* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. HE DID. HEY, [00:00:01] WE ARMED WITH HIM. [Board of Architectural Review on April 9, 2024.] WE WILL CALL THIS THING TO ORDER ANYWAYS AND WE'LL WAIT ON, JULIA WILL GET HERE WHEN HE GETS HERE. OKAY. UM, SO WE'VE GOT, UH, WE'RE ORDER OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW MEETING FOR TUESDAY, APRIL 9TH, 2024. UM, CONNIE, CAN YOU DO A ROLL CALL? MM-HMM. CHAIRMAN WATERS PRESENT. MS. SNYDER PRESENT. VICE CHAIRMAN VAUGHN. MS. AERS HERE. OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT, ONCE AGAIN APPLICATION 2 4 0 0 0 3 2 3 0 3 BLUE RIDGE AVENUE. UM, THIS IS, UH, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT YOU MAY WANNA DO THE MINUTES. OH, RIGHT. WE HAVE A COURT WITHOUT DOY. LET'S SEE HERE. YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY YEAH, WE ALL CAN VOTE. EVERYBODY WAS HERE. HAVE YOU GUYS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM PREVIOUSLY? YES. AYE, EVERYTHING WILL FINE TO ME. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A AYE. ALRIGHT. I'M SORRY. ALAN DID OKAY. YOU SECOND IT RIGHT? I NO PROBLEM. I DID. OH, I'M SORRY. YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO. ALL SECOND. SHE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE MOTIONS, RIGHT? CADENCE'S? I MADE MOTION. I SECOND. YEAH, WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA GET THIS DOWN ON ONE OF THESE DAYS. . . ALRIGHT, SO WE'VE GOT 3 0 3 BLUE RIDGE AVENUE. THIS IS A CONTINUATION FROM FEBRUARY AND MARCH. UM, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE TODAY. YES. YOU LIKE TO COME UP TO THE DATE? HATE YOU. HAVE A SEAT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE, OKAY. MY NAME IS LEONARD. RIGHT. CAN YOU SAY YOUR LAST NAME ONE MORE TIME? JI OKAY. WHEW, THAT WAS . ALRIGHT. LEMME JUST CALL YOU LEONARD . YEAH, THAT'S BETTER. DO. THAT'S MR. LEONARD? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON? HOW'S IT GOING? ALRIGHT, SO WE'VE GOT SOME EXTERIOR RENOVATIONS IN THE YARD AND, UM, REPORTS. AND WE'VE GOT TWO DRIVEWAYS, A PAVED WALKWAY. YEP. AND HANDRAILS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE GOT. TWO. YEP. OKAY. WELL I'VE GOT 'EM HERE FIVE ITEMS. SO LET'S JUST DO 'EM ONE AT A TIME. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF YOU. I'M, I'M ON PAGE EIGHT, UM, INSTALLATION OF A DRIVEWAY OFF PROSPECT STREET. WHAT KIND OF A DRIVEWAY ARE YOU PROPOSING HERE? IS IT PAVED? IS IT GRAVEL? IS IT DO UM, WE WANT TO MAKE IT PAVING LIKE ASPHALT PAVED? YEAH. OKAY. LIKE, LIKE A PARKING LOT. YES, CORRECT. SO IT'S NOT JUST A DRIVEWAY, IT'S A WHOLE, WHEN YOU USE THE WORD TARMAC HERE, YOU'RE REFERENCING PUTTING A PARKING LOT IN BACK THERE. YES. BECAUSE, UM, THERE ARE SOME SPACES THERE FOR PARKING, YOU KNOW, UH, LAST TIME WHEN THERE IS A, IT IS SNOW, THE WHOLE GRASS IS THERE DIED. SO IT MAKE MOLD IN THE ENVIRONMENT. SO WE WANT TO MAKE IT PAVING SO THAT THE PARKING LOTS WILL BE THERE. EXACTLY. OKAY. YEAH. IS THERE, THERE'S NO, THERE'S JUST A DRIVEWAY THERE NOW, RIGHT? THERE'S JUST A THERE IS. OKAY. IT HAS BEFORE. OKAY. AND I'M STRUGGLING TO FIND IT ON THIS REPORT WHERE IT SHOWS THE EXTENTS OF THIS PARKING AREA. UM, I GUESS WE NEED TO CLARIFY, IS IT JUST A SINGLE LANE DRIVEWAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA PAVE OR IS IT GOING TO BE A DRIVEWAY WITH PARKING SPACES ATTACHED TO IT? THE, UH, THE DRIVING WAY THERE ORIGINALLY HAS A PARKING SPACE AT THE BACK BEFORE WE BOUGHT UHHUH THE PROPERTY. HOWEVER, THERE IS NO, UH, LEMME BRING THIS UP. SO THIS IS THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OFF OF PROSPECT, RIGHT? YEAH. PROSPECT, CORRECT. OKAY. AND YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT PAVING THIS? YES. [00:05:01] AND THEN WHERE'S THE PARKING SPOT? OKAY. UH, I, I, I DIDN'T THINK, UH, HERE THIS MAP CREATED JUST A LITTLE OF THE THREE PARKING SPACE HERE, UHHUH. HOWEVER, WHEN WE BOUGHT A PROPERTY, THEY HAVE A, THEY WERE PACKING A VEHICLE THERE SHOWS. OKAY. YEAH. UM, THIS IS, THIS IS PROSPECT, I THINK. YEAH. IT'S PROSPECT HERE TURNING ON THE DRIVEWAY AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YES. YES. CORRECT. DOING THAT. SO WE'VE GOT TURNING IT OFF, PROSPECT DAVE DRIVEWAY. MM-HMM. CORRECT WITH, WITH A LITTLE NAIL SHAPE. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE, OKAY. AND HOW WIDE ARE YOU MAKING THIS? IT HAS A, I THINK THREE PACKET SPACE THERE. PARKING SPACES. WHAT? LEGAL PARKING. SO THE, OUR PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED TO BE NINE FOOT BY 18 FOOT. YEAH. IS ONE SPACE. AND THEN WE REQUIRE THE DRIVE AISLES, UH, TO BE LIKE 15 FEET WIDE. UM, ARE YOU JUST GONNA DO LIKE ONE SINGLE STRIP OF ASPHALT THAT MAKES AN L SHAPE? UM, I TEND ARE YOU WANTING TO INCLUDE THE PARKING AREAS? YEAH, BECAUSE HERE, THERE'S A TREE HERE. MM-HMM. . OKAY. THERE'S A TREE HERE. SO IT GOES HERE BECAUSE THIS PLACE I PARKED MY VAN. ALRIGHT. WE'VE BEEN PARKING MY CAR. THREE CARS, VEHICLE CLOSE. OKAY. IOD IN THAT SPACE. OKAY. SO THEN YOU'RE REQUESTING TO PAY, PAY IT THREE. SO A SINGLE DRIVEWAY WITH THREE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES? CORRECT. OKAY. CORRECT BECAUSE LAST YEAR WHEN THERE'S A HEAVY SNOW, SO, UH, IT MAKES THE AMOUNT. OKAY. SO WHEN I, WHEN I SAW IT, SO I CALLED MY REAL ESTATE TOLD ME I CAN REQUEST TO MAKE A PAYMENT ON IT TO PREVENT IT, NOT TO MAKE IT. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR OVER HERE? THE ONE IN BLUE RIDGE? YEAH. SO THAT ONE JUST TO MAKE IT PERFECT, JUST TO MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL. LOOK GOOD. UM, SO NOT ASPHALT. THERE'S NO PARKING THERE JUST TO MAKE IT PERFECT. OKAY. IS THERE A, THERE'S A DRIVEWAY HERE NOW THERE'S A CURB CUT THERE. YEAH, CURB. CURB. BUT IT'S GRAVELED IT. YEAH. AND THERE'S THE GRAVEL THROWN DOWN OVER IT. YEAH. IT USED TO HAVE LANDSCAPING, BUT NOW IT'S GRAVELED. GRAVEL. YEAH. OKAY. UH, UHHUH. YEAH. BUT I WOULD REMOVE THE BOAT. OKAY. SO YOU'RE JUST STRAIGHT BACK. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING PA STRAIGHT BACK HERE. HERE. YEAH. SO THE WHOLE THING? YES. WANNA MAKE IT, IT'LL LOOK BEAUTIFUL. OKAY. FLAT, CORRECT. ASPHALT PAVING THIS WHOLE SPACE? YES. OKAY. UH, WHAT ELSE ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE? WE'RE LOOKING AT, THOSE ARE THE TWO DRIVEWAYS PAVED WALKWAY FROM PROSPECT STREET TO BLUE RIDGE AVENUE. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING IT WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH. CORRECT. OKAY. CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE? UH, HERE, JUST HERE . OKAY. OH, IT'S ALRIGHT. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ALRIGHT BABE. UM, PROSPECT STREET ENTRANCE. HANDRAIL FOR STAIRS TO PORCH. OKAY, NOW WE'VE GOT SOME PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING RAILINGS ON THE PORCH. UM, THIS WHITE PICKET. YES. YES. BUT ON THE, UH, THERE'S A, THE ENTRANCE, UH, SO WHAT PUT, UH, WHERE, OKAY. , I SEE, EXCUSE ME. CHAIRMAN WATERS. I'M GONNA TRY TO SEND THE POWERPOINT TO YOUR EMAIL. OKAY. SO THEN THAT MIGHT SHOW SOME THINGS THAT MIGHT HELP. I NEED TO CONNECT THIS TO MY PHONE ON. [00:10:23] OKAY. IT JUST SENT, EXCUSE ME. YEAH, WAIT FOR IT TO COME THROUGH. IS THIS, THIS RAILING WAS ADDED? YEAH. OKAY. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WE WANT TO ADD ANOTHER ON THIS. THIS IS JUST LIKE THIS ONE. YES. CORRECT. OKAY. NUMBER, LET MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL WITH LIGHTS. AND YOU GUYS SAW THAT THE RAILING, THE BLACK PICKETS AND THAT'S, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THE SAME TYPE OF RAILING ON THE OTHER SIDE WITH TWO. YEAH. CORRECT. NOW THE OTHER SIDE, DOES IT IT HAVE A RAILING AT ALL RIGHT NOW? NO, IT DOESN'T. NO RAILING. NO RAILING YET. OKAY. SO WE JUST FOLLOW, PULL IT. THEN ALSO REMOVING, UM, THIS, UH, AIR CONDITION HERE. MM-HMM. AND I'VE ALREADY MOVED IT ALREADY. YEAH. THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY. OH, OKAY. SO IT'S JUST THE, THE PAVED AREAS AND THEN THE WALKING PATH AND THEN THE RAILINGS ON THE PORCH ENTRANCE IS ALL WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS IN THE APPLICATION THAT AREN'T IN THE SUMMARY, LIKE, UM, TO CLOSE THE UNDERNEATH OF THE HOUSE WITH STONES AND BRICKS. RIGHT. AND I DON'T, I WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION ON WHAT CHANGING THE WINDOWS MEANS. OKAY. I TAKING THESE BRICK WHERE WERE HERE ALREADY, ONLY THAT, UH, SOME OF THE PLACES WERE OPEN. ALRIGHT. WHAT PLACES? I DON'T SEE ANY OPEN PLACES THERE. THESE ONES, IT'S ALREADY THERE BEFORE ORIGINALLY FROM ON THE HOUSE. RIGHT. BUT THE OTHER SIDE. OKAY. LIKE YOU CAN LOOK HERE UNDER, UNDER THE PORCH. YEAH. IT'S OPEN. SO WE WANT TO, SO MS. LAST, WE WANT TO CLOSE IT TO AVOID LIKE RATS BECAUSE WE MADE, UM, A DOCK ALREADY. THEY HAVE HAS NO DOCK BEFORE. SO WE GOT SOME PEOPLE WHO DID A DOCKING ON NEED AND WE PUT UM, A HEAT PUMP. OKAY. SO YOU DID, YOU INSTALLED DUCT WORK AND YOU YEAH. YOU PUT IN, YOU INSTALLED AIR CONDITIONING AND YES. CORRECT. OKAY. SO WE NEED TO CLOSE IT TO AVOID SOMETHING GOING TO BE DOCK. THAT MEANS IT, WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON NEED TO MAKE THE DOCK FROM ORIGINALLY REMOVING THE, UH, BOILING WITH, UH, THE WATER RIGHT. TO PUT A, A HEAT PUMP ON IT. SO YOU, YOU JUST WENT TO ENCLOSE UNDERNEATH THE FRONT PORCH YES. TO AVOID ANYTHING DAMAGING THE DOCK THAT YES. I'M CONFUSED. I'M LOOKING AT OUR AGENDA, OUR, UM, DOCUMENT HERE AND IT HAS THE SUMMARY AND IT SAYS SOME THINGS WERE APPROVED, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT. SO SOME OF THE THINGS ARE CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVE AND SO WHAT WE PUT IN, SOME ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS WOULD NEED TO RIGHT. SO JUST MAKE A DECISION ON, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THOSE ITEMS ARE ON THE WRITTEN OUT ON THERE. I THINK WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON JUST THE LIST OF THE FIVE ITEMS THAT THEY'VE ASKED US TO REVIEW. OKAY. SO, AND THAT'S THE, THE PAVING AREA. THE DRIVEWAYS PARKING AREAS, THE WALKING PATH AND THE HANDRAILS. UNLESS I'M, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE ON THERE, SO [00:15:01] I DON'T, I THINK WE NEED, WELL I DON'T KNOW WHEN TO MENTION THIS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE FENCE THAT WAS APPROVED GOES BACK WOOD AND NOT VINYL. YEAH. THAT'S YOUR THING. UM, BECAUSE IT VINYL THINK IT FENCES UP ON THE PORCH. YAY. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN'T DO VINYL. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE HOUSE IS A, IS A SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY IN THE TOWN. IT'S A, OF COURSE IT'S HISTORIC PROPERTY. THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. SO MAINTAINING THE STYLE AND THE AESTHETIC TO A HIGH STANDARD IS IMPORTANT. CORRECT. SO THINGS LIKE MATCHING THE HAND RAILINGS. MM-HMM. ON YOUR ENTRANCE WAYS TO THE STYLE OF THE PORCH IS IMPORTANTS USING WOOD RAILINGS. WOOD PICKETS AND MATCHING THE STYLE. WHITE COLOR. WHITE COLOR. YEAH. BUT USING WOOD FOR THE WHOLE THING. SO YOU CAN'T USE THE VINYL AND THE METAL? IT DOESN'T, YEAH, IT DOESN'T, IT HAS TO MATCH THE REST OF THE PORCH. OF THE PORCH. SO, OKAY. LIKE THIS, THIS HERE, WE CAN'T APPROVE THAT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE USE MOVE. IT HAS TO BE LIKE THIS. ALRIGHT. YEAH. PICKETS SHOULD MATCH, THEY SHOULD BE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE REST OF THE RAILING. OKAY. AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE OF THE CODE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING, A QUESTION FOR THE STAFF WOULD BE THE HEIGHT OF THE HANDRAIL AND THE LENGTH THAT NEEDS TO BE IN RELATION TO THE STAFF. AND THAT'S GONNA BE, SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT'S GONNA DETERMINE MM-HMM. , UM, THE DIMENSIONS AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THOSE HANDRAILS. I, I DON'T THINK LOOKING AT THIS, THAT THIS RAMP IS AADA A COMPLIANT, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAN NECESSARILY REGULARLY, WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH IS THESE. I THINK THIS IS TOO STEEP, MAKING THESE LOOK AS MUCH LIKE THIS AS WE CAN. OKAY. HOW ABOUT THE LIGHTS? THIS IS JUST THE LIGHTS. I MEAN, JUST A LIGHT IS THEY'RE JUST SITTING ON TOP AND THEY TEMPORARY DOESN'T REMOVE, THEY'RE NOT SCREWED IN THEN THAT'S YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S NOT TAKING AWAY HOME. THAT'S FINE. BUT IF WE'RE GONNA ADD RAILING, IT NEEDS TO MATCH THE REST OF THE PORCH. IT MUST BE WHITE COLOR, NOT ONLY JUST COLOR. IT HAS TO BE A PICK. IT HAS TO MATCH PROFILE AND THE HEIGHT AND THE SHAPE OF THIS. OKAY. I GOT YOU EVERYTHING. ALRIGHT. BUT THIS IS WOOD. IT IS JUST THAT, UH, WE COATED IT. IS THIS THE CLASSIC? YEAH. SO YOU PUTTING A FOUR BY FOUR IN THERE? YES. AND THEN SLIDING THAT VINYL OVER THE TOP. CORRECT. THAT'S STILL NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. IF YOU UNCOVER, IF YOU REMOVE THE VINYL AND THEN YOU HAVE THE WOODEN HANDRAIL AND THE WOODEN SPINDLES THAT MATCH THIS PORCH, THAT WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU GOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THERE. OKAY. THE OTHER STUFF, THESE, THE PAVING AREAS, I MEAN, IS IT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A PARKING LOT ON THAT HOUSE HUMP BLUE AVENUE? BECAUSE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I GUESS PUTTING IN A PARKING LOT CORRECT. ON THE BACK. YEAH. YEAH. BUT IT WAS THERE BEFORE. JUST THAT WE WANT TO PAVE IT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S NOT DOING ANYTHING TO THE HOUSE. IT'S NOT, IS IT GOING TO AFFECT THE OUT BUILDINGS AT ALL? IT WAS THERE BEFORE ONLY TO PIVOT. YEAH. BECAUSE IT WAS HAD GRAVEL BEFORE. YEAH. JUST I THINK THOSE OUTBUILDINGS ARE ORIGINAL. SO LIKE WANT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN TO, SO YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THESE BUILDINGS HERE? NO. NO. OKAY. NO, IT'S JUST PAVING, TURNING IN HERE BELOW FOUR. IT HAS A GRAVEL ONE. IT'S ALL GRAVEL, RIGHT? YEAH. GRAVE, JUST PIVOT. OKAY. BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THERE'S NO PERVING ON IT. GRASS GROW ON IT. RIGHT. SO, BUT NOW I SPREAD IT, UH, A GRASS KILLER UHHUH , SO YOU CAN SEE IT PROPERLY. UHHUH . SO THAT IS IT. [00:20:08] I MEAN, IS THERE, OUR ORDINANCE ALLOWS, SO IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, IF THE PAVED AREA IS UNDER LIKE 4,000 SQUARE FEET OR 4,500 SQUARE FEET, I'LL CHECK THE EXACT NUMBER. IT'S PERMITTED TO STAY GRAVEL. ANYTHING OVER THAT IS REQUIRED TO PAY. UM, HE HAD, I DON'T HAVE THE DIMENSION OF WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO. I'M ASSUMING THAT ENTIRE LOT ITSELF IS PROBABLY AROUND THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. UM, WE HAD SOME OLDER PHOTOGRAPHS IN THAT. SO THIS HOUSE WAS USED AS AN EXAMPLE OF LIKE, IT WAS EASY AS AN EXAMPLE IN OUR HISTORIC GUIDELINES BOOK ON HOW TO PROPERLY LIKE PAINT, BASICALLY LIKE COLOR CODE THE OUTSIDE OF YOUR EXTERIOR. SO THIS HOUSE IS VERY SIGNIFICANT FOR THE TOWN. SO YOU KNEW THAT IT HAS A, A WHITE COLOR ORIGINALLY. I, I, WELL, THE BLUE AND THE RED IS ACTUALLY MORE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE THAN THE WHITE. SO WHEN THE PEOPLE THAT YOU BOUGHT THIS FROM BOUGHT THE HOUSE, THEY DID A LOT OF WORK TO IT. YEAH, THEY DID. THAT'S ALL. UM, OKAY, SO YOU'RE ON A QUARTER OF AN ACRE. LET SEE. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE ON AN 11,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. IF WE MOTION IT, I MEAN IT'S, IT WAS A YARD. YEAH. IT LIKE GRAVEL BROKE DOWN THEN. YEAH. TO ACCOMMODATE TRAFFIC AND OUT OF THERE. YEAH. SO NOT WE NEED IN THE HOUSE. WE NEED A DOCK ALREADY, RIGHT? THE YEAH, WE MADE A YEAH, WE, THE SITE IMPROVEMENT SECTION OF THE HISTORIC CODE. IT TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. YEAH. I MEAN, DO YOU WANNA PERMIT THE GRAVEL OR DO MEAN PERMIT? IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ALREADY THERE, IT'S ALREADY EVEN BEEN DONE, YOU KNOW? YEAH. UM, I THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO MAKE IT PAVE HIM BECAUSE WHEN THERE IS SNOW MM-HMM. YOU CAN'T SPRAY SALT. MM-HMM. ON NETS. IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, BECAUSE WHENEVER THERE IS A SNOW, IT'S VERY HARD TO REMOVE IT. REMOVING THE SNOW AT TIMES. REMOVE THE GRAVEL. MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT MAKE IT PAVING TO RETURN THE BEAUTY OF IT'S, AND THERE'S NOT, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S PARKING ALONG BLUE RIDGE AVENUE, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO. THERE'S NO PARKING ALONG RIDGE AVENUE PARKING THREE. YOU HAVE THREE, THREE PARKING SPOTS IN THE FRONT. YEAH, BUT THERE'S NOT ALONG PROSPECT. THAT'S TOO NARROW. NO. YEAH. GOT ALL THIS AVAILABLE PARKING HERE RIGHT ALONG BLUE RIDGE AVENUE. IT'S ABOUT GOOD THREE, THREE SPOTS PROBABLY IN, NO, REMEMBER THERE IS ANOTHER, UH, UH, BUILDINGS OVER THERE. THEY, THEY USE IT ALSO. AND THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THERE IS A DOUBLE PARKING, IT'S NOT GOOD. WE BLOCK SOME PEOPLE TO PASS BY. SO I LIKE TO BACK AT THE BACK YOU ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO USE IT. I SEE. WELL, THE REASON, I MEAN, I'M INCLINED TO TO, DESPITE THE BENEFITS OF PAVING. YEAH. UNIFICATION. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, BUT THERE'S A CERTAIN PERMANENCE TO THAT. GRAVEL IS REVERSIBLE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH. IT FITS YOUR NEEDS NOW ON THE PROPERTY. BUT PAVING THE, ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRE YARD SEEMS, UH, AGGRESSIVE. IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HARD TO REVERSE IN THE FUTURE. A POTENTIAL OWNER THAT MAY WANT A YARD OR, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY LIVE THERE FOR 50 YEARS, I DON'T KNOW. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. A THE YARD. UH, MY NEIGHBOR PAY, UH, HIS OWN FATHER. THEY DID, [00:25:01] HE PAVED HIS WHOLE CAR. YEAH. YEAH, HE DID. YEAH. THE ONE THEY PROSPECT WONDER, HE PAVE IT. ALL OF THEM WONDER WHY. YEAH, THEY DID. WELL HE PAVED A DRIVEWAY. YEAH. HE DID ONE RIGHT NEXT DOOR WHERE THEY JUST PUT THE NEW METAL ROOF ON, TOOK THE SHINGLES OFF AND WENT BACK WITH METAL. YEAH, JUST THE DRIVEWAY. JUST THE DRIVEWAY, THE DRIVEWAY DRIVEWAY BACK. YEAH. RIGHT. BUT, BUT THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE SURFACE AREA THAN WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT DRIVEWAY. IT WOULD JUST BE THIS. RIGHT. AND THEN A LITTLE ONE HERE. YEAH. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PING ALL OF THIS? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. ONLY HERE, LET ME GO BACK. YEAH, YEAH. GO BACK. YEAH. LET ME SHOW YOU NOW, WHEN I HIGHLIGHTED THIS EARLIER, UHHUH, YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA DO THIS? YEAH. NO, NO, NO. BRING YOUR, UH, CALM DOWN LITTLE. DON'T GO TO THE OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA GO LIKE THIS UHHUH? YES. AND THEN LIKE THIS. CORRECT. SO IT'S GONNA BE ONE SPOT HERE. YES. AND ONE SPOT HERE. YEAH. THAT IS IT. WE ARE NOT GOING HERE IS OPEN. OKAY. NO, WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THAT AREA. BUT THEN WE'VE GOT, SO THAT WOULD LEAVE YOU WITH THIS AS YOU'RE, AS THE LAWN BECAUSE YOU'RE REQUESTING TO PAVE THIS AREA, CORRECT? YES. AND THAT'S LIKE TWO THIRDS OF YOUR LAWN WOULD BE AS LEFT. NO, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A VEHICLE PARKED HERE ALREADY. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, LAST YEAR, THERE IS A LONG SNOW. THAT PLACE WAS MUD. YEAH. ON THE, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME POWER HERE. I THINK, UH, WHEN THEY, FROM OUR PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE REMOVING THE SNOW UHHUH, THEY REMOVE THE GRAVEL. RIGHT. SO IT DAMAGED THE, UM, THE, THERE'S THE SUN, SOME SAND COMING OUT. RIGHT. SO IT'S VERY, IT LOOKS VERY BAD. YEAH. YOU SEE, AND WHEN YOU SPRAY SALT ON IT, OH, YOU'RE NOT GOING LIKE IT. YEAH. SO WHAT I DID WAS I CALLED PEOPLE TO BRING MORE GRAVEL TO PUT IT, TO COVER IT AGAIN. MM-HMM. . YOU SEE? SO WHEN THERE IS ENOUGH SNOW, I SAY NO, I THINK WE NEED TO PAVE IT TO RETURN IT. THEY SO THAT IT'LL BE LOOK BEAUTIFUL WHENEVER THERE IS SNOW. WE JUST LIKE THE OTHER NEIGHBOR, WE SPRAY SALTS. YEAH. WELL IF YOU DO ENOUGH SALT ON AN ASPHALT IT, WE WILL TEAR IT UP. YEAH. THAT'S A FACT. UM, I THINK THE THING TOO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT IS YEAH KNOW THIS WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE A RESIDENTIAL HOME WITH A YARD. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S PART OF OUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE WE PRESERVE THAT IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE REASON THAT YOU'RE HAVING THE PROBLEM WITH THE PARKING IS THAT WAS A YARD BEFORE IT GRAVEL WENT DOWN, IT BECAME A PARKING LOT. MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS MAKING SURE, LIKE COLIN SAID, IF YOU ALL EVER DECIDE TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND SOMEONE WHO LOVES THE OLD HISTORIC HOME, THEY CAN HAVE THEIR YARD BACK. YEAH. YEAH. AND I THINK WE HAVE INTENTION 3000 TO 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF PAVING. AND THAT DOES TAKE UP THE BULK OF THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE YARD BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THOSE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, THOSE OUT BUILDINGS THAT TAKE UP A LARGE PORTION ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PAVING BASICALLY WHAT'S LEFT OF THE OPEN SPACE, UM, AROUND THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THEN THE WEST SIDE. THAT THAT'S A LOT OF PAVING. THAT'S A LOT OF HARD SURFACE. AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING IN A WALKWAY ALONG THAT NORTH SIDE, WHICH STILL, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE DOWN. I DON'T THINK YOU LIKE TO MOW GRASS. , I'M ONTO YOU. I'M YOU. BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE CAN PAVE IT. I JUST OKAY. WE'LL PUT MORE, UH, GRAVEL. I THINK IF, IF GRAVEL CAN BE UNDONE RELATIVELY EASILY. OKAY. AND I THINK THAT'S THE WAY. OKAY. NOW WILL WE PUT MORE GRAVEL ON IT? IF THE GRAVE IS AN ISSUE, YOU CAN ALWAYS PUT DOWN SOME CLOVER SEED OR THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T ROLL AS TALL. YEAH. WE, WE HAVE, I, WE [00:30:01] OFTEN CUT GRASSES THERE, BUT I KNOW AT TIMES WHEN I TRAVEL SOME, LIKE I TRAVEL SINCE JANUARY. UH, NOBODY'S AROUND THERE. I JUST RETURN IT TO THEM EARLY MORNING. SO IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. JUST THAT BECAUSE OF THAT SNOW PERIOD, IT'S NOT, DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. MM. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE THING. DOESN'T, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE THE INTENTION TO MAKE, UH, PAVING ON IT. BUT HOWEVER, HOW WE, UH, GET MORE, UH, GRAVEL TO MAKE IT, UH, LOOK GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. UM, SOMEBODY, WHAT CAN WE TAKE, CAN WE MAKE MOTIONS ON THESE AS WE GO? SURE. MM-HMM. . ANYBODY WANNA TAKE A CRACK AT THAT ONE? THIS IS REGARDING THE PARKING LOT. THIS IS IN, IN, FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A DRIVEWAY OFF PROSPECT STREET AND THE INSTALLATION OF A DRIVEWAY OFF BLUE RIDGE AVENUE. PLEASE. YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION TO DENY THE COA I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, DENY THE INSTALLATION OF A PAVED DRIVEWAY OFF PROSPECT STREET AND A PAVED DRIVEWAY OFF OF BLUERIDGE AVENUE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. THE NEXT ONE YOU WANNA DO IS THE RAILING THEN. 'CAUSE YOU GUYS DISCUSSED THAT BUT DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION. WELL, UM, THREE IS THE WALKWAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO THE WALKWAY, UM, UM, ON THAT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING DOWN THESE KIND OF BLUE STONE TABLES? YEAH. CORRECT. YES. JUST, JUST LIKE THIS? YES. CORRECT. CHEMICALS. GREAT. UM, AND HOW WIDE IS THAT GONNA BE, EVA? JUST, UM, JUST LIKE A FOOTPATH. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. NOT JUST, UH, SO THREE FEET, LIKE . OKAY. SIDEWALK. OKAY. WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE INSTALLATION OF A BLUE STONE WALKWAY LESS THAN THREE FEET WIDE. THREE FEET WIDE OR LESS BETWEEN PROSPECT DRIVE AND THE BLUE RIDGE DRIVE. WAY THREE CAN SAY THE FRONT PORCH ENTRANCES CONNECTING THE FRONT PORCH ENTRANCES RIGHT ON THE SIDE. MM-HMM. YEAH. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE INSTALLATION OF A BLUE STONE WALKWAY TO BE NO MORE THAN THREE FEET WIDE. THAT WOULD CONNECT THE SIDE ENTRY ON PROSPECT STREET TO THE FRONT ENTRY ON BLUE RIDGE. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. YEAH, THAT WAS GOOD. ALRIGHT. NOW WE'VE GOT THE HANDRAILS. YOU'VE GOT SOME HANDRAILS THERE. NOW THEY DON'T MATCH AT ALL. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY DO. SO I'M, I THINK WE'RE ALL OKAY WITH HANDRAILS BEING THERE. YEAH. THEY JUST NEED TO MATCH THE RAILINGS THAT ARE ON THE PORCH. OKAY. NOT IN JUST IN COLOR, BUT IN AESTHETIC. IN COLOR. YEAH. SO AND THE MATERIAL. YEAH, THE MATERIAL. THAT'S THE MAIN THING. DO YOU WANNA MOVE TO DENY THIS REQUEST BUT MAKE SURE YOU STIPULATE THAT. UM, THE NEW HANDRAILS NEED TO BE CONSTRUCTED LIKE FOR LIKE, THEN I CAN APPROVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE WORKING TO DO WELL IS THIS JUST A REQUEST TO ADD THE HANDRAILS THOUGH? JUST HAND. SO WHY WOULD WE DENY THAT IF WE'RE GONNA APPROVE IT? YEAH. BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS START. ALL RIGHT, WELL THEN IF IT'S JUST TO ADD THE HANDRAILS THEN WITH OUR CONDITIONS YEAH. CONDITIONS AND I WOULD ADVISE YOU BEFORE YOU PUT THE HANDRAILS UP TO TALK TO WHOEVER THE POWER THAT BE THERE ABOUT THE, UH, RAMP. SO IT MIGHT NOT FIT THE CODE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A DA COMPLIANT AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, YOU, WHEN YOU GIVE YOU TO GO TO THE COUNTY AND TALK TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THEY'LL TELL YOU THE SLOPE OF IT. BECAUSE TYPICALLY WITH AADA A REQUIREMENTS, THE SLOPE CAN'T BE STEEPER THAN 2%. THAT IS DEFINITELY STEEPER THAN A 2% SLOPE. YOU MEAN THE UM, YEAH, SO YOU NEED A LONGER RUN. SO LONGER RUN YOU NEED IT HAS TO BE ONE IN 12. YEAH. OKAY. SO VOLUME BEFORE YOU WASTE MONEY ON THE HANDRAILS, GET FIND OUT SLOPE ON THAT. THREE FOR THREE . I WILL TRY. HERE WE GO. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR HANDRAILS, UH, FROM THE ON THE PROSPECT STREET ENTRANCE AND THE BLUE [00:35:01] RIDGE AVENUE ENTRANCE. UH, IN KEEPING WITH LIKE, FOR LIKE MATERIALS, LIKE WHAT'S ON THE FRONT PORCH? UM, SAME COLOR, SAME AESTHETIC, SAME STYLE, SAME MATERIAL. SO BACK TO WOOD. YEAH. WITH AN INSPECTION. YEAH. BY STAFF. DO WE WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT? YES. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. THAT'S ALL THE WE HAVE ON OUR LIST. THANK YOU. SO WE'VE GOT NO PAVING. BLUE STONE WALKWAY IS GOOD TO GO AND THE HANDRAILS ARE GOOD TO GO. BUT THAT MATCH THAT ARE ON THE BOARD. SO, BUT HOW WE PUT THE, UH, THE DRIVEWAY BUT MORE, UM, GRAVEL THAT WAS, YOU CAN PUT MORE GRAVEL DOWN, BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO COME TO US. DO THAT. OKAY. ALL THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEP. THANKS FOR COMING DOWN. THAT'S ALREADY PROBLEM. OKAY. I THOUGHT THE PHONE WAS GONNA BE OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE RECALL. OKAY. OKAY. . YES. BUT CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION WHILE WE'RE STILL IN THE FORMAL MEETING? YES. THIS IS FOR MY OWN INFORMATION SINCE I'M STILL NEW. WHY WERE WE NOT ASKED TO REVIEW THE NUMBER 11 THAT SAYS CHANGING THE WINDOWS? OR WHY WERE WE NOT ASKED TO REVIEW? SO NONE TO CLOSE THE UNDERNEATH OF THE HOUSE. SO CLOSING THE END UNDERNEATH OF THE HOUSE. THAT SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN, THOSE ARE JUST VENTS. AND WHAT HE DESCRIBED WAS THAT HE WAS JUST GONNA PUT THE ROCKS, LIKE PUT NEW FOUNDATION ROCKS THAT ARE MATCHED WHAT HE'S GOT THERE NOW. SO IT'S A LIKE FOR LIKE THING THAT THERE'S JUST AN OPENING AND HE'S JUST CLOSING IT UP. I CAN APPROVE THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY. OKAY. AND THEN CHANGING THE WINDOWS THAT HAVE, HE JUST TOLD ME THEY WERE JUST TAKING OUT THE WINDOW SHAKERS, THAT IT WAS JUST REMOVING THE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE HE MOVED IN AND NOT REMOVING OR OH, THE WINDOW UNITS WINDOWS. YEAH. HE'S JUST TAKING OUT WINDOW UNITS. OKAY. IF HE DOES ANYTHING. UM, THERE. YEAH, JUST NO, THAT'S HELPFUL. I JUST NEEDED TO KNOW WHY WE WEREN'T REVIEWING THOSE THINGS. TO ME, SOME THINGS CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVE. YEAH. YES, I KNOW THAT. BUT IN HIS OWN WORDS, THAT DID NOT SEEM ADMINISTRATIVE TO ME, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS QUESTIONING YOU. OKAY. AND REGARDLESS IF HE DOES STUFF, I MEAN WE, WE APPROVE SPECIFIC THINGS. WE AGREE TO DENIED SPECIFICALLY. SO IF HE GOES BEYOND THAT, WHAT WE JUST DID HERE TONIGHT, HE'S IN SOME KIND OF VIOLATION. HE'S IN VIOLATION. SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S ON HIS LIST, WE DIDN'T ADDRESS IT. SO YEAH. IT'S JUST SOMETIMES HARD TO UNDO. YEAH. AND HE'S ALREADY DONE A LOT. I MEAN, HE ALREADY CHOPPED DOWN LIKE WHEN HE FIRST MOVED IN THAT WHOLE SIDE WHERE HE'S PUT GRAVEL DOWN ALREADY. CORRECT. HARASSED. IT WAS A GORGEOUS YARD. HE THREW THE GRAVEL DOWN THERE. IT WASN'T LIKE THAT WHEN HE MOVED IN. HE CREATED HIS OWN PARKING SPACE. LET'S WRAP UP OUR OFFICIAL MEETING. UM, ANY OTHER BUSINESS? OLD BUSINESS? NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT, WELL LET'S, UH, PLAN, SAY I DO IT, MOVE TO ADJOURN AND THEN WE GO, I MOVE TO ADJOURN. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL THE PAPER. AYE, AYE. OKAY. LET ME CUT EVERYTHING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.