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[Town Council Work Session on October 2, 2023.]
CALL TO MEET.CALL THE TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION MEETING ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 2ND.
MS. KRESSLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR RO.
SO OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS ARE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE SLATED FOR OCTOBER 23RD.
AND THE FIRST ONE WAS A BAR APPEAL, UM, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 2 0 7 CLOUD STREET FROM DON WEBER.
UM, JUST SO LET, JUST FOR A REMINDER TO YOU GUYS, SO THIS CAME BEFORE US A MONTH AGO, AND, UM, UH, THE APPELLANT HAD ASKED FOR, UM, TO DEFERRED IT, DEFER IT, AND, UH, MR. WELTZ DID DO THAT.
AND SO THEY HAVE ACTUALLY ASKED AGAIN.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY DIVERTED, UH, ONE MONTH.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS THAT TONIGHT.
AND THAT WILL BE, UH, FOR OCTOBER 23RD, PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT.
SO, UM, MS. CAPISH, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK? I KNOW YOU ACTUALLY, UM, TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST MONTH, BUT, UH, JUST MAYBE GIVE EVERYBODY A QUICK LITTLE REFRESHER AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT, FOR THIS APPEAL? UM, PLANNING AND ZONING RECEIVED A CALL ON APRIL 27TH.
WHEN WE GOT THERE, WE NOTICED THAT THE METAL ROOF HAD BEEN REMOVED FROM THE STRUCTURE.
A CHIMNEY HAD BEEN REMOVED, AND, UM, THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING THE TAR PAPER ON AND THEY WERE GETTING READY TO SHINGLE THE ROOF.
UM, SO I ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER.
UM, AND THEY CAME IN, SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, AND STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL.
UH, BASED ON THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES, THE BAR ENDED UP DENYING THE APPLICATION.
SO THEY HAVE SUBMITTED AN APPEAL TO COUNSEL AND I CAN TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR LAUREN AT THIS TIME, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF, UM, LIKE VOTES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'LL BE HELD AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY MIGHT WANNA ASK OR ANYTHING THAT MAYBE SHE CAN GET SOME INFORMATION FOR US SO THAT WHEN WE DO, UM, HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING WHERE WE'LL TAKE ACTION ON THE 23RD, YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
DID THEY GIVE ANY SPECIFIC REASONS OR ANY ADDITIONAL REASONS FOR POSTPONING IT AGAIN OR, UM, POSTPONING IT? NO.
WHEN I CALLED HER TO REMIND HER THAT THIS WAS THE NIGHT OF THE, UM, WORK SESSION THAT SHE HAD REQUESTED, SHE JUST SIMPLY STATED SHE HADN'T REALIZED THAT IT WAS OCTOBER ALREADY AND THAT SHE WASN'T READY YET.
SO SHE REQUESTED A, AN EXTENSION.
RIGHT NOW THEY'VE GOT JUST THE, THE UNDERLAYMENT, RIGHT.
SO IS THAT, IS THE ROOF IN ANY, A DANGER OF, UM, LACK OF ROOF IN ANY DANGER OF DETERIORATION IN THAT PAPER? SHOULD BE IN THERE.
THE WATER
IT'S NOT GONNA, THE STRUCTURE'S NOT GONNA FALL DOWN AGAIN.
WELL, OCTOBER ON, ON OCTOBER 23RD, UM, THAT PUBLIC HEARING, UH, COUNSEL CAN TAKE ACTION AT THAT TIME ON THE APPEAL, AND THEY DO HAVE THEIR ABILITY TO FILE AN APPEAL WITHIN 30 DAYS OF COUNSEL'S DECISION TO THE CIRCUIT COURT.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP IF THIS IS DENIED.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK OUTTA CURIOSITY, AND I, YOU MAY HAVE ASKED THIS BEFORE, I'VE FORGOTTEN, OR YOU MAY HAVE SAID IT BEFORE, BUT, UM, WHEN, WHEN SOMEBODY IS BUYING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS, DO THEY GET, UM, LIKE A PRINTOUT OF ALL THE REQUIREMENTS? I COULD DO AN H O A, UM, THEY CAN REQUEST THAT.
I MEAN, SO WHAT I'VE PURCHASED IT FOR JUST OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, MY REALTOR LET ME KNOW.
UM, SO TYPICALLY I EXPECT THE REALTORS WOULD, AND I THINK THE BAR IS WORKING ON PUBLIC OUTREACH.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE MAILINGS THAT WE SEND OUT FROM OUR DEPARTMENT PERIODICALLY REMINDING PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THERE ARE GUIDELINES ON OUR WEBSITE, THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP, MELISSA, I WAS, I'M IN THE HISTORIC AREA, AND WHEN WE WERE EVEN LOOKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I BECAME VERY WELL AWARE OF, UH, THE RESTRICTIONS.
IT'S, IT'S LIKE AN H O A MM-HMM.
UH, IN ESSENCE, I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH, BECAUSE IT WASN'T ONLY THE ROOF THAT WAS, THAT WAS REMOVED, THEY REMOVED CHIMNEYS AS WELL.
AND THAT REQUIRES A BUILDING PERMIT, NOT JUST A ZONING PERMIT.
AND THAT'S REALLY CONCERNING TO ME.
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THE OWNER OF THE HOME, IS IT A NEW OWNER IN THIS COMMUNITY? NO.AS, UM, AS FAR AS I KNOW, HE OWNS MULTIPLE PROPERTIES AND POUNDS.
SO HE SHOULD BE VERY WELL AWARE OF THE RESTRICTIONS OR THE REGULATIONS.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S CONCERNING TO ME ABOUT THIS, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
UH, I LOVE OUR HISTORIC AREA AND SLOWLY IT IS BEGINNING TO TURN AROUND IN TERMS OF OWNERSHIP AND LOTS THAT ARE BEING TAKEN CARE OF.
UM, I LOVE THE HISTORY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I LOVE THE ARCHITECTURE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UH, I AM STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF MAINTAINING THOSE REGULATIONS AND REQUIRING THE PROPER PERMITTING, UM, FOR ANY HOMEOWNER THAT, UH, AND I HAD TO DO IT MYSELF.
I HAD TO GET A PERMIT TO GET TO PUT A FENCE AROUND.
I HAD TO, I DIDN'T REALLY NEED TO, BUT I WANTED TO GET IT CLARIFIED.
I PAINTED THE HOME AND I PUT A ROOF ON THE HOME.
UH, AND I DID A NUMBER OF THINGS EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.
I MADE SURE THAT IT WASN'T GONNA COME BACK AND BITE ME, UH, IN BREAKING A REGULATION.
I JUST THINK IT'S THE RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO.
AND ALSO IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HERE TO REMEMBER, METAL ROOFS ARE A LOT LIGHTER THAN ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOFS.
SO THAT'S THE OTHER REASON WE REQUIRE THIS PROCESS AND THESE PERMITS, IS BECAUSE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO VERIFY THAT THE ROOF CAN HOLD THE LOAD OF THE EXTRA WEIGHT OF THOSE SHINGLES.
SO IT'S A SAFETY THING TOO, LAUREN.
IT'S, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS OR EVEN IF IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE, BUT, UM, BOTH, UH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN ROGERS AND COUNCILWOMAN THE DOMENICO PAYNE MADE ME THINK OF THIS QUESTION AS, BY ANY CHANCE, DO, UM, DO THESE, UH, DOES THE APPLICANT OR APPELLANT, UM, DO THEY OWN OTHER PROPERTY IN THIS WORK DISTRICT? DO YOU KNOW, OR I KNOW YOU SAID THEY OWN MULTIPLE PLACES.
I REMEMBER THEM SAYING THAT THEY OWNED OTHER PROPERTIES IN TOWN.
I THINK THEY OWN ANOTHER, BUT I, I, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I HAVE EVERYTHING I NEED.
SO OCTOBER 23RD, THIS WILL BE, UM, UH, ADVERTISED FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT DATE.
UH, IS B AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 1 56.
ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY PERTAINING TO INCREASE FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS APPOINTED BY COUNSEL.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS OUR LAST MONTH'S WORK SESSION.
UM, JUSTIN PROCTOR CAME TO US ABOUT, UM, CHANGING THE NAME, UH, FOR, UM, FOR THAT PARTICULAR, UH, COMMITTEE, THAT COUNCIL ACTUALLY APPOINTS AND POSSIBLY, UM, INCREASING THE NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
AND SO WE ASKED MR. SONNET TO, UM, TO RESEARCH THAT A LITTLE BIT FOR US, BECAUSE SINCE IT IS AN ORDINANCE, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
SO, MR. SONNET, YEAH, VERY BRIEFLY.
THAT IS THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WAS, UM, PUT TO ME.
AND, UH, THE RELEVANT STATE STATUTE IS 15.2 1411 APPOINTMENT OF ADVISORY BOARDS, COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS, COMPENSATION, REIMBURSEMENT OF EXPENSES.
UM, IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE SIZE OF COMMITTEES.
SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SIZE LIMITATION.
UM, I SAY IT'S JUST A PRACTICAL LIMITATION.
RIGHT? HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU WANT ON A COMMITTEE? UM, FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES, AS FAR AS GETTING BUSINESS DONE.
AND I KNOW WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT, OR WHEN WE WERE TOSSED AROUND IDEAS THAT NIGHT.
IS THAT ABOUT HAVING THAT SAME COMMITTEE BUT THEN HAVING SUBCOMMITTEES UNDER THE, LIKE, ALMOST HAVING THAT COMMITTEE BE THE ONE THAT SERVED AS A BOARD? AND YOU COULD HAVE PEOPLE UNDER IT, BUT ARE WE SAYING THAT, 'CAUSE UNDER B ONE IT SAYS TOWN COUNCIL SHALL APPOINT FIVE VOLUNTEER COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
AND IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC TO BE, UH, THE TOWN EMPLOYEE HAS TO BE THE CHAIRMAN.
THERE HAS TO BE A HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR.
UM, AND THEN THREE AT LARGE RESIDENTS AND THE AT LARGE RESIDENTS CAN BE TOWN RESIDENTS OR SOMEBODY WHO OWNS A BUSINESS IN WARREN COUNTY.
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SO WHAT'S COUNCIL'S THOUGHTS? DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE COMMITTEE OR, YES.UM, I DID, UM, JUSTIN DID REACH OUT TO US, JUSTIN PROCTOR, AND, UM, WE WERE TRYING TO GET HIM, TRYING TO GET SOME IDEAS FROM WHERE HE WANTED TO GO WITH MEMBERSHIP ON THAT.
HE, HE, UH, HAD SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT FOUR, FOUR-YEAR TERMS. UM, BUT WHAT, UH, WHAT BOILED DOWN TO THE END OF THE CONVERSATION WAS HE WANTED TO PROCEED WITH THE NAME CHANGE MM-HMM.
I I, WELL THAT THINK SO, BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE A GOOD, UH, IDEA OF WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.
I DO KNOW, UH, TALKING TO JUSTIN, THEY WOULD LIKE THE ABILITY TO ADD MEMBERS WITH NOT HAVING TO GO THROUGH AN APPOINTMENT PROCESS IS I THINK WHERE HE WAS REALLY TRYING TO GO TO.
SO WE WE'RE JUST NOT READY YET TO TACKLE THAT.
SO HE DID, HE DID ASK ME TO PROCEED WITH THE NAME CHANGE OF COUNSELOR.
SO IT WOULD EITHER HAVE TO BE US CHANGING THE NUMBERS, SAY TO LIKE 10, RIGHT.
AND WE'D HAVE TO APPOINT 10 OR, OR LEAVE IT AS IS AND THEM JUST HAVE VOLUNTEERS THAT, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT THEY HAVE NOW.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, WAIT, AS FAR AS THE COMMITTEE ITSELF, YES.
IT'S SET BY COUNCIL, RIGHT? SUBCOMMITTEES ARE CREATED BY THE COMMITTEES, RIGHT? NOT COUNCIL.
SO THEY, SO, OKAY, SO WE'LL, WE'LL WAIT FOR JUSTIN 'CAUSE HE'LL REACH OUT TO HIS COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND SEE WHERE THEY WANNA GO WITH IT.
BECAUSE MAYBE THAT WILL BE A SIMPLE FIX IS TO JUST LET THEM HAVE COMMITTEES WITHIN THEMSELVES.
'CAUSE IT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE PLANNING COMMISSION NECESSARILY.
I FEEL LIKE THAT PARTICULAR COMMITTEE IS MORE OF WHAT I WOULD CALL LIKE AN ACTION.
LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING ACCOMPLISHED AND SOMETHING DOING WORK VERSUS SOME OF OUR OTHER BOARDS ARE AWARE, THEY REVIEW APPLICATIONS OR ZONING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
VERSUS IS REALLY JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE REALLY HELPING THE, THE COMPOSITION OF PLANNING COMMISSION IS STRICTLY SET BY STATE STAFF.
SO FOR, FOR THE FORMER EEC COMMITTEE TO APPOINT SUBCOMMITTEES, WE WOULD NEED TO DO NOTHING.
WE DON'T NEED TO AMEND THE, THE CODE AT ALL IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE NOT RIGHT.
WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANNA DO.
REALISTICALLY, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE TAILORED PROJECT TO PROJECT.
SO A SUBCOMMITTEE IS WHAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE.
'CAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, ONLY PASSIONATE ABOUT DOING ONE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY PROJECT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
I'D BE IN FAVOR OF THAT JUST 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE MORE SIMPLE, BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT THEY SAY.
HOW ABOUT THE NAME CHANGE? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY BURNING DESIRE TO LEAVE IT? UM, SO ACES EVERYBODY WOULD BE OKAY WITH ACES INSTEAD OF EAC, RIGHT? YEAH.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THOUGH, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT.
UM, ANYWAY, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS TWO C.
THESE ARE THE F Y 24 BUDGET AMENDMENTS FOR OUTSTANDING PURCHASE ORDERS, MR. DEREK.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE DONE, UH, PRETTY WELL EVERY YEAR, UH, IS CARRIED FORWARD.
THE OUTSTANDING PURCHASE ORDERS FROM ONE YEAR OVER TO THE NEXT.
THESE FUNDS WERE ALLOCATED IN PREVIOUS BUDGET CYCLES, UM, UH, FOR THE PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED.
AND, UH, SO IT'S NOT USING, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS OR FUNDS THAT WE HAVEN'T ALREADY BUDGETED FOR.
UH, WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS, IS TO CARRY FORWARD TO ROUGHLY $40 MILLION OF THAT.
YOU'LL SEE THE, UH, MAJORITY OF THAT IN THE SEWER AND WATER FUND, OR THE I N I PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE ONGOING IN THE REDUNDANT WATER LINE.
UM, AS WELL AS WE'RE REQUESTING TO REALLOCATE A FEW OF THE, UH, UH, PROJECTS, UH, FOR, UH, VARIOUS REASONS.
BUT, UM, UH, TO KIND OF LOOK DOWN THROUGH HERE, UH, REQUESTING TO REALLOCATE, UH, FUNDS UNDER IT FOR A SERVER UPGRADE.
UM, UH, TAKING FUNDS FROM CABLING AND FIBERING AND SERVICE CONTRACTS FOR THE FUND SYSTEM AND PUT THOSE OVER FOR US.
SERVER UPGRADE, UH, IS AS WELL AS, UH, SOME FUNDS FOR THE SOFTWARE CONSULTING CONSULTANT, WHICH WE'LL BE DISCUSSING HERE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
UH, BUT WOULD, UH, TAKE OVER, UM, UH, FUNDS THAT WE HAD SET ASIDE, UH, FOR A SOFTWARE UPGRADE.
AND I USE THOSE FOR A, UH, CONSULTANT.
AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS, UH, TO REALLOCATE FUNDS.
UM, SEE HERE FROM, UH, BLENDED BUILDINGS AND PUSHES OVER TO, UH, COMP THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUBDIVISION RE I, ADDITIONAL FUNDS NEEDED FOR THAT, UH, STANDARD SPECIFICATION UPDATE.
WE NEED SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS THERE.
AND THEN ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
UM, AND THEN, LET'S SEE HERE, HORTICULTURE,
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UH, TAKE FUNDS FOR AND MOVE THOSE OVER FOR A FLAIL MOAT.UH, FLAIL MOWER, UH, FROM A SICKLE BAR.
THE FLAIL MOWER, ACTUALLY IT'S COSTING, UH, UH, MORE THAN, YEAH, DOUBLE
UM, THE, UH, AND THEN, UH, DOWN THERE IN THE, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, UH, FUNDS THAT WE HAD SET ASIDE FOR THE RURAL PHOENIX PUMP STATION, UM, UH, PUSHED THOSE OVER TO THE RIVERTON PLANT PUMP STATION, UH, RIVERTON PUMP STATION'S PROBABLY GONNA COST TO SOMEWHERE NEAR THE TUNE OF, UH, 1.4 MILLION IS WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING NOW.
UM, AND THEN I THINK ABOUT ONE MORE, UH, REALLOCATING, UH, FUNDS FOR THE, UH, WATER PLANT, UH, RESERVOIR DAM.
UM, THE, UH, UH, OVER TO THE, LET'S SEE HERE, I'M SORRY, WITHDRAWAL PERMIT OVER TO THE WATER PLANT, UH, RESERVOIR DAM.
UH, THE WITHDRAWAL PERMIT IS ACTUALLY GONNA COST US MILLIONS OF, UM, SO WE'RE WANTING TO MOVE THOSE OVER.
BUT THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH COUNSEL WAS THERE'S SOME YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED ITEMS THERE THAT WE, UH, COULD POTENTIALLY REALLOCATE, UH, BASED ON COUNCIL'S APPETITE.
ONE OF THEM, UH, THEM BEING THE $176,000 FOR T L C ADVERSE EXPERIENCE ADJUSTMENT.
UH, IF YOU REMEMBER THERE A FEW YEARS AGO, WE WERE, UH, LOOKING AT, UM, LEAVING T L C AND THAT WAS THE COST FOR US TO LEAVE T L C.
UM, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE RECOMMENDING TO, UH, TO, UM, LEAVE T L C.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM IS, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
UH, YOU SEE THAT HIGH UP VOTED IN YELLOW UNDER PLANNING AND ZONING FOR $114,000.
UH, POTENTIALLY REALLOCATE THAT, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE IS UP AND RUNNING.
UH, DON'T FEEL THAT WE NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
UH, SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO PUSH IT OVER TO PAVING, CERTAINLY UP TO COUNCIL.
YOU DON'T NEED ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THAT.
UM, WE HAVE OPERATING, UH, FUNDS, UH, TO OPERATE IT.
UH, SO WE DON'T KNOW OF ANY MAJOR CAPITAL ITEMS THAT WE NEED FOR THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
WHAT WERE WE, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT WERE UNDER THE BLIGHTED OF BILLION BUILDING, WHICH WAS 92,000 IS LEFT OVER.
UM, WHAT, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK WHAT WE WERE BUDGETING THAT FOR.
LIKE THERE I WAS, BRING THAT OUT MYSELF.
I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO, I MEAN, NOT THAT, I'M JUST THINKING WAS THAT FOR, UH, UM, INSPECTIONS? IS THAT FOR INSPECTIONS? ADVERTISING? WHAT? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, I, I'M JUST, I'M I'M REALLY JUST ASKING.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT WASN'T THERE, BUT IT MAY HAVE BEEN JUST CARRIED OVER FROM A PREVIOUS BUDGET, BUT IT WAS INDEED IT'S BEEN CARRIED OVER SINCE 2020.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT KEEPING OUT PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND BUILDING MAINTENANCE.
BECAUSE THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING BLIGHTED BUILDINGS STILL KEEPS COMING UP.
SO I'M JUST THINKING LIKE, I DON'T WANNA GIVE AWAY ANY MONEY THAT COULD HAVE BEEN, UM, USED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE BLIGHTED BUILDINGS THAT WE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY TACKLED ENOUGH OF YET.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING BJ, ARE WE REALLOCATING THAT MONEY FROM BLIGHTED BUILDINGS, THE BLIGHTED BUILDINGS AND REALLOCATING TO THOSE, UH, COUPLE OF PROJECTS THERE.
THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UH, THERE'S PROPERTY MAINTENANCE MONEY THERE WE COULD CERTAINLY USE IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S DESIRE FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE WOULD USE IT FOR.
BUT I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS.
WELL, I AM VERY INTERESTED IN ADDRESSING BLIGHTED BUILDINGS.
I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
AND EVEN IF IT'S $90,000, WHICH SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY, I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE A DISCUSSION OF WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT MONEY.
UH, I WOULD RATHER NOT MOVE ANY MONEY FROM A BLIGHTED BUILDINGS, UH, LINE ITEM IS OKAY IF I MOVE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
'CAUSE WE DO NEED THE MONEY FOR THESE OTHER PROJECTS.
PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, UH, UH, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH STAFF FOR THE ENFORCEMENT ASPECT OF THE PROPERTY MEMBER'S HOUSE? I WANTED TO OFFER SOMETHING.
UM, I WAS GONNA OFFER SOMETHING BEFORE YOU STARTED GIVING THE MONEY AWAY ON THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
SOME OF 'EM GONNA TRY TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE NEXT 30, 60 DAYS.
AND WHEN WE START LOOKING AT IT, WE DON'T BELIEVE 150,000 IS GONNA BE ENOUGH.
AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE TRYING TO REAPPROPRIATE SOME OF THIS MONEY TOWARDS THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY NOW FOR THE BLIGHTED BUILDINGS.
AND THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE STAFF, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING THAT INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS AND BRING IT UP.
THAT'S WHY BJ AND I, WE SAT DOWN WITH ALL DEPARTMENTS AS WE WENT THROUGH THESE POS.
'CAUSE SOME OF 'EM HAVE BEEN ENCUMBERED FOR MULTIPLE YEARS AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO DO BUSINESS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOME CLEAN UP AND TRYING TO GET SOME PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD.
THE, THE ONLY REASON WHY I ASKED IT WAS,
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UM, IT'S JUST WHAT I SAID.LIKE I DON'T WANNA MOVE IT IF WE NEED IT.
BUT THEN AGAIN, TOO, QUITE HONESTLY, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN LEFT OVER FROM WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO ENVISION, 'CAUSE I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE, YOU KNOW, IN 2020 WE HAD A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THIS WHOLE IDEA OF US HAVING OUR OWN, UM, BUILDING DEPARTMENT WITH THE TOWN.
AND, AND THAT WENT OVER REAL WELL, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UM, UH, WITH PEOPLE.
UH, SO I'M JUST, I WAS JUST WONDERING, WAS THAT MONEY THAT WE ORIGINALLY IT WAS SETTING THERE 'CAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA NEED IT AND THEN AS TIME WENT ON, IT, IT JUST KEPT GETTING MOVED OVER.
BUT IS IF THERE'S NO NEED FOR MONEY TO BE IN THAT CATEGORY, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT AS, AS COUNCILMAN ROGERS SAID, YOU KNOW, KNOW ARE, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO ADDRESS BLIGHTED BUILDINGS IN ANOTHER WAY? IS, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK, SO BJ SAID THERE'S STILL AN OPERATING BUDGET, CORRECT? THERE'S, THERE'S OPERATING BUDGET FOR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND, UM, THERE'S WHATEVER WE HAVE IN THAT 14,000 AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, 114,000 IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO REALLOCATE NOT THE ENTIRE 90,000 OR THE ENTIRE 90,000.
UM, I WANTED TO, OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR THE 90,000, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO IT OUT OF THE 114.
I MEAN, I'M, WE JUST, WE NEED TO, WE NEED MONEY PROJECTS.
THERE'S BLUE THAT TOTALS TO, THERE'S THREE LINE ITEMS IS WHERE I WAS REALLOCATING IT TO.
UM, I'M CERTAINLY OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS.
I WOULD SAY THAT THE BLIGHTED BUILDING ISSUE HAS BEEN QUIET FOR TOO LONG.
I THINK, UH, I'M IN THE PROCESS OF SETTING UP A COUPLE OF MEETINGS WITH FOLKS TO TRY TO TACKLE HOW AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO BEGIN TO ADDRESS IT.
UM, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, I MOVED MY OFFICE ON CHESTER STREET IN OH NINE AND THERE ARE STILL BLIGHTED BUILDINGS.
THE SAME BUILDINGS THAT WERE BLIGHTED IN OH NINE ARE STILL AS NASTY OR NASTIER THAN THEY ARE TODAY.
UH, I WOULD, I WOULD CERTAINLY ASK COUNSEL TO DELAY ANY MOVEMENT OF THAT LINE ITEM.
HOW'S THAT? NO, I WAS GONNA SAY BEFORE, NO, I, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA.
I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, WE'RE ASKING, IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL YET.
WHAT, WHAT DO OTHER PEOPLE THINK? AND IS THERE ANY, 'CAUSE I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, LIKE YOU ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ENOUGH MONEY TO ACCOMPLISH THESE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN GOALS TOO.
BUT IS THERE ANOTHER SPOT TO, TO PULL FROM SO WE COULD LEAVE SOME MONEY AND BUY A BUILDING? AND AGAIN, I'M STILL ASKING, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE GOTTEN AN ANSWER AND THAT'S OKAY IF, IF WE DON'T KNOW IT YET.
BUT LIKE, WHAT WOULD WE BE DOING WITH THAT MONEY? WOULD IT BE FOR, WOULD IT BE TO HIRE, WOULD, WOULD IT BE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL INSPECTIONS? WOULD IT BE FOR ADVERTISING? IS THERE CERTAIN THINGS WE HAVE TO DO TO LIKE, SERVE PEOPLE? AND, AND WITH THE, I MEAN, I, I WAS ON COUNCIL WHEN THE BLIGHTED BUILDING, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN BLIGHTED PROPERTY WAS, WAS, UM, PASSED.
WELL, WE HAD INITIATED EARLIER, BUT WHEN IT WAS PASSED, SO I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WERE THINKING THAT MONEY TO USE THE MONEY FOR.
BECAUSE IF WE HAVEN'T USED IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO IT, THEN THAT'S ONE THING.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PLAN THERE.
AND, AND, AND WELL THERE WAS, BUT, BUT, AND THEY, AND THE L B B C A, WE'VE APPOINTED PEOPLE FOR THAT, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THE WHOLE PROCESS OF PEOPLE COMING IN, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE COMPLAINTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE'RE FULLY FUNDED FOR THIS YEAR.
UM, THIS MONEY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF THIS MONEY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN SINCE 2020, SO IF WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED IT, I, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HANDLING DAY-TO-DAY BUSINESS RIGHT NOW.
UM, I JUST HAD A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
I SAW MS. CAPISH LEAVE, SO I KNEW SHE WASN'T HERE.
THIS YOU AND I ON COUNCIL AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, LAUNCHED THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE BLIGHTED BUILDING.
WE HAVE A WEBSITE WHERE COMPLAINTS CAN BE FILED THAT'S ONLY BEEN UP AND RUNNING FOR ONE YEAR OR LESS.
UM, AND LAUREN'S DEPARTMENT'S FIELDING THAT AND THERE IS STILL AN OPERATING BUDGET OUTSIDE OF THIS.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK THERE'S CONFUSION AROUND THIS ISN'T GETTING RID OF BLIND BUILDINGS OR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
THIS IS NOT, IT'S JUST THE EXTRA MONEY THAT'S LEFT OVER AT THE END OF THE, THAT BUDGET CYCLE.
SO, UM, AND SOME OF THE MONEY FOR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE WAS USED TO GET THE SOFTWARE AND VARIOUS OTHER THINGS.
SO SOME OF THE MONEY WAS USED FOR PROPERTY SOFTWARE.
SO THERE IS ALREADY MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR BLIGHTED BUILDINGS FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.
THIS IS MONEY LEFT OVER FROM LAST YEAR THAT WASN'T USED FOR THAT LINE ITEM.
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ALL RIGHT.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THESE OTHER, UM, I JUST WAS GONNA, I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER IT.
THERE'S, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT ON HERE.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I NOTICED THERE'S SEVERAL PLACES AND I'M GOOD WITH IT.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST HOPING THAT THIS IS HOW I'VE TAKEN IT.
LIKE MARTIN'S FOOD AND EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION WEEK, THAT WOULD JUST BE CARRIED OVER SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD STILL GET TO USE IT FOR THE SAME, THEY WOULD JUST WHY ARE Y'ALL GIGGLING? I'M LAUGHING BECAUSE I'VE KIND OF, I ANTICIPATED THIS.
MARTIN'S HAS HAD A PROBLEM WITH THEIR, UH, GETTING US STATEMENTS AND INVOICES.
UM, WE, WE HAVE SOME OF THEM AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON IT'S BEING CARRIED FORWARD IS BECAUSE OKAY.
UM, I WASN'T ABLE TO PAY IT, UH, IN THE FISCAL YEAR.
SO IT'S ALREADY BEEN, IT'S ALREADY BEEN EACH, THAT'S NOT NORMALLY THE ONE I WOULD CARRY FORWARD.
BUT THERE'S SOME EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES.
IT'S ALL ONE, BUT IT WAS FOR APPRECIATION.
I JUST DIDN'T, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T, LIKE, NOT, WE TOOK IT OUT AND THEN PEOPLE WERE LIKE, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR THIS YEAR.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE AND TRADE THIS YEAR TRYING TO MAKE THROUGH THE, UH, THAT THE EXPENSES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PRIOR WITH THE PROPERTY YEAR.
UM, THAT'S ALL THAT'S GOING ON.
THE, UH, IT'S, THAT IS A TRULY EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE.
I I'M JUST, I'M ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ABOUT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ASPECT OF STAFF.
UH, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE, IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO ME THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH STAFF.
BUT THAT THIS MONEY HERE IS NOT FOR, FOR STAFFING.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE OTHER STUFF? IT'S VERY INTERESTING.
BJ'S REALLY LOOKING FOR SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON TWO OF THOSE.
WHEN SOMEBODY EXCESS LIKE 290,000 CORRECT.
BETWEEN TWO ITEMS. SOMETHING AROUND THAT.
UM, WELL I FEEL LIKE YOU'VE PUT IN HERE WHAT YOU THINK OKAY.
IS THE BEST WAY TO REALLOCATE THAT'S, UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN.
THE, UM, WELL THE ONLY THING IS, IS THERE, THOSE TWO YELLOW ITEMS ARE CURRENTLY SITTING UNDER THE GENERAL FUND.
UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE PUT THAT OVER TO PAVING TO ADVANCE OUR PAVING PLAN.
AND CONSIDERING THAT LAST YEAR WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE LIKE A MILLION TO GO TO PAVING.
I KNOW IT'S NOT YOU, I'M JUST SAYING HAVE SOME MORE GOOD NEWS COMING NEXT MONTH.
BUT WE REALLY WANTED TO TACKLE SOME OF OUR PAVING AND SIDEWALKS AND CURBING GUTTER AND THEN STATE CAME IN AND SAID WE HAD TO FRONT THE MONEY FOR THE EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE.
AND SO WE LOST THAT MILLION DOLLARS, DIDN'T WE? WELL YOU DIDN'T REALLY LOSE IT.
SO I, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT HELPS US START TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, WE'RE MAKING SOME PROGRESS.
WE ARE BRINGING SOME GOOD NEWS BACK NEXT TIME.
ALRIGHT, SO I'LL, ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER THAT YOU WANNA CHANGE OR YOU ALL GOOD WITH THE YELLOW? THE BRIGHT YELLOW TO GO TO PAVING? I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE TO APPROVE THIS, SO IT'S GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE IT DOES REQUIRE MORE THAN 1% OF THE BITE.
SO THIS WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS NOW, YOU CAN ASK.
IF NOT, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE BETWEEN NOW AND OCTOBER 23RD, UM, GET WITH BJ, ASK HIM IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS TILL OCTOBER 23RD.
BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA GET A CONSENSUS WITH COUNSEL, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD SPOT TO GET GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT.
ANYBODY, I'M SUPPOSED TO HAVE, UH, MONEY IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET TO MAKE UP THE SHORTFALL THAT WE'RE TAKING FROM A BLIGHTED BUILDINGS.
IS THAT SHORTFALL? THERE'S NO SHORTFALL.
THERE'S MONEY THAT WE DID NOT USE IN THE 2023 AUDIT RATING.
WHEN WE CLOSED OUT FISCAL YEAR.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT FOR BJ BEFORE YOU WRAP AFTER THE EVENING? NO, I'M NOT WRAP, WE'RE SORRY AGAIN.
IT'S SORRY, I IT WASN'T FOR YOU.
I MEAN, I, I BELIEVE IN MY SPEAKING WITH LAUREN, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STAFF AND I KNOW WE COULD USE STAFF TO ENFORCE ALL THE CODE VIOLATIONS, BUT LAUREN'S OFFICE ISN'T CURRENTLY OVERWHELMED WITH COMPLAINTS BEING FILED FOR THAT.
AND WE'VE LAUNCHED A WEBSITE TO ANONYMOUSLY FILE COMPLAINTS.
SO I THINK JUST CON FOR THIS COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITY, AN OBLIGATION IS TO CONTINUE TO REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT WE DID LAUNCH A
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WEBSITE TO ANONYMOUSLY FILE A COMPLAINT AND SUBMIT, YOU KNOW, BLIGHTED BUILDINGS AND DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS ISSUES THROUGH THAT.AND IF THEY'RE NOT BEING RESPONDED TO, WHICH I'M NOT AWARE OF, THEN THEY NEED TO RAISE THAT ISSUE TO COUNSEL.
AND YOU'RE YOU, RIGHT? CORRECT.
'CAUSE AM I TALKING TO LAUREN ABOUT THIS? SHE'S NOT OVERWHELMED WITH THEM CURRENTLY OF WHAT LIKE WE EXPECTED HER TO BE.
MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IS TRUE.
SO, YEAH, I, UM, AND THAT'S WHY I JUST, I WANTED TO FOCUS THAT THE ENCUMBERED FUNDS COULD NOT BE USED FOR LABOR.
IT'S A HOT TOPIC WORD EVERY YEAR, BUT WE ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT LAST YEAR.
MAYBE WHAT WE'RE DOING ISN'T THE RIGHT WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, THERE ARE PLENTY OF BLIGHTED BUILDINGS AND IF IT TAKES A COMPLAINT TO GET SOMETHING STARTED AND YOU'VE GIVEN THE VEHICLE, YOU'VE CREATED A VEHICLE TO DO THAT.
THERE ARE PEOPLE I TALK TO EVERY DAY THAT TALK ABOUT THE MESS OF BUILDINGS, BLIGHTED BUILDINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
SO MAYBE A WEBSITE TO MAKE A COMPLAINT ISN'T THE RIGHT WAY.
THAT'S WHY I'M SITTING DOWN WITH STAKEHOLDERS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT AND GET A PLAN TOGETHER TO ADDRESS THE BLIGHTED BUILDINGS.
NOT ON A, ON A, UH, COMPLAINT BASIS.
BUT I WANNA HAVE INPUT FROM OUR COMMUNITY, FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS, FROM THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM EVERY DAY.
UM, AND I AGREE, HAVING A WEBSITE MAY A NICE THING, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT WORKING BECAUSE WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF BLIGHTED BUILDINGS AND NOBODY'S MAKING COMPLAINTS.
AND ROGERS, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH.
'CAUSE I, I, I DON'T DISAGREE.
LIKE I WAS DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD JUST YESTERDAY AND WE WERE, MY SON AND I WERE LIKE LOOKING AT A BUILDING AND GOING, OH MY GOODNESS.
AND I'M SITTING HERE THINKING TO MYSELF, I COULD GO RIGHT ONLINE AND MAKE A COMPLAINT.
AS JOE WAS SAYING, I SAID THIS, I SAID MYSELF.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M THINKING IS LIKE WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING OR TO ANY OF US, I GO ON WEBSITE ON THERE, IS TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO THEM, ARE YOU AWARE THIS IS THE VEHICLE? AND MAYBE WE, MAYBE AS, AS WE'RE SITTING HERE BRAINSTORMING THIS, I'M THINKING MAYBE WE NEED TO MAKE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO DO A EDUCATIONAL PUSH.
LIKE MAYBE PUTTING SOMETHING IN THE ELECTRIC BILLS TO SAY IF YEAH, GO AHEAD.
WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY, COUNCILWOMAN BEFORE? I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WAITING TO SPEAK SINCE I ASKED MY INITIAL QUESTION, BUT WHEN COUNCILWOMAN THOMPSON AND COUNCILWOMAN COCKRELL AT THE TIME, AND I LAUNCHED THIS AND VOTED ON THIS, COUNCILMAN LATASHA AND I SAT DOWN AND WE MADE A LIST OF PROPERTIES.
WE SPECIFICALLY AS STAKEHOLDERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS IN THIS COMMUNITY, WE'RE GONNA GO REPORT OURSELVES AND DID THAT.
SO WE CAN ALL MAKE OUR REPORTS AS WE SEE THEM AS WELL.
BUT I, THE ONLY THING I'M JUST GONNA ADD IS I DON'T THINK I CAN GET THIS DONE IN NOVEMBER, BUT IF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE, I CAN GET STAFF TO COME IN DECEMBER AND KIND OF GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ON DELIGHTED BUILDINGS AND WHAT OUR ACTIONS ARE AT THAT POINT, AND GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS AND THEN ALLOW US TO REFOCUS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE HITTING THE MARK COUNCIL.
SO LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK I CAN PULL IT OFF IN NOVEMBER, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY DO IT IN DECEMBER BECAUSE THERE IS A BOARD AND, AND YOU KNOW, EVEN MAYBE SOME OF THOSE, 'CAUSE I KNOW FORMER COUNCILMAN GILLESPIE'S ON THAT BOARD AS WELL, SO ANYWAY.
AND AGAIN, PUTTING IT ON AN AGENDA KIND OF PUTS IT IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC SPACE AGAIN TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S YOUR CHANCE.
UM, ALTHOUGH TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, AS COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS SAID, YOU KNOW, I, I COULD TELL YOU WHERE THEY ARE WITHOUT FILLING OUT A COMPLAINT.
UH, THREE A MICHELLE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE UP FOR LIKE FOUR ITEMS. SORRY.
SO A IS A BID FOR FUELS AND AUTO MAINTENANCE FLUIDS.
WELL, THE FIRST TWO ITEMS ARE, YEAH.
I WAS GONNA SAY THEY'RE MORE FOR LIKE STANDARD TYPE THINGS WE NEED TO DO EACH YEAR.
I KNOW THE, THE DEICING ROAD SALT, WE DO THAT EVERY YEAR IT SEEMS LIKE.
SO YOU, I ASSUME SO IT'S MY FIRST YEAR, I WOULD ASSUME.
WE CAN'T GET A CONTRACT FROM MULTI-YEAR INVESTIGATION.
SO WE'LL LOOK AT THREE A FIRST.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I KNOW THAT, UM, THE SUMMARY EXPLAINS TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THE BID OPENING AND THEM RECEIVING THREE BIDS.
SO I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE PRICING.
HOW DO YOU, UM, UM, SO THE GASOLINE PRICES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
SO HOW DO YOU, HOW OFTEN ARE, DO THEY CHANGE AT THIS LEVEL THAT WOULD IMPACT POTENTIALLY THE BID
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THE, UM, THE OPUS PRICING FOR THESE PRICES, WHICH YES, IT DOES CHANGE.THE, UH, SO THE, THE PRICING, UH, IS BID OUT FOR THAT PARTICULAR DAY.
SO THEY HAVE TO BID ON IT THAT PARTICULAR DAY.
UM, YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THE, UM, UH, THAT THE, THE FLUCTUATION WILL GO UP AND DOWN.
SO WE HAVE TO, UM, WE GET A PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, SO EVERYONE'S BIDDING ON THAT SPECIFIC DAY AND IT'S BASED ON THAT STANDARD OF PRICE FOR THAT PARTICULAR DAY.
UM, BUT YOU ARE INDEED CORRECT.
UM, WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IT'LL GO UP OVER THE NEXT YEAR.
SO IT'S NOT LOCKING INTO THIS PRICING, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S GIVING FAIR COMPETITION FOR THAT PARTICULAR DAY.
SO WE DIDN'T GET LOCKED IN FOR 2 73 FOR, I WISH WE COULD
SO IT'S, UM, WE SET EVERYTHING UP FOR THAT PARTICULAR VENDOR.
SO WE HAVE ALL THE CARDS AND WHEN WE'RE TIED INTO THEM FOR, UH, THE, FOR DURATION.
UM, BUT, BUT YOUR EXPERIENCE OF LIKE, THE VENDORS PRETTY LIKE, YOU KNOW, FUN COWS ARE, THEY'RE THEIR LOWEST OR WHATEVER RIGHT NOW AND IS IT YOUR EXPERIENCE THAT THEY REMAIN PRETTY MUCH THE LOWEST THROUGHOUT THE YEAR REGARDLESS OF THE FUNCTION NOW? YOU KNOW, GIVEN A PARTICULAR TIME? THERE MAY BE, UH, TIME PERIODS WHERE, UH, IT MAY CHANGE, BUT FOR THE, UH, FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME, YES.
I USED TO PURCHASE FUEL WHEN I WAS IN CONSTRUCTION AND YOU CAN'T, IT'S HARD TO, YEAH, THEY CAN'T GIVE YOU A LONG TERM.
IT'S HARD TO COMPARE TO A DAY.
AND IT CHANGES LIKE EVERY, I MEAN, OTHER, I WAS GETTING PRICING ON UPDATES EVERY DAY.
WE, WE WERE BUYING FUEL AND THAT WOULD BE IT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT A BID OUT EVERY, YOU KNOW, EVERY WEEK BECAUSE IT CHANGES.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR THREE A ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA, THAT'LL BE ON, UM, I'M GONNA, THAT WOULD BE A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM WOULD BE, RIGHT.
SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THREE B, WHICH IS THE AWARD FOR DEICING ROAD SALT.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UM, I WOULD THINK WE WOULD'VE SAVED A LITTLE MONEY LAST YEAR 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH KNOW RIGHT NOW.
WHY SAY THIS YEAR WE'LL HAVE BLIZZARD, BUT THAT'S HOW IT GOES IS, I'M NOT GONNA COMPLAIN.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UM, MS. CAMPBELL REGARDING THE 89 CENTS PER TON? HEY, WE GONNA ASK QUESTIONS.
HOW, WHAT'S AN AVERAGE AMOUNT OF TON WE USE IN A YEAR, DO YOU KNOW? IT VARIES.
I MEAN, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH SNOW WE GET.
LAST YEAR WE LITERALLY HAD LIKE TWO SNOW EVENTS, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO I THINK I JUST TOPPED IT OFF.
UH, BUT THEN, UH, ON, ON OTHER YEARS, I MEAN WE'VE USED A COUPLE, A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSANDS DOLLARS AND OKAY.
SO IT IS REALLY BASED ON THE SNOWFALL.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT FIRST ALL? I THINK IT'S COOL.
IT IS LIKE A LITTLE BIT FOR YOUR TABLE THERE.
A LITTLE BIT FOR YOUR STREETS.
I WILL SAY THEY WERE ALL SOMEWHERE RIGHT AROUND THE SAME AMOUNT THOUGH.
LIKE THEY WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHICH IS WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS THE MOST, UH, RESPONSES WE'VE RECEIVED FOR A LONG TIME ALREADY.
EVERYBODY'S GOT FROM LAST YEAR.
MAYBE THAT'S WHY WE GOT A CHEAPER PRICE.
SO NO INFLATION ON SALT FOR SOME REASON.
DID Y'ALL HEAR THAT PART? THAT IT'S THE SAME PRICE AS LAST YEAR? I SAID NO INFLATION ON SALT.
'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY SNOW.
SNOW AND THEY COULDN'T TELL IT.
I FELT LIKE Y DID DO RICE WHEN IT WAS NEGATIVE EIGHT DEGREES FOR A WEEK OR SO.
WE USED SOME, BUT IT WASN'T LIKE CRAZY AMOUNT.
THIS IS THE REGULAR RELATED SALT.
NOT LIKE THE HIMALAYAN SALT, SALT DEAD SEA OR SO GREASY IS STILL MS. CAMPBELL.
IT'S THE BID FOR THE MANASSAS AVENUE SUBSTATION TRANSFORMER.
I'LL, I'LL LET YOU SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU WANT.
OR DO YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THAT? FEEL LIKE WE, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT YEAH,
THAT'S WHY I SAW A TRANSFORMER HIGHLIGHTED IN YOUR PART AND I WAS LIKE, DID WE HAVE TRANSFORMER MONEY LAST YEAR? WELL, THE, ALL THOSE TRANSFORMERS IN THE PO LIST ARE, ARE, WE'RE WAITING 'EM TO BE DELIVERED EVERY TIME WE COME UP HERE.
IT'S GONNA BE A YEAR OR TWO YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT 90% OF AREN'T THE ONLY GOOD THING, THE ONLY GOOD THING ABOUT THIS PURCHASE IS IT'S A FIRM BID.
IT'S NOT ESCALATING OR UP AND DOWN.
IT'S A, IT'S A FIRM QUOTE FOR 885,000.
AND IT'S EXPECTED TO BE 55 TO 60 WEEKS, WHICH WE WERE GETTING 52 ON THE REFURBISHED ONE.
OH, THIS IS A BIG TRANSFORMER.
AND ALSO THE, UH, THE, UH, WE SHOULD BE 52
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WEEKS IS, IS IS SPOT ON FOR IT.SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? THREE C THAT'LL BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WELL.
AND THEN THREE D I BELIEVE THIS IS YOUR LAST ONE, RIGHT? UH, AWARD OF CONTRACT FOR ON-CALL GENERAL CIVIL ENGINEERING SERVICES.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT? I THINK IT'S NEEDED.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT A GOOD THING.
BUT I THINK WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT WITH JOE ABOUT THIS WHEN MATTHEW YOU AND I MET WITH THEM.
WE USED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL DISCUSS AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.
OR MAYBE THIS IS THE ANSWER TO IT.
CANARY SERVICES, RIGHT? THIS IS ON CALL.
SO WHEN WE NEED IT INSTEAD OF HAVING SOMEBODY ON STAFF.
'CAUSE WE USED TO STAFF AN ENGINEER, CORRECT? YEAH, WE DID HAVE A STAFF ENGINEER.
AND WHEN WE WRITE THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE POSITIONS THAT WAS AND DO YOU THINK THIS IS A LONG TERM FIX FOR THAT? OR DO YOU THINK THIS IS A, JUST A INTERMEDIATE FIX FOR THAT? I THINK THIS COULD BE A LONG TERM BECAUSE IT IS AS NEEDED AS LONG AS WE INCORPORATE THE MONEY AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, THIS GIVES US THE MECHANISM TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP THE PHONE ONE DAY IF WE NEED SOMETHING.
CERTAIN PROJECTS CERTAINLY WOULD NEED, WOULD NEED ATTENTION.
THAT'S WHY WE USED TO STAFF ONE, I THINK WHEN YOU WERE THE TOWN MANAGER PRIOR.
SO THIS WILL ALSO BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? ALRIGHT, MS. KIM, I THINK YOU, YOU ARE FREE.
I THINK ONE QUESTION FOR BJJ, WAS THERE ANY ANYTHING ABOUT A A M T THAT WAS
WE INTERVIEWED A LOT OF ENGINEERING FIRMS. IT WAS A REALLY CLOSE RAISE.
UM, THE, UH, THE THING MODEL, WHAT'S THAT? WE HAD A LOT OF
UH, A M T HAS A LOT OF VDOT EXPERIENCE.
WE FEEL THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BE OUR BEST, UH, FOR THE VDOT, UH, YOU KNOW, HAPPY CREEK PHASE TWO COMING DOWN THE PIKE.
REVENUE SHARING PROJECTS COMING DOWN THE PIKE, PROSPECT BRIDGE.
UM, THEY WERE, UM, NOT THAT ANY OF THE OTHERS WERE NOT, WERE BAD.
UH, THEY WERE A TOP CONTENDER.
HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THE
SO THE NEXT FOUR ITEMS ARE ACTUALLY FOR MR. WILSON.
SO WE'LL START WITH THREE E, WHICH IS THE AWARD FOR A CONTRACT FOR SOFTWARE CONSULTING SERVICES.
SO, UH, WE ARE, UH, REQUESTING GET A SOFTWARE CONSULTANT IN HERE TO TRY TO HELP US OUT.
UM, CURRENTLY WE'RE USING, UH, CENTRAL SQUARE FOR OUR UTILITY BILLING AND FINANCIALS, UH, BUDGETING.
AND WE'RE USING B A I MUNICIPAL SOFTWARE FOR OUR TAXES.
SO MY GIRLS AT THE FRONT COUNTER ARE ACTUALLY RUNNING TWO SYSTEMS, UH, AND DOING RECEIPTS OUT OF BOTH SYSTEMS. UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK ACROSS NOT ONLY THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE, BUT OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN BRING IN UNDER THIS UMBRELLA.
UH, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO HELP, YOU KNOW, BETTER COMMUNICATION BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS TO TRY TO MAYBE TRY TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THE REDUNDANCY AND HAVE IT BE ABLE TO AT LEAST IF, IF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS CAN USE THE SOFTWARE, AT LEAST HAVE A, UM, A MECHANISM TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS.
YOU KNOW, UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO RECREATE THE WHEEL.
UM, THE, UH, ANNUALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST BETWEEN THESE TWO SOFTWARES WE'RE SPENDING $80,000.
UH, AND, YOU KNOW, KNOWING WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPE, WHAT NEEDS WE MAY WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER CAPABILITIES ARE OUT THERE, OBVIOUSLY, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO FOUR, EIGHT M I FOR THE ELECTRIC METER READING? UM, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO HAVE OTHER OPTIONS FOR OUR CITIZENS TO MAKE PAYMENTS OR, UH, BEING NOTIFICATIONS, YOU KNOW, UM, MEALS AND LODGING TAXES.
CURRENTLY WE'RE DOING THAT THE MANUAL WAY.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION ONLINE.
WE DON'T, UH, BRINGING IN, YOU KNOW, UH, VIOLATIONS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, HAVING THAT CAPABILITY FOR THE E SUMMONS.
BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING A DECISION.
'CAUSE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT VENDORS OUT THERE THAT'LL TELL YOU THAT, HEY, I CAN MAKE THIS WORK.
YOU KNOW, I WANT SOMETHING THAT'S, I DON'T WANT CUSTOM
I WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AS MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS.
UH, SO IT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT I THINK IT'S, UH, OVER THE LIFETIME IT'S, UH, YOU WELL WORTH.
IT'S NOT, IT'D BE WELL WORTH IT.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID IT KIND OF, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS WHAT I'M THINKING.
'CAUSE I'VE LITERALLY BEEN ASKING FOR THIS SINCE PROBABLY EVEN BEFORE YOU GUYS WERE, UH, IN THE ROLES YOU WERE.
BUT WOULD PEOPLE BE ABLE TO PAY THEIR ELECTRIC BILL ONLINE EVENTUALLY? IS THAT THE, WELL, THEY CAN PAY ONLINE NOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVE, HAVE BETTER WELL YOU CREDIT, I'M TALKING ABOUT TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SUBSIDIZING THE COST.
I CAME OUT AND SPOKE AGAINST THAT ACCOUNT, SO BEFORE I WAS ON IT, NO.
OH, BRING, DON'T BRING THAT UP.
I WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SIDE THERE.
NO, I WAS, WELL, FOR OPTIONS LIKE THAT, CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY BUT TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS, WHAT
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ELSE CAN WE BE DOING? UH, WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIKE AND WHAT SHOULD WE BE PREPARED FOR? RIGHT.UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY'S ADVANCED.
WE'VE BEEN WITH THE SAME VENDOR FOR 20, 30 YEARS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, OTHER, ARE THERE BETTER OPTIONS OUT THERE FOR US? RIGHT.
UM, AND DOING A CONVERSION LIKE THIS IS A, UH, A HUGE, HUGE UNDERTAKING.
UM, UH, WE DID IT WITH THE TAX SYSTEM, UH, BACK WHEN I FIRST STARTED WITH THE TOWN.
UM, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO DO AGAIN, SO I WANNA DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
I JUST, UH, BEFORE WHEN I, LIKE I SAID, WHEN I ASKED AS A CITIZEN FOR, 'CAUSE I WOULD SIT DOWN EVERY MONTH AND PAY MY BILLS, BUT THE ELECTRIC BILL WAS SOMETHING I WOULD'VE TO DRIVE IN, DROP OFF.
AND THEN I FINALLY GOT INTO THE SWING OF, IT'S TAKEN FROM MY CHECKING ACCOUNT EVERY MONTH.
AND I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT WAS ALL GOOD.
BUT AT THE TIME, THE FORMER, UH, IT DIRECTOR, IT WAS ALL ABOUT HOW THIS SOFTWARE DOESN'T SPEAK TO THIS SOFTWARE.
AND THAT'S WHY I COULDN'T DO IT EXACTLY IT.
SO IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD EVENTUALLY DOWN THE ROAD SEE THAT CAPABILITY, I WOULD BE ALL FOR IT.
AND TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS YEAH.
MAKE OUR BILLS LOOK A LITTLE BETTER.
YOU KNOW, THOSE LITTLE GRAPHS THAT YOU GET ON.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.
I MEAN,
BUT, UM, BUT HAVE A PROFESSIONAL COME IN AND REALLY LOOK INTO IT FOR US.
SORRY, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, UM, THIS IS IN LIKE AN ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE EXACTLY, THAT'S EXACTLY.
SO I MEAN, THE CONSULTANT CAN GUIDE YOU THERE, BUT OF COURSE YOU NEED TO GIVE THE DATA, THE DATA CHECKS AS TO REALLY WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE AS YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, THE SKY'S THE LIMIT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT WANNA BE, YOU KNOW,
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE SOFTWARE PACKAGES CAN GO UP TO A A MILLION DOLLARS.
AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALSO, BRUCE, IS THAT THESE SOFTWARE PROGRAMS NOW HAVE MODULES THAT YOU BUILD ON SO THAT AS YOU GROW OR AS YOU NEEDS CHANGE, YOU CAN STAY WITHIN THE SAME PROGRAM AND SIMPLY ADD, UH, NEW TECHNO.
NOT TO NEW TECHNOLOGIES, BUT, UH, BUT NEW, UH, UM, CAPABILITIES.
YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE I'D LIKE TO GO.
VERY, SO IF, IF EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THAT, THAT WOULD ALSO BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
MR. WALTZ? THAT WOULD CORRECT.
IT STILL, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THIS MATCH, THIS OTHER LIST WOULD BE FOR.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, LOUDLY OR WHATEVER.
SO PURCHASE OF WORK ORDER AND ASSET MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE FOR ENERGY SERVICES.
SO THIS ONE IS, UM, UH, BASED ON THE OMNIA CONTRACT FOR COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING.
UH, AND IT WOULDN'T INDEED BE THAT WORK ORDER AND ASSET MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE, UH, FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SERVICES.
UH, MR. SWELL HERE, HE CAN CERTAINLY HELP ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ON WHAT THE SOFTWARE WOULD BE USED FOR.
WE'VE MAXED OUT MICROSOFT EXCEL TO THE MAX.
THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING ALL FREE WEB BASED MICROSOFT TO-DO LIST STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE NEED TO CENTRALIZED OUR BORDER SYSTEM.
UM, WE'RE JUST MAKING THE PUSH TO, TO MOVE FORWARD, GET UP TO 2023, AT LEAST THIS IS COMING BEFORE COUNCIL BECAUSE IT IS A MULTI-YEAR CONTRACT THAT WOULD EXCEED $50,000.
I BELIEVE IT'S ROUGHLY 10 GRAND, 11 GRAND A YEAR.
BUT THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY WOULD COME OUT OF AN, UH, ENTERPRISE FUNDS, RIGHT? YES.
IT WOULD COME OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SERVICES AND IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, UH, OTHER DEPARTMENTS COULD, UH, USE DOWN THE LINE.
UH, BUT RIGHT NOW THE FOCUS IS FOR ENERGY SERVICES.
IF NO ONE HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS, WE'LL GO ON TO F Y 24 BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH GRANT.
SO THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH IS, UH, GIVING SOME MONEY FOR REQUIREMENT, UH, ONE, UH, LEAD PIPING.
SO THIS ACTUALLY KIND OF GOES WITH, UH, UH, UH, LETTER H THERE, THE TASK QUARTER LETS, UH, LEAD SERVICE LINE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT.
UM, THIS GRANT IS ACTUALLY PAYING FOR THOSE SERVICES.
UH, SO, UH, IN OCTOBER OF NEXT YEAR, UH, THE TOWN WILL BE REQUIRED AS WELL, OTHER LOCALITIES, UH, TO HAVE AN INVENTORY OF ALL OF THEIR, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AS FAR AS THE, UH, WATER GOES.
HE CAN HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THAT PROGRAM.
BUT, UH, WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IS BRING IN THESE FUNDS AND THEN I'M JUST IMMEDIATELY ALLOCATED OVER TO C H A ONE OF THEIR, OF OUR, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING FIRMS, UH, TO PERFORM THIS TASK ORDER.
I WILL SAY THAT C H A DID HELP US GET THE, THESE FUNDS, UH, FOR
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THE PROGRAM.ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? SO THAT, SO WE GOT A GRANT WITH THAT AND IT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO YEAH, THE GRANT WILL TAKE CARE OF, UH, UH, OF THE REQUIREMENT.
AND WE, UM, AS LONG AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE IT DONE BY NEXT OCTOBER TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE STATE.
WE CAN, WE CAN ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING AND NOT COST THE CITIZENS MONEY.
SO THEN, UM, ITEM THREE H OH, THAT, UH, THAT ACTUALLY COVERS, THAT TAKES CARE OF, SO WE GET THE MONEY
AND THAT'S WHAT THE G N H KIND OF GO TOGETHER.
UM, THE, UM, THE PROPOSAL DIDN'T COME IN IN TIME FOR ME TO PUT 'EM ON ONE COVERS
SO NEXT UP IS THE FY 24 BUDGET AMENDMENT TO ACCEPT THE, UH, D C I S ARPA PUBLIC SAFETY GRANT AND APPROVE THE PURCHASES OF ADVANCED LICENSE PLATE FOR AND TWO VEHICLES FOR THE NARCOTICS INVESTIGATIONS DIVISION.
I'M ASSUMING CHIEF IS GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THAT, OR YOU, YOU SAID WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS FAR AS THE BUDGET AMENDMENT GOES,
AND SO THAT QUESTION, SO THE, THE, SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT THE MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT ON THOSE ITEMS, OBVIOUSLY, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S, IT IS A TECHNOLOGY AND EQUIPMENT GRANT, RIGHT? SO IT HAS TO BE SPENT ON THINGS FOR TECHNOLOGY EQUIPMENT, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT THAT WE ANNOUNCE FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T GONNA ACTUALLY READ THE AGENDA, UM, SUMMARY OR, UM, PICK UP NOTHING BUT THE BULLET POINTS FROM THE PRESS THAT, UM, NUMEROUS OTHER AGENCIES IN NANDO VALLEY, INCLUDING WARREN COUNTY, ARE ALREADY UTILIZING THIS SYSTEM.
WE'RE NOT INFRINGING UPON PEOPLE'S RIGHTS AND SPYING ON THEM IN PUBLIC.
WE'RE NOT SELLING THEIR INFORMATION.
BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO CLARIFY AS WE HAVE LEARNED JUST BEFORE COMING TO COUNCIL TONIGHT ON THE NEWS, THERE WAS A MURDER IN, UH, BE LAKE AT BERK LAKE.
UH, THEY HAD AN IDEA WHO DID IT, THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHERE HE WAS, BUT BECAUSE OF A LICENSE PLATE READER IN NEW JERSEY, I GUESS PD PLUGS IN INFORMATION, AND THEY FOUND THIS GUY, HE IS UNDER ARREST.
SO IT WAS VERY TIMELY, UH, TO THIS, BUT AN AMAZING USE OF THAT TECHNOLOGY.
AND I AGREE WITH EVERYONE THAT THIS IS NOT AN INFRINGEMENT ON.
IT'S NOT, AND I MEAN, JUST TO KIND OF MAKE EVERYBODY ASSUAGE ANY FEARS YOU MAY HAVE IT, IT'S ALL OF THE INFORMATION, IT'S ALL ALPHANUMERIC NUMBERS ON THE BACK OF A CAR, WHICH IS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN A PUBLIC ROAD, BUT THEY ARE, ALL OF THE ACCESS TO IT IS LIMITED THROUGH VS.
AND NC VIRGINIA CRIME INFORMATION NETWORK AND NATIONAL CRIME INFORMATION NETWORK.
BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE, THERE'S, THERE'S A, ALL THE CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT A POLICE OFFICER WOULD HAVE TO MAKE TO RUN THE RUN A LICENSE.
IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL LOGGED AND TRACKED, SO NOBODY CAN MISUSE THE INFORMATION.
IT, IT, IT'S ALL RUN THROUGH THOSE, THOSE CRIME DATABASES THROUGH THE COMMONWEALTH AND, AND THE NATIONAL SYSTEM AS WELL.
SO UNLESS YOU'RE WANTED THIS AUTOMATED SYSTEM READING YOUR LICENSE PLATE NUMBER WILL NOT HURT YOU.
IF YOU ARE WANTED, AND IF YOU ARE BREAKING THE WALL, YOU SHOULD NOT DRIVE A CAR.
THEY'LL BE MOUNT IN IN THE CARS, COME TO FRONT ROLL
WHAT'S THAT? THEY'LL BE IN THE CARS OR THEY'RE GONNA BE NO, THEY'RE GONNA BE STATIONARY.
WE'RE LOOKING TO PURCHASE SIX CAMERAS AND FOUR YEARS OF SERVICE.
AND THE GRANT COVERS THE ENTIRE AMOUNT.
AND I BELIEVE WE WERE LOOKING INTO THE SERVICE BEFORE WE EVER, UM, TALKED ABOUT THE SCHOOL ENFORCEMENT SPEEDING.
SO THIS GRANT WOULD COVER FOUR YEARS, RIGHT? SO AT THE END OF FOUR YEARS, THEN WE'D HAVE TO, UH, REASSESS OKAY.
AT THE END OF FOUR YEARS, ALL THE TECH IS OUTDATED ANYWAY.
I THINK IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE SAME TYPE OF WHEN YOU GUYS SWITCH TO LEASING YOUR, UM, UH, RADIOS AND STUFF, THE RADIOS AND THE BODY CAMERAS, IT ALL MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THE TECH, THE TECH'S OUT THERE, THERE'S NO POINT IN BUYING 'EM EVERY TIME.
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YES, YOUR HONOR.UH, TO POINT OUT THERE IS THE, UH, VIRGINIA SUPREME COURT CASE THAT ADDRESSED, UH, APRS, UM, AND DETERMINE THAT, UH, IT DOES NOT CAPTURE PERSONAL, PERSONAL INFORMATION AS THE CHIEF EXPLAINED, YOU HAVE TO GO TO OTHER SYSTEMS IF WARRANTED.
I THINK IT TRIGGERS A HOT LIST NOTIFICATION.
AND THEN YOU GO TO OTHER INFORMATION SYSTEMS. SO THE A L P R ITSELF DOES NOT CAPTURE PERSONAL INFORMATION, AND THEREFORE IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THE, UH, VIRGINIA GOVERNMENT DATA COLLECTION DISSEMINATION PRACTICES ACT, THE PRI PRIVACY ACT.
A LOT OF MY CLIENTS USE THESE FOR WORK, SO I INSTALL 'EM ALL THE TIME.
AND THEY'RE SIMPLY WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, I, I GET 'EM ASKING, ASKING ME ABOUT, HEY, THEY, THEY THINK SOME OF THE CLIENT COMPANIES THINK THAT THEY, IT TIES INTO THE VV.
SO WHATEVER DATABASE IS TIED TO THIS, IN THIS CASE, OF COURSE, LAW ENFORCEMENT OF COURSE, BUT I'M SURE WE'LL WAKE UP TO SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE TOMORROW.
YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S ONLY AS GOOD AS THE DATABASE IT'S TIED TO.
IT'S THAT'S, AND THESE ARE THROUGH THE VIRGINIA CRIME INFORMATION THAT WORK.
AND SO USUALLY WHEN I, WHENEVER I TELL PEOPLE THAT, THEY'RE LIKE, WHATCHA ARE YOU GONNA DO? IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU GOTTA RECORD ALL LARGE EMPLOYEES LICENSE PLATES, AND THEN YOU GOTTA BUILD YOUR OWN DATABASE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, AND IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PART WHERE THEY'RE LIKE, HUH.
UM, AND THEY DO JUST THAT THEY, THEY JUST, THEY JUST PULL WHATEVER'S, UH, INFORMATION ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
AND IT'S NOT ON THE PERSON, IT'S JUST ON THE VEHICLE ITSELF AND WHO IT, WHO IT'S REGISTERED TO.
THIS ISN'T STUFF FROM A TOM CLANCY, RIGHT? RIGHT.
NO, THIS ISN'T LIKE C S I MIAMI OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
LIKE I SAID, WHEN THAT'S LIKE, WHEN YOU GO MARKETPLACE, FOR INSTANCE, YOU SEE PEOPLE BLURTING OUT THEIR LICENSE PLATES FOR CARS PER SALE.
AND IT'S LIKE, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS.
YOU CAN SEE A LICENSE PLATE, PLAIN J I MEAN, AVERAGE JOE'S NOT GOING TO KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT, SO MIGHT HELP FIND YOUR STOLEN VEHICLE.
FOUND A LOT OF THEM, THE CHIEF OF WINCHESTER, AND SHE'S LIKE, WE, RIGHT.
SO DOES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MAKE MONEY OFF THOSE
SO THAT'LL BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WELL.
UM, ALTHOUGH I, TO NOT BE PULLED OFF, TO NOT BE PULLED OFF.
TO NOT BE PULLED OFF, WE HAVE, SO FOUR A, UM, IS THE REVIEW OF THE AUTOMATED SYSTEM SPEED ENFORCEMENT SYSTEMS AGREEMENT WITH BLUE LINE.
AND SO COUNSEL, UM, WAS PROVIDED, UH, THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN BLUE LINE AND THE TOWN FRONT.
ROYAL, LET ME, LET ME BACK UP.
THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT
SO I WILL, I'VE GOT LOTS OF QUESTIONS, BUT I CAN GO AFTER EVERYBODY ELSE WHERE I CAN START FIRST.
SO ON PAGE FIVE, MR. UM, SONNET ON PAGE AND SOME OF THESE, THEY'RE GONNA SOUND RANDOM, BUT IT'S OKAY.
UM, SO PAGE FIVE, UM, IT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT TRANSPARENT AUDIT PROCESS FOR ALL PAYMENT COLLECTED.
SO, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A QUESTION FOR YOU AND MR. WILSON.
A PARAGRAPH NUMBER, UH, I'M SORRY, A PARAGRAPH NUMBER? NUMBER FIVE.
SO, UM, IT MENTIONS THE, UM, THE MUNICIPALITY SHALL DEFER ALL PAYMENTS TO B L S IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A TRANSPARENT AUDIT PROCESS FOR ALL PAYMENT COLLECTED.
MY QUESTION IS, WILL THIS BE PART OF THE TOWN'S AUDIT? NO.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE, LIKE THE AUDIT WOULD BE THEIRS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT COLLECTING ALL THIS DATA WHEN YOU DO YOUR YEARLY AUDIT WITH THE FOLKS WE JUST HIRED, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY WOULD, UH, SO ALL WE WOULD, WE WOULD JUST BE, UH, BRINGING IT IN AS A REVENUE SOURCE.
SO NUMBER 10 WAS, OH GOD, SORRY.
SO IT SAYS MUNICIPALITY SHALL COMPLY WITH THE MAINTENANCE PROCEDURES AND MANUFACTURER RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OPERATIONS AT A S E SYSTEM.
UM, AND I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I GUESS MY THOUGHT IS, SO WE JUST NEED TO BE VERY
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MUCH AWARE OF THOSE MAINTENANCE PROCEDURES.'CAUSE SOMEWHERE ELSE IT MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT WARRANTY.
UM, SO I'M ASSUMING THEN MR. SONNET THAT IF FOR SOME REASON WE DID NOT, UM, FOLLOW THE MANUFACTURER RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OPERATING IT, THAT WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
SO ON DO YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU WHAT PAGE? PAGE? YEAH, I HAVE, I HAVE IT HERE.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S JUST KIND OF A BLANKET STATEMENT.
UH, UM, I CAN SEE CLARIFYING LANGUAGE ON THAT.
UM, IT, OBVIOUSLY THE PURPOSE OF IT IS, UM, SO WE DON'T TOUCH THEIR STUFF SO WE DON'T HARM THE EQUIPMENT YEAH.
THAT, THAT THEY'VE PAID FOR AND SURE.
UM, THE RAMIFICATION, WELL, IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT IT IS IF, IF ANY, RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO I, I CAN GET A CLARIFICATION.
THAT'S KINDA WHY I ASKED IT SO I CAN GET A CLARIFICATION.
SO A CROSS REFERENCE ON THAT, IF I MAY MM-HMM.
UM, LIKE IF WE TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IF THEY LEAVE THAT EQUIPMENT IN PLACE, LIKE ISN'T THAT A LIABILITY FOR US? I MEAN, BECAUSE IF, IF WE'RE GONNA BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, MAKING SURE THAT NOTHING HAPPENS TO IT AND WE'VE TERMINATED THE AGREEMENT AND THEY LEAVE THE, WE TERMINATED.
IF, IF TO ME, IF, IF THEY LEAVE THEIR EQUIPMENT, WE'VE TERMINATED THE AGREEMENT THAT'S THEIRS, THAT'S ON THEM.
I, I AGREE WITH THAT'S, BUT AGAIN, I CAN GET CLARIFYING LANGUAGE.
I THINK THAT ONE PROBABLY, I'M GONNA MAYOR MATT, MAY I SPEAK JUST FOR A SECOND, FOLKS? YOU KNOW, AND I FALL BACK, I SIT HERE WITH 40 YEARS UNDER MY BELT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
UM, I'VE GONE TO TOWN COUNCIL AND I'VE GONE TO BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND ALL THROUGH MY STUFF.
UM, IF BLUE LINE AND OR IF ANY COMPANY COMES IN HERE WITH A CONTRACT THAT ONE OF OUR DIRECTORS, OR IN THIS, IN THIS CASE OUR CHIEF HAS GONE THROUGH, WE BEAT THIS HORSE FOR SIX WEEKS NOW, YOU KNOW, UH, BRIDGEWATER HAS IT.
THE CHIEF IN BRIDGEWATER THINKS THEY'RE WONDERFUL.
UH, THERE'S OTHER, THERE'S OTHER JURISDICTIONS AROUND THAT THINKS IT'S WONDERFUL.
UH, AND NO OFFENSE TO ANYBODY, BUT I SEE THAT ALL WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE NITPICKING THESE CONTRACTS APART.
WE'VE HAD AN ATTORNEY SPEND TIME ON 'EM TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE CORRECT.
WE'VE HAD OUR POLICE, TOO, SPEND TIME ON THEM, MAKE SURE THEY'RE CORRECT.
I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THE THING I SAID SECOND, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE BEAT THIS HORSE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE DON'T GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS.
YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE GONNA TRY AND MESS THIS OVER WITH SOMETHING, ALL THESE OTHER JURISDICTIONS WOULDN'T BE DOING IT.
I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, IF, IF, IF TO, IF A MONTH FROM NOW OR WHENEVER THEY, THEY COULD HAVE THIS STUFF INSTALLED, I'M NOT GONNA BE GO HOME AND LAY MY HEAD DOWN.
IF A CHILD GETS HIT ON CHRYSLER ROAD, TRYING TO CROSS THE ROAD BY A SPEEDING VEHICLE, GOD FORBID, GETS PUT IN A WHEELCHAIR OR EVEN WORSE, GETS PUT ON A PROSPECT HILL CEMETERY, AND WE'VE GOT THE MEANS TO STOP THIS OR NOT, I WON'T SAY STOP IT.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, AS A TENANT AFFORD TO HIRE SIX OR EIGHT MORE POLICE OFFICERS FOR CHIEF TO PUT 'EM ON THE STREET.
YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THIS, THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST SOLUTIONS I HAVE LOOKED AT OTHERS, UM, AND I'LL BRING IT UP.
I'VE WORKED ACCIDENTS YEARS AGO WHERE THERE WAS, THERE WAS A CHILD HIT IN A CROSSWALK WITH THE LITTLE FLASHING SIGNS UP.
AND I DON'T WANT OUR OFFICERS, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY IN THIS TOWN TO HAVE TO SEE OR EXPERIENCE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND SAY, GEORGE, LET'S GET THIS DONE.
LET'S GET, LET'S GET THIS IN THE WORKS BEFORE SOMEBODY GETS HURT.
SO I, SO I JUST WANNA SAY, I, I FRIENDED THIS CONVERSATION WITHOUT A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND, AND I'M, AND I'M GONNA STILL ASK THEM, BUT, UM, AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE I, IT'S, WHEN MR. SONIC CAME TO US, HE SAID THIS, THAT HE WOULD PREPARE OR HE WOULD TAKE WHAT THEY HAD AND LOOK AT IT AND WE WOULD VET IT.
AND IT'S STILL KIND OF LIKE A NEGOTIATION.
WE'RE WE'RE SAYING, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED, WHAT WE DON'T NEED.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE COVERED ALL OF OUR MM-HMM.
SO IT WASN'T UNTIL LATE LAST WEEK THAT I, I WAS ABLE TO WRESTLE
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THIS THING.UM, UH, SOME, I GOT SOME GUIDANCE FROM, UH, FAKI COUNTY.
THEY ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT IN AUG.
SO IF YOU RECALL, THIS IS COOPERATIVE PROCUREMENT.
SOME OTHER ATTORNEYS, THE LOCAL, SO, SO, UH, THE TEMPLATE IS, IS SET MORE OR LESS, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN VARY THE TERM SOMEWHAT, UM, IN MY VIEW, YOU CAN MAKE IT, UM, WELL, YOU CAN TAILOR IT TO THE JURISDICTION.
AND YOU AND MY VIEW, YOU CAN MAKE IT MORE RESTRICTIVE IN FAVOR OF THE JURISDICTION.
YOU CAN'T, UH, MAKE IT MORE FAVORABLE FOR THE CONTRACTOR.
THAT, IN MY VIEW, WOULD BE A POTENTIAL VIOLATION OF IMPAIRMENT LAW.
SO I GOT THE ER AGREEMENT, AND I LOOKED AT THE, THE TWEAK, SO TO SPEAK, THAT THEY MADE, UM, I MADE MY OWN EDITS.
UH, I HAVE MY RED LINE RIGHT HERE.
UM, I GOT WITH BLUE LINE, UM, AND I MUST SAY THEY WERE TERRIFIC.
I FRIDAY GETTING THIS TO FINAL FORM.
AND I SAID, WHAT I REALLY WANT IS I WANT A SIGNATURE ON IT FROM BLUE LINE THAT YOU, THAT YOU'RE ON BOARD WITH ALL THESE CHANGES THAT NOT, NOT TO, UH, MAKE LIGHT OF ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, THE TWO THAT WERE ALREADY RAISED, UM, I, I CAN SEE THAT THEY CALLED FOR SOME CLARIFICATION.
UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BACKGROUND.
UM, UM, AND THE LETTER THAT IS CIRCULATED WAS AN ATTACHMENT THAT DIDN'T GET INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA.
AND YOU SPOKE WITH FA HERE COUNTY.
I, WELL, I, YOU LOOKED AT THEIR CONTRACT.
I CONTACTED THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND ASKED FOR A COPY OF, HAVE YOU TALKED TO FREDERICK COUNTY? THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONTRACTING.
FREDERICK COUNTY'S USING BLUE LINE AS WELL.
I HAVEN'T TALKED TO YEAH, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE, THEY'RE GONNA BE TRAFFIC CAMERAS FOR, FOR FOR TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE THE SCHOOLS ON THERE.
F**K, YOUR ACTUALLY HAD A SIGNED AGREEMENT OF A IN AUGUST.
I WANTED ONES THAT WERE ACTUALLY ENTERED INTO.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S SOME BACKGROUND.
SO FOR NUMBER 12 AND 16, THEY BOTH ARE KIND OF THE SAME QUESTION.
AND I THINK YOU, YOU HAVE SAID BEFORE YOU THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE ADDRESSED, BUT BASICALLY NUMBER 12, AND I DON'T, I'M ASSUMING, ASSUMING YOU PRONOUNCE IT FORCE MAJEURE, I'M NOT SURE.
UM, BUT BASICALLY I'M JUST ASKING, WE, WE'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE, NOBODY'S CONFIRMED IT.
SO DOES THIS COVER US IF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WOULD CHANGE THE CODE? IT DOES.
THAT WOULD ALLOW SPEAKING, IT DOES IT, IT, IT'S IN HERE.
I THINK IT'S ADDRESSED IN THE TERMINATION SECTION.
SO IF YOU GO TO EXHIBIT A, UM, EXHIBIT A NUMBER THREE SAYS THAT SUBSEQUENT NOTICES OR COLLECTION NOTIFICATIONS MAY BE DELIVERED.
AND THEN IT SAYS, FOR ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION, THE B L L S AS AGREED BY PARTIES.
SO MY QUESTION IS, SO IF PEOPLE WHO GET THESE CITATIONS DON'T INITIALLY PAY THE FINE, DOES THE TOWN HAVE TO PAY FOR THE ADDITIONAL NOTICES TO GET THE FINE? 'CAUSE IT'S VERY SPECIFIC IN THREE A, WAIT A EXHIBIT A THREE, IT TALKS ABOUT MAYBE YOU DELIVER FIRST CLASS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
BUT THEN IT SAYS, FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMON, IT'S THE LAST SENTENCE, SUBSEQUENT NOTICES OR COLLECTIONS NOTIFICATIONS MAY BE DELIVERED.
IF YOU KEEP GOING, IT SAYS, FOR ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION TO B L S.
SO, UM, SO I GUESS THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A NECESSARY NOTICE.
UM, AS FAR AS THE FEE, UM, LEMME SEE IF THAT'S IN FEE SCHEDULE.
IF, IF B SEVEN SAYS THE AGENCY SHALL DILIGENTLY PROSECUTE EACH VALID NOTICE OF LIABILITY AND COLLECT ALL FINES.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY MEAN BY, AND THEN 11 ON EXHIBIT B SAYS, THE TOWN AGREES TO REASONABLY PURSUE PAYMENTS.
AND OF COURSE, MY QUESTION IS WHAT'S REASONABLY, IS THERE SOME CRITERIA? WHAT IF WE DON'T, ARE WE RESPONSIBLE? WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT HERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT WAS MORE CONFUSING AND I HAD IT STRICKEN.
SO REASONABLE IS WHAT WE THINK IS REASONABLE.
WHICH MEANS IN GOOD FAITH, RIGHT? SO THAT WE MAKE GOOD FAITH EFFORTS TO COLLECT.
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SO AGO, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS THAT IN ANY LOCALITY THAT'S ALREADY USING IT, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT WHEN THEY GET A CITATION, THEY JUST GO ON AND PAY IT? WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT, UM, UH, APPEAL IT OR WHATEVER THE WORD IS CALLED? AND THEN WHAT ARE THE PERCENTAGE PEOPLE THAT JUST DON'T PAY IT AT ALL? UM, 'CAUSE I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S WHERE THIS EXHIBIT A NUMBER THREE WOULD BE.WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, IN CASE NOBODY CAN READ BETWEEN MY LINES, IS LIKE IF WE, THEY'RE SENDING OUT THE NOTICES, AND THEN THE SECOND NOTICE IF AFTER THAT SECOND NOTICE PEOPLE DON'T PAY, WE ARE NOT GONNA THEN BE RESPONSIBLE TO CONTINUE TO COLLECT IT.
IS WHAT I'M, IS WHAT I'M ASKING, AM I ASKING THAT THE RIGHT WAY? DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ASKING? LIKE, IS IT GONNA BECOME THE TOWN'S RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE THE PAYMENT OF THAT? RIGHT.
AND IF SO, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT STAFF? STAFF AND THEIR JOB? THAT'S WHAT I'M, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF, AM I ASKING? YEAH.
IS THAT A FAIR QUESTION? IT IS, IT IS.
UM, WELL, I THINK, THINK THE OBLIGATION, AS IT SAYS IS RE REASONABLE EFFORTS.
SO IT, UM, AGAIN, THERE WAS CONFUSING LANGUAGE AFTER THAT THAT I HAD STRICKEN.
LET ME SEE WHAT IT, HOW IT USED TO READ.
UM, WHAT'S THE STATUTORY PERIOD? WE ALREADY KNOW THAT IN THE SAME EXHIBIT A THREE, UM, I'M SORRY, THE STATUTORY PERIOD FOR WHAT? I DON'T KNOW, AN EXHIBIT A NUMBER THREE, THE SAME PLACE LORI'S ON IT SAYS EACH NOTICE SHALL BE DELIVERED BY FIRST CLASS MAIL TO THE REGISTERED OWNER WITHIN THE AGREED OR STATUTORY STATUTORY PERIOD.
I'M ASSUMING THEY MEAN THAT THE STATE GIVES SO MANY DAYS FOR THEM TO RECEIVE IT AFTER THEY VIOLATE, AFTER THEY'VE, AND HOW LONG CAN THEY GIVE YOU A CHIEF? HOW LONG CAN THEY GIVE YOU A TICKET AFTER YOUR, THAT IS IN THE STATUTE? SO, SO THAT'S THE MESSAGE.
SO, UM, IT'S OKAY IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER.
WELL, I JUST, I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER ABOUT THE THAT'S FINE.
I DON'T IF THE CHIEF HAS ARE, BUT MY QUES, AND EVEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE STATS RIGHT NOW, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS, IS THAT I DON'T WANT THIS, I JUST WOULD NOT WANT US TO GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE IF, YOU KNOW, 25% OF THE PEOPLE DON'T PAY THAT WE'VE GOTTA USE STAFF TIME TO BE TRACKING THESE PEOPLE DOWN, OR SINCE IT'S ALREADY A VIOLATION, AND IF OUR OFFICERS HAVE VETTED IT, OR WE RESPONSIBLE, I MEAN, DO WE, YOU KNOW HOW IT'S ALL THIS WHOLE, WE PAY THEM SO MUCH PER, UM, VIOLATION, $25 PER VIOLATION.
WELL, IF WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR 10 VIOLATIONS AND WE HAVE TO PAY THEM $250, BUT THOSE 10 PEOPLE NEVER PAY IT, HOW DO WE EVER GET IT FROM THEM? NO, IT'S, IT'S WHEN THEY'RE PAID.
OTHER REALLY, AND, AND, UM, I WAS ABLE TO NEGOTIATE IT TO AN 80 20 SPLIT.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE TERRIFIC ABOUT THAT.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THE ANSWER, BUT IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH.
I GUESS I, AND I'M HAPPY TO GET BACK TO COUNSEL WITH ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT DOES MY QU DOES MY QUESTION MAKE SENSE? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ASKING? LIKE, BASICALLY HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE TO PURSUE THE, YOU KNOW, BE THE BUSH TO GET THE MONEY? CIVIL FINE.
UM, ALSO IT TALKS ABOUT REASONABLY AVAILABLE VEHICLE REGISTRATION.
I'M ASSUMING THAT ALL COMES FROM THE D M V RECORDS, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO LIKE TRACK THAT DOWN ON A FOUR.
UM, CHIEF WRIGHT VEHICLE REGISTRATION WOULD ALL COME THROUGH THE D M V RECORDS, RIGHT? YES.
WHAT, WHAT SECTION ARE YOU ON? A FOUR EXHIBIT A FOUR.
THE B L S SHALL PROVIDE REASONABLY AVAILABLE VEHICLE REGISTRATION INFORMATION NECESSARY TO ISSUE NOTICES LACK? YES.
IT'LL, IT WOULD BE, IT'D BE ALL FROM THEM.
IT CAN GO THROUGH, YES, MA'AM.
AND THEN NUMBER 11, ON THAT SAME, A 11 SAYS THEY'LL PROVIDE ONE 30 DAY WARNING PERIOD AT NO CHARGE TO MUNICIPALITY AS PART OF THIS AGREEMENT, WHICH WE ALREADY KNEW THAT.
AND THEN IT SAYS, ADDITIONAL WARNING PERIODS AS REQUESTED WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE FEES PER EXHIBIT C.
DO OTHER LOCALITIES DO MORE THAN A 30 DAY WARNING PERIOD, DO YOU THINK? NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
MOST, MOST, MOST OF THE FOLKS THAT WE'VE TALKED WITH, IT'S BEEN THAT 30 DAY PUBLIC EDUCATION PERIOD AND THE 30 DAY WARNING PERIOD BEFORE ANY OF THE VIOLATION, ANY ACTUAL MONETARY
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PENALTIES ASSOCIATED WITH A VIOLATION.AND WHAT I DID NEGOTIATE THERE IS, IS A CLEAR DIVISION BETWEEN THE ED EDUCATIONAL PERIOD OF 30 DAYS AND THE WARNING PERIOD, IT WAS NOT CLEAR THAT, UM, THEY DID NOT NECESSARILY OVERLAP.
SO IN TOTAL, IT'S GONNA BE 60 DAYS BEFORE IT IMPLEMENTED.
UH, B, EXHIBIT B, UM, I THINK I ALREADY BROUGHT UP NUMBER SEVEN.
UM, WHICH IS ABOUT THE AGENCY SHALL DILIGENTLY PROSECUTE EACH VALID NOTICE OF LIABILITY AND COLLECT ALL FINES.
THE AGENCY MEANS THE, THE PD PD.
SO THE PD SHALL DILIGENTLY PROSECUTE EACH VALID NOTICE OF LIABILITY AND COLLECT ALL FUNDS.
AND AGAIN, IT'S BACK TO THAT WHOLE QUESTION OF DILIGENTLY, JUST LIKE DILIGENTLY AND REASONABLY, THESE ARE SUBJECTIVE WORDS TO ME.
BUT ANYWAY, NUMBER 10, CHIEF HAD HIS HAND UP.
SO, JUST AS A QUESTION, GEORGE WOULD JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CIVIL PENALTY THAT WE ASSESS FOR PARKING, WOULDN'T IT KIND OF BE THE SAME THING? IT IS.
SO WE, I MEAN, IT'S A DEBT, SO I, YEAH, I I ASSUME THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD PURSUE THEM JUST AS WE WOULD SOMEBODY WHO HADN'T PAID A PARKING TICKET OR ANYTHING ELSE.
SO IF IT'S 200 PEOPLE THAT DON'T PAY IT, THEN GEORGE IS GONNA HAVE TO GO TO COURT OR GONNA HAVE TO FILE PAPERS TO GET HOWEVER MANY.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING BEFORE, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY PAY IT WITHOUT ANY QUESTION.
I'M GONNA BE HONEST WITH ME THAT I'M THAT PERSON.
WE GET A TOTAL THING IN THE MAIL SHOOT.
BUT NOT EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY COMPLIES QUITE LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO QUIZ THEM ABOUT THOSE STATISTICS.
AND MAYBE THEY HAVE OR MAYBE THEY DON'T, BUT, UM, INDICATES 80% OKAY.
THAT'S BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE OF THAT YOU'RE SAYING 'CAUSE OF THEM SAYING 80 TWICE, WELL, IT'S 80 20 IS THE DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.
SO YOU'RE ASSUMING IF SOMEBODY'S WEALTHY, THEY'LL PAY IT
UM, THE NUMBER 10, I KNOW EXHIBIT B IT SAYS HAS AVAILABLE A JUDGE.
UM, AND I JUST WAS CURIOUS, DID WE, UM, HAVE WE GOTTEN ANY INPUT FROM THE JUDGES OR THE COURTS OR MAYBE IN OTHER LOCALITIES, LIKE DOES THIS INCREASE THEIR WORKLOADS FOR DISPUTED CITATIONS? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE, I, I SIMPLY HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE JUDGE.
I, I THINK I INDICATED I WOULD DO THAT AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE.
AND I'M, I MEAN, I'M THINKING THAT OTHER LOCALITIES THOUGH BLUE LINE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAY IT HASN'T BEEN A PROBLEM FOR OTHER, YOU KNOW, OTHER LOCALITIES.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO, UM, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE COVER ALL OUR BASES.
NO, I'M, I'M, I'M GOING TO, I'LL PLAN TO MEET WITH THE GENERAL DISTRICT COURT JUDGE.
AND, AND THE CLERK OF COURT NUMBER 11 WAS THE SAME QUESTION ON B IT'S THAT VERY SAME QUESTION I HAD.
IT SAYS AGAIN, TOWN AGREES TO REASONABLY PURSUE PAYMENTS.
UM, AND THEN NUMBER 15 ON B SAYS THAT WE WILL REIMBURSE BLUE LINE FOR ANY NEGLIGENT OR INTENTIONAL DAMAGE TO THE SYSTEMS CAUSED BY THE MUNICIPALITY, ITS EMPLOYEES OR AUTHORIZED AGENTS.
AGAIN, I'M ASSUMING THEY MEAN IF OUR STAFF WERE TO TOUCH ANYTHING.
SO THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD TIE INTO THE EARLIER COMMENT ABOUT NOT MAINTAINING IT PROPERLY, BUT WE WOULD EVEN NEED TO TOUCH IT.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THEM.
WELL, LET ME TRY TO GO BACK TO, UM, MUNICIPALITY SHALL COMPLY WITH MAINTENANCE PROCEDURES AND MANUFACTURE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND I THINK THIS TIES IN THOSE TWO THINGS.
THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THERE.
I HAVE THAT IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT MENTIONED, THIS TIES IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
THAT IF WE DO ANYTHING THAT'S NEGLIGENT OR INTENTIONAL THAT DAMAGES THEIR INSTALLED EQUIPMENT, THEN WE DO HAVE LIABILITY.
FOR THE, FOR THE COST OF THE EQUIPMENT.
BUT NOT ALL WOULD BE, AS OUR STAFF WOULDN'T BE, WOULDN'T BE DOING ANYTHING TO THEIR EQUIPMENT BECAUSE IT'S THEM.
I MEAN, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW.
DO WE HAVE ANY, ONCE IT'S INSTALLED, WE DON'T.
WE FIND THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH IT.
WE WILL CALL THEM AND LET THEM ADDRESS IT.
OR IF IT'S DAMAGED BY SOMEBODY ELSE.
UNLESS THERE'S A, UNLESS A TRUE FALLS.
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AROUND IT.CAN I TAP IN ON, ON ABSOLUTELY.
ON 15 B AGAIN, A B 15 IF YOU WILL, UH, WITH REGARD TO VANDALISM, UHHUH
TO, UM, THAT, THAT'S, I I CAN ADD CLARIFI.
I CAN NEGOTIATE CLARIFYING LANGUAGE.
OBVIOUSLY THE TOWN WOULDN'T BE INVOLVED IN THAT.
IT ONLY SAYS MUNICIPALITY EMPLOYEES ARE ALL FORENSIC AGENTS', NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR COST.
WE WOULD REPAIR, WE WOULD INVESTIGATE IT.
BUT AS FAR AS RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE COST OF THE DAMAGE, I I WILL ASK FOR CLARIFYING LANGUAGE.
THIRD PARTY VANDALISM IS NOT, THEY MIGHT TOWN'S RESPONSIBILITY INSURANCE OR SOMETHING FOR THAT.
THEY COULD, OR MAYBE OUR, WE HAVE LIABILITY INSURANCE WITH THE TOWN THAT MIGHT TAKE CARE OF THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT TOO.
LIABILITY INSURANCE WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT.
FOR AN EXAMPLE, I WAS THINKING ABOUT A SNOW SNOWPLOW GOING BY AND TAKING OUT YEAH.
I WILL SAY THAT OUR STAFF, PARTICULARLY THE LECTURE DEPARTMENT MAINTAINS ALL OUR SCHOOL'S FLASHERS ALREADY.
SO THIS IS NOT A NEW REALM FOR THEM.
YOU KNOW, AND ACTUALLY WE'RE GONNA BENEFIT BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA UPDATE A LOT OF OUR SCHOOL EQUIPMENT AS WELL.
THE B 17 GEORGE, IT SAYS REPORTING UNPAID CITATIONS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHERE IT SAYS THE UNI MUNICIPALITIES SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REPORTING UNPAID CITATIONS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, WHICH IS THE WAY IN WHICH YOU GET THOSE OTHER CIVIL FUNDS.
SO IN CASE THERE'S ANY GARNISHING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE CAN GET THE MONEY BACK THROUGH THERE.
WE, WE, WE, THAT'S HOW WE WOULD IGNORE, WE WE PROSECUTE PEOPLE ON CIVIL VIOLATIONS FROM REGULARLY.
IT WOULD BE DONE THE SAME WAY.
SO MR. SONNET WOULD'VE THAT WORK? ALL RIGHT.
UM, C WAS, OKAY, C ONE B SAYS ONGOING SERVICE AND MAINTENANCE, SO THAT'S ON THEM.
UM, THEN IT ALSO SAYS UNDER D TWO, IT TALKS ABOUT A WARRANTY PERIOD.
UH, WHICH I, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS LIKE, I FELT LIKE THOSE WERE TWO THINGS THAT JUST WANT TO, LIKE, THAT'S ALL ON THEM, RIGHT? THEY TAKE CARE.
I THINK CHIEF ALREADY SAID THAT THEY TAKE CARE OF ALL THE SERVICE AND THE MAINTENANCE WITHIN, UM, IT, WHERE IS IT? IT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT WHERE WARRANTY PERIOD.
UM, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THE WARRANT, EVEN WHEN THE WARRANTY PERIOD, LET'S SAY WE ARE DOING THIS MORE THAN TWO YEARS.
'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE EQUIPMENT IN, WE'RE BOUND TO IT FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
IF AT THE END OF THOSE COUPLE YEARS, IF THE WARRANTY PERIOD RUNS OUT, THEN ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EQUIPMENT IN I DON'T KNOW.
IT, I MEAN, IT'S NOT OUR EQUIPMENT.
BECAUSE I'LL HAVE TO FIND THAT WHERE IT WAS.
SHOW, SEE, IT'S UNDER A RADAR FEEDBACK SIGNS ON NUMBER TWO.
IT SAYS B L SS WHEN WE PROVIDE SERVICE MAINTENANCE ON THE SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE MANUFACTURER'S WARRANTY PAGE.
HOW, UM, I COULD GET HELP HERE.
SO EXHIBIT C WHERE IT'S ON PAGE D, EXHIBIT D, PAGE 17.
AGAIN, THIS IS UNDER RADAR FEEDBACK SIDE.
I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WARRANTY PERIOD HAS TO BE THE SAME LOAN AS THIS TERM CONTRACT, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'D BE TAKING A RISK AT THE END OF THIS CONTRACT.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, IS THAT IT SHOULD BE, WE JUST NEED TO DEFINE WHAT THE WARRANTY PERIOD IS.
IT COULD BE FIVE YEARS, BUT I, AND I'LL TAKE THAT UP WITH THEM.
UM, IT, THE OTHER THING WAS THE SAME THING WE JUST HAD, IT WAS UNDER THE PART WHERE IT SAID CITATION ISSUANCE, IT'S D ONE C TI CITATION, ISSUANCE AND MAILING.
FIRST MAILED NOTICE, SECOND REMINDER MAILED NOTICE.
WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS THAT TIME IT SAYS SECOND REMINDER MAILED NOTICE, BUT IN A THREE IT SAID IT DIFFERENTLY THAT THEY WOULD ONLY DO IT THE FIRST TIME.
IT WAS JUST CONFLICTING THERE.
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AND E WHICH, WHICH THEY'RE, UM, THEY'RE, THE WAY IN WHICH THEY SET THIS UP IS AWKWARD, BUT E D IT'S E FIVE REALLY.BUT IT SAYS PAYMENT SERVICES FOR COLLECTIONS OF SUMMON PAYMENTS.
IT SAYS CALL CENTER, MAIL CENTER WEB PAYMENT, AND THEN COURT LIAISON SERVICES.
WHAT ARE COURT LIAISON SERVICES? CHIEF, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE? SO THAT WOULD BE IF SOMEONE CONTESTED A TICKET BASED ON THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE EQUIPMENT, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE A REPRESENTATIVE TO COME UP AND TESTIFY TO THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE EQUIPMENT WHO NOT LIKE AN OFFICER DOING SPEED MEASUREMENT, WHO WOULD B L S B L S.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT OUR COURT WOULD'VE TO DO THAT, UM, ON C TWO AND I, AMBER COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THIS ONE BETTER THAN, OR, OR THEY'RE RECOVERED IZED EQUALLY AND MONTHLY BY B L SS OVER THE INITIAL TERM OF THIS AGREEMENT FROM NET REVENUE GENERATED AND APPORTIONED TO B L S.
SO HOW, WHAT DO THEY MEAN BY THAT? LIKE BASICALLY EACH MONTH, THE PAYMENT, AND THEN IF WE GO, IS THAT WHERE THE REVENUE IS BEYOND SAYS, UH, AN APPORTION TO B L SS UNDER THIS REVENUE SHARING AGREEMENT? SO THIS IS A REVENUE SHARING AGREEMENT, WHAT WE'RE DOING THEN.
AND THEY'RE AMORTIZING AT THEIR NET, NOT THEIR GROSS.
SO THE 80 20, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, THE ADDITIONAL WARNING PERIOD WAS, UM, SO NUMBER THREE, IT SAYS ADDITIONAL WARNING PERIODS.
AND I KNOW CHIEF HAS SAID BEFORE ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL WARNING PERIOD TO THE PUBLIC, BUT THIS ONE ACTUALLY SAYS THE FEE FOR ADDITIONAL WARNING SHALL BE $25 PER PROCESSED WARNING.
DO THEY MEAN LIKE IF OUR OFFICER ALLOWS AN EXTRA WARNING, WHAT DO THEY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THE FEE FOR ADDITIONAL WARNINGS SHALL BE $25 PER PROCESS WARNING.
I'M REALLY CONFIDENT THAT'S FOR AN ADDITIONAL WARNING PERIOD.
THAT'S THAT LIKE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER WITH THE ADDITIONAL 30 DAY WARNING PERIOD.
SO IT SAYS PER PROCESSED WARNING.
SO IF YOU DID AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS, THEY WOULD CHARGE US.
THEY'RE GENERATING OVERHEAD FOR EVERY PROCESS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE INCURRING OVERHEAD WHILE WE GO THROUGH THESE 30 DAY PERIODS.
THEY'RE GIVING US THEIR EQUIPMENT'S IN PLACE AND, AND THEY'RE GETTING NO REVENUE.
SO THAT WOULD, WE WOULD ONLY INCUR THAT IF WE DECIDED TO GO BEYOND THE 30 DAYS.
UH, AND THIS JUST, THIS IS THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE FOR THE WHOLE THING FOR THAT.
UM, I KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT, WELL, I BELIEVE THAT THIS LETTER ANSWERS THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE, BUT IT SAYS, OF COURSE, UM, AND ONE EARLY TERMINATION OF SECTION THREE A PRIOR TO THE END OF THE INITIAL TERMIN, THIS AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE FULL PAYMENT OF 75,000 BUCKS PERSONAL A S C SYSTEM.
BUT THE LAST SENTENCE OF THAT SAYS, FULL PAYMENT OF ALL SUCH COSTS WILL BE DUE WITHIN 90 DAYS AFTER THE DATE OF TERMINATION.
SO I THINK IN THE, I THINK THE INTENTION IS TO MEAN THAT WITHIN 90 DAYS OF THE EARLY TERMINATION, UM, I THINK IT COULD BE ANY TERMINATION.
BUT COULD YOU DIRECT ME TO, UH, THE LAST SENTENCE OF ON, UH, PAGE 15? PAGE 15.
NUMBER TWO, THE VERY LAST SENTENCE, I'M JUST CALLING IT OUT BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONE OF QUESTIONS I HAD FOR THE, FROM THE GET GO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BUT THIS LETTER SAYS IT LIKE, IF, IF AT THE END OF TWO YEARS WE DON'T COLLECT THE MONEY BACK TO COVER THE WHOLE COSTS, ARE THEY GONNA COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU OWE IT WELL, OR 50, $50,000 SHORT, NOW YOU OWE US $50,000 WITHIN 98 END AGREEMENT, OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
BUT THIS LETTER HERE SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IN TWO YEARS THEY STILL DON'T COLLECT THE FULL AMOUNT THEN, RIGHT.
THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THE, THE, THE LETTERS ADDRESSING THE CITATION AND, AND, UM, TRYING TO MAKE CLEAR HERE.
NO, I MEAN, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ANSWER HERE.
IF SUCH REVENUE'S NOT SUFFICIENT TO PAY THE FEES ACCRUED IN EACH MONTH, ALL MONTH IS NOT THE GOLD BID, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
SO I, I THINK THE, OR JUST FOR THAT, I THINK THE PART OF IT, OR THE KEY TO IT IS, IS, UH, EARLY TERMINATION WITHOUT CAUSE.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE INTENTION OF IT IS.
BUT JUST, JUST ONE SENTENCE RIGHT HERE THOUGH SAYS THAT FULL PAYMENT OF ALL SUCH COSTS WILL BE DUE WITHIN 90 DAYS AFTER THE END OF TERMINATION.
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TERMINATION.WELL, I DIDN'T SAY EARLY TERMINATION.
THE VERY LAST SENTENCE, LIKE I SAID, IT JUST SAYS, WELL, BUT EARLIER IT SAYS EARLY TERMINATION.
I KNOW, BUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THE ONE, THE ONE SENTENCE RIGHT THERE THOUGH.
IT'S REFERRING TO EARLY TERMINATION.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING THAT IT IS.
YOU KNOW, SO, SO WE CAN ADD THE WORD EARLY.
JUST ADD TO WORD EARLIER TERMINATION.
THIS LETTER THOUGH THAT WE GOT GEORGE THOUGH DATE OF MARCH 31ST.
'CAUSE I KNOW IN THE AGREEMENT IT SAYS ANYTHING INTO IT AS AN EXPLANATION.
'CAUSE I KNOW IT SAYS IN HERE THAT ANYTHING THEY'VE SAID BEFORE OR AFTER, UNLESS IT'S IN THIS AGREEMENT, IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T COUNT, SO TO SPEAK.
D AND THIS MELISSA ALREADY BROUGHT UP EXHIBIT D THE PART ABOUT THE MANUFACTURER'S WARRANTY, AND YOU'RE GONNA CLARIFY THAT.
UM, IT MENTIONS LICENSE PLATE READERS, BUT WE, FROM WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER TONIGHT, WE'D BE GOING WITH A DIFFERENT COMPANY, NOT THIS COMPANY FOR LICENSE PLATE READERS.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THE CHIEF CAN ADDRESS THAT ONE.
SO, SO THEY WILL PROVIDE THEM FOR FREE, UH, BUT IT'S ONLY AT THESE LOCATIONS, RIGHT? DUE TO THE PLACEMENT OF THESE, UM, THEY'RE, THEY WOULD BE FAR LESS EFFECTIVE THAN WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO USE THE LICENSE PLATE READERS FOR.
AND SINCE THEY'RE SPEED CAMERAS, WE CAN ONLY USE THEM IN SCHOOL ZONES.
SO THAT'S, AND IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
THEY DO HAVE THAT CAPABILITY, BUT BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY ARE WITH THE SPEED ENFORCEMENT AND OUR CODE OF VIRGINIA PROHIBITING US FROM BEING ABLE TO PLACE THEM ANYWHERE OTHER THAN THE SCHOOL ZONES, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT BEAST.
UM, UNDER D NUMBER FOUR, IT SAYS, EXPERT WITNESS, UH, B L S SHALL PROVIDE EXPERT WITNESS AS REASONABLY NECESSARY TO ESTABLISH JUDAS JUDICIAL NOTICE FOR CONTESTED VIOLATIONS.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS REASONABLY NECESSARY.
AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN WHO ON STAFF WOULD, UM, BE THERE AS THE EXPERT WITNESS? NO ONE.
IF CHALLENGED, THEY'LL HAVE TO, UH, IT'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO SET A COURT DATE FOR THEM TO APPEAR.
AND GO THROUGH ALL OF THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF, OF THESE, UM, CAMERAS AND LIDAR, ET CETERA.
AND ONCE THAT'S DONE, THEN THE JUDGE CAN TAKE JU JUDICIAL NOTICE OF IT FOR ALL FUTURE CASES, BUT OKAY.
THAT, THAT WOULD ONLY BE FOR THE EQUIPMENT.
IF THE, IF THE OBJECTION WAS BASED ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS OF THE EQUIPMENT, IT WOULD BE AN OFFICER THAT WAS DOING IT.
SO THEY WOULD BE THERE FOR TECHNICAL EQUIPMENT, BUT WE'D HAVE TO PROVIDE AN OFFICER FOR, FOR ANY CONTESTED VIOLATION AS, AS ANY TRAFFIC VIOLATION.
AGAIN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT STAFF IMPACTS.
SO I KNOW THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY CITIZENS ABOUT LIKE, THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE WERE SAYING WE WERE GONNA DO IT AND PEOPLE WERE ASKING ABOUT IT BEING LESS TIME, MORE, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS.
BUT FROM THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, IT HAS TO BE FOR THE MATTER, WHATEVER THE LAW SAYS, IF THE LAW SAYS FOUR HOURS, WE GOTTA DO IT FOUR HOURS.
WELL, THE LAW SAYS WHEN IT'S AN ACTIVE SCHOOL ZONE.
AND, AND WE'RE GONNA DETERMINE WHEN THAT IS.
AND THAT'S THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT OUTSIDE OF ACTIVE SCHOOL ZONE TIMES.
BUT IT IS A, THE LAW SAYS JUST ACTIVE SCHOOL ZONE TIMES, RIGHT? IT DOES BECAUSE SCHOOLS STATE STATUTE SAYS YOU'RE STARTING.
NO, WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH, THIS IS LIKE KIDS START GETTING DROPPED OFF AT SEVEN 30 AT ELEMENTARY.
SO I THOUGHT THE TIME, I THOUGHT WE HAD TIME TWO HOURS.
TWO HOURS BEFORE AND TWO HOURS AFTER.
ATTACHMENT A IS THE SCHEDULE MM-HMM.
WAIT, WHAT THE ACTIVE SCHOOL ZONES ARE.
THERE'S SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN THE CODE THAT DESIGNATES THE TIME BEFORE THE DOOR'S OPEN AND AFTER THE DOOR'S CLOSED.
THAT WAS MY QUESTION IS, SO WE CAN'T DO IT LESS TIME.
WE HAVE TO DO IT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT, THAT THE LAW SAYS.
AND THEN MINIMUM ENFORCEABLE SPEED, LIMITED LIMIT PERMITTED BY LAW.
AND THAT WAS ALREADY CLARIFIED.
RIGHT? UM, RELATIONS WILL NOT ISSUE PRIOR TO 10.
I ACTUALLY TOOK THAT UP WITH THEM.
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THE STATUTE SAYS 10 OVER AT 11 OVER.I THINK IT MAKES TO MATCH THE STATUTE, NOT SOME OTHER, YEAH.
I'VE DONE THE VIOLATION INFORMATION SHEET, AND HONESTLY, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHERE I FOUND IT.
IT WAS, IT SAID FOR MAILING VIOLATIONS INCLUDES GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE AUTOMATED SPEED ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM.
THE VARYING METHODS OF WHICH, SO TO, TO VALIDATE.
SO WHEN IT SENDS A, A VI A VIOLATION IN THE MAIL, IT JUST TELLS THEM THAT THEY HAVE THIS VIOLATION.
BUT IT SAID THAT IF WE CHOSE TO HAVE THEM SEND THAT IN THEIR TWO, IT WOULD BE $2 50 CENTS.
I'M GUESSING IT'S PROBABLY AN EXTRA SHEET OF PAPER THAT HAS THE AUTOMATED SPEED ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM, THE VARYING METHODS IN WHICH IT IS ADMINISTERED AND TRAFFIC RELATED STATISTICS TO VALIDATE THE NEED FOR THE PROGRAM.
WE HAVEN'T SAID WE WERE DOING THAT, SO IT JUST LISTED IN THERE, BUT IT'S NOT, UM, I, GEORGE, I'LL HAVE TO FIND IT LATER.
I THOUGHT I HAD EVERYTHING WRITTEN DOWN.
IT'S THE EXACT PAGE, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHERE TO LOOK AT THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS THERE'S A CREDIT CARD FEE FOR THEM TO PAY IT OVER THE PHONE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S FOR THE CITIZEN.
AND I ASKED HIM ABOUT THAT $5 AND 90 CENTS.
THEY SAID THAT WHAT DO WE GET IF WE'RE PAYING IN A ELECTRIC BILL SERVICE PERCENTAGE, 2.35% PLUS A QUARTER.
I SAID, I THOUGHT IT SEEMS HIGH AND HOPEFULLY NONE OF US HAVE TO PAY ONE.
AND THEN, AND THEN THEY KEEP THAT THOUGH, THAT'S FOR THEM.
SO, 'CAUSE THEY, WELL, THE PRESUMPTION IS IT'S TO OFFSET THEIR COSTS.
THAT IT'S NOT A REVENUE, A REVENUE JUST PASSING THE COST THAT IT'S NOT A REVENUE CENTER.
I I, I, LIKE I SAID, I RAISED IT WITH THEM AND THEY SAID THAT'S WHAT IT COSTS.
ANYBODY ELSE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT YOU, MY ONLY COMMENT IS THAT WE WERE THE FIRST LOCALITY IN THE NORTHERN TODO VALLEY TO BRING BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS HERE.
AND WE'RE GONNA BE THE LAST COUNTY TO IMPLEMENT THEM.
HOPEFULLY WE'RE BEING RESPONSIBLE ABOUT GETTING ALL OUR
BUT AT THIS POINT, I WANNA SEE YOU GUYS DO THIS WITH EVERY R P THAT COMES BEFORE US.
I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING SINGULAR WORDS AND IN A DECLARATION THAT'S ALREADY ABOUT IT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M READY TO TAKE IT TO A VOTE.
HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS JORDAN.
I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
I'M THE TURNAROUND KID ON THIS ONE.
I, I STARTED DOWN THIS PATH REAL EARLY.
QUESTIONING IF THERE WERE
UH, I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT, UH, THIS IS IMPORTANT.
IT'LL BE, UH, MEAN BE OVERALL GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
I'VE ALREADY WATCHED CHICKEN GET RAN OVER OUR FRONT.
WAYNE, WE ALL, SO, SO COME ON.
WE'VE ALREADY, YOU'VE MA MADE IT CLEAR AT THE BEGINNING.
UM, SO DO WE PUT THIS ON THE 23RD OR IS THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT THING.
THIS WILL BE, UH, THIS WON'T BE ON THERE 'CAUSE
AND NEXT UP IS, THANK YOU ALL FOR GOING THROUGH THIS REVIEW OF LICENSE AGREEMENTS RELATED TO THE REQUEST TO VACATE PORTION NORTH ROYAL AVENUE AT 1516 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE AND AN ALLEY BETWEEN NORTH ROYAL AVENUE, VIRGINIA AVENUE FROM AARON HIKE.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE MR. WA ACTUALLY, UM, THAT WOULD, WELL ACTUALLY I'M ON THIS.
UM, JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW, WE DID RESEND LETTERS OUT TO CORRECT THE DATE ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS OCTOBER 23RD.
AND TONIGHT'S REALLY FOCUS IS TO TALK ABOUT THE TWO AGREEMENTS THAT ARE IN PLACE ON THE VACATION OF THE ALLEY, WHICH I'LL HAVE TO DEFER TO GEORGE ON, COMMENT ON THAT.
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OKAY.UM, SO A LITTLE UNUSUAL TO GIVE LEGAL OPINIONS AND OPEN, BUT HERE WE GO.
SO WE HAVE THIS, UH, LICENSE AND ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT, UM, DATED 24 MAY, 2021.
TANNER FRONT, ROYAL AND AARON.
UM, I THINK I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY THAT THERE'S A STATE STATUTE, WELL, I MENTIONED THAT THE, THE TOWN CHARTER, UH, HAS TWO PROVISIONS, UM, WHERE IT'S CLEAR, UH, ENCROACHMENTS ARE DISFAVOR.
UM, THAT SAID, THERE'S A STATE STATUTE AND, UM, UP HERE A MINUTE AGO.
IN ANY EVENT, THE STATE STATUTE BASICALLY SAYS THAT YOU CAN, UM, AUTHORIZE ENCROACHMENTS.
SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, UM, I'M SORRY, I'M BOUNCING AROUND.
QUITE A BIT FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
UM, UH, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, AGREEMENT IS, IS FINE IF, IF THAT'S COUNSEL'S, UM, CHOICE.
UM, THE FENCE IS AN ENCROACHMENT.
UM, SO IT QUALIFIES AN AS AN ENCROACHMENT.
UM, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, UM, IN PARTICULAR WAS TERMINATION.
I, I, I KNOW I DID ONE BACK IN 2012, UH, WHERE IT'S TERMIN BASICALLY TERMINATED ON VERY SHORT NOTICE IF COUNSEL SO CHOOSES THIS ONE.
IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, IT'S A LITTLE MURKY.
UM, IT HAS A FIVE YEAR TERM AND IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ELSE IN PARAGRAPH TWO TWO, UH, BUT THEN YOU GET TO, UH,
IF THEN YOU GET TO SIX AND IT STARTS TALKING ABOUT TERMINATION.
UM, PRIOR TO THE, UH, SCHEDULED EXPIRATION.
SO CLEARLY IT'S ENVISIONED, THERE'S, IT'S ENVISIONED THAT COUNSEL MAY END IT EARLY.
UM, AND IT TALKS ABOUT 60 DAYS, SO IT COULD BE A LITTLE CLEARER, BUT I WOULD INTERPRET IT THAT, UM, COUNCIL CAN END IT ON 60 DAYS NOTICE.
UM, OTHERWISE I THINK, UM, STATE LAW ENABLES THIS.
AND SO I, THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY COMMENTS ABOUT IT.
THE ENCROACHMENT STATE LAW ENABLES COUNSEL TO ENTER INTO, UH, AN AGREEMENT ALLOWING ENCROACHMENTS WITH TIMES.
WITH, WITH TIMES SPECIFIC OR, MM.
I DON'T THINK THE STATUTE GOES INTO THAT.
IT JUST SAYS, IT JUST SAYS YOU CAN DO IT.
I I DON'T THINK THE STATUTE GOES INTO DURATION.
SO AN ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT HAS TO BE ENTERED INTO BY COUNSEL.
BUT A LEASE AND LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR AN ENCROACHMENT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE BROUGHT BEFORE COUNSEL BECAUSE THAT WASN'T BROUGHT BEFORE COUNSEL.
WHAT DAY WAS THE ANSWER IS YES.
AND, UM, THE CLERK IS SAYING IT WAS, IT WAS, UM, CAN WE FIND THAT AND SEND THAT TO COUNSEL BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN, I HAD ASKED ABOUT THAT.
THE LAST ONE I WAS TOLD IT WAS DONE BY THE TOWN MANAGER AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY.
NO, IT WAS ON A CONSENT AGENDA IN 2021.
SO ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? UM, ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
IT IS ENTITLED LEASE AND LICENSE AGREEMENT 26TH JULY, UH, 2021.
TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, UH, MANSON.
UM, IT REPORTS TO, UH, GRANT A LEASE AND A LICENSE TO AN AREA OF LAND WITHIN TOWN RIGHT AWAY.
UM, FROM, FROM A PURELY LEGAL STANDPOINT.
THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THIS IS, UM,
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END OF JANUARY ONE NOVEMBER WE HAVE, I REMEMBER THAT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT EXCLUSIVE USE AND THE LEASE.THE WAY, I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST SURMA SURMISING, THAT COULD BE IT.
WHAT'S ODD IS IT GOES FROM FIVE TO SEVEN SKIPS.
NUMBER SIX,
PAGE THREE, IT TALKS ABOUT EXCLUSIVE USE OF THE PRESS.
DID SOMEONE HAVE IT? NO, IT WASN'T UNDER FIVE.
I JUST THOUGHT 'CAUSE THE USE OF THE PHARMACIST WOULD ME, I'LL PUT THE BACK AND FOUR EXCLUSIVE FOR THE EXCLUSIVE, WHEREAS PAGE TWO UP TOP SECOND, WHEREAS, THANK YOU.
THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE EXCLUSIVE USE OF THIS PARCEL.
IT'S THE TOWN'S USE IS, UH, IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PUBLIC USE.
SO THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE EXCLUSIVE USE TO CONVEY TO ANYBODY.
UM, THAT'S THE PROBLEM, UH, THAT IT PURPORTS TO CONVEY SOMETHING THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE.
WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, I'M CONFUSED.
'CAUSE IF WE, IF WE, WHEN THE, WHEN WE'VE HAD A TOWN THAT HAD RIGHT AWAY OR LIKE THE LOCKS THAT, THAT FOLKS WANTED TO, OR THE ALLEYWAYS THAT THEY WANTED TO VACATE MM-HMM.
FIRST YOU HAVE TO VACATE THE PUBLIC'S, RIGHT? OH, THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT'S NEVER, THAT'S WHY IT'S NEVER BEEN, IT'S A TWO STEP PROCESS.
FIRST YOU VACATE THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT.
OF INGRESS AND EGRESS, THEN IT BECOMES, UM, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY LIKE ANY OTHER TOWN PROPERTY, ALTHOUGH THAT'S AN OVERSIMPLIFICATION.
BUT ANY EVENT, UH, WITH AN EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY, THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE EXCLUSIVE USE TO CONVEY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS I WASN'T ALLOWED TO SPEAK AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING, BUT I HAD BROUGHT UP LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRE AND RESCUE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WHICH I GUESS THEY'VE TOLD ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS, THEY WOULD NEVER USE THAT.
IT'S NOT OUR TO GIVE AWAY IT'S HOURS.
UM, WHICH WAS LEADING ME TO THAT POINT ON HOW WE WERE ABLE TO ALSO, I JUST WOULD QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF THIS AND HOW IT GOT BY WITHOUT A NUMBER SIX, AS LORI POINTED OUT WITHOUT, WELL, IF YOU LOOK THROUGH, UM, ARTICLES 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7.
UM, THIS ONE DOES HAVE A, A CLEARLY HAS A 60 DAY TERMINATION PROVISION.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I THINK I'M INTERPRETING IS THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT, IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
BECAUSE WE WOULD'VE HAD TO HAVE VACATED IT.
AND THEN, AND I ONLY SAID, I MEAN, I KNOW OF OTHER SITUATIONS LIKE LEASE SOMETHING FOR A DOLLAR AND OR AT LEAST I KNOW ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT HAPPENED THE WAY THE WATER CAME DOWN THROUGH THERE SO THAT THE TOWN COULD BUILD UP THE BANK.
UM, BUT SO AM I CORRECT THAT YOUR INTERPRETATION IS THAT THAT THAT, UM, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO SOMEBODY WHICH WAS THE TOWN'S LAND? CORRECT.
IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN US IN AN ALLEY.
SOME OF THE ALLEYS THAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE WHERE
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WE SAID, YOU SIR MR. JOHN SMITH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN USE THAT BACK OF THAT ALLEY.EXCLUSIVELY TO RESTATE IT AGAIN, IT PURPORTS TO CONVEY AN INTEREST IN REAL PROPERTY THAT THE TOWN DIDN'T HAVE.
SO, UM, AND IT, IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT CAN BE TERMINATED ON SHORT NOTICE.
DOES COUNSEL WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS ANY FURTHER? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE, SINCE WE ARE GETTING LEGAL ADVICE, WHICH IS NORMALLY SOMETHING WE WOULD DO IN CLOSED, DO WE WANNA TAKE THIS TO A CLOSED MEETING? DO WE WANNA DISCUSS IT HERE? WHAT DO YOU GUYS PREFER TO DO AT THIS POINT? ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR, I'M GONNA, IS IT A CONTRACT? WOULD WE CALL THIS A CONTRACT CONTRACT? SURE.
SO YEAH, HOW DO WE, HOW WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO PROCEED KNOW WHEN EVERYBODY JUMP IN? BRUCE WAS STARTING, THAT'S WHY I WAS WAITING.
WELL, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE LEGALESE THAT OUR, OUR ATTORNEYS BROUGHT IN TO THIS ABOUT IT WAS SOMETHING, THIS PARTICULAR LEASE, UH, FOR THE PARKING IN THE, UH, IN THE, UH, IN THE ALLEY ALLEY.
UH, HOWEVER, THE FACT IS IS PREVIOUS COUNCIL SIGNED OFF ON THIS PREVIOUS COUNCIL, I MEAN, WOULD'VE BEEN PREVIOUS, UH, COUNCIL, RIGHT? YEAH.
SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU MEANT IF YOU MEANT TOWN COUNCIL.
'CAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY PREVIOUS TOWN COUNCIL WOULD'VE BEEN TOLD BY COUNCIL RIGHT.
THAT THIS WAS LEGAL
SO, AND UM, DOESN'T MEAN I'M CORRECT.
IT'S JUST MY OPINION, BUT RIGHT.
WELL, WE VALUE YOUR OPINION, GEORGE.
IT SOUNDS, IT SOUNDS I WILL SAY THAT SINCE THAT TIME WE'VE HAD, I'M TRYING TO THINK AT LEAST THREE, MAYBE NOW FOUR ALLEY SITUATIONS LIKE PRIOR TO THAT, I GOTTA TELL YOU, THERE, THERE WASN'T YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T REALLY HEAR MUCH ABOUT THAT.
AND SO, UM, SO I WOULD SAY THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE AS IT'S BECOME MORE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE ON THE PLATE OF THE COUNCIL AND MORE RESEARCH BEING DUG INTO THIS SITUATION AND MORE, UM, PUBLIC INPUT ABOUT THIS, IT DOESN'T TOTALLY SURPRISE ME THAT MAYBE IN SOMEBODY IN RESEARCHING IT IS LOOKING AT THIS SAYING, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS, THAT WE COULD DO THIS.
SO, AND IT DOES SEEM RECENT, BUT THERE, COUNSEL RECEIVED A LETTER TODAY FROM 2020 REGARDING THIS ALLEY VACATION.
PREDATES ALL OF THE OTHER ONES THAT I'VE SEEN IN MY TWO YEARS.
SO THIS WAS AN ATTEMPT THAT'S BEEN MADE FOR OVER THREE YEARS.
AND HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? I KNOW AT THE PRESENT IT'S STATED THAT THERE MAY NOT BE ANY NEED FOR SOME SORT OF INFRASTRUCTURE GOING THROUGH THEIR, LIKE RUNNING STORM WATER PIPES DOWN TO, UH, NORTH WALL EXTENDED.
UH, SO LOOKING IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE THAT THERE MAY BE A REASON TO DO THAT.
RIGHT NOW THERE IS A DRAIN PIPE, UH, EMPTYING AT, AT THAT, AT THE, I GUESS IT'S THE WEST END.
UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FOOD FOR FAULT AS TO AS TO POSSIBLY MAYBE THE VACATION OF IT MAY NOT BE.
UH, WELL, THIS SAME SITUATION ACTUALLY WAS BEFORE US IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, I'M THINKING.
AND, AND REALLY WHAT CAUSED IT TO COME BEFORE US WAS THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WERE PARKING
UM, SO, SO THIS KIND OF SITUATION IS, UM, YEAH.
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NOW I'LL SAY ONE THING.I THINK THAT THAT LITTLE PATCH THERE THAT LOOKS ALMOST LIKE A PARKING SPACE.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS AND IT'S GOT GRAVEL, PAVE, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, IT, AS THE HOMEOWNER MENTIONED BEFORE, IT WAS THERE WHEN THEY GOT THERE.
SO SOMEBODY LONG, WHOEVER LIVED THERE PRIOR TO THE CURRENT HOMEOWNER MM-HMM.
UM, SO, AND THEY, AND THAT WAS IN THE ALLEY.
I MEAN, THEY PUT IT THERE AND OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE DIDN'T YES.
LAST TIME IN TERMS OF THERE IS NO ADVERSE POSSESSION OR RIGHT.
PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT AGAINST THE PUBLIC AS A MATTER OF LAW.
AND LE JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE USE IN LAYMAN'S TERMS IS JUST 'CAUSE THEY TOOK IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY GET TO KEEP IT.
Y YOU, YOU, UM, A USE CANNOT BE ADVERSE TO THE PUBLIC'S USE.
UH, I COULD PROBABLY STATE IT BETTER, BUT AS A MATTER OF LAW, YOU CANNOT GAIN A, A, A PROPERTY INTEREST IN A PUBLIC WAY.
BUT AS A MATTER OF LAW, SO WHAT, WHAT SOMEONE DID IN THE PAST RIGHT.
I WAS JUST SHARING THAT, THAT, UM, I WAS JUST SHARING THAT OBVIOUSLY PRIOR, SOMEBODY PRIOR TO THIS MADE THAT, UM, WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER ALMOST AN IMPROVEMENT TO THAT GRASSY AREA TO TURN IT INTO PARKING.
AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, NO ONE BROUGHT THIS TO, UH, THE TOWN'S.
I GUESS I, I DON'T, AT LEAST PRIOR TO ME BRING IT TO THE TOWN'S ATTENTION TO SAY THAT, THAT PEOPLE WERE PARKING IN THE ALLEY.
I MEAN, NOT THAT THE TOWN WOULD KNOW EVERY SINGLE, WELL, I GUESS ABOUT 2020 IS WHEN IT STARTED BEING BROUGHT TO THE TOWN'S ATTENTION.
BUT I'M SAYING THOUGH, PRIOR, IT'S AN ENCROACHMENT NOT RIGHT.
WELL, THIS, THIS IS NOT AN ENCROACHMENT 'CAUSE THERE'S NO STRUCTURE.
FENCE IS A STRUCTURE, BUT THIS GRAVEL'S NOT THE PARKING LOT'S, NOT IN A CORRECTION.
SO, BUT I HEAR WHAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MAYOR.
ARE ARE, ARE YOU, ARE YOU ASKING FOR, I'M ASKING WHAT WE NEED TO DO OPINION, OUR OPINION ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
I'M ASKING MR. SONNET, WHAT DO, DO YOU, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS TONIGHT? IS THIS SOMETHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND CLOSE? IS THIS SOMETHING WE, WHAT DIRECTION ARE YOU LOOKING FOR FROM COUNSEL? OH, I, I
IT'S, IT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNSEL.
WELL, I MEAN, YOU BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT'S POSSIBLY NOT LEGAL.
SO THE, THE FIRST ONE, UM, UM, COUNSEL, PRIOR COUNSEL HAD THE RIGHT TO DO BASED ON AN ENABLING STATE STATUTE MM-HMM.
THE LANGUAGE ISN'T THE CLEAREST, BUT MY INTERPRETATION IS 60 DAYS NOTICE ON THE FIRST ONE.
ON THE SECOND ONE I QUESTION, UM, UH, THE GRANT THAT IT PURPORTS TO MAKE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE TOWN HAD THE PROPERTY RIGHT.
THAT IT PURPORTS TO CONVEY AND ITS CAN BE TERMINATED ON SHORT NOTICE.
AND, UM, ON THAT ONE, I THINK THAT'S THE PREFERRED COURSE.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, IT'S COUNSEL'S PLEASURE.
COUNSEL, DO YOU ALL WANT TO, UH, DO YOU WANNA REVISIT THIS? DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT IT NOW? WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR ALL'S PLEASURE? OR, OR AM I PUTTING YOU ALL ON THE SPOT AND YOU WANNA HAVE SOME TIME OR I'M WILLING TO, UM, I WILL SAY THIS, THAT I BELIEVE THAT OCTOBER 23RD, UM, THE VACATION, UH, HAS TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 23RD, CORRECT? CORRECT.
ON OCTOBER 23RD, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
COUNSEL WILL HAVE THE, THE PLEASURE OF DOING THREE THINGS, BASICALLY, APPROVING, DENYING, OR POINT OF VIEWING COMMITTEE.
I GUESS YOU COULD CONTINUE IT.
GEORGE IS CONTINUATION, UH, AN OPTION, IF NOT ALL THESE AGREEMENTS ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE WORKED OUT.
MAYBE I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE ON THAT.
UM, THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING CAN BE CONTINUED ITSELF, OR YOU CAN HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND POSTPONE ACTION, HOWEVER, WELL, I'M, WE'RE
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NOT MENTIONING EVEN THE OTHER FRONT PART OF THIS THAT'S PART OF THAT VACATION IS, IS THERE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PART? YOU KNOW, THE, THE PART WE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE UTILITIES AND WHATNOT OR RIGHT.UH, I'M GONNA BE GETTING SOME MORE ANSWERS ON THAT, WHERE THE ELECTRICAL LINE IS IN THE FRONT AND ANY OTHER UTILITIES.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD DELAY HOSTING THE PUBLIC HEARING WHEN, UM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THAT WILL TELL US, YOU KNOW, WHAT COUNSEL HAS TO DO OR NEEDS TO DO IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES WITH THE ENCROACHMENT AND THE LEASE VOTE.
WELL, UM, I MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT JUST THAT YOU CAN'T
LET ME ADDRESS, LET, LET ME ADDRESS THAT.
SO IF YOU, IF THE RIGHT OF WAY IS VACATED THE FIRST AGREEMENT, THE ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT JUST GOES AWAY, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
IF THE ADJACENT OR A BUDDING PROPERTY OWNER, UM, WITH THE ENCROACHMENT PURCHASES, THE PROPERTY, WHATEVER COUNSEL, HOWEVER COUNSEL CONDITIONS THE VACATION.
IF, IF COUNSEL CONDITIONS THE VACATION THAT A BUDDING PROPERTY OWNERS PURCHASE HALF OR WHATEVER, AND THE PORTION WITH THE ENCROACHMENT IS PURCHASED, OBVIOUSLY THE ENCROACHMENT GOES AWAY BY A MERGER OF, OF INTEREST IN, IN THE LAND, IT JUST GOES AWAY.
UH, THE OTHER ONE, SAME THING.
IF IT, IF THAT PORTION IS PURCHASED BY THAT ABUTTING OWNER, THEN OBVIOUSLY THE LEASES GOES AWAY AS WELL.
IT'S GERMINATED, IT IT BY OPERATION OF LAW.
WELL, THE LADY, THE LADY PUSHES, SHE'S HERE.
I SEE HER, BUT IT WAS MENTIONED LAST TIME THAT THE THOUGHT WAS THEM POSSIBLY PURCHASING IT.
THAT'S, WE WOULD'VE TO MAKE IT FIRST, MAKE IT FIRST GET, WEIGH IN ON THAT 2020 WAS ABOUT A SPLIT OF 75 25, AND IT WAS DECLINED.
DID YOU READ THE EMAIL FROM YEAH, IT CAME IN LAST NIGHT IN 2020 THERE WAS AN OFFER WITH THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNER TO VACATE IT WITH 25 70 5% AND IT WAS DECLINED.
MY COMMENT, COMMENT ON THE VACATION PROCESSES, COUNSEL SHOULD TAKE UP THE VACATION ON ITS OWN MERITS FOR FIRST AND FOREMOST, AND THEN, AND THEN DECIDE FROM THERE.
IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT RIGHT.
THEN THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING, I THOUGHT FOLLOWS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE REGARDLESS OF ANY OTHER ISSUE, THE LEASE AGREEMENT AND THE LITTLE PORTION OF LAND THAT, UH, HAS BEEN GRAVELED CAN'T EXIST ANYWAY.
FROM, FROM YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW.
MY INTERPRETATION, NOTHING WAS GRANTED BY POLICE.
THE TOWN DIDN'T HAVE IT TO GRANT.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT DO IF WE, IF, IF, IF OUR LEGAL COUNSEL IS ADVISING US THAT THAT IS NOT LEGAL IN THE FIRST PLACE, THEN WE'RE WE, ARE WE JUST GONNA CONTINUE ON TO ALLOW IT? OR WHAT DO, WHAT DO WE WANNA DO? MY ONLY THING IS IT TAKES 60 DAYS TO TERMINATE AND OUR PUBLIC HEARING IS ONLY IN 20 DAYS.
YEAH, BUT THAT'S FOR THE ALLEY, THE VACATION.
BUT THE LEASE, WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT, THAT PATCH, REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING I NEED TO DO SEPARATE FROM THE ALLEY THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO EXIST ANYWAY.
SO, BUT IF WE CHOOSE TO VACATE IT OR NOT IN 20 DAYS, I, I DON'T KNOW.
DOES THAT GOES AWAY FOR READING THREE THE SECOND ONE TERM BY ITS TERMS 60 DAYS NOTICE TO TERMINATE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I I I'M OF THE OPINION THAT IT'S OF QUESTIONABLE VALIDITY TO BEGIN WITH.
THE REASON THAT I STATED YEAH.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M ASKING SHOULD WE START THE 60 DAY PROCESS? WE SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT.
IF, IF WHOMEVER AGREED TO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS ON THAT INFORMATION, SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD ON THAT? OR IS IT, WELL, IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO UNTIL A PUBLIC MEETING ANYWAY.
SO WHERE WE COULD TAKE ACTION OR NOT.
IF IT'S, IF IT WASN'T, JOE, WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY? SO YOU, YOU VACATE, SO WE WOULD DO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 23RD.
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TO VACATE THAT NIGHT, YOU STILL WOULD'VE TO HOLD ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING TO SELL THE PROPERTY.IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COORDINATE.
WELL, MY OTHER OR THE SALE WILL HAVE TO BE CONDITIONAL ON THAT CERTAINTY AND REFLECTING UPON THIS, I HAD MADE A REQUEST RESPECTFULLY TO LEGAL COUNSEL AND THIS COUNSEL A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN SOMEONE WAS CITED FOR HAVING TOO MANY CHICKENS.
'CAUSE THEY WERE HOUSING 'EM FOR SOMEBODY IN BETWEEN HOUSING RESPECTFULLY, THE OPINION OF OUR ATTORNEY WAS THAT HE COULD NOT ALLOW MS. CAPISH TO NOT PROCEED WITH ISSUING CITATIONS BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE TOWN CODE.
THEREFORE, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO DELAY CORRECTING THIS WRONG SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO MAKE IT EITHER.
SO TO, UM, BE CONSISTENT IN THE GOVERNANCE.
I THINK IT, YEAH, WELL, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS SAYING.
ALL I'M SAYING IS IF IT, IF WE, IF WE'VE UNCOVERED THAT WE, THAT IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE, THEN YES.
DO WE KEEP, DO WE KEEP, KEEP MAKING THE SAME MISTAKE EVERY DAY THAT, THAT WE NOW ARE SAYING, I MEAN, I REALIZE THAT THIS OTHER ISSUE'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND, AND WHO KNOWS HOW THAT'S GOING TO EVOLVE.
BECAUSE WE CAN'T PREDICT THAT YET.
UM, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING, WE ALSO JUST OPENED OURSELF UP TO A LAWSUIT OR LIABILITY OR ANYTHING, HAVING THIS LEGAL DISCUSSION OVER CONTRACTUAL LAW, AN OPEN MEETING BECAUSE WE JUST ANNOUNCED THAT WE GAVE AWAY PUBLICLY AND THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN OWN OR HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE AWAY.
THEREFORE, I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS.
IF WE'VE, WE'VE MADE IT AN ISSUE IN PUBLIC, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
THAT SAID, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DAMAGE INVOLVED.
I DON'T THINK IT IS EITHER, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD LOOK ON THE COUNCIL OR THE GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL TO HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED AND MADE AWARE OF THIS ISSUE.
AND THEN CONTINUED COUNSEL, DO YOU ALL HAVE THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS OR, UM, AND MS. MS. MOORE, SORRY.
WELL, THE ONLY THING THAT'S MENTIONED IN THE, THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL AT 1602, UH, I BELIEVE 1602, UH, IS KNOWINGLY, I MEAN, UH, WAS UP WAS UP AND YEP.
AND THOUGHT THEY WERE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY BLAMING ANY, SO, I MEAN, AND SO, UM, I I, I'M CONCERNED A LITTLE BIT AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE GOING WITH THIS THING.
AND YOU KNOW, I I, I HAVE AN IDEA THAT I'M LIKE LEANING.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA REALLY, I, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT ME TO PLAY MY HAND? I'LL PLAY MY HAND.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I'M NOT, I I, I JUST, WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHERE, WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHERE COUNSEL WANTS TO GO WITH THIS.
AND I THINK THAT MR. SONNET HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES HERE.
THERE'S ONE ABOUT A LEASE AGREEMENT THAT POSSIBLY, POSSIBLY HAD NOTHING.
LET ME, IF, IF I CAN CHIME IN, I I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD ADVISE COUNSEL TO KEEP THOSE SEPARATE.
'CAUSE THE VACATION ISSUE, RIGHT? IT IT, IT INVOLVES A LOT OF DIFFERENT EVIDENCE.
JOE, WHAT WERE YOU, DID YOU WANNA OFFER SOMETHING? I WAS JUST GONNA CHIME IN THAT THE LAST WORK SESSION WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MERITS OF, OF THE VACATION TONIGHT WAS MY, MY, I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT BECAUSE I WANTED TO GET SOME RESOLUTION ON THOSE AGREEMENTS FOR THE COUNCIL TO MOVE CLEARLY WITH EITHER CONSIDERING VACATING NOT.
SO I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO AT LEAST GET A HANDLE ON THAT.
SO THE ENCROACHMENT ISSUE IS BY YOUR ESTIMATION, THAT THAT'S ALLOWED, RIGHT? SO VACATION, NO VACATION, YEAH.
ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT CAN CONTINUES FOR THE REC, THE REMAINDER OF THE, AS IT COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
AND THEN DECIDED THAT TIME IT'S DECIDED, WAIT A MINUTE.
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING IN THAT ALLEY.
WE MEANING THE TOWN, OF COURSE.
BUT THE, AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS IT'S YOUR, IT'S YOUR LEGAL OPINION THAT IT'S, IT'S, UH, NOT VALID.
SO WHAT MR. WALTZ WAS SAYING IS, THE REASON WHY HE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA IS ALMOST LIKE YOU GOT A, YOU GOT B, YOU CAN'T GET TO C UNTIL YOU DEAL WITH A AND B AND A.
WE'VE, WE'VE SAID THE ENCROACHMENT ISSUE IS OKAY.
THE SECOND ISSUE IS, IS, UH, NOT, UH, WAS NOT, UH, HANDLED CORRECTLY.
I WANNA SAY CONSIDERATION WAS A DOLLAR A YEAR.
SO DO WE, DO WE TAKE CARE OF THIS ISSUE NOW OR DO WE WAIT,
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THAT'S ALL I WANNA KNOW FROM COUNSEL.IF Y'ALL, IF YOU WANNA, YOU KNOW, MS. MORRIS GAVE HER OPINION REPORT, GAVE HIS OPINION.
ANY OTHER OPINIONS? DID HE SAY NOW OR NOT? HE SAID HE DIDN'T WANNA SHOW HIS HAND ABOUT THE VACATION.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
DO I THINK OKAY, YOU, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VACATION, YES.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND ISSUE, ABOUT THE LEAD, ABOUT THE, UM, THE LEASE AGREEMENT, THE, FOR THE, THE PARKING AREA.
I'M GONNA CALL IT PARKING AREA.
UH, SO COUNT COUNSEL, THE ATTORNEY HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT HE BELIEVES THAT IT'S NOT ILLEGAL.
UH, SO WE, WE, I, I HAVE TO, UH, ASSUME THAT, NOT ASSUME I HAVE TO GO WITH THE ATTORNEY, UH, THAT IT, THAT WE SHOULD MOVE, UH, FORWARD ON, UH, RECTIFYING THAT SITUATION, RECTIFYING THE SITUATION.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, MR. ROGERS, COUNCILMAN ROGERS, I WOULD AGREE THAT WE NEED TO, WE JUST NEED TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
MS. COUNCILWOMAN, COUNCILMAN ANGER.
SO, UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT MEANS MR. SONNET BY, DO WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION AT A FORMAL MEETING OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN GIVE THE 60 DAYS ON YOUR ACT? UM, GIVE ME JUST A SECOND ON THAT.
IT WAS APPROVED BY COUNSEL, SO, UH, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE, I, I THINK YOU FOLLOW THAT PROTOCOL.
SO THAT WOULD BE ON THE 23RD, OCTOBER 23RD.
THAT WOULD, WHICH IS THE STANDARD PRO PROTOCOL WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH REAL PROPERTY.
SO THIS WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THOUGH THAT WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT? THIS WOULD JUST BE TAKING ACTION, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, YEAH, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A PURPORTS TO BE A LEASE.
SO EVEN THOUGH FOUR B WAS THE REVIEW OF LICENSE AGREEMENTS RELATED TO, UH, THE REQUEST OF THE VACATION, THE FIRST LICENSE AGREEMENT WAS THE ENCROACHMENT.
WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE THAT ON 'EM.
SO THE OTHER THING WE NEED TO HAVE ON, UH, TO TAKE ACTION ON, AND THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE FOR, UH, VACATING THE ALLEY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, FIVE IS NEW BUSINESS, WHICH IS THE LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING ITEMS. SO WE, BECAUSE WE WILL NOT HAVE A SECOND WORK SESSION THIS MONTH, WE NEED TO, UM, UH, STATE WHICH, UH, THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE LIAISON MEETING.
UM, AND THERE WAS SOME
MR. WA AND I ATTENDED THE DRUG COURT MEETING AND, UM, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR CLERK COULDN'T BE THERE ON A DATE AND COULD THEY MOVE IT.
BUT THE ODD THING WAS IS, AND WE BOTH RECOGNIZED IT LATER, IS THAT HE SAID, WELL, THEY CAN'T BE THERE ON THE 12TH.
COULD WE MOVE IT TO THE 19TH? AND THE ONLY REASON WHY MR. WAT 'CAUSE THE 19TH IS MY BIRTHDAY.
AND SO WE WERE LIKE, OKAY, THE 19TH.
AND THEN WE BOTH REALIZED IT WAS ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR THE 19TH.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS CONFUSION ON, HOPEFULLY IT WASN'T THAT THEY COULDN'T DO IT ON 19TH AND WANTED TO DO IT ON THE 12TH.
UM, BUT THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS FOR IT TO BE ON OCTOBER 19TH.
SO, UM, THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT, UM, THAT THE POLICY REVISIONS AND THAT WAS ABOUT WRITTEN AND ORAL REPORTS.
AND WE KIND OF ALREADY AGREED TO ALL OF THAT.
I THINK THIS COUNCIL DID, BUT THEY WERE GONNA GO BACK AND TALK TO THEIR BOARD.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE ON THERE, THAT POLICY REVISION ALSO, UM, ALSO THE OTHER PART, UH, PROVIDE, UH, TAKE THE MINUTES AND HAVING THE AGENDA, UH, THE WEDNESDAY AT 1:00 PM UH, YEAH.
SO I KNOW ONE ITEM WE HAVE TO DISCUSS IT IS THE CONTINUED DISCUSSION OF THE DELAY OF THE MAILING REAL ESTATE, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX BILLS.
Y'ALL ARE PROBABLY AWARE THAT IN JULY THAT CAME UP, UM, MR. WILSON BROUGHT THAT UP AND I BELIEVE, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HE WAS TOLD TO GET WITH, GET WITH THEM ON THAT.
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I THINK HE'S ATTEMPTED THAT.I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN QUITE RESOLVED YET.
SO WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT UP AGAIN.
UM, WHAT OTHER THINGS THAT, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO ADD? UM, LAST TIME WE HAD AN UPDATE ON TOURISM, UM, UPDATE ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I THINK THOSE WERE THOROUGH LAST TIME.
I MEAN, I DON'T SEE US NEEDING TO DO AN UPDATE ON TOURISM.
WE COULD CERTAINLY ASK THEM TO UPDATE US ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT MAYBE THEY'RE GONNA OFFER THAT ANYWAY.
UM, I, I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY, I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST ADD THE YOUTH CENTER ON THERE.
UM, I THINK WE'RE, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT FOR DISCUSSION, BUT JUST TO GET AN UPDATE ON, I MEAN, I, I'VE GOT AN UPDATE.
I GOT A TENTATIVE UPDATE AS TO WHEN THEY BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE READY TO BE MOVED INTO.
BUT IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THEY SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC TOO.
I DON'T WANT TO SHARE THEIR, IT'S THEIR BUILDING.
THEY CAN, UM, THE TRANSPORTATION AD HOC COMMITTEE.
DO YOU ALL FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED THERE THAT, THAT SHOULD BE, 'CAUSE IT ACTUALLY CAME OUT OF THE LIAISON MEETING.
WOULD YOU, DO YOU ALL THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE SHOULD PUT AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR YOU ALL TO, UH, ANYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW FROM THERE? TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY, WHAT WE DID FOR JANUARY.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT CONVERSATION TO BE HAD THERE.
UM, WE, WHEN WE MEET THIS MONTH, WE'LL HAVE AN UPDATE AFTER THE TOWN.
SO DO YOU WANT WE DON'T MEET BEFORE THIS LIAISON.
SO THE LAST MEETING, THE TOWN, UH, STAFF WERE WORKING ON SENDING, UM, VDOT ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEEDED.
AND THE LAST MEETING, HONESTLY, WAS ALL ABOUT TRANSPORTATION WITHIN THE COUNTY OUT AT BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS AND ALTERNATIVE ROUTES OUT THERE.
UM, SO I KNOW I'VE SPOKEN WITH SOME DEVELOPERS OUT IN 6 0 6 CORRIDOR FOR SHENDO SHORES AREA AND UM, THEY'RE GONNA COME TO THE NEXT MEETING AS WELL.
SO THERE WASN'T MUCH THAT I THINK THAT WAS PRODUCTIVE THAT CAME OUTTA THE LAST MEETING TO SHARE.
WELL, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A MAP OF, UH, THAT WAS GONNA BE SUBMITTED SHANNON TO SHORES.
VIA THE ONE FOR THE, FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE AFFECTED.
IT HASN'T BEEN, IT HADN'T BEEN SUBMITTED TO BE DONE YET.
YEAH, SHE JUST, YEAH, SHE JUST BROUGHT IT, BROUGHT IT THERE.
SO I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS DOT THAT IT WOULD, I DON'T, THERE'S ANYTHING AT THE LIAISON MEETING THAT, THAT I DON'T SEE WHERE IT WOULD NEED AN AGENDA.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED.
SO NOTHING MAJOR THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSS.
THEY WANNA ADD IT AND TALK ABOUT IT, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ADDED JUST BECAUSE IT, THERE'S BEEN FRUITFUL TO KEEP GOING.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE US PUT? WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, STORY OUT THERE? WHAT ABOUT LIKE, THE ARPA FUNDS THAT WE JUST IMPROVED SINCE WE'RE SHARING THOSE WITH THE COUNTY? I MEAN, JUST MORE LIKE AN F Y I OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK THAT HAD ALREADY, WHAT THEY SHARE WITH US IS WHAT THEY PLANNED TO DO WITH IT.
I THINK IT'S ALREADY BEEN DECIDED, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, YEAH, LIZZIE GAVE AN UPDATE WHEN SHE GAVE OH, SHE HAD? YEAH.
BUT I THINK THAT WAS, 'CAUSE IT WAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND HAD TO BE SPENT BY DECEMBER 31ST I THINK.
SO THEY ALREADY KIND OF LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID, WE'LL SPEND THIS, WE'LL SPEND THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, UM, THE 19TH AFTER THE FESTIVAL LEAVES.
I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT, THAT, ARE WE GONNA GET AN UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS OF THE AVTEX CONSERVANCY? WE COULD ASK THEM FOR THAT IF WE FEEL LIKE, I MEAN, WE'VE DONE THE JOINT TOWN AND COUNTY TOUR SINCE THE LAST LEASE ON MAY.
THAT WOULD BE, NOW I WILL TELL YOU THAT, THAT, UM, PARTICULAR TOPIC WOULD BE REQUESTING THE E D A 'CAUSE IT'S THE E D A THAT, UM, BUT THE COUNTY HAD A, THE COUNTY HAD, THE COUNTY HAD A DESIRED AN APPETITE TO EITHER BE OR NOT BE A PART OF IT.
AND IF THEY'RE NOT, IF WE'RE GETTING A REPORT ON WHERE IT IS, IT WOULD BE THE E D A, BUT MAYBE, AND THEY PRESENTED AT OUR LIAISON MEETING IN THE SPRING.
WE CAN ASK, WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK THERE ANOTHER TOPIC.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU ALL FEEL LIKE YOU, I KNOW WE'VE GOT THE ONE TOPIC.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU ALL WOULD WANT TO NO, I THINK THE ONLY THING'S TOP OF OUR MIND IS TAX BILLS.
STILL WONDER ABOUT THE TOURISM.
NOT NECESSARILY, WELL NEVERMIND.
I, I'M JUST, I KNOW THAT WE'VE KIND OF GOT OUR THING GOING.
I'D BE CURIOUS, WHAT IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THE PLAN WOULD BE EVENTUALLY LIKE WORKING TOGETHER.
NOT NECESSARILY TOGETHER, BUT JUST SO, BUT WE'LL WAIT, WE'LL WAIT.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WARREN COUNTY IS HIRING A TOURISM MANAGER AND MAYBE HAVE ALREADY HIRED A TOURISM MANAGER.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE START DATE IS ON THAT.
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BUILDING THEIR PROGRAM.I WILL SAY THAT I AM ENCOURAGED BY LIZZIE BEING ABLE TO TALK WITH JOE PETTY.
UH, JOE PETTY IS RUNNING THAT EFFORT FOR THE COUNTY AND TOURISM.
SO I THINK THAT THAT RELATIONSHIP THERE IS GOOD.
UM, AND SO YEAH, HOPEFULLY THAT WE CAN COLLABORATE IN THE FUTURE.
I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
I KNOW THE RAIL TRAIL, THE MEETING THAT WE HAD A COUPLE FRIDAYS AGO, IT WAS, IT WAS DEFINITELY A JOINT.
UM, IT WAS A JOINT DISCUSSION.
THAT WOULD, IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR THINGS TO PUT ON THE AGENDA THAT WE, AND I'M NOT SAYING WE ARE OR AREN'T, BUT YOU KNOW, MR. HYMAN HAD, UM, HAD OFFERED TO COME AND UPDATE OUR COUNCIL ON, UM, SHE RAIL TRAIL PROGRESS ON THAT.
UH, BUT, BUT WE CAN JUST WAIT AND DO IT AT A COUNCIL MEETING.
BUT I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, COULD YOU TO LIAISON, BUT THEN IF THERE ARE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL NOT THERE, THEY'D MISS OUT ON IT.
SO MAYBE WE'LL JUST WAIT AND HAVE HIM, 'CAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PROGRESS MADE, UM, RECENTLY LEASE WITH MONEY, WHICH IS IMPORTANT.
SO WHAT ABOUT AFTERNOON? UM, I THINK THAT'S MORE, I THINK WE ARE, WE ARE HOPING TO GET AN UPDATE ON THAT.
I'M HOPING TO GET, UH, ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE AFTERNOON AT THE NOVEMBER WORK SESSION TO GIVE COUNSEL AN UPDATE ON THEIR PROGRESS.
AND MAYBE AFTER THAT WE CAN ADD IT TO THE JANUARY MEETING AND WE CAN GIVE THEM AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE KNOW.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS ON.
AND, AND THEY'RE GONNA ADD ITEMS TOO.
SO IT COULD VERY WELL BE ANYBODY ELSE?
I I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, UH, IF THEY, THEY THEY HAVE ANY INTEREST IN BRINGING IN THEIR UPDATES ON THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MM-HMM.
UM, I FEEL LIKE WE JUST RE I JUST RECENTLY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AT OUR TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE AT THE VERY INCEPTION OF IT STILL.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE DOING INTERNALLY.
THEY'RE DOING IT INTERNALLY AND THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING YET.
THEY'RE LIKE LOOKING AT THEIR LAND USE MAP RIGHT NOW STILL.
SO WE COULD ASK, BUT WE CAN MAKE IT A GENTLE ASK.
LIKE, IF YOU'RE NOT READY, WE COULD HEAR ABOUT IT MORE IN JANUARY.
I WOULDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK WE'RE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, WE'RE ASKING LIKE, AND THEN THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SHARE AND THEY FEEL LIKE THEY GOTTA MAKE SOMETHING UP TO TELL US, YOU KNOW? THAT MAKES SENSE.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE UNLESS POINT NUMBER FOR THE, THE ATTENDANCE.
UM, UH, BEFORE WE, IT WOULD LIKE ROTATE, BUT WE KIND OF JUMPED AROUND SO MUCH BECAUSE PEOPLE CHANGED SO MUCH.
SO, UM, WAYNE, HAVE YOU GOTTEN A CHANCE TO DO IT YET? SIR? IT WAS A JULY MEETING.
JOSH, YOU DID IT WITH ME EARLIER THIS YEAR.
ALYSSA, HAVE YOU DONE IT? DO YOU WANT I HAVE NOT DONE IT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO DEFER TO UM, ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO IT.
BUT I JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT IS BASICALLY JUST A PERSON SITTING AT THE TABLE.
WE GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE AND THE, YOU KNOW, ANY COUNCIL OR OR, UM, BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEMBER THERE, WE TRIED REALLY HARD TO LET EVERYBODY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INPUT.
SO, BRUCE, YOU WANNA DO IT? SHE'S DEFERRING.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT THURSDAY NIGHT.
CAN YOU MAKE IT? BECAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES YOU'RE THURSDAY, HUH? I'M SORRY.
THURSDAY AT SIX IS NOT GONNA WORK.
I KNOW, I, I KNOW SIX O'CLOCK SOMETIMES IT'S TOUGH FOR YOU, THAT'S WHY.
NO, IF I, IF I HAVE NOTICE, I CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS.
AND WE'LL HEAR FROM THE COUNTY ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT ON THERE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO CLOSED AND IT IS AAL MOTION.
I, I, YEAH, I WANNA GET OUTTA HERE SO I'M HAPPY TO READ IT.
I MOVE THE TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 2.
THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE CODE ONE PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, LOCAL BOARD OF BUILDING CODE APPEALS FRIDA AND U F A C AND TWO, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A THREE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION.
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OF REAL PROPERTY FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR THE DISPOSITION OF PUBLICLY HELD REAL PROPERTY WHERE DISCUSSION IN AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY.MORE SPECIFICALLY MCKAY SPRINGS.
AND THREE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A SEVEN OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND BRIEFINGS BY STAFF MEMBERS OR CONSULTANTS TO PERTAINING TO ACTUAL LITIGATION WHERE SUCH CONSULTATION OR BRIEFING AND OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEGOTIATING OR LITIGATING POSTURE OF THE PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY HAVE TO ADVERSE TOWN COUNSEL.
AND FOUR, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A EIGHT OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, PROPOSED AGREEMENT WITH REACHING OUT NOW, INC.