* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [I. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:03] I HAD LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER OF THE FRONT ROW PLANNING COMMISSION THIS WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 16TH, 2023. MS. POTTER, COULD YOU LEAD A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRMAN MERCHANT HERE. VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS HERE. COMMISSIONER WOOD HERE. COMMISSIONER MARNER HERE. COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS HERE. AND WE HAVE A QUORUM. DO I HAVE ANY MOTION TO ADD OR DELETE ANY ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA? ANY ITEMS TO BE STRICKEN OR ADDED THIS HEARING? NONE. WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT, UH, ITEM OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS OUR CITIZEN COMMENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, RECOGNIZE SPECIAL GUEST WE HAVE THIS EVENING. UH, MY SON, HIS LOVELY WIFE, HEATHER, AND MY GRANDSON CHRISTIAN, ARE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT. UH, PLEASE. CHRISTIAN, PLEASE STAND UP. . ALRIGHT. AND, AND WAVE AT EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. UM, AS YOU, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, TONIGHT IS MY LAST NIGHT AS CHAIRMAN OF THE FRONT ROW PLAN COMMISSION, AND THEY ARE HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT I FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT THREAT. SO, UH, WELCOME. UM, I'M, I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE AS OUR GUEST. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, IN THE CITIZEN COMMENTS SECTION? IF YOU'RE HERE FOR A, UM, PUBLIC HEARING, WE WILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION LATER. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR THE CITIZEN? COMMENTS? CONGRATULATIONS, . UM, SECOND CALL, THIRD AND FINAL CALL FOR ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS. WE [V. PUBLIC HEARING] WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR TONIGHT. OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS NUMBER 2 3 0 0 4 8 1. A SPECIAL USE REQUEST FOR MURALS TO BE PAINTED ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING LOCATED AT, UH, 1314 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE STAFF. COULD YOU GIVE US A REPORT? APPLICATION 22 0 0 8 41 IS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A SIGN AND ARTISTIC MURAL, LARGER THAN 60 SQUARE FEET ON TWO SIDES OF THE STRUCTURE, LOCATED AT 1314 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED C ONE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT AND IS IN THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR AS PER TOWN CODE 1 75, 1 0 6 A FOUR. UNDER DEFINITIONS, A SIGN IS ANY DEVICE EMPLOYING LETTERS, WORDS, SYMBOLS, ET CETERA, USED OR INTENDED TO ATTRACT THE ATTENTION OF THE PUBLIC FROM STREETS, SIDEWALKS, AND OTHER OUTSIDE THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS. FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS ARTICLE, THE TERM SIGN SHALL INCLUDE ALL STRUCTURAL MEMBERS PER CODE 1 75, 1 0 6 A FOUR. DEFINITIONS ALSO FOR A WALL SIGN IS A SIGN ATTACHED TO A WALL OR PAINTED ON, ON OR AGAINST A FLAT VERTICAL SURFACE OF A STRUCTURE WHICH DISPLAYS ONLY ONE ADVERTISING SURFACE. AND FOR TOWN CODE 1 75, 10 B TWO B THREE A, A WALL, OR A MARQUES SIGN IS ONE SQUARE FOOT PER LINEAR FOOT OF BUILDING WIDTH ON WHICH THE SIGN IS TO BE ATTACHED UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 60 SQUARE FEET. ARTISTIC MURALS CONTAINING BUSINESS OR PRODUCT ADVERTISING MAY BE APPROVED FOR A SIZE EXCEEDING 60 SQUARE FEET BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT PURSUANT SECTION 1 75 1 36 WHEN LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT, THE APPLICATION IS FOR, UH, THIS, UH, SIGN HERE TO BE LOCATED COMING SOUTH ON NORTH ROYAL AVENUE. THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS 210 SQUARE FEET. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE THIS MURAL CONTAINING 400 SQUARE FEET THAT WOULD BE VIEWED AS YOU GO NORTH ON NORTH ROYAL AVENUE. THERE AT THE OLD, UH, LUMAX BUILDING. OUR CODE DEFINES IT AS WITH THE MURAL DEFINITION AND ASSIGNED DEFINITION. BASICALLY, [00:05:01] ANY MURAL IS ASSIGNED AS PER, AS PER OUR DEFINITION, IT IS USED OR INTENDED TO ATTRACT THE ATTENTION OF THE PUBLIC. THEREFORE, A SIGN, A WALL SIGN PERMIT IS REQUIRED, AND THE MAXIMUM SIZE IS DETERMINED BY THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING WALL, ONE SQUARE FOOT PER LINEAR FOOT OF THE BUILDING WITH A MAXIMUM OF 60 SQUARE FEET. THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ALLOWS THAT TO BE INCREASED OVER TO 60 SQUARE FOOT, UH, THAT THAT TOWN STAFF COULD APPROVE. AND THAT'S THE REASON. UH, THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT YOU'RE, UH, REVIEWING TODAY. THIS IS THE, AGAIN, THE OTHER RENDERING IF YOU'RE COMING SOUTH ON NORTH ROY AVENUE, AND THAT WOULD BE THE ONE GOING NORTH THERE AT THE PARKING LOT. ANY QUESTIONS? JOHN, GO BACK TO THE OTHER MURAL. I HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE. WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE WHITE SQUARE, UH, THAT'S WAS RESERVED FOR, UH, THE NAME OF THE FIRM? OH, OR THE, UH, PHONE NUMBERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT COULD BE USED, UH, FOR THAT PART OF THE ADVERTISING OF THE BUSINESS. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . THANK YOU, JOHN. I'M SURE WE'LL BRING YOU BACK UP ONCE WE, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THE, UM, UH, ORDER OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS HERE. AFTER OUR STAFF REPORT, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL BE PERMITTED TO MAKE A PRESENTATION IF THEY WISH. UH, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION, THEN WE'LL CLOSE THAT. UH, WE WILL HAVE A SHORT PERIOD FOR AN APPLICANT'S REBUTTAL OF ANY QUESTIONS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY ASK QUESTIONS. AND THEN BEFORE WE MOVE TO A VOTE, UH, THE RULES FOR OUR HEARING AND PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UH, DO NOT ADDRESS THE, UH, APPLICANT'S STAFF OR OTHER SPEAKERS. UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY OR MAY NOT RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASK. UM, A SPECIAL USE REQUEST, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE TONIGHT, IS USED TO DETERMINE IF THE PROPOSED USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA. UH, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE USE IS ALLOWED DOES NOT MEAN THAT THAT USE MAY BE APPROPRIATE. UH, INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP, UH, OTHER THAN THE APPLICANT, UH, SHALL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND PLEASE DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE MATTER AT HAND. UH, NO POLITICAL OR PERSONAL ATTACKS WILL BE PERMITTED. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WOULD THE APPLICANT YOU LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. UH, GOOD EVENING. UH, WILLIAM MC CURSING 1250 HEINA ROAD. THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 1314 NORTH ROW WHERE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE MURAL. UM, LONG STORY SHORT, WE MOVED INTO THE BUILDING ON APRIL 30TH, UH, ROUGHLY AROUND THEN. AND WE HAVE BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, DOING A BUNCH OF WORK TO IT. WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE, UH, MURAL APPROVED, UM, FOR A OCTOBER 7TH GRAND OPENING. UM, THIS, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS TAKES A WHILE, AND WE WEREN'T, UH, WE, WE KNEW THAT WE, UM, WE KNEW OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT WE DID NOT KNOW EXACTLY THAT WE WOULD NEED THESE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS MURAL UNTIL ABOUT A MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF AGO-ISH. SO IF WE WERE TO DATE BACK A MONTH AND A HALF AGO, AND THEN WE WERE TO TAKE THE FOUR MONTH, UH, ROUGH TIMEFRAME FOR THE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, ACCEPTANCE OR DENIAL, IT WOULD PUSH US PAST OCTOBER 7TH FOR THE, UH, GRAND OPENING. AND WE WOULD LIKE THE BUILDING COMPLETED FOR THE GRAND OPENING. SO ULTIMATELY, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS TO GET THE APPROVAL, HOPEFULLY, UM, BEFORE THEN SO WE COULD HAVE THE PAINTING COMPLETED. 'CAUSE IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT TWO TO TWO AND A HALF WEEKS TO, UH, PAINT IT. UM, THE ARTIST OR THE MURALIST DOESN'T WANNA PAINT IT IN, UM, AUGUST BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER. BUT ALSO EPT, UH, OCTOBER IS ONE OF THOSE WEIRD MONTHS WHERE WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WEATHER. UM, AND SHE, SO SHE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT PAINTED NO LATER THAN OCTOBER. BUT MY GOAL IS BY START BY THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER. SO I KNOW FOR A FACT IT'S DONE FOR OUR GRAND OPENING, UH, ON OCTOBER 7TH, WHICH IS THE GOAL. SO MY QUESTION MIGHT ASK IS IF WE COULD ACCELERATE THE PROCESS, MOVE IT FORWARD, AND GET APPROVAL BEFORE, UH, MID-SEPTEMBER SO WE CAN HAVE IT COMPLETED FOR OUR GRAND OPENING. OKAY. THAT'S IT. UM, LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. YOU MAY TAKE A SEAT. WE'LL PROBABLY BRING YOU BACK UP WHEN THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. PLEASE SIGN THE SIGN IN SHEET THERE. YEP. THANK YOU, . OKAY. AT THIS TIME, [00:10:01] I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF THERE'S ANYBODY, UH, HERE TONIGHT THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SIGN IN AND GIVE US YOUR COMMENTS. ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? SECOND CALL FOR ANY SPEAKERS. THIRD AND FINAL CALL FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THIS MATTER. SEEING NOBODY RISE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? CHAIRMAN, I, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND IT'S RECEIVED IN THE OFFICE AT JULY 17TH. NOW, I REALIZE OUR PROCESS IS NOT ALWAYS AN EASY ONE OR, OR UNDERSTANDABLE, AND I THINK THAT THE STAFF IS GONNA WORK ON THAT, BUT I, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE UNFAIR TO SAY TO THE STAFF HAS HAD THIS, UM, SINCE EARLIER IN THE YEAR. I MEAN, IN FACT, LOOK IN YOUR PACKET, YOU SEE THAT IT WAS RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. HOWEVER, UM, I KNOW THAT YOU ALL MADE A, A SPECIAL REQUEST IN FRONT OF TOWN COUNCIL, AND I HOPE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HERE, PLUS THE TOWN COUNCIL, DEPENDING ON HOW WE GO TONIGHT, UH, THEY'VE MADE IT, UM, FAST TRACK. SO I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE RESOLVED THIS MONTH ONE WAY OR THE OTHER FOR YOU. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR DEADLINE AND EVERYTHING, BUT, UM, THE WHEELS OF GOVERNMENT GRIND SLOWLY, SOMETIMES . SO, BUT, UH, WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'VE MADE TO THE BUILDING. YOU'VE TAKEN AN UGLY EYESORE AND, AND MADE IT TRULY, UM, A WELCOME SITE ALONG THAT QUARTER. I THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? JUST TO COMMENT? JUST TO COMMENT. UM, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS ZERO ARTISTIC ABILITY AT ALL? NAH, YOU'RE GOOD, MAN. NO, YOU'RE GOOD. OH, YOU CAN IF YOU WANT. YOU SAID NO. HE SAID YEAH, . OKAY. OKAY. WHAT, WHATEVER HE SAYS IT'S HIS LAST TIME. DON'T WORRY. SOMEONE WHO HAS ZERO ARTISTIC ABILITY AT ALL. I I, I CAN ONLY ADMIRE THE THINGS THAT I CAN'T DO. AND WHEN I SEE STUFF LIKE THAT, IT REALLY ENCOURAGES ME AND IT ACTUALLY MAKES ME MORE PROUD OF MY TOWN WHEN I SEE HOW BEAUTIFIED THINGS LIKE THIS ARE, SOME PEOPLE HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION OF WHAT A BEAUTIFICATION IS. UM, BUT I JUST BECOME VERY IMPRESSED WHEN I SEE THINGS THAT I KNOW I CAN'T DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONNIE? SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, UH, PORTRAYED ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, IS IN FACT JUST AN ARTIST RENDITION. IT'S NOT ACTUALLY ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. YEAH, CORRECT. WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVEN'T PAINTED ANYTHING YET. ALL WE'VE DONE IS PREPARE THE BUILDING, UH, TO BE PAINTED IN A, UH, COLOR THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE TOWN, UM, SO THAT SHE HAD A FRESH SURFACE TO, UH, TO PAINT ON WHICH WE PUT THE SECOND COAT ON TODAY. SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE JUST WAITING ON APPROVAL SO WE CAN GET STARTED. AND SO THE BACKGROUND, UH, THE BUILDING ACTUALLY IS WHAT COLOR? UH, BEFORE IT WAS WHITE WITH A YELLOW AND A RED STRIPE, UH, WHICH WAS PAINTED ON, PAINTED ON TOP OF A STUCCO. WE RE RESURFACED THE ENTIRE BUILDING ON, UH, UH, THE TWO LONG SIDES IN THE BACK IN STUCCO, UH, TWO LAYERS OF IT. UH, AND, UH, STAINED IT RATHER THAN PAINTED IT. UM, AND WE RESURFACED THE FRONT OF IT IN, UH, UH, STONE VENEER STONES. STONE VENEER? YES. YES, MA'AM. STONE VENEER. OKAY. SO WHERE IS THIS ACTUALLY GOING TO APPEAR? WHAT'S IT GONNA BE PAINTED ON? ON THE, ON THE STUCCO ITSELF? SO ON THE STUCCO ITSELF? YES. YES, MA'AM. YEP. YEP. OKAY. WHICH IS WHAT COLOR? NOW, NATURALLY, UH, THE COLOR IS, UH, I FORGET THE NAME OF IT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A DARK GRAY. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, THE, WELL THE STUCCO IS LIKE A CEMENT COLOR, BUT WE STAINED AND, AND, AND, AND CHANGED THE COLOR OF THE STUCCO TO JUST A LITTLE BIT DARKER. SO WHAT IN THIS, BUT IN THESE PICTURES AND, UH, WELL, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE. BUT THE OTHER ONE, WHAT LOOKS BLACK IS, I THINK THAT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS, UH, BEFORE, I THINK WHEN SHE TOOK THAT PICTURE, IT WAS STILL A WHITE BUILDING. SO SHE WANTED TO PORTRAY WHAT IT MORE LOOK MIGHT LOOK LIKE MORE SIMILAR BY, UH, SO WILL THE, WILL THE BACKGROUND BE BLACK OR NO, THE BACKGROUND WILL BE THE COLOR THAT THE BUILDING IS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SO WHEN YOU, IF YOU DRIVE BY THE BUILDING TOMORROW, UH, IN THE DAYLIGHT, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S LIKE A DARK GRAY, AND IT'LL BE, UH, PAINTED ON TOP OF THAT. OKAY. BUT THAT, THAT ONE THERE WILL BE, AS WE SEE IT, THAT WILL ALL BE PAINTED AND THE YEAH, FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT SHE ALLOTTED IN THE SPACE. OKAY. AND THEN AFTER THAT, IT'LL JUST BE STAINED STUCCO. OKAY. AND WHAT IS THE OTHER SIGNAGE ON THE BUSINESS? SO AS PEOPLE DRIVE BY AND SEE THESE SIGNS, THE REASON I ASK IS THAT I JUST SHOWED THESE PICTURES RANDOMLY TO SOME YOUNG FOLKS I HAD CONTACT WITH, AND THEY SAID, OH, IS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? NO, . YEAH. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING WHAT IS THE SIGNAGE GONNA BE AT THE, AT THE BUILDING SO THAT PEOPLE DRIVING BY TOURISTS VISITING TOWN WILL NOT THINK THAT'S THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. OH, GOTCHA. SO WE, UH, BLOCKED OFF SOME SPACE IN [00:15:01] THE TOP LEFT CORNER ON THE TOP LEFT CORNER, THAT LITTLE WHITE BOX. YEAH. ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND THEN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER ON THE SOUTH SIDE. UM, WE AREN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE OF THE DESIGN OF THE SIGN YET. UH, OR IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WE HAVE THE, UH, TOP CORNER THAT WE MIGHT PUT IT ON. BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BUILD, UH, CHIMNEY CHASES, UH, ALONG THE, UH, UH, TOP SIDES OF THE BUILDING ON THE SIDES, UM, ON THE LONG SIDES. AND WE, MY IGNORANCE, BUT WHAT'S A CHINEY CHIMNEY CHASE? SO, YOU KNOW, THE, I CALL 'EM FAKE CHIMNEYS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE CHIMNEYS THAT HAVE THE VINYL SIDING ON THEM. YEAH. SO WE'RE GONNA INSTALL WOODBURN STOVES AND FIREPLACES INSIDE THE, UH, UH, THE, THE SHOWROOM. AND SO WE DON'T WANT THE PIPES JUST STICKING OUTTA THE ROOF AND LOOKING LIKE MORE EYESORE. SO WE'RE GONNA FRAME CHIMNEYS OH, OKAY. ON TOP OF THE BUILDING. OKAY. AND THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ABOUT 16 FEET TO 20 FEET LONG. SO WE MIGHT JUST GO WITH THE MAXIMUM SIZE, UH, SIGN. UH, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO GET DIFFERENT, UH, WE'RE, I'M WORKING WITH A COMPANY IN HAMILTON, UM, FOR GIVING US SIGNED DESIGNS TO SUBMIT FOR APPROVAL. WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE D HAVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, WHETHER IT'S, UH, SIGNS FOR THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING OR LONGER ONES FOR THE CHIMNEY CHASES. WE HAVEN'T NARROWED THE SPECIFIC SET THAT WE'RE SENT IN. UM, BUT WE WILL HAVE, UH, SIGNAGE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. IT WOULD PROBABLY PROBABLY BE OUR BUSINESS LOGO. UH, AND THEN IN THE YARD SIGN, WHICH STILL SAYS LOAN MAX , WE ARE GONNA DO, UH, UH, UH, FIRST RESPONDERS CHIMNEY, UH, SIGNAGE. OKAY. AND THEN ON THE, UH, UH, CHIMNEY CHASES, OR IN THE TOP CORNER, IT'S NOT UNSURE YET WHERE WE'RE GONNA DO IT. IT'LL BE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF FIRST RESPONSE, JIM. OKAY. YES. COMMISSIONER MARSH. UM, ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THAT THEY PUT ON THE BUILDING IS STILL GONNA REQUIRE ZONING PERMITS. SO STAFF WILL REVIEW THOSE ADMINISTRATIVELY AND APPROVE THEM. RIGHT. SO TONIGHT THE FOCUS OF THIS IS JUST LOCKING IN THE DESIGN OF THESE MURALS AS SIGNS, RIGHT? NO, I, I REALIZE THAT I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE HAVEN'T COME TO A, IT WASN'T GONNA BE MISTAKEN FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. OH, NO, WE HAVEN'T COME TO A CONCLUSION YET WITH WHAT, HOW WE WANT THE SIGN TO LOOK TO, UH, TO PAY THE FEE AND SEND IT TO THE TOWN, UH, FOR APPROVAL, UH, APPROVAL YET. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THAT STEP YET. BUT WE HAVE BLOCKED OFF SOME SPACE FOR WHERE THE SIGN WILL BE IF WE GO WITH THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING VERSUS WHERE IT WOULD BE ON THE, ON THE CHIMNEY CHASE. OKAY. MM-HMM. . OKAY. OKAY. AND THE BACKGROUND WILL NOT BE BLACK? NO, IT'S GONNA BE THE, THE COLOR, THE COLOR THAT IT IS NOW, WHICH IS LIKE A DARK GRAY. OKAY. GOOD. THAT THAT? GOOD TO HEAR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. SEAT. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT, UH, WE'RE KIND OF IN NEW TERRITORY HERE. UH, WE'VE NEVER HAD A REQUEST FOR A LARGE MURAL, ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE THEM DOWNTOWN, UH, WHICH THEY ARE PERMITTED IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT. UH, I NOTICED A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ARE, UM, UH, MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION. UH, AND I CERTAINLY AM NOT OPPOSED TO ANYTHING, UH, LIKE THIS PROVIDED THAT IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, PREPARED BY A PROFESSIONAL ARTIST. UM, UH, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE WOULD BE LEGAL GEORGE. UM, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT RUNS WITH THE LAND FOREVER, PER SE. UM, , THERE, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN PUT A TIME LIMIT ON IT. LIKE, IF, IF THEY SELL THE BUILDING TO SOMEONE ELSE, I MEAN, CAN MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S CORRECT. THAT YOU CAN'T, IT CAN'T BE BASED ON CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP. OKAY. SO IF, IF A NEW OWNER BUYS A BUILDING, DO THEY HAVE TO KEEP THE MURAL? CAN THEY PAINT OVER IT? 'CAUSE THE SPECIAL USE IS FOR A MURAL. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY COULDN'T ABANDON THAT USE. OKAY. SO IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE ANY, ANY SPECIAL PERMITS OR ANYTHING TO, TO DO THAT PROVIDED IT MEETS THE STANDARD CRITERIA FOR OUR ENTRANCE CORRIDOR, WHICH IS NON GAUDY OR GARISH COLORS, GAR GARISH COLORS, GAR, WHATEVER THAT MEANS. THE BE MUTED COLORS. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF CHAIR? WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, REFERENCE AGENDA ITEM 2 3 0 0 4 8 1. FIRST RESPONSE, CHIMNEY SWEEP, UM, AND THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A MURAL. I RECOMMENDED, I RECOMMEND FORWARDING A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO TALENT COUNCIL. WE HAVE A MOTION AND BY SECOND, SECOND, SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MS. POTTER, YOU READ THE ROLL FOR THE VOTE, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER NER. YAY. VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS? YES. COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? YES. COMMISSIONER WOOD? YES. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. UM, TO THE APPLICANT. UH, SO WE WILL FORWARD THIS INFORMATION ON THE TOWN COUNCIL AND THEY WILL TAKE A ACCIDENT AT YOUR NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE TONIGHT IS TWO [00:20:01] THREE OR NUMBER 2 3 0 0 4 6 2. AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, UH, AS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH 10.5, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR URBAN AGRICULTURAL THAT WOULD ALLOW UP TO 10 CHICKENS AND TOWN LIMITS STAFF SAID YOU ENLIGHTEN US ON THE CHICKEN SITUATION YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET. UH, 1 75, 1 10 0.5. THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR URBAN AGRICULTURE. UH, IT'S A LINE ITEM, PART OF YOUR PACKET. UH, THE CHANGES THAT ARE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS UNDER LINE ITEM NUMBER 23, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO, UH, ASK FOR AN INCREASE, UH, BE PERMITTED UP TO 10 FEMALE CHICKENS. UH, DOWN ON LINE ITEM NUMBER 42. WE DO HAVE UNDER H AND A COUPLE SECTIONS THERE THAT, UH, THEY SHALL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING. THESE ARE THINGS THAT'LL BE ADDED. SUCH ANIMALS MUST BE CONFINED TO A COOP OR RABBIT HUTCH. NOT LESS 18 INCHES IN HEIGHT. THE CHICKENS MUST BE KEPT WITHIN THE COOPER RUN AND THE RABBITS IN A HUTCH AT ALL TIMES. NO POULTRY SHALL BE PERMITTED TO RUN AT LARGE. NUMBER TWO, THE COOP MUST BE USED FOR CHICKENS ONLY AND A HUTCH FOR RABBITS ONLY, AND MUST BE WELL VENTILATED. PART THREE OF THE, UH, THAT IS THE COOPER HUTCH SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM OF FOUR SQUARE FOOT OF FLOOR AREA FOR EACH CHICKEN OR RABBIT, AND A RUN SPACE OF A MINIMUM OF EIGHT SQUARE FEET FOR EACH CHICKEN. UH, NUMBER FIVE, THE RUN MUST BE WELL DRAINED AND NO ACCUMULATION OF MOISTURE. AND SIX, THE COOP OR HUTCH SHALL BE KEPT CLEAN. UH, THE FLOORS AND THE WALLS KEPT CLEAN, SANITARY AND, AND HEALTHFUL CONDITIONS AMONG OTHER THINGS LISTED THERE, IF YOU READ THAT. AND NUMBER SEVEN, UH, THE FEED OR THE MATERIAL INTENDED FOR CONSUMPTION BY THE CHICKENS OR RABBITS SHALL BE KEPT IN, UH, CONTAINERS, UH, WHERE THEY COULD NOT BE, UH, IN PENETRABLE BY RATS AND OTHER RODENTS. AND IF IT IS, IT IS SUCH TO MAINTAIN IT IS, IF IT DOESN'T MAINTAIN AN AD, IT IS A REASON FOR A VIOLATION OF THE URBAN AG PERMIT. SO BASICALLY, UH, THE CODE AMENDMENT IS FOR THE INCREASE, THE NUMBER AND THESE, UH, ADDED SECTIONS, UH, TO INCREASE THE COOP AND THE RUN AREA FOR THE, UH, CHICKENS. ANY QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? OH, OKAY. UH, UH, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'RE ON THE TV, DOES THIS PERMIT ROOSTERS IN THE TOWN? THE CHANGES HERE DOES NOT. THANK YOU. IT DOES NOT PERMIT THAT, THAT'S LISTED UNDER ITEM LINE, ITEM 33, IF YOU READ THAT ROOSTER'S LIVESTOCK, INCLUDING RABBITS AND FOUL EXCLUDING HENS, ARE PROHIBITED ON LOTS LESS THAN ONE ACRE IN LAND USE AREA. OKAY. SO NO CHANGES TO THAT PART OF THE CODE. OKAY. UH, JOHN, UM, LINE 45, NO POULTRY SHALL BE PERMITTED TO RUN . DOES THAT MEAN IN A FENCED YARD? THEY CANNOT BE ALLOWED BY THE COOP. THE COOP IN THE RUN AREA, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE PERMITTED. OKAY. SO EVEN IF YOU HAVE A FENCED BACK, RIGHT? OH, SORRY. SO EVEN IF YOU HAVE A FENCED BACK BACKYARD, YOU CANNOT LET YOUR CHICKENS FREE RANGE IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD BEHIND THEIR FENCE. THEY NEED TO BE IN THE RUN OR THE COOP AREA. WHAT'S THE COOP AREA? THE, THEY NEED TO BE IN THE COOP, THE CHICKEN COOP OR IN THE RUN, WHICH IS THE FENCED AREA OUTSIDE THE COOP FENCE IN AREA WITH THE SIZE LIMITATIONS PROVIDED IN THE ORDINANCE. OKAY. THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RUN AT LARGE. IS THAT THE CURRENT STATUTE AS WELL? YES. OKAY. AND COMMISSIONER MARSH RUNNING AROUND IN THE FENCED IN AREA, THE BACKYARD STILL COUNTS AS RUNNING AT LARGE. THEY NEED TO BE CONTAINED WITHIN THE COOP OR THE CHICKEN RUN. THEY CANNOT RUN FREE. THAT'S WHAT JOHN SAID. YEP. OKAY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND JOHN, WE'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN. IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE WILL DO THAT. AT THIS TIME. WE'LL OPEN, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING UP TO THE PUBLIC. IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK IN THIS MATTER, PLEASE [00:25:01] COME FORWARD. SECOND CALL FOR ANY SPEAKERS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. THIRD AND FINAL CALL SAYING NOBODY COME FORWARD. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE HEARING. UH, JOHN, UH, ONE, ONE QUESTION FROM ME AND LAUREN, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THIS IS FOR BASICALLY CHANGING THE CURRENT ORDINANCE FROM SIX CHICKENS TO 10. YOU'RE JUST CLEANING UP SOME, UH, OTHER PARTS OF THE CODE. AND GEORGE LEGAL, WE'LL MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS, IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH OTHER CODE SECTIONS RELATED TO MOVING FROM SIX TO 10. YES. AND WE HAVE A FEW ADDITIONAL, UH, CHANGES TO THE LANGUAGE THAT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO, RIGHT. WE WANTED TO TAKE ON A FEW TWEAKS TONIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT AS SIMPLE AS WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT SIMPLE. OKAY. BUT, BUT FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, JUST TAKING FROM SIX TO 10, UM, AND THOSE ARE THE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES. YEAH. WOULD BE THE SIX TO 10, AND THEN ADDING IT, THE ADDITIONAL PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. UM, OKAY. UH, WHAT IS THIS? AND, AND JOHN, JUST ONE QUESTION, FINAL QUESTION FROM ME. UH, ENFORCEMENT, WE, WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEM WITH ANY CHICKENS OTHER THAN ROOSTERS THAT HAVE BEEN CROWING, CORRECT? I MAY, MAYBE ONE FACILITY THAT MAYBE WAS SUBSTANDARD OR SOMETHING. UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY NEEDING TO GO BACK AND DO AN ANOTHER INSPECTION ON TWO PREVIOUSLY PERMITTED SITES TO SEE IF THEY HAVE BROUGHT THEIR SITES INTO COMPLIANCE. OKAY. BUT WE HAD NO PUBLIC SPEAK TONIGHT. SO I ASSUME THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN AN ODOR PROBLEM OR A NOISE PROBLEM OR, OR STEALING EGGS PROBLEM, UH, IN, IN THE TOWN, CORRECT? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR A STAB? YES. WILL WE, AS WE GO DO OUR FUTURE INSPECTION, WILL WE TAKE A COPY OF THIS ORDINANCE TO GIVE TO THE CURRENT CHICKEN OWNERS? 'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY BECOME AWARE OF IT. AND AS OUR ATTORNEY AND DIRECTOR SAID, WE'VE CLEANED UP OF THINGS AND WE DON'T WANT THEM TO RUN A FOUL OF THE NEW ORDINANCE. , HE'D BEEN WAITING ALL DAY TO SAY THAT, HAVEN'T HE? I HAVE BEEN. THANK YOU. DID, DID YOU PRACTICE THAT? I BELIEVE WHAT STAFF IS GOING TO DO THOSE THAT HAVE EXISTING URBAN AG PERMITS, WE WILL INFORM THEM OF THE CHANGE IN THE SIZE OF THE COOP AND THE RUN. AND ALSO, UH, NOTIFY THEM IF THEY WANT TO INCREASE, UH, THEIR CURRENT SIX ALLOTTED CHICKENS TO UP TO 10. BUT THAT ALSO WOULD CHANGE THE COOP AND RUN AREA. UH, WE'LL ROUTINELY WE DO YEARLY INSPECTIONS, UH, ON THESE PERMITS, SO WE'LL INFORM THEM WITH THESE CHANGES. UH, ONCE THIS GETS, UH, INTO EFFECT. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DISCUSSED THE ORDINANCE, UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS DISEASE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PROFESSIONAL CHICKEN GROWERS WERE WORRIED THAT HAVING BACKYARD CHICKENS WOULD ALLOW DISEASE, UM, YOU KNOW, AVIAN FLU OR WHATEVER, UH, TO, TO POSSIBLY, UH, OCCUR. BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY REPORTS OF ANY CHICKEN ILLNESS AND FRONT ROYAL, HAVE WE? NONE. NONE THAT I'M AWARE OF. AND WHEN THEY DO THE URBAN AG PERMIT, THAT IS SENT TO THE EXTENSION AGENCY FOR REVIEW OF THE MANAGEMENT PLAN. SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS, SO THAT THEY REVIEW THE MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE SIZE AND DISPOSAL OF THE WASTE AND SIZE OF THE COOP AND THE RUN AREA, AND THAT, THAT GETS APPROVED AND SENT BACK TO US TO DO THE FINAL APPROVAL TO ISSUE THE PERMIT. SO WE'VE HAD NO ISSUES THAT I'M AWARE OF. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION? NO. ACTUALLY, DARRYL, YOU'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH AND EXPLAIN THE CHANGES WE WANNA MAKE IN THE ORDINANCE AND MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. WE WANTED TO RECOMMEND A FEW ADDITIONAL OKAY. CHANGES TO, TO ADD CLARITY TO, TO THIS ORDINANCE. OKAY. UH, WHO, WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION? YOU, YOU CAN WORK WITH LAUREN TO READ IT, GLEN. NO, I THINK WE NEED TO, WE, WE NEED TO HEAR THE, THE NEW CHANGES BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. MOTION FOR THE, ALRIGHT. FOLLOWING CHANGE. OKAY. YES. OKAY. SO THE FIRST CHANGE WOULD BE ON LINE FOUR. UM, IT SHOULD READ THAT. UM, FOOD GROWING PRACTICES CONDUCTED [00:30:01] AS AN ACCESSORY USE IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. UM, THAT MAY INCLUDE THE RAISING OF CROPS. DO YOU HAVE THAT IN WRITING? YES. DO YOU HAVE THAT IN WRITING? YOU CAN GIVE IT TO , YES. POTTER TO PUT IN RECORD. AND THEN LINE 12, WE WOULD BE REMOVING, UM, WHEN LOCATED ON A LOT LESS THAN ONE ACRE. SO IT, THE FIRST SENTENCE WOULD READ A ZONING PERMIT SHALL BE REQUIRED FOR THE KEEPING OF ANIMALS KEPT IN ASSOCIATION WITH URBAN AGRICULTURE. PERIOD. OKAY. ON LINE 21, IT SHOULD READ IN ADDITION OR IN ADDITIONAL ONE YEAR INCREMENTS UPON EXPIRATION WITHOUT REAPPLICATION PROVIDED THAT THE USE REMAINS IN COMPLIANCE. OKAY, ON THE NEXT PAGE, LINE 23, SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX OR TWO FAMILY UNITS LOCATED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS SHALL BE PERMITTED TO KEEP UP TO 10 FEMALE CHICKENS. SO WE'RE JUST ADDING IN THE, LOCATED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AFTER TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS. WHAT WAS THAT LINE? 23, SORRY. 23. OKAY. LINE 23 ON LINE 41. WE JUST WANT TO ADD THE WORD CHICKEN IN FRONT OF COOP. SO SUCH ANIMALS MUST BE CONFINED IN A CHICKEN COOP. LINE 43. ALRIGHT, AND THEN LINES 76 AND 77, WE WOULD BE STRIKING EXCEPT WHERE SUCH SALE OR SERVICES IS ALLOWED AS A PRINCIPLE USE OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE REASON THAT URBAN AGRICULTURE IS NOT A PRINCIPLE USE, IT IS AN ACCESSORY USE. AND I BELIEVE THAT IS IT. OKAY. SO THE MOTION WOULD BE AS OUR DRAFT WITH THE ADDITION OF SIX CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL. YES. SIX TEXTUAL CHANGES, REALLY NOT CONDITIONS. THREE, THERE REALLY WERE TEXTUAL CHANGES, NOT CONDITIONS. SIX. SIX. SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THAT. UH, CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR TAX ADMINISTRATION. UM, 1 75 DASH 1 1 0 0.5 WITH THE INCLUSION OF THE SIX ITEMS DISCUSSED BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR TO BE INCLUDED IN THE DOCUMENT TO THE CLERK. SECOND. ANYBODY SECOND? YES, SIR. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MS. POTTER, WOULD YOU LEAD THE ROLE FOR THIS MOTION, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER MARNER. I'M, I'M GONNA ABSTAIN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I KNOW ENOUGH. I HAVEN'T RESEARCHED THIS ENOUGH. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? YES. VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS? YES. COMMISSIONER WOOD? YES. UH, THE MOTION CARRIES WE'LL FORWARD THAT, UH, AND THAT FINAL TEXT WILL BE PART OF THE MINUTE. SO IF YOU DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN REFER TO THAT. UH, [VI. NEW BUSINESS] ITEMS A NEW BUSINESS. FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS WILL BE APPLICATION NUMBER 2 3 0 0 2 0 8, WHICH IS A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR RANDOLPH MACON ACADEMY FOR SIX FACULTY HOUSES LOCATED ON A 21.656 ACRE LOT, IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP NUMBER 20 A FIVE DASH 14 DASH FOUR A. JOHN, YOU WANT TO GIVE US THE LATEST SITE PLAN APPLICATION. 22 0 0 2 0 8 FOR RANDOLPH MACON ACADEMY, UH, FOR SIX FACULTY HOUSING UNITS. UH, LA LOCATED THERE OFF OF WEST MAIN STREET, AND SHOWN IN THE AERIAL VIEW THERE WHERE THE, UH, ACCESS ROAD IS GRANTED THERE, UH, WITH THE GATE AND A CHAIN LINK FENCE, THE, UH, UNITS WILL SIT, UH, PRIMARILY RIGHT ADJACENT TO THIS EXISTING ROAD THAT'S THERE. UH, SINCE THE LAST WORK SESSION, UH, THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS THAT THE, UH, TOWN STAFF SENT BACK TO THE CIVIL ENGINEER. THEY HAVE ADDRESSED THOSE COMMENTS, UH, THAT PERTAIN, UH, TO THE SITE PLAN. ALL THOSE HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. [00:35:02] SO BASICALLY THE SIX, UH, FACULTY HOUSING UNITS WILL SET HERE. THERE'S THE EXISTING ROAD, THEY'LL IMPROVE THAT ROAD AREA, AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT VIEW OF IT WITHOUT THE ENGINEERING PART OF IT, BUT SIX, UH, FACULTY HOUSING UNITS AGAINST THAT, UH, ADJACENT ROAD. THEY'LL IMPROVE THAT ROAD. ACCESS WILL BE FROM THE CAMPUS, CAMPUS, THE CAMPUS, NOT FROM WEST MAIN STREET. THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN OUR WORK SESSION. THERE IS A GATE THERE, UH, THAT'LL BE LOCKED. UH, BUT EMERGENCY SERVICES WILL HAVE AN AVENUE TO GET IN THERE IF THEY NEED BE, BUT THAT WILL NOT BE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THIS FACULTY HOUSING. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. AND THEY HAVE ADDRESSED THOSE COMMENTS. WE WENT OVER THIS A COUPLE TIMES SINCE, UH, PRIOR AND THAT THE LAST WORK SESSION. BUT, UH, AS I SAID BEFORE, THEY HAVE ADDRESSED ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE, THE TOWN STAFF, PUBLIC WORKS AND ENERGY SERVICES HAD. ANY QUESTIONS? UM, SO THE, ALL THE CONDITIONS OF OUR ORDINANCE HAVE BEEN MET. UH, THE ONLY ITEM WOULD BE MISSING THAT WE DID CHECK WITH WARREN COUNTY. THEY HAVE NOT COMPLETED THEIR END OF THE REVIEW FOR EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL. SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN. SUBJECT TO FINAL COMMENTS FROM WARREN COUNTY ON EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL. I'D SAY FINAL APPROVAL FROM WARREN COUNTY, FINAL APPROVAL FROM WARREN COUNTY. OKAY. UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? I'D LIKE TO THANK STAFF PERSONALLY ON THIS. UM, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG HAUL, VERY DIFFICULT, UH, SITUATION THERE, BUT, UH, I THINK WE FINALLY HAVE IT ALL UNDER CONTROL. UM, CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. NOW ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT FOR THIS, THAT, UH, THIS DOESN'T GO TO COUNCIL. AFTER WE GIVE OUR RECOMMENDATION, THEN STAFF OR THE PLANNING DIRECTOR WILL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SIGN OFF ONCE, UM, ALL THE CONDITIONS ARE MET. DOES ANYONE WISH TO MAKE A MOTION? UM, CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE A SITE PLAN APPLICATION 2 3 0 0 2 0 8 FOR THE SIX, UH, FACULTY HOUSING UNITS LOCATED ON TAX MAP. TWO ZERO A FIVE DASH 14 DASH FOUR A SUBJECT TO THE FINAL APPROVAL BY WARREN COUNTY. SOUNDS GOOD. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL FOR THE SITE PLAN WITH CONDITION. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MS. POTTER, WOULD YOU GIVE US A ROLE, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? YES. COMMISSIONER WOOD? YES. COMMISSIONER MARNER? YES. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS? YES. SO THE MOTION TO APPROVE IS CARRIED. NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS? UM, WE HAVE A CONFLICT ON OUR NEXT MEETING DATE OF SEPTEMBER THE 18TH OR THE ACTUAL MEETING IS THE 20TH, BUT STAFF WISHES TO REQUEST MOVING THAT MEETING TO MONDAY, SEPTEMBER THE 18TH. UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOVE? SO IF I, SO THE MEETING WOULD, THE MEETING WOULD BE MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 18TH, BUT IT WOULD BE AT TOWN HALL, CORRECT? 7:00 PM AT THE TOWN HALL. OKAY. THAT IS CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. WILL THAT BE THE CONTENT OF THAT MEETING? BE OUR REGULAR CONTENT? YES. THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST IS BECAUSE STAFF WILL BE ATTENDING THE, UM, ANNUAL VASO TRAINING AND CONFERENCE. IT'S FOUR HOUR ZONING CERTIFICATIONS. SO THE DATE, AGAIN IS ON THE, ON THE REG DATE OF THE REGULAR MEETING. OKAY. SO THE DATE AGAIN IS WHAT? SO THE REGULAR MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 20TH IN WHICH STAFF WON'T BE HERE. SO WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU MOVE IT TO THE 18TH AT TOWN HALL AT SIX O'CLOCK OR SEVEN, SORRY, SEVEN O'CLOCK THE SAME TIME AS THE TOWN COUNCIL. OKAY. SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO, UH, MOVE OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING FROM THE 20TH, WHICH IS THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH TO THAT MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 18, 7:00 PM AT THE TOWN HALL. SOMEBODY WISH TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT. SO MOVED. SECOND. [00:40:01] MOTION. SECOND. MS. POTTER, ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER NER? YES. VICE CHAIRMAN. WELLS? YES. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. COMMISSIONER WOOD? YES. COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? YES. SO THE WILL BE ADVERTISED AT OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING WILL BE MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 18TH, 7:00 PM AT THE TOWN HALL. NEXT ORDER OF NEW BUSINESS IS ELECTION OF A NEW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. UM, WE NEED A MOTION TONIGHT TO HOLD NEW ELECTIONS FOR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AT THE SEPTEMBER 18TH MEETING. SO MOVED. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO MOVE THE ELECTION OF A NEW CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO THE SEPTEMBER 18TH MEETING. MS. POTTER ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. COMMISSIONER MARSH. I WON'T BE HERE, SO I I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD VOTE ON IT OR NOT, BUT I WILL. COMMISSIONER MARSH, BE MY LAST VOTE. YES. COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? YES. VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS? YES. COMMISSIONER WOOD? YES. SO LET IT BE POSTED THAT WE HAVE CHANGED OUR, UH, MEETING AND, AND WE WILL BE HOLDING THE ELECTION ON THAT SEPTEMBER 18TH MEETING. [VII. COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS] UH, COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS. ANY COMMISSION MEMBER HAVE A REPORT TO GIVE TONIGHT? MR. CHAIRMAN? UM, COMMISSIONER WOOD? YES. MR. WILLIAMS. COMMISSIONER WOOD AND I ATTENDED THE OPENING SESSION OF THE, UH, I FORGOT WHAT THE NUMBER WAS, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TRAINING DOWN IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA AT V C U. AND, UM, CLOSING SESSION WILL BE THE WEEKEND OF SEPTEMBER 30TH. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO FINISHING THAT UP. CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU TOO ON, IT'S QUITE AN INFORMATIVE, UH, TRAINING SESSION. ANYONE ELSE? UH, THE, UH, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE, THE AD HOC TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MET. UM, BUT IN THE ABSENCE OF ANYBODY FROM VDOT OR THE, UH, NORFOLK SOUTHERN, UM, IT ENDED UP BEING BASICALLY AN INTERNAL CONVERSATION. SO THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO REPORT. SO HAVE YOU FOUND MONEY FOR A FLYOVER YET? FLYOVER? I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR. . THANK YOU CONNIE. ANY OTHER REPORTS? UH, [VIII. PLANNING DIRECTOR REPORT] PLANNING DIRECTOR. OKAY. FOR THE MONTH OF JULY, WE HAD 21 NEW ZONING PERMIT APPLICATIONS THAT FILED WITH OUR DEPARTMENT. WE HAD 20 NEW CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES AND FOUR LAND USE APPLICATIONS, UM, THAT WE HAD THE ONE CODE AMENDMENT FILE. UM, AND THEN WE HAD THREE SIGNED PERMITS AND NINE BUSINESS LICENSES ISSUED. UM, NOT A SLOW MONTH, BUT I THINK WE'RE ON PAR WITH THE LAST COUPLE. UM, BUT LASTLY, UH, SINCE THIS IS YOUR LAST MEETING, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. AND, UM, I'VE KNOWN YOU FOR TWO YEARS NOW AND, AND YOU'VE HELPED ME NAVIGATE FRONT ROYAL. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. UM, BUT WE HAVE A GIFT FOR YOU WE WOULD LIKE TO OPEN. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO YOU WANT ME TO OPEN IT NOW? I'M GOING TO SPEAK AT THE END OF THIS, SO . NO DOUBT. THANKS. Y'ALL GETTING AWAY. JUST SO YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IT WAS JOHN AND CONNIE THAT FOUND THIS AND, AND ORDERED THIS FOR YOU. OPEN SAKE. THE, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? LOOK LIKE A LONG, LONG BE DIFFERENT THE OTHER NIGHT, RIGHT? LONG NOT STER. WOW. OH, THAT'S A S G THAT'S SEE THAT GET YOUR WINE ANGLE LENS. LET'S HAVE HEAD UP. WE'LL TAKE OFFICIAL PICTURES AFTERWARDS. YEAH, WE'LL DO, YEP. THANK, THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. Y'ALL ARE KIND. OKAY. AS EVERYONE KNOWS, THIS IS MY FINAL REGULAR MEETING AS CHAIR OF THE, UH, FRONT ROW PLAINTIFF COMMISSION. OH, SORRY. . STEAL MY THUNDER THERE. NOT A COMMENT. . UH, FIRST OFF, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, THANK TOWN COUNCIL FOR APPOINTING ME. UH, I'VE BEEN SERVING NOW FIVE YEARS. I WAS APPOINTED ORIGINALLY TO PHIL CHAIRMAN GUSHY, UM, [00:45:01] AND THEN APPOINTED TO A FULL FOUR YEAR TERM AFTER FULFILLING HIS TERM. UH, I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO THANK STAFF. UM, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO THE FIVE YEARS OF BEING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I WAS EMPLOYED IN PLANNING AND ZONING FOR 10 YEARS. SO, UH, CONNIE POTTER, OUR, UH, CLERK, UM, HAS HAD TO PUT IT WITH ME FOR SOME 15 YEARS NOW. SO, CONNIE, I APOLOGIZE FOR, FOR, FOR THAT MEDAL . SHE CERTAINLY DOES. UM, UH, AND, AND FOR JOHN AND, AND LAUREN AND GEORGE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW I, I BOTHER TO A FAIR AMOUNT WITH, UH, UH, AN UNGODLY AMOUNT OF QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, UH, I DO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND, AND, AND YOUR PROFESSIONAL, UH, UH, STATUS THAT YOU ADD TO OUR PROGRAM HERE. YOU, Y'ALL DO A VERY GOOD JOB. UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UH, I LEAVE IT IN GOOD HANDS. UH, I CERTAINLY HAVE ENJOYED WORKING WITH, WITH EVERYONE HERE AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, AS A FAMILY, WE MAY ARGUE AND, UM, UH, CARRY ON SOMETIMES, BUT I, I THINK EVERYONE HERE CERTAINLY, UH, HAS THE INTEREST OF FRONT ROYAL AT HEART. AND I, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE DEALING WITH YOU, UH, ALL IN THIS ENDEAVOR. NOW, I'M NOT DISAPPEARING. UM, THERE ARE JUST TIMES WHEN, WHEN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT, IT COMES THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO. UM, AFTER 15 YEARS OF BEING IN PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, YOU KNOW, I WISH TO SERVE MY COMMUNITY IN OTHER WAYS. I'M NOT GIVING UP MY COMMUNITY SERVICE. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK STEVE SEALE, WHO'S BEEN HERE FOREVER WITH WHEN, WHEN I'VE BEEN HERE. UM, I'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT YOUR REPORTING HAS BEEN MOST ACCURATE. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, UH, BEST OF TIMES AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME WORST OF TIMES YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR, FOR ALL OF IT. AND, UH, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR HONEST REPORTING AND THE ROLE EXAMINER IN THAT ENDEAVOR. UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS MY DESIRE TO WALK AWAY FROM, FROM THIS MATTER A PUBLIC SERVICE ON MY OWN TERMS. UH, WE OFTEN GET RIDICULED, WE OFTEN GET, UH, ARE ARE THE RECIPIENT OF, UH, UNKIND COMMENTS. UH, SO I HOPE THAT ALL OF YOU CONTINUE TO, TO, TO WORK IN THAT ENDEAVOR. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I I HOPE THAT, THAT, THAT YOU CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE IN THE FUTURE AS WELL AS YOU SERVE WITH ME IN THE PAST. I APPRECIATE THAT, UH, IMMENSELY. UH, THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I WISH TO MAKE, UH, MY, ONE OF MY FAVORITE SCREEN ACTORS, STEVE MCQUEEN, THIS STUCK IN MY HEAD FOR SOME REASON, FOR A LONG TIME. BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO SAY GOODBYE TO THE THINGS YOU KNOW AND HELLO TO THE THINGS YOU DON'T. SO I'M SAYING HELLO TO THE THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW YET. SO I'M MOVING ON. I'M NOT SURE WHAT I'M GONNA BE DOING IN THE FUTURE, BUT, UM, I'M NOT GIVING UP MY, MY PUBLIC SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 67 YEARS AND I FULLY INTEND TO SPEND THE REST OF MY LIFE HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY TO MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THANK YOU ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT. MOVE TO ADJOURN. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. A SECOND. SECOND. ALL SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AND THIS MEETING IS CONCLUDED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO LET, LET'S GET SOME PHOTOS, MAN. THIS IS, THIS IS COOL. WHO, WHO THOUGHT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.