* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] OKEY [Board of Architectural Review on January 9, 2024.] DOKEY. CALL ORDER BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW MEETING FOR TUESDAY, JANUARY 9TH. UM, GUESS WE CAN DO A ROLL CALL. CHAIRMAN WATERS PRESENT. VICE CHAIRMAN RODER. MS. SNYDER. MR. VAUGHN HERE. MS. AERS HERE. YOU DO HAVE A QUORUM. ALRIGHT, WELL GONNA HOLD OFF ON THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AND GIVE KATIE A LITTLE BIT TIME. MAYBE SHE'LL GET HERE AND WE CAN MOVE RIGHT INTO APPLICATION 2 3 0 0 7 8 9. THAT PRESENTATION. UH, SO THE APPLICATION IS FOR ONE EAST MAIN STREET, WARREN COUNTY COURTHOUSE. IT'S A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION FOR THE PLACEMENT OF, OF A GRANITE MEMORIAL BENCH, TWO MONUMENTS WITH PLAQUES AND A DA ACCESSIBLE BRICK WALKWAY TO THE BENCH AND LANDSCAPING FOR THE SITE OF THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR SOLDIERS MEMORIAL PROJECT. THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IS LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF EAST MAIN STREET AND SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE ANEW. IF YOU REVIEWED YOUR PACKET, UH, THERE'S A STAFF REPORT INCLUDED WITH THAT, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPRO, THIS APPLICATION AND THE PRESERVATION ASSOCIATES OF VIRGINIA REPORT. UM, A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE BUILDING LOCATED EAST ONE AT ONE EAST MAIN STREET. THE ESTIMATED DATE OF CONSTRUCTION WAS 1935 AND THE STRUCTURE IS REFLECTIVE OF THE LOCAL BUILDING TRADITIONS USING NATIVE STONE AS MODELED FROM THE HANOVER COUNTY COURTHOUSE WITH THE, UH, PROPERTY. NOTABLE LANDSCAPE. FEATURES INCLUDE A FLAT GRASSY LAWN IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, TWO FLAG POLES. ONE CONFEDERATE MONUMENT ARE WORLD WAR I AND A WORLD WAR II AND A VIETNAM VETERANS MEMORIAL. THESE MONUMENTS ARE LISTED AS CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROPERTY AND ARE CONSIDERED HAVING A RELATIONSHIP OF SECONDARY RESOURCES. SO, UH, THEIR OUTLINE IN RED IS THE PROPOSED LOCATION FOR THE BENCH AND THE SIGNS. UH, SO THEY BRIEFLY LAID OUT THE AREA THERE WITH THE BENCH AND THE, UH, TWO MONUMENTS WITH THE PLAQUES ON EACH SIDE OF THAT. THAT GIVES US A VIEW THERE. ALSO THE VIEW FROM THE STREET, IF YOU LOOK OUT FOR EAST MAIN STREET, THE AREA THAT THEY WILL, UH, ASKING TO PUT THE, UH, MONUMENTS THERE AND BASICALLY THE GRANITE, UH, BENCH WOULD LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO THAT. SO THE REST OF THE MONUMENTS IN THE AREA, UH, HOLD SIGNIFICANT VALUE TO THE PROPERTY, UH, ACCORDING TO THE PRESERVATION ASSOCIATION THAT THEY DID. UH, SO THE GROUNDS IS ALSO PART OF THAT. SO THAT'S THE REASON, UH, YOU'RE MEETING HERE TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL LOCATION AND IF THESE, UH, BENCHES ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE HISTORICAL AREA. SO PUT IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF VIETNAM. YES. AND THEY'LL DO LANDSCAPING HERE AND HAVE, THIS WILL BE BRICK PAPERS MATCHING THOSE THAT ARE OUT IN THE SIDEWALK. UH, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THESE. THOSE WILL MATCH UP TO THAT. UH, AND THAT'S THE GRANITE, VERY SIMILAR TO THAT GRANITE BENCH THAT'LL BE THERE. UH, AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE REASON WE'RE WANTING TO DO THIS, UH, OR 2026 TO GET THINGS ROLLING FOR THAT. AND THERE'S THE OVERALL VIEW WHERE WE LOCATED THERE ON THE GROUNDS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MAY HAVE OR, OR GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT ON THE PROJECT IF YOU ROLLING OUT. HI. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, FIRST ONE THAT POPS IN MY MIND IS WHICH WAY IS THE BENCH GONNA FACE? IS IT FACE THE COURTHOUSE OR FACING THE STREET? IT'S GONNA BE FACING THE COURTHOUSE. OKAY. SO WHEN PEOPLE COME IN OFF THE STREET, UM, AND THEY WOULD TURN LEFT, THEN THERE'D BE THE FIRST LITTLE MEMORIAL OF THE BENCH AND THEN THE SECOND ONE. SO IT'D BE FACING THE COURTHOUSE AND THEN THE BRICK PAPERS WOULD [00:05:01] GO BACK AROUND BEHIND FOR 80 ACCESSIBILITY. GOTCHA. BECAUSE THEY DO WANNA PUT THE NAMES OF THE, THE PEOPLE THAT SERVED, UM, DURING THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. SO SOME OF THOSE WILL PROBABLY GO ON THE BACK OF THE BENCH AS WELL. SO WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO GO AROUND AND SEE ALL OF THEM. COOL. NOW HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET THOSE NAMES? BECAUSE THERE WAS NO WARREN COUNTY THEN THE SONS OF AMERICAN REVOLUTION HAVE, HAVE COMPILED SOME THE NAMES. OKAY. I'M NOT, YEAH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SIT DOWN? I'M GOOD, SANDY. I'M, I'VE BEEN SITTING ALL DAY AND SO YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS 250 YEAR PROGRAM? SO, UH, THE VIRGINIA TWO 50TH, UM, CELEBRATING THE 250TH FOR THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. UM, I BELIEVE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE EVENTS HAVE ALREADY STARTED, I GUESS WITH THE, UM, UH, THE BOSTON TEA PARTY. I THINK SOME OF THAT, SOME OF THOSE EVENTS HAVE ALREADY STARTED. UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS, UH, THE BENCH. UH, WE'VE APPLIED FOR VIRGINIA, UM, TOURISM COMMISSION, VIRGINIA TWO 50TH MARKETING GRANT. UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL FIND OUT SOMETIME IN THE LATTER PART OF FEBRUARY. AND THEN, UM, DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE THAT LONG TO DO THE PROJECT. UM, IT WOULD BE KIND OF NICE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT IN SOMETIME AROUND, UH, DR. JOSEPH WARREN'S, UM, BIRTH DATE AND YOU KNOW, THE DATE OF HIS, UH, DEATH AS WELL IN JUNE. 'CAUSE I THINK THERE WAS LIKE A WEEK'S DIFFERENCE IN THERE. SO, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL BE ABLE TO GET IT IN BY THEN, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO POSSIBLE. WELL, IT WOULD ALSO BE THE ANNIVERSARY OF BUNKER HILL. OH, OKAY. RIGHT. THAT'S WHERE YOU GOT GUILT. YEAH. YEAH. SO, SO CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE ABOUT EACH MONUMENT? SO ONE OF THE MONUMENTS, I DON'T KNOW, I BELIEVE ON THIS SIDE, UM, THERE IS AN EXISTING, UM, MONUMENT THAT'S OVER AT THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE OR COUNTY, UH, GOVERNMENT OFFICE RIGHT NOW. THERE'S ONE RIGHT? IT'S, THERE'S A LITTLE RECESS IN THE HEDGE RIGHT THERE. MM-HMM, RIGHT AT THE CORNER. YEAH. MM-HMM. . AND I THINK THAT ONE'S GOING TO BE MOVED OVER TO BE ON THE ONE SIDE OF THE BENCH. AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE THEY'RE GONNA DO ONE SIMILAR TO IT. AND I THINK THE PLAQUE ON THAT ONE IS GOING TO BE, UM, TO THE TALKING ABOUT OR DEDICATED TO THE SON AMERICAN REVOLUTION AND ALSO, UM, SOMETHING TALKING ABOUT, UH, DR. JOSEPH WARREN AS WELL. SO YEAH. BUT WITH HAVING THE OTHER MONUMENTS THERE, IT WOULD BE, IT'D BE VERY NICE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT FOR THE, FOR THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. SO I WISH THEY WERE HERE BECAUSE THEY KEEP WANTING TO PUSH JOSEPH WARREN, WHO THE COUNTY IS NAMED AFTER. MM-HMM. . BUT HE WAS NEVER HERE. BUT WE HAD GENERAL RUSSELL WHO WAS HERE AND OWNED ALL THE LAND UP THERE WHERE THE FIRST BRIDGE IS, WHICH, UM, AND HE DIDN'T GET ANY CREDIT. AND THE REASON HE GOT THAT LAND WAS, 'CAUSE HE'S ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE KNIGHTS OF GOLDEN HORSESHOE. WHAT'S THAT? THE FIRST MEN TO COME OVER WOULD GOVERNOR SPOTSWOOD. OH, OKAY. NICE. YEAH. IN IN A GROUP. YEAH. THAT'S HOW HE GOT THE LAND. HE'S THINKING IT SHOULD BE RUSSELL COUNTY. WELL, THERE'S ALREADY ONE IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA. YEAH. WELL THAT'S THE SAME AFTER HIM. OH, OKAY. YEAH, HE'S THE ONE THAT HIS, UH, HIS OLDEST SON WENT OUT ON A SCA THROUGH WITH JOHN BOONE. DANNY BOONE'S OLDEST SON. THEY WERE BOTH LIKE 17 AND THEY WERE MASTERED BY THE SHAW RIGHT THERE WHERE WEST VIRGINIA MEETS KENTUCKY. YIKES. ARE THERE GONNA BE ANY OTHER PROJECTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS VIRGINIA TWO 50 RIGHT NOW? UM, ONE THING WE DO WANNA DO A BROCHURE THAT WE WOULD PUT OUT KIND OF AROUND THE SAME TIME LISTING, YOU KNOW, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE BENCH AND, AND DR. . UM, AND THEN WE ARE JUST KIND OF STARTING TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ELSE MIGHT HAPPEN AS FAR AS THE VIRGINIA CHIEF BECAUSE THE COUNTY'S DOING THIS KIND OF, IS IT WITH THE TOWN OR LIKE ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN? HOW DOES THAT WORK? UM, THIS IS, THIS IS A COUNTY, THE COUNTY. IT'S JUST GOING THE COUNTY GRANT RIGHT NOW AS WE'VE JUST PUT, PUT IT IN THE COUNTY. SO TECHNICAL QUESTION. MM-HMM. . AND I SAW IN THE NOTES THAT THESE MONUMENTS ARE GONNA HAVE CONCRETE BASES, I ASSUME THE BENCHES TOO. AND THIS, THESE BRICK PAVERS, ARE THEY GONNA BE JUST DRY LAID? ARE THEY GONNA BE SET ON SAND OR CONCRETE? IS THEY GONNA BE CONCRETE, HAVE A BRICK ON TOP OR I, I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. I'M SORRY ON THAT ONE. I DON'T KNOW THAT ONE. THAT'S, I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO SINK AND BE A MESS, YOU KNOW. YEAH. UM, I REALLY, I DON'T KNOW. [00:10:01] ONE TOLD ME WE ONLY MAKE PLENTY OF CENTS IF YOU EXCAVATE IT ENOUGH. ALL UNITS, ALL UNITS WILL HAVE A CONCRETE BASIN PAD IT, THE WHOLE AREA WILL. YEAH. MM-HMM. WELL, IT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION STATED THAT. OKAY. OKAY. DO YOU MIND ONLY CONCERN? YEAH. IT SEEM TO HAVE A DUCKS IN A ROW. EXPLAIN TO, I TALKED TO THE GENTLEMAN, I TALKED TO DALE. MM-HMM. AND UH, AND UH, REVEREND JOHNSON. OKAY. AND MATT WENDLING IS THE YEAH, GENTLEMAN. HE WAS THERE TOO WHO PUT THE APPLICATION INTO YOU ALL. SO HE HANDLED A LITTLE BIT MORE AS FAR AS THE, THE PLACE, YOU KNOW, THE PLACEMENT THAT ALL OF THE, UM, MECHANICS PUTTING IT IN. OKAY. YEAH. SO HE WASN'T ABLE TO COME TONIGHT, SO NO, NO WORRIES. JULIE, THE MONUMENT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S RIGHT IN BEHIND THOSE BUSHES. YEP. SO YOU'RE GONNA MOVE THAT ONE? NO, THE ONE THAT I BELIEVE THEY ARE MOVING IS THE ONE THAT'S OVER NEAR THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT OFFICE RIGHT NOW. KIND OF BACK BEHIND THERE. I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT THEY'RE MOVING. I BELIEVE THIS ONE'S STAYING. THAT'S VERY, IT'S OBSCURE. YOU CAN'T SEE IT, RIGHT? NO, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T SEE IT VERY WELL AT ALL. NO. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT ONE'S BEING, UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ONE'S BEING BOTHERED AT ALL. I THINK IT IS GONNA BE THE ONE THAT'S BEING REMOVED FROM OVER THE GOVERNMENT OFFICES IS GONNA BE ONE OF THE ONES ON, I BELIEVE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BENCH IF YOU'RE FACING IT. AND THEN, UM, I BELIEVE THE NEW ONE'S GONNA BE PUT UP FOR THE, FOR THE, THE RIGHT SIDE. MM-HMM. FOR THE MARKER. I MIGHT BE WRONG, THE PLACE ON WHICH SIDE IT IS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA BE. SEE, THEY, IT IS, IT'S TRICKY TO GET ALL THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN WARREN COUNTY BECAUSE SOME HALF 'EM LIVED IN CDO COUNTY. WELL IT WAS CDO COUNTY THEN HALF OF 'EM LIVED IN FREDERICK COUNTY 'CAUSE THEY TOOK PARTS OF FREDERICK AND PARTS OF MM-HMM. CDO MADE US. SO LIKE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE EVERYBODY LIVES SOUTH OF MAIN STREET IN VILLE COUNTY OR WENT NORTH OF MAIN STREET IS IN FREDERICK COUNTY. OKAY. SO, LIKE I SAID, I, THE ONLY THING I WOULD WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK ON IS, YOU KNOW, THE I, BUT I, I REALLY THINK IT'S THE MONUMENT THAT'S SEPARATE. THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT BUILDING RIGHT NOW IS WHAT'S GONNA BE MOVED OVER HERE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY LIKE TO PROPOSE A MOTION? LET'S HEAR IT. READ OUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO. PLUS IT'S FOR REPLACEMENT OF A GRANITE MEMORIAL BENCH. TWO MONUMENTS WITH PLAQUES IN AN A DA ACCESSIBLE BRICK WALKWAY TO THE BENCH AND LANDSCAPING FOR THE SITE AND YEAH, I'M ALL FOR IT. , JUST MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS YEAH, AS SUBMITTED. ALL RIGHT. DO I NEED TO READ THIS? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLACEMENT OF A GRANITE MEMORIAL BENCH, TWO MONUMENTS WITH FLAGS AND 80 A ACCESSIBLE BRICK WALKWAY TO THE BENCH AND LANDSCAPING FOR THE SITE OF THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR SOLDIERS MEMORIAL PROJECT. I SECOND IT AS SUBMITTED. AS SUBMITTED. . I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, ANY OTHER BUSINESS? I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING. ALRIGHT. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING DONE ON THE LAST ONES WE'VE PROVED OF, SO NO, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I, WE HAVE ANY NEW APPLICATIONS THAT'LL BE COMING THEM FOR TODAY? UH, NO NEW APPLICATIONS FOR FEBRUARY WE RECEIVED. YOU DID LOOK AT REVIEW THREE IN, IN DECEMBER AT THE DECEMBER MEETING AND JUST THIS ONE HERE, UH, HAVE NONE SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY. HOW SOON DO THEY HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED IN ORDER TO BE GIVEN TO US BY FEBRUARY? UM, I'M, I'M BELIEVE, YEAH, I'D HAVE TO LOOK ON THAT TO BE CERTAIN. SO THERE IS A DEADLINE, ? YES, THERE IS DEADLINE PROCESS AND YEAH. ALRIGHT, WELL THE ONLY BECAUSE OF NOW YOUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE MARCH UNLESS WE GET ANY FROM MARCH. OKAY. UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING WE JUST GOTTA PUSH THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 12TH, [00:15:01] UM, TO THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH. UM, OKAY. AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BYLAWS OR ANYTHING TO REVIEW, UM, AT THE NEXT MEETING? WOULD YOU LIKE TO RE KIND OF REVIEW THE HISTORICAL GUIDELINES? YEAH, SURE. DO Y'ALL WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES TILL THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE POSTPONE THE APPROVAL OF THE DECEMBER 12TH MINUTES UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. SO YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD HAVE A, A WORK SESSION HEARING? I'M SAYING IF AT THE NEXT MEETING IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO NEED TO JUST YEAH. READ I THINK ONCE A YEAR YOU GUYS NEED TO PUT EYES ON IT, READ THROUGH IT. CAN WE DO THAT IN FEBRUARY? I MEAN, IF THERE'S NOT AN APP, CAN WE, IF YOU WANNA HAVE JUST A WORK SESSION TO LOOK AT THE GUIDELINES, WE CAN YEAH, IT DOES HELP TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY. YES, I WOULD, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT FOR SURE. OKAY. YEAH, IT'S COMING ON. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. SO WE'LL SCHEDULE MEETING FEBRUARY THEN. ALRIGHT. JUDGE, MAKE A MOTION. DON'T LET HIM. YEAH, WELL WE'LL JUST HAVE A REGULAR MEETING. YEAH. SCHEDULED MEETING. OKAY. IN FEBRUARY. YEP. FOR YOU. ALRIGHT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL SECOND THAT. THOSE DO IT. FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.