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YOU CAN TALK TO US.READY FOR ME TO START? I'M READY.
[ Planning and Zoning Work Session on April 3, 2024.]
ALRIGHT.I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING ON THE FRONT ROW PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, FOR A WORK SESSION WEDNESDAY, APRIL THE THIRD, 2024.
ALRIGHT, WHEN YOU'RE READY, WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. HE IS OUT TONIGHT.
IF IT GETS TOO BAD, I'LL LEAVE.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM.
OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPLICATION 2 4 0 0 1 9 3.
THAT IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL LOCATED AT 1400 OLD WINCHESTER PI.
UH, SHOWING THERE ON THE DIAGRAM.
UH, LOCATED THERE RIGHT ACROSS FROM ON THE TRACKS THERE AT THE END.
UH, THE REQUEST IS FOR A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL OF A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING FOR FOUR BEDROOMS, SEVEN PEOPLE NOT WORKING.
ARE YOU HITTING THE TOP BUTTON? NO, THERE'S A LOT THERE.
BUT ONCE YOU PUSH AT, IF YOU CAN'T MOVE THESE SLIDES FORWARD, ONCE YOU PUSH THAT HIGHLIGHT OH REALLY? FOR SOME REASON YOU HAVE TO EXIT, LIKE EXIT OUT THE POWERPOINT OR THE PRESENTATION ON THE COMPUTER.
WHEN YOU GO BACK IN, YOU CAN USE THE CLICKER TECHNOLOGY.
IT'S A CENTRAL, UH, THAT'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE HOME FROM STREET VIEW.
AND ANOTHER SHOT OF THE HOUSE.
UH, THE SITE INSPECTION WAS CONDUCTED ON MARCH 27TH AND WAS FOUND IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF THE APPLICATION.
OFF STREET PARKING IS AVAILABLE IN THE DRIVEWAY TO ACCOMMODATE FOUR VEHICLES.
UH, SO IT'S A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL, FOUR BEDROOMS FOR SEVEN PEOPLE MAX.
UH, YOU'LL HAVE A PACKET WITH THE APPLICATION, THE MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND A SURVEY PLAT OF THE PROPERTY.
IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OTHER THAT STAFF CANNOT ANSWER, CAN YOU GO BACK FOR A MOMENT PLEASE? MAYBE BACK ONE MORE.
SO IN DRIVING BY THE PROPERTY, UH, JOHN THE DRIVEWAY TO THE RIGHT HAS A, WELL, THE DRIVEWAY CONTINUES ON WHAT LOOKS TO BE A BUILT UP AREA THERE.
UM, DID YOU DO THE INSPECTION? ARE YOU YES.
FAMILIAR WITH WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? MM-HMM.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN THIS AREA HERE? YES.
YEAH, THEY HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A RETAINING WALL THERE.
IT LOOKED LIKE IT IS DETERIORATED OVER THE YEARS.
UM, SO THEY CAN BIT, LOOKS LIKE AT LEAST TWO OR THREE CARS IN THIS AREA AND THEN ANOTHER CAR THERE.
UM, AND I REALLY QUESTIONED THE, THE LOCATION OF IT REALLY IS THE STREET WIDE ENOUGH TO ON THE STREET PARKING.
BUT I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE MAINTAINING IT, BUT WE'RE REALLY NOT MAINTAINING IT'S SOME HOLES.
SO THEY HAVE THAT, THEY HAVE THIS HERE IN THE CAR, UH, THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE LIKE THREE VEHICLES HERE THAN THAT EXTRA PAVING AREA THERE, IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
YOU CONCERNED ABOUT VEHICLES GOING DOWN TOWARD THE RIVER? I'M ASSUMING IT WAS NOT.
THOUGHT IF THE RETAINING WALL COLLAPSED, IT LOOKED LIKE IT'S BEEN THERE QUITE A WHILE.
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MM-HMM.IF A DRIVER WAS UNFAMILIAR OR PULL IT UP AT NIGHT, COULD THEY PULL OFF OF IT? I, I DON'T, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE LIABLE FOR THAT, ARE WE? NO, NO.
I MEAN, BY APPRO IT AS IS I, THAT'S REALLY MY QUESTION.
IS THAT AN ACTUAL ROAD THERE COMING IN? I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP HERE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IS THAT WHERE THE RAILROAD IS? IS THAT A ROAD CROSSING THERE? QUEENS HIGHWAY.
SO THAT QUEENS HIGHWAY GOES RIGHT THERE.
AND IT DOES HAVE A, SO IT IS A GRADE CROSSING? YES.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE TRAIL THAT RUNS TO BROADWAY, VIRGINIA, THAT THEY WANT TO CONVERT.
QUEEN HIGH HIGHWAY STARTS RIGHT OPPOSITE THE HOUSE HERE OR WINCHESTER PIKE THERE.
RIGHT AT YOUR HOUSE IS QUEENS HIGHWAY THAT WAY.
WINCHESTER PIKE QUEEN HIGHWAY.
I, WE LET THAT STAND AFTER 1776.
I DON'T THINK THAT TRACK HAS BEEN ACTIVE SINCE THE EIGHTIES.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? NO.
APPLICATION 2 4 0 0 1 9 4 SHORT STREET PROPERTIES.
LLC REQUEST FOR AN SUP SHORT TERM, OR, I'M SORRY, SPECIAL USE PERMIT AT FIVE 19 SHORT STREET.
THAT APPLICATION, UH, 24 0 0 1 94, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THAT'S TO ALLOW GROUND FLOOR DWELLING UNIT FIVE 19 SHORT STREET THAT'S IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 2088 DASH 19 DASH SIX LOTS, NINE AND 10.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE C ONE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT.
UH, THE HOUSE THAT, THAT HAS BEEN DAMAGED BY FIRE IN THE PAST FOR SEVERAL YEARS, IT'S REMAINED VACANT.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL HOME IN THE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT C ONE, UH, TOWN CODE 1 75, 1 26.
IF A LEGALLY NONCONFORMING USE IS DISCONTINUED FOR A PERIOD EXCEEDING TWO YEARS AFTER THE ENACTMENT OF THIS CHAPTER, IT SHALL BE DEEMED ABANDONED AND ANY USE THEREAFTER SHALL CONFORM TO THE USE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS CHAPTER.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE HAD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE, UH, COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, UH, INTERIOR, UH, FIRE DAMAGE, UH, TO THE STRUCTURE.
UH, THE STRUCTURE WAS BOARDED UP AND THE USE HAS BEEN DISCONTINUED.
UH, SO THAT'S IN THE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT.
SO 1 75 39 B OF POUND CODE FOR RESIDENTIAL.
THE FOLLOWING USES ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THE C ONE DISTRICT ONLY BY APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, APARTMENTS OR DWELLING UNITS WITH FOUR MORE, OR WERE LOCATED ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO HAVE, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL USE REESTABLISHED.
ESSENTIALLY, UH, WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
OFF STREET PARKING IS AVAILABLE IN THE PAVED DRIVEWAY AND THERE'S A LARGE GRAVEL PARKING AREA AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
SO, UH, ON THE PLAT HERE, SHORT STREET, THERE'S THE STRUCTURE, A PAVED DRIVEWAY COMES IN AND A LARGE GRAVEL AREA TO PARK BACK THERE.
SO THEY HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING, UH, REQUIRED FOR A DWELLING, UH, FOR TWO PARKING SPACES, SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR THIS, UH, STRUCTURE OFF STREET.
UH, THERE'S A FLOOR PLAN WILL BE IN YOUR, A PART OF YOUR APPLICATION TO SHOW THAT THE RENOVATIONS ARE GONNA DO TO THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
UH, FIRST THEY THOUGHT THEY'D, UH, JUST DO RESIDENTIAL IN THE TOP FLOOR, MAYBE AN OFFICE ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR.
UH, BUT THEY HAVE DECIDED TO, UH, REESTABLISH THE USE.
HUNDRED PERCENT RESIDENTIAL IS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WHAT'S THE STORY ON THE GIANT SHED AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY? THAT'S A GARAGE OR, UH, SOMETHING THERE IN THE BACK.
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THERE'S A GARAGE HERE AND I THINK MAYBE THE SAME PEOPLE, THEY LEASE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE ON THE OTHER LOT.BECAUSE WHEN I DROVE BY THERE, THERE WERE LIKE THREE TRUCKS AND EIGHT VEHICLES RIGHT IN THAT SPACE.
UH, THIS PLACE HERE, UH, DOES HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE TO OPERATE IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
SO THE APPLICANT'S ASKING FOR SPECIAL USE, SO IT CAN BE USED RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
WHAT HAPPENS SINCE IT'S ALL ONE LOT, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE GARAGE? CAN THE GARAGE STILL BE USED AS COMMERCIAL? YOUR WANTING THE, SORRY, THE GARAGE WOULD BE AN ACCESSORY USE.
CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE, I I THEY WANNA HAVE AN ACCESSORY USE THAT'S COMMERCIAL IN NATURE.
OR IF THEY WANNA, THE NEIGHBOR WHO HAS THERE IS A BUSINESS NOW.
THE BUSINESS NEXT DOOR, RIGHT? YEAH.
THIS NEXT DOOR IS USING THEIR GARAGE.
BUT I KNEW SOMEBODY OR SOMETHING WAS OCCUPIED IT BY THE, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER MARSHALL BY THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES AND RACE CAR AND EVERYTHING BACK THERE.
UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? UH, NO.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M, I'M THINKING IF I GO AND RENT THIS, THEY RENOVATE IT.
I'M GONNA RENT IT AND THEN I FIND I HAVE A WORKING GARAGE IN MY BACKYARD.
THE PROSPECTIVE RENTER WOULD SAY WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE BACKYARD.
BUT THEY'RE, ARE THEY PLANNING TO OWNER OCCUPIED OR ARE THEY PLANNING TO TURN IT INTO AN STR? THAT'S NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION.
THEY'RE JUST ASKING TO RENOVATE AT THIS POINT.
THEY COULD DO OFFICE SPACE THERE, BUT THE INITIAL RENOVATION OF THE FLOOR PLAN SHOWING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT BACK TO RESIDENTIAL.
AND THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET IS RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S MAINLY RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S, IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL USES, BUT IT IS
SO, AND BEING A RESIDENTIAL WOULD CERTAINLY FIT IN.
SO ONCE IT WAS VACANT OR STOPPED OR CEASED BEING IN A RESIDENTIAL USE FOR TWO YEARS THAT IT TO THAT LEGALLY NONCONFORMING.
SO NOW THEY HAVE TO EITHER DO SOME TYPE OF COMMERCIAL USE THERE OR GET THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO PUT IT BACK TO RESIDENTIAL.
SO THEY'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT REBUILDING THE HOUSE.
THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE PROPERTY LINE HERE GOES THROUGH A THIRD OF THE GARAGE.
UM, I MEAN THAT'S MY, I'LL BE FRANK, THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WHAT ULTIMATELY IS THE USE OF THE GARAGE.
IS IT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A BUSINESS IN THE BACK? WELL THE, THE BUSINESS HAS A CURRENT BUSINESS LICENSE TO OPERATE.
WE, THE WHITE BUILDING ON THE RIGHT TO THE RIGHT OF THE, THE BUSINESS IS TO THE RIGHT AS WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.
IT'S THE PARKING LOT UP THERE.
AND THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT ARE THEY OPERATING THAT GARAGE? IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? YEAH.
THAT THEY'RE OPERATING THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE PARKING AREA.
I CAN'T READ THE NUMBERS FROM HERE, BUT THAT WHITE ROOFTOP RIGHT.
BUT INSIDE THE RED LINE IS THE MAJORITY OF, OF THE GARAGE.
SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT CONTINUED TO OPERATE AS A COMMERCIAL ENTITY ON THE SAME LOT AS THE RESIDENCE
WELL THE, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEY PLAT, UM, THE COUNTY GIS IS NOT QUITE 100% ACCURATE TOO.
SO, UH, JUST A SMALL PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE.
I THINK LESS THAN FIVE FOOT ENCROACHES ACROSS OF.
BUT UM, AT THIS POINT I THINK IT'S OWNED BY THE SAME INDIVIDUAL OR COMPANY.
I MEAN THAT'S MY CONCERN, CHAIRMAN, THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE USE IS AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PROHIBIT IT OR NOT.
THE SAME PARTY THEN HARMONY AND I REALLY DIDN'T GET OUT AND WALK THE PROPERTY.
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TO THE GARAGE FROM THE BIG WHITE BUILDING? JOHN, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT TOWN PROPERTY IS THERE EGRESS FROM THE BUSINESS TO THE RIGHT, THE BIG WHITE BUILDING? MM-HMM.THERE IS MEANS PERHAPS THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO USE THE, UH, THE DRIVEWAY TO ACCESS THE GARAGE.
ACCESS NOW IS IS FROM THIS SPOT HERE? YEAH.
ACCESS NOW TO THE GARAGE IS HERE.
THEY, THEY DON'T, OKAY, I SEE THAT NOW.
I SEE THEY COME IN THIS DIRECTION.
ALL THREE PRO ALL THREE BUILDINGS ARE OWNED BY THE SAME ENTITY.
AND THEY DID AT ONE TIME AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT EX IS A THEY STILL ARE.
SO I'M SEEING THREE DIFFERENT NUMBERS.
IS THAT THREE SEPARATE ADDRESSES? MM-HMM.
THIS BUSINESS HAS A A, AN ADDRESS.
THIS GARAGE THAT DOES SO FOR THAT LOT IT IS OWNED C ONE.
SO THAT ENCOMPASSES BOTH STRUCTURES? YES.
AND THERE IT IS REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SPECIFICALLY FOR THE FIRST STRUCTURE ONLY.
THIS, THIS, THEY HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE.
EVERYTHING WAS APPROVED FOR DISPATCH 21 ADDRESS.
AND IT USED TO BE RESIDENTIAL, THEY JUST HAVE TO REESTABLISH BECAUSE IT'S BEEN BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A, A PERIOD OF TIME.
ALRIGHT, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THIS IS ALRIGHT.
EDWIN S WRIGHT, SUP FOR GROUND FLOOR DRAWING UNIT FIVE 14 SOUTH FLOOR AVENUE.
SO, UH, BASICALLY THE SAME PRINCIPLE, UH, APPLICATION 24 0 0 1 99 S FOR FIVE 14 SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE TAX MAP 20 A SEVEN DASH NINE DASH B LOTS, 11 A 12 AND 13.
IT'S IN THE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT C ONE, AGAIN A DISCONTINUANCE OF THE USE.
UH, AS STATED EARLIER, LEGALLY NONCONFORMING USE IS DISCONTINUED FOR A PERIOD OF SEATING.
UH, THE USE SHALL BE DEEMED ABANDONED.
UH, 1 75 39 D FOR RESIDENTIAL DOES ALLOW, USES TO BE PERMITTED IN THE C ONE WITH SPECIAL USE PERMIT APARTMENTS OR DWELLING UNITS WITH FOUR MORE OR WHERE LOCATED ON THE GROUND FLOOR, OFF STREET PARKING IS AVAILABLE IN THE DRIVEWAY IN FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE ONE VEHICLE.
UH, THIS IS THE OLD, UH, THE BRICK HOME RIGHT THERE ON UH, SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE.
PARKING IS AVAILABLE HERE PRESENTLY.
THEY'D LIKE TO REESTABLISH THAT USE.
UH, THERE IS A SHOT OF THE BACK OF THE LOT, I THINK OFF OF UH, PROMPTER STREET, BELIEVE YOU.
AND THIS IS TO REESTABLISHES A SINGLE FAMILY HOME GROUND FLOOR DWELLING UNIT.
PROCTOR GROUND FLOOR DWELLING UNIT.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE UPPER FLOOR? SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THAT.
THOSE, THOSE ARE ALLOWED FOR, FOR LOCATED ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
SO IN THE C ONE YOU CAN HAVE A BUSINESS ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR AND RESIDENTIAL ON THE TOP FLOOR.
AND THIS IS SEEKING TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL ON THE FLOOR.
THIS IS SEEKING WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO HAVE A DWELLING UNIT ON THE BOTTOM.
THEY CAN DO IT ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
IF THEY CHOOSE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN HAVE A BUSINESS C ONE IS SET UP FOR A BUSINESS COULD BE LOCATED ON THE GROUND, RESIDENTIAL ABOVE.
THEY'RE SEEKING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL ESTABLISHED ON THE BOTTOM.
AND THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT BY RIGHT ON THE UPPER FLOOR.
COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL IN THE BASEMENT AS WELL.
I THOUGHT I SAW SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S PLANS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
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YEAH, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.THAT THERE WAS LIKE AN A AND B OR SOMETHING.
SO I THINK WHAT CONFUSED ME WHEN I SAW THE UNIT A, THEY HAVE THE WORD SECOND FLOOR, WHICH IN LOOKING AT THE HOUSE, I THINK THE SECOND FLOOR IS, BUT MAYBE THAT'S THE FIRST FLOOR.
WE HAVE A GROUND FLOOR, UM, THE SECOND FLOOR IN A BASEMENT.
AND THE PLANS, THERE'S GROUND FLOOR UNIT, A GROUND FOUR UNIT, A SECOND FLOOR AND UNIT B BASED.
THAT'S THE ONE WITH FACE ON PROCTOR LANE DOWN HERE.
THE ENTRY IN THE BASEMENT IS FROM PROCTOR LANE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO YOU MENTIONED THE PARKING OUT FRONT, WHICH YOU SHOWED US IS, UH, ROOM FOR YOU SAY ONE CAR PROBABLY, UH, PARALLEL, RIGHT.
THERE'S ANOTHER, UH, NEXT APPLICATION IS FOR FIVE 12.
JUST LIKE THERE'S SHARED, UH, TWO PARKING SPACES BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES.
THAT'S WHAT THEY PRESENTLY HAVE.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.
I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING.
SO IS THE APPLICANT HERE AND WE MAY WE ASK THEM QUESTIONS OR NOT? THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF THE CHAIR WOULD WISH TO RECOGNIZE THEY DO HAVE ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR THE, UH, OKAY.
NEXT, UH, IF YOU WANT WAIT OR YOU CAN ADDRESS IT WITH THIS ONE.
NO, WE'LL WAIT AND GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE AND THEN WE'LL WE'D QUESTION ABOUT BOTH.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY? OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON.
UH, ESSENTIALLY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THAT'S THE UH, FLOOR PLAN FOR THE, UH, THE BRICK BUILDING THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET.
THERE'S A SURVEY PLAT OF THAT FIVE 12 HERE OR 5 14, 512 PROCTOR LANE HERE ON THE REAR IN SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE WITH THE STREET ADDRESSES.
UH, AGAIN, A DISCONTINUANCE OF ILLEGALLY NON-CONFORMING USE.
UH, CAN BE RE-ESTABLISHED WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THERE'S THE LOT THAT SETS ON THE CORNER HERE.
THERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE OVERVIEW OF THE PARKING, UH, WITH TWO, TWO PARKING SPACES, IT LOOKED LIKE, UH, ONE FOR EACH LOT.
THAT'S THE GRAY BUILDING THAT'S BEEN RENOVATED.
UH, THEY DID OBTAIN ALL THE NECESSARY ZONING AND BUILDING PERMITS FOR THIS.
SO THEY RENOVATED THAT STRUCTURE.
THAT'S THE STREET VIEW AND THE REAR OFF A TER LANE.
UH, THIS ONE IS FOR THE, UH, SOUTH ROYAL.
PROCTOR LANE WOULD BE HERE OFFERING.
UH, AND THEY DO MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DWELLING UNITS FOR EACH ONE.
THAT'S FIVE 12 WITH THE GRAY BUILDING AGAIN.
FIVE 14 THE BRICK BUILDING SIDE BY SIDE.
AND YOU'VE DONE YOUR INSPECTION ON BOTH PROPERTIES? UH, THERE WE DON'T REQUIRE ANY INSPECTION.
THOSE ARE NOT SHORT TERM RENTAL INSPECTIONS.
WHEN YOU CHANGE THE USE IT REVERTS TO THE CURRENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
AND CAN YOU REFRESH OUR MEMORY? WHAT IS WOULD BE THE TWO PER DWELLING UNIT? RESIDENTIAL.
AND WHAT'S THE BACK OF FIVE 12? LIKE IS THAT FLAT OR? I THINK HE HAD A PICTURE OF IT.
THERE CAN THAT BE ACCESSED FROM PROCTOR LANE? THAT CAN BE ACCESSED FROM PROCTOR LANE.
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PROCTOR.YEAH, THIS IS PROCTOR LANE HERE.
THAT'S THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, WE CAN GO BACK TO THE BACK A BIT HERE.
SO THE, THE GRAY BUILDING WOULD BE HERE.
AND THIS IS ON PROCTOR LANE THERE.
MR. WHERE MAY I CHIME IN OR SHOULD I WAIT UNTIL I ANSWER? DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE THE APPLICANT SPEAK? NO, YOU CAN COME UP THERE SPEAK.
YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE.
UM, PUT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ON THE SIGNUP SEAT.
ANY QUESTIONS YOU GOT? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT SAY THANK YOU FOR CLEANING UP THIS BLIGHTED AREA.
I MEAN THIS HOLY AREA LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER.
I MEAN, UH, WELCOME TO OUR TOWN.
BUT YOU'VE DONE A VERY, VERY NICE JOB.
I WOULD LOVE TO PUT IN THE APPLICATION SOME OF THE PICTURES OF HOW IT WAS WHEN WE BOUGHT IT THREE YEARS AGO.
BUT YOU GUYS ALL KNOW, DO YOU HAVE PLANS TO DO ANYTHING IN THE BACK TO PROVIDE PARKING? YES.
UM, SO IF YOU, I THINK THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING, TWO PARKING SPACES FOR DWELLING UNIT ALONG THE FRONT THERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE SPOTS FOR TWO TO SHARE.
UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A SURVEYOR AND OUR, UM, ARCHITECT TO DO A, UM, A SITE PLAN FOR, IF YOU HAVE NINE BY 18 PARKING SPOTS, WE COULD FIT FOUR ALONG THE FRONT THERE IN THE OLD PARKING AREA THAT FACES ROYAL.
BUT IN THE BACKYARD OF BOTH THESE BUILDINGS WE'RE PREVIOUSLY GRAVELED IN, THEY NOW HAVE GRASS GROWING OVER THEM 'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN DISUSED FOR SO LONG.
BUT BOTH OF THESE, LIKE THIS WAS A CONCRETE PAD WITH A STORAGE THING ON IT.
UM, AND YOU CAN DRIVE IN HERE.
THIS AREA WAS PREVIOUSLY GRAVELED IN AND PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE BACK OF THE LITTLE GRAY BUILDING WITH PREVIOUSLY GRAVELED IN.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ADD ADDITIONAL GRAVEL TO THAT.
THE PLAN IS TO ACTUALLY, IS TO PUT GRAVEL BACK IN THERE.
UM, TALK TO A PAVING COMPANY ABOUT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR DOING IT.
I THINK GRAVEL ON TOP OF THE OLD GRAVEL, THERE'S PLENTY OF DRAINAGE THERE AND A STORM SEWER, UM, IN, AT THE EDGE OF THE STREET.
SO WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT RUNOFF OR WATER COLLECTING THERE.
UM, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ADD, UH, GRAVEL BACK TO THOSE OLD PARKING AREAS TO MAKE THEM MORE OBVIOUSLY PARKING THAN THERE ARE NOW.
UH, THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE BACK THERE.
I, I'M HAPPY TO EMAIL TO MR. WARE, UM, FOR ALL OF YOU, THE SITE PLAN SHOWING HOW THOSE NINE BY 18 SPOTS COULD BE LAID OUT, UM, IF THAT'S IMPORTANT.
BUT, UH, YES, THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE FOR PARKING AND OUR INTENTION IS TO RE GRAVEL AS THE LAST STEP.
RE GRAVEL THE OLD, UH, PARKING AREA AND BACKS.
WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO PARKING SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT AND STAFF THAT WOULD MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL THOUGH, IF YOU DID SHOW LIKE A CONCEPTUAL PARKING AREA.
AT LEAST FOR ESPECIALLY WHEN IT GOES TO COUNSEL.
BUT I CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THEIR PACKET.
AND YOU CAN MAKE THAT CONDITION ON THE BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE.
I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT BUILDING UNTIL HE HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO US.
SO ALL IN ALL, HOW MANY, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES, MR. WRIGHT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE HOPING TO HAVE THREE IN THE BRICK HOUSE AND TWO IN THE AGREE.
TWO DWELLING UNITS IN THE BRICK HOUSE AND TWO IN THE GRAY BUILDING.
UM, THE, I THINK THE, THE CONFUSING POINT OF THE FLOOR PLANS IS THAT IT'S LABELED SECOND FLOOR AND GROUND FLOOR.
SINCE YOU ENTER THE DWELLING UNIT ON WHAT IS THE GROUND FLOOR FROM ROW, THE UPSTAIRS COULD BE USED AS RESIDENTIAL SEPARATE.
IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL USE AND WE JUST BUILT, WE COULD BUILD OUT THE ATRIUM THERE TO HAVE A DOOR TO GO UP TO RESIDENTIAL.
BUT THIS IS, WOULD LET US USE THE, WHAT IS THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE OLD HOUSE.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? NO.
THANK WE BELONG TO APPLICATION 2 4 0 0 2 0 1, WHICH IS A REQUEST FOR AN SUP FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 3 3 1 CLEARFIELD AVENUE.
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SO APPLICATION 24 0 0 2 0 1, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SHORT TERM RENTAL, 3 31 KER FOOT, UM, IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP NUMBER 28 6 DASH SEVEN DASH NINE LOTS ONE AND TWO.IT IS IN THE R ONE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL OF THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING FOR FOUR BEDROOMS AND EIGHT PEOPLE OFF STREET.
UH, THERE'S A CORNER, A SHOT OF THE CORNER OF HOUSE THAT'S ON THE CORNER.
UH, THERE'S A SHOT OF THE PARKING AREA.
THE OFF THE OFF STREET PARKING IS AVAILABLE IN THE DRIVEWAY TO ACCOMMODATE TWO VEHICLES.
UH, SITE INSPECTION HAS NOT BEEN CONDUCTED AT THIS TIME.
WE HAVEN'T THEN BEEN ABLE TO SET UP A TIME TO DO THE INSPECTION.
UH, YOU HAVE A, WITH THE APPLICATION THERE'S A, A MANAGEMENT PLAN AND A SKETCH DRAWING OF THE PLAT OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S THE OLD PLAT THAT, UH, WAS SUBMITTED AND HE DIDN'T ORDER YOUR PACKET.
HIS, UH, SHOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL OF A SKETCH OF THE PROPERTY.
FOUR BEDROOMS, EIGHT PEOPLE, TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.
AND WHAT IS OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR? SHORT TERM RENTAL? MM-HMM.
TOTAL DEDICATION TO CHILDREN'S PLAY PAYS.
I'M THINKING MAYBE THEY'RE THINKING THEY'LL HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T DRIVE, BUT I GUESS THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE FOR THE CODE.
DOES IT? AGAIN, OFF HERE, WE'RE GONNA, AS WE GO DOWN THE ROAD, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT OUR ORATES REQUIRES REQUEST.
THEY DO HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE OUT THERE.
IT'S NOT ONLY FOR THEIR, UH, PRIVACY, BUT IT ALSO HELPS WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S IDEAL FOR VERY WELL KEPT, VERY WELL KEPT, VERY WELL KEPT AND VERY WELL DESIGNED AND EVERYTHING FOR, FOR THE PURPOSE PARKING.
THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO INSPECT BEFORE THE MEETING? UH, I HOPE TO, YES.
TO AR ARRANGE WITH THE PROPERTY AND TO DO AN INSPECTION.
THE PREVIOUS ONE, SHORT TERM RENTAL.
THEY WAS VERY ACCOMMODATING IF YOU LOOKED AT THE MANAGEMENT PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MANAGEMENT PLAN ON THE VERY FIRST ONE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE.
SO YOU MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS.
I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN IN ORDER IN THE PRESENTATION.
SO, UH, YOU HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY.
SO WE WILL TACKLE THE FIRST ONE, UH, WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING FOR.
THAT'S AT 10 SOUTH COMMERCE AVENUE.
THE BAYMONT, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, UH, HOTEL, UH, IS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO CONVERT THE THREE STORY MOTEL INTO A 39 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING THAT'S LOCATED AT 10 SOUTH COMMERCE AVENUE, IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 20 A 8 22 DASH SIX.
IT IS ZONED IN THE C ONE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT.
UH, SO OUR CODE 1 75 39 B FOR RESIDENTIAL.
THE FOLLOWING USES ARE PERMITTED WITH THE, WITHIN THE C ONE DISTRICT ONLY BY APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, APARTMENTS OR DWELLING UNITS WITH FOUR OR MORE UNITS.
WERE LOCATED ON THE GROUND FLOOR SUBJECT TO PROVISIONS OF SECTION 1 7 5 1 13.
AND THOSE ARE APARTMENTS 1 7 5 1 13.
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TOWN CODE ARE APARTMENTS CURRENTLY, UH, OFF STREET PARKING IS AVAILABLE IN THE PROVIDED PARKING LOT ON THE PROPERTY.SO THERE'S A VIEW OF THE, UH, ONE PART OF THE CURRENTLY OF THE, THE BAYMONT, UH, THE REAR PART OF THAT.
UH, SO THEY'RE WANTING TO CONVERT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THE ROOMS OF THE HOTEL INTO APARTMENTS.
UH, IF YOU, YOU LOOKED AT YOUR PACKET, THERE'S, THERE'S THREE STORIES.
EACH FLOOR WOULD BE CONVERTED, UH, ESSENTIALLY 13 APARTMENTS PER FLOOR, UH, MOTELS AND HOTELS.
REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING FOR THAT IS ONE PARKING SPACES PER ROOM AND ONE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY 10 ROOMS. SO THEY HAVE THE ADEQUATE PARKING OR THE MOTEL HOTEL USE.
UH, SO THERE'S THREE FLOORS, UH, THAT THEY'D LIKE TO RENOVATE.
I THINK CURRENTLY THEY HAVE, UH, I WROTE THIS DOWN HERE FOR US, 34 ROOMS, I BELIEVE PER FLOOR ON THE HOTEL END OF IT.
SO THEY WANT TO CONVERT, UH, THAT INTO A 39 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX.
THAT'S WHAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS FOR.
IS THAT SIGNIFICANCE OF THE COLOR CODING ON THAT MAP? UH, DIFFERENT TYPE OF ROOMS THAT THEY'RE USING OR HAVE THEY HAVE ONE BEDROOM AND SOME TWO BEDROOM, UH, UNITS THERE? WELL, THAT'S THE CURRENT HOTEL USAGE.
UH, NO, NO, THIS WHAT THEY PROPOSED THIS.
SO THEY HAVE DIFFERENT, UH, THINGS ON, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR PACKET, THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ROOMS AVAILABLE FOR THE INTENDED, UH, RESIDENCE FOR APARTMENTS.
SO THE PINK IS THE ONE BEDROOM AND THEN THE BLUE IS ONE BEDROOM WITH A DEN.
YELLOW IS TWO BEDROOM PLAN ONE, AND THEN ONE IS TWO BEDROOM.
AND THE GREEN ARE THE COMMON AREAS.
SO ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, STAFF HAS TALKED TO THE APPLICANT, UH, THERE, UH, NOW OBVIOUSLY THE RENOVATION PART, ALL THAT WOULD BE, UH, SUBJECTED WITH ZONING APPROVAL.
THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD APPROVE THE PERMIT FOR INTERIOR RENOVATIONS.
UH, THE TOWN HAS NO PART OF THAT, JUST IN THE USE OF THAT.
AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT THE PARKING PLUS THE SPACES WHICH, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH ROOMS. AND THEY'RE WELL ABOVE WHAT WE REQUIRE OF A TOWN CODE.
UH, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, THE INTENDED, UH, USE, UH, FOR THESE OR FOR IS FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.
UH, FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT DO WORK HERE IN TOWN AND UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO COMMUTE OUT OF TOWN, UH, TO LIVE, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING AT, UM, ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THOSE IN THE MEDICAL FIELD, NURSES, LPNS, THOSE THAT WORK, THE HOSPITALS MAYBE, UH, SCHOOL TEACHERS, TEACHER AIDES, UH, POLICE FIRE.
THOSE THAT, UH, NOT FOR, NOT INTENDED FOR A FAMILY WITH CHILDREN, FOR EXAMPLE.
THEY'RE DOING THE ONE BEDROOM OR TWO BEDROOMS JUST TO MAKE YOU AWARE.
THEY'RE INTENDED, UH, THEY DID A BUSINESS MODEL.
UH, THEY BELIEVE THIS WOULD BENEFIT THE TOWN.
IT'S IN WALKABILITY OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
THEIR INTENTION IS TO FIND THAT NICHE HERE IN THE COMMUNITY TO SUPPLY HOUSING FOR THOSE, UH, THOSE THAT COMMUTE OUT OF THE AREA.
UNFORTUNATELY WORK HERE, BUT COMMUTE OUT OF THE AREA.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND WHAT THE, UH, PART OF IT IS.
BUT YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE CONVERSION OF THE MOTEL INTO AN APARTMENT, UH, BUILDING THREE FLOORS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHAT THE RENTS THEY'RE PLANNING TO CHARGE? DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHAT THE RENTS ARE? UH, THAT DID NOT COME UP IN, UH, TOPIC OF CONVERSATION.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU'RE REALLY JUST LOOKING AT THE USE HERE.
THE AMENITIES THAT THEY OFFER.
GIVE YOU A BACKGROUND ON THE ROOM.
SO THE ROOMS, YOU KNOW, SOME QUESTIONS CAME UP ABOUT THE ROOMS ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS. IT'S, THEIR MOTTO IS NOT INTENDED FOR A FAMILY OF TWO AND THREE AND FOUR KIDS TO ADD TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
IT'S MORE DESIGNED FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
THAT WORK HERE, BUT COMMUTE OUT AND HAVE THE EXTRA BEDROOM.
THEY MAY SHARE AN APARTMENT SHARE.
BUT ANY AND PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE
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AND HAVE LOW INCOME RENT, JUST AS WELL AS PEOPLE WHO COMMUTE OUT.I MEAN, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A JOB OUTSIDE THE COUNTY, IS THERE? NO, THERE'S, WE WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE, AT THE USE.
THE CHANGE FROM A MOTEL INTO APARTMENT.
I JUST WANTED TO, IF, IF APPROPRIATE, CAN I ASK ABOUT THE FUTURE USE OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING? 'CAUSE I SAW ON THE DESIGN SOME LANDSCAPING WOULD BE NICE.
WELL, UM, WELL, THAT, THAT'S PART OF YOUR, THE SECOND PART, SO, OKAY, WELL THIS IS FOR CONVERSION IT ALL IN SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
ONE IS FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS THIS USE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS DISTRICT AND THAT ONLY AND LONG AS IT, UH, MEETS THAT CONDITION ON THE, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
IS THIS USE APPROPRIATE? YOU KNOW, THE, IF IT, IF THEY'D GO TO THE POINT WHERE THEY NEEDED, THEY'LL DO THE RENOVATIONS, THEY WOULD GET A ZONING PERMIT.
WE WOULD JUST LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE UNITS AND IF IT NEEDS THE PARKING FOR THE NUMBER OF UNITS THERE, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD DO THE PLAN, REVIEW APPROVAL AND EVERYTHING WOULD MEET THE WARREN, UH, CURRENT BUILDING CODE.
THAT'S NOT UP FOR US TO REVIEW.
YOU'LL LOOK AT THE PLUMBING, THE MECHANICAL, YEAH.
THAT IS NOT, YOU'RE NOT PART OF YOUR REVIEW OR PROCESS.
SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
ALRIGHT, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
I THINK THAT I WROTE DOWN, THEY HAD, UH, CURRENTLY THEY HAVE 34, UH, MOTEL ROOMS, PERF FLOOR.
THAT'S WHAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE.
SO, UH, THEY WANNA CHANGE THAT TO THE 39, UH, DWELLING UNITS, APARTMENT UNITS.
UH, SO THERE'S THE PLAT OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY DO HAVE A SWIMMING POOL THERE, A RESTAURANT THERE ON, ON SITE ALSO COMES INTO PLAY WITH THE PARKING AND THE CONVERSION OR A CHANGE OF USE FROM MOTEL TO APARTMENTS.
SO PART OF THAT APPLICATION, SO YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS.
THE ONE IS THE CONVERSION SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THE NEXT IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION UNDER 1 7 5 1 13.
UH, THIS PART HERE OF THE BUILDING IS A RESTAURANT.
THEY HAVE A, UM, PARKING ALREADY ESTABLISHED FOR THE RESTAURANT USE.
UH, THIS IS THE SWIMMING POOL AREA.
PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF 1 1 7 5, 1 13 IS OPEN SPACE.
UH, ALSO I THINK THEIR INTENDED USE IS THEY WOULD BE A RECREATIONAL FACILITY INSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE FOR USE BY THE RESIDENTS.
PLUS THE, UH, SWIMMING POOL AREA ALSO WOULD BE USED BY THE RESIDENTS.
YOU SAY RECREATIONAL AREA INSIDE THE STRUCTURE, DO YOU MEAN INSIDE THE RESTAURANT STRUCTURE OR THE HOTEL STRUCTURE? OH, HOTEL OFFICE STRUCTURE.
AND THERE'LL BE A, UH, LACK OF A BETTER TERM, I GUESS A SITTING ROOM.
UH, THEY'RE GONNA ESTABLISH OR COPY ROOM, ROOM FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WANNA SIT DOWN, WORK ON THEIR LAPTOP, WHATEVER, DO BUSINESS DOWN THERE IN THAT AREA.
IS THE, IS THE RESTAURANT BUILDING GONNA STAND THE RESTAURANT AT THIS POINT YES.
AND IT HAS THE PARKING AVAILABLE WITH THE RESTAURANT.
QUESTION ABOUT, THERE'S A BACK ROOM ABOVE THAT.
WHAT IS THE INTENDED USE OF THAT? BECAUSE IF I HAVE A WEDDING ANNIVERSARY THERE, ALL OF A SUDDEN MORE CARS ARE GONNA FLOW IN.
UH, THOSE WOULD BE USED BY THE RESIDENTS AVAILABLE TO THE RESIDENTS.
IF THEY NEEDED, UH, A LARGE GATHERING OR SOMETHING FOR EVERYTHING THERE IS CONFINED TO THE RESIDENCE OTHER THAN THE RESTAURANT.
YOU CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING OR THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
IF YOU WANNA GET TO THIS POINT AND ASK THEM SOME QUESTIONS THAT THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO KEEP FOCUSED ON WHAT RIGHT, RIGHT.
THE PATH IS IN, IN FRONT OF US AND WHAT YOU'RE VOTING OR, UH, LOOKING AT TO, UH, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IF IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT.
UH, THE THING IS WITH THIS, UH, PROPERTY IS, UH, WHEN THE HOTEL WAS ESTABLISHED, UH, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THEM WERE NINE BY 18.
SO THOSE WERE PUT IN BY CODE NINE BY 18.
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OUR APARTMENT, UH, PART WHEN THEY'RE OVER, UH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF ONE ACRE, UH, PARKING SPACES ARE 10 BY 20.UM, SO CURRENTLY THEY HAVE THE NINE BY 18, BUT WHEN THEY HAVE A AREA FOR APARTMENTS GREATER THAN ONE ACRE, UM, THE PARKING SPACES GET INCREASED TO 10 BY 20.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
UH, WITH THAT ALSO, THE WAY OUR, UH, CODE IS WRITTEN, UH, THEY NEED TO HAVE TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES FOR EACH UNIT.
ALSO, THE PARKING AREAS, UH, SO THEY HAVE A 106 PARKING SPACES AROUND THIS, THIS AREA, THE BACK UP HERE AND CAN FIND IT HERE.
THESE ARE FOR THE RESTAURANT NOT INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATIONS.
SO THESE ARE FOR THE HOTEL AREA THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE.
UH, BUT WITH OUR CODE FOR THIS, UH, WE REQUIRED A PARKING TO BE SET BACK 30 FEET BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THIS IS THIS RED BOX HERE, SET BACK 30 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THAT WOULD NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT COURT, CORRECT.
SO THIS IS PART OF THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION IF YOU'RE GOING TO WAIVE, UH, A PARENT, UH, THE 30 FOOT, UH, REQUIREMENT BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE HE STEPPED BACK.
BUT THESE SPACES UP HERE, UH, THESE ARE PARTLY IN, UH, THE REST OF 'EM ARE OUT OF THAT 30 FOOT ENVELOPE.
UH, ALSO OUR CODE REQUIRES, UH, THE PARKING AREAS WILL BE SET BACK, OR ALL EXCESS DRIVE SHALL BE AT LEAST 15 FEET FROM ANY BUILDING ON THE LOT AND FROM EXTERIOR LINES.
SO THESE PARKING SPACES HERE WOULD BE ELIMINATED BASED ON THE CODE FOR APARTMENTS.
UH, SO, UH, THAT AGAIN, REQUIRED PARKING SPACES WITH THE CODE FOR 1 7 5, 1 13.
THEY CURRENTLY HAVE NINE TO 18.
UM, IT DEPENDS HOW YOU ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS.
UH, THEY HAVE ON SITE CURRENTLY THEY HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING, OBVIOUSLY 39 UNITS.
UH, TWO, BASICALLY IF YOU GO 40, WE'LL JUST SAY THEY NEED 80 PARKING SPACES.
THEY HAVE OVER A HUNDRED CURRENTLY THERE, BUT THEY'RE NINE BY 18.
AND ALL THOSE DO NOT SET BACK FROM THE, UH, PROPERTY LINE.
SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION, UH, ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION, WHAT YOU WOULD APPROVE FOR THEM.
YOU HAVE A COUPLE OPTIONS THERE.
SO ONE'S A PARKING SPACE SIZE, AND THEN YOU NEED TO CONSIDER, ARE YOU GOING TO, UH, REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE THE 30 FOOT BACK FROM THE PARKING LINE OF A PARKING LOT THAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED AND PAVED AND STRIPED.
UH, ARE YOU GONNA INCLUDE THOSE OR NOT INCLUDE THOSE? AND ARE YOU, UH, WILLING TO INCLUDE THOSE THAT DON'T SET BACK 15 FEET FROM THE BUILDING OR FROM THE PROPERTY LINE? THE PARKING LOT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED? THAT'S WHAT THE EXCEPTIONS FOR.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE EXCEPTION IS FOR.
IF, IF, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, DOES NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR EITHER THE 30 FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE NOR THE 15 FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND, UH, THE BUILDING, THEN THEY'RE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, NOT REQUIRING TWO PER UNIT.
UH, BUT THIS IS AN EXISTING PARKING LOT THERE ALREADY STRIP NINE BY 18.
UM, THE WHOLE DILEMMA'S HERE FOR THIS APPLICATION.
SO JOHN, IF IF, IF THEY CONTINUING TO USE AND THEY SOLD IT, SOMEBODY ELSE, THEIR GRANDFATHERED IN WITH THE NINE BY EIGHTEENS, WE WOULD NOT MAKE A NEW OWNER OF THE HOTEL MAKE 'EM 10 BY 20.
WOULD WE? HOTELS ARE NINE BY 18.
THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN 1 75, 1 13 REQUIRE APARTMENTS TO HAVE 10 BY 20 SPACES.
THE OTHER USES ONLY REQUIRE NINE OR EIGHT.
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18.WHEN THEY ENACTED THOSE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE PARKING SPACES.
MAY THAT WAS MY FAULT IF I DIDN'T EXPLAIN.
I I, NO, I, BUT THEY'RE ASKING TO EITHER LET THEM USE THE ESSENTIAL, LIKE THE PARKING THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE, OR LET THEM REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING, UM, FROM TWO PER DWELLING UNIT, MAYBE DOWN TO ONE OR ONE AND A HALF SO THAT THEY CAN MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS.
AND THE THE NEXT PART IS THIS THAT, UH, UH, IS THE GREEN SPACE.
SO THIS AREA HERE IN THE CENTER WOULD BE CONVERTED INTO GREEN SPACE OR OPEN SPACE.
THAT'S THE RECREATIONAL AREA THAT THEY WILL CONVERT BASED ON THE CALCULATIONS THAT'S REQUIRED.
THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR, OR THE APPLICATION IS NOT FOR ANY WAIVER ON THAT.
THEY WILL ACCOMMODATE THE OPEN SPACE OR GREEN SPACE OF THAT FOR RECREATIONAL AREA.
IF THEY, FOR THE SPACE THAT IS EXISTING PARKING.
IF THEY DO THE 10 BY 20 FOR PARKING SPACES, HOW SHORT ARE THEY FOR THE PARKING ALLOT? UM, NEEDED, LET'S SEE.
UM, I THINK THEY HAVE CURRENTLY 106 PARKING SPACES IN THAT AREA.
NOW THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THIS, THIS LOT HERE IS NOT INCLUDED.
IT'S THESE DOWN THROUGH HERE AND AROUND.
UH, THEY HAVE BASICALLY A HUNDRED.
SO THEY WOULD LOSE, UH, UH, LET'S SEE, THAT'D BE ONE OUT OF EVERY, UH, 10 SPACES.
SO THEY'D LOSE NINE IF I DID MY MATH THERE CORRECTLY.
IF WE SAY A HUNDRED, THEY WOULD BE DOWN TO PROBABLY 90 SPACES OR SOMETHING.
IF YOU WANT 'EM TO RES STRIPES THAT.
SO IF THEY'RE DOWN TO 90 SPACES AND THERE'S TWO PER APARTMENT MM-HMM.
WELL I'D HAVE TO DO THE CALCULATIONS ON THAT, BUT YEAH.
SO WE'D HAVE TO SEE WHICH ONES WOULD GET ELIMINATED BASED ON THIS, UH, THE DISTANCE DOWN THERE.
I MEAN FOR, FOR THE OFFSET, ESSENTIALLY IF YOU HAD 90 FEET, YOU WOULD GET 10 PARKING SPACES.
BUT NOW THEY DON'T ONLY GET NINE, SO THEY'RE LOSING ONE OUT OF EVERY 10.
SO I'M SAYING WHEN YOU HAVE A HUNDRED, YOU'D REDUCE THAT WITHOUT CHECKING ALL THE DIMENSIONS.
SO THEY'D NEED, UH, SEVEN, UH, 78 PARKING SPACES.
SO IF WE REQUIRE, THEY DO THE 10 BY 20 PARKING FOR APARTMENTS.
AND WE DID THE WAIVER FOR THE OFFSETS.
UH, THEN THEY COULD REACH RIGHT TO PARKING.
UM, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CALCULATION.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GONNA BE CLOSE TO AROUND 80 SOME, RIGHT? APPROXIMATELY.
WE'LL JUST AT MOST 90 SPACES THEY WOULD REQUIRE 78.
BUT WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.
SO THEY WOULD BE WITHIN THE COMPLIANCE.
UH, WE'D HAVE TO CHECK MAYBE A COUPLE OF THE, UH, THE DRIVE, UH, THESE HERE, IF THEY MEET THE RIGHT DISTANCE FOR TRAVEL WAY HERE, FOR EXAMPLE, HERE AND UP HERE AT THE BUILDING.
UM, A COUPLE OF 'EM MAY BE ELIMINATED THAT WAY, BUT YES, THAT'D BE ONE WAY TRAFFIC.
UH, WE CHECKED THAT THE DIMENSIONS BETWEEN THE PARKING SPACES FOR THE DRIVE, UH, TRAVEL WHILE THERE.
THEY DID HAVE A ADEQUATE ROOM FOR THAT.
MY ONLY CONCERN WAS MAYBE THIS PARKING SPACE HERE FOR TURNING RADIUS HERE.
AND ALSO UP HERE AT THIS CORNER OF THE BUILDING, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ELIMINATE ONE OR TWO THERE.
IT SEEMS BASED ON THE CALCULATIONS, THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION.
WE COULD CHECK SOME THINGS, BUT UH, THEY WOULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, 80 SOME PARKING SPACES.
SO JUST, SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT REAL FAST.
SO WE ARE LOSING BASICALLY ALL THE UPPER ONES.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S PARKING ON THAT, THAT NORTHERN SIDE THAT KIND OF SPLITS THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE ALL THE PARKING ON ONE PROPERTY SO THAT SECONDARY PROPERTY CAN BE SOLD OFF OR DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO THIS PROPERTY UP HERE.
AND SO THEN THE PARKING SPOTS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE POOL, THOSE ALSO GO AWAY AS WELL, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE INCREASING THAT FOR THAT GREEN SPACE.
WE DID TRY TO LOOK AT THE 10 BY 20 AND IT'S REALLY CHALLENGING, I'LL SAY, TO GET ALL THE SPOTS FOR AT LEAST FOR TWO PER UNIT.
SO THEY MAY COME IN WITH THE, LET'S SEE HERE.
YEAH, THOSE ONES ARE IN THE MIDDLE.
SO THEY WOULDN'T BE REDUCTION IN THESE HERE BECAUSE OF THE GREEN SPACE THAT'S THERE.
HOW SHORT ARE YOU GUYS? WELL, SO IT'S KIND OF CHALLENGING BECAUSE THERE'S ALL THESE DIFFERENT EXCEPTIONS, RIGHT.
WE'RE, WE'RE REQUESTING FOR THIS.
UM, I MEAN ESSENTIALLY WE'RE TRYING TO USE AS MUCH REUSE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
THE EXISTING STRIPING THE NINE BY 18.
UH, AND THEN ALSO AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE REQUIRING TWO PARKING SPOTS FOR ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF, TO ME IT SEEMS KIND OF LIKE A WEIRD SORT
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OF THING.SO WE ARE TRYING TO, WE LOOKED AT PARKING 10 BY 20 WITH ALL THE SETBACKS AND WE BASICALLY HAD TO TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE SEPARATE PROPERTY.
SO BASICALLY THAT ENTIRE SEPARATE PROPERTY IS JUST ASPHALT, WHERE IT COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE.
IT COULD BE ANOTHER COMMERCIAL UNIT.
UM, WE'RE ALSO ADDING ON HERE THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE AS WELL THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT OBVIOUSLY IS NEEDED FOR THIS.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S HARD TO SAY WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE BASICALLY NINE BY 12 IF WE ARE ALLOWED TO FOREGO ALL THE SETBACKS.
SEE HOW MUCH WE COULD PARK THERE.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET TWO SPOTS PER UNIT THOUGH WITH THE 10 BY 12 ON THERE.
UM, SO YOUR PERMISSION, WE WILL ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
SO IN, IN THE WHOLE SCHEME OF PARKING, UM, YOU'RE KEEPING THE RESTAURANT UP FRONT, YOU'VE GOT DEDICATED PARKING.
UM, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT YOUR TENANTS MAY PARK THERE? IN OTHER WORDS, CAN THEY PARK THEIR BOAT THERE? CAN THEY PARK THEIR CAR TRAILER THERE? CAN THEY PARK THEIR MOTORCYCLE TRAILER? BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING IN REYNOLDS, AND I, I CAN TAKE YOU RIGHT ON CHARLESBURG ROAD AND SHOW YOU TWO CAR PARKING SPOT AT A TOWNHOUSE.
AND HE'S GOT HIS TRAILER DOWN HERE.
HE IS GOT HIS WORK TRUCK, HE'S GOT HIS CAR, HIS WIFE'S CAR.
SO I, I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT AS FAR AS IF I READ FROM YOU, CAN I USE A PARKING SPOT TO PUT ANYTHING IN IT PLUS MY TRUCK AND LET'S SEE IF WE WOULD YEAH.
AND I WAS JUST GONNA A QUICK INTERJECTION.
I DON'T WANNA
YEAH, NO, SO IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, I MEAN, SHORT ANSWER IS WE HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT YET.
WE ASSUME THAT EACH UNIT WILL HAVE A NUMBERED SPOT FOR, FOR PARKING THERE.
UM, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE, EVERYONE AT LEAST GETS ONE SPOT PLUS THEN THERE'S EXTRA EITHER FOR GUESTS, UH, OR POTENTIALLY EVEN RENTING THAT OUT AS ADDITIONAL SPACE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I WOULD IMAGINE TOO, THERE'D BE RESTRICTIONS IN THE LEASE THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK, YOU KNOW, A BROKEN DOWN CAR, A CAR YOU'RE WORKING ON RIGHT.
IS BASICALLY SOMETHING FOR, UH, TO GET TO YOUR, YOUR APARTMENT AND YOU KNOW, AND OUT.
UM, SO IT'S, YOU'RE LOSING THE PARKING ACROSS HERE.
SO THE BACK FOOT ROOM WILL BE A ROOM THAT TENANTS CAN RENT PROBABLY THE WHOLE BIRTHDAY PARTIES.
THAT'S GONNA CREATE GUESTS AS WELL, TEMPORARILY.
SO I, WHEN I THINK ABOUT REDUCING THE PARKING, I THINK ABOUT, WELL MY, MY GRANDSON'S DAD LIVES IN A, AND THEY HAVE A POOL AND THEY HAVE A CLUBHOUSE.
SO WHEN WE ALL GO OVER THERE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THIS PARKING, THEY HAVE LIMITED PARKING, BUT THERE'S ON STREET PARKING, WHICH OF COURSE YOU DOWN AT GEORGE.
WELL, SO ALSO THE GOOD LOCATION WITH THIS, I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT BY YOUR DOWNTOWN WITH YOUR OVERFLOW PARKING.
SO I THINK THAT THERE IS EACH, EACH, UH, EACH TENANT GETS THEIR OWN SPOT.
THERE'S GUESTS FOR BASICALLY THAT OVERFLOW.
BUT THEN ANYTHING MORE, I THINK PEOPLE CAN WALK FROM THE ACTUAL TOWN PARKING LOT AS WELL.
I MEAN IT'S THIS, THIS, THIS MOTEL IN GENERAL IS A GREAT LOCATION FOR RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? IN TERMS OF PROMOTING, BASICALLY WALKING AROUND VERSUS DRIVING EVERYWHERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S STILL CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE NEED TO WORK OUT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERING OF THE SPOTS, THAT SORT OF STUFF.
UM, AND HONESTLY, I MEAN THE BANQUET HALL IS KIND OF A SECONDARY THING AS WELL.
SO THE BIGGEST, THE BIGGEST PRIORITY FOR THIS IS THE, THE, UM, THE RESIDENCE.
SO I MEAN, IF THAT HAS TO TURN TO OFFICE SPACE OR WHATEVER FOR THE UNITS, I THINK WE'RE STILL OKAY WITH THAT.
IDEALLY, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE ANY PLACE FOR A TV, A LOUNGE SPOT, SOMETHING KIND OF LARGER TO, TO HANG OUT.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE FLEXIBLE WITH THAT TOO.
AND YOUR CURRENT OFFICE WOULD BE YOUR CAFE? YES, WIFI BAR, HANGOUT PLACE, GYM, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO.
SO THE CURRENT LOBBY WHERE A CHECK IN AND CHECK OUT IS GONNA REMAIN AS IS.
WE MAY, YOU KNOW, BOX IT OUT JUST TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE FANCY.
BUT WE DO HAVE AN EXERCISE ROOM THERE AT THE MOMENT.
THERE'S A WATER FOUNTAIN, THERE ARE VENDING MACHINES THERE.
YOU KNOW, AN ATM MACHINE CAN EASILY BE PUT IN WITH AN ETHERNET CONNECTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S GOT PLENTY OF SPACE, FEW MORE COUCHES, YOU KNOW, LITTLE, YOU KNOW, UH, EASY CHAIRS SO YOU CAN, AND IT'S WELL LIT, YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN MAKE IT AS A SIT DOWN.
SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME MEET YOU, YOU CAN JUST MEET THEM THERE, HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE.
UM, AND IT'S A WALKING PATH INTO THE RESTAURANT ALSO.
THERE ARE MEN'S AND WOMEN'S BATHROOM RIGHT THERE AS WELL.
UH, AND JUST TO ADDRESS THE BANQUET HALL QUESTION.
SO THE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT.
EVEN WITH THE NEW PAVE UH, REGULATION OR THE EXISTING ONE, UH, THE RESTAURANT HAS,
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UM, THEIR OCCUPANCY IS 40 OR 44, SO THEY NEED BETWEEN 10 AND 12 PARKING SPOTS.SO IN THE FRONT AND ON THE, ON THE SIDE WHERE THE GREEN, UH, UM, THAT FIGURE IS APPEARING, THERE ARE ABOUT 16 TO 18 PARKING SPOTS EVEN NOW.
SO SOME OF THE OVERFLOW FROM THE BANQUET HALL CAN COME THERE AS WELL FOR THE VISITORS THAT HAVE COME TO MEET THE TENANTS.
UM, AND WHAT WE'VE TYPICALLY SEEN IS THE RESTAURANT DOES NOT TYPICALLY HAVE PARKING SPOT USED ALL DAY.
MOST OF THEIR SPOTS ARE, UM, UNUSED AND THEY ALSO DO A LOT OF TAKEOUTS.
SO PEOPLE JUST PARK THERE FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES, PICK UP THEIR FOOD AND LEAVE.
UM, SO THERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW PEAK, PEAK HOURS ARE BETWEEN LUNCH AND DINNER ONLY, BUT, UH, BETWEEN THOSE TIMES THE PARKING LOT IS EMPTY BECAUSE THERE'S HARDLY ANYBODY THERE, UH, OVERNIGHT.
THERE IS NOBODY AT THE RESTAURANT.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC FLOW IN THAT, THAT LOT 'CAUSE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
UM, AND THERE'S NOT MUCH SPACE BETWEEN THE, THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE BUILDING AND YOU KNOW, THE STREET, THERE'S NOT MUCH SPACE THERE.
IF SOMEBODY HAS A BIG VEHICLE AND COMING IN FROM UH, COMMERCE, UH, TO THAT FIRST ENTRANCE, UM, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE THE U-TURN TO GET AROUND TO GET UP TO THE SIDE.
ARE YOU PLANNING ON CHANGING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC? SO, UH, SO WE ACTUALLY PROVIDE TWO OPTIONS FOR THIS.
SO THE OPTION ONE KEEPS THIS EXISTING PARKING OUT FRONT HERE.
OPTION TWO ACTUALLY REPLACES THIS AS A GREEN SPACE.
SO IT ACTUALLY KIND OF SOFTENS THE BUILDING AS WELL.
HOWEVER, WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU LOSE THESE SPOTS DOWN HERE.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN HELP THIS, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE THE BUILDING.
SO THIS, THIS PINCH IS STILL GONNA REMAIN, BUT WE COULD SOFTEN THAT WITH, WITH THE GREEN SPACE.
HOWEVER, THEN WE NEED A LARGER EXCEPTION FOR THE REDUCTION.
SO THIS ONE, WE DO THE 42 EXISTING SPOTS NOW.
SO NOW WE CAN GET DOWN TO ONE PER UNIT IS TOTALLY FINE.
UM, PLUS, YOU KNOW, THE RESTAURANT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE STILL.
UM, SO, UH, THIS WOULD BE ASSUMED ASSUMES IS ALSO IS ONE-WAY TRAFFIC AS WELL.
SO YOU COME IN THROUGH HERE, YOU GO AROUND AND BASICALLY OUT, OUT THROUGH HERE, THIS IS, THIS WILL BE BASICALLY ABANDONED.
SO YOU KNOW, WHATEVER USE IS, WHATEVER HAPPENS ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY ADJACENT, THAT'D BE INDEPENDENT OF THIS ONE.
HOW DO YOU CALCULATE 16 PARKING SPACES FOR THE RESTAURANT? SO, UM, DO THESE ARE THE DIAGONAL PARKING SPOTS HERE AND THEN RIGHT.
BUT THERE ARE EIGHT OF THEM OVER HERE.
THERE ARE PARKING SPOTS, RIGHT.
THAT DO NOT CROSS INTO THE OTHER LOT.
SORRY TO CLARIFY, THIS IS THE PROPOSED FOR THE RESTAURANT, THIS AREA HERE.
BUT BECAUSE THOSE ARE, ARE YOU GONNA CHANGE THE ANGLING OF THOSE PARKING SPACES? 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO COME IN FROM ONE ENTRANCE IN THERE TO WE DON'T PLAN ON TOUCHING ANY OF THIS OR IN TERMS OF THE PARKING, THAT SORT OF STUFF.
IT'S REALLY JUST THIS AREA HERE THAT'S MOTEL TO RESIDENTIAL.
HOPEFULLY THIS AREA THAT IS NOW, YOU KNOW, PARKING TO GREEN SPACE AND POOL, WHICH IS A GREAT AMENITY FOR OUR, OUR RESIDENTS MUCH.
UH, AND THEN THIS, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA CHANGE THIS, WE CAN SOFTEN THAT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT PARKING THEN GOES DOWN.
SO THIS BASICALLY WOULD BE RES STRIPPED AS WELL.
SO ARE YOU GONNA MAKE IT A ONE WAY PARKING LOT? YES.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, IT'S, IT IS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, I MEAN WE'RE OPEN, BUT I THINK THAT REALLY TWO WAY WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT TOO TIGHT HERE.
SO I THINK BASICALLY YOU COME IN, YOU GO THROUGH HERE AND THEN YOU EXIT DOWN THROUGH HERE.
STRIPING WE, WE'D STRIPED THE, UH, OR PUT AN ARROW ON THE, UH, THE ASPHALT.
COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE? OH, SORRY.
I'M WITH FOURSCORE ARCHITECTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT FOR ME.
I MEAN, DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ONE OPTION IN FAVOR? THE OTHER, WHEN YOU GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE TRYING TO WEIGH SEVERAL THINGS AT ONE TIME IN MY REPORT, DO YOU WANT ME TO, DO YOU WANT ALL OF THE OPTIONS OUTLINED? DO YOU WANT CONDITIONS FOR EACH OPTION OR IS THERE SOMETHING, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S JUMPING OUT AT YOU NOW? WELL, WHAT JUMPS OUT, IF I MAY, UH, WHAT JUMPS OUT AT ME IS WE, WE HAVE TWO CONFLICTING ORDINANCES DEPENDING ON THE USE OF MM-HMM.
I'M NOT SURE WHY WE, WELL, I KNOW WHY BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE SAYS 10 TO 20 ON OUR APARTMENT.
BUT THE THING JUMPS OUT TO ME IS IT'S FUNCTIONING WELL AS IT IS NOW AS A PARKING LOT.
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UH, WHEN WE GO, IF WE GO IN HERE AND CHANGE, WHY ARE YOU GONNA HAVE 10 TO 20 AND THIS AND THIS? NOW WE'RE INCREASING THE COST, WHICH MAYBE SHOULDN'T BE OUR CONCERN, BUT BEING BUSINESS ORIENTED, I HATE TO SEE THEM REDO WHAT HAS WORKED FOR 50 SOME YEARS AS A PARKING LOT.CHANGE IT BECAUSE, WELL, OUR CODE FOR APARTMENTS REQUIRE, UH, FOOT MORE HERE AND TWO FEET MORE THERE.
UM, I ALSO DISAGREE WITH, UH, WITH THE, UH, AND JOHN, FORGIVE ME, UH, OFF, OFF OF THE UH, YES.
HAVING, YOU KNOW, LOSING ALL OF THIS PARKING SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S OUT IN THE QUADRANT AGAIN, IT FUNCTIONS AS IT IS.
IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
SO I, I DON'T, I WOULD NOT WANT A BUNCH OF OPTIONS.
I, I WOULD BE INTERESTED, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE INTERESTED IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
UM, AND OF COURSE MR. SON'S OPINION, YOU KNOW, ARE WE IN DANGER OF BLOWING SOMETHING UP AND DOING SOMETHING THAT WE'LL REGRET LATER? HE'S KIND OF THE WATCHDOG FOR THAT.
UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTUALLY I LIKE WHAT WE'RE SEEING.
IT FUNCTIONS WELL AS A, AS A MOTEL, UH, HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GONNA DEBATE THAT OR GET INTO HOW MUCH IT COSTS OR WHATEVER, BUT HERE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN OUR DOWNTOWN DISTRICT TO HAVE POTENTIAL UP TO 39 UNITS.
AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS THING WITH THE BALLROOM, UH, IS A MULTI-USE ROOM FOR THE TENANTS.
'CAUSE IF YOU HAVE A ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT AND YOU WANT TO HAVE FRIENDS OVER FOR A BIRTHDAY PARTY AND THERE'S GONNA BE 20 PEOPLE COMING.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE PARKING, THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE PARKING WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T.
AND THAT JUST CAUSES POOR TROUBLE.
AND I THINK BECAUSE THEY'RE GIVING THEM THAT OPTION OF EITHER USING OR RENTING IT, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THEIR PLANS ARE.
THEY HAVE THE, I'VE EATEN AT THE RESTAURANT THERE AND THEY HAVE THE ADEQUATE PARKING.
AND YOU SEE ACROSS THE TUNNEL THERE, THE OTHER PARKING HE WAS POINTING TO YOU COULDN'T SEE DOWN.
I UNDERSTAND THE SPECIAL USE SECTION.
I BELIEVE, UM, WE MAY WANT TO REMEDIATE, AS JOHN SAID, ON THESE CORNERS FOR THE SWING.
I, I, I TRUST YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE, UM, CAN YOU GET A FIRE TRUCK THROUGH THEIR, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
ARE YOU WELL INTERESTED IN REDUCING THE REQUIRED THE AMOUNT PER UNIT? I, NOT UNLESS WE, RIGHT.
I, AND I GAVE YOU THE EXAMPLE OF THE TIME.
DO YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE NINE BY 18 REDUCTION.
KEEP IT, LEAVE IT AS A, KEEP IT AT NINE BY 18.
BUT YOU'RE A LITTLE MORE HESITANT ON RECOMMENDING THE REDUCTION FROM TWO PER UNIT DOWN TO LIKE ONE THREE UNIT.
I AM BECAUSE, UH, I JUST, YOU KNOW, IN THIS DAY AND TIME, IF WE LIVE THERE IN A ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT, ALL I ARE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CAR, I'M GONNA HAVE A CAR.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S SEEMS TO BE THE AMERICAN WAY.
I, I'M, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD, YOU'RE WANTING TO CONSIDER THIS, UH, FORGET THE RED BOX OR GIVEN, GIVEN AN EXCEPTION FOR THAT ON THAT 30 FOOT SETBACK.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES.
AGAIN, IF IT DIDN'T BROKE, LET'S NOT FIX IT.
LET'S NOT MAKE THEM INCUR MORE COSTS.
LET'S GIVE THEM THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PARKING.
UM, SO SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE, UM, THE OPTION ONE, CAN WE GO BACK TO OPTION ONE? SO OPTION ONE KEEPS THOSE NINE BY 18.
THEY KEEP BASICALLY THE SETBACKS.
THESE IGNORE THE SETBACKS, BUT WE'RE STILL LEFT WITH 59 SPOTS.
SO THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, SO THESE, ALL THESE ARE EXISTING RIGHT HERE.
THEY, THEY WOULD REMAIN THE NINE BY 18 IN THAT SCENARIO.
BUT WE STILL HAVE TO GET RID OF THIS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE, WE NEED THIS SPACE FOR THE GREEN SPACE, AND THEN WE CAN'T REALLY PARK, WE COULD DO SOME PARALLEL PARKING ALONG HERE, BUT WE GOTTA KEEP THAT PRETTY CLEAR FOR ACTUALLY EGRESS THAN OUT THERE.
SO WE'RE STILL, YOU LOSE THAT UPPER PARKING.
THIS LINE RIGHT HERE IS ANOTHER PROPERTY.
THESE, THESE SPACES HERE, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GONNA LOSE THOSE.
SO, RIGHT, SO WE'RE PULLING THIS ALL THE WAY BACK TO HERE.
SO NOW WE CAN HAVE THESE, AND ALSO THIS IS TOO TIGHT THEN WITH, WITH THOSE PARKING SPOTS.
NOW, I MEAN, I HAVE ENOUGH, WE COULD, WE COULD TRY TO GET SOME PARALLEL PARKING SPOTS IN THERE, BUT WE'RE TALKING
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LIKE FIVE SPOTS.SO I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY ADDITIONAL, UM, WHICH I DID NOT REALIZE THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU NEED BOTH THE EXCEPTION TO KEEP THE NINE BY 18, AND ALSO YOU'RE SAYING YOU NEED THE EXCEPTION TO REMOVE, UH, THE TWO, THE TWO
AND UNFORTUNATELY, I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE, WE TRIED TO PARK IT FOR ALL THE GUIDELINES AND THIS ENTIRE AREA IS JUST, IT'S THE SEA OF A*****E, RIGHT? YES.
UM, WHICH IS ALSO, I THINK KIND OF A WASTE FOR, FOR FRONT ROYAL.
I MEAN, YOU COULD GET A SEPARATE COMMERCIAL BUILDING THERE.
AND THEN BASICALLY DO THAT, RIGHT.
A COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR SOMETHING ELSE, WHATEVER IT IS.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, WELL REFRESH, REFRESH OUR MEMORY.
HOW MANY ONE BEDROOMS AND HOW MANY TWO BEDROOMS. LAUREN, CAN YOU LOOK THAT UP? NUMBER ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS. I DID NOT REALIZE IN THE OPTION THAT YOU WERE TAKING AN UPPER, UH, NORTH SIDE PARKING.
YEAH, SORRY, THAT YEAH, IT'S A SEPARATE, UM, IT'S A SEPARATE PLAZA.
SO RIGHT NOW THE PARKING'S KIND OF BETWEEN THE TWO OF 'EM, I KNOW THE ONE'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OR THE HOTEL AND THE ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE BELONG TO THE LOT, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE DIAGRAM THAT SHOWS THE GREEN SPACE.
AND SO BECAUSE OF, DOES NOT SHOW THE PARKING, EXISTING PARKING BECAUSE OF, OKAY, SO THAT NARROWS THAT DOWN TOO MUCH.
WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS TO MEET OUR GREEN SPACE, WHICH IS GREAT.
I MEAN, WE, WE MEET IT, IT'S, IT WILL BE VERY NICE, BUT WHAT HAPPENS THAT WHEN THIS GETS PUSHED OUT, THIS GETS PINCHED OUT.
AND THAT'S, WE'RE RIGHT UP AGAINST OUR PROPERTY LINE RIGHT THERE.
SO YOU COULD DO SOME PARALLEL WITH THAT.
YEAH, I THINK WE GET A FEW MORE PARALLEL, BUT AGAIN, PARALLEL PARKING, YOU GET, YOU KNOW, IT'S FINISH.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE CONVENIENT FOR THE, UH, APARTMENT DWELLERS, BUT AGAIN, PEOPLE ARE COMING MAYBE TO USE, UH, MEAT CARE TO MEET 'EM AT THE POOL, WHATEVER.
UM, JUST JUST TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, I THINK WE'LL HAVE ABOUT FOUR OF THESE BEDROOMS WOULD BE TWO BEDROOMS PER FLOOR.
IT'S MOSTLY ONE BEDROOMS OR ONE BEDROOMS. ONE BEDROOMS. YOU WOULD ASSIGNED THE SPOT FROM TAKING IT.
UH, AGAIN, I, THAT'S, WE BELIEVE THAT'S GONNA THE CASE ONCE WITH THE ROOM NUMBERS ASSIGNED IT ON ONTO THE PA UH, PARKING SPOT ITSELF.
SO MAYBE A ONE BEDROOM, YOU GET ONE SPOT AND TWO BEDROOMS, YOU GET TWO AND RIGHT.
AND ALSO THERE'S GUESTS, RIGHT.
SO IT'S NOT JUST FROM BEING THE EXACT MINIMUM ARE ADDITIONAL.
I I, I WOULD ASSUME THE GUEST WOULD BE THE FURTHEST AWAY.
SO YOUR DWELLERS WOULD HAVE THE MOST CONVENIENT ACCIDENT.
AND ALL THOSE EXTRAS WOULD HAVE CLEARLY MARKED VISITOR SIGN ON IT.
13 ON EACH 2 12 2 BEDROOMS. 12 TWO BEDROOM 24.
27 1 BEDROOMS AND 12 TWO BEDROOMS. SO THAT WOULD GET YOU APPROXIMATELY.
SO, AND THEN IF WE WENT WITH THE OPTION ONE, WE LEAVE IT UP TO YOU HOW YOU, YOU DO IT.
BUT I JUST KNOW REALITY IS, AND THERE'S TWO ADULTS, THERE'S TWO VEHICLES, NINE TOP OUTTA 10.
WELL, THE REALITY IS PEOPLE WILL PARK ON THE FLAT LAND OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT THEY WON'T KNOW IT'S THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THEN IT'S REALLY UP TO THE OWNERS WHETHER THEY ENFORCE THE OVERFLOW PARKING.
PEOPLE GONNA PARK WHERE THEY CAN PARK.
SO ARE YOU, I MEAN, COMMISSION, ARE YOU ASKING OR WOULD RATHER HAVE OPTION NUMBER ONE WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER SITTER? I WOULD, ME TOO.
AS I TIME TO TAKE A YEAH, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE.
NO, BUT YEAH, THE PERMIT IS REQUESTING TWO SPACES TO ONE AND THEN REDUCTION IN SIZE.
AND THEN THIS WOULD BE IN THE RIGHT THEN THE SETBACK WOULD CORRECT.
GOING FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? THE DO NOT ENFORCE THE SETBACK AND ALLOW THE CURRENT NINE BY 18 SPOTS TO REMAIN AT THIS HOUSE? THAT'S, SO OPTION ONE IS WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE, UH, THE STAFF TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON? YEAH.
ARE YOU ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT, BRIAN? YEAH.
WELL IF, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF LANDSCAPING, UH, TREES OR SOMETHING.
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DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW, THEY'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LANDSCAPE STANDARDS.WE HAVEN'T STARTED, THIS IS JUST PRELIMINARY SEEING WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THIS OR, BUT YES.
I'M ASSUMING THERE'LL BE MORE TREES ON THERE.
WE'LL TRY TO TUCK GREEN SPACE WHEREVER WE CAN.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT USE OF THE SPACE.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU JUST, WHEN WE DO THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT THIS WORK SESSION, YOU WOULD RATHER THE OPTION BE OPTION ONE THAT YOU'D BE LOOKING AT, AT THE PUBLIC HEARING TO GRANT THOSE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS POTENTIALLY FOR THAT.
WHO SAYS I'M NOT
OH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME? YES, YES, YES.
THEY JUST WANT YOU TO SAY YES TO SOMETHING.
NO, I'M TOTALLY COMFORTABLE WITH OPTION ONE.
I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE HOPING WOULDN'T GONNA SAY OR DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER REVISION
IS STAFF OPTIMAL WITH IT? I SHOULD ASK THAT.
I ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT CODE NINE TO 18.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THE REDUCTION.
MY CONCERN IS STRICTLY THE PARKING.
THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THE PARKING AND THEN EGRESS FOR ANYBODY.
WELL THAT'S, I MEAN THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE DRIVE BY REQUIREMENT TO BE SO, AND WITH THEM MAKING IT ONE WAY WE CAN ENSURE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, IT SHOULD REDUCE LIKE TRAFFIC CONFLICTS THERE.
IT JUST NEEDS TO BE CLEARLY KNOW PEOPLE GO THE WRONG WAY ON BLUE RIDGE ALL THE TIME.
WELL YOU CAN'T, BUT, BUT OTHER THAN YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE IT EITHER.
BUT BESIDES THE POINT OF THE REDUCTION IN SIZE, THE REQUEST IS ALSO TO REDUCE THE REQUIREMENTS FROM TWO SPACES TO ONE.
SO DOES STAFF FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? BECAUSE THE 59 IS NOT GONNA GET DONE TWO PER UNIT? I'M COMFORTABLE.
YOU WANT US TO WEIGH IN? I MEAN WHEN PARKING SPACE PER BEDROOM? YEAH, I'M, WELL, I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THEIR PER WHAT THEIR YEAH.
WE'RE KIND OF GETTING DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE ON THE SIZE AND THE SETBACKS, BUT IT'S ALSO ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION.
AN EXCEPTION TO REDUCE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE NUMBER.
AND SO IF WE'RE GOING WITH OPTION ONE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT OPTION ONE NINE SPOTS, WHICH IS NOT TWO PER UNIT, RIGHT? YOU WOULD HAVE, UH, PER BEDROOM 24 FOR THE TWO BEDROOMS. THERE'S 12 TWO BEDROOMS THAT GIVE YOU 24 SPACES AND YOU HAVE UH, 27 1 SPACES KIND OF FOLLOWS WHAT WE DO WITH OTHER SUP ON SITE PARKING.
SO IT WOULD BE 50 51 SPACES BASED ON THOSE CALCULATIONS AND THEY WOULD HAVE 59.
AND YOUR HONOR, ARE YOU ASKING THEM TO SEE IF THEY CAN PUT SOME PARALLEL PACE ON THE SIDE UP THERE TO ADD A FEW MORE? WELL, WE NEED TO REALIZE WE MAY LOSE ONE ON A CORNER OR SOMETHING.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, 59 GIVES YOU A LITTLE BUFFER.
I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, YES.
MAXIMIZE, MAXIMIZE PARKING AND I WOULD GO WITH THE ONE SPOT BEDROOM.
ONE BEDROOM, ONE BEDROOM THAT, THAT DOESN'T, THAT GETS US TO 51 SPACES, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT WOULD WORK.
AND THEY ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO A TROLLEY STOP.
SO YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE THINKING PLANNING, RIGHT? WHAT'S THE DISTANCE AND PROXIMITY TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION? WHAT, WHAT'S THE AVAILABILITY? A WALK OR WHATEVER.
AND SO WALKABLE IS CONSIDERED LIKE A QUARTER MILE IS CONSIDERED THE MAXIMUM LIKE WALKING DISTANCE FOR WALKABILITY AND PLANNING.
SO IF THEY ARE WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF THE TROLLEY STOP AND THEY SHOULD BE RIGHT AT IT.
UM, WITH THE TROLLEY STOP DOWN AT THE LAKE GAZEBO AREA.
AND THERE'S CROSSWALK MAKE MAKE SENSE THAT THEY CAN ASK FOR THIS PARKING REDUCTION BASED ON PROXIMITY TO SOME PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
ARE YOU THINK COMMERCE? NO, THE TRUCK IS THERE COMMERCE AND STONE? THERE'S A STONE WALL.
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NO, NO.WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT A CROSSWALK STONE ONE ACROSS COMMERCE, THE BEST PRACTICE IN, YOU KNOW, WARNING THE PEOPLE.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA INCREASE TRAFFIC PROBABLY ACROSS THERE.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE STAY THERE NOW AND WALK OVER TO MAKE THE SIGN HAS BEEN UP FOR WHILE.
HAS ANYBODY CALLED THE PLANNING OFFICE? YES.
BUT HAVE THEY SAID ACTUALLY NO.
SO YOU'VE HAD NO REALLY FEEDBACK YET? WE'VE HAD NO FEEDBACK YET.
I THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO BE AGAINST IT, BUT I'VE BEEN TOLD.
IT NO, IT, IT'S GOING BE FAST AND DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE HOTEL IS SO SCARCELY POPULATED THAT IT, IT LOOKS HAVING A WELL POPULATED AREAS CAN BE ADDRESS STATED IN OUR PRINT IN THE COUNTY OR ATTRACTING THE NEW.
ANY OTHER, UH, ITEMS OF BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA? I NEED TO TALK WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT THE JOINT MEETING.
ARE WE THERE YET? ARE WE THERE YET? THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON OTHER.
SO THE MAYOR HAS REQUESTED A, A JOINT MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DISCUSS, UM, PND AND VAPE SHOTS.
UM, THE THOUGHT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE APRIL 29TH AT SEVEN O'CLOCK HERE AT TOWN HALL.
THIS WOULD BE JUST, THIS IS JUST LED CAN WE AGAIN, APRIL 29TH, IF YOU WANNA CONTACT THE MAYOR AND ASK HER IF WE CAN ADD GAMBLING.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A COMMISSION.
7:00 PM APRIL 29TH AT 7:00 PM I MAY, UM, WE JUST MET WITH THEM.
AND DO WE HAVE VERBIAGE THAT WE'RE GONNA REVIEW WITH THEM? I MEAN, THERE'S NO VERBIAGE AT THIS POINT.
I WOULD BE PUTTING TOGETHER JUST SOME
I THINK THIS COULD BE MORE OF AN EDUCATIONAL INFORMATIVE MEETING THAT WOULD BE AT LEAST AS FAR AS THE P AND D GOES.
IT WOULD BE AN EDUCATION THING.
UM, I MEAN WE HAD STARTED THE DISCUSSION AND, AND THE DISCUSSION WAS LOOKING AT HOW DO WE REGULATE THE, HOW DO WE REGULATE THEM IN A WAY THAT'S LEGAL, RIGHT? SO MM-HMM.
IF IT'S DEDICATED TO THE SALE OF THAT, THEN WE EITHER REQUIRE SUCH USE PERMIT OR WE SAY THAT IT CAN'T BE WITHIN LIKE A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF A CHURCH, DAYCARE SCHOOL.
SO WE CAN DIVE FURTHER INTO THAT.
UM, BUT IF THIS BODY'S UNABLE TO MEET, WE WE CAN GET ANOTHER TIME.
NO, I THINK I SHOULD BE ABLE TO MEET.
AS LONG AS THE REST, I MEAN GLENN, YOU'RE LETTING DOWN TWO BOARDS IF YOU DON'T COME.
I THINK WHENEVER WE GET TWO BOARDS TOGETHER TALKING ABOUT
BECAUSE MY THOUGHT IS WE CAN LOOK AT SOME OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND MAYBE COMPARE AND CONTRAST AND MAYBE THAT WOULD BE THE JUMPING OFF POINT FOR THE DISCUSSION.
I WOULD SUGGEST AN AGENDA AND UH, PUT A TIME LIMIT ON SOME THINGS.
ANYTHING ELSE? HEARING NONE, WE WILL, MS. POTTER ROLL.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNING SAY AYE.