* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE [00:00:01] MEETING TO ORDER. [Board of Architectural Review on February 13, 2024.] CAN I GET AN APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE DECEMBER 12TH, 2020? WE NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL. OKAY. SORRY. CHAIRMAN WATERS. HE IS ABSENT. VICE CHAIRMAN RODIN. PRESENT. MS. SNYDER PRESENT. MR. VAUGHN PRESENT. MS. AERS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUO LAST FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE DECEMBER 12TH, 2023 REGULAR MEETING. IS THAT THE ONE? I WAS NOT HERE FOR THAT YOU WORKED. I WASN'T. I WASN'T HERE. YEAH. OKAY. I WAS HERE TOO FOR THAT. HOLLY, KATHY, HOLLY, AND GARRETT AND DWIGHT. UH, DEWEY? YES. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. THE MOTION. AND MS. SNYDER? UM, AYE. MS. ERS? I'M NOT SURE I CAN VOTE 'CAUSE I WASN'T HERE. YEAH. IAIN VICE CHAIRMAN RODER. AYE. MR. BOND? AYE. OKAY. ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT ONE? YES. YEAH. SO WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JANUARY 9TH, 2024 REGULAR MEETING. I'LL SECOND IT. I ABSTAIN. I WAS NOT THERE. I ACTUALLY TO ABSTAIN AS WELL. OKAY. THEN I DON'T SEE ONE OF THEM NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION. BUT WAIT A MINUTE. YOU WEREN'T THERE AND KATIE RIGHT? WASN'T THERE? SO WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM TO VOTE ON THAT. I'LL HAVE TO VOTE ON THOSE NEXT MONTH. OKAY? OKAY. WE NEED TO VOTE ON A CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN. UM, FOR THE CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT COLIN WATERS STAY IN HIS POSITION OF CHAIRMAN. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. FOR VICE CHAIRMAN, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE UP MY SEAT. I WILL LET THE WHOLE GROUP DECIDE ON THAT. AND I'M FINE EITHER WAY. WE NEED TO TAKE VOTES AFTER. SO, WHO MOTIONED FOR WA? CHAIRMAN WATERS. I MADE THE MOTION. OKAY. AND THEN DO WE SECOND? ALL RIGHT. SO MS. SNYDER? AYE. MR. VAUGHN? AYE. VICE CHAIRMAN? ROD HEISER. AYE. MS. AERS? YES. OKAY. NOW THE VICE CHAIR, IS IT OKAY IF I OPEN THAT UP TO WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? SURE. OKAY. MM-HMM. , I THINK JUDY SHOULD BE VICE CHAIR. , ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THAT? I'VE DONE IT BEFORE. YEAH. , I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT. I CAN MAKE A SECOND. OKAY. MS. SNYDER? YES. VICE CHAIRMAN RODER. AYE. MR. VAUGHN , DO YOU HAVE MS. AERS? YES. OKAY. OKAY. BUT HOLLY, YOU'LL CONTINUE TONIGHT. OKAY. UM, SO YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION NUMBER 2 4 0 0 0 3 2. A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE IN THIS APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY REVEREND FR LEONARD PU FOR EXTERIOR RENOVATIONS TO THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AT 3 0 3 BLUE RIDGE AVENUE IDENTIFIED BY TAX MAP 2 0 88 DASH 13 DASH A PROPERTY ZONE R THREE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED IN A HISTORIC OVERLY DISTRICT ON THAT. YEAH. WOULD, UH, SO YOU SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, IT'S A STAFF REPORT, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE IN THIS APPLICATION AND HISTORIC DISTRICT SURVEY, UH, GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACK BACKGROUND. IT'S FOR 3 0 3 BLUE RIDGE AVENUE, PERMIT NUMBER 24 0 0 0 3 2. IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE FOR REVIEW LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF BLUE RIDGE AVENUE AND IS, AND, AND EAST PROSPECT STREET. UH, THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION IS FOR SEVERAL ITEMS FOR THE BAR'S CONSIDERATION, UH, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF A DRIVEWAY OFF PROSPECT STREET, AN INSTALLATION OF A DRIVEWAY OFF OF BLUE RIDGE AVENUE IN ADDITION OF A WALKWAY FROM PROSPECT STREET TO BLUE RIDGE AVENUE HANDRAILS FOR THE STAIRS TO THE PORCH ON BOTH THE PROSPECT STREET AND THE BLUE RIDGE AVENUE SIDE OF THE DWELLING. UH, BRIEF HISTORY OF THE BUILDING FROM THE, FROM THE PRESERVATION ASSOCIATES OF VIRGINIA OF 1993. [00:05:01] HE ESTIMATED DATE OF CONSTRUCTION OF THIS DWELLING AND IT'S 1880. THAT'S A VIEW FROM, UH, BLUE RIDGE IN EAST PROSPECT. THIS SHOWS THE, UH, PORCH RAILING HERE ON THE FRONT AND THE WEEPY ONE HERE. ALSO ON THE PROSPECT SIDE, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH OF THE FRONT PORCH ON THE BLUE RIDGE SIDE SHOWING THE RAILING THERE AND A LITTLE BIT ON THE BACKSIDE HERE OF EACH PROSPECT. THAT WILL SHOW UP LATER. THOSE ARE THE TWO AREAS WHERE, UH, THE RAILING, UH, THE APPLICATION WHERE THE RAILING IS. UH, ANOTHER VIEW FROM BLUE RIDGE OF THE FRONT AREA OF THE HOUSE. AND, UH, CURRENT PHOTOGRAPHS. THIS IS, UH, THE ONE PREVIOUSLY IS BEFORE DEFENSE WAS PUT UP. AND THESE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS AFTER THE FENCE WAS PUT UP SOME TIME AGO. YOU CAN SEE THE RAILING PROJECT OF THIS PHOTOGRAPH WAS STARTED HELD ENFORCEMENT, UH, SEEN THEY WAS DOING WORK WITHOUT A ZONING PERMIT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND, UH, WAS SENT A VIOLATION LETTER. UH, THAT'S THE VIEW FROM THE PROSPECT SIDE, SHOWING AGAIN THE PORCH HERE WITH THE WALKWAY WHERE THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT HAND RAILING THERE. UH, THERE'S THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PHOTOGRAPH OF THE BLUE RED SIDE OF THE RAILING. UH, LOOKS LIKE SOME TYPE OF ROCK IRON RAILING THERE, UH, DIFFERENT THAN THE RAILING THAT'S ON THE PORCH. THOSE WERE PUT IN WITHOUT A ZONING PERMIT OR APPROVAL FROM THE BAR. AND ALSO THE, THE STARTED PROJECT ON THE EAST PROSPECT SIDE, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE RAILING HERE. THEY LEANED UP AGAINST THE BUILDING. THIS PART WAS ALREADY IN PLACE WHEN CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, CAME ACROSS THIS PROJECT. SO THOSE WERE STARTED WITHOUT A ZONING PERMIT OR APPROVAL FROM THE BAR FOR THOSE PROJECTS. UH, THE STRUCTURE GO BACK AND LOOK AT, UH, THE EARLY PHOTOGRAPHS OF IT. UH, THIS STRUCTURE IS A, A FINE EXAMPLE OF THE PRESERVED EXAMPLE OF THE VERNACULAR OF THE DWELLING. THE FACADE FEATURES A ONE STORY THREE BAY PORCH WITH TURNED WOODEN BALLISTERS AND TURNED WOODEN POSTS WITH SA BRACKET THAT SUPPORT A DELICATE SPINDLE FREEZE. ABOVE THAT OTHER DECK ELEMENTS INCLUDE SOME ORIGINAL BLINDS THAT ARE CLOSED OVER A FULL HEIGHT WINDOW ON THE FRONT PORCH AND ELABORATE FRONT DOOR TOPPED WITH ONE LIGHT TRANSOM AND A WINDOW AND DOOR TRIM CAMPFORD PROFILES. THERE ARE THREE, THREE SIDED ONE STORY BAYS ON THE FRONT SIDE AND REAR OF THE STRUCTURE. UH, PART OF YOUR APPLICATION IS FOR CONSIDERATION. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT IS A, FOR A DRIVEWAY OFF OF PROSPECT STREET, ONE OFF OF BLUE RIDGE AVENUE. UH, APPROXIMATELY HERE WHERE THIS PICNIC TABLE IS SITTING IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, ONE DRIVEWAY WOULD COME IN HERE, UH, AND THE OTHER ONE'S ON THE PROSPECT SIDE. AND WE GO BACK TO THE, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES. IS THIS MEANT TO BE LIKE A CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY THAT COMES IN, PROSPECTING GOES OUT ON BLUE RIDGE, OR IS IT TWO SEPARATE DRIVEWAYS? IT'S, THAT'S WHAT MY ASSUMPTION IS, AND I UNDERSTAND THE REASONING IF IT IS GOING TO BE OR IF IT IS THE TYPE OF HOME THAT I THINK OF. UM, HE DID NOT STATE, UH, STATE IN THE APPLICATION IF IT'S GONNA BE CIRCULAR OR NOT. IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO OUTHOUSES FOR EVEN TO BE CIRCULAR? I MEAN, NOT OUTHOUSES, BUT THE OUTBUILDINGS. YEAH, IT APPEARS NOT. SO I'M, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE THE OUT THE DRIVEWAY WOULD COME IN HERE AND STOP AND YES. COMING OFF OTHER SIDE ALSO. AND IN THAT DITCH, SINCE YOU TOOK THOSE PICTURES, THERE'S BEEN AN ADDITION OF A DECK ON THE BACK. MM-HMM. THAT COMES OUT INTO, TOWARDS THOSE STRUCTURE, THOSE OUTBUILDINGS THERE. SO I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH ROOM FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. HE DID GIVE A SKETCH THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET, UM, A LAYOUT, UM, SHOWING SOMEWHAT OF A AREA WHERE HE WANTS TO ADD THE, UH, PAVING . SO THAT'S THE RAILING. UH, ARE [00:10:01] WE, WHEN WERE THE, THOSE PICTURES TAKEN? THESE ONES HERE? UM, INGS ADDED NOVEMBER I BELIEVE. JUST THIS, THIS PAST MONTH. YEAH. NOVEMBER 23 I BELIEVE. SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. AND ON BLUE RIDGE, THAT WOULD REQUIRE CURB CUTS TOO, CORRECT? MM-HMM. , WELL, NO, THERE IS ACTUALLY A, THERE IS A CURB CUT. YEAH. ON BLUE RIDGE. YEAH, THAT'S THE BLUE RIDGE SIDE. SO THAT'S THE DOCUMENT THAT THEY, UH, SUBMITTED. UM, ONE OR TWO OPTIONS ON THE PAY VERSE FOR THE CONNECTING AROUND THE FRONT, UH, WHERE TWO STATUES WOULD, UH, BE ERECTED IN THE FRONT ACCORDING TO THE, UH, DRAWING THAT HE SUBMITTED. THAT WOULD BE, UH, THE ONE STATUE AND THERE WOULD BE, UH, THE STATUE OF THE OTHER. UH, SO A COUPLE THINGS IS THE PAVED OR THE WALKWAY OUT OF SOME TYPE OF PAVERS AND THE, AND, AND THE RAILING. AND UH, ALSO, UH, HE PUT IN THERE TO UH, DO, UH, ADDITIONAL PARKING THERE IN THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE. JOHN, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. MM-HMM. . UM, AND I'M WORKING FROM THE DOCUMENT THAT'S TYPED UP ON THE LETTERHEAD FROM THE, UH, MISSIONARY PEOPLE. MM-HMM. . YES MA'AM. SO, UM, WHERE HE USES THAT WORD CARMAC, TWO DIFFERENT PLACES. ARE WE TO THINK THAT THAT MEANS A PARKING LOT? THAT WOULD BE MY ASSUMPTION, YES. OKAY. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO DO TWO PARKING LOTS. ONE INSIDE THE BLUE RIDGE AVENUE DRIVEWAY WHERE IT IS, I THINK IT'S CARBON GUTTER. THE, IT CUTS DOWN FOR A DRIVEWAY TO GO IN OFF OF BLUE RIDGE. IT DOES. SO THE DRIVEWAY'S NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT TO PUT A BIG PARKING LOT OVER THERE, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WHAT THAT WORD MEANS. AND THEN, UM, I THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS ALL BACK IN HERE. WELL, I MEAN THEY'VE ALREADY, IF HE SPECIFICALLY SAYS BLUE RIDGE AVENUE DRIVEWAY TO MAKE INSIDE IT TARMAC, SO THAT TO ME MEANS THEY WANT TO USE THE YARD, WHAT LITTLE BIT OF THE YARD THAT'S THERE TO CREATE A PARKING GARAGE. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IF IT WAS A SEMICIRCLE THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO CREATE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE A LITTLE MORE SENSE. BUT IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE. NO, IT IS NOT. THEY'VE BUILT AN ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE OFF THE BACK THAT WOULD PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING, I DO BELIEVE. UM, AND THEN BACK TO THE WALKWAY PAVING FROM HIS DIAGRAM, I CAN'T TELL IF HE REALLY WANTS TO PUT THAT WALKWAY INSIDE WHERE THE FENCE IS OR IF HE'S GONNA TRY TO DO IT IN THE STREET INSIDE THE FENCE AREA. INSIDE THE FENCE AREA. YEAH. SO WE, UH, PROSPECT STREET TO BLUE RIDGE TO MAKE A WALKWAY, I GUESS FROM WHERE HE INTENDS TO PUT A DRIVEWAY YEAH. TO PARK. AND THEN, AND THEN WHERE'S THAT WALKWAY GONNA GO TO? UH, THE WALKWAY IS GOING TO, IT JUST SAYS FROM PROSPECT TO BLUE RIDGE. I'M ASSU FROM WHERE YOU ENTER FROM PROSPECT TO THIS ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING, HE'S WANTING TO PUT UP A WALKWAY AROUND HERE TO THE SIDE HERE INSIDE THE FENCE TO CONNECT UP THE TWO SIDEWALKS INSIDE OF THE LOT. JUST AN ASSUMPTION THAT WOULD BE TO MOVE WHEELCHAIRS. AND I ONLY SAY THIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE LIFT VAN OUT BACK IS MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT SOMEBODY IN A WHEELCHAIR LIVES IN THAT HOUSE. VERY DIFFICULT TO PUSH THAT OVER. NO, I, I THINK THE INTENTS ON MAKING THAT A CONVALESCENT OUT. SO NUMBER EIGHT AND 11. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. YEAH. NUMBER EIGHT, REFERENCES TO CLOSE UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE WITH STONES AND BRICKS. ANY IDEA WHAT YOU'VE GOT PLANNED THERE? UM, NO, NOT REALLY. AND CHANGING THE WINDOWS, HE'S A LITTLE BIG ON HIS APPLICATION, CHANGING THE WINDOWS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS EITHER. I CAN'T TELL IF THOSE ARE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS OR NOT. I FEEL LIKE THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE. I THINK THEY ARE, ESPECIALLY IN THE BASE. OKAY. I COULDN'T TELL IF VINYL HAD BEEN PUT IN. IT'S DEFINITELY STILL THE WOOD ALL THE WAY AROUND THE OUTSIDE. BUT I, I DIDN'T WANT TO TRESPASS SO I COULDN'T GET UP CLOSE, CLOSE ENOUGH TO SEE. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT CHANGING THE WINDOWS MEANS EITHER. BUT IT SAYS THE ONES THAT HAVE SPLIT COOLING AIR CONDITION. DOES YOUR PICTURE SHOW THAT? DO YOU YEAH, I THOUGHT THAT HE WAS JUST TAKING OUT HIS ACE, LIKE THE WINDOWS SHAKER UNITS. THE MINI YEAH. I, I DIDN'T THINK THAT HE WAS ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING TO THE WINDOWS FROM WHAT HE DESCRIBED IN HIS APPLICATION. AND HE'S NOT HERE TO CLARIFY. THAT'S NOT HOW THE WORDING IS ON THIS. RIGHT. NOT AT ALL. CHANGING WINDOWS. YEAH. SO CHANGING THE WINDOW PLACES WITH A SPLIT. THAT'S WHY I REALLY, I THOUGHT THEY WERE MINI SPLITS, BUT NOW I'M THINKING THEY'RE JUST A WINDOW, H HVAC AND YOU JUST PULL THOSE OUT AND USUALLY PULL THE WINDOW DOWN. YEAH. I THINK THEY'RE WINDOW UNITS WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT. I THINK WE NEED MORE CLARITY. [00:15:01] AND THESE STATUES AND SIGNS, HE DOESN'T GIVE ANY LIKE SIZE. IS THERE A LIMIT TO HOW LARGE THESE THINGS COULD BE? ARE THESE GONNA BE LIKE LITTLE, THEY'RE JUST KIND OF STOCK PHOTOS THAT HE'S PROVIDED AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE MEANS SIGNS LIKE A, LIKE A PHYSICAL SIGN. I THINK HE, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO LINE BY LINE. I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO THOSE STATUTES AS SIGNS AND THEY'RE NOT TRULY SIGNS. NO. WELL HE SAYS SIGNS AND SYMBOLS. SO IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S REALLY NOT, YEAH. THE RELIGIOUS SIGNS AND SYMBOLS. AND THIS COULD BE A LANGUAGE BARRIER ISSUE. I, I DO THINK THAT'S A GOOD CHUNK OF WHAT THIS IS. UM, DO WE WANT TO GO LINE BY LINE? AND I GUESS I PERSONALLY HAVE A QUESTION ON, I GUESS WHAT WE DO HAVE AUTHORITY OF AND WHAT WE DON'T WANNA HEAR. YEAH. IS, IS THERE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PAVING THAT YOU'RE PERMITTED TO DO ON A RESIDENTIAL LOT? RIGHT. CAN LIKE PERCENTAGE OF THE RIGHT, ARE YOU READY TO TAKE THE WHOLE YARD? SO OUR GUIDELINE WORKSHEET SAYS THAT PART OF WHAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER IS, UM, UNDER NUMBER FIVE, THE PRESENT CHARACTER OF THE SETTING OF THE STRUCTURE OR THE AREA AND ITS SURROUNDINGS. THE PROBABLE EFFECT OF PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION ON TREES, WOODED AREAS OF HISTORIC SITES. SO THAT, THAT GOING THROUGH THE TREES THERE. HISTORIC, I DON'T KNOW. AND HIS PAVEMENT, THERE'S NOT ANY TREES BACK THERE. THEY FELL DOWN, I THINK, BUT I DON'T KNOW OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE, IF HE'S GONNA CREATE A DRIVEWAY AND WITH PARKING. YEAH, IT'S GOING RIGHT UP INTO THE, WHAT LITTLE BIT OF THE YARD IS LEFT. AND I HAVE A LITTLE PROBLEM WITH HIM NOT BEING HERE OR ANY REPRESENTATIVES BEING HERE BECAUSE THIS REALLY IS A LANGUAGE BARRIER THING, I THINK. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. , WOULD YOU LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO TABLE IT UNTIL WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVE. OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO LOOK, I MEAN, ON THE RAILING, DO YOU WANT TO TRY TO GET THAT? UH, I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THE WHOLE THING UNTIL WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE. OKAY. BECAUSE JUST SHOWING THE, THE MATERIALS THEY WERE USING THEIR PROPER MATERIALS FOR, IT LOOKED LIKE WOODEN AND RIGHT IRON, WHICH IS CONTEMPORARY FOR THAT HOUSE. BUT, UH, NO, THERE'S VINYL. IT WAS VINYL ON THE SIDE. LOOKED WOOD. YEAH, THEY DID. YEAH. WHAT DO YOU PUT ON THE FRONT? THAT'S, THAT'S VINYL. LET'S LOOK ON THE SIDE ONES. THE SIDE DOES LOOK LIKE WOOD. WOOD AND RIGHT IRON. YEAH. SO THAT'S, IT ALSO WOULD BE NICE IF IT ALL MATCHED. RIGHT. BUT I JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE REPRESENTATIVE OF OWNER OF THE HOUSE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. YEAH. AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WHERE OUR LINE AND WHOEVER GOES OUT AND DOES THE INSPECTION TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE BUILDING CODE. BUILDING CODE FOR FROM THE COUNTY. IS THAT WHO WOULD GO OUT AND INSPECT THE HANDRAILS? YES. YES. THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT, A PERMIT FROM WARREN COUNTY TO DO THE INSPECTION ON THE INSTALLATION OF THE HANDRAILS. SO IT'S ALREADY UP. BOTH ALL OF THEM ARE ALREADY UP. SO HOW CAN WE APPROVE THEM IF WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY MEET THE BUILDING PERMIT? WELL YOU WOULD ONLY BE APPROVING THE MATERIALS. THE MATERIAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. IF, IF THE BOARD DE DECIDES TO DO THAT, YOU WOULD STILL NEED A ZONING PERMIT TO DO THE WORK AND A WARREN COUNTY PERMIT FOR THE INSTALLATION TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE OKAY. WE JUST APPROVED THE MATERIAL. YES. GOT IT. THANK YOU. IF YOU THINK THE MATERIALS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT HOUSE, I DEFINITELY DON'T THINK THE FRONT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE HOUSE. NO. I DON'T KNOW IF THE ANGLE, THE PICTURE IS, BUT IT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK LEVEL. YEAH. THE OTHER ONE IS NOT ARE THE, THAT LIKE YOU PUT WOOD IN AND THEN YOU SLIDE THE VINYL DOWN OVER TOP. I DUNNO. OH, MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE WHAT THE BACK DOING ON THE BACK. SEE I CAN'T TELL. WELL HE DID SAY THE BACK ONE WAS GONNA BE WHITE TOO, SO PROBABLY. SO I'M WONDERING IF HE JUST PUT SOME KIND OF ANCHOR DOWN AND THEN YOU JUST PUT THE POST ON AND THEN YOU SLIDE IT. I'M GONNA BE HONEST, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE PUSHING SOMEONE OFF THAT RAMP AT THE ANGLE WITH THAT LITTLE STEEP, WITH THE SHEET VINYL HANGING OFF THE FRONT. YEAH. UM, YES. [00:20:01] I DON'T FIND THE MATERIAL TO BE APPROPRIATE. AND IF YOU, UH, IF YOU LOOK IN THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S THE PICKET FENCE THEY, I'M ASSUMING IS GOING BACK AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S NOT WOOD. WHERE IS THAT GOING? ISN'T THAT IN HERE TOO TO REPLACE THE FENCE? I READ IT SOMEWHERE. WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THAT ON ANOTHER APPLICATION. I, IT WAS OH, TO REPLACE THE FENCE THAT WAS ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. YEAH. ON THE FENCE. YEAH. WITH THE SAME TYPE OF MATERIAL THOUGH. I'D HAVE, WE HAVE TO, IF IT HAS TO WOOD IT'S GOTTA BE LIKE THAT WAS A GREAT FENCE. IT JUST HADN'T BEEN KEPT UP WITH THE PAINT. YEAH. OH IT JUST NEEDS A COUPLE OF PICKETS REPLACED ON IT. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AS, I HAVE ALWAYS LOVED THAT, HOW THAT HOUSE WAS IN OUR HISTORICAL GUIDELINE. YEAH. PACKAGE IS LIKE ONE OF THE EXAMPLES OF JUST A BE GOOD EXAMPLE OF MAINTAINING HISTORIC CHARACTER. MM-HMM. . BUT THAT THE FENCES YOU, I MEAN THAT FENCING YOU POINTED OUT ON THE PORCH, THAT DOESN'T MATCH IT AT ALL. NO, IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. WHICH THE ONE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. I'M LOOKING FOR. SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT LAST PICTURE, HE WAS SEE THE FENCING STANDING UP ON THE BACK OF THE PORCH. THE MATERIALS. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT ELLEN WAS SAYING. SHE, SHE TOOK PICTURE SHE THINKS MAY YEAH. THAT. OH, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU SAID THAT. IT LOOKS LIKE COVERED PLASTIC, CORRECT? YEAH. WELL I THINK IT'S VINYL IS THERE CORRECT? ? YES. YES. SO I MEAN THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CLARIFIED, UM, BUT UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MOVE ON PART OF IT AND NOT THE OTHER. YEAH. WELL AND I, EVEN IF YOU WERE HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HIM OR IF WE WOULD NEED TO DO LIKE A SITE VISIT OR SOMETHING WITH HIM WHILE HE LIKE EXPLAINS EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO DO. 'CAUSE IT'S SEPTEMBER THE FENCE REPLACE FENCE WITH SIMILAR FENCE, SAME SIZE. LET ME LOOK AT WHAT THE APPROVAL SAID. BUT I DON'T THINK ANY FENCING HAS BEEN REPLACED. NO FENCING HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. YEAH, NO. YES. RIGHT. SO WHAT THEY APPROVED WAS TO REPLACE IT AND THEN I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT STACKED ON THE FRONT PORCH. THE APPROVAL SAYS APPROVED FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A THREE FOOT HIGH PICKET FENCE TO BE AS LONG INSTALLED ALONG THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE AS SHOWN ON THE SUBMITTED DRAWING. APPLICANT IS RESERVE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THAT THE FENCE IS INSTALLED ON HIS OWN PROPERTY. NO FENCE SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED OR ALTERED TO INCLUDE PURING. NAILS ARE THE MATERIALS THAT WOULD CREATE A DANGEROUS CONDITION. FINISHED SIDE SHALL FACE TOWARD IMPROVED PUBLIC STREETS ADJOINING LOTS. BUT DID IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT VINYL FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS REQUIREMENT? A FINISHED FENCE SIDE SHALL CONSIST OF THE SIDE COVERED WITH PICKETS OR SIMILAR MATERIALS SUCH AS, BUT NOT LIMITED TO PANELS, WIRE AND OR FABRIC IF ANY. AND OPPOSITE OF A SIDE WITH EXPOSED RAILS OR SIMILAR SUPPORTS DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY THE WOOD. IT JUST SAYS THREE. I WONDER IF THEY'RE TAKING ALL OF THIS FENCING DOWN AND PUTTING THAT NEW STUFF UP. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ENOUGH, BUT MAYBE THEY HAVE MORE ELSEWHERE. I MEAN HE DID WHAT WAS APPROVED. HIS REQUEST WAS REPLACE FENCE WITH SIMILAR FENCE. SO REPLACE MEANS TO ME THAT HE'S GETTING RID OF WHAT'S THERE. RIGHT. SIMILAR COULD JUST BE, WELL IT'S WHITE AND IT'S SORT OF SAME HEIGHT PICKETS. RIGHT? FAKE PICKETS. YEAH. UNLESS WHEN HE TEARS THIS SECTIONALITY PLANS TO WRAP AROUND THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW. BUT I MEAN AGAIN, THAT'S NOT UP FOR DECISION ON, I MEAN IF HE MATERIAL IS ANYTHING THAT'S OUT OF LINE WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED, WE WOULD CITE HIM FOR THAT. YEAH. THE MATERIAL IS IN OUR LIMITS. NO, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEING REQUESTED IN THIS, RIGHT? THAT FENCING IS NOT IN THIS OR YOU SAID YOU DID SEE IT OR I'VE READ THAT. THAT PERMIT. YES. I JUST COULDN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS IN THIS ONE OR A DIFFERENT ONE. YEAH. I'M WORRIED THAT THIS IS GONNA TAKE AWAY FROM LIKE THE HISTORIC CHARM OF THE HOUSE ADDING ALL THIS AND TAKING AWAY A LOT OF STUFF AND JUST ALL THIS REPLACEMENT AND YOU GUYS CAN BRING UP, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BRING UP THE FENCE WITH HIM TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, TORN DOWN ONE NIGHT AND THE NEXT DAY VINYL'S UP . RIGHT. YEAH. I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD TABLE THIS UNTIL WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE. YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S NOT HIM AS LONG AS SOMEBODY REPRESENTING HIM. MM-HMM. BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S, IF HE'S TRAVELING AFRICA AND ALL, HE MIGHT BE A VERY BUSY GUY AND HARD TO GET PINNED DOWN. [00:25:08] YOU NEED A MOTION IN A SECOND? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS UNTIL WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE TO SPEAK TO. I'LL SECOND IT. DO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT AT ALL? I DON'T KNOW. MY QUESTION WAS NEVER ANSWERED. CAN WE VOTE ON ANY OF IT OR DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON ALL OF IT AS A PACKAGE THAT'S UP TO THE BAR. HOW YOU WANT? THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU GUYS HOW YOU WANNA DO IT. DO YOU WANNA DO IT PER LINE ITEM? WE DO LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM, BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE THOSE ON. WE DO THAT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE READY OTHER THAN THE HANDRAILS? YEAH, I'M READY TO SAY THAT. THAT THE VINYL WRAPPED AROUND THE WOOD I DON'T BELIEVE IS IN KEEPING WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE. THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD BE READY TO VOTE ON AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AND WE'RE CONFIDENT IT'S VINYL. YEAH. ON BLUE RIDGE IS VINYL. IT LOOKS LIKE VINYL. OH, IT VINYL, OKAY. THAT IS WHAT, THAT RIGHT THERE. THAT'S VINYL. YEAH. I MEAN IT APPEARS EVEN THE RAILS I THINK ARE VALID. SO THAT IS IS THAT NUMBER SEVEN? NUMBER SIX AND SEVEN? UM, SIX IS NOT TECHNICALLY DONE. RIGHT? SEVEN WOULD BE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW. YEAH. MM-HMM. . SO IF THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED AND HAVE ESSENTIAL LIKE FOR LIKE RIGHT. MATCH THE, I MEAN THAT, THAT IS HARD BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WERE NEVER ANY HANDRAILS THERE TO BEGIN WITH. SO, BUT COULD THEY WOOD TO WHAT'S KIND OF ALREADY THERE? JUST TO KEEP WITH THE INTEGRITY? DON'T THINK THERE NEVER WERE. I NO, THERE PROBABLY, THERE'S ONLY TWO STEPS. I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT MY HOUSE, I HAVE LIKE EIGHT STEPS GOING ON AND THERE'S NO RAILS. RIGHT. SO THEN THAT BEGS THE QUESTION, CAN THEY GO THERE IF THEY WERE NEVER THERE TO BEGIN WITH? I DON'T KNOW. WELL, YEAH, THEY GO THERE. WHAT HE DOING? IF HE NEEDS TO BE AADA A COMPLIANT THEN HE'S GONNA HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING THERE FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. YEAH. FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE THAT ESPECIALLY THERE'S CONVALESCENCE. HOLD ON TO, IS IT, IS IT EVEN ATTACHED TO THE REST OF THE PORCH? IT, IT'S, IT DOES NOT APPEARS IT'S ATTACHED TO THE OKAY. AND IT IS NOT LEVEL AND WE DON'T KNOW AND IT'S BEEN INSTALLED PROPERLY. I THINK HE STILL WOULD NEED TO, AFTER YOU APPROVE MATERIALS, I THINK IT STILL NEED TO GO TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. OH YEAH. WELL EVEN JUST LIKE THE LOOK OF IT, IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK, I MEAN THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING I GUESS, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT MATCHES THE HOUSE. WELL BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LINE UP WITH THAT ONE COLUMN THERE THAT IT'S JUST RIGHT THROWN OFF. IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IT COULD HAVE, WELL I GUESS NOT WITH THE, IT COULD HAVE BEEN ATTACHED TO THAT COLUMN AND COME OUT FROM IT, BUT MAYBE NOT BECAUSE OF THE, THE WAY THE STAIRS ARE DONE. UM, BUT IT ALSO LOOKS TOO HIGH TO EVEN BE A RAILING. CAN YOU IMAGINE PUSHING SOMEONE DOWN? IT WOULD BE FINE. I CAN'T IMAGINE PUSHING OFF OR DOWN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, , THAT JUST DOESN'T STEEP. YEAH, I CAN, I'M JUST VISUALIZING 20 GETS TO THE BOTTOM. SO THIS IS WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING AND THIS IS JUST, IT'S TOO STEEP OF A SLOPE. YEAH. SO THE THE YES, AN ACTUAL WHEELCHAIR RAMP WOULD NEED TO COME OUT. IT WOULD NEED TO BE EXTENDED. YES. PROBABLY CLOSER TO WHERE THAT GATE IS. MM-HMM. FOR IT TO BE A, I THINK FOR A DA COMPLIANCE IT'S GOTTA BE LESS THAN LIKE TWO DEGREES. YEAH. IT HAS TO BE GRADED PROPERLY. THAT'S NOT GRADED PROPERLY. SO THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT EVEN GET THROUGH LICENSURE. BUT ANYWAY. WELL I MEAN THAT JUST BEGS THE QUESTION OF IS THAT THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THIS TO BE HAPPENING THERE? I MEAN, ARE WE ABLE TO SAY, YES, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THIS? I MEAN, OUR JOB IS TO PRESERVE THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF THE HOME. SO IF THINGS START HAPPENING ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE THAT AREN'T IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC OF THE HOME, ARE WE DOING OUR JOB? SO DETRACT FROM THE TURN AND THE AESTHETIC OF IT? YEAH. SO, BUT AS A HOMEOWNER, IF YOU NEEDED RAILINGS ON YOUR HOUSE TO GET IN SAFELY, NOW YES WE CAN SAVE MATERIALS AND STUFF, BUT A DIFFICULT TIME SAYING YOU NEED TO MOVE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, PUT YOURSELF IN THAT PLACE. YOU NEED TO MOVE BECAUSE NO, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE HANDRAILS. I STRUGGLE WITH THAT BECAUSE IF I PERSONALLY NEED THAT AT MY HOME, [00:30:01] I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THAT. NOW DO I HAVE TO MEET THE EXPECTATIONS? YES. BUT DOES HE ALREADY HAVE LIKE DISABLED PEOPLE LIVING THERE OR HE'S GOING TO, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US KNOW. NO, NO. HE, HE DID PUT AN APPLICATION IN TO, FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE TO OBTAIN A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR ASSISTED LIVING. THAT BUSINESS LICENSE HASN'T BEEN ISSUED. IT HAS NOT, IT WAS APPROVED BY ZONING APPROVAL, BUT HE HAS NOT OBTAINED IT FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. SO HE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING ANYONE THERE. BUT THIS BOARD IS NOT REGULATING USE OF THE PROPERTY. YOU GUYS ARE ONLY LOOKING AT MATERIALS AND MAKING SURE THE HANDRAIL LOOKS LIKE IT FITS THAT HOME. IT DOES. AND I AGREE THAT IT DOES. AND I, I'M FINE WITH SAYING MATERIALS NEED TO BE CHANGED. I WOULD JUST LIKE IT TO MATCH THE REST OF THE PORCH. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE TERRIBLY DIFFICULT. EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE RAIL A LITTLE HIGHER, IT COULD STILL MATCH THE, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE RAILING TO THE LEFT OF THE 3 0 3. LIKE WHY DOES IT NOT MATCH THAT TO LOOK A LITTLE MORE UNIFORM? OH YEAH. AND ACTUALLY THE, I THINK THE RAILING SHOULD BE SITTING ON TOP OF THAT CONCRETE PIECE. YES. NOT ON THE ACTUAL PORCH. WELL I JUST WENT THROUGH THIS WITH MINE AND I THINK IT, IT, MINE HAD TO COME ALL THE WAY UP ON THE PORCH. IT COULDN'T SIT ON THE TOP STEP TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CODE. YOU PUT ONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PORCH, DIDN'T IT? IT'S JUST, JUST LIKE IT USED TO BE. MM-HMM. BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT LOOKED KIND OF FUNNY AND THEY'RE LIKE, CAN'T YOUR OLD ONES ME RIGHT INTO THE CONCRETE, YOUR OLD ONES. YEAH. YEAH. BUT THE NEW PEOPLE SAID IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE CODE, IT HAD TO GO UP ON THE PORCH. IT COULD SIT ON THE CONCRETE STEPS. SO THAT MIGHT BE SO PERMANENTLY DISTRACTING FROM THE HOME. I MEAN, IN THEORY THOSE CAN BE REMOVED. SURE. YEAH. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY TAKE ANYTHING FROM THE HOUSE. I'M JUST SAYING WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ANSWERS FOR WE, WE NEED WELL YOU'VE GOT A SECOND. SO IN REALITY WE CALL READY. YEAH, YOU CAN JUST CALL VOTE. MR. VAUGHN . I'VE MADE THE MOTION THE TABLE VOTE AND SHE YOU SECONDED IT. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO WE STILL HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE. MR. VAUGHN? I, I VOTE THE TABLE WITH VICE CHAIRMAN RODIN. AYE. MS. SNYDER? AYE MS. AERS? SURE. ALRIGHT. WE HAVE TO HAVE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S LANGUAGE AND JUST THE WAY HE WROTE THE EMAIL TO HER, THERE'S STILL LANGUAGE WHERE THERE, I THINK IT'D BE BETTER TO HAVE HIM OR REPRESENTATIVE HERE. I THINK THAT'LL HELP. CLARITY. OH, UM, CAN I SEE THE AGENDA? SURE. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS TOWN? EMAILS. OKAY. SO, AND I THINK WE PUT THIS BACK ON BECAUSE YOU WERE ABSENT LAST TIME. SO, UM, WE HAVE PUT EMAILS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER ON THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WEBSITE. THERE'S A TAB ON THE SIDE THAT SAYS BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. IF ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WANTS TO REACH SOMEONE FROM THIS BOARD, THAT EMAIL, THEY CAN CLICK A GENERAL EMAIL LINK AND IT'LL GO TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU. IT'LL GO TO CONNIE AND MYSELF. AND THAT ENSURES THAT NO ONE PERSON GETS PUBLIC FEEDBACK OR INFORMATION THAT THE OTHERS AREN'T GETTING. IT JUST HELPS WITH TRANSPARENCY. THAT'S GOOD. UM, AND THEN TYPICALLY IF YOU, UM, I THINK WITH OTHER BOARDS, THE TOWN ATTORNEY HAS STATED THAT IT'S MOST APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO LIKE ADDRESS THE EMAIL PUBLICLY. DON'T NOT READ IT, BUT IF YOU WANNA COMMENT BACK, JUST COMMENT IN THIS SETTING. UM, AND I THINK THAT, UM, OTHER BOARDS KIND OF CHOOSE TO, IF THEY WANT TO JUST SAY RECEIVED, THAT'S FINE. BUT TYPICALLY THEY DON'T GO INTO LENGTHY, DON'T CORRESPOND CORRESPONDENCE WITH IT'S JUST A OKAY. RECEIVED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. AND THEN YOU CAN ADDRESS IT IN A PUBLIC MEETING AND YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN A TOWN EMAIL. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED IT. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN, 'CAUSE IT USUALLY USES THE PERSONAL EMAIL. [00:35:02] EVERYBODY HAS THEIR TOWN EMAIL. BUT HEY, I, I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS UNTIL RECENTLY THAT WE HAD TOWN EMAIL. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ASK AND YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN EMAIL FROM OUR IT DEPARTMENT ON HOW TO DO THAT. UM, SO IF YOU HAVEN'T, I'LL LET HIM KNOW TOMORROW TO RESEND THAT TO YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL AND IT TELLS YOU HOW TO OKAY. I CAN JUST SEE IF CHARLES CAN COME TO THE NEXT BAR MEETING. NO. AND GET YOU ALL SET UP. OKAY, HERE'S WORK. YOU'RE, YOU'RE USING YOURS AND YOU'RE USING, ARE YOU USING YOUR TOWN EMAIL? NO. I THOUGHT IT BOUNCE BACK. I THINK I, SO I THINK I SAW THE BOUNCE SAC IN MY PERSONAL EMAIL. I GOT IT. YEAH. AND I WAS LIKE, WAIT, THIS IS WEIRD. SWEETING BRING WHATEVER DEVICE YOU WANNA ACCESS THAT EMAIL ON IT'S OUTLOOK AND I'LL HAVE IT HERE, SEE IF HE'S AVAILABLE AND GET YOU GUYS ALL SET UP. BECAUSE WHAT'S GONNA ALSO HAPPEN IS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE SENDING OUT PRINTED PACKETS. MM-HMM. IT WILL START ALL LIKE BEING DIGITAL COMPLETELY. WELL THAT THEY'RE ALL THAT WAY NOW EXCEPT FOR DOING, 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET A HOLD OF YOU DIGITALLY. BUT, BUT, BUT WE WANT YOU TO USE YOUR TOWN EMAILS ONLY SO THAT YOUR PERSONAL, YOU'RE NOT HAVING ANY, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING SENT TO YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL. YOU DON'T WANNA MIX YOUR PERSONAL WITH ANYTHING THAT'S VOIDABLE. YEAH. IT'S JUST, IT'S SAFER THAT WAY. AND WE DO RIGHT NOW HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS FOR MARCH. SO WE'LL HAVE THE TWO AND THEN THIS ONE AGAIN. SO THERE WILL BE A MARCH MEETING. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE, LIKE ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE WITH THOSE? UM, JOHN, WHAT WAS THOSE YOU WERE TELLING ME TODAY? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID. UH, THE FIRST ONE WILL BE, UH, UH, THE FORMER SOUTHERN STATES EVER GROW. MM-HMM. , UH, THEY INSTALLED A WINDOW SIGN ACCORDING TO OUR INTERPRETATION ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AT THE DOORS. A WINDOW SIGN CAN ONLY BE 25% OF THE WINDOW AREA. THEY CHOSE NOT TO APPEAL THAT DECISION TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. THEY HAVE SUBMITTED A SIGN APPLICATION, UH, FOR THAT AND PART OF THE SIGN GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC DISTRICT, YOU CAN, UH, APPROVE SIGNS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT, UH, CAN BE A, A LARGER AREA THAN THE SIGN ORDINANCE ALLOWS AND THE, UH, CONTENT OF THAT. UH, SO THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICATION THERE IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE BY THAT IN THE MEANTIME, IT'S THERE AT THE OPENING OF THE BUSINESS. MM-HMM. , THEY, UH, IN OUR INTERPRETATION, THEY INSTALLED THAT ON THE COMPLETE WINDOW DOOR AREA. SO THEY CHOSE TO PUT AN APPLICATION IN TO PRESENT THAT TO THE BAR. AND WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? UH, THE OTHER ONE IS ON A, UH, HOUSE THAT, UH OH HAS, UM, VINYL SIDING INSTALLED PRIOR TO COMING WITH AN APPLICATION DOWN WALL. IS THAT MM-HMM. . OKAY. WHERE, WHERE'S THAT STONE STONEWALL? OVER BY THE CHEVY DEALERSHIP. VALLEY STREET. LIKE STONEWALL AND STONE? YEAH. THEY'VE COME HERE BEFORE FOR LIKE THE DOORS AND WINDOWS. IT WAS WHEN I WAS ON THE BAR. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. WE GAVE PERMISSION TO THE DOORS ON THE BACKSIDE, RIGHT? YEP. YEP. AND THEN WINDOWS, THE HOUSE WAS REALLY FALLING DOWN, RIGHT? YEAH. I THINK THEY'VE, I THINK THEY'VE DONE LIKE REPAIRS TO THE INSIDE WORKING ON THE DOOR. THE DOOR THAT WE DID WAS ONE THAT HAD BEEN CUT LATER IN TIME. IT WASN'T. YEAH. YEAH. BUT I THINK ON THE FRONT WE REQUIRED THEM TO KEEP WITH THE WOOD. RIGHT. I KNOW WHICH HOUSE YOU CALL BACK AND THEN THE SIDE DOOR IN THE BACK IS WHERE WE ALLOWED THEM TO DO LIKE A METAL DOOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. 'CAUSE I, I REMEMBER THAT. I REMEMBER THAT. YEAH. THERE WAS AND IT WAS UM, THAT DOOR HAD BEEN CUT IN YEARS LATER. YEAH. BEFORE, BEFORE THIS BOARD EXISTED. MM-HMM. . YEAH. YEAH. IT WAS 2019. IT WAS LIKE NOVEMBER, 2019. THEY PUT VINYL ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THEY PUT VINYL OVER THE ENTIRE HOUSE. IT'S DONE AFTER THEY PAINTED IT. THE PAIN WAS BLUE BUT IT WAS NICE PAINT JOB. MM-HMM. . IS THERE ANY MOVEMENT ON THE BLUE RIDGE PROSPECT HOME THAT'S LITERALLY FALLING DOWN? AS OF WHAT? THIS WEEK? I SAW SOME KIDS COMING OUT OF IT RECENTLY. YEAH. THE HOUSE THAT CAUGHT ON FIRE. YOU'RE AND THE, THE SIDE ROOF HAS NOW CRASHED DOWN. YEAH, IT HAS CRASHED. YEAH. AND I MEAN THERE ARE PEOPLE COMING AND GOING FROM IT ALL THE TAPE IS BLOWING IN THE WIND SO THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NO CONSTANT TAPE AT ALL ANYWHERE. I DON'T THINK GROUND. UH, DO WE KNOW STATUS OF THE INSURANCE? SORT OF. UM, I DID CALL AND SPEAK TO ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WAS, THAT WORKS FOR WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE AND UM, HE SAID THAT THE [00:40:01] INVESTIGATION WAS NOT CLOSED YET. BUT THAT INSURANCE IS INVOLVED. SO THERE IS AN INSURANCE COMPANY INVOLVED AND WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE STILL HAVEN'T CLOSED THEIR CASE YET. OKAY. WE'LL UM, WE HAVE A MEETING ON THURSDAY. UH, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT THURSDAY. UH, WITH THE PROPER STEPS SINCE THE INSURANCE IS NOT CLOSED, UH, THE CASE IS NOT CLOSED WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANY. UM, UH, WITH THAT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO I THINK PROBABLY I MADE THAT AND WE COULD GET AN UPDATE ON THAT. THAT WOULD PROBABLY HELP US ON THE DECISION ON THURSDAY. OKAY. UM, AND WE CAN REACH OUT TO UH, FIRE AND RESCUE. I GET A MONICA, WE GET A MONICA DO THAT TOMORROW. IT'S JUST NOT SECURE AT ALL. AND JUST SEEING KIDS COME OUT OF THERE, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE PLAYING AROUND BE GOING IN THERE. YEAH. AND JUST LITERALLY I THINK IT WAS LIKE THE DAY AFTER DAYS AFTER THAT I SAW THAT THE SIDE ROOF HAD FALLEN. IT'S LIKE YEAH. THEY DON'T REALIZE THE DANGER THEY'RE PUTTING THEMSELVES IN. YEAH. ONE OF THOSE BEAMS HAD SOME MM-HMM. IT'S SUCH A SHAME BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL HOME. YEAH. IT'S STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION. UH, WE'LL WE'LL TRY TO GET AN ANSWER ON THURSDAY AT LEAST TO MAKE SECURE, LIKE SECURE THE HOLES ON THE FIRST FLOOR. I MEAN THE WINDOW AND DOOR OPENING SO KIDS CAN'T GO IN THERE WOULD BE GREAT. BUT I THINK YOU'D NEED TO HAVE, I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO PUT LIKE A FENCE AROUND IT. 'CAUSE THAT'S THE BEST THING TO DO. DON'T KNOW HOW YOU, THE COMPANY HASN'T DONE THAT. I WOULDN'T EVEN SAT FOOT ON THE PORCH AND I MEAN FALL THROUGH. HUH. BUT AS A KID I PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE AFRAID. , YOU DON'T SEE THE DANGER IN IT, SO, OKAY. BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEND AN EMAIL, UH OKAY. YOU START THE PROCESS BY SENDING AN EMAIL TO US WAS ON CERTAIN PART OF THE CODE, IT REQUIRES THAT. OKAY. YEAH. GOT IT. SO I JUST UNDERSTOOD, PUT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION ON THE PATH THAT WE NEED TO TAKE. MM-HMM. . OKAY. THAT WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN, WE NEED TO RECEIVE THAT FEEDBACK ABOUT THE SITUATION. THAT WOULD BE THE OKAY. PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE FOR EVERYBODY TO TAKE. OKAY. GOT IT. EVEN THOUGH SOME THINGS SOMETIMES ARE OBVIOUS. UNDERSTOOD. ANYTHING ELSE? CAN I JUST SAY THAT? SO THE APPLICANT FROM TODAY'S CASE, UM, I WAS LOOKING AT THE LETTERHEAD BECAUSE IT SAYS IT'S THAT HE'S A PRIEST UNDER THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF ARLINGTON. AND I CALLED THE DIOCESE TO JUST SEE BECAUSE IT LOOKED VERY UNOFFICIAL AND THEY SAID HE'S NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE DIOCESE AT ALL AND IS ASKED TO BE, AND THEY DENIED HIM MULTIPLE TIMES AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN EVEN SURE IF HE'S REALLY A PRIEST. THEY SAID THEY'VE TRIED TO CONTACT THE BISHOP OF THE COUNTRY HE'S FROM AND THEY'VE GOTTEN NO RESPONSE AND HE WILL NOT PROVIDE ANY SORT OF LETTER PROVING THAT HE'S IN GOOD STANDING. THAT HE DID . YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DOES, IF THAT LIKE CALLS, YOU KNOW, SOME CREDIBILITY IN QUESTION AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT HE'S DOING. IT'S A LITTLE SKETCHY ASIDE FROM THE LANGUAGE BARRIER. AND I MEAN IT SOUNDS LIKE IT A NICE IDEA TO HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, ASSISTED LIVING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT HE'S CALLING HIMSELF CATHOLIC AND THERE WOULD BE RECORD. DON'T PROOF THAT HE IS, IT'S KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW, IMPERSONATION I BEEN, I OKAY. AND YOU ALREADY CALLED. I TALKED TO THE DIOCESE JUST TO VERIFY 'CAUSE IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE. I USED TO WORK FOR THE DIOCESE AND I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT ORDER. IT JUST WAS VERY ODD. AND THEY SAID THAT'S INTERESTING. YEAH. IT'S UM, YEAH, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT AWARD EITHER. AND THEY, THEY WERE GLAD THAT I HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY HADN'T HEARD FROM HIM, FROM HIM IN A LITTLE BIT. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY COUPLE YEARS HE COMES OUT OF THE WOODWORK AND LIKE TRIES TO DO SOMETHING AND I JUST WASN'T SURE HOW PERTINENT IT WAS TO LIKE APPROVING MATERIALS, BUT IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, A CREDIBILITY THING. SURE. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THAT'S KIND OF WHY I WANTED TO KNOW WHO WOULD FOLLOW UP TO MAKE SURE IF WE APPROVED THINGS, I'M STILL LEARNING . YEAH. WHAT IS THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THEY GET DONE RIGHT THE RIGHT WAY? COA IS ISSUED. LIKE IF WE THEN WERE TO RECEIVE A COMPLAINER, IF WE CATCH THAT NOT FOLLOWING THAT COA AND FOLLOWING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IT, IT'S A VIOLATION AT THAT POINT. WE, WE DECIDE ON. YEAH. IT'S JUST A WHOLE LOT MORE DIFFICULT TO GO BACK. WELL, I MEAN MAYBE NOT Y'ALL DID [00:45:01] IT BEFORE MY TIME TO MAKE SOMEBODY UNDO SOMETHING. THEY TOOK A WHILE, BUT YEAH, WE GOT THAT ROOF UNDO. YES YOU DID. AND IT LOOKED GOOD. YES. ABSOLUTELY. THE ONLY THING IS, IS LIKE NORMALLY SOME KIND OF CHURCH IS THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE CHURCH AND THIS IS OWNED BY HIM RIGHT UP ON THE GIS IT'S, IT'S OWNED BY HIM. SO THIS WAS HIS MONEY THAT HE PUT INTO THIS HOUSE. NOT, NOT COMING FROM LIKE SOME, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZATION MAKING AN ASSUMPTION ONLY IS THAT, HE PROBABLY THINKS IT LOOKS MORE PROFESSIONAL COMING FROM THAT, BUT IT'S, TO US IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUT LEGALLY, LIKE IT'S IN HIS NAME. SURE. YEAH. WELL AND LEGALLY YOU CAN'T PUT YOUR NAME ON SOMETHING. YOU'RE NOT, WE SHOULDN'T. RIGHT. BUT SO HE, BUT HE BOUGHT IT. IT'S NOT, IT WASN'T PURCHASED BY THE CHURCH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO IT'S, IT'S HIS, ANY IDEA WHAT WE MIGHT HEAR FROM HIM? UM, EITHER MY JOHN OR MYSELF WILL, YOU KNOW, AND LET HIM KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT Y'ALL DETERMINE TONIGHT AND THEN TELL HE OR REPRESENTATIVE COULD BE PRESENT. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD. SO IS THERE ROOM ON THE AGENDA FOR MARCH? OH YEAH. YEAH. WE'LL PUT IT ON THERE. MM-HMM. , I MEAN, SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE AT WHAT POINT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HE'S GONNA BE IN AFRICA TILL DECEMBER SO THEN YOU KNOW AT WHAT POINT AND THAT IS POSSIBLE. YES, I KNOW. SO AT WHAT POINT DO WE, WELL DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY THEN TO THE, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE IS ON THE RAILING? MM-HMM. . YEAH. OKAY. HE, HE INSTALLED A RAILING WITHOUT A ZONING PERMIT OR A BUILDING PERMIT. SO ONCE HE PUTS AN APPLICATION IN WHICH HE HAS, YES. SO WE PROBABLY WON'T PURSUE THE VIOLATION ON THE RAILING BECAUSE HE HAS MADE APPLICATION TO FIX IT. UH, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE IF THERE'S A, IT SHOULD GIVE HIM REASONABLE TIME TO FIX IT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN FIX IT? UH, THE RAILING WAS NOT INSTALLED WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT. RIGHT. BUT IF HE BUT YOU ALL WOULD NEED A VOTE ON THAT BEFORE HE COULD DO ANYTHING WITH THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, GETTING A BUILDING PERMIT, YOU ALL ARE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT FOR THE RAILING. SO IF HE'S NOT HERE AND YOU COULD MAYBE GO AHEAD AND DETERMINE HOW YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THAT NEXT MONTH. TABLING. THIS DOESN'T LOCK US IN FOREVER. NO, NO. MM-HMM. OKAY. NO, I'M GOOD. BUT THAT, AND WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE THE DECK BECAUSE THEN THAT WILL BE A VIOLATION IF, 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A DECK PERMIT. AND THAT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A COUNTY PERMIT DECK. ONE OF THOSE DECKS WAS PUT ON OUR PREVIOUS CENTER. WELL I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU ALL TOOK THOSE PICTURES, BUT IT'S BEEN PUT ON SINCE THOSE PICTURES WERE TAKEN. OH, ELLEN'S NOVEMBER. YES. THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE. YEAH. AT LEAST THERE WAS LIKE A FLOATING DECK ON THE OTHER SIDE. LEFT TO THE LEFT OF THAT. HOW OLD ARE THOSE PICTURES? HEY, THERE'S A WEBSITE HERE. THOSE PICTURE RIGHT THERE. 2023 AND PART OF IT IS VERY LIKE, VERY PROFESSIONAL. NOVEMBER OF 2023. MM-HMM. . YES. PROBABLY SOME COPY THREE MONTHS OR MAYBE GRAMMARLY. YEAH. THAT DECK'S BEEN THERE A WHILE. IT'S NOT IN THOSE PICTURES FROM NOVEMBER OF 2023. YEAH, IT COULD BE COPY PASTED FROM SOME OTHER. YOU SURE? BECAUSE, UH, MICHAEL GREEN HAD PUT THAT DECK ON HE, AND HE WAS AN OWNER. GO BACK TO WHERE YOU, WE CAN SEE THOSE PICTURES FROM SIDE. JOHN YOU WANT, THERE'S BEEN A PREVIOUS CENTER BEFORE THIS ONE THEN GREEN AND THAT WAS THE ONE OF THE GREEN. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PERMITS FOR A DECK. SO IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO PUT IT ON, WHOEVER PUT IT ON, THOSE ARE THE CURRENT PICTURES TO ENFORCEMENT TAKEN. THIS IS AT THE PROSPECT SIDE. DID YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, AREN'T YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE? YEAH. SIDE SIDE WHERE THEY WANNA PUT THE PARKING LOT, THE WOOD SIDE THAT DECK PUT UP IN. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE WAS, IT'S AN OLD PICTURE THOUGH FROM FIVE MONTHS AGO. THAT PICTURE? WELL NO, THAT'S FROM THAT ONE RAILING. THAT IS FROM UM, UH, SEPTEMBER I BELIEVE. SO YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL FROM THIS ANGLE THOUGH. ELLA CAN'T SEE IT. IF YOU SCOOCH DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT IN SEPTEMBER, THAT PORCH OR THAT DECK WAS THERE. YEAH, I'M TELLING YOU THAT WAS THERE IN ABOUT 2000. OKAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A DECK BACK IN BACK BY THE YEAH, BECAUSE I LOOKED OUTBUILDING BACK THERE. THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAYING RIGHT THERE. THAT'S THE DECK. THE ONLY PERMIT WAS FOR A FENCE. OKAY, BUT WHEN WAS THIS TAKEN? BECAUSE ONLY ONE OF THOSE RAILINGS IS UP IN THIS PICTURE AND THAT RAMP ISN'T THERE EITHER. THIS IS SEPTEMBER, 2023. SO THEY CONTINUED WORKING AFTER THEY WERE CITED. IT MIGHT HAVE, MIGHT HAVE BEEN CAUGHT YET THERE. LEMME LOOK IN THE STAFF REPORT. WHY WAS THE PICTURE TAKEN WHEN THAT PICTURE WAS THERE? THAT'S A GOOGLE IS THIS IS GOOGLE. OH, OKAY. OKAY. SEPTEMBER, 2023. UM, THAT WAS TAKEN FROM GOOGLE MAPS PICTURE [00:50:01] AND ONE OF THOSE RAILINGS IS UP IN THIS BUT NOT THE OTHER ONE AND NOT THE RAMP. THAT'S INTERESTING. THERE IS A PICTURE IN YOUR PACKET THAT SHOWS THAT DECK IN THE BACK. OH, THERE I DIDN'T EVEN, I'M PAGE THREE OF THE STAFF REPORT. YOU CAN SEE IT. I TRY NOT TO INCLUDE THE DEBRIS IN THE FRONT OR PRESENTATION THIS EVENING. OH YEAH, YOU SURE CAN. ACTUALLY FOR QUITE A WHILE THERE'S BEEN A HOLE IN THAT FRONT PORCH RIGHT OUT SOON HE WENT UP THOSE STAIRS. THAT'S WHY THERE NOW YOU JUST KNOW EVERYTHING. WELL, I WALK BY IT ALL TIME . I WALK BY IT EVERY DAY. I REMEMBER I USED TO SEE YOU OUT MY WINDOW. SEE HIM OUT MY WINDOW TOO. . YEAH. Y'ALL WON'T FIND SOMETIMES I RUN OUT THERE AND I SOMETIMES I WALK OUT, HEY, MAKE SURE YOU COME TO THE MEETING. SAY, HEY, THERE'S A MEETING. YEP. AND UM, THERE ARE NO ZONING PERMITS THAT HAVE EVER BEEN ISSUED FOR THAT. SO WHETHER WHO, WHOEVER BUILT IT, THERE'S NO PERMITS, BUT IT'S SAFE TO ASSUME THAT DECK WAS GO ABOUT TWO TH ABOUT 2000. I'M JUST, YEAH, AND IT'S NOT IN OUR SYSTEM. BUT ONCE IT CHANGES HANDS, IS IT JUST IT IT'S FINE TO HAVE IT. HOW DOES THAT WORK? YOU CAN'T, WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY IS THE ONE THAT GETS THE VIOLATION. YEAH. WHETHER THEY PUT IT IN OR NOT. ONCE THEY CAN'T JUST SAY, OH SOMEBODY RESPONSIBLE. NO, WE DON'T CHARGE 'EM DOUBLE LIKE WE DO FOR A CURRENT OWNER PUTTING SOMETHING BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T BECAUSE THEY INHERITED IT WASN'T THERE. THEY INHERITED THE PROBLEM BUT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO THEN GET ZONING PERMITS CAN COUNTY PERMIT. SO WE'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW. THAT'S SO INTERESTING. HANG THIS AND I AM CURIOUS WHERE THE STONES ARE GOING TO GO UNDER THE HOUSE. YEAH. WE JUST GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS. SO HOPEFULLY HE'LL COME BACK FROM AFRICA AND MM-HMM. . HE'S VERY, VERY HARD TO REACH. SO. WELL IF HE REALLY WANTS THIS DONE, I ASSUME HE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO COMMUNICATE. I HOPE SO. OR IF YOU WANNA OPEN A BUSINESS. BUT REGARDLESS WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS FOR MARCH. FOR MARCH. YEAH. TWO NEW APPLICATIONS WILL DEFINITELY HAVE A MEETING. SO WE'LL HAVE A MEETING MARCH 12TH. I WILL NOT BE HERE FOR THE APRIL MEETING. OKAY. BUT MARCH IS FINE. ARE YOU READY TO ADJOURN US? IF NOBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE, WE CAN ADJOURN. WHO'S MOVING TO ADJOURN? WHO'S MAKING A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.