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I AM GONNA CALL THE MEETING TO
[Town Council Work Session on January 2, 2024.]
ORDER THE, UH, REGULAR WORK SESSION, THE TOWN COUNCIL FOR JANUARY, TUESDAY, JANUARY 2ND.MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR COCKWELL HERE.
WELCOME EVERYBODY AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.
WE GOT A, A FULL AGENDA HERE TONIGHT.
UM, SO THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS THE FY 25.
THAT SEEMS SO WEIRD 'CAUSE WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT BEING 24.
WE'RE ALREADY, WE'RE NOT DONE WITH 24 YET, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUDGETARY ITEMS FOR REVIEW AND THE BUDGET.
MR. WILSON'S GONNA HELP US OUT HERE.
SO, UH, WHAT I SENT OUT THERE WAS A LIST OF THE, UH, PROJECTS AND HIGHLIGHTS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD TO COUNCIL HERE, UH, HERE IN THE NEXT FUTURE FOR APPROVAL.
WE'RE PROVIDING THIS LIST OF COUNCIL, UH, IN ADVANCE BEFORE WE'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING THE ACTUAL BUDGET.
AND I'M SORRY THAT'S A LITTLE SMALL.
I DO HAVE SOME PAPER COPIES IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE SEND IT.
YOU ALSO SENT IT TO US IN AN EMAIL TO YOU.
YEAH, I WAS SENT IN AN EMAIL AS WELL.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I GIVEN THIS LIST OF COUNSEL PRIOR, BEFORE WE BUILD THE, UH, BUILD THE BUDGET, UH, WITH OUR, UH, GENERAL FAULTS.
NOT ALL THESE ITEMS WILL BE INCORPORATED, UH, THE PEACH, DI PEACH ITEMS THERE, UH, ALREADY, UH, PRETTY MUCH PLANNING ON DEFERRING THOSE ITEMS, UH, TO, IN ORDER TO BALANCE THE, UH, BUDGET.
UH, SO I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THESE ITEMS, BUT I WILL, UH, THEY CAN CHOOSE SOME OF THESE OUT HERE JUST TO, FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION.
FEEL FREE TO ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS.
WE HAVE MAJORITY OF, I THINK ALL OF ACTUALLY THE DIRECTORS HERE, UH, TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST VERY PRELIMINARY.
UH, NOTHING SET IN STONE, BUT I GONNA GO THROUGH 'EM HERE A LITTLE BIT.
SO THE VERY FIRST ONE THERE, THE ESTIMATED 7% MEDICAL INSURANCE INCREASE OF $125,000.
UM, THAT IS INDEED EXACTLY THAT.
WE WON'T GET THE ACTUAL FIGURES PROBABLY UNTIL LATE FEBRUARY.
ANY CHANCE THEY'LL BE HIGHER? YEP.
UM, THAT IS THE 7% IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE SEEN, WE'VE SEEN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
I THINK LAST YEAR WAS JUST A FRACTION OF A PERCENT.
WHERE LAURA AT? YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS? LIKE? 1%? MAYBE IT'S UNDER 2%.
IT WAS, IT WAS A REALLY SMALL FIGURE, BUT WE HAVE SEEN THEM AS MUCH AS 15%.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF A PLUG FIGURE AS IS THE, UH, 3% COAL, 3% MERIT, UH, $311,000.
AND THEN, UH, CONVERTING A PART-TIME CUSTODIAN OHIO TO FULL-TIME.
THEN WE HAVE THE PEACH, UH, ITEMS. LIKE I SAY, WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, DEFER THOSE TO A FUTURE YEAR.
UH, AND THIS IS KIND OF THE, THE STAFFING HIGHLIGHT, UH, STAFFING SALARY HIGHLIGHT.
MOVING OVER HERE TO THE SERVICES.
GOING DOWN THROUGH HERE, UH, LISTING OUT ALL THE SPECIAL EVENTS JUST FOR, UH, COUNCIL'S, UH, INFORMATION THERE.
UH, LOOKING DOWN HERE AT HORTICULTURE, UH, THOSE PROJECTS ARE MAINLY ACES INIT INITIATIVES.
UH, THE TOTAL OF THE 25,000, 6,000, 2,005,000, $38,000 THERE.
UH, SO THOSE ARE, UH, FAIRLY NEW PROJECTS.
THE, UM, LOOKING HERE AT THE GREEN HIGHLIGHTED FOR THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, YOU'LL SEE THROUGHOUT THIS WHAT I PUT TOGETHER, UM, LOOKING FOR SOME POTENTIAL FINANCING.
NOT SAYING THAT WE WILL, UH, BUT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS, UM, UH, REALLY TO BALANCE THE BUDGET AND ALSO LOOKING TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE UPCOMING YEARS.
WE DO HAVE SOME DEBT SERVICE FOR THE WATER PLANT THAT'LL BE DROPPING OFF NEXT YEAR.
UM, ABOUT THE, UH, I'D SAY NEXT YEAR IN 2026.
ACTUALLY, THE LAST PAYMENT IS DUE IN OCTOBER OF 2026.
UM, AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A FULL PAYMENT.
SO, UH, BUT, UH, LOOKING AT THAT, THE, UH, UH, CLEARWELL REPAIRS, UH, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO, UH, SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.
SOME OF THESE, AS WE MOVE ALONG, YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY ARE, UH, INCREASING IN, UH, IN THE AMOUNTS.
UM, A, UH, FUTURE EVALUATION FOR THE WATER SOURCE OF MCKAY SPRINGS THERE FOR $30,000.
UH, YOU'LL SEE ON HERE FOR UNDER THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
WE HAVE A SEWER MODEL UPDATE AND ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
SO THE SEWER MODEL UP UPDATE IS, UH, MAINLY FOR THE CAPACITY.
ROBBY, HELP ME OUT HERE IF I'M WRONG, IS FOR THE CAPACITY OF OUR SEWER SYSTEM.
AND THEN THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM IS ACTUALLY TO TELL US WHEN THOSE COMPONENTS NEED TO BE REPLACED.
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UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, THAT ON THE WATER SIDE, CORRECT? YEAH.UH, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THAT ON THE SEWER SIDE.
UH, THEN FOR WATER AND SEWER FOR NEXT YEAR, WE HAVE A COST OF SERVICE STUDY FOR $60,000.
UH, WE DID THE LAST COST OF SERVICE STUDY FOR WATER AND SEWER WAS DONE IN FISCAL YEAR 20.
UH, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CHANGES HERE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT'S, UH, AFFECTED THE, UH, WATER AND SEWER.
UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE THAT DONE AGAIN IN, AND THEN UNDER SOLID WASTE THERE, THE BRUSH GRINDING SERVICES FOR $50,000.
SO WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THAT MORE ALONG WITH THE, UH, SOLID WASTE STUDY NEXT WEEK DURING THE WORK SESSION.
UH, 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE SOLID WASTE COST OF SERVICE STUDY, UH, COMING BACK.
AND KIND OF MOVING ON TO THE NEXT PAGE.
GOT A BUNCH OF MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT THERE.
UM, THE, UH, POLICE BODY CAMS, UH, THAT'S, THIS IS, UH, THERE WILL BE THE LAST YEAR FOR THOSE AS, UH, PREVIOUS SYSTEMS. YEAR FIVE OF 10 WE'RE ALREADY, UM, WE ALREADY CONTRACTED FOR THOSE ITEMS. UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THEM UP, UH, BECAUSE THEY ARE ADDITIONAL EXPENSES THERE.
THE UNDER INFORMATION, UH, TECHNOLOGY, A FEW VIRTUAL MACHINES FOR $34,000, A FIREWALL UPGRADE, UH, NEEDED THERE.
AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE TO REPLACE OUR METER READING SOFTWARE, UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING TO GO TO A MI HERE IN THE FUTURE.
UH, BUT THE SOFTWARE WE HAVE IS CURRENTLY REACHING INTO LIFE, UNFORTUNATELY.
SO HANDS ARE KIND OF TIED ON THAT.
THAT'S THE NEW METER READING SOFTWARE THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED FOR THE LAST YEAR, THOUGH.
THAT WAS LIKE, UM, LESSEN THE BURDEN ON STAFF TOO, RIGHT? NOT THE, OH, THIS IS JUST WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
A MI WOULD A MI WOULD LESSEN THE BURDEN ON STAFF.
THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME SOFTWARE WE HAVE, BUT WE, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY MORE MAINTENANCE LEFT ON IT, SO WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN WITH IT THEN, RIGHT.
SO RATHER THAN NOT DO THAT ONE.
BUT I, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE A MI, WHAT COST? NO, I DON'T, I DON'T.
UM, I IT'S MORE THAN 18,000, I'M SURE.
BUT
SO, UH, THIS IS A, UH, IT'S A PATCH TO GET US THROUGH HERE FOR A LITTLE BIT.
UH, A TAP PUMP FOR THE, UH, WASTEWATER PLAN, THE BIOFILTER THERE.
UM, WHAT ELSE? UH, THE DUMPSTERS WILL BE, UH, DISCUSSING A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH NEXT WEEK.
AND THEN A COUPLE OF, UH, UH, ITEMS HERE FOR THE HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE, THE OWL AND SALT BRINE, UM, MIXERS OR SALT, THE BRINE MIXERS, UH, THEN COMING DOWN HERE TO THE VEHICLE.
UM, WE HAVE THE $200,000 FOR THE, UH, POLICE VEHICLES THAT'LL BE REPLACED.
MOST OF THESE VEHICLES WILL REACH THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND MILE MARK AND, UH, UH, WILL BE CIRCULATED THROUGH THE OTHER TOWN DEPARTMENTS AS, UH, AS WE CAN.
UH, THE ONE THAT I HAVE IN GREEN HIGHLIGHTED HERE, THE VAC TRUCK FOR $450,000.
WE DO HAVE A 1992 SINGLE ACTUAL VAC TRUCK, UM, THAT THEY USED TO GET IN PLACES WHERE OUR BIGGER VAC TRUCK CAN'T, UH, RIGHT NOW.
SOMETIMES WE'RE HAVING TO RENT ONE AND WE HAVE TO GET A MARYLAND TO GET IT.
THAT'S A TUNE OF $6,700 A WEEK.
SO THERE ARE OUTFITS AROUND THAT DO VACUUM.
YOU CAN JUST, YOU CAN GET THE WHOLE, SIR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO MARYLAND.
THEY'RE SPOTS HERE IN VIRGINIA THAT DO VACUUM WORK.
UM, THEY DO, THEY DO THE WORK.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE TRUCK TO BE ABLE TO DO IT OURSELVES.
BUT IT'S, IT'S A USE THAT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH WE'RE USING IT THOUGH.
UM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY GOT BIG LISTS OF BIG TRUCKS.
WELL, SOMETIMES, I GUESS WE NEED TWO TRUCKS TO, I, I KNOW ENOUGH TO MAKE DANGEROUS
THAT'S WHY I GOT THE EXPERTS SITTING OVER HERE.
BUT, UM, UH, BUT, UH, THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE RENTING, UH, VERSUS THE AMOUNT THAT WE COULD LEASE ONE FOR MIGHT BE AN OFFSET THERE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH A SERVICE IS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE LOOKED INTO A SERVICE TO HAVE IT OUTSOURCED LIKE THAT.
UH, GOING ON DOWN THROUGH HERE, WE HAVE SOME, UH, VEHICLES THAT WE'VE, UH, THE, UH, ONE TON CREW REPAIR DUMP TRUCK.
WE'VE BEEN ACCRUING MONEY FOR THAT, UH, FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS.
THIS WOULD BE THE LAST YEAR FOR IT.
UH, AND THEN, THEN SOME OTHER UNITS FOR REPLACEMENT, UH, DOWN IN BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES, UM, WITH THE, UH, UH, SECURITY AND REHABILITATIONS, A LITTLE BIT OF CITY MONEY.
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OFF SOME OTHER, UH, ITEMS, UH, TO FUTURE YEARS THERE EJ.THE, WHEN WE REPLACE THE VEHICLES AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
LIKE, I KNOW, UM, YOU MENTIONED THE, UM, THE POLICE VEHICLES, LIKE FILTERING THOSE THROUGH WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
BUT I, I KNOW, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT I WANNA CLARIFY.
SO LIKE THE OTHER VEHICLES, UM, WE REPLACED THEM.
WHAT DO WE THEN SELL THOSE? LIKE AT AN AUCTION? THE ONES THAT ARE, YEAH, WE PUT 'EM ON, UM, UH, WHAT'S IT, MICHELLE EGO GOV DEALS, GOV DEALS, GOV DEALS.
AND WE'VE BEEN GETTING A REALLY GOOD, UH, UM, PRICE BACK ON THOSE, UM, HIGHER THAN WHAT I WOULD EXPECT FOR WHAT WE'RE SELLING
YOU MAY REMEMBER WHEN WE SOLD THOSE, I COME BACK TO YOU GUYS AND WE DID A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS OVER FOR A PICKUP FOR THE REFUGE DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND, UM, YEAH, SO YEAH, WE DO GET A DECENT PRICE FOR THE VEHICLES SOMETIMES WHEN WE SELL 'EM.
UNDER VEHICLES CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, THE LAST ONE YOU'VE GOT BROWNED OUT, THERE'S TWO ADDITIONAL FLEET VEHICLES FOR THE PD.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY VEHICLES THIS YEAR.
YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING, THEY'RE REPLACING THE EXISTING FLEET AND IT'S OKAY.
TAIL OR THREE, THREE REPLACING THREE 40,000 MILES.
THEY'LL HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND BY THE TIME WE REPLACE THEM.
UH, THAT WORK WITH, WE'VE GOT SOME COMING TO TONIGHT AFTER THIS, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
WE'VE GOT SOME COMING TONIGHT AFTER THIS.
UM, BUT, UH, THE, UM, WHAT YOU SEE THERE IN THE PEACH IS FOR, UH, IT WOULD BE TWO ADDITIONAL PATROL VEHICLES FOR TWO ADDITIONAL STAFFING, UH, FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THE, UH, THERE'S GREEN ITEMS THERE.
THOSE ARE THE BIG TICKET ITEMS. UH, THE FOUR H PUMP STATION, JAMESTOWN PUMP STATION, 825,000, UH, GALLON CLEARWELL.
AND THEN THE RAW RIVER, UH, PUMP MOTOR AND SWITCHES.
RIVERTON PUMP STATION REHABILITATION.
THOSE ARE THE, THE BIG TICKET ITEMS WHERE WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO POSSIBLY DO FINANCING.
UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'LL BE, UH, IN A POSITION FOR THIS YEAR AND MAY NOT WANT TO BE IN THE POSITION THIS YEAR WITH THE INTEREST RATES, BUT, UH, UM, BUT IT IS, THOSE ARE OUR ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE DONE.
THE, UH, WHAT THE IT JAMESTOWN OR RIVERTON PUMP STATION DATES BACK TO THE EIGHTIES, IS THAT RIGHT? H FOUR H, YEAH.
UH, SO THE 5,000,001 IS, OR ALMOST 6 MILLION IS RIVERTON.
UH, THE 5.8 MILLION IS A 825,000 GALLON CLEAR.
SPEAK TO THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S A NEW CLEARWELL TO ORDER, BUT WE HAVE TWO, BUT THAT HOLDS AN OLDER 825,000 GALLONS OF FINISHED ORDER.
YOU'D HAVE, YOU KNOW, AT THE PLANT YOU COULD FEED OUT TO THE SYSTEM.
UH, UH, RIVERTON AND FOUR H ARE, UH, ACTUALLY I THINK FOUR H IS OVER FOUR H.
I APOLOGIZE AT RIVERTON, BOTH RIVERTON SEWER FOUR H AND JAMESTOWN ARE BOTH WATER.
UH, BUT, UM, LIKE I SAY, I MEAN, THEY'RE ON THE HORIZON.
UH, THE WATER LINE UPGRADES THAT YOU SEE THERE, UH, WOULD COINCIDE WITH THE SECONDARY PAVING PLAN.
UM, ACTUALLY, I JUST HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCUSSION WITH ROBBIE THIS AFTERNOON, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADVANCE A LITTLE BIT ON THE SECONDARY PAVING.
UH, BUT THOSE, UH, DO INDEED COINCIDE WITH THAT PAVING PLAN, THE VIRGINIA AVENUE, CHERRY STREET HERE, AND THEN, UH, SET ASIDE ANOTHER $300,000 FOR PROSPECT BRIDGE.
OUR CURRENT BUDGET DOES HAVE $300,000 IN IT, UH, FOR PROSPECT BRIDGE.
UM, TOTAL ESTIMATED PROJECT, UH, WAS 101.2 SAY.
I WAS LIKE, WELL, WE GOT 600 BY THE END OF THIS, AND THAT'S HALF OF 1.2.
BUT PROBABLY BY, IT'S BEEN GOING, I WAS GONNA SAY PROBABLY BY THE TIME WE GO TO DO IT, IT'LL BE LIKE 3.7.
ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY IT'S THE REPAIR'S DONE.
I MEAN, WE DROVE ACROSS IT THE FIRST WEEK.
MY KIDS DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THAT WE JUST, IT'S ACTUALLY SO MUCH BETTER.
BUT THE, UH, UH, LOOKING DOWN HERE AT THE DEFERRED ITEMS, UH, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER, A WATERLINE UPGRADE FOR KENDRICK, WE WOULD BE DEFERRING, UM, THE, UH, UH, SOME BACKUP GENERATORS, ER, ROAD SIDEWALK, PHASE ONE, 2.6 MILLION
YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST THE FIRST PHASE OF THAT
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TRYING, UM, THE SECONDARY PAVING 640,000.HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME MONEY THIS YEAR.
UM, BRIEFING COUNCIL ON THAT, ONCE I GET EVERYTHING FINALIZED ON IT, TO HOPEFULLY GET SOME OF THAT DONE.
AND I'LL, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, I'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH, YOU KNOW, OPTIONS TO TRY TO GET THAT THING MOVING.
UM, THEN THE CURB AND GUTTER SIDEWALKS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SECONDARY PAVING.
AND THEN THE LAST SECTION THERE IS OUR DEBT SERVICE.
UM, THAT'S DEBT SERVICE THAT WE'RE ALREADY COMMITTED TO.
I JUST PUT THAT DOWN THERE FOR REFERENCE.
UH, SO, UH, CLEAR ON WHERE WE STAND AT.
UH, THE FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING THERE.
WE JUST STARTED THAT ONE IN 2043.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, UH, THAT IS A 10 YEAR NOTE.
UH, WE WILL HAVE TO REFINANCE THAT IN MARCH OF 2031 AT, UH, ROUGHLY $6 MILLION.
UH, THEY ANTICIPATED REPAYMENT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACCESS GRANT FOR WEST MAIN CONNECTOR, 216,000 THAT THIS WILL BE THE LAST YEAR THAT WE HAVE TO SET MONEY ASIDE FOR THAT.
SO, UM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO FREE THOSE FUNDS UP NEXT YEAR.
AND THEN, UM, UH, WATER PLANT BOND THAT ENDS IN 2026, UH, OCTOBER THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT FOR $760,000.
UH, THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, BOND FOR $200,000 ENDS IN 2034.
UH, THEN THE BIG ONE THERE, THE 1.9 MILLION 0% FINANCING, OTHER ONE IN 2037.
AND THEN WE HAVE A STREET SWEEPER LOAN FOR 26,000
I KNOW I JUST WENT OVER A LOT THERE.
UM, NEXT PART OF THIS, I WANTED TO KIND OF DISCUSS THE CALENDAR, BUT ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECTS I HAVE STAFF HERE ANSWER, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING THAT I CAN.
GONNA BE MUNICIPAL BONDS OF ALL OF, UM, NOT, UH, I THINK THE COUPLE OF 'EM ARE IN TWO YEARS.
THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE USED A BUNCH IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
THIS MIGHT, THIS MIGHT, I'M NOT SURE,
UM, SO THE, UH, BUDGET CALENDAR, AND I DIDN'T, UM, UH, DIDN'T PRINT OUT COPIES OR ANYTHING.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A WHILE BACK.
WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS SOME GUIDANCE HERE.
UH, RIGHT NOW, THE BUDGET CALENDAR HAS US GIVING THE PROPOSED BUDGET TO COUNCIL AT THE BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY.
UM, GOT A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
I WANTED TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON PUSHING THAT BACK, BACK TO MARCH 1ST OR MARCH.
UM, REASON BEING IS THAT, UM, THE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, THE SOLID WASTE STUDY, UH, COMING BACK.
I NEED THAT FOR THE REVENUES, UH, THE HEALTH INSURANCE.
WE WON'T HAVE THAT BACK TO MID-FEBRUARY AND FEBRUARY INTO FEBRUARY.
UM, THE, UM, COUNCIL'S RETREAT, UH, THE, AND THEN, UH, ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE TAXES ARE.
UM, I KNOW WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THAT HERE AT THE LIAISON MEETING COMING UP.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF TA THE TAX RATES WILL NEED TO BE APPROVED IN MARCH AND APRIL.
SO I HAVE A LOT OF UNKNOWNS, BUT I WANTED TO SEE IF IT WOULD BE OKAY IF I UPDATED THE, UM, BUDGET CALENDAR, UH, TO HAVE THE PROPOSED BUDGET TO COUNCIL IN MARCH.
I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE ACCURATE DATA.
I'M WHAT I'M SAYING, IT'S, UH, IT MAKES THINGS CONFUSING.
AND I THINK IT'S JUST EASIER IF WE JUST PUSH IT OFF TO MARK PLUS TWO WITH THE LIAISON.
THEY, THEY, AT THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS THAT TALK ABOUT, LIKE, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, WHEN THEY SET THEIR RATES AND, AND WE NEED ALL OF THAT BEFORE WE CAN DO OUR BOOKS.
SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUSH IT BACK, BUT I MEAN, A LONG YEAR FOR THE LEGISLATURE IS BUDGET YEAR FOR THE STATE OR NOT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW HOW THEY DO A BIENNIAL BUDGET.
ONE YEAR IS A LONG YEAR LONG FOR, I THOUGHT LAST YEAR.
LAST YEAR WAS LONG YEAR, BUT I FOREVER TO, IT WAS A JUNE.
WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL CREATE ANOTHER CALENDAR AND I'LL CIRCULATE IT DOWN SO EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
I JUST WONDER IF, AND FOR ANY COUNCIL THAT DOESN'T KNOW, I MEAN, YOU'RE ALWAYS SUPER ACCESSIBLE FOR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET DURING WORK HOURS, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME IN AND GO OVER IT, LIKE IF THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S DONE ENOUGH TIME, AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE ITEMS HERE, FEEL FREE TO REACH
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OUT, UH, UH, TO ME OR JOE.WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING IT BACK TO, I WOULD ASK ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS, JUST ONE THING ABOUT IT.
SO LIKE, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE CHRISTMAS PARADE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, LIKE I SEE THE AMOUNT, BUT THAT DOESN'T COVER, THAT DOESN'T COVER THE, THOSE NUMBERS WOULD NOT COVER THE ADDITIONAL FOR STAFFING.
NO, IT DOES NOT COVER STAFFING.
IT'S, UH, UM, I MEAN, I KNOW IT WOULD BE HARD TO REALLY PINPOINT WHAT THAT COSTS.
I JUST SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE EXPENSES THAT WE HAVE FOR THOSE EVENTS, WHICH I THINK THOSE EVENTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
AND I JUST WAS MAKING NOTE OF THE FACT THAT I THINK PEOPLE SOMETIMES LOSE SIGHT OF THAT.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE FESTIVAL LEAVES, WE HAVE EXTRA PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE ON HAND.
UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CHRISTMAS SPRAY WE HAD YEAH.
BLOCKING OFF THE STREETS, ENERGY SERVICES, BLOCKING OFF STREETS.
AND, AND MOST OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE, UM, YEAH.
SOME OF THOSE OFF HOURS COST A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT'S ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
I JUST THINK THAT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE SPONSOR THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN JUST YEAH.
AND THIS IS THE COST FOR YEAH.
THIS IS ADVERTISING OR FOR BANKS AND MATERIALS OR SERVICES.
AND SO FOR THE FIREWORKS THAT WE TOOK DONATIONS LAST YEAR TOO, SPONSORSHIPS.
SO IS THAT WE DIDN'T, I THOUGHT WE WERE INTENDING TO NO, WE, UH, I THINK THE TOWN HAS PAID FOR THOSE FIREWORKS THE LAST TWO YEARS.
YES, WE DID TALK ABOUT SPONSORS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAD 'EM.
I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING, SO IT WAS TALKED WHEN I GOT HERE, BUT THERE WAS NEVER A NEW ACTIVITY OR MOVEMENT FORWARD.
ANY GOOD DISCUSSION? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR, UM, MR. WILSON RIGHT NOW? I KNOW IT'S A YEAR RANGE.
LIKE I SAID, JUST DIDN'T WANT TO BRING THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE BUDGET.
AND IT JUST BE A TOTAL SHOCK WITH, YOU KNOW, UM, YEAH.
UH, GIVE COUNSEL ENOUGH TIME TO REVIEW AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING IT BACK TO A FUTURE WORK SESSION WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND SPECIAL EVENTS.
I MEAN, IT, YOU KNOW, IN THE BIGGER PICTURE, IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S GOOD TO GIVE TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND I, I WASN'T QUESTIONING THE VALUE OF IT, AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AN, IT'S NOT A HUGE IMPACT.
NO, I, I WASN'T QUESTIONING THE VALUE OF IT.
I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN SUCH, SO POSITIVELY RECEIVED BY THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I MEAN, THE SPECIAL EVENTS WAS REALLY SOMETHING, I GUESS IT'S MY FIRST YEAR ON COUNCIL.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO, UM, TO SEE MORE OF.
AND SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING.
I WAS JUST COMMENTING THAT, THAT I, THAT I THINK PEOPLE, SOMETIMES CITIZENS LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, FESTIVAL LEAVES OR THE CHRISTMAS PARADE, LIKE, I JUST KNOW THERE WERE TONS OF EXTRA PEOPLE DOWN THERE, STAFF.
LIKE WE COULDN'T LIGHT THE TREE UNTIL THE GENTLEMAN FROM ENERGY SERVICES AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LATE SATURDAY NIGHT AND HE'S ON A, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S ALL I WAS SAYING.
WE, WE, WE BEAR THE BURDEN OF THE COST OF SOME OF THOSE EXTRA THINGS TOO.
SO, UM, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY VALUABLE.
IT MAY BE WORTH A FOOTNOTE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? TO PUT, IF WE'RE GONNA, WE PUBLISH THIS, SO LIKE, IT MIGHT BE WORTH A FOOTNOTE JUST TO PUT THAT, THIS, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COST OF, YOU KNOW, PERSONNEL.
NO, I CAN DO, CERTAINLY DO THAT IN THE BUDGET.
I, I AM VERY, UM, GRATEFUL THAT IT'S THE LAST YEAR OF THE SPECIAL PROJECT THAT SERVICES FOR THE REPAYMENT OF THE EDA ACCESS GRANT FOR THE WEST MAIN CONNECTOR.
THAT'S MONEY THAT THE TOWN HAS BEEN PAYING BACK FOR A GRANT THAT WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY RECEIVE.
WELL, WE HAVEN'T PAID IT BACK.
WE HAVE TO, WE'RE WAITING, WE'RE WAITING ON THE BILL TO COME AND IT SHOULD BE COMING.
BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A PRETTY LARGE IMPACT TO THE BUSINESS THAT WOULD'VE COVERED, YOU KNOW, THE FLEET AND THE ADDITIONAL CARS FOR THE PD PLUS SOMETHING ELSE.
SO THAT'S A PRETTY LARGE, THAT SERVICE THAT WILL BE ABLE TO ALLOCATE SOMEWHERE ELSE NEXT YEAR.
ITEM THREE A IS THE PURCHASE AND REPLACEMENT OF VEHICLES IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? UM, I DON'T, MR. S DID, DID, DID KALE WANNA SPEAK TO IT? DID YOU WANNA SPEAK? DID, NO.
LET, WELL, WE ALREADY TOUCHED ON IT.
I REALLY TOO MUCH MORE TO SAY ABOUT IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS.
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I KNOW ONE THING I THINK THEY GET, I THINK THEY GET A GREAT PRICEI DON'T IS IT EQUIPPED WITH EVERYTHING? NO, NO.
WELL, THERE WAS, WELL, IT'S NOT ALMOST 10,000 LEFT.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH, 150,000 FOR THREE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT'S JUST 'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT CARS EARLIER THIS YEAR AND SAID, YEP, NO, WE'LL JUST GET IT USED.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL I MEANT, YOU KNOW.
AND, AND THEY WERE SAYING BY THEN IT'LL HAVE AN EXCESS OF 140 K, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
140 BECAUSE IS ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND EARLIER.
WELL, THE, OUR PROGRAM WAS, IS TO, UH, REPLACE THE VEHICLES WHEN WE, UH, REACHED A HUNDRED THOUSAND ONE POINT.
UM, BUT WE RECEIVED, YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK WE DIDN'T GET ANY AT ALL FOR TWO YEARS.
MY FIRST TWO YEARS ON COUNCIL, WE DIDN'T REPLACE THIS THREE YEARS.
WE DIDN'T REPLACE A SINGLE VEHICLE.
SO IT SHOULD BE STAGGERED FROM HERE GOING ON, LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? MOVING FORWARD, HOPEFULLY WE'RE NOT PUR HAVING TO PURCHASE ENTIRE FLEETS ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
ANYBODY, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? AND THAT'LL BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, MR. WILSON, YOU'RE THE FYI 24 BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR INTERNET CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN'S.
I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THESE ARE NOT, THEY'RE LIKE, HAVE TO WORRY.
WE RECEIV THE FUNDS $3,000 FROM, UH, THE INTERNET, UH, CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN'S FUNDS AND GOING USE TO BUY SOME
I DID SEE, I DID SEE THERE A DEADLINE IN THERE LIKE NOVEMBER 1ST.
SO DID AND CHIEF SAID WE GOT IT EXTENDED.
YEAH, I SAW THAT NOTIFICATION.
WE WERE, WE WERE WORKING TO ACCEPT, WE'RE GOOD.
WE JUST NEED COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE ALLEGED AMENDMENT SO WE CAN BRING THEM.
ACTUALLY, WE GET THE EMAILS EVERY OTHER WEEK.
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS SETTING THE ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR OUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS.
UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE YOU GUYS COULD READ THERE, BUT, UM, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY AT THIS FIRST MEETING TO SEE IF WE WANNA CHANGE THE ORDER OF BUSINESS.
AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IN THE SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, OR LONG AMOUNT OF TIME IN FOUR YEARS, WE HAVE HAD DIFFERENT ORDERS OF BUSINESS.
I WAS, I WAS, UH, MR. WALTZ AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS WHEN THIS ITEM WAS GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA.
AND I WAS SAYING HIM, I, I FEEL LIKE WE FINALLY GOT IT RIGHT,
DOES ANYBODY SEE ANY CHANGES THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE? WE, WE HAVE THE, WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENTS SOONER.
WE HAVE HAD PUBLIC COMMENTS FURTHER.
WE'VE HAD PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END.
UM, SOME OF THE LEGAL, LIKE IT'S, YEAH, NO, I'M SAYING SOME OF THE REASONINGS WHY WE DID WHAT WE DID WAS, UM, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS EARLY AND ONE IN THE MEETING GIVES THE CITIZENS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IF THEY WANTED TO AND, AND LEAVE AND NOT HAVE TO STAY, YOU KNOW, TWO HOURS WHILE WE GO THROUGH OTHER THINGS.
UM, SOMETIMES IT DOES CREATE STAFF STAYING A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
BUT, UM, BUT ANYWAY, THE OTHER THING WAS TOO IS THAT IT, HAVING COUNSEL'S COMMENTS AFTER THAT, UM, GIVES ANYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY IF THERE IS SOMETHING BROUGHT UP DURING THE PUBLIC PORTION THAT THEY WANNA SPEAK TO, IT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY.
SO DID, DID YOU WANNA CHANGE SOMETHING? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, BEFORE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, IT IS HELPFUL, BUT IT IS HARD FOR STAFF BECAUSE I MEAN, HOW MANY TIMES THIS YEAR WE HAD FOUR PLUS PUBLIC HEARINGS IN ONE NIGHT.
BUT, UM, I'VE BEEN A PART OF SOME OF THE CHANGES TO THE AGENDA, AND I THINK THE WAY THAT IT GOES NOW WORKS OUT WELL.
AND SINCE WE CAN'T HAVE DIALECT, I JUST, WHILE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC, IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE ORDER OF BUSINESS, BUT I WOULD STILL LIKE TO REVISIT HAVING A SECOND READING FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
I THINK THAT IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, AND IT HAS PROVEN THIS YEAR TO LAND US IN SOME PREDICAMENTS THAT WE COULD HAVE AVOIDED HAD WE BEEN PRESENTED WITH INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING AHEAD OF TIME.
IT'S HARD TO MAKE A DECISION ON SOMETHING IMMEDIATELY AFTER.
SO JUST TO, UM, SPEAK TO THAT TOO, BECAUSE WE DID, WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL, WE HAD TWO READINGS.
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AND THAT WAS ALSO AT THE TIME WHERE WE WENT FROM TWO REGULAR MEETINGS A MONTH, TWO WORK SESSIONS A MONTH TO ONE WORK SESSION AND ONE REGULAR MEETING.AND THE ARGUMENT TO DO THAT WAS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF A CITIZEN WAS WAITING FOR SOMETHING, THEY'D HAVE TO, UM, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T HAVING TWO MEETINGS A MONTH, THAT IT COULD BE THREE MONTHS BEFORE THEY FIND OUT IF SOMETHING WAS APPROVED.
AND IT SOUNDED LIKE A REALLY GOOD ARGUMENT AT THE TIME.
BUT I WILL COMPLETELY, JUST AS I TOLD YOU THAT, IT TOOK ME A YEAR TO SAY THAT, YEAH, NO ONE WORK SESSION A MONTH WASN'T ENOUGH.
I WOULD, AND I EVEN SAID THAT LAST YEAR IN JANUARY, THAT THAT, I WONDERED IF WE SHOULDN'T REVISIT THAT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I, THAT'S, WE CAN PUT ON A WORK SESSION IF WE WANT TO.
I MEAN, HOW MANY ITEMS HAVE WE HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THAT HAVE BEEN DELAYED AS A RESULT OF BEING FORCED THROUGH? BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO, YOU KNOW, LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN ONCE THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO SEND IT BACK TO A WORK SESSION.
SO IT'S TAKING THREE MONTHS TO GET APPROVED ANYWAYS.
I KNOW THE ONLY INCONVENIENCE IS FOR BJ AND THE FINANCES DEPARTMENT TO GET, YOU KNOW, AMENDMENTS TO THE BUDGET AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT I JUST THINK IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, AN UNPRECEDENTED YEAR WITH VERY LARGE ZONING APPLICATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT I'M, I'M PERSONALLY, I HAVE DELAYED SEVERAL OF THEM, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO FOR MY TIME ON COUNSEL IF I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED WITH ADEQUATE TIME TO MAKE A DECISION.
UM, AND I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE FUTURE OF FRONT ROYAL, UH, DELAYED GOVERNMENTS BETTER THAN, YOU KNOW, UNINFORMED.
NO, UH, I HAD ASKED THIS BEFORE OF MR. SONNET.
I, OR I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, LIKE THE SHAME OF IT IS THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT IT ONLY NEEDS ONE READING.
LIKE, WE DON'T EVEN NEED A PUBLIC HEARING FOR, BUT THEN THERE, BUT THEN ARE OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO, BUT I THINK YOU, YOU CAN'T JUST DO, YOU CAN'T JUST LIKE PICK AND CHOOSE AND BE LIKE, OKAY, THIS ONE ONLY NEEDS ONE READING THIS ONE.
DID YOU WANNA, SO IT WAS ALWAYS ORDINANCES OR, YEAH.
IN, IN THE PAST IT WAS ORDINANCES ONLY WHERE THERE WERE TWO READINGS.
BUT I DO THINK THOUGH, THAT, THAT I, I DO FIND IT CHALLENGING SOMETIMES BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING TO US AND WE'RE HEARING INFORMATION, AND SOMETIMES WE'RE HEARING INFORMATION THAT WE SAY THAT IS NEW TO US.
AND THEN YOU'RE, I SAY YOU, BUT YOU KNOW, THEN YOU'RE EXPECTED TO TAKE ACTION RIGHT AT THE END OF THAT.
AND SOMETIMES YOU JUST NEED TO DIGEST THE INFORMATION, WHICH IS WHY I THINK, YOU KNOW, LEAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, WE'VE HAD TO DO THAT A FEW TIMES.
WELL, AND WHEN THE NEW CANOE COMPANY AND OUT THE RIVER OUTFITTERS CAME, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ONE PERSON SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING IN FAVOR OF IT.
AND WE ALL, WITHOUT HESITATION OR DELAY, WE'RE EAGER TO WELCOME THEM TO FRONT ROYAL.
BUT AFTER I GOT PRESS COVERAGE FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE NEIGHBORS OF THE PROPERTIES REALIZED.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I DON'T GET TO READ MY MAIL.
SO IF THEY WERE SENT, YOU KNOW, THE LETTER FROM THE TOWN, UM, THEY DIDN'T, THEY ONLY HAD THAT ONE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE INPUT AND THEY MISSED IT, AND IT'S DONE.
SO IT WOULD BE, UM, I MEAN, I, I THINK WE HAD A GOOD MECHANISM FOR EXTENDING, BUT I THINK IN THE, IN THE INTEREST OF BEING EQUITABLE TO EVERYBODY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEN NOBODY CAN COME BACK AND SAY, OH, WELL, YOU, AS YOU SAID, YOU, WHY DID YOU GIVE THEM TWO HEARINGS AND NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT THIS OTHER.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST DO IT OFFICIALLY, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN CASE BY CASE.
WELL, HOW ABOUT WE BRING THIS UP AT A FUTURE WORK SESSION? IS THAT OKAY? AND, AND THAT WOULD GIVE EVERYBODY OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT IT AND GET SOME INPUT FROM MR. SONNET.
SO SOMETHING ELSE ALONG THAT, UH, ALONG THAT SAME, UM, TOPIC OF OUR, OUR MEETING AGENDAS AND SUCH LIKE THAT.
SO I, UM, AT THE MAYOR'S INSTITUTE, WHEN I ATTENDED IN OCTOBER, ONE OF THE THINGS THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT, UM, JUST THERE WAS SO MANY DIFFERENT, UM, BREAKOUT SESSIONS AND PEOPLE TALKING THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND IT KEPT COMING UP, UM, THESE OTHER LOCALITIES THAT HAD LIKE A CODE OF ETHICS OR A CODE OF CONDUCT AND HOW THAT HELPED, UM, UH, WITH FACILITATING THEIR MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I, I, I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT.
AND SO SINCE THAT TIME, I DID A REALLY LONG, DEEP DIVE INTO, UM, INTO WHAT OTHER PLACES DO, EVEN GOT SOME INFORMATION FROM THE STATE RESOURCES
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AND THINGS LIKE THAT.UM, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT SOME PLACES IT'S, IT'S A LOT LIKE NINE, 10 PAGES, LIKE EVERY POSSIBLE LITTLE THING THAT COULD EVER COME BEFORE A COUNCIL MEMBER OR A COMMISSION MEMBER OR A BOARD MEMBER.
UM, AND SO I GOT SUCKED DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE, BUT I FINALLY CAME OUT WITH SOMETHING, UM, JUST, UH, I, I, I DRAFTED SOMETHING THAT I WANNA GIVE YOU ALL A COPY OF.
AND THEN MAYBE, WELL, NOT, MAYBE I'M GONNA ADD IT NEXT MONDAY TO OUR AGENDA SO YOU GUYS CAN GIVE ME INPUT ABOUT IT.
AND IT'S BASICALLY JUST EVERY, UM, JUST DIFFERENT THINGS THAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO US AS ELECTED OFFICIALS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW WE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE INTERACT WITH STAFF, HOW WE INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC AT THE MEETINGS, HOW WE INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER.
I MEAN, SOME OF THE THINGS ARE VERY SIMPLE.
AND, AND I, I FOUND, BUT I NOTICED IT ON ALMOST EVERYONE.
AND I LITERALLY PROBABLY READ 25, 30 THAT, UM, OF, OF DIFFERENT PLACES.
BUT LIKE, ONE WAS LIKE, COUNCIL MEMBERS SHALL COMPLY WITH THE LAWS OF THE NATION, THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOCAL CODE.
WELL, THAT SOUNDS LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S A NO BRAINER, BUT I JUST LIKED THE FACT THAT IT, THAT IT, THAT, UM, PUTTING IT ALL IN ONE, ONE PLACE.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'VE BEEN SERVING ON COUNCIL WHERE JANUARY STARTED AND EVERYBODY WAS IN PLACE.
LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE HAD TO APPOINT PEOPLE.
UM, AND SO I'M REALLY EXCITED THAT WE ARE STARTING THIS YEAR TOGETHER AS A GROUP.
I'M JUST, WE'RE ALL GONNA BE HERE THIS YEAR.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M HOPING FOR.
AND SO THIS IS REALLY A GOAL OF MINE, UM, IS TO, TO, UM, JUST TO ADD ANOTHER PIECE, ANOTHER ELEMENT TO THIS.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR EVERYBODY.
SO ANYWAY, I'LL JUST PASS 'EM AROUND.
WE NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT, BUT I WANTED YOU ALL TO HAVE A COPY OF IT.
I THOUGHT IT MADE MORE SENSE THAN TO SEND IN AN EMAIL.
'CAUSE YOU MIGHT BE LIKE, WHAT IS THIS? UM, AND FEEL FREE TO, I, I'M HOPING YOU GUYS WILL GIMME INPUT ON THINGS YOU SEE.
THERE'S NO TYPOS, BUT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE ALL KNOW HOW I AM WITH THE GRAMMAR.
I JUST THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
IF YOU GUYS CAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA GIVE ME INPUT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S THINGS LIKE GRAMMAR AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I CAN CHANGE.
AND THEN NEXT MONDAY NIGHT, WE CAN BRING IT BACK AROUND AGAIN.
CAN YOU EMAIL IT TO ME? ABSOLUTE.
SO MY QUESTION IS A FINAL ONE.
WE'RE GIVING INPUT, WELL, NEXT MONDAY IS WHEN WE CAN TALK.
SO CAN YOU EMAIL ME THIS FOR THE AGENDA? OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
'CAUSE IT'S REALLY JUST, IT WAS REALLY A DRAFT.
I, I DIDN'T, UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, SOME OF IT, UM, I, UM, WHEN I TELL YOU ALL SOME PLACES HAD 10 PAGES, I THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE EXCESSIVE.
LIKE, I WAS LIKE, MY GOODNESS.
BUT I FEEL LIKE I TRIED TO TAKE THE HIGHLIGHTS AND THINGS THAT I SAW EVERY PLACE.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, I'LL TELL YOU THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I, UM, LOOKED FOR WERE EXPERIENCES THAT I'VE HAD SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED THAT I, UM, THAT I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
LIKE I SAY, YOU GUYS CAN, UM, EMAIL ME.
UH, NEXT UP ARE, UM, APPOINTMENTS.
UM, SO EVERY YEAR WE HAVE TO APPOINT MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL TO, UM, THESE TWO BOARDS AND COMMITTEES.
NOW, I WILL TELL YOU, THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE VML COMMITTEES THAT, UM, WHICH I'M TRYING TO THINK WHEN, I'M NOT SURE MS. PRESLEY, WHEN DO WE DO THAT? IS THAT APRIL? APRIL? OKAY.
I WAS GONNA SAY WE'LL BE DOING THAT.
THAT'S IN ADDITION TO, I'LL JUST SAY THAT.
AND, AND SO THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO WHAT THESE ARE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, MR. WOOD, AFTER WE TALK ABOUT THIS, I WANT YOU TO SPEAK TO WHAT YOUR SUGGESTION WAS AND YOU EMAIL ME ABOUT IT.
ANOTHER COMMITTEE, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT TOO.
WELL, I KNEW WE WOULDN'T BE MEETING, SO WE NEED, WE HAVE TWO COMMITTEES, THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE, UM, WHICH, UH, COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT AND COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS.
JUST THEY SERVED ON THAT LAST YEAR.
UM, AND THEN WE NEED TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND THEN THE TOWN SCHOLARSHIP COMMITTEE, UH, WHICH I ALWAYS THOUGHT WAS SUCH A COOL COMMITTEE, BUT I NEVER GOT TO BE ON IT, UM, WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, UM, THIS PAST YEAR AT COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS AND COUNCILMAN INGRAM SERVED ON THOSE.
SO IT DOESN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS.
IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SHARE, IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE THAT
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YOU'RE INTERESTED IN.WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS JUST HEAR WHO'S INTERESTED IN IT AND THEN WE CAN, UH, DECIDE.
I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THE MAYOR APPOINTS THE, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA COMMIT, I DON'T WANNA APPOINT SOMEBODY TO SOMETHING THEY DON'T, UH, HAVE AN INTEREST IN OR, UM, DON'T IF SOMEBODY WANTS SOMETHING.
SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? I WAS JUST GONNA ADD A FOOTNOTE THAT I DIDN'T CHOOSE TO BE ON MULTIPLE EXTRA SUBCOMMITTEES.
THERE WAS NO DESIRE TO SERVE EXTRA.
UH, IT WAS JUST BECAUSE OF THE OVERTURN ON COUNCIL.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I SAID JANUARY IS THE, WHEN YOU NAMED YOU FOR BOTH.
IT WAS NOT PLANNED TO BE LIKE THAT.
I DIDN'T ASK FOR A SEAT ON EVERYONE.
SO ANYBODY HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE? UM, AMBER AND BRUCE, YOU GUYS DID IT LAST YEAR.
DO YOU WANNA JUST SHARE LIKE, SO THAT OTHERS WHO MIGHT NOT KNOW WHAT IT ENTAILS, WHAT WOULD LIKE THE TIME COMMITMENT? I KNOW YOU ALL MET WITH THE AUDITORS IN THIS WAS NOT A GOOD REFLECTION.
I WAS GONNA SAY BECAUSE I SERVED ON IT BEFORE, SO, YEAH.
WELL, UH, B BJ CAN SPEAK, SPEAK BETTER.
THAT
I CONTRIBUTION, I JUST MEANT FOR ANYBODY THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THAT, BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO BE LIKE 38 HOURS A WEEK OR SOMETHING.
NORMALLY THEY, THE AUDITOR JUST CONTACTS COUNCIL.
UM, WE USUALLY HAVE A MEETING ONCE A YEAR WITH THE AUDIT FINANCE COMMITTEE.
UM, AND THEY REVIEW THEIR FINDINGS FROM OUR AUDIT.
WE GOT IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME AS THE REST OF COUNCIL THIS YEAR.
THERE WAS NO ADDITIONAL MEETING.
VML SIDE OF IT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT STATE ASPECT OF IT.
AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT COMMITTEE.
NOT THAT YOU CAN'T BE ON BOTH OF 'EM, BUT ANYWAY.
ANYBODY HAVE AN INTEREST ON BEING THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE? IF, IF IT IS, OKAY.
IF YOU'RE NOT, I'LL VOLUNTEER YOU, BUT IT'S OKAY IF YOU, I'VE BEEN ON A TWO YEARS IN A ROW, SO I WOULD PREFER NOT TO.
BUT ANYBODY HAVE AN INTEREST IN IT? HOW ABOUT THE TOWN SCHOLARSHIP COMMITTEE? 'CAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE ONE THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO, RIGHT? UM, ANYBODY HAVE AN INTEREST IN THAT? I DO.
ANYBODY ELSE? SO THAT N ENTAILS THE, ALL THE SCHOLARSHIP APPLICATIONS THAT, UM, THE TOWN RECEIVES.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED, THERE WERE TWO $1,000 SCHOLARSHIPS, AND NOW WE OFFER THREE.
UM, AND YOU READ ALL THE, UH, APPLICANTS AND NARROW IT DOWN AND MAKE THE SELECTION.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE NAMES ON 'EM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO YOU'RE REALLY JUST READING THEIR APPLICATIONS.
SO COUNCILMAN MORRIS IS INTERESTED, I BELIEVE YOU'VE DONE FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS TOO.
I HAD TO, TO WAIT FOR IT ONCE.
IF NO ONE ELSE WANTS IT, I'LL, I'LL DO IT.
IF ANYBODY, ANYBODY, I'M LOOKING AT EVERYBODY SHAKING THEIR HEADS LIKE A PICK LASTED GYM CLASS.
WHEN I GOT APPOINTED TO COUNCIL, THEY WERE LIKE, AND YOU'RE GONNA BE ON THAT COMMITTEE BECAUSE WHOEVER I REPLACED, THEY WERE LIKE, WELL, THEY DID IT, SO NOW YOU'RE GONNA DO IT.
SO IF NOBODY ELSE IS GONNA FIGHT FOR IT, COUNCILMAN INGRAM AND, UH, COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN D DOO PAINTERS ARE INTERESTED.
ANYBODY ELSE? THE ONLY JOY THAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM ANY SUBCOMMITTEE IN MY TIME WITH COUNCIL
I MEAN, I, I, SOMEBODY ELSE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, CAN STEP IN AMBER MAYOR'S TO DO IT.
BUT THAT ON COMMITTEE'S, LIKE AT BEFORE YEP.
IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED, ALL THE INFORMATION IS REDACTED.
SO YOU HAVE NO IDEA UNTIL THEY'RE GRANTED THEIR SCHOLARSHIP.
YOU DON'T KNOW GENDER AGE? THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
WE DO THAT FOR MY MOM AND DAD SCHOLARSHIP TOO.
SO IT, IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S ENJOYABLE, BUT IT'S NOT AS EASY AS YOU THINK.
WE, WE HAD TO NARROW IT DOWN THREE TIMES LAST YEAR TO GET TO YEAH, WE MET.
WE, WE WENT ON, WROTE ABOUT IT, CAME BACK AND WE, THE ONES THAT WE HAD OVERLAPPED, WE KEPT THOSE AND THEN THERE WERE, WHAT, THREE OR FOUR OR MORE? IT WAS HARD MEAN.
I MEAN, IT TOOK US THE PARENT YEARS.
ALRIGHT, WELL, DOES, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYBODY'S GONNA AN ARM WRESTLE FOR SO WE'RE GOOD MR. LEY, WE'VE GOT OUR, UM, UM, SO COUNCILMAN WOOD, WOULD YOU, UM, LIKE TO SHARE WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO? UH, IT'S JUST A TOPIC SO COUNCIL CAN BE AWARE OF.
SO IN SEEING THE AGENDA COME UP, UM, AND I'M LOOKING AT
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OUR ACCOUNT CODE AND SUCH, UM, AND, AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE WERE GONNA APPOINT WHAT WE WERE GONNA, WELL OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TONIGHT, BUT NOT, NOT IN THE FUTURE.SO, UM, I SUGGESTED TO THE MAYOR THAT, UM, HOW WOULD WE FEEL ABOUT, UH, POINTING A WATER COMMITTEE UNDER CHAPTER FOUR, SECTION FOUR, TWO OF OUR CODE.
WE, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THERE.
THE WATER SEWER, UH, ELECTRIC AND SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, INCLUDING A COMMITTEE, YOU MEAN? YEAH.
BUT, UH, AND, AND I, I SUGGESTED WATER.
'CAUSE I CAN'T THINK OTHER THAN WHAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN CLOSED SESSION, NOTHING, UH, AFTER LAST YEAR'S DROUGHT AND PEOPLE'S CONCERN ABOUT IT, I, I CAN'T THINK OF A MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE AT THIS TIME.
UM, THAT FACING US THAT I, I, I THINK THAT WE NEEDED TO STUDY.
AND I, I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT IN THE, UH, THAT WAS IN THE CASE.
UM, AND, AND I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO GET OUR ARMS AROUND THIS AND FIGURE OUT SECONDARY SOURCE AND, YOU KNOW, NOTHING HAPPENS FAST FROM GOVERNMENT.
AND WE COULD FACE ANOTHER DROUGHT, OR EVEN WORSE, IT'S, IT'S HAPPENED HERE BEFORE.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED PERHAPS THAT, UM, WE COULD CREATE A WATER COMMITTEE.
YOU COULD FORM THE WATER COMMITTEE.
AND SO I WANTED HIM TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL.
UM, I WANTED TO ALSO SHARE THAT.
SO AT THE LIAISON MEETING, WHICH I'M TRYING TO THINK.
WE TOOK A, THEY TOOK A REALLY LONG HIATUS WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL.
AND THEN I FINALLY GOT US BACK TOGETHER MEETING AND WATER CAME UP AND TRANSPORTATION CAME UP.
UM, AND AT THAT PARTICULAR, WE WERE ALL TOGETHER, ALL ACCOUNT, ALL COUNCIL AND ALL OF, UM, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND THAT WAS WHERE THE INITIAL DISCUSSION WAS, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, AND THEN THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WATER.
AND SO WE ALL KIND OF LIKE, UM, VERY NONCHALANTLY SAID, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
WELL I COULD SERVE ON THAT AND I COULD SERVE ON THAT.
IT DIDN'T HAPPEN FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR MORE AT LEAST.
AND THEN LAST YEAR IT GOT BROUGHT UP AGAIN ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AT LIAISON.
AND THEN FINALLY THAT SUBCOMMITTEE WAS BORN AND HAS BEEN SO, UM, PRODUCTIVE IN MY OPINION.
YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN A GREAT MEETING.
THE, I BRING, THE REASON WHY I WANTED YOU TO BRING IT UP TONIGHT IS 'CAUSE I WANT MR. SONNET TO LOOK INTO IT OR, OR US TO TALK ABOUT IT.
BECAUSE IF WE WANTED TO FORM ONE FOR OUR COUNCIL, OR IS IT SOMETHING WE WANTED TO DO WITH THE LIAISON? AND I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE AFTER WE FORMED THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE, THEN THERE, UH, COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT KNOWS THAT OUR LAST LIAISON MEETING, THERE WERE ALL THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT, IS THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, IS IT, IS IT, UH, IS IT A COMMITTEE? DOES IT HAVE TO HAVE MINUTES? DOES IT HAVE TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? BLAH, BLAH.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ALL THESE QUESTIONS.
THEY TALKED ABOUT BYLAWS AND UM, I IMAGINE WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE BEST, IF THE BEST AVENUE WOULD BE FOR US TO DO SOMETHING HERE AT OUR LEVEL OR TO DO IT THROUGH LIAISON.
UM, AND THE BACKSTORY ON THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD THAT FIRST LIAISON MEETING, UH, COUNCILMAN GILLESPIE WAS ON THE COUNCIL WITH US AT THE TIME.
HE WAS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT SERVING ON THAT WATER SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND I THINK YOU WERE GONNA BE ON IT.
UM, BUT THE REASON THAT THERE WAS DELAY WAS BECAUSE THE COUNTY WAS RESEARCHING AND HAVING A WATER STUDY DONE FOR A REGIONAL WATER AUTHORITY WITH OTHER LOCALITIES AND HAD THAT TAKEN PLACE.
UM, FRONT ROYAL AND OUR WATER SOURCES WOULD'VE BEEN IN A DIRE WAY AFTER THE INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES THAT WE'VE DONE TO PROVIDE WATER TO THE CORRIDOR.
SO WE'VE TAPPED THE BRAKES ON IT BECAUSE WE WERE WAITING FOR THAT STUDY TO COME BACK, WHICH WE JUST LEARNED IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS.
I GUESS THAT STUDY JUST ISN'T COMING BACK OR NEVER EVEN HAPPENED.
IT'S THE REGIONAL WATER AUTHORITY TO INCLUDE WARREN COUNTY IS NOT GONNA BE A THING.
UH, WE HAD PEOPLE FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS REACHING OUT TO US ABOUT THE DROUGHT WHEN COUNCILMAN INGRAM, COUNCILMAN DINA, MONICA PAYNE AND MYSELF WERE IN NORFOLK.
WARREN COUNTY SPECIFICALLY WAS A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION DOWN THERE WITH THEM BECAUSE ALL THE SURROUNDING LOCALITIES WERE GETTING JUST ENOUGH RAIN TO KEEP THEM GOING.
BUT IT WAS STOPPING OUTSIDE OF WARREN COUNTY.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, ON A STATE LEVEL IT HAD A
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LOT OF ATTENTION.I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE THE COUNTY STANDS AND WHAT THEIR POSITION IS ON IT.
OR DO WE NEED THAT? I THINK WE JUST DO.
SO MR. WELTZ, YOU RUN OFF SOMETHING.
I, I THINK THE ISSUE WITH WATER SHOULD BE DISCUSSED AT THE REGIONAL COMMISSION BECAUSE WE'RE ALL IN THE NORTHERN SHADO VALLEYS IN THE SAME WATERSHED.
US IN THE COUNTY TALKING, I DON'T THINK WILL WORK 'CAUSE WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF WATER AND THEY'RE NOT.
THAT'S WHAT I, AND SO I THINK THAT THIS ISSUE PROBABLY, AND NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, NEEDS TO BE ELEVATED TO THE REGIONAL COMMISSION AND BE HANDLED ACROSS THE VALLEY ON THAT.
IS THAT WITH BRANDON DAVIS? YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT BRANDON.
AND YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY YOU JUST SAID THAT.
'CAUSE BRANDON USED TO COME AND REPORT TO COUNCIL, WAS IT LIKE ONCE A YEAR, SENIOR YEAR? LIKE RIGHT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BRING BACK.
AND SO MAYBE WHEN WE, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BEFORE HE COMES, WE JUST MENTIONED HIM, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO, UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, ENTERTAIN AND, OR NOT ENTERTAIN, BUT FOLLOW THROUGH WITH AND WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY INVOLVED WITH THE RAIL TRAIL.
LIKE THERE'S, UH, BUT IN NOVEMBER, THE VIRGINIA STATE WATER BOARD DID DECIDE THAT LOCALITIES DO HAVE, THEY'RE MANDATED TO REGIONALLY PLAN.
SO THAT WILL ELEVATE THE REGIONAL COMMISSION TO TAKE THAT INITIATIVE ON THIS COMING YEAR.
BUT WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL FOR US THOUGH TO HAVE ONE AT THE TOWN LEVEL, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME FOLKS AT THE TOWN LEVEL TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO MOVE IT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REGIONAL COMMISSION IS GETTING THE LOCAL INFORMATION AND WE WOULD HAVE A SEAT AS THE TOWN PART OF THE YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WAS REFERRING TO WAS A SEPARATE COMMITTEE WITHIN COUNCIL.
UM, AND WHAT I WOULD NEED TO KNOW IF COUNCIL WANTED TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION IS WHAT IS THE MISSION? HOW OFTEN DO THEY MEET? DOES THIS REQUIRE A LOT OF STAFF TIME? THE REST OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES ONLY MEET ONCE A YEAR.
THIS COULD BE THAT MAKES SENSE.
WELL MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS SEE WHAT, SEE WHAT THE, THE REGIONAL BOARD SEE WHAT, WHAT STEPS THEY'RE TAKING AND LET THEM GET A GET AT LEAST GET THEIR, I DON'T WANNA SAY GET THEIR FEET
AND IT COULD BE THAT THEY WILL WANT REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE TOWN, BUT PROBABLY NOT ELECTED OFFICIALS.
THEY'RE GONNA WANT STAFF MEMBERS.
CURRENTLY, I THINK, UM, VICE MAYOR LOC SITS ON THE REGIONAL COMMISSION OH, OKAY.
SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT NEXT MEETING.
WE ALSO ARE INVITED AS ELECTED OFFICIALS TO THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.
I KNOW JOSH OR COUNCILMAN INGRAM AND SUPERVISOR COLORS BOTH GO TO THOSE TYPICALLY TO REPORT BACK FROM OUR TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE TO THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.
WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF WATER, I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE REALIZE THAT WE LITERALLY SELL AND PROVIDE WATER RESOURCES TO THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR AS WELL AS, UH, BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS.
AND WE'VE SPENT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY IN UPGRADING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT WATER.
UM, WHICH IS WHY WHEN THEY, AT THE LIAISON MEETING THERE WAS, IT WAS A REAL, WE WERE STILL PAYING, THERE WAS A REAL CONCERN WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT GETTING THEIR WATER FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE WE HAD JUST APPROVED THE REDUNDANT WATER LINE WITH MILLIONS.
AND I WAS KIND OF LIKE, WHOA, IF WE'VE, IF WE'RE INVESTING ALL THIS MONEY AND, AND, UH, SO ANYWAY, THERE ARE TWO OTHER THINGS THAT ARE COMING FOR COUNCIL IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS.
ONE IS I'M GONNA BRING BACK MCKAY SPRINGS AND WHAT THAT WOULD COST FOR US TO EXPLORE THAT AS A WATER SOURCE.
THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION MOVING FORWARD, THAT WE TRY TO DIVERSIFY OUR WATER SOURCES.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE BRINGING THAT IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS.
AND THEN HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF JANUARY I'LL HAVE A WATER CAPACITY STUDY THAT TECHNICALLY THE TOWN SHOULD DO EVERY YEAR.
OR WE AS AN ITEM WE'RE ENTERTAINING TONIGHT, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO THOSE WILL BE COMING TO FOURTH COUNCIL, HOPEFULLY FIVE MID-FEBRUARY AT THE LATEST.
SO THAT'LL HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY THAT COUPLED WITH ALL THE SNOW WE'RE GETTING THIS WEEKEND WILL BE IN GOOD SHAPE FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
UM, SO SPEAKING OF THAT, THE LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING ITEMS, UM, UH, IS ITEM E UM, AND WE HAVE A LIAISON MEETING ON JANUARY 18TH.
UM, AND JUST BEFORE WE EVEN TALK ABOUT ITEMS THAT YOU MIGHT WANNA PUT ON THERE, WHO, WHO WOULD LIKE TO JOIN ME THAT NIGHT? I DO.
YOU DO YOU HAVEN'T, YOU HAVEN'T HAD ATTORNEY YET, HAVE YOU? NO, I HAVEN'T HAD MY ATTORNEY YET.
SO, UH, COUNCILWOMAN DE PAINS GONNA JOIN ME NOW.
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AND MS. PRESLEY, I MEANT TO ASK YOU BEFORE I GOT HERE, 'CAUSE IT JUST CAME UP AT THE END OF THE DAY TODAY WE DO, WE HAVE UNTIL NEXT WEDNESDAY AT ONE O'CLOCK THE 10TH WE, WEDNESDAY THE 10TH.SO WE COULD THROW OUT IDEAS HERE NOW.
BUT I'M ALSO, I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD THIS AGAIN TO NEXT WEEK'S WORK SESSION SO THAT IN CASE ANYBODY WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO IT.
UM, BUT SO FOR NOW, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ON THE TOP OF MIND THAT THEY FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BRING TO THE LIAISON MEETING? OR DID YOU DON'T NEED TO KEEP TRANSPORTATION ON THERE? YES.
YES, BUT I BELIEVE, UH, THAT THERE WAS TALK ABOUT, UH, TALKING ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING.
NOW, AND SO I JUST WANNA SAY WHEN WE ADD AN ITEM, WHENEVER, LIKE IF WE, IF A TOWN ADDS THAT ITEM AND WHEN WE GET THERE, THEY EXPECT THE TOWN TO LEAD THAT CONVERSATION ON IT.
AND LIKE, UM, THEY JUST LIKE, WE HAVE THINGS ON OUR AGENDA, UM, YOU KNOW, AN AGENDA ITEM WHERE JUST LIKE ON OUR AGENDA ITEM WHERE STAFF PUTS TOGETHER INFORMATION OR WE DO, IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR THAT YOU'RE THINKING OR, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE LAST TIME WE MET YOU WERE SHARING SOME OF THE, THE DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT YOU HAD.
NO, THAT WAS ABOUT FUNDING THE EAST WEST, CONNECTOR EAST.
UM, BUT I ONLY SHARE THAT BECAUSE WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE IF WE BRING IT UP THAT WHEN THEY SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT WE'RE NOT JUST SAYING, WELL, WHAT DO YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU ALL WANNA TALK ABOUT, LIKE, HAVE A MISSION SOMEWHAT? WELL, I'M ASKING FOR A WRITTEN SUMMARY.
I'VE ASKED MR. DALEY FOR A WRITTEN SUMMARY ON THE ITEMS THAT HE WAS GONNA SEND ME.
DOESN'T HAVE BE VERY BIG JUST TO NOT, YEAH.
AND EVEN IF IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT SAYS, COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, UM, OUR, YOU KNOW WHAT, 'CAUSE THE COUNTY'S COMP PLAN IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THE INFINITE RATE LAW AND COMPARED TO OURS, BUT JUST MAYBE WE SHARE WHAT WE HAVE IN THERE, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, GATHER WHAT THEY'RE THINKING.
UM, I'LL GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT THAT ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH WORKFORCE HOUSING SO THAT WE CAN KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE CONVERSATION WOULD BE.
I WOULD SAY, AND GIVE MS. PRESLEY A SUMMARY OR, OR AT LEAST GENERIC ENOUGH FOR HER TO BE ABLE TO WRITE A SUMMARY FOR IT THOUGH.
I MEAN THE, THOSE WERE, I DID BRING THAT OFF.
UH, AND THERE WERE, THERE WERE SOME PROGRAMS RIGHT.
SO MAYBE WE MAY BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE.
THEY HAVE, UH, NO TWO NEW MEMBERS THERE, YOU KNOW, SO, SO THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST, THEY MAY, MAY BE NEW TO THEM.
WHAT ARE SOME OTHER ITEMS, OR ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP? WE'RE GONNA BRING UP THE TAX.
ARE, WE'RE GONNA BRING UP THE TAXES AGAIN, OR WE GOING TO JUST KEEP I BRINGING IT UP UNTIL WE, I DON'T ANYTHING.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TALK ABOUT, BUT I MEAN WE CAN NO, NO, I DON'T MEAN THAT YOU NEED TO, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE BROUGHT IT UP, I WOULD HOPE WE BROUGHT IT UP FOR THE LAST TWO MEETINGS.
WE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN ANY FINALITY TOO.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TURNOVER ON THE COUNTY SIDE TOO, THOUGH, IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
SO LET'S THINK OF A WAY TO ADD THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, JUST ADD, LIKE DO YOU HAVE A, JUST PUT THE EXACT SAME SUMMARY AND YEAH.
UPDATE ON, OR EVEN TO THEIR TAX RATE CALENDAR.
JUST LIKE YOU WERE GIVING US, YOU KNOW, YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET CALENDAR, MAYBE JUST TO KNOW WHAT THEIR PROPOSED CALENDAR IS TO APPROVE THEIR TAX RATES.
'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY ALL WE NEED, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
I WONDER IF WE, I KNOW THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THIS ON A MONTHLY BASIS OR QUARTERLY BASIS.
I'M WONDERING IF IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR US TO DISCUSS WITH THEM WHAT WE WANNA SEE TOGETHER THIS YEAR.
LIKE WHAT WE WOULD WANNA ACHIEVE.
LIKE, ALMOST LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A GOAL SETTING.
I JUST FEEL LIKE IT MIGHT GIVE US A GOOD FOUNDATION TO START OFF THE YEAR IT'S A NEW YEAR, NEW FOLKS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO WE WANNA ACHIEVE TOGETHER? WE'RE WE'RE OUR JOINT PRIORITIES, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW WE DO THAT EVERY QUARTER.
AND, AND SO MY THOUGHT WOULD BE IS IF WE ARE GONNA DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT MIGHT BE
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A LITTLE LATE TO SAY APRIL, BUT I FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO REALLY KNOW WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM.WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US.
AND THEN MAYBE THERE'S A SHARING OF, I MEAN, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN, I JUST FEEL LIKE IF WHEN JANUARY 18TH WE DISCUSSED, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT'S A JOINT PROJECT IN COUNCIL ITSELF HASN'T REALLY SET THEIR GOALS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, IT DOES.
DON'T YOU THINK THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE? 'CAUSE WE'LL BE MEETING AT, UH, JANUARY 29TH AND 30TH FOR OUR RETREAT.
ANYWAY, I WOULD LIKE AN UPDATE ON THE AP TEXT CONSERVANCY.
I KNOW IT WAS ON THERE THE LAST TIME, BUT I WAS PART OF THAT TOUR, UM, AT THE AVTEC.
AND I'VE HAD SOME INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS WITH EDA MEMBERS AS WELL AS COUNTY SUPERVISORS.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT SEEMED IMPLIED BY, YOU KNOW, THE FORMER BOARD, THERE IS A NEW BOARD EFFECTIVE TONIGHT, UH, THAT THERE MIGHT NOT BE AN APPETITE FROM THE COUNTY TO BE A PART OF THAT CONSERVANCY.
SO I WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THEY STAND WITH THAT CONSERVANCY.
I KNOW THEY WERE WAITING ON THE EPA AND THE DEQ AND ALL OF THOSE REPORTS TO COME BACK, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
IT'S ALSO BEEN ON THE AGENDA MULTIPLE TIMES WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THE REPORTS.
I WOULD HATE FOR ALL THE REPORTS TO COME IN AND THEN EVERYBODY BE READY TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE'D BE FOUND IN ANOTHER POSITION WHERE, YET AGAIN, IT'S THE TOWN OR THE COUNTY, ONE OF US HAVE TO PICK IT UP AND CARRY THE BALL.
AND SO, WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S A CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
BECAUSE IF THEY, IF THEY DON'T, IF THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE TOWN WILL, WE DON'T KNOW THAT.
I MEAN, WITHOUT, WE DON'T KNOW THE, THE COUNCIL YEAH.
WITHOUT COUNCIL HAVING AN APPETITE FOR THAT, WE'D HAVE TO.
SO I GUESS WE CAN ADD IT ON THERE, BUT THE SUMMARY, ARE YOU SAYING TO JUST TAKE THE VERY SAME SUMMARY WE HAD THE LAST TIME? WE CAN ASK FOR AN UPDATE BASED ON THE LAST SUMMARY, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD WITH THE OTHER ONES.
AND THEN I HAVE A FEELING THAT THE COUNTY'S GONNA WANNA CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION ON THE CASE SPRINGS, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE FOR THAT THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THEY'VE ALREADY, THEY'VE ALREADY HAD IT.
AND SO THAT'S BEEN ON THERE SINCE, YOU KNOW, MY TWO YEARS OLD COUNSEL ON THEIR BEHALF.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK JOE MADE OUR POSITION VERY CLEAR NOT WANTING TO SELL OUR PORTION OF THE SPRING AT THE LAST ONE, WHICH WAS REFRESHING THAT IT WAS FINALLY, YOU KNOW, A DONE DEAL.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE ON OUR END YET.
SO, AND WE WON'T BY JANUARY 18TH.
I'M TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER NEXT MONDAY, BUT I DON'T THINK YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S TALL.
WE'RE WELL TOO, WE'D LIKE TO ADD THE UPDATE BEFORE WE START GOING TO AND DECIDE WHAT WE WANNA DO BEFORE WE START SHARING IT WITH OTHERS BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW FOR OURSELF.
IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT, YEAH, I'VE ACTUALLY GOT ANOTHER ITEM.
WE ARE WORKING ON A PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL ABOUT PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND OBLIG STRUCTURES.
AND THROUGH THAT COURSE OF CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, WE'VE COME TO REALIZATION THAT WE ARE GONNA NEED TO DO A COORDINATED EFFORT WITH THE COUNTY ON THESE BLIGHTED STRUCTURES.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE'S SOME TYPE OF COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, AND MAYBE THAT'S AN ITEM, MAYBE NOT FOR JANUARY, BUT AN ITEM TO PUT ON THERE FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION.
WE JUST HAD A, IT WAS A STRUCTURE OF FAILURE.
I'M SURE YOU HEARD ABOUT YEAH.
BUT, BUT, UM, OH REALLY? YEAH.
UM, BUT IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR ONE OR WHATEVER IT, IT, IT, I I WOULD AGREE THAT WE CAN'T REALLY DO THIS BY OURSELVES COMPLETELY.
UM, IT'S NOT AN, IT'S NOT JUST THE TOWN.
UM, WE LITERALLY LEGALLY CAN'T RIGHT.
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE OUR OWN BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
WHICH I WAS LIKE, DARE I SAY THIS IS THE ENTIRE REASON WHY I SUPPORTED THE, UM, BUILDING CODE DEPARTMENT IN THE TOWN, UH, THAT FAILED MAJORLY TWO YEARS AGO, UM, WAS BECAUSE WE CAN IMPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, TOWN CODE AND WE CAN HAVE ORDINANCES, BUT WE'RE, IT'S ALL THE BEHEST OF THE, THE COUNTIES BUILDING CODE OFFICIALS.
SO WHAT AUTHORITY DO WE REALLY HOLD THERE? I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS TO IT.
I JUST WANT THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE TO BE AWARE.
'CAUSE I GET CALLS EVERY SINGLE DAY ABOUT BLIGHTED AND DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS AND PROPERTIES WHEN THAT STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, FAILED ON CHRISTMAS EVE OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
I GOT THREE PHONE CALLS THAT NIGHT.
WE DON'T HOLD THE AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN, AND NOBODY'S FILING AN APPEAL.
I MEAN, YEAH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY HERE TO READ UP ON THE HISTORY OF THE, OF, OF THE FAILED, UH, BUILDING, BUILDING OFFICIAL WITHIN THE TOWN.
AND THE BLIGHTED IS DILAPIDATED PROPERTIES.
AND WHAT YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO SEE COME OUT OF THIS AS A COUNCIL, AND I WOULD ACTUALLY GO AS FAR AS TO ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO DO SO BEFORE OUR RETREAT TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
BECAUSE IT'S EASY TO WALK IN TO COUNCIL OR TO BE ON FACEBOOK
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OR WHATEVER TO THE PUBLIC AND TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO OR YOU WANT TO DO.IS IT CHRISTMAS EVE? I SAW FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS DO THAT AND CAMPAIGN ON IT, BUT THERE'S MORE, BUT THERE'S WAY MORE TO IT LEGALLY.
SO THE, UM, WE CAN, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT HONESTLY, I, I'M, I'M OKAY IF YOU WANNA WAIT TILL APRIL, BUT MY THOUGHT IS, IS ARE Y'ALL WANNA WAIT TILL APRIL? 'CAUSE MY THOUGHT IS IS BRING IT UP OR NOT BRING IT UP YET.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? I I DON'T THINK THAT STAFF WILL BE IN A POSITION TO DISCUSS IT ON JANUARY.
BUT I THINK THAT IT IS A DISCUSSION.
WE NEED TO START ON THE 19TH, BUT SAY COME PREPARED IN APRIL.
WELL MAYBE, MAYBE THE CONVERSATION, THE LIAISON MEETING IS JUST, HERE'S OUR CONCERNS AND WE ARE, WE WOULD LIKE THIS GROUP TO DISCUSS IN APRIL, YOU KNOW, WHAT TO DO.
'CAUSE HONESTLY, SOME OF THIS STUFF THAT EVEN THE WHOLE, ALL OF THIS STUFF GOT BROUGHT UP WHEN WE WERE IN SOME OF THOSE JOINT, UM, TOWN COUNTY MEETINGS.
UM, AND SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE WERE TOLD, OH, WE CAN DO THIS AND WE CAN DO THAT AND Y'ALL DON'T NEED YOUR OWN DEPARTMENT AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
AND HERE WE ARE TWO YEARS LATER AND SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES THAT WERE CONCERNS WE'RE STILL HAVING.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO, UM, TO BRING, UH, LIKE YOU SAID, EVEN IF IT WAS JUST TO INTRODUCE THE TOPIC TO SAY, LET'S BE READY THE NEXT TIME.
UM, WE STILL HAVE NEXT MONDAY NIGHT.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES UP, UM, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, UM, THAT WE MAY WANNA ADD TO THE AGENDA, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
AND THEY, IT DOESN'T, THAT MEETING STARTS AT SIX.
SO IT'S NOT TOO, UM, THEY DON'T LAST LIKE HOURS TOO.
'CAUSE IT'S PRETTY, IT'S MORE GENERIC.
WHERE IS THIS ONE BEING HOSTED? IT'S US.
SO CAN WE DISCUSS LIKE GOING FORWARD WHEN IT'S HOSTED AT THE COUNTY? I GOT A COMPLAINT FROM SOMEBODY A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WHEN IT'S HOSTED AT THE COUNTY.
IT'S NOT TELEVISED OR STREAMED.
WE GOT THAT STRAIGHTENED OUT THE LAST MEETING.
SO THE MINUTES FOR THE LIAISON.
I THINK MS. PRESLEY ATTACHED THOSE.
THIS NOT, OR SOMEHOW I'VE SEEN MINUTES.
BUT IT'S TELEVISED OR STREAMED.
WHEN IT WAS HERE, WE WERE TOLD, BECAUSE I ASKED THAT AND, AND WE WERE TOLD BY THEIR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, BASICALLY, THAT'S AN EASY FIX.
IT'LL BE DONE BEFORE THE NEXT TIME.
THAT'S WHAT THEY, THEY SAID THEY WOULD MAKE SURE IT'S DONE.
'CAUSE DID SAY THAT'S NOT, WE SAID PEOPLE REALLY WANT, YOU KNOW, IT IT, IT'S JUST NICE TO, FOR IF PEOPLE WANNA GO BACK AND WATCH WHAT WAS SAID OR, UM, MM-HMM.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN THERE.
I GUESS THEY'LL HIRE WHOEVER COMES IN TO USUALLY DO IT, BUT THEY'LL STREAM IT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO A BRIEFING ON THE SPEED CAMERA SITUATION.
I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE COMING UP.
UM, YOU MEAN TO LET, BECAUSE THE COUNTY IN THE TOWN.
I THINK THAT'LL GIVE US A PLATFORM.
WE'LL BE REALLY CLOSE TO THAT WARNING STAGE.
I THINK IT'LL BE A GREAT PLATFORM AND, AND GET THE WORD OUT.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? YOU'LL BE THERE.
I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY KA HAD TO PRESENT TO OTHER BOARDS THAT IT WAS NOT WELL RECEIVED.
BUT THIS DIFFERENT BY THE COUNTY OR THE SCHOOL BOARD.
THE SUN ARE UP, BUT THE, THE LIDARS NOT UP YET.
I MEAN, THERE'S A, THERE'S STILL SOME STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
BUT, BUT IT, BUT, BUT IT WON'T BE A CONVERSATION NOW ABOUT THIS MIGHT HAPPEN.
IT'S A CONVERSATION OF THIS IS HOW IT IS AND PEOPLE WANNA BE, UM, WELL ACTUALLY I'M GLAD THE TRANSPARENCY OF IT IS IMPORTANT.
IF SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MONDAY, UM, YOU CAN BRING IT UP NEXT MONDAY IF YOU WANT TO.
WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED.
THE FIRST ONE IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE LODGING HOUSE, THAT 5 0 1 SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE.
UM, LAUREN, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU, YOU UNFORTUNATELY HAVE THE NEXT THREE DEAR.
SO ON, UM, DECEMBER 20TH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD THEIR PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, SO THIS IS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A LOGING HOUSE.
UH, THEY HAVE EIGHT ROOMS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO USE.
UH, SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIRES 'EM TO PROVIDE 10 PARKING SPACES.
THEY'VE SUBMITTED A PLAN SHOWING THAT THEY CAN POTENTIALLY INSTALLED 12 PARKING SPACES.
SO PLANNING MISSION, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THE, FOR THE CONDITIONS THAT IT DOESN'T EXCEED EIGHT ROOMS. AND THEN, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, CONSTRUCT THE PARKING LOT
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PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT USE.SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING MAKE YOUR DECISION, BUT I WON'T ACTUALLY ISSUE THAT PERMIT UNTIL THAT PARKING LOT IS INSTALLED.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY, UM, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR STAFF ABOUT THIS? IT WAS, WAS THE, UH, SCHEMATIC OF THE, UH, THE PARKING WAS THAT ADEQUATE? SO THEY, THE WAY THEY HAVE IT LAID OUT, THEY SUBMITTED A NEW OR REVISED PARKING PLAN.
SO THE INITIAL CONCERNS WERE A SPACE IS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE.
IT LOOKS AS THOUGH YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY PARK THREE CARS THERE.
UM, PROVIDING FROM THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NINE, BUT IF YOU ACCESS IT FROM THE ALLEY, UM, THEY CAN MAKE IT WORK.
AND I THINK THEY SUBMITTED A REVISED PLAN SHOWING SOME PARKING SPACE SET OF 4, 8, 5.
SO THEY HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING OR POTENTIAL FOR PARKING.
AND THE APPLICANT'S HERE, HE DIDN'T ADDRESS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
HOW MANY, UH, HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE IN EACH ROOM? I BELIEVE IT'S ONE PER ROOM.
AND I BELIEVE THE, AND MAYBE, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER I READ THIS IN THE PAPER OR BY, IT WAS FROM PC, BUT THE IDEA, SO, UM, THE LANDING THAT'S ON, UH, NORTH ROYAL.
THE IDEA WAS THAT THE, THEY WOULD THEN THE, UM, RESIDENCE THERE WOULD MOVE TO THIS, UH, ADDRESS AND THEN THAT THE LANDING COULD BE USED FOR, UH, FEMALES.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION, AND Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE ALL EXPECTED THIS FROM ME BY NOW.
UM, THE PARKING, I JUST READ THROUGH THE TOWN CODE.
IT'S 10 DESPITE EIGHT BEDROOMS, BUT I GUESS IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A LODGING HOUSE, NOT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT'S HANDLED THE SAME WAY AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR AN AIRBNB ONE PER BEDROOM.
IS THAT WHY IT'S DIFFERENT? BECAUSE IT'S A LODGING HOUSE, THEY NEED TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE PER BEDROOM.
WELL, YOU CAN ATTACH, YOU CAN ATTACH, UM, FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, YOU CAN ATTACH, UM, PRETTY MUCH ANY KIND OF CONDITION.
BUT I'M ASKING WHY SPECIFICALLY THIS ONE BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, I DON'T BELIEVE IN MAKING APPLICANTS SPEND MORE MONEY OR TIME OR RESOURCES THAN NECESSARY.
'CAUSE WITH THIS ONE IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR A LODGING HOUSE IS ONE PARKING SPACE PER BEDROOM, AND THEN PLUS AN ADDITIONAL TWO FOR EMPLOYEES.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE 10 COMES FROM TO ACCOMMODATE EMPLOYEES.
IS THE APPLICANT OKAY WITH THAT? HE'S SITTING HER HERE.
IF HE WANTS TO ANSWER, I JUST, IT'S ME PERSONALLY, LIKE ACROSS THE BOARD, I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO BRING THIS UP EVERY TIME THERE'S A PARKING SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO, TO BE FAIR TO ALL THE APPLICANTS, AND IT'S JUST WEIRD TO ME BECAUSE I GO BACK TO THAT.
IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED C ONE, WHICH IS A COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT.
SO, AND IT'S IN AN ENTRANCE CORRIDOR.
SO IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A BUSINESS, YOU KNOW THAT 15 PEOPLE PER ROOM, WE'RE SHOPPING IN THE, WHAT IS THE TOWN CODE FOR PARKING ON THAT? IT DEPENDS ON THE USE THERE.
SO EVERY USE HAS TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF PARKING.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR LAUREN? I FULLY EXPECT TO HAVE A LOT OF, NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
UH, WE'VE RECEIVED A COUPLE LETTERS.
THERE WERE A FEW PEOPLE AT THE MEETING.
UM, ONE IS AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, WE TRY TO ALLEVIATE HER FEARS BY ASKING QUESTIONS WHEN THE APPLICANTS CAME TO THE PODIUM.
WELL, AND HERE'S THE TRUTH, THESE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE CARS.
I THINK IN THE HOUSE NOW, MAYBE ONE US RIGHT? JUST GONE HAS CALLED.
THESE ARE PEOPLE PULLING THEMSELVES UP FROM THE BOOTSTRAPS.
AND YET WE HAVE TO REQUIRE THE PARKING.
BUT THE TRUTH IS, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS CONCERNED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO START PARKING AND CREATE A HASSLE FOR THEM.
I HAD TWO PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE LIVE IN AVIEW.
BUT I JUST WANNA REMIND THIS COUNCIL THAT WE LITERALLY JUST APPROVED THE SAME THING A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
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JUST, EVERYBODY, THE EXACT SAME THING.AND, AND THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING MEETINGS OUT IN THE YARD AND WELCOME THE FRONT ROW.
I BELIEVE THEY SAID, DIDN'T THEY? YEAH, I'M NOT SAYING THAT.
AND THAT'S, I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW WE'RE GONNA HEAR THINGS AND A BUSINESS ACROSS THE STREET.
WELL, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS IS HIGH CLIENTELE.
THAT HOUSE HAS LOOKED LIKE THAT HOUSE EVER SINCE I WAS, YEAH, YEAH.
EVER SINCE
I CAN HOUSE AS MANY HOMELESS PEOPLE IN MY HOUSE, IN MY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT THE PARKING CAPACITY OR ANYBODY IN HERE'S PERMISSION TO DO SO.
AND THEY CAN BE CONVICTED FELONS OR WHATEVER ELSE THEY WANT TO BE.
AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO JURISDICTION THAT THE TOWN HAS OVER THAT.
SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE NAYSAYERS FOR EVERYTHING.
UM, BUT, AND YEAH, THE FACT THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA ALL HAVE VEHICLES WAS WHY I BROUGHT THE PARKING UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, I ALSO HEARD THE LETTERS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR DOOR.
BUT ONE THING THAT I NOTICED IMMEDIATELY IS THAT THAT BUILDING ITSELF IS VERY, UM, FRIENDLY.
IT, IT'S, TO ME, THE BIGGER CONCERN WOULD BE THE MOTEL THAT IS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN.
AND I THINK THEY'RE, THAT'S, I THINK THEY'RE EXPECTING THE MOTEL KIND OF ATMOSPHERE, WHICH I DON'T SEE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH APPROPRIATE ADMINISTRATION AND CONTROL.
THE OTHER PIECE WAS, I DID SEE SOME FOLKS BEING CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THIS DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHERE THE LAST PIECE OF LIBERAL IS IN ME, UM, IS, IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME YOU RAISE UP, UM, OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS, YOU'RE RAISING UP YOUR COMMUNITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING, THESE ARE NOT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, OUT ON OUR STREET.
I'D RATHER SEE 'EM IN A BUILDING THAN ON THE STREET.
I DON'T LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING BEHIND SEVEN 11 EVERY DAY.
UM, UM, SO I WOULD RATHER LET'S GIVE IT A TRY AND, UM, MONITOR IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THOUGH, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO DO A FOIA FOR THIS BEING TOWN COUNCIL, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE CURRENT CRIME, UH, RATES IN THAT VICINITY.
UM, BECAUSE THE ONE CONCERN I I DO HAVE IS BECAUSE OF THE MOTEL AND BECAUSE OF OTHER FACTORS, I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH OF, UM, A CONTAINMENT IT'LL BE, OR ARE THESE PEOPLE GONNA BE TESTED EVERY DAY THEY WALK OUT THAT DOOR FOR DRUGS AND ALCOHOL OR VIOLENCE OR WHATEVER? AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, CAN WE, ARE WE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION? LIKE WHAT THE, WHAT THE CRIME CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE? CAN WE OR DO I HAVE TO DO IT FOR YOU? NO, NEIL PROVIDED IT AT THE LAST MEETING WHERE WE DID THIS EXACT SAME THING.
HE SAID HOW MANY CALLS THEY HAD TO WE CAN, WE CAN GET THAT.
THERE'S NOT BEEN, THERE'S NOT BEEN A LOT.
THEY HAD TWO, IF I MAY, THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE, YES.
COUNSEL AND I, I MAY NOT HAVE, OH, I'M SORRY.
I MAY NOT HAVE BEEN CLEAR ON THIS ISSUE IN THE PAST, BUT AT A WORK SESSION WHEN THE MATTERS BEFORE COUNCIL INVOLVE FUTURE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, WHETHER IT BE OR ZONING MATTERS, REZONINGS SUVS, UM, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT AT A WORK SESSION.
OUT OF FAIRNESS TO THE PUBLIC.
WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEY'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.
IT'S FINE FOR THE APPLICANT TO BE PRESENT.
AND HEAR COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL.
UM, MAY, MAY SO WELL, NO, I, I WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
UM, UH, COUNSEL MINUTE CAMPAIGN.
YOUR QUESTION AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, AND MAYBE I UNDERSTOOD IT WRONG, IS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING WHAT, UM, THE CRIME MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN THAT AREA AS WHETHER OR NOT IT COULD POSSIBLY BE A TEMPTATION TO THE FOLKS LIVING IN THERE.
THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW I TOOK THAT.
BECAUSE MY OTHER THOUGHT WAS IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE DATA IF SOMEBODY WERE TO COME BACK LATER AND SUGGEST THAT THAT THINGS HAD CHANGED IN THAT AREA BECAUSE OF THIS NEW YEAH.
WELL, WE'D ALREADY, WE'D ALREADY HAD THE DATA.
AND I WILL SAY ONE THING, THE LANDING, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY'VE HAD VERY FEW ISSUES THERE.
AND I KNOW DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING, UM, THEY, DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA TOTALLY CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND IT, AND YOU KNOW, MY, MY MY THOUGHT
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IS ALWAYS FACT, YOU KNOW, FACT, STATS DON'T LIE.YOU KNOW, IT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE.
YOU'VE BEEN THERE CLOSE TO A YEAR.
WELL, YOU CAN'T ASK MY NEIGHBORS HAD MORE THAN TWO OR THREE CALLS IN A MONTH.
I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT IT? BUT AT THAT MOTEL THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOREVER, IF YOU TALK ABOUT TEMPTATION, MY PARENTS ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT IN WARREN COUNTY GROWING UP.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU PASS BY THERE EVEN TONIGHT, AND THERE'S A COP CAR OUT THERE, IT'S AN OD OR SOMEBODY KILLED SOMEBODY.
I MEAN, IT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT IS THERE.
AND THIS HAS SOMEBODY THAT WORKS THERE AND ACTUALLY MONITORS IT, WHICH WE'VE LEARNED.
OUR MOTELS DO NOT HAVE STAFF ON DUTY AT NIGHT.
AND I THINK THE WARREN COALITION CAME AND ADDRESSED IT LAST TIME.
THEY DO TEST THESE PEOPLE ON SITE AT THE FACILITY.
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED IN AND OUT, YOU KNOW, ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING WE JUST DID, I THINK.
AND YOU'LL HEAR THIS ALL AGAIN.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
UM, DID HOW MANY PEOPLE SPOKE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION? A FEW.
UM, I THINK LIKE, SAY 3, 3, 4.
AND AGAINST, OR ALL AGAINST? I THINK MOSTLY, YEAH.
ALL, UM, WE HAD A FEW LETTERS AND THOSE WERE INCLUDED.
SO WE GOT THE LETTERS IN HERE.
AGAIN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE APPEARANCE AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, AND, AND EVERYBODY, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S FINE.
UM, BUT I THINK AGAIN, WITH THE, WITH THE SUPERVISION AND, UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD ZONING COMPLAINTS FOR THE, THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR, THE LANDING.
THE OTHER THING TOO IS WITH US, UM, BEING SUPPORTIVE OF THE DRUG COURT HERE IN WARREN COUNTY, YOU KNOW, TO ME THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO TO THE DRUG COURT MEETINGS OR PRIOR TO WHEN IT ACTUALLY STARTED AT THE END OF JULY, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF IT TOO.
LIKE, THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO, THEIR CLIENTS THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE OTHER THING.
THAT THIS ISN'T JUST A PLACE TO LIVE.
THIS IS WHERE THERE WILL BE RESOURCES THERE, YOU KNOW, HELP PROVIDED TO THEM.
IT'S NOT JUST, HERE'S A PLACE TO LIVE.
THERE'S GONNA BE, AND RULES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO ANYWAY, UM, BRUCE, YOU, YOU'VE BEEN WAITING, SO YEAH, WELL, I, I JUST TO ADD ON TO THAT.
SO, UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE QUIET QUIETNESS OF THE CEMETERY.
SO, UH, BUT MY, GETTING BACK TO THE, UH, ISSUES, I GUESS THE OTHER ISSUES, UH, THERE, THERE'S A TWO STORY BUILDING BEHIND THERE.
IS THAT BEING UTILIZED? WILL THAT BE UTILIZED AS WELL? THEY, THEIR GARAGE IS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT, IS THAT A GARAGE BACK THERE? YEAH, IS A, THERE'S A GARAGE.
IT USED TO HAVE AN APARTMENT ABOVE IT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
I THOUGHT IT HAD AN APARTMENT, BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS.
THIS APPLICATION IS FOR THE MAIN HOUSE.
THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS NOT PART OF THIS.
AND, UH, THE, THE LAST QUESTION WAS, UH, IS THERE ANY REASON FOR HANDICAP ACCESS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT AADA A REQUIRE REQUIREMENTS BY LAW? THAT'S, I MEAN, THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.
THAT BUILDING DIDN'T ALREADY BECAUSE IT WAS A REAL, YEAH, IT WAS.
THE HAYNES BUILDING WASN'T, THERE WAS A RAMP.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A RAMP ON THE ONE SIDE.
THERE IS, I BET I COULD BE WRONG, BUT YEAH.
I HAVE A RHETORICAL QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL TO PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION FOR, FROM A PUBLIC HEARING, WHAT KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD IT LOOK GOOD IN OR BE BETTER IN? I MEAN, I LIVE IN A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE THREE COPS GOING THROUGH THERE TODAY TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING.
SO I JUST, IT'S NOT TOWARDS ANY IN PARTICULAR PERSON.
IT'S TOWARDS ANYBODY THAT APPROACHES COUNSEL.
AND WHILE YOU DIGEST AND DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND RESEARCH ON YOUR OWN, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A VERY SENSITIVE TOPIC TO DISCUSS WHAT KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD OR AREA OF THE COMMUNITY IS BEST TO PUT PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME.
COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT WEREN'T HERE THAT TIME.
WE HAD THE WOMEN'S SHELTER ON MAIN STREET.
AND THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF IT BEING THERE.
THEY HAD THEIR APARTMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD COOK IN THEIR KITCHENS, BUT WORK RELEASE WAS ON JACKSON STREET RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM IT.
AND A LOT OF THE WOMEN WHO WERE BATTERED WERE MEETING UP OUTSIDE AFTER DARK WITH THE MEN WHO ABUSED THEM.
AND SO, I MEAN, LIKE, WHERE THERE'S A WILL, THERE'S A WAY.
MY MOTHER ALWAYS SAID, IF PEOPLE WANNA GET INTO TROUBLE, LIKE WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T, WE'RE NOT ON THE COUNCIL TO,
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TO, TO DO LAW ENFORCEMENT TYPE THINGS.SO I JUST, THAT'S, THAT'S FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT.
I MEAN, THE REALITY IS, BECAUSE THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T TRANSPORTATION HAVE TRANSPORTATION.
THEY GOTTA HAVE ACCESS TO JOBS.
I MEAN, I'M THE PRODUCT OF THE WOMEN'S SHELTER THAT WAS HERE IN FRONT ROYAL.
I I LIVED THERE AS A, AS A CHILD FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
SO JUST THE NEGATIVE CONNOTATION THAT COMES WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE CHANGING THE TRAJECTORY OF THEIR LIVES AND THEIR FAMILY'S LIVES IS EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE TO ME.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'LL LEAVE IT AT.
THESE WERE THE SAME ARGUMENTS THAT, THAT, UH, THEY HAD ON VIRGINIA AVENUE WHEN THERE WAS A, UH, I THINK IT WAS A WOMAN'S SHELTER ON VIRGINIA AVENUE, THIRD AND FOURTH STREET.
BECAUSE I WAS, THERE WEREN'T, THERE WERE NEVER ANY PROBLEMS THAT I KNOW OF.
WELL, AND I KIND OF FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT THE LANDING.
LIKE, WE HAD PEOPLE COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT AT THAT TIME WAS, LET'S, LET'S SEE.
AND IF WE DIDN'T, I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, TWO OR THREE CALLS MAYBE.
AND THAT HASN'T CREATED A PROBLEM THERE.
I THINK SOME OF THE ARGUMENT WAS THAT IT'S IN THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR, BUT I, OR THAT THEY'RE BUSINESSES NEARBY, YOU KNOW, WELL, WE HAVE A JAIL ON THE WAY TO THE COUNTY.
MY LAST, MY LAST THING IS THIS PROPERTY HAS SAT VACANT FOR, YOU KNOW, A BIT OF TIME.
LIKE WE JUST SAT HERE AND TALKED ABOUT BLIGHTED AND DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS.
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE HOMELESS HOMELESSNESS ISSUE WITH A FORMER COUNCIL.
WHEN I CAME IN ON THAT COUNCIL, WE HAD A TENT ISSUE.
UH, COUNCILMAN LLOYD HAD ADDRESSED MULTIPLE TIMES.
SO I GUESS LIKE, WHERE IS THE RESOLUTION HERE? IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT IN MY BACKYARD, BUT ALSO IF, IF SOMEBODY THOUGHT THAT THE BETTER PURPOSE FOR THIS BUILDING WAS A BUSINESS OF SOME SORT, OR TO MAKE A TON OF REVENUE OUT OF IT, AND THAT WAS ON THEM TO BUY THIS BUILDING AND DO THAT WITH IT.
WE DON'T DICTATE WHO GETS TO PUT WHAT IN WHAT BUILDING.
I MEAN, THERE ARE SHOPS ON MAIN STREET THAT ARE PRETTY SKETCHY.
I JUST DON'T GO SHOPPING 'EM, I DON'T TELL THEM WHAT TO PUT IN THEIR STORE DOOR.
SO IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THIS, WELL, NOT OKAY WITH IT.
EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE.
UM, AND, UM, 29 WEST DUCK STREET IS NEXT UP.
SO THIS IS A REZONING REQUEST FOR SKYLINE REALTY INVESTMENTS.
UM, THEY WANT TO GET REZONED FROM C ONE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT TO THE R THREE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 20TH, AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO AMEND THE TOWN'S ZONING MAP.
UM, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT WANTS TO CONSTRUCT MULTIFAMILY UNITS ON THIS SITE.
IT SAYS TOWN HOMES IN THAT APPLICATION.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR IT.
THE ONLY THING THAT I, I JUST WANNA BRING UP JUST TO ASK, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT MR. WILSON, I HAD SHARED THIS WITH HIM, I HAD MONTHS AGO, NOT RELATED TO THIS AT ALL.
UM, HAD, UH, A CITIZEN CONTACT ME ABOUT CONCERN ABOUT DUCK STREET ITSELF.
AND THEN IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT WIDE AND THAT WHEN CARS PARK ON, BUT REMEMBER WE HAD, I WAS TELLING YOU ABOUT THAT.
AND, UM, THEY WERE SOMETHING ABOUT LIKE, AT A CERTAIN TIME OF THE DAY WHEN YOU'RE COMING OUT, THE WAY THE SUN'S COMING DOWN THAT IT'S EVEN HARD TO SEE.
AND, AND IT'S NOT A VERY WIDE, AND LIKE SOME PEOPLE ARE PARKING TRAILERS THERE AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I I DON'T KNOW THAT I DIDN'T, I I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
BUT THAT WAS MY ONLY THOUGHT WAS IS THAT IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT, IT'S JUST GONNA MEAN MORE HOMES THERE.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN, WOULD THEY, WOULD THESE HAVE, UH, DRIVEWAY IN, OR IS IT STREET PARKING? I KNOW OFF STREET PARKING.
IS IT OFF STREET PARKING? I'M AFRAID TO EVEN SAY IN FRONT OF AMBER, BUT I'M JUST, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.
IT'LL BE SIMILAR TO WHAT, ON VIRGINIA AVENUE, RIGHT? YEAH.
VIRGINIA AVENUE'S WIDER THE DUCK STREET.
AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE DUCK STREET'S NOT VERY LOUD.
THE FUNNY THING ABOUT IT IS, YOU DUCK STREET'S, NOT REALLY THE PARKING LAURIE.
I HAVE A FRIEND WHO OWNS A HOUSE, LIVES ON DUCK STREET, AND THEY DON'T DRIVE OR HAVE A CAR.
THAT'S THE IRONY BEHIND, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
I, I JUST, I JUST FELT THE NEED.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.
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KNOW.SO THEY'RE, THEY HAVE, THEY, THEY'RE, I DON'T APPROVE ANY OF THEIR PLANS OR THEIR ZONING PERMITS UNTIL THEY SHOW THAT THEY HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING.
BUT ADEQUATE PARKING, MEANING LIKE OFF STREET PARKING COUNTY ON THE STREET BASIS PER UNIT OFF STREET, WHICH YEAH, IF THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL VEHICLES AND WANNA PARK ON THE STREET, THAT'S THEIR OKAY.
BUT IF YOU DRIVE, UNLESS THEY WANNA RENT IT SHORT TERM, IF YOU DRIVE DOWN DUCK STREET, YOU SEE MORE EXAMPLES FURTHER DOWN TOWARDS THE DEPARTMENT HIGHWAY.
THEY BUILD A TUNNEL ON THE SOUTH SIDE, OR IF YOU'RE GOING TOWARDS THE VDOT ON THE LEFT SIDE.
UM, AND WHILE WE REQUIRE, I MEAN, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE ALL KINDS OF INTERESTING PARKING GOING ON THERE.
I ALMOST BOUGHT ONE IN THE DRIVEWAY.
IT WAS LIKE ONE, I MEAN, I'M NOT, I'M I'M FOUR.
THE, I MEAN, I WOULD SU I WOULD, IT'S YOUR ALL'S VOTE, BUT I SUPPORT WE NEED MORE HOUSING.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I ONLY SHARE THAT BECAUSE, BECAUSE I WAS APPROACHED AND BECAUSE THEY WERE LIKE, YOU SHOULD COME OUT THERE.
YOU SHOULD COME THERE AT A CERTAIN TIME OF THE DAY.
AND YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S SO HARD TO GET THROUGH THERE AND IT'S SO THIN AND IT'S SO NARROW.
OF COURSE, I THINK TO MYSELF, BLUE RIDGE EYE, IT DOESN'T GET ABOUT ANY NARROWER THAN STILL DRIVE.
TALK ABOUT SOME OF SOME OF THOSE.
BUT ANY QUESTIONS OTHER THAN THAT? YES, MR. WELL, IF I COULD CHIME IN AND, AND LAUREN, UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU DISAGREED.
PARKING IS ONLY LOOKED AT AT THE TIME OF A NEW USE OR A CHANGE IN USE, RIGHT? SO THEY CAN BUILD IT WITH TWO, IT'S NOT AN ONGOING ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
THIS IS, BUT THIS THING, IF THEY BUILD THESE TOWNHOUSES WITH TWO AS A NEW USE, AND THEN THE OWNERS DECIDE THEY WANT TO RENT THEM TO THREE BEDROOM TOWNHOUSES, THEY HAVE TO BUILD ANOTHER PARKING SPACE, THAT WILL BE AN ONGOING ISSUE.
BECAUSE IT'S A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY, ISN'T IT? THAT'S ONLY IF THEY CHOOSE TO TRY TO RENT IT AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
IF IT'S A LONG-TERM RENTAL, 10 PEOPLE CAN CONFIRM, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE TO DO, DOESN'T MATTER, SOMETHING HAPPENED LIKE THAT WITH VIRGINIA AVENUE, THE PERSON BOUGHT IT AND DECIDED TO RENT BECAUSE RIGHT.
THEY FIGHT FOR AN SU IT'S, ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER TONIGHT, IF THERE'S PUBLIC HEARINGS, YOU GOTTA TAKE ACTION AT THE END UNLESS YOU EXTEND THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR LAUREN BETWEEN NOW AND UH, THE 22ND, YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK OR, OR GO OUT THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
SO ANYBODY ELSE? SO THE NEXT ITEM IS THE REZONING FOR 11 21, 11 25, AND 1135 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY.
UM, THESE THREE PARCELS, UH, CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, THE MAIN HOUSE AND THEN THE WHAT, THREE, UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
UM, AND THIS IS, WE HAVE NOT ISSUED ANY ZONING PERMITS FOR THIS PROPERTY YET.
UM, BUT THEIR REQUEST IS TO GO FROM THE R ONE ZONING DISTRICT INTO THE, UH, UM, SORRY, C ONE, WHICH IS WHAT? THE COMP PLAN.
SO THE COMP PLAN CALLS FOR THIS AREA TO BE REZONED AS A COMMERCIAL USE.
UM, WHICH, WHICH WE HADN'T ADOPTED WHEN WE APPROVED THIS.
AND I, AND I BELIEVE AT THAT TIME, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME, I BELIEVE SHE SAID THAT SHE WAS, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE, GETTING, GETTING APPROVED TO START USING IT, BUT THAT SHE WOULD BE COMING LATER TO, TO, UH, TO HAVE THIS, UM, TO APPLY FOR THIS.
SO THIS ISN'T A HUGE SECRET, THEN WE KNEW IT WAS COMING.
SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WELL, WELL, UH, I, I, I FEEL THAT I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO FEEL, I HAVE TO BRING, BRING THIS SUBJECT MATTER UP.
I'VE, ON, UH, OCTOBER 28TH, UH, AROUND 7:36 PM UM, I WAS CONTACTED BY A NEIGHBOR, UH, WHO, UH, SAID THERE WAS A, A LOT OF LOUD MUSIC COMING OUT OF, UH, SOME KIND OF EVENT.
AND, UH, SO, UH, I ACTUALLY, UH, WAS SENT TO ME AND I COULD HEAR THE MUSIC BLASTING THROUGH IT.
I'M, I'M, I'M, I HAVE THE CONCERN, I HAVE A CONCERN THAT WE NEED, WE NEED SOME CONTROL OVER THAT.
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HOW DO WE ADDRESS THESE ISSUES? WELL, I KNOW THAT WE HAD A COUPLE THINGS IN THE PACKET.I KNOW THAT ONE, I THINK YOU CONTACTED ALL OF US THAT NIGHT YEAH.
WHICH, WELL, WHAT? NO, WHAT I WAS GONNA, YEAH, I I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THAT ONE OR THERE WAS SOME OTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT A WEDDING.
WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY THOUGH IS, IS I BELIEVE, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG, OKAY, OUR, OUR NOISE ORDINANCE DOESN'T BEGIN UNTIL 10:00 PM CORRECT.
SO REALLY UP UNTIL 10:00 PM I COULD HAVE A PARTY IN MY BACKYARD.
I COULD HAVE ONE IN MY FRONT YARD.
I SAID, DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER HOMEOWNER HAVING A BACKYARD.
I MEAN, JUST, IF IT'S, IF IT'S AFTER 10 AND IF IT'S CAUSING A RUCKUS OR SOMETHING, I SAID, WELL, CALL, CALL, YOU KNOW, CALL THE POLICE.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT SEVEN 30, I MEAN, I MEAN, I, I MEAN, I DO, I DO KNOW THE ONE, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, I MUST HAVE READ IT IN THE EMAIL, BUT I READ IT SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY GAVE THE LYRICS.
THE ONE YOU THINKING ABOUT IT WAS ACTUALLY POUNDING THROUGH THE WALLS OF HIS HOUSE.
THAT, THAT, THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE.
UM, YOU VISITED THE COMPLAINANT'S HOUSE INSIDE.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT NO, I'M SAYING WHEN THEY CALLED, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.
WELL, I DO KNOW ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT FILED THE SAME COMPLAINT AND MESSAGED ME AS WELL.
WELL, UH, THAT, I MEAN, I, I I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT, THAT ANY CITIZEN'S CONCERN IS NOT RESPECTED.
I JUST, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS TO THAT.
BECAUSE IF, I MEAN, WE, IN OUR COMP PLAN, THIS IS A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, AND I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT, IF THERE IS LOUD NOISE, UM, I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ANOTHER PLACE THAT MAYBE WOULD BE NEARBY, YOU KNOW, WELL, EVEN IN THEIR PACKETS WHEN THEY RENT THAT PLACE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS IT GIVES, IT GIVES THE ORDINANCE OF THE, OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE INSIDE THE ROOM.
SO FOR THE SPECIALLY USED PERMIT THAT WE HAVE NOT ISSUED YET, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS NOT BEEN IN COMPLETE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS, UM, THEY DO HAVE TO PROVIDE A COPY OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE, WHICH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY HAVE DONE NOT PERMITTED ANY EVENTS TO TAKE PLACE AT THE TRELLIS.
UM, THEY ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, THEY PROVIDE THEIR, THEIR EXIT PLAN.
THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE PERSON UTILIZING THAT PROPERTY AWARE THESE ARE THE RULES OF THE TOWN.
IF THOSE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO VIOLATE THEM, THE NOISE ORDINANCE, THAT'S A POLICE ISSUE.
BUT I'M SAYING IT DOESN'T BECOME A POLICE ISSUE UNTIL OH ONE, RIGHT? IT DEPENDS.
IT DEPENDS ON, AND THAT WOULD BE A GEORGE QUESTION.
UH, 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S KIND OF PERTAINS TO LAWNMOWERS AND CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, THERE CAN BE SOME, UH, VIOLATION OF THAT DURING HOURS PRIOR TO 10 O'CLOCK.
UM, THE PROBLEM IS, IS ENFORCING IT, UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE METERS TO MONITOR THAT TYPE OF, UH, THAT TYPE OF NOISE.
UM, BUT, BUT THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION MAYBE, UH, MR. SONIC COULD, COULD, I THINK, DELVE INTO A LITTLE, IT'S MORE OF AN UNREASONABLE TYPE SITUATION, I THINK IS, IS THAT HOW IT'S WORDED IN CODE GEORGE? UM, THAT THAT LANGUAGE IS UNENFORCEABLE.
THE, THE REASONABLENESS STANDARD IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
SO THAT LEAVES YOU WITH ENUMERATED VIOLATIONS OR THE DECIBEL SCALE, RIGHT? YEAH.
WELL, UH, I GUESS ON A, ON A, ON A, ANOTHER MATTER, THE SENT, THE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WAS BASED ON CERTAIN CONDITIONS BEING MADE.
AND ONE OF 'EM WAS AS, UM, MS. KAKI, UH, JUST MENTIONED, WAS THE COMPLIANCE OF, UH, CONNECTING THE, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TO CREATE A PRIMARY UNIT AND AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE LOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES.
THE QUE THE QUESTION IN MY MIND IS, IS HOW CAN, HOW, HOW CAN THE APPLICANT
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BE HAVING EVENTS THERE WITHOUT COMPLYING TODAY AT THIS POINT IN MY, IN MY OUTTA ORDER, GETTING OVER.SO I DO ASK COUNSEL TO KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATION.
IT, IT'S NOT AN EXAMINATION OF, OF THE CURRENT USE.
THE CURRENT USE IS, I BELIEVE, RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THEN THERE'S A PENDING SUP, WHICH THE FORMER COUNSEL WANTED IT TO BE REZONED.
AND SO, UM, I JUST ASK THAT KEEP IN MIND THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS THE MERITS OF THE REZONING.
AND, AND IF THAT, UM, IF, IF THAT IS APPROVED THEN, WHICH IS WAS COMMERCIAL, THEN THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO ESTABLISH A USE UNDER C ONE.
RIGHT NOW THERE IS, LIKE, SHE HAS NOT, THE APPLICANT HASN'T SUBMITTED ANYTHING YET.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE REZONING TONIGHT.
AND THEN IF THE REZONING GOES THROUGH IN THE FUTURE, SHE'S GONNA NEED TO SUBMIT A NEW ZONING APPLICATION TO ESTABLISH THE NEW USE.
SO AS LONG AS THAT USE IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR C ONE DISTRICT, I, I'M NOT MAKING LIGHT OF WHAT IS OR IS NOT OCCURRING THERE CURRENTLY.
BUT AGAIN, THE ISSUE IS THE MERITS OF REZONING FROM R ONE, ISN'T IT R ONE TO C ONE, RR ONE TO C ONE.
AND I KNOW, I, I JUST, I, I AGREE, OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I, I, I RECEIVED SOME OF THE SAME THINGS THAT YOU ALL DID.
AND LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE PERSON TALKED ABOUT AN EVENT THERE, UM, I ATTENDED THAT EVENT.
I WAS THERE FOR THE MAJORITY OF IT.
IT WAS THE CHRISTMAS, UM, UH, KICKING OFF CHRISTMAS, UH, TOOK MY GREAT NEPHEW AND SANDRA WAS THERE AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
AND I ACTUALLY PARKED ON THE STREET THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
IN FACT, I PARKED ACROSS THE STREET FROM, AND I, I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY BLOCKING DRIVEWAYS OR MAILBOXES.
IN FACT, I HAD SPECIFICALLY MADE SURE I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, BUT NOBODY ELSE WAS EITHER.
I I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF IT ENDED AT FIVE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT TIME IT WAS, BUT I WAS LITERALLY THERE TILL LIKE, IN THE LAST 15 MINUTES BEFORE I LEFT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE ABOUT PARKING.
'CAUSE I KNOW I'VE BEEN CONTACTED MANY TIMES FROM CITIZENS ABOUT PEOPLE PARKING IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.
I'VE EVEN CONTACTED, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL, I STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE PD AND, AND, AND SHE, YOU KNOW, CONVERT, LIKE THEY, ANYBODY CAN PARK ON ANY TOWN STREET.
THEY JUST CAN'T BLOCK A DRIVEWAY.
JUST CLOSED A MORTGAGE ON A HOUSE FOR A CLIENT LAST FRIDAY IN DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL THAT HAS ZERO PARKING SPACES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND WHEN HE BOUGHT IT, THERE WERE A BUNCH OF RANDOM VEHICLES PARKED IN FRONT.
HE WAS LIKE, HOW DO I FIND OUT WHO'S THERE? I'M LIKE, YOU GOTTA JUST ASSERT YOUR DOMINANCE AND CLAIM YOUR SPOT.
NO, SO, SO IS THE APPLICANT'S INTENT TO HAVE A MOTEL HOTEL? SHE HAS A, SHE HAS AN APPLICATION FOR LODGING BOARDING HOUSE.
THE APPLICATION SAYS IN OUR AGENDA, AIRBNB AND EVENT CENTER PROPOSED USE.
DO, DO WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR AN EVENT CENTER? NOT CURRENTLY IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE? NO.
WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR A MOTEL.
MOTEL, WHICH ARE MOTELS AND HOTELS HOST EVENT ACT.
BUT OUR, OUR ORDINANCE DOES STATE THAT ALL USES MUST TAKE PLACE WITHIN A BUILDING, WITHIN THE BUILDING.
UM, THE, AS FAR AS SOME OF THE, THE PAST EVENTS GO, OUR OFFICE IS PRETTY CLOSE TO BEING ABLE TO ISSUE THAT.
SUP, UM, SHE, THE APPLICANT SENT PHOTOS OF THE ROOF ATTACHED, UM, TO THE TRELLIS.
SO WE ARE GONNA BE GOING OUT TOMORROW TO CHECK AND MAKE SURE, UM, AND THEY'VE ALSO SUBMITTED THEIR MARKING PLAN OR AGREEMENT WITH THE JUDGE ACROSS THE STREET.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE VERIFYING THAT.
UM, AND WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO, TO GET THEM INTO COMPLIANCE PRIOR TO THE ISSUING OR THIS REZONING POTENTIALLY TAKING PLACE.
BUT AS MR. SON, IT SAID THAT'S, THIS PARTICULAR CONVERSATION IS ABOUT, IS ABOUT R ONE TO C ONE.
SO ONCE IT, IF, IF, AND WHEN IT BECOMES C ONE, THEN SHE'LL HAVE TO NAVIGATE THAT PROCESS TO ESTABLISH THE USE.
SO ALL YOU'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS, IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR THESE PARCELS TO
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BE ZONED COMMERCIAL? AND I MEAN, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SEMANTICS.SHE'S CALLING IT AN EVENT CENTER, BECAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO MARKET IT.
BUT I MEAN, HOW IS THAT IN REALITY, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN QUALITY INN HAVING A RESTAURANT AND A, YOU KNOW, ROOM UPSTAIRS BECAUSE IT'S INSIDE LAUREN'S SUN.
BUT I MEAN, BUT THE EVENT CENTER BUT SHE'S DOING IS INSIDE ESSENTIALLY, BASICALLY THAT'S AN ACCESSORY USE.
UM, BUT OUR ORDINANCE JUST HASN'T DEFINED IT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT IN THE FUTURE, BUT EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY SAT ON THE RETREAT LAST YEAR SAID THAT THEY WANTED A PLACE THAT WE COULD EITHER HAVE EVENTS OR RETREATS OR, YOU KNOW, CONFERENCES TO BE HOSTED.
I WOULD LIKE OUR TOWN COUNCIL RETREAT TO BE THERE.
I'LL JUST ADD, I'LL JUST ADD LIKE FREDERICK COUNTY FOR EXAMPLE, AND YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY TYPICALLY HAVE CERTAIN LIMITATIONS ON ON WHAT? ON, ON, UH, THE, WHAT AN EVENT CENTER YOU CAN, YOU, YOU CAN HAVE LIKE OUTDOOR MUSIC AND LOUDSPEAKERS AND WHATNOT.
BECAUSE USUALLY THESE, THESE EVENT, IF YOU WANT TO CALL 'EM EVENT CENTERS, THEY'RE LIKE BANQUET ROOMS OR, YOU KNOW, INSIDE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE, WE'RE, WHEN YOU'RE A BUDDING RESIDENTIAL R ONE, WHICH IT IS, AND WE TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL OUT THERE, THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT THREE COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS THAT YOU WANT TO INCLUDE MOOSE, UH, THAT ARE OUT THERE CURRENTLY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M, UH, I'M OBVIOUSLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND UH, THAT, BUT AS FAR AS THIS USE IS CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IT, THE WAY THINGS ARE WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, IT OPENS THE DOOR UP FOR, FOR IT TO BE, UH, APPROVED.
SO, UM, AND THE MOTEL WAS THERE BEFORE
AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE WILL, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 22ND, ANYBODY WHO HAS CONCERNS, I'M SURE WE WILL, WE WILL COME AND SPEAK AGAIN IF THEY DO.
'CAUSE THIS WENT TO PLANNING AS WELL, PLANNING COMMISSION.
DID YOU HAVE ANYBODY SPEAKING THAT NIGHT? NO.
MIXED, ISN'T IT MIXED USE IN THE COMP PLAN? COMMERCIAL MIXED USE? WE HAVEN'T COMMERCIAL IN THAT ZONE YET, SO SHE'S REQUESTING COMMERCIAL.
SO IT'S IS THIS, IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE EXCLUSIVE.
SO IT'S GOT SUCH A VARIETY COMMERCIAL AROUND THERE.
CO USE DOES NOT REQUIRE LIKE, LIKE YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIKE A RETAIL IN THE BOTTOM.
WELL, MIXED USE WHEN YOU, OR AM I, AM I MISSING IN THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHEN WE DESCRIBED THOSE, THOSE DESIGNATIONS COMMERCIAL OR IT'S, IT'S COMMERCIAL MIXED USE, BUT IT'S A MIXTURE.
EITHER, UH, VERTICAL MIXED USE, WHICH IS TWO DIFFERENT USES IN THE SAME STRUCTURE OR HORIZONTAL MIXED USE WHERE YOU CAN HAVE TWO, UM, THERE'S MORE THAN ONE STRUCTURE ON THE SAME LOT WITH DIFFERENT USES, BUT IT CAN BE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL, IT CAN BE COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL.
IT, IT'S MIXED, IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST TWO SEPARATE USES.
AND WE HAVEN'T WRITTEN THAT PORTION OF THE CODE YET WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE.
RIGHT NOW WE'VE BEEN OUTLINING IT.
I'M GOING THROUGH SIGN ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW, BUT THE ACTUAL ZONES HAVE NOT YET BEEN CHANGED.
AND THAT PARTICULAR AREA, I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO THINK ABOUT THIS, WITHIN A HALF MILE, THERE'S A CHURCH, THERE'S AN APARTMENT, SHAND COMMONS, THERE'S THE MOOSE LODGE, THERE'S THE RADIO STATION, AND THERE ARE HOUSES.
I JUST THINK IN MY MIND, LIKE THE, AND, AND REALLY NOT THAT FAR OFF IS, YOU KNOW, THE DENTIST OFFICE.
I'M JUST SAYING IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON IN THAT AREA.
SO, AND I CAN HEAR PEOPLE ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT AT A NEWS LODGE FROM MY HOUSE.
I'M SURE YOU CAN, BUT I'M NOT
I MEAN, I, I THINK THE PEOPLE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, I'M SURE WHEN WE HAVE THE WINE AND CRAFT FESTIVAL AND WE HAVE OTHER FESTIVALS, I'M SURE THAT THEY HEAR A LOT OF NOISE AND OH, I GUARANTEE, BECAUSE
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I KNOW I, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN ABOUT OREGON COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL'S FOOTBALL GAME BECAUSE THE ANNOUNCEMENTS ARE OH YEAH.COMPLAIN ABOUT THE, WE CAN HEAR AT THE FOOTBALL GAME, THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I'M LIKE, SERIOUSLY? LIKE, KNOW THAT
ALRIGHT, OUR NEXT, UM, THING IS, AND MS. LAUREN, I DON'T THINK, NOPE, IT'S MR. WALTZ.
SO, UH, MR. WALTZ IS GONNA TALK TO US ABOUT THE OUT OF TOWN UTILITY CONNECTION APPLICATION.
UM, I WOULD JUST KIND OF RECAP WHAT'S IN THE COVER SHEET.
UM, THE TOWN DID RECEIVE A, A JOINT REQUEST FROM WARREN COUNTY IN THE CATHOLIC GU OF ARLINGTON FOR ZERO CRIER ROAD, WHICH IS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF OUR CORPORATE LIMITS.
UH, THE TOWN CODE ADDRESSES, UH, EXTENSION OF WATER AND SEWER OUTSIDE OF THE CORPORATE LIMITS INTO WARREN COUNTY.
UH, CHAPTER 1 34, 1 C IS EXTENSION BEYOND TOWN LIMITS, KIND OF GOES INTO A LITTLE DETAIL, UH, BUT BASICALLY STATES THAT COUNSEL WILL DECIDE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
UH, BUT THE FIRST THING THAT THEY ADDRESS IS A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT.
THE COUNSEL WILL CONSIDER A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT FIRST BEFORE, UH, BEFORE EXTENDING THE WATER AND SEWER, BUT IT IS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS FOR COUNT COUNSEL, I THOUGHT WAS ALSO INTERESTING.
IN THE NEXT SECTION IN CHAPTER 1 34, 1D TALKS ABOUT A MORATORIUM ON UTILITY CONNECTIONS OUTSIDE OF, UH, THE CORPORATE LIMITS THAT A, UH, WOULD, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE SUFFICIENT STUDY AND MODELING BEFORE CONNECTING.
UH, BUT THEY DID LIST WHAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING, SIX AREAS, WHAT THEY CONSIDER ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS, WHICH IS ROUTE 5 22 CORRIDOR, UH, BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS, MCKAY PROPERTIES, PENCIL STONE, UH, SUBDIVISION GUARD, HILL PARCELS LOCATED WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF EXISTING WATER MAINS.
AND THEN HARMONY HOLLOW ROAD PARCELS LOCATED WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF EXISTING WATER.
I WAS GONNA SAY HARMONY, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE ANYTHING.
WELL, WE HAVE A WATER MAINTEN THAT GOES UP THROUGH THAT AREA.
SO I THINK, YEAH, REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT WE HAVE A RESERVE UP THERE.
OKAY, BECAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY, I WAS LIKE, THAT'S REALLY FAR OUT THERE.
SO THIS ITEM IS IN FRONT OF COUNSEL TONIGHT.
I DON'T EXPECT ACTION TONIGHT, BUT WE DO WANT TO GET, UH, ALL INFORMATION YOU NEED OR WHAT YOU NEED TO MOVE THIS, UH, APPLICATION FORWARD.
I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU'RE PREPARED TO SURE.
UM, BUT THE, THE FIRST ONE WAS AROUND, WELL, IN THE APPLICATION OF COURSE IT, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS IT'S A CHURCH AND THAT'S FINE.
AND, UM, IT SAID MOSTLY SUNDAY USAGE, BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY HOW IT ROLLS.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE, YOU'VE GOT ACTIVITIES ALL THROUGHOUT THE WEEK, YOU'VE GOT A FEW MASSES, THAT SORT OF THING.
IS THAT 4,000, AND I'M ONLY ASKING BECAUSE I WANNA KNOW IS THE USAGE, WHICH IS SOMETHING LIKE 4,000 GALLONS.
SO HOW DO YOU, DO YOU, HOW DO YOU MEASURE THAT? UM, AND OR HOW DID YOU, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT FIGURE AND WILL OUR INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORT IT? BECAUSE THAT, THAT FIGURE, IF THAT'S ONLY BASED ON SUNDAY, THEN IT'S PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, NOT EVERYBODY RUNS TO THE BATHROOM ON, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S THE THIRD QUESTION.
YEAH, BECAUSE MY, MY WATER BILL, I'VE NEVER REACHED OUT THOUSAND GALLONS MYSELF IN AN ENTIRE MONTH NOW, BUT THAT I, I'M JUST A ONE PERSON HOUSEHOLD.
SO I LOOK AT IT AS WAS LIKE, WELL THIS WOULD BE 120 OF ME FOR A MONTH.
SO I, FOR ME, I WILL HAVE TO LEAN ON STAFF AND I'M GONNA CALL ON ROBBIE REAL QUICK, BUT IF ROBBIE, COULD YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT A NORMAL HOMEOWNER WATER USAGE AND YOUR OPINION ON THOSE 4,000 GALLONS A DAY, IS THAT APPROPRIATE FOR THAT USE? I MEAN, THAT, THAT WAS WHAT THEIR ENGINEER PUT.
UH, LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS BASED ON A DAY.
SO I GUESS IT WOULD DEPEND IF THEY'RE GONNA DO FOOD.
UM, WE HAVEN'T GOT ANY SITE PLANS YET.
UM, IT DID SAY THEY WAS GONNA HAVE FOUR INCH FIRE SUPPRESSIONS THAT NEVER VAULT.
UM, BUT I MEAN, THERE IS IS ALREADY WATER AND SEWER BOTH ON THAT PROPERTY THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE.
UM, BUT I MEAN, IT, IT'S NOT LIKE A COMMERCIAL FACILITY.
SO STILL, I MEAN, FOR THAT AREA, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A BAD, THAT'S NOT A BAD ALL THAT.
EVEN, EVEN IF THAT NUMBER'S A LITTLE HIGHER, EVEN IF THEY'VE LIKE MET LIKE, YOU KNOW, TWO, THREE TIMES A WEEK.
I MEAN, NOT EVERYBODY CAN I ADD SOMETHING? YEAH.
SO THE UM, UM, THE TOWN ORDINANCE ACTUALLY HAS IN THERE WHERE THE FIRST 3000 GALLONS OF, UM, OF, UH, WATER USAGE IS, UH, IS I GUESS FREE FOR, UH, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS AND, BUT IT'S NOT IN TOWN.
WHAT'S THAT? WELL, IT'S IN TOWN CODE.
NO, I'M SAYING IT'S PROPERTY ISN'T IN THE TOWN.
IF YOU DOUBLED IT FOR OUTSIDE OF TOWN, IT'S STILL ZERO.
SO, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
SO THE, UM, UH, AND MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE CHURCHES, UH, I MEAN SOME
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OF THE BIGGER CHURCHES OBVIOUSLY DO USE MORE WATER.MOST OF THE CHURCHES DON'T HIT THAT 3000 GALLON MARK.
AND WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THEN THEY, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HIT 3000 GALLONS.
MOST OF THE CHURCHES NOW, SOME OF THE BIGGER ONES, YES, THEY DO.
I WAS GONNA SAY SOME OF THE BIGGER ONES DO, BUT, UM, SMALL OR LIKE SOME OF THE CHURCHES THAT HAVE DAYCARES THERE BECAUSE, WELL, THOSE ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
YEAH, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING I KNOW THEY'RE, YEAH, BUT THERE'S LIKE A, ARE YOU SAYING 3000, 3000 GALLONS A DAY? NOT MONTH.
'CAUSE THEY'RE HERE SAYING 4,000 GALLONS A DAY.
I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT IT WAS A MONTH.
BECAUSE THOUSAND GALLONS A DAY.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I USE A THOUSAND GALLONS MYSELF.
WELL, NOT EVEN THAT A MONTH MYSELF, AN ENTIRE MONTH.
BUT I, I'M JUST SAYING, I JUST, I'M JUST SAYING IF THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, THAT'D BE LIKE 120 PEOPLE A DAY THAT WOULD BE SUPPLYING WATER FOR IF I, IF I, IF I GO BY MY MATH.
WELL, AND LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS WHAT THEY HAD SENT, BUT SALSA, THE ENGINEER THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A SCHOOL AND ALL THAT.
UM, ONE THING TOO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS ONE SECTION OF RA ROAD WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING A SIDEWALK.
SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING IF THEY BUILD, YOU KNOW, REQUIRE THAT AS PART OF THE ENTRANCE, THEY PUT A SIDEWALK.
WELL, YOU JUST, YOU JUST, YOU JUST BROUGHT UP ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD IN THE, IN THE FUTURE.
ABOUT THE WALKING, ABOUT THE, UM, SO THE SIDEWALK, SO, SO THIS IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE TOWN LIMITS, CORRECT? RIGHT.
SO I I'M JUST ASKING FROM, SO TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT IN THE TOWN LIMITS, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
WE WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO DO ANYTHING TO PROVIDE IT.
UM, IF WE, IF WE DID A BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT, IT WOULD PUT IT INSIDE THE TOWN, WHICH THEN WE WOULD PROVIDE WATER.
WE WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE, UM, BUT THE FIRST 3000 GALLONS WOULD BE FREE AND THERE WOULD BE NO TAX BENEFIT.
BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE EXEMPT.
WELL, THERE WAS A QUESTION I HAD ABOUT THAT TOO, BECAUSE IT SAID IN THE APPLICATION THAT THERE WOULD BE A MODERATE ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR TAXES.
AND I THOUGHT, WHY WOULD THAT BE? BECAUSE THEY'RE A CHURCH.
I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF TAXES WOULD BE SOMEBODY'S CONFUSED.
NO, THE IMPACT WOULD BE A MODERATE NEGATIVE
BUT IF THEY STAYED, IF, IF THERE WAS NO BOUND, I'M ASKING ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS HERE.
SO IF THEY WERE NOT, IF WE, IF THERE WAS NO BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENTS AND WE AGREED, 'CAUSE WE WOULD'VE TO AGREE TO PROVIDE WATER.
IF THERE WAS NO BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT, IF WE AGREED TO PROVIDE WATER, THEY WOULD, BECAUSE THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY, THEY WOULD PAY TWO TIMES.
IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE THE CORRIDOR AGREEMENT.
THEY WOULD PAY TWO, THEY, THEY'VE PAID TWO TIMES THE COST OF WATER FOR, UM, AS ANYBODY ELSE.
BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE OUTSIDE.
I ONLY ASK, I KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO TOOK THE APPLICATION.
I'M ASSUMING YOU GUYS COULD SPEAK TO US.
ARE THEY AWARE OF THAT? ARE THEY AWARE? BUT THE WA I MEAN, I'M JUST CURIOUS, ARE THEY AWARE THAT THEY'D HAVE TO PAY TWO TIMES THE WATER? BECAUSE I KNOW SOMEWHERE IN THE APPLICATION IT SAID THAT IF THIS, IF THIS DIDN'T WORK OUT, THAT THEY WOULD DO WELLS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THEY FINANCIALLY WOULDN'T BE BETTER OFF WITH WELLS.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT.
I'VE ACTUALLY TALKED TO GREENWAY ENGINEERING TODAY.
THEY'RE UNDER THE, THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT'S A YES OR NO FROM COUNCIL, UH, ON PROVIDING WATER AND SEWER.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE THINKING DOWN THE ROAD ON OUT OF TOWN RATES VERSUS DOUBLE.
THAT'S NOT THE ACTUAL PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE PAYING THE BILL.
AND I DID TALK TO, I CAN'T THINK OF THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME, UM, MAYBE TWO MONTHS AGO.
BUT I HONESTLY, I COULDN'T RECALL THE WHOLE CONVERSATION.
THE PERSON THAT WAS LIKE THAT, THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT.
'CAUSE I, I JUST, I, I THINK THE AVERAGE CITIZEN, IF YOU ASKED THEM IF THAT PROPERTY WAS IN TOWN, I'M NOT SURE THEY WOULD REALIZE THAT IT WAS.
I MEAN, I'M JUST, I MEAN IF YOU ALL LIKE YOU ALL, I MEAN I LIVED IN TOWN MY WHOLE LIFE AND I DON'T THINK I REALLY EVER REALIZED THAT REALLY CRIES THE ROAD ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THE, OKAY, NOW THIS IS THE COUNTY.
LIKE, SO EVEN FOX DRIVE USED TO BE THE COUNTY.
NO, I KNEW THAT THAT WAS A PRIVATE DRIVE.
WELL, THERE'S OTHER PRIVATE, SO FOX ISN'T PRIVATE? WELL, IT WAS, IT WAS A COUNTY ROAD.
ARE WE DOING WATER TO SKYLINE AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? YES.
BUT THAT, I THINK THAT WAS A DIFFERENT, THAT WAS SOME KIND OF DIFFERENT DEAL THAT THEY HAD GOING BECAUSE IT WAS, UM, THE COUNTY LIKE COMMUNITY USE.
IT WAS THROUGH COMMUNITY USE COUNTY.
WHAT'S THAT? I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK, I THINK IT'S HOW TOWN, I THOUGHT WE CHARGED THE, THE SCHOOL AT THE OUT OF TOWN RATE.
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BUT IT'S THE ONLY, IT MAY VARY BE BE IT'S THE ONLY SCHOOL THAT'S OUT OF TOWN.ALL THE OTHER SCHOOLS ARE IN TOWN.
BECAUSE THEY ROADS IS STILL IN TOWN.
UM, I I ONLY ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY DON'T REALIZE WHAT THIS IS GONNA COST THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT THE QUESTION BEFORE US, THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS WHAT DO, WHAT DOES COUNSEL WANT TO DO? BUT I'M SAYING THAT IF THEY DIDN'T, IF THEY AREN'T AWARE THAT THIS INVOLVES JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PLACE THAT'S OUT OF TOWN PAYING DOUBLE, THEY THAT MAY, THAT MAY CHANGE THEIR MIND.
SO BUILDING OFF OF WHAT, UH,
COULDN'T WE GET THEM TO SOMEHOW, OKAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU THE WATER AND NOT GIVE YOU THE WATER.
BUT YEAH, WE'LL, WELL WE WOULD PROVIDE THE WATER, BUT WE NEED SIDEWALKS THROUGH THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A AUXILIARY BUILDING AS LARGE AS THEIR CHURCH.
I DON'T THINK WE FOOL OURSELVES.
I MEAN THEY NEED ADDITIONAL CAPACITIES.
WHY WOULD YOU BUILD AN AUXILIARY BUILDING HAS A BIG, YOUR CHURCH IF YOU WERE JUST GONNA GO TO SUNDAY SCHOOL OR YOU KNOW, ONCE A WEEK.
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD EXPLAIN MORE.
I THINK THE 4,000 GALLONS A DAY, YOU KNOW, WAS A LOT.
WE CAN'T ASK THEM FOR PROFFERS DIDN'T REALIZE THAT.
BUT IT'S IN, I GUESS I'M RELYING ON OUR FRIEND BACK HERE.
UM, IT'S REALLY EVEN NOT ABOUT PROFFERS BECAUSE THIS ISN'T ABOUT ZONING, ZONING'S ABOUT SITE DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND TOO TOWARDS, THIS ISN'T A ZONING APPLICATION WHERE PROFFERS COME IN.
THIS IS LITERALLY WILL YOU PROVIDE US WATER OR NOT? WHICH WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
WELL, DEPENDING ON HOW WE PROVIDE THE WATER, WE WOULD HAVE TO REZONE IT BECAUSE IF WE BROUGHT IT INTO THE TOWN, WE WOULD HAVE TO REONE IT AGRICULTURAL.
COUNTY SAY, LOOK, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THIS, BUT WE NEED A VOLUNTARY OR, OR WHAT IS IT VOLUNTARY? WELL, WE NEED THE ANNEXATION, YOU KNOW, THE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT BOUNDARY.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REZONED AT THAT POINT.
SO NOW WE'VE DONE A BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT.
YOU'RE IN TOWN, GUESS WHAT, WE CAN GIVE YOU WATER HERE, BUT IN YOUR SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, YOU'LL NEED TO PROVIDE WHATEVER THROUGH THERE.
'CAUSE THAT WAS MY QUESTION IS IF THEY'RE FRONTING ACROSS THE ROAD AND THAT BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT'S, THEN THEY'RE IN THE TOWN.
SO IS THAT, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
IS THAT EASIER FOR US TO REQUIRE THAT AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN IF IT'S IN TOWN COMPARED TO IF IT'S IN THE COUNTY CONTROL TOO? ALL THEY'RE ASKING US FOR IS WATER.
BUT THEY'RE NOT, AND WE MIGHT BE GETTING, YOU MIGHT BE GETTING AHEAD OF OURSELVES TOO, BECAUSE THEY MIGHT, YOU KNOW, THEY REALIZE THIS.
THEY WANNA KNOW IF THEY'LL, IF WE'LL GIVE THEM WATER.
AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I ALSO THINK TO MYSELF, IS THAT A FAIR SWAP? EITHER A SIDEWALK FOR, YOU KNOW, A SIDEWALK FOR, UM, WATER, NO TAX BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS OR WHATEVER WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE GETTING THOSE BENEFIT FROM.
OH, I, I KNOW THAT'S MY POINT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT IF WE TOOK IT INTO, IF WE DID A BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT, UM, THEN WE THEN WE HAVE CONTROL OF THE SIDE PLAN.
AND, AND JOE, THE TAF FEES, IF THEY WERE IN THE TOWN, TAFFIES ARE HAVE THE COST DOUBLE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WE'RE TALKING MONEY, RIGHT? SO IS NORTHWESTERN, OR IS THAT IN, IS IT THAT IN, IN THE TOWN? IS THE REST OF 'EM IN THE TOWN? I DON'T THINK SO.
REMEMBER THE MAP YOU SHOWED ME? IT'S A REALLY STRANGE WAY.
THEY'RE ON OUR LIST EVERY YEAR.
THERE'S A SIGN, RACHEL, THAT GATES IS, UH, IN TOWN MAINTENANCE AND THAT'S WHERE THE STATE STARTS.
THE NURSING HOME ISN'T IN TOWN.
SO WE, WE PROVIDE WATER, PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER TO NORTHWESTERN.
AND I THINK GEORGE, WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH GEORGE HERE A FEW MINUTES AGO, WE THINK THAT MORATORIUM WAS PLACED AFTER SOME OF THESE OTHERS WERE PUT ON.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT.
I'LL HAVE TO DO SOME RESEARCH, BUT I'M GONNA PREDICT PROBABLY SOME OF IT CAME FROM THE FACT THAT PEOPLE STARTED WORRYING ABOUT WATER.
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I MEAN, THINK ABOUT IT EARLIER TONIGHT.THAT WAS, I WAS GONNA SAY, IT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN HOT TOPIC OVER THE LAST, SINCE SUMMER.
EVERYBODY'S WORRIED ABOUT HAVING ENOUGH WATER.
SO PROBABLY MORE THAN LIKELY THIS COULD HAVE COME ABOUT BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE WORRIED ABOUT HAVING TO PROVIDE WATER TO ALL THESE PROPERTIES IN WARREN COUNTY.
UM, SO WHAT KIND OF DIFFICULTY CAN WE PREDICT? LET'S JUST SAY IF IT STAYS IN THE COUNTY AND OUR SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, OR THE, UH, SIDEWALK WORKER THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO HAVE DONE, WOULD IT BE MORE DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH THAT AS THEM BEING IN THE COUNTY? I MEAN, CAN WE DIFFICULT TO PREDICT? WE HAVE TO ENOUGH PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH THAT AREA.
I HAVE TO CONFER WITH STAFF, BUT I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IN THAT AREA TO DO A SIDEWALK.
THE ONLY ADDED BENEFIT WOULD BE IF THEY WOULD HELP CONTRIBUTE TO THAT SIDEWALK.
MM-HMM,
2.6 MILLION FOR PHASE ONE FOR A SIDEWALK WALL.
I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE.
YEAH, SO THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LITTLE JUNK WITH ME.
JOE, WHAT DID YOU WANNA, SO WE JUST VERIFIED THAT THE, UM, NORTHWESTERN AND ALL THAT WAS, WAS PRIOR TO THE MORATORIUM PLACED ON CHAPTER 1 34 1D, WHICH I CAN'T SPECULATE, BUT I WOULD MAYBE THAT INITIATED THAT MORATORIUM WAS NEEDS ADDED ON OUTSIDE THE COURT.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE ON TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION OR, UH, OR, OR WHAT DO YOU, WHAT IS YOUR ALL'S PREFERENCE AT THIS POINT? I, I'M BRING YOU BACK TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION AFTER HEATHER'S GOT TIME TO MILL OVER ALL THIS.
I MEAN I THINK, I THINK THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED, SHOULD CHEW ON THIS INFORMATION ABOUT THE TAP FEES AND CHEW ON THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, UH, DOUBLE WATER, DOUBLE WATER, YOU KNOW, COST AND THEN SEE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND THEN YEAH, GIVE US SOME BETTER DIRECTION.
HOW DOES THAT WORK? IS THAT SOMETHING WHERE WE CONTACT THEM OR DO WE HOPE THAT THEY'D WATCH THE MEETING? NO, I CAN MAKE CONTACT WITH THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS GREENWAY ENGINEERING.
IF YOU, I I DID, WHEN I TALKED TO GREENWAY ENGINEERING TODAY, I TOLD THEM THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING AT NIGHT, BUT THERE WASN'T A PLATFORM FOR THEM TO SPEAK THAT THEY COULD SPEAK, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU COULD GIVE THEM THE INVITATION TO SPEAK, BUT THERE WAS NO PLATFORM FOR THEM TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
SO I CAN INVITE THEM, UH, NEXT MONDAY IF, IF THAT'S THE WISHES OF COUNSEL.
I, I'LL HAVE TO, THE WAY I READ THE CODE, I, THE WAY I READ THE CODE, AND I'LL HAVE TO LET GEORGE WEIGH IN ON THIS, BUT THE WAY I READ THE CODE, THE FIRST DECISION COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE IS DO YOU WANT DO A
I I DON'T SEE WHERE, I MEAN, I, FOR THEM, THEY'RE GONNA WANT THE CHEAPEST ROUTE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BENEFIT US EITHER WAY.
I MEAN ROAD, IT'S OTHER, IF WE CAN GET PART OF OUR SIDEWALK OUT OF IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN OTHERWISE IT'S ACTUALLY NOT GONNA BENEFIT.
THIS IS ACTUALLY GONNA, AND I SAY US, BUT OUR CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, UM, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT IT BRINGS ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY A, ANOTHER RELIGIOUS, UH, ORGANIZATION, NOT, NOT REALLY AN ORGANIZATION, A NEW LOCATION FOR THEM OR WHATEVER, WHICH IS WELL, I, I I WOULD SAY IT'S A BENEFIT, BUT I'M SURE THAT'S NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT TO SAY.
BUT, UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT IS, IS THAT, IS THAT IF WE, UM, IF COUNCIL WERE TO ENTERTAIN THIS, THEN WHEN
WHY, WHY THIS TIME, WHY NOT THIS TIME SO THAT THE NEXT TIME THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE THAT MAKES SENSE.
ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE SHORES AREA, YOU KNOW, IT COULD COME YEAH.
A SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RIGHT NEXT TO, TO THE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
OR PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE, TO THE TOWN.
CAN YOU GUYS TALK US ON HERE AS WELL? SO YEAH.
SO AT THAT, AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, AND THE ONLY BENEFIT TO EVER DOING THAT, JUST LIKE IT WAS TO THE COURT, WELL OBVIOUSLY THE CORRIDOR, 'CAUSE THERE'S LOTS OF BENEFITS TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE PAYING DOUBLE THE RATE, THEN IT MAKES UP FOR THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHY THAT'S THERE IS THAT, I MEAN THE MORATORIUM, SORRY.
HAVING THE RATES, RIGHT PJ? YES.
TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE IDEA OF HAVING PEOPLE THAT ARE
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NOT PAYING INTO THE TAX BASE.WELL, IT'S NOT GOING BACK TO GENERAL FUND, IT'S TO JUST FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO FOR OUR FINAL QUESTION FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT, ROBBIE, I MEAN, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN TOWN OR COUNTY, IT'S NOT GONNA MATTER TO YOU AS FAR AS AMOUNT OF EFFORT RIGHT? IN YOUR TEAM, IF YOU PUT A WATER TAP IN, I MEAN THE AMOUNT OF WORK'S GONNA BE THE SAME WHETHER IT'S IN TOWN OR COUNTY RIGHT.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO, THEY UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IT PUT IN.
UM, AND I, WHEN I TALKED TO GREENWAY, I LET 'EM KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S A PILE OF UTILITIES ALREADY IN THERE THAT'S ARE GONNA HAVE TO ADJUST AND RELOCATE.
SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A, AS FAR AS THE GREENWAY TOO, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING THAT, AND, AND THIS IS HOW I FEEL LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULD NEED, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PURPOSE IN COMING WOULD BE IF THEY PROVIDED ALL THE INFORMATION THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANTED, THEY CAME FOR ONE OF THE OTHER APPLICANTS THEY DID WORK FOR.
YEAH, BUT REMEMBER ISN'T THAT, THAT'S WHEN THE NUMBERS WEREN'T RIGHT ON THEIR STUDY.
THAT'S WHY I SAID MAYBE THE 4,000 GALLONS A DAY WASN'T RIGHT.
I'M JUST SAYING IF THE FIRST THING COUNCIL NEEDS TO DECIDE, WOULD YOU DO A BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT? THAT'S FIRST.
RIGHT? AND THEN, SO I'M NOT SURE GREENWAY, THEIR JOB WAS JUST TO TELL US THEIR ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY GALLONS THEY'D USED.
WOULD THAT BE THE GREENWAY IS THE, UH, ENGINEER IS THE ENGINEER FOR THE APPLICANT, RIGHT.
WHO WAS PROVIDING ALL THE TECHNICAL INFORMATION AND I, AND UM, WE CAN PUT THIS ITEM FOR NEXT MONDAY.
AND I DON'T HAVE TO INVITE THEM.
I JUST, I WANTED TO ADD THAT THEY DID, I DID TALK TO 'EM TODAY AND TOLD THEM THAT THERE WAS NOT A PLATFORM FOR THEM TO SPEAK.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS, WHAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF OUR QUESTIONS HERE WOULD BE THINGS THAT THEY WOULD ANSWER.
AND, AND, AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD YOU ALL ASK, THEY'RE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN ANSWER.
I THINK OUR QUESTIONS WERE MORE LIKE, IS THE APPLICANT AWARE THEY'RE GONNA PAY MORE? UM, YOU KNOW, OR ENTERTAIN WHAT COUNCILMAN WOOD SAID, IF WE WERE TO DO A BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT, WOULD THEY CONSIDER PAYING FOR THE SIDEWALK? YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
BUT THAT'S REALLY A, THAT'S REALLY FAR DOWN THE ROAD.
WE GOTTA JUST WANT QUESTION ONE FIRST.
GEORGE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT WOULD BE THE FIRST QUESTION.
THAT SEEMS TO BE THE FIRST QUESTION IN MY MIND AND HOW IT INVOLVES THE COUNTY.
IT'S NOT A UNILATERAL DECISION TO BOUNDARY ADJUST.
IT REQUIRES THE COUNTY TO AGREE.
BUT, BUT WHAT, WHY? NO OFFENSE, BUT LIKE WHY WOULDN'T THEY? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY ANYTHING.
THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY TAX BENEFIT FROM IT EITHER.
SO IF ANYTHING, IT JUST WOULD MEAN WE WOULD PROVIDE THE OTHER SERVICES NOW OUR PD WOULD COVER IT AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
WHAT ABOUT, UM, IS THERE ANY, I KNOW THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA SOUND WEIRD, BUT I, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WERE MENTIONING ALL OF THESE PROTECTED SPECIES, RIGHT? THAT ARE IN THE AREA THAT THEY CAN HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ON.
AND SOME OF THESE THINGS, IT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE THERE'S CAVES AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE CAVES IN THAT AREA.
WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY GO TO BUILD THAT WE SAY WE DO THE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT AND THEN THEY FIND OUT ENGINEERING WISE THAT BECAUSE OF CAVES OR WHATEVER ELSE IS IN THAT LITTLE AREA THERE, THEY REALLY CAN'T DEVELOP IT.
IS THERE ANY IMPACT FOR US IF, IF WE DO A BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT AND WE'RE LEFT WITH LAND THAT CAN'T BE DEVELOPED? IS THAT, IS THEIR PROBLEM? IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE TAX BASE.
NOT, NOT UNLESS THE CHURCH OWNS IT.
AGREE TO BOUNDARY ADJUST THE TOWNS NOT AGREEING THAT THE SITE CAN BE DEVELOPED THE WAY THEY WANT TO.
MR. WALTZ, I DON'T KNOW THE YEAR, MAYBE 20 12, 20 13, BUT THIS AREA WAS CONSIDERED FOR BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT.
THIS PROPERTY HERE, THEY WERE GONNA BUILD RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND UM, AND COUNSEL WAS CONSIDERING DOING A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT AND COUNSEL CHOSE NOT TO DO A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT ON THIS PROPERTY FOR THIS RESIDENTIAL UNIT.
SO I HAVE TO GO BACK AND INTO THE CODE.
IT'S ALSO PART OF THE FLOOD PLAIN, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE FLOOD INSURANCE AND THE, I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SUBSIDIZED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND YOUR HANDS ARE TIED, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S LIKE RIGHT IN THE THICK PART OF IT.
NOT LIKE, DO THEY, DO THEY ALREADY, I'M, THIS IS SILLY QUESTION, DO THEY ALREADY OWN IT AND NOW THEY'RE ASKING FOR THIS OR, 'CAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE COME TO US TO FIND OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO SO THEY CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY DO WANNA BUY IT OR NOT.
CITY SIGN WAS GONE EVERY, IT SAYS THE PROPERTY OWNER AS C CRIER ROAD, LLCI GUESS THEY HAD TOO MANY DAYS, THEY, THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, THEY'RE STILL IN THEIR STUDY PERIOD.
SO THEY'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS FEASIBLE BEFORE THEY MOVE FORWARD.
RAT FIND THE, THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.
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THEY, SO THEY STILL GOTTA, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA DO THEIR INITIAL, INITIAL GEOTECH TO MAKE SURE THE GROUND IS STABLE, THAT THERE'S NOT CAR TOPOGRAPHY THERE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD BEFORE THEY CLOSE ON THAT PROPERTY.SO THERE'S LIKE NOT A RUSH ON OUR ANSWER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE, THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR US TO RESPOND TO THIS.
UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT IS DESIRING SOME ACTION, QUICK ACTION.
THAT THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE THEIR FUTURE DIRECTION.
BUT, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GUIDELINES ON THAT.
I DID RECEIVE THIS, UH, I DID RECEIVE IT BACK IN NOVEMBER, UH, AFTER CONSULTING WITH, UH, LEGAL, I TOLD THEM THAT THE REQUEST HAD TO BE JOINTLY FROM THE APPLICANT AND THE COUNTY, WHICH WE DID RECEIVE THAT IN DECEMBER.
SO WE'RE BRINGING THIS HERE TONIGHT.
WE CAN BRING IT BACK NEXT WEEK TO TALK ABOUT THE PREVIOUS, UH, CONSIDERATIONS ON THIS.
BUT I, I DON'T, MY, MY POSITION NOW IS I GOTTA FIND OUT WHAT OUR NEXT STEP IS.
IS THAT A VOTE ON THE 22ND TO BA REQUIREMENT OF BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT FOR WATER? I, I, THOSE ARE THE THINGS I'M GOING TO GET WITH, UH, MR. SONNET TO DETERMINE WHAT COUNSEL'S NEXT ACTION IS OR WHAT THAT PROCEDURAL STEP SHOULD BE.
AND TONIGHT WAS MORE OF A SEE THE APPETITE OF COUNCIL TO SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS WERE.
I JUST, I JUST FOUND FOUND IT INTERESTING ON THEIR STATEMENT OF, UH, OF JUSTIFICATION WHERE THEY NOTE, UH, IF APPLICATION IS DENIED, THE PROPERTY WILL ACQUIRE APPROPRIATE APPROVALS FOR SERVICE VIA PRIVATE DRAIN FUEL.
AND WELL, THAT'S WHAT I SAID THAT, THAT I POINTED THAT OUT EARLIER THAT OKAY.
THAT IF THEY, THAT THAT I, SO I MEAN, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THEY'RE YEAH.
IF WE DON'T DO IT, THEY'RE STILL GONNA GET WELLS.
THEY'RE GOING, THEY'RE GOING GO THAT ROUTE, WHICH IS, WELL, WHAT'D YOU SAY? THAT'S A LOT OF WATER FROM I KNOW.
YEAH, THEY, WELL, WELL, NO, THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING THAT, THAT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WELLS.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A TOWN GIRL, BUT I MAYBE DRY UP.
YEAH, WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING, I'M SAYING IT'S A LOT TO PAY FOR OUR WATER, BUT MAYBE IT'S CHEAPER THAN WORRYING WITH A WELL, SO ANYWAY, ALL RIGHT.
MR. WALTZ WILL JUST ADD THIS TO NEXT WEEK.
GIVE EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO, TO, UH, KEEP OUR THOUGHTS ON IT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS EVERYTHING THAT WAS PART OF OUR OPEN MEETING.
AND NEXT UP IS ITEM SIX, WHICH IS TO GO INTO CLOSED.
IF ANYBODY, UM, HAS A MOTION, MAD MAYOR, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 2 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE.
ONE PURSUANT TO 2.2371 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE TOWN ATTORNEY, ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY AND BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
AND TWO, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A EIGHT OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, OBLIGATIONS OF THE FRONT, ROYAL WARREN COUNTY, EDA SECOND.
SECOND, A MOTION AND A SECOND MS. PRESLEY PLACE MAY SEA LAW.
COUNCILMAN DE DEMON KANE? YES.
DOES ANYBODY NEED TO DO A RESTROOM.