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[Town Council Work Session on August 14, 2023.]
OKAY.I AM GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION OF MONDAY, AUGUST 14TH, 2023.
MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR COCKRELL HERE.
COUNCILWOMAN DEAMON PAYNE? HERE.
SO OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS THE INTRODUCTION TO THE U A P Y L L P AUDITING SERVICES.
AND MR. WILSON IS GONNA, UM, DO, UM, I'LL GIVE THEIR INTRODUCTION THEN.
CHARLES, I JUST WANNA ASK, IS THIS AN OKAY SPOT OR DO THEY NEED TO BE UP HERE OVER THERE, CALL FROM THE, NOPE, WE CAN SEE 'EM EITHER WAY.
WE'LL JUST, WE'LL DO, WE'LL MOVE OVER HERE.
CREATURE HAD, SO, GOOD EVENING.
SO THE, UH, UH, SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT, UH, WE ORDERED THE TOWN AWARDED A CONTRACT TO U H Y L P, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO FOR AUDITING SERVICES.
OUR PREVIOUS AUDITORS, MITCHELL AND COMPANY, UH, JEFF MITCHELL HAD RETIRED AND WE PUT OUT AN R F P I WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND, UH, U H Y HAS, UH, BEEN IN HERE AND, UH, ORDERING US FOR, UH, I DON'T KNOW, SINCE WHEN, BEGINNING OF JUNE.
UM, AND WE'VE BEEN KIND OF WORKING WITH THEM.
WANTED TO GET THEM OUT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL JUST TO DO A BRIEF INTRODUCTION.
UH, HERE AT THE END OF THE YEAR, THEY'LL BE COMING BACK FOR FOLLOW-UPS TO LET YOU KNOW HOW THE AUDIT WENT AND KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO THOMAS STRAI, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
THIS IS THOMAS STRAI WITH, UH, U H R.
IS IT RAY AS IN THOMAS RAY? YES, MA'AM.
AND I'M NEITHER JACK REGAN OR BAKARI BARAGA.
SO, UM, BAKARI'S IN DETROIT AT A FIRM-WIDE TRAINING, AND JACK IS ON VACATION, AND I LITERALLY, WHILE I WAS ON VACATION, GOT A CALL, UH, ASKING TO SUB IN AND, AND DO THIS.
BUT BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A INTRODUCTION TO U H Y I, I'M AN AUDITOR PART, I'M A PARTNER AT U H Y, SO WE, I THINK I CAN COVER IT, BUT, UM, STOP ME AT ANY TIME.
I'LL DO MY BEST TO, UH, UH, I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY.
I MET BJ 30 SECONDS AGO, SO, UM, BUT I'LL DO MY BEST TO GET THROUGH THIS.
SO, WHO IS U H Y? SO WE ARE A TOP 20 FIRM IN THE, IN THE COUNTRY.
UH, BUT PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANTLY FOR THIS GROUP IS THAT, UH, WE HAVE A SPECIALIZED STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT PRACTICE.
UH, IT'S ACTUALLY BASED OUT OF THE MID-ATLANTIC.
UH, SO AGAIN, EVERYONE THAT WILL BE WORKING ON YOUR AUDIT WORKS ON STATE, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, MUNICIPALITIES, ET CETERA.
SO WE'RE EXCITED TO BE, UH, WORKING WITH, UH, THE TOWN.
UH, OBVIOUSLY ALL THE PARTNERS AND SENIOR 50 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITHIN THAT TEAM, UH, PARTNER AND SENIOR TEAM MEMBERS SERVING HAVE AN AVERAGE, UH, 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, COMMITMENT TO, AGAIN, COMMITMENT TO THE, IF YOU WANT TO CALL THE NICHE INDUSTRY OF STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
I'M NEITHER, AS I SAID, ANY OF THOSE HANDSOME GENTLEMEN, BUT, UH, HOPE.
BUT YOU'LL SEE 'EM, I THINK, UH, BJ'S BEEN WORKING WITH BAKARI AND, UH, MARK AND MAYBE SOME OTHER U H Y STAFF.
UM, BUT THAT IS YOUR PRIMARY TEAM.
UM, THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE, WHAT YOU CONTRACTED US TO DO.
THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AUDIT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2023.
UH, ALSO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, A YELLOW BOOK AUDIT FOR 23, 20 23, UNIFORM GUIDANCE AUDIT, AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE UNDER THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA SPECIFIC TO, UH, AUDITS OF TOWNS.
HERE'S WHERE I KIND OF COME IN.
I MEAN, THIS IS, SO, I, I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE TOWN, UH, AS A, AS A FILL IN, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY, UH, SPEAK TO OUR OVERALL AUDIT APPROACH.
IT'S IN FOUR PHASES, BUT IT'S, I LIKE TO LOOK AT IT AS TWO PHASES.
AND I THINK, UH, THE FIRST PHASE IS ALREADY WELL IN PROCESS.
UH, AND THAT PLANNING AND INTERNAL CONTROL AND EVALUATION, WE CALL THAT THE PRELIMINARY FIELD WORK.
UH, AND THEN WHAT WE CALL FINAL FIELD WORK IS REALLY THE TESTING AND ANALYSIS OF YOUR GENERAL LEDGER, YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, UM, AND THEN THE ULTIMATE REPORTING UP TO THE A C F R AND ALL THE OTHER REPORTS THAT WE DO.
SO THAT PLANNING AND INTERNAL CONTROLS, I'D SAY, IS STILL IN SOME, SOME SORT OF PROCESS.
UM, BUT THEY DO, WE COME OUT AND WE DO WALKTHROUGHS OF INTERNAL CONTROLS JUST TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF, OF ALL THE FINANCIAL REPORTING PROCESSES.
AND THEN, UM, WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS ONCE YOU, ONCE THE BOOKS ARE CLOSED ON THE JUNE, FOR THE JUNE 30, UH, WE LOOK AT, WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON WHEN YOU DO THAT IN FIRST PHASE, WE LIKE TO LOOK FOCUS ON, UH, THAT FINAL PHASE IS REALLY ALL ABOUT THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
SO DIGGING INTO THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, THE ACTUAL NUMBERS, THE FOOTNOTE DISCLOSURES, EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO THE, YOUR FINANCIAL
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STATEMENTS.I WILL SAY THAT, UH, WE DO HAVE A CUSTOMIZED AUDIT APPROACH.
SO WITHIN THAT STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT TEAM, WE HAVE SPECIFIC AUDIT PROGRAMS THAT ARE, UM, SPECIFIC TO GENERAL GOVERNMENTS, MAJOR GRANT PROGRAMS. UH, WE DO A LOT OF DATA ANALYTICS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WAS PROUD OF, UH, IN THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO IN THE SENSE THAT NOW YOU CAN TAKE A, A BALANCE OF ANY ACCOUNT AND LOOK AT ALL THE DETAIL OF IT.
SO AUDITING PRIOR TO DATA ANALYTICS WAS SAMPLING.
AND WE STILL DO SAMPLING BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRED, BUT WE'RE ALSO ABLE TO JUST LOOK AT ENTIRE BALANCES OF EVERY TRANSACTION.
SO I CAN LOOK AT ANY TRANSACTION OF ANY KIND OF ASSET CLASS, ACCOUNT CLASS, AND LOOK FOR JUST THINGS THAT LOOK JUST ODD.
SO IT'S LIKE A NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK WHEN YOU DO A SAMPLE.
THERE MIGHT BE, I DO A LOT, LOT OF LARGE GOVERNMENTS, MILLIONS OF TRANSACTIONS.
IF YOU DO A SAMPLE OF 25 OR 50, WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT YOU WOULD EVER ACTUALLY COME ACROSS SOMETHING WHEN YOU CAN SEE ALL MILLION OF THEM AND KIND OF DO LIKE A BENFORD'S ANALYSIS.
CERTAIN THINGS KIND OF JUST JUMP OUT AS JUST NOT BEING NORMAL, AND YOU CAN DRILL DOWN RIGHT TO THAT TRANSACTION, THAT PERSON.
SO WE DO A LOT OF DATA ANALYTICS.
EVERY AUDIT, NO MATTER WHAT AUDIT FIRM YOU HIRE, IS GONNA DO A RISK BASED AUDIT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA WALK IN AND YOU'RE GONNA DO LOOK AT WHERE ARE THE HIGHEST RISK AREAS, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA SPEND THE BULK OF YOUR HOURS DOING AN AUDIT.
UM, ANY, OBVIOUSLY, UH, ANOTHER THING, THOSE LAST COUPLE, IF WE DO FIND SOMETHING OR WE THINK WE FIND SOMETHING, SOMETIMES YOU'LL HAVE A STAFF AUDITOR THAT THINKS THEY FIND SOMETHING, MAYBE IT'S NOTHING.
MAYBE THERE'S COMPENSATING CONTROLS AROUND IT.
SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY CONTINUAL COMMUNICATION THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
IT'S NOT A GOTCHA MOMENT TO SAY, WE'RE GONNA ACCUMULATE A BUNCH OF FINDINGS AND SPRING THEM ON YOU AT THE END.
UH, THE IDEA IS COMMUNICATE WITH, WITH MANAGEMENT STAFF THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF SECURITY, EVERYTHING THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, COMMUNICATED VIA EMAIL, ET CETERA, IS ALL DONE THROUGH SHE LINK.
IT'S A SECURE, UH, WEB PORTAL THAT ESSENTIALLY SAYS WHETHER IT YOU'RE SENDING US SECURE DOCUMENTS OR WE'RE SENDING YOU ANYTHING, IT'S ALL SECURE IS ESSENTIALLY WITH SHE LINK.
AND YOU'RE REFERRING TO EMAILS FROM OUR FINANCE.
WELL, LET'S SAY IF I WANTED EVEN PAYROLL INFORMATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, ANYTHING THAT HAD ANY SORT OF P I I, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT'S EVERY, ALL THE COMMUNICATIONS, THE IDEA OF IT IS THAT EVERYTHING IS KIND OF, ALL TRANSMISSIONS ARE SECURE.
NOT EVERYTHING'S GONNA HAVE P I I IN IT, BUT I'M SURE LINK IT'S ALL GONNA, I'M GONNA ASK YOU.
P I I, SORRY, I WAS GONNA SAY, I MIGHT GO OVERBOARD, BUT NO PROBLEM.
I KNOW SOMETIMES AS AN EDUCATOR, I'LL DO MY BEST.
YOU USE THE INITIALS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY.
OH, SORRY, DID I SAY, OH, WHEN YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA ASK ME WHAT IT IS, BECAUSE I AM PERSONAL IDENTIFIABLE IN, UH, INFORMATION, MEANING SOCIAL SECURITY, BIRTHDATE, ANYTHING THAT, UM, COULD BE, UM, COMMANDEERED BY A BAD ACTOR THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE, UM, YOU KNOW, HACK SOMEONE HACKS THE TOWN AND THEY GET ALL THAT INFORMATION.
ALL, AT LEAST ALL OF THE INFORMATION RELATED TO THE AUDIT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT EVERYTHING THAT'S BIG TOWN HAS, 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, BUT, UH, AT LEAST AS WHAT'S TRANSMITTED VIA THE AUDIT WILL ALL BE SECURE, IS REALLY THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE.
I, I MEAN, I SAY THESE THINGS AS IF I
UH, SO AGAIN, OUR AUDIT APPROACH, NEW AUDIT, NEW AUDITORS, UH, THE WHOLE IDEA IS A SMOOTH TRANSITION, RIGHT? SO OBVIOUSLY STARTING WITH YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN INDUSTRY SPECIALIZED TEAM.
WE AT LEAST UNDERSTAND THE NUANCE OF GOVERNMENT.
EVERY CLIENT, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO IS DIFFERENT, HAS THEIR OWN, UH, PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES, BUT WE AT LEAST UNDERSTAND THE INDUSTRY.
SO IDEALLY THAT'LL MINIMIZE, UH, UH, WHAT I'LL CALL DUMB QUESTIONS FROM STAFF, ET CETERA.
WITH THAT IS, AGAIN, JUST TO MINIMIZE WHETHER IT'S BJ OR ANY STAFF, WHOEVER WE'RE ASKING INFORMATION FROM, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IT IN THE MOST EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE WAY.
UM, AND THEN WHAT WE DO HAVE IS, UH, ALSO SHE LINK IS INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN USE OR BJ CAN USE.
SO IT'LL BE, IT BECOMES WHAT WE CALL, AND I'LL USE ANOTHER ACRONYM, BUT THEN I'LL DEFINE IT.
A P B C LIST IS AN AUDIT TERM.
IT'S CALLED PREPARED BY CLIENT.
THAT MEANS EVERYTHING THAT WE ASK YOU FOR, UM, IS OUR P B C LIST.
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THROUGHOUT THE AUDIT AND YOU CAN TOO.SO IT KIND OF GIVES, IT BECOMES NOT ONLY A TRACKING MECHANISM, BUT A STATUS REPORT.
'CAUSE YOU'LL SEE KIND OF AT ANY GIVEN TIME WHERE THINGS ARE, OR WHO OWES WHO.
LIKE, WE SENT THIS TO U H Y AND THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH IT.
THEY HAVEN'T OPENED THE FILE, THEY DIDN'T RESPOND TO IT, OR VICE VERSA.
SO IT'S KIND OF EVER, ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THINGS ARE AS THE AUDIT PROCEEDS.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS, I THINK THE NEXT COUPLE SIDES.
UH, WELL, I JUST, WHAT I DO WANT TO, UM, WHOOPS, I KEEP HITTING THE WRONG BUTTON.
UM, SO WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS SET OFF ANY ALARM BELLS BACK TO A RISK-BASED AUDIT THAT EVERY FIRM IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY WOULD DO, NO MATTER WHO YOU HIRE, EVERY FIRM DOESN'T, DOES A RISK-BASED AUDIT.
SO PART OF THAT INITIAL, THOSE INITIAL PROCEDURES ARE JUST KIND OF DOING WALKTHROUGHS UNDERSTANDING.
BUT THESE ARE TYPICALLY SOME OF THE HIGHER RISK AREAS FOR ANY FINANCIAL STATEMENT.
PROPER REVENUE RECOGNITION, UH, OVERRIDES OF CONTROLS, MANIPULATING, MAKE, JOURNAL ENTRIES, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
UH, FRAUD OBVIOUSLY, NO, AGAIN, NOTHING.
THESE ARE THE RISKS THAT WE AS AUDITORS ARE LOOKING FOR, RIGHT? AS, AS WE DO OUR TESTING.
SO AGAIN, NOT MAKING ANY INDICTMENT OF THE TOWN AT ALL.
THAT'S WHAT WE ARE FOCUSED ON AS WE GO ABOUT OUR AUDIT.
UM, HERE'S OUR KIND OF POLICIES AND APPROACH.
SO OBVIOUSLY THE PARTNER LED MANAGER DRIVEN AT 10, 20.
THOSE NUMBERS, I'LL DEFINE 'EM, THAT'S KIND OF ABOUT 10% OF THE OVERALL HOURS SPENT ON THE AUDIT IS BY THE PARTNER.
20% IS THE, THE SENIOR MANAGER, 40% IS YOUR MANAGER, DIRECTOR.
SO THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY DOING A LOT OF THE WORK.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA GET, YOU KNOW, 70% OF THE HOURS ARE GONNA BE BY HIGHER LEVEL FOLKS.
UM, 30% OF THE HOURS ARE THE STAFF.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE KIND OF DOING THE TESTING.
UM, EVERY, EVERYONE ON THE ENGAGEMENT TEAM FOR THIS, FOR THE TOWN IS, WORKS EXCLUSIVELY ON GOVERNMENT AUDITS.
UH, WE HOPEFULLY, BJ CAN ATTEST ALL THE WALKTHROUGHS, ET CETERA.
UH, SINGLE AUDIT FORMS ARE BASED ON THOSE SAMPLES THAT I HAD SAID, AND THEN THEY'RE SUPPLEMENTED BY SOME OF THOSE DATA ANALYTICS THAT I TALKED ABOUT.
AND THEN THE ENGAGEMENT TEAM CHANGES ONLY WITH YOUR PERMISSION.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S AUDIT APPROACH, STATUS MEETINGS.
THIS IS WHAT I DO A LOT WITH, WITH MY AUDITS, IS BACK TO THAT NO SURPRISES.
CONTINUOUS COMMUNICATION DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WEEKLY.
WHAT, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL ESTABLISH SOMETHING.
WE'RE SAYING, HEY, LET'S ALL TALK.
GET ON, GET ON A PHONE, GET ON, IT DOESN'T TEAMS MEETING.
WE CAN DO EVERYTHING VIRTUALLY.
NOW IN TERMS OF WHERE DOES THE AUDIT STAND? IS THERE ANYTHING, ANY LOG JAMS, WHAT'S HOLDING US UP? WHAT CAN WE DO? SO EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS.
WHAT I DON'T WANT IS TO HAVE, WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS ONCE WE GET TO THE END, UH, AGAIN, THIS SLIDE IS BUILDING RELATIONSHIP.
OBVIOUSLY ALL THE TRANSITION COST IS REALLY OUR INVESTMENT IN WHAT WE HOPE IS A LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TOWN.
SO THE FEE THAT WAS BID, UM, IS NOT REFLECTIVE OF A TON OF STARTUP COSTS BECAUSE THAT WE JUST KIND OF AMORTIZE THAT OVER THE, OF WHAT WE THINK IS THE COURSE OF A LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP.
UM, IF THERE ARE ANY NEW STANDARDS THAT WOULD AFFECT THE GOVERNMENT.
THANKFULLY THERE HASN'T BEEN TOO MANY, UM, IN RECENT, IN RECENT MEMORY, IT'S POTENTIAL THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO EXTRA WORK.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD DISCUSS THAT WITH THE TOWN.
UM, OUR FEE IS FULLY ALL INCLUSIVE.
UM, SO IT'S NOT, AGAIN, NO SURPRISES.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, HIT YOU WITH A BIG BILL AT THE END.
IT, THE FEE THAT WE BID IS THE FEE THAT WE LIVE BY.
UH, AGAIN, I A LITTLE REDUNDANT IN TERMS OF THAT COMMUNICATIONS.
I SAID IT'S REALLY JUST WHAT I WAS, WHAT I'M TRYING TO CONVEY IN THE SENSE THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO SURPRISES.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE WON'T BE, COULDN'T POTENTIALLY BE A FINDING IN THE AUDIT OR AN ISSUE WITH THE AUDIT.
BUT YOU'LL KNOW, UH, I THINK I'LL TAKE, YEAH, I'LL TAKE THIS.
SEE, I KEEP HITTING THAT LAST BUTTON.
AND THEN, AND THEN YOU GUYS WILL ONLY WAY AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.
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UM, WE LIKE THAT.UM, THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY ABOUT THIS IS, EVEN THOUGH WE'LL PRIMARILY BE WORKING WITH BJ AND STAFF, I LIKE TO REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT WE WORK FOR YOU.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU, WE ISSUE, IT'S CALLED AN INDEPENDENT AUDIT.
AND IT'S AN INDEPENDENT AUDITOR'S REPORT FOR A REASON BECAUSE WE ARE INDEPENDENT.
AND SO WE DON'T REALLY, AND SOMETIMES THE LINES GET BLURRED A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE WE SPEND MOST OF OUR TIME WITH STAFF.
UH, I JUST WANT TO AGAIN, CONVEY THAT.
AND I MEAN, I HAVE TO REMIND STAFF MEMBERS, ET CETERA, THAT WE WORK FOR THE GOVERNING BODY.
AND SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ON THE MM-HMM.
SO, UM, SOME OF OUR SUB, I WON'T EVEN CALL 'EM SUBCOMMITTEES COMMITTEES, LIKE TWO PEOPLE REPRESENT THIS.
AND SO THE MEMBERS OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE USUALLY MEET WITH THE AUDITORS AT THE END.
AND, UM, AND SO OUR FINANCE COMMITTEE MEMBERS HELPED ME OUT.
AND, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ONE FOR THAT ONE.
NO, THERE'S TWO, THERE'S A LOT.
I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK UP.
I KNOW, I, I WAS ON IT WHEN I WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER MM-HMM.
UM, SO ANYWAY, I WAS JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT, UM, THAT, AND THAT'S EXCELLENT BECAUSE SOMETIMES, AND WE CAN ALL, WE DON'T ALWAYS WANT TO BE COMMU AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO CREATE A THING.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE OVER COMMUNICATING WITH THE COMMITTEE.
WE JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE WORK FOR YOU.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT IN THE MINDSET OF THE AUDITORS.
THAT WE'RE NOT WORKING FOR BJ.
RIGHT? WE'RE WORKING FOR YOU AND ALL THE CITIZENS OF THE TOWN.
THAT'S, AND I KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT EASILY GETS BLURRED BECAUSE YOU SPEND 90% OF YOUR TIME WORKING WITH STAFF IN SOME, WELL, THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION.
BUT THE IDEA REALLY ALL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT THAT WE WORK FOR YOU.
IT'S NOT A MATTER OF YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING ANYTHING.
I WILL SAY ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND MAYBE SOME MEMBERS, UH, THERE IS A, THERE IS AN AUDIT STANDARD.
AND I USE, AND I DON'T USE THE TERM, UH, LOOSELY, BUT THERE IS A STANDARD THAT REQUIRES ALL AUDITORS TO INTERVIEW THOSE CHARGED WITH GOVERNANCE.
SO IT COULD BE RANDOM, PROBABLY ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY AMBER, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS AND COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT.
THIS OUR, OUR CLERK OF COUNCIL.
I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, I WAS THINKING IT WAS AMBER, BUT JUST I KNEW IT WAS LAST YEAR.
BUT I THINK YOU STAYED ON IT ANYWAY.
JUST THAT'S MORE FOR OUR HOUSEKEEPING, BUT I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO, BUT YOU WOULD MEET WITH THEM AT THE END IN THE AUDIT
WELL, WE MAY, DURING THE PROCESS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF BJ'S BEEN TOUCHED, IF, BECAUSE WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS THAT PART, THERE'S AN AUDIT STANDARD AND IT'S, IT'S UNDER THE FRAUD STANDARDS, BUT IT'S JUST MEETING WITH VARIOUS PEOPLE MM-HMM.
WHERE ARE YOUR, WHERE, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT KEEPS YOU UP AT NIGHT? AND THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND THERE, THERE'S A SLIDE HERE WHERE WE CAN HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION MM-HMM.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT KEEPS YOU UP AT NIGHT AS A, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, AGAIN, WORK FOR WORK FOR YOU, YOU CAN CALL US ANYTIME.
RIGHT? SO SOMETHING HAPPENS, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WAKE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, I MEET, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
WHERE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT WAS THAT CONVEYANCE.
UM, AND, AND PART OF THOSE STANDARDS ARE THAT THERE WILL BE INTERVIEWS WITH RANDOM PEOPLE AND THEY ROTATES THROUGHOUT PROBABLY FINANCE COMMITTEE, AT LEAST ONE OF, ONE OF THE, SOME OF IT'S ALREADY BEEN CONDUCTED.
SO, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I'M, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YEAH, I KNOW I RECEIVED, I ALREADY RECEIVED A QUESTIONNAIRE, SO I GOTCHA.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE A LITTLE BIT, WE'RE ALREADY PAST THOSE FIRST COUPLE THINGS.
PLANNING AND PRELIMINARY FIELD WORK'S ALREADY BEEN DONE OR CERTAINLY WRAPPING UP, UH, FINAL FIELD WORK, AS I SAID, THOSE LAST TWO STAGES OF LIKE TESTING THE ACTUAL BALANCES THAT GO ROLL UP INTO YOUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
AND THEN THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS THEMSELVES ARE GONNA BE DONE, UM, IN THAT OCTOBER TIMELINE WITH DRAFTS BEING PRESENTED AT THE END OF OCTOBER AND FINAL REPORT AT THE, TOWARDS THE END OF NOVEMBER.
AND THEN KIND OF JUST WRAPPING IT ALL UP IN DECEMBER.
I WAS JUST SAYING THAT'S A LITTLE LATER THAN USUAL OR NO, THAT CORRECT TO THE, UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE, UH, REPORTS TO THE, UH, A P A OF VIRGINIA BY THE END OF NOVEMBER.
I JUST KNOW IT SEEMED LIKE IT USED TO BE IN OCTOBER
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WHEN WE DID THAT.SO, UM, WHAT'S ALSO I THINK WILL BE IMPORTANT IS, UM, FOR, BECAUSE YOU, UM, THIS IS A NEW RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR COMPANY, IS FOR OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO SEE HOW YOU DO THINGS.
SO I'M GLAD TO KNOW THERE'LL BE GETTING INFORMA, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATION ALONG WAY IN CASE THERE'S SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE WANNA, YOU REALLY SHOULD BE DOING IT THIS WAY.
THEY'RE NOT FINDING OUT FIVE MONTHS.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M NOT FINDING OUT FIVE MONTHS? WELL, THAT GOES BACK TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR THAT WE GOTTA DO IT DIFFERENTLY.
AND THAT GOES BACK TO THAT CONTINUOUS COMMUNICATION.
WE ARE REQUIRED TO COMMUNICATE AND SOMETIMES YOU DON'T WANT, SO WE MIGHT MEMORIALIZE THINGS THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCY OR A MATERIAL WEAKNESS IN INTERNAL CONTROLS.
BUT IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS, AND BACK TO MY EARLIER POINT ABOUT HOW THE TEAM IS EXCLUSIVELY WORKS WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
MAYBE THERE'S THINGS THAT THEY'VE SEEN THAT ARE JUST GOOD BEST PRACTICES AND THEY'RE JUST LEAVE BEHINDS, HEY, X, Y, Z TOWN OR CITY IS DOING IT THIS WAY.
YOU DON'T, THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT A KNOCK ON YOU, IT'S JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
THEY'RE NOT MEMORIALIZED NECESSARILY.
IT'S JUST ALL PART OF THOSE COMMUNICATIONS AS I, AS I SAID.
UH, IT'S A AND THEN THAT FIRST YEAR IS A LEARNING CURVE, RIGHT? A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND OBVIOUSLY ALL THE ENSUING YEARS IDEALLY GET MORE EFFICIENT, MORE SEAMLESS.
UM, AND, BUT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE NOT SLEEPING ON THING THAT, THAT'S WHERE I STARTED OUT.
WE TRY NOT TO BE LIKE, OH, WE KNOW FINANCE DOES EVERYTHING GREAT AND JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SLEEP, WALK THROUGH IT.
WE'RE, OUR FINANCE IS PRETTY GREAT THOUGH.
AND SO WITH THAT, I'M JUST GONNA OPEN IT UP IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.
UH, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE THAT, UH, I'M NEITHER JACK OR AKARI, BUT, UM, I JUST, I KNOW THAT SOME BJ WANTED SOMEONE IN PERSON AND I I WAS, WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING ONE FOR THE TEAM.
AND YOU SEEM TO, YOU SEEM TO HAVE RELAYED ALL THE INFORMATION
COMMUNICATIONS WITH GOVERNANCE.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW WHAT OUR PLAN IS.
I WILL SAY, AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING TO ME.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO COMMUNICATE TO MYSELF, JACK AKARI, UH, AFTER THE MEETING TOMORROW, NEXT WEEK, WHATEVER, FROM A, HEY, THIS IS A CONCERN.
I WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU'RE GONNA TACKLE THIS.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
'CAUSE I'M NOT, WASN'T PART OF THE, THE PLAN.
BUT IF THERE IS AN AREA OF CONCERN REGARDING THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OR ANYTHING THAT ROLLS INTO THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND BETTER HOW, HOW THE AUDIT'S KIND OF ADDRESSING THAT, PLEASE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS TRULY ABOUT.
THE REST OF IT IS A BIT PERFUNCTORY, BUT, UM, WELL, COUNSEL, HAS ANYBODY HAVE A, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ANYBODY'D LIKE TO ASK OR COMMENT ON RIGHT NOW BEFORE MR. RAY, UH, LEAVES THAT ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? GO AHEAD, BRUCE.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY QUESTION I, I I HAVE IS, UH, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU SAY THAT 80% OF THIS IS DONE VIRTUALLY WELL, UH, IN THE OTHER 20%? LIKE IS ALONGSIDE, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE IT SHOULDN'T BE.
BUT I, I MEAN, AND I, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE TOWN, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT POST COVID, THAT EVEN THE TOWN HAS GOTTEN MORE SOPHISTICATED IN BEING ABLE TO DO THINGS VIRTUALLY.
I I, I MEAN I'M ASSUMING THAT WHEN COVID HIT, A LOT OF MY CLIENTS ARE, UM, MUCH LARGER.
AND I WAS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO EXECUTE AN AUDIT IN A VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT.
UM, I'M A HUGE FAN OF STILL BEING ON SITE.
I'M STILL A HUGE FAN OF HAVING AUDITORS TALK TO STAFF AND LEARNING THINGS.
SO IT CAN BE, AS WE KNOW, IT CAN BE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I'D LIKE IT TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A HYBRID.
BUT WHEN YOU SAY 80%, I CAN DO A HUNDRED PERCENT, I
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CAN DO 50% 80.IT, IT, IT VARIES IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
THERE ARE CLIENTS THAT WE HAVE THAT FELL IN LOVE WITH EVERYTHING BEING VIRTUAL AND THAT'S WHAT THEY PREFER.
AND THEN THERE'S OTHER ONES THAT WANT US ON SITE.
AND AS I SAID, I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF BEING ON SITE AS MUCH AS YOU WANT US ON SITE, WE CAN DO BACK TO WHAT THOSE DATA ANALYTICS, I CAN GET 100% OF A, OF A POPULATION OF SOMETHING AND DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
OR HAVE A STAFF DO ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT TESTS ON IT AT THEIR DESK.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE TAKING UP SPACE.
I ONLY REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION WAS YOU MENTIONED VIRTUAL, UH, EARLY ON IN YOUR
I HOPE THAT, AGAIN, I HOPE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN HAD, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY WERE ON SITE.
WERE THEY ON THEY WERE ON SITE, CORRECT? YES.
THE IDEA IS TO DO IT AS MUCH ON SITE AS YOU CAN FACILITATE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S MY PREFERENCE.
BUT IT CAN OBVIOUSLY BE DONE A HUNDRED PERCENT REMOTE.
I DIDN'T REALIZE IT UNTIL A FEW YEARS HAD TO
THEN WE ALL LEARNED FROM THAT.
AND OBVIOUSLY ANY REALLY HARD QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL THAT GUY, THAT GUY
YOUR FIRST NAME AGAIN IS THOMAS.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR MR. RAY? ALRIGHT.
THANKS, UH, FOR SHARING ALL THAT INFORMATION WITH US.
DO I JUST LEAVE THE CLICKER UP HERE? SOMEBODY AGAIN, SOMEBODY FROM FROM YOUR OFFICE AGAIN.
SO, UM, NEXT UP IS SOME OLD BUSINESS.
UM, THE, UH, FIRST ITEM IS SCHOOL ZONE FEEDING AND ENFORCEMENT COOPERATIVE PROCUREMENT OF PHOTO SPEED MONITORING DEVICE AND ALL RELATED SUPPORT SERVICES INCLUDING CONSULTING OPERATIONS ADMINISTRATION PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE 46.2 DASH 8 82 0.1 80.
AND GEORGE, YOUR NAME IS BESIDE THAT.
ARE YOU GOING TO EDUCATE US ON THIS? IT IS.
UM, SO WHEN WE LEFT OFF LAST TIME, THE ISSUE AT LEAST ONE ISSUE, UM, WAS WHETHER WE COULD DO, WHETHER WE WERE COMFORTABLE DOING A COOPERATIVE PROCUREMENT WITH BLUE LINE MM-HMM.
UM, THE ACTUAL CONTRACT IS MUCH, MUCH CLEANER THAN WHAT'S IN THE AGENDA PACKET.
UM, I, I KNOW THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS.
I THINK, I THINK A LOT OF THE CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED IN THIS CONTRACT.
NOT THAT IT DOESN'T NEED A LITTLE MORE WORK, BUT IT'S, IT IS A MUCH BETTER, TIGHTER CONTRACT THAN, THAN WHAT WE SAW.
DO, DO WE KNOW? WHY? DO WE KNOW WHY IT WOULD BE TOO? I MEAN, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT, SO, BECAUSE WHAT WE WERE SENT FROM BLUE LINE WAS WHAT THEY SENT US.
RIGHT? BUT THAT'S THE ONE THAT WITH COUNTY BASICALLY ENDED UP NEGOTIATING AND GETTING SIGNED, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, WHICH LAST WEEK THE QUESTION THAT YOU ACTUALLY, UM, POSSIBLY BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION WAS, IS THAT IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE CONTRACT, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO, AND AND MY THOUGHT IS, IS IF IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT IN OUR AGENDA, THEN OBVIOUSLY THEY CHANGED THINGS, RIGHT? THEY DID.
BUT WHAT'S IN THE AGENDA PACKET? IT WAS JUST, I GUESS AN EARLY DRAFT.
UM, SO AGAIN, WHAT WAS ACTUALLY EXECUTED BY WHIT COUNTIES MUCH CLEANER.
UM, UH, MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO WORK WITH.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT STILL REQUIRES SOME CHANGES IF COUNSEL CHOOSES TO GO FORWARD.
ARE ARE WE ALLOWED TO MAKE CHANGE? YES.
REMEMBER LAST WEEK YOU HAD SAID THAT IF IT WAS A, FOR A, IF IT WAS A, WHAT'S IT? IT'S A CC A SOMETHING CONTRACT, A YOU KNOW, A COMPETITIVE CONTRACT COOPERATIVE.
YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT IF WE WERE GOING OFF OF THAT, IT MAY MEAN THAT WE COULDN'T STRAY TOO FAR FROM WHAT THEIR COOPERATIVE CONTRACT WAS.
YES OR NO? IS THAT WELL, THAT, THAT WAS MY CONCERN AND I WAS ALSO LOOKING AT THE DRAFT.
WHICH, WHICH CLEARLY IN MY VIEW NEEDED A LOT OF WORK.
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OKAY.MAY I ASK FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, LIKE THAT SEEMS LIKE A LARGE GRAY AREA THAT THERE'S SUCH VARIATIONS BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO LIKE WITHIN LEGAL REASONING, IF WE'RE USING A COOPERATIVE CONTRACT AND IT'S NOTHING LIKE WHAT THE COMPANY PROVIDED US VERSUS WHAT THE OTHER LOCALITY USED, LIKE DOES THAT MEAN OUR CHANGES CAN BE UNLIMITED BASICALLY? OR LIKE WITHIN REASON BASED OFF OF THEIR CONTRACT? NO, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY PUSHED OUT THE ROUGH DRAFT.
SO WE GO OFF OF THE ONE RECORDED WITH, WITH WHICH COUNTY ANSWER THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WE GO OFF OF THIS, WE GO OFF THE ONE THAT WAS EXECUTED AND WE CAN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR AND WE COULD TAKE THAT AND PROPOSE, I MEAN, IT'S A CONTRACT, RIGHT? I'M GONNA SAY A NEGOTIATION RIGHT.
GIVE DIRECTIVE THE COUNSEL WANTS TO GO FORWARD RIGHT.
WITH OR WITHOUT, WITHOUT THIS PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED.
AND THEN IT WOULD, IT WOULD COME BACK IN FINAL FORM.
ONCE THERE'S A SIGNATURE BY THEM, UH, AN AGREEMENT THAT THAT'S IN THAT THEY HAVE EXECUTED.
WHEN IT COMES TO COUNSEL FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
LAST WEEK WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COUNSEL'S CONSENSUS WAS THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE IDEA OF SPEED CAMERA ENFORCEMENT AND, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, IF WE WENT WITH THAT CONTRACT THAT COMPANY, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO, DID WE HAVE TO EXACTLY STICK TO WHAT WITH COUNTY DID BECAUSE OF THE COOPERATIVE CONTRACTS? SO THE ANSWER IS NO.
WE COULD PROPOSE SOME OTHER CHANGES.
SO THAT YOUR CHANGES ARE REQUIRED NOW THAT I'VE SEEN THE RIGHT, THE ACTUAL EXECUTED KIND OF SO CONCERNS THAT COUNSEL BROUGHT UP AND EVEN CITIZENS BROUGHT UP, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IN A, IN A, IN THE CONTRACT.
IF THAT'S ALL COUNSEL WANTS TO.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS.
NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN.
SO WHAT I'M, I'M OPENING IT UP TO COUNSEL.
WHAT, WHAT DO WE WANNA DISCUSS? I KNOW COUNCILMAN ROGERS.
I WAS, I'M GONNA LET, I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO BE FIRST I WAS GONNA SAY, I'M JUST, I'M CONFUSED, I'M OLD AND I UNDERSTAND.
I'M GONNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT
THE CONTRACT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IS IT A GENERAL CONTRACT THAT INCORPORATES REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN DEFINED? OR ARE THEY REQUIREMENTS THAT BLUE, UH, HAS DEFINED THAT THEY WILL ADHERE TO IN A CONTRACT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IS IT THEIR CONTRACT OR IS IT AT OUR GENERAL CONTRACT REQUIREMENTS WE'RE LOOKING FOR, THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.
WELL, IT'S A CONTRACT THAT WAS NEGOTIATED BETWEEN BLUE LINE AND THE, AND THE LOCALITY WITH WHICH COUNTY.
THAT'S WHAT NOT NOT OUR LOCALITY.
ANOTHER LOCALITY THAT, THAT ALREADY PUT OUT AN R F P.
THAT WAS THAT, THAT ALREADY OUT.
SO WE GO OFF OF THE ONE THAT'S RECORDED COUNTY THAT YOU HAVE AND THAT'S WHY COOPERATIVE PROCUREMENT WORKS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND SOME ENTITY, SOME LOCALITIES ALREADY GONE THROUGH.
I UNDERSTAND THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT MM-HMM.
IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CONTRACT.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S MUCH CLEARER.
I MEAN I THINK WE CAN STILL PROBABLY GET A CONSENSUS ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THERE WAS NEW INFORMATION PRESENTED TO COUNCIL TODAY TOO.
WELL, AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL SHARED AND CITIZEN SHARED AND WE'VE BROUGHT UP SINCE THEN.
IT MAY BE THAT SOME OF THOSE THINGS IN THIS CONTRACT THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU MAYBE THAT SOME OF THOSE THINGS WERE ALREADY ADDRESSED TOO.
SO, UM, BUT THAT MAY NOT BE THE ONLY PART OF THIS DISCUSSION THAT PEOPLE WANNA HAVE.
I WANNA, I WANNA KEEP BRINGING IT BACK TO OPENING IT UP OR DOES ANYBODY HAVE OTHER THOUGHTS? YES, I SMEAR SEE THAT? I THINK MELISSA, DIDN'T YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IT? MM-HMM.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOOD QUESTIONS.
SO, AND I'LL TAKE THOSE INTO THE CAMERA.
DID YOU WANT THE, I KNOW LAST WEEK WE SAID TO SEND GEORGE ANY COMMENTS BUT LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT UP AND WERE BROUGHT UP AT THE FIRST MEETING THAT COUNCIL
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DISCUSSED? WELL, I MEAN WE'VE HAD TWO WORK SESSIONS.AND THEN THERE WAS A NIGHT OF THE, UM, UH, UH, REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING WHERE PEOPLE BROUGHT THINGS UP.
AND AT THAT PARTICULAR MEETING I READ EVERY CONCERN OR QUESTION THAT WE HAD WITH ANSWERS TO THE THINGS I HAD GOTTEN TO SOME WE DIDN'T HAVE ANSWERS TO, BUT THEY WERE SOME DO YOU WANT ME TO PRODUCE THAT FOR YOU AGAIN? OR JUST PULL UP THE EMAIL AND SEND IT TO YOU AGAIN? 'CAUSE I, I, UM, I CAN WELL, WELL AGAIN, IF COUNSEL WANTS TO GO FORWARD RIGHT? NO, I KNOW.
I'M SAYING WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT ABSOLUTELY.
IS THAT THE BEST WAY FOR US TO HANDLE IT? SO, ALRIGHT.
SO THAT, THAT'LL HELP ME WITH YES.
MAKING, NEGOTIATING THE FINAL FORM OF BLUE LINE.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW WHAT'S, WHAT ELSE DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS WITH THIS? 'CAUSE IT, LOOK WE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
IS THERE, THERE'S CONCERN STILL THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO, UM, LOOK AT OTHER COMPANIES? YEAH.
SO I'LL PUT IT IN THE FRAMEWORK OF COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT.
AND I DO KNOW THAT, UH, THERE OUR COMMUNITIES THAT USE, UH, UH, TOOLS THAT HAVE COLLECTED DATA AND UM, COLLECTED CONTRACTS AND EVALUATIONS AND SO FORTH.
I MEAN, THAT'S AVAILABLE AND THAT'S A VERY, VERY HANDY TOOL.
UH, I DON'T, I I I I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT FOR US, EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF THAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE, I WOULD LIKE US FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO, WE NEED SPEED CAMERAS.
I THINK I'M COMING AROUND ON THAT POINT,
BUT WHAT I, WHAT I WANTED US TO LOOK AT IS WHERE ARE WE? AND, AND WE LOOKED AT WHO IS THE COMPANY THAT JUST SENT US THE I'LL TELL.
NOW THERE'S SOME PRETTY DRAMATIC DIFFERENCES.
HOWEVER, IT'S SKEWED BECAUSE REQUIREMENTS ARE DIFFERENT.
AND WHAT I'D LIKE US TO DO IS TO KIND OF DEFINE WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF KNOWS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND HELP US RIGHT.
DEFINE THAT AND PUT IT OUT TO BID.
YOU CAN GIVE IT A 30 DAY TURNAROUND, YOU CAN GIVE IT A 15 DAY TURNAROUND.
YOU'VE ALREADY GOT BOTH COMPANIES THAT KNOW WHAT WE WANT AND ARE HUNGRY.
AND I THINK BOTH OF THEM ARE GOOD COMPANIES COMING FROM SUPPORTING FINE, UH, COMMUNITIES.
SO I THINK THEY BOTH BOTH BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE AND MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE DOES.
UH, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I, THAT'S THE WAY I'D LIKE TO GO.
SO, ANYBODY ELSE WANNA SHARE THOUGHTS? GO AHEAD.
I DIDN'T GET TO ASK BEFORE WE MOVED ONE OF THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
UM, NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT WHAT WERE THE MAJOR DIFFERENCES IN THE CONTRACT THAT BLUELINE PROVIDED TO US VERSUS THE ONE THAT W COUNTY HAS? UM, THE TERM IT'S FOUR YEARS.
SO W COUNTY HAS A FOUR YEAR TERM.
I THINK WE WANNA DO, UM, UH, THE FEE MORE OR LESS IS $15 TWO BLUE ON FROM EACH VERSUS 25 VERSUS 25.
SO IT'S PROBABLY 'CAUSE IT'S A LONGER TERM PERHAPS.
THE EQUIPMENT'S AMORTIZED OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.
I DON'T KNOW HOW BLUE LINE AND I DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA BE IN A FOUR YEAR CONTRACT PERSONALLY.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GONNA, BUT THERE'S A FOUR YEAR WE NEED TO GO WITH A TWO YEAR.
IT CAN BE TERMINATED WITHOUT CAUSE, BUT NOT IN THE FIRST YEAR.
THAT'S THE SAME IF YOU TERMINATE.
IF THE TOWN TERMINATES, THEN THERE'S A PRORATION CALCULATION AS TO HOW MUCH OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO BE REIMBURSED.
I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THAT ONE, I THOUGHT THAT WAS IN THE ONE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS ALREADY A PART OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
I THOUGHT IT IS, IT WAS PRORATING IT.
IF WE, IF LIKE SAY AFTER A YEAR THAT'S THE SAME, THAT'S THE RIGHT, THAT'S THE SAME.
WERE DID DID YOU RECEIVE OR WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE THE ULTIMATE CONTRACT AS WELL THAT COUNSEL GOT? I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T THINK YOU WERE ON THE EMAIL SIDE.
I DO HAVE IT, BUT I DIDN'T YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT? I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.
UM, AND IT, IT SEEMED TO BE WELL VETTED.
MY NEXT AND WE CAN'T USE THAT.
THERE'S NO COOPERATIVE CONTRACT THAT WE CAN USE FOR THEM.
I THINK THERE IS, I BRING UP, BRING IT WITH ME, BUT I THINK THERE IS, SO CITY OF SUFFOLK.
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SUFFOLK.UM, MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THAT CONTRACT WITH, WITH COUNTY, UH, PERTAINING TO LIKE A SUNSET LAW TYPE OF THING? IF LEGISLATION WERE TO CHANGE YES.
MY UNDERSTANDING FROM BLUE LINE'S COMMUNICATION WAS THAT THEY LEGALLY COULD NOT BILL US FOR SOMETHING THAT WE COULD NOT USE DUE TO LEGISLATION CHANGE.
IS THAT YOUR INTERPRETATION? MY, MY READ IS THAT, UH, THE ONLY SITUATION WHERE THERE WOULD BE A PRORATION FIRST YEAR IS, UM, FIRST YEAR OR EARLY TERMINATION.
WHY FORCE ME ACTIVE? THE ACTIVE OF GOD FORCE ACT OF GOD FORCE MEANS YOU ARE, I FORGET THE PROCESS, BUT IT'S LIKE FORCES BEYOND ANY PARTY'S CONTROL.
IT JUST, EVERY, THE PARTY, THE AFFECTED PARTY JUST HAS TO NOTIFY THE OTHER PARTY.
YOU KNOW, THE CONTRACT TERMINATES AND THERE'S NO PRO RATIO.
SO THOSE WERE THE MAJOR DIFFERENCES THAT YOU NOTICED THAT UM, I THINK THAT WAS FAIRLY CONSISTENT ACTUALLY.
NO, I MEAN THE FOUR YEAR VERSUS TWO YEAR 15 VERSUS 25.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND.
I THINK YOU SAID IT, YOU SAID IT, YOU SAID JUST CLARIFYING, BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG ONE FOR ME IS, SO IF FOR SOME REASON LEGISLATION WOULD CHANGE AND WE WERE ALREADY INTO THIS AND IT HAPPENED BEFORE THE ONE YEAR BEFORE THE ONE YEAR AND WE COULDN'T USE IT ANYMORE, WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT, THAT'S, I'LL MAKE CERTAIN THAT IT'S, YEAH, THAT'S A BIG ONE.
I MEAN THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, BECAUSE THAT REALLY ISN'T OUR, MY, MY READ IS THAT TERMINATE THAT CASE THAT I'D WANNA WAIT UNTIL THE LEGISLATURE, YOU KNOW, SITS IN JANUARY TO SEE IF THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
YOU KNOW? AND THIS WOULDN'T GO IN UNTIL AT LEAST JANUARY, EVEN IF WE VOTED ON THIS THIS MONTH.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH, IF THE CONTRACT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT A, A ONE YEAR, YOU KNOW, CONTRACT THING.
SO, BUT I THINK THAT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY.
I WOULD THINK THAT IF THERE WAS A CHANGE, IT WOULD BE A SUNSET.
NOW THE CONTRACT ALSO TERM TALKS ABOUT A COURT DECISION.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, THAT JUST DETERMINES THAT HEY, YOU CAN'T DO THIS OKAY.
SO IF SOMEBODY WERE TO CHALLENGE THIS LAW YEAH.
SO IT ALSO ADDRESSES THAT, WHICH YEAH.
WELL THAT'S GOOD THAT THEY DID DO THAT.
'CAUSE THAT HAS POTEN THAT ALWAYS IS A POTENTIAL.
SO I THINK IF THE LAW WERE TO CHANGE, IT WOULD BE A SUNSET TYPE THING.
UM, SO COUNSEL, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE ON THIS? UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, UH, WHAT, WHERE ARE WE? WHAT'S, SO I ALWAYS, I MEAN I, I, YEAH.
I FEEL LIKE LET'S GIVE ONE FIRST TODAY.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA SEE WHAT THE CLEANED UP CONTRACT IS WITH, WITH OKAY.
WHETHER THAT BE, UM, GEORGE IS GOING TO BE ASKING FOR DIRECTION WHEN HE LEAVES HERE.
I'M GUESSING HE'S LOOKING TO WHETHER OR NOT HE WANTS TO CLEAN UP WHAT'S THERE FOR US, COME BACK TO US WITH IT.
I'LL ADMIT I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I'VE SPENT ALL THIS TIME READING THROUGH THIS ONLY FOR, WELL, THERE THERE IS A LOT OF, THERE IS A LOT OF CARRYOVER BETWEEN THE TWO, SO.
BUT, UM, ANYWAYS, I EVER, HOW WE DECIDE TO DO IT, I, I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE CLEANED UP VERSION OF WHAT GEORGE DOES, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT HE LOOKS AT THE CONCERNS AND, UM, QUESTIONS THAT WERE, OR THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE BROUGHT UP.
SO WELL, THEY WERE ALL ADDRESSED JUST NOW, WEREN'T THEY? WELL, YEAH, THEY WERE ADDRESSED.
I MEAN, THEY WERE, THEY EMAIL, A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS WERE CHIEF ANSWERED SOME OF 'EM PREVIOUSLY.
BLUE LINE ANSWERED FROM 'EM PREVIOUSLY I THINK.
AND THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN EMAIL BURIED IN THE EMAIL.
UH, ONE QUESTION THAT NOBODY HAS BEEN ABLE TO ANSWER FOR ME YET IS, UM, IF THERE'S AN APPEALS PROCESS, WE, WE'VE YET TO HEAR WHETHER OR NOT, IF, LET'S JUST SAY JOE SMITH RIGHT.
GETS, UH, GETS ONE OF THESE VIOLATIONS AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M, I'M FIGHTING THIS AND I'M GOING TO COURT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, I'VE GOTTEN A VARIETY OF ANSWERS TO IT AND IS WHETHER OR NOT THAT PERSON GOES IN AND APPEALS THAT A HUNDRED DOLLARS CIVIL PENALTY WHEN, AND EVEN IF THE JUDGE SAYS, YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU DON'T, YOU RIGHT, YOU ARE RIGHT.
YOU AREN'T GUILTY OF THIS, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY THAT A HUNDRED DOLLARS CIVIL PENALTY.
BUT DO THEY PAY COURT COSTS? DO THEY NOT? ARE THE COURT COSTS $79 OR THE COURT COSTS 65? YOU KNOW, I, THESE ARE THINGS THAT I FEEL LIKE CITIZENS WOULD WANNA, I WOULD WANNA KNOW THAT.
BECAUSE IF IT GETS, IF IT, I MEAN, I'M JUST GONNA SAY LIKE, I'LL JUST GIVE Y'ALL A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION.
IF MY COURT COSTS WERE GONNA BE $79, EVEN IF I WERE FOUND NOT GUILTY FOR A HUNDRED DOLLARS CIVIL PENALTY TO PAY $79 AND I HAVE TO TAKE A DAY
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OFF OF WORK TO GO TO COURT, IT SUDDENLY HAS COST ME MORE THAN A HUNDRED DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, IN TIME AND MONEY AND, AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.AND THEN YOU, SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD ALMOST ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO JUST LET IT GO.
AND I, I DON'T WANT ANY OF OUR CITIZENS TO FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT THEIR HANDS TIED ON THEIR BACK.
NOW THE OTHER THING IS IF THEY TAKE IT TO COURT AND THEY LOSE AND THEY STILL PAY THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS CIVIL PENALTY AND THEY'RE, ARE THEY STILL GONNA PAY THE COURT COSTS? 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA COST THEM A HUNDRED AND WHATEVER THE COURT COSTS FOR.
ACTUALLY, I THINK I RISKING PUTTING MYSELF OUT THERE ON THIS ONE, BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S SIMILAR TO A CONTESTED PARKING TICKET.
WE HAVE A PROCEDURE FOR CONTESTING PARKING TICKETS WITHIN SEVEN DAYS, AND IT'S MORE OF A ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL, EVEN THOUGH IT GOES TO THE GENERAL DISTRICT COURT AND IT'S ON THE CRIMINAL DOCKET.
IT'S REALLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL AND THERE ARE NO COURT COSTS.
CAN IT BE APPEALED TO THE CIRCUIT COURT? YES.
SO THAT, SO THAT, SO I DON'T THINK THERE ARE COURT COSTS ASSESSED.
AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE A S FIRM OF THE ANSWER TO THAT.
AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN ANSWER OR THE CLERK OF THE COURT CAN ANSWER.
I READ AGAIN THE OTHER COMPANY THAT WE MENTIONED ULTIMATE.
I BELIEVE IN THE DOC, AND I BELIEVE I SAW IT TODAY, MAYBE AT THE CLOSE OF A PARAGRAPH THEY WERE MAKING REFERENCE TO COURT COSTS.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN DIG THAT UP.
BUT I THINK THEY'VE GOT THE LANGUAGE OF THAT.
AND I, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I, THAT I'VE HEARD THAT THAT'S WHAT, UH, THAT'S WHAT CITIZENS' CONCERNS ARE, IS THE FEELING AS THOUGH THAT THIS, THE FEELING AS THOUGH THAT THEY ARE ALMOST IN A POSITION WHERE IT'S EASIER TO JUST PAY THE PENALTY THAN IT WOULD BE TO ARGUE IT.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THEY SHOULD BE ARGUING IT, IF THEY'RE SPEEDING, NOT SPEEDING OR WHATEVER.
BUT IF THEY'RE CONTESTING IT, IT MIGHT NOT BEEN THERE.
IF THEY'RE CONTESTING IT, THERE'S A REASON WHY THEY'RE CONTESTING IT FOR WHATEVER REASON.
I, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I FEEL LIKE WE, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT, AND, AND CHIEF KNOWS, AND MR. SONIC KNOWS, AND I'VE EVEN ASKED SOME PEOPLE AT THE COURTHOUSE, LIKE I I HAD FEEL LIKE SEVERAL PEOPLE LIKE, WELL, YOU HAVE TO ASK SOANDSO, YOU HAVE TO ASK.
SO YEAH, GOSH KNOWS I'VE THERE, THERE ALL BE SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE THAT KNOWS THE ANSWER TO THIS.
I THINK WE, WE HAVE, IF I'M HEARING IT RIGHT, WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME POSITION OF COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATION ON THIS.
AND THAT MAY, YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE NEGOTIATE WITH WHOMEVER THAT COULD BE ONE OF OUR REQUIREMENTS.
UM, WHOEVER'S CHOSEN, SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN LIKE, LIKE THE, THE POINT THAT, UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW, UH, COUNCILMAN ROGERS OR COUNCILMAN MORRIS, UH, ABOUT THE, UH, PENALTIES, UH, THAT PARAGRAPH IN, IN THE OTHER COMPANY, UH, IT WAS ABOUT, UH, TESTIFYING COST TRAVEL AND LODGING COSTS.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S UM, EXPERT HOUR AT RATES.
SO I MEAN, THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT CAN MAKE OR BREAK A DEAL.
SO, UH, COURT COSTS, WE CAN'T NEGOTIATE COURT COSTS.
THEY'RE EITHER COURT COSTS OR THEY'RE NOT THE TOWN.
NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WILL NOT RECEIVE ANY OF THAT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ON THEY'RE PUTTING, UNLESS IM WRONG.
IF THEY'RE GONNA CONTEST SOMETHING, IT'S UP TO THEM TO PAY FOR THEIR WITNESS.
ALTO, THE ALTOONA CONTRACT THOUGH, SAYS THAT IF, IF THEY WERE TO COME UP AND AND PROVIDE TESTIMONY, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE TOWN.
LIKE SUFFOLK HAS TO PAY FOR THEIR LODGING AND YOU KNOW, THEIR G S A RADIO 'CAUSE THEY USE THEIR OWN IN-HOUSE EXPERT, WHEREAS OURS GO THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH BLUE LINE.
THEY'D HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE, THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY THAT PERSON.
BUT, BUT THROUGH THE COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATION, YOU, YOU, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO BRING THEM TO THE STATE.
THE, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WITH THAT IS EVERY TICKET IS VETTED BY, AND CHIEF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, EVERY TICKET AT ULTIMATE IS VETTED BY ULTIMATE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT BLUE LINE.
THEY ALL COME THROUGH AT THE END OF BUSINESS DAY TO THE FRONT ROW POLICE DEPARTMENT TO BE VETTED.
SO YOU GUYS DON'T SEE THESE, YOU GUYS, WE WOULD VALIDATE TICKETS OR CITATIONS FROM EITHER COMPANY THAT'S IN THE
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STATE STATUTE.SO IT'S ONLY THE CONTESTED ONES THAT THEY'LL SEND THEIR EXPERT FOR.
WELL, AND I, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHETHER IT'S IT'S STRICTLY CONTESTED OR CONTESTED AND THEN APPEALED WHERE, WHERE THEY MAY HAVE TO RIGHT.
SEND AN, AN EXPERT UP TO TESTIFY TO THE VERACITY OF THE EQUIPMENT.
IF THE, IF THERE WAS AN EQUIPMENT, IF THE, IF THE ARGUMENT WAS AN EQUIPMENT ISSUE, NOT A SPEED MEASUREMENT ISSUE YEAH.
THAT, THAT A POLICE OFFICER WOULD BE ABLE, HEY, CHIEF IF I MAY, YEAH.
UH, HOW MANY PEOPLE CONTESTED A HUNDRED DOLLARS TICKETS? WHAT WAS IT SIGNIFICANT? DID YOU GET THAT DATA AS FAR AS HOW MANY AND ALL THAT DATA THEY COLLECTED ON, UM, DO THEY PROVIDE AN, AN IDEA OF, OF HOW MANY FOLKS THAT GET ISSUED THESE? OH, I, I CAN, I CAN FIND THAT OUT.
BUT MY, THE SENSE THAT I GOT FROM SPEAKING TO BOTH, BOTH OF THOSE COMPANIES, THERE'S VERY, VERY FEW OF 'EM.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY, SEE, I WOULD THINK SO.
AND BECAUSE OF WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, YOU GOT $79.
WHAT IS THE COURT COST NOW? GEORGIA ROUGHLY 80.
IF YOU GO TO CIRCUIT, MY ONLY OTHER, THIS SHOULDN'T GO TO CIRCUIT, THIS WOULDN'T ON APPEAL IT APPEAL, BUT, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE COURT COSTS.
MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION OR CONCERN WITH COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATIONS, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT WITH ULTIMATE, IS WE PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND I MEAN, FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN IF I'M WRONG, BUT I'VE REVIEWED THE BUDGET EVERY YEAR AND THAT'S A LARGE LUMP SUM OF CASH.
HOW ABOUT IF WE DEFINE A FACT, THEY KNOW HER CAMERA.
THEY KNOW THAT, UH, BLUE LINE IS GIVING 'EM TO US.
WELL, OUR REQUIREMENT IS WE WANT FREE CAMERAS.
I I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TOO RESTRICTIVE CONTRACTUALLY, BUT WE CAN DEFINE THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
I HEAR EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I MEAN THAT'S A HUGE EXPENDITURE UP FRONT.
AND IF BLUE LINE IS OFFERING THAT FREE, I MEAN, FOR ME, I GUESS I'M JUST PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.
IT'S JUST WHY DIDN'T YOU OFFER 'EM FREE UPFRONT? YES, CHIEF.
SO NEITHER ONE OF THEM REQUIRE UPFRONT WHAT, NEITHER, NEITHER COMPANY REQUIRES.
ULTIMATE 3,500 PER CAMERA, CAMERA AND IT ROLLS OVER.
COULD I ASK YOU TO COME UP HERE? I I DON'T, I'M SORRY.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING YOU READING THE CONTACT.
NO, I KNOW, BUT WE ARE, WE'RE KIND OF YELLING BACK THERE AND I REALIZE THAT THE PUBLIC ISN'T, THEY'RE HEARING I I'VE WATCHED THESE THINGS BEFORE AND YOU HEARING ABOUT HALF.
SO I DON'T, I IF YOU DON'T MIND THEN THAT WAY WE'RE NOT KIND OF LOOKING OVER EACH OTHER'S CHAIRS.
THANK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION.
SO, SO, UH, AND JUST KIND OF BROADLY, THE, THE BLUE LINE, UH, RESPONSIBILITY FOR AN UNFULFILLED CONTRACT WITHOUT CAUSE IS $75,000 FOR THE ENTIRE TWO YEAR CONTRACT.
FOR EACH, FOR EACH SITE, EACH SITE, EACH SITE ULTIMATE CHARGES $3,500 PER MONTH PER CAMERA.
AND WHATEVER'S NOT COVERED BY THE FEES ROLLS OVER EACH MONTH.
NOW IF YOU GET TO THE END OF THEIR, OF, OF THEIR CONTRACT TERM, WHICH THE ONE THAT I'VE GOT IS THREE YEARS, UM, IT IT, IT'S NOT REALLY CLEAR IN THE, IN THEIR CONTRACT, BUT IT, IT, IT'S THAT MONEY'S ROLLED OVER AND THEY KEEP TRACK OF IT.
THERE IS AN EARLY TERMINATION CLAUSE THAT'S, UH, SOMEWHAT NEBULOUS.
IT, IT, IT SAYS CITY WILL PAY CONTRACTOR FOR WORK PERFORMED, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY BRASS TACK OUT WHAT THAT IS.
SO CHIEF, JUST, UH, A COUPLE THINGS THAT COME TO MIND.
I I'VE NOT SEEN THE EQUIPMENT, BUT I, I, I'M, IT'S THIS, I I'M GUESSING IT'S KIND OF THE SAME TECHNOLOGY, SAME SORT OF LEVEL OF TECHNOLOGY.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I WOULD JUST REQUEST, I'VE GOTTEN SOME GRIEF FROM CONSTITUENTS ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, AND I KNOW IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AND IT'S A LOT TO DIGEST AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE GET A TEMPERATURE CHECK.
ONCE AGAIN, WE DID IT LAST MONDAY, BUT AS WE KNOW, THINGS CHANGE WEEK TO WEEK.
UH, IF WE STILL WANT THESE FROM WHOEVER THEY COME FROM AT ALL PERIOD, IF WE STILL HAVE A CONSENSUS TO EVEN HAVE THEM.
AND THEN IF WE HAVE THE CONSENSUS TO DO OUR OWN R F P, JUST BECAUSE TODAY I HAD SOMEONE REACH OUT TO ME AND THEY WERE LIKE, THIS IS THE FIRST ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA AGAIN TODAY.
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AND THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES THAT, I MEAN, WE'VE, WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON IT AND I DON'T MIND DOING THAT.WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO THAT, BUT IF, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA, I JUST FEEL TO BE RESPECTFUL TO GEORGE, THE CHIEF ULTIMATE BLUE LINE, IF WE'RE GONNA, WE NEED TO KNOW IF WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO PURSUE THIS BEFORE WE CONTINUE TO SPEND WORK SESSIONS WORKING ON IT.
AND I, AND I MEAN THAT IN THE MOST RESPECTFUL WAY.
AND I THINK TOO THAT, UM, I THINK LAST WEEK THE CONSENSUS WAS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
BUT I'M OKAY IF PEOPLE HAVE A DIFFERENT CONSENSUS.
DO, DO, DOES, DO YOU ALL WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SPEED CAMERAS IN SCHOOL ZONES, SPEED CAMERA ENFORCEMENT IN SCHOOL ZONES? YES.
EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT PART? YES.
I KNOW WE'RE NOT DOING A VOTE, BUT YES, I'M OKAY WITH IT, BUT I I DO, I DO HATE THAT ALL THE FEEDBACK WE GET
THAT'S BEEN OVERWHELMING, YOU KNOW, CONTINUES TO BE SO NEGATIVE.
AND I FEEL LIKE I DID GET POSITIVE FEEDBACK TODAY.
OH REALLY? YOU SHOULD SHARE THAT SOMEONE, IT'S SHAME THAT I DON'T SEND A DOG.
I KNOW THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS, AND THE THINGS LIKE THIS AND WELL, I'VE NEVER BEEN ONE TO ASK WHAT I'M GONNA SAY.
IF WE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK I EXPRESSED THIS IN THE PUBLIC WORK SESSION LAST TIME.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT LAW AND ORDER SHOULD BE UP TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
I DO COME FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUND, SO I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU HOST A PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S MAINLY GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO SPEED THAT COME AND SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS KIND OF THING.
UM, BUT ALSO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THAT THERE'S A FEAR, AND THIS IS WITH ANY PUBLIC HEARING, TO COME AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A CONTENTIOUS ITEM.
UM, WE'VE SEEN IT WITH DEVELOPMENTS, WE'VE SEEN IT WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
UM, PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF THE BACKLASH.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK.
UM, AND I DO KNOW THAT THE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK I'VE GOTTEN HAS, HAS BEEN THE SAME COUPLE OF PEOPLE.
UM, I'VE GOTTEN SOME OF IT AND IT SEEMS TO CONTINUE THE SAME COUPLE OF PEOPLE.
THE CONVERSATION THAT I'VE BEEN HAVING WITH STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT.
EVEN I, I TOLD THE CHIEF EARLIER TODAY THAT SOMEBODY THAT'S IN THE STATE POLICE CALLED ME AND THEY SAID, THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS AMBER, EVERYBODY AROUND THE TABLE, EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY AGREES THAT PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN IS THE PRIORITY.
SAFETY OF CHILDREN IS, IS THE PRIORITY, BUT WHAT IS THE RESOLUTION? AND UM, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S ENFORCING THE LAW BY WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY.
AND THIS RESULT, THIS SEEMS TO BE THE BEST OPTION.
AND, UM, SO PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA COME OUT AND SAY, WE DON'T WANNA PROTECT THE CHILDREN.
THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT AND SAY, SPEED CAMERAS ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
WHICH IS INVASION PRIVACY IN MY CHOICE, NOT CORRECT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND AND COMPREHEND THE CONSTITUTION.
SO, UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'VE LEARNED THAT THE SCHOOLS ARE PROPOSING, UM, STOP BUS ARM CAMERAS.
THAT COMPANY EVEN SAID THAT THEY'VE TALKED TO WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS ABOUT IT AND SCHOOLS, CAMERAS IN THE CLASSROOM.
UM, SO I DON'T SEE HOW USING EXACTLY, YEAH.
THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY TO IS AN INVASION.
PROPERTY DETER PEOPLE FROM BREAKING THE LAW IS AN INVASION OF PROPERTY OR KILLS AN SMALL TOWN.
SMALL TOWN, EVERYBODY BRINGS THAT UP TOO.
BUT WE KEEP SMALL TOWN CHARM BY HAVING PEOPLE GO 25 MILES AN HOUR BEING ALIVE.
I GOING PUT IT OUT LIKE THIS TO COUNCIL AND WHOEVER'S CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
WE HAVE A WAY, WE HAVE A A A MECHANISM HERE THAT WILL POTENTIALLY SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.
IF FOR SOME REASON WE DON'T PUT IT IN, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO SIT AROUND THIS TABLE AND THINK ABOUT THAT KID THAT GETS HEAD OUT THERE ON ER ROAD AND EITHER PUT IN A WHEELCHAIR OR PUT IN A CASKET? AND TO THAT POINT, CURRENTLY AT WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL, WHICH IS ONE OF THE PROPOSED SITES, THERE IS NO CROSSING GUARD.
THE TOWN HAS BEEN SOLICITING AND ACTIVELY HIRING FOR THAT POSITION.
WE HAVE NOT HAD ONE SINCE SCHOOL STARTED THIS YEAR.
SO WHEN I PICKED MY KIDS UP FROM SCHOOL FRIDAY AT THE WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL IN
SO WE HAD AN OFFICER OUT THERE WALKING THE KIDS THAT WALK AND BI BICYCLE BACK AND FORTH, AND THEN ONE RUNNING RADAR.
AND SO AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF AND THE MANPOWER AND SOMEBODY EMAILED AND TOLD US TO GET MORE CROSSING GUARDS, BUT WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN FILL ONE, HOW ARE YOU GONNA GET FOUR MORE? YOU CAN'T FIND THEM.
WELL, AND PEOPLE ARE I THAT PEOPLE COULD BE GET HIT, BE CROSSING GUARD LINE ON, HOPEFULLY, FINGERS CROSSED NEXT WEEK.
AND SO ONE, ONE THING THEN, COUNCILMAN MORRIS THAT YOU DID SAY, I JUST WANNA SAY, LIKE YOU SAID, THIS IS, THIS IS THE BEST AVENUE, THE REAL BEST AVENUE WOULD BE TO HAVE MORE OFFICERS THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE THERE ON SITE ENFORCING IT.
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UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO DO THAT.I'M JUST, I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR FOR THOSE WHO THAT ARE FINDING FAULT WITH THIS DECISION.
AND, AND I'VE HEARD THAT FROM MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAID, BUT I'LL JUST PUT PEOPLE OUT THERE GIVE SPEEDING TICKETS.
YOU'D ONLY HAVE TO DO IT A FEW WEEKS AND THEY WOULD SLOW DOWN.
BUT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCE TO DO THAT.
SO BACK TO THE QUESTION, DO WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH MAKING TO, TO ACTUALLY FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THIS? AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S ALL RIGHT.
WE, WE'VE, WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT WE WON'T VISIT THAT QUESTION AGAIN UNLESS SOMEBODY ABSOLUTELY WANTS TO.
WELL, ONE PERSON WOULDN'T CHANGE THE CONSENSUS.
SO, SO THAT DECISION HAS BEEN MADE.
THE NEXT DECISION IS WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS.
ARE WE, DO WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN ANOTHER COMPANIES? NOT ENTERTAIN THEM, BUT DO WE WANT TO GATHER TO HAVE TWO COMPANIES BID AGAINST EACH OTHER, NOT AGAINST YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? DO WE WANNA DO THAT OBJECT? ARE WE MOVING FORWARD WITH BLUE LINE? AND IF WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH BLUE LINE, HAVING GEORGE, UM, I MEAN GEORGE VET THAT CONTRACT AND INCLUDE ALL THE THINGS, THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO TELL STAFF WHERE WE WANNA GO.
CHIEF, CHIEF, YOU SAID THIS OTHER COURSE, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE ULTIMATE? SO THEY, THEY BILL US $3,500 A MONTH.
SO IF, IF THEY COMPLETE THE CONTRACT, IF WE COMPLETE THE CONTRACT WITH THEM, THAT IT'S FORGIVEN EVEN IF WE DON'T MEET THE, TO MEET THAT, UH, THRESHOLD.
SO IT'S A SIMILAR TYPE OF SCENARIO.
IT'S JUST BUILT, I, IT'S, IT'S BUILT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
'CAUSE THERE'S, SO THERE'S ALMOST LIKE A QUOTA WITH THAT ONE BECAUSE THE WHATEVER'S NOT COVERED BY THE, THAT MONTH GETS ROLLED OVER TO THE NEXT MONTH AND RIGHT.
BUT AT THE END OF THE END OF THE, AT THE END OF THEIR CONTRACT, THEN THE THREE YEAR CONTRACT, IT TERMINATES WITH NO MONEY COMING FROM THE MUNICIPALITY.
MR. WALT, YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, AND I'LL, I'LL LET CHIEF WEIGH IN ON THIS AS WELL, BUT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS STILL BLUE LINE.
BUT IF, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO ENTERTAIN OTHER FIRMS, WE'LL ISSUE AN R F P.
RIGHT? AND THEN WE'LL NEED TO KNOW WHAT COUNCIL'S INVOLVEMENT IS IN SELECTING THAT VENDOR AS WELL.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY SITTING HERE TONIGHT IS DEBATING ON WHICH COMPANY, WELL, WHAT OPTIONS DO WE HAVE IF WE'RE JUST LIKE, WE HAVE GIVEN GEORGE, YOU KNOW, A, A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT OUR PREFERENCES ARE WITH THE CONTRACT, SO CAN'T WE LEAVE IT WITH THAT? WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH BLUE, BLUE LINE CONDITIONAL ON THE MEETING OUR, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIES FOR THE CONTRACT.
CAN WE, CAN WE DO THAT? I STILL DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING A COMPETITIVE YES.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO ASK, 'CAUSE IT, UM, CHIEF SAID ABOUT THE $3,500 AND, AND THAT'S THAT, UM, I'M JUST ASKING IS THAT, COULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE ABLE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WAS A NEGOTIATION TOOL? ABSOLUTELY.
MEANING THAT, UM, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE REPRESENTATIVE, WE ALL GOT THE SAME EMAIL.
AND AGAIN, WE ALL KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE SALES REPRESENTATIVES, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEIR JOB IS TO GET THE CONTRACTS.
I'M, I'M TOTALLY, TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT A CITY, THEY KEEP TALKING, CALLING US A CITY.
SO, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SUGGESTED, UM, WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN EARLY TERMINATION BE.
AND THAT, UH, AT A THOUSAND VIOLATIONS A MONTH AND 80% PAY RATE, THE COST THAT WE WOULD BE GOING WITH IS DOUBLE OUR DOUBLE THEIR COST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I JUST, I I JUST WAS ASKING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
I, AND I'M, AND I'M FINE WITH WHATEVER COUNSEL WANTS TO GO TO.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I EXHAUST ALL THE QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANNA EXHAUST ALL THE QUESTIONS.
I THINK IF, WHAT I KIND OF ENVISION IS, I WOULDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY.
CHIEF KNOWS ALL OF THAT STUFF.
HE KNOWS WHAT'S NEEDED AND WHAT'S BEST AND SO FORTH.
UH, FROM THE COUNCIL'S PERSPECTIVE WAS WHAT DO WE WANT IN TERMS OF OUR FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY OF TAKING CARE OF THE MONEY THAT IS LOOKING AT DEFINING OUR REQUIREMENTS AND SEEING WHO CAN MEET 'EM.
IF WE DON'T WANNA TAKE A PENNY OUT OF OUR POCKET, WE WRITE THAT DOWN AS A REQUIREMENT.
NOT THAT THAT PHRASE, BUT, UH, BUT WE GENERATE THE REQUIREMENTS AND
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LET THESE GUYS FIGHT IT OUT.UM, AND WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
WHAT BETTER? I MEAN, 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THERE.
THE BIGGEST, THE BIGGEST PRO OF THIS WITH BLUE ANYWAYS, IS NOT HAVING ANY, WELL, NEITHER ONE OF'EM ARE LEAVING MY UPFRONT, HOWEVER, 3,500 A MONTH SAYING IT'S FRONT.
IF IT'S 35 A MONTH, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
IT WOULD BE A 3,500 A MONTH BILL REGARDLESS.
BUT IT WAS ALL OVER EVERY MONTH.
HOWEVER, WE'D HAVE TO ASK BJ OVER THERE, BJ, GO GET TO THE MONEY TREE AND GET READY TO HAVE 3,500 BUCKS A MONTH.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S PER CAMERA THOUGH.
PER CAMERA, RIGHT? WELL, LET ME FINISH, LET ME TALK THIS OUT HERE.
I'M, I'M TALKING NUMBERS HERE.
AND I DO KNOW CAMERAS PROBABLY BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS ROOM.
UM, UH, SO I'D SAY BJ, GO TO THE MONEY TREE, WE'D SAY AND PULL OUT $3,500 A MONTH IN CASE WE NEED, OKAY.
BJ'S GONNA PULL OUT $35 NEXT MONTH.
I THINK THAT THAT THROWS A, UH, UH, I THINK THAT THAT THROWS A CURVE BALL FOR HIM AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN ALL THIS GUMS UP AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, OKAY.
WHETHER WE'RE NOT OR OVER, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ISSUE 3000 TICKETS, YOU KNOW, OR THREE.
TO EVEN GET TO $300,000, GONNA BE THREE, 3000 TICKETS.
BUT THAT'S GONNA BE FOR THEM TO RECOVER, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR COSTS.
SO IF, IF WE DO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO THAT, IF THAT'S 125 TICKETS IN TWO YEARS FOR ALL LOCATIONS, IF YOU DO THE MATH THAT WAY ANYWAYS MM-HMM.
SO, UM, NOW THE HOPE IS THAT MAYBE IF A FEW PEOPLE GET TICKETS, THEN WE WON'T GET, YOU KNOW, THAT NUMBER WILL, WILL COME DOWN.
DRAMATIC, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE CUT DRAMATICALLY.
SO, UM, I'M JUST SAYING FROM A, FROM A NUMBER STANDPOINT, AND KNOWING THE TECHNOLOGY OF THE CAMERAS, UH, I THINK THAT BLUE LINE WOULD BE THE BETTER OPTION.
I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING, BUT WHAT MY QUESTION, THIS COMING, THIS COMES TO MY QUESTION FOR YOU, SKIP, WHAT DO YOU WANT BETTER THAN WHAT BLUE LINE HAS TO OFFER RIGHT NOW? I JUST WANT TO BLUE LINE.
YEAH, I'M, I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING IF YOU KNOW SOMETHING BAD.
I MEAN, I'M, I DON'T, I DON'T, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
UH, BOTH OF THEM HAVE SIGNIFICANT CONTRACTS WITH COMMUNITIES THAT WE ALL RESPECT THAT ARE AROUND HERE.
UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF BLUE LINE IS THE ONLY COMPETITOR, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE CONTROL, UH, IN TERMS OF REQUIREMENTS, IN TERMS OF COSTS.
IF WE GET SOMEBODY ELSE IN TO PLAY THE GAME OR POSSIBLY THREE, WE HAVE SOME REAL CREATIVE BARGAINING POWER.
THEY'RE PLAYING, THEY'RE PLAYING GAMES WITH THE FINANCIALS, RIGHT? SO UPFRONT IS ZERO.
THIS GUY'S GOT 3,500, AND AT THE END OF THE YEAR, IT ALL WORKS OUT.
I WANNA LOOK AT BOTTOM NUMBERS ON THINGS JUST AS A, YOU KNOW, JUST TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE.
SO, BUT, BUT REALLY THE DUE FACTORS WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS REALLY THE BOTTOM LINE COST OF THE EQUIPMENT AND, AND WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY OF PAYING IT OFF.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHERE YOU'RE GETTING WHATEVER, I DON'T KNOW NOW THE INTANGIBLE UNTANGIBLE PART OF IT.
ADMINISTRATIVE FEES LIKE THAT.
I CAN JUST TELL YOU, YOU, IF I GET, IF I CAN GET A VIEW OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY'RE USING, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT OFF THE BAT IF ONE EQUIPMENT'S BETTER THAN THE OTHER AND WE NEED TO DO THAT, ESSENTIALLY THEIR EQUIPMENT.
SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST LIKE WE'RE LEASING IT, WE'RE LEASING A SERVICE FOR THEM.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE PAYING FOR A SERVICE, RIGHT.
JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE FOR THE BODY CAM.
SO IT'S A LEASING SERVICE IN A WAY.
AND WE, YOU SEE THAT THEY DID A COMPARISON.
DID ANYBODY ELSE LOOK AT THAT? THE COLOR CODED COMPARISON? NOW THAT WAS PRETTY DRAMATIC TO ME.
AND, BUT I DON'T, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.
BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE IN THOSE NUMBERS CAUSE YOU TO SAY, OKAY, NOW WE REALLY GOTTA TAKE A LOOK AT BOTH THESE COMPANIES AND WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING BECAUSE IN, IN THEIR PAPERWORK, THEY'RE THE BETTER DEAL TO THE COMMUNITY.
BUT IT COULD BE, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING BEFORE, IT'S A SALES, IT'S A ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTE MEAN, A BLUE LINE.
WE'RE ULTIMATE WHAT I'M SAYING, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY EITHER.
SO WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS, IS THAT YES, IN THE CHART, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.
THE CHART'S MAKING IT LOOK LIKE THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, IT COULD VERY WELL BE BECAUSE ANY, ANYBODY WHO'S DEALT WITH DATA BEFORE, ESPECIALLY IN SALES, KNOWS THAT YOU CAN MAKE DATA APPLES AND ORANGES.
LOOK LIKE ANYTHING YOU WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE.
SO I'M NOT SAYING THEY DID OR DIDN'T THAT I AGREE.
UM, BUT THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT I WANNA OFFER AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON.
OR, OR IS ONE IS, AND I ALREADY ASKED THIS TO COUNCIL, AND I'M GONNA ASK THIS AGAIN OF STAFF OR COUNCIL REGARDS TO WHERE, WHO WE GO WITH AND WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY USING SPEED CAMERAS IN SCHOOL ZONES,
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WHAT DO YOU WISH YOU KNEW? AND AND I SAY SHARE THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING I DO IN MY OWN BUSINESS.WHAT DO YOU WISH YOU KNEW BEFORE GOING INTO THIS? YEAH, AND WE, AND THEY MAY BE NOTHING, IT WAS ALL FINE, BUT I KNOW THAT I, SITTING IN THIS SEAT CAN TELL YOU THAT OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, THERE WERE MANY TIMES WHERE I SAID, MAN, I WISH I'D KNOWN THAT THE FIRST MONTH I WAS ON COUNCIL, OR THE FIRST TIME I WAS ADMITTED, THIS IS WHAT I WOULD DO DIFFERENTLY.
I THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO MAKE, TAKE A MAJOR DECISION LIKE THIS AND AT LEAST ASK, HEY, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS.
WHAT DO, WHAT SHOULD WE LOOK FOR IN A CONTRACT? AND THEN OF COURSE, AND AND COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS WAS ALREADY, WE WERE ALREADY THINKING THE SAME THING.
IS THERE A QUOTA TO PAY OFF THE CAMERAS BY THE END OF SECOND YEAR? RIGHT.
THERE'S, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE FOR ULTIMATE NOT FOR BLUE LINE.
SO THERE'S NO QUOTA ACCORDING TO THE CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE MM-HMM.
IF THE CONTRACT IS COMPLETED FROM EITHER COMPANY, THERE'S NO EXPENDITURE FROM THE MUNICIPALITY, NO MATTER HOW MANY VIOLATIONS THERE ARE ACCORDING TO THE CONTRACTS THAT I'VE LOOKED AT.
I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT AS FAR AS BLUE BLUE LINE, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER ONE.
I THOUGHT ULTIMATE THAT THEY CRUNCHED THOSE NUMBERS.
I THOUGHT ULTIMATE SAYS 35 CONTRACT VERSUS IT'S, BUT IT ROLL.
SO WHATEVER'S NOT COVERED BY THE SIZE OF THE, THE SIZE OF THE LOCALITY AND THE TRAFFIC VOLUME AND SO ON, THEY, THEY MUST CRUNCH THOSE NUMBERS.
IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE OTHERWISE.
I, I I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS, SETTLE THIS DEBATE SO THAT WE CAN YEAH.
I, I, YOU KNOW THAT THIS PERSON HAS REACHED OUT TO US.
I THINK WE JUST OUGHT TO BRING 'EM, BRING 'EM IN, LET 'EM EXPLAIN THE SITUATION, THEIR, THEIR SPIEL.
AND, AND WE CAN HEAR IT FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH.
AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN THROW IT AT 'EM, FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW FLEXIBLE THEY ARE AND UH, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THIS THING.
CAN I JUST, NO, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
I JUST WANNA ADD TWO POINTS, AND I'M DONE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
FIRST IS I, I WANT, I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT SAID, YES, THEY WANNA PURSUE THIS EVERY LIKE BIT THAT WE DELAY.
WE'RE POSTPONING THIS AND POSTPONING THIS AND POSTPONING THIS.
SO DO WE REALLY CARE ABOUT THE PROBLEM THAT WE'VE SEEN IS A CURRENT ACTIVE ISSUE? AND THEN ALSO, UH, I'M, CAN WE NOT PUT IN ANOTHER AGENDA MEAN WE GONNA KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT? OR ARE WE GONNA DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? OR JUST, OR YEAH, I GET YOU'RE, I I THINK I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT AT WHAT POINT I, JUST TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE, AND I HATE TO PUT OTHER DEPARTMENTS ON THE SPOT, BUT IF PUBLIC WORKS CAME BEFORE ME, THEY SAID WE HAD TWO PEOPLE AND WE HAVE COOPERATIVE CONTRACTS AVAILABLE FOR BOTH.
BUT THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION.
I WOULD, AFTER DOING MY OWN DUE DILIGENCE, WHICH WE'VE DONE, I WOULD TAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
SO I WOULD JUST RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT WE DON'T PUT THIS ON ANOTHER WORK SESSION UNTIL WE'VE ASKED OTHER LOCALITIES AND THEN GET A MAJORITY CONSENSUS.
IF WE WANNA HEAR ULTIMATE COME IN AND SELL THEIR PITCH FROM THEIR SALES PERSON, NOT THEIR OWNER OR C E O.
MY THING IS, I GUESS, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE TRUST YOU'RE NOT GETTING OUTTA HERE.
OTHER PEOPLE TO COME IN HERE WITH WE DID.
AND SAY, OKAY, WE WANT THIS AND IT COST US MONEY.
I KNOW THE CHIEF HAS DONE HIS DUE DILIGENCE WITH THIS, BUT I KNOW HE, HE'S REVIEWED THEM ALL.
MY THING IS WE MOVE FORWARD MIGHT WITH BLUE LINE AND, AND I'LL FOLLOW UP ONE AND THIS IS IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ME, BUT I'M DONE.
IF COUNSEL WANTS TO TREAT THIS AS COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATION, THEN YOU PICK THE FIRM.
YOU PICK THE FIRM AND THEN YOU NEGOTIATE FROM THERE.
IF, IF COUNSEL WANTS TO DO BLUE LINE, THEN THAT'S COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATION.
YOU, YOU, SO WE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE GO BLUE LINE, BUT THEN WE NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT WITH THEM.
YOU BROUGHT YEAH, YOU PICK THE FIRM AND YOU NEGOTIATE.
AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME TO SPEAK TO US, WHAT, WHAT, 'CAUSE YOU SAID SALES REP, WHAT WAS HIS ROLE? OH, HE'S, HE'S IN SALES.
I THOUGHT HE WAS SO WE BASICALLY HEARD YEAH.
I THINK YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON THAT HASN'T SAID WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE SEEMS TO BE.
WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? UM, I AM FINE WITH THIS POINT BECAUSE SUFFOLK DID
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ULTIMATE OR TIMA OR WHATEVER THEY ARE.UM, I AM FINE WITH PROCEEDING WITH BLUE LAWN AND NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED THROUGH A COUPLE OF CONTRACTS FROM, FROM, AND LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS.
UH, JUST AS LONG AS WE, AGAIN, NEGOTIATE THE POINTS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO US.
AND SO YES, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON WITH BLUE LINE.
EVERYBODY SEEMS TO CAN WHAT, BEFORE WE TAKE IT OFF OF ANOTHER AGENDA AT A FUTURE REGULAR MEETING.
CAN I ADD THAT SPEAKING WITH GEORGE, IF IT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, UNDER CONSENT AGENDA ITEM LIKE IT WAS LAST TIME AND I REMOVED IT, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE HAVE LOCKED IN ANYTHING THAT ALLOWS 'EM TO BEGIN THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS.
SO EVERYBODY'S CLEAR, PUTTING IN ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WASN'T US PROCEEDING WITH BLUE LINE.
BUT I, BUT I CAN'T, I I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
UM, WHO ELSE IS NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? AM I THE ONLY GUY? SO ULTIMATE'S NOT COMING? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? WELL, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE, WELL, I DON'T LIKE ULTIMATE 'CAUSE IT WAS MONEY.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A SET AMOUNT WANTS.
'CAUSE WE, WHAT NEGOTIATED WITH HIM? WELL, I MEAN THIS, SO YOU WANTED TO OFFER, SO, OR GEORGE, JOE, GEORGE MOVING.
THIS MIGHT BE OUTTA MY LANE, BUT, UH, IF, IF WE'RE GONNA START GOING TO OTHER CONTRACTS, THERE MIGHT BE SIX OTHER CONTRACTS OUT THERE.
YOU'RE SAYING IF WE WENT TO OTHER COMPANIES, IF WE, IF, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO START LOOKING AT OTHER CONTRACTS, MY ADVICE IS DO AN RF.
IF YOU OPENED UP THE DOOR TO ONE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO OPEN IT UP TOMORROW.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE MOVE FORWARD BLUE LINE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONSENSUS, NOT UNANIMOUS, BUT THE CONSENSUS IS TO MOVE FORWARD.
BLUE LINE, IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME.
THERE'S CLEARLY NO EXPEDIENCE NECESSARY IN THIS PROCESS TO GET THIS IN PLACE.
SO, UH, WHY NOT HEAR THEIR SALES PITCH AS WELL.
UM, BUT I IT'S STILL GONNA BE TWO.
BUT I MEAN, I THOUGHT THAT THE APPETITE OF THIS COUNCIL WAS THAT THIS WAS AN ISSUE.
WHEN DID THIS FIRST, IT CAME UP DURING APPLE BLOSSOM LAST SCHOOL YEAR.
AT THIS POINT, IT'LL BE INITIATED FOR THE 24 25 SCHOOL YEAR.
SO IF WE'RE CLEARLY NOT READY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, JOE, YOU CAN HAVE THE FLOOR.
SO WE CAN GO OUT FOR AN R F P.
WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WHAT I NEED TO KNOW IS HOW MUCH COUNSEL WANTS TO BE INVOLVED IN THE R F P PROCESS.
FOR ME PERSONALLY, WE ACTUALLY COME BACK AND STILL THE CHIEF COULD STILL HAVE THE SAME RECOMMENDATION.
I MEAN, HE HAS LOOKED AT, WELL, OKAY.
SO THEN THAT SEEMS LIKE A WASTE OF TIME.
THAT PUTS IT INTO PERSPECTIVE.
SO I'M GONNA GO BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING BEFORE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS A CONSENSUS, NOT A, NOT A UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS.
THERE IS A CONSENSUS ON COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BLUE LINE, BUT THERE IS ALSO A CONSENSUS AMONG COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONTRACT INCLUDES ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE CONCERNS AND THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GONNA WORK FOR US.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE THE SAFETY ISSUE IS OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT WE ALSO ANSWER TO THE CITIZENS, AND WE DON'T WANNA GET INVOLVED IN A CONTRACT THAT A YEAR DOWN THE ROAD, 'CAUSE THIS, THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE THE, THIS IS THE FEEDBACK I'M GETTING FROM PEOPLE AND EVEN PEOPLE THAT WERE IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT PEOPLE JUMPED IN AND DIDN'T REALIZE THIS WAS THIS AND THIS WAS THAT.
SO AS LONG AS WE'RE GONNA KNOW WHAT'S IN OUR CONTRACT, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
I WILL ASK THOUGH, AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS A BAD ASK, I DON'T THINK IT'S UNFAIR.
I I, WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS CONTRACT TO ASK OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHAT YOU WISH YOU KNEW I AGREEMENT WITH YOU FOR THAT.
I THINK THAT'S, I'M NOT SAYING TO SLOW DOWN.
I'M NOT SAYING I WANTED TO TAKE THREE MONTHS SIMULTANEOUSLY.
AND IF, AND IF YOU DON'T, DON'T MIND.
I THINK STAFF OR US, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE, AND IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE WITH BLUE LINE.
IT COULD BE ANY JURISDICTION THAT DID SPEED CAMERAS IN SCHOOL ZONES.
WHAT DO YOU WISH YOU KNEW? SO I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE WITH BLUE LINE IF THAT'S WHO WE'RE GOING TO NO, NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT FOR GEORGE TO DO THE STUFF.
WE, WE, IF WE NEED TO GO WITH ONE, WITH THE CONTRACT HE'S GOT RIGHT.
WAS IT BRIDGEWATER? BRIDGEWATER WAS ONE OF BLUE LINE'S CUSTOMERS THAT HAS BLUE LINE CUSTOMERS.
I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT WAS BRIDGEWATER.
I WAS SAYING WOODBRIDGE AND WE'RE DONE WRONG.
LET'S JUST CHECK WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS AND SEE WHAT THEY'VE GOT.
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HE'LL BE FINISHED.BUT WHAT THE END OF THE MONTH, UH, SO ME AND GEORGE WERE JUST TALKING, THE THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT THIS WOULD BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ON AUGUST 28TH, WHICH BASICALLY WOULD DIRECT GEORGE TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH BLUE LINE.
AND THEN THE THOUGHT WOULD BE WE'D COME BACK AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER TO ACTUALLY RATIFY THAT CONTRACT ONCE GEORGE DID HIS DUE DILIGENCE.
AND THAT WOULD GIVE US THE WORK SESSION.
SORRY, IT WILL BE BACK ON AN AGENDA.
SORRY TO WHOMEVER EXACTLY IN SEPTEMBER WE COULD PUT IT BACK ON THE WORK SESSION TO MAKING SURE THAT SOME OF THE ITEMS ARE IN THERE ARE COVERED.
SO, AND EVERYONE WILL HAVE A COPY OF, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT ASKING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BLUE LINE.
WHAT I'M, I, MAYBE I'M NOT MAKING MYSELF CLEAR.
I'M NOT SAYING JUST BLUE LINE.
I'M SAYING ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA THAT ARE USING THIS CODE TO BE ABLE TO USE SCHOOL CAMERAS AND, AND I MEAN SPEED CAMERAS IN SCHOOL ZONES.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU WISH YOU KNEW? WHAT MIGHT YOU HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY? BECAUSE WHAT THEY, THEY MIGHT KNOW SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
AND THEN IT MAY COULD, MAYBE IT'S JUST COUNCIL TRIES TO DO IT AND MAYBE SOME STAFF TRIES TO DO IT.
I'D HAVE TO ACTUALLY, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONTACT V M L AND JUST ASK THEM WHO'S USING IT AND CONTACT THEIR, YOU KNOW, TOWN MANAGER OR MAYOR OR WHATEVER AND SAY, YOU KNOW, HOW'S IT GOING? WHAT DID YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WISH YOU DID DIFFERENTLY? THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, WE, THAT THAT'S REALLY WHAT HAPPENS AT V M L AND STUFF.
IN FACT, IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF THAT WAS A TOPIC AT V M L.
SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AUGUST 28TH IS WHERE WE WILL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TO MOVE FORWARD TO ALLOW GEORGE TO START NEGOTIATING CONTRACT WITH BLUE LINE.
SO THAT PART WE'RE DONE RIGHT.
ARE YOU OKAY FOREVER HOLD YOUR FEES.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU, IT'S GONNA TAKE THOUSAND TICKETS.
WHAT BRUCE IS SAYING THOUGH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M, I UNDERSTOOD WHAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HOLD UP THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED WITH BILL COUNTY HAS ALREADY DONE THAT, BUT WE DON'T WANT FOUR YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT UNDERPINS THE COOPERATIVE PROCUREMENT CONCEPT.
SO WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT CONTRACT? NO.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, WE CAN, WE CAN TAILOR IT.
I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN TAILOR IT TO THE TOWNS.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE CAN TAILOR IT.
I THINK, I THINK COUNCIL REPPORT IS USING THAT TERMINOLOGY, BUT REALLY WHAT HE MEANS IS NEGOTIATING THAT CONTRACT.
YOU'RE JUST CALLING IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I'M THREE B I AM THREE B FRONT ROYAL E D A PROPOSED M O U THAT DICTATES, UH, SUPPORT SERVICES AND THAT IS MR. WALTZ.
UM, JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR OF FREEDOM BOARD TO GET IT BACK UP AND RUNNING.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, AFTER CONSULTING WITH THE BOARD AND CONSULTING WITH, UH, MR. SONNET, UH, RECOGNIZING THE DIFFERENCES IN THE BYLAWS WITH OUR CHAPTER 16 THAT SPELLS OUT THE INDUSTRIAL AUTHORITY, UM, WHAT IT APPEARS IS THE BYLAWS WERE EMBEDDED WITH SUPPORT SERVICES THAT THE TOWN SHOULD PROVIDE.
AND IN REALITY, THAT SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE BYLAWS.
AND AFTER TALKING WITH MR. SONNET, IT'S MY BELIEF THAT WE NEED AN M O U BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE FRIDA THAT WILL DICTATE WHAT THE TOWN WILL SUPPORT WITH FRIDA SUCH AS MANAGEMENT, UM, DOING CLERKING, UM, FINANCIAL LEGAL.
AND SO I THINK THAT IS THE BASIS AND THAT WILL BE MY RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNSEL MOVING FORWARD, IS TO ESTABLISH AN M O U, WHICH WILL DICTATE HOW THIS RELATIONSHIP WORKS.
THANK YOU MR. AND I WILL SAY FOR THOSE OF US THAT WERE HERE AT THE TIME, 'CAUSE UM, COUNCILMAN MORRIS AND I, I WILL TELL YOU ALL THAT THAT ACTUALLY WAS A HUGE STONE.
THAT PART WAS A, NOT A STUMBLING BLOCK, BUT WE ESTABLISHED IT.
WE HAD BYLAWS AND THEN IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, KINDA LIKE WHAT I JUST SAID BEFORE.
IT WAS LIKE AFTER WE DID IT, WE WERE LIKE, WAIT A SECOND, NOBODY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS.
NOBODY THOUGHT ABOUT WHO'S GONNA TAKE MINUTES AND WHO'S GONNA SUPPORT THEM LEGALLY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE PROVIDE THE STARTUP MONEY.
SO YOU ARE GONNA COME BACK TO US WITH THAT? WELL, I WANTED TO SEE IF COUNSEL WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO PURSUE THIS, BUT I WANTED TO FIND OUT WHAT COUNCIL'S PULSE WAS.
I'D COME BACK, UH, WITH AN M O U, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS HEADED DOWN THE RIGHT PATH.
AND IS FRITO AWARE THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK ON THIS? YES.
THE ONLY REASON I ASK IS 'CAUSE WE HAD A JOINT MEETING THAT GOT A LITTLE BIT CONTENTIOUS BECAUSE I JUST FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT GOT UP AND RUNNING BEFORE I CAME ON COUNCIL.
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GET IT FULLY ESTABLISHED, I GUESS WHEN I CAME ONTO COUNCIL.UM, AND THEY WERE LIKE, OKAY, WELL WE NEED, IT WASN'T GEORGE AT THE TIME, OUR ATTORNEY AT THE TIME, THEY WERE LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WE NEED YOUR ATTORNEY.
AND I WAS LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, IT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
AND THEN THEY WERE LIKE, WE NEED TINA OR SOMEBODY TO COME TAKE MINUTES.
AND SO YEAH, IT WAS A HUGE GRAY AREA.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEY KNEW AS WELL BECAUSE RIGHT.
THERE WAS A POINT OF CONTENTION AT ONE POINT.
THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION MOVING FORWARD.
AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER, BUT LIKE WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT, BUT THE LEGAL PART OF THAT WAS BECAUSE, UM, PART OF THAT WAS BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THAT, SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, SOME COMPANY COMES AND FRIDA ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COMING TO TOWN AND SO, AND THERE AND THE LEGAL FOR FRIDA WAS ADVISING THEM ON THAT.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO GIVE US ANY INFORMATION.
WELL, THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF, IT'S TOUGH BECAUSE THE TOWN ATTORNEY ACTUALLY ACTUALLY WORKS FOR COUNSEL.
SO THEN IT PUTS THEM IN A POSITION WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY KEEPING INFORMATION FROM COUNSEL BECAUSE THEY'RE KEEPING THE INFORMATION FOR FREDA.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE, THAT'S WHERE THE GLITCH WENT.
GEORGE KNOWS YOU WERE ACTUALLY HERE AT THAT POINT IN THE, IN THE OFFICE.
SO ANYWAY, I CAN ADDRESS THAT VERY QUICKLY.
SO IF THE TOWN ATTORNEY IS ALSO GONNA BE THE ATTORNEY FOR FRIDA, THAT'S POSSIBLE.
BOTH PARTIES HAVE TO CONSENT MM-HMM.
AND IF THERE'S A CONFLICT, IF A CONFLICT ARISES, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, YOU PICK THE TOWN, I'M TAKING THE TOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE AT LEG.
AND, AND SO ON THAT ISSUE, FRIDA WOULD HAVE TO GO GET OTHER COUNSEL.
THAT'S, I KIND OF THINK THAT IT WAS THE SAME WITH RE ATTORNEY WHAT WE WANTED TO HAVE BEFORE, BUT WE COULDN'T GET ANYBODY.
WE COULDN'T GET THAT, WE COULDN'T GET OTHERS TO GO WITH THAT.
ALRIGHT, SO MR. WELTZ, YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTION FOR THAT, RIGHT? THANK YOU.
OKAY, NEXT UP IS, UM, ITEM FOUR A, WHICH IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO PAINT TWO MURALS LARGER THAN 60 SQUARE FEET, UM, AT 1314 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE.
AND SO MS. KY IS GOING TO TALK TO US ABOUT THAT, WHICH I THINK WE'RE ALL A LITTLE FAMILIAR WITH, BUT IT'S GOOD TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION AND IT'S ACTUALLY WAY BIGGER THAN IT'S 210 AND FOUR 50.
I'LL TELL YOU WHERE I'M STANDING ON IT.
SO YOU JUST, THERE'S TWO, IT SHOULD SOUND HERE.
SO FOR THIS APPLICATION, THE, UM, APPLICANT PURCHASED THE PROPERTY BACK IN APRIL.
UM, THEY STARTED WORKING WITH OUR DEPARTMENT THEN ON THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE.
UH, THE IDEA OF A MURAL CAME ABOUT, UM, BUT IT WASN'T UNTIL JULY THAT, UH, THE ACTUAL, UM, SUBMISSION OCCURRED.
SO, UM, WITH THIS, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, BUSINESS NAME IS CALLED FIRST RESPONSE CHIMNEY SUITE, UM, PER OUR SIGN ORDINANCE, UH, ANY SIGN, IT IS A RECOUNT SIGN AS ANY DEVICE EMPLOYEE LETTERS, WORDS, SYMBOLS, ET CETERA, USER INTENDED TO ATTRACT THE ATTENTION OF THE PUBLIC FROM THE STREET SIDEWALKS OR THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, ANY ARTISTIC MURAL PER OUR DEFINITION OF A SIGN OR ANY ARTISTIC MURAL FALLS UNDER OUR DEFINITION OF A SIGN.
UM, AND THEN THE, UH, CHAPTER 1 75, 1 0 6 B TO E THREE A SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT ARTISTIC MURALS THAT THEY ARE OVER 60 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, FROM COUNCIL.
SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE.
BECAUSE THESE MURALS, UM, ARE LARGER THAN 60 SQUARE FEET.
THEY, THEY, THEY NEED PERMISSION.
I CAN'T GRANT THIS ADMINISTRATIVELY.
THE FIRST ONE IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND THIS MURAL IS PROPOSED TO BE 1,810 SQUARE FEET.
SO THIS IS, AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN, UM, YOU'RE STARTING TO COME AROUND THE CORNER.
THIS IS THE FIRST MURAL WHICH CORNER, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT AMBER WERE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WHEN YOU'RE COMING FROM THE OLD PIZZA, HU I'M GONNA PIZZA HUT COMING FROM THE OLD PIZZA THIS WOULD FACE, THIS WOULD BE, THIS WOULD BE FACING
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THE DIRECTION WHERE THE OLD PIZZA WAS.AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE WOULD BE FACING ARBY'S.
I'M A LANDMARK GIRL IS PROPOSED TO BE 400 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND AT THIS POINT, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL BE SUBMITTING, UH, AN ADDITIONAL ZONING PERMIT, AND THAT'S THE PERMISSION FOR THE SIGN ITSELF.
UM, THIS IS JUST THE PERMISSION FROM COUNSEL FOR THIS SIGN TO BE LARGER THAN 60 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN YOU SAID, DID THE STAFF RECOMMEND THAT? WE DO.
SO STAFF, I, I HAVE NO WAY OF NOT RECOMMENDING THAT.
SHE, UM, SO DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? UM, THIS ALSO HAS TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO IT'LL GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION ON WEDNESDAY.
THEY'LL HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN IT'LL COME TO YOU ON THE 28TH.
IS THERE A PUBLIC, SO THE PUBLIC HEARING'S AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IS THERE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR US TOO? YES.
ON THE 28TH, TYPICALLY THERE'S SPACED OUT, SO TYPICALLY THIS MONTH WE WOULD DO PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN NEXT MONTH.
BUT, BUT IN INTEREST OF TIME, I KNOW THE APPLICANT'S, UM, UM, LOOKING FOR A DATE, UM, WHAT WE WOULD BE VOTING ON ON AUGUST, AUGUST 28TH IS ALLOWING THEM TO BE LARGER THAN 60 FEET.
SO THEN DOES HE THEN HAVE TO COME IN SEPTEMBER TO GET THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT? NO.
SO AT THAT POINT, MY OFFICE ISSUES THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PERMIT.
NOW, IS IT GONNA BE FOR THIS SPECIFIC PURCHASE IS THIS, IT IS FOR THIS RENDERING.
AND IT HAS TO BE THAT BRANDY YES.
I MEAN, SHE SPOKE IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND YOU CAN PUT A PROVISION IN THERE THAT THEY CAN MAKE.
I GUESS YOU CAN THINK YOU MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND
FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT WHAT'S EXACTLY WHAT OUR CLOSEST CONVENIENCE ONE GONNA BE THERE.
AND THIS IS IN THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR OF TOWN ALSO.
SO TYPICALLY WE, WE REQUEST THE REGULATE THAT, YOU KNOW, COLORS BE A LITTLE MORE MUTED AND TONE, BUT LIKE THE VAPE SHOP COLORS THAT ARE ENTRANCE FLOOR DOOR.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE, I PUT IN NEON TO BRING HIM INTO COMPLIANCE, THE HOSE THAT THEY HAVE THERE.
THAT'S THE COLOR FIRE HOSE NOW.
UM, AND HE IS DOING IT IN, UH, IN TALKING TO HIM.
I'VE KNOWN THAT THIS BOY SINCE HE WAS 16 YEARS OLD AND JOINED HIS FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, HE'S MAINLY KIND OF, UH, IN HONOR, I GUESS, OF FIRE RESCUE PEOPLE.
AND THE ONE THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HELMET THAT'S ON THE MM-HMM.
AT 27 AND 51 98, THAT WAS, UH, A FIREFIGHTER, I THINK WHERE HE WORKED.
UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE PASSED AWAY OR IT WAS D I AND WE'VE GOT SOME HERE THAT HE'S, HE'S DOING IT IN HONOR OF TOO.
BUT JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, THE MURALS THAT ARE LIKE ON MAIN STREET, ON THE SIDES OF THOSE BUILDINGS, DO THOSE HAVE, HAVE SPECIAL USE PERMITS AS WELL? THEY'RE REGULATED THROUGH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO THOSE ARE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THROUGH THE BOARD MARKED ARCHITE.
SEE, THIS IS THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'VE HAD OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THOSE WERE ALSO PART OF THE, UM, C C D B G GRANT WHERE IT, WE RIGHT.
WE GOT MONEY TO PAY FOR THOSE.
BUT THEY ALSO HAD TO, THEY, THEY ALSO, THERE WAS A PROCESS THEY HAD TO PROPOSE WHAT MURALS THEY WOULD DO, LIKE ARTISTS.
SOME OF THOSE ACTUALLY, WELL, ROB MCDOUGALL JUST CAME IN ONE ON HIS HISTORIC BUILDING ON MAIN STREET HIMSELF WITHOUT A GRANT AND WITHOUT, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT FOR THE C D B G, THEY, THERE WAS A COMMITTEE, A MURALS COMMITTEE, AND THEN THEY, THE ARTIST, THEY CAME IN AND THEY SELECTED WHICH ARTIST IN WHICH MURAL.
JUST, I WAS JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, I I, I'M DEFINITELY, YEAH, WE JUST, WE HAD TWO POP UP IN THE LAST MONTH THAT PRIVATE CITIZENS THAT OWNED THEIR BUILDINGS.
BUT ONE, LISTEN, WE HAVE A DILAPIDATED BLIGHTED BUILDING PROBLEM IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BEAUTIFY IT AND MM-HMM.
WELL, THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO GET AT SORT OF ROUNDABOUT WAY, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE AN APPETITE TO LATER MAYBE RECONSIDER YES.
THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS NUANCE OF WHETHER IT'S A SIGN OR A MURAL AND WHAT KIND OF PROCESS PEOPLE HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
THAT, THAT'S MY QUESTION IS ONCE YOU GO DOWN THIS ROAD, YOU'VE OPENED IT UP FOR, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE HARD TO DENY SOMEONE ELSE THAT MIGHT WANT TO PUT A MARIEL OFF THAT THAT IS STILL IN SOME KIND
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OF GOOD TASTE.BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MAKING ANOTHER TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S IN GOOD TASTE.
WELL, YOU CAN BE YOUR, HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE THING I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S ALL.
BUT THIS IS, THIS IS THE OVER TREND THING I SAY AND THAT, AND THAT, THAT SOUNDS COUNTERINTUITIVE TO THAT, BUT IS A REASON WHY IT'S CALLED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
IT'S, IT CAN BE A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
SO EACH, EACH MURAL PRESENT PRESENTED CAN HAVE ITS OWN.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BRUCE.
YOU THINK THAT'S VERY, THAT THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE, THAT'S OUR CADENCE.
I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IF THEY WANTED TO PUT IT, IF THEY WANTED TO PUT LAW ENFORCEMENT UP THERE, CAN I SPRAY PAINTED MURAL IN MY HOUSE? MM-HMM.
IT, IT'S THE SAME AS THE SHORT TERM RENTAL THING.
BECAUSE I LIVE IN A VERY OLD ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD AND I CAN GO OUT THERE WITH A CAN OF SPRAY PAINT AND PUT ANYTHING I ON THE SIDE OF MY HOUSE AND NOBODY CAN REGULATE THAT.
AND FOR ME, AT WHAT POINT DO WE DICTATE WHAT ART IS TASTEFUL? I MEAN, THERE'S SOME ART THAT I DON'T THE ISSUE HERE, THE ORDINANCE, WHO AM I THE ISSUE HERE? AND I THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE THE ORDINANCE TO BE MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY.
SO BEFORE, BUT YEAH, I KNOW GEORGE IS RAISING HIS HAND AND I WAS GOING TO SAY BEFORE GEORGE SAID THAT ABOUT LIKE, CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT WORK SESSION AND WE CAN PUT IT ON THERE IF PEOPLE WANT TO, WE CAN MOVE ON.
THIS, OKAY, THIS IS COMMERCIAL SPEECH.
THIS IS NOT, I CAN HAVE A BUSINESS RIGHT OUT OF MY HOUSE.
SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT UNDERPINS IT.
UM, AS FAR AS SIGN ORDINANCE, YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENT AND YOU HAVE PRIVATE SPEECH OR FREE SPEECH, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT.
UM, THE ISSUE HERE IS JUST SIZE.
BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED THAT IT'S A SIGN BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND CONSULTATION WITH TOWN ATTORNEY.
SO IT IT'S THE SIZE AND, UH, BUT THE HEALTH SAFETY WELFARE PART OF THIS IS IT, IT DIVERTS ATTENTION.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE HAVE, THAT'S WHY REGULATION IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT DISTRACTS MOTORISTS AND THAT'S WHAT BUSINESSES WANT.
THEY WANT MOTORISTS AND PASSERS BY TO SEE THE BUSINESS.
BUT THAT'S WHY THE SIZE IS REGULATED SO THAT IT'S MADE, IT'S UNDER CONTROL.
SO IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH PUTTING THIS ON THE 20 EIGHTH'S AGENDA? I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION.
CAN I SEE WHAT COULD YOU SHOW ME LIKE A SQUARE OF THAT, WHAT THE REGULATION SIZE WOULD BE? BECAUSE IT'S NO SURPRISE I'M FOR LESS REGULATION.
SO, UH, IF THAT WAS THE WHOLE ALRIGHT, THAT'S TO SCALE.
HOW BIG COULD IT HAVE BEEN BY REGULATION SQUARE FEET? SO, RIGHT.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW IT'S WHAT, 60 SQUARE FEET? RIGHT? WHERE IS HELMET IS? I WAS GONNA SAY JUST THE HELMET.
IT CAN BE WHERE HIS HELMET IS WOULD GO ROUGHLY.
YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT AROUND THAT, AROUND THIS QUARTER.
HERE'S OVERED ROYAL AVENUE ON THE SIDE OF GANGS BUILDING WHERE THOSE WERE LIKE, THAT'S ABOUT, THAT'S REALLY ABOUT THE SIZE OF WHAT THOSE SIGNS WOULD'VE BEEN.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT, GO AHEAD.
I I JUST WANNA KNOW IF COUNSEL WANTS TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE, YOU NOTICE ALL THE SIGNS MEET THE REGULATION OR, OR CLOSE.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN PROMOTING THEIR BUSINESS THOUGH.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE BEING A GREEDY COMMERCIAL MOTELS.
YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THE, THE, IT SENDS A GREAT MESSAGE.
I DON'T LIKE THE ART, BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
EVERYBODY'S GOT THEIR OPINION ON THAT.
HOW MUCH YOU'RE GONNA REGULATE.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ALSO, THIS IS NOT AN EASY ONE.
WE DO HAVE THAT HELP THAT, UH, THAT SAFETY REGULATION WAS ADOPTED FOR A VERY SPECIFIC REASON.
BUT ZONING, YOU'RE TRYING TO, YOU'RE JUST KIND OF STOPPING MY, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS.
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TODAY, BUT IT'S BEAUTIFICATION.I, I LIKE, I DON'T LIKE THE CARTOON AS HOW MANY UGLY BUILDINGS DO WE HAVE SITTING AROUND THAT I WOULD RATHER SOMEBODY PAINT A MURAL ON THE SIDE OF JOE WANTED TO SPEAK.
I'M READY TO PUT IT ON AN AGENDA AND VOTE.
WELL, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE PC'S HOLDING PUBLIC HEARING ON WEDNESDAY, WE'VE ALREADY ADVERTISED FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 28TH.
SO IF COUNSEL DESIRE, IT WILL BE ON THE, THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND SPEAK.
I WAS GONNA SAY TOO, AND CLARIFY ME IF I'M WRONG, LAUREN, THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND ANY SPECIAL USE PERMIT CAN BE REVOKED.
I I'M JUST SAYING, SO WE, WE CAN GO WITH THIS IF THREE YEARS FROM NOW CHIEF SAYS THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE DISTRACTED BY THAT SIGN THAT WE CAN REVISIT IF THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE'S CONCERNS ARE.
A BUNCH OF, WE'RE TINA ON THE, THE AGENDA.
THE NEXT THING IS ITEM FIVE A, THE ELECTRIC COST OF SERVICE ANALYSIS AND RATE STUDY.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IS MR. WILSON.
THAT MAKES ME THINK OF MR. WILSON.
ELECTRIC COST OF SERVICE STUDY.
SO, UH, THE TOWN ISSUED AN R F P, UH, TO, UH, HAVE CONSULTANTS, UH, RESPOND TO IT FOR ELECTRIC COST OF SERVICE STUDY.
UH, THIS WOULD, UH, HAVE A CONSULTING FIRM COME IN AND REVIEW OUR RATES FOR ELECTRIC, UH, UM, MAINLY THE, UH, THE DEMAND CALCULATIONS FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL DEMAND, UH, AND IMPLEMENT NET METERING FOR SOLAR.
WE WANNA HAVE AN ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE SOLAR AND ALSO THE, UH, CONNECTION FEES FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE LAST TIME WE REVIEWED OUR, UH, RATES WAS IN 2018, UH, TO THIS CAPACITY AT LEAST.
AND IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD INDUSTRY PRACTICE OR A GOOD STANDARD PRACTICE TO REVIEW THEM ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS.
UH, WE, UM, HAD BUDGETED FOR THIS IN OUR, UH, FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO.
SORRY, UP TO ANYBODY WITH HAND.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME ONE OF THESE WAS DONE? YOU MIGHT HAVE JUST SAID IT.
I'M, I'M, I TOLD YOU IT'S STILL A LONG DAY.
YEAH, THAT WAS RIGHT BEFORE IT.
I WILL BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS NOW, IT'LL BE THE TIME.
IF NOT, THAT WILL BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THE NEXT STEP IS GONNA BE THE PURCHASE OF A STANDBY GENERATOR FOR THE, OR PARDON MS. CAMPBELL.
IT'S NOT QUITE AS APPEALING AS MR. WILSON
THERE'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO OLD SHOWS.
SO, UH, ITEM FIVE B IS FOR THE PURCHASE OF A STANDBY GENERATOR FOR THE ENERGY SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE USE COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING, THE RESOURCE WELL FOR ASSET PURCHASING METHOD, THE PROCUREMENT METHOD.
UM, THE FUNDS OF $48,000 HAVE BEEN, ARE AVAILABLE AND ARE ON PURCHASE ORDER.
FACILITY GENERATOR STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVING THE AWARD AS PRESENTED AND PLACED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR THE 28TH.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT IN PARTICULAR? SHORT AND SWEET.
YOU HAD TO WAIT ALL THAT LONG TO STAY.
I SAW BY TONIGHT AND I SAID KNOCK.
DO WE HAVE ONE MORE GOOD DEAL.
SO THIS IS THE BED FOR WATER CHEMICAL WASTEWATER CHEMICALS FOR, UH, TYPICAL YEAR 24.
UH, WE GOT, UM, EIGHT RESPONSES BACK TO THAT REQUEST.
I MEAN, I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOOD.
YEAH, SO WE JUST REQUEST THAT, UH, COUNSEL APPROVES THE FOUR RESPONSES THAT ARE LISTED THERE FROM FIXED PRICING.
UM, BEEN BUDGETED FOR YEAR 24.
SO, SO, SO THEY, THEY EACH DID IT INDIVIDUALLY, BUT IT'S BY CATEGORY.
SO WE'LL USE THIS UNIVAR FOR 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 OF THE THINGS.
I, AT FIRST I THOUGHT, DO YOU LOOK AT THAT AND YOU SAY, OKAY, THEY'VE
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GOT FIVE OUT OF THE EIGHT ITEMS, SO WE'LL GO WITH THAT COMPANY FOR EVERYTHING.BUT I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU CAN INDIVID, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, THEY'RE NOT ALL, I JUST FOUND, I FOUND SOME OF THAT INTERESTING THAT THEY WERE SO VASTLY DIFFERENT.
LIKE TWO 40 A GALLON VERSUS 3 29 A GALLON.
THAT'S KIND OF BIG DIFFERENCE.
SO THIS WASN'T A COMPETITIVE BID.
THIS WAS BIDDING OFF WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
OH, THIS WAS, THIS WAS COMPETITIVE.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE EIGHT DIFFERENT AND SO EACH ONE OF THOSE AWARDS, YOU GUYS EVALUATED THE REQUIREMENTS AND THAT'S WHY IT CAME OUT THE WAY IT DID.
AND WE WENT OFF OF THE, THE LOWEST ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE PRICE FOR EACH OF THE CATEGORIES.
I WOULD IMAGINE WITH CHEM, NOT EASIER, BUT WITH CHEMICALS.
'CAUSE YOU CAN BUY THEM AS THIS CHEMICAL.
THIS CHEMICAL, IT'S NOT AS EASY AS YOU WOULD THINK.
I JUST MEANT IT WASN'T THE SAME AS SPEAKING.
NOT TO BRING UP THAT WORD AGAIN.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR EFFORT.
$87 FOR WHATEVER THAT IS AT DEEPAK 2020, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET A VARIANCE OF 10 TO 15% AND THAT ADDS UP TO SOME REAL MONEY, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT CERTAINLY WOULD BECAUSE WE'RE ABSOLUTELY DOING SO MUCH.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR DUE DILIGENCE TO FIND, PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE, OTHER LOCALITIES PIGGYBACK OFF OF OURS.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THIS BID.
LOOK AT I'LL YOU, THIS IS A HARD BID TO DO.
WHICH THEY CALL COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST INTERESTING THAT SOME OF THESE WERE NO BIDS, YOU KNOW, ON HERE.
WELL MAYBE THEY DON'T SUPPLY THOSE MATERIAL MATERIAL.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE THEM AVAILABLE.
THAT COMPANY'S THE ONLY ONE THAT EVEN HAD A BID FOR IT.
SO YOU HAVE TO WELL THE GOOD THING IS THIS SHOWS YOU NEXT YEAR OR ON RECORD QUICK LANCE THAT SAID, DO WE KNOW WHAT OUTFIT FOR SUPPLIES? WHAT, WHAT FOR A FUTURE REFERENCE, DO YOU HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY WE DO IT EVERY YEAR.
UH, WE TRIED TO DO IT FOR MULTIPLE YEARS.
IT DIDN'T WORK OUT WELL FOR US.
UM, FOR MULTIPLE REASONS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY CHANGES IN THE MARKET.
UH, SO WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE WE SEND IT OUT EVERY YEAR AND OTHER LOCALITIES ACTUALLY CALL TO REMIND US TO MAKE SURE WE SEND IT OUT.
NO, BECAUSE WE'RE USING OTHER COUNTY'S COOPERATIVE CONTRACTS.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I DIDN'T SAY THAT IN FRONT OF THE AUDITOR ABOUT COFFEE.
SO IS EVERYBODY GO WITH PUTTING THAT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? YEP.
SO OUR LAST ITEM FOR THE NIGHT IS OUR CLOSED MEETING.
WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE THE WINNER OF THE READING OF THE MOTION? 'CAUSE THERE ARE FOUR ITEMS. TAKE A DEEP DIVE.
TAKE TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND UH, GO AHEAD.
THE APPOINTMENT CONSIDERATION MOTION, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE IN A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 AND 2.2 DASH 3 7 2 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE.
ONE PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING AND RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY THE CLERK OF COUNSEL.
AND TWO, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A THREE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE OR OF THE DISPOSITION OF PUBLICLY HELD REAL PROPERTY WHERE DISCUSSION IN AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY, SPECIFICALLY PORTIONS OF NORTH STREET ADJACENT UNIMPROVED ALLEYWAY.
AND THREE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH THREE SEVEN A EIGHT OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL CON COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL.
MORE SPECIFICALLY SWAN FARM HEP A PROPOSED PROPER.
AND FOUR, PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.27 A SEVEN OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ON BRIEFINGS BY STAFF MEMBERS OR CONSULTANTS PERTAINING TO ACTUAL OR PROBABLE LITIGATION OR SUCH CONSULTATION OR BRIEFING IN AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEGOTIATION OR LITIGATING POSTURE OF THE PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY, E D A ET ALL AND FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY, E D A VERSUS TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
SO WE ARE OFFICIALLY NOW ENCLOSED.
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YES.