[Planning and Zoning Work Session on October 4, 2023.]
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ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ORDER OF THIS WORK SESSION OF THE FRONT ROW PLANNING COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER THE FOURTH, 2023.THE TIME IS 6:00 PM I WILL GET STARTED WITH, UH, CALL TO ORDER AND A ROLL CALL.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER MATTHEW HERE THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM AND A FULL MEETING AND WE'D LIKE TO WELCOME OUR NEW MEMBER, MR. MATTHEW.
WE'VE GOT, UH, TWO ITEMS ON IT.
THEY'RE BOTH THE SAME, UH, THE SAME DEVELOPER, RIGHT? ONE'S A TAX AMENDMENT AND ONE'S A REZONING APPLICATION.
ALRIGHT, SO THE FIRST ITEM IN YOUR PACKET IS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO 1 75 37 0.1, WHICH IS OUR P N D ZONE.
UM, STAFF HAS ALSO PRINTED IT AND PROVIDED IT FOR YOU IN CASE KNOW.
UM, BUT THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED WOULD BE CHANGE TO THE MINIMUM ACREAGE SIZE FOR THE PARCEL, UM, TO GO FROM 20 ACRE MINIMUM DOWN TO A TWO ACRE MINIMUM.
UM, IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, THERE'S EITHER NOT A MINIMUM SIZE OR SOMETIMES HAVE THE LIMITS.
IT'S DIFFERENT ANYWHERE YOU GO.
UM, I SPOKE WITH OUR CONSULTANT TODAY SUMMIT, WHO IS REWRITING THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE WITH US.
UM, THEY DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH CHANGING THE MINIMUM ACREAGE SIZE IF THAT'S WHAT THIS COMMISSION WANTS TO DO.
UM, THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS THAT MAYBE PREMATURE OR, UM, UNNECESSARY IF WE ARE DOING A COMPLETE REWRITE, BUT I SPOKE WITH THEM AND THEY'RE COMFORTABLE INCORPORATING WITHIN THIS BODIES.
I CAN TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THIS.
SO THE TEXT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS OUR ORDINANCE AS IT IS, AND WHERE YOU STRUCK THINGS IN RED OR YELLOW.
SO IT WOULD BE FROM A 20 ACRE MINIMUM LOT SIZE DOWN TO A TWO ACRE LOT SIZE.
SO I ASKED, UM, MR. WARE THIS, THE, UM, ACCORDING TO MR. WARE, THIS, THIS ACTUALLY, IT'S ACTUALLY IN OUR COMP PLAN FOR THAT AREA TO BE DEVELOPED.
IS THAT, DOES THAT JIVE WITH YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMP PLAN? YEAH.
AND EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COMP PLAN, IT TALKS ABOUT THIS AREA BEING DEVELOPED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.
AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INTENT OF THE P AND D DISTRICT, WHICH IS BASICALLY YOUR FIRST PAGE OF THIS, AND YOU GO A THROUGH I HERE, WHICH YOU'LL SEE AS WE KIND OF GO THROUGH THESE SCENARIOS, UM, IN A MINUTE.
UM, IT, I BELIEVE IT, IT CHECKS THE BOXES.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATING STANDARD DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS WHILE SERVING SUFFICIENT NATURAL OPEN SPACE FOR COMMON USE CONSERVATION OR RECREATION PURPOSES, RIDING ADEQUATE BUFFERING BETWEEN THE STRUCTURES AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
I THINK EVEN THOUGH THIS ISN'T A 20 ACRE SITE THE WAY IT'S BEEN POSED, I THINK OPTIONS ONE AND TWO, WHICH WE'LL SEE IN A MINUTE ACCOMPLISH THIS.
UM, AND, AND DO MY APOLOGIES FOR INTERRUPTING, BUT DO THE, THE ZONING.
IS THE ZONING, DOES THE ZONING REWRITE ACCOMMODATE THE COMP PLAN STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE? YES.
SO THE, THEN WE ACCOMMODATE THAT DOWN TO TWO ACRES.
WELL, SO THEY'RE APPLYING FOR THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO OCCUR NOW, AS OPPOSED TO WAITING ANOTHER NINE TO 12 MONTHS FOR US TO FINISH UP THE ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE.
BUT DOES THE ZONING ORDINANCE COMPLY WITH THE, UM, COMP PLAN IN TERMS OF THAT'S THE ENTIRE REASON WE'RE REWRITING THE ZONING
THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN.
SO THIS WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO OUR ON ON THAT, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
THIS WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE.
AND PROVIDED THAT THE COUNCIL AGREED AND APPROVED IT RIGHT.
THEN WE COULD LOOK AT PLAN PROGRAMS WITH, UM, A SMALLER ACREAGE, BUT, RIGHT.
SO WHAT THIS DOES, AND I WASN'T SURE WHICH WAS, WHICH WAS THE BEST WAY TO PUT
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OPEN TO THIS DISCUSSION HERE.SO JUST SO WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PAGE, SO RIGHT, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE TEXT AMENDMENT RIGHT NOW.
WITH RESPECT TO WHAT, WHAT APPEARS, IF I DID MY HOMEWORK RIGHT, IS WITHIN THE COMP PLAN IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHERE WE, WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THAT AREA? YES.
AND THEN WHAT THE REWRITE OF OKAY.
I'M, I'M THANK THIS IS THE AREA CALLED COMP PLAN.
SO WE'VE GOT NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL AND THEN WE'VE GOT A, UM, I'M BLANKING ON THE NAME, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE DARK YELLOW AND THE LIGHT YELLOW.
SO I THINK PAGE 1 78, MAYBE IF THE COMP PLAN MAY HAVE THE FUTURE LAND USE.
NOW I HAVE A BAD FEELING THAT I HAVE EARLIER VERSION OF COMP PLAN ON THIS COMPUTER.
I CAN PULL IT UP AND SHOW YOU THE UPDATED COMP PLAN DOES.
I CAN, IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE, UM, YOUR DEPARTMENT.
I DEFINITELY HAVE THE VERSION.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE, THE REASON WE DID THE ZONING ORDINANCE AFTER THE COMP PLAN IS SO THAT ONCE WE HAD THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES, ANY REWRITE THAT WE DID WAS KIND OF LOOK AT WITH THE COMP.
AND THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE ACCOMPLISHES BRINGING THIS PLAN TO FRUITION.
YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SCAN OVER THE, OKAY.
SO WHERE DO, WHERE DO THE MAPS BEGIN? 81 76.
I THINK IT'S POPPING OUT IN MY BRAIN, BUT I MAY BE WRONG BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A COUPLE MONTHS.
IT'S DEFINITELY NOT IN THE SIXTIES.
AND
YOU CAN'T FLIP RIGHT TO IT ALL.
SO THIS PARCEL FALLS UNDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL.
SO MEDIUM DENSITY, THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, AND TWO FAMILY ATTACHED HOMES.
INFILL DEVELOPMENT WILL MATCH THE EXISTING CARE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, INTERNAL AND EXTERIOR TO THE HOME ARE PERMITTED BY.
AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, I THINK IT'S LIKE THIS SECTION OVER IN HERE, UM, ON HAPPY CREEK ROAD.
THE MAIN, WHEN I, WHEN I SAW THE ORIGINAL ADDRESS WHERE IT SAID LEACH ROAD, UH, FIRST THING I THOUGHT WAS WHAT? WHY DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO DO TWO ACRES ON LEACH FRONT PARKWAY?
YEAH, I LOOKED AT IT, I GOOGLED IT.
DID THEY DIDN'T KIN LIVED THERE ON THIS PROPERTY WHEN HE RAN HER OFF AND IT'S BEEN VACANT EVER SINCE.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED THE, I WANT THE NAME TAG, MAN, BECAUSE WHEN I DROVE OVER THERE, MAN, I MEAN, OF COURSE ALL THE KIDS
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KNEW ME, BUT HIS PARENTS ARE LIKE, HEY, WHO'S A CREEPY GUY HANGING OUT WITH OUR KIDS? YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.DO YOU WANT TO, DO YOU STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TEX AMENDMENT? NO THOUGHTS? I DON'T, NO CONCERNS ABOUT TWO ACRES.
DO YOU WANT FIVE ACRES? WHAT ARE YOUR I I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW IT'S APPLIED.
I MEAN, I, I'M A VISUAL PERSON.
I NEED TO SEE, WELL, IF WE DO THIS, WHAT'S IT GONNA LOOK LIKE? OKAY.
SO THEN FROM THE NEXT PORTION OF IT, SO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, THEY'VE GOT THREE SCENARIOS HERE THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED FOR YOU.
UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS BY, RIGHT.
SO WITH, WITH THEIR 11 ACRES THAT THEY HAVE, UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING BY, RIGHT.
I BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LOOK LIKE.
YOU WOULD ENTER OFF OF HAPPY CREEK AND YOU WOULD HAVE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS.
JUST YOUR STANDARD BUYRIGHT DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT'S WHAT, 20 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE 20? IT'S 22.
I NOTICE THAT SOME LOTS ARE BIGGER THAN OTHERS.
UM, THIS SAYS THESE CORNER LOTS HAVE LARGER SETBACKS.
THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE TO BE LARGER LOTS.
IT'S HARD TO ENVISION THAT GIVEN THE HILLSIDE.
I'M SURE THE APPLICANT'S GONNA TELL US ABOUT THAT.
THAT MAY MAKE THIS, I THINK THE YELLOW SIDE, SOMEBODY, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LEFT PART, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOPO LINES, IT'S STEEP HERE.
WHAT'S THE TOTAL LOT SIZE? UM, SO THESE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, 8,400 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
SOME OF THESE LOTS ARE, UM, BUT ROUGHLY 22 AN AC.
OR, UM, THEY, THESE ARE 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO IT'S A THIRD OF AN ACRE HERE.
UM, A LITTLE LESS OF WHERE THERE, SO THE MINIMUM'S SUPPOSED TO BE TWO ACRES? THIS, THIS IS ABOUT RIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHAT ON THAT TEXT AMENDMENT, THE CURRENT ZONING, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE I THINK IS LIKE 8,000 ISH SQUARE FEET.
UM, BUT THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT THEY WOULD DO A REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY.
SO THEY WOULD GO FROM I THINK THEIR R ONE, R ONE RS RS.
SO THEY WOULD BE GOING FROM RS TO P AND D, WHICH IS THE PLANNED NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO, UM, KIND OF SET THEIR DENSITY.
WE CAN SET THE SET BACK THAT POINT.
UM, REVISE THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE AND IT ALLOWS THEM TO MIX USES.
SO YOU WOULDN'T JUST HAVE RESIDENTIAL, LIKE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
YOU COULD HAVE COMMERCIAL, YOU COULD HAVE, UM, A SINGLE FAMILY.
YOU CAN HAVE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, YOU CAN HAVE DUPLEXES, YOU CAN HAVE CONDOMINIUMS, A COMMUNITY CENTER, ALL OF THAT CONTAINED WITHIN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S WHAT THIS REZONING WOULD PERMIT.
UM, BUT AS IS THEY CAN'T DO THAT AS IS.
WHAT THEY CAN DO IS THEY CAN COME IN AND PUT SINGLE FAMILY UNITS AND THAT'S ALL THEY CAN DO IS YES.
SO THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DO OTHER THINGS.
THE REASON CHANGE, THE CHANGE WILL ALLOW THEM, SO THEY CAN DO THIS WITHOUT, WITHOUT ANY CHANGES.
RIGHT NOW WITHOUT ANY TOWN OR COUNTY PROBLEMS. THEN IF WE GO TO, UM, I BELIEVE THIS IS OPTION ONE, UM, AND I ACTUALLY, I HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE.
ALEX, DO YOU MIND WALKING HIM THROUGH OPTION ONE OR DO YOU WANT ME TO COME UP THERE OR? YEAH, YEAH.
FOR THOSE OF YOU DON'T KNOW ME, I'M ALEX C SO IT'S A PLEASURE TO MEET ALL OF YOU.
I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE, BUT PLEASURE TO MEET YOU ALL.
I'LL JUST KIND OF WALK THROUGH, UH, THERE.
SO, YEAH, LIKE, UH, LAUREN WAS MENTIONING PART OF THE JUSTIFICATION WAS TO ADD SOME COMMERCIAL ELEMENTS.
UM, A BIG PART OF, OF COMMERCIAL ELEMENTS IS TO BRING BACK MORE OF A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD STYLE WHEN IT COMES TO LAYOUTS.
SO IF YOU LOOK A LOT OF THE OLD, UH, STYLE OF THE, OF THE TOWN IN GENERAL, UM,
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YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THINGS, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL HOUSE AND RIGHT AFTER YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, MAYBE A SMALL FAMILY OFFICE OF WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, SUCH AS A LAW PRACTICE OR A SMALL DENTIST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE OFTEN SEE ON LIKE OVER HERE, LIKE VIRGINIA APP.UM, AND THEY OFTEN LOOK LIKE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, BUT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, USED FOR COMMERCIAL.
SO, UM, PART OF WHAT THE IDEA WAS THERE IS TO INCORPORATE A FEW THINGS.
LIKE THESE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY LIKE A SHOP HOUSE, UH, WHICH WE CAN SEE ON SOME OF THE THREE D RENDERINGS OR MAYBE A DENSER, UH, SLIGHTLY DENSER USE.
UH, 'CAUSE THE IDEA BEHIND TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS IS NOT TO HAVE ONE UNIFORM, UH, JUST ALL THE SAME STACKED HOUSES LIKE WE WOULD SEE ON SOME OF THE NEWER DEVELOPMENTS, LIKE SAY LIKE IN MIDDLETOWN OR STEVEN CITY, RIGHT? UH, THE IDEA IS TO HAVE A SLIGHTLY INTEGRATED NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE, UH, YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER END SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UH, LIKE THIS WOULD BE LIKE A DUPLEX.
UH, THIS MIGHT BE LIKE A STACKED TOWN HOMES OR, UH, TRIPLEXES.
AND I THINK WE ENDED UP DOING THESE MORE AS DUPLEXES TO MAKE 'EM LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE SINGLE FAMILIES.
YOU COULD HAVE SOME SHOP HOUSES ON THIS, UH, THIS WHERE YOU'D HAVE POTENTIALLY RESIDENTIAL ABOVE THEM.
AND THEN ON THE LOWER LEVEL YOU MIGHT HAVE LIKE A, LIKE A LITTLE CAFE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OR, UM, MAYBE A DRY CLEANERS OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE FOR LITTLE SMALL BUSINESS OR EVEN JUST SMALL OFFICE SPACE.
AND THEN THESE, WE SAY CONDO HOTELS, THEY COULD END UP BEING LIKE A CONDO COMPLEX OR, UM, LIKE A MICRO, A MICRO HOTEL.
UM, NOT LIKE A HEAVY COMMERCIAL, LIKE A, LIKE A HILTON OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS WOULD BE MORE LIKE BOUTIQUE STYLE, UH, MORE LIKE CONDO COMPLEX.
SHORT TERM STAYS FOR A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AT A TIME IS KIND OF THE IDEA.
UH, BUT EITHER WAY, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE GENERAL LAYOUT ON OPTION ONE HERE, UH, YOU CAN SEE A CLUBHOUSE.
SO YOU MIGHT EVEN HAVE THE POOL, POTENTIALLY LIKE A SMALL RESTAURANT, THINGS LIKE THAT FOR PEOPLE TO CONGREGATE.
UM, AND PART OF THE REASON ON THIS OPTION, AND THE OTHER OPTION THAT WILL SHOW, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND IT IS ALMOST ALL PREDOMINANT RESIDENTIAL.
SO THIS COULD EVEN SERVE AS AN ADD, UH, ADD-ON TO THIS, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND.
SO IF ANYBODY NEEDED TO, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONNECTIVITY AS WELL TOO ON THESE ROADWAYS.
UH, THEY CAN WALK DOWN TO LIKE A CORNER STORE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S KIND OF SET BRINGING BACK SOME OF THAT TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WALKABILITY FITS THE IDEA.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE, SINGLE FAMILY, UH, THE CLOSEST THING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE WOULD BE BY GOING UP TO MARTIN'S OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GET ANYTHING.
LIKE JUST A BASIC THING LIKE MILK, UH, WHERE IT SAID IF WE HAD A CORNER STORE AND SERVE A LITTLE BIT OF THE EXTRA NEIGHBORHOOD, REDUCE TRAFFIC.
SO, SO THAT'S KINDA THE INTENTION.
SO LET'S SEE IF I PASS THE TEST HERE, THIS IS ALL IN TWO ACRES? NO, THIS IS A LITTLE OVER 10 ACRE.
THIS IS ABOUT A 10 ACRE LOT GIVE OR TAKE.
SO THERE'S, YEAH, ROUGHLY ABOUT NINE AND SOME CHANGE ACRES HERE.
UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER LOTS A JOINT TO IT AS WELL.
SO IS THIS SOMETHING YOU'RE ACTUALLY CONCEIVING OF AND PROPOSING AND TRYING TO ACHIEVE? YOU'VE GOT THE OTHER EIGHT ACRES LINED UP? YEAH.
WE ALREADY OWN THIS PROPERTY, SO OH, YOU OWN ALL THE
SO THIS IS WHAT WE WERE, THESE ARE THE, WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE THE BUY RIGHT, WHICH WE COULD JUST BUILD TOMORROW TYPE, NOT THEORETICALLY TOMORROW, BUT YOU GET WHAT I MEAN.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER USE OF THE LAND IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET.
THAT FITS MORE INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ANOTHER QUESTION IF I MAY, MR. SHOWER.
UM, THIS COULD BE PHENOMENALLY SUCCESSFUL AND IT COULD BECOME A REAL MAGNET IN WHICH CASE YOU HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM, YOU HAVE A PARKING SHORTAGE THERE.
SO BECAUSE OF THE TERRACE DESIGN, YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT OF UNDERGROUND EASY ACCESS FOR PARKING.
SO YOU MAY NOT SEE A TON OF STREET PARKING.
UM, BUT LIKE, SAY FOR THE CONNO HOTEL, VERY EASY TO DO UNDERGROUND PARKING, PAR, UH, RIGHT THERE.
UH, THIS LOWER TERRACE AS WELL TOO.
I SAID THERE'S SOME OPTIONS TO DO UNDERGROUND PARKING.
SO THEN IT MAKES IT VERY EASY.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ALL FLAT.
SO INSTEAD OF DOING LIKE, UH, LIKE YOU WOULD SEE A BUNCH OF BULLDOZERS COMING IN, KNOCKING EVERYTHING DOWN AND HAVING TO REBUILD.
IT'S, IT'S A CUT AND FILL APPROACH.
SO WE ACTUALLY JUST CUT WITH THE GRADE.
UH, SO IT'S ACTUALLY VERY EASY TO BUILD OUT ON THOSE IN A, IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, WHO WOULD MAINTAIN THE STREETS.
UH, SO WITH P AND D, IT ACTUALLY REQUIRES, UH, FOR US TO HELP SET UP EITHER, UM, I THINK THEY'RE THE TOWN SEPTIC, I THINK IS IT, OR A, UH, UH, OR A, UM, H O A.
SO WE'D, WE'D HAVE TO HELP SET THOSE THINGS UP AS PART OF A P AND D TO MEET
SO THE TOWN WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THE STREETS NOR, UH, THE ICEO OR, OR MOVE THE SNOW.
UH, ONLY IF IT WOULD BE LIKE, SAY LIKE A TOWN SEPTIC, WHERE THE TOWN, I THINK IS IT, IS THAT CORRECT TERM WHERE THE,
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THE TOWN MANAGE THE MANAGES THE H O A ESSENTIALLY WHERE THE, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD PAY THE TOWN TO MANAGE IT ON THEIR BEHALF AS A H O A TYPE FEE.UH, LIKE IF YOU GO UP INTO LIKE LINDEN WARREN COUNTY AREA, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S APPLICABLE HERE.
I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT I'M AWARE OF.
BUT YEAH, TYPICALLY THIS WOULD BE H O A IS HOW THAT WOULD MANDATED.
WE WOULD REVIEW THAT DURING SITE PLAN, SO AT THE SITE PLAN PROCESS THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THIS BODY.
UM, BUT WE WOULDN'T, IF THE TOWN WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN IT, WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING THE, THOSE STREETS INTO OUR SYSTEM.
COUNSEL WOULD HAVE TO BE THAT, BE THE STATE STANDARDS.
AND SO THIS WOULD HAVE TO GO BEFORE THIS BODY IN COUNSEL MV DOT WOULD GET INVOLVED AS WELL.
IT WOULD BE BETTER IF IT WAS A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND MAINTAINED IT SIMPLY FROM THE SIMPLICITY AND THE EXPENSE OF IT.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S THE IDEA OF PARTS OF THE COMMERCIAL ELEMENTS.
IT MAKES IT SO MUCH EASIER TO INCORPORATE THAT BECAUSE NOW THE COMMERCIAL OBVIOUSLY WANT TO HAVE THOSE MAINTAINED TO ACCESS TO THEIR STORE.
SO THEN THERE'S A LOT MORE INCENTIVE, UH, THERE RATHER THAN JUST HAVING JUST A SIMPLE H O A, SO ABSOLUTELY, THAT'S THE IDEA.
DO YOU ANTICIPATE NEEDING A TURN LANE OFF OF
FROM A VDOT STANDARDS THERE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY A SMALL TURN LANE HERE.
UM, AND YEAH, AND THAT DEPENDS KIND OF ON WHAT ENDS UP BEING.
SO SOME, ONE OF THE OPTIONS WOULDN'T REQUIRE IT FOR PDOT STANDARDS.
THIS ONE WITH A LITTLE BIT HEAVIER COMMERCIAL WOULD REQUIRE THAT TURNOFF LANE.
UH, AND WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT, LOOKED AT THAT AND FACTORED.
SO THAT WOULDN'T BE TERRIBLY TOO DIFFICULT.
'CAUSE YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THE PACKET.
I THINK WE SENT OVER THE PACKET.
WE ALREADY CHECKED WITH VDOT ON THE REQUIREMENT AND THEN THE, THE TRAFFIC, UH, THINGS THAT WOULD GO.
NOW WHERE IS THIS LAND IN RELATION TO THE ACTUAL LEACH RUN? THAT CREEK THAT RUNS ALONG THERE? SO LEACH RUNS HERE, THE CREEK IS RIGHT HERE.
SO YOU'RE NOT IN THE FLOOD PLANE.
FLOOD PLANE IS THIS LIKE VERY LOWER SECTION RIGHT THERE.
IT ACTUALLY HELPS WITH, UM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH LIKE RETENTION PONDS, UM, LIKE DEVELOPMENTS, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY STORM WATER RUNOFF HERE, UH, WE CAN ACTUALLY USE THIS TO OUR ADVANTAGE, UH, TO WHERE WE DON'T NEED, UH, THE, IF WE KEEP ENOUGH GREEN SPACE AND ROOF RUN OFF, UH, WE DON'T ACTUALLY NEED GIANT RETENTION PONDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE CAN ACTUALLY TIE INTO THE STORM DRAIN SYSTEMS. UM, SO WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF RUN THOSE PRELIMINARY CALCULATIONS AND CHECKED WITH, UH, D E Q AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THIS IS 10 ACRES AND YOU'RE PLANNING ON A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL MM-HMM.
WHAT IS YOUR, UH, LIKE FOR THE HOUSES, WHAT'S YOUR, THE SIZE SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE, THE TOWNHOUSES AND THE UPPER LIVING? HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE YOU ANTICIPATING? SURE.
UM, SO THE BUY RIGHT OPTION, 'CAUSE THERE'S AN EXISTING HOUSE IN A FEW OF THOSE LOTS.
WE'D PROBABLY COME UP AROUND 25 OR SO, MAYBE 26 IN RANGE.
UM, IF WE GOT REALLY RECREATED, WE MAYBE FIT ON 27.
UM, THIS WOULD PROBABLY END UP COMING IN RIGHT AROUND 45.
SOMEWHERE IN LIKE THE, I'D SAY 40.
IT, IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE CONDOS TOO, I GUESS.
UM, THAT MAY KIND OF PUSH IT UP INTO LIKE THE FIFTIES RANGE, LIKE 55 RANGE.
ARE THEY GONNA BE LIKE ONE BEDROOM PLACES OR TWO BEDROOM OR THREE BEDROOM? IT WOULD BE A BLEND BECAUSE LIKE WITH THE TRADITIONAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU WANT EVERYTHING FROM UH, POTENTIALLY LIKE JUST A VERY COMMON CONSTRUCTION WORKER OR, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT WORKS AT LIKE A, UH, LIKE MARTIN'S BEING ABLE TO LIVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT.
ALL THE WAY UP TO SOMEBODY THAT'S MAKING THIS MIGHT BE, UH, MORE OF LIKE A FOUR BEDROOM, FIVE BEDROOM HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO YEAH, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE LIKE ONE OR TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS IN HERE.
AND THEN IT SAID YOU HAVE FOUR TO FIVE BEDROOM SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT OF A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING.
SO IF HE DOES THE APARTMENTS OR THE CONDOS AND OUR CODE EACH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT IS THAT IF THE DWELLING UNIT CANNOT BE UNDER 600 SQUARE FEET, BUT AN APARTMENT, IF HE HAS THEM IN AN APARTMENT HOUSE, BY OUR DEFINITION, THE AVERAGE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE UNITS HAS TO BE 300.
SO HE CAN HAVE SOME THAT ARE AS LITTLE AS 250 SQUARE FEET, BUT IT ALL HAS TO AVERAGE OUT TO THREE OH OH.
BUT, UM, THE DWELLING UNITS WOULD HAVE TO AT LEAST BE SIX OH SQUARE FEET.
I MEAN, UH, THE CONDO BALLPARK FIGURE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AS FAR AS LIKE, IN TERMS WHAT THEY WOULD SELL FOR, UM, YEAH, I MEAN THESE WOULD BE, UH, LIKE IF WE'RE GETTING INTO CONDOS, OBVIOUSLY IT'S JUST GONNA BE MARKET RATES.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT REALLY TRYING TO SKEW FROM THOSE THINGS.
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UH, THE LOWER END OF THE MARKET.UM, I DON'T KNOW THOSE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO APOLOGIZE ON THAT ONE.
UM, BUT THEN, YEAH, THE HIGHER END, THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE UPPER LIMIT.
SO I SAID IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE SINGLE FAMILY, I THINK THEY'RE GOING FOR LIKE MAYBE IN THE SIX OF 700 RANGE FOR LIKE A LARGER HOME LIKE THAT.
UM, MAYBE DOWN IN THE CONDO LEVEL YOU MIGHT BE CLOSER TO THE, UH, THE 100 RANGE, IF IT'S A CONDO SALE.
UM, THEY COULD ALSO BE RENTABLE.
SO IT COULD JUST BE STRAIGHT RENT PRICES, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE AT THAT RATE RIGHT NOW.
WHAT ABOUT THE TOWN HOMES? THOSE WOULD BE KIND OF PROBABLY HAPPY MEDIUM, RIGHT IN THE TWOS TO THREES.
SO THAT'S WHERE I SAY IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING IN THE RANGE.
SO IS THAT NOT FULLY FLESHED OUT JUST BECAUSE THIS IS A CONCEPT STILL? UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KIND OF KEEP THOSE BALANCES AND I SAID, THIS IS PROPOSAL, DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THIS IS GONNA WORK.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE AT THAT KIND OF PRELIMINARY JUNCTURE STILL.
SO THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT IS FOR YOU ALL TO LOOK AT THIS AND THEN START GIVING FEEDBACK, UM, AS TO WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
I KNOW IT'S EARLY PHASES, EARLY TIMES YET, BUT FEEDBACK EARLY.
WOULD YOU BE USING LOCAL TALENT? YEAH, THAT'S THE INVENTION.
YEAH, I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE TO GET SOMEBODY FROM LIKE, YOU KNOW, HALFWAY ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
LIKE MYSELF, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, UH, I HAVE A CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING FIRM, LUX FOUNDATION SOLUTIONS YOU PROBABLY MAY HAVE SEEN.
UH, SO YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S THE INTENTION, JUST TO GET LOCAL.
I LIVE HERE, LOCAL, JOHN, MYSELF, UH, JOHN BEHIND YOU THERE ALSO IS LOCAL.
UM, SO LIKE I LIVE, UH, MY KIDS GO, UH, DOWN THE 23RD OVER HERE.
AND, UH, I LIVE IN JUST, JUST OUTSIDE OF WARREN COUNTY AND STEVEN CITY.
SO, BUT A LOT OF MY, UH, A LOT OF MY DAY-TO-DAY LIFES, UH, YOU KNOW, HERE FOR ROYAL JOHN, UH, HIMSELF IS ALL LOCAL.
USING THAT NETWORK TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THIS DONE.
THIS, THIS ISN'T YOUR PROBLEM, THIS IS MY PROBLEM.
BUT, UH, YOU MENTIONED WHERE YOUR KIDS GO TO SCHOOL.
I'M A ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TEACHER AND I'M THINKING, WHERE THE HELL ARE WE GONNA PUT THESE KIDS
AND, AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM.
I, YOU KNOW, I, I NEED TO LOOK AT THE COUNTY'S COMP PLAN BECAUSE WE NEEDED ANOTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL YESTERDAY, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE THE CHALLENGES NOT HAVE ANY PURVIEW TO THE SCHOOLS.
WE CERTAINLY HEAR FROM OUR PARTNERS THAT WE'RE CAUSING THEM A PROBLEM.
WELL, THERE'S A, THERE'S, YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT I HAVE TO HEAR EVERY DAY WHEN I WALK INTO WORK.
BUT THE TOWN AND COUNTY ALSO JOINTLY HAVE DETERMINED THAT THE TOWN IS THE GROWTH AREA FOR RESIDENTIAL.
UM, I MEAN, I'LL ADD A LITTLE NOTE TO THAT THOUGH TOO.
PART OF THE REASON, IF WE JUST SAID STRAIGHT RESIDENTIAL BY RIGHT, RIGHT.
THAT'S KIND OF ALREADY ANTICIPATED LOAD, UM, ONTO THE SCHOOLS WHERE THIS PART OF THE REASON ALSO HAVING COMMERCIAL ELEMENTS, WE'RE USING THOSE WHERE IT'S NOT QUITE AS MUCH RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.
SO NOW WE'RE HAVING COMMERCIAL, WE'RE LITERALLY JUST SERVING A LOT OF THAT ALREADY EXISTING AND USING BETTER USAGE OF THAT LAND.
COMMERCIAL'S NOT GONNA RESULT IN SCHOOL KIDS AND NEITHER IS REALLY CONDO.
AND THAT, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THAT FOR BOTH.
WELL, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE SECOND ONE YET.
WAIT, THERE'S MORE, THERE'S MORE DOOR NUMBER THREE.
YOU WANNA SEE OPTION TWO, SO YOU WANT YEAH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS ONE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL ASPECT OF THIS.
UM, THE ONE YOU CAN DO TOMORROW ONLY HAS IS ALLOTTED LIKE 22 HOUSES.
22 PLUS SOME OF THE EXISTING HOUSES.
THIS ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRIPLING THAT NUMBER, UH, ABOUT DOUBLING, IT'S CLOSER TO PROBABLY DOUBLING MAYBE LIKE YEAH, 2.25.
SO YOU'RE DOUBLING THE NUMBER MM-HMM.
BUT IF YOU'RE DOUBLING THE NUMBER, HOW IS THAT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE WATER TO, UH, THE ELECTRIC? SO WHAT AFTER SAY HE, SO HE SUBMITS THE REZONING, RIGHT? THEN THE NEXT STEP IS THAT THEY GO TO SITE PLAN SUBMISSION AND THEIR SITE PLAN, THAT'S WHERE THEY'LL SHOW US LIKE THE PIPE SIZES, HOW THEY CONNECT INTO TOWN UTILITIES.
THEY HAVE TO PAY SYSTEM DEVELOPMENT FEES.
SO THEY HAVE TO PAY AROUND NINE, $10,000 PER UNIT TO TIE INTO THE TOWN SYSTEM PUBLIC WORKS FOR VIEWS SIS, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SUPPLY WATER, UM, ENERGY SERVICES.
OUR ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT REVIEWS THIS, THE COUNTY REVIEWS IT.
SO WE HAVE AN EXTENSIVE ABOUT A FOUR TO SIX MONTH PROCESS WHERE WE GET INTO THE WEEDS AS TO HOW FEASIBLE THIS IS.
AND WITH THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF IT AS WELL.
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THAT'S, I'M LOOKING AT THAT TOO.IS THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT GONNA REQUIRE A MORE STRICT CODE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND SO IN THE, AND WITH US, WE GIVE ZONING APPROVAL IS THE USE APPROPRIATE? RIGHT.
THEN THE COUNTY STARTS GOING INTO BUILDING CODE, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE FOLLOWING OKAY.
AND I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU A COUPLE.
WE ACTUALLY DID SIT DOWN WITH, UH, UH, WELL, UH, THE PUBLIC WORKS, UH, FOLKS, AND WE ACTUALLY HAD A NICE MEETING, UH, TALKING ABOUT THIS JUST BECAUSE WE WANTED TO DO THOSE PRELIMINARY CHECKS.
UH, SO THEY ACTUALLY, UH, APPRECIATED THIS FROM A COMMERCIAL ELEMENT BECAUSE ONE THING THAT WE'LL BE DOING, UM, BOTH ON NORTH VIEW AND LEACH RUN IS THERE'S NO REDUNDANCY LOOPS UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THIS WILL ACTUALLY REDUNDANT LOOP AS WE PULL IN UTILITIES, AND THEN YOU'LL ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, DUAL ACCESS IN THAT REGARD.
SO FOR THAT COMMERCIAL ELEMENT, THAT'S HOW IT WOULD BE SATISFIED.
UM, SO IT ACTUALLY IS A VERY FAVORABLE FOR THAT REASON.
SO, AND MOST OF YOUR STORM DRAIN, AS I SAID, WATER, EVERYTHING IS HERE INDEPENDENTLY.
THERE'S ALSO A SECONDARY ONE UP TOP.
SO THEN BY THE TIME THE TWO TIE TOGETHER, ALL THAT'S LOOKING VERY GOOD.
UM, ANY OTHER QUICK QUESTIONS OR I CAN GO OVER THIS, THIS OPTION? YEAH.
SO THIS, UH, THIS WOULD BE OPTION TWO, WHICH WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS DENSE ON THE COMMERCIAL AND A LITTLE BIT MORE FAVORABLE TO THE RESIDENTIAL STILL RIGHT AROUND THAT SAME, UM, I THINK THIS ONE WAS LIKE 47 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
UM, SO THESE WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILIES, SOME DUPLEXES IN HERE, UM, SOME SIDE BY SIDE.
SO THESE WOULD BE CONSIDERED ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILIES.
UM, THESE WOULD BE STANDALONE SINGLE FAMILIES.
UH, THIS WOULD BE YOUR, UH, UH, CLUBHOUSE, MAYBE RESTAURANT, UH, THERE'S A POOL BEHIND HERE AS WELL.
AND THEN THIS WOULD BE YOUR, UM, GENERAL COMMERCIAL USE.
SO IT KIND OF FITS WITHIN THE, UH, IN THE RESIDENTIAL LOOK.
COULD BE OFFICE USE, COULD BE SMALL CAFE, UH, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
SO, UH, BUT WE WANTED TO KIND OF OFFER A COUPLE DIFFERENT DISTINCT OPTIONS THERE, UH, TO KIND OF COVER SLIGHTLY MORE RESIDENTIAL IF YOU DIDN'T WEREN IN FAVOR OF THE COMMERCIAL OR, UM, OR AS SAID, IF THE, THE COMMERCIAL WAS MORE FAVORABLE.
THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF SEE A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH OPTIONS.
BUT, UH, BOTH ARE TOTALLY FEASIBLE.
I SAID JUST KIND OF GETTING A ROUGH ORDER MAGNITUDE AND KIND OF MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION AND, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THESE ARE THE GENERAL INTENTIONS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO.
I, I READ THROUGH THE PILE OF PAPER, WHICH WE, WE GOT, UM, I READ IT ON THE COMPUTER, WHICH MEANS I DIDN'T HAVE A HARD COPY DOWN TAPE.
AND I'M SORRY IF THERE'S ANY TEXT.
THE THING IS, I, I THINK I REMEMBER SEEING SOMETHING ABOUT A GAS STATION.
I WOULDN'T BUILD A GAS STATION.
I ADDRESSED IN, IN THIS, IF I'M NOT WRONG, UH, ABOUT GAS STATIONS, BUT IT COULDN'T BE A CAR LOT AND HAVE VEHICLE REPAIR BODY SHOPS THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.
BUT THEY ALSO ARTICULATED THAT THAT WASN'T DO THAT.
IT'S IN THE P AND D, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S SOME SAFEGUARDS IN P AND D THAT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO JUST GO OFF THE RAILS.
SO I, I, SO YEAH, SO YOU'D HAVE, SO WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY REZONING, AND THEN WE WOULD GO INTO A FULL ACTUAL, UM, CONCEPT PLAN THAT GOES, SO THIS IS JUST CONCEPT THAT WE'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO A FULL SITE PLAN AND THAT WOULD'VE TO BE APPROVED.
SO THERE'S ACTUALLY REDUNDANCIES BUILT IN THERE THAT, THAT WE CAN'T JUST LIKE COMPLETELY, MASSIVELY CHANGE THIS.
AND THEN YEAH, IT BECOMES A THEME PARK OR A GAS STATION, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
SORRY, WE ALREADY HAVE OUR SHOWS
SO YOU'RE, UM, I THINK YOU POINTED TO THE, UM, UH, TOP LEFT THERE WOULD BE YOUR COMMERCIAL.
AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING WITH THE MODEL OF THE BUSINESS ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND APARTMENTS.
SO THE, UM, I DON'T YOU HAVE A HOME OWNERSHIP ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE BUSINESS, BUT YEAH, SO THE, THE, AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE ALL KNOW THAT, UH, DOWN HERE ON HAPPY CREEK ROAD, THAT'S PROBABLY YOUR MOST BUSY GOING DOWN TOWARDS THE HOSPITAL.
UM, AND IT WOULDN'T REALLY MAKE MUCH SENSE TO HAVE A BIG HEAVY LOAD OF THE TRAFFIC, UH, COMING FROM THESE UPPER ROADS WHERE NORTHVIEW IS.
SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF KEEP THOSE CLOSER TO THE ROADWAY SO IT'S EASY ON OFF AND NOT TOO DIFFICULT FOR THAT REASON.
UM, AND THEN, YEAH, THERE ARE POTENTIALLY SOME RESIDENTIAL, OR IT COULD BE OLD POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL, I SAID STILL A LITTLE BIT UP IN THE AIR ON THAT ONE.
UH, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE GENERAL INTENTION AND THAT OVER THERE.
BUT THE UPSTAIRS WOULD BE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, IT, IT WOULD BE, AS I SAID, SIMILAR TO LIKE YOU WOULD SEE IN DOWNTOWN.
SOME MAY BE COMPLETELY COMMERCIAL, SOME MIGHT BE RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT COULD GO KIND OF EITHER WAY, EITHER WAY.
IT'S JUST A GENERAL COMMERCIAL USE IN THAT REGARDS.
IT'D BE HARD UNLESS YOU PUT AN ELEVATOR IN THE UNIT FOR A D A, BUT RIGHT.
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IT COULD, IT COULD BE OFFICES UPSTAIRS AND THEN A RESTAURANT DOWNSTAIRS.AS LONG AS YOU DON'T SERVE THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC HAS TO ACCESS YOU OH, THE UPSTAIRS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A REQUIREMENT, BUT I, YEAH.
AND, AND THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, UM, I MEAN IT'S LARGE ENOUGH, YOU COULD EASILY PUT IN A SMALL ELEVATOR.
I, THE ONLY PARKING I SEE IS OVER IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND SECTION.
SO THESE HOUSES HAVE JUST THEIR DRIVEWAY AND A GARAGE.
I'M GETTING OUT OBVIOUSLY IN NEEDS, BUT ANY PARKING I COULD SEE OF BEING INSURED SUPPLY IN THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA.
'CAUSE THE STREET SIGN CAN BE WIDE ENOUGH TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO PARK ON THE STREET.
SO LIKE I WAS SAYING BEFORE, SOME OF THESE WILL HAVE GARAGES.
UM, SOME OF 'EM HAVE LIKE UNDERGROUND GARAGES OR UH, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THEM VERY WELL.
UM, AND THEN EVEN HERE ON THIS LOWER, BY THE TIME YOU BUILD UP TERRACING, YOU COULD EVEN BUILD LIKE UNDERGROUND PARKING OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THE IDEA OF THIS IS ALSO TO TRY TO HIDE AS MUCH OF THE PARKING.
AND THEN THAT WAY YOU CAN ALSO HAVE, UM, HAS SAID MORE GREEN SPACE.
SO THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF COUNTERBALANCE THE TWO IS TRY TO, UM, STACK THE HOUSES UNDERNEATH.
SO UNDERGROUND PARKING RUNS UP YOUR COST A LOT.
WHAT'S THAT? DOESN'T UNDERGROUND PARKING RUN UP YOUR COST A LOT? IF YOU WERE, SO THAT WOULD BE, AGAIN, IF WE EXCAVATE A TON, WHEREAS WHEN WE'RE DOING THE CUT AND FILL APPROACH, YOU'RE, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT, BUT LIKE, THE EASIEST WAY IS YOU'RE ALREADY ON A SLOPE AND ABANK, MAN, YOU'RE BUILDING THE FOUNDATION WALLS OFF IT, SO THEY'RE PARTIALLY EXPOSED.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO DO PARTIALLY UNDERGROUND PARKING IN THAT REGARD.
SO BECAUSE YOU GOTTA BUILD THE FOUNDATION ANYWAYS.
AND, UH, IT'S JUST STARTING KIND OF BUILT IN THAT WAY AND LIVED IN, WE DON'T REGULATE WHERE LIKE EACH HOUSE HAS TO HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES.
I DON'T REGULATE, BUT RIGHT, RIGHT.
DRIVEWAY WHERE THEY'RE, AS LONG AS THEY'RE THERE, SOME ARE TWO, TWO PARKING SPACES FOR A HOUSE THAT HAS TEENAGERS, BUT WHO'S NOT ADEQUATE.
I ONCE LIVED IN A HOUSE THAT HAD A, A BASEMENT GARAGE TO GET FROM THE BASEMENT UP TO THE ALLEY.
I MEAN, IT WAS AN ANGLE LIKE THIS.
AND WE LIVED THERE FOR FOUR YEARS AND WE NEVER PUT THE CAR IN THE GARAGE.
THE OTHER, I GUESS THE OTHER THING TOO IS, UM, USE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
I THINK THIS DESIGN, I THINK WE INCLUDED, UM, THERE WAS ALSO MAYBE A BUCK BUS PARKING OR SOME, UH, ONE OF THESE, SO THAT WAY YOU WISH YOUR TROLLEY TROLLEY STOP HERE.
SO LIKE WE HAVE, I THINK IT'S THE TROLLEY THAT RUNS THROUGH TOWN, MAYBE DO SOME PUBLIC PICKUP, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND AGAIN, SOME OF THESE MIGHT ALSO HAVE MORE SINGLE, UH, SINGLE BEDROOM.
SO IT MIGHT BE MORE FOR THE COLLEGE STUDENTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE THERE'S CO COWORK, UH, CO-SHARING OF CARS, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S MORE WALKABILITY, TRY TO ENCOURAGE THAT SO THAT WAY WE'RE ALSO REDUCING TRAFFIC.
UM, THAT'S JUST, AGAIN, THAT'S THE POINT OF TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A PLACE FOR OUR TEACHERS TO LIVE.
50% OF 'EM LIVE ARE, I THINK I LIKE OPTION ONE BETTER.
I THINK WITH MORE MARSHALL YOU MEAN I LIKE OPTION ONE BECAUSE OF MIX THE WALKABILITY FACTOR, THE, THE COMMUNITY.
YOU CAN STAY THERE AND GET WHAT YOU NEED THERE.
AND YOU'VE GOT THOSE TWO BUILDINGS IN THIS.
HOW DO YOU ALL FEEL? DO WE HAVE AN OPTION, DREW? I'M LOOKING.
OH, NO, WE'RE HEARING FEEDBACK.
SO I SAID, I MEAN, WE WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN'S GONNA ALLOW.
SO THE FIRST OPTION, QUITE FRANKLY IS MORE TOURIST FRIENDLY, BECAUSE YOU HAD MENTIONED ABOUT THE AIRBNBS AND ALL THAT.
SOMEBODY OWNS A CONDO, THEY RENTED OUT SHORT TERM RENTAL.
WELL, I THINK THE, CAN WE FLIP BACK TO THAT SCREEN? I'M TOTALLY DOWN WITH THAT.
COME LEAVE YOUR MONEY AND LEAVE MY TOWN.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HAPPENING ALREADY.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE FEW KEY'S, THE NATURE OF OUR LIFE.
I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A ABANDONMENT BECAUSE I COULD SEE THAT BEING A PLACE THAT PEOPLE WOULD REALLY, REALLY WANNA LIVE.
DO YOU LIKE THE MIX OF THE ADDITIONAL COMMERCIALS? I LIKE THE MIX OF THE HOUSING BECAUSE OF THE AFFORDABILITY.
WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR LAST OPTION, THAT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA START AT 300,000 IN YOU, LIKE THE ADDITIONAL CONDOS AND THE, THE CONDOS.
UH, THE ONE PERHAPS IN ONE BEDROOMS. AND, AND I DIDN'T ASK YOU ON THE COMMERCIAL AGAIN, ARE WE TALKING TWO STORY WHERE WE MIGHT BE PUTTING APARTMENTS ABOVE THEM? YEAH, THESE ONES PARTICULARLY ARE, UM, THESE ONES ARE WHAT WE CALL SHOP HOUSES, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE SHOPS ON THE LOWER LEVEL RESIDENTIAL ON THE UPPER LEVEL.
SO THAT WAY YOU CAN HAVE A BUILDING OWNER RUN THEIR BUSINESS AND BY DAY, JUST LIKE THE OLD MAINSTREAM.
JUST LIKE THE OLD MAIN STREET YOU, YOU HAD MENTIONED, BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU DID THAT
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ONE OF THOSE BIGGER UNITS, YOU WERE T BETWEEN WITH THEY BEING LIKE A, UM, LIKE A, A NICER END MOTEL.I SAID THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA, UM, HOW THAT WOULD EVER END UP PLAYING OUT.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL OUT TO RIVERTON COMMONS.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, THEY SEEM TO BE BUSY ALL THE TIME, BUT YOU WOULD DO YOUR OWN BUSINESS STUDY AND DECIDE IF THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO OR YOU MIGHT TURN THAT INTO CONDOMINIUM MIGHT.
YEAH, AND PART OF IT TOO, I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT A HOTEL OPERATOR.
SO IF IT WAS HOTEL, IT'D BE ALSO ATTRACTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE THAT COULD HELP US, YOU KNOW, WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN AT MINIMUM THAT'S WHERE WE'RE KIND OF SEEING WHO WOULD COME TO THE TABLE AS FAR AS TO HELP US ACHIEVE THIS, THIS TYPE OF A DEVELOPMENT AND MAKE SURE WE CAN KIND OF SEE THAT OCCUR.
ONE QUESTION YOU'RE GONNA GET, IF THIS GOES TO COUNCIL FROM ONE COUNCILMAN, CAN YOU GET A FIRETRUCK THROUGH THERE? MM-HMM.
I MEAN, I'M THINKING A LADDER TRUCK EVEN.
DO YOU HAVE THE THREE D RENDERINGS BY CHANCE? I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, YEAH, THIS ONE DEFINITELY IN PARTICULAR HAS A QUITE A BIT.
THESE ARE A SLOPE ROADWAYS, SO THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM.
SO THIS WOULD BE YOUR SINGLE FAMILIES AND THIS WOULD BE OPTION ONE HERE? I THINK THEY WERE IN YOUR PACKET.
YEAH, IT WAS IN THE PACKET FOR SURE.
YEAH, IT SHOULD BE IN ALL YOUR PAPERWORK OVERLOOK.
AND SO PART OF THAT SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS, WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS TO THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY SENDS IT OVER TO THE FIRE MARSH'S OFFICE.
SO JARED, I HAD GO ISSUES COMMENTS, I JUST LOOK AT 'EM FROM A PICTURE AND I'M TRYING TO THINK, YOU'VE GOT THIS 60 FOOT VEHICLE TRYING TO THAT'S PLENTY.
AND THEY CAN ALSO, UM, ONE THING YOU CAN USE IS, UH, THE CURBS AS WELL.
UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T ACCOUNT FOR CURBS.
IF THE CURBS ARE LOW ENOUGH, YOU CAN POP THE TRUCKS, UH, UP ON THE CURBS IF NECESSARY.
SO YOU GUYS CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THIS, THE CONDO, ARE THE CONDOS GONNA BE ALLOTTED WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? OR PARKING SPACE OR TWO FOR CONDO? IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE DENSITY AND IT, IT TURNS INTO A AIRBNB.
HOW IS THAT GONNA AFFECT THE PARKING FOR THAT UNIT? WELL, WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE.
WE'RE WORKING ON THAT AT THE MOMENT.
WE HAVE, WELL WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE NOW, AND LAUREN CORRECT.
HAS WRITTEN IT'S UH, UH, A PARKING SPOT FOR EVERY BEDROOM.
BUT THE TOWN COUNCIL HAS OVERRULED THAT LIKE THE LAST TWO TIMES.
WHEREAS THREE BEDROOM HOUSE, THEY ONLY HAVE TWO ON SITE.
AND THEY SAID, OH, THAT'S OKAY.
EVEN THOUGH THEY ORDERED, THAT'S NOT, YEAH, THAT'S NOT YOUR PROB I MEAN, UNTIL WE CHANGE IT.
BUT THEY DECIDED, AND THERE WOULD'VE COME TO NOT A FOLDER IS SELECT CASE.
UH, I'LL JUST ADD A QUICK COMMENT ON LIKE THAT.
SO IF IT ENDS UP BEING MORE OF LIKE THE HOTEL AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS, IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT TRAFFIC, UH, MOST OF THE TIME LONG-TERM LIKE RESIDENCE, THEY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE, MORE VEHICLES WHERE THINGS LIKE HOTELS, RIGHT? THEY'RE RENTING OR THEY'RE OFTEN BEING SHUTTLED IN, UH, YOUR CAR USES ACTUALLY LESS.
SO IF WE DO HOTEL USE LESS PARKING'S REQUIRED, UH, VERSUS CONDO, YOU'LL ACTUALLY NEED SLIGHTLY MORE.
SO EITHER WAY, I MEAN, IT'S ALL ACCOUNTED FOR.
WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF RAN THOSE TYPICALLY HOTELS ROOM.
WHEREAS CONDO COULD BE TWO BEDROOMS FOR RIGHT.
I SAID THESE, THESE WOULD BE VERY EASY TO ACCOMMODATE UNDERGROUND PARKING UNDER THESE, UM, A LOT PLACES.
YOU, YOU'RE NOT THINKING ASSISTED LIVING.
SO I MEAN, THERE MAY BE PEOPLE THAT ARE ATTRACTED TO THIS AND YOU KNOW, IN A COMMENT, YOU THINK A SENIOR, NO, THIS WOULDN'T BE A SENIOR, IT WOULDN'T BE DESIGNATED AS 55 OR OLDER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THIS WOULD JUST BE KIND OF, AND EVERYTHING'S TWO STORY OR MORE, RIGHT? YEAH.
I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANYTHING LESS THAN TWO STORIES.
BUT YOU COULD SEE THEY'RE ALSO CA THAT PROBABLY ABOUT, I THINK THIS PROBABLY GETS THREE STORIES, I BELIEVE HERE IN THOSE PARAPETS, BUT IT'S ABOUT THE YEAH, ABOUT THE HEIGHT THERE.
IS THERE A, A SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT AROUND HERE THAT IF WE WANT TO TAKE A RIDE AND LOOK AT, WE COULD, UM, YEAH, I MEAN TRADITIONAL, I MEAN, I SAID THESE ARE TRADITIONAL.
SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT ANYWHERE IN VIRGINIA, YOU GO TO WILLIAMSBURG, YOU GO TO MIDDLEBURG, YOU GO TO LITTLE WASHINGTON.
I MEAN THAT'S THE ETHOS OF COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG AND THE WHOLE COLONIAL ERA.
RIGHT? SO IT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IN THE IN, AND THIS IS NEW THE WAY YOU'RE PROPOSING LIKE THIS, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY LOCALLY SHOULD SO
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THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR TRADITIONAL DESIGN, UM, THERE'S A LORTON DOES.AND THERE'S QUA, THERE'S A, THERE'S SEVERAL DOWN THAT WAY.
BUT, UM, LIKE PLACES LIKE FLORIDA, THERE'S A FEW IN MARYLAND WHERE THEY'RE COMPLETELY DESIGNED AROUND THIS AND, AND MOST OF EUROPE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
BUT, UM, IT'S JUST UNIQUE THIS, SO LIKE IN THE COMP PLAN WHERE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT SMALL TOWN CHARM AND, AND HOW MUCH THEY LOVE THE DOWNTOWN AND THE CHARACTER THAT THAT ADDS OUR CURRENT ZONING SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE DON'T REALLY ALLOW US TO RECREATE THAT.
LIKE THE MAIN STREET, UM, P AND D ZONE GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY AND IT ALLOWS THEM TO GET FAIRLY CLOSE TO THAT TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN.
INCORPORATING THE BUSINESS CERTAINLY HELPS US FROM THE STANDPOINT OF OUR, OUR, OUR TAX REVENUES AND LACK OF OR NO IMPACT UPON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, WHICH OUR COUNTY PARTNERS SHOULD APPRECIATE.
I THINK I ESPECIALLY LOVE OPTION ONE.
I THINK IT'S REALLY JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, THIS IS OPTION ONE, RIGHT? NO, THIS THIS ONE THOUGH.
THIS ONE'S WHAT WE'RE CALLING OPTION ONE.
THAT'S THE MIXTURE OF THE COMMERCIAL.
THIS IS A REZONING, NOT THIS BE REZO.
WELL THIS ISN'T CHANGE THE ORDINANCE AND THEN WE GET TO THE RE BY RIGHT.
UM, CURRENTLY DOES NOT ALLOW THEM TO PUT ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL.
YOU CAN'T PUT ANY TOGETHER IN RESIDENTIAL ON THOSE PARCELS.
ALRIGHT, ANY MORE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE TEXT AMENDMENT REQUEST? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? WHEN WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO, THEY PUT THE APPLICATION IN FOR THE REZONING IN FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT.
WOULD, WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE STAFF TO BRING THIS TO PUBLIC HEARING AS I HAVEN'T GONE AHEAD AND ADVERTISED YET.
I WANTED TO GET A WORK SESSION AND GET SOME FEEDBACK BEFORE WE MOVE IT FORWARD.
WELL, WHAT MORE DO WE NEED TO WHEN WE CHANGE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE ORDINANCE GONNA AFFECT THE ENTIRE TOWN.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO LET OUR BUILDERS ASSOCIATION TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
I MEAN, I, I AT, WE LIKE TO INVITE THEM TO UH, OR COME TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING, WHATEVER.
I MEAN, I LIKE WHAT THEY'RE PROJECTING.
SO, UM, YOUR OPTION WOULD BE THEN YOU CAN HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION AND INVITE THE BUILDER'S ASSOCIATION OR YOU, WE MOVE IT TO PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU LET THEM KNOW THIS IS AN ITEM ON PUBLIC HEARING.
THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME AND, AND SPEAK AND PROVIDE THEIR INPUT.
AND I, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BETTER WAY TO GO.
I JUST THINK THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AND UH, HOPEFULLY GET THEIR SUPPORT.
I WOULD THINK THIS OPENS THINGS UP TO THEM AS WELL.
YOU OPEN UP MEETING? I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY CONCERNS OF THAT.
UH, WE'RE HERE TO, I SAID JUST HERE TO TALK AND WORK WITH Y'ALL.
AND ARE YOU GUYS PART OF THE GOLD'S ASSOCIATION? WELL, MAYBE I SHOULD BE
DO YOU HAVE YOUR CARDS BY THE WAY? I DON'T, I DON'T.
I CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU ONE FROM THE CAR.
SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN DO CON CAN WE DO WE TRYING TO DO CONSENT TO ADVERTISE FOR THE OCTOBER MEETING.
WE DON'T HAVE TO ADVERTISE IN A NEWSPAPER.
UM, YEAH, WE CAN PUT, I MEAN WE, WHY DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR AN OCTOBER REGULAR MEETING AS OF YET.
BUT IF YOU WANNA HOLD THE MEETING TO ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC HEARING IN NOVEMBER, WE CAN DO THAT.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YEAH.
BUT ESSENTIALLY WE'D BE SHOWING UP TO JUST SAY, HEY, WE'RE MOVING THIS REZONING IN THIS TEXT AMENDMENT.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF MOVING ALONG SO THAT WE DON'T YEAH, OKAY.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN VOTE AT THIS MEETING WITHOUT GEORGE HERE.
SO TYPICALLY WE DON'T VOTE AT A WORK SESSION, OTHERWISE I'D SAY WE RIGHT.
I THINK WE CAN JUST HOLD THE MEETING IN OCTOBER.
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OKAY.YEAH, WE CAN
AND THEN YOU WANT US, DO YOU WANNA REACH OUT TO THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION THEN AND LET THEM KNOW THAT WE'LL BE, I SEE HIM PRACTICALLY EVERY DAY.
UM, AND WE'LL, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'LL ADVERTISE IT FOR STATE CODE EVEN.
I MEET OUR, MEET OUR LEGAL REQUIREMENTS BUT IT'D BE NICE TO MOVE AHEAD.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT FROM THE APPLICANT OR PROFFER? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE?
I DON'T IS THERE ANY IDEA ON WHAT THE H O A MIGHT WIND UP BE OR IS THAT WAY TOO WAY TOO EARLY? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I DON'T HAVE EXACT, BUT WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? LIKE YOU, YOU HAD MENTIONED UM, AN H O A POSSIBLY BEING PAID TO THE TOWN.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT MIGHT, OBVIOUSLY IT DEPENDS ON WHICH, WHICH ONE OF THESE YOU PICK.
YEAH, I MEAN YOU WOULD EITHER HAVE A TRADITIONAL H O A THAT YOU WOULD FIND IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD OR WHICH IS JUST KIND OF SELF-SUSTAINING ON ITS OWN.
UM, WHICH I MEAN IF YOU GO MORE TOWARDS THAT OPTION ONE WOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY BE THE IDEAL VERSION.
'CAUSE AGAIN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OWNERS THAT'RE PROBABLY GONNA WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL OVER THINGS.
AND THE MORE OPTION TWO, UH, IT COULD KIND OF GO EITHER WAY.
AS I SAID, THERE ARE, AS I, I DON'T KNOW IF DOES TOWN HAVE THE SEPTICS? I KNOW THE COUNTY DOES.
THERE'S I THINK BARD HILL ROAD SANITARY DISTRICT.
UM, NO, THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE A SAN OKAY.
SO THEN I GUESS IT WOULD JUST BE EITHER WAY IT WOULD JUST BE A TRADITIONAL H O A IS WHAT WE'D END UP FORMING, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY P AND D.
SO THAT WOULD MAINTAIN THE, UM, COMMON COMMON AREAS, COMMONS THE ROADS, MAKE SURE THERE'S NO PLOW AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
AND THAT MADE ME THINK ABOUT A QUESTION I DIDN'T ASK YOU EARLIER.
DO YOU KNOW AT THIS POINT, IS IT TOO EARLY IN THE GAME TO KNOW
SO I THINK IN THE PACKET WE ALREADY CHECKED WITH VDOT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, SO WE'RE WAY UNDER THE THRESHOLD FOR GETTING FULL TRAFFIC STUDIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE A MINIMUM OF 5,000 TRIPS A DAY TO TRIGGER THAT.
AND WE'RE AT ABOUT 1500 AND SOME CHANGE.
SO WE, AND I DIDN'T INCLUDE ALL OF THAT IN THIS PACKET.
I WANTED YOU TO JUST GET AN INTRODUCTION TO KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO AND GET FEEDBACK BEFORE I
BUT I KNOW WHERE THINGS END UP NOW, BUT THERE'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, 300 PLUS PAGES YOU WANT, YOU WANT THE BINDER, IT'S ABOUT THAT THING.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ANTICIPATE YOUR, YOUR BACK ENTRANCE.
THE NEIGHBORS OPPOSING THAT, BUT THE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN PEOPLE BEING CONCERNED ABOUT INCREASING THE TRAFFIC, OBVIOUSLY I'M HAPPY WITH.
WELL THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TALKED TO SOME PEOPLE AND THEY ACTUALLY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO POTENTIALLY CUT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD MM-HMM.
SO YOU, YOU'RE MAKING CONNECTION WENT UP ON THE YEAH, YOU GOTTA GO DOWN AROUND THE RIVER BARRIER.
THE DRIVE THROUGH IS EASY AND OPTION, OPTION ONE AS IT WAS IN THIS ONE.
YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH ON EITHER ONE.
THEY'RE ALL CONNECTED FOR FIRE FOR MORE EVIDENT TIER THAN THAT BY RIGHT.
WOULDN'T THEY WOULD JUST BE KIND OF SUBMARINED INTO ITS COPY THERE.
DO YOU WANT A QUICK COMP OR A ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE? SURE, SURE.
I'LL BE BRINGING YOU ALL A DRAFT, HOPEFULLY DECEMBER-ISH.
I'M GONNA HAVE A MEETING, UH, WITH SUMMIT LATER THIS WEEK TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT PROGRESS.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE WORKING ON ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS LIKE OUR LEGAL AUTHORITY AND PLACES WHERE OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AREN'T IN LINE WITH STATE CODES.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT LEGISLATION, OUR AUTHORITY, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S THE PORTION THEY'RE ON.
NOW THE NEXT STEP IS THEY'RE GONNA ACTUALLY START WRITING THE DIFFERENT ZONES.
UM, BUT THE GOAL IS TO HAVE A DRAFT IN ABOUT DECEMBER OR JANUARY AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE'LL DECIDE AS A BOARD.
DO YOU WANT THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT ALL AT ONCE OR DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST BRING YOU A COUPLE CHAPTERS AT A TIME? HOW Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO DRAFT? I LIKE PIECEMEAL BUT I WILL TELL YOU NOW JUST THE OUTLINE IS 126 PAGES.
I LIKE THE LITTLE BIT AT A TIME OPTION, BUT YOU WILL NEED TO GO LINE BY LINE.
WELL WE HAVE A, WELL WE HAVE A, THE FORMAT WHERE I'M ON ONE SIDE OF THE PAGES, THE EXISTING AND ONE SIDE IS THE PROPOSED CHANGES.
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BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN WHAT IS, WE'RE WRITING A WHOLE NEW ORDINANCE.I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE TWO.
UNLIKE YOUR CHICKEN ORDINANCE.
ANY FURTHER CHANGES? MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE TO ADJOURN.