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TELL ME WHEN WE'RE LYING.[Planning and Zoning Work Session on November 1, 2023.]
ALRIGHT, WE'LL CALL ORDER THIS WORK SESSION OF THE FRONT ROW PLANNING COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER THE FIRST, 2023.WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
WE HAVE TWO ITEMS. UM, SEEING TWO ITEMS FROM LAST MONTH.
UH, WE'LL GET STARTED WITH, UH, PERMIT 2 3 0 0 6 0 9 FOR THE ORDINANCE TEXT AMENDMENT REQUEST, UH, SUBMITTED BY MAGDALENE CAPITAL LLLP TO AMEND THE CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCES.
IS THERE NEW INFORMATION? YEP.
SO THE ONLY UPDATE WITH THIS IS THAT, UM, I SPOKE WITH SUMMIT, WHO IS WORKING ON OUR ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE, AND JUST WANTED TO RUN THESE PROPOSED CHANGES BY THEM.
AND I PRINTED A COPY OF THE EMAIL.
SO THEY THINK THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
THEY SAID THAT, UM, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE BOLD INTENT OF THE COMP PLAN, ESPECIALLY THE CREATION OF NEW AND MORE ATTAINABLE HOUSING OPTIONS.
I THINK IT'S GOOD BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY SMALL PORTION OF PARCELS IN TOWN THAT I THINK CAN EVEN BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS TYPE OF ZONING AND THIS TYPE OF ZONING, UM, GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MILLER, OUR TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE DESIGN ELEMENTS, WHICH I MEAN, HELP GIVE US THAT CHARACTER AND THE, UM, UH, THAT, THAT GOAL OF THE COMP PLAN WHERE IT SAYS INCREASE THE, THE CHARM AND HISTORIC NATURE.
THAT'S WHY WE WANT THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS, MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY ASKED THIS BEFORE, BUT, SO MR. MAGDALENE OR WHATEVER NAME GOT THE LETTER HERE, SIGNATURE.
WHO IS IT? WHO SCIENTIST REQUEST? ALEX, ALEX, ALEX, STEVE AND SCOTT LLOYD, OUR BAG AND CAPITAL.
AND THEY WANT TO BUILD THIS DEVELOPMENT ON TWO ACRES.
SO WHY DO THEY WANT TO CHANGE THINGS TO TWO ACRES? TO JUST MAKE, UM, THESE PARCELS THAT ARE IN LIKE ALL, A LOT OF OUR PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, UM, TO JUST BE MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR THIS TYPE OF REDEVELOPMENT.
SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING CAN'T BE DONE IN ANY OTHER ZONE EXCEPT FOR PDD.
AND SO THE P AND D ZONE ALLOWS US TO KIND OF MIX USES AND TO KIND OF HAVE, UM, JUST LIKE DIFFERENT OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
IT ALLOWS US TO, FOR THEM TO LIKE PROPER IN PARKS AND DIFFERENT AMENITIES, BUT THE OTHER ZONES DON'T ALLOW, AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY COULDN'T GET AN SUP TO GET NO, AP THE ONLY WAY TO GET PMPS, IT'S ZONED.
SO, UM, SO IT'S NOT, SO, BECAUSE I GOT TO THINKING, OKAY, I CAN SEE THEY WANNA DO THIS THEMSELVES.
BUT WHY DID THEY WANNA DO IT FOR THE UNIVERSE? THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY IT'S NECESSARY TO DO IT FOR THE WHOLE UNIVERSE.
AND IT'S, AND THE ANSWER IS BECAUSE THEY, IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, THAT THEY CANNOT DO IT FOR THEMSELVES WITHOUT DOING IT WITH AN ORGAN CHANGE FOR THE WHOLE UNIVERSE.
I THINK OUR RE OUR REQUIREMENT NOW IN THE ZONING IS 20 ACRES.
THEY'D HAVE A MINIMUM OF 20, RIGHT? SO THIS PARCEL IS UNDER THAT.
SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE REDUCTION FROM 20.
SO THEY CANNOT DO IT UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING WITH THE ACREAGE REQUIREMENT.
AND SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR TWO ACRES TO BE AP AND D? NO, THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE OR, SO THIS IS JUST THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
ANY PARCEL IN TOWN THAT WOULD BE TWO ACRES OR LARGER POTENTIALLY FOR THAT PROPERTY OWNER TO SUBMIT A REZONING APPLICATION AND FOR THIS BOARD AND COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S APPROPRIATE IN THAT AREA.
SO HOW MANY CURRENTLY VACANT? TWO ACRE OR MORE? LOTS.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE TWO ACRE, BUT I THINK
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JOHN RESEARCHED 20 ACRE.HOW MANY, HOW MANY CURRENTLY VACANT? 20 ACRE LOTS? UH, VACANT? UH, I THINK APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 1220 ACRE LOTS.
UH, I MEAN, I INCLUDED THE, UH, PARCEL.
THERE'S 16 TOTAL, BUT, UH, WE ZOOM OUT.
MAJORITY OF THEM ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HAPPY CREEK.
UH, AND I INCLUDED THESE PARCELS IN THE 16.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU MET, UH, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
THAT ONLY HAS ONE STRUCTURE ON IT.
THEN YOU HAVE A, A, A PARCEL HERE, UH, THAT'S FARMLAND.
UH, BUT THEY DO HAVE AN A STRUCTURE OR A DWELLING ON THEM IF YOU INCLUDE THOSE IN A COUPLE MORE THROUGH TOWN.
WE HAVE, UH, A BASICALLY 16 MAJORITY OF THEM ARE IN THIS SECTION HERE, UH, BASICALLY COMPROMISING ABOUT 950 ACRES THERE.
UH, THOSE ARE LARGER TRACKS, OVER 20 ACRES OR MORE.
THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE.
YOU ALSO HAVE A PARCEL HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT DOES HAVE A STRUCTURE ON IT.
THAT'S WHAT STRUCTURE IS THAT? 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T GOT MY DISTANCE CLASSES ON
UH, THAT'S CURRENTLY OWNED, I BELIEVE BY THE, IN THE EDA.
SO YOU HAVE A 41 ACRE PIECE THERE.
THAT IS THE, UH, UH, MCDONALD FARM OR MCDONALD PARCEL, I BELIEVE.
UH, THOSE FOR THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE, UH, THE OTHER ONES A FEW SCATTERED OUT ON FOX DRIVE.
THEN THE OTHER ONES ARE ACROSS THE RIVER AND THESE SECTIONS HERE, AND MAJORITY OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE IN THE FLOODPLAINS.
SO IF YOU TURN THE FLOOD ZONE LAYER ON, UH, LET'S SEE HERE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT TAKES AWAY MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY.
WELL, YOU CAN DEVELOP IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A TIGHTER RESTRICTION TO DO ANYTHING.
UH, SO THE LIGHT BLUE IS WHAT'S BUILDABLE NO.
AND YOU CAN BUILD IN THE FLOODPLAIN, YOU JUST HAVE TO GO UP WHERE THERE'S YEAH.
AND MORE RESTRICTIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO MORE UNLIKELY ONES, UH, COSTS.
THOSE ARE BIG, BIG, BIG ACRES.
WE HAVE ABOUT, GIVE OR TAKE 16, UH, TRACKS LIKE THAT IN TOWN, OVER 20 ACRES ZONED EITHER AGRICULTURAL OR ONE OF THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
I DIDN'T INCLUDE THE INDUSTRIAL SECTIONS IN TOWN.
UM, SO ZONED AGRICULTURAL OR MIXED USE, YOU SAID? WELL, WITH EITHER ONE OF THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, EITHER RE OR RS OR R ONE A OR R ONE.
THAT'S ALL WE CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT 16 TRACKS.
AND SO THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE DONE.
SO WILL ALL THOSE NOW BE EL WITH THE PASSAGE OF THIS? WILL ALL OF THOSE NOW BE ELIGIBLE TO BE BROKEN UP INTO TWO ACRE P AND D? THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE TWO ACRES.
THAT'S JUST THE MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT.
THEY COULD BE THREE ACRES, 10 ACRES.
IT COULD BE, THEY JUST HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO.
BUT WHAT P AND D ALLOWS YOU TO CREATE ARE COMMUNITIES LIKE, LIKE I KNOW WATER OUT LIKE FREDERICK OUT THERE.
SO IT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IT ALLOWS YOU TO POTENTIALLY PUT A DAYCARE IN A CHURCH AND RIGHT.
WHICH IS A GREAT CONCEPT COMMUNITY AREA THAT YOU CAN'T DO.
NO, AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE THING WE SAW FROM MAGDALENE LAST TIME WAS LOVELY.
UM, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I, I WANNA THINK IT THROUGH AND PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE BECAUSE I WANNA THINK THROUGH WHERE THIS COULD GO.
UM, UH, I MEAN, AND, AND HELP ME THINK IT THROUGH GUYS.
I MEAN, WHERE, WHAT COULD BE A LONG, LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES DOING THIS? WELL, SO AGAIN, THE COMP PLAN, ONE OF THE GOALS IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
RIGHT? THIS ALLOWS US TO IN INCREASE DENSITY AND MAKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVISIONS IN THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
LIKE THIS, THIS GOOD FLEXIBILITY.
AND SO MY THOUGHT WAS ANY AREA WHERE WE'RE CALLING IT OUT FOR SOME TYPE OF LIKE EXCUSE OR NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL MM-HMM.
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THE P AND D CURRENT P AND D ZONE COULD BE APPROPRIATE.SO ALONG THE RIVER WE COULD HAVE P AND DS WITH MULTI-STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU TO PUT SOMETHING RIGHT DOWN ON THE RIVER AND THAT CAN FLOODPLAIN, I THINK IS GONNA BE COST PROHIBITIVE, RIGHT.
BECAUSE THAT THOSE ARE FEDERAL STANDARDS.
THAT'S, THAT'S FEMA ELIMINATE.
I MEAN, UH, POTENTIALLY I GUESS.
AND THE GROUND'S GOTTA BE ABLE TO HOLD.
UM, PROBABLY THE REASON IT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED.
NO, GREAT, GREAT
I WAS, I WAS JUST BEING HYPOTHETICAL THERE.
SO WHERE ELSE IN TOWN COULD WE HAVE TWO ACRE APARTMENT COMPLEXES? UM, WELL, FOR THE P AND D.
MAJORITY OF THESE ARE ABOVE HAPPY CREEK ROAD THERE.
UH, SO THOSE PARCELS WE DISCUSSED HERE PREVIOUSLY, UH, THESE WEST CONNECTOR AND ALL THAT, THOSE, THOSE ARE LARGE PARCELS.
THEN WE HAVE, AGAIN, THE ONES WE POINTED OUT HERE NEXT TO OR ADJACENT IN THE PROXIMITY OF THE ONE WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW.
UM, THOSE ARE, AND YOU DO HAVE, UH, LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS TO SCROLL A LITTLE BIT.
YOU DO HAVE, UM, A COUPLE PRIVATE TRACKS.
UH, AND THEY'RE PROBABLY DESIGNED THAT WAY HERE AT THE END OF FOX DRIVE IN OLD BELMONT, YOU HAVE A TRACK HERE AND A RESIDENTIAL TRACK HERE THAT'S OVER 20 ACRES.
AND THERE'S PROBABLY, THEY SERVED BY WATER AND SERVED BY SERVE.
I'M NOT SURE ONCE YOU GET OUT THERE WHERE, UH, THERE'S A CUTOFF ON THAT ON OLD BELMONT ROAD.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S THE PARK BOUNDARY HERE, SO THAT'S RIGHT.
PROBABLY A REASON DRIVING OUT THERE, WE WERE LOOKING, AND NOT ALL OF IT'S SERVICE, BUT WATER AND SEWER.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE TOWN CORPORATE, I THINK THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT MAINTAIN.
DOES THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT SERVICENOW MEAN YOU COULD NEVER BE SERVICED BY TOWN WATER? NOW THAT WOULD BE PUBLIC WORKS, BUT I, I WOULDN'T USE THE WORD NEVER.
IF YOU WANT TO, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE TOWN WANTS TO PUT THE MONEY FORTH.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DRAINAGE IS FOR THE SEWER, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO PUT UP A PUMP STATION, FOR EXAMPLE, IN SOME AREAS.
THERE'S PROBABLY A REASON THIS HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED, DEVELOPED, UH, SAME WAY WITH THE ONES, UH, ACROSS THE BRIDGE AT THE RIVER.
I MEAN, IT'S WHAT ABOUT CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN? CLOSER? THE ONLY ONLY TRACK I FOUND DOWN, UH, IN THE CLOSE PROXIMITY WAS THIS TRACK HERE, WHICH ALREADY HAS, UH, A STRUCTURE OF RESIDENCE ON IT AND IT'S PRIVATELY HELD.
WHAT, WHAT, WHERE IS THAT? THAT'S JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY.
THAT'S WHERE'S WEST STER THE POINT OF REFERENCE, JOHN.
I THINK WE GOT A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF THAT
SO, AND THAT'S A LOT THAT GOES WAY ALL THE WAY LONG DOWN.
IT'S A VERY NARROW PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO I MEAN, DEVELOPMENT ON THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE LIMITED.
IS THERE, THERE JUST GOING UP.
BUT IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR PACKETS ON THE, THE LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT THE STATEMENT OF INTENT FROM YOUR P AND D DISTRICT.
SO THERE'S A COUPLE CRITERIA THERE THAT KIND OF OUTLINE WHAT P AND D IS.
THEY GOTTA, THEY GOTTA MEET MORE THAN JUST BE A TWO.
WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT EVERY TWO ACRE LOT IN TOWN CAN NOW BE AP AND D.
IT'S GOTTA MEET ALL THE CRITERIA.
IT JUST LOWERS THE THRESHOLD SO THAT IT'S, THERE'S MORE THAN JUST 20 TO, YOU KNOW, 16 TRACKS OF LAND THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, I GUESS POTENTIALLY SOMEONE COULD DO A LOT CONSOLIDATION AND REDO SOMETHING.
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YOU KNOW, IT HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED FOR A REASON.WHAT ABOUT VISCO CITY? IF SOMEBODY HAD A WHOLE TON OF CAPITAL, I DID NOT FIND ANY LOTS DOWN THERE, BUT SOMEBODY COULD COME IN AND BUY UP A WHOLE BUNCH OF LOTS AND CREATE APND.
WELL, THEY COULD REQUEST IF THEY HAD, IF THEY HAD A WHOLE LOT OF, IF THERE'S REQUEST, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S ENOUGH LOTS IN A CONTINUOUS TO MAKE A CONTINUOUS PARCEL, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
AGAIN, PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE.
I MEAN, IT MIGHT NOT BE INAPPROPRIATE.
I'M NOT SAYING IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE, BUT JUST, JUST, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE WE GETTING OURSELVES INTO.
I'M JUST SAYING THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST REQUESTED THE NUMBERS ON THE VACANT LOTS OR THOSE THAT ONLY HAD ONE HOUSE ON IT.
AND NOT ZONED THE INDUSTRIAL SECTION.
WE, WE HAVE ABOUT 16 RIGHT NOW.
THE, THE, THE ANO LANDS AND THOSE BIG OPEN LANDS UP THERE, UH, UP IN THE NORTHEAST.
SO BY REQUIREMENT THAT WAS REQUIRED TO COME IN AS AG MM-HMM.
AND THEN AT A LATER DATE GET REZONED.
NOW THE BSA, UM, CALLS OUT FOR A LARGE, WELL, SORRY, THERE'S PROFFERS, RIGHT.
SO A PORTION OF THAT IS TO GO TOWARDS A NEW SCHOOL.
AND SOME OF THAT IS TO GO TOWARDS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S A LARGE PORTION THAT'S, UM, OPEN SPACE TRAILS AND THAT'S ALL OUTLINED IN THAT VOLUNTARY SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND THE PROFFERS.
AND IF HE WANTED TO CHANGE THAT TO P AND D, SO BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WORKED OUT, I BELIEVE FOR HIM TO CHANGE THAT, THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN, AND I THINK A THREE JUDGE PANEL OR SOMETHING WOULD HAVE TO PERMIT THAT.
BECAUSE THE COUNTY GAVE A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION BASED ON THE BELIEF OF THE REZONING AND HOW THE PLAN NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT THAT'S A BAD WORD, UM, INCORRECT OR HOW IT WOULD APPEAR.
THE PLANET WAS PRESENTED AT THE TIME THE COUNTY SAID, OKAY, VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION INTO THE TOWN, TOWN SHOULD PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER, BUT THE MOST APPROPRIATE ZONE FOR THAT ANNEX LAND WOULD EVENTUALLY BE PND.
UNLESS, YOU KNOW, WE DOWN THE ROAD THERE'S AN AMENDMENT TO IT TO CHANGE IT TO SOMETHING INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE AT PRESENT.
YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE AN INTERCHANGE OFF 66.
AND THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON.
WELL, I MEAN, EAST WEST CONNECTOR MIGHT MAKE WASN'T AS FEASIBLE, BUT IF IT MIGHT MAKE LIKE COMMERCIAL, LIKE YOU PROBABLY FIT YOUR, YOU PROBABLY HAVE LIKE A GROCERY STORE, LIKE A LITTLE SHOPPING CENTER OUT THERE AT THAT POINT, UM, WITH THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR.
BUT YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO TRAIN TO DEAL WITH EVEN ONCE THESE WEST CONNECTORS BUILT, AND YOU CAN STILL HAVE A TRAIN THAT CAN BLOCK BOTH ENDS.
THESE TRACKS HAVE A LOT OF OBSTACLES.
I MEAN, AS FAR AS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT IT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IMPROVEMENTS FOR THESE.
WELLNO SEEMS TO NOT BE ABLE TO FIND SOMEBODY TO DEVELOP HIS LAND INTO THE HOUSING ESTATES THAT HE ENVISIONED.
WOULD HE BE ABLE TO USE THIS TO TAKE LITTLE BITE-SIZED CHUNKS AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS WITH DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF HIS LAND IF THIS CHANGE GOES THROUGH? YOU COULD ASK OR YEAH, YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK.
I MEAN, ANY OF THIS STUFF YOU HAVE, IT'S, YOU STILL, IT'S STILL VETTED BY COUNCIL.
SO NONE OF THIS CHANGE, JUST HAVING THIS IN THE
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE, THE ZONING MAP.
YOU'RE JUST CHANGING THE CRITERIA.
WE'RE NOT REZONING THE WHOLE TOWN.
HE'S GOT MORE THAN 50 ACRES ANYWAY.
SO IF HE WANTED TO DO THAT, HE COULD DO IT ALREADY.
THIS MINIMUM DOESN'T IS THAT'S TRUE.
I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED HERE.
YOU KNOW, I, IF HE ARE, IF HE WANTED TO DO THIS, HE COULD DO IT ALREADY.
SO I DON'T SEE THAT THIS IS, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT SAYING THAT EVERYBODY IN TOWN WITH TWO ACRES OR MORE IS GONNA BECOME OR BUILD OR PLAN APND.
AND SO WHEN SOMEBODY COMES BEFORE YOU WITH THE PND, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THAT 1 75, WHAT IS IT, 37.2.
AND YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH AND USE THAT AS LIKE A CHECKLIST, A THROUGH I.
AND YOU'RE GONNA TRY AND FIGURE OUT, OKAY, DOES THIS PROJECT LINE UP WITH THESE
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EVALUATION CRITERIA? THIS IS, UH, UM, ONE 70, WAIT A SECOND, LEMME GET THE RIGHT PAGE.THESE PAGE NUMBERS, DO YOU HAVE A LINE NUMBER? 1 75 0.37 DASH THREE? 7.9 0.2 I BELIEVE IS THE SECTION 37.3.
IT'S GO TO LINE 39, GO TO LINE 39, 38.
IT GOES FROM LINE 66, WHICH SAYS MINIMIZES TRAFFIC IMPACT, WHICH IS AT THE BOTTOM OF 37.1.
WHAT'S THE MATTER IS SOMETHING, WELL, 37.2, WHICH YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN HAD A HARD COPY.
LET SEE, THIS IS THE BOTTOM OF 37.1.
I WAS JUST TALKING TO THE COMPUTER THE WRONG WAY.
WAS THERE, I'LL, I'LL ASK THE QUESTION.
WAS THERE A RATIONAL OR RAISING BEHIND GOING DOWN TO TWO ACRES FROM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ACREAGE RIGHT DOWN TO TWO.
WAS THAT BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT THE LAND AVAILABLE AND WE
SO LEESBURG, UM, HAS A FIVE ACRE MINIMUM.
I THINK WHEN THEY WERE DISCUSSING THIS, I'M RECALLING THEM SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A LOT MORE TWO ACRE LOTS AVAILABLE AND THAT THEY COULD DO SIMILAR PROJECTS ON SOMETHING AT A TWO ACRE SCALE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, FINDING SOMETHING LARGER IN TOWN WHEN YOU'VE GOT, I MEAN THE TOWN'S FOR THE MOST PART'S PRETTY MUCH BUILT OUT.
I MEAN THERE'S POCKETS HERE AND THERE.
I MEAN OUR NUMBERS, I THINK THE LARGE, THE COUPLE LARGE TRACKS THAT WE HAVE NORTH OF THE RAILROAD, UM, KIND OF SKEW IT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF READILY AVAILABLE LAND FOR DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S LAND, BUT WITH THAT GOES OWNERSHIP OR HONING, UH, ANNEXATION, THE ABILITY, TRANSPORTATION, RAILROAD, I MEAN, QUESTION, QUESTION, QUESTION.
SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEN WE TALK ABOUT, PERHAPS I'M JUST SAYING PERHAPS THE APTEX PROPERTY, THE PARKING LOT FROM MASS UP THE DAYCARE DOWN TO THE POLICE STATION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACREAGE IS.
I WOULD SUSPECT IT TWO, MAYBE THREE OR FOUR ACRES.
WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AS A PLANNED NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT, POSSIBLY WITH THIS RESOUNDING ORDER.
WELL THAT AREA WE IN THE COMP PLAN, SO WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN FIRST.
IS IT IN LINE WITH COMP PLAN? OKAY.
THAT AREA, I THINK IN THE COMP PLAN, WE CALL THAT OUT FOR LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL STATION.
SO LIKE A, LIKE DOWN ON WEST 11TH STREET, HOW YOU HAVE LIKE THE RESTAURANTS AND LIKE THERE WAS LIKE A LITTLE LAUNDROMAT THERE.
THERE'S LITTLE BUSINESSES THAT ARE SUITABLE TO BE LOCATED NEAR RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT CREATES A LITTLE, LITTLE TOWN WITHIN A TOWN.
WALKABLE IS WHERE YOU LOOKED AT THE POTENTIAL.
I ASSUME WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THAT NEXT.
THE COMMUNITY, WALKABLE COMMUNITY OF COFFEE DRYER CLEANERS, UH, DENTIST OFFICE OR WHATEVER.
SO IT COULDN'T BE APARTMENT, BUT IT'S NOT HIGH DENSITY.
WELL, SO WHAT IS, UM, OBVIOUSLY CURRENTLY I THINK THAT THERE, THERE'S A MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT AND IS IT ONE 12 OR ONE 13 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR APARTMENTS? I THINK IT'S ONE 13.
UM, AND SO PROPERTY HAS TO MEET THAT LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT ACROSS
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TO EVEN START THAT CONVERSATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT APARTMENTS ARE APPROPRIATE.THEN THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE, UM, SETBACKS.
AND THEN THEY'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING LIKE TWO VEHICLES PER UNIT.
UM, I MEAN I THAT SOUNDS LIKE ALL THAT WOULD BE AN OBSTACLE TO DOING APARTMENTS.
WELL, SO IF YOU COULD CONSOLIDATE LOTS.
SO WITH THE P AND D ZONING, THE, WHEN YOU DO THE REZONING TO P AND D, WHAT THEY PROFFER BECOMES THE ZONING ORDINANCE ESSENTIALLY.
SO THAT'S WHAT I TOLD THEM TOO, WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING THEIR PROPOSAL, THEIR PLANS.
SO IF THEY PROFFER IN THERE LIKE SOME OTHER TYPE OF SETBACK OR BUILDING ENVELOPE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR A APARTMENT HOUSE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE RULE THAT WE FOLLOW.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE RULE WITH ANYBODY WHO PROPOSED A NEW P AND D.
I THINK NOW WE HAVE CURRENTLY 25% OF THE AREA IS OPEN SPACE.
SO THAT, SO THEY, THEY COMPLY WITH THAT AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT'S HERE, BUT THEN THEY CAN EMBELLISH.
SO IF YOU THINK BACK TO LIKE HE HABITAT'S PROFFERS, THOSE PROFFERS BECAME IN THE SENSE OF THE ORDINANCE.
SO THEY PROFFERED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS, THEY PROFFERED LIKE BRICK FACADES AND FRONT PORCHES AND ALL THOSE THINGS ARE THE RIGHT, THAT BECOMES THE CRITERIA THAT ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE.
SO ANYTIME ANYBODY IN THE FUTURE WANTS TO FOLLOW MAGDALENE'S FOOTSTEPS MM-HMM.
WELL THAT I THINK ANSWERS MY QUESTIONS.
I JUST, UH, I MEAN WHAT, WHAT I'M, WHAT I AM HOPING IS THAT THAT MAKING IT EASIER TO DO AP AND D IS GONNA MAKE IT EASIER TO GET MORE HOUSED.
I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
AND THAT'S, UH, WHAT I'M HEARING SAYS THAT IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE.
MIGHT MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENCE.
IS THAT WHAT IT'S STILL GONNA BE A PROCESS.
THEY'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO SHOW WHY THIS IS BENEFICIAL TO THE TOWN AND COUNCIL'S STILL GONNA, THEY'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO GET COUNCIL'S BUYIN.
STILL GONNA GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.
BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ANYTIME YOU CAN INCREASE DENSITY, YOU, YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOU RIGHT.
MORE HOUSING, CREATING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THAT'S WHAT LIKE PD IS WHERE YOU GET THE CHANCE TO MAYBE SAY, YOU KNOW, VISIONARY SETTING TYPE THING WHERE YOU, A CERTAIN NUMBER, CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF UNITS HAVE TO BE DEEMED AFFORDABLE SUPPORT.
THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD THAT IN.
WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH OUR OCCURRENCE, THAT THESE CARS, THAT NON ACRE RESELLING AND WHAT THAT CAN BE.
SO WITH THEM, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE POTENTIALLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TOWN HOMES, THEY'RE GONNA POSITIVE APARTMENTS.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A MIXTURE.
SO YOU'VE GOT A MIXTURE OF INCOME LEVELS AND THAT'S, THAT'S WRITTEN INTO ALREADY INTO THIS DOCUMENT.
THAT'S INTO THE MAGDALENE DOCUMENT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER INFORMATION TO ADD? NOPE.
YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THE ORDINANCE OBVIOUSLY AS IS.
OTHER THAN THE RECENT RE REDUCTION OF ACREAGE DOWN, I MEAN, I THINK WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT THE STATEMENT OF INTENT AND WHERE IT STATES LARGE TRACKS OF LAND.
I MEAN, WE DON'T SAY WHAT LITTLE LARGE TRACK OF LAND IS HERE IN TOWN.
I MEAN WHEN THE MAJORITY OF LOTS ARE 25, 5, WHATEVER, BUT YOU DON'T FORESEE US GETTING A YEAR DOWN THE ROAD AND WE'RE DOING THIS AND THEN, OH GEE, I WISH WE WOULD'VE GONE IN AND CHANGED THIS OR THAT.
UM, YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THE OVERALL LANGUAGE WITH JUST THE REDUCTION.
I THINK OUT OF ALL OF OUR CURRENT ZONING DISTRICTS, THE PND NEEDS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF WORK I'VE READ THROUGH IT AND I LIKE A LOT OF IT.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DEALING WITH IT, YOU GUYS DEAL WITH IT DAY IN AND DAY OUT AND THE ADMINISTRATION OF IT AND GETTING ACCEPTANCE BY, BY THE DEVELOPER.
I MEAN OF COURSE THE DEVELOPER PROPOSED THIS, SO THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY COMFORTABLE.
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ONE IS COMFORTABLE WITH EVERYTHING.BUT EVERY, AND TO ME, I THINK IF WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A ZONE WHERE ONLY ONE PARCEL IN TOWN HAS THAT TYPE OF ZONING AND IT LIMITED TO THE POINT THAT ONLY 16 PARCELS CAN BE THAT OUT.
UM, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH LOWERING THAT.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, APPLICATION 2 3 0 0 5 3 7 TO REZONE, UH, THREE 11 LEE STREET FROM SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO P AND D.
LET'S SEE, THAT ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE LOTS THAT ATTACH TO THE, TO PARCEL, IS THAT RIGHT? D ONE, D TWO AND D THREE.
IT'S NOT UP THERE NOW, BUT THEY'RE THE ONES THAT, THERE'S THREE THAT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, CORRECT? YEAH.
I THINK THEY WERE HIGHLIGHTING IN RED WHEN WE HAD IT UP THERE BEFORE TRYING TO FIND IT.
THESE PARCELS HERE THEY HAVE MM-HMM.
AND THE
THAT'S, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
YEAH, YOU HAVE THIS ONE PIECE HERE AND THESE THREE SMALLER TRACKS HERE.
JOHN, I'M GONNA WALK UP CLOSER 'CAUSE I CAN'T
SO WHERE'S THE CREEK ALONG HERE? BECAUSE THERE'S A CREEK, SO THERE ALONG HERE, RIGHT HERE IN BLUE.
AND THAT'S THE FLOODPLAIN AND THAT'S THE FLOOD PLAIN.
THIS IS, YOU HAVE A SMALL PORTION OF THE TRACK HERE IN THE BLOOD PLAIN.
BUT THE MAG FOLKS ONLY OWN THIS, THESE AND THIS OUT.
THE WHOLE THING OUTLINED IN RED.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE NINE ACRE PIECE I BELIEVE.
YEAH, THE NINE, THAT'S THE NINE ACRE PIECE.
AND THE OTHER THREE LOTS ARE UNDEVELOPED AND UNDEVELOPED HERE ON NORTHVIEW AVENUE.
AND THIS IS A HAPPY CREEK AND BRACKS.
THERE'S
OH, THAT'S THE, WELL, YEAH, IT'S CREEK.
THAT'S THE YEAH, THEY'RE BY THE CEMETERY.
OH, THIS IS THE CEMETERY? YES.
AND CURRENTLY THE ONLY WAY YOU GET TO LEECH STREET IS BASICALLY FROM EASTERLY OR BRAXTON, RIGHT? RIGHT.
RIGHT IN THE P AND D REQUIRES THEM TO HAVE A, A CIRCULAR TRANSPORTATION ROUTE IN, IN HIS VALLEY.
IS THIS A FARM HERE? THIS SECTION HERE? THAT'S SOME RE THAT'S JUST A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE HOME.
AND THIS IS A FARM WHERE USED TO BE A FARM.
UH, IT USED TO BE WHERE MY KIDS PLAYED SOCCER, BUT THAT WAS 40, WELL, 30 YEARS AGO.
TOWN OWNS, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A BARN HERE.
WHEN YOU COME DOWN LEE STREET, THERE IS A BARN THERE.
BUT IS THAT NO LONGER A SO THAT USED TO BE A FARM, SOMEBODY'S FARM THERE.
SO TO GET TO THE SOCCER FIELD, YOU USED TO HAVE TO TURN IN SYCAMORE.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO WE HAD A COUPLE OPTIONS, RIGHT? AS FAR AS LOOKING AT THAT.
SO THEY HAD TWO OPTIONS PLUS THE BUY, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHAT'LL HAPPEN IS, SO OBVIOUSLY THE SECOND PIECE DOESN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT HAPPENING FIRST.
SO WHEN YOU DO THIS, WE'RE POTENTIALLY LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF
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APPROVAL PRIOR TO TAKING UP THE REZONING PORTION, RIGHT? MM-HMM.UM, I, I DON'T HAVE A REASON TO NOT RECOMMEND IT.
IS THERE A DOWNSIDE THAT WE'RE NOT THE SAME? THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO THINK THROUGH.
I, I MEAN, SO HERE'S THE THING.
THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE THE, THEY'VE DONE THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDIES.
RIGHT? YOU HAD A 200 SOME PAGE GEOTECH STUDY.
THE ONE WAS THOROUGH GEOTECH REPORTS I'VE SEEN SINCE I'VE BEEN WORKING HERE FOR, UM, THEY'VE, THEY HAD A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE THROUGH BETA OR AN ANALYSIS DONE.
AND IT, IT DETERMINED THAT THERE'S NO ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED.
UM, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WHERE THEY WERE REALLY PROFFERING ANYTHING, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE UP TO COUNSEL TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, OKAY.
UM, AND OF COURSE THE COUNTY'S INFLUENCE UPON THAT OR NOT.
AND THAT'S GONNA, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT.
WE, AS THE JURISDICTION CAN'T ASK THEM TO PROFFER ANYTHING.
SO AT THIS POINT, IF THEY'VE CHOSEN NOT TO SUBMIT ANY ADDITIONAL PROFFERS, UM, YOU GOTTA ACCEPT IT.
YOU'RE TAKING THIS APPLICATION AS IT'S BEEN PRESENTED.
COUNSEL WANTS TO PROVE IT, THEY CAN.
BUT WE'RE REALLY STUDYING THE TWO, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE REVISION, UH, TO THE ORDINANCE AND THEN HAND IN HAND, ASSUMING THAT GETS APPROVED, THEN THE
THAT'S WHERE THEY COULD ASK FOR WHATEVER.
BUT THE EXAMPLE OR, OR WHAT WE SAW, AS I REMEMBER, WAS A PLAN TO MIX A, A LIMITED COMMERCIAL MM-HMM.
POSSIBLY A BOUTIQUE HOTEL, POSSIBLY.
AND THEN MIX HOUSING WITH SOME VERY NICE EXPENSIVE HOUSE AND, UH, SOME, UH, DUPLEXES AND ALSO POSSIBLY, UH, CONDOMINIUM OR, AND OR APARTMENT.
WE, WE SAW TWO A TOTALLY DELIGHTFUL PLEDGE WITH A VERY WALKABILITY OF, OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND A LOT OF THESE THINGS LIKE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAMMER OUT THEIR PLAN.
IT'S LIKE, SAY THE, SO ONCE THE REZONING GOES THROUGH, IF IT GOES THROUGH THAT GIVES THEM THEIR PARAMETERS OF THAT, THAT'S WHEN THEY COME TO US WITH A SITE PLAN.
THE STATE WILL REVIEW THAT AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GONNA BE VIABLE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT A BOUTIQUE HOTEL IS GONNA BE VIABLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT HAVING A MIXTURE OF HOUSING TYPES IS ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED, YOU KNOW, THEY, I MEAN, LOCAL USES DRY CLEANERS.
DENTIST OFFICE, DOCTOR, LAWYER.
I MEAN, IF THEY CAN OPEN UP A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, HAVE A LITTLE DAYCARE THERE OFF OF HAPPY CREEK OR A LITTLE MARKET AND THE PEOPLE IN THE YOU IN THE COMMUNITY CAN DROP THEIR KIDS OFF OR GO WALK TO IT TO GRAB WHATEVER THEY NEED, THEN IT'S GONNA WORK OUT GREAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET LIKE A HOTEL CONFERENCE CENTER, WHATEVER THEIR VISION IS FOR THAT, THAT MAY BE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT.
BUT THAT'S ON THEM TO FIGURE OUT THE YEAH.
I WOULD, YOU KNOW, KNOW, SUGGEST THAT THEY WILL DO THE COMMERCIAL STUDY AND, AND, AND UNDERSTAND THE VIABILITY OR NOT.
AND THAT'S ALL DRIVEN BY THE MARKET.
AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE, WE, AS LONG AS THEY MEET OUR CRITERIA MM-HMM.
AND WE LEARN THAT THE, YOUR PLANT, YOU AND THE COUNTY DOING THE PLANNING, THERE'S ANOTHER HOTEL SUPPOSEDLY IN, IN THE PLANS FOR THE 5 22 QUARTERS.
SO I, I WOULD QUESTION, WHEN IS, WHEN HAVE YOU SATURATED THE MARKET? YOU KNOW, WE RODE BY PICKING UP A TRICK OR TRADE LAST NIGHT, RODE BY OUT THERE AT, UM, HOULAHAN, WHATEVER.
IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE FULL.
SO THEY DON'T STUDY THE MARKET AND PUT IN OR SUGGEST
DON'T, YOU'RE GONNA PUT SOMETHING IN THEY CAN'T MAKE MONEY ON.
BUT WELL, SEQUENCE IS FIRST WE, WE SEND THE REZONING TO THE TOWN COUNCIL.
SO THE, THE SEQUENCE ORDINANCE REVISION THE ORDINANCE REVISION.
SO IT'S YOUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
IT WOULD COME IN A FUTURE MEETING.
WE COULDN'T DO IT OBVIOUSLY IN THE SAME NIGHT BECAUSE THE COUNCIL HAS NOT APPROVED THE ORDINANCE.
WELL, YOU CAN DO BOTH OF THEM THE SAME NIGHT,
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BUT WHEN COUNCIL TAKES IT UP, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE UP THE TEXT AMENDMENT FIRST, APPROVE THAT, THAT'S WHY HE GETS THE BIG VOTE.THAT'S WHY I'M HERE LEARNING, LISTENING AND LEARNING.
IT'S, WE GOTTA MAKE IT FUN FOR GEORGE.
SO THAT'LL BE THE FIRST MEETING OF THE TOWN COUNCILORS JUST TO PROVE THE ORDINANCE CHANGE.
WELL I'M ASSUMING THEY HAVE TO TAKE UP THE ORDINANCE CHANGE FIRST.
DOES IT HAVE HAVE TO BE ON SEPARATE RIGHTS? I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ON, I WOULD THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON THE CHANGE AND THEN WELL ON BOTH.
BUT I DON'T KNOW REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT I THINK SO IT, IT, IT COULD BE AWKWARD, BUT UM, IT MAY LOOK LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO RAM SOMETHING DOWN SOMEBODY'S THROAT.
IF YOU'RE ASKING MY OPINION, I WOULD WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT GOES SEPARATELY.
BUT I'M NOT SAYING IT CAN'T GO THIS WAY.
I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF THEY COULD DO MORE THAN THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT AND THEN COME BACK NOW THAT WE HAVE THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, LET'S LOOK AT THIS.
I MEAN, THEY CAN ALWAYS KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OF THEM, BUT THAT'S COUNCIL'S ATIVE IF THEY WANT TO VOTE ON ONE AND THEN KEEP THE OPEN MM-HMM.
AND WHEN COUNSEL'S FINISHED, THEN MAGDALENE COMES BACK TO US WITH A SITE PLAN.
IS THAT THE NEXT STEP? ONCE THEY SUBMIT IT TO STAFF.
AND SO IT'S GOTTA BE GOOD TO GO, READY TO BE APPROVED.
THEN YOU GUYS ARE JUST THE FINAL STAMP OF OKAY.
THIS IS IN LINE WITH THE TOWN CODE.
AND THEY ASKED US DO WE PREFER VIEW ONE OR VIEW TWO.
WAS THAT, WERE THEY, DO YOU KNOW IF THEY TOOK THAT? BECAUSE I THINK WE HAD A CONSENSUS THAT WE, MAJORITY OF US, LIKE VIEW TWO OR OPTION TWO OR WHATEVER.
I THINK RIGHT NOW THEYRE JUST LOOKING AT PRO, I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT LIKE PROTOTYPES AND WHEN THEY ACTUALLY GET THE APPROVAL, I THINK THAT'S THE POINT THAT THEY REALLY HAVE THEIR ENGINEERS RIGHT.
FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKS ON THIS SITE WORKS.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THEM TO HAVE ALL THE ENGINEERING DONE.
PRIOR TO GETTING THESE APPROVALS.
'CAUSE THEN THEY'RE JUST WASTING MONEY IF IT'S ENOUGH.
AND ENGINEERING MAY SUGGEST SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE OPEN-MINDED AND WILLING TO ADJUST.
BUT, UM, I LIKE THE CONNECTIVITY FOR THOSE FOLKS UP ON TOP.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'VE DONE THE BDOT STUDY ALONG HAPPY CREEK ROAD, WHICH I BELIEVE INDICATED THEY DIDN'T NEED THE TURN LANE OR ANYTHING, UH, DUE TO GRAPHIC.
I MEAN IT SEEMED LIKE A REALLY, REALLY, UH, FORWARD THINKING PLAN.
SOMETHING OUR COMMUNITY DOESN'T HAVE PRESENTLY.
THERE SHOULD BE A REAL, A BOOST.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'LL BE A ROAD CONNECTING THE TWO FROM NORTHVIEW INTO THIS.
I I THOUGHT HE DID SAY SOMETHING, SOMETHING ABOUT AS A, I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO DO THAT AS SWITCHBACKS IF YOU WERE TRYING, MAYBE YOU MAY, KARE IS VERY STEEP ON THAT PARCEL.
SO IT IS, I KNOW, I DO REMEMBER THE WATER.
TERRAIN TO DICTATE WHETHER OR NOT, RIGHT.
I'M TRYING TO ANTICIPATE ARE THE CITIZENS UP THERE GOING NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 20, 30, A HUNDRED CARS GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TODAY.
AND, AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T, BUT WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL THEY DID THE ENGINEER STUDY, SO.
WILL THE PEOPLE IN NORTHVIEW BE ABLE TO SEE THE CONSTRUCTION? I CAN'T TELL.
SO ARE THEY GOING TO BE NOTIFIED? THEY ALREADY HAVE BEEN.
THEY'VE ALL RECEIVED THEIR LETTERS.
WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN A COUPLE PHONE CALLS.
WHAT, HOW DO THEY PROBABLY CARRYING SIGNS WENT UP TODAY.
HOW DO THEY FEEL ABOUT IT? I DIDN'T, THEY HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T TAKE THE CALL.
SO 15TH OF NOVEMBER, WE'LL FIND OUT THAT DAY.
ANY OTHER BUSINESS? MOVE TO ADJOURN.
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TO GO.