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VERY GOOD.[1. INTRODUCTION (5 minutes) – Joe Waltz, Town Manager]
THANK, WANNA THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING TO THE MAIN STREET SOLID WASTE SERVICES PUBLIC MEETING.I'M BJ WILSON, DIRECTOR OF FINANCE FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
I'M FILLING IN FOR JOE WALTZ, OUR TOWN MANAGER.
UH, WE ARE VIDEO RECORDING BOTH MEETINGS TODAY, THE 10 O'CLOCK ONE, WHICH IS CURRENT, AND THE 5:00 PM THAT WE'LL BE HAVING THIS AFTERNOON.
UH, AND WE'LL HAVE THE MEETINGS POSTED ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE, UH, FOR AUTO REVIEW.
HERE TODAY WE HAVE WITH US, UH, CYNTHIA MOORE MILE AND JOHN CULBERTSON WITH MSW CONSULTANTS, UH, THE TOWN FRONT ROYAL CONSULT, OR CONTRACTED WITH MSW CONSULTANTS SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, UH, TO PERFORM A COST OF SERVICE STUDY AND RATE, UH, RATE STUDY FOR THE TOWN SOLID WASTE SERVICES.
UH, MSW HAS TAKEN A DEEP DIVE INTO THE SERVICES AND FINANCES, UH, FINANCIALS REGARDING THE SOLID WASTE FOR THE TOWN, AND PRESENTED SOME OF THE FINDINGS TO TOWN COUNCIL, UH, DURING A WORK SESSION A FEW MONTHS AGO.
WE'RE HERE TODAY TO SPEC SPECIFICALLY, UH, DISCUSS CHALLENGES CONCERNING GARBAGE COLLECTION AND BILLING RATES FOR THE COMMUNITY.
DUMPSTERS LOCATED ON PEYTON STREET AND, UH, JACKSON, UH, STREET PARKING AREAS ON, UH, NEAR MAIN STREET.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW MSW CONSULTANTS TO REVIEW THEIR PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE UP HERE.
UH, IF ANYBODY LIKE, THERE'S, UH, PRESENTATIONS BY THE DOOR THERE.
AS YOU COME IN, UH, REVIEW THEIR PRESENTATION FIRST, AND THEN AT THE END WE'LL OBTAIN PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC INPUT, FEEDBACK, AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT, UH, YOU GUYS MAY HAVE.
UH, SINCE WE ARE RECORDING THIS MEETING, DURING THE PUBLIC, UH, INPUT, UH, QUESTIONS SECTIONS, WE ASK THAT YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE SO THAT WAY EVERYONE CAN HEAR, UM, AND STATE YOUR NAME AND, UM, ASSOCIATION WITH THE MAIN STREET.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JOHN CYNTHIA.
[2. FRONT ROYAL MAIN STREET SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT PRESENTATION (25 minutes)]
BJ.UM, JOHN CULBERTSON WITH MSW CONSULTANTS.
UM, THE SETUP HERE IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT INTERESTING BECAUSE I'M GONNA BE LOOKING OVER MY SHOULDER FROM TIME TO TIME JUST TO GET QUEUED UP WITH, UH, WITH THE INFORMATION I HAVE FOR YOU.
UM, I'M A PRINCIPAL WITH MSW CONSULTANTS.
UM, WE ARE A, UH, MANAGEMENT CONSULTING COMPANY THAT SPECIALIZES IN THE MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE SERVICE SECTOR.
SO OUR, OUR CLIENTS ARE, UM, CITIES AND COUNTIES AND TOWNS AND STATE AGENCIES AND SOLID WASTE AUTHORITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY, UH, THAT HAVE A HAND IN SOME REGARD, UH, IN THE SOLID WASTE FIELD.
AND AMONG THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE, UH, INCLUDE, UH, WHAT WE WOULD CALL ESSENTIALLY UTILITY COST OF SERVICE AND RATE STUDY.
UM, EVEN THOUGH SOLID WASTE DOESN'T HAVE METERS, UH, IT'S STILL A WELL-DEFINED SERVICE DELIVERED TO, UH, CUSTOMERS OF DIFFERENT CUSTOMER CLASSES, RESIDENTIAL, NON RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT, IT FOLLOWS ALL THOSE MODELS.
SO WE BRING THOSE UTILITY RATE SETTING PRINCIPLES INTO, UH, THE SOLID WASTE SECTOR FOR OUR MUNICIPAL CLIENTS.
UH, WE'RE BASED IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA.
WE HAVE OFFICES, UM, UH, A COUPLE OF OTHER OFFICES ON THE EAST COAST.
WE ACTUALLY DO WORK NATIONALLY.
UH, AND SO WE'RE SPECIALISTS IN THE INDUSTRY AND WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT SYSTEMS IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT STATES.
UM, I'M A PRINCIPAL, SO I LIKE TO GET UP AND TALK, BUT HONESTLY, THE BRAINS OF OUR OPERATION AND OUR PROJECT MANAGER HERE IS HERE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY HARD QUESTIONS, REALLY, UH, CYNTHIA WILL BE HELPING ME ANSWER THOSE IN TERMS OF THE DETAILS OF THE STUDY.
SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HERE.
FRANKLY, OUR PHILOSOPHY IN THIS WORK IS THAT WE SERVE AS A RESOURCE TO OUR CLIENTS.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO A, A RESPONSIBLE, THOROUGH JOB COMPILING THE INFORMATION, UH, AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO PRESENT IT TO STAKEHOLDERS TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITIES.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, ONE THING THAT HAS BECOME, YOU KNOW, PARAMOUNT SOLID WASTE, IT'S A, IT'S A LOCAL COMMUNITY SERVICE, AND COMMUNITY VALUES DRIVE HOW THAT SERVICE GOES.
AND SO WE TRY TO BE RESPECTFUL AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING OUR, PUTTING OUR WORK TOGETHER.
SO I'VE GOT A FEW SLIDES TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND OF THE, OF, OF KIND OF WHAT GOT US TO THIS POINT.
BJ MENTIONED THAT WE DID A COST OF SERVICE STUDY, AND ESSENTIALLY THAT IS, UH, US TAKING THE TIME TO WORK WITH THE TOWN TO PULL OUT FINANCIAL DATA, UH, OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS, UH, HOUSEHOLD SERVE, CUSTOMER SERVE, TONNAGES COLLECTED.
AND WE, WE BUILD A FINANCIAL MODEL AND ESSENTIALLY CAN USE, YOU KNOW, BASED OUR, ON OUR ASSUMPTIONS AND THE COLLABORATION THAT WE HAVE FROM THE TOWN.
UM, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY SOLVING FOR, UH, THE COST OF SERVICE OF THE VARIOUS COLLECTION SERVICES TO DIFFERENT CUSTOMER CLASSES.
AND SO I THINK, I THINK I'VE GOT SOME PICTURES COMING UP.
UM, WE TEND TO THINK OF A SOLID WASTE UTILITY AS HAVING A NUMBER OF, UH, SORT OF WELL-DEFINED FEATURES TO IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, SO AS, AS THIS SLIDE SHOWS, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, THERE REALLY ARE A COMBINATION OF SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED TO COLLECT, TO MAKE YOUR TRASH AND RECYCLING GO AWAY.
THERE ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, SOME COUPLE DIFFERENT SERVICES NEEDED.
THERE'S A COLLECTION COMPONENT, UH, WITH TRUCKS AND, AND CONTAINERS.
UH, AND THEN THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PROCESSING OF RECYCLING.
SO IF THERE'S RECYCLABLES OR GREEN WASTE OR OTHER MATERIALS THAT DON'T GO TO A LANDFILL, THERE'S PROCESSING AND RECOVERING THOSE MATERIALS, AND THEN THEY'RE END OF LIFE MATERIALS THAT GO TO LANDFILL, YOU KNOW, SO YOU NEED A DISPOSAL, AND, AND THAT COULD EITHER BE IN YOUR SYSTEM OR YOU COULD BE RELYING ON THIRD PARTY, AND
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THEN CERTAINLY YOU HAVE TO MANAGE IT.AND SO OUR COST OF SERVICE MODELS KIND OF BREAK DOWN THE UNDERLYING COST OF SOLID WASTE, UH, SERVICES INTO, INTO THESE COMPONENTS, BECAUSE THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND AND KIND OF VERIFY THAT THINGS ARE, THINGS ARE REASONABLY, YOU KNOW, GOING ON REASONABLY WITHIN RANGES, UH, SOME OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
SO IN FRONT ROYAL, UM, THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, TOWN IS IN PUBLICLY IN THE BUSINESS.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE CONTRACTED SERVICES OUT TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DELIVER COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL SERVICES.
UM, AND SO THE TOWN IS BASICALLY PREDOMINANTLY SERVING THE RESIDENTIAL SECTOR.
SO THAT'S THE PHOTOGRAPH ON THE LEFT.
AND, YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE THINK OF TRASH COLLECTION, THEY THINK OF RESIDENTIAL CURBSIDE.
BUT WHAT WE UNCOVERED AS WE WERE DOING THIS WORK IS, IS KEEPING THE MAIN STREET AREA, UH, CLEAN AND FREE OF DEBRIS AND PROVIDING SERVICE.
WE ESSENTIALLY DEFINED A, A CUSTOMER CLASS FOR THE MAIN STREET AREA BECAUSE IT'S GOT VERY DIFFERENT SERVICE CHARACTERISTICS THAN GOING DOOR TO DOOR CURB TO CURB, UH, KIND OF ON A RESIDENTIAL SECTOR.
AND, AND YOU CAN ALMOST THINK ABOUT IT RESIDENTIALLY.
IT'S VERY EASY TO DEFINE A SERVICE.
YOU GOTTA SEND A TRUCK DOWN THE STREET AND YOU COLLECT WHAT'S OUT.
THE AMOUNT OF WASTE IS FALLS, IT'S VERY RANGE BOUND.
UH, SO RESIDENTIAL SERVICE KIND OF VERY CLEAR AND STANDARD.
WHAT WE UNCOVERED IS IN MAIN STREET, LOTS OF DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE USERS AND SOME SHARED CONTAINERS.
AND, UM, NOT AT ALL, WELL-DEFINED ON KIND OF A BUSINESS RESIDENT LEVEL IN TERMS OF HOW SERVICE IS DELIVERED DUE TO THE, THE DENSITY AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE ALLEYS AND JUST THE, THE MIXED USE PROPERTIES.
SO WHAT WE FOUND, AND I THINK THIS WAS NOT SURPRISING, UM, SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME ROUND NUMBERS, THE OVERALL SPEND IN FRONT ROYAL ON PR PROVIDING SERVICES ABOUT $1.4 MILLION.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THAT INCLUDES, PARDON ME, WE'LL SAVE THE RECORDING FOR MY CLEARING, MY THROAT, APOLOGIES.
SO, UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE FOUND IS THE MAJORITY OF THE EXPENSE FOR SOLID WASTE SERVICES IN FRONT ROYAL IS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SECTOR.
UM, BUT ABOUT 6% OF, OF THE OVERALL COST IS, THIS IS THE MAIN STREET AREA.
UM, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, AS I DESCRIBED, THERE ARE VERY, THERE ARE VERY DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF SERVICES.
AND SO BY THE WAY, THESE COSTS ARE, ARE INCLUSIVE OF DIRECT OPERATING EXPENSE.
YOU'VE GOTTA REPLACE YOUR VEHICLES, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A MANAGEMENT ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION.
SO WE, WE BRING ALL OF THAT TOGETHER, AND THAT'S ALL BUILT IN COLLABORATION WITH THE TOWN.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL THIS, WE, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS, WILL BE AVAILABLE IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THE DETAILS OF THE OVERALL STUDY.
BUT ESSENTIALLY WE'RE ABLE TO THEN SOLVE FOR WHAT WE WOULD CALL REVENUE SUFFICIENT RATES.
SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHARGED TO, TO DIFFERENT CUSTOMER CLASSES.
SO I'M GONNA JUMP JUST QUICKLY TO MAIN STREET.
SO SOME OF YOU, UH, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, MAY KNOW THIS.
UM, SO RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLDS ON MAIN STREET, CURRENT RATES 14, A LITTLE OVER $14 PER MONTH.
COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES PLAN, YOU KNOW, PAY $26 PER MONTH.
UM, AND WHAT WE IDENTIFIED IS, UM, YOU HAVE BUSINESSES OF DIFFERENT SIZES, DIFFERENT TYPES, DIFFERENT WASTE PROFILES, DIFFERENT WASTE GENERATION RATES AT THE MOMENT, THERE'S A FLAT RATE.
UM, AND I THINK THE SECOND THING WE REALIZE IS WITH THE UTILITY BILLING, UM, THE BILLING AT THE MOMENT IS LIMITED TO CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE METERS, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT KNOWS THAT SOMEBODY IS, THERE'S A FUNCTION THAT COULD BE GENERATING TRASH.
UM, AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CURRENTLY UNBUILT ACCOUNTS, UM, FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA BECAUSE IT'S LIMITED TO, UH, KIND OF A UTILITY MODEL.
AND REALLY, THIS IS KIND OF GETS TO WHAT BRINGS US HERE TODAY, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UH, THE ALLOCATION OF ALL OF THE CITY'S SERVICES, COST TO DISPOSAL, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS.
THE OVERALL COST, AGAIN, IN SOME REGARDS, NOT A HUGE NUMBER OUT OF THE OVERALL $1.4 MILLION BUDGET.
YOU KNOW, $85,000 IS A TOTAL COST TO SERVE AND KEEP MAIN STREET FREE OF, YOU KNOW, TRASH AND, UH, SERVE THOSE CONTAINERS.
BUT THE CURRENT REVENUE RECOVERY IS, IS VASTLY INSUFFICIENT THE MOMENT, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, ALMOST AN 82% DEFICIT, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY HIGH IN ANY REGARD.
I THINK HISTORICALLY IT'S KIND OF BEEN LOST BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE TOWN'S FOCUS IS ON ITS RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER BASE.
AND I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF UNCOVERED THIS THROUGH THIS STUDY.
UH, AND SO ESSENTIALLY THAT, YOU KNOW, AS CONSULTANTS, I MEAN, WE SORT OF LOOK AT BEST PRACTICES FOR, UH, FOR OFFERING SOLID WASTE SERVICES AND FUNDING THOSE SERVICES.
AND ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, CONCLUDED THAT, UM, IF YOU REALLY THINK OF SOLID WASTE COLLECTION, DISPOSAL, RECYCLING AS UTILITY KIND OF CONCEPTUALLY, YOU, YOU WANT YOUR, THE CONSUMERS OF THOSE SERVICES TO, YOU KNOW, PAY A, PAY A, YOU KNOW, A FAIR AND TRANSPARENT RATE FOR THOSE SERVICES.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, UH, IN THE MAIN STREET AREA.
AND SO, UM, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH OUR OVERALL COST
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OF SERVICE FINDINGS, WE, WE, UH, SPOKE TO THE, THE TOWN COUNCIL, UM, AND IT WAS JUST ESSENTIALLY REALIZED, HEY, LET'S GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND EXPLAIN WHAT WE DID, EXPLAIN WHAT WE FOUND, UM, AND, AND NOT JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS THAT HEY, THERE'S A RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY IS TO SEEK SOME FEEDBACK ON, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE, TO INFORM, UH, THE MAIN STREET AREA AND REALLY ANY RESIDENT, ANY, ANY STAKEHOLDER OF, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET WHERE WE ARE, WHAT DID WE FIND? SO THERE'S, THERE'S AN INFORMATIONAL COMPONENT.
AND THEN FRANKLY, JUST TO GET SOME, SOME, YOU KNOW, HONEST FEEDBACK, HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS A WAY TO START CLOSING THAT GAP BETWEEN COST OF SERVICE AND, UH, THE ABILITY TO CHARGE, UH, CUSTOMERS FAIRLY FOR THE SERVICES BEING RECEIVED.
THIS IS, THIS IS MY, THIS IS MY KICKOFF SLIDE.
UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE, WE'RE REQUESTING FEEDBACK AND, AND I GUESS I'LL, I GUESS I'LL TAKE A QUICK PAUSE.
I, I GUESS WE, WE WILL DO QUESTIONS ALL THE WAY AT THE END.
WE'LL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO THAT WAY.
SO HAVING IDENTIFIED, UM, THIS ISSUE, UH, WE ALSO UNDERTOOK A LITTLE BIT OF A BRAINSTORMING SESSION, UM, WITH, UH, TOWN MANAGEMENT, UM, WHERE WE AS MSW CONSULTANTS DREW FROM, UM, PRACTICES THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE USED TO GENERATE REVENUE, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MORE THAN, MORE THAN ONE, UH, MORE THAN ONE WAY TO SKIN A CAT, IF YOU WILL.
AND SO THE SECOND PART OF THE SLIDES THAT WE HAVE HERE THIS MORNING THAT WE WANTED TO PRESENT TO YOU ARE JUST TO TALK ABOUT, UM, WAYS THAT, UH, COULD BE, UH, APPLIED OR USED HERE IN FRONT ROYAL AND THAT WE HAVE SEEN USED EFFECTIVELY, OR IN SOME CASES INEFFECTIVELY IN, IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
UH, AND I THINK OUR IDEA, AGAIN, IS TO, YOU KNOW, OFFER IDEAS, DESCRIBE HOW THEY MIGHT WORK, BUT ULTIMATELY GET FEEDBACK FROM THE FOLKS WHO ARE GONNA BE POTENTIALLY IMPACTED, UM, AS THE TOWN SEEKS TO, YOU KNOW, BRING FULL REVENUE RECOVERY INTO THE MAIN STREET AREA.
AND AS THIS SLIDE SHOWS, UM, WE REALLY IDENTIFIED KIND OF THREE, UM, REVENUE MODELS.
AND SOME OF THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT TECHNICAL, BUT, UH, THE, THE NEXT SLIDES I HAVE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH, UH, BOTH, UM, USING A PURE TAX.
AND YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING A NEW TAX TOO OFTEN, SO I'M GONNA TREAD LIGHTLY ON THAT ONE.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DISCUSS THE PROS AND CONS OF ALL THE OPTIONS.
UM, AND THEN THE FINAL TWO, A SOLID WASTE ASSESSMENT OR A USER FEE ON A UTILITY BILL ARE REALLY VERY SIMILAR.
THE DIFFERENCE BEING HOW THEY ARE, UH, DELIVERED TO CUSTOMERS.
AN ASSESSMENT, UH, COMES ON A PROPERTY TAX BILL.
UM, SO THERE'S, UH, YOU'RE ENGAGING YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY APPRAISER, YOUR TAX ASSESSOR, UH, AND USING THAT AS A BILLING MECHANISM, WHEREAS YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH CURRENT UTILITY BILLING THAT COMES RIGHT ON THE UTILITY BILL.
SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THE REVENUE CAN BE RECOVERED.
AND SO I'LL GO THROUGH, GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, EACH OF THESE IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
SO WHAT IS A SOLID WASTE TAX? UH, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
IT IS A TAX THAT IS DEDICATED TO SOLID WASTE.
AND, AND I GUESS CONCEPTUALLY IN FRONT ROYAL, THERE WOULD BE, IMAGINE A, YOU KNOW, A MAIN STREET, UH, A MAIN STREET TAX DISTRICT AND A SOLID WASTE TAX COULD BE USED THAT WOULD BE BASED ON THE, THE APPRAISED VALUE OF THE PARCELS ON MAIN STREET.
AND IT WOULD BE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PROPERTY TAX.
IT WOULD BE VILLAGE BASED, UH, YOU KNOW, BE BASED ON, ON THE VALUE OF PROPERTY.
AND SO WE, WE DID A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, OF LOOKING INTO THINGS.
WE FOUND, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SLIDE HERE 'CAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER THESE DETAILS.
UH, WE FOUND 50 PARCELS, THE TOTAL VALUE, ALMOST $21 MILLION.
SO TO RECOVER $86,000 ON THAT, A TAX WOULD BE 41 CENTS PER $100 OF VALUATION, UH, TO COVER THAT.
AND SO WHEN WE THEN SPREAD THAT TAX OUT BASED ON THE PARCEL DATA, UM, DIFFERENT, UH, UH, THE PARCEL OWNERS WOULD PAY ANYWHERE FROM 79 CENTS A MONTH TO ALMOST $600 A MONTH BASED ON THEIR PROPERTY VALUE.
SO, UH, WHICH IS REALLY INTERESTING.
SO THERE'S SOME GREAT BENEFITS OF A TAX.
NUMBER ONE, PEOPLE TEND TO PAY THEIR TAXES 'CAUSE OTHERWISE YOU GET, YOU KNOW, LIENS ON YOUR PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S GOOD, THERE'S GOOD REVENUE RECOVERY, UM, AND CERTAINLY, UM, IT, IT, IT'S A VERY STRONG FORM FOR THE TOWN TO RECOVER, UH, YOU KNOW, RECOVER EXPENSES.
UM, HOWEVER, THE DISADVANTAGES ARE, NUMBER ONE, IT IS A NEW TAX AND WE, I THINK WE DON'T LIKE A WHOLE LOT OF NEW TAXES BECAUSE THAT THIS TRULY WOULD BE, UH, THE DEFINITION OF ACTUALLY USING A TAX.
THIS WOULD REQUIRE THE TOWN TO WORK OUT SOME ISSUES, MAYBE INCUR SOME ADDITIONAL EXPENSE, UH, TO GET ON THE PROPERTY TAX BILL, TO FORM THE TAX DISTRICT TO, TO GO THROUGH THOSE STEPS.
WE ARE NOT TAX ADVISORS, SO I HAVE TO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL THAT I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF HOW THAT GOES.
BUT THERE'S SOME ADMINISTRATIVE FRICTION IN ORDER TO GET THIS IN PLACE.
AND CANDIDLY, THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH IT, UH, IS WE ARE NOT AWARE OF ANY STUDIES THAT CORRELATE, UM, THE VALUE OF A, OF A TAXABLE PARCEL
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TO THE AMOUNT OF TRASH AND RECYCLING GENERATED AND THE COST TO SERVE THAT PARTICULAR ENTITY.AND FOR THAT REASON, WE DON'T SEE VERY MANY, UH, MUNICIPALITIES THAT USE SOLID WASTE TAXES.
THE ONES THAT DO, THEY'VE JUST BEEN THAT WAY FOR 50 OR A HUNDRED YEARS AND NOBODY'S EVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
UM, AND THEY WORK VERY WELL FOR REVENUE RECOVERY, BUT NOT SO WELL FOR, UM, KIND OF FAIRLY APPORTIONING THE COST TO THE GENERATORS OF WASTE AND RECYCLING THAT NEED THE SERVICE.
SO THAT, THAT'S OPTION ONE THAT WE LOOKED AT.
SO OPTION NUMBER TWO, UM, IS A, THE TERM THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HEARD USED IS A NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT.
SOME PLACE, SOME STATES CALL 'EM SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS.
UM, WE HAVE ACTUALLY NOT RESEARCHED THE MECHANICS OF THIS IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, UM, FAMILIAR WITH IT IN FOUR OR FIVE STATES IN PRETTY GOOD DETAIL, JUST FOR WHATEVER REASON, NOT IN VIRGINIA.
BUT ESSENTIALLY, UM, THE NOTION OF A NON-AD ALARM ASSESSMENT IS TO USE THE PROPERTY TAX BILL, UH, YOU KNOW, AS THE, THE MECHANISM TO, TO CHARGE, BUT TO ACTUALLY CALCULATE A, A MORE FAIR FEE THAT REFLECTS THE COST OF SERVICE TO A PARTICULAR PARCEL.
AND SO, UM, UH, MAYBE TO SOME PEOPLE THAT'S A NOT AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.
THEY'RE STILL GONNA THINK IT'S A TAX, BUT IT REALLY IS NOT A TAX IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S NOT BASED ON THE VALUE OF THE PARCEL.
IT, THE, THE CHARGE IS BASED ON THE COST OF THE SERVICE BEING PROVIDED, IT JUST IS BEING BILLED ON A PROPERTY TAX.
AND SO WE LOOKED A LITTLE BIT AT THAT AND, AND WHAT WE FOUND IS, UM, UH, AGAIN, THERE, THERE, THEN ONCE YOU HAVE ALL THE PARCELS, THEN YOU HAVE TO PLAY AROUND WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE RATES LOOK LIKE.
SO, UH, IF WE FORCED ALL PARCELS TO PAY THE SAME ASSESSMENT, ABOUT $145 A MONTH, UM, IF WE SEGMENT THE RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL FEE IS ABOUT $18.
UH, UM, AND THEN, UM, FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL ABOUT 1500, I'M SORRY, 133.
SO YOU CAN DO A LITTLE SEGMENTATION JUST BY RESIDENTIAL NON-RESIDENTIAL.
UM, OR, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT TYPICALLY LARGER, LARGER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE, IS DEVELOP SOME, SOME TIERS OF DIFFERENT, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL USERS.
SO SMALL BUSINESS, MEDIUM BUSINESS, LARGE BUSINESS.
AND, AND I'LL, I'LL GO INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO THERE'RE KIND OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO ESTABLISH AN ASSESSMENT AND, UH, AND SO WHAT WE THINK IS, UM, IN, IN TERMS OF THE BENEFITS, BECAUSE THEY'RE ASSESSED ON THE TAX ROLL, YOU TEND TO GET GOOD HIGH REVENUE RECOVERY.
SO THEY'RE VERY POSITIVE IN THAT REGARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST KIND OF ALL THE, ALL THE PLUSES OF TAX, YOU, YOU KIND OF GET THOSE BENEFITS.
UM, UH, SOME DISADVANTAGES THERE.
CERTAINLY, UH, IT CREATES SOME COMPLEXITY WITH THE DIFFERENT TIERS AND, AND CANDIDLY, UM, UM, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE CHALLENGE, UM, CAN BE IN JUST THE OVERALL, UH, TAX ASSESSOR HAVING THE RIGHT DATA, UM, YOU KNOW, TO BASICALLY ASSESS PROPERTY TAXES, YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW A WHOLE LOT.
YOU NEED TO KNOW THE PARCEL, YOU NEED TO KNOW THE VALUE, UM, TO DELIVER SOLID WASTE SERVICES, YOU NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE DIFFERENT USERS ON THE PARCEL.
SO, UM, IT, THERE'S STILL, IT, IT STILL RETAINED SOME DIFFICULTY IN, IN BREAKING THAT DOWN.
UH, NOT TO MENTION JUST SOME OF THE, UH, UH, COLLABORATION WITH THE TAX ASSESSOR TO PUT THIS IN PLACE.
IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN COULD SNAP ITS FINGERS AND HAVE DELIVERED.
IT WOULD TAKE SOME SUBSEQUENT DOING, UH, TO GET AN ASSESSMENT IN PLACE.
SO THAT BRINGS ME TO OPTION THREE, WHICH IS UTILITY BILLING, WHICH IS THE CURRENT, BY THE WAY, CURRENT OPTION.
SO CURRENTLY, UH, THE TOWN FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS, UH, DELIVERS UTILITY BILLS.
UM, MAKES SENSE NOW, UH, IT TURNS OUT THAT, UH, AND THIS IS VERY COMMON IN THE WASTE INDUSTRY, THAT UTILITY BILLING, UM, IS TYPICALLY PIGGYBACKED ON METER BASED UTILITIES.
SO, UH, IF YOU GO AROUND THE COUNTRY, MANY COMMUNITIES HAVE UTILITY BILLS WHERE THEIR SOLID WASTE CHARGE GOES ON THEIR WATER SEWER, ON THEIR ELECTRIC, ON SOME OTHER UTILITY BILL.
AND THAT IS, THAT IS THE CASE HERE AS WELL.
AND SO UTILITY BILLS ARE GREAT 'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE TOWN'S USED TO THEM FOLKS THAT ARE CURRENTLY, UH, HAVE A METER ARE GETTING A BILL AND IT'S GOT A SOLID WASTE CHARGE.
SO, SO, YOU KNOW, FOLKS ARE USED TO THAT.
WE LOOKED A LITTLE BIT AT THE BREAKDOWN.
UM, AND SO WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT THE LIST OF CUSTOMERS IN UTILITY BILLING IS A DIFFERENT NUMBER AND TYPE THAN THE PARCELS IN THE TAX DATABASE.
THAT, THAT YOU, YOU WOULD, IN A PERFECT WORLD, YOU WOULD HOPE THAT THOSE TWO CUSTOMER LISTS, UH, WERE THE SAME AND WERE CONSISTENT AND WERE COMPLETE AND WERE ACCURATE.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE UNCOVERED IS WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, AND THIS IS FRANKLY ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO, TO SHARE IN THIS, THIS PRESENTATION, IS THAT, UH, THERE JUST ARE DIFFERENCES IN THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE KNOWN BY THE TOWN THROUGH THEIR UTILITY SYSTEM VERSUS THE PARCELS THAT ARE KNOWN THROUGH THE, THE TAX ASSESSOR, UH, FOR THROUGH THOSE ORGANIZATIONS.
UH, SO NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU GO, THERE PROBABLY ARE GOING TO BE DATA GAPS
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IN HAVING A FULL LIST OF CUSTOMERS.SO THAT, THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING I THINK TO, TO KEEP AWARE OF.
SO, UH, IN TERMS OF, AGAIN, WE, WE COULD BREAK THINGS, THINGS DOWN ON A UTILITY BILL.
WE COULD CHARGE ALL CUSTOMERS THE SAME, WE COULD DO A RESIDENTIAL NON-RESIDENTIAL.
YOU CAN SEE SOME NUMBERS ON THIS SLIDE THAT, THAT SHOW WHAT THAT DIFFERENTIATION WOULD BE.
OR WE COULD COME BACK TO THIS NOTION OF, OF TIERED RATES WHERE WE'D HAVE A RESIDENTIAL AND THEN SOME TIERED COMMERCIAL.
AND I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.
SO, UM, SOME BENEFITS, OBVIOUSLY THE MAIN BENEFIT IS THAT, UH, THE TOWN IS ALREADY FULLY, YOU KNOW, HAS THIS UTILITY BILLING CAPABILITY.
SO, UM, IT WOULD JUST BE CONTINUING THE STATUS QUO IN TERMS OF, UH, REVENUE RECOVERY THROUGH THAT MECHANISM.
UH, I THINK HOWEVER, THE DISADVANTAGES, UM, IS THAT, UH, UM, IN TERMS OF CAPTURING SOLID WASTE SERVICES, THE TOWN'S UTILITY WOULD NEED TO GET BEYOND THE METER.
UH, AND SO THE, IF, IF UTILITY BILLING REMAINS THE MECHANISM, IT WILL, UH, IMPART ADDITIONAL EXPENSE ON THE TOWN GETTING INTO THE BUSINESS OF NOT ONLY TRACKING METER BASED UTILITIES, BUT ALSO DOING ITS OWN ALMOST INVENTORY OF LIKE THE MAIN STREET AREA, JUST TO GET A FULL CUSTOMER BASE AND TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, THERE WILL BE SOME CODE CHANGES THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO DO THAT.
UM, AND I THINK ANOTHER, ANOTHER, UH, IF YOU ARE BILLING SOLID WASTE ON A WATER UTILITY AND SOMEBODY DOESN'T PAY, YOU'VE GOT SOME ABILITY TO TURN THE WATER OFF AND COMPEL PAYMENT THERE.
THERE'S SOME, CANDIDLY, SOME WAYS TO COMPEL, UM, UTILITY CUSTOMERS TO PAY FOUR METER BASED UTILITIES.
'CAUSE YOU COULD TAKE THE UTILITY AWAY IN THE MAIN STREET AREA.
A CHA A POTENTIAL CHALLENGE TO BE, TO BE BLUNT, IS, UM, IF A BUSINESS FOR WHATEVER REASON DOESN'T HAVE A METER CONNECTED TO THAT BUSINESS AND DECIDES TO NOT PAY, UM, IT IS MORE DIFFICULT TO, UM, YOU, YOU HAVE HIGHER BAD DEBT ISSUES.
AND SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CLIENTS THAT USE UTILITY BILLING FOR COMMERCIAL SOLID WASTE IN DIFFERENT AREAS.
AND SO WE SEE A BIG, BIG DIFFERENCE IN BAD DEBT.
AND SO THAT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, AS WE ADVISE THE TOWN AND TALK ABOUT PROS AND CONS, THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE MENTIONED.
UM, NOT MEANING TO SAY THAT, UH, HEY, YOU KNOW, MAIN STREET, UH, STAKEHOLDERS WHO ARE HERE TODAY ARE GONNA BE BAD CITIZENS, NOT PAY YOUR BILL.
NOT, NOT MEANING TO IMPLY THAT, BUT JUST WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER, OTHER SYSTEMS THAT, THAT THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE WITH UTILITY BILLING.
AND I THINK, UH, ESSENTIALLY IT, IT CREATES A, A QUITE A, A LARGER ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN ON THE TOWN TO USE THE UTILITY BILL AS THE MECHANISM TO COVER MAIN STREET SOLID WASTE CHARGES.
SO, UM, I FINALLY, I, I, I'VE MENTIONED THIS NOTION OF A TIERED STRUCTURE.
I'M FINALLY, MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE PUT THE SLIDE EARLIER, BUT, UM, UM, I DID WANT TO GIVE A VISUAL, UM, OF WHAT SOME COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DONE BY, BY THE WAY, WE'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT WHAT WE WOULD CALL CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT SERVICES.
THIS ISSUE IS NOT CONFINED TO FRONT ROYAL.
THIS ISSUE IS, UM, MAYBE EVEN NOT SURPRISINGLY, PRETTY COMMON IN SMALL AND MID-SIZE CITIES, UH, REALLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THIS IN THREE OR FOUR STATES, I THINK OVER JUST THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, KIND OF A SIMILAR TYPE TYPE SYSTEM.
AND SO, UM, WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT SOLID WASTE, AND AGAIN, IF, IF WE COULD HAVE PERFECT DATA AND PERFECT INFORMATION, WE KNOW THAT DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLDS AND DIFFERENT BUSINESSES GENERATE DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF WASTE AND RECYCLING AND NEED DIFFERENT SERVICE LEVELS.
SO IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE A SEPARATE HOUSE OR IF YOU'RE JUST A YOUR OWN, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND YOU HAVE A DUMPSTER OR YOU HAVE A ROLL OFF CONTAINER, THOSE, THOSE ARE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD TO DETERMINE THE COST TO COLLECT AND DISPOSE AND RECYCLE YOUR MATERIAL.
THE CHALLENGE COMES IN, IN THESE SHARED SERVICE AREAS THAT WE HAVE IN, IN THE MAIN STREET RE UH, AREA.
AND SO WE'VE SEEN SOME SOLUTIONS THAT ESSENTIALLY DIFFERENTIATE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
UM, WITH THE PHILOSOPHY BEING THAT EV WHETHER IF YOU'RE A RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLD, WHETHER YOU HAVE YOUR OWN HOUSE OR YOU LIVE IN A MIXED USE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, IN THE MAIN STREET AREA THERE'S A VERY RANGE BOUND AMOUNT OF WASTE AND RECYCLING YOU GENERATE THAT HAS TO BE COLLECTED AND THEN IT HAS TO BE LANDFILLED AND HAS TO BE RECYCLED.
SO KIND OF OUR THOUGHT PROCESS ON THAT IS THE RESIDENTIAL RATES.
THE RESIDENTIAL RATE IS THE RESIDENTIAL RATE.
IN SOME REGARD, I'LL, I'LL, THAT'S A LITTLE OVERSIMPLIFIED, BUT ON THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR, YOU HAVE BOTH DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESSES AND DIFFERENT SIZE BUSINESSES.
SO TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE, UH, IF YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT GENERATES VERY DIFFERENT WASTE FROM AN OFFICE OR FROM A, FROM A, A RETAILER, SOMEBODY ON MAIN STREET SELLING, YOU KNOW, SOME PRODUCT.
AND SIMILARLY, A SMALL RESTAURANT GENERATES TYPICALLY LESS THAN A LARGE RESTAURANT.
SO YOU HAVE BUSINESS DIFFERENCES AND YOU HAVE SIZE DIFFERENCES OF BUSINESSES.
AND SO IN SOME CASES WE'VE SEEN, UM, THERE, AND, AND WE BELIEVE THERE ARE METHODOLOGIES THAT THERE ARE A, THEY CAN BE A LITTLE BIT, THEY CAN BE A LITTLE BIT DETAILED, BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO COME UP WITH SORT
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OF TIERED RATES THAT ATTEMPT.AND BY THE WAY, THERE'S NO PERFECT RATE, THERE'S NO WAY TO SET DOWN TO THE PENNY WHAT EVERY BUSINESS SHOULD PAY IN A SHARED SERVICE AREA.
BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE, WE BELIEVE THERE ARE RATIONAL BASIS TO CATALOG AND INVENTORY ALL OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES BY TYPE AND BY SIZE.
AND THEN ESSENTIALLY SPREAD THE, THE SHARED COST BASED ON THOSE TIERED RATES.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS SLIDE IS INTENDING TO CONVEY IS THAT THIS IS A STRATEGY.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, PERFECT DOWN TO THE PENNY, BUT WE HAVE SEEN WHAT WE THINK ARE VERY REASONABLE WAYS TO DO IT.
AND SO THIS IS REALLY KIND OF THE SUPER DETAILED, YOU KNOW, AS FAIR AS POSSIBLE, BUT MORE ADMINISTRATIVELY CHALLENGING TO DEVELOP THE RATES.
UH, BUT THIS, THIS IS POTENTIALLY SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT THE, THE TOWN COULD GO FORWARD WITH AS WELL.
SO, UM, THAT CONCLUDES THE OPTIONS FOR, UM, THE COST OF SERVICE AND THE ISSUES THAT THE TOWN ARE FACING.
UM, I'M, YOU KNOW, WHAT I MIGHT, UM, CYNTHIA, I MIGHT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT TRADING OFF? AND I, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS REALLY YOUR SPECIALTY TO TALK OVER THE, THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO WE HAVE A SECOND PHASE THAT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF MAIN STREET FOLKS ARE GONNA SUDDENLY HAVE TO PICK UP WHAT RIGHT NOW IS $85,000, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO REDUCE THE COST BELOW $85,000 AND, AND TRY TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE ON, YOU KNOW, ON WHAT IS GONNA BE TOLERABLE TO THE TOWN'S MAIN STREET, UH, CUSTOMERS.
SO I LIKE TO INVITE MY COLLEAGUE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, SERVICE DELIVERY OPTIONS AND MAYBE WAYS TO, TO BE MORE EFFICIENT DOWNTOWN AS WELL.
'CAUSE THAT THAT'S KIND OF THERE, THERE'S A WHOLE TEAMWORK THING GOING ON HERE, SO THANK YOU.
UM, SO BASICALLY THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS OF COLLECTION AND YOU SAW EARLIER THAT THEY CURRENTLY USE SOME REAR LOADING DUMPSTERS, BUT ALSO IF YOU SAW THAT PILE AROUND THE DUMPSTERS, THEY'RE ALSO HAVING A LOT OF MANUAL TIME INVOLVED AND HAVING TO GO BACK SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK TO SEE THAT.
BUT SOME OTHER OPTIONS ARE TO, UH, LOOK AT PUTTING SHARED COMPACTORS IN THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER AREAS.
UM, THESE PICTURES, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SIDE, UH, YOUR HANDOUTS IF NOT ON THE SIDES, BUT THEY SHOW SOME EXAMPLES OF THEM IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
UM, SO THESE REPRESENT, UH, CLIENTS IN THREE DIFFERENT STATES.
ONE OF 'EM IS WHERE I FORMALLY WORKED FOR 20 YEARS, BUT IT WAS A, A SUCCESSFUL SHARED COMPACTOR AREA.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER CLEANUP INVOLVED GOING AROUND THOSE, BUT EACH OF THESE COMPACTORS WOULD HOLD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF VOLUME COMPARED TO HAVING TO COME THROUGH AS REGULARLY WITH YOUR TRUCK.
THEY ARE ENCLOSED, UM, CONTAINERS SO THAT IT'S, YOU GET LESS FERMIN IF, AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT STUFF JUST PILED TO THE SIDES OF THEM.
BUT, SO THERE'S, THERE'S REGULAR ROUTINE GOING BY AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE CLEAR, BUT IT IS A MAY A WAY, A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT WAY OF SERVICING.
SO MAYBE 14 CUBIC YARD, A 30 SOME CUBIC YARD CONTAINER AS COMPARED TO THE SMALLER DUMPSTERS THAT THEY'RE USING NOW.
UM, THERE ARE DIFFERENT MODELS OF THE CONTAINER, SO SOME MAY WANT TO HAVE A CART IN PLACE, WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE FOR YOUR, UH, USERS RIGHT NOW.
SO THE BOTTOM LEFT SHOWS AN EXAMPLE WITH A CART TIPPER, SO PEOPLE COULD USE THAT WAY RATHER THAN HAVING TO BRING HEAVIER MATERIALS, FARTHER DISTANCES, UM, TO THE UPPER RIGHT.
IT JUST SHOWS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE WHERE IT'S KIND OF WASTE LEVEL, YOU PUT IT IN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE GOOD SIGNAGE THAT INSTRUCTS PEOPLE TO PUSH THE BUTTON.
INEVITABLY THEY WON'T ALWAYS, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, SOLID WASTE CREW CAN RUN BY THERE ONCE OR TWICE IN THEIR COMINGS AND GOINGS A DAY AND MAKE SURE THAT HAS BEEN PUSHED UP FROM PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOT PUSHED UP OR, UM, CONTINUE TO OPERATE AND THEN THEY JUST DISCONNECT THAT, PUT IT ON THEIR TRUCK, BOTTOM RIGHT, TAKE IT TO SERVICE.
SO THAT COULD EITHER BE SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN COULD PROVIDE OR EVEN A CONTRACTED, UH, SERVICE WITH A, A COMMERCIAL HAULER TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE, WHICH IS, UM, EFFICIENT MAYBE ONCE A WEEK VERSUS THE REGULAR PASSING BY WITH THE TRUCK.
SO SMALL RIDING, BUT, UH, SEVERAL CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, IT IS A CAPITAL OUTLAY AT FIRST.
THOSE UNITS MIGHT COST 30 TO 40,000 PER ITEM.
UH, HAVE TO HAVE SOME CONCRETE, UM, PAD BELOW IT.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, WHERE, WHERE YOU WOULD PLACE IT RIGHT NOW, THE POWER FOR DISCONNECT.
UM, SOME SAFETY CONCERNS PEOPLE ALWAYS HAVE TO WORK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THESE BE LOCKED ACCESS OR OPEN.
AND THERE ARE MODELS FROM BOTH SIDES.
I WOULD SAY AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE, UH, CLIENTS THAT I KNOW OF FROM LONG-TERM USAGE STARTED HAVING LOCKED ACCESS BECAUSE THEY WERE WORRIED PEOPLE WOULD GET IN THOSE.
AND THEY HAVE GONE TO THE OPEN ACCESS SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T, BECAUSE MANAGING THE LOCKED ACCESS, THERE'S ALWAYS A KEY CODE OR SOMETHING.
AND THEN SO MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT AND THEN THEY CAN'T KEEP THEIR, UM, STAFF TRAINED AND THERE'S ALWAYS A PROBLEM WITH NOT HAVING IT.
SO THEY PILE STUFF JUST TO THE OUTSIDE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS IF YOU DECIDE TO GO
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DOWN THAT PATH.UM, BUT I, WE WENT BY A COUPLE OF YOUR ENCLOSURES ON THE WAY OVER HERE THIS MORNING, AND THEY DO HAVE GOOD ACCESS FOR THE TRUCK AND THAT, UM, FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF BACKING INTO THEM AND DIFFERENT EDUCATING FACTORS, YOU WOULD WANNA HAVE INSTRUCTIONS ON WEBSITE, YOU WOULD WANNA HAVE MEETINGS.
WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, PASS OUT TO THE USERS EVERYTHING TO BEGIN WITH.
BUT THERE ARE SYSTEMS THAT HAVE WORKED FOR SEVERAL YEARS THIS WAY.
AND THEN AS JOHN MENTIONED, SOME KIND OF A TIERED REVENUE.
UM, RECOVERY IS JUST THE SAME WITH THIS AS IT WOULD BE WITH YOUR REAR LOADERS THAT YOU HAVE NOW.
SO YOU WANNA CLOSE UP OR YOU WANT GO AHEAD.
UM, SO NEXT STEPS WAS ONCE WE RECEIVE SOME FEEDBACK, HOPEFULLY WE HAVE, UH, ATTENDEES AT THIS EVENING SESSION AS WELL OR, OR FROM BEING POSTED ONLINE, GET SOME FEEDBACK, AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN.
AND THEN THE TOWN WILL DISCUSS THIS, UH, WITH THE TOWN COUNCIL COMING UP IN JUNE AT A WORK SESSION.
SO FEEDBACK REQUESTED ON THE WHICH REVENUE MECHANISM YOU SEE BEING MOST SUCCESSFUL OR, OR MORE USER FRIENDLY OR EASILY TO ADMINISTER AS WELL, BECAUSE IF IT'S DIFFICULT, THEN THERE BECOMES MORE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN COULD IMPACT THE OVERALL COST.
UM, AND THEN TO VALIDATE IF THERE'S SUPPORT FOR A POSSIBLE DIFFERENT MECHANISM LIKE THE COMPACTORS TO BE PUT IN.
SO THERE WOULD BE SOME PLANNING, UM, TO BE INCORPORATED WITH THE TOWN AND, UH, FINANCING OF THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT THEN COMPACTOR WOULD LAST 10 TO 15 YEARS IF UP KEPT AND SERVICED REGULARLY.
THEY GOT HYDRAULIC HOSES AND THINGS, BUT THAT'S ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY.
AND JOHN CAN COME BACK TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS
AND, AND SO I GUESS, I GUESS IF I COULD MAKE A A, YOU KNOW, JUST A CONCLUDING STATEMENT ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FOR ANYBODY WHO CARES TO OFFER, I GUESS, I GUESS TWO THINGS I THINK WE'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW, ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE MAIN STREET CUSTOMERS, YOU KNOW, IS THE TOWN GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS NOTION OF SOLID WASTE GENERATORS AND RECYCLING GENERATORS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD FAIRLY PAY FOR THE COST OF SERVICE, RIGHT? THERE'S SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, PHILOSOPHICALLY, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S SOME SUBSIDIZATION GOING ON.
ARE WE GOOD WITH TRYING TO CLOSE THE SUBSIDIZATION? BUT THEN THE SECOND PART IS HOW TO DO THAT FAIRLY, HOW TO DO THAT AFFORDABLY.
AND IT'S REALLY, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF COMMENTS WE WOULD LOVE TO GET.
I KNOW WE, WE DUMPED A LOT OF, UH, DETAILS ON YOU.
UM, IT'S NOT, NOT WE, I WOULD ASSUME WE DON'T NEED TO GET ALL FEEDBACK HERE.
FOLKS CAN THINK ABOUT IT AND FOLLOW UP, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT TRYING TO RUSH A DECISION.
UH, AS I SAID, THIS IS INTENDED TO BE INFORMATIONAL, UH, AND THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A DIALOGUE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK, UM, THAT'S WHAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES, UH, SOLID WASTE AND WASTE CONSULTING SO, UM, UNIQUE IS THAT YOU CAN'T JUST GO DO IT IN YOUR CAVE AND DELIVER YOUR RESULTS TO YOUR CLIENT.
YOUR CLIENT CAN'T JUST GO IMPLEMENT IT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS DIALOGUE.
AND SO THE FACT THAT, THAT SOME OF YOU WERE HERE THIS MORNING, UM, WE, AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S IN THIS FORUM, IF YOU CARE TO GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK OR WHETHER YOU CARE TO COME BACK AFTERWARDS, I THINK THIS, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS ON THIS TO HELP CLOSE A GAP IN THE TOWN THAT, YOU KNOW, IS JUST CREATING, YOU KNOW, AN IMBALANCE RIGHT NOW IN, IN THE TOWN'S ABILITY TO FUND THESE SERVICES.
SO I GUESS IF YOU CAN, YOU CAN GUIDE EVERYBODY TO HOW WE'LL GO THROUGH THE QUESTIONING
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HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL OPEN IT UP IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE INPUT ON.I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT, UH, TO BEGIN WITH, ABOUT THE COST OF SERVICE STUDY THAT YOU GUYS THREW OUT THERE.
UM, THE RATIO, AND I DIDN'T DO THE MATH, BUT YOU CAN CLEARLY LOOK AT THE CHART, THE RATIO OF CURRENT REVENUE TO THE REVENUE NEED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL IS WAY OFF.
WHY IS THAT WAY OFF IN, IN YOUR DATA GATHERING? WHY DID YOU FIND THAT DIFFERENT? BECAUSE FROM MY STANDPOINT, I HAVE A BLUE CONTAINER LIKE RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? SO I'M BEING CHARGED $26 FOR THE EXACT SAME SERVICE THAT A RESIDENT HAS ANYWHERE ELSE IN THIS TOWN.
BUT I GET NOTHING ADDITIONAL FOR THAT.
SO IF IT'S A ONE FOR ONE, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S THE, THE BACKUP DUMPSTERS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THOSE AT PLAY, BUT FROM MY STANDPOINT, I'M GETTING THE EXACT SAME SERVICE AS A RESIDENT.
IT SHOULD, THAT CHART SHOULD BE MATCHING ALMOST IDENTICAL.
SO WHAT COST YOU'RE TO BE ON MAIN STREET? SO, UM, DID YOU GET THE QUESTION ON THE RECORD? YES, I BELIEVE WE HAVE IT THERE.
SO THE, UM, YOU WANNA KNOW, UM, TO SUMMARIZE, UH, THE, UH, THE COST FOR A MAIN STREET, UH, RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NOW OR MAIN STREET SERVICE IS $26, AND YOU FEEL THAT THIS THE SAME SERVICES ARE PROVIDED, UH, SO IT SHOULD BE THE SAME AS RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? IS THAT, IS THAT, YEAH.
AND THIS CHART SHOWS THAT THE, THERE'S THE
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CURRENT REVENUE IS SLIGHTLY SHORTFALL TO THE REVENUE NEED FOR RESIDENTIAL, BUT THAT RATIO IS DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT ON THE MAIN STREET THAN WHAT IT'S IN THE RESIDENTIAL.SO WHAT, WHAT IS DIFFERENT ABOUT THAT? 'CAUSE IF YOU'RE PROVIDING THE SAME SERVICE YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD THAT, THAT CHARGE SHOULD NOT TO TOTALLY GET IT.
AND, AND SO TO RESTATE, IF YOU GIVE A 90 GALLON CART TO A RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLD AND A 90 GALLON CART TO A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, WHY ISN'T THAT THE SAME COST FOR THE SAME SERVICE? I THINK THAT'S FUNDAMENTALLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
UM, THE, THE TOTAL COST TO PROVIDE COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL SERVICES IS BUILT UP OF TWO COMPONENTS.
THERE'S THE COLLECTION COMPONENT, WHICH IS THE TRUCK AND THE CREW THAT'S GOT TO DRIVE AROUND AND MANEUVER AND GET TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
AND THEN THERE'S JUST THE VOLUME OF MATERIAL AND THE DENSITY THAT EITHER NEEDS TO GET DISPOSED OR RECYCLED.
AND SO, UM, WHEN WE DO THESE STUDIES, UM, THERE TENDS TO BE, SO I'M TRYING TO THINK HOW TO SAY THIS.
SO THERE ARE TIMES WHEN A COMMERCIAL CART COULD BE IDENTICAL IN COLLECTION TIME, BUT, BUT COLLECTION IS VERY TIME-DRIVEN.
AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN COMMUNITIES, AND I BELIEVE HERE IN FRONT ROYAL COMMERCIAL BUSINESS LOCATIONS TEND TO BE A LITTLE MORE OUT OF THE WAY.
IF, IF YOU THINK OF THE DIFFERENCE OF IN TIME TO GO SERVE 10 HOUSES IN A ROW ON A STREET THERE, THERE'S A TIME COMPONENT AND THAT DRIVES THE COLLECTION COST.
SO IF YOU THROW IN SOME SMALLER BUSINESSES, EVEN WITH THE SAME CART, BUT THEY'RE NOT BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, ONE AFTER ANOTHER, THERE'S AN INCREMENTAL TIME COMPONENT.
AND IT TURNS OUT COLLECTION IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMBINATION OF YOUR RATE, IT'S COLLECTION PLUS DISPOSAL EQUALS THE TOTAL COST.
THE COLLECTION COMPONENT IS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE DISPOSAL COMPONENT.
SO FOR FOLLOW UP ON THAT, THAT, THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE.
SO I'M ONE OF THOSE THAT HAS A LARGE PARKING LOT IN THE BACK MM-HMM.
AND SO THEY'RE BACKING IN, THEY'RE WALKING A DIFFERENT BUSINESS, RIGHT, RIGHT.
UM, NOW WE HAVE A NOTICE THAT ON JULY 1ST, WE NOW ALL ALL HAVE TO TAKE OUR TRASH TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, AND THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN ANYMORE.
AH, SO THAT IMMEDIATELY IS, IS MAKING YOUR TIME MORE EFFICIENT, WHICH SHOULD BE LOWERING COSTS, IS THAT FACTORED INTO THIS? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO START DOING THAT JULY, SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY AS TOWN AND CONSULTANTS SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT IS ADDRESSING THE TIME ISSUE, RIGHT? UH, SO, SO I GET IT.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE DELVED INTO THAT DETAIL.
UM, THE, SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
OPERATIONALLY THAT SHOULD IN THEORY REDUCE COST.
WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT.
I JUST MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S YEAH, YEAH.
NO, THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR, FOR DESCRIBING THAT.
NO, WE GOT ONE BLUE CONTAINER IS ALL WE HAVE.
WE NOW THE, WHAT'S WHAT'S ADDITIONAL IS WITH THAT $26, I GET A PICK UP ONCE A WEEK, MONDAY MORNING, THEY PICK MY TRASH UP TWICE, SOMETIMES THREE TIMES A WEEK.
SO THERE IS OVERHEAD WASTE HAPPENING THERE.
THERE IS A LOT OF WASTE HAPPENING.
AND INSTEAD OF IMMEDIATELY GOING TO, HEY, LET'S PAY MORE, I WOULD LOVE TO LOOK AT OPERATIONAL MM-HMM.
WHAT IS THE, UH, NAME OF 4 4 0 7 EAST MAIN? 4 0 7 EAST MAIN? YEAH.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE, THE OTHER ELEMENT THAT IS JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS A, UM, A CHALLENGE IS THAT NO MATTER WHAT RATE YOU SET FOR ANY CUSTOMER CLASS, THERE PROBABLY ARE EXCEPTIONS AND IN THE MAIN STREET AREA BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT TO, UH, TO CONSISTENTLY FOR THAT ENTIRE AREA, THERE'S SO MUCH SHARING GOING ON THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THERE COULD BE FOLKS THAT ARE CLEARLY SERVED AS AN INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS WITH AN INDIVIDUAL LOCATION, THEIR OWN CART THERE.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF ALSO JUST BEING IN THAT AREA THAT'S HARD IN GENERAL THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING LUMPED INTO THAT.
SO, SO, SO, BUT I MEAN, YOUR FEEDBACK IS REALLY HELPFUL.
AND I MEAN, IN SOME REGARDS, YOU KNOW, THE TAKEAWAY IS, YOU KNOW, CAN WE IDENTIFY THE SPECIFIC BUSINESSES THAT ARE USING THIS SEARCH? YEAH.
THERE, THERE, THERE'S CAN, CAN IT BE IDENTIFIED AND MANAGED AND AND UNDERSTOOD? AND, AND, AND THAT CAN BE A LIMITATION.
THERE'S NO QUESTION THERE, THERE, THERE COULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE LIMITATIONS THAT, THAT APPLY SOME COST HARDSHIP POTENTIALLY JUST FOR ADMINISTRATIVE REASONS AND THERE MAY BE SOME THERE.
SO ALL FOR EVERY YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
UM, YOU, YOU SOLVE FOR 80%, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO, UM, BUT THEN THERE ARE SOME BUSINESSES, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IN OUR BUILDING WE HAVE THREE SUITES, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
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THE FRONT.WELL, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A WATER SEWER OPEN.
SO WE DO EVERYTHING THROUGH THEM.
I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M TOTALLY FINE WITH US SOLVING THAT PROBLEM.
BUT MY PROBLEM WITH THIS AND, AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IS WHOEVER I HAVE RENTING THAT FROM ME HAS NO WAY OF GETTING RID OF THEIR MM-HMM.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.
RIGHT? SO THEY DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM AND THAT THAT COULD BE A ONE OFF.
BUT THERE MAY, WITH, WITH PEOPLE RENTING AND ALL THAT STUFF ALL DOWN THE STREET, I'M SURE THAT'S NOT A ONE OFF.
I'M SURE THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF THAT.
THERE'S NOT A BIT OF THAT PROBLEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, I COULD EASILY SAY IN MY LEASE, I'M ADDING, YOU KNOW, $50, $26 AND THEY CAN SHARE MY TRASH CAN AND I GET TWO TRASH CANS EASY, THAT'S FINE.
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM TO GET TO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO HOW CAN WE ANSWER THAT PROBLEM? RIGHT? SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT, AND YOU HAVE TO BRING AROUND MAYBE.
AND THE LITTLE NUANCES LIKE THAT ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING TO LIGHT AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT, UM, THERE'S NO, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A STANDARD ACROSS THE BOARD UNFORTUNATELY WHEN IT COMES TO MAIN STREET.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SEE IN A LOT OF CASES IS, IS THERE NOT, THERE'S NOT A WAY FOR US TO BILL, UH, MAYBE THE TENANTS IN THAT LAST SUITE OR, OR OR WHAT HAVE YOU THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE SHARING.
UM, BUT THERE'S A, BUT I'M HAPPY AS A LANDLORD TO BE A PASTOR.
IF WE FIGURE THAT OUT, YOU KNOW, FUNCTIONALLY HOW CAN THEY DO IT? I'M, I'M HAPPY AND NOW I'M, I'M COMING UP ON WRITING IT FOR THE SECOND TIME SINCE I MOBILITY.
AND EVERY TIME I'M GETTING A QUESTION, HOW DO WE HANDLE OUR TRASH? HOW DO WE HANDLE OUR TRASH? AND IT'S NOT COOL TO SAY, I DUNNO,
AND ON THE, ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU HAVE A TENANT LIVING IN THERE AND IF WE GO TO A TIERED STRUCTURE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT USE CHANGES FROM THAT TIERED STRUCTURE, UH, FOR YOUR TENANT? I MEAN, SO HOW DO WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT? THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT I GET THAT GET THAT SAID.
I'LL SAY THAT I'M FOR THE TIERED, THE MORE DETAILED EXAMPLE, NUMBER TWO MM-HMM.
WELL, AND JUST MAIN STREET ALONE MIGHT BE THE WAY IT'S NOW, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GROW IN OTHER AREAS THAT YOU CAN USE THAT SAME WELL AND, AND BE, I GUESS I HAVE TO BE A LITTLE CAREFUL.
I DON'T, I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE, CAN TOTALLY SPEAK FOR THE TOWN, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD, UM, IS REALLY, THERE ARE MANY DATA GAPS THERE.
THERE ARE SO MANY UNKNOWNS OF SITUATIONS LIKE YOURS AND THIS IS COMMON IN DOWNTOWN AREAS OF CITIES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, GETTING BUILT OUT AND MIXED USES COMING IN AND YOU KNOW, ENTREPRENEURS AND BUSINESSES FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO COME TO DOWNTOWN 'CAUSE WE HAVE A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY.
SO THERE'S A REAL INCENTIVE TO MAKE THE DOWNTOWN A FLOURISHING COMMUNITY.
BUT IT, I THINK WE'RE TRY, WE AS THE CONSULTANT UNDERSTOOD THAT WE'RE TRYING TO NOT PUT THE TOWN IN THE BUSINESS OF NOW ALMOST HAVING TO DO ITS OWN CUSTOMER USE MONITORING OF THAT DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT CANDIDLY DRIVES THIS NOTION OF SHARED SERVICE.
I, I MEAN, JUST TO BE PERFECTLY BLUNT, I THINK IT'S LIKELY IN YOUR CIRCUMSTANCE, PROBABLY NEITHER THE TOWN NOR THE TAX ASSESSOR'S GONNA KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A TENANT.
THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT IF WE CAN SET THE RIGHT RATE, THAT YOU'LL KNOW ENOUGH TO PUT A FAIR PASS THROUGH, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR LEASE.
AND THAT MAY BE THE BEST WE CAN GET OUTTA THIS.
I, I DON'T KNOW THERE'S EVER GONNA BE A PERFECT SOLUTION FOR EVERYBODY.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, LET, LET'S BE FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND ALSO ONE OTHER THING THAT, THAT WASN'T BROUGHT IN THE PRESENTATION, I KNOW MYSELF AND I'M SURE RESTAURANTS AND, AND, AND OTHER BUSINESSES ARE GOING FROM THE DOWNTOWN AREA, SOMETIMES WE HAVE A SURGE CAPACITY.
WELL IF I GET A LARGE HUGE ORDER ON TUESDAY, I FILLED UP MY CONTAINER ON TUESDAY AND I'M NOT GETTING, TECHNICALLY I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO GET ANOTHER TRASH PICKUP UP UNTIL MONDAY.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHERE I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE COMPACTOR SPREAD THROUGHOUT TOWN BECAUSE IF I HAVE SURGE THEN I CAN NOW DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
YEAH, NO, IN SOME REGARD, YOUR ANECDOTAL INFORMATION REALLY JUST HIGHLIGHTS THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE ALL DISCUSSED INTERNALLY.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING US TO, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW, AGAIN, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE BOTH THE DETAILS OF HOW IT'S GOING.
I MEAN, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR, I THINK.
TRY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BALANCE ALL THESE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.
SO I, I THINK THAT IS, THAT REALLY ADDS SOME, YOU KNOW, GOOD COLOR.
RICK, YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT YOU RAISED YOUR HAND, I APOLOGIZE.
ARE WE SUPPOSED TO COME UP HERE? I WOULD PREFER
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SO, UM, I, I LIKE THE CURRENT STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE LOSING $86,000 A YEAR, SO YOU'RE GONNA MODIFY IT.SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO DO THAT.
I, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SCOTT IS SAYING THERE.
UH, THE RESTAURANT THAT'S NEXT TO THE MOVIE THEATER THAT DON'T HAVE A REAR ENTRANCE EITHER.
NOW THEY DO HAVE A UTILITY BILL AND SO THEY SHOULD BE PAYING TRASH ON THAT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO WALK AROUND TO THE DUMPSTER THAT'S LOCATED ON MY PROPERTY AND I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
THE TRASH IS ONLY WATER SEWER, RIGHT? IT'S BASED ON WATER SEWER.
SEE, SEE SHE DOESN'T HAVE WATER SEWER.
SO I'M GONNA PUSH BACK ON THAT 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT LIKE APARTMENT TENANTS, LIKE MY BUILDING MY WATER AND SEWER, WE HAVE THREE APARTMENTS AND I, I GOTTA BELIEVE THAT THE APARTMENTS ARE PAYING, UH, TRASH.
OUR BUILDING MAY HAVE ONE WATER METER AND THAT'S IT.
SO, SO I HAVE ONE WATER METER ON MY BUILDING, BUT I HAVE THREE APARTMENTS AND ONE RESTAURANT AND ONE MOVIE THEATER.
AND, AND SO EVERYBODY SHOULD BE PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE.
THIS IS ONE 17 EAST MAIN STREET
SO I, I APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND APPRECIATE YOU EXPLAINING IT TODAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO ADD? UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, IS TO GET THIS KIND OF FEEDBACK AND, AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT A, A PATH FORWARD, UH, AND TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE HURDLES THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO OVERCOME THERE.
UH, SO WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE THIS OUT HERE AND, UH, WE WILL RECONVENE AT FIVE O'CLOCK FOR ANOTHER MEETING.
YOU GUYS ARE WELCOME TO COME BACK AND ATTEND AGAIN IF YOU'D LIKE.