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OKAY, I'M GONNA CALL[Town Council Work Session on November 13, 2023.]
TO ORDER THE FRONT WORLD TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, NOVEMBER 13TH.UM, MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR CAUFIELD HERE.
COUNCILMAN MONICA PAYNE? HERE.
SO I IMAGINE THAT'S THE PROCESS AND WE STARTED IT
UM, SO, UH, COUNSEL AND THOSE THAT HAVE JOINED US AND THOSE THAT ARE ONLINE, UH, OUR FIRST ITEM TONIGHT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN UPDATE ON THE
AND, UM, I'M SORRY TO, UH, LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE WILL NOT BE HAVING AN UPDATE TONIGHT.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN ASKING, I I, I SPECIFICALLY HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR MONTHS TO GET AN UPDATE 'CAUSE CITIZENS WERE WONDERING, UM, WHAT WAS GOING ON BECAUSE THE DATE OUTSIDE OF THE, UM, BUILDING SAID, YOU KNOW, 2023 AND WE'RE NOW IN NOVEMBER, 2023.
AND PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY, UH, FOLKS HAVE FIGURED OUT THAT IT'S NOT, UM, NOT, UH, NOT PROBABLY GONNA GET FINISHED IN THE NEXT MONTH.
SO I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR AN UPDATE.
MR. WALTZ, UM, HAS, HAS, UH, BEEN TRYING TO SECURE THAT UPDATE.
WE DID HAVE AN UPDATE SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT.
UM, AND I GUESS, UH, THEY WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS WOULD BE IN A CLOSED MEETING, NOT AN OPEN MEETING, NOT AN OPEN PUBLIC MEETING.
YOU ALL KNOW THAT THE VIRGINIA FOIA ACT IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHEN WE CAN TALK IN CLOSED AND WHEN WE CAN'T TALK IN CLOSED.
UM, CLOSED IS USUALLY FOR THINGS SUCH AS PERSONNEL OR LEGAL ADVICE, RIGHT, MR. SONIC.
WELL, ACTUALLY THERE ARE MANY CATEGORIES, MANY CATEGORIES, BUT HEARING ABOUT AN UPDATE ON A BUILDING WOULD NOT BE ONE OF THEM.
I KNOW I MYSELF, UM, UH, POST ON SOCIAL MEDIA
UM, AS I SAID, JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT FOUR MINUTES AGO THAT IT WAS NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
SO I DO APOLOGIZE TO COUNSEL AND TO ALL THOSE WHO ARE HERE AND THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING.
SO WE WILL, UM, WE WILL TRY AGAIN ANOTHER WAY MAYBE TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION.
'CAUSE THE CITIZENS DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST INTERESTED, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE TO DRIVE PAST IT.
THEY JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHAT PROGRESS IS BEING MADE.
AND I, I DO KNOW THAT THERE WAS PROGRESS MADE IN THE INSIDE, BUT IT'S HARD TO SEE THAT PROGRESS.
CITIZENS RIDING BACK CAN'T SEE THAT SAME TYPE OF PROGRESS INSIDE AS THEY CAN ON THE OUTSIDE.
SO WE WILL, WE WILL, UH, TRY TO AGAIN, UM, TRY TO GET AN UPDATE.
AND, AND AGAIN, I DO APOLOGIZE, UM, THAT'S OKAY THAT THERE WAS, UM, MISCOMMUNICATION, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS AN OPEN SESSION.
IS THERE ANY, UH, DID THEY GIVE ANY REASON WHY? UM, I, THE, I, NO, I, OKAY.
I THINK IT WAS, THEY THOUGHT THAT IT WAS GONNA BE IN A CLOSED SESSION, AND SO, OKAY.
UM, AGAIN, I DON'T, I, I CAN'T, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, UH, ANYTHING I WOULD SAY WOULD JUST BE SPECULATING AND I TRY REALLY HARD NOT TO DO THAT IN THIS, IN THIS ROLE.
SO, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE WILL STILL KEEP ASKING.
UM, AND, AND AS I SAID, IT'S MORE OF JUST A WAY TO KEEP OUR CITIZENS INFORMED, UM, MORE SO THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY, THEY CONTROL THE TIMELINE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
SO, BUT MANY VERSES SINCE FEEL INVESTED IN THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING AND PROJECT.
DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING, MR. WALTZ? NO.
UM, IS, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE TO THE AGENDA? I'VE ALREADY MADE ONE
IS THERE ANOTHER CHANGE TO THE AGENDA? MS. UM, COUNCIL REMORSE? I BELIEVE YOU HAD SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE AGENDA AFTER ITEM FOUR.
UM, A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED.
UM, DO WE NEED TO STATE WHY? STATE WHY WE'RE GOING INTO CLOSE OR WAIT UNTIL THE MOTION'S READ AT THAT TIME.
SO ALL THOSE, WELL, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL AS TO, UM, IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH MM-HMM.
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AGENDA, ITEMS TO BE DISCUSSED? COUNCILWOMAN, DID DEMON PAYNE? YES.SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY UNDER OLD BUSINESS, UM, WHICH WAS A REQUEST FOR AN EASEMENT ON TOWN PROPERTY FROM BILL HOUND, SHALL, I HOPE I'M SAYING THAT CORRECTLY, NEAR DUCK STREET.
MR. WALTZ, UM, WERE YOU, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT FOR US? SURE.
UM, STEPH RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM, UM, WILLIAM HOUNDS SHELL ON AUGUST 23RD, 2023.
UH, HE'S REQUESTING A 10 FOOT INGRESS EGRESS ON OUR PROPERTY TO GET TO HIS PROPERTY.
UH, THIS DID COME TO COUNSEL, I THINK IT MIGHT'VE BEEN BACK IN SEPTEMBER, BUT STAFF WASN'T PREPARED TO COMMENT ON THAT.
UH, SO DURING THIS TIME WE DID, UH, UH, SOLICIT INPUT FROM DEPARTMENT HEADS, WHICH REALLY HAD NO, UH, THEY HAD NO IMPACT WITH THE INGRESS EGRESS, BUT WE DID GET, UH, SOME COMMENTS BACK ADVISING THAT WE SHOULD NOT, WE SHOULD DENY THIS REQUEST FOR AN EASEMENT DUE TO POTENTIAL ISSUES CREATED BY GIVING A THIRD PARTY ACCESS RIGHTS TO TOWNS ALONG TOWN, PROPERTY ALONE ALONG THE RIVER THAT OTHERWISE WAS CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, BUT, UH, MR. HOUNDS SHELL IS REQUESTING A 10 FOOT EASEMENT.
UH, OUR PROPERTY STRETCHES FROM THERE, UH, ON DUCK STREET UNDER THE BRIDGE TO HIS PROPERTY.
VDOT OWNS THE PROPERTY UNDER THE ACTUAL BRIDGE ITSELF.
UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, MR. HOUNDS, SHE SAID THAT HE HAS TALKED WITH VDOT AND THEY WILL GRANT HIM THE EASEMENT.
SO WHILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENY, IT IS UP TO COUNSEL'S, UH, PURVIEW IF THEY WANT TO ENTERTAIN THIS EASEMENT OR NOT.
SO IF WE WERE TO DENY THIS, IF COUNSEL WERE TO DENY THIS, HE WOULD STILL HAVE ACCESS TO HIS PROPERTY THROUGH VDOT, UH, THROUGH A VDOT NO, HE HAS NO ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT VDOT WOULD, THE THE PROPERTY IS BORDERED BY THE RIVER AND, AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
SO HIS ONLY ACCESS POINT, EVEN AT THIS TODAY, IS TO, UM, ACCESS TOWN PROPERTY.
THIS IS A REALLY STRANGE QUESTION, BUT HOW DO YOU, HOW, SORRY IF THIS IS, UH, UH, AN IMMATURE QUESTION, BUT HOW DO, WHY DO YOU, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE, WHY WOULD YOU BUY PROPERTY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO? IS THERE SOME OTHER REASON? RIGHT, SO DURING THE PROCESS, WE FOUND THAT THIS FIVE BAKER TRACK THAT HE'S PROVIDING, TRYING TO GET EGRESS TO, UH, WAS PART OF A 50 AC 50 ACRE PARCEL.
AND THEN THERE WERE TWO PARCELS LINKED TO THAT, AND THEN THEY WENT AWAY FOR CERTAIN REASONS, LIKE IN 2018.
AND, AND EVEN ON THE PROPERTY CARD, IT SAYS NO ACCESS BETWEEN RAILROAD AND THE RIVER.
WHEN YOU SAY THE PROPERTY CARD, SO WHEN THE PERCH, THE PERSON PURCHASED IT OR INHERITED IT OR HOWEVER IT CAME TO BE, THEY WERE AWARE THEN ON THE PROPERTY CARD THAT THERE WAS NO ACCESS.
IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? WASN'T THERE ACCESS TO UNTIL, WAS IT 2018? 2018 IS WHEN THE TWO I, I'M GONNA SAY I, I WON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, BUT I THINK IT WAS AROUND 2018 WHERE THE TWO PARCELS THAT WERE LINKED TO THE FIVE ACRE PARCEL ACROSS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS WERE, YEAH, THEY HAD TO GO WHERE, RIGHT.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THEY HAD TO GO WITH THEY THOSE OR DO WE SORRY, DO WE KNOW? DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST, IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOLD, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW.
BUT CAN, UM, CAN SOMEBODY GET EASEMENT THROUGH SOMEBODY? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE TRYING TO GET EASEMENT THROUGH THE TOWN'S PROPERTY, BUT CAN HE NOT SEEK, UH, AN EASEMENT FROM THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT MR THAT, I DON'T KNOW THERE'S ANY ACROSS THE RAILROAD, RIGHT.
THE UNFORTUNATE THING HE WOULD'VE TO CROSS THE RAILROAD.
SO HE'S LIMITED AND HE IS JOINING TO ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER NORTH OF THAT OR SOUTH OF THAT TRACK.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ACCESS POINTS OF THAT PROPERTY.
AND YOU CAN'T, AND, BUT IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU WOULD THINK THAT EASEMENT, IF HE HAD THE EASEMENT FROM THE TOWN, IS THERE A REASON WHY STAFF THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY THEN EXTEND TO OTHER PEOPLE? UM, WELL, I MEAN, IF IT'S GONNA BE AN EASEMENT TO HIS PROPERTY, I WOULD THINK THAT THE PEOPLE THAT'D BE GOING TO HIS PROPERTY WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULD SEE IT AS AN OPEN ROAD.
I THINK YOU MEAN IF IT SELLS OR CHANGES OWNERSHIP, THE EASEMENT DOESN'T GO WITH IT? WELL, I MEANT THE, THE, THE TOWN STAFF SOUNDED LIKE THEY WERE CONCERNED THAT THERE WOULD BE NOW A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC ON THE PROPERTY.
AND, AND I WAS WONDERING IF, IF THAT REALLY WOULD BE THE CASE.
UM, IF YOU'RE REALLY THINKING THAT WOULD BE THE CASE AT THIS POINT.
YOU KNOW, UH, FOR ME, I THINK IT'S, UH, SECURITY ACCESS TO THAT AREA.
UM, I DON'T, I THINK THAT FROM STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT
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WE WOULD BE, UH, GIVEN THIRD PARTY ACCESS TO A PLACE WE DON'T ALLOW THE PUBLIC GO TO DOWN BY THE RIVER.SO I THINK THERE'S SOME, I I DON'T THINK IT DETERS COUNSEL IF THEY WANT TO ENTERTAIN THIS EASEMENT.
UM, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
AND THERE'S UTIL THERE'S UTILITIES IN, IN THERE IS A SEWER LINE, WHAT I'M AWARE OF THAT GOES ALONG THAT PROPERTY.
WHAT, WHAT WOULDN'T IMPACT INGRESS EGRESS, IT'S MORE OF A, DOES COUNSEL WANT TO, UH, ENTERTAIN THAT AND THEN COUNSEL, IF THEY DO DECIDE WITH AN INGRESS, EGRESS EASEMENT, THEY CAN, THEY CAN MAKE IT AS RESTRICTIVE AS YOU, AS YOU CHOOSE.
UH, IT'S IN ALL, WHATEVER THE PLEASURE OF COUNSEL IS AT THIS TIME.
WHAT, WHAT IS THAT, WHAT IS THAT ZONED RIGHT NOW? THAT HAND DOWN THERE? R TWO, R TWO.
I AM, THAT'S WHAT THE MAP SAYS.
SO, SO CAN WE ASSUME THAT THE IDEA IS THAT THE FUTURE OF THAT WOULD BE TO PUT HOUSING THERE ON THE, UH, I HAVE, THEY WANT ACCESS TO, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MR. MICHELLE'S, UH, I'M JUST SAYING SINCE IT'S R TWO, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, I THINK THE INTERESTING PIECE HERE IS HE IS ONLY ASKING FOR A 10 FOOT WIDE INGRESS EGRESS.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY FUTURE INTENT ON THAT WITH A 10 FOOT EASEMENT.
BUT I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MR. HOUNDS SHELL, AND I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA BE PRESENT TONIGHT, BUT HE'S NOT.
AND IT'S VERY NARROW TOO, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S VERY NARROW.
SO TO DEVELOP IT, YOU'D NEED, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT HAS THE FRONTAGE OR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SPECIFICATIONS MAYBE A SPOT TO PITCH A TENT OR SO, LIKE CANDY.
YEAH, I DID, I DID THINK ABOUT THE CAMPING ISSUES CONSIDERING RIVER BOARDWALKS.
THAT'S BEEN A HOT TOPIC IN THE AREA AND THE RAIL TRAILS SUPPOSED TO GO KIND OF AROUND THERE TOO, RIGHT? SO THAT MAY BE A REASON WHY HE'S WANTING A PIECE OF IT TOO.
I THINK THE RAIL TRAILS ON THE, IS ON THE, IS IT ON IT RUNS THE SOUTH FORK OR THE NORTH.
WHEN I WAS, I WAS WALKING BACK THERE AND PEOPLE WERE TELLING ME THEY WERE EXPECTING IT BACK IN THERE.
BUT, BUT MAYBE THAT IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA DROP OUT THE VF W YES, NORTH FOR THE NORTH FORK.
EVERYBODY'S ON THE SOUTH FORK TOO, COMING THE OTHER WAY.
UM, SO COUNSEL, DO Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS? ARE, WELL, WHAT, WHAT LIABILITY WOULD THE TOWN BE OPEN THEMSELVES UP TO? WELL, I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT SECURITY AND SAFETY BEING ALONG THE RIVER.
UM, UM, IT, IT SEEMS THAT IT WOULD PRESENT, UH, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUES, MONITORING THE USE.
I, I SUPPOSE THE EASEMENT COULD BE FENCED OFF IN SOME FASHION, BUT THEN YOU MIGHT, THEN YOU MIGHT JUST GET TO THE POINT, WELL MAYBE CONVEY SOME LAND, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
UM, BUT THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR LIABILITY.
A PRIVATE OWNER IS NOT GONNA GIVE YOU EASEMENT BECAUSE THAT TAKES AWAY FROM THE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY.
BUT THE, MY QUESTION WOULD BE WAS THAT EVEN MORE LIABILITY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT IS SITTING THERE BASICALLY PEOPLE COULD TRESPASS AND DO SOMETHING THAT PUTS US THAT LIABILITY.
DOES, HOW DOES THE EASEMENT CHANGE THAT LIABILITY GATE ON IT? THERE'S A LOT OF GATE RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S A LOT TO BE GATED THERE.
THERE'S, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRESPASSERS.
I'M NOT SURE OUR LIABILITY, THEY'RE TRESPASS GETTING, GETTING INTO DIFFICULTIES VERSUS, UH, ACCESS VIA, UM, A DEEDED.
RIGHT? AND THEN THAT ACCESS BEING THAT ACCESS RIGHT, BEING, UM, MAY BE VIOLATED.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT AT THIS POINT.
SO THAT THERE COULD BE A LIABILITY WHETHER HE HAS AN EASEMENT OR NOT.
BUT THE LIABILITY, AS MRS SAID, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO ENTER THAT PROPERTY TRESPASSING THAT NOBODY'S GIVEN THEM, THAT'S NOT, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A LIABILITY, BUT I'M SAYING THAT HOW RESPONSIBLE ARE WE IF WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM, OR IF NOBODY GAVE THEM PERMISSION TO BE THERE? UM, UM, NOT.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, NONE TO TRESPASSERS.
IS THERE ANY, IS THERE I'M, GO AHEAD.
I WAS GONNA SAY, IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR REASON WHY, WHY THE TOWN NEEDS THIS LAND? MEAN WE GOT UTILITIES ON, WE GOT STORM, BUT WE GOT STORM.
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SEWER LINES THROUGH THERE, CORRECT? YEAH, WE HAVE SEWER LINES.I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE WATER.
DO WE JUST SEWER DOWN THERE, ROBBIE? YEAH, JUST ARY RUNS THROUGH THERE, THERE.
WELL, I MEAN, UH, IF, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD CONSIDER PURCHASING IT AND THEN THE TOWN WOULD MAINTAIN THE EASEMENT, UH, IS THAT AN OPTION? UH, WHAT DO YOU MEAN PURCHASING? I THINK HE ALREADY OWNS IT.
THE PART, THE PORTION THAT HE WANTS TO USE IT FOR, THE TOWN PURCHASING THE TOWN PORTION AND THEN WE GET AN EASEMENT FOR UTILITIES.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE DR, LOOK AT THE ONE MAP AND THE, THE BLUE PART IS WHERE HE NEEDS THE EASEMENT.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IF, IF DDOT WILL SELL THEM THAT PIECE UNDER THE BRIDGE, I DON'T THINK THEY WILL.
SO NO MATTER WHAT, HE'S STILL GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF EASEMENT ACCESS.
I'M, I'M ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT CONFIDENT VDOT IS NOT GONNA SELL THAT REAL ESTATE UNDER THE BRIDGE.
BUT, SO MY NEXT QUESTION WAS, YOU SAID THAT VDOT HAS, UM, ALLEGEDLY GIVEN OR GRANTED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE AN EASEMENT, HAVE, HAS THE TOWN SEEN THAT? NO.
UH, THE ONLY WORD I'VE HEARD IS FROM MR. HOUNSELL AND SO I HAVE NOT TALKED TO, UM, UH, MR. HOUNSELL SAID HE CALLED, TALKED TO ED CARTER, BUT I HAVE NOT VERIFIED THAT YET.
BECAUSE I JUST WONDER IF IT'S LIKE VDOT SAYS IF THE TOWN GIVES YOU ONE, THEN WE'LL GIVE YOU ONE AND THEN VICE VERSA.
I MEAN, I'M EMPATHETIC ABOUT SOMEBODY HAVING A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEY CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
THAT'S WHY I WAS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW WE DON'T KNOW IT HERE, BUT I JUST WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE BACKGROUND.
LIKE HOW DO YOU END UP WITH, LIKE, HOW DO YOU END UP WITH A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN ACCESS? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE COULD HAVE SUBDIVIDED IT OR ANYTHING.
YEAH, BUT YOU WOULD'VE THOUGHT WHEN THEY WERE DOING THAT BOUNDARY LINE, IS THERE A REASON WHY THERE WAS NO RIGHT OF WAY GIVEN THEY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN CARE OF WHEN THE LOT WAS SUBDIVIDED? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WAS TIED WITH TWO OTHER FIVE ACRE LOTS.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY TIED, TIED TO 50 ACRES ON THE, WHICH IS THE MATERIALS? THERE'S A PLA AND THEN IT WENT TO, YEAH.
IF YOU, AND THEN THAT WAS RE SUBDIVIDED TO WHERE, UH, THE APPLICANT HAD TWO LOTS.
AND THIS, THIS PARCEL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRACKS, FROM WHAT I'VE LOOKED AT, THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN ACCESS RIGHT.
TO CROSS THE TRACKS, RIGHT? I I DIDN'T, NO, I REMEMBER WHEN THE PREVIOUS OWNER HAD IT, HE USED TO GO IN OFF OF, IS THAT QUEENS HIGHWAY? I GUESS IT'S CALLED? YEAH.
AND SO THE APPLICANT NO LONGER HAS THE TWO RELATED LOTS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE TRACKS LEAVING YEAH.
THIS, HOWEVER YOU WANNA DESCRIBE IT, THIS PARCEL, I GUESS THERE WASN'T A LOT OF PLANNING THEN THINKING ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE YOU WOULD'VE THOUGHT, YOU WOULD'VE SAID LIKE BEFORE YOU GAVE UP YOUR ACCESS TO THAT YOU'D HAVE THOUGHT, WELL, I BETTER KEEP ALL THIS TOGETHER.
NORMALLY IT'S DECIDED WHEN YOU SELL THE LOG, IT'S LIKE, OOPS, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M NOT GONNA HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY TO THIS PROPERTY ANYMORE.
IT'S PRETTY COMMON, ESPECIALLY IN OUR RURAL AREA.
I MEAN, THE PROPERTY THAT I JUST BOUGHT, I HAVE TO GET AN EASEMENT FOR A DRIVEWAY IN WARREN COUNTY.
BUT BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENTS HAPPEN OFTEN.
THERE'S BEEN DIFFERENT PLANS FOR THIS RIVERFRONT PROPERTY ALL THE WAY DOWN ALONG THAT RIVER FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE.
I MEAN, AND I'M JUST CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, IF I'M CONCERNED ABOUT LIABILITY, I'M CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, IF THEY LEAVE THE, IF WE GIVE THEM THE EASEMENT AND FOR SOME REASON THEY DON'T LOCK THAT GATE BACK THIS DAY AND TIME, YOU GOTTA WORRY ABOUT VANDALS UNDER THE BRIDGE.
YOU'VE GOTTA WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE GETTING INTO THE HOUSES ON DUCK STREET FROM BACK IN THERE.
IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME AND STAY.
SO WE'RE GIVING 'EM ACCESS TO YEP.
SO CAN YOU BREAK IT UP AND SELL TO 10 FEET? YOU KNOW, IT'D BE LIKE, IT'D BE VACATING, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
I'M SORRY, BUT I DON'T, WHAT'S THE QUESTION? CAN YOU BREAK, CAN YOU BREAK UP THE PROPERTY AND, AND SELL THE FEET SO THAT IT'S HIS AND HIS RESPONSIBILITY.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY CHANGES THE CONCERN.
CONCERN, AS JOAN POINTED OUT, WHICH I, WELL, I DIDN'T INCLUDE IN MY INITIAL RESPONSE.
SAY VDOT VDOT IS NOT GONNA DE THEY'RE NOT GONNA SELL.
BUT THAT'S A CONVERSATION BETWEEN HIM AND VDOT AT THAT POINT, RIGHT? THE TOWN'S GIVEN ACCESS FOR OUR PORTION AND THE VDO T'S OFFERING AND EASEMENT, THAT'S BETWEEN HIM AND VDOT.
THIS, THE QUESTION IS TO SELL IT.
THE TOWNS PORTION, RIGHT? THE 10 FEET, NOT THE WHOLE THING.
THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO ME.
I THINK THAT THAT, THAT IT MAKES SOME SENSE.
BUT HERE AGAIN, WE, YOU'VE GOTTA SEE, AND I'M SURE ROBBIE CAN PROBABLY TELL US, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S THAT SEWER LINE RUNNING THROUGH THAT, THROUGH THE PARCEL THAT WE HAVE? IS IT IN THE MIDDLE? IS IT ON THE SIDE? BUT
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THEN THE TOWN WOULD HAVE AN EASEMENT FOR OUR NO.BUT IF, IF HE GOES TO TRY TO BUILD A ROAD OR SOMETHING, OR IS, IS IT GONNA MESS UP OUR SEWER LINES? WOULDN'T BE, HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, ACCORDING TO THE SURVEY, WHICH IN HIS LETTER HE SAYS HE'S WILLING TO PAY FOR THE SURVEY.
MR. WALTZ, SO THE STAFF THAT SHARED CONCERNS, OR CAN WE ASSUME THAT IT'S PUBLIC WORKS OR IS THERE OTHER STAFF? I'M JUST ASKING.
I WAS GONNA SAY, UM, I DIDN'T WANNA PUT ROBBIE ON THE SPOT, BUT DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO ANY OF THIS YOURSELF OR NO, IT DOESN'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
I'LL STAND ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL STAFF DIDN'T HAVE ANY, UH, ANY ISSUES WITH THE ACTUAL INGRESS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HEARD FROM STAFF AND I, I LATCHED ONTO IT.
COUNCIL CAN DO, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY CAN, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR ME IS AT THIS POINT JUST SAY NO.
DOES AND, AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS? 'CAUSE I'M ASSUMING, UNLESS WE WANT TO POSTPONE THIS TO GET MORE INFORMATION OR TO SEE WHAT V DOT'S GONNA DO, SHOULD WE, I GUESS RIGHT NOW WHAT'S COUNSEL'S PLEASURE? DO WE WANNA PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO VOTE ON NOVEMBER 27TH? DO WE WANNA WAIT TO GET MORE INFORMATION? WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT THE APPLICANT NOT BEING HERE? CAN WE, WELL, THEY COULD HAVE HAD A EMERGENCY.
MR. HEL SAID HE WAS GONNA BE HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
I NEVER HEARD FROM THIS THAT, YEAH, I MEAN, I'M NOT, YEAH, I HAVE STUFF POP UP ALL THE, I WAS HOPING PROOF, SO, COOL.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO DELAY THIS FROM THE REGULAR MEETING, UM, FOR FURTHER INFORMATION FOR ANOTHER WORK SESSION.
AND I APOLOGIZE ON, UM, YOU KNOW, MY IGNORANCE ON THIS, BUT ALSO I, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH ED ON THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE AND UM, I UNFORTUNATELY UNDER FORMER TOWN MANAGEMENT HAD TO WORK WITH VDOT ON SOMETHING KIND OF SIMILAR ON A DIFFERENT PROPERTY, ON A DIFFERENT PORTION OF THE RIVER AND GO DO SOME INVESTIGATING MYSELF.
I HAVE DRIVEN BY THERE AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, BUT I'D LIKE TO GO BACK DOWN THERE AGAIN ONE MORE TIME AS WELL BEFORE I VOTE ON IT PERSONALLY.
SO WE'LL GIVE IT POSTPONE UNTIL THE NEXT SESSION.
AND I ALSO WANT FURTHER CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHERE THE UTILITIES ARE.
BUT YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, NO OFFENSE, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT TOO QUICK, BUT, BUT MAYBE THAT, MAYBE YOU ALL ARE RIGHT ABOUT THIS.
THAT MAYBE, MAYBE THIS IS A, NOT A EITHER OR, BUT A BUT HE COULD, IF WE DO, WILL THEY, YOU KNOW, HE COULD EXPLORE DOWN, DOWN FURTHER, UH, GOING WEST ON DUCK.
WAS IT IN THERE CROSSING JUST PAST, UM, JUST PAST VDOT AND WEST DUCK STREET TO GET OVER TO THE RIVER? I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GET OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
I THINK THERE'S A CROSSING DOWN IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
AND WE ALL KNOW HOW I HAVE TO GO LOOK, Y ALL KNOW HOW EASY IT IS.
GET ACROSS TO
THINK ABOUT WHAT ELSE WE'RE CONSTANTLY TALKING ABOUT OUT ON HAPPY CREEK ROAD.
BUT I AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY TELL US THAT'S WE BEFORE WE MAKE ANY KIND OF DECISION, THAT ONE'S ABANDONED, ISN'T IT? OKAY.
SO THAT'LL GO ON FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
UM, WELL, I, HERE'S THE THING IS WE WOULD, BEFORE WE WOULD PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION, WE'D NEED TO SEE DO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, RIGHT? OKAY.
BECAUSE SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SAY FOR SURE IT'LL BE ON THE DECEMBER WORK SESSION, BECAUSE IF, YOU KNOW, IF, I MEAN THAT'S REALLY ONLY WHAT, THREE WEEKS AWAY.
AND, AND THEY MAY NOT, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAN WHAT WE HAVE TONIGHT, I DON'T NOW IT COULD BE THAT AFTER A MONTH OR WE SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND LET'S JUST GO AHEAD.
BUT THERE ISN'T, IS THERE A, UM, ARE WE BOUND BY ANY TIME TO VOTE ON THIS ONE? IT'S NOT LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WHERE WE NO, THIS ONE'S NOT.
SO WHEN WE DO, WE DO SEND OVER NOT NO, NO TIME CONSTRAIN.
NO, I MEAN THE APPLICANT, UH, SENT THE LETTER ON AUGUST 23RD, BUT I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH HIM EVER SINCE THEN, SO.
WELL I KNOW THAT HE WAS THERE, HE WAS THERE AT THE AUGUST ONE, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION SAID YEAH, HE SAID THAT.
SO I, I'D LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL STAFF TO BE AT THE NEXT SESSION FOR WHAT? WELL, WELL, TO EXPAND, TO EXPAND ON NOT OKAY.
I THINK FROM THE REASONING BEHIND IT.
UM, BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT NOW APPLICANTS DON'T SPEAK AT THE WORK SESSION, BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE STAFF THERE, LIKE WE, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASKED EARLIER, LIKE, HOW DO YOU GET YOURSELF IN THIS POSITION?
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I'D LIKE FOR THEM TO BE HERE FOR THAT AS WELL.LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN ASK HIM THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A PERSONAL THING WITH HIM.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THEY'RE ASKING FOR US TO CONSIDER IN THE SAME RESPECT.
I, I, I THINK THAT IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR WANNA SEE THE UTILITIES THAT THEY COULD JUST FOLLOW SUIT.
UH, PERHAPS WE COULD GO TO AT A TIME WITH STAFF TO SEE IT.
BUT I DON'T, I PERSONALLY DON'T, UNLESS STAFF IS EAGER AND WANTS TO COME EXPLAIN THEIR REASON FOR DENIAL, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A FAIR POSITION TO PUT THEM IN.
WELL, NO, I THINK, UH, I MEAN THEY'VE ALREADY EXPRESSED IT TO THE TOWN MANAGER.
I MEAN, I, IF YOU GO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY WITH THE STAFF, LIKE AS COUNSEL, THAT'S ONE THING.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
UM, BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH HAVING THEM PUBLICLY SPEAK TO THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON DENIAL WHEN THEY'RE THE EXPERTISE IN THAT AREA.
WELL, I, I, I MEAN, DON'T GET WHERE I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T WANNA PULL, I MEAN, TO ME, IF, IF THEIR SUPERVISOR IS GONNA BACK HIS EMPLOYEE AND SAYS, THIS IS WHAT MY PEOPLE SAY, THEN WE NEED TO TAKE COURT.
WELL, FURTHERMORE, I THINK IT OPENS US UP TO LIABILITIES IN THE REGARD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION AROUND AND AROUND WITH VACATIONS, WHICH WE'VE SEEN A LOT IN THE PAST.
UM, AND THE USE OF PUBLIC LAND AND GIVING RIGHTS TO THAT PUBLIC LAND OKAY.
AND HOW THAT CAN GO FOR FUTURE COUNCILS.
'CAUSE ANY DECISIONS WE MAKE ON THIS COUNCIL CAN BE OVERTURNED BY FUTURE COUNCILS.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE ON COUNCIL IN TWO YEARS ARE ALL OF OUR, UM, DIRECTORS REMAIN THE SAME AND HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THE INDUSTRY.
AND SO I THINK MAYBE JUST LIKE BOOTS ON THE GROUND SAYING IT WITH THEM AND GOING OVER IT IS ONE THING.
BUT I DON'T, WE, YOU AND I HAVE BEEN IN THIS POSITION BEFORE WHERE WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE AND WE HAVE STAFF HERE, AND IT TURNS INTO A DEBATE OR, UM, EMOTIONAL AND IT'S INFLAMED AND UNCOMFORTABLE, AND IT'S ALSO A LATE NIGHT AS IT IS FOR COUNSEL INSTEAD OF ASKS STAFF TO COME BACK TO PRESENT THEIR ARGUMENT.
UM, JUST MAKES ME A BIT UNCOMFORTABLE.
WELL, I, I GUESS, UH, YOU KNOW, IF STAFF'S, UH, UH, IS CALLING FOR DENIAL, UH, I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT I NEED IS WHERE VDOT IS WITH THIS.
AND, UM, AND THEN I CAN MAKE A DECISION.
OKAY? AND, AND AS FAR AS VDOT GOES, LIKE WE DON'T REALLY, WE, WE DON'T, WE, IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIND OUT ABOUT VDOT.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T DO WHAT VDOT DOES.
I'M SAYING, I'M JUST EXPRESSING MY NO, NO, I, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN DEMAND THAT THEY GIVE US THEIR INPUT.
I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WOULD BE, THE APPLICANT COULD FIND OUT FROM VDO WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND SHARE WITH US.
HE NEEDS TO SHARE WITH, BUT UNTIL WE FIND, UNTIL WE DO GET THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, THERE'S NO POINT IN PUTTING THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA.
I YEAH, I, LIKE I SAID, I THOUGHT MR. HEL WAS GONNA BE HERE.
THERE'S SOME INFORMATION THAT I JUST CAN'T DISCLOSE UNLESS HE OKAY, GOTCHA.
UM, BUT I CAN REACH OUT TO ED CARTER, UM, AND WE CAN BRING THIS BACK.
THE THING THAT COUNSEL NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT TOO IS IF WE DO WANNA GO DOWN THAT ROAD WITH AN INGRESS EGRESS, AND WE'LL HAVE TO GIVE GEORGE SOME DIRECTIONAL WHAT KIND OF, WHAT KIND OF EASEMENTS YOU WANT ON THAT AS WELL.
SO WE WILL WAIT TO PUT ON AN AGENDA TILL WE HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM VOS OR FROM THE APPLICANT.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE RIGHT NOW, UH, WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEED.
BECAUSE EVEN IF VDOT WERE HERE TONIGHT AND SAID, YES, WE'RE APPROVING AN EASEMENT, IT WOULDN'T MAKE ME WANNA SAY, OKAY, THEN I WANNA VOTE TO APPROVE THIS EASEMENT.
JUST 'CAUSE VDOT, VDOT DOES A LOT OF STUPID STUFF, IN MY OPINION.
AND I'VE NEVER BEEN SHY AWAY FROM THAT.
WELL, WE'VE A, I MEAN, VDOT IS A STATE AGENCY, WHEREAS WE'RE HERE WITH OUR CITIZENS, SO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST RESOLUTIONS OF OUR CITIZENS.
SO WE'VE GOT A DIFFERENT KIND OF INVESTMENT.
WE'VE NOW HAD THIS ON OUR AGENDA TWICE, SO WE WON'T, SORRY.
NO, WE WON'T BRING IT BACK UNTIL WE, UNTIL WE'VE GOT MORE INFORMATION.
UM, NUMBER FOUR, THE, UM, SO THE THREE ITEMS THAT ARE, UM, ON THE CONSENT SLATED FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA ON NOVEMBER 27TH.
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BUT I'M GONNA LET YOU COME ON UP.
NOT WELL, OTHERWISE, THIS VEHICLE WILL BE OVER WITH SUPER QUICK.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR MONEY THIS TIME,
AND I HAVE TO SAY IN READING THROUGH THAT, THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD STUFF ON THERE.
LIKE IT IS PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENT, HAS VISIBILITY, SIGNAL BACK PLATES, FLASHING YELLOW AIRS.
I, I, I WAS, UM, I WAS, UH, I, I I LIKE, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I COULD TOTALLY SEE REALLY BENEFITING US.
SO, AND THERE'S NO MATCHING FUNDS TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, SO.
WE'VE, UH, SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION WITH KIMLEY HORN ALREADY.
UM, IT'LL GIVE US BETTER POINTS IF Y'ALL HELP US WITH THE SIGNING OF RESOLUTION.
SO, YOU KNOW, OVER A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
WOULD, WE WOULD GET WITHOUT ANY MATCH.
IT'D BE A WIN-WIN ANY CHANCE ON WHAT, WHAT ANY CHANCE ON WAGERING? LIKE I KNOW THE RESOLUTION WOULD HELP US, BUT DO YOU THINK WE DO, IS IT BASED LIKE OTHER LOCALITIES AND OURS, OUR GRANT APPLICATION GOES IN WITH ANYBODY ELSE'S? YES.
AND IS IT ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THE MORE ACCIDENTS AND ALL THAT STUFF MAKES YOU MORE, MAKES YOU SCORE BETTER? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
WE'VE HAD SOME ROUGH CALLS ON SOME OF THESE PLACES, BUT COUNSEL, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS OR ANY OPPOSITION TO PASSING A RESOLUTION ABOUT THIS? I THINK WE SHOULD PASS THE RESOLUTION AND THANK HIM AND HIS SHOP FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE AND, AND THANK OUR PURCHASING PEOPLE, WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO KIND AND GET THIS YES.
ANYBODY? NO, I JUST THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESOLUTION, THERE'S TWO AREAS IN THERE THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, PRIORITY SINCE, GOSH, I KNOW AT LEAST THREE IF NOT FOUR COUNCILS BEFORE MY TIME.
AND THEY'VE DONE A LOT TO IMPROVE THOSE.
BUT IT JUST GOES TO SPEAK TO HOW MUCH ISSUES WE STILL HAVE WITH THOSE.
UM, AND THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE CURB RAMPS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, ISN'T SUPER IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE ESPECIALLY FOR, UM, ADA AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE HAVE SOME PRETTY RANDOM SPOTS TO GET ON AND OFF THE SIDEWALK.
YOU TALKING, YOU'D BE SURPRISED THAT THE PEOPLE YOU SEE, UH, WELL, YOU LIVE CLOSE TO IT TOO ON, ON COMMERCE AVENUE THAT ARE IN THE ELECTRIC WHEELCHAIRS AND, AND THEY, I MEAN, THEY NEED THE RAMPS AND, AND THEY GO ALL THE WAY UP TO ROYAL KING AND TO MARTIN'S WITH THEM.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OPPOSITION TO WHATEVER AND I THINK THE MORE SIGNINGS WE CAN GET, THE BETTER OFF WE AT ANYTIME VIDA'S GONNA OFFER US MONEY WE NEED TO TAKE.
NOVEMBER 27TH, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT.
UH, NEXT UP IS THE AGREEMENT FOR LEASE AND MAINTENANCE OF A NEW IBM POWERED SYSTEM.
I'M, I'M, OKAY, THAT'S MICHELLE.
I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS GONNA BE YOU OR CHARLES 'CAUSE CHARLES WAS ON THE LETTER.
IT COULD
SO, UM, COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO APPROVE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN S SEVEN, WHICH IS FOR IBM, RIGHT.
FOR THE, THE LEASE AND MAINTENANCE OF A NEW POWER 10 SYSTEM SERVER, WHICH IS FOR OUR BI BAI MUNICIPAL SOFTWARE.
UM, SO THAT WE CAN COLLECT OUR TAXES.
SO THE CURRENT ONE IS GOING TO, IT'S NOT GONNA BE SUPPORTED ANYMORE AFTER MAY, NEXT MAY.
SO THIS IS TO, TO LEASE FOR THREE YEARS FOR A NEW ONE.
SO WILL WE GET IT IN BEFORE WE START SENDING OUT TAXES NEXT YEAR? IT WOULD, UH, INSTALLATION WOULD BE SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER, UH, PRETTY MUCH THE WEEK END OF DECEMBER, THE WEEK BEFORE NEW YEAR'S AND AFTER CHRISTMAS, RIGHT IN THAT TIMEFRAME.
SO IT HITS THE SWEET SPOT WHERE WE'RE NINE.
SO WHEN YOU SAY THIS RUNS OUT IN MAY, I IMMEDIATELY WAS THINKING DECEMBER 30TH, MAY, JUNE IS WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR TAXES.
SO THEN THE NEW ONE WOULD BE INSTALLED BEFORE, UH, WE BILL OUR TAXES, CORRECT? CORRECT.
BUT IT WOULD BE BETWEEN OUR CYCLES, UH, WHICH, WHICH HITS PERFECTLY AND THANK CHARLES FOR TRYING TO GET THAT SCHEDULE
AND THIS WAS, UM, THE, UH, WHAT'S THE THING CALLED WHEN WE ARE TAGGING OFF OF SOMEBODY ELSE? OH, COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING CONTRACT.
THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT WAS THE, UM, BECAUSE IT CAME FROM FAIRFAX, YOU KNOW, AND THERE THEY RUN THEIR GOVERNMENT A
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LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY.DID YOU LOOK, WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE LIKE WHO THEY BID TO AND STUFF? ARE YOU, I I DON'T NEED TO SEE IT, BUT I WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE LIKE, UH, IT WHO THEY USED? WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHO THEY USED? SO IT ONLY SHOWED WHAT, WHO GOT THE CONTRACT AS FAR AS I KNOW.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN SEE THEIR BIDDING DOCUMENTS IF WE LIKE, WE USUALLY DON'T LOOK AT IT USUALLY WHEN FAIRFAX, UH, DOES SOMETHING.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH LIKE A STATE CONTRACT.
UM, SO I DO FEEL COMFORTABLE FROM IF COMING FROM FAIRFAX THAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH, UH, THEY, THEY REALLY DOT THEIR I'S AND CROSSED THEIR T'S WHEN IT COMES TO PROCUREMENT.
THEY SET THE, THEY KIND OF SET THE STANDARD MORE OR LESS.
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION THOUGH.
THEY GOT A LOT MORE MONEY TO SPEND THE NIGHT.
SO A VALID TOWN OF FRONT WORLD CREDIT CARD IS AN ACCEPTABLE FORM OF PAYMENT.
THEY MEAN THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA PAY THEM.
NO, WE COULD, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, NO.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT PAYING THE CREDIT CARD AND OUR CITIZENS ARE, THAT'S HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BILLING.
YEAH, YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
I I, UNLESS DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE CAN PUT THAT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST EVEN EASIER IS THREE APPOINTMENT TO THE FRONT ROW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, UM, MR. NOVAK'S TERM, BUT SO CRAZY.
I THINK
JUST A REMINDER FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T AWARE.
SO OUR FREEDOM BOARD HAS STAGGERED TERMS AND SO DEPENDING ON WHO GOT A POINT OF WHEN THEY EITHER HAD A FOUR YEAR OR TWO YEAR OR, UM, AND SO, AND MR. NOVAK HAS ACTUALLY SERVED AS THE CHAIRMAN AND IT'S BEEN A, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A ROCKY PATH THE LAST FEW YEARS.
AND THE FACT THAT HE'S WILLING TO STICK IT OUT WITH US AND, AND HOPEFULLY START TO MAKE PROGRESS, I THINK IS, UM, I, I THINK HE HAS STABILITY FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS BOARD.
MR. WAL, DID YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? NO, UH, THE ONLY THING I WANNA ADD IS RICK IS STILL CURRENT CHAIRMAN OF THE FREEDOM BOARD AND I DID TALK, WE HAD OUR BOARD MEETING MONDAY LAST WEEK AND I TALKED TO HIM ON TUESDAY AND HE SAID HE WAS GOOD TO GO.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD AND READY TO GET BACK TO BUSINESS.
HEARD ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT DON'T KNOW? UM, MR. NOVAK WAS A PART OF THE HUGE SUCCESS IN THE CORRIDOR WITH THE FORMER FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY EDA IN THE NINETIES.
UM, PRIOR TO, PRIOR TO ANY TROUBLE.
UH, THAT'S WHY I SAID THE VERY SUCCESSFUL PART OF THAT EDA.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, MOST OF US THAT ARE FROM HERE CAN REMEMBER BEFORE WE HAD A RIVERTON COMMONS OR ANY OF THAT, IT WAS ALL WOOD.
SO IT'S PRETTY COOL TO HAVE HIM SERVE ON THE FRIDA BOARD AND I'M EXCITED THAT HE'S WILLING TO SIGN UP AGAIN.
'CAUSE I KNOW HE'S BEEN FRUSTRATED, BUT I THINK HIS LEADERSHIP WITH THE WHAT WILL MAKE A FULL BOARD AFTER HIS REAPPOINTMENT, UM, I KNOW I TALKED TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO WATCHED OR READ ABOUT THE FREEDOM MEETING AND I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, GREAT TIMING TO LET THEM, LET THEM OUT STABLES AND GET GOING ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT WITH MR. NOVAK? SO THAT WOULD BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR NOVEMBER 27TH, JUST SPEAKING OF NOVEMBER 27TH.
SO THERE'S ONLY THREE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND I KNOW WE MET LAST WEEK AND IT WASN'T A TON OF STUFF ON THAT.
27 SHOULD, SHOULD ACTUALLY BE A PRETTY DON'T SAY THAT.
IT CAN'T GET ON THERE IF WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT HERE.
WE'LL HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING TOMORROW.
UM, NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT IS FOR THE 27TH IS, UM, NO, NO, IT'S NOT.
WE ALREADY TOOK ACTION ON IT LAST WEEK.
I'M STILL WAITING FOR WAITING TO HEAR BACK.
I BELIEVE THE COUNTY MEETS TOMORROW NIGHT.
UM, SO MAYBE WE WILL GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM AFTER THAT.
I WON'T SAY IT, BUT
UM, YEAH, AND I, I DIDN'T HAVE A
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CHANCE TO SAY THIS, BUT, UM, BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I JUST WANTED TO, UM, THANK MR UH, ROGERS, COUNCILMAN ROGERS FOR HIS TIME, SERVED ON COUNCIL, AND, UM, HE IS, WAS APPOINTED.HE'S BEEN HERE FOR OVER A YEAR AND IT'S BEEN A PART OF, OF SOME MAJOR DECISIONS WE'VE MADE, AND I APPRECIATE HIS TIME SERVED.
I THINK WE ALL KNOW THOSE OF US SITTING IN THESE SEATS THAT, UH, IT IS A, UM, IT'S A LOT MORE WORK THAN WHAT PEOPLE THINK.
THERE'S A LOT OF PREP WORK, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE HAVE TO DO BEHIND THE SCENES.
AND ANYTIME SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO SERVE, UM, WE, UH, UM, THE CITIZEN SHOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR THE, FOR, FOR THOSE THAT ARE, THEY'RE WILLING TO, UH, TO, TO DO THAT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, ANYBODY, UH, WE'RE READY TO GO INTO CLOSE UNLESS THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THE LIST, RIGHT? SO SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSE RIGHT, MS. PRESLEY.
MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE IN A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 2 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE.
ONE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A SEVEN OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND BRIEFINGS BY STAFF MEMBERS OR CONSULTANTS PERTAINING TO ACTUAL OR PROBABLE LITIGATION OR SUCH CONSULTATION OR BRIEFING AND OPEN MEETING, WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEGOTIATING OR LITIGATING POSTURE OF THE PUBLIC BODY MORE SPECIFICALLY TO OF FRONT ROYAL V.
FRONT ROYAL LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, OR A SECOND.
MR. PRESSLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? COUNCILMAN D DEMON? MONICA PAYNE? YES.
COUNCILMAN ROGERS IS ABSENT VICE MAYOR OCK? YES.