* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Town Council Work Session on February 5, 2024.] [00:00:15] TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE WORK SESSION HERE WITH THE COUNCIL. UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH SOME PRIVATE CITIZENS FOR ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF NOW. MOST OF THOSE ARE, UH, GENTLEMEN WHO ARE IN THE SONS OF AMERICAN REVOLUTION. OKAY. AND WE HAD KIND, KIND OF BEEN BANNERING AROUND SOME IDEAS OF WHAT WE COULD DO FOR THE COMMEMORATION OF THE TWO 50TH. UH, THE STATE HAS AN INITIATIVE, IT'S CALLED, UH, VIRGINIA TWO 50TH, UH, REVOLUTION OF IDEAS. AND, UH, THEY HAVE A GRANT PROGRAM. AND, UM, SINCE WE HAVE HIRED A TOURISM MANAGER, LESLIE BOWERS, SHE HAS ASSISTED US WITH, UH, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER A GRANT. SHE PUT TOGETHER A GRANT AND, UM, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A GRANITE BENCH THAT WILL HAVE THE, ALL OF THE NAMES OF THE, OF THE CONFEDERATE, NO . SO I KEEP SAYING CIVIL, THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR SOLDIERS ON THE BACK OF THE BENCH. UH, THOSE WHO ARE BURIED HERE IN WARREN COUNTY, IN THE TOWN FRONT ROW. OKAY. UM, WE ARE GOING TO, UH, RELOCATE. OUR PROPOSAL IS TO RELOCATE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR DAR MONUMENT THAT'S CURRENTLY IN, CURRENTLY IN THE CORNER. IT'S SURROUNDED BY THE LITTLE BUSHES AND HEDGES. AND WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT ON ONE SIDE OF THIS, UH, THE BENCH. AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE ARE GOING TO RELOCATE THE BASE MONUMENT OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL WOKE THAT NOW SITS BEHIND THE GOVERNMENT CENTER. OKAY. MM-HMM. , THE CONSTITUTIONAL WOKE DIED A FEW YEARS AGO, AND WE HAD IT TOOK DOWN. SO, UH, WE ARE GOING, WE ARE PROPOSING A PLAQUE FOR THAT, A NEW PLAQUE THAT WILL HAVE, UH, WE JUST, WE'VE KIND OF DISCUSSED HAVING AN IMAGE OF DR. JOSEPH WARREN IN THE CENTER OF IT. AND THEN HAVING LOGOS OF ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS. AND WHEN I SAY STAKEHOLDERS, I'M SAYING THE COUNTY, HOPEFULLY THE TOWN WILL, WILL LIKE TO PARTICIPATE. UH, DR. JOSEPH WARREN FOUNDATION HAS, UH, EXPRESSED INTEREST, UM, SONS OF AMERICAN REVOLUTION. AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, THE VTC VIRGINIA IS FOR LOVERS AND THE, THAT WHOLE, UH, INITIATIVE THAT THE STATE IS HAVING. SO WE'RE HOPING TO KIND OF HAVE THAT ON THE PLAQUE. UM, AND THEN BEHIND THE BENCH ITSELF, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAD TO GET TO THE BAR, IS WE'RE PROPOSING A, A BRICK SIDEWALK SO THAT IT CAN BE HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE. PEOPLE CAN GO AND READ THE NAMES ON IT. THAT WAS THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THAT. UH, THE BAR RULED IN OUR FAVOR. UM, BUT THEY REQUESTED IN LIEU OF, UM, USING GRAVEL UNDERNEATH THE PAVERS, THEY WANT TO HAVE, UM, UH, CONCRETE FOUNDATION. OKAY. SO WE, THAT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE. UM, THE COUNTY HAS, UH, AGREED TO THE INSTALLATION OF IT, UH, USING OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND THE MATERIALS THAT ARE NECESSARY. AND IT COMES TO ABOUT $3,200. WE, WE CALCULATED, UH, AND WE'LL BE PUTTING THAT IN, HAVING OUR FOLKS PUT IT IN. WE'VE MET WITH, UH, JUDGE HUFF, UH, JUDGE HUB, JUDGE FUNK, AND, UH, ANGIE MOORE. AND THEY HAVE AGREED THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD, UH, REALLY WORK WELL WITH THE COURTHOUSE GROUNDS. SO WE, WE HAVE THEM ON BOARD. UM, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE GRANT. UH, WE'VE GOT IT SUBMITTED. WE'RE HOPING MAYBE AT THE END OF FEBRUARY, MARCH WE'LL BE SEEING THAT AND HAVING THOSE FUNDS. UH, THE SON OF AMERICAN REVOLUTION HAVE A, UH, A FUND THAT THEY CAN DRAW FROM. AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN GIVEN $2,000. AND THAT $2,000 WILL ACTUALLY COVER THE COST OF THE BENCH ITSELF. THERE'LL BE SOME ADDITIONAL COST IN ENGRAVING. SO, UH, WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT GRANT MONEY WILL COVER THAT COST. UH, WE JUST, THE FACT THAT THIS IS IN THE COURTHOUSE GROUNDS, IT'S IN YOUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. FRONT ROYAL WAS INCORPORATED WELL BEFORE WARREN COUNTY WAS FOUNDED. SO WE VERY WELL COULD HAVE HAD MANY OF THOSE SOLDIERS WHO IDENTIFIED MORE WITH, WELL, THEY WOULD'VE HAD TO IDENTIFY WITH EITHER NEWTOWN OR TRUMP ROYAL. UH, AND MAYBE EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW WHERE THE, THE ROYAL OAK WAS, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW. BUT, [00:05:01] UH, SO IT JUST KIND OF MADE SENSE FOR US TO REACH OUT TO YOU. AND, YOU KNOW, IT JUST HELPS OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, FOR THIS. AND, UH, BASICALLY WE HOPE THAT IT WILL BE A NICE FOCAL POINT FOR THE COURTHOUSE GROUNDS AND, AND A NICE ADDITION TO YOUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER 'EM. AND, UH, APPRECIATE, AGAIN, APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING ME TO COME AND PRESENT THIS TO YOU. I'M GONNA USE THE SAME TYPE BRICKS THAT ARE OUT HERE NOW, THE SAME BRICKS. WE'LL USE THE, USE THOSE, THEY'LL REPLICATE WHAT YOU SEE ON YOUR SIDEWALK. NOW, UM, WE DO HAVE A PROPOSAL TO, UH, DO WELL THE, THE LIKE SELL, UH, BRICKS WHERE YOU CAN HAVE YOUR NAMES PUT IN, THAT KIND OF THING. UM, I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL OBVIOUSLY PUT THE BRICKS DOWN FIRST, AND AS WE GET THAT DONE AND THOSE KIND OF IN KIND CONTRIBUTIONS, THEN WE'LL JUST REPLACE THEM AS AS TIME GOES ON. SO, UH, MAYBE WE'LL BE BACK TO YOU TO GET A DONATION FOR A BRICK, UH, OR TWO. UH, BUT IN ANY CASE, UH, WE HOPE IT'LL BE A MORTAR, THEN THEY'LL JUST BE SETTING, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. I THINK THEY'LL BE NICE. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE IN MORTAR 'CAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THAT . NO, NO. IT, IT, AND IT'S VERY, IT'LL, WE'RE HOPING TO REPLICATE EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE. IT'S JUST A NICE TIGHT FIT THAT YOU HAVE ON THE SIDEWALK OUT THERE. AND IT, IT REALLY OFFSETS THE, THE, THE, UH, COURTHOUSE GROUNDS. WELL, SO, UM, WE ALSO, PART OF THIS IS ALSO WE'RE GONNA DO A RACK CARD. UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT DESIGN, WE'VE GOT SOME IDEAS FOR IT NOW. AND, UH, AGAIN, AS KIND OF A PARTNER STAKEHOLDER, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT WE COULD USE THE TOWN LOGO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, YOU KNOW. AND, UH, AGAIN, WE WOULD DIRECT PEOPLE TO, UH, PLACES OF SIGNIFICANCE BOTH HERE IN THE TOWN AND IN THE COUNTY, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR FOLKS COMING AND VISITING. SO, UM, AND THEN, YEAH. AND THAT'S REALLY ABOUT IT. UH, WE, YOU KNOW, THE SAR DOES HAVE A PO UH, UH, HISTORICAL BROCHURE. I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE GONNA GET, HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING TO DO THAT, BUT WE, WE WILL DEFINITELY ARE GONNA BE WORKING ON THE LITTLE HANDOUT, THE BROCHURE THAT CAN BE HANDED OUT. AND BE GLAD TO WORK WITH, UH, YOUR, UH, TOURISM MANAGER AND, AND YOUR FOLKS DOWN THERE. UH, LIZZIE, I THINK, IS THAT LIZZIE? YEAH, LIZZIE. UH, SHE'S SITTING OVER THERE. OKAY. OKAY. HI . UM, SO, UM, YEAH, IT, THIS COULD JUST BE A REALLY GOOD PARTNERSHIP, I THINK, AND FOR, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY A VERY SMALL AMOUNT. THANK YOU. DO ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OR, SO IS, I'M ASSUMING NO ONE HAS ANY OBJECTIONS TO US PLACING THIS ON THE FEBRUARY 26TH AGENDA. TAKE ACTION. OKAY. AND WE ALREADY HAVE THE RESOLUTION IN HERE, RIGHT? WONDERFUL. NO, WELL, THAT, THAT'S FOR SOME, YOU HAVE THEIRS. GOTCHA. YEAH, THAT, THAT WAS OUR RES RESOLUTION. WE COULD START, WE HOPEFULLY, CAN YOU USE US PLANNERS? DO THOSE? YES, YES. YEAH. SO I'LL WORK WITH LAUREN IF SHE NEEDS ANY, UH, A TEMPLATE OR ANYTHING. OKAY. I'D BE GLAD TO WORK WITH HER. OKAY. DID WE, UM, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I THINK WE ARE, WE, I THINK, IS THERE A QUESTION I THINK THAT'LL BE ROLLED INTO? YEAH. UM, THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO CLARIFY IS, IS COUNSEL OKAY. WITH WAIVING THOSE $200 FEES FOR THIS APPLICATION? AND , I'M SORRY, I ASSUMED THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE. ABSOLUTELY. SO IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA TO WAIVE THAT? AND THEN ALSO ABOUT, AND WE WOULD PASS THE RESOLUTION THAT NIGHT IF COUNSEL SO CHOOSES. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, MATT. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA STAY AROUND, UH, UH, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OF US FOR THE CHURCH APPLICATION, I'LL BE GLAD TO HELP. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO B IS THE PURCHASE OF A UTILITY COMPACT OR ASPHALT ROLL ROLLER. UM, MS. CAMPBELL, I BELIEVE YOU'RE HERE AND YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE NEXT TWO ITEMS. SO YEAH. KNOCK YOU OUT WITH ONE . ALRIGHT. HELLO. HELLO. SO, UM, YEAH, I'M TO BE USED FOR THE UTILITY COMPACTOR ASPHALT ROLLER ROLLER, EXCUSE ME. UM, SO THE REQUEST WAS MADE IN PUBLIC WORKS TO REPLACE A 1987 ROLLER. UM, AND THE METHOD OF PROCUREMENT IS COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING, UH, CONTRACT THROUGH SOURCE WELL, AND WITH CATERPILLAR INCORPORATED. SO, UH, WE RECEIVED A QUOTE FROM CARTER MACHINERY COMPANY FOR $77,343. I DON'T, THIS IS A STRANGE QUESTION, BUT I'M GONNA ASK IT. ISN'T THERE A CARTER CAT IN WINCHESTER TOO? BUT MAYBE THEY'RE NOT. I I DON'T KNOW IF [00:10:01] ANYBODY ROBBIE WAS HERE, HE COULD PROBABLY TELL US. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THIS ARE, SO THIS WAS A SOURCE LOG CONTRACT. OH, OKAY. OKAY. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS COMPETITIVELY YOU BID ACROSS THE STATE PROBABLY. RIGHT. OKAY, I GOTCHA. I, I GUESS I WAS JUST ASKING, SO I'M ASSUMING LIKE THIS CARTER CAT, MAYBE IT'S LIKE A FRANCHISE WHERE LIKE THERE'S ONE IN , THERE'S ONE IN WINCHESTER. THAT'S ALL I WAS ASKING BECAUSE I WAS THINKING IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, IF IT WAS SOMETHING WHERE IT'S THE SAME COMPANY AND THEY WOULD GIVE THE SAME KIND OF PRICE, THEY'RE MORE LOCAL THAN CALL PEPPER, BUT WHATEVER, I AGREE THAT THEY WOULD THE SOURCE, YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ONE, IS THERE ONE IN WINCHESTER? THERE IS, THERE IS A QUARTER CAT IN WINCHESTER. THERE'S, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DO. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, UM, WELL, UM, 'CAUSE I KNEW, I KNOW SOMEBODY THAT USED TO WORK FOR 'EM OVER THERE. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I KNOW THERE WAS ONE IN WINCHESTER, BUT MAYBE THEY DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT ANYWAY, REGARDLESS, I CALL UP WITH DON AND SEE, I THINK THEY DO THE BIG EQUIPMENT. YEAH, THEY, YEAH. AND MAYBE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT MAY BE THAT THEY DON'T DO THEY, THEY GOT LEASE TO THAT, BUT THEY, THEY'RE PRODUCT, THEY'RE, UM, SERVICE DRIVEN FOR SENDING OUT MECHANIC. OKAY. THAT PARK. OH, OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WINCHESTER DOES MORE OF. OKAY. I JUST WAS THINKING THEY'RE, THEY'RE A BORDERING LOCALITY IF THERE WAS, BUT I DON'T WANNA MESS ANYTHING UP. YEAH, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CATERPILLAR DEALER THOUGH. I MEAN, YOU CAN GO IN THERE. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I, AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN I SAW CARTER MACHINERY AND I KNEW THERE WAS ONE IN WINCHESTER. I WAS THINKING WHY NOT GO WITH SOMETHING CLOSER? BUT IF IT'S, UM, A SOURCE, WELL CONTRACT, THEN WE GOTTA GO WITH THE, THE LOWEST BID. SO. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD DOUBT THAT WE PROBABLY NEED ONE AND TEENAGER. YEAH. YEP. UM, AND I KNOW WE'VE ASKED THIS BEFORE, IT'S SO OLD, WE PROBABLY CAN'T EVEN SELL IT. CAN WE? YOU KNOW HOW THEY HAVE, LIKE, LIKE BJ SAID BEFORE YOU, LIKE, WE PUT OUR OLD STUFF OUT ON SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE A, UM, WE'VE BEEN USING GOVERNMENT DEALS. UH, YEAH. AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN DOING REALLY WELL WITH THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VALUE OF THAT WOULD BE, BUT I DO BELIEVE WE PROBABLY WILL TRY TO. YEAH. MM-HMM. , I MEAN, IT IS 37 YEARS OLD. SECONDARY, I DON'T KNOW. THERE MIGHT, MIGHT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A PAVING ASPHALT ROLLER. RIGHT. LIKE, I'M JUST THINKING LIKE A PAVING COMPANY MAYBE WOULD STILL HAVE INTEREST IN IT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO NEXT UP IS THE PURCHASE OF A WHEEL LOADER AND, UM, A BUDGET, YOU KNOW, AN F 24 BUDGET REALLOCATION. YEAH. SO THIS, UM, IS A, UM, JOHN DEERE THAT'S GONNA BE REPLACING A 2002 WHEEL LOADER. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAD 7,200 HOURS ON IT. UM, THE METHOD OF PROCUREMENT AGAIN WAS COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING, UH, UTILIZING A SOURCE WELL CONTRACT BETWEEN, UM, WITH SOURCE WELL AND JOHN DEERE CONSTRUCTION. UM, SO STAFF GOT A QUOTE FROM JAMES RIVER EQUIPMENT OF STEVENSON, VIRGINIA FOR $212,516 AND 91 CENTS. THE DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY HAD 175,500, BUT BUDGETED FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WHEEL LOADER AND IS REQUESTING TO ALLOCATE $37,516 91 CENTS. UM, THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY, PREVIOUSLY SET ASIDE FOR THE ASPHALT ROLLER, WHICH CAME IN UNDER WHAT THEY HAD ANTICIPATED AND BUDGETED. THAT'S WAS NICE. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? NO, WE GOOD? WE GOOD? NO, THE REMAINING, THE REMAINING, UH, MONEY FROM THE, UH, PREVIOUS ITEMS GOING TO GET IT TOWARD, YOU MEAN TOWARD, TOWARD THE, THIS, THE, UM, WHEEL LOADER? NO, ON THE PREVIOUS SIDE. I'M, OH, YES. THE REMAINING MONEY FROM THAT, IT WAS LIKE 35,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IT WAS UNDER THAT AND UNDER ENOUGH FOR US TO TAKE SOME OF IT TO PAY ON THIS, RIGHT? YES. OH, THAT'S NICE. RIGHT. THAT'S GREAT. MIGHT WALK OUTTA THAT. . OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? 'CAUSE ALL OF THE, UH, ALL THREE OF THESE ITEMS WILL BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, WE ARE SO THREE A, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA, UM, PULL THAT ITEM FOR RIGHT NOW. UM, UH, WE, UH, AREN'T READY TO DISCUSS IT. MR. WILSON COULDN'T BE HERE THIS EVENING. SO WE WILL PUT THAT ON NEXT MONDAY NIGHT'S AGENDA. UM, AND THEN, UM, THE NEXT ITEM, UH, WHICH IS ITEM THREE B, IS ABOUT THE JOINT TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. I BELIEVE THAT I ALREADY SHARED THIS INFORMATION WITH YOU ALL, OR AT LEAST I FEEL LIKE I HAVE. UM, AND IT CAME OUT OF THE LIAISON, UH, COMMITTEE, [00:15:01] WHICH YOU ALL KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT MULTIPLE TIMES. BUT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A, UM, THE, UM, A TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, IT NEEDS TO BE A JOINT TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, AND IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL, UM, THAT COUNCIL APPROVES AS A, AND WE'RE CALLING IT A, A JOINT COMMITTEE. CORRECT. MR. SONNET NOT A SUBCOMMITTEE. IS IT A, BECAUSE WE CAN'T CALL IT A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE LIAISON BECAUSE LIAISON FLOATS. WELL, THE MEMBERSHIP FLOATS PRIMARILY, PRIMARILY TWO REASONS. ONE, THE, THE COMPOSITION OF THE CURRENT LIAISON COMMITTEE IS JUST FOUR. SO YOU'RE GONNA CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE AND YOU'RE STARTING WITH FOUR. UM, SO FOR PRACTICAL REASONS, THAT DOESN'T WORK. AND THE OTHER PROBLEM IS THE ROTATING NATURE OF THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE LIAISON COMMITTEE. UHHUH, YOU HAVE ONE MEMBER FROM EACH GOVERNING BODY THAT ROTATES. SO WHO WOULD BE ON THE COMMITTEE? UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE, EXCUSE ME. SO TWO PRACTICAL PROBLEMS. UM, IF THE LIAISON COMMITTEE WAS EXPANDED, IT COULD WORK. BUT IF, IN MY VIEW IT'S CLEANER JUST TO CREATE A NEW JOINT COMMITTEE AND THAT, AND THAT IS THE FED HAS ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE CLEARLY STATED PURPOSE. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LIAISON MEETING. SO THE COUNTY IS POISED TO DO THE SAME THING. UM, AND THEY'LL BE ESTABLISHING A JOINT COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE. SO IT'S GONNA, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE UM, THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE THAT, AND SO I'M ASSUMING WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE ON THE SAME EXACT NAME TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO IT WOULD BE THE JOINT, UM, TOWN COUNTY TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE. AND THEN, UM, IT WOULD MEET THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH, UM, EITHER AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER OR TOWN HALL. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD PROBABLY ROTATE, UM, JUST KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE DO WITH THE LIAISON MEETING TO, FIRST, LET ME ASK, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? SO WE COULD ACTUALLY PUT THIS ON THE FEBRUARY 26TH AGENDA TO BE ABLE TO, UM, ESTABLISH IT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I THINK SOMEONE NEEDED, WELL, WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT. YEAH. UNFORTUNATELY WE RAN INTO A BUNCH OF RED FLAG TAPE, UH, WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T MEMBERS OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE AS WE CALLED IT AT THE TIME. UM, BUT IT WAS EXTREMELY PRODUCTIVE IN THE SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE WERE ABLE TO WORK AND WE GATHERED A LOT OF NECESSARY INFORMATION. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, THAT, UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. IT'S JUST, UH, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A ROTATION OF LIKE, MEMBERS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME THAT OTHER MEMBERS COULD SERVE ON THIS. OKAY, WELL, TIME TO TIME. AND, AND WE CAN ALL TALK ABOUT THAT. I WILL SAY THAT I THINK THE DOWNSIDE OF THAT IS THAT WHEN YOU ARE ROTATING IT, THEN YOU KIND OF LACK CONSISTENCY. AND, AND EACH TIME YOU'RE, I MEAN, QUITE HONESTLY, WITH THE LIAISON MEETINGS, SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS. THE ONLY BENEFIT IS, UH, UH, WITH MYSELF AS THE MAYOR AND THE CHAIR NOW, AND THEIRS ROTATES EVERY YEAR. THEIR CHAIR DOESN'T ROTATE, BUT SOMEBODY COULD POSSIBLY BE DIFFERENT. AND SO THAT KIND OF CHANGES. THAT'S THE ONLY DOWNSIDE I WOULD SEE TO NOT HAVING THE SAME PERSON ON THERE. 'CAUSE WE WOULD NEED TWO. IS THAT THEN YOU'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING TO, UM, UH, GET UP TO SPEED ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT COMMITTEE. AND I WILL SAY THIS, NONE OF OUR OTHER COMMITTEES, NONE OF OUR OTHER COMMITTEES, NOT FINANCE, NOT SCHOLARSHIP, UM, DO WE ROTATE COUNCIL MEMBERS? NOW? IF, IF THIS WOULD, IF THIS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF FOLKS WANNA GO THROUGH WITH THIS, THE IDEA WOULD BE, UM, EVERY JANUARY I WOULD APPOINT SOMEBODY TO IT. SO THAT WOULD BE ROTATING. IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE SOMEBODY STAYS ON THERE FOR THEIR WHOLE, UM, TERM IN OFFICE. BUT, UH, AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS. WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH. THAT'D BE THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT, THAT PART OF THE IDEA OF, I, I JUST WOULDN'T WANT EVERY MEETING FOR THERE TO BE LIKE, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA GET CAUGHT UP TO SPEED. OKAY, WELL WHAT DID WE TALK ABOUT THE LAST TIME? THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO I AGREE. NO, THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT WHERE I WAS, THAT'S NOT WHAT, OKAY. WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY ROTATING? LIKE EVERY [00:20:01] YEAR? OR ROTATING? IT COULD BE ANNUALLY. IT COULD BE, OKAY, GOTCHA. YEAH, AS YOU ALLUDED TO. UM, WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE THAT PROBABLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, OTHER IDEAS THAT MIGHT HELP. AND THEN, AND THEN THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE YOU, YOU, YOU'RE OFF ONE, ONE YEAR DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T COME BACK THE FOLLOWING YEAR. RIGHT. NO, I GOTCHA. AND ONE THING YOU JUST MADE A GOOD POINT ABOUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, A GOOD POINT THAT ONE THING THAT WE COULD DO IS THAT MAYBE NOT EV NOT MAYBE ONCE EVERY QUARTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE COMMITTEES, THE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES THAT EVERYBODY SERVES ON COULD REPORT TO COUNCIL. LIKE WE COULD SAY THE FIRST WORK SESSION OF THE MONTH FOR EVERY QUARTER. I WOULDN'T WANNA SAY EVERY MONTH, BECAUSE I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, LIKE SOME OF THE, LIKE THE SCHOLARSHIP COMMITTEE, IT DOESN'T, IT, IT, IT'S NOT DOING WORK EVERY MONTH OF THE YEAR OR THE, UM, FINANCE COMMITTEE DOES THINGS MORE TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR. SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY THOUGHT IS, IS THAT, BUT I DO THINK IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA THAT, THAT WE HAVE EACH OTHER WHEN WE SERVE ON COMMITTEES TO COME BACK AND REPORT. SO THAT MIGHT BE ONE WAY TO KEEP EVERYBODY WHAT'S GOING ON. YES. IF I MAY, UM, WHEN WE CREATED THE, THE, AT THE TIME SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, THERE WAS NOBODY ON EITHER SIDE, THE TOWN OR COUNTY, OTHER THAN THE FOUR PEOPLE WHO HAVE SERVED ON IT THAT WERE INTERESTED IN SERVING AT THAT TIME. AND UNFORTUNATELY, SINCE OUR HANDS HAVE BEEN TIED, ALL WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IS RELATIONSHIP BUILDING AT THIS POINT IN IT. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE TO CHANGE THE MEMBERSHIP OF IT AT THIS POINT IN IT. PERHAPS NEXT JANUARY WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. I KNOW JOSH AND I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF OUR TIME DURING THE WORKDAY, AS YOU CAN SEE, 4:00 PM UM, BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH NORFOLK SOUTHERN, WHO WERE, UM, UNABLE TO BE REACHED BY ANY GOVERNING BODY UP UNTIL THIS TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE CAME ALONG AND THEY SHOWED UP. UH, WE'VE BEEN BUILDING A RELATIONSHIP WITH VDOT, NOT ONLY THE LOCAL OFFICE, BUT AT A STATE LEVEL. UM, I KNOW DOLORES WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN BUILDING THAT RELATIONSHIP AND BRINGING THEM TO THE MEETINGS, BUT ALSO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THERE WAS AN UPDATED EVERY LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING. AND JOSH AND I ALSO GAVE AN UPDATE EVERY MONTH DURING COUNCIL REPORT TO THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. AND THEY WERE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO SIT IN ON, I KNOW JOE ATTENDED SEVERAL OF THEM. LAUREN ATTENDED SEVERAL OF THEM. UM, TYPICALLY WE DO HAVE TOWN STAFF PRESENT AT THOSE, SO IT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING DIFFERENT. WE WERE GIVING UPDATES JOINTLY AS A LIAISON AND INDIVIDUALLY AS THE COUNCIL MEMBERS REPRESENTING THAT MONTHLY AND QUARTERLY. OKAY. AND I, AND THIS ISN'T REALLY, I, I WAS SITTING HERE THINKING AS YOU SAID THAT ABOUT THEM BEING OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. IN MY HEAD I'M THINKING, WELL, I GUESS WE COULD ALWAYS VIDEO IT, BUT HONESTLY, WE, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT WOULD BE OVERKILL. UM, AND ALSO, DIDN'T WE SAY, CLARIFY FOR ME, MR. WALTZ, I BELIEVE, DIDN'T WE SAY THAT THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE OR NOT NEED TO BE MINUTES TAKEN? THERE ARE MINUTES CURRENTLY TAKEN FOR THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD. OKAY. CHERYL RECORDS THEM AND TRANSCRIBES THEM. OKAY. OKAY. GO AHEAD. WE DIDN'T GET CLARIFICATION FOR COMMITTEE COMPRISED OF TWO. YEAH. AND EACH GOVERNING BODY MINUTES WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED. THAT'S WHAT I WAS, I THOUGHT WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT, LIAISON, IT'S NOT, WHICH WAS THE CONFUSION, WHICH WAS THE CONFUSION OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, IS THAT PEOPLE KEPT SAYING, WHERE ARE THERE MINUTES? BUT THERE WEREN'T STAFF MEMBERS THERE TO TAKE THE MINUTES AND THE CHAIRMAN AND STUFF. SO WE DON'T WELL, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IT WASN'T AN OFFICIALLY APPOINTED COMMITTEE. RIGHT. I GOT SO IT WAS NEVER A GOVERNING, IT WAS NEVER A PUBLIC BODY. RIGHT. IT WAS INDIVIDUALS WHO GOT TOGETHER, PUBLIC BODY. RIGHT. NOW, THERE WAS A POTENTIAL PROBLEM WHEN OTHER MEMBERS OF GOVERNING BO A GOVERNING BODY OR BODIES APPEARED AND PARTICIPATED OR ATTEMPTED TO, ATTEMPTED TO, AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. OKAY. SO MINUTES. WE DON'T HAVE TO, THERE DON'T HAVE TO BE MINUTES TAKEN. WE, WE DECIDE, BUT THERE WERE MINUTES KEPT UP. WE DECIDED TO KEEP MINUTES FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WERE OPPOSING OR PICKING APART THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE BECAUSE, UM, DEVELOPERS DID BEGIN PARTICIPATING AND BRINGING IDEAS FORWARD TO THE TABLE ABOUT WAYS TO, YOU KNOW, BUILD ROADS. NOT JUST ONE IN PARTICULAR. THERE WERE MANY THAT WERE DISCUSSED. I KNOW MATT WENDLING ATTENDED ONE OR TWO OF 'EM AND GAVE IN DEPTH REPORTS. AND THERE WERE MINUTES FOR ALL OF THOSE. I MEAN, WE EVEN DISCUSSED BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS. THEY'RE THEIR, UM, SECOND INGRESS EGRESS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. SO, SO THAT'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER METHOD OF COMMUNICATION IS THAT IF THERE, IF THERE WILL BE MINUTES, THEN MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT, [00:25:01] THAT THOSE MINUTES ARE SHARED WITH BOTH GOVERNING BODIES SO WE CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. MR. WELCH, YOU WANNA KNOW? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO, I I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE, UH, MEETING MINUTES OKAY. WITH THESE MEETINGS. AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN COMMIT RESOURCES WHEN THE TOWN HOSTS ME, BUT I THINK IT'S PARAMOUNT TO PROVIDE, TO DOCUMENT THOSE MINUTES. I AGREE. BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT Y'ALL DID JUST IN THAT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. SO I WILL, UM, I WILL REACH OUT TO CHAIRMAN COLORS AND ASK HER IF, UM, THE COUNTY WOULD BE WILLING TO COMMIT TO HAVING SOMEONE THERE TO DO MINUTES TOO. BECAUSE I DO THINK, I WILL SAY I'VE BEEN IN THESE SITUATIONS BEFORE, NOT AS ELECTED OFFICIAL, BUT IN JUST ALL THE DIFFERENT CLUBS AND THINGS. I'VE BEEN A PART OF SCHOOL. IT'S HARD TO TAKE MINUTES WHEN YOU'RE ALSO PARTICIPATING. 'CAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE MINUTES IN HERE. SHE JUST BROUGHT THE RECORDER AND SHE RECORDED THEM. RIGHT. BUT IT, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF SOMEBODY, SO I'LL ASK HER ABOUT SOMEBODY TO RECORD MINUTES. UM, AND YEAH, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL, ALL RIGHT. SO I HAVE ONE MORE POINT. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO ADD, I THINK IT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, AND MAYBE JOSH FEELS DIFFERENTLY. I DON'T KNOW THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE APPOINTMENTS, THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE BI-ANNUALLY FOR THE FACT OF THE MATTER. THAT FUNDING FOR VOT IS FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. AS WE LEARNED WITH ROUTE 6 0 6. A STUDY TAKES SIX MONTHS AFTER THE TOWN AND COUNTY COME TOGETHER, WHICH I THINK IT TOOK THREE TO SIX MONTHS FOR THE TOWN AND COUNTY TO DEVISE A PLAN. WELL, EACH OF US SUBMIT OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL PLANS TO VDOT, AND THEN IT TAKES SIX MONTHS FOR VDOT STUDY AND THEN SIX MONTHS FOR FUNDING. SO I DON'T SEE THE WORK THAT COULD BE DONE IN A COMMITTEE IN ONE YEAR FOR TRANSPORTATION. THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT VDOT THAT MOVES QUICKLY OR THE RAILROAD WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH FEDERAL. AND THAT'S JUST MY SYNOPSIS FROM WHAT I'VE GATHERED. I MEAN, WE'VE, YEAH, WE, YOU SAID A YEAR AND A HALF, BUT WE HAVE NOT MET FOR A YEAR AND A HALF. WE UNFORTUNATELY GOT SHUT DOWN PROBABLY FOUR PLUS MONTHS AGO. YEAH. MM-HMM. . UM, SO WE HAVEN'T MET, I MEAN, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTS OF AS WELL, NOT THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD MEETING WITH, UH, WELL, WITH CHERYL. CHERYL HE ATTENDED WITH, WENT DOWN HERE AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FOLLOW UP WITH THAT WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, A KEY POINT OF THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN OUR, IN OUR COMMITTEE. AND THAT WAS A BIG DRIVER OF GETTING, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING THAT ON THE, ON THE AGENDA FOR, FOR THE, UH, TURN LANE AT, UH, AT A HIGH KNOB. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ABOUT TO BE ON THE, ON THE BACK BURNER, BUT WITH BRINGING IT UP YEAH. BRING IT UP. SPEED. I MEAN, THERE WERE A LOT OF SP A LOT OF, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SPOKE THERE. YOU KNOW, I WAS, I WAS SURPRISED. BUT, BUT THAT WAS BROUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS ABOUT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF OUR, UH, CAME OUTTA THAT COMMITTEE. GOTCHA. SO, OKAY. SO I, UM, IF EVERYBODY'S READY FOR THAT, WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY 26TH. AND I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AND I'M JUST MAKING, I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP, I'M TRYING TO PULL FROM MY , IS WE WOULD NEED TO OFFICIALLY ESTABLISH THE COMMITTEE, AND THEN I WOULD APPOINT PEOPLE, I ASSUMING, LIKE AT THE MARCH MEETING. DOES IT HAVE TO BE AT THE SAME NIGHT? MM-HMM. I, I LIKE THAT APPROACH. YEAH. SO WE'LL ESTABLISH IT AND THEN, AND THEN, AND THE MAYOR APPOINT PEOPLE TO THOSE COMMITTEES. SO I WILL THEN IN MARCH I WOULD DO THAT. AND, AND EACH, EACH, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO AGREE ON THE DELEGATED PURPOSE OF THIS COMMITTEE, RIGHT. FIRST. RIGHT. AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I BELIEVE THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE DOING THAT TOMORROW NIGHT. LIKE IT'S ON THEIR AGENDA FOR TOMORROW NIGHT. SO, SO ONCE THEY HAVE THEIR SET UP, THEN WE WOULD ESTABLISH IT. I MEAN, UNLESS, UNLESS YOU ALL, YOU KNOW, UNLESS WE TAKE THIS ACTION ON FEBRUARY 26TH, AND THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA MAKE THIS UP THAT A ITEM A AND THEN ITEM B IS ME APPOINTING THE PEOPLE SO THAT, THAT THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA MISS THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THIS MONTH, FEBRUARY. SO THE SOONEST YOU'D BE ABLE TO MEET WOULD BE THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF MARCH. AND IF WE WAIT UNTIL MARCH TO APPOINT PEOPLE, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO MEET UNTIL APRIL. YEAH. BUT TIMES WE MIGHT DO THAT ONLY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SO MANY ISSUES HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. YOU COULD SEE HIM WAIT TILL APRIL, JUNE. I MEAN, I'M SORRY, IT KIND OF GOT A PAUSE FOR NOW. AND WE, I'VE HAD PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME, I THINK JOSH HAS TOO, THAT WERE DEVELOPERS AND PRIVATE CITIZENS WHO HAVE BEEN ATTENDING AND PARTICIPATING WHO HAVE SHOWN UP TO THE MEETINGS THAT AREN'T HAPPENING. AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHERE DID YOU GUYS GO? YEAH. WE HAD [00:30:01] CONCERNS. LARRY, TY LAWSON WAS ONE OF THE ONES WHO REGULARLY ATTENDED. HE'S THE REPRESENTATION ON THE, UH, COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD. AND HE'S ALSO THE LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR RYAN. YEAH. WELL, I'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE, I'VE HAD RESIDENTS ASK, YOU KNOW, HEY, WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT? YOU KNOW? WELL, IT WAS MAKE, IT WAS, IT WAS GREAT STRIDE. YEAH. I WAS LIKE, ONE OF THE FEW JOINT TAB SIGNED. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, NOW THAT, UM, IT'S COME TO LIGHT, THE COUNTY'S ACTING ON THIS MM-HMM. TOMORROW, IT IS ON THEIR AGENDA TOMORROW NIGHT WITH A PROPOSED MOTION OF THEN, AND COUNSEL CAN SIMPLY, UH, THE RESOLUTION OR MOTION CAN SIMPLY BE TO MIRROR THE PURPOSE THAT, THAT THE COUNTY COMES UP WITH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, SO I, WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA, MS. PRESLEY, FOR THE 26TH. AND I, I'M JUST GONNA BE REALLY HONEST. I, MY MY THOUGHT IS THAT AMBER AND JOSH WOULD STAY ON IT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THEY HAVE SERVED ON IT. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF NEXT JANUARY COUNSEL CAN REVISIT IT AGAIN JUST LIKE WE DO WITH ANY OTHER OF OUR COMMITTEES. AND, AND AT THAT POINT PEOPLE CAN EXPRESS INTEREST OR NOT EXPRESS INTEREST. UM, AND WHAT I'M GONNA ASK MS. CALLERS, AND I'LL TRY TO ACTUALLY ASK HER FOR TOMORROW NIGHT, NOT THAT IT HAS TO BE PART OF THEIR, UM, NOT THAT IT HAS TO BE PART OF THEIR MOTION, BUT I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET THEM TO AGREE TO, TO THE IDEA OF PROVIDING MINUTES. AND THEN THOSE WILL BE SHARED WITH COUNCIL TOO. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY TOO, THE OTHER PART IS, IS IF IN THE MINUTES IT TALKS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S COMING UP BEFORE THE COMMITTEE, IF WE KNOW THAT, THEN IF COUNCIL MEMBERS WANNA SHARE IDEAS OF, HEY, THIS IS COMING UP AND HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING, THAT'LL, THAT'LL OPEN UP THE SCORES TOO. OKAY. YES. ALSO, REPORTING BACK TO THE GOVERNING BODY SHOULD BE NAILED THAT HOW OFTEN. OKAY. IN THE MOTION OR NOW? I THINK. I THINK NOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WELL NOW IN THE MOTIONS OF, OF THE TWO BODIES, I THINK THE REPORTING BACK SHOULD BE, YEAH, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT IN THEIR MOTION. I'M LOOKING AT THEIR MOTION. BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS THAT, UM, THEIR MOTION SAYS THE COMMITTEE WILL MEET AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER OR TOWN HALL ON THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH, AND AS ESTABLISHED BY THE COMMITTEE. SO, I MEAN, MY THOUGHT IS IF THEY MEET THE THIRD WEDNESDAY, THEN THEY COULD PRESENT AT THE FIRST WORK SESSION OF THE MONTH BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PRESENT AT THE NEXT WEEK, THE FOURTH WEEK, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE COUNSEL MEETING. AND THAT'S NOT REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY. THAT'S WHEN WE WERE, WE WERE GETTING THE COUNCIL REPORT. YEAH. UM, WELL, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ROOM FOR DIALOGUE OR DIALECT, YOU KNOW, AMONGST THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WAY. BUT I THINK JOSH AND I WERE ROTATING WHOEVER WENT FIRST EACH MONTH AND GAVE THE COUNCIL REPORT. GAVE THE REPORT ON THAT, THOUGH, I WILL SAY THAT YOU JUST, YOU JUST HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD THOUGH. THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING IS THERE WOULDN'T BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY DIALOGUE. SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO ASK, NOT THAT THEY COULDN'T ASK AFTER THE YEAH. REGULAR MEETING. BUT IT WOULD GIVE PEOPLE, IT WOULD GIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO THE TRANSPORTATION REPORT. AND IF THEY HAVE A QUESTION OR A CONCERN OR AN IDEA, THEY CAN SHARE IT THEN. UM, SO, SO I GUESS BEFORE FEBRUARY 26TH, YOU'D LIKE FOR IT TO BE IN THE MOTION THAT COUNCIL, UH, THOSE APPOINTED TO THAT, UM, JOINT TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE WOULD REPORT TO COUNCIL THE FIRST WORK SESSION OF THE MONTH. IF, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT WORKS, UM, PROCEDURALLY, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF THE COUNTY WAS ABLE TO COVER THAT, UH, TOMORROW. I'M SURE CHERYL WOULD BE WILLING TO ADD THAT IN. I KNOW SHE WAS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS. YEAH. I WILL SAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT MONTHLY THERE'S A REPORT THAT CAN BE GIVEN. UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT'S VERY SLOW MOVING. I THINK IT TOOK AT LEAST THREE MONTHS TO SEE PROGRESS WITH EACH PROJECT WE DISCUSSED. UM, BECAUSE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, LAUREN'S NOT AVAILABLE OR MATT'S NOT AVAILABLE, OR JOE'S NOT AVAILABLE OR ED. SO IT'S REALLY JUST LIKE A MEETING OF THE MINDS AND DEVELOPERS AND WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIKE AND WHAT'S BEEN ABANDONED OR NOT ADDRESSED FOR DECADES. SO I DON'T, MAYBE JOSH THINKS THERE IS A MONTHLY REPORT THAT COULD BE GIVEN, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S SUBSTANCE TO GIVE A REPORT MONTHLY. WELL, MAYBE IF THE MINUTES ARE SHARED, I MEAN, YEAH, PEOPLE COULD MAYBE, IF THE MINUTES ARE SHARED, IT COULD BE A, OKAY. EVERYBODY HAS SEEN THE MINUTES OF, UH, WHAT WENT ON AT THE LAST TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. DOES ANYBODY ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT OR COMMENTS THAT MIGHT, THAT IT COULD BE AS SMALL AS THAT? 'CAUSE LIKE [00:35:01] YOU SAID, IF NOTHING HAPPENED, THERE'S NO POINT IN TAKING 10 MINUTES TO SHARE UNLESS Y'ALL YEAH. 'CAUSE I THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN YOUR ATTENDEES, LIKE YOUR DEVELOPERS THAT SHOW UP OR THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, NORFOLK SOUTHERN SHOWED UP AND THAT YOU HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT TRANSPORTATION. I MEAN, REALLY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THE PLAY BY PLAY OF EVERYTHING IN THE CONVERSATION, BUT, UM, I THINK THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THOSE TOPICS. I MEAN, I GUESS WE COULD ANNOUNCE THE ATTENDEES TO COUNCIL, BUT IT WOULD BE IN THE MINUTES THOUGH. IT WOULD BE IN THE MINUTES. EVERYBODY THAT ATTENDED MINUTES WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY THAT'S PRESENT IN MINUTES. RIGHT. IT'D BE LIKE, WELL, I, IF ALL THE PEOPLE SITTING AT THE TABLE, PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS THAT CAME AND SAT IN THE AUDIENCE DIDN'T HAVE TO GIVE THEIR NAME TO CHERYL. I MEAN, THERE WERE, WE HAD HOMEOWNERS AND SUCCESS SIX WHO CAME IN AND SAT AND LISTENED. I WOULD THINK IT WOULD JUST BE IF YOU, IT'S JUST LIKE PEOPLE, I MAY ALWAYS MADE A NOTE WHOEVER WAS PARTICIPATING. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S JUST THE PARTICIPATING JUST LIKE AT A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. YEAH. WE DIDN'T WAIT IN, THE AUDIENCE ISN'T NOTED, BUT MS. PRESLEY NOTES ANYBODY WHO SPEAKS. AND WE DID HAVE AGENDAS FOR THEM WHEN WE WERE MEETING AS WELL. UM, AND WE, THAT IS SOMETHING WE COVERED. IF YOU GO BACK AND WATCH THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS, WHICHEVER ONE OF US SPOKE ABOUT IT FIRST, WE DID COVER WHO WE OF SUBSTANCE THAT GOT TO PARTICIPATE. 'CAUSE NOT EVERYBODY THAT SHOWS UP GETS TO PARTICIPATE. RIGHT. OKAY. NO, I WAS THINKING THAT THEY ABOUT PEOPLE WHO PRESENTED, YOU KNOW, REGULAR. SO I'M THINKING FOR US, IT COULD BE FIRST WORK SESSION, BUT HERE'S, I DON'T, LIKE THEY MEET ON THE FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH. I DON'T THINK THEIRS IS A WORK SESSION. I THINK THEIRS IS A REGULAR MEETING ON THE FIRST OF THE MONTH. THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. IT MUST BE, 'CAUSE THIS IS, THE DATE IS FEBRUARY 6TH, WHICH IS TOMORROW, THE REGULAR MEETING TOMORROW. YEAH. SO THERE'S A REGULAR MEETING. SO MR. LYNN . ALL RIGHT. SO IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON. SO, AND I'LL, I WILL TRY TO REACH OUT TO CHAIRMAN CALLERS, UM, FOR TOMORROW AND ASK IF THEY CAN DISCUSS ABOUT RECORDING MINUTES AND WHEN THEY WOULD REPORT BACK TO THEIR BOARD. UM, OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM IS THE OUT OF TOWN UTILITY CONNECTION APPLICATION FROM THE CATHOLIC DI DIOCESE OF ARLINGTON AND WARREN COUNTY TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. MR. WALTZ? YES. THIS IS A FOLLOW UP FROM OUR CONVERSATION. UM, THE TOWN DID RECEIVE A WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION FROM WARREN COUNTY IN THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF ARLINGTON BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 23. TOWN COUNCIL DISCUSSED THIS AT THE JANUARY 2ND AND EIGHTH OF THIS YEAR. UM, DURING THAT DISCUSSION, I, I, I TOOK AWAY THE COUNCIL WAS NOT GOING TO REQUEST A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT, UH, AND THAT WE WOULD PROCEED WITH THE APPLICATION FOR THE OUT OF TOWN WATER AND SEWER CONNECTION. AND TO DO THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE TOWN CODE, UH, TO ADD THIS AREA, UH, IN CHAPTER 1 34 1D, UH, INTO THE EXEMPTION AREA, OR THAT WE CAN THEN APPROVE THE OUT OF TOWN WATER AND SEWER REQUEST. OKAY. AND SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION SOMETHING. JANUARY 2ND AND EIGHTH, THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS ITEM, AND THERE WAS CONCERN. I KNOW, UM, COUNCILMAN WOOD, UH, AND OTHERS, BUT I, I JUST REMEMBER COUNCILMAN WOOD, UM, BRING UP MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT THE, THE, UM, THE FACT THAT THAT PARTICULAR AREA, THAT TOWN, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON OUR RADAR THAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A SIDEWALK ALONG ER ROAD FOR SAFETY PURPOSES AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. UM, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND TALKED ABOUT AND TALKED ABOUT IT. AND THEN, UM, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM GREENWAY MENTIONED THAT THE COUNTY, UM, WAS GOING TO ASK FOR A SIDEWALK. UM, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE NOW, BUT I WOULD BE MORE THAN SO I CAN, I, I, I'M GONNA, MR. WINDLEY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT OR NOT. I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT. DO YOU MIND? THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE GONNA, YOU KNOW, JUST ABOUT THE WATER AND, AND ABOUT THE SIDEWALK. AND SO IF, IF WE, IF THE INFORMATION ISN'T THE SAME, COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF THAT. SO, YEAH, I, I ORIGINALLY MENTIONED THIS TO LAUREN, UM, MS. KAKI MM-HMM. , UH, WHEN THE APPLICATION CAME IN, KNOWING THAT THE NEW COMP PLAN WAS APPROVED AND THAT YOU HAD A COMPONENT OF PEDESTRIAN AND CYCLING AND SIDEWALKS AND THE CONNECTIVITY AND WHATNOT. UM, SINCE THEN, UH, OUR LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, HAS SAID THAT WE'VE GOTTA BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT WHAT WE ASK FOR. IN THE CASE OF A CHURCH, UH, COULD VIOLATE OUR LUPA RULES. UM, SO, [00:40:01] UM, IF THEY WANT TO DO IT, UM, THEY CAN VOLUNTARILY DO IT. UM, I'VE SPOKEN WITH, UM, MS. WHITAKER AT GREENWAY, AND WE'VE KIND OF COME UP WITH AN, AN ALTERNATIVE THOUGHT WOULD BE A REQUEST FOR A DEED OF DEDICATION FOR THE LAND, FOR THE SIDEWALK ON BOTH, UH, CREER ROAD AND ON LERAY AVENUE. LERAY AVENUE WOULD BE FOR BDOT AND THEN, UH, WEST RYER ROAD WOULD BE FOR THE TOWN. SO THE CHURCH WOULD JUST BASICALLY SET ASIDE THAT LAND, NOT ACTUALLY PUT THE SIDEWALK IN OR BUILD THE SIDEWALK, BUT AT LEAST HAVE THAT LAND AVAILABLE FOR A TIME WHEN, UH, THAT CONNECT CONNECTIVITY OF YOUR SIDEWALKS GETTING INTO PLAY. WE'D HAVE THAT. I THINK THE, THE PLAN WOULD BE IF THEY DID AGREE TO THAT AND THEY'D HAVE TO DO IT IN WRITING, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING. UM, WE WOULD REQUEST, UM, THAT TO BE DONE PROBABLY IN THE SITE PLAN PHASE, OR AT LEAST PRIOR TO RECEIVING A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. THEY COULD HAVE THAT RECORDED AT THE COURTHOUSE. AGAIN, I PROBABLY NEED SOME LEGAL GUIDANCE ON THAT SPECIFICALLY, AND ESPECIALLY AND WITH YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL, WE WOULD GO THAT WAY. UM, BUT IN LIEU OF HAVING THEM ACTUALLY BUILD THE SIDEWALK, WE, WE, WE CAME UP WITH A THOUGHT MAYBE JUST DEDICATING THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT. UH, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. MS. BUSHER HAS ANYTHING ELSE? DOES COUNSEL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? SO BASICALLY, LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY. SO ONCE COUNSEL MOVED FORWARD TO AGREE OR DISAGREE, LET'S JUST SAY THEY AGREE TO, UM, PROVIDE THE WATER. THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THERE, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE ON OUR END THAT THEY WOULD DEDICATE THE LAND FOR IT. YOU'RE JUST SAYING IF THEY FEEL LIKE IT. SO WE'D JUST BE ON, IT'S TOTALLY UP TO THEM IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. OKAY. YEAH, WE, WE, WE WHAT ARE LUPA? HE SAID LUPA. WHAT'S A LUPA? I'M CURIOUS NOW. OH, WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S THAT? COME ON. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I DEAL WITH, BUT YEAH. OH, OKAY. IT'S, IT IS JUST, UH, IT'S DEALING WITH RELIGIOUS, UH, LAND USES OF THE LAND USES. OKAY. I JUST HAD NEVER HEARD OF IT BEFORE YOU SAID IT UP. YOU JUST GOTTA BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT YOU ASK FROM A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION THAT YOU WOULDN'T ASK THE SAME THING FROM A NON-RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION. I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND IT. SO, UH, I KNOW, I WAS SAY NOW, SEE, I FIND THAT INTERESTING BECAUSE WE WOULD, IF IT WAS A DEVELOPER THAT WAS GONNA DEVELOP THAT AND ASK FOR WATER, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY ENCOURAGE THEM TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK PROFFERS, RIGHT? WE WOULD LOOK AT, YEAH, IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T OR CONDITION, BUT, UM, THIS IS JUST A, A LITTLE LESS, LESS A LEARNING MOMENT. THANK YOU. IT'S A BURDEN ON THE, ON THE APPLICANT, UH, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS COST WISE, OBVIOUSLY. BUT, UH, THEY WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST BASICALLY SET ASIDE THE, THE LAND. WE WOULD IDENTIFY THAT IN OUR SITE PLAN AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY AGREE TO THAT, WE WOULD ASK THAT THAT BE RECORDED, UH, PRIOR TO, UH, USUALLY IT'S A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. BELIEVE SO I, WELL, I'VE GOT A QUESTION THERE. I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. SO THE LAND THE RIGHT OF WAY THOUGH, DO WE HAVE, DO THEY OWN, DO YOU OWN MUCH LAND BEYOND THAT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THE SIDEWALK OR DO WOULD THE RIGHT OF WAY TAKE CARE OF THE SIDEWALK? SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE ENOUGH LAND TO PUT A SIDEWALK ALONG WEST REISER, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO HAVE THE SIDEWALK IN A BIKE LANE. I SEE. SO, UH, IT WOULD, FOR THE ADDITIONAL SPACE, WE COULD ACTUALLY MAYBE INCORPORATE A BIKE LANE AS WELL AS THE SIDEWALK. I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT. I JUST KNOW THAT DURING THE DESIGN PHASE FOR THAT, WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE COULDN'T PUT IN BOTH THE SIDEWALK AND A BIKE LANE. WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT AWAY. SO THEY MAY, SO IF THEY DECIDE NOT TO DEDICATE AT A TIME, IT WOULD STILL, WE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH OUR WITH THE SIDEWALK. WITH THE SIDEWALK, CORRECT. WEST KREER. AND THEN WHAT ABOUT, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT LERAY AVENUE IS, DO YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT ROOM OR LERAY AVENUE? I HAVE NOT EVALUATED LARAY FROM LERAY TO THE BOAT LANDING. I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THAT FEASIBILITY. OKAY. WE, UM, LARE AVENUE ALL THE WAY, LIKE THE LAND WOULD BE V DOT, BUT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR UP TO WHAT? ALL THE WAY TO THE BOAT LANDING. NO, NO, I THINK IT'S, UH, WE STOP RIGHT ACROSS. RIGHT. WE, WE START RIGHT THERE WHEN YOU CALL TO CHRIST, I DON'T KNOW WHERE EXACTLY THAT IS, BUT THEN THAT IS BDOT ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I THOUGHT THAT'S A MESS THERE. , YOU SAID NO MAN'S . OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. WENDLING BEFORE HE SITS DOWN? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. WENDLING. THANK YOU. WHAT DID, DID, THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR? I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THE TOWN ZONING ADHERES [00:45:01] TO THE SAME LUPA, LIKE IF WE WOULD'VE BROUGHT IT INTO THE TOWN AND DID A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT AND THEN WE HAD SITE PLANS DONE, WE WITH THAT TRAFFIC WOULD'VE REQUIRED INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES ALONG THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO HAD WE CHANGED OUR DIRECTION, WOULD WE HAVE ENDED UP WITH A SIDEWALK DEVELOPED? NO, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A PROPER, YOU GOTTA ADD. I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WHAT WE CAN ANSWER PROPOSITION, RIGHT? BUT LAUREN SAID THAT, LAUREN SAID THAT WITH THE FOOT TRAFFIC AND THE PURPOSE, THE USE, THE INTENT OF THE ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT, IT WOULD'VE REQUIRED IT, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A PROFFER, IT WAS A REQUIREMENT. 'CAUSE IT AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. YEAH, THAT IS WHAT SHE SAID. I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT, BUT YEAH. UM, SO I THINK THE DISTINCTION HERE IS THAT THE, IN THE COUNTY, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT. I MEAN, I'M SPECULATING NOW, BUT YOU'VE THE BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT TO BRING THAT THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A SIMILAR REQUIREMENT AND TO QUALIFY OR VALID. THANK YOU. MY QUESTION, IT'S NOT BECAUSE I'M LIKE, WELL, WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN A SIDEWALK OUT OF THE CHURCH, BUT IT'S FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT WE'RE ALREADY GONNA BE GIVING FREE WATER. UM, NO, WE WON'T BE. WELL, NO. IF IT, THEY, THEY THE FIRST HOW MANY GALLONS? NOT, NOT UNLESS IT'S IN THE TOWN LIMITS. NO, THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE. IT'S 3000. MY NOTES SAY NO MATTER WHAT THE FIRST 3000. SO NO MATTER WHAT IT'S AT CHURCH. YEAH. OKAY. I'M, MY NOTES SAID NO MATTER WHAT. YEAH, I, YEAH, I DIDN'T. SO WE'RE GONNA BE GIVING FREE WATER BY NOT TAKING IT INTO THE TOWN OR BY TAKING IT INTO THE TOWN PLUS NO TAX REVENUE PLUS NO INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES. I THINK THE REASON, AND I MAY BE SPEAKING OUTTA LINE FOR COUNCIL, BUT I THINK THE REASON THAT WE WENT WITH THE PLAN THAT WE WENT WITH AFTER AN HOUR OF EXHAUSTING THE CONVERSATION WAS BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD IN THAT MEETING THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A SIDEWALK SITE PLAN, WHICH I UNDERSTAND AND I'VE MADE NOTE OF THE LUPA AND I INTEND TO DO SOME FOLLOW UP WORK REGARDING THAT NEW INFORMATION WE WERE PRESENTED TONIGHT. BUT WOULD THE TOWN HAVE HAD TO ADHERE TO THAT? LIKE, IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER HEARD OF THAT. THAT'S NOT IF IT'S IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, IT APPLIES TO ANY PROPERTY OWNER. RIGHT. SO NOW I'M FEELING LIKE WE MADE A DECISION THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE NECESSARILY MADE WITH ALL THE INFORM PRESENT. I AGREE. UM, AND WITH THAT, I WOULD SAY THAT MAYBE THIS IS ONE OF THESE TIMES WHERE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION AND WE ASK TO CLARIFY SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS SO THAT WE HAVE THE INFORMATION WE NEED TO, UM, TO DECIDE. BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, AND I, AND I ADMIT, I EVEN THOUGHT THAT, I THOUGHT THAT IF IT WAS IN THE TOWN LIMITS, THEY WOULD PAY THE SAME PRICE AS ANYBODY ELSE FOR WATER. BUT THE FIRST 3000 GALLONS WOULD BE FREE. THERE WOULD BE NO TAX BENEFIT. UM, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, REAL ESTATE TAXES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. UM, BUT THAT, IF, IF, AND AND NO OTHER PROPERTY ALONG THAT STREET WOULD ALSO THEN BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND SAY, WELL THEN IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, GONNA BOUNDARY LINE ADJUST THEM, THEN WHY AREN'T YOU BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTING THAT? I KNOW THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION WE HAD IS HOW DO WE DRAW THE LINE BETWEEN WHICH ONE? UM, AND SO I WAS THINKING LIKE IF IT WAS OUT OF TOWN, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT, AND I DON'T, I'M, I'M SO SORRY, I ALMOST WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK AND WATCH THE MEETING MYSELF, BUT HOW I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT, I THOUGHT THEY PAY THAT IT WAS DOUBLE THE WATER, UM, DOUBLE THE WATER AND SEWER AND THE REGULAR TAP FEES AFTER THE CHURCH. IT'S, BUT IT IS AFTER THE NO, WELL THE, THE, THE TAP FEE RIGHT, THEY GET 3000 GALLONS, BUT IT IS STILL DOUBLE THE RATE AFTER THE 3000. AFTER 3000 GALLONS. SO ANY CUSTOMER, ANY, UM, NO. IT ANY, ANY FOR CHURCH. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. ANY CHURCH THAT RECEIVES TOWN WATER RECEIVES THE FIRST 3000 OR THEY'RE EXEMPTED FROM PAYING 3000 GALLONS A MONTH. RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. FOR MY FINAL POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET ANYTHING OUT OF THE CHURCH OR WE COULD HAVE SOUGHT TO BENEFIT FROM THIS. HOWEVER, I WOULD ARGUE WITH ANYONE THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A HEALTH AND HUMAN SAFETY HAZARD TO HAVE A CHURCH OF THAT CAPACITY. YOU DRIVE DOWN WEST MAIN ANYTIME THERE'S MASS AND THERE ARE TONS OF CHILDREN ON THE SIDEWALK. ABSOLUTELY. AND SO I JUST, FOR ME, I DON'T THINK IT'S SAFE, NOT THE FACT THAT WE WOULD JUST BE GETTING LAND AND NOT A SIDEWALK, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S FEASIBLE. SO I WOULD SAY, WHAT OTHER QUESTION? WHATEVER QUESTIONS WE HAVE, UM, WE PROBABLY NEED TO SEEK THE ANSWERS. AND IF YOU, [00:50:01] IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE QUESTION RIGHT TONIGHT OR WHATEVER, THEN UH, MR. WALTZ, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST, BEST PATH FORWARD IS TO SEND YOU THE QUESTIONS OR SEND MS. CAP PHD THE QUESTIONS. GEORGE PROBABLY SEND 'EM TO YOU AND SEND AND I CAN JUST FILTER 'EM OUT TO THE DIFFERENT, WHOEVER GETS THE DEPARTMENT. MR. RAPPAPORT, I, I WAS GONNA JUST SAY THAT I THINK THE MAIN, THE MAIN QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO GIVE THEM WATER AND SEWER AND, AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS IF IF WE DON'T AND THEY WANT TO, THEY WANT TO PURSUE IT, THEY'LL, THEY'LL PURSUE SEPTIC AND A WILL, RIGHT? OH YEAH. THEY, THEY'VE MADE THAT CLEAR. YEAH, THEY, THEY HAVE NO, I AGREE. WE DO WANT TO PROVIDE THEM WITH WATER AND SEPTIC NO MATTER WHAT. I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO, WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS A CON I THINK EVERYBODY'S DECISIONS WERE BASED ON, WELL WE WENT AROUND THE, YOU WENT AROUND THE TABLE AND ASKED DO WE WANT TO PROVIDE THEM WATER SOMEHOW SOME WAY? AND WE ALL SAID YES. AND I KNOW THAT THIS COUNCIL GETS FRUSTRATED WHEN WE POSTPONED THINGS, BUT I MEAN, THIS IS BRAND NEW INFORMATION YET AGAIN, AND WE DON'T HAVE OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR HERE. SO WE WILL GATHER QUESTIONS, MAKE SURE WE CLARIFY THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WHAT WOULD BE, UM, WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED, UM, AND WHAT WOULD BE THE PATH FORWARD AND JUST GET THE SCENARIOS. UM, SO, AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT AT THIS VERY MOMENT THAT THEY CAN THINK OF? AND JUST KNOW THAT IF WE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONDAY NIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE THAT YOU NEED TO GET ANSWERED? PROBABLY NEED TO GO TO, UM, JOE BEFORE THURSDAY I WOULD SAY. RIGHT. WOULD THAT BE ENOUGH TIME OR WOULD YOU PREFER THEM SOONER? NO, THAT THE, THE SOONER THE BETTER, BUT THAT, THAT'LL WORK BY THE END OF THE WEEK. OKAY. I'LL SAY THAT. UM, ME'S HERE WITH GREENWAY ENGINEERING AS WELL. SO SHE'S HEARING WHAT, WHAT, WHAT YOUR DISCUSSIONS ARE, WHAT ABOUT, SO SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO OKAY. AND LAUREN CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO YOU AS WELL, RIGHT? YEAH, I WAS LIKE, IF YOU COULD GET ME THE QUESTIONS ONCE YOU HAVE 'EM AND WE CAN FIGURE THEM OUT AND I CAN SIT DOWN AND FIGURE THEM OUT. OKAY. I THINK AT, AT MINIMUM THE, THE POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER ABOUT THE DEED OF DEDICATION IS I THINK CRITICAL FOR THE BIKE LANE. WHAT WOULD BE FOR A BIKE LANE? WELL THAT IN THE SIDEWALK ON, WELL THE SIDEWALK, WE DON'T NEED A DEED OF IT. WE, WE JUST NEED THE LAND FOR IF WE CHOSE TO PUT IN A BIKE PAD. RIGHT, MR. WALTZ. CORRECT? YEAH. CORRECT. WE HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT AWAY FOR, YEAH, I THOUGHT I HEARD THE DEED, DEED OF DEDICATION THAT THE COUNTY WOULD, UH, IF THE APPLICANT YEAH. YEAH. THEY SAID YOU'RE CORRECT MR. WILLING SAID THAT, BUT YEAH. BUT MR. WAL PATENT ADDED YET THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T NEED IT FOR THE SIDEWALK DEED OF DEDICATION, BUT WE WOULD NEED IT FOR, IF WE WANTED THE BIKE LANE TOO, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. WOULD INCREASE THE COST. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? AND AS MR. WAL SAID, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, UM, YEAH, ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK. LIKE WE WANNA HAVE THE INFORMATION BEFORE WE GO FORWARD. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T, I MEAN, I AND I PERSONALLY, UH, OBVIOUSLY INTERPRETED SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY TOO. SO, UM, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MS. MM ? NO MA'AM. OKAY. ALRIGHT, SO NEXT UP IS, UM, CLOSE ME. WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO READ, UH, SEND A CLOSE MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 2 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSES. ONE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1, SECTION EIGHT THREE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE OR FOR THE OR OF THE DISPOSITION OF PUBLICLY HELD REAL PROPERTY WHERE DISCUSSION IN AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT A BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY. MORE SPECIFICALLY THE CASE BRING AND TWO, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A A OF DAKOTA OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL. MORE SPECIFICALLY, A MEMORANDUM UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE FRONT. ORAL EDA SECOND I WEARING C LOT. YES. COUNCILMAN ABRAM? YES. COUNCILMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPORT? YES. COUNCIL DAMON PAYNE. YES. COUNCIL? YES. OKAY. SO WE ARE MOVING [00:55:01] INTO. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.