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ALL RIGHT,[Board of Architectural Review on March 12, 2024.]
LET'S GET UNDERWAY HERE.ALRIGHT, CALL THIS THING TO ORDER.
BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW FOR TUESDAY, MARCH 12TH, 2024.
UM, WE'VE GOT SOME MINUTES TO GET THROUGH.
I THINK THE FIRST SET IS FROM JANUARY 9TH.
UM, I LOOKED AT OVER, I DIDN'T SEE ANY ISSUES.
EVERYBODY ELSE HAD A CHANCE TO MOVE THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE FROM FEBRUARY 3RD.
WE PROBABLY NEED TO VOTE SEPARATE BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY WAS HERE.
SO, UM, MS. SNYDER, UM, WAS NOT THERE FOR THE JANUARY 9TH, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE IT WAS ALRIGHT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JANUARY 9TH.
AND THEN WE GOT FEBRUARY 13TH MINUTES THAT I, WE NEED A VOTE? UH, IT CAN BE VOICE VOTE ROLL CALL.
UM, THEN FEBRUARY 13TH I WAS ABSENT FOR, SO YOU GUYS HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK THAT OVER.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FEBRUARY 13TH MINUTES.
OKAY, NOW WE CAN GET DOWN TO NEW BUSINESS APPLICATION 2 4 0 0 1 2 2
UM, JOHN, DO YOU WANT TO FILL US IN ON THAT APPLICATION? 24 0 0 1 22 IS AT 50 WATER STREET.
UH, THE STRUCTURE FOR REVIEW IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF WATER STREET IN LARA, VIRGINIA, HAIL PLACE, AND IS IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP NUMBER 28 A EIGHT SIX B EIGHT.
UH, THE BUILDING IN QUESTION OF WHERE THE THE SIGN IS, IS LOCATED HERE ON THE FRONT.
THAT BUILDING WAS, UH, CONSTRUCTED IN 1999.
THE LOT IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IS NOT PART OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, SURVEY.
SO THAT BUILDING WAS BUILT AFTER, UH, THE RECONNAISSANCE SURVEY.
THESE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, BUT THE BUILDING IN QUESTION WHERE THE SIGN IS, WAS BUILT AFTER, UH, THE HISTORIC SURVEY AND INSTRUCTED IN 99.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T HAVE A PACKET DESCRIBING THE BUILDING THERE.
SO, UH, UH, SO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS FOR A STATIC CLEAN WINDOW SIGN.
UH, THE SIGNAGE HAS BEEN INSTALLED WITHOUT A SIGN PERMIT FOR THE COA.
UH, WE INCLUDED A STAFF REPORT FOR YOU.
UH, THE BUILDING, UH, INITIALLY WAS SOUTHERN STATE'S CO-OP.
UH, THEY DID OBTAIN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, TO CONSTRUCT A SHOWROOM AND A WAREHOUSE.
AND THAT STRUCTURE IS WITHIN THE FLOOD PLAIN.
UH, UH, COA IS NEEDED TO BRING THE APPLICANT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN CODE.
AND AGAIN, UH, THE APPLICANT INSTALLED A SIGN PRIOR TO FOR APPROVAL.
UH, THERE'S A, A PICTURE WE GOT FROM, UH, WHEN SOUTHERN STATES HAD THE BUILDING AND THERE'S A FRONT LOAD LOCATION WHERE THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE SOME OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE SUPPLIED YOU.
UH, THERE'S THE, THE FRONT ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING AND THE STATIC CLEAN SIGN INSTALLED.
UH, TOWN CO DOES, UH, REFER TO A SIGN AS ANY DEVICE EMPLOYING LETTERS, WORDS, SYMBOLS, ET CETERA, USE OR INTENDED TO ATTRACT THE ATTENTION OF THE PUBLIC FROM STREET SIDEWALKS OR OTHER PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS.
FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS ARTICLE, THE TERM SIGN SHALL INCLUDE ALL STRUCTURAL MEMBERS.
ALSO, THE SIGN AREA IS DEFINED AS A SURFACE AREA ENCOMPASS WITHIN A REGULAR GEOMETRIC FIGURE, A SQUARE RECTANGLE CIRCLE OR TRIANGLE, WHICH WOULD ENCLOSE ALL PARTS OF THE SIGN, EXCLUDING THE SUPPORTS.
TOWN CODE ALSO DEFINES A WINDOW
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SIGN AS ALL SIGNS ATTACHED TO, OR APPLIED DIRECTLY ONTO THE INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL SURFACE OR LESS, OR SETBACK LESS THAN ONE FOOT FROM THE INTERIOR SURFACE OF ANY WINDOW.IN GENERAL, VIEW OF THE PUBLIC FROM OUTSIDE THE STRUCTURE.
SO THOSE ARE THE DEFINITIONS DETERMINED, UH, WHAT TYPE OF SIGN IT IS, UH, PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, THEY HAVE SEVERAL LOCATIONS.
UH, THIS HERE OBVIOUSLY IS THE FRONT LITTLE LOCATION WITH THE SIGN THAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR BRANDING EFFORT.
THEY HAVE ANOTHER LOCATION VERY SIMILAR AT THE ORANGE LOUISA AND THE MADISON LOCATION.
SO THIS IS THEIR BRANDING EFFORTS TO MARKET THEIR COMPANY, AND THOSE ARE THE SIGNS THEY HAVE INSTALLED AT THE OTHER LOCATIONS.
UH, OUR TOWN CODE FOR A WIN, A PERMANENT WINDOW SIGN SHALL BE LIMITED IN AREA TO 25% OF THE WINDOW AREA OR 25 SQUARE FEET, WHICHEVER IS LESS AND SHALL BE INCLUDED IN THE SIGN AREA CALCULATIONS.
UH, WITHIN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT, YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO WAIVE SOME SIGN REQUIREMENTS.
UH, SO STAFF ADMINISTRATIVELY, WE CAN ONLY APPROVE A WINDOW SIGN, 25% OF THE WINDOW AREA OR 25 SQUARE FEET OR WHICHEVER IS LESS.
THAT'S ALL WE CAN APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY SINCE THE PROPERTY IS IN LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THAT'S THE REASON, UH, THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW IS TAKING UP THIS APPLICATION.
UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR MAY AUTHORIZE A WAIVER OF THE SIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR SETBACK, SPACING, NUMBER, FRONTAGE, HEIGHT AREA, AND TYPE OF SIGNS WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
IF THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW APPROVES A SPECIFIC SIGN PROPOSAL CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING TO WHICH IT RELATES TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES THAT'S WITHIN YOUR AUTHORITY.
UH, SO THIS IS A DIAGRAM THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED.
UH, WE BROKE DOWN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIGN AND IT TOTALED US AROUND A HUNDRED AND PLUS OR MINUS, UH, 127 SQUARE FEET WITH ALL THE WINDOW AREA.
SO THE, THE, THAT'S THE, THIS, THE FRONT, THE STOREFRONT PRIOR TO THE STATIC CLAIM, UH, BEING APPLIED.
AND THAT'S THE, UH, THEIR BRANDING EFFORTS, WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING AT THE FRONT LITTLE LOCATION.
THEY'RE IN THE FRONT OF THE DOOR AT THE WINDOWS.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU'D LIKE.
UM, WE INCLUDED EVERYTHING THAT THEY, UH, PROVIDE FOR US AND OTHER PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, IN YOUR REPORT THAT WE GAVE, THE STAFF REPORT WE GAVE YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? I HAVE ONE, UM, THAT SECTION C FOR, YOU KNOW, UM, WHETHER WE CAN WAIVE IT OR NOT OR WHAT WE CAN WAIVE THAT LAST SENTENCE.
IT SAYS, IN NO CASE, NO MATTER WHAT WE THINK, MAY IT EXCEED 60 SQUARE FEET.
IS THAT RIGHT? I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT IS LISTED UNDER TOWN CODE 1 75, 1 0 6 B THREE, UH, SECTION C.
UH, SO YOU DO HAVE LIMITATION ON THE MAXIMUM SIZE FOR A WINDOW SIGN? YES.
WHICH WOULD ROUGHLY BE ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE DOORS, EXCLUDING THE PERIMETER WINDOWS ON THE TOP AND THE SIDES THAT WOULD UH, YEAH.
BASICALLY WHEN I DID THE NUMBERS HERE, THE, THE FOUR DOORS.
BASICALLY 15 SQUARE FOOT A PIECE THAT WOULD REACH THE, UH, 60 SQUARE FOOT AREA.
THE BUILDING, IT WAS SOUTHERN STATES FOR YEARS.
NOW IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT'S NOT A HISTORIC BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, IT'S IN THIS KIND OF WEIRD AREA.
UH, YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY HAVE A NEED TO DO BRANDING JUST AS MUCH AS ANYBODY ELSE.
AND I THINK IF WE CAN, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO, EVERYBODY WOULD BE HAPPY IF JUST THE PERIMETER COMES OFF AND THE MIDDLE STAYS.
I MEAN, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.
AND THAT'D BE, THAT'D BE ACCEPTABLE FOR US TOO.
WE DIDN'T INTENTIONALLY NOT, UH, WE RELIED ON OUR SIGN COMPANY TO RIGHT.
DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
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SO I, I THINK DOESN'T BOTHER ME AT ALL.I THINK THAT WOULD SATISFY US AND THE TOWN AND EVERYBODY LEAVES HAPPY.
ANYBODY WANT TO CRAFT THAT MOTION?
UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR SIGNAGE WITHIN THE 60 SQUARE FOOT GUIDELINES THAT THE CODE SETS FORTH WITHIN THE TAB.
I'LL SECOND THAT ALL IN PAPER.
DID I GET THE MOTION? OVERLY COOL.
THANK YOU SO FOR COMING THIS EVENING.
UM, APPLICATION 2 4 0 0 1 2 6, UH, MINUTE GROUP TO PLACE WOOD SIDING ON ALL SIDES OF OUR FOUR WEST STONE WALL WITH VINYL SIDING WHERE IT'S BEEN COMPLETED.
WE ORDER
THEY CROSSED THE VINYL SIDING UP.
AND HERE'S IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.
OKAY, I'M GONNA SAY WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ON THIS, WELL, HOLD ON.
LET, DO YOU WANNA LET JOHN DO HIS REPORT? OH, SURE.
SO YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION 24 0 0 1 2 6 AT 24 WEST STONE MALL DRIVE.
UH, THE STRUCTURE FOR REVIEW IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF WEST STONEWALL DRIVE AND LEE STREET IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 2087 DASH FOUR DASH 91.
THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATE IN THIS APPLICATION IS REPLACED WOOD SIDING WITH VINYL SIDING INSTALLED VINYL FASCIA AND SOFFIT OVER EXISTING MATERIAL.
AND THIS WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED.
IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE A MIXTURE OF WOOD AND VINYL WINDOWS WITH DUMP HUNG VINYL WINDOWS THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE.
NOW, IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN, UH, DO THIS AND, UH, DISCUSS THESE SEPARATELY.
UH, SO IN, IN WITH YOUR STAFF REPORT, UH, CERTIFICATE, APPROPRIATE APPLICATION AND HISTORIC DISTRICT SURVEY, UH, BRIEF HISTORY OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THE BUILDING WAS ESTIMATED DATE OF CONSTRUCTION BETWEEN 1890 AND 1900.
THIS IS THE, UH, PHOTOGRAPH FROM THE, UH, THE SURVEY OF THE, UH, HOME.
WHEN THEY DID THE HISTORIC SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THEY DID NOTE THAT THE HOUSE CONTRIBUTES TO THE PREDOMINANT LATE 19TH CENTURY CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT.
IT IS ONE OF THE THREE CONTRIBUTING HOUSES ON THE SECTION OF STONEWALL DRIVE BETWEEN SOUTH ROYAL AND LEE STREET.
UH, THIS IS A CURRENT PHOTOGRAPH DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HOUSE WITH VINYL SIDING ON IT.
AND THAT WAS A PICTURE FROM THE 1993 REPORT.
UH, PART OF THE MAJOR ACTIONS FOR REVIEW, UH, FOR THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
UH, YOU'RE IN CHARGE WHEN THERE'S ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OR ALTERATION OF THE EXTERIOR ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF A DESIGNATED LANDMARK OR CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY.
ALSO, ANY OTHER MAJOR ACTIONS, NOT SPECIFICALLY COVERED BY THE TERMS OF THIS SECTION, BUT WHICH WOULD HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL EFFECT ON THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO WE DID RE UH, WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN SOME PHOTOGRAPHS.
THIS IS THE HOUSE THAT WAS BOARDED UP, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UH, WITH, UH, WOOD SIDING STILL INTACT.
UH, THAT SENSE WAS PAINTED AND IT, AFTER THAT PHOTOGRAPHS WAS, UH, SUPPLIED BY THE APPLICANT.
UH, NOW WE HAVE THE VINYL SIDING INSTALLED OVER THE WOOD, UH, FRONT VIEW OF THE HOME AND THE LEFT FRONT, UH, WHICH THEY DID GET A PERMIT FOR THE, UH, STAIRS UP THE BACK.
UH, THEN WE GET INTO THE WINDOWS, BUT WE CAN DISCUSS THE BUILDING FIRST, IF YOU LIKE, SINCE THE VINYL SIDING WAS APPLIED, UH, WITHOUT THE APPROPRIATE PERMITS, IF YOU'D LIKE.
AND THE APPLICANT'S HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY YES.
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SO WHAT'S, UM, YOUR HOME IN THERE OR YOU'RE RENTING IT OR? WE MA I MANAGE IT.YOU MANAGE IT? IT'S GONNA BE, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR RENTAL.
AND YOU, I GUESS BEEN WORKING WITH FOR A WHILE? WE HAVE BEEN, AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE WORK WE'VE DONE IN THE INSIDES.
OH REALLY? I REMEMBER THAT HOUSE FROM WHEN I WAS, UH,
SO IT'S COOL THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE WORKING.
UM, WHAT WAS THE DECISION? WHAT WAS THE DRIVER FOR THE COVERING THE VINYL? WELL, WE HAD TRIED PAINTING IT TWICE, UM, BUT WATER WAS PENETRATING IN AND IT REALLY WASN'T, I MEAN, PART OF IT WAS WOOD SIDING.
PART OF IT WAS T ONE 11, WHICH IS LIKE EXTERIOR PANELING.
AND PART OF IT WAS JUST LIKE WOOD THAT WAS CUT THAT LOOKED LIKE SIDING.
UM, SO WE TRIED PAINTING IT, TRIED DOING STUFF.
AND SO IT WAS TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, AND YOUR PLAN FOR THE WINDOWS? WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED THE WINDOWS, UM, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THE ENERGY EFFICIENT VINYL DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE A MIXED MATCH OF RIGHT.
YOU WANNA COVER THE WINDOWS? YEAH, WE ADDED THERE.
SO ON THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, THERE'S TWO EXISTING VINYL CLAD WINDOWS WITH WOOD MUS ON THE REAR.
UH, THE FRONT SIDE OF THE HOUSE HAS FIVE SIX OVER SIX WOOD WINDOWS.
THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE HAS FIVE EXISTING SIX OVER SIX WOOD WIND, WOOD WINDOWS.
THEN THERE'S THREE EXISTING TWO OVER TWO WOOD WINDOWS IN THE BUMP OUT.
UM, ALSO ON THE EAST SIDE, A TOTAL OF SEVEN WINDOWS FIVE ARE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS AND TWO ARE EXISTING VINYL WINDOWS.
SO THERE'S A COMBINATION OF WINDOWS ON THE STRUCTURE.
PREDOMINANTLY WE CAN ASSUME THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS ARE STILL THERE APART FROM A HANDFUL OF REPLACEMENTS.
DO YOU MIND TO GO BACK TO THE PICTURE THAT SHOWED TWO VINYL WINDOWS? COULD YOU TELL ME WHICH ONES THEY ARE? BECAUSE I'VE BEEN BY THERE AND I THOUGHT ONLY ONE OF 'EM WAS VINYL.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO, UH, TWO EXISTING VINYL CLAD WINDOWS THERE.
LAUREN, WE WENT OUT AND TOOK, TOOK THE PHOTOGRAPHS THIS MORNING.
YEAH, THAT'S A VINYL WRAP AROUND.
BUT ON THE EAST SIDE, ON THE OTHER SIDE, LIKE WHERE THE UM, LIKE THE STAIRS ARE LOCATED, THAT SIDE? YES.
BUT I THOUGHT THE REST OF THE APPEARED TO BE WOOD.
WHEN I WENT OUT THERE, I JUST SAW THE VINYL AROUND THAT.
LIKE, I CAN TELL THAT TOP ONE IS VINYL.
UM, DEFINITELY THAT ONE'S AT LEAST GOT FINAL WRAP AROUND THAT PIECE.
I DON'T, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES ARE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE WOOD WINDOWS, THEY'RE DIFFERENT STYLES AND A MISMATCH OF SIZES.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF OVER TIME THEY'VE JUST BEEN REPLACED OR WHAT HAPPENED.
I FEEL FAIRLY CONFIDENT SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT FACES LEE STREET.
THE WINDOWS THAT FACE LEE STREET.
I FEEL LIKE THOSE WINDOWS ARE PROBABLY ALL THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
SO YOU THINK SIX OVER SIX WAS THE ORIGINAL STYLE? YES.
WELL, YOU GUYS WANNA TACKLE IT ONE AT A TIME.
WELL, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS IN THIS PICKLE.
WE'VE GOT HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN.
AND THAT ONE HAS BEEN NEGLECT FOR A LONG TIME.
A HUGE EXPENSE TO, TO DO IT PROPERLY.
TO DO IT, TO TAKE WOOD SIDING AND EITHER RESTORE IT OR REPLACE IT LIKE THE, LIKE, SAME WITH THE WINDOWS.
IT'S A BIG EXPENSE, BUT IT IS A BUILDING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE HOUSE HAS BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PRESERVE IT AS BEST WE CAN.
THAT BEING SAID, THE VINYL, THE WOOD SIDING IS STILL THERE.
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IT'S UNDERNEATH VINYL.A HUNDRED PERCENT IN TECH UNDERNEATH.
SO WHAT AND EVEN THE, SORRY I DIDN'T MAKE CUT YOU OFF.
EVEN THE COLOR, IF YOU COMPARE THE OLD ONE TO THIS ONE, IT'S EXTREMELY SIMILAR, RIGHT? IT'S A 1993 PHOTO.
NO, I THINK IT LOOKS, THE VINYL SIDING LOOKS OKAY AND IT LOOKS AS GOOD AS IT COULD, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THE WOOD, BUT THAT IT, IT DOES IT JUSTICE.
I GUESS THE PROBLEM IS WE SET A PRECEDENT.
IF EVERYBODY GOES AROUND SLAPPING UP VINYL SIDING, UH, IT'S JUST, IT GETS OUTTA HAND AND PEOPLE JUST START TEARING OLD STUFF OUT AND PUTTING UP NEW STUFF.
AND WE, WE LOSE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF ALL THESE GREAT HOMES.
SO WE, OUR JOB IS TO FIND A BALANCE BETWEEN AFFORDABILITY AND PRESERVATION.
I MEAN, SO THE LAST THING I WANT TO MAKE YOU DO IS TEAR OFF WHAT I SIDING.
LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY DOING THAT.
BUT I THINK IF WE COULD REACH A COMPROMISE, YOU COULD ASSURE US THAT YOU WOULD PUT IN THE EFFORT TO REPLACE THESE WINDOWS THAT NEED REPLACEMENT, THAT CAN'T BE RESTORED WITH WOOD WINDOWS THAT ACCURATELY MATCH WHAT WAS THERE.
I THINK WE COULD, WE COULD COME TO AN AGREEMENT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING SIX SIX, UM, SIX PANE WOOD WINDOWS.
AND, AND LEAVE THE VINYL SIDING AND GO BACK WITH REAL LITTLE WINDOWS.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT? I'D LIKE TO SEE THE FIRST EFFORT BE TO PRESERVE THE WINDOWS.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE INSIDE OF THE HOME.
BUT FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOME, SORRY, I DID TRESPASS ON YOUR PROPERTY BECAUSE I KNEW WE WERE GONNA BE REVIEWING THIS AND I DIDN'T WANNA COME IN WITHOUT HAVING ANY IDEA AT ALL.
THERE'S A LOT OF PAINT ON THEM, BUT I RESTORED THEM IN MY HOME SO I KNOW WHAT'S INVOLVED IN RESTORING OLD WOODEN WINDOWS.
AND TO ME, THERE'S EVEN SOME PLACES WHERE THE WOOD HAS BEEN REPLACED IN A COUPLE OF THEM.
SO SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY STARTED TO DO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS UNDER YOUR OWNERSHIP SOME OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT THERE HAS BEEN AN EFFORT IN SOME OF THOSE WINDOWS TO, TO REPAIR.
UM, SO MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO SEE THOSE WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST EFFORT IS TO TRY TO SAVE AS MANY OF THEM AS YOU POSSIBLY COULD SAVE.
UM, AS FOR THE VINYL SIDING, MY QUESTION, AND I DON'T, I LEGITIMATELY DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS.
IF THERE WAS WOOD COMING WATER COMING IN BEHIND THE WOOD CAUSING DAMAGE TO THE INTERIOR OF THE HOME, IF THAT WAS NOT PROPERLY FIXED, IS PUTTING VINYL SIDING OVER IT, FIXING IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, SO I'M KIND OF LOOKING TO YOU FOR THAT.
WELL, YES AND NO, REALLY, YOU GOTTA START AT THE TOP AND WORK YOUR WAY DOWN.
SO IF THE FLASHING AROUND THE, THE ROOF LOOKS LIKE IT'S EITHER BEEN PAINTED OR REPLACED, I DON'T KNOW.
WAS IT JUST PAINTED? JUST PAINTED? YEAH.
SO WE'VE GOT THE FLASHING AROUND THE CHIMNEYS IS A POTENTIAL SOURCE, AND THEN THE GUTTERS AND THE DOWNSPOUTS, AND I DON'T SEE A GUTTER ALONG.
THE LEE STREET SIDE, THE, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE SHOVING WATER ON THE FACE OF THE WALL AND WRAP IT UNDERNEATH THE S SOCKET.
BUT IF YOU'VE ADDRESSED THOSE THINGS AND YOU'RE KEEPING THE WATER OFF THE WALL, YES, THE
AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN AN ESTIMATE TO REPAIR THE WOOD AND WHAT THAT WOULD'VE COST FIRST.
PUTTING THE VINYL SIDING AROUND IT.
UM, YEAH, YOU KNOW, OUR HANDS ARE TIED NOW BECAUSE IT'S UP, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN AN ESTIMATE JUST TO SEE WHAT WOULD IT COST ME.
DO YOU HAVE TO REPLACE EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF WOOD? I DON'T THINK SO.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT EITHER, BUT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MY PREFERENCE TO SEE THAT ROUTE GONE FIRST, FOR SURE.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, DETAILED PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS? UM, BESIDES THESE LIKE UP CLOSE? YEAH, LIKE UP CLOSE.
I MEAN, NOT OMNI, BUT I DEFINITELY CAN, CAN TAKE SOME.
I JUST, I CAN TELL THAT SOME, LIKE THE STONEWALL SIDE ONES, IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE MONTH AND THEY'RE EITHER GONE OR THEY'VE BEEN PAINTED IN A WAY
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THAT MAKES 'EM LOOK LIKE THEY'RE COMPLETELY GONE.I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
BUT IF THEY ARE SALVAGEABLE, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST MM-HMM.
IT'S, UM, AND THEN IF NOT REPLACING THEM WITH WOOD SIX PAINT, LIKE THE LIKE YEAH.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, IF THEY, IF THE WOOD IS STILL IN RELATIVELY GOOD CONDITION, IT'S, IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO FIX 'EM UP.
UM, I'VE GOT A SHOT FULL OF THEM RIGHT NOW.
NO, I DON'T WANT
BUT
ARE YOU INTO DOING STUFF LIKE THAT? WE HAVE.
WE CAN FIND SOMEBODY THAT CAN.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO BRING UP TO HE, WELL, HE PRETTY MUCH HANDLED.
SO YOU KNEW THAT IT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
NOT NECESSARILY YOU, BUT WHOEVER YOU WORK WITH KNEW THAT IT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT WE, YOU HAD TO ASK ABOUT THE DOORS.
SO WHAT HAPPENED WITH WINDOWS AND VINYL? WELL, WE DIDN'T TOUCH THE VI WE DIDN'T TOUCH THE WINDOWS.
BUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE VINYL THOUGH? I MEAN, WHAT WE DIDN'T TEAR ANYTHING DOWN.
LIKE I BUT NOTHING WAS DEMOLISHED.
EVERYTHING'S A HUNDRED PERCENT INTACT.
SO YOUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT AS LONG AS YOU DIDN'T TEAR IT OFF, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE BAR.
ARE YOU DOING ANYTHING WITH THE GUARDERS TOWN SPOUSE? WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THEM.
AND WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN WITH HOW WE PATCHED IT, UM, AND REPLACED SOME PIECES OF METAL, LIKE FOR LIKE YEAH.
THOSE ROOF ARE SUPPOSED TO LAST A HUNDRED YEARS ANYWAY, BUT IF THEY HADN'T BEEN PAINTED, THEN IT CAN SHORTEN THAT LIFESPAN.
AND THAT PROBABLY SAT THERE EMPTY FOR 25, 30 YEARS.
AND IT MIGHT AS WELL HAVE BEEN BEFORE THAT.
AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS THINKING ON THESE WINDOWS? WHAT CAN WE, WHAT CAN WE DO? FIRST OFF THE, THE SIDING ARE WE, WE DON'T WANNA SET A PRECEDENT THAT I, YOU CAN PUT UP FINAL SIDING A WITHOUT COMING BEFORE THE BOARD AND B AS A FIRST CHOICE, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE WANNA WORK WITH PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE.
UM, ARE YOU GUYS WILLING TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION IN THIS CASE? I WOULD SAY MAKE THE MOTION
I WOULD YOU WOULD SAY LEAVE IT MAYBE WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW? YEAH.
IT'S HARD BECAUSE OF THE WATER DAMAGE.
BUT YEAH, IT'S HARD BECAUSE IT'S SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT WE CAN, WE CAN JUST DO THIS EVERY TIME.
THAT'S THIS PROBLEM, WHICH IS COMMON COMING.
AND I DON'T KNOW, THERE WERE I THINK SOME MEETINGS WHERE I WASN'T HERE, WHERE OTHER PEOPLE HAD DONE THE SAME THING AND I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THE VERDICT ON THAT BEFORE? I THINK IN THE PAST IF THEY LIKE JUST ABSOLUTELY REMOVED THE MATERIAL.
THAT WAS A BIGGER ISSUE THAN JUST COVER.
I MEAN, IF THE WOOD IS STILL UNDER THERE.
AND THEY DID TRY TO MATCH IT REALLY WELL, YOU KNOW, AND YOU FIXED THE ROOF ISSUES, SO IT'S NOT GONNA KEEP LEAKING WATER.
AND, UM, THE ONE THING THAT CAN BE AN ISSUE WITH THAT SIDING, THE CLADDING THAT THEY PUT AROUND THE WINDOWS, IT'S LIKE THEY, THEY WRAPPED THE, THE JAMS AND THE SILLS.
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TURNED IN AND TERMINATED.LIKE USUALLY IT'S JUST, IT'S A STRAIGHT TURN IN AND IT'S KIND OF EITHER GLUED OR NAILED ON AND THERE'S A BETA, A CAULK, AND AS SOON AS THAT BETA CAULK FAILS, ESPECIALLY ON THE SEAL, WATER WILL START POURING IN THERE AND THE SEAL WILL ROT UNDERNEATH THAT CLADDING.
YOU NEVER KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL YOUR PLASTER STARTS FALLING OFF YOUR, YOU SEE A STAIN ON THE DRYWALL.
BY THAT TIME, THE SIDING THAT'S UNDERNEATH THAT AND THE, AND THE SILL IS GONE.
SO IT, IT DOES POSE A POTENTIAL PROBLEM.
UM, NOW WHEN SHE REPLACES THE WINDOWS, IF SHE PUTS THE WOOD WINDOWS IN MM-HMM.
IF THE WHERE CAN'T MAKE IT UP HERE, BUT WHERE ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WOOD UNDERNEATH THERE.
SO WHY CAN THAT NOT BE EXPOSED AND RESTORED WHERE WE AT LEAST HAVE THE FULL WOODEN AND WINDOW IF THE VINYL SIDING STAYS? YEAH.
THERE STILL HAS TO BE A, A TRANSITION PIECE BETWEEN THE, THE VINYL AND THE, AND THE ORIGINAL WOOD.
BUT IT WOULD BE A SMALLER LIKE, TRIM PIECE, RIGHT.
RATHER THAN THAT FULL CLADDING.
SO WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS KEEPING THE VINYL SIDING PROVIDED THE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE EITHER RESTORED AND OR REPLACED.
YOU CAN PUT A CONDITION THAT STAFF SPECS IT BEFORE WE ISSUE THE FINAL RIGHT UPON A CONDITION OF A STAFF INSPECTION THAT A MOTION
UM, YOU WANT THE WRAPPING REMOVED FROM THE WINDOWS WHEN YOU GO TO, IF YOU RESTORE THESE WINDOWS MM-HMM.
THE SASH YOU CAN TAKE OUT WITHOUT REMOVING THE GLADDING.
SO YOU CAN TAKE THE SASH OUT, PUT IN THE TEMPORARY COVER, RESTORE THE S, AND THEN RESTORE THE JAM.
TAKE THAT CLADDING OFF, RESTORE THE JAM, AND GET A TRIM PIECE THAT TERMINATES YOUR SIDING AGAINST THE ORIGINAL WINDOW JAM.
SO THE FULL WOOD FRAME IS EXPOSED AND YOUR RESTORE SASH GO BACK IN THEN WOOD SILL, WOOD JAM AND WOOD WINDOW SASH, VINYL SIDING BUTTING UP AGAINST IT.
WOULD YOU ALL BE WILLING TO HAVE THAT FOR THE FRONT AND LEAVE IT ON THE SIDES THE WAY THAT IT IS? JUST HAVE THE FRONT FIVE WITH THE VINYL SIDING WRAP REMOVED AND THEN IT CAN STAY IN THE SIDES AND ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
UM, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY ARE ON THE HOUSE, YOU STILL HAVE THE ISSUE OF THE HIDDEN DAMAGE I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
AND THOSE ARE THE BEST WINDOWS WHEN YOU DRIVING DOWN THE STREET, YOU SEE THOSE RIGHT WHEN YOU PULL UP NEXT TO IT.
SO MY VOTE WOULD BE NO ON THAT.
IF YOU WANT THEM TO LOOK ALL THE SAME, ESPECIALLY, BUT NO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM, THE WOOD ALL THE WAY.
IT'S HARD TO TELL IN THAT PHOTO WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING ON WITH THAT CLADDING.
UM, EVEN IF IT IS, WE TOOK THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS TODAY.
IT IS WRAPPED ISN'T IT? AROUND THAT? DO YOU HAVE THE, WHEN IT'S BLUE, DO YOU HAVE THE WINDOWS WHEN THE HOUSE IS BLUE? YEAH.
IT'S HARD TO WHAT KIND OF BLURRY AREN'T THEY? MM-HMM.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE 'EM FROM THE OTHER SIDE AT ALL? NO, LET'S JUST SAY THIS, BUT I DON'T, I CAN'T TELL IF THEY ARE WRAPPED OR NOT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE, BUT THEY MAY NOT EVEN HAVE VINYL LAW.
OR THEY MAY HAVE JUST HAVE BEEN PAINTED.
THE JAMES MAY HAVE BEEN PAINTED.
UM, YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO TELL.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF REPLACING IF THEY'RE NOT REPAIRABLE
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WITH WOOD.DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT THE, THE, THE WHITE WRAPPING AROUND THEM CAN NOT STAY IF THEY'RE REPLACED OR REPAIRED.
I CAN'T EVEN TELL IF THEY BELIEVE IT WRAPPED.
WERE THEY, IS THAT A WRAPPING? DO YOU KNOW? BECAUSE I CAN'T THE WHITE AROUND THE YEAH, IT IS.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY HARD TO, TO FIX 'EM WITH THAT ON THERE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'VE BEEN NEGLECTED FOR A LONG TIME, WELL CONFIDENT WE CAN FIND SOMEONE IF TO FIX THE ORDER TO REPLACE THEM.
WE NEED SOME KIND OF A MECHANISM TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS.
WE NEED A, A CONDITION IN THE MOTION OF A STAT INSPECTION.
UM, HOW ARE PLANNING? I NEED TO BE SPECIFIC OF WHAT YOU WANT STAFF TO LOOK FOR.
I MEAN, IT'S GOT A, OR DO YOU WANNA MAKE, UH, MAKE A FIELD VISIT THE BAR, DO THAT TOO.
UM, BE GOOD FOR EVERYBODY TO KIND OF SEE HOW THESE THINGS WORK.
UM, ALSO, I DON'T WANNA HOLD UP YOUR PROGRESS EITHER.
YOU'RE IN THE THROES OF TRYING TO GET THIS PLACE FIXED UP.
UM, WHAT IS YOUR PLAN RIGHT NOW FOR THE WINDOWS? ARE YOU LIKE READY TO INSTALL VINYL, THE WINDOWS TOMORROW IF THE BAR APPROVES? YES.
HAVE YOU ALREADY BOUGHT VINYL WINDOWS? NO.
UM, SO YOU STILL NEED WINDOWS NO MATTER WHAT.
SO THE INSIDE WE'RE ABOUT TO BUNCH RUN AWAY THERE.
YOU GOTTA LEAVE TIME FOR WINDOWS NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.
SO WHAT IF WE PROVE THE VINYL SIDING TABLE, THE WINDOWS UNTIL A SITE VISIT THAT WE CAN DO UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING GIVES YOU TIME TO RESEARCH WOOD WINDOWS.
TAKE A LOOK AND EXAMINE WHICH ONES ARE SALVAGEABLE, WHICH ONES NEED REPLACEMENT? UM, I WILL BE OUTTA TOWN.
YOUR NEXT MEETING IN APRIL? MM-HMM.
SO I WANNA WORK WITH YOU ALL IF WE COULD POSSIBLY SETTLE THIS TONIGHT.
SO I KNOW MOVING FORWARD IS KIND OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
UM, I WOULD WANT TO BE HERE, BUT I AND I, I JUST WILL NOT BE IN TOWN THE SECOND WEEK OF THE NEXT MEETING IN APRIL.
OKAY, WELL WHY CAN'T WE, UH, SET IT TILL BEFORE WE HAVE THE NEXT MEETING, BUT THEY HAVE AN EMERGENCY ONE.
WELL, HERE IF SHE'S DOING LIKE, FOR, LIKE THAT'S ADMINISTRATIVE.
IF YOU'RE GONNA COME IN AND REPLACE IT WITH WOOD WINDOWS.
THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BAR.
WHICH YOU NEED TO BE PRESENT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
WELL, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO TABLE ANYTHING AT THAT POINT.
IF SHE'S, IF YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE WITH WOOD AND YOU LET JOHN OR I, WE'LL WE CAN JUST TAKE IT THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AT THAT POINT.
SO IF YOU GUYS ARE SAYING NO TO VINYL, THEN IT JUST KICKS BACK TO STAFF.
IF SHE'S JUST GONNA REPLACE WITH WOOD AND YOU NEED TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE, THE WRAPPING, THE WRAPPING.
WE NEED TO KNOW IF YOU WANT EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT.
IF YOU WANT WRAPPING, REMOVED OR IT COULD STAY.
YEAH, I THINK IT SHOULD BE REMOVED.
THE JAMS, THE SILLS AND THE SASH SHEET COULD BE RESTORED OR REPLACED IN CONTACT.
UM, AND THE VINYL SIDING CAN STAY.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? I AGREE WITH YOU.
AND I THINK THE FACT THAT YOU POINTED OUT THERE, THERE WAS SOME DANGER OF SOME DAMAGE BEING DONE IF, IF THE VINYL STAYS ON THE WINDOWS AND THAT'S, THAT TELLS ME.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UM, TO APPROVE THE VINYL SIDING AS INSTALLED ON THE CONDITION THAT WINDOWS THAT ARE NOT SALVAGEABLE FOR RESTORATION ARE RESTORED IN.
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JAMS, SASH, AND SILL WITH NO VINYL WRAP.UM, WITH A FOLLOW UP, UH, INSPECTION BY STAFF.
LOOKS LIKE THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE AGAIN FOR
SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
DO HAVE TAKING THAT DOWN THE ROAD UNTIL THE APPLICANT COMES, YOU GUYS CAN MAKE A DECISION ABOUT CAN APPROVE, DENY POSTPONE.
YOU GUYS WANT THE FILM TO GET ON THIS ONE? IT'S IT'S A LITTLE DRY IT MESS.
YEAH, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO, YES.
DECIDE IF WE WANT MAKE HIM MOVE ON TONIGHT.
UH, CONTINUATION OF 3 0 3 BLUE RIDGE AVENUE, COA APPLICATION 24 0 0 0 3 2.
UH, THERE'S THE OVERALL VIEW WHERE IT'S LOCATED AT.
LET ME GET THE, UH, REPORT ON THAT FOR YOU.
UM, JUST THAT PICTURE, WE, WE HAVE SOME MORE LOCATED AT THE CORNER, BLUE BRIDGE AND EAST PROSPECT STREET.
UH, THERE'S CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS FOR SEVERAL ITEMS FOR THE BAR OF CONSIDERATION, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF A DRIVEWAY OFF PROSPECT STREET INSTALLATION OF A, A DRIVEWAY OFF OF BLUE RIDGE AVENUE IN ADDITION OF A WALKWAY FROM PROSPECT STREET TO BLUE RIDGE AVENUE.
HANDRAIL FOR THE STAIRS ON THE PORCH ON BOTH THE PROSPECT SIDE STREET AND THE BLUE RIDGE AVENUE SIDE OF THE DWELLING.
UH, THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE, UH, HOME FROM THE 1993 SURVEY SHOWING THE PORCH AREA.
UH, THE ENTRANCE ON THE BLUE RIDGE IS HERE IN THE PROSPECT SIDE, WOULD BE OVER HERE.
THE ESTIMATED DATE OF CONSTRUCTION OF THIS HOME WAS 1880.
UH, AND IT IS A, UH, STRUCTURE IS FINALLY PRESERVED, UH, DURING THE, UH, INITIAL REPORT.
UH, THEY HAD A LOT OF DETAIL WITH THAT INCLUDED IN YOUR, UH, STAFF REPORT ON THAT.
UM, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER OTHER FRONT PORCH AREA, UH, SHOWING THE RAILING AROUND THE FRONT PORCH.
AND THE NEW, UH, AGAIN, IS HERE COMING OFF THE BLUE RIDGE SIDE AND THE PROSPECT SIDE THERE ON THE STREET.
ANOTHER VIEW OF THE HOME FROM 1993 SURVEY.
UH, AND THERE IS A PICTURE OF THE HOME WITH THE, UH, VINYL AND METAL RAILING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STEP.
UH, THERE'S ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT'S ON THE EAST PROSPECT SIDE.
THERE IS THE RAILING, UH, VINYL RAILING, UH, WITH IRON SPINDLES.
UH, NOT SIMILAR TO THE SPINDLES ON THE PORCH.
UH, THERE'S A PORTION OF THE PROSPECT SIDE WITH WOOD, UH, RAILING.
AND AGAIN, THE METAL SPINDLES THERE, UH, THAT WAS PHOTOGRAPH WAS TAKEN, UH, AGAIN, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT DID NOT COME IN AND GET A PERMIT.
SO CODE ENFORCEMENT STOPPED THEM ON THIS APPLICATION OR PRIOR TO THEM INSTALLING THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILING.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A, UH, A WALKWAY SIMILAR TO THIS, UH, CONNECTING THIS AROUND THE FRONT OF THE HOME OR MAYBE THAT, UH, THEY GAVE TWO EXAMPLES OF THE WALKWAY THEY WANTED TO INSTALL, UH, WITH A COUPLE OF STATUES ALONG THE WALKWAY.
UM, IT WASN'T EXTREMELY CLEAR WHAT THEIR INTENTION WAS.
UH, AGAIN, THEY HAD TWO VARIATIONS OF THE SIDEWALK THEY WANTED TO INSTALL AND ALSO ON THE RAILING, UH, ON THE PORCH.
YOU CAN NOTE ON THIS, UH, WHEN THEY INSTALLED THE RAILING, MAYBE THE PITCH IS PITCHER DOESN'T DO IT
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JUSTICE, BUT THOSE ARE NOT AT THE RIGHT HEIGHT, THE SAME HEIGHT, AND THEY'RE AT NOT AT THE SAME PITCH.UH, WE UNDERSTAND ON THE RAMP FROM THE AADA A THAT IS NOT AADA A COMPLIANT.
UH, SO, UH, SO, UH, PROBABLY IF WE MEASURED THAT THE A DA RAMP THAT THEY'RE GOING WOULD HAVE TO BUILD THAT, THAT WOULD BE EXTENDED FROM THE PORCH ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE SIDEWALK AT THE, UH, UH, GRADE THAT'S, UH, COMPATIBLE WITH A DA COMPLIANT RAMP.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE 1993 PICTURE OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE? THAT'S SINCE THEN THEY INSTALLED A FENCE WAS INSTALLED AROUND THE, THE SIDEWALK AREA HERE.
AND THEN FROM THIS PHOTOGRAPH, CAN WE GET, DO YOU HAVE ONE AT THE SIMILAR ANGLE OF WHERE WE ARE NOW WITH THIS HOUSE? UM, IT'S KIND OF THE OPPOSITE WAY, BUT YEAH.
LEAVE THAT THERE FOR A SECOND, JOHN.
SO THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE, HE'D BE WANTING TO DISTURB THE NEW FENCE WAS PUT UP HERE SOME TIME AGO.
THIS FENCE WAS, UH, AFTER 1993 AND THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT A SIDEWALK AROUND THIS AREA HERE AND CONNECT THAT UP.
BUT AGAIN, FOR THE A DA COMPLIANT RAMP, UH, WITHOUT GOING OUT AND MEASURING IT, IT LOOKS LIKE PROPORTIONALLY, I MEAN THE RAMP WOULD END OUT HERE AT THE SIDEWALK AND NOT ADD THE PROPOSED WALKWAY.
A DA HAS TO BE WHAT, ONE IN 12? YES.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, THE STEPS HERE, THOSE ARE PROBABLY, UH, AT LEAST EIGHT INCH STEPS.
SO 16, YOU GOT 20 SOME INCHES THERE.
UH, JUST LOOKING AT THE PHOTOGRAPH, I I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY A 20 INCH.
THEY WANTED TO HAVE A RAMP THERE.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT AND TURN AT 90 DEGREES AND DOWN THE FRONT OF THE PORCH.
AND I THINK WE TABLED IT BECAUSE WE WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION.
THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE IN THE APPLICATION THAT WE WEREN'T CERTAIN ABOUT IF WE USES THE WORD TARMAC.
THAT TO ME THAT TRANSLATES INTO A PARKING LOT.
BUT WE COULDN'T CONFIRM THAT BECAUSE HE WASN'T HERE.
AND WHAT ELSE, WHAT ELSE WERE OUR OTHER QUESTIONS? I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT WE TABLED IT FOR, UM, ANYBODY SPOKEN TO THIS PERSON? UM, ANYBODY FROM STAFF.
I, I SENT HIM AN EMAIL AFTER THE LAST MEETING TO LET HIM KNOW THAT IT WAS POSTPONED SO THAT HE OR REPRESENTATIVE COULD BE PRESENT TO ANSWER Y'ALL'S MANY QUESTIONS.
AND HE AND I TOLD HIM THAT WHEN THE DATE OF THIS MEETING AND HE SAID I'LL BE BACK BEFORE THEN.
I MESSAGE HIM AGAIN AND SEND HIM AN AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING.
HE WAS IN, UH, WAS IT AFRICA THE LAST MEETING? YEAH.
HIS APPLICATION STATES HE NEEDS TO BE THERE.
UH, HE'S CREATING A REMODIFICATION OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE ENVIRONMENT BY PROSPECT STREET, MAKE PAVING AND PARKING FROM PROSPECT STREET TO BLUE RIDGE, CREATE A WALKWAY IN THE INTERCEPTION OF PROSPECT AND BLUE RIDGE TO HAVE THE RELIGIOUS SIGN OF OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE AT THE END OF THE WALKWAY AND THE BLUE RIDGE AVENUE WAY DRIVEWAY TO HAVE PAVING, ENCLOSING THE ENCLOSING UNDER OF THE BUILDING WITH THE BEAUTIFUL STONES, THEN PUT RAIL ON ENTRANCE DOOR.
YOU ALL ALSO HAD A QUESTION BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT IS ON THE PORCH THERE LOOKED LIKE THE VINYL FENCING AND YOU HAD CONCERNS THAT IT WAS GONNA BE VINYL FENCING VERSUS WOOD GOING THERE.
SO YOU HAD QUESTIONED THAT AS WELL, RIGHT? WELL, THAT, THAT WHOLE SITUATION IS QUESTIONABLE.
I MEAN, YOU TOWN HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT, RIGHT? THE RAILINGS, THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY DOES ZONING INSPECTION, BUT HE DID NOT GET A ZONING PERMIT.
UH, WHICH SINCE THIS IS A MOVING STRUCTURE, HE HAD HAD TO COME TO THE BAR FOR THIS RAILING.
UH, FOR APPROVAL THEN GET A BUILDING PERMIT FROM THE COUNTY FOR INSTALLATION OF A DA COMPLIANT.
YOUR, UH, LANGUAGE BARRIERS GOING ON HERE.
SO OUR CONVERSATION WAS PRIMARILY WE, WE, WE DID NOT APPROVE OF USING A VINYL MATERIAL FOR THE HANDRAILS.
AND THAT WENT EVERYTHING FROM WHAT? THEN WE HAD CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO LOOK LIKE THEY GO WITH THE HOUSE.
BUT THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO SEE THE 93 PHOTO.
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BEEN HANDRAILS THERE BEFORE.SO THOSE WERE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT.
THE FENCE ISN'T ON THIS APPLICATION, SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN TECHNICALLY TALK ABOUT THAT OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT IT'S LEANING UP ON THE FRONT PORCH.
IT WASN'T PART OF HIS APPLICATION.
UH, WELL THIS, THIS IS THE NEXT SECTION.
THIS WAS THE SECTION HE WAS GOING TO INSTALL DOWN THIS SIDE.
THE RAILING, BUT NOT THE FENCING THAT'S ON THE FRONT PORCH.
THERE WAS FENCING LEANING UP ON THE FRONT PORCH LEADING UP AND THERE WAS A QUESTION.
I THINK ANOTHER QUESTION WE HAD IS THAT NUMBER EIGHT UNDER HIS 11 ITEMS WAS TO CLOSE UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE WITH STONES AND BRICKS.
WE DIDN'T KNOW TO BEAUTIFY THE HOUSE.
WE WEREN'T QUITE CERTAIN WHAT THAT ALL RIGHT.
SO WE NEED TO GET THIS GUY IN HERE.
BUT HOW LONG DO WE WAIT? HE, SHE'S BEEN IN TOUCH WITH HIM TWICE.
HE HASN'T BEEN HERE EITHER TIME.
AND I CALLED AND LEFT VOICEMAILS.
LET'S GIVE HIM ONE MORE CHANCE.
MAYBE HE REALLY IS IN ON SOME MISSION TRIP AND HE IS OUT THE COUNTRY.
THREE, THREE STRIKES YOU'RE OUT.
IS THAT UNREASONABLE? UH, IT'S Y'ALL'S DECISION.
WELL I KNOW ANYTHING YOU WANT.
IT'S A LOT OF WORK ON YOUR END.
I MEAN YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE PAY YOU ALL FOR EACH MEETING.
IS HE, HE'S ONLY PAID ONE APPLICATION FEE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THREE MEETINGS, NOT THAT YOU GUYS GET AN EXUBERANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO RETIRE ON
BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE COSTS INVOLVED AND STAFF AND OVER TIME AND, BUT YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER APPLICATIONS FOR NOT AS OF RIGHT NOW? WHEN'S THE CUTOFF? UH, MONDAY.
YEAH, WE PROBABLY PASS THE DEADLINE FOR APRIL.
YOU CAN TABLE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.
NOT NECESSARILY NEXT MONTH, BUT WHENEVER YOU HAVE APPLICATIONS AGAIN ALL DOWN.
I'M CURIOUS TO TALK TO THIS GUY.
I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO TABLE IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK.
I MEAN, IS WE GONNA SHOW, I MEAN YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN WAIT I GUESS.
AND IF WE'RE ALREADY GONNA BE MEETING RIGHT, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE ANY INCONVENIENCE EXCEPT FOR YOU GUYS ASSEMBLING ALL THIS PAPERWORK.
YOU CAN POSTPONE IT FOR ONE MORE MEETING AND IF NO REPRESENTATIVE WILL THEN DENY, DENY, DENY.
THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE YEAH, HE WOULD HAVE TO REAPPLY OR SOMETHING.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE VOTING ON THIS APPLICATION UNTIL THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
UM, AND IF HE DOES NOT MAKE AN APPEARANCE OR A REPRESENTATIVE DOES NOT MAKE AN APPEARANCE, THEN WE WILL DENY HIS APPLICATION.
NOW JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU SAID THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OR DO YOU WANNA SAY A MEETING IN APRIL? NO, I DO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
SO IT COULD BE WHENEVER WE MEET NEXT, JUST WANNA BE SURE.
YEAH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE JUST FOR HIM.
WHAT WE DO, I WILL SAY, I MEAN IF YOU GET THESE APPLICATIONS, IF YOU, UH, AND LIKE IN THE PAST, IF YOU WANNA MAKE A FIELD VISIT, WE CAN LOOK AT THESE APPLICATIONS.
IF YOU WANNA MAKE A FIELD VISIT, SEE THESE HOUSES, WE DID THAT IN THE PAST FOR THE BAR.
NO MORE THAN TWO OF YOU GO AT A TIME.
IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A MEETING.
WASN'T THERE ALSO THERE WERE LIKE SOME OUTBUILDINGS AND WE'RE NOT SURE IF THEY'RE ALL THERE.
SO DO YOU PROBABLY AND YOU'RE, THEY'RE NOT THERE ANYMORE.
THE ONE OUT BUILDING I THINK GOT DAMAGED AND MIGHT EVEN BE GONE.
DO YOU GUYS WANNA GO QUESTION THIS GUY? HE'S NEVER THERE.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE'S BEEN ABSOLUTELY NO MOVEMENT SINCE OUR LAST MEETING.
IT'S QUESTIONABLE WHETHER OR NOT HE LIVES THERE.
I'M NOT SURE, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE, THERE HASN'T BEEN, I HAVE NOT SEEN A SINGLE PERSON COMING AND GOING.
THERE HASN'T BEEN A VEHICLE THAT I'VE EVER SEEN COMING AND GOING.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S, THERE'S NO ONE THERE AT ALL.
BUT HOWEVER, ONCE IN A WHILE, LATE AT NIGHT, SOMEBODY COMES OUT PUSHING SOMEBODY IN A WHEELCHAIR OR BE A LADY THAT WOULD PUT A CHILD ON THE BUS IN THE MORNING.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE SEEN THAT THOUGH.
SO IT IS A BIT OF A MYSTERY AS TO WHERE HE IS AND WHEN HE'S COMING BACK AND IF ANYONE, HE'S LIVING THERE, BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN, THEY HAVEN'T GOT CONTINUED WITH THE WORK.
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WELL YOU GUYS SHOULD GO OVER THERE ABOUT 10 O'CLOCK.I JUST GO BY THERE AT 10 O'CLOCK.
IS THAT WHEN YOU WANNA DO YOUR ONSITE VISIT?
WHO, WHOMEVER SAY, HEY, WHAT YOU, WHAT'S GOING ON? WASN'T THERE SOME OTHER QUESTION ALSO ABOUT LIKE THE DRIVEWAY.
IT WAS, IF IT WAS ALL GONNA BE LIKE CONNECTED LIKE A ROUNDABOUT THING OR UM, OR JUST BIG GIANT PARKING LOT, WHICH I SUSPECT IS WHAT HE MEANS BY BACK.
WELL IF HE WAS GONNA PUT LIKE A, A DRIVE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, PROSPECT TO BLUE RIDGE AND HE'D HAVE TO TEAR OUT A BUNCH OF STUFF THAT'S THERE, THE DECK.
AND YOU DID SAY ITEM NUMBER FIVE BY THE BLUE RIDGE AVENUE DRIVEWAY TO MAKE INSIDE IN TARMAC.
SO THEN IS THAT GONNA REQUIRE CARRYING DOWN THOSE OUTBUILDINGS? YEAH.
THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT OTHER THAN JUST THE VINYL ON THE, THE RAILINGS.
ALRIGHT, WELL YOU THINK ORIGINAL STRUCTURES FROM FOR SURE 1892? YES, I THINK THAT'S CORRECT.
I THINK I READ THAT IN THE PACKET.
WELL, I'M ANXIOUS TO, TO MEET WHOEVER THROUGH I APPLICANT A SECOND.
DO YOU NOT MS. POTTER? I SECOND.
YEAH, THE AND THEY VOTED AND WE VOTED.
ANY OTHER BUSINESS WE NEED TO LOOK AT? I'M SORRY, WHAT?
UM, ALL RIGHT, WELL I'LL, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.