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SO, UM, 
          [Liaison Town Hall on January 18, 2024.]
THERE'S FOOD BACK THERE, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT IN CASE ANYBODY RUNS KILLED. 
          DID YOU CHIEF, DID YOU SEE WE GOT FOOD BACK HERE. 
          OH, I'M ALRIGHT HERE. 
          HOPEFULLY I'LL EAT SOME LATER. 
          WE WON'T BRING IT ANYMORE. 
          . 
          UM, YOU GOOD? SO, UM, SO WE'LL CALL THE, UH, FRONT WALL WARREN COUNTY LIAISON MEETING TO ORDER. 
          UM, MS. PRESLEY SHOULD, DO WE NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL? NOT FOR THIS MEETING. 
          'CAUSE IT'S REALLY A, I BELIEVE THEY CALL IT A JOINT COMMITTEE MEETING, AND SO IT HAS DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UH, EXPECTATIONS FOR IT. 
          BUT ANYWAY, UM, SO WE HAVE EIGHT ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, AND THE VERY FIRST ONE, UM, IS, UH, THE TOWN'S SPEED, CAMERA, INSTALLATION AND ENFORCEMENT. 
          UM, I WILL SAY THAT JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S KNOWLEDGE, THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING ARE ALSO IN HERE, IF THAT'S HELPFUL TO ANYBODY. 
          BUT CHIEF, DO YOU MIND STARTING OFF, I THINK OUR AGENDA SAID THAT YOU WERE GONNA GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE SOUND SPEED CAMERAS. 
          SURE. 
          DO YOU WANNA COME UP HERE? WE'LL, YEAH, SURE. 
          GRAB YOUR, GRAB THE VIDEO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          UM, APPRECIATE HAVING A FEW MINUTES. 
          JUST TO UPDATE YOU, I THINK WE HAVE, UH, DISCUSSED THIS TOPIC AD NAUSEUM, , BUT, UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF THINGS, UM, WE'VE BEGUN OUR, UH, PUBLIC EDUCATION, UH, PORTION OF THE PROGRAM. 
          UH, I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S BEEN PUT OUT ON, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          WE HAD SOMETHING IN THAT WAS SENT OUT TO TOWN RESIDENTS AND THE ELECTRIC BILLS, UH, TO KIND OF GIVE A, GIVE A FLAVOR OF WHERE THINGS ARE ARE MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE, UM, WARNING PERIOD TO BEGIN IN MID-FEBRUARY AND THE GO LIVE DATE FOR ACTUAL ENFORCEMENT IN, UM, MID-MARCH. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LINING UP FOR RIGHT NOW. 
          I DON'T HAVE HARD, FAST DATES, UH, BECAUSE ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS NOT BEEN INSTALLED YET. 
          I KNOW PEOPLE SEE SOME OF IT UP AND THEY'RE PROBABLY WAITING TO GET CHRISTMAS CARDS IN THE MAIL FROM US. 
          UM, BUT NOTHING IS HAPPENING YET. 
          THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON PUTTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. 
          UM, AS WE GET CLOSER TO THAT, UH, WE WILL COME, WE'LL, WE'LL COME FORWARD WITH SOME OF THE HARD, FAST DATES AS THEY, AS THEY GET CLOSER. 
          WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING IS, GETS WONKY IN THE SUPPLY CHAIN AND WE'RE GIVING OUT INACCURATE INFORMATION. 
          SO, UM, WERE THERE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PROGRAM? I KNOW, UH, WE'VE HEARD PLENTY, BUT I KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY, IF THE, IF THE COUNTY HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THIS, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NEAR THE SCHOOLS. 
          SO JOHN, I ASKED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS DURING THE DELIBERATIONS ABOUT THIS, AND THEY WERE ALL ANSWERED THOROUGHLY, SO THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THE SAME FOR ME. 
          AND, UM, YEAH, I KNOW, I SEE SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THE, THE CAMERAS ARE ONLY IN THE SCHOOL ZONES. 
          THEY'RE ONLY IN FOUR OF THE SCHOOL ZONES, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, THEY'RE, THE TICKETS WILL ONLY BE ISSUED DURING THE TIMES WHICH THE, UH, FLASHERS ARE ON DURING THE, THE DESIGNATED HOURS BEFORE AND AFTER SCHOOL. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT RUNNING ALL THE TIME. 
          THE PICTURES ARE ONLY TAKEN OF VEHICLES WHEN THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW. 
          IF YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH THERE AT THE SPEED LIMIT, UM, YOUR INFORMATION WILL NOT BE CAPTURED. 
          UM, IT WON'T BE SOLD TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS, I PROMISE YOU THAT. 
          UH, EVERYTHING'S RUN THROUGH THE STATE VISA AND NCIC, SO, AND KAY IS THAT 11 MILES OR OVER OR 10 MILES AN HOUR? 10 MILES OR OVER 10 MILES AN HOUR. 
          YEP. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR JUST CURIOUS? I HEARD, I HEARD THE COMMENT THAT, UM, ONLY DURING SCHOOL HOURS, ONLY DURING THE DISMISSAL AND ARRIVAL TIMES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, AFTER BOARD MEETINGS ON MY WAY HOME, I'M IN 35 AND SUDDENLY COMES UP TO 25 AT THE SCHOOL ZONE. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY STILL 35. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE SCHOOL ZONE, THE REDUCED SPEED IS ONLY DURING THOSE VISIT MEETING TIMES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          IT'S NOT ALL DAY, IT'S NOT ALL NIGHT. 
          IT'S GOOD TO KNOW IT'S NOT DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY. 
          IT'S ONLY DURING ARRIVAL AND DEPARTURE TIMES. 
          EVEN IF THERE IS AN ACTIVITY AT SCHOOL, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD 'CAUSE I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE, EVEN IF THERE WAS AN ACTIVITY AT SCHOOL, UM, IT'S ONLY DURING ARRIVAL AND DISMISSAL, LIKE WHEN KIDS ARE BEING DROPPED OFF AND PICKED UP AND IT, IS IT AN HOUR AND A HALF BEFORE I'M TRYING TO, IT'S AN HOUR AN HOUR BEFORE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UM, UH, TWO OF THE SCHOOLS ARE ELEMENTARY AND THEN TWO ARE SECONDARY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S AN HOUR BEFORE. 
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SO ELEMENTARY HAS A, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT START AND STOP TIME AND SECONDARY IN THE COUNTY, JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT'S AS ROADS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 
          SO STRASSBURG ROAD, WHICH IS A 35 MILE ROAD DURING THE SCHOOL ZONE PERIODS, IT DROPS TO 25. 
          THEN YOU HAVE, UM, SKYLINE MIDDLE SCHOOL, WHICH IS LARAY AVENUE, WHICH IS A 25 MILE AN HOUR ZONE. 
          IT DROPS TO 15 MILES PER HOUR DURING THE SCHOOL ZONE PERIODS. 
          YOU'VE GOT E WILSON ELEMENTARY OR, UM, REST RESTY JEFFRIES ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH IS, UH, ER ROAD, WHICH IS A 25 MILE AN HOUR ZONE. 
          IT DROPS TO 15 DURING THE SCHOOL ZONE TIMES. 
          AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, UH, WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE AT LEACH ONE RUN PARKWAY, WHICH A 35 MILE AN HOUR ZONE DROPS TO 25 DURING THIS, THE, UH, PICKUP DROP OFF TIMES DURING, IN THE, UH, SCHOOL ZONE. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. FA, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. 
          YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK KALE. 
          THE SPEED INDICATORS THAT ARE LIKE, THEY'RE UP ON LEE RUN PARKWAY, THEY'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THE SPEED NO MATTER WHAT TIME OF DAY IT IS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? OR THAT YES. 
          THE ONLY TIME THE TICKETS WILL ISSUE IS WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE FLASHING. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT, BUT THERE WILL AN INDICATION OF WHAT YOUR SPEED IS, NO MATTER WHAT TIME YOU DRIVING, WHICH IS HELPFUL. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHICH IS HELPFUL ALL THE TIME. 
          YEP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO, AND THAT, AND THAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING SOON ONCE THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S IN SO PEOPLE CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SOME OF 'EM ARE ALREADY, HOPEFULLY THEY ADJUST . 
          THAT'S FASTER. 
          THAT'S THE GOAL, IS TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN DURING SCHOOL, SCHOOL TIMES. 
          MR. DALEY OR DR. 
          DALEY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA ASK, SO I'M GONNA VOLUNTEER IT EVEN THOUGH YOU WEREN'T GONNA ASK. 
          'CAUSE I FIGURED SOME PEOPLE WERE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE LAST TWO DAYS WERE SNOW DAYS. 
          NO. 
          SO SCHOOL WAS NOT IN SESSION. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO EVEN THE, IF THE CAMERAS WOULD'VE SNAPPED A PICTURE, OUR, OUR PD. 
          OUR PD. 
          THAT'S WHY THEY LOOK THROUGH THESE. 
          SO THEIR SCHOOL'S NOT IN SESSION. 
          WE WOULD KNOW THAT, OR NOT WE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, LIKE, STAFF WOULD KNOW THAT. 
          SO CORRECT. 
          ON A SNOW DAY. 
          IT'S NOT ANY, YOU KNOW, OR LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT LIKE APPLE BUS AND FRIDAY WHEN SCHOOL IS CLOSED, IF IT'S A TEACHER WORK DAY, THOSE DAYS, UH, CORRECT. 
          THE SCHOOL'S CALENDAR IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE UTILIZED TO SET THE, UH, SET THE CAMERAS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ANYTIME THAT THERE IS A DEVIATION, IF WE HAVE AN HOUR DELAY, TWO HOUR DELAY, I ASK THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF THOSE, IF THOSE, IF THOSE CAMERAS CANNOT BE MODIFIED IN THE TIMEFRAME, TICKETS WILL NOT BE ISSUED ON THOSE DAYS. 
          AND EVERY TICKET TICKET THAT GOES OUT WILL BE VETTED BY AN OFFICER THAT'S TRAINED IN SPEED MEASUREMENT. 
          SO I, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT DUE PROCESS. 
          THE TICKETS ARE ACTUALLY VETTED BY A POLICE OFFICER. 
          THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S BEING USED IS THE SAME TECHNOLOGY THAT ARE IN THE POLICE CARS. 
          THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE'RE LOOKING AT IT ON A CAMERA AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT IT ON A SCREEN IN THE CAR. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. 
          AND AS FAR AS DUE PROCESS GOES, YOU'RE STILL, YOU'RE STILL, UH, WELCOME TO SHOW UP IN COURT AND, UM, ARGUE THE TICKET IF YOU SO CHOOSE. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WITH QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE HAD ON THE LIST WAS THE DELAY OF MAILING TAXES, BILLS. 
          AND UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, WE ACTUALLY TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, AND WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD ENTERTAIN CHANGING THE TAX BILL DUE DATE. 
          UM, DON'T KNOW IF WE, UH, UM, IF WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT ANY FURTHER ABOUT CHANGING THE DUE DATE OR REVIEWING THE CODES. 
          'CAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY IN OUR CODE. 
          THE DATES ARE SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE COULD JUST DO ON OUR OWN. 
          WELL, I MEAN, WE HAVE IN THE PAST PUSHED THEM BACK, BUT IT TOOK, I KNOW FOR US IT TOOK COUNCIL ACTION TO, UM, TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON THAT, TO DELAY THAT. 
          SO IS THERE ANYTHING I'M LEAVING OUT ON THAT MR. WILSON? NO, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. 
          SO DID Y'ALL HAVE ANY FURTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT ABOUT WELL, AS FAR AS I CAN FIND OUT, UH, THE COUNCIL AND THE BOARD ARE ALLOWED TO CHANGE THE DUE DATE. 
          AND I THINK THE SUGGESTION WAS THE 20TH JUST WAS THROWN OUT LAST TIME. 
          THAT'S WHAT I GOT. 
          AND IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT, YOU WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          UH, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE EFFECTIVE A YEAR FROM NOW. 
          BECAUSE MY GUESS IS SHE'S ALREADY GOT THE BILLINGS ORDERED FOR APRIL PRINTED ON THE FLY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE USE THE SAME COMPANY FOR PRINTING. 
          SO, SO WHEN, WHEN WOULD THEY BE PRINTED? UM, NOT UNTIL APRIL OR MAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO 
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I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WHEN WE HAVE EXTENDED THE DUE DATE AT THE COUNTY AND SAY OUR DUE DATE BECOMES THE 20TH, UH, WELL THE DUE DATE DOESN'T CHANGE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. 
          THE DUE DATE STAYS AT THE FIFTH, BUT NO PENALTIES TILL AFTER THE 20TH, WHICH GAVE ME THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS WAS SET AND ALREADY PRINTED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO CAN THE DUE DATE BE CHANGED? MM-HMM. 
          , YEAH. 
          HAVE TO CHANGE ORDINANCES. 
          THE FIFTH ORDINANCES WOULD'VE TO BE CHANGED. 
          THE FIFTH ITSELF COULD BE CHANGED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THEN YOU COULD DO THAT IS, SO BE, UM, SO PROBABLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THAT DO, DOES EACH BODY WANT TO GO BACK TO THEIR RESPECTIVE BODIES AND TALK ABOUT CHANGING THE DATE I OUT OF THE OUTTA THE LAST HOW MANY YEARS? IT'S, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE ALMOST EVERY YEAR. 
          YEAR IT'S BEEN AT LEAST FIVE YEARS, I THINK. 
          SO FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS WE'VE PUSHED IT BACK, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH NO PENALTY FOR THE 20TH MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          AT LEAST ONE OR THE OTHER, IF NOT BOTH REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY, BUT JUST FOR THE JUNE ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          BY THE DECEMBER ONE. 
          IT, BECAUSE THEY'RE HALF YEAR, EVERYBODY KNOWS, LIKE, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT ONE'S COMING. 
          SO IT DOESN'T GIVE PEOPLE A FULL SIX MONTHS. 
          BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO IT IN THERE. 
          I THINK TOO, MAYBE I'M WRONG. 
          WASN'T, DIDN'T WE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT HAS TO, IT HAS TO BE PRIOR TO JULY 1ST. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT HAS TO BE IN THE SAME FISCAL YEAR FOR RECORDING THE RECEIVABLE. 
          YES. 
          SO IT HAS TO BE YEAH. 
          BY, JUST BY JULY 1ST. 
          UM, JUNE 30 WOULD BE TRICKY. 
          PLEASE DON'T DO JUNE 30TH. 
          YEAH, I KNOW. 
          , WHAT IS YOUR OPTIMAL DATE THAT YOU, THAT YOU LOOK TO HAVE, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE AND EVERYTHING FALLS IN THE LINE? WHAT IS THAT DATE THAT YOU WANTED BY? I'M SORRY, BECAUSE YOU AND SHERRY, UM, WORKED TOGETHER, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          TO THE, UM, UM, IT WAS IN THE PRIOR, UH, DOCUMENTS THAT, I DON'T REMEMBER IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          UH, BUT WE HAD IT INCLUDED IN THE PRIOR DOCUMENTS. 
          UM, UH, THE, UM, UH, WE HAD TO HAVE TIME FOR, FOR MAILING AND I BELIEVE IT WAS END OF APRIL, I THINK IS WHAT IT WAS. 
          UM, 'CAUSE WE HAD TO HAVE THE TIME FOR THE PROCESSING AND, AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. 
          UM, AND UH, I BELIEVE WE, UH, THE PAST COUPLE YEARS, WE HADN'T GOTTEN UNTIL MAY. 
          SO IT WAS, UH, THAT'S WHAT, UH, CREATED THE DELAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, UM, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF, UH, STATE CODES AND THINGS THAT ARE, ARE IN THERE. 
          AND I DON'T REMEMBER THOSE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD EITHER, BUT, UM, UM, SO DELAYING IT TO JUNE 20TH WOULD GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CUSHION TO THE COUNTY TO BE ABLE TO GET, TO SET THEIR RATE AND GET THE INFORMATION TO US FOR US TO PRINT HOURS. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S REALLY WHAT WOULD BE, IT NEEDS BE CLEANER THE, RATHER THAN SAYING WE'RE DELAYING THE INTEREST IN PENALTY, UH, 'CAUSE THAT THAT'S THE WORKAROUND. 
          YEAH. 
          LET'S TO SAY WE'RE DELAYING THE INTEREST IN PENALTY. 
          UM, BUT IF WE GO AHEAD AND, AND JUST MOVE THE DATE TO JUNE 20TH OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU THERE, UM, AT LEAST IT'S CLEAR AND, AND WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T CAUSE AS MUCH CONFUSION FOR WHAT I'D LIKE IS IF WE EXTENDED THE, THE COUNTY OR THE TOWN FOR THAT MATTER, DOESN'T JUST EAT UP THAT EXTRA TIME. 
          BUT SOME OF IT GOES TO THE, TO THE TAXPAYER BECAUSE IT WOULD BE NICE FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THEY HAVE LIKE 30 DAYS NOTICE BEFORE THEIR FINANCES ARE GONNA CHANGE IF THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR ESCROW CHANGE OR THEY'RE GOING TO, UM, HAVE TO COME UP WITH EXTRA CASH. 
          UH, IT, IT'S NICE TO GIVE PEOPLE 30 DAYS COURTESY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I AGREE. 
          SO THAT WOULD LEAVE US THE 30 DAYS RIGHT. 
          AS IF WE, BECAUSE WE WERE SAYING, SEE WHAT'S HAPPENED IS WHEN THE STATE WAS LATE ON THEIR BUDGET, THEN THE COUNTY COULDN'T SET THEIR TAX RATE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND ONCE THE COUNTY SETS THEIRS, THEN OURS, OUR OURS IS, WE TAKE THE SAME IN, WE TAKE THE SAME RECORDS IN OUR SYSTEM TO, TO ISSUE OUR BILLS. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE, THE, THE, UM, DELAY HAS BEEN IN THE PAST. 
          RON. 
          SO CAN I JUST ASK ONE, YOU KNOW, PROS, CONS, LIKE I'M HEARING ALL THE PROS ABOUT WHY WE SHOULD DO THAT. 
          IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY CONS TO THIS OTHER THAN JUST THE FACT THAT WE'VE FIF 15 DAYS OF NOT HAVING MONEY? RIGHT? I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF YEAH. 
          FROM THE 1520. 
          THE, UH, THE CONS ARE IS THE, UM, UM, IF YOU WAIT UNTIL, UH, JUNE 20TH AND SAY WE MAKE IT JUNE 20TH AND SAY THERE'S ANOTHER DELAY, IF WE GO PAST THAT JULY 1ST DATE, THEN ALL OF THAT, ALL OF THOSE FUNDS HAVE 
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TO BE BOOKED IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          SO WE'RE TAKING IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A RISK THERE. 
          I MEAN, IF WE SAY IT'S GONNA BE THE 20TH, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE MUCH LEEWAY. 
          AND THEN ON, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, MYSELF, THE COUNTY'S FINANCE OFFICE WILL HAVE TO CLOSE THE BOOKS. 
          SO THAT GIVES US 10 DAYS TO CLOSE THE BOOKS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR END. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING FROM HAVING 25 DAYS TO, UH, FOR PROCESSING TO 10 DAYS. 
          UM, SO THAT MEANS THAT YOU'RE DOING A, UM, A LOT OF EXTRA WORK IN, IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, UH, FOR THAT. 
          SO, SO WOULD, SO WOULD THE 12, WOULD IT BE BETTER THAT INSTEAD OF GOING 15 DAYS, WE ONLY GO SEVEN? OR I MEAN, I KNOW, I'M JUST, I MEAN, IT'S THROWING IT OUT THERE. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT WORK EITHER WAY. 
          I MEAN, YEAH, WE'LL DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE BILLS REFLECTED CORRECTLY, UM, THEN TO KEEP GOING BACK AND SAYING, YES,  PLUS IT IS CONFUSING TO, TO, TO, I, I MEAN, THE LAST FEW YEARS PEOPLE WERE OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GETTING THEM NOW WE GOTTA PAY 'EM AND NEXT, NEXT WEEK. 
          AND THEN PEOPLE WOULD SAY, WELL, IF YOU LOOK ON, THEY'VE ALREADY ANNOUNCED THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA CHARGE A PENALTY. 
          BUT QUESTIONS FROM THE MORTGAGE COMPANIES THAT WE GET, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE MORTGAGE COMPANIES ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WANTING TO PAY THEIR ESCROWS. 
          SO I, I'D RATHER BE CONSISTENT THAN, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR WE'RE GUESSING. 
          WELL, SO OUR RATE, I'M SORRY. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY LEGISLATIVE DAY, WE NEED TO TELL PEOPLE THEY NEED TO CHOP, CHOP IN RICHMOND. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OUR OLD, WELL, UM, OUR RATE DOESN'T IMPACT YOU, DOES IT? WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T GET THE RECORDS. 
          UM, THE COMMISSIONER WILL NOT RELEASE THE RECORDS TO US UNTIL YOU SET YOUR RATE. 
          WHY? I DON'T KNOW, . 
          BECAUSE YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT THIS BOOK OF RECORDS THAT'S INSIDE OUR LARGER BOOK OF RECORDS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND YOU'RE GONNA SET A RATE, WHATEVER THE COUNCIL SETS. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE, I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER. 
          I DON'T, EXCEPT ON THE REASSESSMENT YEARS. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE REASSESSMENT EXTENDS IT, BUT ON A REGULAR YEAR, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU CAN'T HAVE IT. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT MYSELF, . 
          AND I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T GET 'EM UNTIL MAYBE WE'VE ASKED, BUT WE, WE, WE, WE'VE NEVER RECEIVED AN ANSWER, A CLEAR ANSWER. 
          , I THINK YOU NEED TO MEET WITH THEM AND WE'LL BE GLAD TO COME TO THE MEETING IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          SO WOULD WE, SO ARE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT MAYBE WE TRY DIFFERENT AVENUE FIRST AND THEN IF NOT, COME BACK AND REVISIT THE WE TRIED THIS AVENUE THREE MONTHS AGO. 
          THIS IS TRUE. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS THE THIRD TIME IT'S BEEN BROUGHT BACK. 
          SO YEAH, AT THIS POINT I WOULD SUGGEST JUST CHANGING THE, THE DATE, THE DUE DATE. 
          THE DATE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I SAY, OKAY, WE'LL ASK, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA GET OUR RESPECTIVE BOARDS TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          BUT, BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT. 
          IS THAT IT? WHAT HAS SLOWED YOU ALL DOWN IS YOUR, UM, IS NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN YOUR CONTROL. 
          IT'S THE STATE ISSUE. 
          IF WE GET THEM SOONER, IT'S WE'RE, WE WOULD STILL WANT STILL, IT STILL, ONCE WE CHANGE THE CODE, IT'S GONNA BE THE 20TH ANYWAY, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          WE WOULD STILL, WE DID. 
          YES. 
          EXACTLY. 
          IT WOULD STILL BE THE 20TH. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA COME BACK AND CAN WE MOVE THE DATE UP, ? NO, I WOULDN'T DO THAT. 
          SO, UM, ARE, IS THE, WOULD WE NEED TO GET THAT ON OUR AGENDAS, LIKE PROBABLY IN THE FEBRUARY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WAS WE, BY THE TIME WE GET IT THERE, DISCUSS IT A PUBLIC HEARING, WE'D BE LUCKY IF WE GET IT ALL DONE BY APRIL. 
          RIGHT? ? CORRECT. 
           CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THAT'S GOOD THOUGH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO MAYBE YOU'LL, YOU GUYS WILL TAKE IT TO YOUR BOARD AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY AND WE WILL SHARE IT WITH COUNSEL. 
          BUT, BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU. 
          THANK IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO THANK YOU MR. WILSON. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THE NEXT ITEM IS THE MCKAY SPRING, UM, POTENTIAL DIVISION TO SEPARATE THE WATER SOURCE AREA FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SITE. 
          AND, UM, THERE, THERE WERE, UH, DOCUMENTS ATTACHED, UM, WITH THE AGENDA THAT JUST HAD ACTUALLY A WHOLE LOT OF HISTORY ABOUT HOW THAT WENT DOWN. 
          UM, SO THE COUNTY ASKED FOR THIS TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA. 
          UM, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS IN THE PAST, ACTUALLY MULTIPLE TIMES I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, BUT THE LAST TIME WE, WHEN WE DID DISCUSS THIS, SORRY, I WANT TO, UM, WE, UM, TALKED ABOUT, WELL, THE, THE TOWN IS LOOKING AT, UM, THE WATER, YOU KNOW, THERE AND, AND 
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NOT DISTURBING ANY OF THAT FOOTPRINT. 
          SO MR. WALTZ, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THIS AT ALL OR DO YOU YEAH. 
          FOR, YEAH, DO YOU MIND? UM, THE TOWN'S POSITION HASN'T CHANGED SINCE OCTOBER. 
          UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD TO EXPLORE THE FEASIBILITY OF USING THAT IN THE CASE SPRINGS AS WELL AS AN ADDITIONAL MAYBE GROUND WELL ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          UH, WE STILL BELIEVE THAT IS A VIABLE WATER SOURCE THAT CAN ADD TO OUR SYSTEM. 
          AND SO AT THIS POINT, UH, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH DOING SOME PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING AND, UM, MOVING FORWARD WITH TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT WOULD COST TO PUT A PACKAGE WATER PLANT AT THE CASE SPRINGS. 
          WHAT COULD THAT TYPE OF FACILITY DO TO THE SURROUNDING, UH, WELLS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA? UM, THAT WILL HAVE TO BE, UM, INVESTIGATED PART OF THIS PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING. 
          WE'LL JUST, WE WILL, WE'LL CHECK OUT HOW WELL THAT GROUNDWATER IS. 
          WHAT WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR GROUND? WELL, UH, CURRENTLY THAT, UH, THAT SPRING THERE PRODUCES ABOUT 750,000 GALLONS A DAY, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT WHEN OUR TOTAL WATER USE TODAY IS ABOUT 1.9 MILLION. 
          UH, BUT WE'RE STILL AT THE EARLY STAGES OF INVESTIGATING THIS, MAKING SURE THAT, THAT WE CAN PUT IT ON THAT PROPERTY, MAKING SURE THAT IT CAN HANDLE THAT. 
          SO WE'RE JUST REALLY AT THE EARLY STAGES OF THAT. 
          SO THE SPRING, UM, FEEDS INTO WHAT IS THAT LITTLE TRIBUTARY THERE? UM, AND THEN DOES THAT, WHERE DOES THAT GET IN TO THE RIVER OR DOES, WHERE DOES IT GO FROM THERE? THAT'S A LOT OF WATER TO, I'M TRYING TO, RIGHT. 
          THAT IS A LOT OF WATER. 
          AND I'M NOT FOR SURE WHAT THAT WATERSHED IS AND WHERE, BUT I'M ASSUMING IT WOULD RETURN BACK TO THE CDO AND ENDED UP TELLING ME, TRYING TO VISUALIZE THAT. 
          I MEAN, I, I'VE BEEN BY THIS PROPERTY AND I REMEMBER WHEN THE LITTLE STORE WAS THERE, USED TO STOP, UM, THERE FREQUENTLY. 
          AND I, YOU KNOW, I JUST CAN'T VISUALIZE THE SPRING. 
          AND, UM, KNOWING THE LITTLE BITS OF SPRINGS THAT WE HAVE ON OUR PROPERTY, THEY CAN BE A LITTLE BIT OF A PAIN WHEN THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HAYFIELD TYPE THING. 
          SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS, IS THERE A SWAMPY AREA THAT THAT CREATES BEFORE IT GETS INTO THAT LITTLE STREET? THERE'S A LITTLE SPRING HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY WHERE THE SPRING COMES UP AND LIKE YOU SAY, THERE'S A CREEK THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT LEADS TO OR NOT. 
          I WILL SAY I VISITED THAT SITE IN SEPTEMBER IN OUR EXTREME DROUGHT CONDITIONS AND IT WAS FLOWING VERY WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO OF THE 750,000 GALLONS PER DAY, ARE YOU THINKING THE TOWN WOULD CONSUME ALL OF THAT? WELL, UM, THIS WOULD JUST ADD REDUNDANCY TO OUR WATER NETWORK, UM, WOULD BE ANOTHER SOURCE. 
          UH, WE ARE PERMITTED TO PULL 4 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OUTTA THE CDO RIVER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THIS IS MORE DIVERSIFYING OUR WATER SOURCE IN CASE SURFACE WATER. 
          THE C CDO RIVER DREW UP, WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO OTHER WATER SUCH AS THE GROUND. 
          WELL, OR THAT NATURAL SPRING. 
          AND YOU WOULD JUST ADD A, A PIPE SOMEWHERE TO GET IT BACK. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE HAVE WATER PIPES ALREADY ALONG THAT ROAD, SO IT'D JUST BE ANOTHER CONNECTION AND A LITTLE BIT MORE REDUNDANCY OUT THERE AS WELL. 
          AND HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT, I MEAN, I KNOW IN, IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD PEOPLE INTERESTED IN, LIKE HARDEE'S WAS INTERESTED IN THAT. 
          HOW IS THAT GONNA AFFECT THE DEVELOPMENT? BECAUSE I, I'M, I KNOW I'VE BEEN SHOWN, BUT I CAN'T SEE EXACTLY WHERE THAT SPRING IS ON THIS IN WITH THAT AFFECT A DEVELOPMENT OF THE DESIGN. 
          IT IS, UH, RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE EXPLORING GROUND WELLS BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF THAT SPRAYING TO SEE THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          BUT WE DO BELIEVE WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO HAVE A BUFFER. 
          AND SO IT'D BE A PACKAGE PLANT. 
          YOU REALLY WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS DOING THERE BESIDES BEING A BRICK BUILDING AND DOWN, UM, BEHIND, IF YOU LOOK DOWN BEHIND MCDONALD'S, THERE'S A BILL, IS THAT A PACKING PLANT DOWN THERE? THAT IS A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PUMP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NORMALLY YOU PUT THOSE IN THE LOWEST POINT WHERE SEWER WILL COME DOWN AND IT PUMPS IT BACK UP, PUMP SEWER BACK UP TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          OKAY. 
          I DID, I WASN'T SURE. 
          I KNEW IT WAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH YOUR, UH, BUT, UM, WHO IS DOING YOUR ENGINEERING IN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY? UH, MOST LIKELY CHA WHO IS OUR, UM, ENGINEERING CONSULTANT, ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER. 
          SO WHAT, UM, MR. WAL IS TALKING ABOUT, IS THIS THE PART THAT THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL OWNS AND THAT SPACE, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT CORRECT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          POINT FOUR NINE ACRES. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST THERE'S BEEN, TALK ABOUT THE OTHER PIECES. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OF THE LAND. 
          UM, AND MR. WAGS, I KNOW WE CAN'T GUARANTEE IT, BUT, BUT OUR, OUR THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD ALL BE CONTAINED IN THAT SPOT RIGHT THERE ON THE LAND 
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THAT WE OWN. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO IT WOULDN'T DISTURB THE 9.03 ACRES THAT WE OWN TOGETHER, OR THE 0.95 ACRES THAT'S REALLY ON THE CORNER OF RELIANCE ROAD AND FIVE 20 MILE FIVE CALL 5 22, BUT WINCHESTER ROAD. 
          UM, SO, AND THEN OF COURSE YOU ALL OWN THAT TWO POINT OR TWO AND 600 TENTHS OF AN AC, THE BORDERS RELIANCE ROAD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, UM, I DON'T, IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSS, DO WE WANNA DISCUSS THIS FURTHER OR, UM, I MEAN WE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT SEVERAL TIMES ACTUALLY. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT IT WHEN WE FIRST GOT, WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL, AND YOU WERE FIRST ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT IT QUITE A BIT. 
          BUT IS THE IDEA THAT, UM, OR YOU ALL, I SAY YOU ALL BUT, UM, READY TO MARKET THIS PROPERTY AND, AND, AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW TO DISPERSE IT OR, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT ANYBODY ON THE SPOT. 
          I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT DO WE ADD IT BACK TO ANOTHER AGENDA? DO WE GET, ARE WE AT THE POINT WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, SO IF WE'RE SAYING THAT, IF WE'RE TELLING YOU ALL THAT THIS 3.419 ACRES, WE REALLY, UM, COUN, UH, COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE IS, OR NOT PREROGATIVE, THE, THE DIRECTION IS WE WANNA PRESERVE THAT AREA. 
          UM, RIGHT THERE. 
          WE WOULDN'T BE DOING ANYTHING WITH THAT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS THAT WE WANNA DISCUSS WHAT TO DO WITH THE REST OF IT. 
          I MEAN, HONESTLY, OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, THERE HAS BEEN A MULTITUDE OF THINGS. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT MARKETING IT TOGETHER AND SOMEBODY DID TALK ABOUT BUYING IT. 
          I CAN REMEMBER THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL ASKED US, DO WE WANNA BUY YOU OUT? YOU KNOW, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, VICE VERSA. 
          BUT, UM, I KNOW MR. PETTY HAS TALKED ABOUT THIS MULTIPLE TIMES WITH US AS WELL. 
          SO ARE WE, ARE ARE, DO WE STILL WANNA KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS? IS THERE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WANT US TO TAKE BACK TO, YOU KNOW, TO OUR RESPECTIVE BOARDS TO, TO MAKE ANY KIND OF DECISION? OR DO WE JUST KEEP LEAVING IT THERE AND WE TALK ABOUT IT IN THE FUTURE? I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A DIRECTION. 
          LIKE, SO WE, UM, AS YOU SAID, WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS. 
          I KNOW WE'VE HAD MEETINGS AND HAD IT ALL DRAWN OUT YEAH. 
          AND WHAT THE DEVELOPER WANTED AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AND THE TOWN WAS THIS, THEN THE COUNTY WAS THAT. 
          AND WE WERE ALL SET TO DO IT. 
          AND WE PULL IT OUT IF WE, WHEN, UM, THE TOWN IS SURE THAT THEY WANT, THEY WANT TO RETAIN THEIR PARCEL MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SELLING THEIR INTEREST IN THE JOINT PIECE ON THE CORNER. 
          THEN WE, THE COUNTY COULD TAKE THAT, CONSOLIDATE IT WITH THE PIECE THAT'S OVER HERE ON RELIANCE ROAD AND WE COULD MARKET THAT PIECE. 
          IT'S WOULD BE ALMOST LIKE THREE EIGHT, WELL, IT'D BE 3.01 IF YOU PUT THOSE TWO, PUT THOSE TWO OH PIECE TOGETHER. 
          SO YOU'RE ONLY TALKING, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THINKING THAT THAT PIECE WOULD BE THE ONE YOU WANNA MARKET. 
          BECAUSE I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHO'S BUYING ALL THAT BACK THERE, BUT I CAN SEE, I CAN SEE HOW THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY WOULD BE, UH, COULD, COULD BE POPULAR. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT THERE. 
          I CAN SEE THE BACK NINE IF YOU ARE MAKING FOR A NICE PARK ACTUALLY. 
          UM, AND BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE WATER FEATURES, UM, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE COULD INVESTIGATE. 
          UH, AND THEN IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, UM, IT MIGHT AFFECT WHAT WOULD BE THE OPTICAL USE FOR THE 3.01 ON THE, ON THE CORNER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND A LOT OF THE BAG PARCEL IS IN THE VARIOUS FLOOD ZONES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE OPEN FOR EXTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT COULD BE A PARK LIKE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THE PIECE UP HERE ON THE CORNER, IF, UH, WHEN YOU FINISH YOUR WORK, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO SAY THAT YOU CAN SELL YOUR INTEREST IN THIS, THEN WE COULD PUT THESE TWO TOGETHER AND DO SOMETHING ON THE CORNER PER SE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          HAVE YOU ONLY HAD INTEREST IN FAST FOOD? 'CAUSE NOTHING AGAINST FAST FOOD, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A, A LOAD OF IT IN THE TOWN. 
          IS THERE OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT LOOKING AT IT OR THIS WAS A DIFFERENT COMPANY? MM-HMM. 
          . 
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YEAH. 
          AND I KNOW WHEN DIFFERENT PEOPLE WERE INTERESTED IN IT BEFORE THEY WOULDN'T LET US TALK ABOUT IT. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M, I MEAN, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE, BUT, BUT THE ONLY ONES I, YOU KNOW, HEARD ABOUT WERE THE, I MEAN, IT DEFINITELY, I COULD SEE HOW THAT COULD BE A, UM, YOU KNOW, A POPULAR AREA THERE. 
          IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE OTHER, UM, YEAH. 
          DEVELOP, LIKE, UM, I CALL IT A STRIP MALL, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY 'CAUSE THERE'S A BED IN THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT, UM, BUT ANYWAY, YEAH. 
          IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO HAVE IF WE WERE GONNA TO, IF YOU WERE GONNA DEVELOP IT, TO HAVE SOMETHING OTHER THAN, LIKE I SAID, A FAST FOOD, IT WOULD, THE PROPOSAL WOULD DEFINITELY, UH, EXPAND THE VARIETY. 
          OKAY. 
          THE CHIMNEY THAT IS THERE, IS, IS THAT IN YOUR, UM, 3.4? UM, OR DOES THAT OFFSET BACK TO THE I THINK IT'S IN THE BEHIND IT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, I'M NOT GONNA SWEAR TO IT, BUT I THINK IT IS. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK IT'S IN THIS, THE NINTH, IT'S IN THIS CORNER. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING THAT IT WAS. 
          BECAUSE ISN'T THAT, UM, SOMETHING THAT YOU, WE HAVE TO RESERVE OR PROTECT OR SOMETHING? YOU HAVE A HISTORIC SITE. 
          HISTORIC HISTORIC AREA. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE ONE THAT YOU SEE FROM THE ROAD IS NOT THE, THE OLD HOMESTEAD THAT THE WHOLE HOMESTEAD'S ACTUALLY BACK IN THE WOODS, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT. 
          SO. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I, THAT ONE DOES HAVE IN THE PROPERS AND DISCUSSIONS IN THE REZOS OF PROTECTION, I THINK OF A HALF AN ACRE. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK IT'S IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IN OUR AGENDA. 
          UM, SO THOSE ALL HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED THERE TOO. 
          BUT, AND I KNOW, AND I'M SURE YOU ALL WERE APPROACHED IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE WERE. 
          I THINK THERE WAS LIKE SOME FAMILY CONNECTION THAT HAD REACHED OUT ABOUT WANTING TO SECURE IT AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BUILD ON IT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT, UM, BUT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE WATER SITUATION AND OBVIOUSLY THIS LAST SUMMER, IT EVEN MAGNIFIED WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, WE, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE TOWN IS, I, I DON'T THINK THE TOWN IS INTERESTED IN, IN, IN, UH, IN GIVING UP THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL WATER SOURCE THERE. 
          SO HE'S BEEN MAINTAINING THE, UM, THE, THE, UM, ANY OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY THAT ARE THERE. 
          I MEAN, HAVE WE BEEN DOING ANYTHING WITH THEM? HISTORIC? THE HISTORIC, I DON'T THINK THERE IS A BUILDING. 
          IT'S A CHIMNEY. 
          IT'S, UH, YEAH, IT'S THE COUNTY SHORTED UP WITH SOME METAL FABRICATION OUTSIDE OF THAT. 
          THERE'S BEEN NO, YEAH, UNCLE, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING THERE. 
          THERE'S NOTHING REALLY LEFT THAT'S RUINED. 
          THERE IS A FIRE THAT TOOK, TOOK OUT THE STRUCTURE THAT YES, THAT IS ACCURATE. 
          THAT'S A STORY FOR A DIFFERENT DAY, SALLY. 
          BUT YEAH, TOO BAD IT'S STILL NOT THERE. 
          BUT, BUT AS FAR AS LIKE DO YOU MEAN LIKE TAKING CARE OF THE GRASS? NO, I, NO, I WAS THINKING OF, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A STRUCTURE. 
          UM, I KNEW THAT THERE WAS STILL THE CHIMNEY THERE. 
          'CAUSE YOU CAN SEE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I MEAN, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF STRUCTURE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE. 
          SO, UM, SO MOVING FORWARD, I THINK THAT THAT ITEM IS, AFTER WE GATHER THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND LET YOU ALL KNOW WHAT, HOW MUCH OF THAT FOOTPRINT IS, IS THAT A REASONABLE THING TO SAY THAT WE'LL, AND, AND, UH, BE ABLE TO TELL YOU MORE AT THAT TIME. 
          IF THAT LITTLE CORNER THAT, THAT WE SHARE TOGETHER, WE'D BE WILLING TO SELL. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT THE, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
           THAT, THAT'S THE IDEA. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I'LL, I WILL, WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL CONFIRM WITH MY ENGINEER THAT WE WILL NOT NEED ANY MORE THAN THOSE ACRES, THAT 3.4 ACRES FOR THE PLANT. 
          I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE THAT AN GET THAT ANSWER IN A COUPLE WEEKS AND THEN, THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD YOUR REQUEST TO COUNTY COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I, I AM, I'M HOPING THEY DO A REALLY THOROUGH STUDY. 
          'CAUSE I, I HAVE QUESTIONS BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY, UH, WHOSE WELLS COULD BE AFFECTED. 
          UM, AS WELL AS I, I JUST KNOW THAT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU TAP A SPRING, IF YOU, IF YOU PUMP THAT SPRING REALLY HARD, YOU CAN CREATE SINKHOLES ELSEWHERE. 
          UM, SO THINGS LIKE THAT, WE, WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT AS WELL AS IF YOU'RE DRAWING WATER THAT WOULD BE GOING INTO THE CREEK, HOW MUCH DOES THAT REDUCE THE FLOW AND WHAT DOES THAT AFFECT PEOPLE DOWNSTREAM? WE HAVE A NATIONAL FIRM THAT WORKS FOR, I'M PRETTY SURE WE'LL BE ABLE TO, BUT WE'LL ADDRESS ALL THOSE. 
          LIKE I SAID, WE ARE REALLY AT THE, THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THE EVALUATION OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          BUT IT IS A VIABLE SOURCE THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO INVESTIGATE FURTHER. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I KNOW PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS CONCERNED WHEN, UM, WHEN THERE'S ANY KIND OF 
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DEVELOPMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I, I CAN REMEMBER WHEN DEVELOPMENT WAS HAPPENING OUT THERE AT RELIANCE AND, UM, AND VERY, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY OUT THERE WAS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT, EVEN WHEN THE GOLF COURSE CAME, EVERYTHING THAT WENT OUT THERE, PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR WELLS DRIVE. 
          MY UNCLE BEING ONE OF 'EM. 
          THAT'S, I REMEMBER TO SEE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE LAST BIG CONCERN WOULD BE CONTAMINATION AND RISK. 
          UM, WHEN YOU HAVE GROUNDWATER, UH, OR SURFACE WATER GETTING CONNECTED TO GROUNDWATER, THERE'S ALWAYS A CONCERN ABOUT THAT. 
          AND, UH, UH, I MEAN, JUST I THINK MR. WATTS, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS AT ONE TIME. 
          THEY ACTUALLY ACTUALLY SAID THE WATER AT MCKAY SPRINGS WASN'T LIKE ONE OF THE PUREST SOURCES OF, IT WAS ONE OF THE PUREST AQUIFERS AROUND. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT, ONE TO NUMBER FIVE. 
          UM, SO THE COUNTY ASKED TO ADD THIS, UH, THE SUMMARY SAYS SEVERAL CALLS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED BY TENANT CONSTITUENTS ABOUT LIVING CONDITIONS AND LACK OF ENFORCEMENT OF VIRGINIA LAW AND LOCAL BUILDING ORDINANCES. 
          IT IS REQUESTED TO BEGIN THE DISCUSSION OF HOW THE TOWN AND COUNTY CAN ADDRESS AND RESOLVE THESE COMPLAINTS. 
          SO, UM, MY QUESTION IS, ARE ARE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED CALLS ABOUT THINGS THAT WERE IN TOWN OR IN COUNTY? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE BRINGING IT TO US, IT WOULD, UH, IT WOULD BE 'CAUSE IF IT WAS COUNTY, Y'ALL WOULD BE ADDRESSING IT ALL BY YOURSELF. 
          RIGHT. 
          THIS IS MRS. COOK'S ITEM, MA'AM. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UM, I GET CALLS FROM BOTH AND, UM, AND SO THERE, YOU KNOW, I, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BRING IT UP TOO. 
          AND I'M SORRY, MY, MY EYES ARE KIND OF, ARE NOT WORKING VERY WELL. 
          BUT ANYWAY, JUST TO GIVE JUST A QUICK HISTORY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I GET CALLS FROM PEOPLE FROM THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LIVING CONDITIONS THAT THEY, THEY LIVE IN. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE RENTERS, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
           YOU. 
          SO THEY'VE GOT MOLD ISSUES AND THEY GOT WATER DAMAGE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THESE ARE SINGLE BOMBS OR, OR PEOPLE TAKING CARE OF YOUNG KIDS AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          YOU KNOW? SO WHEN, WHAT I'M FINDING IS THAT WHEN THEY, THEY CAN, UM, UH, ASK THE LANDLORDS TO COME IN AND REPAIR, YOU KNOW, ALL THE LANDLORDS, YOU KNOW, AND THIS HAS BEEN A PATTERN, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S TO HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT MAYBE FIVE, FIVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CALLED ME. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THEY EITHER THEY IGNORE THEIR REQUESTS, YOU KNOW, OR YOU KNOW, THEY, UM, THEY THREATEN, YOU KNOW, TO EVICT THEM, WHICH I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AND AS PART OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, YOU'RE GONNA BE REVIEWING OUR PRIORITIES FOR THIS CALENDAR YEAR. 
          AND ONE OF THE PRIORITIES IS HOMELESSNESS. 
          HOW ARE WE GONNA HANDLE THAT? SO YOU HAVE A SINGLE MOTHER WITH TWO KIDS AND, AND THEY COULD BE, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, CHALLENGED AND THEY COMPLAINED TO A LANDLORD, AND THE LANDLORD SAYS, WE'LL, FINE, THEN, YOU KNOW, I'LL EVICT YOU. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT THEN THAT, WHERE'S THAT MOM GO? THEY, THEY BECOME HOMELESS AS WELL, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, I MEAN, THERE WAS ONE TENANT, AND THIS WAS A COUNTY PERSON, UH, EXCEPT WHEN SHE, UH, COMPLAINED TO THE LANDLORD, THEY, SHE CUT OFF THE OIL AND GAVE IT AN EXCUSE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT THE OIL, THE, THE TANK WASN'T MADE FOR TWO APARTMENTS AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          YOU KNOW? SO I, I LITERALLY WENT OUT AND ASKED PEOPLE FOR, FOR HEATERS BECAUSE SHE HAD TWO CHILDREN, YOU KNOW? SO, YOU KNOW, IT, WHEN I WHEN I GET CALLS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, UM, I ASK THEM, I GO, YOU KNOW, THEY TELL ME THAT I'M KIND OF LIKE THEIR GLASS RESORT. 
          THEY CALL UP YOUNGIN, THEY CALL UP MYRA, THEY CALL UP BUILDING INSPECTOR, THEY CALL EVERYBODY AND EVERYONE JUST SAYS, WE'RE SORRY. 
          WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING FOR YOU. 
          SO, UM, I, I JUST, JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, YOU KNOW, BUT I AM HOPING, YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, UH, PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAVE AN ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, WE DO HAVE A TENANT, YOU KNOW, UH, LANDLORD TENANT ACT. 
          IT'S CODIFIED SAYING WHAT LANDLORDS CAN DO AND WHAT TENANTS CAN DO. 
          AND, AND IT WORKS BOTH WAYS TOO. 
          I'M NOT JUST PICKING ON JUST THE LANDLORDS, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE THIS CODE, BUT YET SOMEHOW LOCALLY, WE CAN'T HELP THESE PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, THAT NEED SOME TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, CALLING BUILDER INSPECTORS, I MEAN, GIVE THEM A HOTLINE OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO HELP THEM OUT. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I I, MY HEART GOES OUT TO, YOU KNOW, THESE, THE, THESE FAMILIES THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT GET BULLIED BY SOME OF THESE LANDLORDS OUT HERE. 
          YOU KNOW? SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, BUT I, I THINK IT'S A TOWN AND COUNTY, UM, YOU KNOW, ISSUE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S CLEAR NOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          SO IF YOU DON'T MIND OR NOT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M GONNA ASK YOU THAT. 
          LAUREN, DO 
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YOU MIND JUST, UH, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THE, CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY, AT LEAST FROM THE TOWN LEVEL, IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT ABOUT A BUILDING, WHAT HAPPENS AND WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE? 'CAUSE THAT MIGHT BE, UM, THAT MIGHT BE, I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE THE ANSWERS, I'M SAYING BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          PEOPLE'S PERCEPTION OF WHO'S IN CHARGE OF DOING SOMETHING. 
          LIKE CAN YOU FIX THIS? CAN YOU FIX THAT? UM, LAUREN AND, AND MONICA. 
          MONICA, DO YOU MIND? SORRY. 
          SURE. 
          DO YOU MIND ME PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT? CAN, CAN YOU COME UP HERE OR WOULD YOU, I KNOW WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT TO YOU, MONICA. 
          MONICA'S LIKE, I JUST CAME WITH MORE  AND ALSO SPECIFY IF THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE, UM, IN TERMS OF HOW MANY UNITS THE LANDLORD OWNS, IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF LEGAL D KNOW, 'CAUSE LIKE I KNOW FAIR HOUSING, IT USED TO BE THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE LIKE FOUR RENTALS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO IF THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE, I CAN GIVE VERY GENERAL, AND MONICA'S GONNA HAVE TO GO INTO THE DETAILS BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE OPERATING, UH, WE HAVE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          MONICA'S THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE OFFICIAL. 
          AND SO WE ARE COMPLAINT BASED ONLY. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY CALLS THE DEPARTMENT, THEY COME IN, THEY SEND US AN EMAIL, AND THEY SET UP A TIME FOR MONICA TO COME IN AND DO AN INSPECTION. 
          WE GO OUT, WE DO THAT. 
          SHE ISSUES A LETTER IF NEED BE. 
          UM, AND, AND WE START WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS ZONING PERMITS WE REQUIRE. 
          THAT'S PART OF THE REMEDY. 
          THEN THEY NEED TO COME IN AND THEY NEED TO APPLY FOR PERMITS. 
          IF THEY NEED BUILDING PERMITS, SHE CAN STATE ON THE LETTER THAT THEY MAY NEED, THAT YOU MAY NEED TO APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT. 
          AND THEY, AT THAT POINT, IT GETS KICKED INTO THE COUNTY'S REALM. 
          AND I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTROL AT THAT POINT. 
          ONCE IT, OF A BUILDING REQUIREMENT, A BUILDING PERMIT IS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE REMEDY. 
          AND WHEN YOU SAY A BUILDING PERMIT, YOU MEAN LIKE, IF YOU ALL GO IN AND YOU SEE A NEED, YOU KNOW, I, I WON'T EVEN THROW OUT EXAMPLES 'CAUSE I DON'T, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WATER LEAKING OR MOLD ISSUE OR THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU ALL WOULD ISSUE. 
          YOU WOULD LET THEM KNOW THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED. 
          AND THEN THEY, AND THEN YOU LET THEM KNOW THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT TO FIX THAT. 
          OR GO AHEAD MONICA. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH, SO, UM, I CAN GIVE A COUPLE EXAMPLES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY A SPECIFIC ADDRESS, BUT THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, WE MIGHT EVEN KNOW, BUT THAT'S OKAY. 
          KEEP GOING. 
          WARREN AVENUE, THERE WAS A STRUCTURE, THE, THE BRICK, THE OUTSIDE OF THE BRICK WAS COMING AWAY FROM THE STRUCTURE. 
          AND IN CONVERSATION WITH A CONTRACTOR WHO HAD BEEN TO THAT PROPERTY, UM, I KNEW THAT AN ENGINEER HAD TAKEN A LOOK. 
          SO I REQUESTED A COPY OF THE ENGINEERING REPORT. 
          AND WHEN I WAS CALLED TO GO TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE INSPECTION, WHEN I SENT THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, I, I STATED IN THERE THAT A BUILDING PERMIT AND TOWN ZONING PERMIT WOULD REQUIRE BECAUSE THE FIX, THEY'D EITHER, THEY HAD OPTIONS, THEY COULD EITHER REMOVE THE BRICK OR ANCHOR IT. 
          AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT. 
          AND I HAVE MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS OFFICE. 
          SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          BUT BEFORE I  THE LETTER, I'LL ALWAYS REACH OUT TO THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS OFFICE AND VERIFY, WHICH IS THE COUNTY. 
          THE COUNTY, EXACTLY, YES. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA PUT SOMETHING IN A, IN MY LETTER THAT ISN'T FACTUAL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TOTALLY UP TO DATE BEAM'S OFFICE, WHETHER A PERMIT IS REQUIRED. 
          BUT I LIKE TO PUT IN MY LETTERS THAT YOU MAY NEED TO CONTACT THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS OFFICE AND PULL THE PROPER PERMITS IF REQUIRED. 
          AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO, TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND, AND DO SO. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? THAT WOULD BE UP TO DAVID BEAM'S OFFICE TO ENFORCE. 
          THEY THEY WOULD SO YOU WOULD YOU I COMMUNICATE WITH THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. 
          SO I WAS COMMUNIC. 
          SO IF YOU DO AN INSPECTION MM-HMM. 
           AND YOU LET THEM KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S WRONG MM-HMM. 
          , THEN YOU, YOU LET THEM KNOW. 
          BUT IT'S ALSO LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND COMMUNICATED WITH THE, AND SOMETIMES WE DO JOINT INSPECTIONS HAS BEEN ON INSPECTIONS WITH THE WARRANT RESCUE AND, UM, THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS OFFICE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE SEEING FIRSTHAND AS WELL WHAT, WHAT IS RIGHT HAPPENING. 
          BUT, BUT AFTER SOMETHING LIKE THAT, NOW, OBVIOUSLY IF IT HAPPENS IN THE COUNTY, IT WOULD, IT WOULD START WITH THEM. 
          YOU'RE JUST RIGHT. 
          NO, I GET THAT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING 'CAUSE SHE WAS MENTIONING SOME THINGS WERE, SOME SITUATIONS WERE IN THE COUNTY, BUT IF IT HAPPENS IN THE TOWN MM-HMM. 
           WE CAN DO UP TO THIS LEVEL. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT, BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS A BUILDING PERMIT, THAT WOULD BE WARREN. 
          SO WARREN COUNTY AND THEN WHO FOLLOWS THEIR OFFICE HAS TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE HOME OR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND I DO WANNA, 
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UH, ALSO POINT OUT THAT I HAVE TO BE RENTED PERMISSION TO GO IN TO DO THE INSPECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'VE RECEIVED PHONE CALLS MULTIPLE OCCASIONS THAT, THAT PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT CERTAIN ITEMS, BUT THEY'RE NOT GIVING ME THEIR NAME. 
          THEY'RE NOT GIVING ME THEIR ADDRESS. 
          THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO LET ME IN. 
          THEY WANT ME TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, BUT THEY DON'T WANNA, THEY DON'T WANNA LET ME IN. 
          WHEN YOU MEET, LIKE, I'M JUST, SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT A RENTER LIKE A RENT. 
          YOU. 
          SO, SO IF, IF I'M A PROPERTY OWNER AND I HAVE RENTERS MM-HMM. 
          , I CAN GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO BE IN THERE OR ONLY THE PERSON WHO'S ON THE LEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THE TENANT IS THE ONE THAT WANTS ME TO COME IN. 
          SURE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          BUT YES, EITHER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE TENANT CAN GIVE ME PERMISSION AND I DO HAVE A, A FORM THAT I ASK THEM TO SIGN. 
          OKAY. 
          BEFORE I ENTER. 
          OKAY? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, SO IF THERE IS A TENANT MM-HMM. 
           IN THE TOWN, I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, COUNTY, BUT IN THE TOWN. 
          SO THE TENANT CAN GO TO, TO THE PLANNING AND MAKE A COMPLAINT. 
          IF THE LANDLORD, I HAVE MOLD AND THE LANDLORD IS, WE DON'T REGULATE MOLD, BUT, BUT YES, THEY COULD COME TO THE OFFICE AND, AND MAKE A COMPLAINT. 
          WATER OF DAMAGE OR LEAD PAINT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OR OKAY. 
          THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I'M SURE YOUR ORDINANCE WILL HAVE A LIST OF THINGS THAT THEY CAN COME TO, TO COMPLAINT, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          SO THE TENANT COMES TO, TO YOUR DEPARTMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          MAKES A COMPLAINT. 
          NOW WHAT, WHEN YOU SAY MAKE A COMPLAINT, A COMPLAINT AGAINST THE LANDLORD OR IS IT A COMPLAINT THAT THE LIVING CONDITIONS ARE NOT TO CODE? RIGHT. 
          SO IT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT THE LANDLORD ALL THEY WANT, BUT I DON'T REGULATE, YOU KNOW WHAT THE LANDLORD ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THEN I HAVE TO SEE A, A VIOLATION OF THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          OKAY. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          AND SO THEY COME IN AND MAKE A COMPLAINT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU DOCUMENT IT, YOU GO OUT THERE AND THEN YOU, UM, YOU, YOU WRITE IT UP. 
          IF, IF IT'S IN VIOLATION WITH ANY OF YOUR REGULATIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU WRITE IT UP AND THEN YOU SUBMIT IT TO THE LANDLORD? I MAIL IT TO THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SAME THING. 
          PROPERTY OWNER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU SEND IT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN THEY ARE ON NOTICE TO FIX IT. 
          NOW WHEN YOU SEND IT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHAT ENFORCEMENTS DO YOU HAVE? YOU HAVE TO DO IT IN 90 DAYS. 
          DO YOU GET FINED? WHAT IS THAT? I HAVE TO GIVE THEM REASONABLE TIME. 
          A REASONABLE TIME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THAT'S IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE SAYS. 
          REASONABLE TIME. 
          WHAT IS YOUR REASONABLE TIME? IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE SITUATION IS. 
          SO IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A LARGER REPAIR, YOU'D MM-HMM. 
          , YOU'D GIVE THEM MORE TIME. 
          IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A, I WON'T SAY A QUICK FIX, BUT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A PLUMBING ISSUE, OKAY, YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS FIXED IN A COUPLE WEEKS. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S MAJOR, THEY WOULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN WHAT WAS THE NEXT PART, MS. COOK? WELL, THAT'S WHERE IT STOPS. 
          YOU JUST GIVE THEM A REASON AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          AND SO WHAT IS THE, AND THEN I'LL FOLLOW UP. 
          I'LL DO A REINSPECTION. 
          A REINSPECTION EVERY WHAT THE 90 DAYS, 30 DAYS? DEPENDS ON WHAT I PUT, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON THE TIMEFRAME THAT I, I PUT IN THE LETTER. 
          THERE'S A GOOD BIT OF DISCRETION THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS, BUT WE DO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY WHEN YOU LETTER, SO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT IS. 
          BUT THEN, BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF, IF IT, AFTER THAT MM-HMM. 
           IF THEY HAVEN'T, OR EVEN IF THEY HAVE, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES A BUILDING PERMIT, THEN, THEN MR. BEAM'S OFFICE IS THE ONE WHO HAS TO COME AND DO THE INSPECTION ONCE THEY APPLY FOR THEIR BUILDING PERMIT WITH THE COUNTY. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          CONTACT THE COUNTY TO DO A BUILDING INSPECTION, WHICH IS SEPARATE FROM THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE INSPECTION. 
          SO IF I'M RIDING DOWN ROYAL AVENUE AND I SEE A BUILDING WHERE MULTIPLE WINDOWS RIGHT NOW WITH THE WEATHER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THE, IT'S COLD. 
          MULTIPLE PANES ARE, THE WINDOWS ARE OUT. 
          I CAN CALL YOU AND TELL YOU I HAVE A CONCERN FOR THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT YOU CAN'T GO, CAN YOU STILL NOT, I CAN DO AN EXTERIOR INSPECTION. 
          I JUST WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO INTO THE BUILDING WITHOUT PERMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          IF, BUT SAY, UM, THE PERSON YOU, CAN YOU KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND SAY, I SEE THERE'S WINDOWS OUT. 
          CAN I COME IN AND TAKE A LOOK? CAN YOU DO IT THAT WAY? OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE, IF I RECEIVED A COMPLAINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY, SURE. 
          I COULD KNOCK ON THE DOOR. 
          I MEAN, BUT IT'S NOT THE PROPERTY. 
          THERE'S NO TRESPASSING SIGNS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          SO BECAUSE THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE THING. 
          A LOT OF, A LOT OF THESE TENANTS, AS LONG AS THERE ARE NO, NO TRESPASSING, I KNEW WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE A LOT OF, A LOT OF TENANTS ARE NOT GONNA COMPLAIN BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT NO PLACE TO GO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THEN WILL THEY LET ME IN? MAYBE NOT. 
          BUT I COULD STILL DO A, AN EXTERIOR INSPECTION FROM 
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THE, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          DETAIL SOMETHING. 
          DOES DSS HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN HELP A TENANT IN THIS CASE? LIKE THEY MAY NOT EVEN KNOW TO GO TO YOU OR WHERE TO SUBMIT? NO. 
          LIKE I, I THINK THEY HAVE SOME, LIKE IF, UM, ALL THE WINDOWS WERE BROKEN OUT AND IT'S REALLY COLD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE 'EM A TEMPORARY NIGHT IN A MOTEL OR SOMETHING. 
          I KNOW THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF DISCRETIONARY MONEY FOR THINGS, BUT I DON'T KNOW. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          IF THEY COULD, THAT'S GOOD THEY HAVE THAT. 
          BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S LIKE SOMEONE TO HELP A, A TENANT NAVIGATE THIS BE BECAUSE THAT, I DON'T THINK THERE, AND WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR, FOR YEARS NOW, AND IT'S, IT, IT BOTHERS ME BECAUSE I DO RIDE AROUND DOWN RURAL AVENUE AND SEE A LOT OF THESE ISSUES AND, UM, I, AND I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE LIVING IN THOSE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONS AT ALL. 
          AND FROM WORKING AT SCHOOL, I WOULD ALSO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW I'VE AFFECTED THE CHILDREN THAT ARE LIVING IN THOSE CONDITIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND UM, BUT THE THING IS, IS THE DISPLACEMENT OF 'EM, YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A GOOD THING BY GOING IN. 
          AND I, I THINK, I DON'T REMEMBER, I KNOW WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH JERRY MADA ONE DAY, UM, AFTER A COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER. 
          AND THERE IS A PROCESS THAT THEY CAN DO WITH, BUT THEN WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE PERSON WHEN THE LANDLORD SAYS, OKAY, WELL YOU GOTTA GET OUT 'CAUSE NOW I GOTTA FIX THIS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN THEY JACK THE PRICE UP AND THE PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO COME BACK EVEN IF THEY WANT TO. 
          YEAH, DEFINITELY A VICIOUS CYCLE. 
          IT IS. 
          IT'S, AND UM, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, UM, SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS COUNCIL DID LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE HOTEL SITUATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ABOUT, 'CAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE LOOKED AT, UM, OTHER AREAS, LIKE OTHER PLACES WHERE THEY LOOKED AT CERTAIN HOTELS OR THEY LOOKED AT CERTAIN PLACES IN GENERAL, NOT JUST HOTELS, BUT MAYBE APARTMENT BUILDINGS OR WHATEVER. 
          AND THEY CAME IN AND SAID, YOU NEED TO DO THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS. 
          AND THAT WAS THE IDEA IS THAT, THAT MORE THAN LIKELY BY THE TIME THEY MAKE THOSE REPAIRS, THEN THE RENT GOES UP. 
          AND WHAT DO YOU DO FROM THERE? UM, BUT I KNOW THAT CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD, IT WAS A, IT WAS A, ACTUALLY A POLICE CHIEF OUT OF, UM, ASHLAND, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT, UM, HE, HE HAD GOTTEN AN AWARD THROUGH VIRGINIA FROM CLEANING UP SEVERAL OF THE MOTELS DOWN THERE, BUT THAT THEY HAD LIKE A STAKEHOLDERS GROUP. 
          AND SO IT LITERALLY HAD LIKE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE PEOPLE, THE, THE FIRE MARSHAL DSS, UM, BUILDING CODED, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAD A GROUP OF, OF PEOPLE THAT WERE WORKING ON THESE THINGS TO GO IN AND SAY, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE MODIFICATIONS YOU NEED TO MAKE. 
          HOWEVER, JUST WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS, YOU KNOW, BUT THEN WHEN SOMEBODY'S GONNA MAKE THESE MODIFICATIONS AND THE RENT GOES UP, WHICH IS REALLY A SAD, SAD PLACE TO BE IN, THAT YOU'RE AFRAID TO COMPLAIN ABOUT YOUR LIVING CONDITIONS OR FEAR YOU DON'T HAVE A LIVING CONDITION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          OR YOU DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE. 
          UM, BUT, UM, DO YOU KNOW WHO THAT PERSON IS THAT MAYBE THEY COULD COME AND TALK TO? IT'S THE TOWN OF ASHLAND. 
          SO WE SPOKE WITH THE POLICE CHIEF THERE. 
          HE, HE ACTUALLY RETIRED. 
          CHIEF PROBABLY REMEMBERS THAT. 
          UM, I'VE GOT HIS INFORMATION SOMEWHERE. 
          BUT, BUT HE CAME IN. 
          BUT AGAIN, HE WAS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT MOTEL, LIKE THAT'S WHAT HE, HE FOCUSED OF PEOPLE IN MOTEL. 
          THEY USED A BLADE ORDINANCE. 
          YES. 
          AND SO THEY CREATED A TASK FORCE BETWEEN THEIR TOWN AND COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND THEY DID THESE INSPECTIONS TOGETHER AND THEY USED A SEPARATE CODE. 
          SO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE IS ONE CODE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING TIES, WE COULD BRING A SEPARATE CODE AND TALK TO US TO USE THEM TO SEE IF THAT WOULD WORK HERE. 
          I MEAN, NOTHING VENTURED, NOTHING GAINED. 
          WE NEED TO START SOMEPLACE. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL THERE USED TO BE A HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS COALITION, RIGHT. 
          IT SORT OF, SORT OF ALIGNED, UM, WITH THE SHENDO VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION, UM, AND MET LIKE AT THE EDA, OLD EDA BUILDING. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THE REASON WHY I BRING THAT UP IS BECAUSE THAT HAD, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ENGAGE SOME OF THOSE PROVIDERS AS WELL BECAUSE IF YOU, IF YOU MAKE THE DECISION TO DISPLACE PEOPLE IN THE, IN THE PROCESS, THEN IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THOSE PROVIDERS TO BE THERE TO HELP YOU NAVIGATE WHERE TO, WHERE TO PUT PEOPLE. 
          UM, SO, BUT ANYWAY, I, I CAN LOOK INTO IF, IF THAT STILL EXISTS. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE. 
          UM, BUT IT WOULD HAVE A, YOU KNOW, THEY'D HAVE A LOT OF INSIGHT. 
          AND THEY'RE 
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ALSO BLUE RIDGE LEGAL AID USED TO DEAL WITH LANDLORD ATTENDANT ISSUES FOR INDIGENT PEOPLE. 
          SO, UM, THEY DO HAVE SOME LEGAL RESOURCES OUT THERE. 
          I BELIEVE SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, TO GET A, A GROUP, UM, TASK FORCE, WHATEVER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT IS YOUR, I MEAN, YOU WEREN'T ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME, BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY CALLED IT. 
          AND THEY LITERALLY HAD PEOPLE FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, EVEN SCHOOLS WERE INVOLVED WITH IT. 
          LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS INVOLVED IN IT. 
          THEY LITERALLY HAD, UM, WELL, WHEN I THINK STAKEHOLDERS, I THINK OF SOMEONE WHO'S GOT SOME MONEY TO THROW IN A POT HERE TO, TO BUY SPACE OR HAVE SPACE. 
          SO YOU KIND OF ROUND ROBIN IF, IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE SOMEBODY ELSE, HERE'S A TEMPORARY PLACE FOR YOU, GET THE THING AND THEN GO BACK OR WHATEVER. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S THE PROBLEM, THERE'S NO PLACE FOR ANYBODY TO GO. 
          YEAH. 
          WHILE THEY'RE FIXING IT UP. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S UM, UM, HOW, FOR LORD'S SAKE, I CANNOT THINK OF THAT MAN'S NAME. 
          WHAT WAS ASHLAND? EXCUSE ME? FROM ASHLAND? YES, IT WAS DOUG GOODWIN. 
          DOUG GOODWIN. 
          OKAY. 
          GOODWIN. 
          SORRY. 
          GOODWIN, CHIEF GOODWIN. 
          UM, BUT THAT WAS THE THING IS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, AND HE SAID IT TOOK A COUPLE, TOOK A COUPLE YEARS, A, A GOOD TWO OR THREE YEARS. 
          AND I WILL TELL YOU TOO THAT HE, HE WAS VERY HONEST AND HE SAID WHEN HE FIRST BROUGHT IT UP THE FIRST TWO MONTHS, HE SAID HE WASN'T SURE HE WAS GONNA KEEP HIS JOB. 
          BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED IS PEOPLE CAME OUT, SAID, WE'VE GOTTA DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. 
          WELL THEN THE PUSHBACK WAS, YOU NOW ARE DI NOW YOU DISPLACED POOR PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO LIVE. 
          AND, AND SO LIKE YOU SAID, THEN WHAT DO YOU DO? AND I, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THAT'S, UH, 'CAUSE MS. COOK, I WOULD TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. 
          THERE ARE PLACES THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE CONCERNING, BUT I CAN, IF I WAS A YOUNG MOM WITH TWO KIDS AND I WAS AFRAID WHERE I WAS GONNA LAY MY HEAD DOWN AT NIGHT, I MIGHT PUT UP WITH SOME THINGS FOR FEAR THAT I, THAT WOULD BE BETTER THAN BEING HOMELESS. 
          SO, BUT THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME WAY FOR US TO, TO, TO TACKLE SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS. 
          I JUST DON'T, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, WE CAN PUT THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA AGAIN. 
          UM, IS IT, I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING Y'ALL, IS IT SOMETHING THAT HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH WARREN COUNTY'S BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT AND OURS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT, I MEAN, IS DO YOU, IS THERE A PIECE TO THIS? IS THERE A PART OF THIS PROCESS THAT WE'RE NOT DOING AS EFFICIENTLY, THAT MAYBE WE COULD ALL PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER? OR IS IT, IS IT WORKING ON OUR IT'S IT'S WORKING FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT WE JUST GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS. 
          OR, AND I KNOW SOMETIMES THE PUBLIC'S PERCEPTION IS, IS THAT THERE'S THINGS GOING ON IN THESE BUILDINGS. 
          BUT, BUT QUITE HONESTLY, THERE, THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE SOMETIMES IT'S THE TENANT TOO THAT'S MAYBE CAUSING SOME OF THE DAMAGE. 
          I KNOW WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S HAPPENED ALL THE TIME, BUT I KNOW THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST WHERE THE PERCEPTION WAS IS THAT THE LANDLORD HAD DONE SOMETHING. 
          BUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT TENANT HAD DONE. 
          THEY WERE GETTING READY TO BE EVICTED AND SO THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA DO THINGS. 
          SO, UM, IT, IT'S BOTH SITUATIONS. 
          BUT I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE AN ANSWER, BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK WE SHOULD NOT TRY TO THINK OF, UH, SOME, SOME SOMETHING TO DO, UM, ON OUR END. 
          I DO. 
          DO YOU, DO YOU WISE GENTLEMEN, HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO OFFER TO THIS? DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT ANYTHING? WELL, WE'RE WISE AT ALL, MA'AM. 
          YES, YOU ARE. 
          WHAT I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU LET THE STAFF THERE TALK WITH THE FIRE AND RESCUE AND WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU AND LET THE COUNCIL AND THE BOARD DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT HAVE THOSE POLICIES. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. WALTZ, DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS? UM, MY THOUGHT IS THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM. 
          AND I THINK WHEN IT WAS ADDED TO THE AGENDA AND WHEN I TALKED TO STAFF, THEY SAID, THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. 
          SO I THINK IF YOU LET US STAFF GET TOGETHER, MAYBE WE CAN COLLABORATE WITH THE COUNTY AND WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO FACILITATE A BETTER PROCESS, THEN WE CAN COME TO BOTH BOARDS AND HAVE A SOLUTION. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. 
          I THINK IT'S A GREAT STARTING POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF I MAY, AND, AND WHEN YOU COLLABORATE, YOU KNOW, ALSO FOCUS ON ENFORCEMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, I, I I JUST FEEL THAT PEOPLE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHERE TO GO, YOU KNOW? AND, AND THERE MAY NOT BE A SOLUTION FOR THEIR GIVEN SITUATION. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, BUT THEY, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NO ONE CARESS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO IF, YOU KNOW, JUST A PROCESS ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, AND, 
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AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN HELP OUR, OUR, THE PEOPLE OF WARREN COUNTY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S ALWAYS HARD WHEN YOU'RE THE, WHEN SOMEBODY IS MAKING A COMPLAINT. 
          I KNOW EVEN WITH DSS THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE WANNA FILE A COMPLAINT ABOUT A CHILD THAT MAYBE THEY THINK IS, YOU KNOW, AND THEY DON'T WANNA BE THE NEIGHBOR THAT'S CALLING IN 'CAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID SOMEBODY'S GONNA FIND OUT THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING. 
          SO I TOTALLY GET THAT. 
          I THANK YOU ALL FOR MAKING THAT SUGGESTION. 
          SO, SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, WITH THAT, AND IF YOU ALL NEED ANY HELP FROM OUR BOARD AND COUNCIL TO, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS HAPPENS, LET US KNOW. 
          'CAUSE I, I DO HAVE A GREAT LOOK AT IN APRIL. 
          OKAY. 
          HEY, SO WHO'S GONNA BE TAKING THE ACTION TO PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER? STAFF FROM BOTH TOWN AND COUNTY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE, I WILL BE THE LEAD FOR THE, YOU'LL BE THE LEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK, THANK YOU MUCH. 
          THANKS FOR BEING WILLING TO STAND UP HERE. 
          PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. 
          WE'LL MAKE MR. BEAM DO IT NEXT TIME. 
          JUST KIDDING. 
           SHARE THE WEALTH. 
          RIGHT? THANKS. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THE NEXT ONE WAS TOWN COMMITMENTS TO SHARE UTILITIES COSTS WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS. 
          AND THIS WAS THE, UM, THE COUNTY ASKED TO PUT THIS ON HERE AND IT WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, SO JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, YOU DON'T HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF THE, CURRENTLY THE COUNTY HAS LEASE BUILDING FACILITIES AND UTILITIES TO HELP OFFSET COSTS FOR COMMUNITY OUTREACH ORGANIZATIONS AND PROGRAMS SUCH AS RON , LITTLE LEAGUE, , MIDGET FOOTBALL, WARREN COUNTY, SUNFISH, ET CETERA. 
          UH, TO, UH, DEVELOP A COST SHARE PROGRAM BETWEEN THE TOWN AND COUNTY FOR PROVIDING FACILITY UTILITIES, WATER, SEWAGE, ELECTRIC, TO SUPPORT THESE OUTREACH PROGRAMS. SO I KNOW THIS IS ON THE AGENDA. 
          I'M, I'M GONNA START OFF, UM, SO WHEN I, WHEN I SAW THIS ON THE AGENDA, MY, I HAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT THOUGHTS THAT I JUST WANNA SHARE. 
          SO WHILE IT MAY, THE IDEA IS THERE, LIKE FOR, UH, THE TOWN, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE IN THE TOWN, AND THEREFORE THEY USE TOWN, ELECTRIC, TOWN, WATER, TOWN SEWER, THE TOWN, REALLY PRO, WE PROVIDE THE SERVICE, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S THE TOWNS TO GIVE AWAY. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, UM, THE CUSTOMERS OF OUR ELECTRIC, IT'S NOT REALLY, BECAUSE IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND WHERE THEY'RE TAXPAYER DOLLARS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE CUSTOMERS OF ELECTRIC, UH, THE ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS, THE WATER AND SEWER CUSTOMERS, THE REFUSE CUSTOMERS, LIKE THEY'RE ALL ENTERPRISE FUNDS TO, TO ACTUALLY, UM, EXEMPT SOMEBODY OR TO GIVE, UM, GIVE A BREAK TO SOMEBODY OR, OR IT REALLY WOULDN'T BE, IT'S NOT LIKE, IT'S NOT LIKE THE TOWN WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          IT'S THE, IT WOULD BE ASKING THE CUSTOMERS TO ACTUALLY BEAR THE BURDEN OF PAYING A HIGHER PRICE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE ANOTHER ORGANIZATION A, A, A DISCOUNT. 
          I DISCOUNT IT IN THE RIGHT WORD. 
          YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY? HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS DO. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I I THINK THAT I, I JUST THINK THIS WOULD BE, YOU'D, YOU'D BE ASKING THE TOWN ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS TO PAY MORE, TO BE ABLE TO GIVE, UM, TO BE ABLE TO, TO COST SHARE SOME OF THESE OTHER PROGRAMS. THOSE SAME ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS ARE ALREADY PART OF THE COUNTY SUBSIDIZING THOSE ORGANIZATIONS. 
          SO BEAR WITH ME HERE. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME. 
          SO THE GUY IN BENTONVILLE WHO'S PAYING FOR SOMETHING, THE PERSON ON STONEWALL DRIVE IS GONNA ACTUALLY BE PAYING MORE BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE PAYING AS A COUNTY CITIZEN FOR, FOR WHAT IS ALREADY BEING SHARED WITH THESE ORGANIZATIONS. 
          BUT THEN THEY'D ALSO BE PAYING AS AN ELECTRIC, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, THROUGH, THROUGH THAT SERVICE. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THESE THINGS AREN'T VALUABLE, OBVIOUSLY I THINK THEY ARE. 
          AND AS A COUNTY CITIZEN, I'M SUPPORTING ALL OF THESE THROUGH THOSE, UH, THE, ALL THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. 
          THE, BUT I, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, THIS WOULDN'T BE AN EASY, THIS ISN'T AN EASY FIX BECAUSE YOU'D ACTUALLY BE ASKING THE ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS TO, TO BE, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY MORE IF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY PAY MORE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO GIVE AWAY, UH, SERVICES. 
          AM I EXPLAINING THIS IN ANY WAY? AM I MAKING SENSE TO ANYBODY ELSE BUT ME? UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, JUST TO, 
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I MEAN, FOR ONE, FOR PEOPLE'S KNOWLEDGE, UM, THE, UM, AND I HAD IT, WHERE IS THE FRONT ROW? UM, UH, WHERE AM I, I GOT THE PAPER IN HERE, LIKE THE FIRE IN FRONT ROW, UM, FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          RIGHT? WE ACTUALLY, THEY GET FREE WATER AND SEWER. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY IS HAS, YOU KNOW, FIRE AND RESCUE, WE DO, UH, PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER FREE. 
          WHEN I SAY WE, I MEAN THE WATER AND SEWER CUSTOMERS. 
          DO YOU UNDERSTAND? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO BASICALLY WHEN WE DO LIKE A COST OF STUDY, UM, FOR ANY OF OUR SERVICES, WHICH WE ACTUALLY ARE CURRENTLY DOING ONE RIGHT NOW WITH, OR WE JUST DID ONE FOR REFUGE, RIGHT? AND SO WHAT WE FOUND OUT IS THAT THERE WERE CERTAIN CUSTOMERS THAT, UM, THAT POSSIBLY AREN'T BEING CHARGED ENOUGH. 
          AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE OTHER CUSTOMERS ARE PICKING UP THAT SLACK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, IF WE WERE GOING TO, UM, SOME OF THESE OUTREACH ORGANIZATIONS, IF WE WERE THEN TO GO IN AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA GIVE, UH, NOT A FULL EXEMPTION, BUT, YOU KNOW, PARTIAL EXEMPTION TO THIS ORGANIZATION, THIS ORGANIZATION, THIS ORGANIZATION. 
          THEN WHEN WE DO OUR COST STUDY, WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE THAT INTO THE FACT THAT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING IT COSTS, THE REST OF THE PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE. 
          I I'M GONNA SAY SLACK, MAKE UP THE SLACK FOR THAT. 
          I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT WORD I'M LOOKING FOR, BUT, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WELL ANYWAY, I DON'T, THAT, UM, GIVES YOU GUYS ANY IDEA. 
          LIKE THERE ARE CERTAIN PLACES THAT LIKE RSW, THEY ACTUALLY, UM, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WHERE THEY, UH, PAY A CERTAIN DIFFERENCE IN THE WATER RATE. 
          UH, CHURCHES, WE, UM, TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST CHURCHES ACTUALLY RECEIVED THE FIRST 3000 GALLONS OF WATER AND SEWER FREE. 
          UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER, UH, ORGANIZATIONS THAT, THAT'S PART OF OUR UTILITIES. 
          SO THEY'RE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. 
          SO I, LIKE I SAID, I, YOU KNOW, I KEPT SAYING IN MY HEAD, WELL, THAT WOULD MEAN THE FRONT ROW TOWN CITIZENS WOULD ACTUALLY BE PAYING MORE THAN A COUNTY CITIZEN. 
          AND THEN SOMEBODY REMINDED ME, IT'S REALLY NOT THE CITIZENS, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT THE GENERAL FUND, IT'S NOT TAXPAYER DOLLARS, IT'S ACTUALLY THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, WHICH ARE, ARE THE CUSTOMERS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY PAYING INTO IT. 
          I HAVE CONCERNS MORE LIKE IN AN EQUITY WAY BECAUSE, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A FEW ORGANIZATIONS HERE, BUT I KNOW THAT YOU SUPPORT A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS. 
          SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE PROPOSAL WAS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL THE NONPROFITS THAT WERE IN TOWN, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF COST SHARE WITH ALL OF THEM, WHICH WOULD BE A LOT OF THEM. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN IF YOU DIDN'T, IF YOU WEREN'T, IF YOU WERE JUST LOOKING FOR A RON FRONT OIL LITTLE LEAGUE, THEN TO ME THAT WOULD SEEM NOT EQUITABLE. 
          SO I, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE'S NOT A, A WONDERFUL WAY TO APPROACH THIS AND THAT, THAT WAS THE CON THAT'S, UM, AND WHEN YOU SAID ABOUT THE NONPROFIT, THAT WAS MY, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, I HAD SAID THAT TOO. 
          THERE'S SO MANY NONPROFITS IN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, AND A LOT OF 'EM ARE IN TOWN AND OR, AND LIKE YOU JUST SAID, IF WE GOT INTO A POSITION WHERE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WHICH ONES WOULD THEY BE GETTING THE DISCOUNT? AND THEN IF WE HAD TO BE EQUITABLE AND EVERYBODY GETS IT, JUST IMAGINE THE DIFFERENCE THAT'S GONNA MAKE FOR THE ELECTRIC CUSTOMER OR THE WATER AND SEWER CUSTOMERS BECAUSE THEY'VE GOTTA, THEY'VE GOTTA MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE FOR THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, WE ARE, WE ARE UNIQUE IN THIS COMMUNITY, IN THAT ALL OF OUR TOWN CITIZENS ARE ALSO COUNTY CITIZENS. 
          SO THEY ARE ALREADY, UM, AS YOU SAID HERE, THEY ARE ALREADY SUBSIDIZING THOSE PROGRAMS THROUGH WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE COUNTY'S, UM, BUDGETING. 
          YOU KNOW, WE, I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME, TOM, I'M COUNTY, I'M TOWN, I'M COUNTY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BOTH, SO I DON'T, HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          AND IT'S NOT, 'CAUSE I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T THINK THOSE THINGS ARE VALUABLE. 
          'CAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, I, I, UH, I HAD , MY KIDS DID LITTLE LEAGUE, MY KIDS DID MIDGET. 
          UM, I DONATED TODAY, THIS YEAR I SPONSOR ONE OF THE KIDS FOR SUNFISH. 
          LIKE, SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT THOSE AREN'T 
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VALUABLE PROGRAMS. I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE WOULD, THE, THE QUESTION HERE WOULD BE A COMMITMENT FROM THE CUSTOMERS OF WATER, SEWER, AND ELECTRIC TO BE WILLING TO PAY A HIGHER RATE TO OFFSET, UM, TO OFFSET GIVING MONEY TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS. 
          BUT KEEPING IN MIND, AS I SAID, THOSE SAME PEOPLE ARE ALREADY, UM, THEY'RE ALREADY PART OF WHAT THE COUNTY IS GIVING. 
          SO IN ESSENCE, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE GIVING MORE IF I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY THAT. 
          AND THAT IT'S CONFUSING. 
          YEAH. 
          DID YOU SAY COME, UH, FOOTWEAR VOLUNTEERS, FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY GET FREE WATER AND SEWER? I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. 
          CORRECT. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING, YEP. 
          THAT THEY, THE FRONT ROW FIRE DEPARTMENT GETS FREE WATER AND SEWER, WHICH IS KINDA INTERESTING. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN ONE OF THE OTHER LIAISON MEETINGS, WHEN THEY CAME ABOUT, THEY CAME TO US. 
          I, I HONESTLY DIDN'T KNOW THAT AT THE TIME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO NOW HERE'S THE THING THAT, THAT KIND OF IS OPPOSITE OF WHAT I WAS JUST SAYING, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S AN ORGANIZATION THAT, NOT AN ORGANIZATION. 
          WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ALL SUPPORT. 
          IT'S A LITTLE, BUT IN THIS SITUATION, THE WAY I, THE WAY IN MY HEAD I SEE THIS IS THE FRONT ROW FIRE DEPARTMENT ON COMMERCE AVENUE DIRECTLY BENEFITS FRONT ROW CITIZENS. 
          IT'S GONNA BE THE FIRST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE LIVING IN TOWN, MORE THAN LIKELY THAT'S GONNA BE THE FIRST, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE THE FIRST COMPANY THAT SHOWS UP TO YOUR HOME. 
          SO I, I CANNOT SEE ANYBODY THAT WOULD NOT SEE THE VALUE YEAH. 
          IN, IN THAT. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FILLING UP THE TANKERS, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WATER. 
          SO THAT'S, YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T HOW MUCH THE WATER COSTS PER GALLON. 
          'CAUSE I, I LIVE IN, IN WHERE I'VE GOT A WELL, BUT, AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ACTUALLY TELL YOU I FOUND THAT OUT EVEN. 
          NO, NO. 
          I'M SAYING, I, I'VE ASKED ACTUALLY, BEFORE THIS, BEFORE TONIGHT, I SAID, WELL, CAN I FIND OUT LIKE WHAT DO SOME OF THESE ORGAN, HOW MUCH WATER? AND MR. WILSON SAID WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TELL THAT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO IT'S PRIVATE. 
          BUT, UM, BUT ANYWAY, BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, COMING BACK FROM A FIRE AND RE YOU KNOW, FILLING UP TRAINING EXERCISES THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD USE. 
          AND THAT'S EVERY PENNY HELPS. 
          WE APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THAT IS A BROAD, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A BROAD EVERY CITIZEN SERVICE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND WE CAN, WE CAN SIT AROUND AND ARGUE ABOUT THE VALUE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE PREFERENCES. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IN, IN WHAT WE LIKE TO SUPPORT OR, OR HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND, BUT THE FIRE AND RESCUE ARE LIKE NON-NEGOTIABLE. 
          THERE'S NO PREFERENCE THERE. 
          THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL OUR, I WOULD  TELL GO OUT ON THIS BRANCH. 
          I WOULD, I APPRECIATE THE WATER AND SEWER AND IF Y'ALL WOULD SHIP IN A FIREMAN OR TWO , YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ME ASKING YOU FOR, UH, ANYTHING TO GO WITH ANY OF THOSE OTHER. 
          UM, AND I THINK THERE WERE SOME OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN THE PAST THAT THE TOWN DID GIVE THEM LIKE A CREDIT. 
          BUT THEN THAT HALTED. 
          AND THEN JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ACTUALLY ASKED, UM, REQUESTED A DISCOUNT. 
          BUT, BUT WERE DENIED. 
          AND I WON'T EVEN GET INTO WHAT SOME OF 'EM ARE. 
          'CAUSE SOMEBODY WILL BE. 
          YEP. 
          SORRY. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, SO IT WOULD BE A HARD THING TO SAY, WOULD THIS ONE WOULDN'T. 
          YES. 
          DO THESE AGENCIES OR ANY OTHERS JUST COME TO THE TOWN, UH, AND ASK FOR MONEY FOR THEIR PROGRAM? UM, LIKE IN THE COUNTY, WE HAVE SOME AGENCIES THAT COME TO US. 
          NO. 
          SO THE, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE TOWN IS, UM, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          NONPROFITS WE DON'T SUPPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY, UM, NONPROFITS, WHICH IS A WHOLE NOTHER STORY, MR. JOHN. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, 'CAUSE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOTTEN TRICKIER BEFORE BECAUSE, UM, AND HONESTLY WHEN MY FIRST YEAR ON COUNCIL HUMANE SOCIETY CAME IN AND TALKED ABOUT THEIR SPAY AND NEUTER, AND I REMEMBER WALKING, OH, WHAT A GREAT IDEA. 
          AND THEN SOMEBODY TOLD ME LATER, YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE ALREADY, AND I WAS LIKE, OH, I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT LIKE THAT. 
          SO ANYWAY, THEY, THEY HAVE NOT, WELL ACTUALLY ONE ORGANIZATION THAT'S LISTED THERE, BUT THE REST OF THEM KNOW. 
          OKAY, SO, UM, IF JUST SPEAKING FROM LIKE ECONOMICS AND ACCOUNTING, THE IDEAL WOULD BE THAT NO ONE GETS ANYTHING FOR FREE. 
          BUT YOU CHARGE MARKET VALUE AND, AND YOU CHARGE 'EM FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN IF, AND IF YOU WANNA SUBSIDIZE AND THEN YOU GIVE THEM A GRANT THAT COVERS IT. 
          SO YOU AT LEAST YOU'RE TRACKING THINGS AT MARKET PRICES, UM, AND IN THAT WAY. 
          BUT, UM, IT, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE SETUP TO DO IT THAT WAY EITHER. 
          IF YOU'RE NOT DOING NO, AND THEN IT GETS DIFFICULT. 
          I MEAN, BECAUSE NON-PROFITS HAVE BEEN MY CAREER. 
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AND IT GETS, IT GETS DIFFICULT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GET MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THEN AS SOON AS THE FLAVOR CHANGE JUST POLITICALLY, THEN YOU, YOU GET LESS MONEY. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THIS ADVERSARIAL RELATIONSHIP. 
          SO I PERSONALLY, I THINK IT'S BETTER TO LEAVE THE MONEY WITH THE TAXPAYERS SO THAT THEY CAN GET, HAVE MONEY TO GIVE TO OTHERS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HOPEFULLY MAKE MORE STABLE OR SUPPORT. 
          SO, BUT SO DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH. 
          I MEAN, YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THE COST OF IT, BUT THE, BUT UM, I DON'T THINK, UNLESS WHEN WE DID THE COST OR COST STUDY OR WHATEVER, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, THIS IS HOW MUCH IT COSTS ELECTRIC TO GO TO THAT. 
          BUT AS MR. WALT SAID, LIKE WE, OUR ENTERPRISE, LIKE IT'S, IT'S A BUS. 
          IT'S NOT A BUSINESS. 
          BUT WE, IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE PROFIT. 
          LIKE ANY MONEY THAT WE TAKE IN FOR ELECTRIC, UM, IT'S TO PAY FOR THE COST. 
          MAYBE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          BUT IT'S UNLIKE A COMPANY, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU BUILT IN SOME PROFIT. 
          YEAH. 
          AM I, AM I WRONG TO SAY THAT HAN ELECTRIC FOR ME, THEY, THEY DO GIVE LIKE A REBATE TO THE CUSTOMERS. 
          'CAUSE THEY TRY AND KEEP IT AS A CO-OP, YOU KNOW, SO. 
          YEP. 
          YOU KNOW, AND GIVEN, AND I MEANT TO BRING THAT UP, YOU KNOW, THE HANOCK ELECTRIC IS ONE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED IF WE WANTED TO START A ROUNDUP PROGRAM. 
          IF WE WANTED TO SAY, IF, IF FOLKS WANNA PAY A LITTLE EXTRA, YOU KNOW, OUT OF, IN THEIR ELECTRIC BILL AND THAT MONEY GETS PUT IN THE FUND, AND THEN YOU GIVE OUT GRANTS, WHICH IS WHAT HANOCK DOES AND SOME OF THE OTHERS, THEN MAYBE THAT IS, THAT IS AN INFRASTRUCTURE WE COULD BUILD IN THAT WOULD GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THEY ROTATE IT AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE OUT TO NON-PROFITS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. 
          NOW, WILL ANYBODY WANT TO GIVE EXTRA MONEY TO THEIR ELECTRIC BILL? I DON'T KNOW. 
          YOU KNOW, AT THIS, AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME. 
          AND ACTUALLY WHEN YOU JUST SAID THAT, SO RAP, PANIC ELECTRIC DOES HAVE A ROUNDUP PROGRAM. 
          NOW WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REP PANIC. 
          I'M NOT A REP. 
          HE ELECTRIC CUSTOMER, BUT, SO, UM, THERE WAS, THERE WAS AN ORGANIZATION IN TOWN THAT JUST ACTUALLY GOT A $5,000 GRANT FROM THAT ORGANIZATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEY INVITED ME TO COME WHEN THEY WERE GIVING THEM THEIR, UM, THEIR CHECK. 
          AND IT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE ROLE EXAMINER AND STUFF, BUT I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THIS EXISTED. 
          BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. 
          AND THEY GAVE OVER, I WANNA SAY $200,000 MAYBE OUT IN GRANTS LAST YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          FROM JUST FROM CUSTOMERS. 
          'CAUSE IT'S SET TO WHATEVER THEIR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IS SET THEIR CUSTOMER, IT ROUNDS UP TO THE NEAREST DOLLAR. 
          AND LIKE THE LADY SAID, AS MANY CUSTOMERS THERE ARE, SHE SAID, YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW THAT THAT ADDS UP. 
          AND THEN AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WHATEVER THAT EXTRA WAS IS WHAT THEY GIVE OUT. 
          NOW I SAY ALL THAT, MR. WILSON IS PROBABLY LIKE, SHUT UP , BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE THE EXTRA WORK THAT THAT WOULD CREATE FOR OUR STAFF IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT MR. ROTHS, DID YOU WANNA, SO, UH, REP, HAND COLLECTOR, THEY HAVE THE OPERATION ROUNDUP, BUT THAT IS ACTUALLY A, UH, THAT HAS ANOTHER SET OF BOARD. 
          THEY HAVE BYLAWS OR THEY'RE NON-PROFIT IN THEMSELVES. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, BUT IT IS A GREAT PROGRAM IN THE COOPERATIVE NETWORK. 
          AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MIRROR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT, IT'D BE NICE. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE A, A NICE, YOU KNOW, EFFORT. 
          WELL, I THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE AT MARTIN'S AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ROUND UP AND I LAUGH 'CAUSE I'M IN THERE SO OFTEN I'M LIKE, I JUST CAME ROUND UP EVERY DAY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE ALMOST EVERY DAY. 
          BUT, UH, BUT I HEAR YOU. 
          SO, SO HOPEFULLY I DO, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? SO, I MEAN, THIS WAS THIS, THIS WAS MINE THAT I PUT ON THE AGENDA AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS WAS GONNA BE SO COMPLICATED. 
          UM, MY ATTENTION WAS ON THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I, WHEN I, I DON'T MEAN ORGANIZATIONS, I JUST MEAN PROGRAMS. RIGHT. 
          AND I'M NOT ASKING THAT WE, WE, UH, GIVE ANY DISCOUNTS TO ANY ORGANIZATIONS OR NONPROFITS AND ALL THAT. 
          MY INTENT WAS LIKE WITH THE RON, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, THE COUNTY HAS PUT UP THE LEASE TO HELP THE USE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE'RE PAYING UTILITIES ON THAT. 
          AND SO IN MY MIND, THE CO CA COST SHARING WAS THAT WE 50 50 IN UTILITIES BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          THAT'S THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE, UM, UH, BING CROSBY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE FRONT ROW BASEBALL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALIZE THESE PROGRAMS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ARE LOCAL AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD A, A BIG LEASE, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, TO, TO RENT THESE FACILITIES TO MAKE YOUR PROGRAM SUCCESSFUL FOR OUR YOUTH. 
          SO YOU HAVE BINGING CROSBY. 
          SO WE, THE COUNTY TRIES TO WORK IT OUT THAT THEY, THAT, THAT, THAT WHEN WE LEASE IT OUT TO THEM FOR THEIR SEASON, IT WON'T BREAK THE BANK. 
          HOWEVER, WE PICK UP AS THE COUNTY, ALL OF THE UTILITIES 
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OF, YOU KNOW, THE LIGHTS, THE SEWAGE, THE MAINTENANCE. 
          AND WE DO THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO HELP 'EM OUT. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT I WAS SAYING, IT'S JUST A COST SHARE FOR ONLY PROGRAMS. NOT ALL, NOT NON-PROFITS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LIKE THE MIDGET, YOU MAY, I THINK LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 15TH STREET AND HOW EXPENSIVE IT WAS. 
          'CAUSE THIS PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T, THEY COULDN'T AFFORD IT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF ADJUSTED IT SO IT COULD WORK FOR, FOR THE KIDS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'RE STILL PUTTING OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FOR THE UTILITIES AND THE LIGHTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          SO THAT WAS JUST, THAT'S WHAT I WAS PROPOSING, NOT, NOT TO GIVE DISCOUNTS, NOT TO GIVE IT TO ALL THE NON-PROFITS. 
          IT'S JUST HELPING THE, THE LITTLE PROGRAMS THAT ARE HELPING OUR, OUR YOUTH, YOU KNOW? AND, AND THAT WAS MY INTENT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND. 
          I JUST, IT'S TOO COMPLICATED. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, AND IT'S NOT EVEN THAT IT'S COMPLICATED. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY SIMPLE IN THAT IF THE TOWN WERE TO DO THAT, THEN WHEN YOU SAY 50 50, IT WOULD, IT WOULDN'T BE 50 50 BECAUSE THE TOWN CITIZENS WOULD BE PAYING MORE BECAUSE THEY'D BE PAYING AS COUNTY CITIZENS. 
          AND THEN THEY'D ALSO BE PAYING AS TOWN CITIZENS. 
          I DON'T, I MEAN, I I, AND I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE, HOW PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS SAYING, WE'RE DOUBLE TAXED. 
          WE'RE DOUBLE TAXED. 
          AND THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT TAXES FOR THE TOWN ARE PAYING FOR THE SERVICES THAT THE TOWN PROVIDES AND THE TAX YOU'RE PAYING TO THE COUNTY ARE THE THINGS THAT THE COUNTY PROVIDES. 
          UM, BUT IF THE TOWN CITIZENS WERE GOING TO NOW CHIP IN TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT IS ALSO BEING PAID FOR BY THE COUNTY, THEN THEY'RE PAYING AS A COUNTY CITIZEN. 
          AND THEN THEY WOULD ALSO BE PAYING AS A TOWN CITIZEN. 
          SO I, I THINK, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          OR, OR HOPEFULLY MAKES SENSE. 
          BUT I, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST HOPING THAT THERE WAS SOME GENEROSITY. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          WELL, I, I HAVE, BUT I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHO SON THIS IS. 
          WHO IS SUNFISH? IT'S A LOT. 
          IT'S A SWIM TEAM, SWIM TEACHING AT THE LOCAL. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT'S REALLY, I JUST WANNA SAY, WHEN YOU SAY GENEROSITY, AND I, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR. 
          LIKE I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYBODY ON THE TOWN THAT DOESN'T THINK THAT THE PROGRAMS ARE VALUABLE OR, UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S WHEN I, WHEN I THINK IT GENEROUS, LIKE IT'S NOT MY MONEY TO BE GENEROUS WITH, IT'S THE TOWN ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS. 
          WELL, IT'S THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE USING THE ELECTRIC OR THE WATER SEWER. 
          BUT EVERY ONE OF THE TOWN CITIZENS IS PAYING COUNTY TAXES THAT ARE SUPPORTING THESE PROGRAMS THAT ARE PART OF PARKS AND REC. 
          UM, AND SO THEY ARE ALREADY, THEY ARE ALREADY CONTRIBUTING TO IT. 
          UM, SO, BUT ANYWAY, SO WE'LL GO ON NUMBER SEVEN. 
          THIS IS THE, UM, SO THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          AND SO THAT HAS, UM, BEEN BROUGHT UP A COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES. 
          AND, UM, SO, UH, THIS WAS AN ACTION FROM THE LAST LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING TO DEVELOP A POLICY. 
          SO LET ME JUST BACK UP A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE SINCE, UM, THAT WAS AT THE LAST LIAISON MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT IT AS A TOWN. 
          I'VE TALKED TO OUR TOWN ATTORNEY AND DIFFERENT THINGS, DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO GET A BETTER FEEL FOR THAT. 
          WE, WE CAUGHT IT A SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          WE CALLED IT AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          WE CALLED IT A COMMITTEE. 
          WE'VE CALLED IT ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, AND IT, IT WAS BORN OUT OF THE LIAISON COMMITTEE BECAUSE THE LIAISON COMMITTEE TALKED ABOUT, UM, TALKED ABOUT IT HOWEVER LONG AGO. 
          I MEAN, QUITE HONESTLY, EVEN A FEW YEARS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT WATER, WE TALKED ABOUT TRANSPORTATION WHEN WE HAD A LIAISON COMMITTEE TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT SOME OF THESE ISSUES ARE NOT SPECIFIC TO THE COUNTY OR SPECIFIC TO THE TOWN. 
          THEY'RE ACTUALLY THINGS THAT AFFECT US ALL. 
          AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WAS TO TALK ABOUT, UM, WE NEEDED TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND, AND THE DIFF DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE IT CAME UP. 
          BUT THEN THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT, IS IT AN AD HOC, IS IT AN OFFICIAL COMMITTEE? DO WE HAVE TO TAKE MINUTES? DO WE HAVE TO HAVE BYLAWS? ALL THESE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN'T ACTUALLY HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE OR AN AD HOC COMMITTEE OUT OF THE LIAISON COMMITTEE BECAUSE OUR MEMBERSHIP ROTATES. 
          THE CHAIRMAN AND THE MAYOR DOESN'T ROTATE. 
          BUT BECAUSE THE BOARD, UH, MEMBER AND COUNCIL MEMBER ROTATES, WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY, THIS IS CONSIDERED A JOINT COMMITTEE. 
          AND SO IF WE WANTED TO HAVE A TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE BOTH GROUPS WANT ONE MM-HMM. 
          , WE WOULD ACTUALLY, IT WOULD BE A JOINT COMMITTEE. 
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MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THE JOINT COMMITTEE WOULD NEED, UH, I, I CAN PULL IT UP HERE, BUT THE JOINT IT, WE, IF, IF COUNCIL WANTED TO SAY YES, WE WANTED TO FORM A JOINT COMMITTEE WITH THE COUNTY, AND THE COUNTY SAID YES, WE'D LIKE TO FORM A JOINT COMMITTEE WITH, UH, THE TOWN. 
          WE COULD CALL IT A TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. 
          UM, THIS PARTICULAR THING TALKS ABOUT ALTERNATIVE ACCESS TO HUNDO SHORES. 
          BUT I THINK THAT WE WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE NARROWING AND LIMITING IT TO JUST ONE AREA OF TRANSPORTATION WHEN WE REALLY NEED MORE THAN ONE. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA COME UP AS A TRANSPORTATION ISSUE IN, UH, IN OUR COUNTY TOWN. 
          SO, UM, THE, THE SUGGESTION WAS TO, TO HAVE OUR COUNCIL ASK COUNCIL, WHICH I THINK THEY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO, UM, AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, DO THEY WANNA FORM A JOINT COMMITTEE? AND THE JOINT COMMITTEE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, CALL WHAT WE WANT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR US IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S TRANSPORTATION AND THAT BECAUSE IT'S A JOINT COMMITTEE, IT WOULD BE A PUBLIC, UM, PUBLIC, UH, WHICH MEANS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ADVERTISE THE PUBLIC TO THE PUBLIC. 
          IT COULD ONLY HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF TOWN COUNCIL AND TWO MEMBERS OF BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          UM, AND THEY WOULD BE APPOINTED. 
          SO IT WOULDN'T BE A ROTATING THING. 
          IT WOULD BE, UM, AND WITH THAT, UM, MINUTES WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE TAKEN, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC MEETING, MEANING ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, WHICH NOBODY WAS TRYING TO KEEP THE PUBLIC FROM COMING TO THESE ANYWAY. 
          AND IT WOULD NEED A PURPOSE, I THINK, OR A VERY SPECIFIC PURPOSE. 
          IF YOU GIMME A SECOND, I'M GONNA FIND THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD, UM, AND I ONLY SHARE THAT BECAUSE I THINK THE INTENTION WAS GREAT FOR US. 
          THAT, THAT THE INTENTION WHEN THIS CAME ABOUT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING THAT THIS WAS AN ISSUE AND THAT TACKLING IT TOGETHER, WHICH WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE EARLIER TONIGHT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TENANTS, LANDLORDS THINGS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE CAN'T GO IT ALONE. 
          WE, THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER. 
          SO, UM, IT WAS, LET ME SEE, UH, WE COULD, IT COULD BE A FORMAL COMMITTEE. 
          A JOINT COMMITTEE COMPRISED NO MORE THAN TWO MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNING BODY. 
          IT WOULD BE A PUBLIC BODY, WHICH IS SUBJECT TO OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS. 
          IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO TAKE MINUTES. 
          UM, BUT IT WOULD NEED A CLEARLY STATED DELEGATED PURPOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO IF THAT CLEAR PURPOSE IS TO ADVISE ON TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, THEN THAT COULD BE THE PURPOSE. 
          UM, I, I ONLY OFFER THAT BECAUSE, AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WENT TO THE TROUBLE OF, YOU KNOW, UM, DRAFTING, YOU KNOW, BYLAWS, YOU KNOW, PROCEDURES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          NOW, THE PURPOSE, THIS, THIS MIGHT BE A HEAD START. 
          'CAUSE THE PURPOSE IS ALREADY, UH, LISTED HERE TO, UH, OFFER A VENUE WHEREBY MEMBERS THE TOWN OF FRONT WALL MM-HMM,  AND COUNTY BOARD CAN DISCUSS ISSUES INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT IT MAY BE THAT WE, IF, IF YOUR BOARD IS INTERESTED IN, UH, FORMING A JOINT COMMITTEE AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, INTERESTED IN, NOT SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT JOINT COMMITTEE, UM, WE COULD USE SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE. 
          BUT INSTEAD OF ALTERNATIVE ACCESS TO SH SHORES ROAD, ACTUALLY JUST THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. 
          AND THEN IT COULD, UM, IT COULD, IT IT COULD, IT WOULD HAVE A WIDER UMBRELLA OF THINGS THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED. 
          MM-HMM. 
           TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          YEAH. 
          TRANSPORTATION. 
          YEAH. 
          IT COULD BE, OR IT COULD BE TRANSPORTATION AND TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE INSTEAD OF JUST INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, UH, ORDER YOUR ALL'S THOUGHTS ON THAT. 
          UM, AND I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ALL THE LIKE MEETING SCHEDULE OR MEETING AGENDA, BUT WE COULD, I'M, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY ANY TIME YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING, YOU'RE GONNA WANNA HAVE AN AGENDA. 
          WE'D HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE PUBLIC WHEN IT WOULD MEET. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE, AND UM, THE MEMBERSHIP, I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THE IDEA WAS THAT WE WOULD APPOINT, YOU WOULD APPOINT PEOPLE TO THAT COMMITTEE, WHICH IS WHAT WAS REALLY ALREADY DONE. 
          I THINK WE DID. 
          I THINK IT'S ALL OF THESE THINGS, BUT IT'S JUST THE WAY WE WERE CALL WHAT WE WERE CALLING IT. 
          'CAUSE WE KEPT CALLING IT, UM, WE DIDN'T CALL THE 
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SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          WE DIDN'T, THAT WAS YEP. 
          THIS ALTERNATE ACCESS. 
          THAT WAS THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION THAT THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. 
          AND WHEN WE ORGANIZED AFTER, UM, WE WERE BLESSED TO GO, UH, DO THIS. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE ALWAYS CALLED IT WAS THE TRANSPORTATION. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE LEFT OFF THE TRANSPORTATION BUT JOINT TOWN COUNTY TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE. 
          AND YOU WERE PRETTY EFFECTIVE THAT YOU, I I GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT WAS AN EFFECTIVE GROUP. 
          THAT, AND, UM, THAT, SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, ARE WERE THERE ANY ISSUES IN PARTICULAR THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH FORMAL BYLAWS OR FORMAL PROCEDURES? I, I THOUGHT WE DID WELL AS A COMMITTEE. 
          WE, UM, WE WORKED SMALL. 
          THE FIRST MEETING WAS ORGANIZATIONAL. 
          UM, FIGURE OUT WHO THE STAKEHOLDERS AND WE NEEDED TO GET. 
          AND I'LL, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WAS AT THE PARDON MY BEST, UH, VO MEETING LAST NIGHT. 
          AND THE QUESTION WENT AROUND THE ROOM. 
          WHY DID WE NOT HAVE A RAILROAD REPRESENTATIVE HERE? WE ACTUALLY GOT A RAILROAD REPRESENTATIVE AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS. 
          UM, HAVEN'T GOTTEN HIM BACK SINCE, BUT WE HAD HIM THERE. 
          UM, WE HAD DEVELOPERS THERE THAT HAVE THE LAND IN QUESTION. 
          UM, OUT IN THAT AREA WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THAT CONNECTOR AND WHERE IT WOULD GO AND WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE GOT VDOT DOING A STUDY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I FELT LIKE WE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OF, UH, FOUNDATION BUILDING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND NOT, I MEAN, SOME OF THIS, 'CAUSE I SAW THAT, I SAW THAT LANGUAGE WHERE IT WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, PLANS TO THE TOWN COUNTY LIAISON COMMITTEE FOR APPROVAL BEFORE EXPENDING RESOURCES. 
          LIKE YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE GOING ROGUE. 
          OH NO. 
          YOU KNOW, WE WERE VACCINATING. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WAS FACT FINDING. 
          AND NEITHER GROUP WAS COMMITTING. 
          I MEAN, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THE TOWN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT DID YOUR BUY-IN HERE? AND THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT US. 
          WE JUST COLLABORATING. 
          AND FOR EACH MEETING, YOU KNOW, WE BUILT ON THE STAKEHOLDERS, OKAY, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE NOW, WHO ELSE DO WE NEED TO BRING INTO THE CONVERSATION TO MOVE IT ON A LITTLE FURTHER? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF GOT OFF AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A MEETING SINCE NOVEMBER SOMEWHERE, MAYBE OCTOBER. 
          IT WAS OCTOBER LAST TIME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HOLIDAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING. 
          WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. 
          AND WE WERE WORKING TOGETHER. 
          GREAT. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I I I WAS REALLY PLEASED WITH THE WAY WE WERE MAJORING ALONG. 
          SO, UM, SO, AND WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO IS, IS THAT IF WE, IF WE FORM THIS JOINT COMMITTEE OR, YOU KNOW, THEN IT WOULD BE LIKE A FORMAL COMMITTEE, BUT THE JOINT COMMITTEE, BUT IT'S NOT A JOINT COMMITTEE OF LIAISON BECAUSE LIAISON, AND THAT WAS WHERE, AND THAT'S WHERE I GOT, I WILL, I WILL ADMIT, LIKE I, WE TALKED ABOUT IT AS AT LIAISON, SO I ALWAYS FELT LIKE IT WAS A COMMITTEE THAT CAME OUTTA LIAISON, BUT I'M NOW TOLD THAT WE COULDN'T, YOU CAN'T REALLY DO THAT BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A SET COMMITTEE. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S ROTATING MEMBERS. 
          SO, WELL NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT WE CAN GO BACK AND YEAH. 
          CLEAN UP THE, UM, YEAH. 
          THE DISCREPANCIES OR WHATEVER IT IS. 
          AND THEN, I MEAN, NOT THAT WE DID ANYTHING WRONG, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, AND I'D LIKE TO KINDA LOOK OVER THESE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, DO EITHER ONE OF YOU WANT OF FOOL WITH SETTING UP AN AGENDA FOR WELL, I MEAN, WE ALWAYS GAVE YOU THE AGENDA. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING IS TOO, IS I WOULD LIKE TO, IF, IF, IF COUNCIL'S, UM, AMENABLE TO IT, AND WHICH I DON'T THINK THEY WON'T BE, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE BEEN ACTING AS THOUGH THERE WAS A COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD PREFER IT BE CALLED TRANSPORTATION AND IT COULD BE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THE ONLY REASON WHY I SAY IS I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A NARROW, LIKE JUST, JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE ONE ISSUE THAT COULD BE ONE ISSUE THAT'S DISCUSSED AT IT. 
          BUT IN CASE THERE'S ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ANOTHER TOPIC THAT COMES ALONG, YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN PEOPLE WANNA TALK ABOUT A TURN LANE HERE OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT, THAT'S NECESSARY. 
          YOU COULD STILL BE TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I DIDN'T CLARIFY AND I CAN, IS THAT WOULD, SO ANY OTHER COMMITTEE THAT WE HAVE THE TOWNHOUSE, LIKE WE HAVE OFFICIAL COMMITTEES, YOU KNOW, OUR FINANCE COMMITTEE, I'M SURE YOU GUYS DO AS WELL. 
          IN FACT, I KNOW YOU DO. 
          'CAUSE I, UH, KEEP UP WITH YOUR STUFF TOO, UM, IS THEY REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT, IS THAT, UM, IF WE FORMED 
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THIS JOINT COMMITTEE, JUST LIKE WE WILL GO BACK AND TELL COUNSEL WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LIAISON MEETING, YOU'LL GET, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT I THINK WE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I SOMETIMES I THINK WE PUT OUT TOO MUCH INFORMATION. 
          NO, I, I MEAN I NEVER FELT LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THAT MEETING. 
          SO, BUT, BUT THE ONLY THINKING IS, IS THAT IT WOULD TO BE THE JOINT COMMITTEE, JUST LIKE THIS ONE, ONLY TWO PEOPLE FROM EACH GROUP WOULD BE COMING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE. 
          SEEMS SO FUNNY TO SAY THAT, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS. 
          RIGHT? LIKE I KNOW WE'VE, YOU KNOW, TONIGHT WE'VE ALLOWED OTHER, YOU KNOW, OTHER SUPERVISORS TO SPEAK OR JOSH HASN'T, BUT I, WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY SPEAK BE, YOU KNOW, IF THE CHAIR CALLED ON THEM. 
          WE'VE DONE THAT. 
          BUT THE IDEA IS, IS THAT JUST THOSE TWO PEOPLE WOULD BE ATTENDING. 
          SO IF Y'ALL, I, I MEAN MY THOUGHT IS IS THAT, THAT WE GO BACK AND ASK COUNCIL, BASICALLY GO BACK AND ASK THEM WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. 
          , WOULD YOU MIND, UH, WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO CREATE A TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, A JOINT COMMITTEE WITH THE COUNTY? UM, AND YOU ALL DO THE SAME. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT WOULD BE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE COULD TAKE THIS LANGUAGE AND TWEAK THE PURPOSE OF IT. 
          UM, AND SO MR. DR. 
          DALEY, I SAY, DOCTOR, YOU WORKED HARD FOR THAT. 
          DR. 
          DALEY . 
          YES MA'AM. 
          YES YOU DID. 
          UM, ANYTHING THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE, THE COMMITTEE CAN UNDO. 
          SO ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE TECHNICALLY ACCORDING TO YOUR MINUTES OF THIS COMMITTEE MM-HMM. 
          , THIS IS A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THIS COMMITTEE AND CORRECT, UNDERSTAND MA'AM, THAT SAY THAT REALLY YOU CAN'T CREATE A SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT YOU TECHNICALLY YOU DID, WHETHER YOU COULD OR NOT. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S IN YOUR MINUTES. 
          I KNOW. 
          SO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS TO JUST IN THESE MINUTES SAY NO, WE'RE GOING TO, INSTEAD OF HAVING THIS, WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE TWO GOVERNING BODIES TO APPOINT TWO MEMBERS TO A BROADER COMMITTEE OF TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE OR WHATEVER ELSE YOU MAY WANT TO CALL IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN, AND THEN WE, WE CAN GO BACK. 
          BYLAWS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO HAVE. 
          YEAH. 
          ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE IN THERE YOU CAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF IT IS, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED BYLAWS, LIKE I SAID, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING DO WHAT YOU WANT. 
          IT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD JUST NEED THAT, THAT, THAT THAT COMMITTEE HAS A CLEARLY STATED PURPOSE OF WHATEVER THE PURPOSE IS. 
          AND IF THE PURPOSE IS TO EXPLORE TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS IN THE TOWN AND COUNTY, THAT COULD BE THE PURPOSE. 
          SO, SO MS. PRESLEY, UM, WE NEED TO DISBAND  THE, SORRY, JOHN, THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE I GUESS THERE, OR YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE NEED TO OFFICIALLY DO THAT, BUT WE CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, THAT WE ARE GOING TO YEAH. 
          THAT WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO OUR RESPECTIVE BOARDS COUNCIL AND, UM, FORM A JOINT AS TO FORM A JOINT COMMITTEE OF TWO MEMBERS OF EACH OF THOSE BOARDS. 
          UM, AND APPOINT THEM TO THAT, UH, AND, AND HAVE A CLEARLY STATED PURPOSE MOVING FORWARD. 
          AND THEY'LL BE UNDER THE OVERSIGHT OF, OF THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S AN OVERSIGHT. 
          I MEAN IT'S ACTUALLY US. 
          THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          LIKE IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOUR FI IS IS A LITTLE BIT D LIKE OURS, LIKE OUR FINANCE COMMITTEE AND THE THINGS THAT WE APPOINTED THAT FIRST IN JANUARY, THE SCHOLARSHIP COMMITTEE, THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE, WE'LL SEE WHO'S INTERESTED. 
          I IMAGINE ON OUR BOARD IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IF THEY'RE WILLING I SHOULD SAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO THEY WOULD GET TOGETHER WITH THE TWO PEOPLE FROM THE COUNTY AND YOU KNOW, AGREE TO A MEETING. 
          NOW I WILL SAY ONE THING, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO AGREE TO A MEETING DATE SO THAT IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU GOTTA COME UP WITH EVERY OTHER SEVERAL MONTHS OR WHATEVER. 
          YEAH. 
          THIRD, UM, WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH AT FOUR O'CLOCK AND TRIED TO GET OUTTA THERE BECAUSE YOUR PLANS MEETING COMES IN RIGHT AFTER AND YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          WE KEPT, IT WAS RARE THAT I DON'T THINK WE EVER WENT OVER TWO HOURS. 
          WE KEPT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          PRETTY MUCH BECAUSE THE DAY, WHAT WAS THE DAY OF THE WEEK? WEDNESDAY THE THIRD WEDNESDAYS, MR. WATS, YOU HAD, YOU WERE GONNA OFFER SOMETHING. 
          NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, UH, THE, THERE SHOULD BE MY OPINION. 
          THERE SHOULD BE A STAFF APPOINTMENT AS WELL BECAUSE UH, THIS IS GONNA REQUIRE SOME STAFF INPUT. 
          OKAY. 
          STAFF EDUCATING AND YEAH, 
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SO I WOULD, I WOULD, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHY WE PULLED, LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE, WE STARTED WITH JUST THE FOUR AND YOU KNOW, TO FIGURE OUT ORGANIZING AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHO DO WE NEED. 
          THEN WE BROUGHT IN, UM, LAUREN FROM PLANNING, MATT FROM PLANNING, UM, TERRAN WAS IN THERE INVOLVED UNTIL SHE WENT TO THE REGIONAL COMMISSION. 
          SO WE DID, WE FIGURED OUT WHO WE NEEDED. 
          'CAUSE WE DIDN'T WANNA PUT TOO MANY COOKS IN THE KITCHEN, BUT WE WANTED TO HAVE THE RIGHT COOKS IN THE KITCHEN. 
          SO. 
          AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE STAFF COULD ALSO, LIKE, YOU COULD PULL IN MORE, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE, I'M THINKING LIKE ROBBIE WITH PUBLIC WORKS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , DEPENDING ON SOME FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT HE WOULD HAVE KNOWLEDGE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE OR, OR JOE OR ANYBODY ELSE. 
          SO JOE CAME AS WELL, RIGHT? YES YOU DID. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO DO, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE, WE GO AHEAD AND SET WHO THE STAFF IS COMING OR JUST THAT IT, THAT THAT ONE STAFF MEMBER, BUT YOU COULD ADD, INVITE MORE. 
          'CAUSE YOU ALL ARE NOT, YOU ALL AREN'T THE TWO PEOPLE RULE LIKE WE ARE, WE CAN HAVE A RIGHT. 
          UM, I GUESS FOR ME, I'M TRYING TO BE, UH, UH, UM, TO RECOGNIZE STAFF'S COMMITMENT. 
          SO FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO BE AWARE OF WHAT STAFF'S COMMITMENT IS FOR THIS COMMITTEE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, BEFORE I CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE STAFF IS THERE AVAILABLE WHEN YOU NEED THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD SAY IN THE PAST THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, I, I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE ASK WAS UNTIL I GOT TO THE MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, AND STAFF WAS THERE. 
          SO FOR ME IT WOULD BE JUST A BETTER COORDINATION FOR ME TO KNOW WHAT STAFF'S COMMITMENT IS FOR THIS. 
          YOU MEAN COMMITMENT ISN'T SHOWING UP OR WHAT, WHAT MEETING, SHOWING IN WRITING MASKS NEED TO BRING, PROVIDING DATA. 
          I UNDERSTAND NOW. 
          SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT FOR STAFF TO KNOW WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA AHEAD OF TIME. 
          SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GONNA ASK AT THE TRANSPORTATION MEETING THAT YOU'RE, THAT STAFF IS PREPARED. 
          AND THAT WAS ONE WEAKNESS THAT I WILL SAY BECAUSE UM, THERE WERE MEETINGS THAT, UM, A COUPLE OF TIMES DEVELOPERS THAT EVIDENTLY HAD TALKED TO LAUREN AND I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE COMING, WHICH WAS NOT A HUGE DEAL. 
          UM, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW EITHER. 
          SO I, YOU KNOW, SO COMMUNICATION, WE DO NEED TO TWEAK THAT AND GET IT BETTER. 
          OKAY. 
          AGREE WITH THAT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE Y'ALL WANNA ADD? OH, WISEMAN, SINCE YOU DID THAT'S GOOD. 
          WE WOULD DESIGNATE SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNTY AND OKAY. 
          SOMEBODY FROM THE TOWN TO OKAY. 
          TO BE THE STAFF COORDINATOR. 
          TRYING TO KEEP IT BACK FOCUSED ON WHAT MM-HMM. 
           YOU'RE DOING. 
          UH, SOUNDS GOOD. 
          THE LAST ITEM, UM, THE TOWN PUT ON THERE AND IT WAS JUST, 'CAUSE THE LAST MEETING, UM, UH, IT WAS THE APTEX CONSERVANCY UPDATE AND MR. PETTY, I I I, WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED THAT UPDATE THROUGH EMAIL. 
          RIGHT. 
          LIKE ALL THE DI MM-HMM. 
          SO DO YOU WANNA, DO YOU WANNA JUST SUMMARIZE IT REAL QUICK JUST SO THAT, AND I ONLY SAY THAT NOT FOR US, BUT FOR  THE PUBLIC. 
          YEAH, JUST A QUICK UPDATE. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN  A PROJECT, WE'VE PRESENTED IT MULTIPLE TIMES. 
          I KNOW LIZZIE'S PRESENTED COUNSEL, I PRESENTED THE BOARD RESPECTFULLY AND THEN AS PART OF THAT ACT TEXT CONSERVANCY AND THE TRAIL WAS LISTED ON THERE, IT HAD GONE THROUGH A FEW VERSIONS. 
          WE'VE BEEN VERY OPTIMISTIC AND HOPEFUL THAT WE WOULD GET SOMETHING GOING AT THE AVTEC TRAIL. 
          WE HAD THE TOUR, WE'VE MET WITH EPA, WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          HOWEVER, KNOWING THAT THERE WAS THIS DEADLINE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR TO ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS, WE HAVE NOT MADE THE PROGRESS WE HAD HOPED FOR WITH THE EPA. 
          AND EVEN AS OF TODAY, UH, THEY STILL ARE WORKING WITH DOJ AND EPA TO INTERPRET THE COVENANTS AND TO UNDERSTAND IF WE WHERE AND HOW WE CAN BUILD THIS TRAIL DOWN THERE. 
          SO UNTIL WE GET THE GREEN LIGHT FROM THEM, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO THERE. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO, SO WE, THE, THAT MONEY JUST WENT INTO EXISTING PROJECT BUCKETS AND WE, THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY JUST SPLIT RESPECTFULLY JUST TOWARDS THOSE TWO THAT WERE ALREADY IN THERE SINCE WE WERE SHORT ON TIME. 
          AND THEN WE DIDN'T HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME NEW PROJECT TO THEN GO THROUGH APPROVAL AND GET THE STATES AND, AND GO THROUGH THAT. 
          SO, AND NOW AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE TILL THE END OF JUNE TO SPEND IT. 
          WE MET AGAIN THIS WEEK. 
          IT WAS, UH, LIZZIE, MYSELF, BJ AND ALYSSA FROM OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND LESLIE BOWERY ARE TOURISM MANAGER. 
          WE ARE PLANNING TO MEET PROBABLY EVERY TWO WEEKS TO KEEP US ON TRACK WITH ALL THE ARPA FUNDS MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO WE STAY ON TRACK TO GET THAT MONEY SPENT AND GET THESE PROJECTS DONE. 
          SO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YEAH, IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT WE'LL KEEP PUSHING ON THE AFEC TRAIL AS AS TIME GOES AND WORK WITH THE EPA AND ONCE WE GET A GREEN LIGHT, WE'LL THEN BE LOOKING AT OTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN UTILIZE 
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DOWN THERE AND NOT USE OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS. 
          OKAY. 
          SPEAKING OF TRAILS, I JUST REMEMBERED TOMORROW'S THE TRAIL MEETING TOMORROW. 
          IT IS VIRTUAL. 
          YES, I KNOW IF VIRTUAL, BECAUSE WE'RE EXPECTING ALL, THERE'S NO DAY. 
          I'LL BE JUMPING RIGHT ON THERE. 
          SO YES IT IS UH, 3:00 PM THREE O'CLOCK. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'D BE EXCITED TO HEAR WHAT THE UPDATES ARE FOR THE SHINDO RAIL TRAIL. 
          YEP. 
          3:00 PM I DUNNO WHY I THOUGHT THAT WAS IN PERSON, SO I'M GLAD YOU SAID IT WAS. 
          IT WAS. 
          AND THEN I THINK YESTERDAY OR TODAY THEY BUMPED IT. 
          THEY DIDN'T SEND ME THAT THEN. 
          I DIDN'T GET THAT ONE EITHER. 
          HAPPY TO DRIVE, WHICH IS, I WAS NOT REALLY BE IN PERSON ANYWAY. 
          THREE FULL, BUT I'LL MAKE SURE I WAS GONNA CALL YOU AND SEE YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN SEND IT TO ME IN CASE THERE'S A LINK BECAUSE I THINK I GOT IT. 
          I THINK I GOT IT. 
          IT KEEPS SHOWING UP ON MY CALENDAR, BUT THE LINK IS UM, 'CAUSE I'M THINKING WE WON'T HAVE SCHOOL. 
          WHO KNOW? WELL YOU DID. 
          SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I'M AFRAID TO ASK? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT PEOPLE WANNA ADD TO THE, I MEAN THAT WAS NOT ON OUR AGENDA, SO IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE'VE MAYBE MISSED? AND IF NOT, YAY . 
          UM, DON'T WORRY ABOUT ABT TECHS MA'AM. 
          WE'VE ONLY BEEN AT IT 35 MINUTES. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW. 
          I, I'LL, I'LL ADD, I JUST TOOK MY FIRST BITE OF THE SOUP AND IT'S DELICIOUS. 
          , I HOPE EVERYONE IN SO FEEL FREE. 
          YEAH. 
          HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY WILL GET SOMETHING TO EAT AFTERWARDS BECAUSE OTHERWISE CHERYL'S GOTTA GET THAT STUFF BACK DOWN THE STAIRS. 
          UM, SO OUR NEXT MEETING IS THURSDAY, APRIL 18TH AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER. 
          RIGHT. 
          IS THAT GOOD? AND IT'S AT 6:00 PM UM, SO ANYWAY, I I, YOU KNOW, WE SAY 6:00 PM BUT WE MOVED IT TONIGHT FOR THE COLD, BUT YOU KNOW, UM, YEAH, THERE WON'T BE COLD IN APRIL, BUT YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY EVER WANTS TO AND WE DO THAT MAINLY SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CAN ATTEND GET HERE. 
          I KNOW IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR STAFF 'CAUSE YOU ALL JUST HAVE TO END THE DAY AND THEN SHOW UP. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I MEAN, THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY COMING. 
          MR. PRESSLEY, YOU GOT EVERYTHING YOU NEED? YEP. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AND SHE'LL SEND OUT SOME MINUTES BEFORE THE NEXT ONE. 
          THANKS EVERYBODY. 
          LET'S FELLOWSHIP A LITTLE BIT AND WE CAN HAVE.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.