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GOING.I'M GONNA CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER THE,
[Town Council Work Session on April 1, 2024.]
UH, TOWN COUNCIL, UH, REGULAR WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, APRIL 1ST, 2024.MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR COCKRELL HERE.
OUR, UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO ACTUALLY HAS A, B AND C TO IT.
AND MR. WILSON AND MR. WALTZ ARE GOING BE TAKING CARE OF ALL THREE OF THOSE.
BUT WE'LL START FIRST WITH THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 34 PERTAINING TO SEWER RATES.
UM, AND LOOKS LIKE MR. WILSON'S LEADING THE CHARGE ON THAT ONE
UH, SO THE FISCAL YEAR 25 PROPOSED BUDGET DOES INCLUDE A SEWER RATE INCREASE OF TWO POINT A QUARTER PERCENT.
UH, TAKES READ STUDY THAT WAS DONE AND THEN NOW REVISED.
UH, LAST PROVISION WAS DONE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021 WHEN WE RECEIVED THE ARPA FUNDS, UH, WHICH WE USED TO HELP, UH, MOVE ALONG THE INI ABATEMENT PROJECT AS WELL AS THE REDUNDANT WATERLINE.
UM, RECOMMENDING THAT, UH, COUNSEL ALLOW US TO ADVERTISE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN APPROVE, UH, AT THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING ON APRIL 22ND.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
MAY HAVE, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, BUT JUST, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY A CONTINUATION OF YEAH, THIS IS THE FIFTH YEAR.
UH, SO WE'LL BE DOING A RATE STUDY, UH, OR THE PROPOSED BUDGET HAS US DOING A RATE STUDY NEXT YEAR, UH, WHICH IS WELL NEEDED.
BUT THIS IS THE LAST INCREASE COMING FROM THE LAST RATE STUDY.
AS WE SPREAD IT OUT OVER TIME.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT.
LOOKS LIKE WE'RE READY TO MOVE.
AND THEN ADVERTISING ON THE 2024 REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATES.
AGAIN, AGAIN, A SHORT LITTLE PRESENTATION HERE FOR THE REAL ESTATE, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATES.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS COME OUT HERE, UH, WITH A, UH, APPROVAL AS TO WHAT TO ADVERTISE FOR THE TAX RATES.
UH, WE CAN ADVERTISE FOR A HIGHER TAX RATE, UH, AND THEN APPROVE A LOWER TAX RATE, BUT WE CAN'T GO VICE VERSA, MEANING WE CANNOT ADVERTISE FOR A LOWER TAX RATE AND THEN, UM, DECIDE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING TO RAISE THE TAX RATES.
SO I'M JUST PROVIDING COUNSEL WITH SOME INFORMATION, UH, TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
UH,
UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT GOES UP AND DOWN, UM, MAINLY GOING UP AND DOWN, UH, DUE TO THE REASSESSMENTS, UH, THAT WERE OCCURRING EVERY FOUR YEARS.
UH, REASSESSMENTS WILL BE DONE EVERY TWO YEARS MOVING FORWARD.
UM, BUT, UH, THE, UH, AS YOU SEE, UH, IT FALLS RIGHT LINE WITH THE REASSESSMENTS.
THE, UH, INCREASES AND DECREASES THERE.
WHEN THE REASSESSMENTS OCCURRED, UH, THE ONLY REAL INCREASES THAT WE HAD WAS WHEN WE RAISED IT, UH, THE TAX RATE 2 CENTS AND ALLOCATED A THIRD OF THE 2 CENTS TO GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, LEASE RUN PARKWAY AND WEST MAIN CONNECTOR.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WE DID DECREASE THE, UH, RATE HALF A SENT THERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
UH, THE 2025 OR, YEAH, 2025, UH, PROPOSED BUDGET, UH, DOES INCLUDE AN EQUALIZED, UH, TAX RATE, UH, WHICH IS THE 24 CALENDAR YEAR.
THAT'S WHY IT SAYS PROJECTED UP THERE.
UH, WHEN I SAY EQUALIZED, IT IS, UH, 10 CENTS PER $100 IN VALUE.
UH, LAST YEAR AFTER THE REASSESSMENT.
ONE SENT A REAL ESTATE TAX RATE, THAT $170,086 IN REVENUE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, THE, THE LAST STATEMENT THERE IS INCLUDED HERE ON THE NEXT SLIDE HERE.
UM, PROVIDING YOU GUYS WITH AN IDEA OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE TO RAISE OR LOWER TAX RATES, UH, BY HALF CENT INCREMENTS.
UH, 10 CENTS THAT IS GREEN, RIGHT THERE IS THE TAX RATE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOR 2023 ROLLING OVER.
AND THEN, UH, THE HALF CENT INCREMENTS SHOWS HOW MUCH REVENUE WOULD BE, UH, PICKED UP IF THEY WERE RAISED OR LOWERED BY HALF INCREMENTS, AS WELL AS ON THE BOTTOM THERE, WHAT THE TAX BILLS, UM, WOULD BE SEEN RESIDENCE, UH, BASED UPON A PROPERTY VALUE OF $371,300.
AND I GOOGLED THAT AVERAGE PRICE
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM, IS THE AVERAGE PROPERTY ASSESSMENT, UH, FOR THE TOWN.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE? SO THAT LAST, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, SO IF WE WERE BACK AT THE 13 CENTS, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE BEFORE THE REASSESSMENT, YOU'RE SAYING FOR A $371,000 HOME, IT WOULD COST THAT TAXPAYER ABOUT $483 FOR THE YEAR.
FOUR $83 FOR THE YEAR AND THE,
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UM, UM, IF, UH, IT WOULD, UH, INCREASE OUR REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE BY $536,000.QUESTIONS THERE? BEFORE I MOVE ON? ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT OR COMMENTS? THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO COMMENT OR QUESTION.
I, I PERSONALLY JUST HAVE, UH, SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, OUR LOCAL, ESPECIALLY OUR SECONDARY LOCAL RESIDENTIAL ROADS ARE IN DIRE NEED OF
I THINKING OF, UH, I'M THINKING OF SHERWOOD AVENUE.
I MEAN, IT, THEY'RE VERY, VERY ROUGH.
UM, AND I JUST, UH, IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING THIS YEAR, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I KNOW, I THINK WE'VE ALL DISCUSSED THAT WE'VE BEEN PRETTY BLESSED TO HAVE NOT HAD TO RAISE TAXES.
UM, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE WE LOWERED THEM AND I KNOW THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE LOWERED, I MEAN, WE DID IN 2020, WE LOWERED IT FROM 13 HALF SINCE 13.
BUT, BUT LAST YEAR, THE LOWERING WAS REALLY TO EQUALIZE IT.
IT WASN'T LIKE WE, IT'S NOT LIKE WE ASKED FOR LESS MONEY.
IT WAS, BUT WITH THE REASSESSMENTS NOW THE REASSESSMENTS, THEY'RE GONNA DO 'EM NOW EVERY TWO YEARS.
WE'LL, BUT, SO WILL NEXT YEAR, THAT'S THE REASSESSMENT YEAR.
NEXT YEAR WE'LL HAVE A REASSESSMENT.
UM, AND, UM, YES, IT, IT'LL, UH, YEAH, WE'LL CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE GET THERE.
BUT YES, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE REASSESSMENTS EVERY TWO YEARS, UH, WHICH IS, UH, A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MORE WORK, UH, FOR US AND, UH, FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE.
WELL, I JUST HOPE IT'S NOT FOREVER TO GET 'EM.
'CAUSE THAT WAS TO GET THE REASSESSMENTS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO, BECAUSE THAT'S A FEW YEARS BACK.
THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED TO US THAT WE DIDN'T EQUALIZE.
UM, NOT REAL ESTATE, BUT IT WAS LIKE PERSONAL PROPERTY.
BY THE TIME WE FIGURED IT ALL OUT, IT WAS LIKE IT, WE HAD ALREADY ADVERTISED OUR RATES AND, UM, BUT ANYWAY.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE WHOLE ON REAL ESTATE? ARE YOU GIVEN A RECOMMENDATION FOR, UH, RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, THE 10 CENTS, UH, FOR REAL ESTATE, BUT I MEAN, TO ADVERTISE? YES, THAT'S WOULD BE WHAT YOU ADVERTISE.
UH, THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION.
WHAT WE ADVERTISE IS, UH, BASED UPON WHAT COUNCIL, UH, PREFERS.
BUT THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADVERTISE, BUT YOU HAVE TO, YOU, YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ASKING.
BUT THIS IS MORE FOR THE PUBLIC.
BUT, SO WHATEVER YOU ADVERTISE, YOU CANNOT GO ANY HIGHER, BUT YOU CAN GO LOWER.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF THAT NOW, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE COUNTY'S BEEN DISCUSSING IT.
SO, UH, MY COMMENT ON THAT AND TALKING TO BJ ABOUT A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE GOALS OF THE COUNCIL ARE AND WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH OVER THE NEXT YEAR, UH, THERE IS NO MONEY IN THERE FOR DERELICT PROPERTIES.
THERE'S NO MONEY IN THERE FOR ANOTHER CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
THERE'S NO MONEY IN THERE FOR, UH, HELP FOR JOE.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WALKABILITY IN OUR TOWN, WE HAVE MONEY IN THERE TO FIX THE SIDEWALKS ON VIRGINIA AVENUE, I BELIEVE, WHERE THE NEXT PROJECT'S GONNA BE.
SO, UH, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE FINE WITH THE STATUS QUO AND, AND NOT MAKING PROGRESS IN, IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS, UM, BUT MOVE ON HERE TO PERSONAL PROPERTY AND FOLLOW UP.
SO, PERSONAL PROPERTY, UH, RATES.
SO AS YOU SEE THERE, THE LAST INCREASE FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY, UH, AS FAR AS THE RATE GOES, WAS IN 2010.
UH, I WENT FROM 60 CENTS TO 64 SINCE IN 2011.
AND, AND HAS REMAINED AT 64 CENTS PER $100 SINCE 2011.
UM, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED, THE, THE VALUES, UH, DID, UH, INCREASE THERE A FEW YEARS AGO FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY.
UH, BASED UPON THE 2023 PERSONAL PROPERTY REVENUE, ONE SET OF PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATE IS EQUAL TO $14,055 IN REVENUE.
PRELIMINARY INFORMATION DOES SHOW THAT THE PERSONAL PROPERTY VALUES WILL DECREASE FOR 2024, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN REFLECTED IN OUR 2025 BUDGET.
UM, AND THEN I'VE BROKEN DOWN THE REVENUE THERE ASSOCIATED IN THE 24, UH, IN THE 24 BUDGET THERE SOME PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUE OF 579,000 LICENSE TAX FEES OF 384,000.
AND THEN OUR PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF OF
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$287,865.I'M GONNA POINT THAT OUT AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT HERE ON THE NEXT, UH, UH, SLIDE OR TWO FOR THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF.
UM, THAT IS REVENUE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.
IT'S BASED ON THE CAP SET FROM THE 2005 GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
UM, WE ARE MANDATED TO EQUALIZE OUR PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF RATE, UH, FOR THAT $287,000.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IS THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY, THE VALUES OF VEHICLES HAS GONE UP.
THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE IN THE TOWN HAS GONE UP SINCE 2005, BUT THE AMOUNT CONTRIBUTED TO US AND OTHER LOCALITIES BY THE STATE, UH, REMAINS AT $287,000.
SO, SO IN 19 YEARS, NOTHING'S CHANGED, CORRECT,
UM, I'VE ONLY SHOWN 2018 THROUGH 2023.
UM, AND I'M SHOWING, UH, WHAT THE PERCENTAGES ARE NEXT TO THE, UH, NEXT TO THE YEARS AS TO WHAT THOSE RATES ARE.
UM, LIKE I SAY, WE HAVE TO TRY TO EQUALIZE IT AS BEST WE CAN.
UH, SO I THINK WHEN YOU'RE SPREADING $287,000 ACROSS ALL OF OUR CITIZENS, OBVIOUSLY THAT AMOUNT GETS LOWER EACH YEAR BECAUSE IT HASN'T CHANGED.
UM, BUT WE ARE DOING OUR BEST TO EQUALIZE, I BELIEVE 2022 IS WHEN WE HAD THAT BIG INCREASE.
THAT'S WHY WHERE THE SPIKE IS.
UH, WE BROUGHT IT DOWN THERE A LITTLE BIT IN 2023.
UH, RECOMMENDATION FOR EQUAL PLEASURE.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE TAX RELIEF? RIGHT, SO WE'RE, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA GET LESS MONEY IN THIS YEAR, BUT YOU KNOW, AS THE, AS THE VEHICLES HAVE, YOU KNOW, AS THE DEMANDS UPON DEMAND HAS CHANGED, SO THE REVENUE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE LESS, BUT WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT IN OUR BUDGET.
YES, I'VE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT AS WELL AS I'VE ACCOUNTED FOR IT IN THE RATE FOR THE TAX RELIEF RATE.
SO, MOVING ALONG HERE, UH, JUST A LITTLE GRAPH HERE, SHOWING THE AMOUNT OF, UH, THE BLUE IS THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF, AS YOU SEE THAT'S CONSISTENT.
UH, THE GRAY IS THE VEHICLE LICENSE FEES, DECAL FEES, UM, ALSO KNOWN AS THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN PRETTY CLOSE.
AND THEN THE ORANGE REPRESENTS THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX, THE ACTUAL, UM, AMOUNT THERE.
SO YOU SEE 20, 21, 22, 23, IT DID INCREASE EXPECTING A SLIGHT DECREASE THIS YEAR.
UM, AND AGAIN, JUST REITERATING THAT, UH, 64 CENTS PER $100 FROM 2011 TO 2023.
AND THEN ACCORDING TO THE KELLY BLUE BOOK, NEW CAR PRICES HAVE FALLEN THREE AND A HALF PERCENT.
UH, USED CAR PRICES HAVE FALLEN 4% IN THE LAST YEAR.
UM, AND I FEEL THAT WHAT WE'VE BUDGETED IS GONNA BE CLOSE.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, UNTIL THOSE VALUES COME IN, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE.
WE WON'T KNOW THOSE VALUES, UH, UNTIL, UM, I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY WITH THE KEY BRIDGE ACCIDENT, APPARENTLY THAT'S ALL CAR PARTS, A LOT OF THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS, SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SHORTAGES.
SO THOSE VALUES MIGHT SHOOT BACK UP AGAIN LIKE THEY DID LAST YEAR.
UM, SO NEXT STEP IS TO DIRECT STAFF, UH, TO ADVERTISE TAX RATES TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEN AS WE'VE MENTIONED A COUPLE TIMES, ONCE WE'VE ADVERTISED THE TAX RATES, IT MAY DECREASE, UH, AT THE TIME OF APPROVAL, BUT WE CANNOT, CANNOT INCREASE THOSE.
AND UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE HELD ON APRIL 22ND, ALONG WITH THE BUDGET APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE.
UH, SO WITH THAT, I'M KINDA LOOKING FORWARD DIRECTION.
UM, THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS BUILT, IS BUILT WITH A 64 CENTS TAX RATE OF PERSONAL PROPERTY AND 10 CENTS TAX RATE OF REAL ESTATE, WHICH IS THE SAME AS WHAT WE HAD.
AND THAT IS, UM, STATUTES RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
WE DO, I HAD SOME INTERESTING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SUPERVISORS ABOUT HOW THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO LOOK AT INCREASES TO THE PERSONAL PROPERTY REVENUE TAX VERSUS THE REAL ESTATE.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT A HOUSING CRISIS HERE ALL THE TIME.
THE REAL ESTATE TAX INCREASE ISN'T GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE PASSED ON TO THE RENTERS.
AND WE HAVE A 55 TO 60% RENTAL RATE IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
UM, THEY'RE NOT OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES.
SO THOSE ARE JUST GONNA BE PASSED ON TO RENTERS THAT ARE ALREADY ON A FIXED INCOME.
SO I THINK PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX WOULD BE THE PLACE TO LOOK.
BUT THE ONLY THING I WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THAT IS, IS THERE WAS TALKING TO GENERAL ASSEMBLY ABOUT GOING AWAY WITH PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX.
IT, IT WAS TALK I DON'T, WAS THE 17TH, I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAKE IT ANYWHERE, BUT THERE WAS CERTAINLY TALK, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WITH THE MAKEUP OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY RIGHT NOW THAT IT WILL, BUT I COULD BE WRONG.
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YOU KNOW, AMBER, JUST A COMMENT TO THAT IS, 'CAUSE WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THAT IS, IS EVEN IF PERSONAL PROPERTY, IF COUNSEL HAD, WAS INCLINED TO SAY, WELL MAYBE WE SHOULD RAISE THAT, IT'S REALLY EVEN 1 CENTS IS ONLY GONNA BRING IN $14,000, RIGHT? I MEAN, I JUST THINK TO MYSELF, THAT DOESN'T EVEN PAY, THAT DOESN'T EVEN PAY A PART-TIME SALARY.I WOULDN'T PAY THE PEOPLE DO THE PAPERWORK.
BUT A GLASS OF WINE, HUH?
MM-HMM,
NOT WITH THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN LIKELY THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO.
AND SO AS ALWAYS, THE TOWN CITIZENS GET HIT, HIT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENTLY.
UM, BUT I WILL SAY THIS, SEEING OUR BUDGETS IN THE WAY THAT WE HAD TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE HAD TO DO AND EVEN SOME OF OUR ADJUSTMENTS AND OUR SALARIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND AS COUNCILMAN WOOD POINTED OUT, SOME OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO, I'M, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MORE YEARS WILL BE ABLE TO STAY STATUS QUO.
UM, NOT UNLESS WE HAVE MORE INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, UNLESS WE CAN BRING IN SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BIG THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP US.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T, SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING IS, IS LIKE, IS THAT IDEA OF, AND THAT'S THE THING WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NOT, I'M JUST SAYING I'M STAYING IN MY LANE.
THEY GOTTA DO THEIR OWN THING.
WE'RE ALL IS, UM, THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA SAY IS, IS TO HAVE SUCH A BIG JUMP IS GONNA BE A LITTLE STICKER SHOCK VERSUS I WISH THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A WAY THAT I WISH THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A WAY THAT IT WAS A GRADUAL INCREASE FOR THEM.
AND THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY THING WITH US IS THAT IF, UH, HOPEFULLY WE ARE LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR SAYING, OH MY GOODNESS, WE HAVE TO RAISE IT, YOU KNOW, 6 CENTS AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, WOW, THAT'S A LOT AT ONE TIME.
SO JOE, YOU WANTED TO OFFER IT? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT STAFF DID A REALLY BANG UP JOB ON THE BUDGET THIS YEAR.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU, WE HAD TOUGH, WE HAD A TOUGH TIME BALANCING IT AND I DON'T FEEL THAT CONFIDENT NEXT YEAR ABOUT THAT.
SO I DO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO POSITION OURSELVES OVER THE NEXT YEAR TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT ADDITIONAL REVENUE COMES FOR THESE PROJECTS.
UM, BUT I DID WANTED TO SAY THAT THAT, UH, LAST YEAR WAS A STRUGGLE.
THIS YEAR WAS EVEN MORE OF A STRUGGLE.
AND UM, AND IT'S JUST AT THE END OF THE DAY, COST OF DOING BUSINESS IS GOING UP.
AND THE THING TO REMEMBER IS, IS THAT OUT OF THE $50 MILLION THAT WE MANAGE, ONLY 12 MILLION OF THAT IS TAX BASED.
THE OTHER 30 38 IS SERVICE BASED.
SO WE INCREASE THIS YEAR, TWO AND A QUARTER.
WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE COMING BACK ADVOCATING AN INCREASE IN SOLID WASTE BECAUSE THE COST OF BUSINESS IS GOING UP.
AND I THINK WE'RE IN THAT SAME POSITION WITH TAX DOLLARS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAYBE TRY TO THINK OUT OF THE TRADITIONAL BOX TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA GET SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO DO THESE THINGS.
'CAUSE I'VE GOT A LAUNDRY LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT ARE GONNA COST REAL DOLLARS AND EVEN SALARIES.
LIKE EV INSURANCE, I MEAN, YEAH, INSURANCE.
ALL, I MEAN ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES ARE JUST LIKE THE REST OF US.
YOU KNOW, I WENT TO MARTIN'S TODAY, HOLY MOSES, I FELT LIKE I WAS ONLY BUYING SOMETHING FOR ONE MEAL WHEN I WALKED OUT HERE.
YOU KNOW, I WAS LIKE, WELL I THINK IT'S NOTEWORTHY FOR THIS COUNCIL AND THE CONSTITUENTS AND ALL OF THE PUBLIC TO REALIZE THAT WE'VE BEEN FUNDING LIES AND BAD MONEY PROJECTS FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS AS WELL, WHILE WE HAVEN'T BEEN BURDENING THE TAXPAYERS AND PUTTING THAT ON THEIR BACK.
AND THERE WERE SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT THIS WAS THE LAST YEAR THAT WE HAD TO SET ASIDE THAT MONEY TO FUND.
AND I THINK IT'S NOTEWORTHY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LAWSUITS SPENDING OUR TAX DOLLARS THAT WE PAY AS A COUNCIL TO GO TOWARDS IT HAS CEASED.
AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIVING IN A TIME NOW WHERE FIVE YEARS AGO FROM LAST WEEK, GAS WAS A DOLLAR 89 A GALLON.
AND TODAY IT'S 3 55 A GALLON FOR OIL.
AND YOU GO OVER TO WINCHESTER AND IT'S THREE 15.
AND WE HAVE A LARGE POPULATION OF RENTERS AND WE HAVE A LARGE POPULATION OF ELDERLY ON FIXED INCOMES.
AND NO MATTER WHAT WE DO ON THE TAX SIDE, THE GROCERIES AND THE GAS ARE BURDENING THESE PEOPLE TREMENDOUSLY.
THE COST OF, YOU KNOW, LIVING IS JUST THROUGH THE ROOF.
SO WHILE, YEAH, I WOULD LOVE MY ROAD TO BE PAVED, UM, I THINK EVEN IN GOING BACK TO THE 13 CENT, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO GET THAT DONE.
AND THAT'S A 3 CENT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT.
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OUR FOCUS SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE, LIKE I'VE SAID, FOR TWO YEARS ON FINDING DIFFERENT REVENUE STREAMS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.SO IF ANYTHING, IF I WERE TO BE IN FAVOR OF AN INCREASE, WHICH I DON'T THINK I EVER WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE TO FUND FREEDOM TO BRING IN SOME EMPLOYERS THAT ARE GONNA GENERATE JOBS FOR THE LOCAL PEOPLE AND REVENUE.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE MOST PEOPLE IN FRONT ROYAL WHO WORK LOCALLY WORKING TWO AND THREE JOBS RIGHT NOW JUST TO LIVE.
THAT'S WITHOUT A TAX INCREASE.
THE BIGGEST HOPE WE ALL SHOULD HAVE IS THAT INFLATION GOES DOWN.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY MY BIGGEST HOPE IS, UH, CHANGE IN THE NOVEMBER ELECTION THAT'LL HELP THE COST OF LIVING.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA OFFER, BRUCE? JUST TO, JUST TO TACK ONTO WHAT JOE WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S TWO CHOICES AND COUNCILMAN MORRIS AS WELL.
COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE TAX REVENUE BEFORE, BEFORE WITH COMMERCIAL OR WITH, UH, INDUSTRY COMING IN.
UH, OR THE OTHER CHOICE OBVIOUSLY IS TO RAISE TAXES, WHICH NOBODY REALLY WANTS TO ON THE BACK OF THE TAXPAYERS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS, IS I THINK SOME OF IT IS, IS LAND RELATED OR LIKE THE INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT'S NOT USED FOR INDUSTRIAL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT, I THINK IT'S CLEAR.
SO THE LAST THING I'LL ADD TO THAT IS THAT WHILE WE ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE A VISION FOR A CERTAIN TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT TO EACH OUR OWN OPINION, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE COSTING US THE TAXPAYERS AND THE CONSTITUENTS AND THE PEOPLE MONEY BECAUSE WE LOSE MONEY ON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHILE THAT'S BEEN THE PRIMARY FOCUS BEFORE THIS COUNCIL FOR THE LAST 18 MONTHS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOSE MONEY AND SERVICES TO FUND THOSE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE ONES COME BEFORE US AND PROFFER NOTHING.
SO I THINK IT'S NOTEWORTHY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT BEING OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT, BUT NEEDING TO BE STRATEGIC IN OFFERING SOME TYPE OF BENEFIT OTHER THAN HOUSING TO THE TOWN.
AND I WILL SAY, 'CAUSE I WAS IN A MEETING RECENTLY WHERE THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED AND PEOPLE WERE, PEOPLE WERE STRUGGLING WITH UNDERSTANDING THAT THEIR THOUGHT WAS MORE HOUSES MEANT MORE TAX DOLLARS.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT ISN'T TRUE, THAT THEY DON'T PAY PER, YOU KNOW, THEY PAY REAL ESTATE TAXES, BUT THE SERVICES THAT HAVE TO BE PROVIDED TO THE HOME, I MEAN FAR OUT, FAR OUT, YOU KNOW, FAR OUTPACED WHAT I THINK MAYBE IT MUST HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THE COUNTY WAS TALKING ABOUT, LIKE WHAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR SAFETY AND FIRE SERVICES AND SCHOOLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, BUT EVEN US, WE HAVE THAT.
SO JOSH, DID YOU WANNA I WAS GONNA SAY, NOT TO MENTION THAT, UH, BDOT HAS THEY SO, UH, CERTAINLY IMPORTANT EDUCATED THIS LAST YEAR ABOUT, UH, UH, HOUSING LIKE THAT IT, IT DOESN'T, IT, IT IS NOT A FACTOR IN CONSIDERING ANY FUNDING FOR ROADS.
IT DOESN'T COUNT AS DEVELOPMENT.
SO YOU CAN BUILD A MILLION HOUSES AND THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE, WELL, WE'RE YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS LIKE, MAKES SENSE TO ME, RIGHT? MOST FOLKS THINK THAT, BUT THEY DON'T LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.
BUT HAPPY CREEK PHASE TWO WAS WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF DEVELOPMENT POINTS FOR THAT OF 6 0 6.
AND LARON DO NOT COUNT AS DEVELOPMENT BDOS I, BECAUSE IT IS NOT GENERATING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THEY REITERATED THIS LAST MEETING, REMEMBER? MM-HMM.
THEY LOOK AT SAFETY, UM, AS ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST FACTORS IN, IT'S ACTUALLY NEXT MONDAY NIGHT.
UM, NOT BE OFF TASK, BUT WE JUST DID, I JUST SET THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONDAY NIGHT.
AND ACTUALLY THE, UM, B O'S GONNA, UM, PRESENT ADAM KIM WAS GONNA PRESENT ABOUT THE SARS REPORT.
BUT ANYWAY, BACK TO THE TAX CONVERSATION, WAYNE, MELISSA SAID, UM, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO NO, I'M WITH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IN TIMES LIKE THESE, I RARELY HESITATE TO PUT ANYTHING ON THE BACK OF THE INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY STRUGGLING.
AND THEN I, AND EVEN WITH PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX, I MEAN, I GET THAT, YOU KNOW, MORE PEOPLE OWN VEHICLES AND STUFF, BUT IF THAT'S ALL THEY OWN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GETTING AHEAD EITHER.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE A NO WIN.
WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTA DO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND THE ONLY THING I WAS WONDERING ABOUT WAS, UM, I KNOW I SAW WHERE, UM, DOWN SOME MONEY TOURISM RIGHT FROM, UM, THAT HAS BEEN CARRIED FORWARD.
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MORE OF THAT GO MAYBE TOWARDS FRIDA AND ACTIVITIES? UM, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD, I WOULD WANNA LOOK HARDER AT, IS TO SEE IF ANY OF OUR CARRIED FORWARD MONEY IN THAT DIRECTION COULD BE PUSHED TOWARDS FOR THEIR ACTIVITIES.LASTLY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO COMMEND BJ JOE AND THE TOWN STAFF BECAUSE WHILE WE TALK ABOUT HOW TIGHT THE BUDGET WAS, AND JOE TALKED ABOUT WHAT A GOOD JOB BJ AND HIS STAFF DID ON PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AFTER THE BUDGET SEASON WAS OVER, WE DID PULL OUT MONEY AND FUND RON AND THAT WAS NOT IN OUR LAST BUDGET.
SO, UM, FINDS A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK WHEN THEY HAVE TO.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WON'T BE AS EASY NEXT YEAR, BUT HOPEFULLY ECONOMICALLY THE COUNTRY WILL BE IN A DIFFERENT POSITION NEXT YEAR THAN WE ARE THIS YEAR.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I I JUST, THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT UP PAVING EARLIER WAS THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE VISITORS COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY, WE WANT OUR COMMUNITY TO LOOK, YOU KNOW, AS GOOD AS IT CAN POSSIBLY.
I WANT IT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND CHOOSE TO CALL A HALL.
BUT, BUT ALSO LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO DROP ARE INTERESTED TO COME.
AND, UH, WE WANT TO LEAVE, LEAVE A LASTING IMPRESSION TO THOSE PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALL NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
THERE WAS A TIME
WE ARE NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE.
WALKABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY WE SAID BENEFITED TOURISM.
BOAT, RAMPS, ROADS, AND IT ALL DOES.
BUT IT WAS A STRETCH TO TAKE IT OUTTA TOURISM DOLLARS.
UH, IT'S IN THE BUDGET TO PUT THE LIGHTS ALONG SHE AVENUE.
I GUESS THEY'RE GONNA MIMIC THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE BRIDGE.
AND THAT'S A NICE FEEL GOOD THING.
UM, I THINK OUR NORTHERN ENTRANCE IS PROBABLY THE MOST, UH, APPEALING, BEST LOOKING, BUT THEN IF YOU DRIVE IN ON 55, IT IT, IT'S HARD TO, UH, BALANCE AND SAY WE'RE GONNA SPEND A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS ON LIGHTS TO MAKE A QUARTER MILE STRETCH OF HIGHWAY LOOK GOOD.
WELL, WE STILL HAVE AROUND 55.
THE OTHER THING I'LL DISAGREE IS, UH, 55 AND OLDER COMMUNITY GENERATES REVENUE.
PEOPLE HAVE THE FUNDS, THEY'RE NOT, UH, AFFECTING THE SCHOOLS, THEY'RE NOT AFFECTING SOCIAL SERVICES.
SO KIDS AT 55
UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME OF US WOULD LIKE TO DOWNSIZE AND GO INTO A A ONE STORY HOUSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEN THAT RELIEVES OUR HOUSE TO GO INTO THE HOUSING INVENTORY BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN, AND WE'RE GONNA SEE THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMING UP.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOUSING AND AFFORDABILITY, IT'S GOTTA BE AN INVENTORY THERE.
BUT I JUST DO WANT TO CORRECT THE RECORD ON THAT.
ONE, I JUST WILL SAY ABOUT THE 55 PLUS I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ABOUT NOT USING SCHOOLS, BUT FROM WHAT I RECALL WHEN WE WERE, UH, DOING THE COMP PLAN STUFF IS THAT, BUT THEN THEY ALSO SHIFT MORE IN EMERGENCY SERVICES 'CAUSE MORE AMBULANCE STUFF LIKE THAT.
THAT'S A PAY FOR I I'M JUST SAYING, BUT THAT'S A PAY FOR RIDE.
IT'S NOT USING TAXPAYERS DOLLARS.
IF YOU GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM IN AN AMBULANCE, YOU PAY FOR IT SOMETIMES.
THEY CAN ONLY BILL THREE TIMES AND THEN THEY HAVE TO STOP BILLING.
BUT I MEAN, YOU CAN BE TRANSPORTED AS MANY TIMES AS YOU WANT.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE CALLS THEY'RE DOING NOW, IT'S LIFT ASSIST PUBLIC SERVICE.
AND THOSE ARE, AND MOST OF THEM ARE, BUT IF PEOPLE CAN AFFORD A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE, THEY MAY STILL BE WORKING OR THEY HAVE THE INCOME AND THE INSURANCE PROBABLY TO PAY FOR THIS HOME INSURANCE TO PAY FOR.
ANYWAY, I WANTED TO, UH, ALSO JUST FOR A MOMENT TALK ABOUT SHENDO AVENUE BECAUSE UM, THAT WAS, THAT'S BEEN ON COUNCILMAN LOC.
THAT'S BEEN ON THERE FOR A, A WHILE, BUT NOT YOU PART OF, IF YOU SEE WHAT I DO NOW.
NO, BUT, UM, PART OF THAT WAS, UM, WE, WE WERE GETTING, WE WERE HALF PEDESTRIAN.
THIS WAS DURING MY FIRST TENURE.
SDO AVENUE WERE A HIGH NUMBER OF PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS.
FATALITIES ON SAN SHORES ROAD.
SORRY, I KNEW YOU MEANT, I KNEW CDO AVENUE.
SO THIS STARTED MY FIRST TENURE.
WE DECIDED TO PUT IN PROOF LIGHTING IN THERE.
SO THE LIGHTING IS TO PROVE THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
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LITTLE DID WE KNOW THAT SHEETS WAS COMING DOWN THE BIKE, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL YEARS LATER, WHICH THEN KIND OF CUT DOWN, CUT DOWN THAT FREQUENCY OF PEOPLE TRAVELING ALONG THAT FIVE LANE HIGHWAY.BUT IT'S STILL AN ISSUE THAT JUST SHOWS YOU HOW SLOW MOVING GO COUNCILMAN SHE COUNCIL.
THIS IS REVENUE SHARING, BUT THAT'S THE REASON WE RECEIVED IT WAS FATALITIES ON SOUTH STREET AND CHIN AVENUE THAT LED TO THIS PROJECT.
BUT I WILL SAY THIS, THE COUNCIL TIME HAD THE VISION, THE SITE TO SAY THIS, LET'S DO THIS.
AND WE'VE SET ASIDE THE MONEY AND IT'S SARAH NOW.
AND AND THEN THERE'S REVENUE SHARING INVOLVED WITH THAT TOO.
SO WE WERE ABLE, BUT AS WE'VE ALL LEARNED RECENTLY, OR NOT RECENTLY, OR AT LEAST IN MY TIME, IS THAT THE WHOLE REVENUE SHARING IT, YOU HAVE TO CHECK ALL THESE BOXES.
ONE OF THE BOXES, WHICH IS SADLY HAS TO BE A SAFETY THING.
LIKE YOU ALMOST, I MEAN, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT'S WHY HYPER CREEK ROAD DIDN'T GET IT IS BECAUSE THANK GOD WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF ACCIDENTS OUT THERE AND WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, UH, ALL RIGHT.
SO DO WE GO, ONE LAST THING I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RAISING TAXES AND REAL ESTATE TAXES AND 55 PLUS, UM, YEAH, I JUST LAUGHED AND SAID TO MELISSA, 'CAUSE MY PARENTS HAD A KID AT 55 PLUS, BUT ALSO SENIORS ARE TAX EXEMPT FROM REAL ESTATE TAXES AND A LOT OF, UM, SITUATIONS.
THAT'S ONE THING THAT THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH THE DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE INCREASES FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THERE ARE SENIOR TAX EXEMPTIONS TOO THAT COME WITH THE ELDERLY.
WHAT IS THAT CALLED? IT'S CALLED TAX RELIEF.
RIGHT? WHAT IS ELDERLY? ELDERLY AND DISABLED TAX RELIEF.
AND THERE'S ALSO A VETERAN RELIEF, RIGHT? YEAH.
A HUNDRED PERCENT BETTER VETERAN WHO DON'T PAY.
SO BACK TO, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SORRY, LEVEL YOUR END, WHICH THE TAX RELIEF OR TAX RELIEF? SO THE, UM, FOR THE ELDERLY RELIEF ON REAL ESTATE TAXES, UM, THE, UH, THEY, UH, CAN'T MAKE OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UM, INCOME.
AND I CANNOT REMEMBER THE THRESHOLDS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UM, IT'S RAISED BASED ON, IT'S BASED, IT'S A PERCENTAGE OF THE POVERTY LEVEL.
UM, SO IT DOES INCREASE EVERY YEAR.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THEY HAVE TO BE OVER A CERTAIN AGE OR HAVE A PERMANENT MEDICAL DISABILITY, UM, FOR THAT, UH, FOR THE ELDERLY AND DISABLED, UH, FOR VETERAN RELIEF, UM, AS TO BE A DISABLED VETERAN.
AND THEN, UH, THERE'S NO AGE OR INCOME REQUIREMENT.
THERE'S NO AGE OR INCOME REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN, UH, EVEN IF THE, UH, VETERAN WERE TO PASS AWAY, THE SPOUSE STILL BENEFITS FROM THAT AS LONG AS THEY'RE IN THEIR PROPERTY.
ARE TAXES FORGIVEN OR ARE THEY CARRY IT FORTH UNTIL THE PROPERTY SOLD? SO IN THE, FOR THE ELDERLY EXEMPTION, THEY'RE ENTIRELY FORGIVEN.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE A DEFERRAL PROGRAM.
THE DEFERRAL PROGRAM, UH, WORKS.
IT'S A, IT'S A HIGHER THRESHOLD OF INCOME.
AND, UH, IF THE PROPERTY IS SOLD, WE WILL GO BACK AND COLLECT, UM, UP TO FIVE YEARS OF DEFERRED TAXES AFTER THE FIVE YEARS, UH, THE TAXES ARE WRITTEN OFF.
UM, SO THEY'RE NO LONGER COLLECTING ONE.
SO WE COULD COLLECT UP TO FIVE YEARS, UH, ON THE, UH, DEFERRED STATUS.
BUT THAT, BUT THAT'S INCOME BRINGING IN.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE THOUGH, RIGHT? CORRECT.
LIKE THEY COULD OWN A $500,000 HOME AT 55, BUT IT'S HOW MUCH THEY'RE BRINGING IN, I'M ASSUMING FROM RETIREMENT OR WHATEVER THEY'RE, I MEAN, IT ALSO TAKES INTO OTHER, UH, THERE'S OTHER STIPULATIONS OF THEIR ASSETS.
IT CAN'T BE MULTIPLE DWELLING.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE NUANCES LIKE THAT.
I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE, FOR THE VETERANS, THERE'S NOT.
I HAVE A VETERAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 28 YEARS OLD, BUILDING A $1.2 MILLION HOUSE, AND THEY'RE NOT DEFERRED TILL THE PROPERTY SOLD.
THEY ARE RELIEVED AND FORGIVEN.
AND THE SPOUSE IN HERE SAID AS WELL.
AND THERE ARE NO TAXES BEING PAID ON THOSE TYPES OF PROPERTIES IN FRONT ROYAL, WHICH WE DO HAVE A LARGE VETERAN PRESENCE SINCE WE'RE RIGHT OUTSIDE OF DC AND THE GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS IN THE THREE DIGIT AGENCIES.
WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE, UM, A HIGH NUMBER OF PEOPLE AS WELL, BUT WE HAVE A HIGH NUMBER OF DISABLED PEOPLE.
AND THEN AS POPULATION GETS OLDER, I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE MIGHT QUALIFY FOR THAT.
IT'S THE WORKING CLASS THAT IT'S GONNA BURDEN.
SO THE BACK TO BACK TO TWO B, WE NEED TO GIVE STAFF, UM, WE NEED TO GIVE STAFF OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THE REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATES.
THAT, THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE GO.
SO YOUR YOUR SUGGEST IS YOUR SUGGESTION IS TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS.
SUGGEST AMBER, THIS YEAR, I CANNOT BE IN FAVOR OF RAISING TAXES.
WHEN Y'ALL SAY NO, Y'ALL MEAN NO,
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NO.YOU COULD TELL WE'RE DATING OURSELVES.
THE YOUNGER GENERATION WOULDN'T HAVE ANY.
NO, I DON'T WANT TO RAISE TAXES.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE BOOK.
SO, AND THEN SEE IS, IS THE ADVERTISEMENT OF ANNUAL APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE FOR YEAR ENDING JUNE 30TH, 2025.
THIS IS BASICALLY ON HERE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
UM, WE'RE NOT RAISING THE TAXES.
THE ADVERTISEMENT THAT'S BEEN INCLUDED IN THE, UH, IN THE DOCUMENT, UH, DOES REFLECT, UH, NOT INCREASING, UH, TAXES AS WELL AS AN INCREASE FOR THE, UH, SEWER RATES OF TWO AND A QUARTER PERCENT.
AND IT ALSO INCLUDES THE INCREASE FOR SOLID WASTE.
UM, AND WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO SOLID WASTE, UH, HERE IN THE NEXT, UH, COUPLE OF, OR FEW MONTHS, UH, WITH SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
BUT, UM, UNLESS THERE'S NOT ANY QUESTIONS, WE'LL ADVERTISE AS THE WAIT, YOU'RE SAYING THE SOLID WASTE THAT, 'CAUSE THIS JUST TALKS ABOUT PERSONAL PROPERTY, REAL ESTATE AND THE SEWER RATE.
SO ARE YOU BRINGING BACK SOLID WASTE IS GONNA COME BACK? IT'S BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE BUDGET.
AND, UM, A PART OF THAT DYNAMIC IS MAIN STREET, WHICH RIGHT.
IT'S BEEN INCORPORATED IN HERE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT BEFORE JULY ONE.
NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE BEFORE JULY ONE NECESSARILY.
WE HAVE SOME CONTINGENCY BUILT IN, I'M SORRY.
UH, WE HAVE SOME CONTINGENCY BUILT IN, UH, TO THE BUDGET.
UM, BUT WE NEED TO WORK OUT THE, THE LOGISTICS AND EXACTLY HOW IT'S GOING TO FLOW.
WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT WE'LL COME BACK SHORTLY.
UM, IT'LL BE RIGHT AROUND JULY, MAYBE JUNE, MAYBE JULY, SOMEWHERE AFTER.
I'M SURE EVERYBODY WILL JUST LOOK AT, THEY'LL, THEY'LL TEE OFF ON, WE'VE GOT A SEWER RATE INCREASE INSTEAD OF RECOGNIZING THAT WE'RE NOT RAISING TAXES, BUT WE'LL KNOW.
SO MAYBE I'M IN THE WRONG TAX BRACKETS.
WE LIVE IN HERE, ANNIE, SO WE'RE MOVING ON.
UNLESS ANYBODY WANTS TO SUDDENLY CHANGE THEIR MIND RIGHT NOW.
ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO PAY MORE TAXES, GIVE, WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL TAKE DONATIONS.
PROBLEM IS WE, WE GOT AN OAK OR A HICKORY OR IF WE GOT A JAPANESE MAPLE OR
HEY, SO THREE A IS THE OUT OF TOWN UTILITY CONNECTION APPLICATION.
AND MR. WALTZ IS GONNA LEAD THAT CONVERSATION, OR, WELL, IT SAYS YOUR NAME BESIDE IT.
THERE'S REALLY NO LEAD FOR YOU, IS THERE? NO, THERE ISN'T.
UM, I, I THINK TONIGHT'S ISSUE IS TO ADDRESS THE OUT OF TOWN WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION.
UH, JUST TO REITERATE WHAT I, UH, INFORMED Y'ALL LAST WEEK, WE DID VERIFY THE CORPORATE BOUNDARY LIMIT IS ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
THE, THE WEST CHRYSLER ROAD IS NOT IN THE CORPORATE LIMITS, BUT WE DO OWN THAT PROPERTY THAT THAT WEST RYER ROAD IS ON, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
UM, AND WE DO ALONG THAT CHURCH, THE PROPERTY LINE, OUR PROPERTY LINE IS, IS ROUGHLY APPROXIMATELY 10 FEET BEYOND THE PAVEMENT ON THE WEST RYER ROAD SECTION.
SO THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DOES COUNSEL WANT TO DO? UM, I WILL SAY THAT SINCE THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, WE HAD, UM, CHA, UH, PRESENTED TO US ON OUR WATER SITUATION, OUR LIMITS, OUR, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T JUST ON WATER, BUT IT WAS ALSO ON, UM, SEWER AS WELL.
AND, AND I THINK A LOT, MOST PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM AT THAT NIGHT WE'RE SAYING THIS WOULD'VE BEEN GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE HAD BEFORE WE EVEN STARTED DOWN THIS PATH.
JUST REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND OUR WATER SITUATION AND WHAT WE, UM, IN THE TOWN FRONT, ROYAL AND IN THE CORRIDOR, WERE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE WATER TO ANYBODY IN OUR TOWN LIMITS.
AND WHAT WAS IT, WAS IT 860,000? WHAT WAS IT? 860,000 WE HAD RIGHT NOW THAT YEAH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PLANT CAPACITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WATER WAS 800 AND SOME THOUSAND, BUT THE SEWER WAS LIKE SEWER 400 SOMETHING.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE NOW THAT, UM, WE CAN'T REQUIRE A SIDEWALK.
UM, AND YEAH, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WHEN CHA TALKED ABOUT THE SEWER SITUATION OR THE PUMP STATION, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL RECALL THIS PART OR NOT, BUT, UM, RIVERTON, UM, AND AT CREEK WERE THE
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TWO THAT ARE NOT WHERE WE, WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO BE.AND THE RIVERTON STATION ACTUALLY, UM, SERVED VISCO CITY, WHICH IS THIS AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE, UM, AND I KNOW WHEN THEY BROUGHT IT UP, I SAID, UM, OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
I SAID, WAIT, SO THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS NIGHT, THIS, NOT THIS NIGHT, BUT I SAID WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE, UM, THAT CORNER OF KREER AND VRAY WOULD BE PART OF THAT PUMP STATION THAT WE'RE ALREADY SAYING THAT RIVERTON IS THE ONE THAT'S GOT THE GREATEST NEED RIGHT NOW.
JOE, IS IT RIVERTON IS THE ONE RIVERTON AND HAPPY CREEK, THE ONES THAT HAS CROOKED RUN BECAUSE RIVERTON, EVERYTHING FROM CROOKED RUN FEEDS IN, INTO RIVERTON BEFORE PUMPING BACK TO THE STATION.
BUT, BUT HE SAID THAT THAT COVERED VISCO CITY, WHICH THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
I MEAN THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED.
ISCO CITY, IF YOU PRECISE THAT.
TODD'S EIGHT, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED.
SO ANYWAY, UM, COUNSEL JUST NEEDS TO DECIDE WHERE THEY ARE WITH THAT.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PLAN IS OR, OR YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR DRUTHERS ARE.
THERE WILL NOT BE ANY, IT'S OUTSIDE OF COUNTY.
SO THERE WILL BE NO, UM, REAL ESTATE TAXES AND THE FIRST THREE, IF, IF THE TOWN DECIDES TO PROVIDE WATER THERE, UH, UNLIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS THERE, NOT BUSINESS, ANY OTHER, WELL, I GUESS THEY AREN'T ALL BUSINESSES COULD, WELL ANYWAY, ANYBODY ELSE ON RAZA ROAD, UH, WOULD NOT, UM, THAT ARE PAYING DOUBLE, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY WOULD GET THE FIRST 3000 GALLONS FREE.
SO THERE WOULD BE NO, NO TAX BENEFIT AND 3000 GALLONS WOULD BE GIVEN AWAY BECAUSE IT'S A CHURCH.
YOU HAD SAID THAT WE OWN THE PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD ABOUT 10 FEET OFF THE PAVEMENT.
THAT PROPERTY ADJOINS THEIR PROPERTY.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM THAT WE CAN'T REQUIRE SIDEWALK THERE SINCE THEY ARE ADJACENT TO OUR PROPERTY.
I THINK IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO WHAT DOES THE COUNCIL WANT? IF THE COUNCIL WANTS A SIDEWALK ALONG ACROSS THE ROAD, WHICH AGAIN, I'VE BEEN HERE LONG WITH HEARD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT, I'VE HEARD, UH, WE'VE APPLIED FOR A GRANT.
THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN'S IMPORTANT TO US.
AND I ASKED YOU ALL THE QUESTION BACK IN JANUARY, DO YOU WANT THE TOWN CITIZENS TO PAY FOR THIS? WHEN THE CHURCH SAID THESE TWO OF THE MEETINGS, THEY WERE WILLING TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK.
THEY HAD DONE A STUDY, THEY KNEW HOW MUCH IT WAS GONNA COST, AND THEY WOULD PUT IN A SIDEWALK FOR ALONG THEIR DOWN, NEAR THEIR PROPERTY IN EXCHANGE FOR IN TOWN WATER.
IT, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU ALL WANT.
I DIDN'T, I HEARD THEY WERE WILLING TO, THEY WERE GONNA PUT IN A SIDEWALK.
THEY SAID THEY'D GIVE US 125,000 TOWARDS THOUSAND TOWARDS, SHE STOOD RIGHT UP THERE AND SAYS, YEAH, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
WE, WE'VE DONE A STUDY, IT'S GONNA COST US 120.
THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE HAD UTILITIES UNDER THERE.
YEAH, WHY DOES ON THE GROUND? BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA, IT'S DONE UNDER, WE'VE GOT WATER AND SEWER THERE TOO.
I I I'M NOT GONNA DEBATE AN ENGINEERING COST.
IT, UM, THEY WERE OFFERING, I MEAN, YOU DON'T FEEL THEY CAN DO IT FOR THAT.
THERE'S NO WAY THE CHURCH CAN BUILD IT FOR 125 AND IT'S GONNA COST US TWO AND A HALF MILLION.
AND IT'S NOT THE TOWN'S ELECTRIC, IT WAS DOMINION OR SOMEBODY.
NO, I, THAT'S NOT IN THE WAY DRIVING.
I THOUGHT IN WAY THE SIDEWALK, AND I'M NOT, I MEAN I'M NOT, UH, I HAVE LOOKED AT IT, BUT I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.
I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH WHAT YOU SAID, BUT I THOUGHT THEY ORIGINALLY, THERE WAS THE DISCUSSION OF THEY WOULD, THEY WERE WILLING TO TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
THEY WERE WILLING TO DO THE SIDEWALK.
BUT THEN AT THE LAST MEETING WHEN THEY GOT UP AND TALKED, AND THEN THE LADY FROM THE CHURCH ACTUALLY STOOD UP AND SAID THAT WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT WAS A HUNDRED WAS 125,000, OR MAYBE IT WAS 150, 125,000 PLUS OR MINUS 25% OF WHAT THEIR ENGINEER SAID.
NOW, IF WE ENTERED AN AGREEMENT THAT SAID YOU'LL BUILD THIS OUT OFF THE BEAT UP STANDARDS FROM THIS POINT TO THAT POINT, IN EXCHANGE, WE WILL GIVE YOU THAT.
WHETHER IT COSTS 125,000, 500,000, A MILLION DOLLARS, THAT'S, IT'S NOT ON US.
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I THINK WE'VE GOT MISINFORMATION AT TIMES FOUR.MAYBE THEY HAVE BAD INFORMATION.
BUT THEY, THE LADY FROM GREENWAY ENGINEERING SAID 125,000 PLUS OR MINUS 25%.
NOW IF THEY SAY WE'RE WILLING TO DO IT UP TO THAT, THEN I'D SAY NO.
I NORMALLY DON'T, WE DON'T DO THIS, BUT I'M GONNA DO IT TONIGHT.
UM, GREEN, MARISSA IS HERE FROM GREENWAY, RIGHT? YES, I'M HERE.
YEAH, I THINK SHE'S IMPORTANT IN THE CONVERSATION.
MELISSA, WHICH PART OF WHICH, COULD YOU CLARIFY FOR US WHAT THE, WOULD YOU WANNA COME UP HERE? YES.
I MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT WELL, IT'S EASIER HOME HERE.
WELL, MARISSA WAS HERE THE LAST I'M TALKING.
BUT THEN THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ACTUALLY FROM THE DIOCESE WERE THE ONES THAT SAID THEY HAD CALCULATED A HUNDRED, THEY WERE WILLING TO DO 125,000.
I MEAN THAT PART, I KNOW I HEARD THAT PART, BUT MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD
SO INITIALLY WE SAID THAT WE WOULD CONSTRUCT THE SIDEWALK AND THEN WE MET WITH THE COUNTY OUT THERE, MET WITH JOE OUT THERE AND WE REALIZED LOOKING AT IT, THAT WITH THE WHOLE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT GOING ON, IF WE CONSTRUCTED THE SIDEWALK WITHOUT THE TOWN KNOWING WHEN THEY WERE GONNA BE READY TO CONSTRUCT THE SIDEWALK AND EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS GONNA BE LOCATED AT, IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO THE SIDEWALK.
AND THAT'S WHY WE SAID THAT WE GOT, UH, OUR ENGINEER, HE CALCULATED IN CURB INLET, THE ACTUAL SIDEWALK ITSELF, HANDICAP RAMPS, UM, AND STORMWATER.
AND HE CAME UP WITH 125,000 JUST TO CONSTRUCT THAT SIDEWALK ON THE AREA OF ER FOR THAT PROPERTY.
WE DIDN'T CALCULATE IN MOVING UTILITY POLES UTIL YEAH.
ANY ROAD WORK THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT WAS JUST MAINLY THE SIDEWALK.
SO WHAT YOU, AGAIN, WE GO BACK TO UTILITY POLES.
WHAT UTILITY POLES DO WE HAVE TO MOVE? AS I SAID, WE HAVE TO MOVE ABOUT THREE OF 'EM.
I SHOWED YOU DESIGN, I CAN SHOW YOU DESIGN.
AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY DESIGN THAT NEEDS TO BE VETTED, BUT IT IS ON THE HIGH END.
BUT I AM NOT PREPARED TO WHITTLE DOWN THAT BID RIGHT NOW.
I'M GONNA STAND ON WHAT THE ENGINEER, A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER DESIGNED THAT THAT SIDEWALK FOR IN THAT BEDDED COST IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO WHEN YOU DO THAT WORK IN THERE.
YOU GOTTA PUT THE CARBON GUTTER TO PROTECT THE PAVEMENT.
YOU'VE GOTTA DO A LOT OF STUFF.
I MEAN, WE COULD PUT A HUNDRED 500 BUCKS SIDEWALK, BUT THERE AIN'T GONNA BE NO CARBON GUTTER.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE NO FIXING THE PAVEMENT.
AND AS I SAID BEFORE, I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN FOR ME AND STAFF IS NOT THAT SEGMENT OF SIDEWALK.
IT IS THE SIDEWALK FROM SKYLINE VISTA UP TO THREE 40 WHERE WE HAVE SCHOOL CHILDREN WALKING IN THE ROAD RIGHT NOW.
AT LEAST THAT SEGMENT FROM SKYLINE VISTA TO LARAY HAS SOMEWHAT OF A BARRIER.
EVEN IF IT IS A BIKE PATH, AT LEAST IT IS SAFE PASSAGE.
SO MY CONCERN IS NOT RIGHT NOW ON, I MEAN, YEAH, WE WANT TO PUT A SIDEWALK, BUT MY CONCERN IS ON THE OTHER PART OF WEST CHRYSLER ROAD AND CARS ARE PARKING PARALLEL ON THE ROAD THERE, WHEN I DROVE DOWN THROUGH IT THIS WEEKEND TO GO TO A BASKETBALL TOURNAMENT, I MEAN, IT'S NARROW.
SO YOU HAVE WOODS ON ONE SIDE AND CARS ON THE OTHER AND MM-HMM,
SO BACK TO, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, YEAH, I LOOKED AT IT WHAT WE, I JUST, WHICH WAS BACK TO, AND I KNOW I'M THE ONE WHO THREW OUT THE STATEMENT THAT THAT UM, THAT WE COULDN'T REQUIRE IT OR WHATEVER.
AND, BUT YOU COULD OFFER IT, BUT THE OFFER IS, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR OFFER, I KNOW IT'S NOT THE OFFER'S OFFER, BUT THE OFFER IS 125,000, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY, WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT.
UM, AND I THINK EVEN THE LADY MENTIONED TOO SOMETHING ABOUT LIKE BY THE TIME THEY DID THE TAPS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT THE 125,000 WAS ALL THEY WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO, TO GO WITH THAT.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MARISSA? WELL, YES, I'M SO SORRY, BUT WHEN DID THE CAVEAT, THEIR 125,000 THAT THE 125,000 WAS, WE GIVE THEM IN TOWN RATES AND IN TOWN TAP FEES.
IT'S JUST, YEAH, IF THEY, IN ALL HONESTY, I THINK THAT THEIR EXPECTATIONS, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S AN, THAT IS AN ASK.
IF THEY COULD CONNECT FOR THE IN TOWN RATE, THEY WOULD BE RIGHT.
WELL SURE, BECAUSE
AND IF THE REGULAR BILLS WERE OUT OF TOWN, YOU KNOW, MY PROBLEM, WE, WE'VE GOTTA THINK ABOUT, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MARISSA? 'CAUSE IF NOT, I'M GONNA HAVE HER GO AHEAD AND SIT BACK DOWN SO COUNSEL CAN CONTINUE THEIR DISCUSSION.
DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR OKAY, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
I DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, HERE WE GO AGAIN.
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WE'RE DOING THE, THE WHOLE NORTH SIDE QUARTER.WE GOTTA THINK ABOUT OUR PEOPLE IN TOWN.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS PAST YEAR AND WE'RE GONNA GIVE WATER TO PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT OF THE CAR.
WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CITIZENS IN TOWN THAT ARE PAYING THE TAXES TO MAKE THE, TO MAKE THE TOWN RUN BEFORE WE STEP OUT OF TOWN AND START GIVING WA AND START HAVING WATER.
HAVE PEOPLE BUY THE WATER AND PAY FOR THEIR SEWER RATES TO US.
LET'S TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE IN TOWN FIRST.
WELL, I, I, MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S MY
NO, BUT I, I'M NOT, I'M JUST, I WASN'T, YES AND NO, AND I'M JUST LISTENING TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
I WANNA GIVE EVERYBODY THE CHANCE TO SAY, GO AHEAD, MELISSA.
MY MY QUESTION IS, IF WE CHARGE THE OUTTA TOWN RATE, UM, FOR THEM, DOES THAT OVER TIME, DOES THAT AT ALL PAY FOR THE STRAIN ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR IN ANY WAY BOOST THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF, I GUESS IT'S, IT'S RIVERTON, RIGHT? THAT'S COMING DOWN ON STATION.
SO, UM, WILL THAT, WILL THAT HELP? I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE ANY BENEFIT TO THE CONNECTION, BUT I I I THINK LOOKING AT THEIR RECOMMENDED IN THE APPLICATION, THEY, THEY STATED 4,000 GALLONS A DAY.
YOU KNOW, WE PRODUCE 2 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
SO, UH, IT'S A SMALL USER OR AT LEAST WHAT THEY'RE PROJECTING FOR THEIR USAGE FOR THAT.
SO PROPORTIONATELY THEY'RE NOT, IF WE GAVE THEM THE OUT 10 RATE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA CRASH THE SYSTEM.
I GUESS WHAT RIGHT? SO YOU LOOK AT, IT'S NOT GONNA FINANCIALLY BENEFIT EITHER.
SO AN AVERAGE HOME WILL USE ABOUT ROUGHLY MAYBE 260 GALLONS A DAY.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE PROPOSING 4,000.
SO JUST TO BACK SOME NUMBERS UP, WE WERE TALKING 800,000.
SO THE HAPPY CREEK AREA BY RIGHT.
YOU CAN BUILD ABOUT 1300 HOMES OUT THERE THAT WE HAVE TO SERVE WITH WATER THAT IS 338,000 GALLONS BASED ON TWO AND A HALF PEOPLE AT A HUNDRED GALLONS PER PERSON.
JUST TO GIVE YOU WHAT WE ARE ALREADY PROMISED TO SERVE IN THE CORPORATE LIMITS.
AND TWO INDUSTRIES IN THE CORRIDOR.
IF, IF TWO INDUSTRIES DECIDED, YOU KNOW, IT TO POP UP IN THE CORRIDOR, THAT THAT'S A LEVEL, I MEAN I GUESS IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE INDUSTRY.
WHAT, WHAT DO THERE'S NO RIGHT OF SERVICE.
SO THOSE, WE CAN INDUSTRIAL USERS, THERE'S NO RIGHT.
WHAT'S CORRIDOR, BUT WHAT ABOUT ANY OF THE BUSINESSES IN LIKE, UH, RIVER OR COMMONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? COMMERCIAL? YEAH, THOSE WE COMMERCIAL IN THE CORRIDOR OWNED, LIKE RIGHT.
BUT WE, WE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE WATER TO THEM COMMERCIAL IN THE CORRIDOR, RIGHT? YES.
I THINK ALSO THE SUBJECT TO PILOT OF COURSE, WHICH IS A CORRECT RECOVERY OF TAXES.
THEY PAY TOWN IN TOWN RATES THOUGH IN THE CORRIDOR, RIGHT? RIGHT.
WELL, I, I I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT THERE'S, WHAT YOU GOT, YOU GOT A UH, REST HOME OUT THERE ON THAT, ON ACROSS THE ROAD YOU HAVE NORTHWESTERN, YOU HAVE AN MASONIC LODGE, YOU HAVE THE SCHOOL AND THE SAFETY BUILDING AND EVERY, EVERYBODY HAS WATER SEW, RIGHT? YES.
SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GIVING WATER AND SEWER.
IN FACT, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SEPTIC IN THAT LOCATION.
UH, I DON'T REALLY PREFER TO HAVE SEPTIC, UM, BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S GOING TO DRAIN INTO THE, IF THERE'S EVER A PROBLEM, UH, WE COULD HAVE AN ISSUE IN THE RIVER.
IF IT BROKE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GO INTO THE GROUND, THE GROUNDWATER.
YOU'RE SAYING IF WHATEVER THEY BUILT FOR SEPTIC SYSTEM, IF THEY DON'T BUILD IT RIGHT, IT COULD POLLUTE THE, COULD BE A PROBLEM.
I WOULD HOPE WHOEVER IS INSPECTING IT THOUGH WOULD BE, WELL IT'S SEPTIC.
AND THEN WHAT IS THAT A HUNDRED YEAR, UH, FLOOD PLANE DOWN THERE? 500 YEARS.
SO, UM, AND THE OTHER THING IS THERE, THEIR PEAK, THEIR PEAK USAGE WAS BASED ON 4,000 GALLONS, WHICH WAS ON A SUNDAY.
THEIR HIGHEST PICK USES WOULD BE ON A SUNDAY, UM, FROM WHAT I READ IN THERE.
BUT THE APPLICATION HAD MORE THAN JUST A, A PLACE FOR SERVICES APPLICATION.
WELL THIS WAS, WELL THEY WANTED, HAD AN ACTIVITY BUILDING AND OTHER THINGS, LITTLE AUXILIARY
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BUILDING AND DOWN THE ROAD THEY WANT TO BUILD A CHAPEL.SO, BUT YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO BRING THOSE TWO POINTS UP, UM, TO TRY TO BRING THE, THE REALITY OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TODAY.
WHAT WE'RE REALLY DEALING WITH TODAY IS THE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE THIS THING TO THE NORTH, THE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT.
SO SO TO TO BRING THE ROAD OR TO THE SOUTH, TO BRING THE ROAD, THE ROAD IN, INTO, UH, TO MAKE SURE THE ROAD'S INTO TOWN.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I SAW ON THE MAP OF THE LAYOUT.
WE, OUR ROAD IS NOT IN THE CORPORATE LIMITS, BUT WE OWN THE LAND.
SO WE WOULD, MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO REQUEST A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT JUST FOR THE ROAD SO THAT THE ROAD WOULD BE IN THE CORPORATE LIMITS.
BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T IMPACT, IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE CHURCH DOESN'T IMPACT THIS WHOLE DECISION AT ALL.
WHICH I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THEY WON'T GIVE IT BECAUSE WE OWN THE I AGREE THAT, OKAY.
SO THOSE, THOSE ARE THE COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE TONIGHT.
ANYBODY ELSE? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JOE AND GEORGE.
'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE A, A LITTLE BIT IGNORANT TO THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION.
NOW, AFTER TONIGHT, I WANNA SIDEWALK, I CARE ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE KIDS.
I'VE SAID THAT MY ENTIRE TWO, THREE YEARS ON COUNCIL.
BUT IF WE CAN'T SAY WE'RE GIVING YOU WATER FOR THE 125 AND 25% VARIANCE, AND THEN IF IT COMES BACK 500,000, THAT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM.
LIKE LEGALLY WE CAN'T WRITE THAT UP IN THE CONTRACT AS A CONDITION FOR WATER.
WELL, I MEAN, I ASKED THIS LAST TIME I THOUGHT, AND I THOUGHT WE COULDN'T JUST TAKE THE 125,000 AND PUT IT ASIDE FOR OUR FUTURE SIDEWALK AND IMPROVEMENT.
IF THERE'S A WAY TO BRING THAT IN, THAT 1 25, I DON'T BELIEVE IT CAN BE THROUGH THE WATER AND SEWER, BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, THAT WOULD MAKE THOSE RATES ARGUABLY UNREASONABLE.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING LIKE THE RATES HAVE TO BE REASONABLE.
THERE'S NO WAY TO, EVEN IF IT'S, LET ME JUST SAY EVEN IF IT'S OUT OF TOWN, THERE'S AN UNDERLYING PRINCIPLE THAT THE RATES HAVE TO BE REASONABLE.
SO I WOULD BE CONCERNED, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT MONEY COMING IN AS PART OF A RATE, WHETHER IT BE SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT, CHARGE, WELL IN EXCHANGE FOR IT.
NOW COULD IT COME IN SOME OTHER WAY? MAYBE, MAYBE UM, SO THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD IS WE'RE TALKING TWO DIFFERENT FUNDS.
SO YOU'RE KIND OF MINGLING THE MONEY AND, RIGHT.
SO, SO I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANY WAY TO DO IT OVER LAST.
AND I DON'T KNOW IT, ME AND GEORGE WERE TALKING, WE DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD OFFER THEM AN IN TOWN.
IF THEY'RE OUTTA TOWN, THE CODE SAYS IT'S TIMES TWO.
SO THAT IS ANOTHER, UH, OBSTACLE OF PROVIDING THEM IN TOWN WATER RATES WHEN THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF TOWN AND WE WON'T PROFIT ANYTHING OFF OF IT TO IMPROVE RIVER TIP BECAUSE THEY ALSO GET THE FIRST HOWEVER MANY GALLONS PER FIVE, 3000.
ACTUALLY, I WANNA LOOK AT THAT ISSUE ALSO.
'CAUSE THAT MAY ONLY APPLY TO IN TOWN USERS.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY, I'M AWARE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY REVIEW IT.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT, 'CAUSE THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.
WE HAVE CHURCHES OUT OF TOWN THAT WE PROVIDE WATER TO.
AND THEY GET THE FIRST 3000 GALLONS.
THAT MAY ESTABLISH A PRECEDENT SURPRISE.
THAT'S SUCH A, IT'S VERY GIVING, ESPECIALLY IT'S CHURCH.
UM, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T A WAY TO TAKE THEM UP ON THE OFFER OF THE 125,000 FOR THE HYPOTHETICAL SIDEWALK THAT CAN'T BE FUNDED BY 125.
THEY COULD GIVE US A GIFT FOR CONTRIBUTIONS TO A FUTURE SIDEWALK, BUT LIKE THAT'S YEAH, BUT I, BUT, BUT THAT'S ALL I KNOW.
BUT THAT WAS FOR IN TOWN RATES.
AND WE, AND WE CAN'T, CAN'T PROVIDE PRO QUO OF, RIGHT.
I JUST, JOSH, WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST LISTENING TO EVERYTHING.
EITHER GIVE THEM WATER IN AN OUTTA OF TOWN OR EIGHT OR DON'T GIVE THEM WATER AT ALL.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S, IT'S ONLY TWO DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE LOGICALLY RIGHT NOW THAT WE CAN MAKE CLEANLY MAKE, I SHOULD SAY.
SO MELISSA, DID YOU, WELL, YOU, WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU.
JOSH, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? NO, I WANT, I WANT TO GIVE THEM WATER AT THE OUT OF TOWN RATE
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IS WHERE I'M STANDING AT THIS MOMENT.JOSH, DO YOU, OR GLEN, YOU, ANYBODY ELSE WANNA, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY WE'RE WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.
YEAH, NO, I'M JUST SAYING, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE VOTING ON IT TONIGHT, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING.
JOE, WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY? UM, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THAT STAFF AND I, WE ALL FEEL THAT THAT SIDEWALK IS IMPORTANT AND NEEDS TO BE THERE.
WE JUST WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME CONNECTING THE DOTS WITH THE WATER IN THE SIDEWALK.
UM, OBVIOUSLY I, I THINK THE CHURCH HAS BEEN, UM, AT THE TABLE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE US ON THE SIDEWALK.
AND I THINK, UM, BUT I, I DO BELIEVE TONIGHT WE, WE NEED TO DECIDE IF WE WANNA PROVIDE OUTTA TOWN WATER.
UH, MY OPINION, I'LL HAVE TO LET GEORGE WEIGH ON THIS, BUT I, THE WAY I READ IT, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON APRIL 22ND TO ADD THAT PARCEL INTO THE MORATORIUM IN CHAPTER 1 34 1D AND THEN I'M GONNA SAY THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT, BUT I DO BELIEVE WE COULD PROBABLY PROVE THE OUT OF TOWN CONNECTION THAT SAME MEETING AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ADD THAT SEGMENT.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT TRYING HAVE TO VERIFY THAT, BUT, UM, THAT WAS MY THOUGHT PROCESS MOVING FORWARD.
I HAVE A QUESTION, IF WE WOULD EVER, IT'S HYPOTHETICAL, BUT IF WE WOULD EVER GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE THOSE THAT WE ARE REQUIRED, THAT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE WATER TO THOSE THAT ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE TOWN OF ROCK ROYAL, IS THERE EVER ANY, IS, WOULD IT EVER BE ALLOWED TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO ANYBODY THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE CORPORATE LIMITS TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE CAN NO LONGER PROVIDE WATER TO YOU? I, I'M, I'M ASKING OH, OUTSIDE THE CORPORATE LIMITS? YEAH.
OUR CODE SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT IN CHAPTER 1 34 IN C IT SAYS THAT BEFORE YOU CAN, UM, ENTERTAIN A OUT OF TOWN WATER REQUEST, FIRST THING YOU LOOK AT IS BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT, WHICH WE, WE DEFINITELY LOOKED AT THAT.
AND THEN NEXT YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE IF YOU HAVE ADEQUATE RESOURCES BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY PUT THEM IN THE MORATORIUM AREA.
SO I, I KIND OF CHECKED THOSE BOXES BECAUSE WE JUST HAD THAT REPORT FROM CHA.
SO WE DO KNOW WHAT OUR CURRENT LIMITATIONS ARE.
I'M SAYING MY QUESTION IS NOT ABOUT, NOW MY QUESTION IS, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, WE, NONE OF US MAY EVEN BE 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
YOU KNOW, THERE IS INDUSTRY OR OTHER THINGS OR THESE 1300 HOMES GET BUILT OR SOMETHING ELSE.
AND WE SAY WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR THIS WATER AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO CHANGE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
DO, DO WE ARE, ARE WE LEGALLY ABLE TO GO BACK THEN AND SAY WE CANNOT PROVIDE WATER ANY LONGER? THAT'S, I KNOW IT, I KNOW IT'S A TOUGH QUESTION.
I'M ASKING PROVIDE THIS DISCONTINUED SERVICE OF OUT OF TOWN.
I'M ASKING, OH, WELL WE WERE THERE LAST YEAR.
DON'T WANT, WANNA GO THERE, BUT YES.
IT IT, IT EVEN UNDERPINS THE CORRIDOR AGREEMENT.
CORRIDOR AGREEMENT IS BASED ON EXCESS CAPACITY.
IF IT CAME TO THAT, YES, WE GOT THE CORRIDOR.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE IDEAL SITUATION I'M ASKING BECAUSE AS I SAID, WE ARE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE WATER AND LISTENING TO CH A'S REPORT, YOU KNOW, UM, IF WE HAD TO SPEND A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO EXPAND OUR CAPACITY MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE COLLECTING FROM OTHER PEOPLE FOR OUT OF TOWN RATES, WE MAY END SOMEBODY, A FUTURE COUNCIL MAY END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY SAY, WE CAN NO LONGER DO THIS.
I'M NOT SAYING IT WILL EVER HAPPEN.
THAT THAT IS KIND OF A DOOMSDAY SCENARIO.
BUT, BUT HONESTLY, THIS PAST SUMMER YEAH.
WE THOUGHT ABOUT WE WERE IN A DOO THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE EVER GONE INTO EMERGENCY WATER CONSERVATION IN THE TOWN'S HISTORY.
SO, YOU KNOW, STAYED THERE CERTAINLY MEAN IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A REAL THING.
ONE DAY, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT, MAYBE WE WILL NEVER END UP THERE, BUT I'M JUST, I DON'T, WE TALK ALL THE TIME.
THIS COUNCIL TALKS ALL THE TIME ABOUT NOT BINDING FUTURE COUNCILS.
AND SO THAT TO ME, THIS DECISION, WE BE BINDING FUTURE COUNCILS TO PROVIDE WATER TO PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN LIMITS.
WHEN WE'VE JUST RECENTLY BEEN TOLD BY EXPERTS THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE LIMITS AND WE NEED TO RESPECT THOSE LIMITS.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IF WE WOULD EVER BE ABLE TO GO BACK ON THIS AT 1.1 DAY AND SAY, WAIT NO LONGER, WE CAN'T DO THIS ANY LONGER.
AND YOU'RE SAYING YES, WE CAN.
I, I'M SAYING, SO I'M SAYING THAT WITH RESPECT TO THIS ISSUE, THAT'S BEFORE COUNSEL RIGHT NOW.
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MM-HMM.SO WHEN SAYING YES, IF SAYING YES, YOU'RE ALSO SAYING WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO IT.
SO CAN THAT BE ROLLED BACK? DEFINITELY.
IT'S IN THE CORRIDOR AGREEMENT.
IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY IN THE CORRIDOR AGREEMENT.
UM, I, I, I CAN'T RIGHT NOW POINT TO ANYTHING IN THE CODE WITH RESPECT TO THESE OTHER OUT OF TOWN OTHER THAN TO REVERSE THE MORATORIUM THEN TO, BECAUSE THAT'S IN THE TOWN CODE, OTHER THAN TO GO BACK AND, AND REVISIT THE MORATORIUM AND TAKE ALL THOSE PLACES OFF THE TOWN CODE OFF OFF THE MORATORY.
SO WHEN WE DO A WATER AGREEMENT WITH ANYONE OUT OF TOWN, MM-HMM.
IF I GET THIS WRONG, IT'S NOT OUR STANDARD UTILITY AGREEMENT.
BUT I THINK THEY ALL CONTAIN A PROVISION THAT SAYS, SO LONG AS THERE IS EXCESS CAPACITY, YOU WILL GET WATER AND SEWER SERVICE, SERVICE.
SO LONG AS SO IT'S A CONDITION THAT'S THE BEST.
SO IF COUNSEL WISHES TO APPROVE THIS AND TAKE ACTION ON IT, THERE WOULD BE SIMILAR IF THEY COULD ADD IN THE MOTION A CONDITION? WELL, IT WOULD BE IN THE AGREEMENT.
ALL BUT I, I CAN'T ABSOLUTELY STATE THAT EVERY AGREEMENT OUT THERE, MAJORITY OF THEM DO.
BUT WE COULD STATE THAT WE WANT ANY FUTURE AGREEMENTS OH.
TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A CLAUSE IN THERE THAT SAYS IT'S THE STANDARD.
I JUST CAN'T GO BACK IN TIME, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
NO, I KNOW YOU CAN'T GO BACK TO THE THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE DID, BUT WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD.
NO, IT'S A STANDARD PROVISION NOW.
MR. WA, I HAD ONE QUICK QUESTION, MR. GEORGE, YOU MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING.
SO IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO PROVIDE OUT OF TOWN WATER FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, WILL THERE BE A CONTRACT OR WILL THERE NOT? YES, THERE WILL BE.
SO WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH EVERY OUT OF TOWN.
WELL, WE HAVE A, SO SOME OF THE AREAS, THERE'S A, I GUESS A GENERAL, I DON'T WANNA SAY CONTRACT, BUT THERE'S A, UM, APPROVAL BY COUNSEL, UH, THAT IT ULTIMATELY RELATES BACK TO FROM YEARS AND YEARS AGO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS TOPIC? NO.
SO DOES IT, DOES IT SOUND LIKE, DID ON APRIL 22ND, IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCIL, THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL WISHES TO PROVIDE, UH, WATER AT OUT OF TOWN RATES, DISCUSS AND VOTE ON APRIL 22ND, DISCUSS AND VOTE.
SO WE'LL DEFINITELY PUT IT ON THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ADDING, ADDING, ADDING IT INTO THE MORATORIUM AND THEN, AND THEN A LATER ACTION TO APPROVE THE ADDED.
SO BETWEEN THEN AND WHEN WE TAKE ACTION THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT SAYS IN THE CONTRACT THAT THERE'S A CLAUSE FOR THAT.
MOVING ALONG TO THE LA THE, UH, IS THE APPALACHIAN TRAILHEAD PROJECT FUNDING AND THAT, UM, SO MARCH 11TH WAS THE MEETING AND I BELIEVE EVERYBODY WAS HERE ON MARCH 11TH.
I JUST CAN'T, COULDN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE YOU WERE THE, SO, UM, YES.
SO WHILE COUNSEL, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO.
AND AS YOU KNOW, FOR MR. PROCTOR'S PRESENTATION, UM, THEY, THERE'S OTHER STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS, BUT THEY'RE ASKING THE TOWN, UM, FOR THE MONEY, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE, UH, FEASIBILITY STUDY.
UM, BUT IF TO BUILD IT AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED IS THAT TO ACTUALLY BUILD IT THOUGH, THE STAKEHOLDERS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HOPING TO GET GRANT MONEY AND DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEY WOULD APPROACH THE STAKEHOLDERS AT THAT POINT, NOT US AGAIN.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD WOULD HOPE.
AND I, THAT'S THE MESSAGE I RECEIVED ON MARCH 11TH.
SO, 'CAUSE REALLY THIS IS KIND OF OUTSIDE OF A'S SCOPE OF WHAT THEY DO.
'CAUSE THEY'RE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY AND THIS IS MORE ABOUT A TRAIL PROJECT, UM, I MEAN A TRAILHEAD, BUT, UM,
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BUT THE, BUT THE TOURISM BENEFITS THAT, UM, WERE REALLY WHAT WAS BEING, YOU KNOW, WAS THE CONSIDERATION, UM, PROPOSED TO COUNCIL.SO, UM, YEAH, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I, I, I DON'T RECALL, BUT I WAS WONDERING, UH, I THINK STAFF OR OUR CODE REGARD THAT THEY, THEY GET THREE SEPARATE, UH, QUOTES.
AND, AND, UH, I, I DON'T RECALL THAT BEING, UM, ACTUALLY NO, UM, YOU'RE RIGHT.
STAFF PUT IN A COVER SHEET THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE MOVING FORWARD IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY IS THAT IT IS OVER OUR $5,000 THRESHOLD THAT WILL REQUIRE THREE COMPETITIVE BITS.
SO THAT IS WHERE, UM, MR. WILSON PUT THAT IN HIS COVER SHEET TO TO, TO STATE WHAT WE WILL NEED IF COUNSEL DESIRES TO PUSH FORWARD ON THIS.
OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I KNOW WE ASKED LOTS OF QUESTIONS THAT NIGHT, BUT NOW THAT IT'S ACTUALLY BEFORE US, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER, I JUST, I KNOW, UH, YEAH, THIS IS BEING IMPRESSED, YOU KNOW, BEING IMPRESSED AS A, UM, YOU MENTIONED AS A TRAIL CONNECTION HERE BETWEEN THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL AND THE TOWN.
BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER TOO THAT THERE'S GONNA BE PROBABLY JUST AS MUCH, IF NOT A LOT MORE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, JUST KIDS AND PEOPLE WALKING HIKES, YOU KNOW, JUST, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A MORE LOCAL TRAFFIC ON IT THAN THERE, THERE WILL BE TRAIL TRAFFIC JUST THROUGH GENERAL USE.
SO I KNOW THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT, BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA GET MORE TRAFFIC HERE LOCALLY THAN IT WILL BE FROM THE TRAIL IF I HAD TO GUESS.
SO I'M THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
ANYBODY ELSE? SO IF COUNSEL IS IN AGREEMENT, WE WOULD YEAH.
WHERE IS THAT? WELL, WE HAVE TO ASK FOR THE THREE.
ARE WE, SO THE, THIS WOULD BE, I, OH, GO AHEAD BJ.
UM, THE MONEY WAS, IS CARRIED TOWARD FUNDS SO THAT, AND WAS CARRIED FORWARD FOR TOURISM.
SO WE WOULD REQUEST THE COUNCIL, UH, APPROVE A, UH, REALLOCATION OF THE FUNDS FROM TOURISM OR TO HORTICULTURE, UH, FOR THE TRAILS.
SO IT WOULD GO TO HORTICULTURE, NOT TO ACES, CORRECT? WELL, YES.
HORTICULTURE FROM TOURISM, CORRECT.
HORTICULTURE WOULD'VE TO UH, UH, PROCURE THE SERVICES.
AND THEN WOULD THEY DO WHAT MR. RAPPAPORT IS ASKING ABOUT IS TO, IN ORDER FOR THE GET ORDER FOR THE FUNDS TO BE USED? YES.
WE WOULD'VE TO HAVE THREE QUOTES AND I HAVE TO FOLLOW PROCUREMENT POLICY.
I'M SORRY, 5,000, RIGHT? I'M SORRY.
THE AMOUNT THAT HAS TO GET THREE QUOTES.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? SO DO WE, DO WE NEED TO, UM, THIS WOULD BE ON THE, ON THE APRIL 22ND? YES.
ON THE AGENDA FOR REALLOCATION.
SO APRIL 22ND, COUNSEL WOULD DECIDE WHETHER TO REALLOCATE IT AND THEN IT WOULD GO INTO HORTICULTURE.
THEY WOULD'VE TO GET THREE QUOTES.
AND WE DON'T DO ANYTHING AFTER THAT.
'CAUSE WE'VE JUST MOVED IT OVER TO THAT JUST REALLOCATE THE FUNDS.
THAT JUST BECOMES STAFF'S JOB TO FIGURE IT OUT FROM THERE.
WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST AGREEING TO GIVE THE 8,200 AND, AND, AND WE WE'RE GETTING, WE HAVE THE MONEY, RIGHT? YES.
I MEAN, FROM TOURISM, I MEAN, I'M SAYING WE, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT HOW WE KEEP GETTING, WE KEEP COMING UP WITH THESE THINGS THAT WEREN'T PART OF OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR.
MY, MY ONLY CONCERN, UM, AND IT'S JUST A SMALL CONCERN, IS I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THAT QUOTE IS FOR THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY.
SO YOU, YOU JUST, AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS WE DON'T, IT MAY COME UP A A LITTLE HIGHER, SO I, I'M PRETTY SURE WE'LL HAVE PROVISIONS TO MAKE A PIVOT, BUT I DON'T WANNA, I, I DON'T WANT TO COME INTO THE GATE SAYING IT'S GONNA BE 80, IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ONCE WE GO OUT AND COMPETITIVE BID.
SO I, YOU KNOW, A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE, BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT OKAY.
IT'S BRAIN WORK WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO DO WE HAVE TO BID ON A STATIC AMOUNT OR IS, I MEAN, HOW YOU'LL BE VOTING ON A STATIC AMOUNT OF 8,200.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE'LL VOTE ON IT, BUT IF IT COMES OUT AT 8,500, YOU BELIEVE THERE'S AN EXTRA 300 IN THE TOURISM FUND? WELL, WE HAVE, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MECHANISM WILL BE IF THAT BID COMES HIGHER THAN WHAT WE'VE ALLOCATED FOR.
I MEAN, UH, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT,
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BUT I THINK YOU, MY QUESTION WAS, WAS WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND VOTE IF IT'S GONNA BE LIKE TWO OR $300.DON'T YOU HAVE DISCRETION? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
BUT I WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE THAT THAT NUMBER COULD FLUCTUATE A LITTLE BIT.
WE'LL FIGURE OUT A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
BUT, BUT JUST LIKE WE DISCUSSED THAT NIGHT, THIS, THIS IS US FUNDING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
IT'S NOT US FUNDING THE ACTUAL PROJECT.
WE NEED A, WE NEED SOME SORT OF GUIDANCE FOR THE 16TH WHEN WE'RE HAVING OUR STAKEHOLDER MEETING THAT WE'RE GONNA GO FORWARD.
OTHERWISE WE HAVE TO START SCRAMBLING LOOKING FOR 8,200 BUCKS.
WHICH WE WON'T BE MEETING UNTIL APRIL 22ND.
SO THAT DOESN'T HELP YOU WITH APRIL 60.
ALL I NEED IS A THOUGHT PROCESS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONSENSUS IS TO DO, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONSENSUS IS WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO IT.
SOUNDS LIKE, I MEAN, JUST WE'RE, UH, THE CONSENSUS OF COUNSEL IS TO DO IT.
SO I WAS JUST CLARIFYING THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR THE ACTUAL PROJECT.
'CAUSE I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION WITH JUSTIN IS, 'CAUSE THERE WERE ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED, BUT WE WERE THE ONLY ONES PAYING FOR THE FEASIBILITY.
AND I'M SURE IT'S 'CAUSE ACE WAS, YOU KNOW, CHAMPION TO DO IT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE, SO THAT WON'T BE IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
THIS IS ALL BEING TAKEN CARE OF IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
UM, NEXT UP IS OUR GOAL AND ACTION STEPS.
SO, UM, TWO THINGS I WANT TO GET DONE TONIGHT.
I WANT TO HAND OUT THE, UH, GOALS AND ACTION SHEETS FROM OUR RETREAT.
SO THE FRONT IS FAMILIAR TO YOU WHERE WE HAD OUR VISION AND MISSION STATEMENT.
AND THEN ON THE BACKSIDE IS FROM OUR MARCH RETREAT ON SPECIFICALLY THREE GOALS.
THREE ACTION STEPS, EXCUSE ME.
THREE ACTION STEPS UNDER THE THREE GOALS.
SO KIND OF SUMMARIZE WHAT WE DID.
SO JUST TO KIND OF GO THROUGH IT, UH, THE FIRST ONE IS PROMOTE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC WELLBEING.
SO THE FIRST GOAL IS ENHANCE THE APPEARANCE OF PROPERTY AND THE IMPROVEMENTS OF PROPERTY BY PROACTIVELY EN ENFORCING THE TOWN'S PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
SO WHAT I GLEANED FROM OURS IS DEVELOP A STRATEGY TO INCREASE ENFORCEMENT AND PROACTIVE BY OCTOBER 1ST, 2024.
SECOND ONE IS DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT AND MITIGATION STRATEGY THAT WILL ADDRESS BLIGHT AND DERELICT BUILDINGS IN THE TOWN BY JULY 1ST, 2024, I BELIEVE WE'RE ON THAT.
WE MAY NOT MAKE THE JULY 1ST DATE, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE CLOSE TO THAT THIRD ONE.
PROVIDED FRIDA A REVENUE SOURCE OR, OR FUNDING, EXCUSE ME.
UM, FUNDING TO FUNCTION ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN COMMUNITY BY DECEMBER 31ST.
SHOULD I, YOU KNOW, I LOVE ALL THIS, THE DELIC BUILDINGS.
I'M JUST ASKING ARE, ARE WE, WERE THEY TELLING US, WE HAVE TO CALL IT DERELICT STRUCTURES? THEY WANTED TO CHANGE FROM BLIGHT TO DELL? MM-HMM.
JUST DERE SO WE CAN LEAVE IT DERELICT BUILDING.
I JUST REMEMBER THAT NIGHT THEY KEPT SAYING DERELICT STRUCTURES.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE GOALS, MAIN GOALS THAT I TOOK OUT OF THAT FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC WELLBEING.
SO THE NEXT ONE, UH, WE CAME OUT WITH FIVE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, UM, TO PRACTICE GOOD GOVERNANCE.
THE FIRST ONE IS ENSURE THE TOWN IS ACCOUNTABLE THROUGH THE PRODUCTION AND THE DISTRIBUTION OF AN ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH I'M GONNA UNVEIL TONIGHT.
UM, THE SECOND ONE IS DEVELOP AND ADMINISTER A FRONT ROW COMMUNITY SATISFACTION SURVEY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
BY NOVEMBER OF 24, I WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU ON WHAT THAT FINANCIAL IMPACT IS.
SPONSOR AN OPEN HOUSE TO ALLOW CITIZENS TO INTERACT WITH STAFF AND COUNCIL ON SERVICES BY DECEMBER 1ST, 2024.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PULL THIS OFF THIS SUMMER.
I SHOULD HAVE SOME MORE DETAILS IN A COUPLE WEEKS.
PROMOTE A A POSITIVE AND INTERACTIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH TOWN CITIZEN AND STAKEHOLDERS BY SPONSORING EDUCATIONAL INITIATIVES SUCH AS THE CITIZENS LOCAL GOVERNMENT ACADEMY BY SEPTEMBER OF 2024.
NUMBER FIVE, PROMOTE THE RECENT COUNCIL FY 24 RETREAT TO INCLUDE VISION, MISSION, AND COUNCIL GOALS BY USING ALL MEDIA TO INCLUDE THE WEBSITE.
AND THEN TO IMPROVE COMMUNICATIONS.
ACCORDING NEWSLETTER WILL FEATURE A SPECIFIC COUNCIL INITIATIVE, GOALS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS FOR THE QUARTER THAT'S COMPLETED.
YOU WILL SEE THE APRIL NEWSLETTER COMING OUT HERE IN THE NEXT COMING WEEKS.
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YOUR VISION AND MISSION ON THAT AS AN INTRODUCTORY.I'LL SAY THAT ALL OF THOSE, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW HOW LIKE WHEN WE MET, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT WAS LIKE A, ALMOST LIKE A TWO YEAR, LIKE I WAS JUST GONNA SAY BY DECEMBER, 2024, WE WILL LITERALLY BE ABLE TO CHECK ALL THESE BOXES.
I MEAN, IN A PERFECT WORLD WE THINK THAT'S, WE'RE HOPEFUL, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHOLE SECTION WE COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED THIS YEAR.
THESE GOALS ARE ACHIEVABLE FOR THIS YEAR.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT START.
UM, THE LAST SECTION, SUSTAIN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
COMPLETE DELETE RUN PARKWAY, INCLUDING LAND CONVEYANCE BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.
NUMBER TWO, IDENTIFY A SECONDARY WATER SOURCE FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROLL BY DECEMBER 31ST.
WE ARE CONTINUING TO GO DOWN THE ROAD FROM MCKAY SPRINGS, BUT WE WANNA KEEP IT OPEN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN EVALUATE THE PROPER SECOND WATER SOURCE.
NUMBER THREE IS A BIG ONE IS PRIORITIZE ENHANCEMENTS THE TOWN NEEDS, UH, FOR THE DENSE WATER, SEWER, ELECTRIC, AND SOLID WASTE.
SO WE'VE GOT THREE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.
COMPLETE THE REDUNDANT WATER LINE BY OCTOBER.
DEVELOP A PLAN OF ACTION TO MAKE REPAIRS TO BOTH CLEAR WELLS BY OCTOBER 1ST, 2024.
AND THEN CONTINUING THIS ONE, HERE'S, UH, TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN OUR I AND I AND THAT'S ONGOING.
WE JUST RELEASED A $2 MILLION CONTRACT TO DO OPEN CUT FOR SEWER REPLACEMENTS.
WE'RE SEEING IT, UH, IN THE REDUCTION OF INFLOW AND INFILTRATION.
ALRIGHT, SO EVERYBODY GOOD WITH ALL OF THIS? I THINK IT LOOKS AMAZING.
SO THE ANNUAL REPORT, I'M PASSING OUT A PHOTOCOPY OF THE ANNUAL REPORT.
THIS IS NOT A A FINAL DOCUMENT.
UH, BUT IT IS ONLINE ON OUR WEBSITE.
UM, AND I'M GONNA TAKE Y'ALL THROUGH IT.
I WANT TO COMMEND STAFF, PARTICULARLY HILLARY THAT TOOK THIS INITIATIVE RIGHT AFTER THE JANUARY RETREAT AND STARTED BUILDING THIS.
UM, BUT SO IF YOU GO TO OUR WEBSITE, SO IF YOU GO TO OUR WEBSITE, TOWN OF FARMWELL AND YOU GO TO GOVERNMENT AND YOU GO TO TOWN COUNCIL, YOU HAVE LORI'S PICTURE, IT'LL COME UP.
I, NO, ACTUALLY ALL THE COUNCIL.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE OVER HERE ON THE LEFT IS THE 23 ANNUAL REPORT.
AND I WOULD'VE EMAILED THIS TO YOU THIS EVENING, BUT THE FILE IS TOO BIG TO SEND BY EMAIL.
SO I WILL SEND YOU A LINK TO THE LINK FOR THE WEBSITE.
UM, BUT THIS IS THE ANNUAL REPORT.
UM, JUST BASICALLY TALKS ABOUT COUNCIL AND THEIR TERMS, TOWN STAFF.
WE GOT A TABLE OF CONTENTS, A MESSAGE FROM ME, INTRODUCTION OF COUNCIL WITH YOUR MISSION AND VISION STATEMENT AND YOUR TAGLINE THAT CAME OUT OF THE RETREAT.
THIS IS ALL FOR FY 23, BUT THIS IS OUR VISION MOVING FORWARD.
COUNCIL'S INITIATIVES AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS, TOWNS, AWARDS AND RECOGNITIONS.
WE SPEND SOME TIME ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
'CAUSE THIS IS WHERE MOST OF OUR CITIZENS ARE VOLUNTEERING AND HELPING SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT ACTIVITIES.
SO WE GO OVER ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, GOT ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEAD DIRECTORS, AND THEN WE GO THROUGH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM, ENERGY SERVICES, FINANCE, HUMAN RESOURCES AND RISK MANAGEMENT, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY.
WE MOVE ON DOWN THE PLANNING ZONING AND WE FINISH PUBLIC SAFETY, FLEET MAINTENANCE.
BUT WE GO THROUGH ALL THE MAJOR DEPARTMENTS HERE, PUBLIC WORKS.
AND THEN WE END WITH HOW YOU CONNECT WITH US.
BUT I WANT TO THANK Y'ALL FOR BRINGING THAT IDEA UP AT THE JANUARY RETREAT.
I THINK IT WAS A GREAT IDEA AND I, I'M, I'M REAL SATISFIED WITH STAFF BEING ABLE TO PUT THIS TOGETHER IN LESS THAN TWO MONTHS.
I THINK IT REALLY DOES LOOK GREAT.
I JUST, I'M SO IMPRESSED AND MR. WALTZ AND I ARE GOING.
WE HAD ALREADY, UM, UH, SPOKE WITH, UM, MR. MCCOOL ABOUT COMING TO, UM, THE ORAL EXAMINER AND, AND JUST TO DO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS ABOUT THIS AND HAS ACCESS.
I MEAN THEY HAVE ACCESS TO IT, BUT IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HOW TO FIND IT TO YEAH.
HOW TO FIND IT AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE,
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UM, THINGS THAT ARE ON HERE.BUT I AM, I I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS SOMETHING I REALLY WISH WE COULD HAVE BEEN.
LIKE THIS WAS SOMETHING I THINK I, I LOVED THE IDEA.
SO I'M REALLY THANKFUL THAT YOU ALL MADE IT BECOME A REALITY.
'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND I LOVE THE FACT HOW PERSONAL IT IS WITH ADDING STAFF, SOME OF THE STAFF PICTURES AND YOU KNOW, LIKE THE VISITOR, THE LADIES, THE WORK VISITOR CENTER.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST HAS A REAL HUMAN ELEMENT TO IT TOO.
SO PEOPLE CAN SEE THERE'S, THERE'S SO MUCH BEHIND WHAT GOES ON, UM, GOES ON AT THE TOWN THAT, THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT.
SO WE'LL TAKE ALL FEEDBACK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR FIRST ANNUAL REPORT AND NEXT YEAR WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TAKE A FOCUS ON WHAT, WHAT WE'VE MISSED THIS TIME IF WE DID MISS SOMETHING.
UM, BUT THE BEAUTY OF IT IS THAT SKELETON'S HERE NOW AND REALLY ALL YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IS ADD OTHER THINGS.
YOU GUYS ARE KICKING ME OUT END OF THE YEAR.
FIRST AIR ALREADY UHOH ME TOO.
YEAH, THE JOB DOESN'T, I'LL FIX THAT.
I THINK IT'S VERY GOOD FOR MORALE TOO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT ALLOWS YOU TO TOOT YOUR OWN HORN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND NOT WAIT FOR
ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN WE STARTED BUILDING THIS WAS WE HAD TO RECOGNIZE WE HAD A GOOD YEAR LAST YEAR.
WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR FINANCES, WE LOOK AT OUR PROJECTS.
WE DID SOME GREAT THINGS THIS YEAR.
SO WHY NOT CAPITALIZE ON THAT? EXACTLY.
AND I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA DO GREAT THINGS THIS YEAR.
AND I THINK IT'S RECOGNIZED THROUGHOUT THE COMMONWEALTH.
'CAUSE WHEN WE WENT TO VML TO THE CONFERENCE, UM, JOSH, MELISSA AND I SPENT SOME TIME WITH OTHER LOCALITIES AND THEY WERE ASKING US, LIKE SEEKING OPINIONS FROM US, ESPECIALLY LIKE THE HAY MARKET AREA.
THEY WERE LIKE, THE WAY YOU GUYS ARE DOING THINGS IS HOW WE WISH WE WOULD'VE DONE THINGS.
AND UM, YEAH, IT MADE ME, I ALREADY AM VERY PROUD TO CALL FOR ROYAL HOME AND I'M VERY BIASED.
BUT IT MAKES YOU FEEL EVEN BETTER ABOUT, 'CAUSE IT'S OUR STAFF.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHO WE OWE IT TO.
I WANTED TO SAY TOO, ALONG THESE SAME LINES, SO MR. WALTZ, UM, PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
IT'S BEEN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND I JUST HAPPENED TO, I WAS AT THE TRANSPORTATION MEETING LITERALLY LIKE THE DAY AFTER AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR GAVE ME A COPY OF, HE WENT AND MADE A COPY FOR ME OF THE, THE INFORMATION YOU GAVE THEM, WHICH WAS LOTS OF STATISTICS AND STUFF.
UM, AND THEY WERE VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE PRESENTATION AND, AND THE STAT, LIKE JUST THE, THE, THE WAY IN WHICH THE PRESENTATION ON THE PAPER WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, IT JUST WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND, AND I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE PAGES IN THE ANNUAL REPORT ARE LIKE THAT TOO.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, SHEER NUMBERS.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO IT'S A, IT IS A GREAT, UM, IT'S VERY EASY FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE THIS AND SEE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON AND PEOPLE NOT REALIZING, LIKE THOSE NUMBERS, LIKE WHEN YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, JUST ANYWAY, JOB WELL DONE.
THANK YOU TO THE STAFF AND JOB.
SO EVERYBODY WHO WAS A PART OF THIS, THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS A REALITY FOR US.
AND, AND THANKS TO COUNSEL FOR US COME, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
THIS WAS
SO ANYWAY, ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? AND WE, AND, AND WE WILL READ THROUGH THIS IN CASE THERE'S ANY OTHER YEAH, PLEASE.
Y'ALL DIDN'T WANNA GET
I WAS LIKE, WHAT? HELL, I DON'T THINK SO.
MAYBE THAT'LL BE THE ONLY, THAT'LL BE THE ONLY, UH, TYPO, RIGHT? SO, ALRIGHT.
I LOVE THE, I LOVE THE PICTURE THE THREE OF US DID ON PAGE 23 WAVING AT THE UTILITY.
THAT WAS EVER PICKED THAT OUT.
WELL, AND I EVEN THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN HERE THAT, UM, LIKE DOING THE BASKETS, LIKE THE HANGING BASKETS, LIKE, BECAUSE SO MANY TIMES PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS TALKING, PEOPLE GET UP IN ARMS IF THEY'RE NOT OUT BASKET NOW THEY CAN SEE THAT.
UH, YEAH, WE'RE, UM, WE'RE ORDERING NEW BASKETS FOR MAIN STREET.
THEY'RE, UM, WATERING, SELF WATERING BASKETS.
WE'LL CUT OUR WATERING DOWN MAYBE BY HALF, MAYBE WE HAD TO TAKE 'EM DOWN LAST YEAR DURING THE DROUGHT AND THEY SOMEHOW STILL MANAGED TO KEEP THEM BEAUTIFUL AND ALIVE WHEN THEY WERE ABLE TO PUT 'EM BACK ON WONDER HOUSE WHEN THEY WEREN'T OUT THERE SUCKING UP ALL THAT WATER, PUT 'EM IN THE SHADE.
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TO, WE DON'T WANNA PUT OUT CACTUSES,SO THE NEXT ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS, AND I JUST WANNA EVERYBODY LOOK AT THE TIME I WAS GETTING NERVOUS AND IT'S EIGHT 30 ON OUR LITTLE TIME SCHEDULE.
DON'T NO, I'M JUST SAYING JUST THE FACT THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ON THE SCHEDULE UP UNTIL NOW IS A SHEER MIRACLE.
WELL, LET'S NOT TALKING ABOUT I WAS WORRIED WAS, ALRIGHT, I'M WAITING EVERYBODY.
I MOVE THE TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 12 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES.
ONE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A EIGHT OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE CONDITIONAL VACATION AND SALE OF A PORTION OF NORTH ROYAL AVENUE AND UNIMPROVED ALLEYWAY BETWEEN NORTH ROYAL AVENUE AND VIRGINIA AVENUE.
AND TWO, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A SEVEN OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND BRIEFINGS BY STAFF MEMBERS OR CONSULTANTS PERTAINING TO ACTUAL OR PROBABLE LITIGATION WHERE SUCH CONSULTATION OR BRIEFING AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEGOTIATING OR LITIGATING POSTURE OF THE POLI PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, TOWN FRONT ROYAL VERSUS FRONT ROYAL LIMITED PARTNERSHIP.
AND NUMBER THREE, PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.