
SO IT IS A GREAT WAGE AND EXPECTED TO GROW.
UM, AGRICULTURE, UM, FORESTRY AND FISHING IS THE ONLY INDUSTRY EXPECTED TO HAVE A DECLINE 0.5% PER YEAR OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
THAT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF.
RETAIL TRADE IS 0.1% PER YEAR OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
THE NEXT, UM, ANY, ANY OTHER NO COMMENTS.
SO THE NEXT TABLE IS THE OCCUPATION SNAPSHOT.
AND THIS TAKES THE TYPE OF JOBS, LIKE WE WERE JUST SAYING, UM, PRODUCT PRODUCTION JOBS VERSUS, UM, MANAGEMENT OR ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS
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IN MANUFACTURING.SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT JOBS ACROSS, IN ACROSS INDUSTRIES.
SO, UM, FOR PRODUCTION WORK SPECIFICALLY, 45,900 VERSUS THAT 68.
TO ME THAT FEELS LIKE A REALLY BIG, THAT FEELS REALLY, REALLY SKEWED.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE A A MANUFACTURING HEADQUARTERS HERE? DUPONT, BUT THAT'S IN WARREN COUNTY.
I MEAN, WE GOT JACKSON FURNITURE.
I MEAN I CAN THINK OF THAT, BUT NO BIG, NOT LIKE, IT'S NOT, THERE'S TR JACKSON FURNITURE, THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THAT IS, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S THERE.
YEAH, THAT'S NOT THEIR HEADQUARTERS IS IT? NO, THEY'RE A SUBSIDIARY OF ANOTHER COMPANY.
ANYBODY WHERE, ANY PLACE, ANY MANUFACTURING COMPANY WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE A LARGE SUBSET OF THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM OR LIKE A LOT OF HIGHLY PAID INDIVIDUALS? UNFORTUNATELY NOT.
SO THEN IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT SKEWED TO ME WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, PRODUCTION, UM, UNDER THIS OCCUPATION TABLE WE'RE LOOKING AT PRODUCTION EMPLOYEES 259 WITH AN AVERAGE WAGE OF 45,900.
UM, VERSUS IN MANUFACTURING, YOU KNOW, AS A SECTOR 68,000.
SO THAT'S 20,001 MANAGEMENT ALSO, UM, I MEAN IS MANAGEMENT COULD BE ANY MANAGEMENT, RIGHT? DOES IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE A SHIFT.
IT COULD BE A, THIS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR, UM, SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT, OH, I WAS LOOKING AT PR.
THAT'S GONNA COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
SO I WAS LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT MANUFACTURING AS AN INDUSTRY TO PRODUCTION AS AN OCCUPATION, 5,100.
SO I I WAS LOOKING THERE, BUT YES, IF WE GO TO OFFICE AND ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT, UM, EDUCATIONAL INSTRUCTION AND LIBRARY, THAT'S GONNA BE WHERE, BUT I'M SAYING THAT MANAGEMENT IS GONNA BE KIND OF SPREAD, SPREAD THROUGHOUT THOSE INDUSTRIES.
NOT IF IT CAN NOT, IF IT CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO ANOTHER OCCUPATIONAL CODE CONTINUES OVER ONTO THE NEXT PAGE.
THERE'S A SECOND PART OF THAT JUST DISCOVERED THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOUR, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOUR GOVERNMENT, UM, WOULD BE.
MAYBE OFFICE AND ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT.
LET ME MAKE SURE THIS 7, 8, 6, 6.
SO THE TOTAL EMPLOYMENT TRACKS, INSTALLATION, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE AM PARKS DECK, UM, DIVISION MIGHT BE CODED UNDER INSTALLATION, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE WHERE ELSE THE GOVERNMENT WORKERS WOULD BE POTENTIALLY MANAGEMENT EDUCATORS WOULD BE CODED, UM, IN EDUCATIONAL DESTRUCTION AND LIBRARY.
ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT OCCUPATIONS? OKAY, SO THE NEXT, UM, THE FINAL PAGE, I THINK THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT IS DEFINITIONS AFTER THIS.
SO UNDER EDUCATIONAL LEVELS, THIS IS BASICALLY WHERE WE WOULD GO TO SEE WHERE DO WE, UM, DO WE NEED TO ADD ANY NEW PROGRAMMING OR REQUEST ANY NEW PROGRAMMING AT THE COLLEGE WITH THE UNIVERSITY TO, WHAT DO WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR IN TERMS OF EDUCATION AND JOB CREATION? SO IF YOU LOOK, UM, KIND OF LET'S GLANCE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN NINE AND 12.
SO, UM, ON PAGE NINE IS THE INDUSTRY SNAPSHOT.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT TOTAL DEMAND AND THE, AND THIS IS THE FIVE BLUE COLUMNS.
THE TOTAL DEMAND ADDS UP, INDUSTRY EXITS, TRANSFERS AND EMPLOYMENT GROWTH EXITS ARE THE PEOPLE WE'RE EXPECTING ARE GONNA RETIRE TRANSFERS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING FROM ONE IN INDUSTRY TO ANOTHER OR ONE JOB TO ANOTHER.
AND EMPLOYMENT GROWTH IS WHERE WE'RE FINDING NEW JOBS ADDED TO OUR ECONOMY.
SO OF THESE, OF THE EMPLOYMENT GROWTH, THIS 265 NUMBER
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265 OF, OF THOSE 265[Economic Development Authority on June 3, 2024.]
JOBS, 1% WILL REQUIRE A DOCTORAL OR PROFESSIONAL DEGREE, 1.3% MASTER'S DEGREE, 1% BACHELOR'S DEGREE, 1.1 ASSOCIATES AND SO ON.THANKS FOR SHOWING US THAT BECAUSE I WOULDN'T HAVE PAD IT TO IN.
SO I CAN DIG IN, UM, NOT INCLUDE IT IN THIS REPORT, BUT IF WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS ONLINE, I WOULD JUST BE ABLE TO CLICK ON DOCTORAL OR PROFESSIONAL DEGREE AND THEN SEE THOSE, UM, POTENTIALLY SEE THOSE JOBS THAT ARE ANY JOBS THAT ARE LISTED OR SEE WHICH OCCUPATIONS SPECIFICALLY THAT WOULD REFERS TO.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, SOMETHING WE CAN INTO.
THAT'S AN OUTSTANDING, YOU'RE NOT TERRIBLY BORED BY THAT.
THIS IS, I FOUND IT VERY COMPELLING AND INTERESTING.
AND SO IT'S JUST, UM, JUST A, A HIGHLIGHT OF THE TYPES OF DATA THAT WE CAN FIND.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES REALLY SPECIFIC STUFF FOR SMALLER RIGHT PLACES, PLACES UNDER A COUNTY LEVEL ARE DIFFICULT TO GET YOUR HANDS ON.
BUT, UM, IT'S NICE TO HAVE A STARTING POINT.
SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE TIME.
YEAH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
WHAT OTHER, UM, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR JUST KICK ME OUT IF YOU'RE READY.
I DO THINK THAT WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE YOU BACK AT SOME POINT WHEN WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE MORE INFORMED QUESTIONS, IS HONESTLY, YEAH, AND I HAVE, I MEAN I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS TOO.
AS YOU DEVELOP, AS AN, AS AN AGENCY, AS AN ORGANIZATION, I'M REALLY INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, WHAT'S THE GROUP GONNA FOCUS ON? IS THERE ANY, WHAT RESEARCH WE CAN DO TO, TO SUPPORT YOU? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING RIGHT NOW.
WELL, YOU ARE LIKE THE FIRST, WELL WE'VE IDENTIFIED FIVE AREAS THAT WE'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE, IT'D GREAT TO HAVE HER BACK FOR A WORK SESSION.
OH, WELL THAT'S TEACHER PLANNING IS MY JOB AND GRANT WRITING, SO, OKAY.
WELL THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH.
DO YOU HAVE CAR? DID YOU BRING BUSINESS CARDS? UM, NO.
UM, LIZZIE, I GET ALL OF LIZZIE, WILL YOU COPY 'EM IN MY SIGNATURE? JUST COPY AND PASTE.
YOU GOT, OKAY YOU GUYS, GOOD LUCK.
ALRIGHT, THAT COVERS THE NEW BUSINESS.
UM, YEAH, SO OUR SURVEY HAS LAUNCHED AND WE HAVE 26 RESPONDENTS RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'LL TAKE, UM, 70% COMPLETION RATE.
SO I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT TOO.
THAT'S A LOT BETTER THAN I HAVE FEARED.
UM, LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT A MIXED BAG OF DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES, DIFFERENT WHETHER THEY LIVE IN TOWN OR LIVE IN THE COUNTY OR LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WE'RE ALMOST, ALMOST 33% ON THE WAY AROUND ON THAT ONE.
SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT QUITE READY TO PULL DATA JUST YET TO START LOOKING AT IT.
I FEEL LIKE OUR SAMPLE A LITTLE SMALL.
UM, BUT WE DID, UH, DO A TOWN TALK WITH MIKE MC POOL.
TOM AND RICK AND I DID, WELL, THEY DID LESS THE TALKING, WHICH IS GOOD.
UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT WAS WELL RECEIVED AND WE'VE SEEN SOME FEEDBACK ONLINE AS WELL.
UM, THIS WEEK IT'LL GO OUT IN THE CHAMBER'S EMAIL BLAST, SO ALL OF THEIR MEMBERS AS WELL AS WE'LL BE DOING IT ON OUR OWN SOCIAL MEDIA HERE FOR THE TOWN.
UM, IT'S UNDER OUR NEWS FLASH ON THE HOMEPAGE AS WELL AS ON THE FRIDA'S, UH, PAGE ITSELF.
UM, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HANDING OUT A BUNCH OF CARDS.
YOU HAVE SOME MORE THAT I CAN, WE DO.
HILLARY'S GOT 'EM IN HER OFFICE.
UM, PEOPLE ARE SCANNING THE QR CODE 'CAUSE I GET THOSE NOTIFICATIONS TOO, SO.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE OFF TO A REALLY GOOD START.
SO I DO WANNA BRING UP, I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER EXTENDING IT TO THE END OF THE MONTH, UM, DUE TO JUNE 30TH AND SEE WHAT WE GET FROM THERE.
KIND OF, KIND OF SEMI INTRODUCE THAT ON THE TELEVISION SHOW.
I DID, I FLOATED THAT OUT THERE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE HANGING OUT THERE FOREVER, BUT I DO THINK THAT PEOPLE GET BUSY AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE MEMORIAL DAY HOLIDAY AND ALL THOSE THINGS AND, UM, TRANSITIONING THE SCHOOLS GETTING OUT.
YEAH, THERE, THERE WAS A LOT, A LOT HAPPENING ALL AT ONCE RIGHT THERE.
SO I WANNA GIVE FOLKS A LITTLE EXTRA TIME.
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THE CHAMBER PUTS OUT SEVERAL NEWSLETTERS A MONTH.SHE DOES TWO A MONTH I BELIEVE.
AND SHE, SO IF WE COULD GET IN ON THIS ONE AND THEN POSSIBLY GET IN ON THE OTHER ONE AND, HEY, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY DAYS LEFT OR SOMETHING.
AND SHE WAS SUPER RESPECTFUL ABOUT THAT.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE SHE COULD DO TO HELP US OUT? SO THANK YOU FOR SUCCESS.
UM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT.
DO ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS THEY WANNA SHARE? I'M IMPRESSED THAT WE'RE GETTING AS MUCH COMPLETION AS WE ARE, SO I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY SUPER AGGRESSIVE ANSWERS YET.
I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO YOU THREE FOR GOING ON THERE AND PROMOTING IT.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY GOT ME TO GO ON THERE FOR, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT.
MIKE'S A GOOD INTERVIEWER TOO.
HE, HE CAN BRING IT OUT OF YOU.
THAT POSTED THE WE'LL EXAMINER WEBSITE.
UM, SURPRISED HE HADN'T BEEN ON TOWN TALK BEFORE, BUT SHE GOT A PERSONAL INVITATION AS WE HAD MANY A PERSONAL, I KNOW YOU HAVE.
I JUST, I HATE THE WAY MY VOICE SOUNDS ON CAMERA.
I DON'T WATCH THESE MEETINGS BACK EITHER.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T DO IT.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MINE, BUT
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE SURVEY.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ROCK AND ROLLING ON THAT.
UM, DO YOU, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD? OKAY.
DO YOU MIND IF I ROLL INTO YEAH, WE HAVE FOUR.
I JUST WANTED TO SEE, 'CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER IF WE INCLUDED THE QUESTION.
HOW DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THIS SURVEY SO THAT WE COULD JUST SEE AS FAR AS HOW WE'RE PUTTING THE SURVEY OUT THERE.
HOW ARE PEOPLE, ARE THEY GETTING IT FROM THE WEBSITE? ARE THEY GETTING IT FROM WORD OF MOUTH? PEOPLE HAND OUT BUSINESS CARDS.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS PART OF THE, IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION, QR CODE MEANS IT'S BEEN HANDED OUT.
WE WOULD TRACK, YEAH WE CAN, WE CAN TRACK SCAN ON THE QR CODE AND THEN SHE'S GOT THAT NUMBER SO WHEN IT HITS THE CHAMBER NEWSLETTER.
THAT'S PROBABLY A CHAMBER NUMBER WHEN, WHEN WE SEE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE UP TO HERE.
AND WE ARE LIKE, AT SOME LEVEL WE HAVE TO TELL WHERE YEAH, WHERE THEY'RE, WE DIDN'T MAKE IT A QUESTION, BUT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF HOW WE'RE GETTING IT OUT THERE ARE TRACKABLE.
WELL I THINK THAT'S A GREAT NOTE.
I WILL GIVE NIKKI A UNIQUE URL SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO TRACK HOW MANY ARE CLICKING ON IT THROUGH HER.
I MEAN, AND I'M SURE THAT WHATEVER EMAIL SYSTEM SHE USES CAN TRACK CLICK THROUGHS, BUT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT ON OUR THAT'S AWESOME.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHO ALL'S ABLE TO JOIN US ON JUNE 17TH.
SO THEY ARE EXCITED TO TAKE US AROUND AND SHOW US SOME COOL STUFF.
YOU CAN MEET UP TOP OR YOU CAN MEET AT THE BOTTOM.
SO WITH THE, WE WILL GO IN THE FRONT DOOR OF THE BLUE RIDGE TECH CENTER THERE, WHICH IS THE UP TOP.
SO, UM, BECAUSE SCHOOLS SHOULDN'T BE IN SESSION, RIGHT? UH, SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PARK RIGHT THERE ALONG IN BETWEEN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THE BLUE RIDGE TECH CENTER.
UM, OR YOU CAN PARK ON THE RAY AVENUE AND MAKE YOUR WAY UP TO THE, TO THE DOCK THERE.
SO WE'LL MEET THEM AT THE FRONT.
THEY'LL TAKE US THROUGH THE WHOLE FACILITY.
YOU'VE NEVER BEEN, IT'S PRETTY COOL.
SO EVEN IF YOU HAVE BEEN, IT'S COOL.
YEAH, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
SO I'M EXCITED THAT WE, SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE ALMOST EVERYBODY, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, IF SOMETHING CHANGES AND YOU CAN'T BE THERE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST LETTING ME KNOW SO THAT WE'RE NOT WAITING FOR YOU AND WE'VE GOT SOMETHING ELSE TOMORROW.
BUT IF YOU COULD LET ME KNOW, THAT'D BE AWESOME.
UM, AND THEN ATTORNEY FOR FRIDA, WE'RE STILL LOOKING.
SO YEAH, I UM, OBVIOUSLY I LOST ABOUT 23 DAYS BEING OFF, BUT, UM, I DO PLAN FOR THE, THE NEXT BOARD MEETING TO HAVE AT LEAST BE ABLE TO UPDATE, UH, THE BOARD ON CONVERSATIONS I'M HAVING WITH POTENTIAL LEGAL REPRESENTATION.
I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMEBODY KIND OF NARROWED IN BY JULY.
UM, JUST BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE PROBLEMATIC TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT IS NOT TIED TO SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENT HERE TO BE CLOSER.
AND I'M TRYING TO LOOK TO FIND A, SOMEBODY IN THE SHADO VALLEY THAT WILL, WE WILL WE'LL KIND OF UNDERSTAND OUR NEEDS INSTEAD OF GETTING SOMEBODY FROM NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
SO I'M HOPING THAT AT THE MEETING IN JULY TO HAVE SOME, UH, SOME BETTER DIRECTION ON THAT.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST MONTH'S MEETING.
NOW IT'S TRICKY 'CAUSE WE WANT SOMEBODY WHO'S FROM OUR AREA AND, AND KNOW, KNOWS OUR VALLEY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, NOT SOMEONE WHO'S TIED IN WITH ANY PROJECTS PAST OR ONGOING, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO THERE'S LESS RISK OF CONFLICT.
SO I MEAN, I LIKE THE LOCAL, LOCAL AREAS LIKE
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WINCHESTER.IF THERE, I MEAN, CAN WE GIVE YOU ANY, LIKE IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS, I CAN REACH OUT.
YOU KNOW, THE THING IS, IS WE'RE TRYING TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT UNDERSTANDS LOCAL GOVERNMENT, ROBERT RULES OF ORDER AND THEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN BE ABLE TO FACILITATE OUR CONTRACTS AND FACILITATE WHAT WE, THAT NEXT STEP WE NEED TO GO THROUGH.
AND SO, UM, SO YEAH, I HAVE REACHED OUT TO ONE ATTORNEY IN WINCHESTER.
UM, I'M ALSO LOOKING AT A COUPLE ATTORNEYS IN HARRISONBURG.
UM, SO I'M JUST KIND OF TRYING TO FOCUS IN THAT VALLEY.
NOT TO SAY THAT WE COULDN'T GO NORTH.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.
I'M ALSO TRYING TO, UH, TALK TO BDEP TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS AND WHAT, AND ACTUALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S JUST LESSONS LEARNED WHAT THEY'VE ENCOUNTERED, UH, WITH SOME OF THE OTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITIES AND WHAT THEIR ATTORNEY'S, UH, NEEDS ARE AND, AND JUST TRYING TO LEARN, UH, FOR THE, BEFORE WE, UH, PUT EVERYTHING UNDER ONE ATTORNEY.
UH, MOVING ON TO OPEN DISCUSSION.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO BRING UP? I HAVE A LITTLE, WELL, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIGGER THAN A LITTLE.
UM, BUT I, AFTER, AFTER THE LAST MEETING, I WENT HOME AND KIND OF PONDER WHAT, WHAT WE LEARNED.
UM, AND I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO, I GUESS SORT OF BRING MY THINKING INTO, INTO, UH, THAT THAT PROJECT.
UM, I WROTE SEVERAL LETTERS TO TOWN COUNCIL AFTER I WENT BECAUSE I WASN'T REALLY IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME, THE, THE HARDEST WAS WHAT WE ARE DOING.
WE ARE, WE ARE TRYING TO BRING ABOUT ECONOMIC CHANGE WITHIN THE FRONT, WITHIN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
A PROJECT LIKE THAT FROM MY ANALYSIS DOESN'T DO THAT.
IT DOESN'T BENEFIT THE TOWN AND, AND TAX REVENUE OR ANYTHING.
MAYBE HOUSING IF, IF WE IDENTIFY THAT WE WANT MORE RENTERS IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, UM, VERSUS HOMEOWNERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO IT WAS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN I WENT HOME, I LOOKED AT IT AND YOU'RE BA YOU WE WOULD BE SHIFTING ALL OF THAT HOTEL TAX AND A LARGE NUMBER OF, AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO SOUND AS THOUGH I'M ONLY CONCERNED FOR MYSELF 'CAUSE I'M NOT, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT PEOPLE WHO STAY IN A HOTEL, THEY DINE OUT TYPICALLY, WHETHER IT'S MCDONALD'S OR ANY RESTAURANT IN THE TOWN.
UM, SO THERE'S TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO GAIN TAX REVENUE FROM SOMEONE WHO'S STAYING IN A HOTEL ROOM.
IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE STAYING IN AN APARTMENT, YOU ARE LOOKING AT MAYBE 80 TO 90% OF THE DAYS THEY ARE EATING IN, THEY HAVE HOPEFULLY KITCHENETTES OF SOME SORT THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND ALL OF THAT REVENUE NOW DISAPPEARS.
IT BECOMES, IT BECOMES INCOME TAX.
AND SO THE ONLY, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN RECOUP THAT IS ON THE VEHICLES THAT THOSE PEOPLE OWN.
'CAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THE TOWN GETS TOWN DOESN'T GET INCOME TAX REVENUE.
THE TOWN ONLY GETS PROPERTY TAX REVENUE.
UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT RENTERS AND YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, AVERAGE AND I JUST THREW, YOU KNOW, I TOOK LIKE A $22,000 CAR, WHICH IS PROBABLY HIGH FOR, FOR A RENTER, BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF, UM, SHARE WITH YOU ALL SORT OF THE THINKING BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS, THEY MIGHT ON THE SURFACE LOOK GOOD.
BUT THEN IS IT, IS IT SATISFYING OUR GOAL? IS IT SATISFYING WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DO? SO JUST A POINT OF DISCUSSION.
UM, AND I CAN SEND YOU ALL, UH, I DIDN'T BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW I'M, I'M, I HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME TRYING, LIKE, TO ME, THIS DISCUSSION SHOULD GO ON ALL THE TIME.
WE SHOULD BE COLLABORATING, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT WE CAN DO, YOU KNOW, VIA EMAIL, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I JUST KIND OF SIT BACK AND WAIT FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
BUT, UM, IT WOULD BE NICE IF THERE WAS A WAY THAT WE, WE WERE ABLE TO COLLABORATE MORE AS IDEAS COME TO US WHEN WE, BECAUSE I, WHEN I'M IN THIS ROOM, I'M THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ROOM, BUT, BUT SOMETIMES WHEN I LEAVE I'M LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU KNOW WHAT TOM SAID STRUCK ME AS ODD, YOU KNOW, AND, BUT I DON'T REACH OUT BECAUSE I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WANT TO KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, CREATE
BUT IT WAS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I, I WENT, YOU KNOW, AND I I I DRILLED DOWN SOME NUMBERS THAT, THAT WERE COMPLETELY HYPOTHETICAL, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IF, IF, IF THEY HAD, YOU
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KNOW, AND I'LL, I'LL SHARE THAT WITH THE GROUP IF YOU'D LIKE.IT WAS JUST ONE OF THESE THINGS WHERE, UM, WHEN WE WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS, WE JUST HAVE TO, WHAT IS THE GOAL? AND SO THAT I, I ACTUALLY KIND OF, UM, WANT TO KIND OF GO BACK TO THAT AND SAY, WHAT IS OUR GOAL? AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO? BECAUSE WHEN, YOU KNOW THAT, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, GOOD PRESENTATION, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, IT, WE COULDN'T VOTE ON IT.
AND SO IT JUST SEEMED LIKE, UM, WE COULD HAVE JUST GOTTEN INFORMATION WITHOUT, AND THAT WAS THE NEWSPAPER AND THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT WE WERE DOING RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE AS RDA DON'T HAVE ANY SORT OF AUTHORITY TO PASS JUDGMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON PROJECT.
WELL, I MEAN, BUT THE NEWSPAPER THE NEXT DAY MADE IT SOUND LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THEY, THEY KIND OF PUT US AGAINST TOWN COUNCIL IN A, IN A VERY ODD WAY.
AND SO IT WAS JUST SORT OF, YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD JOE.
UM, I, I MISSED THE LAST MEETING.
THE, THE IDEA WAS TO BRING BAYMONT FOR YOU THAT YOU'RE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.
UH, I THINK, UH, IN MY POSITION RIGHT NOW, WHAT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT SINCE THAT HAPPENED WAS IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, FRITO WOULD'VE, WOULD'VE BEEN GLADLY TO ENGAGE BAYMONT IF THEY HAD ENGAGED US BEFORE THEY WENT DOWN THIS ROAD OF CONVERTING.
AND WE COULD HAVE HELPED THEM FACILITATE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
BUT FOR EXAMPLE, WITH BAYMONT, THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR BUSINESS PLAN.
TO ME, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD WEIGH IN ON THAT AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THEY ARE FOLLOWING WHAT THEY CAN BY RIGHT.
AND GOING THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, SO I THINK FOR OUR STANCE AT THIS POINT, WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT THEM IF THEY NEED IT.
BUT AT THIS POINT, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ASKING FOR ANY SUPPORT.
MY, MY THOUGHT WAS TO BRING THAT TO YOU, TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THESE ARE THINKINGS OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.
THAT, THAT WHERE WE CAN REDEVELOP EXISTING PROPERTIES TO DO OTHER THINGS.
SO, AND I HAVE A THOUGHT WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US WAS NOT, THE PROJECT ITSELF WAS THE IDEA OF WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO.
AND WHAT WE VOTED ON THAT DAY WAS TO SUPPORT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE THOSE TWO CHANGES.
THERE'S STILL A WHOLE PROCESS HE'S GOTTA GO THROUGH.
BUT IF HE DOESN'T GET THOSE TWO CHANGES, HIS PROCESS COMES TO A HALT.
I'M JUST SAYING FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, ARE WE HERE TO INCREASE TAX BASE? ARE WE HERE TO SORT OF SHORE UP, YOU KNOW, UM, OR ARE WE HERE TO DO THAT? UM, I THINK IT'S PART OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
IF WE HAVE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY, I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER, YOU KNOW, I, I GOTTA SEE A WHOLE LOT MORE, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT WASN'T AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE PROJECT.
IT WAS JUST AN ENDORSEMENT OF THOSE TWO.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS RECOMMENDING TO VACATE THE 30 FOOT THING AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER.
AND THAT'S ALL THEY WERE ASKING.
AND I THINK ADDITIONAL PARKING WOULD BE, UH, YEAH, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY'RE ABLE TO EXERCISE WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
RIGHT NOW HE COULD PUT 89 PEOPLE IN THOSE 89 HOTEL ROOMS FROM WHEREVER HE WANTS TO.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM YOU GOT IS YOU GOT A LANDOWNER WHO'S HAVING DIFFICULTY SURVIVING AS A HOTEL.
AND HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE A WEEK TO WEEK LANDOWNER.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS INVOLVED WITH, HE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE PROACTIVE.
UM, WHERE WE, WE JUST FOUND OUT WE ARE LIMITED ON OUR RENTAL, YOU KNOW, VACANCIES AND I, I SEE IT AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW FOR SO MONEY GENERATED.
UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH MONEY HE'S GENERATING AS A HOTEL.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE THAT MANY CARS THERE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
SO I THINK THIS MAN'S TRYING TO SURVIVE.
IN WHAT WAY COULD HE BENEFIT FROM ROYAL? THAT'S THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
THAT'S, THAT'S CREATING ISSUES.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I I, I'VE SEEN THE CUSTOM TRUCKS IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LOCATION NOW WHERE THEY USED TO BE PARKED IN HIS, HIS LOT.
UM, AND SO, AND, AND THEY ALSO USED TO BE UP BY LOWE'S THERE TOO.
BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT AS MUCH.
AND SO I, I GUESS TO ME, WHEN I, WHEN I SEE SOME OF THIS STUFF, IT'S LIKE, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH WE'RE ALMOST CREATING SOME OF OUR OWN PROBLEMS. BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE DISCOVERED THAT THERE'S MORE MONEY TO BE MADE IN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL VERSUS THE, VERSUS HAVING A, A LONG TERM TENANT, AN ANNUAL TENANT, IT'S ABOUT THREE TIMES AS MUCH.
UM, SO THERE'S A PUSH TO DO IT.
UM, AND, AND SO, BUT BY DOING IT, YOU'RE TAKING, YOU'RE TAKING MONEY OUT OF THAT GENTLEMAN'S POCKET AND NOW HE'S HAVING TO LOOK FOR ANOTHER ANSWER.
UM, SO IT, IT IS SORT OF ONE OF THESE THINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT IT AS ONE,
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ONE THING'S CREATING A PROBLEM FOR ANOTHER.AND, AND, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WAS MY THINKING.
I GUESS WHEN I, WHEN I LEFT THE, THE ROOM
AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE, THE WATER GOT A LITTLE MUDDY.
BUT YEAH, NO, I THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD INFORMATION FOR Y'ALL TO BE BROUGHT UP TO PAY AMOUNT BECAUSE I, LIKE I SAID, I, I STILL THINK THIS IS THINKING OUTTA THE BOX OF REDEVELOPING AN EXISTING PROPERTY TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
AND WE WILL TRY TO BRING, SO LIKE BAYMONT GOT IN FRONT OF US A LITTLE TOO EARLY OR A LITTLE TOO LATE.
SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WHEN WE GET SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE'D LIKE TO GET IT TO YOU BEFORE THE PC GETS ALL THE WAY VETTED THROUGH SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE SOME VALUE FOR COMMENTS DURING THAT PERIOD.
HE'S, HE'S ALREADY CONDUCTED TOURS WITH COUNSEL AND I'M SURE OPINIONS ARE BEING FORMULATED.
I'VE SPOKEN TO A COUPLE PEOPLE ABOUT IT.
I JUST, I, IT WAS JUST SOMETHING TO ME, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S LIKE, IS IT ADDRESSING OUR GOALS? UH, YOU KNOW, OR, UM, SO ANYWAY, AND THIS ITEM WILL BE DISCUSSED TONIGHT AT THE WORK SESSION TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION.
SO, UH, WE WILL KNOW, UH, A LOT MORE AFTER TONIGHT WHAT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION IS.
UH, CAN I HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED.
UM, VICE-CHAIRMAN, NICHOLAS SA.
ARE YOU IN THE TRUMP JURY NOW?
HEY, WE GOTTA TAKE A LONG TIME.