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O'CLOCK.[Planning and Zoning Work Session on December 6, 2023]
GET STARTED.CALL TO ORDER THE LAND COMMISSION WORK SESSION FOR WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER THE SIXTH, 2023.
WE'LL START WITH A CALL TO ORDER AND A ROLL CALL WHEN MS. POTTER'S.
AND WITH THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM AND, UH, WE'LL GET STARTED.
WE HAVE THREE ITEMS OF BUSINESS THIS EVENING.
SO THE FIRST ITEM IS THE APPLICATION 2 3 0 0 6 9 5.
THE WARREN COALITION, UH, REQUEST FOR SUP FOR LODGING HOUSE LOCATED AT 5 0 1 SOUTH CORAL AVENUE.
ALL RIGHT, SO FOR THIS APPLICATION, UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A LODGING HOUSE.
THEY HAVE EIGHT BEDROOMS THAT THEY WILL BE USING.
IT'S ONE PARKING SPACE PER BEDROOM, PLUS AN ADDITIONAL TWO SPACES FOR STAFF.
SO THEY NEED 10 REQUIRED PARKING SPACES.
THEY DO SHOW 12 ON THE PLAT STAFF.
HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VIABILITY OF THE BASIS OF THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, UH, BE CONSTRUCTED, UH, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE SEP AND THAT THE PARKING LOT LAYOUT SUBMITTED.
UM, I THINK, SORRY, JOHN'S COMMENTS WERE THAT THE PARK, THE LAYOUT FOR THE PARKING LOT THEY SUBMITTED DOES NOT MEET TOWN STANDARDS.
SO THE CONDITION WILL JUST BE THAT THE PARKING LOT NEEDS TO MEET TOWN STANDARDS PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE.
SO THE PERMIT AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACTUAL USE ITSELF.
COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? CAN WE ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS? WELL, THE, I, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT SIMPLY BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA HEAR SOMETHING VERY FAMILIAR AND THE RATIONALE BEHIND ASKING FOR THIS.
HOW ARE Y'ALL TONIGHT? GOOD, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD.
I'M
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT THE COALITION.
UM, SO WHERE WE ARE IS, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO MOVE OUR MEN'S HOUSE TO A LARGER FACILITY, WHICH WILL BE THE ONE THAT'S THE FIVE, I THINK IT'S 5 0 1, UM, THAT HOUSE.
AND THEN WE WILL MAKE THE HOUSE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE GOING TO THE MEN'S HOUSE, THE FEMALE HOUSE.
UM, WE'VE BEEN VERY PLEASED WITH HOW THAT'S GOING.
WE'VE, SINCE WE'VE COME, BEFORE WE STARTED THIS, WE'VE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT NOW WITH DRUG COURT.
SO WE ARE HOUSING, DRUG DRUG COURT FOLKS FOR WHARTON COUNTY AS WELL.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN VERY PLEASED WITH THAT ARRANGEMENT 'CAUSE IT GIVES PEOPLE A SAFE SPACE THAT'S, THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO LIVES THERE WHO'S WATCHING THESE PEOPLE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
THERE'S NONE THIS, NOBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION.
IF YOU'RE COMING IN THE HOUSE AND YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE IMPAIRED, YOU'RE GETTING TESTED, YOU'RE ALSO GETTING TURNED IN TO PROBATION.
UM, SO WE'RE HOPING WE HAVE A SPACE FOR FEMALES.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO CALLS YESTERDAY, UM, FROM NORTHWESTERN LOOKING FOR HOUSING FOR FEMALES.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THEM HERE.
WE'D LIKE TO GET THAT UP AND GOING.
UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.
UM, WE'VE BEEN HAPPY WITH HOW THE, WITH HOW THE HOUSE HAS GONE SO FAR.
AND, UM, THE JAMES WHO RUNS THE HOUSE, MAN, I, IT'LL MAKE ME CRY IF I REALLY TELL YOU ABOUT HOW WONDERFUL JAMES IS.
UM, AND REALLY, REALLY CARES ABOUT THESE PEOPLE.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
AND JUST HOPING IF WE'VE GOT MORE BEDS WE CAN ACCOMMODATE.
JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, BECAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES THERE'S THIS, YOU'RE GONNA BRING PEOPLE IN FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO COME STAY HERE.
AND WE'RE BRINGING PEOPLE IN WHO HAVE A SUBSTANCE MISUSE ISSUE TO AN AREA, ALREADY HAVE A SUBSTANCE MISUSE ISSUE.
UM, WE HAVE HAD ONE PERSON WHO WASN'T FROM PAGE, I'M SORRY, WARREN SHENANDOAH OR WIN THE WINCHESTER AREA IN THE TIME THAT WE'VE HAD THE HOUSE OPEN.
AND THEY ACTUALLY WERE A GREAT RESIDENT.
TONS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE WITH THEM, LOTS OF VOLUNTEERING, LOTS OF GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THEY ACTUALLY LEFT AND WENT BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM BECAUSE THEY WERE GONNA BE ALLOWED TO HAVE CUSTODY OF THEIR KIDS.
SO THEY HAD TO GO BACK TO GET THEM.
BUT, UM, THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES.
EVERYBODY ELSE, PROBABLY 90% OF THE PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE ARE WARREN.
WE HAVE A COUPLE IN THERE WHO, YOU KNOW FROM SHENANDOAH, BUT GENERALLY IT'S A LOCAL, IT'S A LOCAL HOUSE WITH LOCAL PEOPLE IN IT.
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QUESTIONS FOR YOU BECAUSE WE HEARD, AND, UH, EVENTUALLY THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE USE OF THE NORTH ROYAL PROPERTY.UH, HOW DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT'S WORKED OUT? THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND HAVE WE HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THAT WAS A CONCERN.
WE ACTUALLY, WE ACTUALLY, THE THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE TO THE RIGHT OF THE HOUSE, UM, HAVE ACTUALLY BROUGHT FOOD OVER TO THE HOUSE TO FEED THE GUYS.
AND THE GUY, THE OTHER GUY WHO SPOKE SORT OF CATTY CORNER IN THE BACKYARD, THEY'RE ACTUALLY FRIENDS WITH HIM AND HE'LL COME OVER AND HANG OUT, HAS PLAYS BALL SOMETIMES WITH THE GUYS.
SO IT'S BEEN THE RELATIONSHIP, I THINK THE FEARS AND NOT UNFOUNDED.
I MEAN, THEY JUST HAD A, ANOTHER OVERDOSE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS IN THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE GUY WHO LIVES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ALLEY, THAT YELLOW APARTMENT BUILDING HAD ANOTHER ONE MONDAY.
UH, THEY DIDN'T DIE, BUT THERE WAS A, THERE WAS AN OVERDOSE THERE.
THERE'S BEEN NO NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
UNDER, UNDER THE REUTILIZATION OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH I THINK IS A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL THING.
THEREFORE, IF WE LOOK AT THAT MODEL AND WE MOVE UP TO THIS PROPERTY THAT ALLOWS YOU TO OPEN IT, UH, UP FOR, UH, FEMALES AND MALES UP HERE, EXCUSE ME, I'M SPECULATING.
THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT PROPERTY BESIDES UH, A GREATER NUMBER OF ROOMS IS THE PROXIMITY TO SHOPPING, UH, GROCERIES.
UH, RURAL KING MARTINS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE HOUSE NOW WHO WORK AT MARTIN'S ON THE OVERNIGHT SHIFTS, LIKE THEIR STOCK.
SO I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE VERY HAPPY IF THEY LITERALLY WERE UP AT THE TOP OF THE STREET AND COULD WALK TO MARTIN'S VERSUS FROM WHERE THEY ARE AROUND.
I WOULDN'T WANNA DO THAT AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
I MEAN, WELL, AND, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO PREEMPT WHEN WE DO OUR PUBLIC HEARING, UH, YOU KNOW, ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE FEARS.
UH, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE LAST TIME NEIGHBORS CAME OUT, WELL IF YOU'RE GONNA LET RECOVERING ADDICTS BE HERE AND WE ALREADY HAVE THIS AND THAT PROBLEM, UM, I THINK THAT CERTAINLY WE'RE VERY PLEASED AND, AND VERY POSITIVE IN WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
UM, SO YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A MESSAGE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE GETS ACROSS.
IT'S BEEN A SUCCESS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S BEEN A, AN ASSET AND NOW WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, HELP OTHER PEOPLE.
AND SO FAR NO NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES.
AND, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE HAD SOME, WE HAD A GUY AT THE HOUSE WHO ACTUALLY CALLED THE POLICE TO HAVE SOMEONE COME AND I, NOT TO THE HOUSE, BUT THERE WAS SOMEBODY WANDERING AROUND NAKED EARLY IN THE MORNING OUT BACK AND HE THOUGHT, HMM, MAYBE SOMEBODY SHOULD COME AND DO THAT.
AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW HOW WEIRD THAT WAS THAT I WAS ACTUALLY CALLING THE POLICE TO HAVE THE POLICE COME.
I MEAN, GENERALLY YOU RUN THE OTHER WAY.
SO THAT, THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS
I JUST APPRECIATE YOUR, THE MINISTRY.
WHAT'S YOUR OCCUPANCY OF THE OTHER PLACE? THE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY OPEN? YES.
AND I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE TROUBLE.
IT DIDN'T, SO WE OPENED LIKE THE 23RD OR 24TH OF MAY.
WE HAD THREE PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE IN WITHIN TWO DAYS.
THEN WE GOT TWO MORE AND THEN WE WERE AT FULL CAPACITY I THINK EARLY SEPTEMBER WHEN WE HAD, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY BEDS.
WE HAD PEOPLE CALLING SAYING, HEY, CAN WE GET A BED? SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WON'T HAVE TROUBLE WITH THAT.
AND LIKE I SAY, THEY CALL FOR FEMALE BEDS ALL THE TIME AND THEY JUST CLOSED AN OXFORD HOUSE IN MANCHESTER THAT WAS 15 BEDS.
IT WAS A MALE HOUSE, BUT NOW THAT HOUSE IS GONE.
SO THEY'RE DOWN 15 BEDS IN WINCHESTER.
I SUSPECT TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE FROM THE WINCHESTER AREA LOOKING FOR HOUSE IN THIS DIRECTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? NO.
UH, APPLICATION NUMBER 2 3 0 0 700 A REZONING APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY SKYLINE REALTY INVESTMENTS LLC.
SO REQUEST REZONED 29 WEST DUCK STREET.
SO THIS IS A REZONING REQUEST TO GO AROUND
UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THIS ON THE BASIS THAT UM, IT'S CURRENTLY IN A RESIDENTIAL USE AND THERE'S NOT SUFFICIENT DEPTH FOR ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL UM, STRUCTURE TO BE PUT ON THIS PROPERTY.
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THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE IT AS RESIDENTIAL AND REZONE IT TO R THREE.EVENTUAL USE OF IT WILL BE TO BUILD TO HOMES ON THIS SITE.
UM, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF DUCK STREET WHEN YOU TURN ACROSS FROM LAWYER MOTOR.
IT'S RIGHT BESIDE MATTHEW'S ON IT'S MATTHEW'S.
IS THAT ONE QUESTION I DID HAVE? IS THAT THE LAST COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON DUCK STREET? HEADING WEST? YEP.
AND THEN IT BECOMES, I THINK IT'S UM, R TWO.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE SON WAS AROUND AT THE TIME, BUT THAT WHOLE END OF RIVERTON AS I RECALL GOT REZONED C ONE.
UH, AND THAT'S HOW THAT HOUSE, UH, THE NER HOUSE I CALL IT, GOT INCORPORATED INTO THAT AS WELL AS UP ON THE HILL.
AND THEN I KNOW THE PROPERTY'S UP ON THE HILL HAVE JUST BEEN SOLD, BUT THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE THEM IN RESIDENTIAL USES 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT A VIABLE COMMERCIALS USED THERE.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
COMMERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SO THIS IS THAT CURRENTLY VACANT LOT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MATTHEW'S? WELL THERE'S CURRENTLY IN THE HOUSE A FAMILY HOME AND THEN HE OWNS LIKE THREE VACANT LOTS THAT ARE ADJACENT.
IT'S THREE, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
THE THREE LOTS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO IT.
UM, HE DOES RUN IT, I BELIEVE HE RUNS HIS SEPTIC MR. RUFFNER RIGHT? YES.
RUNS HIS SEPTIC BUSINESS OUT OF THERE.
SO ASSUMING THEY WOULD RELOCATE OR MAYBE THEY'RE GONNA DISSOLVE THE BUSINESS, BUT, UM, IT WAS SOMEWHAT ARBITRARILY BUT JUST INCLUDED INTO A REZONING OF AN AREA.
KINDA LIKE THE CHRIS RAMSEY THING ENDED UP BEING COMMERCIAL, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THAT, THAT THE PROBABILITY OF THAT EVER BEING USED WAS, I THINK IF I MAY FINALLY CHIME IN ON THE QUESTION.
UM, NO, IT WAS, I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE ON THIS, BUT I THINK IT WAS PART OF A BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT WITH THE COUNTY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THE, THE ZONING WAS ADDRESSED.
IT WAS PART OF A BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT.
IT'S LIKE, WHEN I LOOK AT IT, AT LEAST FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, I'M, I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH IT BEING COMMERCIAL JUST BECAUSE A DEVELOPER, THE CONTRACTOR'S GONNA HAVE TO BUY UP BASICALLY THAT WHOLE COMMERCIAL, UH, STRIPPED THERE AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET IT ON BOTH SIDES FOR THERE TO BE ANY VIABLE COMMERCIAL USE THERE.
SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE COMPLETELY FOR IT TO BE NOT THE BEST LOOKING PROPERTY GENERAL.
A REZONING APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY COOK REALTY, LLC REZONE 11 21, 25, AND 35 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY FROM R ONE RESIDENTIAL TO C ONE COM, UH, BUSINESS.
SO THIS PROPERTY YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH, UM, THESE THREE LOTS ARE THE TRELLIS PROPERTY.
SO IN THIS INSTANCE NOW THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE IT TO COMMERCIAL.
UM, DECON PLAN SUPPORTS THIS REZONING.
WE HAVE IT SHOWN AS WE HAVE AN ENTIRE JOHN MARSHALL CORRIDOR SHOWN AS, UM, MIXED USE COMMERCIAL IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO THIS FITS AND I BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT USE OF THE PROPERTY IS A COMMERCIAL USE MORE SO THAN ANY RESIDENTIAL USE.
UM, THIS WILL BRING THE APPLICANT INTO FULL COMPLIANCE.
SO THIS JUST TIES UP LOOSE ENDS OF ALL THAT OLE, WE WENT THROUGH THAT, THIS ONE AND THAT LOT IN THIS SPOT AND THAT ONE AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
STEPHANIE WA AND CONGRATULATIONS ON A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL CHRISTMAS EVENT AND THAT WAS VERY GENEROUS OF YOU TO PUT THAT ON FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AMY AND I GOT TO TOUR THAT AND IT'S BAD.
SHE ALREADY WANTS US TO RENT ONE BECAUSE THE KIDS ALONG WITH US.
SO IT, WELL THE, THE COMMUNITY A BEAUTIFUL LOVES IT.
WONDERFUL ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY AND YOU ARE TO BE THANKED FOR DOING THAT.
WE'VE HAD OVERWHELMING SUPPORT.
SO WE'RE BOOKED UP, UM, FROM JANUARY, I THINK IT'S JANUARY THE FOURTH, ALL THE WAY UP TILL APRIL.
UM, AND IT'S, ONE OF THEM IS THE CATHOLICS HAVE A SYMPOSIUM ON THE HERE IT'S GONNA BE THERE, UM, FROM MICHIGAN.
IT'S A DOCTOR OUT OF MICHIGAN THAT HAS RENTED THE HOUSE FROM FEBRUARY THE 19TH TO APRIL THE 22ND.
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A BISHOP THAT WILL BE STAYING THERE THAT THEY HAVE A PAINTING THAT WAS DONE.SO THERE'S A LOT OF CULTURE COMING INTO THE COMMUNITY.
WE ARE THE THIRD LARGEST CATHOLIC COMMUNITY IN THE NATION.
AND SO, UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM THE ARLINGTON DIOCESE AS WELL AS SOME WEDDINGS.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF BABY SHOWERS, WE'VE HAD BUSINESS MEETINGS.
UM, SO THE USE THAT WE FELT IT WAS GONNA BE FOR HAS, UM, REALLY TAKEN HOLD AND I SEE A LOT OF VIABILITY FOR THE FUTURE.
I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS IN PAST AND THIS, UH, PRESENTING REQUEST.
THIS REALLY GETS IT IN COMPLIANCE FOR USE.
YEAH, THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS REQUESTED TO DO IN THE BEGINNING, BUT IT, IT WASN'T UNDER THE CODE AT THAT POINT TO DO IT.
SO ONCE IT CAME THROUGH, I, AS I HAD PROMISED, I WOULD COME BACK AND RESUBMIT AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE DONE.
WHAT'S THE SOURCE OF THAT DATA POINT ABOUT THIS BEING THE THIRD LARGEST COUNTY PER CAPITA ACT? YEAH, PER CAPITA.
IT HAS ACTUALLY CAME OUT OF A MAGAZINE THAT WHAT MAGAZINE? I'LL HAVE TO SEND IT TO LAUREN AND SHE CAN GET IT TO YOU GUYS.
UM, IT'S 'CAUSE OF CHRISTIANDOM THAT WE HAVE DRAWN AND I READ IT AND WE HAD QUITE A FEW CATHOLICS COME INTO JUNE WOOD AND IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.
SO I'LL FORWARD THE, THE, UM, DOCUMENT TO LAWRENCE SO SHE CAN SEND IT TO YOU.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE MAGAZINE THAT DID IT, BUT THEY SENT IT TO ME.
I STILL AM A LITTLE BIT, JOE'S A CATHOLIC, I'M A CATHOLIC AND SO I HAD TOLD HIM ABOUT IT ON THE PHONE.
HE'S LIKE, WHAT
BUT, UM, THE PLACES YOU UNDERSTAND PER CAPITA THAT IT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR POPULATION AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME.
THE PERCENTAGE ON YEAH, IT'S, IT'S CRAZY.
ANY DOWNSIDE TO THIS? UM, I MEAN I, I DON'T THINK THERE ARE DOWNSIDES TO THIS.
I GUESS ZONING FOR ARE THE CORRECT USE.
I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THAT I CAN BRING THIS PROPERTY INTO
OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD THEN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PUBLIC COULD GIVE US INPUT IT UP.
LITTLE BIT BACK, BUT IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
WELL WE ALSO HAD TO WAIT, SHE HAD TO WAIT FOR THE CONFERENCE PLAN TO BE PASSED.
SO THIS THAT RIGHT? YOU'RE ON CAMERA.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL WE GOT ON THE AGENDA.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT'S FOR BREAKFAST AND MAR IES
WELL, I'VE GOT THE, DO YOU HAVE GLUTEN FREE ITEMS? GIMME JUST A SECOND.
WE ARE GETTING READY TO ADD GLUTEN-FREE BREAKFAST.
SO WE'LL HAVE ALL MR. BOLS CAN BE GLUTEN-FREE.
BEAR WITH ME FOR A MOMENT WHILE I FIND THIS, PLEASE.
UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY TO, UH, THE COMMISSION, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S MY ELECTION TO COUNCIL, UM, COMES A TIME THAT IT HAS TO BE A DECISION BOTH ON MY PART AND COUNCIL'S PART AS TO, UM, UH, CONTINUATION ON BOTH BOARDS.
UM, AND, AND IF MR. SONNET WILL, UH, CHECK ME ON THIS.
IF VIRGINIA CODE PERMITS ONE MEMBER OF THE GOVERNING BODY TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION SPECIFIC SECTION I HAVE IS 15.2 DASH 2212.
UM, THE COUNCIL WILL BE TAKING UP THIS, UM, NOTHING IS ASSUMED.
SO THE COUNCIL WILL BE, UM, I'M GUESSING, DECIDING, INTERVIEWING, WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA DO TO FILL THE POSITION.
UM, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UH, WITH, WITH OUR, OUR NEW FRIENDS HERE ON THE COMMISSION, THE TOWN JUST SPENT A LOT OF MONEY SENDING MICHAEL AND I TO GET OUR CERTIFICATION.
I'M, I WANT TO PUT IT OUT IN MY WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE FOR ONE YEAR ON THE COMMISSION SHOULD YOU WANT ME TO AND SHOULD THE TOWN COUNCIL DECIDE TO REAPPOINTMENT ME.
UM, AND I, I WOULD NEVER ASK YOU IN A PUBLIC FORUM TO DO ANYTHING, BUT, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE
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PARTICIPATION, MAYBE LET THE COUNCIL KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS.WHEN DOES YOUR, UM, WHEN DOES YOUR CURRENT, I'M TALKING PAGE, MY CURRENT TERM, WHEN DOES YOUR CURRENT TERM END? DO YOU KNOW CONNIE? UM, LET ME LOOK ON, ON COUNCIL.
LEMME SEE IF I CAN PULL IT UP.
WELL, I CAN SAY SOMETHING LATER ABOUT IT.
WELL, HOW SOON WOULD THEY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER OR NOT IN JANUARY? YES.
WAS AS WAS JUST RECITED IN JANUARY.
DETERMINE THESE TWO MEMBERS SHALL BE CO-EXTENSIVE WITH THE TERM OF OFFICE, WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN ELECTED OR APPOINTED UNLESS THE GOVERNING BODY AT THE FIRST REGULAR MEETING EACH YEAR APPOINTS OTHERS TO SERVE AS THEIR REPRESENTATIVES.
SO EVEN THOUGH HIS APPOINTMENT LASTS BEYOND THAT, THE TOWN COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SAY HE CAN'T KEEP DOING IT.
YOUR TERM EXPIRES AUGUST 31ST, 2024.
WELL, I'M, I'M WILLING TO GO TO THE END OF THE TERM IF REAPPOINT AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE REAPPOINTMENT WOULD BE TO CONTINUE WITH THE TERM OR I, I DON'T KNOW.
I WOULD LEAVE THAT TO OUR, OUR, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL.
I'M JUST SAYING TO YOU THAT, UH, AS FELLOW COMMISSIONERS YOU MAY WANT TO BRING SOME NEW BLOOD ON BOARD, UH, OR YOU MAY WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS WHOLE, UH, PLOW HORSE WITH YOU THAT THAT'S YOUR PLEASURE.
AND, UH, WHATEVER YOU THINK OF IT, FEEL FREE TO SHARE YOUR COMMENTS WITH THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL.
WELL, IN THE PAST, JUST TALKING OUT LOUD, THEY NEVER FIND ANYBODY IMMEDIATELY AND IT TAKES A PERIOD OF TIME TO GO THROUGH APPLICATIONS, INTERVIEW PROCESS, ET CETERA.
WOULD THEY ALLOW HIM TO BE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNTIL THEY FOUND THE REPLACEMENT AS OPPOSED TO THE WHOLE YEAR? THE WAY I READ IT, THERE WOULD BE A DECISION AT THE FIRST ANNUAL MEETING.
FIRST MEETING OF THE, OF EACH YEAR, WHICH IS JANUARY.
SO I THINK IT'S EITHER ON OR OFF.
SO THEN PRESUMABLY YOU GET TO VOTE ON WHO TOOK YOUR PLACE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION IF THEY WERE
I, I GUESS, WELL, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS IN JANUARY, IF THEY DON'T VOTE TO ALLOW HIM TO STAY ON BOTH, WE COULD SIT WITH ONE VACANCY FOR CORRECT.
FOR UNDETERMINED AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE A VACANCY AND BE ONE SHORT OR WOULD YOU RATHER NO, I UNDERSTAND INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.
READING THE, HAVING THAT READ IT SAYS THAT ON BASICALLY FIRST OF THE YEAR, THE COUNCIL IS GONNA MAKE THAT DETERMINATION LOOK RIGHT, REGARDLESS OF EVEN IF WE SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THEM, IT'S STILL THEIR DECISION.
BUT THEN YOUR, YOUR TIME'S UP IN AUGUST ANYWAY.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS AROUND HERE, BUT NORMALLY, BUT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
I MEAN, THEY TALK IT TO DEATH AND THEN IT GOES INTO PAGE.
SO IT'S CONCEIVABLE HE COULD STILL BE HERE UNTIL HIS TERM ENDS, AT WHICH TIME HE'D HAVE TO RESUBMIT.
WELL, I DON'T MIND WRITING A LAWYER OR WHOEVER AND SAYING, LOOK, I MEAN, BECAUSE IF IF THEY, IF WE REPLACE GLEN, THEY'RE JUST REPLACING HIM UNTIL AUGUST.
SO WE'RE TECHNICALLY GOING OUT TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT WE'RE GONNA SEND TO RICHMOND, PAY A CRAPLOAD OF MONEY TO TRAIN ONLY FOR THEM TO BE DONE IN AUGUST.
THEY SEEK REAPPOINTMENT THOUGH.
IT, IT IS A COUNCIL ISSUE, SO IT'S RIGHT.
NO, I'LL WRITE 'EM, I'LL WRITE 'EM OUT, SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
YEAH, I'M LOOKING IN THE BYLAWS RIGHT NOW.
WE ADJOURN SECOND SAYING IT DOESN'T MATTER.