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GO.MICHAEL, COME AND GRAB YOUR SEAT
[Planning and Zoning Work Session on May 1, 2024.]
CALLING ORDER.IT IS 6:00 PM IT IS, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF FRONT ROYAL WORK SESSION.
MS. POTTER, WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE? DEAR MARSH, DEAR COMMISSIONER WOOD HERE, VICE CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS HERE.
FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS APPLICATION NUMBER TWO.
UH, UH, WELL, I'LL READ THE NAME OF IT.
DO WE HAVE SAP REPORT ON THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT LIST? SO YOU'LL GET A PACKET, UH, SAP REPORT.
SO WE'LL GIVE YOU A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THESE THAT YOU'VE ALREADY RECEIVED.
THIS IS FOR, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION 24 0 0 1 1 9.
IT'S LOCATED AT 1324 OLD WINCHESTER PIKE.
UH, YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY.
UH, YOU APPROVED A REZONING, UH, IN MARCH FOR THIS PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT, UH, A COUPLE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE HOUSE.
SO THIS WAS APPROVED BY, UH, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FROM, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REZONING AND APPROVED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL FOR THIS PARCEL.
UH, THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU IS, AND THERE'S THE PARKING AREAS THERE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE SURVEY PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED.
SO THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU ON THIS IS FOR A LODGING HOUSE, UH, AND LODGING HOUSES ARE PERMITTED IN THIS DISTRICT WAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UH, PREVIOUSLY THE PROPERTY, THE BUILDING WAS USED AS A BED AND BREAKFAST.
THE OWNER CAME IN, UH, SOME TIME AGO FOR A BUSINESS APPLICATION TO DO A, UH, AN AIRBNB OR A LODGING HOUSE.
AND WE REALIZED THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE, SO SHE IS TRYING TO BRING THIS PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE.
WE HAD THE PROPERTY REZONED, AND SHE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT AS A NON-PROFIT BOARDING HOUSE FOR PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT ABILITIES IN THEIR CAREGIVERS.
UH, IT DOES MEET THE, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BRING THIS PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE.
I THINK WE WENT THROUGH THIS IN PREVIOUS, YOUR HONOR, AND THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER, UH, RECENTLY ABOUT THE PROPERTY.
SO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THAT.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BRING THE, UH, THE APPLICATION INTO COMPLIANCE.
HAVE THERE BEEN ANY COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS? WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY.
WHAT IS YOUR COMFORT LEVEL? WITH RESPECT TO THE COMPLIANCE? THEY'RE, THEY'RE OPERATING THAT NOW AS A BOARDING HOUSE, BUT WE NEED TO ISSUE A, A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR THAT.
SO THIS IS A STEP TO GET THEM INTO COMPLIANCE SO THEY CAN BE ISSUED A BUSINESS LICENSE.
DOES STAFF HAVE ANY CONCERN WITH RESPECT TO OFFERING THE THE BUSINESS LICENSE? WE HAVE NO CONCERNS.
THEY NEED ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT'S NECESSARY TO OPERATE THE BOARDING HOUSE WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
ONE, ONE OTHER THING, IF I MAY ADD, THERE'S TWO OTHER BID AND BREAKFASTS.
I THINK ONE'S ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY, PERHAPS SOUTH.
YEAH, THERE, I THINK THERE IS ONE OPERATING HERE.
BUT I THINK ALSO WENDY HILL MIGHT BE IN THIS LOWER CORNER THERE, BUT THE FACT IS IT, IT, IT'S A GREAT USE FOR THIS AREA.
OTHER, OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR.
THEY'RE SERVING A, A, UH, UNDERSERVED, UH, SEGMENT OF OUR POPULATION THAT HAS GREAT NEED AND, AND DOING IT QUITE WELL, I BELIEVE ACCORDING TO THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA
COULD YOU RESTATE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, THE DEFINITION OF ABOR? UH, I THINK LAUREN HAS THAT INFORMATION THERE IN FRONT OF HER.
SO 1 75 DASH THREE OF OUR ORDINANCE STATES THAT A RES LODGING HOUSE IS A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING OTHER THAN A HOTEL MOTEL OR BED AND BREAKFAST, WHERE LODGING IS
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PROVIDED FOR COMPENSATION ON A REGULAR BASIS PURSUANT TO PREVIOUS ARRANGEMENTS, BUT WHICH IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OR TRANSIENT GUESTS.MEALS MAY BE PROVIDED TO THE RESIDENTS IN A CENTRAL LOCATION.
HOWEVER, NO PROVISIONS SHALL BE MADE FOR COOKING INDIVIDUAL ROOMS OR UNITS.
THE MAXIMUM, MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ROOMS OR UNITS SHALL BE CONTROLLED BY THE AREA REQUIREMENTS OF THE DISTRICT, WHICH THE USE IS LOCATED.
BUT IN NO CASE SHALL THE TOOLS ARE BLOCKING ROOMS OR UNITS EXCEED 10.
A LODGING HOUSE SHALL BE KNOWN AS A ROOMING HOUSE FOR A HOUSE.
SO IN THIS CASE, WHEN THIS DOES GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE CONDITION, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS STAFF IN PLACE.
YOU'LL BE AT, UH, NUMBER OF LODGING ROOMS OR UNITS, NO COOKING IN INDIVIDUAL ROOMS. SO COMMON SECTION WHICH RESIDENTS BORDERS, WHATEVER MAY OR MAY NOT USE AT THE DISCRETION, WHOEVER RUNS IT.
WE'LL DO THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THEN A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE'LL PROBABLY REQUEST THAT ADEQUATE PARKING PRESENT AS A CONDITION.
THEY HAVE AMPLE PARKING AT WHOLE AREA BACK HERE, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE THE, THE PARKING DELINEATED ON THE PLA THAT WHOLE AREA'S IN PARKING SO THAT THEY HAVE AMPLE PARKING, SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR THAT USE.
SOUNDS LIKE SOME RESIDENTS ARE DRIVING ANYHOW, MUCH LIKE OUR OTHER HOUSE, BUT MANY PEOPLE CAR, WE DO REQUIRE PARKING.
DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS? GO AHEAD.
YEAH, THAT'S A REZONING APPLICATION AT 1321 HAPPY CREEK ROAD.
UH, THAT'S A REZONING OF, UH, APPROXIMATELY 43 ACRES.
SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE MEANTIME, UH, THIS WILL GO TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION IN JUNE.
SO YOU HAVE TWO WORK SESSIONS ON THIS ITEM.
SO, UH, STAFF, UH, THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD CONVINCE THE, UH, THE APPLICATION THAT THEY SUBMITTED, THAT YOU HAVE TO TRY TO PUT EVERYTHING IN A, A NUTSHELL WHAT THE, WHAT THE REZONING APPLICATION IS FOR.
AND THEN IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF TO, UH, MORE IN DEPTH QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN DIG INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
UH, PRIOR TO THE NE NEXT WORK SESSION IN JUNE, SO THE PROPERTY THERE IS LOCATED OFF OF, UH, HAPPY CREEK ROAD HIGHLIGHTED HERE.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA, LEAF RUN PARKWAY HERE.
AND THERE IS A PROPERTY THERE IN ODIN RIDGE AND HAPPY CREEK KNOWS, UH, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED RS UH, THE PROPERTY'S ADJACENT TO IT HERE AT THIS SUBDIVISION AND HERE AT HAPPY CREEK KNOLLS IS ZONED CURRENTLY R ONE.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR A REZONING TO DO THIS TO R ONE.
SO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE EAST AND SOUTH IS ALREADY ZONED R ONE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE REZONING APPLICATION FOR IS FOR, UH, IT DOES FALL IN LINE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NOTED HERE.
IT DOES FIT IN FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AND TOWN COUNCIL PASSED FOR APPROVAL.
SO IT IS ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, THERE'S A SCHEMATIC OF THE DRAWING OF THE POTENTIAL LAYOUT OF THE HOMES.
UH, AN ENTRANCE WOULD BE EXTENDED HERE ON ODIN DRIVE THAT'S ALREADY THERE FROM THIS PREVIOUS SUBDIVISION.
UH, THAT'S THE LAYOUT OF THE HOMES.
THEY WILL HAVE ANOTHER ENTRANCE OFF OF HAPPY CREEK ROAD, AND POTENTIALLY THEY LEFT, THEY LEFT A LOT HERE OPEN, NOT BUILDABLE FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE EXPANSION OF THE ROAD SYSTEM.
UH, AS WE GO BACK TO, UH, THE OTHER SEGMENT, THERE IS A ROAD THAT DEAD ENDED HERE.
YOURS, UH, ON THIS SUBDIVISION WAS BUILT.
SO JUST PROPER PLANNING, UH, POTENTIAL CONTINUATION OF THE ROAD, IF EVER DEEMED, UH, FEASIBLE IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT IS SET OFF TO THE SIDE.
ANOTHER PART OF THE APPLICATION, THEY DO HAVE OPEN SPACE HERE, OPEN SPACE, AND THESE GREEN SPACES HERE, NO, LOTS WILL BE HERE.
THERE IS THE ROAD AGAIN, OPEN SPACES ON THESE LOTS TWO STORM WATER MANAGEMENT
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FACILITIES TO HANDLE THE STORM RUN WATER RUNOFF THAT'S REQUIRED BY DEQ TO MANAGE THE WATER.AND THAT IS THE LOT LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THERE'S A, THEY HAVE A COUPLE MODELS FOR THE HOUSES POTENTIALLY TO CO TO GO IN ON THE SITE, UH, THAT THEY HAVE ELECTED TO INCLUDE IN YOUR PACKET, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE BUILD ON THERE.
UH, SO BASICALLY WE KIND OF CONDENSED THE WHOLE APPLICATION, SO YOU UNDERSTAND JUST THE BASICS OF IT.
AND WE CAN GO IN MORE DEPTH, UH, LATER ON IN THIS MEETING.
SO, ODIN RIDGE WITH THE R ONE HAS A DENSITY OF 2 68 UNITS PER ACRE.
HAPPY CREEK KNOLLS AT 2 82 WITH AN AVERAGE OF 2 77.
THEIR PROPERTY TO BE REZONED WOULD BE LESS THAN THAT AT 2 42.
SO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE AT A HIGHER NUMBER THAN WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, FOR THE REZONING TO R ONE.
UH, THEY DID SOME CALCULATIONS, UH, FOR, AND THEY HAVE DID PROFFERS.
NOW, AS YOU KNOW, PROFFERS ARE VOLUNTARILY, UH, NOT REQUIRED.
SO, UH, THEY DO HAVE, IN YOUR CALCULATIONS, THEY ESTIMATED THAT THEY WOULD ADD, UH, FOUR ADDITIONAL STUDENTS TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
THAT'S IN THE CALCULATIONS IN YOUR PACKET.
THE COUNTY, WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS ESTIMATED A NEW HOME, NEW SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION, UH, ROUGHLY $29.9 MILLION.
THAT'S FROM WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
UH, COST PER STUDENT 49 7 90, JUST UNDER $50,000.
SO THIS IS HOW THESE NUMBERS WERE DERIVED.
AND THIS IS IN YOUR PACKET TO READ.
SO THEY TAKE THE 49 7 90, YOU HAVE FOUR STUDENTS.
THEY'RE ASKING TO DO AN ADDITIONAL 22 HOMES BY RIGHT, THEY GET 82, THEY'RE ASKING FOR 22.
ADDITIONAL WITH THE REZONING IS A TOTAL OF 104.
UH, COST PER DWELLING UNIT WOULD BE 1915.
WE TAKE THOSE NUMBERS WITH THE CASH PROFFER THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN 1950 FOR THE SCHOOL.
104 HOUSES GIVES THE CASH PROPER OF $199,160.
THEY ALSO HAVE CONTRIBUTED 3080 $5 PER LOT PER HOUSE PER UNIT AT 104, GIVEN A TOTAL OF 3 28 40 FOR THAT OFFER ON THE PRO ON THE PROPERTIES.
THOSE TWO PROPERTIES ADD TOGETHER IS $520,000, OVER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT'S FOR THE PROPER TO GO FROM REZONING FROM RS TO R ONE, ADD 22 HOUSES IF THEY DO THIS BY RIGHT, THIS NUMBER IS ZERO.
SO, SO JUST TO CLARIFY ON THAT, BY RIGHT, 82 HOUSES, THIS NUMBER IS ZERO.
WITH THE REZONING THEY ADD TO 22 HOUSES, THIS IS THE NUMBER THAT THEY ARE OFFERING THAT IS VOLUN.
THEY'RE VOLUNTEERING THIS NUMBER, THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER IS VOLUNTEERING THIS NUMBER FOR THE, FOR THE TOWN TO USE, WHETHER IT'S TRANSPORTATION, UTILITIES, WHAT THE TOWN SEEMS DEEMS REASONABLE TO USE THIS FORCE.
SO THEY CALCULATED THESE EFFECTS.
UH, SO IN A NUTSHELL, THAT'S BRIEFLY ALL THE INFORMATION BECAUSE OF THE REZONING, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IN THE PROMPTERS, THERE ARE SEVERAL TABLES INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET THAT YOU NEED TO REVIEW HOW THEY DERIVED THIS INFORMATION.
BUT JUST IN A NUTSHELL, THEY'RE ASKING, UH, TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM RS TO R ONE.
AND WITH THE R ONE, WITH THE 104, UH, UNITS, THE, UH, UNITS PER ACRE IS LESS THAN THE OTHER TWO SUBDIVISIONS ADJACENT TO THAT.
KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT THE AVERAGE AT 2 77, AND THEY'RE DOING IT 2 42.
UH, THOSE ARE THE STYLE OF THE HOUSES ON IT.
THE OFFICER ARE DOING OPEN SPACE WHERE THEY'RE DOING, IN YOUR PACKET, YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY'RE, UH, GOING TO DESIGNATE THESE OFF TO THE SIDE FOR SOME TYPE OF A PLAYGROUND THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET.
THESE ARE MANDATORY HERE AT THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES.
THOSE ARE WITH THE DEQ REGULATIONS ON STORM WATER RUNOFF.
BUT THIS OTHER SPOT HERE IS ALL OPEN SPACE.
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IN THE R ONE OPEN SPACE.UH, SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.
ALSO, AGAIN, THE LAYOUT OF THE LOTS CONNECTING DOWN HERE TO ODIN STREET.
WATER AND SEWER IS ON SITE, SO THEY DO NOT HAVE TO EXTEND WATER AND SEWER ONTO THE PROPERTY.
IT'S PRESENTLY ON THE LOT OR ON THAT PARCEL OF PROPERTY, 43 ACRES.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, AGAIN, IT ALIGN WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN ALIGNMENT WITH THAT.
AND ALSO R ONE, R ONE, R ONE, R ONE ADJACENT TO IT.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY WITH THE RS.
UH, SO BRIEFLY, THAT'S A BRIEF EXPLANATION OF THE, UH, APPLICATION, UH, FOR YOU TO, A LOT OF INFORMATION TO DIGEST WITH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, ENVIRONMENTAL SITE ASSESSMENT AND ALL THAT.
THE REPORT DID SAY ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, IT WOULD NOT CAUSE SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT ON THE TRAFFIC.
THEY HAVE THIS ROAD HERE AT ODIN STREET PREMIER WHERE THAT SUBDIVISION COMES OUT.
LEACH RUN PARKWAY TRAFFIC WILL FLOW IN THAT CIRCLE.
UH, THEY COULD DO COME IN THAT THEY WISH DOWN HERE ON HAPPY CREEK ROAD, BUT THEY HAVE HERE AT ODIN STREET, AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, NOT A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT ON THE TRAFFIC.
UH, THAT'S BASICALLY EVERYTHING OF THAT ENTIRE DOCUMENT.
AND JUST BRIEFLY, SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND JUST THE BASIC PRINCIPLES OF WHAT THE APPLICATION IS ABOUT.
AND LAUREN CAN GO IN MORE DEPTH ON THE OTHER THINGS, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF THING AND NOT EXPECTING YOU TO READ THE COUPLE HUNDRED PAGES OF THAT.
IF YOU HAVE SOME ITEMS THAT YOU WISH STAFF TO GO IN MORE DETAIL WITH, DO SOME MORE RESEARCH BEFORE THE NEXT WORK SESSION, WE WILL.
BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OVERALL WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS PROJECT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS JUST ON THIS BRIEF OUTLINE? OBJECTIONS YOUR STAFF? YES, MR. WILLIAMS. FORGIVE ME.
WELL, THE EMPTY BLOCK THERE ON THE FAR LEFT, RIGHT HERE? YES, SIR.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS BEING SUGGESTED WITH RESPECT TO WHAT IS POSSIBLE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT? THEY'RE JUST DOING PROPER PLANNING.
THIS IS OPEN SPACE, SO THERE WILL NOT BE A HOUSE BUILD ON THIS PARCEL.
SO WHATEVER, 10, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, IF IT DEEMED NECESSARY TO EXTEND THIS ROAD, THIS AREA IS AVAILABLE.
BUT WHO OWNS? OH, STAY WITH ME, SIR.
WHO OWNS THE AREA TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THAT? WELL, OKAY.
SO PLANNING WISE, PLANNING WISE WITH THERE, THERE'S, THERE ARE SEVERAL LOTS IN HERE, BUT PROPER PLANNING, THEY ARE OFFERING THAT ROAD THERE FOR FUTURE USE POTENTIAL.
THE TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR A FUTURE ROAD CONNECTING THIS SITE ACROSS THOSE PARCELS UP TO THAT STREET.
BUT, BUT WHO OWNS ALL THAT PROPERTY? ARE WE PLANNING? I'M THAT BY DEMAND OR WHAT ARE WE NO, NO, WE'RE JUST, THEY'RE JUST DOING PROPER PLANNING FOR THE ROAD EXPANSION.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUILD A HOUSE ON IT.
SO 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THEY COULD EX I GOT, I GOT, I GOT ALL THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IS THE AREA OUTSIDE OF THAT TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH PRIVATELY OWNED? YES.
SO HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE TO THE AREA OF THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH THAT ARE PRIVATELY OWNED ARE GOING TO SAY, HEY, THAT SOUNDS GREAT, MA'AM.
WELL, NO, WE, THAT, THAT, THAT RESERVED BLOCK, TELL ME IF I'M EXPLAINING THIS CORRECTLY, THAT'S OWNED BY THE HAN DEVELOPMENT GROUP HERE THAT OWNS EVERYTHING ELSE.
MAYBE I'M MISSING THE WHOLE THING HERE, AND I, I ASSUME I, I APOLOGIZE.
BUT IS THE WHOLE IDEA OF THAT EMPTY BLOCK OR NOT TO ACCESS THAT WHOLE AREA OVER THERE TO AN EXTRA ROAD IF WE ACTUALLY NEEDED SOMETHING? YES, EXACTLY.
BUT HOW, HOW DO WE DO THAT? IF WE, BUT SAY WITH ME, IF WE ACTUALLY DECIDE THAT WE NEED THAT, HOW DO WE GET THAT? OKAY.
THIS WOULD POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO DEVELOP THESE LOTS HERE REDEVELOP TO REDEVELOP THEM, THE ACCESS TO GETTING TO THEM, THEY WOULD, THIS COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A ROAD TO CONNECT UP TO HERE.
SO JUST, IT'S JUST PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.
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A POINT WHERE WE BUILD A SUBDIVISION AND THERE'S A HOUSE THERE.IT, IT, IT'S JUST PROPER PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE.
MICHAEL, WHAT, WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? I, I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE, MAY I TAKE A SHOT AT IT? SURE, PLEASE.
THERE'S FIVE OTHER PROPERTIES, BY THE WAY.
THERE'S, I, I BELIEVE MR. WARE, THERE'S FIVE OR SIX EACH OF THOSE SQUARES, RECTANGLES ARE, WHATEVER THEY ARE IS A, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT MAY HAVE A RESIDENCE ON IT PRESENTLY MAY NOT OR MAY HAVE MULTIPLE RESIDENCE ON IT.
THE THOUGHT IS IN THE FUTURE, SOME DOWN, SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD, COLLECTIVELY, A DEVELOPER MAY BUY THAT AND THEN WANT TO CONNECT THE ROAD THROUGH THE POTENTIAL NEW SUBDIVISION.
BUT WOULD THAT ALL BE CONTINGENT UPON THE PERSON WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY? YES.
TO BE IN AGREEMENT ON THAT? YEAH.
I MEAN, IF THE, I DON'T SEE US USING EMINENT DOMAINS FOR THAT.
MAYBE I, I FAILED TO EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU.
NO, YOU YOU PROBABLY DID FINE.
SO OTHER QUESTIONS WE'RE AN SO L TESTING.
I JUST TRIED TO TAKE THE WHOLE DOCUMENT AND, AND CONVINCE IT TO SOMETHING RELATIVELY SMALL SO WE CAN HIT THE KEY POINTS OF THIS APPLICATION.
THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THAT.
THEY SUBMITTED A PROFESSIONAL SUBMISSION OF THE BINDER AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE FROM, UH, THAT SUBMITTED THAT.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO READ THOSE 300 PAGES OR MORE THAN WELCOME TO.
MR. MATTHEW, YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
HOW BIG ARE THE LOT FOR THE CLOSING? UH, THE R ONE, UH, MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
THEIR AVERAGE LOT SIZE IS GONNA BE LARGER THAN THAT.
I THINK 11,236 SQUARE FEET, I BELIEVE.
SO THE LOT, IS THAT AROUND 0.3 OR 0.4 ACRES? OR 0.2 QUARTER OF AN ACRE? YEAH.
ALLOW R ONE OF THESE HERE, THOSE, YOU KNOW, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 10,000.
UH, THE AVERAGE LOT SIZE FOR THESE IS OVER 11,000.
I THINK 236 IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT.
PRESENTLY OR IS THAT WHAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
THE R ONE, THAT'S WHAT THE REZONING, THAT'S WITH THE REZONING, CORRECT.
104 HOUSES VERSUS THE 82 BY, RIGHT.
SO I DON'T THINK WE, THE LOT B BY RIGHT.
UH, RIGHT IN THE RS BY, RIGHT IN RS IT'S UM, HALF ACRE PER, OR SORRY, ONE DWELLING UNIT PER HALF ACRE.
SO THEN YOU'VE GOT 25 ISH THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT.
YOU HAVE TO COUNT FOR THE ROAD SYSTEMS, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO BY REDUCING THIS, UH, REZONING IT FROM AN RS TO AN R ONE, THEY'RE ONLY BE ABLE TO ADD 22 MORE LOTS.
BECAUSE THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE, THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PONDS, THAT TAKES UP A GOOD CHUNK OF SPACE THERE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE OPEN SPACE IN THERE.
SO THEY DO, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY PUTTING, UM, YOU JUST CAN'T TAKE THE 43 ACRES AND SAY I'M A NO, I'M, BECAUSE I'M THINKING YOU HAVE THE HOUSE.
IF IT WAS HALF, HALF AN ACRE AND IT'S GOING DOWN TO A QUARTER ACRE, 'CAUSE I LIVE ON A QUARTER ACRE, YOU, THERE'S NOT MUCH SPACE BETWEEN THE HOUSES.
THE R ONE, UH, MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 10,000.
NO, THEIR, THEIR REQUEST AVERAGE IS GOING TO BE OVER THAT 11,200.
I'M JUST THINKING OF THE HOUSES ON THE LOTS IS THEY'RE GONNA BE, I SEE IN THE PICTURE WHERE THEY HAVE TREES PROPOSED ON THE PICTURE, BUT I'M ALSO THINKING OF EROSION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WELL, ANY NEW SUBDIVISION, WE HAVE PART OF THE, UH, LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE THAT'RE REQUIRED TO DO STREET TREES DISTURBANCE ON THERE.
WE CALCULATE HOW MANY STREET TREES THEY NEED TO PUT IN, HOW MANY TREES WILL BE ADDED AND SHRUBBERY TO EACH LOT BASED ON THE WHOLE SUBDIVISION.
THEY'LL HAVE TO COME UP WITH A LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
UH, THAT'S PART OF OUR ORDINANCE FOR THE, IN THE REVIEW PROCESS OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO ALL THAT.
IT JUST WOULDN'T BE VACANT LOTS WITH HOUSE ON IT OR A HOUSE WITH NO TREES ON IT.
MR. WOOD, I SAW, UH, FLIPPING THROUGH HERE, UH, A PLAYGROUND.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? THAT'S PART OF THE, UH, PLAYGROUND AREA.
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PROBABLY IN THIS OPEN SPACE HERE AND DOWN THERE.UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, STAFF HAS INVITED THEM, UH, TO GO OVER SOME STUFF THAT IN MORE DETAIL IF YOU WISH THAT THOSE AREAS WOULD BE DESIGNATED FOR THE PLAYGROUND AREA.
UM, HE GAVE A SCHEMATIC OF WHAT TYPE OF PLAYGROUND AREA THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN THERE.
NOT REQUIRED AGAIN, CAN WE HEAR FROM THEM OR A ACTUALLY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS HERE.
I I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE FOR MR. WARE.
MRM, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
THEN IF WE CAN HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT OR LAUREN WOULD PROBABLY, UH, EXPAND ON SOMETHING IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
YOU WANNA COME SPEAK? YOU WANT GO UP THERE.
PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF WITH BENEFIT THE PUBLIC.
HOPEFULLY FOLKS FROM HOME CAN SEE YOU AND HEAR.
I'M TODD LAWSON, UH, HERE, ALONG WITH SEVERAL FOLKS.
AND, AND WE ARE PLEASED, UH, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT, BUT WE ARE PROFFERING AND FRANKLY, THE PRESENTATION, YOU SAY IT WAS CONDENSED.
UM, WHAT, WHAT WE ARE, ARE PROPOSING, WE'RE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE WHERE SOMEBODY HAS STUFF UNDER CONTRACT.
THEY, THEY BOUGHT HAND ACCOUNTS THAT THEY'RE GONNA GO FORWARD ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO THE TOWN IS, IS THIS PLAN.
AND BECAUSE IT'S A REZONING, WE CAN, WE CAN PROFFER, UH, THINGS IF, IF IT WERE BUYRIGHT, WE, WE CANNOT TRY THAT.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY RUM? HOLD ON, JUST BOURBON.
UM, BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS A REZONING.
WE CAN DO PROFFERS AND WITH PROFFERS, WE, WE TRY TO ADDRESS AS, AS THE LAW REQUIRES OUR IMPACTS, BUT WE CAN ALSO SHOW YOU A PLAN.
AND, AND THE LANDSCAPING IS PART OF IT.
THE RECREATIONAL AREAS IS PART OF IT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD NOT BE, UH, A REQUIREMENT UNDER A BUYRIGHT PLAN.
AND FRANKLY, YOU, YOU CAN'T PROFFER THINGS IF YOU'RE PROCEEDING BY, RIGHT? SO WE'RE, WE'RE ABLE TO DO THIS BE BECAUSE OF, OF THE OPPORTUNITIES PRESENTED HERE.
AND AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS JUST BECOME MORE CONFORMANT WITH, WITH WHAT'S AROUND US, ALBEIT, AND AS YOU POINTED OUT, OUR LOTS ARE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, UH, THAN THOSE THAT ARE AROUND US.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING BY WAY OF DENSITY IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE UNDER WHAT YOUR COMP COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WOULD CALL FOR.
UM, AND THEN WITH REGARD TO THE, UH, PAYMENTS, UM, WE ARE ADDRESSING THE, UH, SCHOOL NEEDS AS, AS PROPER SHOULD, UH, THE CALCULATIONS WERE, WERE GIVEN TO US IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT WOULD BE GENERATED, THAT COMES FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD.
SO WE JUST USE THEIR NUMBERS AND, AND PUT IT IN.
AND THEN WE, WE TAKE FROM THEIR CIP WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US THEY NEED TO SPEND MONEY, UH, BY WAY OF IMPROVEMENTS AND HOW WE'RE GONNA COVER THOSE WITH, WITH OUR PROFFER PAYMENTS.
WE HAVE BROUGHT WITH US, UH, UH, A TEAM OF, OF EXPERTS THAT HAVE DONE THE 300 PLUS PAGE REPORTS THAT WE ALL ENJOY READING, BUT NOT ONLY FROM, FROM, UH, A FISCAL IMPACT AND PROPER ANALYSIS PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO FROM TRAFFIC STUDY.
UH, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE BOTH OF THOSE, THOSE FELLAS HERE THAT CAN ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THAT.
A BIG COMPONENT OF, OF THIS PROFFER THAT OTHER WE'RE THINKING IS, IS A TRANSPORTATION BASED THINGS.
UH, WE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF EFFORTS AT REZONINGS IN, IN RECENT MEMORY, AND WE DO HAVE SOME TRANSPORTATION CHALLENGES IN FRONT ROYAL, AND THE THINKING WAS, LET'S, LET'S PROPER SOME MONEY FOR TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE TOWN CAN USE.
UM, YOU ALL ARE, ARE, UH, JUST, JUST RECEIVED APPROVAL AT THE LAST CTB MEETING OF ALL OF YOUR, UH, TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS IF, IF THE LOCALITIES
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HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME, IF YOU WILL, IF THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN PROJECTS, YOU CAN USE THAT TO GENERATE AND, AND SPRING LOOSE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC FUNDS FROM VDOT.SO WE WERE THINKING THAT EXTRA $300,000 COULD BE USED FOR IMPROVEMENTS, UH, UH, NEAR US IF, IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, BUT WITHIN THE TOWN GENERALLY AS WELL.
AND I, I, I THINK IT COULD GO TO GOOD USE.
CERTAINLY THERE ARE A LOT OF NEEDS AND WE'RE HOPING WITH, WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WE'RE PUTTING FORTH A, A MODEL OF, OF HOW THINGS OUGHT TO BE AND HOW THEY OUGHT TO BE PRESENTED.
AND AS OTHER, UH, PROPOSED REZONINGS COME TO YOU, UM, PERHAPS OTHERS WILL, WILL FOLLOW SUIT AND YOU'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR, FOR, FOR NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS THAT I'M OBVIOUSLY FOCUSED ON TRANSPORTATION.
BUT I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ONE TO START WITH.
UM, BE HAPPY TO, TO BRING UP, UH, UH, MR. CO RING AND SITMAN, WHO CAN TALK WITH YOU ABOUT, UH, THE, THE FISCAL, UH, AND THE PROFFER ANALYSIS THAT WERE DONE.
UH, THE GOOD NEWS IS THEY, THEY DID THE HARD WORK.
THEY, THEY STUDIED, UM, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND THE IMPACTS, AND THE, THE CONCLUSION OF THOSE REPORTS IS THERE ARE NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS AS A RESULT OF THIS.
IT MAY HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH YOUR COMP PLAN, YOUR COMP PLAN'S ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE KIND OF SURROUNDED, UH, BY AGAIN, SIMILAR, UH, TYPES OF, OF, OF HOUSING, ALBEIT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, LOTS THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, BUT IT FITS IN WELL AND THE REPORTS, UH, BEAR THAT OUT.
BUT APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT.
UNDERSTAND YOU, YOU MAY HAVE AND WANT TIME TO DIGEST WHAT'S BEFORE YOU, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO APPEAR AT THE, THE NEXT WORK SESSION AND ANSWER QUESTIONS NOT ONLY TODAY, BUT ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, MR. WOOD? UH, MR. LAWSON? YES, SIR.
IT, IT IS A WELL KNOWN FACT THAT, UH, WE NEED TO IMPROVE HAPPY CREEK ROAD.
AND, AND I HAVE THIS IN THE PACKAGE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN SEE IT.
UM, IT SHOWS A LOT AND IT, HAPPY CREEK ROAD, YOUR PROPERTY, UH, FRONTS THE AREA WHERE MANY OF US CALL THE, THE, THE CIRCLE DIP AND THE ROUND, UH, THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, I'M SURE IN THE TOWN'S PLAN TO STRAIGHTEN OUT THAT ROAD AND WIDEN UP ROAD IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, BUT I, I DO KNOW THAT YOUR PROPERTY IS GONNA BE INVOLVED OR FRONTS THAT I, I, AGAIN, NOT KNOWING WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS, CENTER OF THAT SIDE, IS THE OWNER PREPARED TO, UH, WORK WITH THE TOWN ON GIVING UP SOME RIGHT OF WAY IN OUTSIDE.
AND MAYBE I'M LOOKING AT THE GRID AREA UP THERE.
AND THAT'S IN FAMOUS, UM, YOU, YOU'RE COMING DOWN THE HILL THROUGH THE CURB BACK THE OTHER WAY.
I THINK IT'S THOSE, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DEDICATE THAT SHADED RED AREA.
I'M SO MINE IN RED THAT THEY, I SAW THAT AND I SAW IT HERE AND I SAID, WELL, THAT APPEARS, OR IT RUNS TRACES RIGHT ALONG THE ROAD.
SO IF, IF THERE IS GONNA BE A DEDICATION OF RIGHT OF WAY, AND WE CAN AGAIN, UH, DO AN APPLICATION FOR MATCHING FUNDS FROM THE STATE, THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE, UH, ON THE TOWN'S WISHLIST.
THAT, THAT I BELIEVE THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF A, OF A POTENTIAL PROJECT.
WE, WE ARE DEDICATING THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S A PRESCRIPTIVE RIGHT OF WAY OLD BIRD ACT ROAD AND WE OWN TO THE MIDDLE OF IT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE DEDICATING.
SO IT'LL BE A STANDARD, UH, RIGHT AWAY, A VDOT STANDARD.
UM, BUT NO, THAT, THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T MEAN TO SUGGEST OR DICTATE WHAT ROAD PROJECTS THE TOWN WANTS TO USE THESE FUNDS FOR.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
AND CHRIS, DID YOU WANNA ADD? SO SURE.
I'M THE CHIEF DEVELOPMENT OFFICER FOR RAPID HAND DEVELOPMENT GROUP.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT YOUR RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION.
WE INTENTIONALLY LEFT THE LANGUAGE IN OUR PROFFER TO SAY THAT WE WOULD DEDICATE THE RIGHT OF EQUIP RIGHT OF WAY NEEDED AT ANY TIME IN THE FUTURE BY THE TOWN.
SO WHILE IT'S SHOWN IN RED HERE AS A SPECIFIC DISTANCE, THE PROFFER ITSELF SAYS THAT REGARDLESS OF
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WHAT THE PROJECT IS, WE WILL DEDICATE THAT RIGHT OF WAY.WE'LL LEAVE IT IN COMMON AREA AND WE'LL DEDICATE IT AT NO COST TO THE TOWN.
SO THE IDEA THERE WAS NOT TO TRY TO HAMSTRING WHAT THAT WIDENING WOULD'VE TO LOOK LIKE AND TO GIVE ADEQUATE ROOM IF IT NEEDED TO COME FURTHER INTO THE PROJECT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ALL ABOUT THE LOTS AND THE, THE DESIGN HAS BEEN DONE TO INTENTIONALLY TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT.
UM, SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR TO YOU ALL.
AND WHEN YOU GO AHEAD, I'M SORRY.
WHEN YOU DESIGNED THAT, AND I SEE THE ENTRANCE ON THE HAPPY CREEK ROAD, I'M SURE THAT YOU'VE WORKED WITH D OR I WOULD ASSUME, AND I WANT YOU TO ASSURE ME, I GUESS YOU'VE WORKED WITH VDOT LINE OF SIGHT, UH, TRAFFIC COUNT.
WOULD, AND AND I KNOW MR. LAWSON TOUCHED ON THIS A WHILE AGO, BUT I KNOW CITIZENS IN GENERAL ARE GONNA SAY, OH, YOU'RE GONNA PUT, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED HOUSES THERE AND THAT'S GONNA BE 200 CAR TRIPS AND, AND YOU'RE GONNA JUST CLOG THE ROAD.
I MEAN, HAS THERE BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY ANALYSIS DONE THERE? THERE HAS, THERE'S ALSO BEEN SITE DISTANCE STUDIES.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, UNTIL HAPPY CREEK IS IMPROVED, ANY LEFT TURNING MOVEMENT IN OR OUT OF THE SITE IS GOING TO BE DANGEROUS.
AND SO WHAT WE ARE SHOWING HERE IS THAT THE ENTRANCE IS RESTRICTED TO A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ONLY I SEE.
AND DOWN THE ROAD, IF IT'S SAFE TO OPEN IT UP, IF THE WIDENING IS DONE, THAT CAN OCCUR.
UM, BUT THAT DESIGN WILL BE DONE SO THERE'S ADEQUATE SITE DISTANCE ENTERING IN THE PROPERTY AND EXITING THE PROPERTY IN A RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ONLY.
AND THERE'LL BE DELINEATORS AND CONCRETE CURBING THAT WILL PREVENT PEOPLE FROM MAKING THAT LEFT.
UM, WE'VE COME IN AND OUT OF THE HOUSE DRIVEWAY MANY TIMES, AND PARTICULARLY THE SOUTH, YOU CANNOT SEE CARS.
THERE WILL ALSO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CLEARING AND REGRADING THAT WILL NEED TO BE DONE TO REMOVE THAT LINE OF SIGHT.
THERE'S THE TREE LINE ALONG HAPPY CREEK.
SO YOUR DRIVEWAY COMES INTO HAPPY CREEK WHERE IT'S STILL TWO LANE AND ON THE CURVE? CORRECT.
BUT THERE WILL BE A RIGHT TURN LANE IMPROVEMENT ALONG HAPPY CREEK AND THEN A AND YOU'RE DOING THAT RIGHT TURN LANE IMPROVEMENT? CORRECT.
THAT WILL ALL BE PART OF THE PROJECT AND WOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN.
AND THEN, UM, TO, FOR REVIEW FOR COMPLIANCE WITH REQUIREMENTS.
AND, AND IF I MAY, I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT.
UM, JUST FOR CLARITY, UM, THIS CONNECTION HERE, WE'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.
AND WHAT WE NOTICED IS THAT THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN DID SHOW A FUTURE EXTENSION THROUGH THIS PROPERTY FROM THE OTHER.
SO WE WERE NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE WERE GOING TO EXTEND THE ROAD.
WE WERE GONNA BUY THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND DEVELOP IT.
WE JUST WANTED TO BE CONSISTENT.
AND ORIGINALLY WE WERE THINKING THAT WE NEED A SUB.
UM, BUT WHAT WE DECIDED INSTEAD WAS JUST TO FOREGO A LOT SO THAT IT COULD BE EXTENDED.
NOT SAYING THAT IT NEEDS TO BE OR THAT THAT'S WHAT THE, THE COMMUNITY OR THE, THE TOWN WILL WANT DOWN THE ROAD, BUT YOU'LL HAVE THE OPTION IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU WANT.
YEAH, YOUR HONOR, UM, YOU'RE TALKING 3,600 TO 4,000 SQUARE FEET HOMES.
ARE THEY GONNA HAVE BASEMENTS? UM, MOST WILL, YES.
THERE MAY BE SOME THAT DO NOT.
UH, BUT THE STANDARD DESIGN IS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE BASEMENTS.
AND THE WIDTH OF THE STREETS THAT YOU'RE PLANNING AT THIS POINT RIGHT AWAY, 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
SO I BELIEVE IT'S ENOUGH TO ALLOW, UM, TWO 12 FOOT LANES AND PARKING ON ONE SIDE THE ROAD.
THERE'S THE EXISTING, I THINK IT'S ODIN RIDGE, IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT PAVEMENT IS 48 FEET WIDE OR SOMETHING.
AND, UH, THAT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE EXCESS, EXCESS PAVEMENT, UM, IN, IN THAT DEVELOPMENT COMPARED TO WHAT YOU'RE NEED.
BUT THIS IS PARKING AND ONLY ONE SIDE.
FOR THIS AT THIS POINT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST WANNA THANK MR. LAWSON FOR THE COUGH DROP.
IF YOU COULD BRING ANOTHER ONE TO THE NEXT I, I'LL BRING BUR TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
UH, THESE ARE FOUR BEDROOM HOUSES.
I THINK THEY, SOME MAY ALSO INCLUDE LIKE A STUDY THAT COULD BE CONVERTED, BUT FOR THE MOST PART YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOUR BEDROOM.
UM, WE WENT TO TOWN AND WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW 104, FOUR BEDROOM, IT, IT AFFECTS IT CHILDREN, BUT THAT
SO THAT WE DO HAVE ARIEL, UM, GOLDING WHO DID THE, THE ANALYSIS.
AND JUST FOR, FOR CLARITY ON THAT, THE, THE WAY THAT IT'S COMPUTED, IT'S THE NUMBER OF HOMES ABOVE AND BEYOND BY RIGHT? BUT IT'S ALSO TIED TO THE LACK OF SEATS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE IN YOUR SCHOOL.
UM, THAT'S THE STATE LAW ON PROFFERS.
SO WHEN THE ANALYSIS WAS PERFORMED, THERE WERE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY EXISTING AT THE
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HIGH SCHOOL, AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL LEVEL.SO THERE WILL BE MORE STUDENTS GENERATED.
BUT THE WAY THE PROFFER LAW READS, YOU PROVIDE PROFFERS FOR ANYTHING, ANY NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT ARE OVER EXISTING CAPACITY.
WE WENT OVER CAPACITY BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LEVEL, WHICH WAS FOR OVER EXISTING CAPACITY.
AND THAT WAS FOR THE 22 ADDITIONAL HOMES.
SO I THINK EACH HOME GENERATES MAYBE 0.1 OR 0.15 ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
UM, AND THOSE FIGURES COME FROM ESTIMATES FROM THE SCHOOL SYSTEM OF WHAT THEY EXPECT A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS PRODUCED.
SO THERE WOULD BE MORE THAN FOUR ADDITIONAL STUDENTS ADDED.
IT'S JUST BASED ON THE PROFIT REGULATIONS.
HOW YOU COMPUTE YOUR PROFFERS ARE BASED ON ABOVE ADDITIONAL, UH, EXISTING CAPACITY.
UH, MY, MY, MY CONCERN, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH WITH THE TOWN PLANNING COMMISSION IN MANY RESPECTS IS PARKING.
AND THIS 104 HOUSES, TWO CARS, AND THEN YOU GET TEENAGERS AND YOU MIGHT HAVE FOUR CARS.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK, DO YOU HAVE ANY OVERFLOW PARKING PLANS? WELL, THAT, I THINK THE LOTS ARE 60 FEET WIDE.
SO YOU COULD PARK THREE CARS ON THE STREET IN ADDITION TO THREE CAR GARAGES AND PROBABLY TWO OR THREE MORE CARS, THREE CARS ON THE STREET IN FRONT OF EACH HOUSE IN FRONT OF ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO IF YOU WERE TO SAY PARKING ON ONE SIDE, YOU COULD PROBABLY GET ONE AND A HALF TO TWO VEHICLES ON THE STREET AT ANY ONE TIME PER HOUSE.
HOW MANY OF THOSE HAVE GARAGES? ALL AND, AND SOME HAVE THREE.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE DRIVEWAY PARKING.
SO I THINK YOU COULD GET ONE OR TWO ROWS OF CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY AS WELL.
WE AT THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO TELL THAT'S LATER ON.
AND, AND THIS MAY BE EARLY ON TOO, BUT I I A LOT OF INFORMATION TO DIGEST THE FINANCIAL IMPACT.
HOW DID YOU CALCULATE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT IN THE TAX REVENUE? I'M GONNA LET SPEAK TO, I KNOW YOU GOT A GAGGLE FULL PEOPLE OVER HERE.
WE'RE JUST HERE FOR THE S TYPICALLY.
SO FOR THE FISCAL IMPACT, REALLY WE'RE ANSWERING THE QUESTION, IF THERE REASON GOES THROUGH, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE BUDGET OF THE TOWN? IS IT A GOOD OR BAD DECISION FOR YOU? SO WE BASICALLY BREAK IT THROUGH ON SITE IMPACTS.
SO THESE ARE THE TAX REVENUES, UH, MEASURED AGAINST THE COST OF THE TOWN FROM THE ON ONSITE DEVELOPMENT OF THE HOMES.
SO WE REALLY BROKE IT DOWN BY EACH HOME TYPE.
AND WE USED THE PRICING THAT THE DEVELOPER EXPECTS.
SO IN THAT, FOR THAT, IT'S REALLY SOMEWHAT CONSERVATIVE 'CAUSE WE'RE HOLDING THE PRICES STABLE OVER TIME.
AND THIS, THESE ASSUMPTIONS, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE THE CASE.
SO FOR THE ONSITE IMPACT, YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING IN THE TOWN, YOU HAVE THE REAL ESTATE TAXES, EMERGENCY SERVICES, TAXES, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES, MOTOR VEHICLE, CONSUMER UTILITY, TRASH AND RECYCLING FOR EACH HOME AND THE PRICING OF THAT HOME.
AND THEN WE COMPARE THAT AGAINST THE PER CAPITA COST FOR EVERY EXTRA RESIDENT WHO WOULD MOVE INTO THESE HOMES.
AND WE COME UP WITH ONE FIGURE.
SO FOR THE ALL COMBINED, IT'S ABOUT 240,000.
ON THE OTHER END, YOU HAVE THE OFFSITE IMPACT.
SO ONCE PEOPLE MOVE INTO HOMES AND THEY START WORKING LOCALLY, SPENDING MONEY LOCALLY, THERE'S GONNA BE ADDITIONAL TAXES COLLECTED BY THE TOWN.
SO FOR THAT, WE CHOOSE TO TAKE A REALLY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH AND WE ASSUME THAT 40% OF THE EXPENDITURE, WHETHER IT BE ONLINE, WILL BE IN THE COUNTY, WILL BE IN WINCHESTER, WHEREVER.
SO WE COMPARE THOSE TWO, AND THEN WE COME UP WITH AN ESTIMATE OF THE NUMBER OF NEW EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD BE GENERATED IN THE TOWN FROM THAT EXPENDITURE.
AND THEN YOU ESTIMATE THE COST OF THE TOWN TO SUPPORT THOSE NEW EMPLOYEES LOCALLY.
SO THAT'S THE SUBTRACTION AGAINST THOSE OFFSITE IMPACTS.
BASICALLY YOU'RE COMBINING IT ALL.
AND THEN IN THIS CASE WOULD COME OUT TO JUST OVER $400,000.
AND THAT'S AN ANNUAL AMOUNT QUESTION.
WE'LL HAVE COPIES OF YOUR WORKSHEETS.
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AS FAR AS THE, UH, PROPER, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU ARE ONE OF THESE GENTLEMEN BACK HERE.SOMETHING WAS IN THERE THAT I READ, AND AGAIN, I JUST SKIMMED THROUGH A LOT OF THIS, SOMETHING ABOUT PROFFERS ARE ADJUSTED ANNUALLY.
ANYBODY SPEAK TO THAT? ALL RIGHT.
AND SO, UM, I, I BELIEVE IT WAS MAYBE 20 YEARS AGO, COMMON PRACTICE WITH PROFFERS.
THERE WERE MANY DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE APPROVED, PROFFER DOLLARS WERE AGREED TO, AND THEN THEY WEREN'T DEVELOPED.
AND THEN 10 YEARS WOULD GO BY AND THOSE PROFFERS WERE NO LONGER SUFFICIENT TO JUSTIFY THE IMPACTS OR TO OFFSET THE IMPACTS OF, OF A DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHAT MANY JURISDICTIONS DID, AND IT'S COMMON PRACTICE, IS THEY INCLUDE A CPI INCREASE AFTER A SET PERIOD OF TIME.
SO THE LONGER THE PROJECT DOESN'T GET DEVELOPED, THE HIGHER THE PER UNIT PROFFER GOES.
WE, IT'S DONE BY CPI AFTER FIVE YEARS, I THINK IS WHAT THE PROFFER STATE, WHICH IS KIND OF STANDARD.
SO AFTER FIVE YEARS, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF THE DEVELOPMENT HORIZON FROM THE TIME THIS WOULD, IF IT WERE TO GO THROUGH ZONING APPROVAL TO GET SITE PLAN APPROVAL, START CONSTRUCTION, BUILD HOMES, AND HAVE THE HOMES BUILT OUT, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING FIVE TO SIX YEARS IS PROBABLY THE, THE, THE MOST REALISTIC TIMELINE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHY YOU USE A FIVE YEAR PERIOD IS TO KIND OF ACCOUNT FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S REALLY PUT IN THERE TO PROTECT THE TOWN.
UM, IN THE FUTURE, IF COSTS GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY, LIKE WE'VE SEEN BETWEEN 2020 AND 2023, WE SAW IN SOME CASES 35, 40% INCREASE IN SOME COST MATERIALS ON OUR SIDE OF THE BUSINESS THAT THAT PROFFER WOULD ESCALATE BY THAT CPI VALUE, WHICH IS A, A BUREAU OF LABOR, UM, STATISTIC THAT THEY KEEP EVERY, ANY QUESTIONS HOA AM I HERE FOR AN HOA? ALRIGHT, YOU'RE A WARNER.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF SEVEN RIGHT NOW.
THERE YOU GUYS, ANYONE HERE HASN'T SPOKEN, PLEASE GET YOUR S**T WRITTEN
UM, SO YOU'RE JUST ASKING IN GENERAL ABOUT THE HOA.
WELL, I, AND AGAIN, SKIMMING AT, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND FEET INSTEAD OF DOWN IN THE GROUND HERE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN HOA.
UM, DO YOU INTEND TO MAINTAIN THE STREETS OR THE STREET'S GONNA BE TURNED OVER TO THE TOWN? YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PLAYGROUND, IS THAT GONNA BE TURNED OVER TO COUNTY PARKS? I, I, I GUESS WHAT DOES THE HOA EXIST FOR AND WHAT WILL THAT DO? SO THE THINGS THAT ARE ULTIMATELY TURNOVER TO TOWN WOULD BE THE ROADS, THE WATER, AND THE SEWER, RIGHT? THINGS THAT ARE NOT TYPICALLY ACCEPTED FOR MAINTENANCE BY A JURISDICTION WOULD BE THINGS LIKE STONEWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES, UH, PRIVATE OPEN SPACE OR PLAYGROUNDS DEVELOPMENT, SIGNAGE, STREET LIGHTS, UH, LANDSCAPE BUFFERS.
WE'VE PROFFERED A, A FENCE THAT WE WOULD BUILD AT THE PERIMETER OF THE PROJECT JUST TO PROVIDE SOME PRIVACY TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY.
ALL OF THOSE ITEMS WE HAVE PROFFERED WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA IN PERPETUITY.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE WILL CREATE THE HOA AND UNTIL ALL THE HOUSES ARE DEVELOPED, WE WILL RUN THE HOA, WE WILL SERVE AS THE BOARD.
AND WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO, BASED ON THE HOA, UH, THE STATE LAW AND HOAS, IS WE HAVE TO SET ASIDE SUFFICIENT FUNDS EVERY YEAR TO COVER THE MAINTENANCE COSTS, BUT ALSO FOR REPLACEMENTS FOR THESE ITEMS. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PLAYGROUND, WHICH I THINK WE'VE CALCULATED ALL SAID AND DONE AS A 50 TO $60,000 DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IN THE PICTURE, BUT THAT'S WHAT THESE THINGS, RIGHT? AND WITH ALL THE STUFF THAT GOES WITH IT, UM, WHAT WE WILL DO DAY ONE IS WE'LL ESTIMATE HOW LONG WILL THAT PLAYGROUND LAST? WHEN WILL IT NEED TO BE REPLACED? AND HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE TO SET ASIDE EVERY YEAR SO THAT WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, WE HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS TO DO IT AT THAT ESCALATED COST.
AND SO EVERY YEAR WHEN WE COLLECT HOA DUES, WE WILL PAY FOR THINGS LIKE, UH, TRASH SERVICE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE SIGN AND FOR MAINTENANCE OF SOME OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS.
ALL OF THE OPEN SPACE FOR CLEAN OUT AND MAINTENANCE OF THE STORM PONDS AND FOR REPLACEMENT.
SO EVERY YEAR THERE'S AN ALLOCATION THAT GOES INTO A FUND THAT'S USED TO REPLACE THOSE ITEMS. SO YOU DON'T HAVE A RUNDOWN PLAYGROUND IN 20 YEARS THAT NOBODY TAKES CARE OF.
IT'LL BE SET UP FOR THAT PURPOSE.
SO YOU, THE HOA WILL OWN THE PLAYGROUND AND MAINTAIN IT, AND THE LAND IT SITS ON AND THE LAND IT SITS ON ANY OF YOUR GREEN SPACES.
AND, AND YOU SAID SOMETHING INTERESTING, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON WHAT I HEARD.
YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A FENCE AROUND THE ENTIRE COMPLEX OTHER THAN THE LONG HAPPY CREEK ROAD, THE THREE SIDES, WHAT YEAH.
WHAT WE HAVE, HAVE PROFFERED, AND AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING A LOT OF, WHEN YOU DEVELOP NEXT TO AN EXISTING SUBDIVISION, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLKS DON'T LIKE TO HAVE PEOPLE BUILT RIGHT UP ON
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THEIR BACKYARD.WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING TO DO WAS TO GO AHEAD AND BUILD A FENCE ALONG THE BORDER HERE, HERE, HERE AND HERE.
WOULDN'T BE ACROSS THE FRONT JUST TO PROVIDE SOME, UM, SOME PRIVACY OF THOSE NEIGHBORS, WHETHER THEY HAVE AN, MOST OF 'EM DO NOT HAVE AN EXISTING FENCE BECAUSE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE BUTT WOODS.
SO, UM, UNLESS THEY HAVE, UH, DOGS OR PETS, THEY, THEY MAY HAVE FENCING IN THERE.
SO WE'RE PRO PROPOSING TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT THAT IT'LL, IT'LL GO IN AS THE HOUSES ARE BUILT SO IT DOESN'T LOOK HODGEPODGE.
IT'LL ALL BE DONE, UM, AS THE HOU HOUSES GO IN AND THAT THE HOA WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR UP MAINTENANCE, UP AND UPKEEP.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE DILAPIDATED FALLING OVER FENCES AND, UM, COMPLAINTS FROM, FROM NEIGHBORS THAT'S NOT BEING TAKEN CARE OF.
H HA HOA WILL NOT MAINTAIN THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, YARDS OR HOUSES.
SO EACH HOMEOWNER'S RESPONSIBLE FOR CUTTING THEIR OWN GRASS.
AND IF THEY, IF THEY DON'T, THEY GET A, A NASTY LETTER AND ASSESS FINES AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AND THEN AT THE END OF THE DEVELOPMENT PERIOD, THERE'LL BE A, A HOMEOWNER BOARD.
THERE'LL BE ELECTIONS AND WE'LL BE REPLACED WITH THE HOMEOWNER BOARD, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S THEIR, IT'S THEIR COMMUNITY AND, AND THEY WILL TAKE OVER.
WELL, I THOUGHT OF ANOTHER QUESTION.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU PROBABLY HAVE A MODEL HOA POLICY THAT OUR ATTORNEY COULD LOOK AT AND SAY, THAT'S GREAT, BUT IT DOESN'T ADDRESS, UM, JUNK CARS OR A BAN OF CARS OR CARS THAT DON'T HAVE A LICENSE OR, AND HE COULD SUGGEST AND MAYBE MODIFY.
WE'RE, WE ARE HAPPY TO SEND THAT IN.
AND TYPICALLY WHEN WE SUBMIT OUR SUBDIVISION PLAS FOR OUR PROJECTS, JURISDICTIONS ASKED TO REVIEW AND WE'LL PROVIDE COMMENT ON THE OA DOCUMENTS AT THAT TIME.
BUT WE CAN SEND A, AN EXAMPLE ONE AT ANY TIME.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARY.
BUT YOU'RE WILLING TO SHARE THEIR INFORMATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A A, A STUDY QUESTION.
HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH TODAY? THAT WAS IT.
UM, IT WAS KIND OF JUST A, A BRAINSTORM ON A DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES.
SO IF IT'S UNAPPEALING OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT, HIS HISTORICAL THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO CHANGE TO, WE DIDN'T WANNA PICK OUT A LOCAL NAME AND THEN FIND OUT THAT WAS NOT A NAME PEOPLE WANTED TO SEE.
SO IT IS KIND OF A RANDOM SUBDIVISION NAME.
UM, WE WERE NOT AWARE OF, LET ME BACK UP.
WE WERE AWARE OF SOME OF THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY.
WE WERE NOT AWARE OF ANY HISTORICAL, UM, HOME SITES OR THINGS THAT WE FELT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO NAME THE DEVELOPMENT AFTER.
SO, UM, WE'RE OPEN TO CHANGE IN THE NAME IF, IF SO DESIRED, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS KIND OF JUST A, A BRAINSTORMING SESSION, SOMETHING THAT WE FELT SOUNDED NOT NICE.
WAS THIS EVER LAND OWNED BY THE MARSHALL FAMILY? NOT IN JOHN MARSHALL.
NOT TO MY OH, OH, YOU MEAN THE, THE, UM, COULD HAVE BEEN, COULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THAT.
IT WAS THE ODIN FAMILY THAT OWNED IT FOR YEARS.
UM, AND THAT WAS THE OWNER BEFORE IT WAS IN THE CHAIN OF TITLE THAT, THAT I HAVE SEEN, BUT COULD BE, 'CAUSE MARSHALL WOULD GO BACK A LOT FURTHER.
I I THINK THE PUBLIC'S DYING TO ASK A QUESTION, AND IT'S VERY EARLY ON AND MAYBE NOT EVEN APPROPRIATE, BUT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ASK A PRICE RANGE OF THESE HOMES.
I MEAN THAT, THAT WILL BE THE LOCAL INTEREST.
ARE THESE HOMES THAT LOCAL PEOPLE CAN AFFORD OR THIS, UH, ARE THESE HOUSES THAT PEOPLE FROM NORTHERN VIRGINIA ARE GONNA COME HERE AND BUY? I'M JUST ASKING WHAT'S EVERYBODY ON? EVERYBODY'S, YEAH.
UM, SO JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, WE ARE A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER.
WE CONSTRUCT AND DELIVER FINISHED LOTS TO NATIONAL HOME BUILDERS, THE HOME BUILDER OF THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE ALREADY, WE HAVE ALREADY EXECUTED AGREEMENTS WITH SHOULD IT GET APPROVED AND ZONED OR IF WE GO BY RIGHT, IS, UM, NVR RYAN HOLMES, WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD HERE, WHICH SHOWED PICTURE PICTURES OF THOSE HOMES SELL AT DIFFERENT PRICES IN DIFFERENT MARKETS.
THEY CAN SELL ANYWHERE FROM THE MID 500 THOUSANDS UP INTO THE MID 600 THOUSANDS WITH OPTIONS.
UM, WE, THEY DO EXTENSIVE RESEARCH.
AND, UM, IF YOU WERE TO, TO GO ON REAL ESTATE APPS TODAY AND LOOK AT PRICING IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF, OF NEW HOMES AND, AND FAIRLY NEW HOMES, UH, THEY'RE AVERAGING BETWEEN 250 AND $300 A SQUARE FOOT FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SO A LARGER HOME WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT VALUE RANGE.
UM, THERE ARE HOMES IN THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE CURRENTLY LISTED FOR SALE IN THE MID TO UPPER FOURS TO THE LOW FIVES THAT ARE 16, 1700 SQUARE FEET.
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THE PRICING ULTIMATELY IS, IS A BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT IT COSTS TO BUILD IT, UM, AND WHAT IT TAKES TO, TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BUY A HOME.IF YOU PRICE IT TOO HIGH, YOU HAVE NO SALES, YOU'RE HURTING YOURSELF.
SO IT'S A BALANCE BETWEEN US TWO.
SO THE RANGE THEY'VE GIVEN US IS MID FIVES TO LOW TO MID SIXES, IS WHERE THEY FEEL THAT THESE HOUSES, UM, WOULD ULTIMATELY SELL FOR.
AND HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE JUST DISSIMILAR RIGHT? PAGE? HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE BY RIGHT.
VERSUS IF THE UM, WHAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR IS, SO THE, THE, THE EXISTING DENSITY PERMITS ONE HOME FOR EVERY HALF ACRE.
SO IF YOU'D RUN THE MATH, THE MATH WOULD TELL YOU YOU COULD BUILD 82 HOMES.
YOUR DENSITY WOULD BE 82 HOMES.
THAT'S THE 22 THAT, THAT'S THE 22 OVER THAT.
AND THE 82 IS BY RIGHT WITH NO PROFFERS.
AND 104 INCLUDES THE PROFFERS.
QUESTION WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT, ARE THEY GONNA HAVE A PERCENTAGE, I FORGOT WHAT IT'S CALLED FOR OH GOSH.
UH, A LOWER, LOWER, LOWER INCOME.
UH, NO, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT.
AND, AND TO HIT THAT THRESHOLD, THEY LOOK AT THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME IN CERTAIN AREAS AND THAT NUMBER TO MEET THAT THRESHOLD IN THIS, IN THIS AREA WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OF, OR ASKS OF STAFF FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION? NO.
A LOT OF, LOT OF INFORMATION TO DIGEST.
SO THIS ON OUR NEXT WORK SESSION AGENDA, BUT NOT ON OUR NEXT PUBLIC MEETING.
SO THE WAY FROM HERE, THE THOUGHT WAS THIS INITIAL WORK SESSION, YOU WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO READ THROUGH ALL OF THE MATERIALS DETAILS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ANYTHING, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL TALK THROUGH AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
BUT AT THIS MONTH'S REGULAR MEETING, WE'RE GONNA PUT IT ON CONSENT AGENDA, MEANING WE'LL HAVE ONE MORE WORK SESSION IN JUNE, THEN IT WILL GO TO PUBLIC.
WE'LL ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE END OF JUNE OR MID-JUNE.
AND THE PACKET I EMAILED YOU ALL HAS THE EVERYTHING, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, EVERYTHING.
SO ESPECIALLY LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC STUFF, LOOK THROUGH THE PROFFERS.
UM, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MAKE SURE YOU EMAIL STAFF.
WE NEED CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT.
WE CAN, WE HAVE TIME TO GET THAT.
AND I'M ASSUMING MR. SONNET LOOKS THROUGH THIS AND WOULD SAY, UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR FIRST TIME I DO.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY I'LL BE FOCUSED FOCUSING ON THE PROJECT AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
PLEASE NOTICE THAT THE JUNE MEETING IS NOT ON THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF JULY.
YES, BECAUSE IT'S A HOLIDAY ON THAT THIRD WEDNESDAY.
SOLL BE THE FOURTH HOLIDAY ON JUNE 19TH.
JUNETEENTH, THAT'S A NEW HOLIDAY.
SO, SO JUNE, JUNE 26TH IS THE NEXT WEEK WE'LL BE AT A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? BE THE THREE AMIGOS.
UNLESS THE LESS, UNLESS THE PLANET, UNLESS THE TOWN COUNCIL HAS GIVEN US TWO MORE.
ONE OF YOU CANNOT MEETING THAT BE ALL THREE NEED TO BE HERE.
ALL THREE TO IT'S GOOD 19TH MEETING, REACHING OUT THERE.
THE FORUM HAS TO BE PERSON, BE BY REMOTE.
IT HAS TO BE IN IMPORT PERSON INFORMATION RELATES TO.
YOU READY FOR A MOTION? ANY FURTHER? ANY FURTHER BUSINESS? ANY ANNOUNCE NEED? NEED KNOW? WE'RE READY FOR MOTION TO MOVE TO ADJOURN.