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BUDGET WORK SESSION IF NECESSARY.IF THERE'S ANY ITEMS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS THAT YOU WANNA
[Town Council Work Session on March 4, 2024.]
KNOW MORE ABOUT, JUST LET ME KNOW OR, OR JOE KNOW, AND WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL AS WELL AS, UH, APRIL 1ST IS ANOTHER WORK SESSION.WE CAN ADD SOME BUDGET ITEMS ON THERE IF NEED BE.
UH, BUT OUR PLAN RIGHT NOW, BASED ON THE BUDGET CALENDAR, IS TO DISCUSS THE ADVERTISEMENT TO BE SUBMITTED FOR THE ANNUAL TAX RATE.
UH, THIS WILL BE PERSONAL PROPERTY AND REAL ESTATE TAXES.
APRIL 2ND, THE ADVERTISEMENT WOULD BE SUBMITTED, UH, FOR THE ANNUAL APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE AND TAX RATES.
APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE IS THE ORDINANCE TO APPROVE THE BUDGET AND TAX RATES THAT APRIL 8TH, WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER, UH, ADDITIONAL BUDGET WORK SESSION IF NEEDED.
SO OVERALL, UH, COUNTING TODAY, THERE'S FOUR WORK SESSIONS SCHEDULED THAT WE COULD DISCUSS.
UM, APRIL 22ND, REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.
THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND REQUEST APPROVAL FOR THE TOWN, UH, TO APPROVE THE TAX RATES FOR THE PERSONAL PROPERTY AND REAL ESTATE, UH, SEWER RATE ORDINANCE, AND THEN ALSO THE APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE FOR THE 24 25 BUDGET.
AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM THERE, JUST PUT A LITTLE NOTE, THAT SOLID WASTE ARE GONNA BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ON SOLID WASTE.
WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT.
UM, PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE MEET, WE MEETING WEEKLY ON THAT.
UH, BUT WE PLAN TO HAVE SOMETHING DUE TO COUNCIL HERE BEFORE JUNE 30TH.
UM, THAT SCHEDULE IS, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH EACH YEAR, RIGHT? WOULD WE NORMALLY, IT'S ACTUALLY LATER.
I WAS, I WAS GONNA, BUT WITH THE CHANGE THAT WE MADE TO ALLOW OUR TAX BILLS TO, WELL, WE HAVEN'T APPROVED IT YET, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S BASED ON THIS.
AND IF EVERYTHING WERE TO FALL IN LINE, UM, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE TIGHT, BUT WE COULD STILL DO IT WITH APRIL 22ND.
UM, BUT, UM, BUT NO, THIS IS, UH, BASED UPON US, UH, CHANGING THE TAX DUE DATE, UH, TO, FOR A COUPLE WEEKS.
JUNE 20TH, OR AT THE VERY LEAST, DELAYING IT.
ALSO, I JUST WANNA SAY TOO, LIKE THIS IS FOR COUNSEL'S BENEFIT IS THAT, UM, BJ IS ALSO ALWAYS WILLING TO SIT DOWN WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S SOMETHING FOR THE GOOD OF THE GROUP, THEN THIS IS A, THE WORK SESSION'S A GOOD TIME TO DO IT.
BUT I KNOW MYSELF, LIKE SEVERAL YEARS IN A ROW, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH BJ GO IN, I WOULD ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT, WHAT IS THIS? WHAT IS THAT? AND HE IS VERY THOROUGH AND ALWAYS KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE THINGS ARE AND, AND ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT.
SO I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT WITH, UH, ANY OF YOU GUYS.
UH, SIT DOWN AND, AND GO THROUGH IT.
UM, JUST TO GO IN MORE DEPTH, IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE ASKING IN PUBLIC MEETING OR I WANT TO KNOW MORE.
SO, LET'S START OUT WITH THE REVENUE FORECASTING.
THIS IS KIND OF MY BOILERPLATE THAT I PUT UP THERE.
UH, EACH YEAR, THE, UM, UH, FORECASTING IS NOT PRECISE SCIENCE.
COMMONWEALTH VIRGINIA REVISES THEIR REVENUES MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT A YEAR.
WEATHER CAN SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT US IF IT'S HOT OUTSIDE BEFORE USING THEIR AIR CONDITIONER.
UM, WATER AND GRASSES, UH, THE, UH, DATA USED IN THE FORECASTING, I GET THAT FROM MANY DIFFERENT PLACES.
UH, AMP OHIO OR AMP PARTNERS, AMP INK, SORRY, I'LL GET THAT STRAIGHT.
YET NOW, OUR CONSULTING FIRM FOR OUR PURCHASE POWER, I USE THAT TO BUILD INTO THE ELECTRIC, UH, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR OUR VDOT FUNDING, UH, HISTORIC TRENDS, INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, TALKING TO THE TOWN, CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES.
SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE SEEING.
UH, AS WELL AS, UH, STAFF FEEDBACK, EVEN WITH THE MOST RELIABLE DATA THAT CONTINUES TO BE A LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY IN FORECASTING.
I CAN GO THROUGH THESE THINGS.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE BEST INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND AS WE GO THROUGH THE, UH, THE REVENUE, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS LACKING, WE WILL ADDRESS IT INTERNALLY.
AND, AND WE, IF WE'RE GOING OVER BUDGET AND REVENUE, I'LL COME TO COUNCIL SOMETIMES AND REQUEST, HEY, WE'RE GONNA USE THIS, THESE FUNDS FOR THIS AND REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
I THINK WE DID PAVING, ALTHOUGH I TOOK THAT MONEY BACK THERE.
BUT NOW I DID COME BACK FROM PAVING SNAPSHOT OF THE 24 25, UH, BUDGET OVERALL.
SO, UM, ROUGH FIGURE AT THE BOTTOM THERE, WE'RE INCREASING 1.9 MILLION, 3.9%.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE GENERAL FUND TO THE SPECIAL PROJECTS, YOU'LL SEE THE GENERAL FUND WENT UP 1.4 MILLION SPECIAL PROJECTS.
DEBT SERVICE FUND WENT DOWN $588,000 THERE.
I'LL EXPLAIN THAT HERE ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, THE, UH, REST OF THE FUNDS NOT TOO MUCH OF AN INCREASE THERE.
UH, STREETS, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE VDOT FUNDING COMING IN, AND THEN SOLID WASTE, UH, DOES, IS ATTRIBUTED TO THE RATES OR THE RATE INCREASE THAT WE'LL BE DOING HERE OR PROJECTED HERE, UH, BY JUNE 30TH.
AND I'LL GO DIVE INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO, JOSH, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SORRY, HE ALREADY, HE, HE JUST ANSWERED IT.
YEAH, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN AT ANY TIME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I HOPE, ANSWERING QUESTIONS AT ALL AS WE
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GO THROUGH THIS.SO WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT WITH THE DEBT SERVICE, UH, FUND DECREASE IN THE GENERAL FUND INCREASE IN PRIOR YEARS, WE USED DEBT SERVICE FUND FOR THE LAND ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, AND THE FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING LAST YEAR.
DURING THE AUDIT, THE AUDITORS REQUESTED THAT WE PUT THOSE DEBT SERVICES UNDER GENERAL FUND VERSUS SHOWING THEM UNDER THE DEBT SERVICE FUND.
UM, THE DEBT SERVICE FUND IS A PORTION OF THE TOWN'S REAL ESTATE TAXES.
OUR REAL ESTATE TAXES ACTUALLY WAS IN CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET, FISCAL YEAR 24, BROKEN UP INTO THREE DIFFERENT FUNDS.
GENERAL FUND, THE DEBT SERVICE FUND, SPECIAL PROJECT FUND.
AND AS YOU SEE THERE, UH, FROM 25 TO 24, UM, 1.7 MILLION, 1.8 MILLION OVERALL, UH, THERE WAS A, A SLIGHT DECREASE, UH, IN THE REVENUE, UH, FOR REAL ESTATE.
BUT, UM, OVERALL, THE MONEY IS STILL THERE.
WE'RE NOT, UH, THE BUDGET IS BUILT BASED UPON KEEPING THE TAX RATES THE SAME FOR BOTH PERSONAL PROPERTY AND REAL ESTATE.
AND I'LL GET INTO THAT HERE IN JUST A SECOND.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I KNOW I JUST SAID A LOT THERE.
WHAT, UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY THE AUDITORS, I MEAN, WHY, UM, IS IT JUST THAT THEY WANT IT TO BE ALL UNDER THE GENERAL FUND VERSUS DEBT SERVICES? YEAH, THEY WANT IT TO BE UNDER THE GENERAL FUND.
MAIN REASON IS THAT WE HAVE TO DO A TRANSFER BECAUSE THE DEBT SERVICE IS ACTUALLY A SUBSIDIARY OF THE GENERAL FUND.
SO IN THE 13TH PERIOD OF THE FISCAL YEAR, WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING AN ENTRY TO MOVE THE FUNDS BACK FROM DEBT SERVICE OVER TO GENERAL FUND.
THIS KEEPS IT MORE CONSISTENT, ALLEVIATES, UM, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE REPORTING.
IT'S OVERALL, IT'S NOT AFFECTING US ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
IT'S JUST SHOWING IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
BUT WE CAN STILL SEE WHICH PART OF THE GENERAL, I MEAN, WE COULD BUT BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE DEBT SERVICE IS THAT'S PART OF THE GENERAL FUND.
I PUT IT IN IN THE LINE ITEMS. YES.
IN THE LINE ITEMS. UH, THERE'S A, UH, A PAGE.
INSTEAD OF HAVING A SEPARATE FUND, IT'S NOW JUST ON A, UH, IT'S IN A DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET UNDER THE GENERAL FUND FOR DEBT SERVICE.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S, IT'S VERY CLEAR.
IT LISTS OUT THE, UM, UH, THE RATES, THE TERMS, IT'S ALL INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE PAGE NUMBERS IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE THE REVENUE WAS JUST SO, UH, FOR REFERENCE.
THAT BE THE, UH, SOLID WASTE INCREASE.
UH, IS THAT REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING? UH, YES.
I HAVE THE SLIDE IN HERE FROM THE, UH, FROM THE CONSULTANT.
IT'S 9.5% FOR RESIDENTIAL OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
SORRY, I JUST HAVEN'T GOT THERE YET.
UM, THIS IS A LITTLE PRELIMINARY, BUT I WENT AHEAD AND PUT IT IN HERE.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO DISCUSSING THIS AGAIN ON APRIL 1ST.
UM, BUT IT SHOWS OUR RATES FROM 2006 UP TO 2024 PROJECTED, UH, PROJECTED FOR, UH, 2024.
UH, SO, UH, STARTING, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF REASSESSMENT NOW, THE REASSESSMENTS WILL GO INTO EFFECT NEXT YEAR.
UH, THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE HAS MOVED EVERY TWO YEARS FOR, UH, REASSESSMENTS BASED ON THE 2023 REAL ESTATE TAX REVENUE.
1 CENT OF REAL ESTATE TAX RATE IS $173,225 IN REVENUE.
THE REAL ESTATE TAXES PROPOSED TO REMAIN THE SAME, UH, AT, UH, 10 CENTS PER $100 IN VALUE.
UH, THE WAY WE BUILT THE BUDGET, UH, AS YOU SEE, OUR, OUR RATES ARE GENERALLY CHANGING WITH THE REASSESSMENTS.
YOU SEE IN 2007 WHEN, UH, THE PROPERTY VALUES DECREASED, WE ALSO DECREASED OUR RATES.
AND YOU SEE IT GO BACK UP IN 2011 THERE.
UH, WE DID ADD THE 2 CENTS IN FOR THREE MAJOR PROJECTS AND, UM, UH, DECREASED IT BY HALF A PERCENT THERE.
FROM WHAT, UH, IN 2020? 2020, WE DECREASED IT.
ANY QUESTIONS THERE? PERSONAL PROPERTY.
SO, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATES HAVE REMAINED THE SAME SINCE 2011.
LAST INCREASE WAS 2010 TO 2011, UM, REMAINED AT 64 CENTS PER $100.
BASED ON THE 2023 PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUE.
IT EQUALS $14,055 FOR EVERY CENT.
PRELIMINARY INFORMATION SHOWS THAT PROPERTY, PERSONAL PROPERTY VALUES, UH, WILL DECREASE AND SOME IN 2024.
UM, IT'S, UH, STILL A LITTLE BIT EARLY, BUT FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE, UH, WE DO EXPECT A DECREASE BECAUSE OF THE, UM, THE DEMAND.
NOT THE DEMAND, BUT THE, UM, SUPPLY SUPPLY.
THE CARS, YEAH, THE SUPPLY OF CARS HAS, UH, COME BACK UP.
UH, SO, UM, THE DEMAND'S NOT THERE FOR THE USED VEHICLES, UH, THAT WE WERE SEEING.
SO THEY'RE STARTING TO DECREASE A LITTLE BIT.
UH, THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUE FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, IT'S PROJECTED TO BE NEAR FISCAL YEAR 22.
I JUST KIND OF PUT IT DOWN THERE.
SO FISCAL YEAR 25, 570 $9,320.
AND THEN YOU SEE THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS.
23 IS WHEN THE, UH, PRICES OF USED CARS, UH, WENT UP.
AND THEN FISCAL YEAR 22, 540 $7,000 FISCAL, WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING TO BE AT.
GENERAL FUND REVENUE HIGHLIGHTS.
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INCREASE IN GENERAL FUND.UH, WE HAVE ROUGHLY 600,000 OF THAT COMING FROM THE DEBT SERVICE FUND FOR THE INCREASE.
AND THIS KIND OF MAKES UP THE, UM, A LOT OF THE DELTA THERE.
SO THE MEALS TAX, UM, GOING UP 8%, $182,000.
UM, RESTAURANTS SEEM TO BE DONE PRETTY WELL.
SALES TAX, 3%, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS SEE THE, UH, THE GRAPH THAT IS SPUN OUT WITH THE MONTHLY REPORT, BUT THAT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT.
UH, BETWEEN MEALS TAX AND SALES TAX, YOU CAN SEE A PRETTY CONSISTENT TREND THERE.
BUSINESS, UH, BEEF, WHOLE BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL, OCCUPATIONAL LICENSING, UH, 2%, UH, INCREASE THERE.
AND THEN THE PERSONAL PROPERTY, WHICH WE JUST DISCUSSED, UH, 15% INCREASE OVER, WE HAVE BUDGETED, UH, NOT THE ACTUAL FIGURES FOR WHAT WE'RE SEEING, BUT THE, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S OVER BUDGET.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE THERE IS THE TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX AND INTERMEDIARY, UH, TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX, UH, LODGING TAXES, WHICH MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS, UH, INCREASE OF 18%.
UH, WE ARE, UM, GETTING BACK TO WHERE WE WERE BEFORE COVID.
I WAS GONNA SAY, DO WE, UM, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK IF YOU, IF YOU HAD AN OBSERVATION ABOUT THAT.
SO YOU THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF PEOPLE WERE TRAVELING MORE? UM, AREN'T WE ALSO NOW, BECAUSE THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, WERE YOU ABLE TO ACTUALLY COLLECT THAT, OR, I KNOW THAT WAS AN ISSUE BEFORE.
IT REMAINS AN ISSUE AT THE, UH, AT THE STATE LEVEL.
SO, UM, FOR THAT, THE, UM, AND WE ARE, UH, COLLECTING SOME OF IT, UM, IT'S VERY HARD TO DETERMINE WHAT WE'RE NOT COLLECTING.
UH, DO THE LEGISLATIONS THAT'S IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, AREN'T THEY LOOKING? I'VE BEEN GETTING LIKE EMAIL, IT'S A LOT OF TALK EMAIL AFTER EMAIL FROM JURISDICTIONS ABOUT THIS, TRYING TO GET US TO LOBBY THE LEGISLATORS TO CHANGE THINGS ON SOME OF THAT STUFF.
SO YOU DON'T SEE THAT, YOU DON'T SEE IT IMPROVING YET? NO, I, I REALLY DON'T, UH, BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING, UM, UH, UNTIL THERE'S A, A, A BIG CHANGE, I DON'T SEE, UM, MM-HMM, UH, THE, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE VERY, OUR HANDS ARE KIND OF TIED AND WHAT WE CAN DO IN THAT ARENA RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T HAVE THE, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE MECHANISMS THAT WE HAD IN PLACE, UH, BEFORE THE, BEFORE IT WENT TO THE INTERMEDIARY.
WELL, THIS IS OFF TASK, OFF TOPIC, BUT MAYBE SOMETIME YOU AND I, UM, COULD SIT DOWN WITH, UM, OUR DELEGATE AND SENATOR AND MAYBE SHARE WITH THEM SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY FAIR IF, IF WE ARE NOT ABLE TO, TO COLLECT WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY DUE TO US BECAUSE OF LEGISLATION.
I THINK SOMETIMES, JUST LIKE US IN THIS SITUATION, THIS COUNCIL, SOMETIMES YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL SOMEBODY BRINGS IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND YOU GO, OH, WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
SO MAYBE, MAYBE THEY NEED TO HEAR IT FROM SOME OF THE LOCALITIES ABOUT, I'VE BEEN PRETTY VOCAL.
ME AND GEORGE HAVE BEEN ON NUMEROUS CALLS, UH, REGARDING, I'VE BEEN PRETTY VOCAL ABOUT, UH, SEE, UM, WHAT WE HAVE.
BUT I'M HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU.
YEAH, WELL, I, I WAS JUST THINKING THAT TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW DIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU HOPE WE CAN GIVE 'EM, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'VE GARNERED A LOT OF RESPECT WITH, WITH DEFINITELY WITH OUR DELEGATES, YOU KNOW, WORKING, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS.
SO, ANYWAY, JUST A SUGGESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS HERE? MOVING ON.
ENTERPRISE FUND, SALES OF SERVICE.
SO THIS DIFFERS FROM THE FIRST SLIDE BECAUSE THE FIRST SLIDE WAS SHOWING THE INCREASE IN THE OVERALL FUND.
THIS IS JUST THE SALES SALE OF SERVICES.
SO ELECTRIC SALES, WATER SALES, SEWER SALES, SOLID WASTE SALES.
IT'S NOT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT ANY OF THE OTHER ITEMS LIKE, UH, UH, CONNECTION FEES FOR WATER, SEWER, OR, UH, REIMBURSEMENTS FOR ELECTRIC, OR, UH, RECYCLES FOR SOLID WASTE THAT WE MAY SELL.
SO OVERALL, UM, UH, ELECTRIC CURRENT SALES, UH, 0% INCREASE.
JUST A SLIGHT, UH, $20,140 DECREASE THERE.
UH, THE NEXT SLIDE, I THINK ACTUALLY SHOWS THE RATES NO INCREASES, UM, UH, HAS BEEN PROPOSED FOR WATER.
THE 7% INCREASE IS ACTUALLY, UH, DUE TO, UH, DOMINION'S RATES GOING UP TO THE OUT OF TOWN RATES STARTING NEXT YEAR.
UH, THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THAT.
UM, THE SEWER SALES, UH, THAT DOES INCORPORATE THE TWO AND A QUARTER PERCENT, UH, SEWER, UH, INCREASE.
I'LL DISCUSS THAT HERE IN JUST A SECOND.
UH, AS WELL AS, UH, THOSE OUT OF TOWN RATES THAT ARE STARTING HERE IN DECEMBER, UH, AND THEN SOLID WASTE IS 12%, 9.5% IS THE INCREASE, UH, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, COMMERCIAL IS ANTICIPATED TO GO UP TO THE PROPOSED, UH, WITH THE, UM, CONSULTANT HAD BROUGHT FORWARD TO US.
AND HERE IN JUST A SECOND AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? UM, YOU WANNA SPEAK
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TO THE, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO SPEAK TO THE UTILITY ISSUE AT THE STATE LEVEL, LIKE HOW THAT MAY IMPACT THISTHE, UH, IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY DEEPER CONVERSATION, BUT THE, UH, THE SHORT VERSION IS, IS THAT THERE'S SOME LEGISLATION COMING DOWN THE PIKE.
IT'S REALLY, IT COULD REALLY AFFECT US AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO DISCONNECT FOR UTILITY BILLS.
UM, IF THAT, UH, LEGISLATION WERE TO GO THROUGH, AS I'VE LAST SEEN IT, UM, OUR BED THAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE WOULD INCREASE DRAMATICALLY AS WELL AS OTHER LOCALITIES AND UTILITY OPERATORS, UH, THE, UM, UH, IT WOULD END UP LONG, UH, WHEN WE COULD, UH, DISCONNECT FOR NONPAYMENT.
AND I DID SPEAK TO OUR DELEGATE AND OUR SENATOR, UH, FRIDAY NIGHT ABOUT THAT.
AND THEY ARE VERY WELL AWARE OF HOW DETRIMENTAL THIS IS GONNA BE TO SMALL LOCALITIES LIKE US.
SO IT'S NOT EVEN SMALL LOCALITIES.
I MEAN, IT'S, WELL, IT'S GONNA BE EVERYBODY, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HIRE STAFF.
I MEAN, JOE SENT AN EMAIL OUT TO COUNCIL ABOUT IT.
SO YEAH, IT'S A PRETTY BIG, BUT, UH, AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANNA SAY FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT MISINTERPRET WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE, IT'S NOT THAT THE TOWN WANTS TO DISCONNECT PEOPLE'S ELECTRIC.
BUT I KNOW, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS EXPLAINED TO US IS THAT AT NOW, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN BEHIND THE TOWN'S, BEEN GREAT ABOUT WORKING WITH THEM ABOUT PAYMENT PLANS, LIKE TO GET CAUGHT BACK UP INSTEAD OF AUTOMATICALLY, YOU KNOW, CUTTING OFF THEIR POWER.
AND, UM, AND WITH THIS NEW LEGISLATION, IT, IT MAKES THAT ALMOST WON'T BE ABLE TO HAPPEN.
PAYMENT PLANS WOULD GO PRETTY MUCH OUT THE WINDOW.
SO BASICALLY IF YOU GOT BEHIND, ONCE YOU HIT THAT CERTAIN MONTH, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
IT, IT WOULD THEN, IT, THEN IT WOULD BE CUT OFF AND THERE WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT, I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE THINKING IT FOR SOME SITUATIONS, BUT I JUST THINK, JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE IN LIFE, IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS IT MAY LOOK.
THERE'S A LOT MORE BEHIND THE SCENES.
THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
AND THAT'S JUST ONE ASPECT OF IT.
THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ASPECTS YES.
TO THAT LEGISLATION THAT'S COMING THROUGH OR THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
BUT I'M SURE AS THINGS PROGRESS, MORE INFORMATION COMES AVAILABLE.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN MORE DEEPER DETAIL.
ANYTHING ELSE THERE? SO THE REVENUE IMPACTS FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, THIS IS ELECTRIC WATER, SEWER AND GARBAGE.
UH, DECREASED SEWER USAGE FOR SOME INDUSTRIAL ACCOUNTS.
SO THERE ARE SOME INDUSTRIAL ACCOUNTS OUT IN THE CORRIDOR THAT ACTUALLY HAVE A SEPARATE SEWER METER.
AND, UH, WE'RE SEEING LOWER USAGE ON, UH, AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE, UH, IF NOT MORE.
UH, THE WEATHER, LIKE I WAS SAYING BEFORE, HOT COLD WEATHER AFFECTS US, UH, HEAT, ELECTRIC HEAT, AIR CONDITIONING USAGES.
THERE'S ALSO, UH, RAIN WATER OF THE LAWN AND GARDENS.
SO THE SCHEDULED SEWER RATE INCREASE INCORPORATED INTO THE FISCAL YEAR 25 PROPOSED BUDGET.
UM, I HAVE THAT ON HERE ON THE NEXT SLIDE, IN JUST A SECOND HERE.
UH, BUT THE EXPENSE ASSOCIATED WITH A WATER SEWER, UM, RATE STUDY IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET.
UM, WATER HAS NOT HAD AN INCREASE, I THINK SINCE 2019 OR 2018.
UM, AND SEWER, WE'VE BEEN, UH, INCREASING IT BASED UPON THE STUDY.
UH, BUT WHEN CPI IS 4.7% AND WE'RE INCREASING TWO POINT A QUARTER PERCENT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE THERE.
SOLID WASTE INCREASE INCORPORATED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET, AND THEN NO FISCAL YEAR PROPOSED INCREASE FOR ELECTRIC OR WATER.
SO THE SEWER RECOMMENDED, RECOMMENDED RATE INCREASE, UH, THIS WAS A TWO AND A QUARTER PERCENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 25.
THIS IS BASED UPON STANTEC CONSULTING'S RECOMMENDATION.
ORIGINAL STUDY PERFORMED IN 2019.
WE DID A RECALCULATION IN 2021 FOR THE ARPA FUNDS.
ORIGINALLY, I THINK IT WAS THREE AND A HALF OR 3.75% YEAR OVER YEAR.
UM, WHEN WE USED THE ARPA FUNDS FOR THE SEWER PROJECT, WE WERE ABLE TO LOWER THAT TWO POINT A QUARTER PERCENT.
WATER RATES ARE NOT PROPOSED TO CHANGE FOR FISCAL YEAR 25.
UH, AND THEN FISCAL YEAR 25, PROPOSED BUDGET INCLUDES EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH OBTAINING, OBTAINING A WATER, SEWER COST, COST OF SERVICE STUDY.
UM, SO THE TWO POINT A QUARTER, UH, PERCENT, THIS SHOWS THE RATES.
THIS IS ACTUALLY TAKEN FROM STANTECH'S PRESENTATION THAT THEY DID FOR US YEARS AGO, AND WE'VE STUCK, UH, TO IT.
SO AVERAGE, UH, FAMILY OF FOUR HOUSEHOLD, 5,500 GALLONS OF WATER, UM, WOULD BE A DOLLAR 29 CENTS, UH, INCREASE FOR THIS 25 WITH TWO 4% QUESTIONS THERE.
UH, WE, UH, DISCUSSING THAT, THIS IS THE SAME SLIDE THAT THE CONSULTANTS BROUGHT FORWARD TO US, UH, THERE.
UM, AND WHAT WE WERE, UH, PRELIMINARY TALKING ABOUT WAS THE NINE POINT A HALF PERCENT, UH, FOR THE NEXT, UH, THREE YEARS RATHER THAN DOING THE ROUGHLY
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30% ALL AT ONE TIME.UH, SO, UH, CURRENT RATES BEING $14 AND 10 CENTS, UH, FOR NINE SIX GALLON CONTAINER WOULD GO UP TO $15 AND 44 CENTS, NINE AND A HALF PERCENT INCREASE.
AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL SERVICES THERE ON THE BOTTOM, WE ROUGHLY HAVE 17 COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS.
UM, UH, THOSE WOULD, UH, INCREASE ACCORDINGLY AS THAT, UH, THERE, THE DISPOSAL TIP FEE PER MONTH PER ACCOUNT OF $58.
JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THAT, UM, THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL CHARGE FOR THOSE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS.
IF THEY HAVE ONCE A WEEK PICKUP, IT'S $58 A MONTH.
IF THEY HAVE TWICE A WEEK PICKUP.
UM, I CAN'T EVEN DO THE SIMPLE MATH, BUT IT'S DOUBLE $58.
UM, SO IT, IT IS AN INCREASE, BUT, UM, UH, IT'S, UH, NOT QUITE, UH, THE PERCENTAGES THERE BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE THE TIPPING FEES INTO ACCOUNT QUESTIONS THERE, SNAPSHOT OF THE TOTAL BUDGET, SO 51.6 MILLION OVERALL, 3.9% INCREASE OF 1.9 MILLION, 16.8 MILLION OF THAT IS IN PERSONNEL.
SO I'M GETTING INTO THE EXPENDITURE SIDE NOW.
SO THE CHANGES IN FULL-TIME POSITIONS, UH, FROM THE PREVIOUS BUDGET, OUR CURRENT BUDGET, WE CONVERTED THE PART-TIME CUSTODIAN, UH, TO FULL-TIME.
SO THAT WAS A THREE $31,510 INCREASE OVER A PRIOR YEAR.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WE DID FUND THE POLICE MAJOR POSITION, UH, FOR HALF A YEAR, WHICH IS 77,000, $75 IN CHIEF HAS, UM, BEEN DISCUSSED, RIGHT,
SO, UH, WE'VE INCORPORATED A 3% COLA COST OF LIVING ALLOWANCE TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN JANUARY, 2025 OF 200.
UH, TOTALING $200,530, UH, 3% AVERAGE MERIT INCREASE OF 401, UH, THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED IN OCTOBER.
UM, AND I SAY AVERAGE BECAUSE NOT EVERY EMPLOYEE WOULD GET 3%.
SOME MAY GET, YOU KNOW, 0%, SOME MAY GET 4%.
SO IT'S BASED ON THEIR PERFORMANCE THERE.
THE, UH, SORRY, GOT NOTES HERE.
SO A LITTLE BIT ON THAT FOR, FORGET THE, UM, MR. RAPPAPORT HAD ASKED THIS BEFORE, SO I JUST THOUGHT, GO AHEAD AND, UH, STATE US BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, UH, FOR DECEMBER OF 2022 WAS 5.1%, UH, CONSUMER OR THE EMPLOYMENT, UH, RATE INCREASE, UH, FOR SALARIES.
AND THEN DECEMBER OF 2023 WAS 4.6%.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A ROUGH IDEA.
AND THEN OUR CURRENT BUDGET, WE HAVE 1% COLA AND 2% MERIT INCLUDED IN THERE.
SO YEAH, I BJ THE 3% COLA MM-HMM.
SO WE IMPLEMENTED A COLA LAST YEAR THAT WENT EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET THE COLA TO BE AT THE CALENDAR YEAR.
SO THIS IS KIND OF OUR RESET ON THE CALL.
SO THAT'S THE PLAN MOVING FORWARD IS PLAN MOVING FORWARD.
SO EVERY YEAR THE COLA WOULD BEGIN IN JANUARY VERSUS JULY.
SO EVEN THOUGH OUR FISCAL YEAR IS JULY TO JULY, IT WOULD BE A CALENDAR YEAR, CORRECT? CORRECT.
ARE YOU, UM, THE, UH, WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ONE POINT, UH, 1% TO THREE POINT A 5% VRSA DEFINED CONTRIBUTION FOR HYBRID MEMBERS OF $71,085.
I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
AND I'M SORRY I KEEP SAYING THAT, BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF PUT ALL OF THE ITEMS TOGETHER ON ONE PAGE AND THEN GO INTO A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL ON THE FOLLOWING PAGE THERE.
UH, 8.7% HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASE OF $142,000, UH, QUARTER QUARTERLY LEADERSHIP PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE $2,000 EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION EVENT THAT WE USUALLY HAVE IN JULY OF $5,000.
HOLIDAY LUNCHEON OF $5,000 IN EMPLOYEE EMPLOYEE WELLNESS PROGRAM FOR 5,000 IS THE HEALTH INSURANCE, UM, INCREASE? I'M JUST ASKING.
THAT'S ALL ON US, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT ASKING OUR EMPLOYEES TO PICK UP ANY OF THAT.
WE ARE SPLITTING IT WITH THE EMPLOYEES.
THAT'S, I, I JUST WAS CURIOUS 'CAUSE I'M, I'M, I, YEAH, THAT'S ALL.
SO, SO WHERE OUR PORTION, OUR PORTION'S GONNA 8.7 OR IT'S GONNA BE LIKE 4.35 FOR THEM AND FOUR POINT IT'S 8.7 EACH FOR EACH.
I, I, I'VE BEEN HEARING, HEARING I HAD, IT WAS LIKE, IS THAT THE TRUE INCREASE, SIR? YEAH.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING 'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TOYING AROUND WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM LIKE 15, I THINK I HEARD 15, 16 AND WE DID HAVE A 15 ONE YEAR.
BUT WHEN I HEARD THAT, THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING, OH, WHOEVER WE HAVE, IT'S WAY LESS IF, IF THAT'S, BUT THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, YOU'RE SHOPPING THAT EVERY YEAR OR WHAT
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ARE YOU DOING? UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY WITH A LOCAL CHOICE.UM, IT'S A, UH, A STATE POOL PROGRAM IS WHAT WE USE.
UM, WE DID, UM, UH, I DID A LITTLE BIT OF SHOPPING THERE A FEW YEARS AGO, AND IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE FOR US.
YEAH, YOU MIGHT GET, YOU MIGHT GET SOMETHING THE FIRST YEAR, BUT THEN AFTER THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE TRYING TO GET OTHER PEOPLE TO JOIN IN.
SO WE'D COME US BE LIKE A COHORT OR SOMETHING, LIKE A POOL OR WHATEVER.
BUT AFTER A YEAR THEY DIDN'T, THEY COULDN'T REALLY GET ANYBODY, THEY COULDN'T GET ENOUGH PEOPLE TO JOIN IN ON THE POOL AND IT REALLY DIDN'T, DIDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR US.
PLUS, I'M NOT SO SURE OUR EMPLOYEES EVEN LIKED, DIDN'T WE, DID WE SWITCH OVER AND THEN SWITCH BACK OR? NO, WE, WE WERE GOING TO, UM, AND THEN AT THE LAST MINUTE, THE OTHER LOCALITIES PULLED OUT OR WASN'T TRULY IN THE POOL.
SO WE, UM, UH, WE PULLED THE PLUG ON IT OURSELVES AND I'M GLAD WE DID.
UH, THE VRS, UH, THE INCREASE THERE, I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT'S GONNA AFFECT US MOVING FORWARD.
UH, SO BASICALLY ANY, UM, ANY NEW EMPLOYEES THAT COME UNDER, UH, THAT ARE HIRED UNDER THE HYBRID PLAN, UH, THE TOWN WILL INCUR AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE OF ONE 1%, 3.5% BASED UPON THE, UH, VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTION OF THE EMPLOYEE.
UH, THIS YEAR IT IS ESTIMATED TO $71,000.
THAT IS INDEED AN ESTIMATE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOT FULLY INTO IT YET.
UM, BUT, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND, UH, NEW HYBRID MEMBERS COME ON, WE'RE GONNA HAVE EITHER ONE TO THREE AND A HALF PERCENT, UH, ADDITIONAL VRS EXPENSE ON THIS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THE STATE HAS CHANGED? YES.
THAT'S IS THIS YEAR OR WAS IT LAST YEAR THAT THEY MADE THIS CHANGE? IT WAS THIS YEAR, RIGHT, LAURA? IT WAS 22 WHEN THEY PASSED IT, BUT THEY, IT'S NOT, BUT IT WAS 24 20 24 THING.
AND FOR THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH VRS HYBRID WOULD BE ANYBODY, I THINK THAT WAS HIRED FROM, I WANNA SAY 2014.
SO ANYBODY'S IN THE OLD PLAN, LIKE I AM, IT'S IT'S NOT HYBRID.
HYBRID STINKS COMPARED TO THE OLD PLAN.
I'M JUST GONNA TELL Y'ALL LIKE, I FEEL TERRIBLE FOR ANYBODY GETTING IN ON THE NEW ONE.
AM I WRONG? THOSE OF YOU THAT KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
BUT, UM, LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT 'CAUSE IT IS GONNA AFFECT US IN FUTURE YEARS AS WELL AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO THE GENERAL FUND HIGHLIGHTS, UH, WE HAVE, UH, THE DRUG COURT $50,000 HERE, THREE OF 10, UH, 3000 FOOT.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE TOURISM BUDGET, UH, DID CHANGE LAST YEAR.
WE HAD HAD ALL OF THE TOURISM BUDGET PRETTY MUCH UNDER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
AND THEN THE TROLLEY, UM, THIS YEAR IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEMS, THIS INCLUDING SALARY AND OPERATING EXPENSES.
AND THEN I PUT A, A LIST OF THESE SPECIAL EVENTS, UH, THAT, UH, MS. LIZZIE HAS PLANNED FOR US THERE, UH, UP HERE.
SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR AND KNOW WHAT'S IN THERE.
THIS LIST IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET BOOK.
AND AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE BUDGET BOOK, IT ACTUALLY STATES THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL THE ADDITIONAL HOURS THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR POLICING OR TRASH PICKUP.
THESE ARE THE EXPENSES ASSOCIATED, UH, THAT, UM, UH, THE TOWN IS PAYING FOR FOR THE EVENTS.
UM, I'M GLAD YOU HAD THAT IN THERE 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN WONDERING ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND THE PEOPLE THAT SERVED ON THE DRUG COURT COMMITTEE FOR WHEN IT WAS FIRST BEING ESTABLISHED, AND I KNOW CHIEF PROBABLY IS FAMILIAR WITH THAT TOO.
I, I HAD THOUGHT THAT THE IDEA WAS THAT WHEN THE, UM, OPIOID ABATEMENT MONEY CAME IN, THAT THERE WAS A PLAN FOR SOME OF THAT MONEY TO OFFSET WHAT WE WERE GONNA BE SPENDING, LIKE WHEN WE JOINED YOU.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I'M NOT ONLY THE COUNTY GOT THAT MONEY THOUGH.
BUT IT, WHAT, WHAT HAD HAP WHEN, WHEN WE AGREED TO GET INTO IT, TO, YOU KNOW, THIS VI VERY VALUABLE THING WHEN WE, WHEN WE, UM, JOINED IN WITH IT TO MAKE THIS BE A REALITY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME PUSHBACK FROM PEOPLE SAYING LIKE, IF YOU'RE A TOWN CITIZEN AND YOU'RE PAYING, YOU'RE ALSO PAYING AS A COUNTY.
AND THERE WAS THIS TALK ABOUT HOW WHEN THE OPIOID ABATEMENT MONEY CAME IN THAT IT WOULD BE ABLE TO OFFSET SOME OF THESE EXPENSES AND IT WOULDN'T, IT, IT MORE THAN LIKELY MEANT THAT NUMBER WAS NOT, WOULD BE ABLE TO GO DOWN.
BUT THEN WHEN THE OPIOID ABATEMENT MONEY CAME IN, IT WAS ONLY GOING TO THE COUNTY, WHICH I ACTUALLY THINK WE ALWAYS, WE ALWAYS KNEW IT WAS ONLY GONNA GONNA GO TO THE COUNTY.
'CAUSE THEY ONLY GAVE IT TO, BUT I DON'T THINK WE KNEW THAT.
UM, AND JOE, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO CORRECT ME.
MAYBE CHIEF DOES AS CAN TOO, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY REALIZED THAT THAT MONEY HAD TO BE SOMETHING
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NOT ALREADY ESTABLISHED.ISN'T THAT HOW IT WENT? IS THAT THE REASON WHY THAT UM, IT'S KINDA LIKE A GRANT.
LIKE SOMETIMES GRANTS HAVE TO BE FOR SOMETHING NEW BUT NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE TOYOTA BANK MONEY.
I'M JUST ASKING, DO YOU, SO I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR ANSWER ON THAT.
SO NONE OF THE MONEY THAT'S FOR THAT IS GOING TO EVER, UH, RELIEVE US OF OUR EXPENSE PART TO IT.
IT ONLY IS GONNA GO FOR NEW THINGS.
DO YOU KNOW? I DO NOT, I DO NOT RECALL WHETHER OR NOT THOSE FUNDS ARE SUBJECT TO THAT.
LIKE TYPICALLY A GRANT, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T USE IT TO FUND A, A TYPICAL GRANTS OR PLANTING THING.
TO PLANT FUNDS THAT ARE ALREADY BUDGETED.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.
I'M WHAT, WHAT THAT PARTICULAR RESTRICT WHAT, WHAT RESTRICTIONS EXIST FOR THE OPIOID ABATEMENT MONEY? YEAH.
AS I RECALL, THIS WAS KIND OF THE, UH, THING THAT WAS HAPPENING PRIOR TO THAT OPIOID ABATEMENT MONEY ACTUALLY COMING IN.
I JUST THOUGHT, AS I RECALL THE IDEA WAS THAT IT WAS WHAT I WOULD CALL ALMOST LIKE SEED MONEY TO GET IT STARTED, BUT THE PLAN WAS THAT THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR GRANTS AND THINGS THAT WOULD HELP FUND SOME OF THE OTHER POSITIONS AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I I I JUST, AND I'VE WANTED TO ASK AT THE MEETING, BUT I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WANNA COME ACROSS AS LIKE, HOW COME WE'RE NOT GETTING TO USE THAT MONEY FOR SOME OF THIS STUFF? 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE USING THE MONEY WISELY.
I JUST, I JUST WAS, I DIDN'T KNOW IF MAYBE YOU CALLED WHAT? I MEAN, I, I REALLY FEEL LIKE WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS INITIALLY THAT THE IDEA WAS IT WAS SEED MONEY TO GET THINGS STARTED, BUT, BUT ONCE IT GOT ROLLING, LIKE THESE OTHER PLACES, THESE OTHER LOCALITIES HAD OTHER REVENUE COMING IN OR THINGS COMING IN THAT WOULD HELP WITH FUNDING.
UM, SO, AND WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROGRAM, THE OPIOID MONEY, WE DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN OR HOW MUCH THAT WAS COMING.
UM, AND THEY WERE JUST KIND OF GOING HAND IN HAND AND YEAH, BUT NO, I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE AT.
I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT, YEAH, AND I JUST KEEP THINKING WHEN WHEN COULD THAT CONTRIBUTION GO DOWN? BUT OBVIOUSLY 10 YEARS.
IT'S A CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE MOVING FORWARD.
I THINK BJ'S JUST PUTTING IT ON THERE BECAUSE OF THE AGREEMENT WE SIGNED IS A 10 YEAR COMMITMENT, BUT I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION NOW AGAIN, WITH THAT GRANT FUNDING BEING SUPPLIED LAST YEAR, HOW DOES THAT WORK OUT WITH FUTURE DEPOSITORS? THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS.
SO NOW THAT, NOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, WE'LL, WE WILL ASK THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I, I AM CURIOUS BECAUSE, UM, I WANNA SAY WARREN IN COUNTY AS A WHOLE, IT'S GONNA BE WELL OVER A MILLION WASN'T IT? UH, IT WAS WELL OVER THAT.
YEAH, IT WAS LIKE IT WAS QUITE A BIT.
SO ANYWAY, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT IT'S, IT IS INTENDED FOR IS TO, YOU KNOW, COMBAT AND TO, YOU KNOW, COMBAT THE DRUG PROBLEM.
SO IT, THAT WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT, THAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO USE THE MONEY TO SPEND ON.
UH, GENERAL FUND HIGHLIGHTS, UH, THE ACES PROJECT.
SO WE HAVE $25,000 FOR LARGE, UH, TREE REMOVAL FOR ACES PURCHASES, $6,000, UH, GREENWAY TRAIL, HAPPY CREEK MAINTENANCE, UH, $2,000, UH, YEAR ONE OF FIVE.
AND THEN YEARLY TREE CANOPY, UH, 5,000 YEAR ONE OF FIVE.
I BELIEVE YOU GUYS HAVE ACES COMING NEXT WEEK TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE.
YEAH, BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
THAT'S, IS THAT WHERE WE DID LAST YEAR? LIKE WHERE WE GOT THOSE TREES AND LIKE OUT OR THE UH, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
THESE ARE THE ONES WE PLANTED AND THE UM, I BELIEVE THE CANOPY, WHERE'S ROBBIE AT? STEPPED, I BELIEVE THERE FOR THAT THOUGH.
SO THE CANOPY THAT'S FOR THE TREES DOWN AT THE, NEAR THE GAZEBO, CORRECT? WELL, THE TREE PURCHASE IS PART OF, THERE'S A BUNCH OF DEAD TREES.
IT'S GOTTA BE TAKEN DOWN AND THEN REPLANTED.
WHERE'S THE AND THE LARGE TREE REMOVAL, I'M JUST, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING IS THE GAZEBO, RIGHT? THAT'S THE, THE TREES AROUND THE GAZEBO NEED TO BE REPLACED.
AND THAT'S SEVERAL HAVE A DISEASE.
SO THAT'S THE, UM, UH, THAT'S WHAT THE $25,000 IS WORTH.
SORRY, I GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED THERE.
THIS MIGHT BE A SLIDE WE COULD ASK, UM, JUSTIN NEXT WEEK TOO TO JUST GIVE US A, GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT.
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UM, AND ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT THEY HAD, I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT THERE A LITTLE BIT.THE SELF WATERS, IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE CALLED? YES.
YEAH, WE HAVE, UH, WE GOT SELF WATERS FOR THE, UH, FOR THE HANGING BASKETS.
UH, WE PULLED THAT OUT OF THIS YEAR'S MONEY SO WE COULD GET THAT, THAT PROJECT MOVING.
HOW MUCH WAS THAT? 80 SOMETHING.
BUT ANYWAY, WE DID GET THAT PROJECT MOVING FOR, UH, FOR THEM A LITTLE BIT SOONER.
SO, UH, GENERAL FUND CAPITAL AND DEBT EXPENDITURES.
SO THESE, UM, ARE, AND IT ALSO HAS THE STREET FUND IN THERE.
I'M SORRY,
I WAS LIKE, I MIGHT, I'LL PROBABLY BE GONE.
I LIKE TO PUT UP HERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THE DEBTS END, UH, UH, WITH THESE DEBTS, IT ALSO SHOWS THAT IN THE BUDGET BOOK AND FROM ANY OF 'EM, IT ALSO SHOWS THE INTEREST RATE.
IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT THE INTEREST RATES ARE ON THESE.
UM, SO THE FLEET MAINTENANCE REHABILITATION SEE IS A 2043 FOR $184,000 THERE.
UH, THE POLICE BODY WOR CAMERA LEASE IS 32,440.
I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY WORKING ON, UH, SEEING WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO TO, UH, FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE UPDATING THERE.
UH, THE RADIO SYSTEM FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THERE, 71,000 YEAR SIX OUT OF 10.
AND THEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CONSTRUCTION DEBT SERVICE, UH, CURRENTLY WE'RE PAYING $369,000 ON THAT.
THE NOTE ENDS IN 2031, AT WHICH POINT WE HAVE TO REFINANCE IT, UH, AND WE'RE GONNA BE ESTIMATED REFINANCING A $6.1 MILLION FOR THAT.
HOW LONG WOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT THEN LAST? I'M SORRY.
HOW LONG
I'M SAYING LIKE FOR THE 6.1 LIKE THAT, WOULD THAT BE LIKE ANOTHER THIRD YEAR LOAN? DEPENDS IS WHAT THE INTEREST RATES ARE AT THAT PART IN TIME.
MIGHT BE, OR MAYBE, OR MAYBE YOU HAVE TO GO TO 60.
UM, I GOT A LITTLE SLIDE HERE IN A MINUTE THAT'LL SHOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UH, INTEREST RATE THAT WE HAVE ON OUR DEPOSITS, WHICH IS VERY INTERESTING.
UM, SO REPAYMENT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACCESS GRANT FOR WEST, UH, WEST MAIN CONNECTOR ROAD $216,000.
THIS IS THE, UH, LAST YEAR FOR THAT.
UH, WHICH WILL GIVE US A $650,000 THAT SHOULD BE RECALLED BY DDOT HERE AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
NOW, AND, AND THAT TAKES A MINUTE.
SO THE, I I MEAN YOU CAN EX YOU GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN IT.
I WAS GOING TO, BUT I'D RATHER YOU DO IT
SO THE WEST MAIN CONNECTOR, UH, WE'VE BUILT A THIRD OF THE WEST MAIN CONNECTOR ROAD, UH, THAT'S OFF OF KENDRICK LANE.
UH, IN ORDER TO BUILD THAT, THE TOWN OBTAINED A $650,000, UH, GRANT FOR THE ROAD.
UM, BECAUSE THE, UH, UNDER THE PREMISE THAT A HUGE CAPITAL OUTLAY WAS COMING FOR IT FEDERAL, UM, IT FEDERAL'S, CAPITAL OUTLAY DID NOT COME, UM, NOR HAS ANY OTHER CAPITAL OUTLAY, UH, TO THE MAGNITUDE THAT WHICH WE AGREED TO CAME.
SO THE TOWN WILL BE REQUIRED TO PAY THAT $650,000 BACK TO THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION HERE, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR.
I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT IT IS, IF IT'S NOT THE NEXT YEAR'S YEAR AND A HALF.
UM, SO WE'VE BEEN PUSHING ASIDE FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS, UH, TO THE TUNE OF $216,000 IN ANTICIPATION OF REPAYMENT OF THAT GRANT.
SO AKA BECAUSE, UH, WE DID NOT GET ACCURATE INFORMATION OR HONESTY.
UM, THE TOWN CITIZENS ARE OUT $650,000 TO PAY BACK SOMETHING BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE OF, OF, UH, OTHER THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE DEBACLE THAT WENT ON OVER THERE.
UM, THE WARREN COUNTY VRA BOND FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF TRON PARKWAY.
THIS IS JUST THE CONSTRUCTION OF TRON PARKWAY AND IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION EXCEEDS THAT, UH, BOND AMOUNT, BUT THE AMOUNT THAT WE ARE INDEBTED TO THEM, UH, FOR NEXT YEAR IS, UH, FOUR $148,000.
UH, THAT DEBT SERVICE, UH, DOES END IN 2035 AND THEN WE HAVE A STREET SWEEPER LOAN.
IT'S ACTUALLY A LEASE FOR THE STREET SWEEPER.
UH, 26,685,000 OR $26,685, UH, YEAR SEVEN OUTTA 10.
THEN DO WE JUST START LEASING A NEW ONE AGAIN? IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS, DON? KEEP IT RUNNING A FEW MORE YEARS.
WHERE DON
YEAH, SHE DOES BE A BABY AT 10 YEARS.
UH, ELECTRIC EXPENDITURE HIGHLIGHTS.
THEY HAVE A FOUR YEAR WORK PLAN FOR $47,000.
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47,500.UH, REPLACE AND UPGRADE, UH, 2005 CHEVROLET COLORADO FOR 50,000, UH, REPLACED, YOU KNOW, WITH UTILITY BED AT 2001, UH CHEVROLET, 2,500 FOR 65,000.
WE DID PUT SOME MORE MONEY IN THERE FOR THE AUTOMATED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, WE HAVE $907,000 SET ASIDE FOR THAT.
WE NEED TO GET OUR SOFTWARE, UM, STRAIGHTENED OUT BEFORE WE MOVE OVER TO A MI, BUT WE ARE LOOKING TO GET THERE HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
AND THEN HERE'S THE, IN, THIS IS KIND OF INTERESTING TO ME.
THE INTEREST EXPENSE ON UTILITY DEPOSITS IS NOT SOMETHING I USUALLY INCLUDE, UH, IN THE BUDGET PRESENTATION, BUT I REALLY WANTED TO POINT THIS OUT 'CAUSE OF ADDRESSED DIFFERENCE.
SO THE INTEREST EXPENSE ON UTILITY DEPOSITS, WE BUDGET $32,000 FOR IT.
THE INTEREST RATE THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, THIS IS THE INTEREST, LIKE IF A CUSTOMER GIVES US A UTILITY DEPOSIT, THEY GET INTEREST ON IT FROM US, IT'S, UH, MANDATED, UH, BY THE SCC, BUT THEY SET THE INTEREST RATE.
THE UH, STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION DOES FISCAL YEAR 24.
THE INTEREST RATE IS CURRENTLY AT 4%, UH, WHICH IS $29,548.
YOU KNOW, JUST TWO YEARS AGO IT WAS 0.1%.
OUR TOTAL INTEREST EXPENSE IN 22 WAS $570 FOR FISCAL YEAR.
WELL IN IF THEY'RE GIVING THE DEPOSIT, RIGHT? SO WE'RE HOLDING ONTO THE MONEY.
ARE WE GETTING A 4% RETURN FROM THE BANK? YES, WE DO.
WE DO, WE WE'RE GETTING A DECENT, UH, A DECENT, UM, UH, RETURN FROM THE BANK.
SO BASICALLY WE'RE HOLDING ON TO YEAH.
ONE WE'RE GETTING THEY GET BACK.
I WAS AFRAID YOU WERE SAYING THAT LIKE OUR INTEREST WAS ONLY LIKE THREE, BUT WE WERE WANTING TO GIVE THEM FORWARD.
WE'RE MAKING IT, I MEAN WE, YES.
OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENTS, UH, UH, A LITTLE OVER 4% I DO BELIEVE.
UM, BUT THE, UM, BUT IT'S JUST THE DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE THERE IS, YOU KNOW WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT.
AND CURRENTLY WE HOLD ABOUT $800,000 IN UTILITY DEPOSITS.
AND THEN THE LAST THING I HAVE ONE HERE FOR THE ELECTRIC EXPENDITURES IS UPGRADE THE METER READER SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE FOR $12,000.
UH, THAT WOULD BE SPLIT WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT THERE FOR A TOTAL OF $24,000.
UM, UH, WE HAVE TO DO A SOFTWARE CHANGE HERE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE A MI UP AND RUNNING JUST YET.
SO, UH, KIND OF NEED MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
A CITIZEN ASKED ME ABOUT SOMETHING ABOUT IF THEY HAD SOLAR PANELS BEING, OR Y'ALL WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON OKAY.
DEVELOPING A RATE SO THAT WE CAN BUY EXCESS ENERGY FROM THE CITIZEN.
THAT'S WHAT SOMEBODY ASKED ME.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW, SO I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT.
SO AT LEAST WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.
THE, UM, YEAH, THE, THERE'S NO INCREASE IN ELECTRIC, BUT UM, WE DO PLAN TO BRING THAT FORWARD SO WE AT LEAST HAVE THAT AS AN OPTION, UH, HERE IN, IN THE FUTURE.
AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT PRETTY CONSISTENTLY ON THAT.
HOW, HOW WILL THAT, WHEN YOU SWITCH OVER TO AUTOMATED METERING THEN HOW WILL THAT CHANGE YOUR STAFFING OR IMPACT YOUR STAFFING WOULD BE REALLOCATING PEOPLE OR, UM, POTENTIALLY, UH, POTENTIALLY THERE'S SOME REALLOCATION THERE.
THE UM, OBVIOUSLY, UM, MAY NOT NEED IT FOR THE METERING, BUT WITH THOSE NEED LEGISLATION COMING DOWN FOR THE DISCONNECTS, WE MAY NEED 'EM IN THAT AREA.
SO, UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A STRAIGHT ANSWER ON THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
BUT, UM, UM, BUT YEAH, IT WILL BE SOMETHING.
YEAH, I THINK WHAT, WHAT WE DON'T EXPECT TO LOSE ANY STAFF, BUT WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO RE RETRAIN STAFF 'CAUSE IT'LL HAVE DIFFERENT DUTIES WITH THIS A MI.
THERE'LL BE DIFFERENT TOUCH POINTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT INFORMATION IS SELECTED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DIDN'T MISS ANYBODY.
WHAT ARE EXPENDITURES, UH, HIGHLIGHTS? SO WE GOT, UH, CLEARWELL ONE AND TWO DESIGN ENGINEERING, UM, OF THE REPAIRS FOR $35,000.
THAT'S JUST THE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING NEEDED FOR THE PROJECT.
THE ESTIMATED PROJECT, UH, TOTAL FOR THAT IS $860,000.
UM, OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, UM, IN THE BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO DO THE $860,000.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE, UM, LIKE TO HAVE A COST OF SERVICE STUDY DONE.
SO WE CAN GET SOME OF THESE PROJECTS DONE.
UM, MCKAY SPRINGS EVALUATION, $30,000 EN RICK'S TRAVEL SCREEN REPLACEMENT, $75,000 YEAR TWO OF FOUR SEDIMENTATION BASIN REPAIR.
70 GRAND FOR, UH, THIS IS YEAR TWO OF TWO.
SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT.
RAW WOOD RIVER PUMPS MOTOR AND SWITCH GEAR FOR A HUNDRED GRAND YEAR ONE OF THREE.
AND THEN OUR COST OF SERVICE STUDY FOR $30,000.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE SPLIT WITH SEWER FOR A TOTAL OF, UH, $60,000 BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND THEN THE WATER LINE UPGRADES ARE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PAVING PLAN.
SO AS WE MOVE OVER TO STREETS, YOU WILL SEE THESE STREETS ON THE PAVING PLAN.
BUT VIRGINIA AVENUE, IT'S BROKEN UP INTO TWO SEGMENTS THERE.
UH, WE DID PUT THOSE TOGETHER IN ONE FISCAL YEAR TO, YOU KNOW, DO THE, ALL THE PROJECT AT
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ONCE AND THEN CHERRY STREET, UH, I'M SURE WOOD GRAND AVENUE, UH, FOR THE WORLD LINE REPLACEMENT OR UPGRADES.I'M CURIOUS IF THE, UH, DROUGHT, AND AGAIN, I ALWAYS SAY THIS, I'M NOT AN ENVIRONMENTALIST, SO I WANT TO, BUT IT WAS THERE SOME, WAS THERE IMPACT ON THE SYSTEM AT ALL BY, BY THE DROUGHT IN TERMS OF EXTRA CLEANING, EXTRA, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER TO OUR SYSTEM THAT NEEDS TO, THAT IS THERE AN IMPACT? WE, WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T FALL HYDRANT FLUSH BECAUSE OF THE DROUGHTS TO COME SPRING.
WE'LL HAVE TO, IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE US TWICE AS LONG.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS ONE, LIKE WE HAD THE WATER BREAK AND A LOT OF THE WATER IS REAL DIRTY BECAUSE WE COULDN'T CLEAN IN THE FALL, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE A LOT MORE TO DO COME SPRING WEATHER BREAKS HERE FOR LONG.
AND WILL THAT BE, I MEAN, EXTRA EXPENSE? LIKE NO, THE BIGGEST THING WOULD BE IT WOULD TAKE US A LOT LONGER.
UM, SOMETIMES IT TAKES TWO WEEKS.
IT MIGHT TAKE US THREE TO FOUR WEEKS, UM, THIS TIME TO GET EVERYTHING GOOD AND CLEAN.
SO THE IMPACT TO THE CITIZENS WOULD JUST BE THAT SOMETHING THAT LITERALLY TAKES TWO WEEKS WOULD TAKE FOUR.
THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING TO PUT IN OUR NEXT ELECTRIC BILL WHEN WE GIVE THEM INFORMATION.
I DIDN'T, I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT ONE.
ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WOULD HELP US, UM, KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHERE OUR ASSETS ARE AT NOW.
THEY WERE ARE GOING TO LINE UP HERE IN THE FUTURE FOR OUR, UM, UH, EXPENDITURES.
COST OF SERVICE STUDY, THE, UH, SAME THING THAT I JUST SAID WITH WATER.
UH, REPLACE A, A PUMP TWO FOR 50,000.
UH, REPLACE A BIO FILTER WITH HAY D**E 20 YEAR $30,000.
THAT'S NOT MAKING SURE I'M CLEAR THERE.
THAT'S WHAT KEEPS THE SMELL DOWN.
AND THEN, UH, I AND I ABATEMENT, WE ARE DOING THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PROJECTS FOR I AND I RIGHT NOW, BUT THIS WILL HELP FOR THOSE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE THAT COME UP OCCASIONALLY.
UM, AND THE LAST ONE HERE I KIND OF WANT TO POINT OUT IS OBTAIN DEBT SERVICE TO REPLACE A 1992 SINGLE AXLE VAC TRUCK, UH, FOR $50,000 1992.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT DON'S KEEPING HIM RUNNING FOR US.
BUT, UM, I'M HOPING TO SIT DOWN WITH ROBBIE AND I'D LIKE TO GET, GO AHEAD AND GET THAT MOVING BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY GONNA TAKE US A COUPLE YEARS TO GET THAT VEHICLE.
UM, SO I MIGHT BE COMING BACK TO YOU GUYS HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE WITH SOME, UH, SUGGESTIONS ON SOME DEBT SERVICE SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET THAT UH, GET THAT ROLLING.
THAT TRUCK COST AS MUCH AS THE HOUSE.
THAT'S A SMALL THAT THAT'S THE SMALL I KNOW.
NO, I KNOW WHAT THE BIG ONE COSTS
UH, WATER AND SEWER DEBT SERVICE.
UH, SO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN UPGRADE OF 1.9 MILLION THERE ENDS IN 2037.
THAT IS OUR 0%, UH, LOAN THAT WE HAVE.
UH, THEN THE WATER PLANT UPGRADES, UH, 761,000 ENDS IN 2026.
UH, SO, UH, MOVING INTO THE BRUSH GRINDING SERVICES, UH, JUST AS OUR CONSULTANT HAD MENTIONED THERE FOR $50,000, UH, REPLACING SOME DUMPSTERS AT 30 GRAND FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE STARTING TO PUT MONEY ASIDE FOR REPLACEMENT OF A REFUGE TRUCK.
A 2012 INTERNATIONAL, UM, THE, UH, $60,000 YEAR 1 0 3.
UM, HAD SOME MONEY IN CONTINGENCY THERE TO SEE HOW THINGS GO WITH THE RATES AND UM, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, BEING THE FIRST YEAR OF THE RATE AND THIS IS GOT A LOT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, UH, I JUST PUT SOME MONEY TO THE SIDE THERE IN CASE, UH, WE DON'T QUITE HIT OUR NUMBERS.
IF WE HIT OUR NUMBERS THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND PUTTING THAT OVER TO THE REFUGE TRUCK.
'CAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S GONNA PROBABLY BE MORE THAN $180,000.
DO WE SELL THE DUMPSTERS THAT WE REPLACED OR WHAT DO WE DO WITH THEM? I THINK IT'S JUST RECYCLING, RIGHT? CRAPPY.
YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY, WE ALL BACK TOGETHER FOR, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH DONE BY THE TIME
THE UM, UH, HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE, UH, STORM SEWER MAPPING.
UH, WE PUT THIS OFF FOR A FEW YEARS, BUT, UM, TRYING TO GET THIS DONE, WE HAVE TO DO THE STORM SEWER MAPPING, UH, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR.
ONE OF FOUR PRIMARY PAVING, WHICH IS MANDATED BY VDOT, WHAT WE DO, COMMERCE AVENUE FROM EAST SECOND STREET, EAST SIXTH STREET FOR $96,000.
AND THEN OUR SECONDARY PAVING IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WATERLINE UPGRADES.
UM, I CAN SEE THERE THE SAME STREETS, VIRGINIA AVENUE, CHERRY STREET.
UH, THEN WE HAVE THE NEW SIDEWALKS THAT GO IN, UH, CONJUNCTION WITH THE SECONDARY PAVING OF $133,000 CURB AND GUTTER IN, UH, WITH A, UH, SECONDARY PAVING $194,000.
AND THEN FINGERS CROSSED THE LAST YEAR FOR PROSPECT STREET BRIDGE.
WE WILL HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING IF WE GET THE, UH, VDOT REVENUE SHARING.
AND THE PROJECT DOES COME IN AT THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE OF 1.8 MILLION.
UM, THE, UH, BUT UH, WE WILL HAVE ALL THE FUNDS, UH, ALLOCATED THAT, UH, BASED UPON THE ESTIMATE.
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$315,000 IN FISCAL YEAR 25.WE PREVIOUSLY ALLOCATED 630 GRAND FOR THE TOTAL OF $945,000.
EJ, I DIDN'T SEE THE EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE ON THERE.
IS THAT ALREADY? WE ALREADY HAVE THE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THAT.
WE'RE, UH, FINISHING UP ON THE PLANS HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT AND WE'LL BE GETTING THAT OUT HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
UH, BUT THE FUNDS SHOULD BE SET ASIDE.
FINGERS CROSSED AGAIN UNTIL THE BIDS COME IN.
BUT
UH, THE NEW SIDEWALKS IN CONJUNCTION THERE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IS IT VIRGINIA AVENUE ROBBIE THAT WE'RE REPLACING THE SIDEWALKS? I'M ASSUMING IT IS.
'CAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE CITIZEN WITH SECONDARY PAVING.
SO THOSE THREE STREETS THAT ARE GETTING THE PAVING ARE ALSO GONNA GET THE SIDEWALKS AND, UH, REPLACING REPLACING THE SIDEWALKS OR REPLACING CURB GUTTER.
THE UM, UM, BUT UH, AND I HAVE IT LISTED ON ANOTHER SHEET.
I JUST DIDN'T BRING IT IN WITH ME AND IT ACTUALLY SHOWS IN THE BUDGET BOOK.
I DIDN'T THINK CHERRY STREET HAD SIDEWALKS AND IT MAY NOT, IT'D BE PRETTY STEEP TO DEAL WITH THAT.
SO IT'S JUST FOR CURB AND GUTTER.
YEAH, IT SHOULD BE LISTED HERE.
IT'S A NEW SIDEWALK IS VIRGINIA AVENUE.
YEAH, 91,000 FOR FROM WEST EIGHTH TO 11TH.
UM, AND THE CURB AND GUTTER IS ALL THREE OF THE STREETS.
OTHER QUESTIONS THERE? VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT.
IT'S NOT ALL OF 'EM 'CAUSE SOME OF THEM WERE ON PREVIOUS SLIDES, SO I TRY NOT TO BE REDUNDANT.
BUT, UH, FLEET MAINTENANCE, UH, THIS IS THE YEAR THREE OF THREE TO REPLACE THE 2002 GM C3 500 HORTICULTURE.
UH, REPLACED A 2008 F TWO 50 FOR 25,000.
SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT.
UH, $8,000 TO REPLACE A 2006 UTILITY TRAILER BETWEEN WATER SEW LINE CREW.
SO YOU'LL SEE $4,000 IN EACH ONE OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS.
UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT $200,000 TO REPLACE, UH, THREE FORD EXPLORERS THAT ARE ALL OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES.
SEWER LINE MAINTENANCE, UH, THE $50,000 FOR THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE SINGLE AXLE VAC TRUCK.
UM, AND I WANTED TO POINT THAT ONE OUT 'CAUSE I WANNA GET THAT ONE MOVING A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN SNOWPLOW REPLACEMENTS YOUR 3 0 4 FOR 20,000, $15,000 FOR TWO UTILITY TRAILERS.
A, UH, 2004 CHEVROLET 3,500 YEAR, ONE OF TWO IN HIGHWAY.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE THERE IS A DUMP TRUCK THAT, UM, WE REALLY WANT TO GET MOVING ON AS WELL BECAUSE, UH, THE EXPECTED DELIVERY TIMES OF THESE THINGS ONE TO TWO YEARS.
UM, THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE PUSHED IT UP BECAUSE VEHICLE, THE BIG EQUIPMENT IS JUST HARD FOR US TO GET RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE'VE GOT LUCKY WITH A COUPLE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT, BUT I'M NOT SO SURE WE'LL GET LUCKY WITH THE DUMP TRUCK.
ARE ARE ALL THE THINGS LIKE WHEN WE REPLACE THEM, AND I RECOGNIZE SOME OF 'EM ARE LIKE THE, LIKE LITERALLY 32 YEARS OLD, SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT SUGGESTING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A 27-YEAR-OLD HONDA THAT STILL RUNS OUR HOUSE.
UM, BUT, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS, DO THOSE THINGS GO TO LIKE AN AUCTION? YES.
THAT SOUNDS, UM, IF YOU REMEMBER, I THINK LAST YEAR, I COME BACK TO, YEAH.
SO I BRING, UH, WHEN WE SELL 'EM, I TRY TO BRING THE MONEY BACK IN TO GET SOMETHING ELSE WE MAY NEED.
UM, WHEN WE SOLD THE REFUGE TRUCKS, I BROUGHT THAT MONEY BACK IN SO WE COULD GET A PICKUP FOR THE, UH, SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT.
UM, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH IT SELLS, OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT GONNA COME BACK TO YOU GUYS IF WE SELL SOMETHING FOR $200, BUT IF WE GET, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY OUT.
SO IS THE AUCTION NEARBY OR, I MEAN, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
LIKE, I THINK SOME OF THOSE OLD TRUCKS I THINK ARE LIKE FARMERS THAT DON'T LIKE, I KNOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THE FARMERS I KNOW, LIKE THEY DRIVE IT AROUND ON THEIR FARM, BUT NOT NECESSARILY TAKE IT OUT ON THE ROAD.
SO THEY CAN GO TO THOSE AUCTIONS TOO.
IT'S A, WELL, IT'S, IT'S ONLINE.
UM, AND, UM, THERE'S A LINK ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE, UM, WHEN WE POST THINGS ON THE AUCTION.
UM, IF YOU SIGNED UP FOR THE NOTIFICATIONS, YOU'LL GET THEM FROM THE SUPPLIER.
IT'S GOV DEALS, IS THAT THE NAME OF IT, DON? YEAH.
BUT WE'VE DONE REALLY GOOD WITH IT AND IT, UM, I THINK THE LAST REFUGE TRUCK WENT TO NEW YORK.
UM, THINK ONE WENT TO ILLINOIS AND WE'RE GETTING GOOD PRICES FOR THE EQUIPMENT.
UM, THE, UH, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE THINGS, I MEAN, YOU'RE OUT WILD, YOU KNOW, BUT WE GOT TO MEET THE GOV DEALS AT BML PEOPLE AT BML.
AND A LOT OF LOCALITIES ARE USING THEM.
AND YOU CAN SELL ANYTHING ON THERE.
YOU CAN SELL FLOORS LIKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILES DOES SOUND LIKE A LOT.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT'S BEEN WELL TAKEN CARE OF, SOMEBODY MAYBE WOULD BE WILLING TO BUY THAT.
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AND USUALLY WE'LL REPURPOSE THOSE FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND THEN GET RID OF, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER WE HAD A, WE HAD A, UH, AN OLD CAVALIER, I THINK THERE FOR A LONG TIME.THEN WE DONE AND WE FINALLY GOT RID OF.
SO WE TRY TO, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO TAKE THE, YEAH.
MAKE IT MOST BENEFICIAL FOR OUR FLEET.
YOU'RE STOCK IN FRONT, THE FRONT BACK.
QUESTIONS THERE, IS THERE, IS THERE LIKE A TIMELINE THAT WE FOLLOW WITH REPLACING THESE VEHICLES? SHOULD THEY TAKING, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS THERE AND JUST SAY SOMETHING.
WE ARE WORKING THAT WAY TO DEVELOP A ME, UM, METRICS OF WHEN WE REPLACE OUR VEHICLES, WE ARE NOT THERE YET.
SO WE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'RE DOING MULTIPLE YEAR REPLACEMENTS AND WE'RE ATTENDING TO WHAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
BUT WE DO NEED TO GET IN FRONT OF THIS AND DEVELOP METRICS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A CRITERIA OF WHEN REPLACED VEHICLES.
AND I THINK THAT IS A DIRECT RESULT OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TODAY.
'CAUSE WE HAVE SOME REALLY AGING EQUIPMENT, SO WE DO NEED TO GET A HANDLE ON THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN PLACE YET.
IT'LL BE DIFFERENT METRICS FOR DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT AND VEHICLES THAT ARE USED.
SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON OUR NEXT STEPS THERE, SAY THE, UH, BIG ONE HERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, APRIL 1ST.
WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THE, UH, TAX RATE, UH, TO BE ADVERTISED WITH THE ADVERTISEMENT GOING OUT ON APRIL 2ND.
AND THEN APRIL 22ND WILL BE THE REGULAR MEETING.
WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE, UH, GRADE ORDINANCES AS WELL AS THE APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE FOR THE ANNUAL BUDGET.
ANY QUESTIONS? I KIND OF COVERED A LOT,
I JUST HOPE WE CAN FIND A FEW DOLLARS TO FIND, UH, PURCHASE A, A SOUND DECIMAL METER.
UH, A CITIZEN DID ORDER ONE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN TURNED INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT YET, BUT AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING, THE $20 IS ON A CITIZEN DID ORDER.
I MEAN, THEY'RE RELATIVELY CHEAP.
ANYBODY QUESTION? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU GUYS.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS DERELICT STRUCTURES.
UM, AND THAT'S GONNA BE FOR US, UM, FROM HIM, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE CAN GO AND VICE FOR A MINUTE.
IT'S GONNA KIND OF BE IN THREE SEPARATE PARTS.
SO I'M GONNA PRESENT THE FIRST PART AND THEN MOM IS GONNA PRESENT NEXT.
THEN JOHN'S GONNA, UM, AND THEN I WAS THINKING AT THE END OF EACH SECTION WILL BE A GOOD TIME TO PUT, UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
SO THIS FIRST PART THAT I'M GONNA REVIEW WITH YOU IS JUST SOME, JUST BASIC FACTS AND FIGURES AND ABOUT THE CURRENT STATE OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT FIVE STAFF MEMBERS, UH, INCLUDING MYSELF.
UH, JOHN HERE IS OUR DEPUTY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
UM, HE'S BEEN HERE WHAT, TWO YEARS? MM-HMM.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT MONICA HERE.
SHE'S OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE OFFICIAL, AND SHE ALSO DOES CODE ENFORCEMENT.
UM, MONICA HAS BECOME A CERTIFIED PROPERTY MAINTENANCE OFFICIAL AND INSPECTOR, UM, IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
UH, WE'VE ALSO GOT CAROL BUFFET.
SHE'S OUR PLANNING TECHNICIAN.
SHE'S BEEN WITH THE TOWN I THINK OVER THREE, FIVE YEARS, BUT JUST RECENTLY CAME INTO OUR DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE LAST
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YEAR AND A HALF.AND SHE ENTERS IN ALL OF OUR PERMITS INTO OUR, UM, PERMITTING SYSTEM, ANSWERS, PHONES, JUST A, UM, FACE TO FACE WITH THE CUSTOMERS,
AND THEN CONNIE POTTER'S BEEN WITH THE TOWN ALSO, I THINK OVER 18 YEARS NOW.
AND SHE IS OUR, UH, CLERK 12 OF OUR BOARDS.
THIS IS THE BIGGEST PART OF WHAT WE DO IN OUR DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO WE SPEND ABOUT HALF OF OUR TIME, HALF OF OUR DAY INTERACTING WITH THE PUBLIC.
UH, WE STARTED TRACKING WALK-INS IN SEPTEMBER.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THE SLIGHT DIP AROUND THE HOLIDAYS, WE'VE BEEN RELATIVELY STEADY.
WE AVERAGE ABOUT 10 TO 12 PEOPLE IN OUR DEPARTMENT FROM THE PUBLIC COMING IN PER DAY.
THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE PHONE CALLS.
UM, IN THE LAST 90 DAYS, DURING REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS, WE'VE HAD ABOUT 590 CALLS.
AND THAT AVERAGES OUT TO ABOUT, UH, BETWEEN, UH, I THINK 12 TO 14 PHONE CALLS A DAY, UH, THAT WE TAKE.
UM, AND SO THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME PEOPLE DO NOT MAKE APPOINTMENTS.
THEY COME IN, THEY CALL ANY TYPE OF QUESTION THEY HAVE.
WE, BETWEEN THE FIVE OF US, SOMEBODY IS ABLE TO, UM, HELP THEM OUT.
UM, THEN THE OTHER PART OF WHAT WE DO IS, UH, WE PROVIDE GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT TO THE BOARDS.
SO RIGHT NOW OUR DEPARTMENT OUTSIDE OF COUNCIL, UM, WORKS WITH THE FIVE SEPARATE BOARDS.
WE HAVE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, THE REGIONAL COMMISSION, THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, THE LBCA.
AND THEN I OCCASIONALLY ATTEND THE ACES OR, AND VERY RARELY ATTEND FRIDA, UM, JUST AS NECESSARY.
BUT WE DO PREPARE STAFF REPORTS, PRESENTATIONS.
WE DO SITE VISITS, WE PREPARE THE APPLICATIONS.
WE GET EVERYTHING READY ON A ROLLING SCHEDULE.
SO IF THERE'S A MEETING OF EACH BOARD EACH MONTH, WE'RE TYPICALLY GETTING PACKETS OUT TO THOSE BOARDS AT LEAST EVERY WEEK.
SO FRIDAYS ARE OUR CRUNCH TIME TO GET PACKETS OUT FOR THE NEXT MEETING OR FOR THE NEXT WEEK'S MEETING.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE PLANNING DIVISION.
SO THIS IS THE PORTION OF THE DEPARTMENT THAT WE PROCESS THE LAND USE APPLICATION.
SO THOSE ARE OUR SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
REZONINGS, THESE ARE ITEMS THAT GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND ARE, ARE, THEY REQUIRE LIKE LEGISLATIVE ACTION.
UM, AND LAST YEAR, UH, I THINK WITH YOU, YOU SAW WITH THE ANNUAL REPORT WE HAD 36 SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
UM, I BELIEVE WE HAD, UM, WHAT WAS IT, 12 CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO THE BAR.
SO, UM, THESE ARE ALL THOSE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING ON THE NEW ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
WE WORK ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
UM, EVERY YEAR WE JUST COMPLETED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH VDOT ON THAT.
WE'VE GOT A DRAFT, UH, THAT NANDO SHORES, UH, PLAN AREA.
AND THEN WE HAVE VARIOUS PLANS THAT ARE, UM, THAT WE'VE COMPLETED IN THE PAST.
AND THESE ARE REFERENCE MATERIALS THAT WE PROVIDE TO THE PUBLIC AS WHEN THEY'RE ASKED FOR.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE CODE ADMINISTRATION.
SO WE HAVE BEEN TRACKING ZONING PERMITS SINCE 2007.
UM, YOU CAN SEE WHEN WE HAD THE RECESSION, THERE WAS A DIP, BUT OVERALL, WE'RE PRETTY STEADY.
2023 HAD THE LARGEST, UM, VOLUME OF ZONING PERMITS SINCE WE'VE BEEN TRACKING IT.
2020 WASN'T MORE OF A DIP, BUT SO MANY PEOPLE WERE HOME.
BUT AS PART OF CODE ADMINISTRATION, WE ALSO, WE ENFORCE THE ZONING CODE AND WE ENFORCE, UM, 1 34 ZONING PERMITS.
THAT'S THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY GET A PERMIT FOR.
UH, 1 0 2 IS FENCES ONE 10, THE ED CHICKENS, RABBITS AND BEADS.
AND THEN 1 0 6 WE HAVE SIGNED ONE 10.1 IS OUR INOPERATIVE MOTOR VEHICLES.
AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THE ZONING CODE ENFORCEMENT, WE ALSO ENFORCE CHAPTER 1 0 7 0.5.
SO WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN A MINUTE.
UM, ONE 70, WHICH IS HIGH GRASS TRASH AND DEBRIS.
1 78 IS OUR DARK SKY COMPLIANCE.
AND THEN CHAPTER NINE, SPOT FLIGHT ABATEMENT, WHICH WE'VE ALSO GET INTO AT THE END OF THIS.
THESE NUMBERS ARE JUST FOR 2023.
SO TOWN CODE VIOLATIONS, WE HAD 203.
UM, 23 ARE IN VIOLATION, 177 ARE IN COMPLIANCE, THREE ARE CLOSED.
AND THEN FOR OUR ZONING CASES, WE HAD 182 ZONING VIOLATIONS.
UM, 19 ARE IN VIOLATION, 159 ARE IN COMPLIANCE, TWO ARE CLOSED AND TWO ARE PENDING.
BUT STAFF, UM, PERFORMED A TOTAL OF 1,228 INSPECTIONS IN 2023.
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THE MAJORITY OF THAT WAS ONE TO TWO PEOPLE.THAT'S JUST THE TWO OF YOU PEOPLE YOU HAVE HERE, RIGHT? YES.
SO THE TOTAL NUMBER IN COMPLIANCE, SO OF THE 180 2, LIKE IN COMPLIANCE, THAT THAT'S YOU ALL ALSO WORKING WITH THEM TO GET INTO IN COMPLIANCE.
DO DO YOU, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THIS, BUT DO, DO YOU ENGAGE THE CITIZENS IN THE PROCESS AT ALL? LIKE, IS IT FEASIBLE THAT THERE COULD BE A GROUP THAT OF CITIZENS TO AID IN ANY OF THESE TASKS ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS SINCE SO MANY CITIZENS SEEM TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT BLIGHTED AND CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS IT POSSIBLE OR DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE A CERTAIN CREDENTIAL THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE? AND, AND IF SO, LIKE IS IT FEASIBLE THAT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN COULD PARTICIPATE IN HELPING YOU? THESE ARE, AS FAR AS LIKE THE CITIZEN ROLE, THEY'RE, THEIR ROLE IS TO REPORT THE VIOLATION TO US.
THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE A VIOLATION TO ANOTHER CITIZEN.
UM, BUT COULD THEY, GIVEN THAT, COULD THEY, COULD WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT DID THAT OR NO, MONICA HAD TO GO THROUGH SPECIAL TRAINING FOR THAT.
THEY HAD TO BE LIKE CERTIFIED.
I BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE UNDER THE ZONING ADMINISTRATORS.
THEY HAVE TO BE UNDER MY AUTHORITY.
I DON'T, THAT MAY BE A BE QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN GO AND OKAY.
UM, BUT THEY, THEY CAN AT ANY TIME FILE A, A COMPLAINT, EITHER PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, ZONING CODE, TOWN CODE COMPLAINT TO OUR OFFICE.
THEY CAN COME AND FILL OUT A FORM.
I KNEW THEY WERE GOOD AT COMPLAINTS.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THEY COULD BE GOOD AT HELP, YOU KNOW, IN SOME WAY.
BUT THOSE BOARDS AND BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS A WAY FOR THEM TO SERVE DIFFERENTLY.
I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THEY, WE DO OFFER OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ON ONE OF THOSE, WHICH WE HAVE OPENINGS BY THE WAY, TO THE PUBLIC.
THEY COULD VOLUNTEER TO MOW THEIR NEIGHBOR SURE.
ACTUALLY THAT, THAT'S, THAT IS, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT ONE POINT ABOUT, UM, HAVING LIKE A GROUP OF LIKE VOLUNTEERS THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO LIKE SHOVEL SNOW AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE VIOLATIONS.
BRUCE VOLUNTEERED, Y'ALL CALL HIM.
HE SAID HE PULLED WEEDS FOR FREE.
THEY INVOLVED THE DIOCESE AND SOME VOLUNTEERS LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE.
THEY FIXED A LOT OF FLIGHT AND STUFF.
MONICA IS GONNA ACTUALLY GO OVER THE SEPARATE COUNT CODES.
THIS IS, UM, AN EXAMPLE OF A TALL GRASS AND WEED VIOLATION.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT ADDRESS THIS WAS, BUT I'M SURE THEY GAINED COMPLIANCE AFTER THEY GOT MY LETTER.
UM, THIS WAS A TRASH AND DEBRIS ACTUALLY INHERITED THIS FROM CHRIS BROCK WHEN HE LEFT.
AND IT TOOK A LONG TIME, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S FINALLY BEEN CLEANED UP.
THIS ACTUALLY, UM, THE, THE GUYS THAT WORK FOR THE TOWN COMPLAINED TO ME ABOUT THIS.
THAT FENCE WAS ALWAYS HANGING OVER, UM, INTO THOSE TRASH CANS AND THEY COULDN'T GET TO 'EM EASILY TO, TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
SO I SENT THE PROPERTY OWNER A LETTER AND THEY REINFORCED THEIR FENCE AND NOW IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
THIS, UH, STARTED OUT AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITHOUT ZONING APPROVAL, AND THEN TURNED INTO AN URBAN AG, UM, VIOLATION.
THEY HAVE SINCE GAINED COMPLIANCE, TOOK A LONG TIME, BUT THEY FINALLY ARE IN COMPLIANCE.
UM, THESE FOLKS WERE IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING A FENCE AND I CALLED THE OFFICE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DID OR DIDN'T HAVE A, A ZONING PERMIT BEFORE I STOPPED WITH THEM.
AND, AND OF COURSE THEY DID NOT.
SO I LET 'EM KNOW THAT THEY NEEDED TO GO INTO THE OFFICE, DIDN'T HAVE TO SEND A LETTER.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PREVIOUS SECTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON? THAT DOES INCLUDE, UH, INCLUDE REPLACING THE FENCE? CORRECT.
IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING FENCE THAT YOU WANT TO REPLACE IT.
NEEDED ANY PERMIT FOR THAT? GOT INTO REPLACEMENT FENCE.
AND I THINK AS SOON AS YOU NOTIFIED 'EM, THEY, THEY WENT IN AND GOT THE PERMIT JUST, UH, LAST YEAR WITH THE HIGH GRASS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
ALTHOUGH LAST YEAR WITH THE DROUGHT PROBABLY WASN'T AS MUCH HIGH GRASS AS WHAT IT HAD BEEN.
BUT I KNOW I USED TO GET CALLS A LOT FROM CITIZENS ABOUT PLACES WITH HIGH GRASS.
BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WE SEND THEM A LETTER
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AND THEN IF THEY DON'T, THE IDEA IS THAT AFTER MULTIPLE TRIES TO GET THEM IN COMPLIANCE, THEN WE COULD SEND OUR STAFF TO MO AND THEN THEY ARE FINED.AND THEY, THEY MOW IT AND THEN WE AND THE CITIZEN IS FINED FOR THE SERVICE OF THE, OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
I THINK THEY JUST PAY WHAT IT COSTS THE TOWN TO EQUIPMENT.
LIKE IF THEY DON'T, IT'S A LIEN AGAINST THEIR HOME, AGAINST THE PROPERTY.
SO IF IT'S A RENTAL, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION A COUPLE YEARS AGO 'CAUSE WE WERE TOO SHORT STAFFED TO ENFORCE IT.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT CONTRACTING TO LAWN CARE COMPANIES, BUT THEY WERE ALL TOO OVERBOOKED TO TAKE IT.
BUT IF IT'S A RENTAL AND THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE, IT GOES AS A LIEN AGAINST THE HOMEOWNER.
AND THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL THEY GO TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND THE TITLE SEARCH IS DONE.
TYPICALLY THE PROPERTY OWNER GETS, RECEIVES THE LETTER.
THAT TYPICALLY, SO IF IT'S A RENTAL PROPERTY, THE LANDOWNER GETS THE LETTER.
IF I IN IN TOWN CODE, I BELIEVE IT STATES I CAN SEND A LETTER TO A TENANT IF I CAN'T REACH THE PROPERTY OWNER.
LAST YEAR I THINK I HAD OVER 90, 90 12 GRASS COMPLAINTS.
JUST, JUST IN THE MONTH OF MAY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
AND I WAS OUT THE FIRST TWO WEEKS OF MAY.
SO 90, 90 TALL GRASS COMPLAINTS IN JUST TWO WEEKS OF MAY.
PART OF THAT THOUGH IS A LOT OF RAIN.
IT'S SPRAY PEOPLE GETTING THEIR LAWNMOWERS OUT AND
BUT I, I THINK YOU SEE THAT MORE IN THE BEGINNING, BUT NOT, OR THEN AFTER WE'VE HAD A WHOLE LOT OF RAIN THEN.
SO, UM, WE HAVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR DELIC STRUCTURES TO ENFORCE, UH, THE CODE.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THAT.
I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND THEN I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO JOHN AND HE'LL EXPLAIN THE OTHER OPTIONS.
UM, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE IS ACTUALLY PART THREE OF THE USBC, WHICH IS THE UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE.
IT'S ENFORCED BY A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE OFFICIAL OR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE INSPECTOR.
AND LAUREN TALKED ABOUT THE L-B-B-C-A.
THAT'S THE LOCAL BOARD OF BUILDING CODE APPEALS.
IF SOMEONE WERE TO WANNA APPEAL ONE OF THEIR VIOLATIONS, THEY WOULD MAKE APPLICATION AND IT, THE L-B-B-C-A WOULD HEAR THAT THE PURPOSE OF PROPERTY MAINTENANCE IS TO PROTECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS.
MAINTAIN BUILDINGS AT THE LEAST POSSIBLE COST AND PREVENT OVERCROWDING OF, UH, AND RODENT AND INSECT INFESTATION AND GARBAGE ACCUMULATION.
RIGHT NOW, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE IS COMPLAINT DRIVEN ONLY AT THIS TIME.
I HAVE THE DEFINITION OF UNSAFE STRUCTURE UP HERE.
UM, IT'S AN EXISTING STRUCTURE DETERMINED BY THE CODE OFFICIAL TO BE DANGEROUS TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE OCCUPANTS OF THE STRUCTURE OR THE PUBLIC BECAUSE OF ANY ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
AND THERE'S FIVE CONDITIONS THAT THEY LIST.
UM, THE STRUCTURE COULD CONTAIN UNSAFE EQUIPMENT.
THE STRUCTURE COULD BE DAMAGED.
UM, THAT IS, IT WOULD BE NEAR PARTIAL OR COMPLETE COLLAPSE.
UM, THE STRUCTURE IS UNSECURED OR OPEN OR TO THE DEGREE WHICH THIS STRUCTURE IS IN DISPAIR OR LACKS MAINTENANCE, VENTILATION, ELIMINATION, SANITARY HEATING FACILITIES OR OTHER ESSENTIAL EQUIPMENT.
AND THEN LASTLY, THE REQUIRED PLUMBING AND SANITARY FACILITIES ARE INOPERABLE.
AND THEN A VACANT STRUCTURE SHALL BE MAINTAINED IN A CLEAN, SAFE, AND SECURE AND SANITARY CON CONDITION AS PROVIDED FOR IN THIS CODE SECURED.
THAT JUST MEANS THAT IT PREVENTS ENTRY FROM THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE.
I HAD 22 PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CASES IN 2023.
I CONDUCTED 22 INITIAL INSPECTIONS AND 30 FOLLOW UP INSPECTIONS.
UM, THIS SLIDE IS OFF SLIGHTLY.
I ACTUALLY HAVE 10 IN COMPLIANCE NOW AND I HAVE 11 IN VIOLATION WORKING TOWARDS COMPLIANCE.
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PENDING A FINAL BUILDING INSPECTION WITH WARREN COUNTY.THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ISSUES.
THIS IS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT I CITED.
UM, IT SHALL BE MAINTAINED STRUCTURALLY SOUND AND IN GOOD REPAIR.
AND THIS PHOTO REALLY DOES NOT DO IT JUSTICE.
IT'S MUCH WORSE THAN THAT IN PERSON.
UM, THIS ONE, THE AROUND THE WINDOW, YOU KNOW, EVERY, ALL OF THE WOOD EXTERIOR NEEDS TO BE PAINTED.
IT NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED FROM THE ELEMENTS.
THE WINDOWS, THE WINDOWS, THE WINDOWS ROUND.
I WAS THINKING, I WAS LOOKING AT THE, FROM HERE, UM, NOT ONLY WAS THIS A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE VIOLATION, THAT THIS WAS ALSO A ZONING VIOLATION.
THEY NEVER HAD A, AN APPROVED ZONING PERMIT FOR THIS SWIMMING POOL.
'CAUSE THE POOL HAS BEEN REMOVED.
YOU MIGHT SEE MORE THAN ONE CODE VIOLATION HERE.
BUT WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SPECIFICALLY POINT OUT WITH THE SUPPORT COLUMNS AT THE BOTTOM, THE DECORATIVE FEATURES AROUND THE SUPPORT COLUMNS, THEY HAVE SINCE CORRECTED THAT SPECIFIC.
WHAT, WHAT'S DECORATIVE ABOUT THAT? WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE WOOD AROUND THE SUPPORT POST? IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S LIKE TWO FOOT THAT EXTRA BLACK AROUND THE SUPPORT POST.
SOME TYPE OF METAL POSTS THERE WITH A, LIKE A WOODEN BOX AROUND IT.
AT ONE POINT THERE WAS MOLDING, THERE'S DECORATIVE MOLDING.
BASICALLY ROTTED OFF THE BOTTOM.
AND THEY HAVE SINCE CORRECTED THAT PORTION OF THE VIOLATION.
SO MONICA, THIS REMINDS ME OF A QUESTION, PROBABLY TWO SLIDES OVER.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A STRUCTURE BEING UNSAFE OR, UH, AL CODE OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, THE STRUCTURE STILL EXISTS TODAY.
AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT HASN'T BEEN CORRECTED.
THIS, THIS STRUCTURE, THIS IS ON SOUTH ROYAL.
I DID NOT DEEM THIS STRUCTURE UNSAFE OR UNFIT FOR HUMAN HABITATION.
THERE'S THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CORRECTED.
IT'S JUST STILL THERE'S ISSUES.
AND THIS IS, UM, THE PROCESS FOR, FOR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
SOMEONE CALLS THE OFFICE AND COMPLAINS.
I'LL SCHEDULE A TIME TO DO AN INSPECTION.
IF I DON'T FIND A VIOLATION, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE CASE.
IF THERE ARE VIOLATIONS PRESENT, I GENERATE A REPORT.
I SEND THE, THE NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
I GIVE THEM, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE TIME TO MAKE THE CORRECTIONS.
I SCHEDULE A TIME WITH THEM TO DO THE REINSPECTION.
IF THE THE ISSUE HAS NOT BEEN CORRECTED, THEN I'LL SEND A NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
SAME THING, GIVE THEM REASONABLE TIME.
I DO A REINSPECTION AND HOPE FOR COMPLIANCE.
IF I DON'T, IF THEY DON'T GAIN COMPLIANCE, THEN I HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH LEGAL.
WHAT IS IT DEEMED REASONABLE? IT DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION.
LIKE THE, THE SWIMMING POOL, YOU KNOW, A A COUPLE WEEKS.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE MORE THAN A COUPLE WEEKS FOR THAT.
THE OTHER SLIDE, UH, MONTHS THAT WOULD TAKE MONTHS TO GAIN COMPLIANCE.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MANY VIOLATIONS THERE ARE AND HOW SEVERE THEY ARE.
STATE CODE DOESN'T DEFINE REASONABLE.
IT DOESN'T GIVE US A SET NUMBER OF DAYS THAT WE NEED TO GIVE THEM THIS SET.
THOSE TIMELINES SOUND VERY FAVORABLE.
I MEAN, DRAINING A POOL, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL A PLUG OUT AND DRAIN THE POOL AND TAKE IT DOWN ON A DAY.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE, THE ONLY WAY TO GAIN COMPLIANCE BECAUSE YOU, I I DON'T HAVE A POOL, BUT I GUESS YOU COULD SHOCK THE WATER AND DO WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO TO MAINTAIN IT, WHICH MIGHT TAKE MORE THAN A DAY IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WELL, BUT THE OTHER THING, LIKE THE COUPLE MONTHS OR WHATEVER, UM, IS, IS THAT WITH, I'M JUST, I'M ASKING MORE FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT THAN MY OWN, BECAUSE I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS.
BUT, UM, IS THE IDEA THAT AS LONG AS THEY'RE MAKING PROGRESS TOWARDS THE COMPLIANCE, THE TIMELINE COULD, YOU KNOW, BE, COULD, COULD CONTINUE.
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LIKE IF THERE'S, YOU'VE, YOU'VE CITED THEM AND TWO WEEKS LATER THEY HAVEN'T CALLED THE OFFICER DON'T CARE AND HAVEN'T SAID A WORD, THEN IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT PRECIPITATE A LITTLE BIT FASTER ACTION OR WHATNOT.I GIVE THEM TIME TO GIVE ME A PLAN OF ACTION.
AND THEN I GIVE THEM TIME TO CARRY IT OUT WITH THE ISSUE.
SO YOU NEGOTIATE BASICALLY THE SIMILAR MM-HMM.
UM, THE ONE THAT IS PENDING, THEY'RE PAST, THEY'RE PAST THEIR TIMEFRAME, BUT THEY ALSO HAD TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND I, I ALSO COMMUNICATE WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS OFFICE AND I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE HAD INSPECTIONS, SO I'M JUST WAITING FOR THEM TO FINISH AND GET A FINAL INSPECTION.
AND SOMETIMES IF IT'S SOMEBODY DOING THE WORK, I MEAN, I, I'M I'M SAYING IF THEY'RE GETTING SOMEBODY TO DO THE WORK FOR THEM, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO FIND.
SO I, I CAN SEE HOW IT COULD TAKE SOME TIME.
SO THOSE ARE THE, THE NEXT OPTIONS WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE THOSE LISTED HERE.
CURRENTLY WE'RE DOING ONLY PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, UH, COMPLAINT DRIVEN ONLY.
UH, AND WE ONLY, UH, WITH, UH, LIMITATION OF THE STAFF, UH, WE DO THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE OCCUPIED.
SO MAJORITY OF THOSE COMPLAINTS HAVE COME IN IS FROM TENANTS, UH, WITH COMPLAINT OF THE LIVING CONDITIONS.
SO WITH, UH, STAFF LIMITATION, WE ARE ONLY DOING PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AT THIS TIME WITH OCCUPIED STRUCTURES.
AS WE GET THROUGH THESE, I DO ASK THAT WE PLEASE DO NOT BRING UP CERTAIN PROPERTIES HERE IN TOWN, IF YOU WOULD, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT LATER.
BUT JUST FOR THIS PRESENTATION, SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A EDUCATION PART, UH, FOR STAFF AND FOR, UH, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
I WOULD SAY THAT OUR LEGAL TEAM AND PLANNING ZONING SPENT PROBABLY, UH, TWO MONTHS WORKING ON THIS WEEKLY, UH, GOING OVER ALL THESE OPTIONS.
AND, UH, IT TOOK A GOOD WHILE FOR RESEARCH FROM OUR LEGAL TEAM ON THESE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE DO HAVE THAT WE CAN USE, THE TOWN CAN USE, AND WHAT WE CURRENTLY USE.
SO THE SECOND OPTION WE HAVE IS THE ABATEMENT OF A NUISANCE.
UH, THAT IS JUST A PLAIN VIEW OBSERVATION.
WE DO NOT HAVE TO RECEIVE A COMPLAINT, PLAIN VIEW OBSERVATION.
THE END RESULT WITH PROPERTY MAINTENANCE IS TO GAIN COMPLIANCE FOR THE ABATEMENT OF A NUISANCE.
THE, UH, THE END GOAL IS TO, IS RECOMMENDED FOR REMOVAL OF THE NUISANCE.
AND THAT'S FOR UNOCCUPIED STRUCTURES THAT COMES FROM STATE CODE 15 TO 1115 ABATEMENT OR REMOVAL OF A NUISANCE.
IT HAS TO BE AN IMMINENT THREAT TO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE OCCUPANTS OR THE PUBLIC SINCE ITS STATE CODE ITSELF EXECUTING.
HOWEVER, THE REMOVAL, UH, IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE TOWN, THE ABATEMENT OR REMOVAL PLAN COSTS.
UH, WE REACHED OUT TO SOME, UH, STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS, UH, TO GIVE US SOME IDEAS WHAT THE COST WOULD BE.
ANYWHERE FROM 1500 TO $5,500 TO COME UP WITH AN ABATEMENT PLAN.
THE ESTIMATED, UH, REMOVAL COSTS FOR BASICALLY A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 15,020 $5,000 PER STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THIS MAY BE A SILLY QUESTION, BUT I'M GONNA ASK IT.
SO IF IT WOULD BE THE TOWN'S EXPENSE, SAY $25,000 TO REMOVE THE STRUCTURE, WE HAVE NO RECOURSE TO RECOVER ANY MONEY.
SO IT, UM, SO AGAIN, THAT STATUTE IS SELF-EXECUTING, MEANING THERE'S NO CORRESPONDING TOWN CODE ORDINANCE REQUIRED.
IT'S A STANDALONE STATE STATUTE.
AND RECOVERY IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
SO IT WOULD JUMP AHEAD OF ANY MORTGAGE.
BUT YEAH, DEVIL'S ADVOCATE THOUGH, IF THEY'RE NOT SELLING IT AND THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH IT, THEN IT JUST SITS THERE.
SO WE'RE OUT, THE MONEY PROPERTY SITS THERE UNTIL, UNTIL SOMEBODY BUYS, THERE'S A TRANSACTION.
BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES OVER THE YEARS, THEY'RE,
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THEY'RE WHAT I CONSIDER THEY'RE ABANDONED.YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE.
I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH, THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SITUATIONS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL WHERE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY DOESN'T LIVE HERE, HASN'T LIVED HERE, HASN'T BEEN HERE IN A LONG TIME.
AND THERE'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO, UM, MOTIVATION TO TAKE CARE OF SOMETHING QUICKLY.
YOU KNOW, OR THEY, OR HONESTLY, THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FIX IT UP OR WHATEVER.
SO ANYWAY, ALL I WANTED TO KNOW WAS MM-HMM.
SO, SO, SO IT BECOMES A LIEN ON THAT PROPERTY.
UM, THERE IS A, UM, AND I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, THIS AFTERNOON, THERE IS AN OPTION UNDER, UH, ANOTHER STATE STATUTE, OR YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND THEN EFFECT, GET A JUDGMENT, BUT AGAIN, UH, YOU'RE GONNA COLLECT IT.
SO, BUT THERE'S NEVER GONNA BE A TIME WHERE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WOULD REVERT BACK TO THE TOWN UNLESS THEY WOULD GO TO THEM.
RIGHT? I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T JUST REVERT.
AND THE LIEN, AND YOU CAN, SO THIS WILL TECHNICAL, BUT YOU REMOVE THE HOME, THE LIEN WAS LEAKING EXTENT OF THE LAND.
BUT UNTIL SOMEBODY WOULD GO TO SELL IT, IT WOULD STILL JUST BE A DEBT.
I MEAN, KIND OF WE WOULD RECOVER.
WE WOULD NOT RECOVER THE 25,000.
CAN WE CHARGE INTEREST ON THIS? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK YOU.
UM, I MEAN, IF IT, IT WOULD GET TO A POINT WITH INTEREST, EVENTUALLY THE LEGAL COULD MOVE THEM TO GO IN AND SELL IT RATHER THAN KEEP OCCURRING MORE AND MORE DEBT.
THERE'S A LEGAL REIGN OF INTEREST THAT CAN BE IMPOSED.
I'D HAVE TO RESEARCH WHETHER THAT'S AUTOMATICALLY IMPOSED IN, IN A LIEN SITUATION LIKE THIS.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING LIKE SIX OR 7%.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S A STATE CODE, RIGHT? CAN CAN WE ADD, WE CAN OR WE CANNOT ADD SOMETHING WITHIN OUR CODE TO SUPPLEMENT.
UH, THE ABATEMENT OR REMOVAL OF A NUISANCE, THAT'S THE STATE CODE AGAIN.
MAY HAVE TO HAVE A WARRANT FOR THAT.
WHEN THE CASE IS CLOSED, IF YES, THEN WE SEND A NOTIFICATION TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO ABATE OR REMOVE THE NUISANCE WITHIN 30 DAYS.
THAT'S THE OPTION FOR THE ABATEMENT OF THE NUISANCE.
UH, LET ME JUMP IN JUST FOR A SECOND.
SO, IN, IN MY VIEW, UH, THIS APPROACH IS FOR THE MOST EXTREME SITUATION WHERE YOU WANT TO GET THE STRUCTURE ON THE GROUND AND GONE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UH, BUT COUNSEL'S GONNA HAVE TO, BUT IT'S AT HAVE PRICE TAG, RIGHT? IMMINENT DANGER, RIGHT? IMMINENT DANGER.
UGLY DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IMMINENT DANGER.
UNOCCUPIED AND IMMINENT DANGER.
WE JUST GOT THE PRICES FOR, UH, ANY STRUCTURE.
WE JUST GOT A PRICE, UH, THAT WE COULD GET WAS FOR A SINGLE FAMILY, WE JUST A BALLPARK NUMBER.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD'VE TO LOOK AT EACH PROPERTY.
AND YOU KNOW, THOSE THAT ON A BIGGER LOT, PROBABLY IT COST LESS THAN YOU HAVE STRUCTURES THAT ARE CLOSE TO ONE OTHER IN TOWN WITH OTHER, UH, POWER LINES AND EVERYTHING ELSE COMING IN THERE.
THOSE WITH A BASEMENT COST MORE MONEY.
SO THOSE ARE JUST FOR A SINGLE FAMILY.
WHAT WE'VE GOT A PRICE ON, UH, THE THIRD OPTION IS DANGEROUS STRUCTURES AND DRUG BLIGHT.
CODE 1 45, STATE CODE 15 2 9 0 6 AND 9 0 7.
THAT'S A PLAIN VIEW OBSERVATION.
AGAIN, IT MIGHT ENDANGER THE PUBLIC.
SO IT'S A POSSIBLE THREAT TO THE PUBLIC AND SAFETY NON-EMERGENCY.
UH, THIS REQUIRES TOWN COUNCIL ACTION OUT OF 15 2 9 0 7 AND CHAPTER 1 45 TO TOWN CODE.
UH, THAT'S PART OF THE DRUG BLIGHT THAT GOES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IT HAS TO BE REPEATED OFFENSES.
UH, TOWN COUNCIL WOULD TAKE NOTICE IN THE NOTICE TO PROPERTY OWNER.
UH, THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO TAKE CORRECTIVE ACTION.
THE TOWN MAY TAKE CORRECTIVE ACTION AFTER 15 DAYS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF GEORGIA, UH, DO YOU WANNA ELABORATE ON THAT ONE? UM, I GUESS MY ONLY WAY IN AT THIS POINT IS TO MENTION THAT TOWN CODE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS CHAPTER 1 45 IN TOWN CODE.
IT, IT, IT NO LONGER TRACKS STATE LAW, UH, AS IT AS IT NEEDS TO, SO
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IT NEEDS SOME WORK.SO ON THE DANGER STRUCTURES, THOSE THAT HAS A POSSIBLE THREAT, WHEN THE, UH, MAINTENANCE CODE, UH, FAILS, WHERE IT REACHES IT POINT WHERE IT HAS TO BE, UH, THE LEGAL PART TAKES OVER, THEY DID, WE DID EVERYTHING WITH THE MAINTENANCE CODE TO BRING 'EM IN COMPLIANCE.
THEY HAVE FAILED WITH THE MAINTENANCE CODE, THEN WE'RE DIRECTED TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION.
SO THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE.
TOWN COUNCIL WOULD COME IN AGAIN TO PRESCRIBE A REMOVAL OR REPAIR OF THE STRUCTURE.
NOTICE SINCE THE PROPERTY OWNER AND REPAIR REMOVAL, AGAIN, SECURED BY THE TOWN, CHARGE AND COLLECT COSTS AGAINST THE OWNER AS TAXES ARE COLLECTED.
SAME THING AT THE END RESULT, THE TOWN IS RUNNING THE MONEY FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE ABATEMENT PLAN.
SO, UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE REMEDIES, UH, AVAILABLE UNDER THE MAINTENANCE CODE, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S WHERE YOU, YOU HIT A DEAD END, RIGHT? UH, AND YOU GO TO THE, SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
UH, SO THE NEXT OPTION IS UNDER, UH, STATE CODE, A PUBLIC NUISANCE.
UH, THAT'S WHEN, UH, ADMINISTRATIVELY THE REMEDIES HAVE FAILED.
AND IT'S A COURT ORDER RELIEF.
IT IS ENABLED TO, LIKE I SAID, STATE CODE 15 2 900.
IT'S RELATED TO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
AGAIN, WHEN THAT FAILS, AS FAR AS THE PROCESS DOES, GOES THROUGH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, UH, A COMPLAINT IS FILED IN THE CIRCUIT COURT MINIMUM PROCESS ONE YEAR.
AND THE COURT DETERMINES THE REMEDY AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES IS WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING, RIGHT? WHEN, WHEN YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, SENT THE LETTERS ASKED FOR COMPLIANCE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, ALL STEPS, THAT IF NONE OF THAT HAPPENS, THEN WE HAVE THAT OPTION TO FOLLOW, GET THAT OPTION, RIGHT? SO, BUT THE COURT DETERMINES WHAT YES.
THE COURT DETERMINES WHETHER, IT JUST MEANS IT GIVES THEM ANOTHER YEAR TO GET IT DONE, OR IF IT, YEAH.
ALRIGHT, SO OUR NEXT SLIDE IS SPOT FLIGHT ABATEMENT.
SO I'LL JUST, WE'LL JUST TACKLE THE 800 POUND GORILLA RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
SO UNFORTUNATELY IN THE PAST, BASED ON OUR RESEARCH THAT STAFF CONDUCTED, UH, IT'S APPARENT OR APPARENTLY MADE POSSIBILITY THAT YOU WERE MISINFORMED ON BLIGHTED STRUCTURES.
OKAY? UH, SO WE HAVE THIS AT THE END SPOTLIGHT ABATEMENT.
THAT'S TOWN CODE CHAPTER 9 36 1.
ALSO, THE GOAL FOR THE PURPOSE OF BLIGHT IS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT.
SO SPOT BLIGHT ABATEMENT, IT HAS THE, THE AREA, THE AREA HAS TO ENDANGER THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMONWEALTH.
SO WE HEAR BLIGHT USED A LOT ROUTINELY.
SOMETHING THAT IS UNSIGHTLY NEEDS MAINTENANCE NEEDS PAINTING AS WINDOWS BROKEN OUT, THE DOORS ARE A JAR IS NOT BLIGHT, OKAY? IT HAS TO ENDANGER THE SAFETY AND THE HEALTH OF THE PEOPLE.
SO THE ELIMINATION OF THE BLIGHT IS FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN AREA, YOU CAN'T HAVE SPOT BLIGHT.
BUT THE GOAL IS, AND A PURPOSE IS FOR PUBLIC MONEY, TOWN MONEY BE USED FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA.
AND THE PURPOSE IS TO PROMOTE THE AVAILABILITY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE CAN SPOTLIGHT BLIGHT AND GET FREE TO REDEVELOP THESE.
SO FOR AND FOR LOW AND MODERATE INCOMES.
SO THAT IS STATE CODE AND THAT IS SPECIFIC WHAT BLIGHT IS FOR, NOT JUST BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE IS UNSIGHTLY AND HAS LACKS.
MAINTENANCE MAY BE, UH, ON YOUR OPINION, UGLY LOOKING OR WHATEVER, UH, UNOCCUPIED OR WHATEVER.
IT HAS TO MEET THIS DEFINITION AND HAS TO MEET THE PURPOSE OF IT.
SO I THINK IN THE PAST, UH, YOU COUNSEL WAS PRESENTED, UH, PART AND, UH, WE ADOPTED A CODE ON THIS AND GEORGE CAN EXPAND ON THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY NOT, IT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE STATE CODE.
SO WHEN WE USE THE TERM BLIGHT, UM,
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THAT'S WHY WE DID THE PRESENTATION ON DERELICT STRUCTURES.SO WE KIND OF JUST ASKED YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE STRUCTURES, IF YOU SEE THINGS IN MIND, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY 99 OUT OF THE A HUNDRED OF THEM ARE NOT BLIGHT.
AND A PURPOSE FROM THE STATE CODE IS FOR REDEVELOPMENT.
THE TOWN CAN ACQUIRE THAT BY IMMINENT DOMAIN IS AUTHORIZED FOR THE PUBLIC, FOR PUBLIC USE.
UH, SO THAT'S ONE PART OF THAT IT FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE.
SO, UH, PART OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, HAS TO ENDANGER THE PUBLIC, UH, HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE WITH THAT PART OF THOSE CATEGORIES FOR THE STRUCTURES.
SO AFTER, UH, TWO MONTHS OF TOWN STAFF AND OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT WORKING ON THIS ON A WEEKLY BASIS, TOWN STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT WE, THAT RE THAT YOU REPEALED CHAPTER 9, 3 0 3 OF THE TOWN CODE.
IT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE STATE CODE AND ITS PURPOSE.
WE HAVE THESE OTHER AVENUES THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER.
UH, THE OTHER FOUR WE CAN USE, WE'RE ASKING OR WE RECOMMEND REPEAL OF THIS CHAPTER.
UH, AGAIN, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, COMPLAINT DRIVEN, OCCUPIED STRUCTURES WE'RE, UH, TRYING TO ATTACK THOSE STRUCTURES FOR THE GENERAL WELFARE AND THE DEAN OF THE CITIZENS NOT FOR VACANT STRUCTURES AT THIS TIME.
UH, WE HAVE THE, UH, CURRENT STAFF, UM, YOU KNOW, LUCINA PRESENTATION AT THE BEGINNING.
WE HAVE FIVE MEMBERS IN THE PLAN AND ZONING DEPARTMENT.
UH, THE NEXT STEPS, UH, WE ASK THAT, UH, YOU CONSIDER THE REPEAL OF CHAPTER NINE.
UH, WE CAN REVISIT THIS TOPIC IN ANOTHER 30 TO 60 DAYS IF YOU WISH.
UH, LONG TERM, UH, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT THESE PLANS.
UH, WE GOT THE COST ESTIMATES.
UH, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE MONEY, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE TOWN MONEY TO, UH, IF YOU GO THAT ROUTE.
UM, AND, UH, COUNT COUNCIL DESIRES, PROACTIVE ENFORCEMENT.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE, UH, STAFF THAT WE HAVE, WE NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF TO IMPLEMENT ANYTHING MORE THAN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND THOSE THAT ARE JUST COMPLAINT DRIVEN.
UH, SO I ASKED YOU NOT TALK ABOUT CERTAIN PROPERTIES HERE IN TOWN 'CAUSE THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN VIOLATION.
SO NOT TO SINGLE ANY, UH, OWNER OR, UH, OUT.
SO, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, FOR THIS PART? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IF THERE'S, IT MAKES IT, I MEAN, MAYBE I'M JUST, IT FEELS LIKE WHAT THIS SAYS IS THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT WE CAN DO ABOUT SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT NOT THEY'RE JUST UGLY.
THAT'S WHAT I TRIED TO TELL YOU LAST YEAR.
IF I WANNA LEAVE MY HOUSE UGLY, THAT'S UP TO ME.
YEAH, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IF THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN DO, THEN WELL, IF IT, IF IT'S MAINTENANCE ISSUES, YES.
SO IF IT LACKS PAINTING, WINDOWS ARE BROKEN OUT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
YOU WOULDN'T FINISH YOUR THOUGHT.
SO THOSE STRUCTURES, YES, THAT'S HANDLED UNDER THE MAINTENANCE CODE, RIGHT? SO IT'S IN, IF IT NEEDS MAINTENANCE TO THE STRUCTURE, RIGHT? WE CAN, BUT NOW WE ARE JUST CONCENTRATING ON THOSE, THAT TENANTS REPORT A POTENTIAL VIOLATION TO HELP THE TENANTS.
AND THE MOSTLY THOSE ARE TENANT AND LANDLORD, UH, ISSUES.
UM, AND THAT'S, RIGHT NOW, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE WITH STAFF MEMBERS.
SO WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THE BUDGET AFTER THIS
BUT IF THERE'S NOT MUCH THEY CAN DO, THEN WHAT? YEAH, WE CAN REALLY MAKE DIFFERENCE DANGER STRUCTURES AND DRUG FLIGHT.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, JOE, JOE, OH, SORRY.
WHOEVER TALKING, I THINK JOE WANTED TO, YEAH.
JOE, YOU WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING? I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, THE AIRCRAFT STAFF HAS SPENT A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME LAST TWO MONTHS TO DEVELOP THIS PROCESS.
WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO, MY FIRST OBJECTIVE TONIGHT IS JUST EDUCATE AND GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME BASELINE.
MY THOUGHT IS BRING THIS BACK IN ABOUT 60 DAYS.
WE KNOW THE LIST OF DAR STRUCTURES WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
AND SO WHAT I WOULD ASK COUNSELS TO GIVE US A LITTLE TIME TO PUT THAT LIST TOGETHER, AND IT MAY TAKE ONE TO THREE TEST CASES HERE AND JUST SEE WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOLLOWING ONE OF THESE PROCESSES TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND THEN WE REALLY KNOW IF WE CAN RUN A TEST CASE TO SEE WHAT THAT COST IS AND, AND WHAT, AND I THINK REALLY THE TIME ISSUE IS HERE IS GONNA TAKE SOME TIME TO GET TO ADDRESS THESE.
NO, I WAS JUST SAYING OVERALL WHAT THE, THE TAKEAWAY THAT SEEMS LIKE JOHN WAS EXPRESSING OF COURSE WAS THE, UH, WHAT WHAT WE HAD IN OUR, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOMEONE WAS LEASE FOR ME ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAD IN OUR JOB, FINANCIAL DEFINITION
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OF DELIGHT, IT SEEMED, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY MORE OF A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.WE STILL DO STUFF ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S JUST UNDER, IT'S NOT BLIGHTED, QUOTE UNQUOTE.
SO IT'S, IT'D BE UNDER PROPERTY MAINTENANCE VIOLATION.
I THINK UNFORTUNATELY THAT TERM HAS, YOU KNOW, BEEN MISUSED OR PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MISINFORMED FOR THE STATE DEFINITION OF BLIGHT.
WELL PEOPLE DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
RIGHT? SO JUST MORE OF AN EDUCATIONAL PART ONE.
BUT I MEAN, IT'S GOOD FOR US TO KNOW.
'CAUSE YEAH, LIKE YOU SAID, IF WE'RE GONNA BE UP ON THE TER HERE IN PUBLIC SETTING, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE YEAH.
SAYING I WOULD IS IS ACCURATE.
STRONGLY SUGGEST NOT TO USE THAT TERM.
SO WOULD A NUISANCE BE LIKE THAT TOS HANGING OUT AT THE STRUCTURE? THE THING IS COKE, YOU KNOW, UM, THE PILLAR IS HANGING OVER, UM, RATS THAT NEIGHBORS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CLEANING UP THINGS THAT IS NUISANCE OR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
I GUESS THAT'S BOTH, ISN'T IT? A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH, RIGHT? WELL, NUISANCE YEAH, THERE'S A BROAD DEFINITION ON THAT.
SO THAT'S BY THE STATE CODE WE CAN ENFORCE, BUT A RODENT WOULD BE A NUISANCE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WELL, THAT, THAT COULD, WELL I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TOO, SO I KNOW, YEAH.
MAYBE UNLESS HE'S TRYING TO TEACH ME KARATE OR SOMETHING, I WOULD, BUT THE STATE CODE APPLY DIFFERENTLY TO TOWNS VERSUS CITIES.
DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER? WELL, THAT'D BE A GEORGE QUESTION.
WELL, THAT'S A PRETTY SWEEPING QUESTION.
STATE TRUMP GENERALLY, IT WOULDN'T BE DIFFERENT.
IT SEEMS LIKE WINCHESTER CITY SEEMS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, BE, UH, GETTING RID OF SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE DERELICTS WELL, AS WE JUST COVERED, THEY'RE JUST NOT THE MONEY.
YOU WANT GET, IF YOU WANT TO GET STRUCTURES ON THE GROUND THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, DANGEROUS IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, KEITH, BUT A LOT OF THE, YOU CAN'T GO LOWER THAN THE STATE CODE, BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS SUPERSEDE TO STATE CODE AS FAR AS TOWN CODE CODE.
YOU CANNOT BE, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT STATE LAW AND AL IS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO AS MUCH.
DYLAN LAW STATE, WHICH I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT WAS, THIS WAS WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
LIKE, WELL, EVEN BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL FIVE YEARS AGO, A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS THAT, AND I'M NOT GONNA NAME ANY GEORGE LOOKED DIRECTLY AT ME WHEN JOHN SAID THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SHAME SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, ANYWAYS, THEY'RE JUST UGLY AND IT'S NOT UP TO US.
LIKE I TALKED ABOUT PROPERTY OWNER RIGHTS, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT URBAN AGRICULTURE, I'VE TALKED ABOUT PROPERTY OWNER RIGHTS, WHEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MURALS, I'VE TALKED ABOUT PROPERTY OWNER RIGHTS AND WE TALKED ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS.
IF YOU OWN A PROPERTY AND IT IS NOT A DANGER TO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THIS COMMUNITY OR THE PEOPLE LIVING IN IT OR AROUND IT, IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH IT, THAT YOU'RE PAYING YOUR TAXES.
BUT I WILL SAY I DO THINK THAT BLIGHT HAS BEEN USED APPROPRIATELY THROUGHOUT THIS COUNCIL A FEW TIMES BECAUSE I KNOW FROM SETTING ON HABITAT FOR HUMANITY BRIEFLY, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN THE TOWN LIMITS, WHICH COULD BE REDEVELOPED AS BLIGHTED THAT I WENT TO, HAD RAW SEWAGE COMING OUT INTO THE YARD.
THAT'S A HEALTH AND HUMAN SAFETY HAZARD.
WELL, OKAY,
SO THAT'S FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THAT, I DON'T THINK THE STATE CODE PROBABLY ALLOWS RAW SEWAGE IN THE CITY LIMITS.
BUT IF IT, IF IT'S DECLARED FLIGHT, LET, LET ME JUMP IN.
SO TO REPEAT SOME OF WHAT MOST OF WHAT JOHN ALREADY PRESENTED, SPOTLIGHT FALLS IS ENABLED BY TITLE 36 OF STATE LAW.
SO THE, THE PUBLIC PURPOSE BEHIND THE SPOTLIGHT BLIGHT, AS LAID OUT IN TITLE 36 IS TO REDEVELOP AREAS.
WE COULD, WE COULD SPOTLIGHT THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX AND REDEVELOP IT AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING USING THE TOWN'S RESOURCES THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
BUT, UM, I, I THINK IT'S INTENDED FOR LARGE AREA, LARGER AREAS IN URBAN SETTINGS.
AND SO I THINK MY, IT'S MY VIEW THAT THAT'S PREMATURE FOR FRONT ROYAL AND UM, OH YEAH.
BUT, SO, UM, WHENEVER THERE'S SOMETHING IN TOWN CODE THAT I DON'T THINK FITS OR IS NEVER GONNA BE ENFORCED, MY PREFERENCE IS TO REMOVE IT.
BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK IT, IT APPLIES TO FRONT ROYAL TO RE BECAUSE IT'S INTENDED TO REDEVELOP AREAS
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FOR AFFORDABLE.THERE ARE A COUPLE AREAS THAT WE COULD BULLDOZE IF I HAD MY WAY THE ISSUE SCALING, IN OTHER WORDS, WELL, PLUS IT'S NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A TREMENDOUS IN FINANCIAL INVESTMENT.
'CAUSE THE TOWN TOWN ACTUALLY ACQUIRES TITLE TO THE PROPERTIES, NOT JUST NO, I GET IT.
BUT REALISTICALLY, YOU KNOW, FIVE 10 YEAR PLAN, THAT'S WHAT FRONT ROYAL, OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT FRIDA'S GOING BY RIGHT AT THE MOMENT, BUT THEY ARE FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND REVITALIZATION AND THERE ARE ENTIRE AREAS THAT COULD BE DRUG BLIGHTED EVEN, I MEAN, I COULD TELL YOU OF A PARTICULAR BLOCK, ANYTIME I DRIVE THROUGH IT AND THERE'S A POLICE CAR THERE, I KNOW SOMEBODY'S OVERDOSED.
THAT WHOLE AREA COULD BE BLIGHTED AND BULLDOZED AND REDEVELOPED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WELL, THIS WAS A GOOD PRESENTATION SINCE THIS IS A GOOD PRESENTATION BECAUSE AS WE GET READY TO SET GOALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT AT THE COUNCIL RETREAT, DERELICT STRUCTURES WAS LIKE A HOT, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A PRIORITY FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE, THE PEOPLE.
UM, SO THIS WAS GOOD INFORMATION FOR US TO KNOW IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO AND WHAT WE CAN FIX AND WHAT WE CAN'T FIX.
I'M NOT GONNA LIE TO YOU, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED TONIGHT, JUST, BUT I KNOW, BUT THE RULES ARE RULES.
BUT I GUESS WE THOUGHT THERE WAS, I GUESS WE THOUGHT WHEN WE PASSED THIS, UM, WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL THAT, UM, WE THOUGHT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS WHAT CITIZENS TALK TO US ABOUT ALL THE TIME AND WHAT'S ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND ALL THOSE THINGS ABOUT TRYING, LIKE WHY CAN'T WE, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY ISN'T ANYBODY DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS AND WHY ISN'T ANYBODY DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? SO IT'S A GOOD THING THIS IS RECORDED TONIGHT.
I THINK IT OFFERS A LOT OF HOPE TOO THOUGH.
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHEN CHAPTER NINE DASH 3 0 3 WAS ADDED? 2018 APRIL, 2020? YEAH.
IT WAS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COVID ASCO.
I THINK THE STAFF'S GOING AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.
I THINK THEY'VE, UH, UH, POINTED TO THE SENATE DIRECTION THAT THEY'VE ALSO POINTED OUT SOME, UH, DEFICIENCIES THAT WE HAVE.
AND AS WE LOOK AT OUR BUDGET, IF STAFFING'S AN ISSUE OR BUYING CONDEMNED PROPERTIES OR WHATEVER THE TECHNICAL TERM IS, IT, IT IS A QUESTION THAT COUNCIL HAS TO ASK THEMSELF AS WE SET THE BUDGET GOING FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE APPETITE FOR DOING WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US.
AND THE PUBLIC HAS TO HAVE THE APPETITE FOR IT AS WELL TO, WELL, TO SUPPORT WHAT WE, WHAT WHAT THEY WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN.
LET, LET ME JUST ADD THE MAINTENANCE CODE OBVIOUSLY WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF THAT THAT'S ONGOING PROCESS.
SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS REQUIRE LITTLE BIT DECISIONS ON INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.
SO IF I DON'T, FOR INSTANCE, LIVE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT I HAVE A HOME AND I AM COMFORTABLE WITH IT BEING DILAPIDATED, UNSIGHTLY, UM, WHO MAKES THAT DECISION ABOUT THE HEALTH, YOU KNOW, BUT OTHER PEOPLE MAY SEE WINDOWS BOARDED UP OR MAY SEE OTHER THINGS.
THERE'S NOTHING TO BE DONE AROUND THAT.
IF I, IF I'M A TENANT, IF I'M LIVING THERE, I OWN IT AND I'M FINE WITH THE WAY IT IS.
WE WE CAN ATTACK THAT WITH THE MAINTENANCE CODE.
IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE CAN ATTACK IF YOU HAVE MAINTENANCE ISSUES, WE CAN, THAT'S WHAT THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE'S THERE FOR.
YOU CAN MAKE, YOU CAN THOUGH IF THE INTERIOR, BUT I HAVE TO LET YOU IN, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
WE, IF THE STRUCTURE'S IN PAINT HALF THE TOWN BAD SHAPE, OKAY.
IF IT LOOKS REAL BAD, WE COULD GET A WARRANT TO ENTER THE INSIDE
BUT YOU HAVE JUST CALLS, YOU HAVE TO BUILD YOUR CASE, GO TO THE MAGISTRATE TO GET A WARRANT TO ENTER IN THE PROPERTY.
HAS THE TOWN EVER DONE THAT? YES.
I'VE DONE ONE WARRANT, BUT I WAS YOU SEEK PERMISSION? I WAS IN YOU WERE, YOU HAD ALREADY BEEN IN HAD ALREADY BEEN IN.
IT'S WHEN PERMISSION'S DENIED BEFORE WE COULD ENFORCE THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE MAGISTRATE.
BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT THE HISTORIC ANYWHERE IN
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THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.SO IT'S EVEN ACROSS THE DOUBLE BRIDGES OUT THERE IN SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE FROM THE ROAD.
I MEAN, IF THEY HAVE PEELING PAINT AROUND THE WINDOW SILLS OR SOMETHING AND SOMEBODY CALLS IT IN, I MEAN, BUT JUST TRY TO REITERATE, YOU ALREADY HAVE THESE OPTIONS.
SO, UH, JUST TRY TO REALIZE THERE'S, THESE OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE, THE TOP FOUR IS AVAILABLE NOW, AND IN WHAT PATH, UH, THE STRUCTURE WOULD GO IN, YOU DO HAVE THOSE OPTIONS.
SO I THINK PREVIOUSLY YOU THOUGHT YOU ONLY HAD ONE OPTION, BUT AFTER RESEARCH LOOKING AT THE STATE CODE AND THE TOWN CODE, UH, WE DISCOVERED THAT MAYBE WE WASN'T USING ALL THE AVAILABILITY WE COULD.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND SO FULL PRESENTATION, I'M NOT NAMING ANYBODY.
BUT, UM, HOTELS COULD NOT BE A NUISANCE BECAUSE THEY ARE OCCUPIED.
CORRECT? DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WITH THE HOTEL.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GO DOWN THE DRUG LIGHT, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE PD.
LET ME, LET ME JUST SAY IT'S A LITTLE, IN MY VIEW, A LITTLE UNFORTUNATE THAT, THAT THE DRUG BLIGHT AVENUE USES THE TERM BLIGHT BECAUSE IT'S NOT PURSUANT TO TITLE 36 OF STATE LAW.
THEY JUST HAPPEN TO USE THE WORD BLIGHT WITH REALLY ACTIVITY.
I MEAN, IS IT ACTIVITY? IS IT IT'S ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, EXTENSIVE, OR I MEAN LONGER DOSES, IT'S ILLEGAL ACTIVITY THAT ALLOWS YOU TO INTERVENE.
IT'S, IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THE, THE TITLE 36 THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UNFORTUNATELY USES THE WORD BLIGHT.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, NOT TO CONFUSE.
YEAH, I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY BEFORE, I MEAN, I KNOW MELISSA MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON COUNSEL AT THAT TIME.
UM, LORI, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE POLICE, THERE WAS A LOCALITY IN VIRGINIA THAT USED, I GUESS THE DRUG LIGHT PORTION OF THE STATE CODE TO ESSENTIALLY BULLDOZE A HOTEL MOTEL IN THEIR TOWN.
BUT IT'S ALSO VERY TRICKY SUBJECT THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M IN FAVOR OF THEORETICALLY, BUT WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT OVER 94 OF OUR WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS ARE LIVING IN MOTELS IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, I MEAN, YOU'RE DISPLACING CHILDREN THAT HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO, AND THAT'S THE SAFEST OPTION FOR THEM.
SO YEAH, WE, I MEAN, I THINK WITH ANYTHING WE HAVE A LOT TO THINK ABOUT.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE APARTMENTS OR MOTELS OR ANY, ANY CONGREGATE AREA.
YOU'RE, BEFORE WE TOOK ANY ACTION, IT WOULD BE PRUDENT FOR US TO TALK WITH THE HOMELESS CREW, YOU KNOW, ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE THE OPTIONS TO, UM, MOVE THOSE RESIDENTS OR PEOPLE USING THOSE THINGS AS RESIDENTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU ALL.
ITEM NUMBER SIX A AS A RE, UM, AS A, I'M SORRY.
SO ACTUALLY, UM, ITEM SIX A, B, AND C ARE ALL, UM, ITEMS FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
SO A REZONING APPLICATION BY FERNANDO ALE.
TO RECLASSIFY 1724 NORTHBOROUGH AVENUE FROM R ONE TO R ONE A.
SO THIS APPLICATION, UM, UH, THIS APPLICATION, THEY ARE, I GUESS EVENTUALLY WISHING TO
SO WHAT THEY'VE DONE HERE TO START THE PROCESS THAT THEY'VE APPLIED FOR A REZONING FROM R ONE, UH, TO R ONE A.
AND THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IN THAT IS THAT THE R ONE, UH, SUPPORTS A LOWER DENSITY, WHEREAS R ONE A ALLOWS FOR A SMALLER LOT SIZE.
UM, THEY, THERE IS AN R ONE A ZONE ACROSS THE STREET, AND THIS IS IN LINE WITH OUR CONFERENCE AND PLANS.
ONE OF THE MAJOR GOALS OF CONFERENCE AND PLAN IN FIELD DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS HOW YOU ACHIEVE DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THIS MECHANISM.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON FEBRUARY 21ST AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO COUNCIL.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS APPLICATION? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY OPPOSITION OR PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
ANY QUESTIONS? SO WE'LL ADVERTISE THIS FOR PUBLIC HEARING OR WHAT? I'M SORRY.
DID YOU SAY, OH, I WAS GONNA SAY IT IS ABOUT A ONE ACRE SITE.
IT'S AN UNUSUALLY LARGE LOT FOR THAT AREA OF TOWN.
UM, ITEM SIX B IS THE REASONING APPLICATION BY GRACEFUL ADOBE.
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ADOBE OR ADOBE, YEAH.ADOBE OF LIBERATION TO RECLASSIFY 1324 WINCHESTER PIKE FROM R ONE TO R ONE A SAME STORY.
SO IN THIS INSTANCE, UM, THERE IS A USE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BRING INTO COMPLIANCE.
THIS IS THE MECHANISM TO BRING INTO COMPLIANCE RECENTLY.
SO THEY'RE CURRENTLY ZONED R ONE, THAT'S LOW DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
AND THIS IS IN THE RIVERTON HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, THEY ARE REQUESTING TO REZONE TO R THREE, UH, WHICH BECAUSE WE DON'T IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAVE A, UM, A MIXED HISTORIC DISTRICT USE, SORRY, IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, CONFERENCE PLAN CALLS FOR THAT OUT, CALLS FOR THAT TO EVENTUALLY BE ZONED THAT, UM, THE R THREE IS THEIR BEST OPTION AND IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO APPLY FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A LODGING HOUSE, WHICH IS NOT A PERMITTED USE UNDER THE R ONE ZONE.
SO THEY HAVE A FACILITY THAT THEY'RE HOME THAT THEY'RE USING AS A LODGING HOUSE.
NOW THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO REZONE SO THE LODGING HOUSE WILL BE PERMITTED AND THEN EVENTUALLY BRING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE IF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WERE TO BE GRANTED.
BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE, THE REZONING RIGHT NOW.
SO WE'D LOOK AT THAT FIRST AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION TO DO THAT IF IT WERE APPROVED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, DID ANYBODY SPEAK ABOUT IT? NO.
SO NO OPPOSITION, BUT NOBODY NECESSARILY FOR SUPPORT EITHER.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I DON'T BELIEVE HAD ANY, UM, UM, CONDITIONS.
TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE, UH, ONE WAS A, UH, B AND B AND ONE BEHIND 'EM STILL IS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ROOMS WITH PILLS.
SO ILLNESS, BUT, UH, LACK OF WANT.
AND WENDY WOULD DO SOMETHING ON BEING A REONE YOU COULDN'T IMPOSE CONDITION.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE? OKAY, THEN IT'LL BE, UM, IT'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THEN ON MARCH 25TH.
AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST BY JEAN DAVID LAJEUNE AND SAMANTHA HARRIS TO ALLOW A SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 3 44 KIRK AVENUE.
SO WITH THIS APPLICATION, THEY WANT TO, UM, CONTINUE TO OCCUPY THE STRUCTURE AND THEY WOULD BE RENTING TWO OF THE THREE ROOMS OF THE, UH, TOOLING UNIT TO NO MORE THAN FOUR OCCUPANTS AT A TIME.
UM, SO STAFF CONDUCTED AN INSPECTION ON JANUARY 25TH AND FOUND THE PROPERTY BE PROPERTY TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL STANDARDS.
UM, WE DID ONCE WE, UM, PUT OUT THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGNS, GET A CALL FROM A NEIGHBOR, UM, REPORTING POTENTIAL, UH, VIOLATION THAT, UH, THERE WERE RENOVATIONS COMPLETED WITHOUT OBTAINING PERMITS.
WE HAD TO REPORT THIS TO WARREN CUING BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT NOW.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHEN THEY HELD THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEY HAD, UM, CONDITIONS THAT IT WOULD NOT PERMIT MORE THAN FOUR GUESTS TO STAY OVERNIGHT.
AND THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY BUILDING AND ZONING PERMITS PRIOR TO THE ISSUE AND SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO THEY NEED TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
AND THEN DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAD A NEIGHBOR THAT CAME AND SPOKE.
THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE AND, AND PEOPLE BEING IN THE YARD.
THEY REQUESTED THAT A PRIVACY FENCE BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
UM, SO PLANNING COMMISSION SUGGESTED THAT THE CONDITION WOULD BE THAT TO ERECT A PRIVACY FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY WITHIN ONE YEAR OF USE AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THIS, MAYBE WE, UM, TIGHTEN UP THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT, CLEAN IT UP, MAYBE MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC.
HAVE WE EVER ASKED ANYBODY TO PUT UP A PRIVACY FENCE OR SHORT TERM RENTAL? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
LIKE I, AND I'M, I'M NOT BEING DISRESPECTFUL TO THE NEIGHBOR THAT CAME OUT.
I JUST, I I I'M SUCH A LIKE, FAIR MINDED PER, LIKE, IF WE HAVEN'T ASKED THAT OF OTHER PEOPLE, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE.
A LOT OF ACTIVITY IN A LOT NOISE.
I'M JUST GONNA SAY, ANYBODY CAN LIVE IN THAT HOUSE AS A LONG TERM TENANT AND BLAST THEIR MUSIC AND HAVE AS MANY GUESTS OVER AS THEY WANT.
THEY HAVE THE SAME, THEY'D HAVE THE SAME RULES AS ANYBODY ELSE IN TOWN ABOUT.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S, IT'S AN OLD, IT'S NOT LIKE DAR IT WAS A CHURCH.
OR IT, IT REALLY WAS A BLANK LOT.
A EMPTY LOT I USED TO PLAY IN AS A CHILD, BUT THEN THEY
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BUILT A CHURCH.I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN COMPLAINTS OF NOISES AT OTHER PLACES AND WE DIDN'T MAKE THEM BUILD A PRIVACY FENCE.
I THINK THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE.
I MEAN, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING COUNCIL DECIDES THAT NIGHT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I JUST WAS ASKING FOR STAFFS ASK, HAVE WE EVER DONE THAT? THE APPLICANT'S OFFERED DEFENSE.
OH REALLY? WELL, YOU STILL WOULDN'T BUT FAVOR OF ADDING IT TO THE CONDITION OF THE PERMIT.
I MEAN, WE'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT'S WHY YOU LOOK AT THESE ON A CASE LIKE BASIS.
IF THEY WANT TO BUILD ONE AND THAT'S ON THEM, BUT THAT'LL BE THE PURPOSE OF HAVING, UH, THE, UH, SOUND DECIMAL METER AND APPLYING IT.
YOU CAN LAUGH, BUT NO, NO, I, THE LAST COMPLAINT ABOUT SOUND DECIBEL WAS BEFORE THE TIME OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE, THE CHIEF OF POLICE SPOKE, DOESN'T MATTER.
AND IN CODE ONE, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S 1 0 6, WE, WE HAVE CHAPTER 1 0 6 OR IT'S CODE 1 0 6.
I THINK WE HAVE A NOISE ORDER.
WE HAVE A NOISE ORDER FOR DEC AND, AND, AND IT'S WHEN WE DO HAVE A DECIMAL COMPONENT.
SO IF IT'S GONNA BE IN THERE DECI YEAH.
WE, WE SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD BE APPLYING.
THAT'S NOT SEE THE DECIBEL OF SOME MUSIC THAT YOU CAN HEAR OVER IF IT'S IN THE DAYTIME.
BUT, UM, WAS THAT, I CAN'T PULL IT UP FOR SOME REASON.
MY COMPUTERS, THEY LITTLE STRANGE.
BUT WAS, WAS THIS THE COUPLE THAT WERE SAYING THAT THEY ALSO WANTED TO, UM, HAVE THEIR HOME HERE? THEY HAVE THIS STUFF IN IT'S, I WAS CONFUSED AS TO WHETHER THEY WANTED TO, MAYBE NOT, BUT ONE OF, ONE OF THE GROUPS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THEY WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT ACTING LIKE THEY WANTED TO HAVE THEIR HOME HERE AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHO THEY WERE.
I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE FIRST APPLICATION.
SO THEY CURRENTLY LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN.
THEY WANT TO SUBDIVIDE SO THAT THEY CAN BUILD A HOUSE ON THEIR LOT.
SO THAT WAS THE FIRST APPLICANT.
NOW THIS IS, UH, JOHN
IF YOU LOOK AT HOW THEY PROMOTED THE AREA YEAH.
THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE GIVING, THE POTENTIAL GUEST ABOUT THE AREA.
I MEAN, IT WAS, IT WAS LENGTHY.
AND IT, IT, IT TALKED ABOUT THE DUST WALLS.
IT TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.
UM, THE CONCERN, I BELIEVE FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT THE, PRIOR TO THIS HEARING, UM, ONCE THERE WAS A RATHER LARGE GROUP IN THE, IN THE BACKYARD, UM, MAKING EXTREME AMOUNT OF NOISE TO A VERY LATE HOUR.
UH, AND THAT'S WHILE THEY'VE JUST LOOKED AT, LOOKED AT IT.
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CALL THE POLICE ABOUT THOUGH.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU FORCE PEOPLE TO BUILD STRUCTURES OVER.
I MEAN, ANY HOMEOWNER CAN BUILD A PRIVACY FUND TOO.
SO THEY GOTTA GET A PERMIT FOR THAT TOO.
SO IT'S LIKE YOU, YOUR PERMIT, YOU LIKE GOVERNMENT, GOVERNMENT, GOVERNMENT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR, UH, APPLICATION? NO.
ALRIGHT, IF NOBODY HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ITEM, THAT IS ACTUALLY ALL THREE.
AND THEN NEXT UP IS OLD BUSINESS.
WE ARE STILL
AND MR. WALTZ ALSO GAVE EVERYBODY ANOTHER, UH, PACKET TONIGHT WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
UM, AND MR. WALTZ, DO YOU WANNA LEAD THIS CONVERSATION OR DO YOU WANNA JUST SURE HONOR, I WILL, UH, LET ME START OUT BY, AFTER WE HAD OUR WORK SESSION ON FEBRUARY 12TH AND WHERE WE DISCUSSED THE OUT OF TOWN WATER REQUEST.
AGAIN, THE DIRECTION OF COUNSEL WAS TO PROCEED WITH THE BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT.
UH, TWO DAYS LATER ON FEBRUARY 14TH, I DID RECEIVE, UH, PROPOSAL FROM THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER, UH, STATING THAT THEY WOULD VOLUNTARILY CONSTRUCT THE SIDEWALK, UH, PORTION ON THEIR PROPERTY OF CRIER ROAD IF THE TOWN WOULD PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER WITH IN TOWN RATES WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE BLA, THE BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT.
UH, I WILL SAY THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, STATED THAT THEY HAVE NO, UH, OBJECTION TO THE BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT.
IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIMING FOR THEIR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IN ITSELF.
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UH, SO I PUT THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA.THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CHURCH.
UH, THAT COULD ACTUALLY, UM, I GUESS VERBALIZE THAT OFFER AGAIN ON THE VOLUNTARY CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALK OR BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNSEL HAS.
SO MY, MY THING IS, I I, I THINK THIS PART THAT WE GOT ABOUT THE SIDEWALK, I I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TALK ABOUT WHAT A SIDEWALK COULD POSSIBLY COST.
TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT IS ON BOARD WITH THAT, IF THAT'S STILL AN OFFER.
MR. WALTZ, DO YOU WANNA? SURE.
SO, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A SIDEWALK ON WEST ER ROAD FROM LORE ALL THE WAY UP TO 3 4 5 22 3 4.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE DID, UH, APPLY FOR SOME TAPS TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE PROGRAM GRANT FUNDING FOR THE FIRST SEGMENT OF THE SIDEWALK FROM SKYLINE VISTA UP TO THREE 40.
UH, THAT WAS THE ENTIRE PROJECT FROM LARAY TO THREE 40 WAS SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
I DON'T RECALL THE VALUE OF THE CONSTRUCTION CROSS FROM SKYLINE VISTA TO THREE 40, BUT WE'VE SUBMITTED THAT.
WE WON'T HEAR IF WE RECEIVE FUNDING FOR THAT IN PROBABLY TILL OCTOBER, BUT THAT'S 50 50 FUNDING.
UH, SO THE REMAINING PORTION FROM LARAY TO SKYLINE VISTA, UH, ARE BASICALLY TWO PROPERTIES ADJOINING THAT SIDEWALK, UM, NEAR WEST ER.
UH, THE PARCEL THAT THE CHURCH IS ENTERTAINING, WHICH IS 650 FEET, THE REMAINING IN FRONT OF NORTHWESTERN COMMUNITY SERVICES IS 475 FEET, UM, FOR A TOTAL OF, UH, 1,125 FEET, UH, THROUGH OUR VDOT ESTIMATIONS FOR BUILDING THAT SEGMENT, A THOUSAND FEET OF SIDEWALK.
UH, WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF ROUGHLY $3 MILLION TO CONSTRUCT THAT.
UM, BUT YOU HAVE TO BEAR IN MIND THAT SOME OF THESE EMBEDDED COSTS ARE FOR PROVIDING CARBON GUTTER ON BOTH SIDES AND REPAIR OF THE ROAD.
AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I DIDN'T REALIZE, THE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT WAS SOME OF THE UTILITY POLE RELOCATIONS ARE SUBSTANTIAL, UH, TO SAY THE LEAST.
UM, BUT UM, SO JUST OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, I THINK THE PERCENTAGE THAT FOR THEM TO BUILD THAT SIDEWALK OUT OF THAT 3 MILLION WOULD BE WE, WE DON'T REALLY, I, I KNOW EARLIER WE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT 65%, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE 65% PROBABLY BE, 'CAUSE 650 FEET WOULD BE THEIR PROPERTY.
4 75 FEET WOULD BE IN FRONT OF NORTHWESTERN, WHICH IS 1,125.
SO 1125, BUT 650 OF THAT 1,125 IS MORE THAN HALF.
UM, SO, AND SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED THE APPLICANT TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
SO THEY COULD DEFINE THAT, THAT, UH, OFFER OF VOLUNTARY CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALK.
AND THEY, AND THEY MAY, THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT FOR US RIGHT NOW, BUT IF, IF WE'RE SAYING IT COULD BE, UH, UH, 50, UH, 1.5 MILLION, WHICH ACTUALLY SINCE THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN HALF, I MEAN, I COULD DO THE CALCULATIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'D BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN HALF AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, 1.5 MILLION FOR A SIDEWALK FOR THEIR PORTION.
SO, UM, COUNSEL, I KNOW WE DON'T NORMALLY DO THIS AT WORK SESSIONS, BUT I'M GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S, OR MARISSA, ARE YOU REPRESENTING
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, BUT YES, I AM.
AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T ANSWER, BONNIE WITH THE CHURCHES HERE, SHE MAY BE ABLE TO HELP ME.
UM, SO WITH THE, THE AMOUNT THAT, THAT JOE WAS JUST SPEAKING OF, THAT GOES INTO WAY MORE THAN JUST THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALK.
IT HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE ROADS, THE POLES, THE SIDEWALK, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, EVERYTHING.
UM, SO WHAT WE DID IS WE HAD OUR ENGINEER COME UP WITH A CALCULATION FOR US TO CONSTRUCT THE SIDEWALK.
JUST THE SIDEWALK, NO ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
NONE OF THE EXTRAS THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE BUDGET THAT JOE HAD MENTIONED.
SO WHAT WE DID, WE ESTIMATED, OR WE, WELL, HE MEASURED 700 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON KREER ROAD, UM,
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CURB AND GUTTER ALONG THE ROAD WITH TWO HANDICAP RAMPS AT THE ENTRANCE WHERE THE CHURCH ENTRANCE WOULD BE AT, UM, STORMWATER COLLECTION WITH TWO INLETS AT 600 FEET OR YEAH, 600 FEET AND 15 INCHES OF PIPE WITH A 25% CONTINGENCY FOR ANY UNKNOWNS.AND THE TOTAL THAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS $125,000.
HUH? I DIDN'T HEAR SIDEWALK, BUT MAYBE I'M WELL, THAT IS, I DIDN'T HEAR SIDEWALK EITHER.
WELL, THAT IS TO CONSTRUCT THE SIDEWALK WITH THOSE OTHER FACTORS INCLUDED.
SO THE CUT, YEAH, THE SIDEWALK WITH CURB AND GUTTER TO HANDICAP RAMPS TO SWARM WATER COLLECTION.
DID YOU SAY TWO OR ONE, I'M SORRY.
S WATER COLLECTION THAT CONSISTS OF TWO INLETS AND 600 FEET OF 15 INCH PIPE.
I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT IT'S NOT FOR THE ENGINEER.
SO HOW DO WE TREAT THIS? IF, IF, UM, IF THEY ARE DOING A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT, THEN WHAT HAPPENS IF THE, YOU KNOW, THEY RUN INTO FINANCIAL TROUBLE OR WHATEVER AND, AND THEY CAN'T FULFILL THAT VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT FOR THIS.
IT IS NOT LIKE A PROFFER, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN A PROFFER.
SO HOW, TELL ME ABOUT, TELL ME ABOUT WHAT, IT'S NOT A PROFFER, IT'S NOT IN TOWN.
SO WHAT KIND OF, TELL ME ABOUT WHAT, WHAT CAN HOLD THEM TO THE AGREEMENT OR NOT THE AGREEMENT WOULD HOLD 'EM TO THE AGREEMENT
SO WE WOULD JUST GO BACK TO THE MORE THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
IF WE, AND THEN, UM, IT WOULD BE A MORE, AND THEN THE ANDY GUEST STATUTES, THIS NOT BEING RESIDENTIAL.
UM, MY PRELIMINARY OPINION IS THAT OPENS THE DOOR FOR THIS TYPE OF NEGOTIATION.
I'M STILL, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SATISFIED AGREEMENT
SO, BUT IF THEY, IF THEY DECIDE TO BREAK THE AGREEMENT, WHAT HAPPENS? THE COURT, UM, TAKING THE COURT, RIGHT? YEAH.
LAWYERS DON'T REALLY LIKE HYPOTHETICAL NECESSARILY, BUT I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY, UM, THEY DON'T GET UTILITIES AND YOU TURN OFF THEIR WATER.
I MEAN, YOU WANT YOUR SIDEWALK, DON'T YOU?
SO SPEAKING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS AND THE WHOLE IDEA ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING WATER, UM, AND THERE WAS ALL THAT CONVERSATION THAT COUNSEL HAD BACK AND FORTH, UM, AND UNDERSTAND, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY WOULD DECLINE THEIR NO, NO, THAT'S, I, I WOULDN'T THAT AT ALL.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT.
I JUST MEANT BECAUSE WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH, UM, YOU KNOW, AT FIRST BLUSH WHEN WE FIRST SAW THIS, WE WERE ALL LIKE, OKAY, WELL WAIT A SECOND, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA BE PROVIDING WATER AT AN IN TOWN RATE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND KNOWING THAT 3000 GALLONS OF THAT IS FREE ANYWAY 'CAUSE BECAUSE, UM, CHURCHES RECEIVED THAT FROM THE TOWN.
SO THE IDEA THAT I, I BELIEVE IT WAS COUNCILMAN WOOD CAME BACK WITH, WELL IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD GET THE SIDEWALK, THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD, YOU KNOW, UM, A GOOD EXCHANGE FOR WHAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN I LOOK AT $125,000 TOWARDS A SIDEWALK, THAT COULD BE 1.5 MILLION.
I I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, I I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S REALLY ANY AN, AN EXCHANGE HERE.
UM, I MEAN, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE SEES IT DIFFERENTLY THAN I DO, $125,000 IN MODERATE GONNA BE HARD TO DO AT THE FACILITY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE TOWN CITIZENS THAT ARE THE CUSTOMERS, UM, OF THE WATER.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, IF WE, IF WE BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTED, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING THIS INFORMATION, THAT'S THE REASON WHY JOE BROUGHT IT BACK.
AND THEN THAT'S THE REASON WHY HE WENT FORWARD WITH TRYING TO GET A, A PRICE ON WHAT IT WOULD, WHAT
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IT WOULD BE LOOKING LIKE AND WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED.'CAUSE WE REALLY WEREN'T LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT QUITE YET.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALK, THE CURB AND GUTTER, THAT CONCRETE, THAT NUMBER THAT MARISSA STATED IS A GOOD NUMBER, UM, FOR THAT.
BUT THE, THE, THE REALITY IS TO PLACE THAT SIDEWALK, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RELOCATE SOME OF THEM UTILITY POLES ALONG THERE, WHICH SOME ARE COMING IN AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST TO RELOCATE ONE POLE.
SO ALL THIS WORK WOULD'VE TO BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION AT THE SAME TIME.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING READY TO ASK.
'CAUSE SO YEAH, THEY'RE PART GONNA BE 120 5K, BUT UNLESS WE COUGH UP THE OTHER, THE OTHER, THE OTHER 2.75 MILLION, $7 MILLION WE'RE KIND OF SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT.
SO REALLY IT'S LIKE, SO WHICH, AND THERE MIGHT COME A TIME WHERE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON, 'CAUSE THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR, THAT'S ONE OF OUR GOALS OR WELL I SAY THAT'S ONE THING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA EVENTUALLY DO.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE BUDGETED FOR THAT NOW.
I THINK WE NOW BUDGET FOR IT NOW.
AND I MEAN I KNOW FISCAL WE'RE GONNA HEAR MORE IN OCTOBER ABOUT WHETHER IT'S A 50 50.
BUT, UM, AND THAT'S THE PORTION NORTH OF THERE.
THAT'S FROM SKYLINE VISTA UP TO SEVEN 11, WHICH IS OUR MAIN CONCERN AT THIS POINT, IN MY OPINION.
THAT IS THE SEGMENT THAT IS NOT, THERE IS NO PROTECTIVE BARRIER FOR ANY PEDESTRIAN, UH, TRAFFIC.
SO
THAT'S NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO BUILD THAT SIDEWALK.
THAT WE ARE ALL ACKNOWLEDGING IS, IS NECESSARY.
SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT.
WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY? WITH JOE'S ESTIMATE AND WHAT SHE JUST TOLD US, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO PUT OUT OVER $2 MILLION, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
THE ISSUE NOT BROUGHT UP TOO, THAT 125,000 THAT THEY'RE ESTIMATING RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, OUR PART WOULDN'T BE FOR YEARS DOWN THE ROAD TO BE BILLED AT THE SAME TIME.
SO THAT A HUNDRED, THIS $125,000 OFFER RIGHT NOW IS ONLY GOOD FOR RIGHT NOW.
SO LET'S JUST SAY THAT YOU COULDN'T TAKE THAT 125,000 AND A CASH FOR OFFER AND PUT IT IN AN ES GROVE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALK.
IT, IT'S, IT WOULD JUST BE AN AGREEMENT.
THERE'S NO WAY FOR THIS TO, THERE'S NO WAY FOR THEM TO REALLY KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA COST.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE OUR COST, OUR COST IS GOING HAVE TO BE IN THE FUTURE.
THEREFORE THIS WOULD'VE TO BE BUILT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WITH CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE 120 5K IS ONLY GOOD IF WE DO THE 2.75, WHICH I DON'T THINK THAT'S NOT REALISTIC RIGHT NOW.
SO, OKAY, SO WHAT DO WE DO FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, LET'S SAY, OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN WE GOT BUDGETING FOR IT? THAT 120 5K TODAY IS, AS WE KNOW THE BUDGET FOR OUR IMPROVEMENTS.
YOU KNOW, HOW YOU PRO YOU KNOW, PROSPECT STREET BRIDGE OR EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE, YOU KNOW, I LIKE HOW MUCH WE'VE SET ASIDE FOR THOSE YEARS AFTER YEARS.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT THAT ONE 20 5K IS NOT GOING TO BE, IS NOT GONNA WORK, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO I, TO ME, THE WATER AGREEMENT WOULD BE NOW, CORRECT.
TO, TO ME IT'S JUST KIND OF A MOOT POINT.
SO I, THE BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT, IT'S A NEW SUBDIVISION OR NEW NEW CENTER, WHATEVER THE TERM FOR IT IS.
UM, AND A SIDEWALK'S REQUIRED WITH THAT.
SO, SO WITH THE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT, OF COURSE THAT REQUIRES COUNTY APPROVAL AND COURT APPROVAL, THEN THE PROPERTY COMES INTO TOWN AND IT'S SUBJECT TO TOWN SUBDIVISION RULES.
OR NEW DEVELOPMENT RULES, WHICH REQUIRES SIDEWALK.
BUT NOW WE GO BACK TO WHAT WE WERE JUST ASKING THOUGH IS IS LIKE, IS IT THE
'CAUSE THEY GOTTA MOVE UTILITY POLE, RIGHT? YEAH, NO, I, I HEAR YOU PUT A SIDEWALK IN THERE.
IT'S, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE THE POLLS ANYWAY, RIGHT? RIGHT.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S GONNA BE 2.7, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA COST THE TOWN 2.7 MILLION.
HOW MANY CALLS ARE INVOLVED MATH? PROBABLY ON THIS ONE SEGMENT YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING FOUR AND ONE STEEL STRUCTURE.
AND I THINK THAT STEEL STRUCTURE IS WHAT'S GONNA RUN THAT ONE.
THAT WAS ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY MOST OF THOSE UTILITY POLES ALONG THERE ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THE BOUNDARY OF FRONT ROYAL NOW.
YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND MAP THAT HE'S GIVEN US AND THE TOWN IS AGAIN, ONE THE SITUATIONS.
MAYBE WE HAVE MOU WE'RE MAINTAINING, UH,
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TRIBE ROAD, WEST PRIVATE ROAD.IT'S NOT EVEN IN THE COUNTY UNTIL YOUR, HOW HARD TO SAY IT LOOKS LIKE MIDDLE ACROSS THE ROAD IS IN THE COUNTY.
UM, SO, UM, I REALLY GOES BACK TO THE STILL THE QUESTION AT HAND THAT, AND IT MAY BE THAT COUNSEL'S NOT READY TO MAKE THAT DECISION RIGHT NOW.
AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES WHERE WE'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF BEATING THE DEAD HORSE, BRINGING IT BACK AND BRINGING IT BACK.
AND I ADMIT IT'S A BRINGING IT BACK AND BRINGING IT BACK.
HOWEVER, IT FEELS LIKE AN ONION THAT WE'VE BEEN PEELING OFF THE LAYERS AND WE'RE FINDING OUT MORE INFORMATION AND FINDING OUT MORE INFORMATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT STILL GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT ONE, DOES COUNSEL WISH TO PROVIDE WATER? AND IF YES, IF NO NO, THAT'S IT DONE.
AND, AND AND THE APPLICANT WOULD, YOU KNOW, UH, FIND THEIR WATER SOURCE IN OTHER WAYS THAT, THAT, SO FLOWCHART GOES NO, THEN YOU KNOW THERE IF YES, COUNSEL WISHES TO PROVIDE WATER, THE DECISION HAS TO BE MADE, DO YOU, UM, WANT TO BOUNDARY LINE ADJUST? AND IF WE BOUNDARY LINE ADJUST, THEN WE HAVE TO OFFER IT AT THE PRICE OF THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, THE REGULAR TOWN FEES.
IF THE ANSWER IS WE'RE WILLING TO PROVIDE THE WATER, BUT WE DON'T WANT A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUST, THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD PAY THE FEE OF AN OUT OF TOWN RATE, WHICH WOULD BE DOUBLE THE WATER RATE AND THE TAP FEE.
DOUBLE DOUBLE THE TAP FEES OR A REGULAR TAP FEE.
OKAY, SO THAT'S, SO THOSE ARE, AND THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE HAS TO BE DONE.
SOMETHING LIKE WHAT WE DID FOR THE NORTH END.
SO WE CAN PROVIDE THEM WATER OUT OF THE TOWN LIMITS.
YOU HAVE TO PUT A MORATORIUM, WE HAVE TO AMEND THE MORATORY.
I REMAIN IN FAVOR OF PROVIDING WATER AND A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT.
EVEN IF THAT MEANS THAT REQUIRES THE SIDEWALKS AND 2.7 MILLION OR WHATEVER IT IS.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT WILL REQUIRE.
BECAUSE IF THEY, BECAUSE THEN THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO DO THE SIDEWALK AND IF THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO THE SIDEWALK, THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE TO MOVE THE POLES.
AND IF WE HAVE TO MOVE THE POLES, IT'S GONNA BE OVER $2 MILLION.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALISTIC.
I DON'T THINK THE SIDEWALK'S REALISTIC AT THIS POINT.
I THINK, I THINK WE JUST, UH, STICK WITH THE DOUBLE THE RATES.
WE GET THE FIRST 3000 FREE ANYWAY.
I I SUSPECT THAT THE, THE CHURCH WILL, WILL GROW AT SOME POINT.
WELL, I'M SURE, I MEAN I GUESS WE COULD DO A BOUNDARY ON ADJUSTMENT AND DO A SPECIAL EXCEPTION WHERE WE DON'T REQUIRE THEM TO DO THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE IT'S GONNA COST US MORE THAN JUST LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, HAVE EVERY OTHER DEVELOPMENT SOMETHING OUT WITH A SIDEWALK AND EVERY OTHER PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THEIR CHURCH AS CHILDREN AND HANDICAPPED PEOPLE DON'T WANT GET IT WRONG.
BUT IT WOULD BUT THAT WOULD INVOLVE, GO AHEAD LAUREN.
THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS, UH, 1 48 TO 11 OF OH.
SO YOU CAN, YOU COULD ESSENTIALLY GRANT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION I GUESS FOR SIDEWALK FIRE.
I THINK HE SAID SOON AS WE HAVE OPEN UP SAND DOORS, BOXES, I DISAGREE.
AND YOU, YOU'VE HEARD THIS ARGUMENT, SO I'LL MAKE IT SHORT.
YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE CHILDREN AND CHURCHGOERS THERE.
YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THE APPLICANT'S WILLING TO PUT IT IN.
UH, WE TALK ABOUT THESE LIGHT BULBS.
HONEST TO GOD, I WANT TO RIDE OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT COSTS $2 MILLION TO MOVE.
UH, COULD WE NOT PUT A SIDEWALK AROUND THE POLES AND LEAVE 'EM IN PLACE? I MEAN, WE DO WORSE THINGS AROUND HERE THAN THAT WHERE WE CUT INTO THE SIDEWALK AND MAKE IT LESS NARROW AND IT'S NOT HANDICAPPED SUCCESSFUL.
I JUST THINK WE MISS AN OPPORTUNITY AND KICK A CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
AND SOMEBODY, SOME COUNCIL SOONER OR LATER WILL HAVE TO START ON THIS.
IF YOU DON'T EVER START, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA FINISH.
I DON'T SEE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A CHURCH AND AN AUXILIARY ACCESSORY UNIT WITHOUT SOME MEANS OF A SIDEWALK NO MATTER HOW WE GIVE THEM WATER OR IF WE GIVE THEM WATER.
I MEAN IT'S JUST, THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
I MEAN THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A SIDEWALK.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THE SIDEWALK THERE, THERE, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S GONNA HAVE TO COME EVENTUALLY, BUT YEAH.
BUT GLENN, I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I MEAN, I DON'T LIKE IT'S GOTTA BE DONE RIGHT.
YOU CAN'T JUST, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU CAN'T JUST HALF A SIDEWALK BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT, YOU GOTTA
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DO IT RIGHT.THEY HAVE TO BE MOVED CORRECTLY.
BUT I HAVE SEEN OTHER
I WOULD SUGGEST WE LOOK AT AN ALTERNATIVE TO MOVING THEM.
WELL MY, MY THOUGHT WAS CAN THE TOWN BEAR OR INCUR ANY OF THE COST FOR THE STUFF THAT TOWN STAFF CAN DO? LIKE WOULD WE BE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, USE TOWN RESOURCES TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO KIND OF MEET IN THE MIDDLE? LIKE IF THEY'RE OFFERING, WELL MY, MY COMMENT IS IT'S NOT TOWN PROPERTY.
I WOULD LIKE TO DO A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT AND THE TOWN WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE APPLICANT TO DO THIS.
WELL I HATE TO THROW THE BEAR IN THE ROOM, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT, LOOK AT YOUR MAP.
THE TRUTH IS, IS THAT IT'S NOT IN THE TOWNS AT, AT ALL
BUT BUT YOU HAVE TO, IT'S ALL THE COUNTY, COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM CHILDREN, WHICH WERE ALL OF OUR CHILDREN USING THIS AREA.
I'M SAYING WHEN WE START LOOKING AT A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT, RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REALLY LOOK BECAUSE WE DO THAT WHOLE END OF CRIES ROAD ISN'T EVEN IN THE TOWN AND WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THE ROAD.
I AGREE WITH, I AGREE WITH YOU.
SO WOULDN'T WE ADJUST THE BOUNDARY LINE TO BE ON THERE? YOU YOU WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT WOULD'VE ALREADY HAPPENED.
BUT WOULDN'T THAT BE WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IF WE DID A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT? WELL, BUT THE LINE ADJUSTMENT THOUGH REQUIRES THOSE GONNA BE WITHIN OUR COUNTY HAS TO AGREE WHICH COURT HAS TO APPROVE IT.
AND OF COURSE YOU GOT A LOT OF WORK INVOLVED SURVEYING.
BUT THERE'S ALSO THE COMPLIANCE WITHIN OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, WHICH DOES REQUIRE, BUT IT WOULD BE IN THE TOWN LIMITS AT THAT POINT.
WE COULD USE TOWN RESOURCES TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ONCE TOWN CODE AND WE ALREADY HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY THERE FOR THE PULSE.
I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT.
AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN PROVIDE AND ALLOCATE TOWN RESOURCES NOT NECESSARILY IN THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS OUTSIDE OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IN TERMS OF THE ELECTRICITY AND POWER LINES.
BUT LIKE THE STAFF, I MEAN THAT'S INVALUABLE TO HAVE THE TOWN'S ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT BE ABLE TO DO THE WORK INSTEAD OF A CONTRACTED AGREEMENT.
BUT I DON THE WOULD DO THAT THOUGH.
OUR TOWN, THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT ELECTRICAL LINE GOES TO THEIR, IT'S GOT A HANOCK 35 KV ON TOP OF OUR TWO LINES.
SO THERE WILL BE SOME POLES THAT RAPPAHANNOCK WILL NOT ALLOW US TO WORK ON BECAUSE OF THE LIABILITY.
SO THAT IS WHERE THAT BIG TICKET PRICE COMES IN.
'CAUSE THEY'VE GOT AT LEAST TWO STEEL STRUCTURES, SELF-SUPPORTING STEEL STRUCTURES ALONG THAT LINE THERE.
DOES THE TOWN EVEN HAVE ENOUGH RESOURCES? PROBABLY MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER TO GO IN AND TRY AND EVEN MOVE THOSE POLES.
NO, NO, THEY NOT ELECTRICAL POLES.
HANOCK WILL HAVE TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THAT.
SO LET, LET ME, LET ME GO BACK TO THIS $3 MILLION.
IT IS A PRICE THAT I JUST GOT IN AT FIVE O'CLOCK TODAY FROM THE ENGINEER.
BUT I WANTED YOU TO RECOGNIZE THE TRUE COST OF REPLACING THAT SIDEWALK FROM LARAY TO SKYLINE.
THERE'S A LOT OF EARTH WORK, THERE'S A LOT OF PREP WORK THAT NEEDS TO GO IN THERE.
AND SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT AND, AND UM, SO YEAH, I I HAVE A QUESTION FROM OUR, UH, FRIEND FROM THE ENGINEER.
YOU LOOKED AT THAT, RIGHT? SO YOUR ESTIMATE IS THE GROUNDWORK, THE PREP WORK, THE RETAINING WATER AND FILL, IT'S NOT JUST BORING SIDEWALK.
CORRECT? WELL, JOE JUST GOT IT TODAY.
SO YOU, YOU HADN'T HAD A CHANCE.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN THIS IS, THIS IS A ESTIMATE THAT WHICH WOULD CONSIST OF, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A 25% CONTINGENCY ON THAT ESTIMATE.
THAT'S ANOTHER THAT'S FOR CONCRETE CURB GUTTER INLETS, YOU KNOW, UM, ANY OF THE OUT INLETS OUTLETS, THE PIPES, STORM WATER, THOSE ITEMS WERE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND I, I WILL LET YOU CONTINUE.
THERE WAS MORE THAT I WANTED TO ADD, BUT I'LL LET YOU ALL CONTINUE AND IF YOU COULD PLEASE ALLOW ME TO ADD A LITTLE SOMETHING.
NOW WE WERE GONNA MOVE IT TO ANOTHER.
UM, SO, SO THE ONE THING THAT THAT KEEPS COMING UP IS, IS THE SAFETY FOR THE CHURCH KIDS.
AND, AND THE ONE THING I WILL SAY IS I'VE WALKED THE PROPERTY, WE'VE WALKED, WE'VE WALKED IT WITH JEFF, I'VE WALKED IT WITH LAUREN, I'VE WALKED IT WITH MATT WIN LANE AND ZACH, WE'VE ALL WALKED IT SEVERAL TIMES.
AND WHAT JEFF HAD INDICATED TO ME IS THAT WHERE THE SIDEWALK WILL BE GOING IS WHERE THE CURRENT BIKE TRAIL IS.
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AND THAT PORTION IN FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY IS THE SAFEST PART OF RAZER ROAD RIGHT NOW.'CAUSE IT'S THE ONLY PORTION THAT ACTUALLY HAS A BIKE TRAIL ON IT WHERE THE REST OF IT HAS NOTHING.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT THIS PROPERTY IS BELOW GRADE.
NO ONE'S GONNA GET TO THE ROAD.
THERE'S GONNA BE A 20 FOOT ROAD WITH TWO 60 INCH VERTS UNDERNEATH.
IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN 20 FEET BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO THE PARKING LOT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GET TO THE CHURCH.
UM, I MUST HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD FROM YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION, YOU SAID THAT THE INITIAL USE OF IT WAS FOR OVERFLOW AND AUXILIARY AND THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE GOING FROM THE CURRENT ST.
SO I GUESS I WOULD BE WILD AND THINKING AFTER WATCHING, EVEN TODAY, THOSE CHURCHGOERS PARK ALL THE WAY DOWN, I NO, THERE'S THAT ROAD.
SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE, THEY HAVE FOUR 50 PARKING SPACES OVER THERE.
THERE'S A HUGE PARKING LOTS 450.
EVEN IN THIS NEW PROPERTY THAT'S ON THE NEW PROPERTY, YOU BE SELF-CONTAINED.
YEAH, EVERYTHING'S SELF CONTAINED OVER THERE.
SO IT'S NOT ANYONE FROM THE CURRENT CHURCH WOULD BE WALKING THERE.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE A FULL SERVICE FACILITY.
SO IT COULD BE BE, YOU KNOW, ONE BUILDING AT A TIME AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE SECOND BUILDING.
SO I GUESS THAT LEAVES COUNCIL CONSENSUS.
I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA PAY 125,000 PLUS FOR WELLS, WHICH THAT'S THE FIRST OPTION THEY SAID THEY WOULD GO DO IF THE TOWN WASN'T WILLING TO MOVE THIS ALONG.
EXPEDIENTLY, I BELIEVE IS HOW, SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE TOWN DOING WORK ON THINGS THAT AREN'T IN THE TOWN PROPERTY.
THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US AT 7:00 PM WAS BRAND NEW INFORMATION ABOUT THE BOUNDARY LINE THAT LORI POINTED OUT IN THAT MAP THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WELL ACTUALLY I, I KNEW IT BUT GLEN POINTED IT OUT.
SO, BUT YEAH, SO I UM, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN OFFER? I'M SORRY? DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MARISSA BEFORE SHE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE MAKE DECISIONS HERE TONIGHT ANYWAY, BUT IT DOES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE MARCH 25TH ANYWAY.
UM, OR OR A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING WHERE WE'D BE ABLE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING.
MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THIS NEEDS TO GO BACK TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION BACK ON NIGHT.
IS THAT OKAY? I MEAN, I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WHAT QUESTIONS WE MIGHT HAVE.
YEAH, IT'S VERY CONFUSING TO UNDERSTAND NOW THAT 125,000 IS THEIR ESTIMATE AND KNOWING WHAT THE RATES OF GIVING THEM IN TOWN WATER, NOT DOING A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT.
I MEAN THERE'S MORE THAN $125,000 WORTH OF WATER THAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING, UM, AT THE TOWN'S EXPENSE.
AND UM, SO, BUT WE CAN'T TAKE THE OFFER OF 125,000 AND PUT THAT IN OUR BUDGET TO WHEN WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SIDE WALK AT A LATER DATE, WHICH THAT WOULD BE NICE.
THEORETICALLY IF WE COULD TAKE THAT 125,000 AND, YOU KNOW, HOLD ONTO THAT FOR WHEN THE TOWN IS READY TO CONSTRUCT OUR PORTION OF THE SIDEWALK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COUNTY.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COUNTY THOUGH.
I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY PLANS ON PROPERTY.
I, I I UNDERSTAND WE DID TALK WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT THAT.
I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE LIAISON MEETINGS OR MATT WENDLING WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL ANY CONVERSATION THAT THE COUNTY WANTED TO HELP US WITH THAT.
WELL, I DIDN'T SAY THEY WANTED TO HELP US.
WE SAID WE WERE GONNA REACH IT, BUT THEY DID.
I KNOW THEIR ORIGINAL APPROACH WAS THE COUNTY'S ATTORNEY A REPRESENTATION COULDN'T RECOMMEND THE COUNTY REQUIRING THIS SIDEWALK.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THIS ASIDE, THIS APPLICATION REMOVED THE TOWN'S INTENTION TO PUT A SIDEWALK ON CHRYSLER ROAD, WHICH HAS BEEN LONG NEEDED.
'CAUSE THE BIKE PATH IS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR SAFETY.
UM, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GETTING READY TO PUT UP THE REFLECTORS.
UM, THE TOWN, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS AT A LIAISON MEETING OR WHEN IT WAS, MAYBE IT WAS A TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.
WE DID SPEAK ABOUT ASKING THE COUNTY WHAT THEIR APPETITE WAS AND HELPING TO CONSTRUCT OR CONTRIBUTE TO THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE THE SCHOOL IS THERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY EVER BUILT THE SCHOOL AND USED THAT FOR SCHOOL PURPOSES WITHOUT HAVING SIDEWALKS TO STAY ON THE PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY.
BUT ANY, ANY OTHER NEW SCHOOL THAT'S CONSTRUCTED, LOOK AT WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL, LEELAND PARKWAY.
THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE SIDEWALKS FOR THE CHILDREN AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL, BUT WE PROVIDE THEM WITH SERVICES AND UM, ANYWAY, WE DID TALK ABOUT ENGAGING THE COUNTY ON THAT PROJECT.
SO THEORETICALLY I DIDN'T REMEMBER THEM OFFERING.
I DIDN'T REMEMBER THEM EVER AGREEING AND, AND MAY AND THEY WOULD BE GREAT IF THEY WERE.
SO I GUESS I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR LEGAL YEAH.
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FORWARD.AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO POSTPONE THIS BECAUSE HOW DO WE, WHAT IF WE SAID, OKAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA BOUNDARY LINE ADJUST.
WE'LL TAKE YOUR OFFER TO BUILD $125,000 SIDEWALK AND WE'LL GIVE YOU IN TOWN WATER RATES, BUT THEY LITERALLY CANNOT CONSTRUCT IT FOR 125,000 BECAUSE WRAPPING IN ELECTRIC HAS TO GET INVOLVED.
O OKAY, BUT WHAT YOU JUST OUTLINED IS A, A DEAL THAT IS THE FRAMEWORK FOR AN AGREEMENT.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE DEAD THEN, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN FOR 125,000.
YOU WOULD ACCEPT THAT DEAL? MM-HMM.
I JUST, SO WHEN THEY CONTACTED ROBERT HANOCK TO FIND OUT THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND THEN, AND THEN THEY YES.
AND MY QUESTION ON THAT IS IF WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THE BIKE PATH, ARE ARE YOU SAYING, JOE, THERE'S HOLES IN THE BIKE PATH NOW? NO.
SO WHY WOULD WE HAVE TO RELOCATE 'EM IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE BIKE PATH? I WOULD'VE TO ASK STAFF THAT SAME QUESTION, MR. I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL NOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING THE BIKE PATH.
THAT'S WHY I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT IN BUILDING, BUILDING SIDE.
WE WEREN'T SAYING REMOVE THE BAG PATH.
WE SAID WE THAT THE EASEMENT OR WHATEVER.
I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT I'M GONNA SAY THIS AGAIN.
WE SHOULD ADD, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE WE HAVE WHATEVER QUESTIONS WE HAVE BEFORE NEXT MONDAY SO THAT IF THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME THAT WE HAVE THE INFORMATION.
WELL, IN ALL FAIRNESS, WE GOT BRAND NEW INFORMATION TONIGHT WHILE WE SAT HERE WITH OH, ABSOLUTELY.
YEAH, JUST REMEMBER THAT THE 125,000 IS ONLY 5% OF THE COST OF THE SIDEWALL AND WE CAN'T ACCEPT THAT JUST AS THE PROPER YEAH, AND I I I'M JUST GOING LIKE IT'S SOME POINT IN TIME.
WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A SIDEWALK THERE SOMETIME.
I MEAN, I MEAN THAT SEEMS TO BE THE DESIRE.
SO HOW DO WE BUILD A SIDEWALK NOW? YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING A 50 50 TO, TO BUILD A SIDEWALK FROM THREE 40 DOWN TO VISTA DRIVE.
THAT 50 THAT WHO, THAT HES TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE APPLIED FOR THE STATE TO STATE.
I MEAN, WE'RE HOPING YOU, YOU YOU APPLIED FOR YEAH, WE APPLIED FOR IT.
SO MY MY POINT IS, IS THESE PEOPLE WANNA MOVE ON ON THIS THING.
I'M GOING LIKE, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD ON THIS THING.
AND THAT'S WHY I SAID, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO THE OUT OF TOWN RATES MADE THE MOST SENSE TO ME AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHEN AMBER WAS SAYING THAT THE 125,000 THAT WE WOULD, THAT WE WOULD, THAT WOULD BE OFFERED TOWARDS HELPING TO OFFSET THE COST OF THE SIDEWALK, WHICH SOUNDS ASSISTANCE WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE PART OF, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT EQUATE WE'D MAKE THAT AMOUNT.
TAP FEES WE'RE GONNA BE GIVING UP.
IF WE DID GET, IF IF WE DID, THAT'S NOT THE FUTURE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE TAP FEES RIGHT NOW, THE OUT OF TOWN, JEFF.
THAT'S, I MEAN THE TAX FEES ALONE CAN BE.
SO BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MONDAY, LET'S TRY TO GET ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE, THAT WE MIGHT NEED.
UM, AND, AND SO THAT WE'RE READY.
DID YOU, WERE YOU POINTING? WELL, I THOUGHT SHE, I'M SORRY.
UM, BONNIE WANTED TO ASK THAT WE YEAH, I HAVE NOT COMPLETED EVERYTHING YET.
SO BONNIE, CAN WE LOOK AT THE
SO ANOTHER PLUS OR MINUS WOULD BE ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, 55,000 OR 60,000.
AND WE WERE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE 125,000 TOWARDS A STANDARD SIDEWALK.
WHAT THE ENGINEER HAD ESTIMATED TO BE AS WELL AS A RESPECTED, UH, CONTRACTOR IN WASHINGTON DC I GOT PRICES FROM HIM ALSO BECAUSE THE TOWN DOESN'T KNOW WHERE THE SIDEWALK REALLY IS GONNA GO YET IN THE BIKE LANE.
WHETHER THE ELECTRIC POLES NEED TO BE RELOCATED.
WE WERE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE WHAT A STANDARD SIDEWALK COST IS INTO WHAT YOU WANNA CALL IT, A SIDEWALK FUND THROUGH AN AGREEMENT WITH
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THE ATTORNEY.AND WE'D GIVE YOU WHATEVER EASEMENT THAT YOU WOULD WANT.
'CAUSE THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT WE CAN'T BUILD ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROJECT.
WE, WE STILL DON'T OWE ANY OF THAT LAND, BUT WE'D GIVE YOU AN EASEMENT AS PART OF THIS AND WE ACTUALLY MAKE THE CONTRIBUTION.
WE THOUGHT MAYBE AT THE TIME OF CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, OUR FIRST BILL, AND YOU COULD PUT IN THE FUND AND LET IT GROW UNTIL, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WANNA BILL SAID, WHICH IS WHAT I SAID I WAS IN FAVOR OF IN THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING.
I JUST WANTED TO OFFER WHAT AMBER, WHAT COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS WAS SAYING IS, IS THAT THE EASEMENT MAY NOT EVEN BE GIVING IT TO US BECAUSE WE DON'T GIVING IT TO THE COUNTY.
SO, UH, BUT ANYWAY, LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS NEW INFORMATION THAT CAME TO US LITERALLY.
SO WE HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND WE NEED TO DO SOME TALKING WITH AND TRY TO PUT THESE PIECES ALL TOGETHER.
MR. WALTZ, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO YEAH, I, I WILL, UH, I WILL GET WITH STAFF AND WE'LL BREAK THAT COST OUT OF THAT 3 MILLION ESTIMATE SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IN THAT COST ESTIMATE.
BUT ALSO EVEN IF WE WERE ABLE TO ACCEPT THE CONTRIBUTION AND WE, IT WILL AT SOME POINT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT.
EVEN IF WE TAKE THE CONTRIBUTION FOR THE SIDEWALK, WE CAN'T THEN GO BUILD THE SIDEWALK.
EVEN WITH THE EASEMENT, THE EASEMENT'S GONNA GO TO THE COUNTY.
CAN I ANSWER THAT? THEY HAVE PLANS IN THE FUTURE OF A BOUNDARY LINE INTO THE TOWN IF WE ACCEPT IT.
IT'S GONNA BE A DIFFERENT GOVERNING BODY AT THAT POINT.
SO THERE'S NO GUARANTEE IT, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THE COUNTY WILL APPROVE A BOUNDARY LINE AT THIS POINT THEY WERE.
WITH THE CURRENT GOVERNING BODIES, THE BOUNDARY LINE IS VERY, IT COULD, DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA WIN ON THAT ONE OR NOBODY WINS.
THE COUNTY DOESN'T WANNA MAINTAIN IT.
AS YOU LOOK AT IT, THE COUNTY DOESN'T GIVE IT WATER.
THE COUNTY DOESN'T GIVE IT A SIDEWALK.
THE COUNTY CLEARLY DOESN'T WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT ON, UH, THAT'S WHEN YOU AND I MEET TOMORROW.
THAT'LL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK FOR SURE.
THAT ACTUALLY WAS OUR LAST ITEM.
SO UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, SEE YOU GUYS WEDNESDAY NIGHT FOR THE WHOLE THING AND MEETING ADUR HERE AT SIX O'CLOCK.