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[Board of Architectural Review on May 14, 2024.]
UM, CALL TO ORDER A MEETING FOR THE COURT OFUM, SO THE END OF THE LAST MEETING, WE'VE BEEN OVER INITIALLY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND WE WERE TASKED WITH REVIEWING THE FIRST COUPLE OF SECTIONS, OR AT LEAST AS FAR AS YOU COULD GET, COME UP WITH SOME NEW IDEAS SPECIFICALLY OF CONCISE, KIND OF FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS SECTION OR COMMANDMENT SECTION FOR THE BEGINNING.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT COULD CATCH THE EYE AND SIMPLIFY THINGS INITIALLY WHEN YOU FIRST LOOK AT THAT DOCUMENT.
AND THEN GO THROUGH AND CLEANING IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND BRING IT UP TO DATE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, YOU HAVE A LETTER TO SEND OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANNA START WITH.
DO WE WANT TO REVIEW THE LETTER? DO WE WANT TO REVIEW OUR GUIDELINE MODIFICATIONS? START WITH THE LETTER.
I GOT A COPY OF THAT, THAT LETTER.
NO, I DON'T HAVE, YES, YOU DO.
DO YOU SHOULD, SHOULD BE RIGHT BEHIND.
SHOULD BE RIGHT BEHIND YOUR AGENDA.
YOUR HONOR LETTER FINDS YOU WELL.
WE ARE CONTACTING YOU ABOUT A SPECIAL DESIGNATION THAT APPLIES TO YOUR PROPERTY.
YOUR HOME IS LOCATED WITHIN OUR LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT CHERISH PART OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT PRESERVES FRONT ROYAL'S UNIQUE CHARACTER AND CHARM.
BEING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT IS A WONDERFUL DISTINCTION THAT ADDS TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S BEAUTY AND CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE.
WITH THIS DESIGNATION COME THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF OUR HOMES AND BUILDINGS.
AS A RESULT, ANY REPAIRS, MODIFICATIONS, ALTERATIONS, OR ADDITIONS DONE TO THE EXTERIOR OF YOUR HOME OR PROPERTY MUST FIRST BE SUBMITTED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND ZONING AND POTENTIALLY REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
THE BAR'S ROLE IS TO ENSURE THAT CHANGES TO PROPERTIES WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AND DO NOT DETRACT FROM THE AREA'S OVERALL HISTORIC AMBIANCE.
THE BAR REVIEW PROCESS IS DESIGNED TO GUIDE PROPERTY OWNERS IN MAKING ALTERATIONS THAT RESPECT AND MAINTAIN THE UNIQUE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT MAKE FRONT ROYAL SPECIAL.
BEFORE STARTING ANY EXTERIOR WORK ON YOUR PROPERTY, PLEASE CONTACT STAFF TOWN STAFF FOLLOWING NUMBER, SEE IF YOUR PROJECT REQUIRES YOU TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO THE BAR FOR REVIEW.
THIS REVIEW PROCESS HELPS ENSURE THAT YOUR PROJECT MEETS THE GUIDELINES FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, A COPY OF WHICH CAN BE DOWNLOADED AT CALLING LINK.
THE BAR MEETS REGULARLY TO REVIEW APPLICATIONS AND WE ARE ALWAYS WILLING TO OFFER GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
YOU UNDERSTAND THAT NAVIGATING THESE GUIDELINES MAY INITIALLY SEEM DAUNTING.
PLEASE KNOW THAT THE BAR AND TOWN STAFF ARE HERE TO ASSIST YOU AT EVERY STEP.
WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO TOWN, STAFF OR BAR WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING YOUR PROJECT.
PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF OUR EXTORT DISTRICT IS A COLLECTIVE EFFORT AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION AND UNDERSTANDING AND ADHERING TO THESE GUIDELINES.
TOGETHER WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE BEAUTY AND CHARM OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS IMPORTANT MATTER.
PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO CONTACT HOUND STAFF OR THE BAR FOR ASSISTANCE OR CLARIFICATION.
ALRIGHT, SO DO YOU WANT STAFF TO PRINT THESE OUT OR IS THIS ANYTHING WE HAVE TO RUN BY TOWN MANAGER? WE HAVE IT IN OUR BUDGET.
NO, I MEAN THE LETTER ITSELF, I CAN SEND IT UP TO THE TOWN MANAGER, BUT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THE BAR WANT.
I THINK AT THIS POINT, IF THE BAR WANTS OUT, IT WOULD JUST BE LETTING HIM KNOW HE WOULD HAVE ANY ISSUE.
YOU CAN PUT IT ON SOME TOWN LETTERHEAD THOUGH.
AND IT'S NOT GONNA GO, IT'S GOING TO GO TO HOMEOWNERS, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
I COULDN'T FIND A, A COPY OF THE LETTER IN MY EMAIL, BUT, UM, IS THERE CONTACT INFORMATION IN
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THE LETTER? MM-HMM,THE PHONE NUMBER FOR THE TOWN, THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT, AND THEN A LINK TO THE WEBSITE, WHICH THAT'S THE ONLY PART I DON'T LIKE.
IT'S LIKE, IT'S KIND OF A CONVOLUTED LINK, BUT I MEAN, WELL, AND THE LINK, THIS IS GONNA BE SNAIL MAIL, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD HAVE TO TYPE.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO TYPE IT OUT.
DO YOU WANNA PUT A QR AT THE BOTTOM OR SOMETHING? OH, THAT'S AN, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY A QR CODE THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO LIKE SEARCH QR CODE GENERATOR.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP US.
SO WE CAN ALWAYS ASK CHARLES IF THERE'S AN IT OR AN IQ QR CODE, UM, THAT WE CAN GENERATE AND PUT IT ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LETTER.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS PUT THE, WELL YOU JUST PUT THE EMAIL ADDRESS FOR THE WHOLE BAR ON HERE SOMEWHERE ON THE LETTERHEAD TOO.
SO I HOW TO CHECK, MAKE SURE, BUT HE'S USING IT THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CHECK IT.
I INVITED, UM, CHARLES TONIGHT, BUT HE HAD A LAST MINUTE EMERGENCY AT HOME AND COULDN'T COME.
SO THE, THE WHOLE THING I CAN ASK HIM TO SEND OUT TO EVERYBODY'S PERSONAL EMAIL AND IT GIVES YOU INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO SET UP THE FIRST TIME THE TOWN EMAIL.
AND THEN YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO FROM THERE.
SO I CAN JUST ASK HIM TO REDO THAT PLEASE.
I'M SURE I CAN GET IT TO WORK IF I JUST HAVE YEAH, YEAH.
I'LL JUST ASK HIM TO SEND ALL THAT AGAIN TO YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL.
HE'LL SEND THAT WITH A PASSWORD THAT YOU'LL CHANGE YOURSELF.
BUT IT'S INSTRUCTIONS ON WHAT TO DO.
SO I'LL, I'LL TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT.
SO DO WE HAVE TO VOTE OR ANYTHING OR JUST TELL YOU TELL YOU THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA DO? LET'S JUST VOTE WHAT YOU WANT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEND IT JUST LIKE IT IS.
I DIDN'T FIND ANY ISSUE WITH IT AT ALL.
I MEAN MAYBE WE SHOULD ADD A QR CODE.
YEAH, THE QR AND THEN QR NEEDS SOME WAY TO, SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS IF ACCESS THAT LINK, IF WE CAN GET THE QR CODE, WE'LL PUT IT ON HERE.
I'LL PUT THE, I'LL PUT THE LETTER TOGETHER.
PROBABLY HAVE YOU COME IN AND SIGN IT.
AND THEN THAT WAY I CAN SEND, WE CAN SEND OUT A SIGNED.
THE THING IS THOUGH, SIGNATURE OR YOU EMAIL US YOUR SIGNATURE.
THAT'D PROBABLY BE GOOD BECAUSE OTHERWISE HE'S GONNA HAVE TO SEND OUT I WOULDN SIGN EACH ONE, JUST SIGN ONE, SCAN IT AND THEN WE WOULD SEND OUT THE SAME, IT JUST WOULDN'T BE PERSONALIZED.
UNLESS HE WANTS ON EVERY LETTER HOMEOWNER PROPERTY.
BUT IF HE GIVES YOU A SIGNATURE AND YOU PUT IT IN THE DOCUMENT, THEN IT SHOULD SEND YEAH, THEN I CAN, I CAN SEND IT, I CAN PERSONALIZE EACH LETTER.
DID YOU SEND ME A PDF DF OF THE ONE WITH THE QR CODE IN THE TOWN LETTERHEAD.
I CAN ELECTRONICALLY SIGN IT AND SEND IT BACK TO YOU AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE.
WHO WANTS TO, FIRST OF ALL, WE, YOU GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO COATE ALL THIS STUFF.
LIKE EVERYBODY'S GOT DIFFERENT STUFF JOTTED DOWN AND WE NEED LIKE A MASTER.
WE CAN MAKE, WE CAN CREATE A, UM, LIKE FOR THE COMP PLAN, WE CREATED A SPREADSHEET.
AND I HAD JUST DIFFERENT, EACH COLUMN WAS EACH PERSON'S COMMENTS.
UM, AND WE JUST MADE A MASTER COMMENT SHEET.
WHO CREATED THE COMP PLAN? DOCUMENT THAT COMPANY.
I HAVE THE FILES, BUT, UM, BECAUSE WHEN I, I READ THROUGH THIS FIRST BEFORE I LOOKED AT WARRANTS AND UM, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE AND THEN I LOOKED AT MORE INTENTS LIKE, THIS IS DEPRESSING.
UM, AND THEN I, I DON'T EVEN, I WOULD, I DON'T PERSONALLY EVEN KNOW HOW TO BEGIN TO CREATE A DOCUMENT THAT LOOKS LIKE THE ONE FROM WARRENTON.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S SOFTWARE IT GETS USED.
GOT THAT WARRANT ONE WITH YOU? YEAH, IT'S ON, ON MY PHONE.
I DON'T HAVE PRINTED, I HAVE A CARD COPY IF Y'ALL WANT IT.
THE WAY THAT OURS STARTED OUT, WE DO A GENERAL OUTLINE, LIKE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
WE'RE DOING A GENERAL OUTLINE IN WORD AND WE PUT ALL THE TABLES INTO EXCEL AND THEN ALL OF THAT GETS IMPORTED INTO, THEY USE
BUT WARREN IS BEAUTIFUL AND EVERYTHING IS HYPERLINKED IN THE TABLE OF CONTENTS.
THIS IS A, IT IS A POWERPOINT IS WHAT THIS IS.
BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNER ON STAFF.
I WOULD NOT MIND JUST LIFTING ALL OF IT.
CAN WE RIP DUPLICATE OWN? I LIKE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S HISTORIC STUFF ABOUT TON AT THE BEGINNING.
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COOL.NOT NECESSARILY THE INFORMATION THAT WE WANT TO GET ACROSS TO PEOPLE THAT ARE, WELL IT CAN ALWAYS BE AN INDEPENDENCE.
WE HAVE HISTORICAL INFORMATION ABOUT FRONT ROYAL THAT WE PUT INTO THE COMP PLAN, BUT THEN IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS REALLY NECESSARY.
SO WE PUT IT IN THE BACK OF AN APPENDIX.
BUT ALSO THIS COULD ALMOST BE A SEPARATE DOCUMENT IN ITSELF.
IT WAS ALL ABOUT, LOOK AT THE SIZE OF OUR GUIDELINES NOW AND THEN THE SIZE OF THAT, THAT 157 PAGES.
SO ARE PEOPLE GONNA READ IT? THAT'S THE MAN, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE OUT.
HERE'S WHAT I, SO I DID REALLY SKIP ALL OF THE, 'CAUSE I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF WARRANTED, SO I SKIPPED THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
BUT WHAT I DID LIKE IS THAT YOU COULD EASILY FIND, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS THAT MANY PAGES LONG, I COULD, ONCE I GOT THROUGH ALL THAT INITIAL STUFF YEAH.
WHEN YOU GET TO THE TABLE OF CONTENT, YES.
I COULD EASILY FIND WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR TO NAVIGATE.
AND YOU CAN CLICK, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLICK EACH LIKE CHAPTER LINK IN THERE AND IT TAKES YOU TO IT.
WEREN'T WE GONNA WORK ON THE MAP? I DID, DID, DID ANYBODY PULL IT UP? IS THAT IN THE UM, ON, ON OUR WEBSITE.
THEY STILL HAVE THEIR 1811 TOWN CHARTER MAP.
OURS WOULD JUST BE CHESTER STREET AND MARKET STREET.
SO DO YOU GUYS WANNA START WITH SIGNS? IS THAT WHERE YOU STARTED MAKING YOUR COMMENTS? YEAH, WE CAN START AT THE BEGINNING.
ALRIGHT, I'LL START A SPREADSHEET.
TONY, WHERE IS THE MAP ON HERE? IS IT, UM, GO TO THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
AND THEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IT SAYS MAPS, GIS MAPS.
ARE YOU AT BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW? YEAH.
UHHUH OR IT'S ON PLANNING AND ZONING.
NO, IT'S AT THE, NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S AT THE VERY TOP.
YEAH, IT'S OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT PAGE ON THE SIDE.
IT'LL SAY BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
IT'S THERE UNDER THE BAR PAGE.
YOU GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING.
AND THEN ON THE LEFT IT'LL SAY MAPS.
I CAN SEE ABOUT DOING A LINK TO THAT.
I DID GET THE GUIDELINES MOVED TO THE TOP OKAY.
THAT'S NICE AND CLEAR AND CONCISE WHEN YOU ZOOM IN ON IT.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT? SAME THING.
SO EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE LIME GREEN IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THEN THERE'S A PINK THAT'S HISTORIC OVERLAY.
IF IT IS THAT THE BOUNDARY'S NOT CORRECT.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? RIGHT? THE LEGEND SAYS THAT THE PINK IS THE HISTORIC OVERLAY AND THE GREEN IS BASED ON DISTRICT.
YEAH, IT'S GOING RIGHT THROUGH THOSE S SOUTH STREET.
THOSE ARE NOT IN HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT IS.
BUT OURS IS IN, MAYBE THAT'S THE AREA.
THEY UM, WHAT'S THE UH, TITLE? RIGHT? SO ONE'S HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THAT MAY BE THE AREA THAT THEY SURVEYED.
AND THE PINK IS THE ACTUAL DISTRICT.
UH, THAT'S NOT 'CAUSE IT KEEPS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T COME ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HERE.
WE SHOULD, RIGHT? BECAUSE HUH.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S ABOUT.
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WE SHOULD BE HECK YEAH.THAT, THAT LINES UP WITH THE BOTTOM OF THIS, RIGHT? IT'S GOT THE LITTLE NOTCH AND THEN MM-HMM,
AND THIS PROPERTY HERE, SEE THIS PROPERTY HERE IS NOT INCLUDED.
THEN YOU GO DOWN, THEN YOU'RE NOT, THOSE ARE NOT INCLUDED EITHER.
JUST I THINK THAT GREEN OUTLINE IS JUST NOT RIGHT.
I'M CHECKING THE ZONING ORDER TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING.
WELL THAT'S, IT SAYS UP THERE ON THE CODE OF IT, IT DOES GIVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE OVERLAY IS, BUT WHAT THE HISTORIC IS 194 ACRES HISTORIC OVERLAY.
BUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? WELL, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE AREA THEY DID THE STUDY IN.
SO WHY WOULD IT ALL BE, SO THEN WHAT'S THE OVERLAY MEAN? THOSE ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY ARE UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THESE GUYS THAT ACTUALLY GOT A SURVEY.
AND THOSE ONES IN THE GREEN DID NOT GET SURVEYED.
THAT THAT WAS THE, I'M ASSUMING THAT WAS THE STUDY AREA THAT THEY OUTLINED.
OR MAYBE THEY DID NOT COMPLETE IT.
MAYBE WHERE WOULD WE FIND THAT INFORMATION? UH, THAT WOULD BE IN THE, UH, REPORT THAT WE HAVE IN THE FILE.
SEE, SO THAT MAP IS NOT THE HISTORIC MAP THAT WE USE, THE DISTRICT IS NOT SO IN OUR DEFINITIONS IN 1 75 CERTIFICATE.
WHERE'S THAT, UM, PERTAINS TO ANY BUILDING WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY AREA AND THEN CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES,
OUR CODE IS USING HISTORIC DISTRICT AND OKAY.
HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY AREA OR HISTORIC DISTRICT, ANY AREA DELINEATED BY TOWN COUNCIL CONSISTING OF PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHIN THE TOWN.
SO ARE WE GOING OUT FAR ENOUGH THEN WHEN WE REQUIRE PEOPLE TO DO A COA? NOPE.
LAUREL STREET? NO, THIS, THIS.
AND ON SOME INSTANCES IT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO SOUTH STREET.
DOES DOES IT INCLUDE THAT NEW PROPERTY BEHIND THE BP STATION ARE THE REHAB PROPERTY? I CAN'T FIND OUT THAT WOULD YEP.
WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO TINA AND FIND OUT WHEN COUNCIL CREATED THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WHAT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS HISTORIC OVERLAY AREA, THE DISTRICT, THE MOTEL, SHELLY COOK'S WORK ARGUMENT.
DOES SHE RENEW THE OLIVE BRANCH OR WHATEVER.
AND THEN, AND SHE'S ALSO TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE FIRE WAS THAT THEY'RE GONNA TURN INTO A WHAT'S IT GONNA BE? UH, WAIT, THE ONE ON BLUE RIDGE? NO, ACTUALLY IT MIGHT NOT.
THAT'S VERIFICATION ON THE MAP BECAUSE THE OLIVE BRANCH ISN'T IN IT.
CAN YOU CHECK ME THAT MAP? IT TIPS OUT THERE'S THE CORNER.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ALL THE PLANS.
IT WAS ALL THE WAY TO, UM, IT'S GOT, UM, WHAT IS THAT BUILDING? IT CARVES OUT.
SO YEAH, WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON, I MEAN HERE'S WHERE WE'LL START.
LET ME JUST GO DOWNSTAIRS FOR A MINUTE SENSE.
SO WHAT'S ONE OF THESE OTHER STREETS DOWN HERE? THAT'S, UH, SHORT STREET THERE.
OKAY, LET ME GO DOWN TO FILE CABINET NOW.
IT DOES INCLUDE ALL THE BLUERIDGE.
THEN WE KNOW ALL THE CLOUD, ALL OF SAGE.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT EACH DOCUMENT? MM-HMM.
I CAN'T GET OUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
I CAN'T THINK WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET OUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
IS HE LOOKING AT A THERE IT IS.
WASN'T THAT THE CEMETERY? YEAH.
DO YOU HAVE PHONE CEMETERY IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL'S ALL INCLUDED? YEAH.
I CAN JUST, WE'RE GONNA FIND YOU NOW EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T LIVE THERE ANYMORE.
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I PUT VINYL.DO YOU THINK YOU GUYS PUT THAT TRACE? YEAH.
I'M SO GLAD YOU FOUND THAT MAP THERE.
I'M SO GLAD I FOUND THAT WRONG MAP.
NO, I'M SAYING THAT'S THE RIGHT MAP MEANS I'M GONNA NEED TO ADD ALL THOSE ADDITIONAL ADDRESSES TO THE, UM, IF WE CONFIRM.
WHILE HE'S LOOKING AT THAT, LET WE KNOW WE NEED CLARIFICATION ON THE MAPS.
WHAT IS IT? CAN WE DO ONE AT A TIME, GO WHAT YOUR COMMENTS ARE AND THEN HAVE DISCUSSION THAT WAY I CAN TRACK IT.
I MEAN I'M JUST, I'VE JUST GOT IT ON THE URL.
I DUNNO ANYTHING ABOUT THE SIGN.
WHO'S GOT COMMENTS ON THE SIGN SECTION? UM, THERE WAS SOMETHING I THOUGHT WAS WEIRD.
THE, THE TEMPORARY WINDOW SIGNS IN QUANTITY.
WOULDN'T WE MOVE THAT TO THE SIZE SECTION? SHOULD COVER NO MORE THAN 25% OF THE WINDOW.
WOULDN'T YOU JUST PUT THAT UNDER SIZE? OKAY.
OH, IT'S JUST A WEIRD SPOT TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE SECTION THAT UNDERNEATH.
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO THE BEGINNING.
I WOULD SAID OPEN WITH THIS LINE AND NOTHING ELSE.
DON'T PUT ANY OF THAT OTHER LIKE INTRO UNDER JUST THE, THE BEGINNING.
SIGNS WITHIN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT REQUIRE THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS PERIOD.
SO WHEN YOU SAY BACK IN THE BEGINNING, YOU MEAN WHERE SIGN STARTS? MOVE IT UP TO THE VERY TOP? YEAH, JUST ELIMINATE THAT PARAGRAPH UNDER SIGNS AND JUST PUT THAT CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS IN THERE.
DID YOU SAY I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY BEFORE THAT? SO JUST REMOVE THAT WHOLE PARAGRAPH PARAGRAPH.
BUT LEAVE EVERYTHING ELSE THERE.
AND THEN THE QUANTITY THING ABOVE THAT SHOULD BE ELIMINATED IN THAT VERBIAGE.
MAYBE TACK IT ON AT THE END AS LIKE AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
MOVE IT DOWN UNDER TYPES OF SIGN.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE ON THE SIGN? OKAY.
I THOUGHT MAYBE WE COULD GET SOME NEW PHOTOGRAPHS.
UM, BECAUSE UNDER COLOR, TWO THREE OF THOSE BUSINESSES AREN'T EVEN THERE ANYMORE.
JUST DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT BRIGHTER TONE.
LIKE PEOPLE WILL TAKE LIBERTIES AT THAT.
LIKE, WHERE ARE YOU AT? WHERE AT UNDER COLOR? YES.
SO DO NOT REFERENCE COLOR, JUST DON'T TALK ABOUT BRIGHTER, BRIGHTER TONES OR WHATEVER THAT, THAT SECOND YEAH, IT SAYS SOME BRIGHTER TONES MAY BE PERFECTLY SUITABLE IF USED AS AN ACCENT.
BUT WHOSE DEFINITION OF BRIGHTER TONES OR, AND REALLY I KIND OF THOUGHT THE SAME THING ABOUT NEUTRAL TO DELETE THE WHOLE SENTENCE.
I DON'T WELL WE HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WE HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, IN WHAT REGARD DO YOU WANNA REGULATE? IT'S, IT'S LIKE FOR THAT WHAT WE SAID IN THE LETTER, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE TRYING TO DO STUFF THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE, FOR THE DISTRICT.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING SUPER GAUDY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE THINK RED IS A NEUTRAL COLOR.
THEY WERE IN ALL THE ONES IN THE LATE 18 HUNDREDS OR WERE YEAH.
LIKE I HAVE, YOU CAN'T TELL 'EM IN PHOTOS BECAUSE THEY'RE IN BLACK AND WHITE.
BUT IS HOW DO YOU TELL SOMEBODY TO HAVE SOME CLASS
A LITTLE BIT OF TASTE FOR THAT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
IT'S LIKE, HOW DO YOU SAY THAT? I MEAN, IN A PC WAY AND ALL AND YOU KIND OF, WOULD IT BE WORTH IT TO CREATE A COLOR WHEEL? YOU KNOW, A PALETTE MIGHT NOT BE A BAD IDEA BECAUSE OH, THAT IS A GOOD IDEA.
I'M LOOKING TO SEE IF I CAN FIND OR FIND OUT LIKE THE, LIKE AVAILABLE PAINT COLORS FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THEY'D HAVE LIKE HUNDREDS OF COLORS LIKE THEY HAVE NOW.
I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WARREN TIM WAS DOING.
THEY WERE DOING A LOT OF EXAMPLES OF GOOD THINGS
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AND THEN A BAD THING NOT TO DO.BUT WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL PUBLICLY SHAMING, LIKE
FROM OUTSIDE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
CERTAINLY GET IT INSIDE THE STORE.
WHERE IS, UM, WHERE DOES IT TALK ABOUT PAGE? THERE YOU GO.
IN OURS OR THEIRS? PAGE THREE.
BUT NOW THIS IS FOR SIGNAGE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THAT'S NOT FOR, BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK WE REGULATED COLOR LIKE PAINT AND STUFF FOR PROPERTY.
SO THE ONLY THING IT APPEARS THAT WE REGULATE IS IF THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT COLOR CHANGE, THEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO TO YOU GUYS.
BUT THEN IT'S LIKE WHAT CONSTITUTES A SIGNIFICANT COLOR CHANGE? I KNOW WE, MY IDEA OF, I KNOW WE REGULATE, UH, MASONRY.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SIGNS OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT I'M TALKING ABOUT HOUSES BECAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY I HAD, WELL, MASON RE IS IS ON.
IT ONLY COMES TO YOU IF IT'S NEVER BEEN PAINTED.
BUT IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN PAINTED, PEOPLE ARE JUST TAKING LIBERTIES AND PAINTING IT.
WHY IS SIGNS AT THE VERY BEGINNING? THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
I MEAN, SIGNS CAN QUICKLY GET OUT OF CONTROL.
BUT I'M JUST THINKING LIKE IN THE, WHAT, TWO YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, IT'S BEEN LIKE ROOFS HAVE BEEN THE BIG ROOFS AND WINDOWS HAVE BEEN THE BIGGEST ISSUE.
I THE, YEAH, I THINK THE ONLY SIGNAGE WE'VE HAD WAS THAT ONE FOR THE WINDOW DOWN AT NEGRO.
ANY LUCK? WELL, I DIDN'T SEE NO INVENTORY OF THOSE SECTION OF TOWN.
THEY DID HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED.
YOU MEAN THERE'S PHOTOGRAPHS BUT NO SURVEY, CORRECT.
I SAID THAT'S THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE REPORT TO DISTINGUISH IS, IS IT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
WELL THAT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW THE, THE, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY BEFORE THE HOUSE ON STONER RECENTLY THAT POE REDID THAT ONE THAT'S LIKE RIGHT BY THE WATER, BY THE CREEK BY STOKES.
BUT IT, IT, IT, HE REMODELED IT AND THEN HE PUT THE CARPORT.
THAT ONE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT SURVEY, BUT IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT LINES.
BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE A REPORT EITHER.
WELL I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN IN THEY THEY DID THAT.
I MEAN WE COULDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE BRING ALL NEW PERMIT.
I DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE, WAS NOT LISTED AS CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OR NON-CONTRIBUTING.
SO I DIDN'T SEE HOW WE COULD HAVE HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO COME FOR YOU.
JUST BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN THE AREA.
SO HOW CAN WE GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT MAP? BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE FOR THE DISTRICT TO BE THE GREEN LINE.
WE NEED TO PULL WHAT COUNCIL APPROVED.
WHEN WHEN COUNCIL ESTABLISHED THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHERE DO YOU FIND THAT? WE, WE'LL START WITH HER.
BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A REPORT ON THOSE, WE'D HAVE TO SEE WAS THAT REPORT GONNA BE AT A LATER DATE? YEAH.
BUT I DON'T, I'LL EVEN IF IT'S IN THAT AREA IN 97, SHE'S BEEN HERE 34 YEARS.
WE SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? WE NEED A REPORT BECAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T LIST A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
YOU ARE GONNA BE HARD TO ENDORSE YEAH.
WELL, WE HAVE NO REPORT KNOWING WHAT THE, THE, IF IT'S THE WOOD SIDING, METAL, YOU KNOW, STANDING SCENE, METAL ROOF.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE MAYBE THAT WAS THE AREA DESIGNATED BY COUNCIL TO TO SURVEY.
BUT THEY DIDN'T GET IT ALL SURVEYED.
WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START.
BECAUSE WAY OUR CODE IS WRITTEN, IF IT'S CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE COMES TO THE BAR HERE.
SO IF IT'S NON-CONTRIBUTING, WE CAN DO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY.
NO GROUNDS TO, TO HOLD 'EM TO A HIGHER STANDARD.
I MEAN IF WE DIG IN, THIS BODY CAN ALWAYS GO REPORT OR REQUEST SOMETHING LIKE COUNCIL, IF WE GET THROUGH ALL OF THIS AND WE MAKE ALL THESE EDITS, YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO TO TOWN COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY,
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WE THINK THIS IS WHAT THE BOUNDARIES HISTORIC TO BE.BUT I WOULD LIKE I DUCKS IN A ROW FOR WHAT THEY ARE, BUT I, RIGHT.
I MEAN I DON'T WANT TO YEAH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW.
I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO FIND OUT WHAT IT OFFICIALLY IS RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T IT WE'D BE HARD PRESSED TO ENFORCE SOMETHING WITHOUT THE PRESERVATION REPORT ON EACH STRUCTURE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THOSE UPDATED.
BUT THAT'S ONE OF THOSE WE NEED THAT GRANT FUNDING AND WE NEED TO BE THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WHERE WE CAN.
SO THERE'S ALL THESE STEPS WE HAVE TO DO BEFORE WE CAN NEW NEW SURVEY.
SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE NOT CERTAIN THAT ALL OF THOSE HOMES DON'T HAVE ONE? YOU JUST KNOW THE ONE DOESN'T.
WELL I, I PULLED THE AREA THAT WAS ON THE MAP AND IN THE GREEN.
YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT STREET, BUT NO REPORTS.
SOMEONE DID TAKE SOME PHOTOGRAPH OF THE HOUSES ON BLUE RIDGE BACK IN THE DAY.
WELL WHENEVER ONE OF THOSE STREETS WAS.
ONE STREET IS IN THE LIKE SHORT STREET JUST WENT THERE.
THERE WAS PHOTOGRAPHS BUT NO REPORT ON THEM.
BLUE RIDGE BEYOND WHERE WE UH, IS IN HISTORIC DISTRICT, BLUERIDGE HAS SOME HOUSES THAT ARE EVEN OLDER THAN THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT CLOUD.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT PROTECTED.
SO REPORT, THEY JUST FORGET IT.
SOMETHING HAD TO HAVE HAPPENED.
CAN WE, WE NEED TO DIG INTO, I'M ASSUMING, ALRIGHT, BACK TO THE DON MATTER, BACK TO COLOR.
THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THE COLOR AND THAT I CAN FIND IN WARRANT.
AND SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING ABOUT COLOR.
I THINK MAYBE, I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS WE SHOULD HAVE ONE SECTION CALLED DESIGN AND THEN THE VERY FIRST SECTION UNDER GENERAL PLACEMENT, IT SAYS SIGN DESIGN MUST BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING AND STREETSCAPE.
THAT WOULD BE UNDER DESIGN AND THEN COLOR WOULD ALSO BE UNDER DESIGN.
AND THEN THE PART ABOUT SIGN MESSAGES MAY BE CREATIVE BUT NOT INCLUDE OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE.
THAT WOULD ALSO BE UNDER DESIGN I WOULD THINK.
CAN YOU SAY THE THREE, SORRY, THE THREE THINGS AGAIN? UNDER DESIGN WOULD BE COLOR SIGN MESSAGES, AND THEN THE VERY FIRST LINE FROM GENERAL PLACEMENT, JUST TALKING ABOUT DESIGN.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D WANT IT TO EVEN BE CALLED GENERAL PLACEMENT OR DO WE WANNA CALL IT LOCATION OR JUST PLACEMENT? I DUNNO WHAT THE GENERAL THING IS ABOUT PLACEMENT MAKES MORE SENSE THAN GENERAL PLACEMENT.
I THINK GENERAL IS JUST LIKE, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PUT IT, BUT GENERALLY SOMEWHERE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO UNDER PLACEMENT OR MAYBE WE'D EVEN ELIMINATE THAT WORD ALTOGETHER.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? MM-HMM.
SO MAKE DESIGN, TAKE A PLACE OF GENERAL PLACEMENT AND ENCOMPASS ALL WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT PLACEMENT COLOR.
BUT THEN THEY DO HAVE LIKE SOME THINGS ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING, WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING IT.
SO THAT MAKES ME THINK THERE SHOULD BE A SECTION THAT'S EITHER LIKE LOCATION OR PLACEMENT.
SO THERE'S A DESIGN WHERE YOU CAN PUT IT AND THEN SIZE.
THE SIZE, COLOR, LIGHTING, ALL THAT STUFF.
OR BE SUBCATEGORIES UNDER THE DESIGN SECTION WE COULD MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCISE.
THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT WINDOW SIGNS AT ALL UNDER TYPE OF SIGNS.
AND THAT'S BECOMING MORE COMMON AND WARRINGTON IS REALLY GOOD ABOUT, YEAH, NO, NO LARGER THAN THIS SIZE OF LETTERING AND YOU KNOW, NO MORE THAN 25% OF THE, IF YOU GO INTO THEIR HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEY DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF SIGN POLLUTION.
LIKE THE SIGNS ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE THEY BELONG TO THE BUILDINGS.
WHEREAS HERE SIGNS ARE NOT SO MUCH YOU HAVE VERY LARGE DECALS EVERYWHERE.
I DID SEE THAT SOME OF THEIR PHOTOS ARE NOT ALL OF WARRENTON THOUGH.
THEY DO USE LIKE WINCHESTER AS EXAMPLES TOO.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE A GOOD EXAMPLE.
SO SHOULD WE INCLUDE EXAMPLES OF TYPES OF SIGNS? I THINK THAT WOULD BE LIKE, UH, WHAT IS IT? THE CHESTER STREET TAVERN.
THEY'VE HAD A GOOD SIGN AND THEY HAD LIKE AWNING SIGNS.
THEY HAD LIKE ALL DIFFERENT KINDS.
IT WAS EVEN INCLUDED I THINK THE SIGNS THAT WERE PAINTED ON THERE.
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UM, YEAH.SIGN BOARDS, TRANSOM SIGNS, FLAT OR WALL SIGNS, WINDOW SIGNS, PROJECTING SIGNS, GROUND SIGNS, DIRECTORY SIGNS, AWNING SIGNS.
THEY SAY LIKE NOT TO USE NEON, LIKE THEY'RE MM-HMM.
THAT'S WARRANTS YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT TYPES OF SIGNS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TOO.
THEY GIVE EXAMPLES FOR EVERYTHING ON IN A PHOTO.
ARE WE GONNA GET BEAT UP IN THE OFFICE?
WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TIME FOR THAT.
WELL I THINK WE CAN HANDLE TAKING SOME PICTURES.
DO WE, DO YOU JUST WANT TO STICK WITH THE SIGN SECTION AND JUST STAY ON THE SIGN? JUST FOCUS ON REVAMPING THE SIGN SECTION.
YOU GOT ALL THE NOTES ON IT, WHICH ARE GREAT.
I'M THINKING AS WE'RE DOING THIS, WHAT I'LL DO IS WE'LL SEND OUT LIKE A GOOGLE DOC OF THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
'CAUSE I PULLED THE WORD DOC FILE UHHUH.
I CAN CONVERT IT TO A GOOGLE DOC.
I CAN SEND IT TO ALL OF YOU AND THEN YOU CAN ALL MAKE COMMENTS AND THEN YOUR COMMENTS WILL JUST EACH BE A SEPARATE COLOR SO ALL THE COMMENTS CAN BE ON ONE PLACE.
YOU GUYS CAN EACH SEE YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN I CAN JUST CONNECT EVERYTHING AS WE START MAKING CHANGES.
JUST TO FOREWARN EVERYBODY, MY GOOGLE NAME IS SNAKESKIN.
WHAT'S THAT MEAN FROM, FROM NEW YORK? I'M SCARED.
I HAVE NO, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT IS.
EITHER HAVE SOME SNAKES IN MY FRONT YARD THE OTHER DAY.
MUST HAVE ONE BECAUSE I, IT HURT MY HEART.
I MEAN FOR THIS TO BE, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE GUIDELINES BUT THEY HAVE TO LINE WITH OUR ZONING.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT'S MORE THAN I'LL HAVE THE NEW ZONING, THE DRAFT ZONING ORDINANCE OUT HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS.
I MEAN THEY CAN'T, WE CAN'T HAVE 'EM CONTRADICTING THEMSELVES.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHECK EVERYTHING AGAINST THAT.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AS FAR AS WELL THIS WILL BE A, A WORKING DRAFT REORGANIZING THE GUIDELINES.
SO WE'LL WHAT, WE'LL I THINK WHAT WE DO THEN IS WE GET THE DRAFT GUIDELINES DONE AND THEN AS WE GO THROUGH THE ZONING ORDINANCE PROCESS, I HAVE NOT INSTRUCTED SUMMIT TO TOUCH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES IN THE, AS FAR AS THE ZONING ORDINANCE CHAPTERS OF IT GO.
WE'RE MOVING IT BUT WE'RE NOT AMENDING IT.
IF AND WHEN WE GET THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINE DRAFT DONE, THAT'S WHEN WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THE TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THAT'S WHY WE'LL HAVE TO BRING IN COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION TO JUST GET THE GO AHEAD.
WE USE THE DRAFT AS A NEW BENCHMARK.
I THINK THAT WE START THE PROCESS WITH THE GUIDELINES BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE COUNCIL OR PLANNING COMMISSION TO STEP INTO IT.
CORNES AND WOULD BE ROOFING AND CORNES.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY? YEAH, I THINK YEAH.
YOU REALLY DON'T WANNA USE IN TABLATURE,
I'M SO PROUD OF THAT NEW WORD I LEARNED.
WHAT DOES IN TABLATURE MEAN? IT'S EVERYTHING BETWEEN THE TOP OF A COLUMN AND THE ROOF.
DO I HAVE A TAB CHART ON MY HOUSE? I'M NOT SURE.
SO MY, THE BIG THING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME IN THIS, THERE WERE TWO THINGS IN THAT UNDER BOTH THE ROOFING AND THE CORN, IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING RULES ARE RECOMMENDED.
SO THAT LANGUAGE JUST DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE.
YOU DON'T LIKE CAN JUST SAY THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR LIKE JUST, JUST DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT LINE.
THEY CAN'T BE RECOMMENDATIONS RULES.
FOLLOWING RULES APPLY FOR POINT.
AND I READ THROUGH THE ROOFING SECTION A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES AND I DID
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NOT SEE WHERE, MAYBE IT'S NOT IN THIS SECTION, IT MIGHT BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.BUT WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE RUN INTO WHEN YOU REPLACE, WHEN DO YOU HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE BAR AND I DIDN'T SEE WHERE IT SAID ANYTHING ABOUT LIKE FOR LIKE IS OKAY.
DID YOU SAY THAT SOMEWHERE ELSE? THE REPLACING THE ROOF MATCH ORIGINAL MATERIALS AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE.
BUT SHOULDN'T THAT JUST BE PROBABLY CHANGE ONE OF THE COMMANDMENTS FOR EVERYTHING? LIKE FOR LIKE WELL IF YOU'RE DOING LIKE FOR LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE TO SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR SOMEWHERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE BUT SOMEWHERE RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE WHOLE THING.
JUST BEFORE YOU EVEN GET IN ANY OF THIS MESS.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A PREFACE FOR THIS.
AND REPAIR RATHER THAN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT.
WE DO NEED TO KIND OF ATTEND COMMANDMENTS THING THAT SAYS CALLS THAT OUT SPECIFICALLY.
BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO REITERATE IT IN THIS SECTION SPECIFICALLY SINCE WE HAVE SO MANY ISSUES WITH PEOPLE TEARING OFF RUMORS.
SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST TAKE THE WHOLE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS LANGUAGE AND DON'T, DON'T INCLUDE IT WITH THE SIGNS BUT IT INCLUDED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE DOCUMENT.
MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD THINK OH WE ONLY NEED IT FOR SIGNS AND, AND NOT VERY BEGINNING THE WHOLE DOCUMENT.
AND THEN NOT JUST MAKE IT APPLICABLE TO SIZE, COST TOO MUCH BUT THEN THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING FOR THAT OPENING PARAGRAPH.
WHICH WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING LIKE THIS APPLIES TO ALL KINDS OF SIGNS.
NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, TEMPORARY AND, AND WHO THE ONE THAT MARKED OUT ON PROBABLY HAVE AN APPLICATION IN JULY OR WE PUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SECTION FOR EACH OF SECTION BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO JUST STRAIGHT TO THE SECTION THEY WANT.
I DON'T I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
IDEA EVERYWHERE KIND OF HAMMERING IT IN.
MOST OF THESE ARE THE QUESTION.
I GUESS I TALKED TO THE INDIVIDUAL TODAY.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AT THE HOUSE BUT IT HAS VINYL SIDING ON IT.
AND THEY'RE WANTING TO RAISE THE GARAGE, WHICH IS DETACHED AND PUT A NEW GARAGE THERE.
WHICH SO ARE WE, THEY'RE DOING A NOTES THAT SECTION OR NOT ANY RECOMME USE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE AT THE BEGINNING OF EVERY SESSION.
SO RAISING THE STRUCTURE HAS COME FOR YOU ALL IS A POINT WHERE SOMEBODY MIGHT NOT READ STRUCTURE, READ ENTIRE DOCUMENT, THEY'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT TO THE SECTION THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN.
WITH THE HOUSE BEING VINYL, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU WANT I'M SAYING YEAH, WHEN I WAS ON BOARD IT WAS LIKE MY DREAM.
YEAH IT SHOULD, WE SHOULD DEFINITELY THINK WE AT IT.
I CAN'T REMEMBER ANY, ANY TRUTH.
IT'S A SHAME OF SOME OF THESE EXAMPLES.
WE CAN'T USE THIS EXAMPLES ONE GARAGE.
WELL IT IS THE BACK COMES OFF THE ALLEY.
BUT WE CAN NEED SOME NEW PHOTOS.
I CAN GIVE YOU THE ADDRESS DOWNSTAIRS.
I'M JUST SAYING YEAH, THERE'S AN INSTANCE WHERE YOU HAVE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
THEY TOOK VINYL SIDING ON IT AND TOOK THE STANDING SCENE THAT ROOF OFF AND PUT ASPHALT SHINGLES.
THEY MIGHT HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE THEN WAS DESTROYED THIS ROOF.
WELL THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT'S SHOWED STANDING METAL ROOF DID.
I THINK LET'S GET BACK ON TRACK HERE.
WERE YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE ON THE ROOFING SECTION? NO, JUST THE RULES ARE RECOMMENDED AND THEN I DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SEE VERY CLEARLY SAFED OUT.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S LIKE FOR LIKE IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
WE CAN ADD THAT VERBIAGE TO THE BEGINNING.
WELL IT'LL STILL REQUIRE COA JUST YES.
LIKE FOR LIKE WHAT DOESN'T COME TO YOU GUYS COMES YEAH.
COMES TO US BECAUSE, AND THEN WE REVIEW IT AND SIGN IT.
EVEN IF I GO REAR MY RUB OFF AND PUT ANOTHER METAL ROOF ON, I STILL HAVE TO COME TO YOU FIRST.
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YOU DO BECAUSE YOU'RE IN DO THAT.NO, I THOUGHT LIKE FOR LIKE IT WAS 'CAUSE I DID NOT AT ALL.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, I GOT MISINFORMATION.
YOU'LL BE GETTING A VIOLATION LETTER BY FRIDAY.
EVERYTHING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GETS A COA BUT IF IT, WELL THAT BETTER BE SOMEWHERE IN HERE THEN WHERE IT'S CLEAR.
'CAUSE I SHOULD, WELL THAT'S PROBABLY IN OUR ZONING ROOM.
I CLARK WAS A CERTIFICATE PROGRAM RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH, EACH SECTION.
SO, SO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS TO BE ISSUED FOR ALL CHANGES, BUT WHETHER OR NOT IT BECOMES BECOMES BEFORE THE BAR.
LIKE SIGNS, WE CAN DO SIGNS ADMINISTRATIVELY IF IT FALLS WITHIN CERTAIN CRITERIA.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME TO Y'ALL LIKE FOR LIKE WINDOWS.
WHAT ELSE? SIDING, SIDING, ROOF TO ROOF, YOU KNOW.
SO THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE VERY CLEAR AND PLAIN OLD ENGLISH LANGUAGE.
THAT ALL CHANGES HAVE TO COME.
JUST LIKE YOU SAID IN YOUR LETTER, IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ANY EXTERIOR CHANGES AT ALL.
THESE ARE THE MAJOR ACTIONS WHERE YOU GUYS REVIEW THINGS FOLLOWING MAJOR ACTIONS AND OTHER ACTIONS, NOT SPECIFICALLY EXEMPTED BY THE TERMS OF THIS ORDINANCE.
UM, IN WHICH THE OPINION OF THE ADMINISTRATOR MAY CONSTITUTE A MAJOR PERMANENT DAMAGE TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT SHALL BE APPROVED.
THAT SAYS THE RAISING DEMOLISHING OR MOVING OF A DESIGNATED LANDMARK.
CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION OF ANY NEW MAIN BUILDING OR ACCESSORY BUILDING WHICH EXCEEDS 500 SQUARE FEET WITHIN THE DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT OR ON A SITE ADJACENT TO A DESIGNATED LANDMARK SITE.
ANY ADDITION OR SUBSTANTIAL ALTERATION OF THE DESIGNATED LANDMARK STRUCTURE, UM, WHICH INCREASES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR OTHERWISE ALTERS SUBSTANTIALLY IN ITS SIZE, HEIGHT, CONTOUR OR OUTLINE.
AND ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OR ALTERATION TO THE EXTERIOR ARCHITECTURAL STYLE.
UM, ANY ADDITION TO A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WHICH ALTERS, ALTERS SUBSTANTIALLY THE SIZE, HEIGHT, CONTOUR OR OUTLINE BY 100% OR MORE OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE THAN ANY FENCE OR SIGN THAT'S NOT IN CONFORMANCE WITH ANY SORT GUIDELINE OR THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND ANY OTHER MAJOR ACTIONS.
NOT SPECIFICALLY COVERED BY THE TERMS OF THIS SECTION.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS DO? YEAH.
BUT FOR US, WHAT JUST COMES TO STAFF IS RAISING DEMOLISHING OR MOVING OF A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OR A STRUCTURE WHICH IS SUBSTANTIALLY DAMAGED TO THE POINT OF BEING COMPLETELY UNINHABITABLE.
THAT GIVES US PROPERTY MAINTENANCE
LESS THAN 500 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
THESE ARE NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THOUGH, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? IT JUST SAYS, SO THE FIRST ONE SAID NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE RAISING, DEMOLISHING OR MOVING OF A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
THE SECOND ONE IS CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, LESS THAN 500 SQUARE FEET WITHIN A DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, BUT SO LONG AS THAT IT IS GENERALLY IN KEEPING WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN ITS SURROUNDINGS.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE AREA SUBSTANTIAL ALTERATION OF A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
ANY ADDITION TO A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, WHICH INCREASES THE SIZE BY LESS THAN 100% LANDSCAPING FENCES AND SIGNS AND PERFORMANCE WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
SO THAT'S WHERE JOHN AND I CAN SIGN OFF.
WHICH PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE IN THE PAST ON SOME OF THESE SIGNS.
SO EXEMPTED FROM REVIEW IS REPAINTING RESULTING IN THE SAME OR SIMILAR COLOR? ORIGINAL PAINTING OF MASON RESURFACES IS NOT EXEMPTED.
REPAIR CONSTRUCTION IN KIND, RESULTING IN NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN APPEARANCE OR FORM ADDITION OR DELETION OF STORM WINDOWS, DOORS, WINDOW GARDENS, AWNINGS, TEMPORARY CANOPIES ARE SIMILAR.
UM, ORDINANCES AND WINDOW AIR CONDITIONERS.
DID YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT AIR CONDITIONERS? WINDOW AIR CONDITIONERS ARE HOT.
EXEMPTED FROM REVIEW OR AIR CONDITIONERS.
I LOVE HOW THEY PROVIDED LIKE AN EXAMPLE OF AN UNSIGHTLY ONE THAT WAS STILL WITHIN THE GUIDELINES.
I KNOW THERE'S A PICTURE OF IT.
SO THEY CAN ADD LIKE TO BE D PERSON.
THEY CAN TV OR RADIO ANTENNA SKYLIGHTS OR SOLAR COLLECTORS IN LOCATIONS NOT VISIBLE FROM A PUBLIC PLACE.
THEY CAN PUT A BIG OLD HOLE IN THE ROOF AS LONG AS YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE TREE.
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WHAT ABOUT ASPHALT PAVEMENT? WELL OR INVOLVES LANDSCAPING OR CONSTRUCTION AND FENCES.POOLS AND THE LIKE AFFECT APPEARANCE OF THE CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY.
I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT MATURE TREES TOO.
SOME ARE GETTING READY TO GET CHOPPED DOWN.
OKAY, SO, SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS TONIGHT, WHAT IS THE NEXT COURSE? I MEAN ARE YOU PLANNING TO SEND US TO GOOGLE DOC AND YOU JUST WANT US TO MAKE ALL THIS POINT? I THINK OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN IT.
I THINK AT THIS POINT IF WE I SEND A GOOGLE DOC, THEN YOU GUYS CAN ALL PUT YOUR COMMENTS TOGETHER IN ONE PLACE.
AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN EACH SEE YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
WE HAVE TIME TO START EDITING.
THAT'S THE LIKE WE HAVE NO, I WANT TO NO APPLICATIONS THAT CAME FOR THE, FOR THE JUNE MEETING.
REALLY?
WASN'T HE LAUREN? I CAN DO THE DOCUMENT.
I MEAN TODAY WAS THE DEADLINE YOU ONLY STUFF IN ONE SPOT AND THEN I CAN TAKE IT AND NOTHING CAME IN.
SOMETHING IN THE SURVEY MUST HAVE POPPED UP FOR THAT HOUSE THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE HERE.
TODAY WAS THE DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSION FOR THE JUNE MEETING TO SEE AN ATTORNEY.
I HAVE A MEETING SET UP FOR NEXT WEEK FOR THAT.
YEAH, SHE MESSAGED ME BUT JUST SAID I NEED TO TAKE DETAILS.
THAT'S NOT GONNA BE, WON'T BE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE COMING TO YOU GUYS ANYTIME.
I MEAN YOU CAN HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION IF YOU, DID YOU JUST SAY YOU CAN DO THE DOCUMENT? YEAH, I CAN LAY IT OUT IN, IN PAGES AND MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY.
YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU NEED NEW PICTURES OF.
YEAH, I'LL BE A PICTURE TAKEN FULL GOOD PICTURES.
SHE WANTS SIGNS, RIGHT? SIGNS.
WELL, I MEAN IF WE'RE GONNA BE, I DON'T KNOW, THEY GIVE IT LIKE A DEFINITION OF CORNICES ARE AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S PICTURES OF THAT.
ARE WE GOING TO LIKE DEFINE IT SEEMS LIKE EACH KIND OF ROOF AND PICTURES OF KINDS OF ROOFS AND LIKE WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE KIND OF MATERIAL SITE.
I CAN SEND YOU GUYS THE LANGUAGE FOR THE NEW SIGN CHAPTER OF THE NEW ZONING ORDINANCE.
WE USE THE MODEL SIGN ORDINANCE.
JOHN AND I REVIEWED IT AND THAT'S BEEN SENT TO THE UH, SUMMIT.
THEY'RE JUST PLUGGING THAT INTO OUR NEW ORDINANCE.
SO IT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET THOUGH? NO, IT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED.
BUT IT'LL AT LEAST GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE DOING SIGN WISE.
IF YOU WANNA START, I GUESS COMPARING IT WITH WHAT'S IN THERE.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU GOTTA BREAK THIS THING UP.
HAVING A NEW ZONING ORDINANCE.
GIVE EXAMPLES OF EACH KIND OF THING.
YOU HAVE TO LIKE REALLY SPELL IT OUT.
THE BEGINNING NEEDS TO BE DO THIS, DON'T DO THIS, DO THIS, DON'T DO THIS.
AND THE REST OF IT NEEDS TO BE EDUCATION.
LIKE DON'T MIX COPPER AND ALUMINUM TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY'LL EAT EACH OTHER.
DON'T USE SUPER HARD PORTLAND CEMENT IN YOUR MASONRY.
LIKE SOME OF THAT STUFF'S IN THERE, BUT YEAH, I LEARNED SOME THINGS WHEN I WAS READING.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD END WELL FOR SOMEBODY IF THEY PUT A BUNCH OF NEW COPPER, LIKE COPPER GUTTERS AND STUFF IN THERE.
THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE OTHER INVOLVED.
THERE'S NOTHING ON GUTTERS IN THIS.
SO I WOULD YEAH, THAT WAS SURPRISING.
AND TYPICALLY YOU SEE THE, LIKE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, YOU WANT THEM TO USE THE, THE HALF ROUND, THE ROUND GUTTERS.
THERE'S NOTHING ON GUTTERS IN OUR ORDINANCE.
WE'RE NOT BUILT TO HAVE GUTTERS.
AND THAT'S, AND ON SOME OF 'EM IT'S DAMAGING THE CORNICES.
IT NEEDS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT INSTALLED PROPERLY.
IT'S ALL LIKE IT WOULD BE NOW.
WELL YEAH, THAT'S WORK ON THAT KIND OF HOUSE.
ONE OF MY NOTES ON THIS WAS THERE HAS TO BE LANGUAGE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FINDING A GOOD, A DECENT CONTRACTOR THAT KNOWS HOW TO WORK ON YOUR BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE MODERN MATERIALS AND TECHNIQUES DON'T MIX WITH HISTORIC BUILDING.
MOST OF THE TIME IT DON'T WORK YET.
SO HAVING SOME VERBIAGE ON THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A LOT OF HOUSES, WELL IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT HAVE BEEN VINYL SIDED OVER AND ON.
NOW A LOT OF THAT HAPPENED BEFORE WE HAD A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND WHAT, WHAT DO YOU DO? I THINK WHEN I WENT TO THAT, THE TRAINING BACK IN LAST, LAST FALL, THEY, I THINK THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY IN LEESBURG HAVE LIKE A DIRECTORY OF LIKE,
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UM, DIFFERENT TYPES OF CON YEAH.CONTRACTORS THAT THEY, THEY KNOW ARE GOOD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO.
IT REALLY WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA JUST TO KEEP LIKE THE DC PEOPLE FROM COMING IN AND SAYING, OH WE DIDN'T KNOW.
IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE DC PEOPLE
I'M JUST THINKING OF THAT ONE, THAT ONE ROOF WHERE THEY YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE RIGHT NEXT TO MY HOUSE.
IF MARYLAND, OH MY BAD AGAIN, I MEAN THE ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY FALLS BACK TO THE HOMEOWNER.
BUT I STILL THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A LIST OF CONTRACTORS WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO COME TO THE TOWN AND ALL THAT.
AND THIS DOCUMENT COULD GIVE HOMEOWNERS AMMUNITION, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY NEED TO ASK.
LIKE WHAT TYPE OF FLASHING ARE YOU GONNA PUT ON MY HOUSE? HOW IS IT GONNA BE DETAILED? HOW ARE YOU GONNA TIE IT INTO THE BRICK? WHAT MATERIALS ARE YOU GONNA USE? YEAH.
IT BE WORTH IT TO COME UP WITH A SHEET.
YOU KNOW WHAT TO ASK YOUR CONTRACTOR.
OR LIKE, SEND THIS TO YOUR CONTRACTOR AND MAKE SURE THEY FOLLOW THAT CHECKLIST OR SOMETHING.
I WANTED TO ASK YOUR CONTRACTOR.
THAT'S A REAL GOOD EDUCATIONAL PIECE THERE.
ARE YOU LICENSED
SO I'LL TRY TO GET Y'ALL LOOK FOR THAT FROM CHARLES HUTCHIN HUTCHINSON.
I NEVER GET HIS LAST NAME'S CHARLES HUTCHINS.
I ALWAYS WANNA SAY HUTCHINSON.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'S CALLED CHARLES HU.
UM, FOR THE HECK OF IT, CHECK YOUR SPAM.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOMETIMES STUFF DOES GO THERE FROM US.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN HE SENDS IT.
LIKE COULD YOU ALERT? I'LL TRY TO FIND OUT AND ALERT YOU GUYS BECAUSE I DEFINITELY GET YOUR YES.
SINCE Y'ALL ARE USED TO GETTING MINE, I I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD, SO I CAN LET YOU GIVE YOU A HEADS UP OR HE COULD JUST SEND IT TO YOU AND JUST FORWARD IT US
I CAN TAKE PICTURES OF SIGNS BUT I DON'T THINK I HAVE ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE TO TAKE PICTURES OF AND TABLATURES
I AM HAPPY TO SPEND MY TIME DOING IT, BUT I DON'T THINK I HAVE ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE TO KNOW WHAT I'M TAKING A PICTURE OF.
UM, 400,000 PICTURES OF CHURCHES ON THE COMPUTER, SO.
I GOT LOTS OF EXAMPLE PHOTOS OF CAN WE USE THEM THAT STUFF? YEAH.
WHY NOT? I MEAN, LEGALLY YEAH, THEY'RE MINE.
YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF, AND I KNOW THERE THESE ARE GUIDELINES, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I MEAN WHY WOULD IT EVEN SAY CHAIN LINK FENCE IS NOT RECOMMENDED INSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? ARE WE EVER GONNA APPROVE CHAINLINK FENCING? YEAH.
BUT IF THEY ALREADY HAVE A CHAINLINK FENCE, THEY CAN REPLACE WITH CHAINLINK.
BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, LIKE, AND I KNOW SOME BLANK, WELL THEY'RE NOT OBVIOUS TO THE EYE, BUT I DON'T KNOW SOME PLACES THAT HAVE CHAIN LINK IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING SHOP PROBABLY FOR SECURITY.
YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR HAS ONE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE FRONT.
THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE EARLY SIXTIES.
ANYTHING ELSE GLARING IN THE GUIDELINES THAT ANYBODY HAS RIGHT NOW? WELL I ONLY MADE IT TO THE FIRST THREE.
I MADE IT THROUGH SIGNS CORNICES ROOFING AND ADDITIONS.
AND NO, AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT VEHICLE PERMEABLE PAINTS COMPATIBLE MORTARS, THE IMPORTANCE OF TESTING USING TRADITIONAL MATERIALS LIKE CY BASED PAINTS PROPER MAINTENANCE.
SO WE COULD DO A SECTION ON HOW TO RESTORE A WINDOWS ASH.
LIKE MONEY SAVING TIPS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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DO DIY? YEAH.DIY ACTUALLY FOR WOOD WINDOWS PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE FLYER ON HOW TO FIX YOUR WINDOWS INSTEAD OF BUYING NEW ONES.
YOU WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE BLURB ON LEAD SAFETY.
SO OTHER THAN THAT I THINK WE CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE IN THOSE, JUST THOSE THREE SECTIONS.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO, I THOUGHT IT WAS A NICE TOUCH THAT, UM, THEY DID INCLUDE A SECTION ABOUT MATURE TREES.
I MEAN THEY DON'T REALLY GET INTO THE WEEDS ABOUT GENERAL LANDSCAPING IN GENERAL, BUT, BUT MATURE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, THEIR, THEIR REVIEW BOARD WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT BEFORE YOU CHOP 'EM DOWN.
SOMETIMES INSURANCE MAKES YOU CUT THE TREES DOWN, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
I'VE NEVER MADE SOMEBODY CUT A TREE DOWN.
I'VE MADE THEM TRIM IT BACK AWAY FROM THE ROOF.
BUT I'VE NEVER MADE SOMEONE CUT A TREE DOWN.
I WAS TOLD WHEN I MOVED IN THAT THEY HAD TO CUT THE HUGE OAK TREES DOWN IN MY YARD BECAUSE THE INSURANCE COMPANY MADE THEM BRANCHES WERE HANGING OVER THE ROOF.
I'VE NEVER MADE ANYONE CUT A TREE DOWN.
BUT TO PULL THEM BACK OFF OF THE ROOF.
BUT NOT TAKE THE WHOLE TREE DOWN THEN.
NEVER THE TREE DOWN SHE CUT DOWN.
WELL BECAUSE THERE'S SOME BIG BEAUTIFUL TREES IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT THERE WHEN YOU LOOKED AT IT THAT I WOULD HATE TO SEE GO AWAY.
THEY'VE BEEN CUT DOWN A COUPLE MONTHS BEFORE THEY PUT IT UP FOR SALE.
WHEN THEY YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE, BECAUSE IT DOES SAY SOMEWHERE IN HERE I'VE READ THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE OUTSIDE FEATURES OF THE HOME, THE YARD, JUST LIKE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE, YOU KNOW, TEARING UP THE ENTIRE YARD TO ASPHALT IT, IT DOES ADD TO THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.
UM, JUST EMAILED THE WARRENTON LADY TO SEE IF THEY COULD JUST SEND THE TEMPLATE OVER TO US.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE EASY FOR YOU OR NOT.
PROFESSION WHERE THEY ENCOURAGE WATER WHERE WORKING AND ADOPT.
I'VE LEARNED THAT FROM THE VIRGINIA MAIN STREET LADY.
AND I'M NOT VERY CREATIVE, SO I LOVE THAT.
I'LL GET SOME PICTURES OF SOME THINGS TO THE, YOU'LL SEND US AN EMAIL WITH A GOOGLE DOC.
YOU'LL SEND US, YOU'LL LET US KNOW ABOUT THE EMAIL THING OR THE TOWN EMAIL.
AND THE MAP, SOMEBODY WILL LET US KNOW ABOUT THE MAP.
AND A ROUGH IDEA OF WHEN THE LETTERS WILL COME FROM.
BECAUSE I WANT 'EM ALL TO TRY TO GO AT THE SAME TIME.
SO WE DO NEED TO FIND OUT IF THOSE OTHER HOUSES HAVE TO BE INCLUDED, WHICH I'M GONNA HAVE TO DO MORE RESEARCH NOW TO THE PROPERTY CARDS AND FIND PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO WAS THE ORDINANCE, KIND OF SPOKE TO THE DISTRICT A LITTLE BIT.
SO WE JUST NEED TO, YOU'LL SEND ME THE COPY ON YOUR LETTERHEAD AND I'LL SIGN IT.
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