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SHOULD BE READY.[Board of Architectural Review on August 8, 2023.]
OKIE DOKIE.UH, CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW FOR TUESDAY, AUGUST 8TH.
CATHERINE SNYDER IS ABSENT AND DEWEY VAUGHN IS ABSENT.
UM,
IT WAS FROM THE LAST THREE, I THINK.
UM, IT WAS, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT TO GO OVER, BUT IT WAS, I THINK IT LOOKED OKAY.
SO IF WE, CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? I'LL SECOND OUT.
UM, NOW WE'VE GOT, UM, JOHN'S GONNA GIVE US A, AN OVERVIEW OF OUR APPLICATIONS FOR THIS EVENING.
I THINK WE SHOULD START WITH, UH, 4 21 FOR JUNE 4 21.
SO, UH, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T, WE CAN START OFF AT 2 37.
LET ME SCROLL DOWN AND GET THE OTHER ONE READY.
THAT'S, UH, 2 0 7 CLOUD STREET.
THAT'S A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
UH, FOR REVIEW IS LOCATED 2 0 7 CLOUD STREET NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF CLOUD STREET IN EAST STONEWALL DRIVE.
UH, BASICALLY WITH THE APPLICATION SUMMARY, THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING METAL ROOF WAS COMPLETED AND THE INSTALLATION OF THE PLYWOOD DECKING HAD STARTED PRIOR TO OBTAINING ANY PERMITS FROM THE TOWN IN WARREN COUNTY BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
UH, THE PLYWOOD DECKING IS NOW COMPLETE ON THE ENTIRE ROOF SYSTEM, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF A ROOF UNDERLAYMENT IN YOUR PACKET.
IT WAS A STAFF REPORT, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE, THIS APPLICATION, HISTORIC DISTRICT SURVEY AND PICTURES OF THE HOME PAST AND PRESENT, UH, BE A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE BUILDING LOCATED AT 2 0 7 FROM THE PRESERVATION ASSOCIATES OF VIRGINIA.
THE ESTIMATED DATE OF CONSTRUCTION WAS 1900.
UH, THEY STATED THAT THE DWELLING EXHIBITS, TYPICAL FORM AND CLADDING OF HOUSES IN THIS AREA AND THE HOUSE CONTRIBUTES TO HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THAT'S THE PICTURE THAT THEY HAVE SHOWN FROM THE, UH, HISTORIC SURVEY PHOTOGRAPH CIRCUIT NINE THREE LIKE THAT.
UH, THAT IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF VIEW OF THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING FROM THE WARREN COUNTY G I S IN 2006 SHOWING A STANDING SCENE, METAL ROOF ON THE PORCH AND THE FRONT.
AND IT APPEARS ASPHALT SHINGLES ON THIS BAY WINDOW AREA.
UH, THAT WAS THE PICTURES THAT WERE TAKEN.
UH, WHEN CODE ENFORCEMENT DISCOVERED WORK BEING DONE.
UH, THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE, THE METAL ROOFING HAD ALREADY BEEN REMOVED AND THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF INSTALLING THE PLYWOOD, UH, SHEETING ON THE FRONT.
UH, THERE'S A PICTURE OF THE UNDERLAYMENT ALREADY INSTALLED ON THE FRONT AS WELL AS THE REAR, UH, VIEW.
UH, AND ALSO OF THE SIDE VIEW, THE VIEW OF THE REAR FROM THE LEFT CORNER BUILDING ELEVATION, UH, IN JULY OF 2023.
AND ANOTHER PICTURE OF THE RIGHT REAR.
AND THERE'S A LOCATION OF THE BUILDING NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, EAST STONEWALL DRIVE.
AND, UH, THERE ARE 2 0 7 CLOUD STREET.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU REVIEWED THE STAFF REPORT AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS CONTAINED IN IT? YES, I HAVE.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WE STARTED THE MEETING WAS THE ROOF FROM THAT BAY WINDOW, THE SHINGLES OBVIOUSLY.
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THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A TAR ROOF OR A VERY RUDIMENTARY METAL ROOF.AND THEN THERE'S THAT PORCH ROOF THERE.
IT'S GOT SHINGLES ON IT, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHEN.
AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN AN ADDITION AT A LATER DATE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE WINDOWS IN THE CORNER HAS A PRETTY AWKWARD LAYOUT FOR SOME WINDOWS.
OR IT WAS A PORCH THAT WAS CLOSED IN AND THEY ADDED A SHINGLE ROOF TO IT.
HEY, DO WE, UM, SO
SO THAT WAS REPLACED WITH NEW WOOD ALSO THAT, I MEAN, IT WAS, I MEAN IT WAS TERRIBLE.
UH, THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO HERE IS THAT WE NEED TO GO BACK WITH LIKE FOR LIKE FOR A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO NO, AM AM I GONNA SPEAK OR AM I SPEAKING RIGHT NOW? I'M GOOD HERE.
YOU CAN COME UP TO THE TABLE, YOU CAN COME UP TO THE, JOIN THE CONVERSATION.
WELL, WELL MY OPINION IS YOU GUYS WANT THIS AREA TO GET NICER.
FOR ME TO PUT ON A METAL ROOF WOULD BE ABOUT $35,000.
I ACTUALLY WAS ABLE TO SAY, SCREW IT.
HAVE IT, UM, SEALED OFF AND LEAVE UNTIL YOU GUYS WAITED A MONTH TO GIVE ME AN ANSWER.
IF YOU WANT CLOUD STREET TO SHAPE UP, PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT $35,000 ROOFS DOWN.
UM, AND THE AREA IS COMING AROUND THIS DOWNTOWN NIGHT AND DAY FROM WHEN I STARTED BUYING HERE.
FLOWERS ARE ALL PLANTED AND PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY ABLE TO START WORKING ON THEIR STUFF.
YOU'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE FLEXIBLE THERE, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT CLOUD STREET IS PRETTY MUCH RUN DOWN AND YOU'RE GETTING THAT TYPE OF PEOPLE THERE.
I WOULD REC RESIDE THAT PLACE.
'CAUSE I ALSO OWN 2 0 3, BUT I'M KIND OF HESITANT ON DOING MUCH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S ALREADY SIDED.
BUT I THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET A BETTER TYPE OF PEOPLE ON CLOUD RIGHT NOW.
UM, IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT EVERY APARTMENT I OWN IN THIS WHOLE AREA, AND I THINK THAT'S 48 ARE ALL I COULD LIVE THERE.
I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE.
I DO IT WHERE I COULD STAY THERE.
I PUT, YOU KNOW, L V L FLOORS, I, I DO IT RIGHT.
UH, EAST MAIN STREET, TAKE CARE OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING IT UP EVEN THAT, AND I'M GONNA START TALKING TO YOU BEFORE I DO STUFF.
I'M LEARNING MORE A LITTLE BIT NOW, COME TALK TO YOU GUYS AND YOU KNOW, WELL THIS PERMIT WOULD'VE ALL OF THIS.
AND AND TO BE HONEST, I DIDN'T BECAUSE I DO ROOFS.
I OWN PROPERTIES IN MANASSAS PARK.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE REPLACING A ROOF, YOU JUST REPLACE IT.
I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU HAD TO DO THIS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO BETTER AT, UH, THAN EDUCATING THE PUBLIC.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT 2 0 3, THAT'S A SHINGLE ROOF.
SO THAT'S THE OTHER, THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE UP AGAINST IS WE'VE GOT AN OBLIGATION TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT MM-HMM.
AND YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY IT HAD THE STAINING SEA METAL ROOF LAST.
OBVIOUSLY IT LASTS A WHOLE REALLY LONG TIME.
YOU KNOW, GET A HUNDRED YEARS, 20 YEARS OUT OF SHINGLE ROOF MAYBE.
YOU KNOW, THEY SAY THEY GO LONGER, BUT WE ALL KNOW THEY DON'T.
WELL, WHAT I COULD HAVE DONE THEN, WHICH I WOULD DO NOW, I WOULD JUST NOT DO, UM, I'D JUST TAKE TARA AND PUT TARA ON IT.
BUT IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS WANT? OR YOU GUYS WANT PEOPLE THAT WANT TO IMPROVE CLOUD STREET, YOU WANNA IMPROVE ALL THESE AREAS THAT PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD IT.
IMPROVE IT BY MAINTAINING THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF IT.
AND THAT'S YOU AS A OWNER OF A HOUSE ON CLOUD STREET, WHICH I AM.
THEN YOU'RE GONNA SEE CLOUD STREET GO DOWNHILL BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY THAT ARE GOING AND BUYING FIRST TIME HOUSES.
AGAIN, I COULD HAVE EASILY JUST WENT UP THERE WITH TAR AND TAR IT AND LEFT IT GO.
I COULD HAVE LET ALL THAT ROT JUST ROT, BUT I DID IT RIGHT.
THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, I MEAN THE WOOD WAS TERRIBLE.
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YOU COULD TAKE IT AND GO LIKE THIS, IT'S FIXED AND IT'S FIXED.BUT YOU LIVE ON CLOUD, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT WORSE AND WORSE BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO.
WELL, IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT WE WANT.
WELL THEN MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS HAVE ANOTHER MEETING AND THEN WE SHOULD GET OTHER PEOPLE IN AND SAY, HEY GUYS, LET'S GO TAKE A LOOK ON CLOUD STREET AND LET'S GO DOWN ALL THE OTHER STREETS IN THIS AREA AND LOOK HOW RUNDOWN THEY ARE.
AND WHY? BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD 32 TO $40,000 FOR A LITTLE HOUSE LIKE THAT.
AND THEN IT'S GONNA GO WORSE AND WORSE.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, LIKE, I, IF YOU WANT, WE CAN GO LOOK AT IT, SOME OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE ABANDONED BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIX IT, COULD I PUT A METAL ROOF ON? YEAH.
BUT THEN MY RENT'S GONNA GO UP 37,000.
SO BY THE TIME I GET EVERYTHING DONE, IT'S GONNA NOT COME OUTTA ME.
IT'S GONNA COME OUTTA MY RENTERS.
I UNDERSTAND YOU AND I DON'T WANNA SOUND LIKE A SMART ASS, BUT REALLY THAT AREA NEEDS A LOT OF WORK.
I SEEING A LOT OF THOSE HOUSES JUST NEED A ROOF.
BUT WE'VE GOTTA COME TO SOME KIND OF MIDDLE GROUND AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SUSS OUT.
AND IN THE MEANTIME WE HAVE TO KIND OF PUSH PEOPLE IN THE DIRECTION OF SOIL PRESERVATION MM-HMM.
AND IF THAT MEANS IT'S GONNA COST A LITTLE MORE, PUT A ROOF ON IT.
BUT THAT'S NOT A LITTLE MORE, THAT'S THREE AND A HALF TIMES MORE.
SO YOU'RE TALKING, LET'S SEE SOME COMPARATIVE ESTIMATES, BUT WELL, I CAN SHOW YOU, I MEAN, YOU GUYS CALL UP AND GET AN ESTIMATE ON YOUR HOUSE.
SEE WHAT DO WOULD COST TO RESHINGLE OR YOU'VE DONE YOURS ON LONGER.
WE KNOW I I JUST HAD A, UM, REFINISH, I DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE NEW ROOF PUT ON, BUT I KNOW TWO PEOPLE WHO HAVE RECENTLY HAD NEIGHBORS MM-HMM.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER ONE PAID, BUT, SO YEAH.
WELL OURS, LIKE I SAID, I'VE GOTTEN TWO PRICES FOR A STANDING SEAM OR METAL.
BUT WHY I'M HERE, I MEAN, I CAN LEAVE IT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT YOU GUYS, AGAIN, THERE'S GOTTA BE GIVE AND TAKE ON THESE HOUSES OR PEOPLE ARE GONNA JUST LET 'EM GO.
THE NEIGHBOR'S LETTING IT GO, YOU KNOW.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT RENTERS THAT ARE HAVING BUCKETS UNDERNEATH THEIR, UM, IN THEIR HOUSE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
THEY HAVE BUCKETS TO CATCH THE WATER.
'CAUSE THE LANDLORD'S TOO CHEAP TO FIX IT.
HE DOESN'T WANNA, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GONNA GET THOSE RENTS RIGHT.
AND YOU'RE, I I CAN UNDERSTAND EAST MAIN MAIN STREET, I'VE GOT METAL ROOFS.
THAT WOULD BE, I WOULDN'T EVEN BE FIGHTING ON MAIN STREET BECAUSE MAIN STREET IS REALLY LOOKING NICE.
SO I, BUT I DON'T GET CLOUDED.
WELL, IT'S WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND, BUT THEN EVERY THIRD HOUSE IS SHINGLE.
THAT'S BECAUSE THIS BOARD HAS GONE THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS AND, AND AT ONE POINT IT DIDN'T EXIST.
AND THE BOARD WAS CREATED TO STOP SHINGLES ESSENTIALLY.
AND SOME OF THE HOUSES WERE BUILT AFTER THE TIN THING TOO.
THERE IS SO MUCH NEWER, THERE'S HOD POND, A CLEAR DIRECTION TO DRAW THAT LINE.
AND THEN WITH THE SEVERAL SURVEYS, MAIN STREET AND OTHER PROGRAMS, HISTORIC PRESERVATION KEEPS RATING VERY HIGH.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO TOURISM AND IT'S NOT HISTORIC REPLICATION OR I THINK THE TOURISTS ARE GONNA BE AFRAID TO DRIVE DOWN CLOUD STREET.
WELL ONCE ALL THE METAL ROOFS ARE NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE.
I THINK ONCE YOU GET PEOPLE THAT CAN AFFORD TO FIX 'EM UP, THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE PRIDE.
RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF, UM, PEOPLE WELL WE HAVE CLEAR GUIDELINES THAT WE, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.
IT'S NOT OUR PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
BUT WHAT I'LL DO, AND WE'RE NOT THE PEOPLE TO TAKE THAT UP WITH THOUGH.
I MEAN, THE GOOD THING ABOUT ME, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND ARROGANT, I CAN AFFORD TO KEEP GOING.
WHY I'M DOING THIS NOW IS PARTLY BECAUSE THESE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING THESE PLACES SHOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO FIX IT UP.
THEY GO IN HERE, THEY GET, THEY GET THIS HOUSE AND THEY'RE THINKING, OH, I'M GETTING THIS HOUSE FOR A STEAL.
THEN THEY HAVE TO GO AND THEY HAVE TO PUT A NEW ROOF ON BECAUSE THE ROOF IS FAILING AND IT'S $37,000.
THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO, WE, WE HAVE TO EDUCATE THE REAL ESTATE AGENTS TO LET THEM KNOW THEY'RE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND NOT TO BUY IT IF THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK WHAT YOU GUYS GOTTA DO IS MAYBE PICK IT, UH, INTERMEDIATE, FIND A REALLY GOOD LOOKING SHINGLE THAT MIGHT NOT BE, THAT'S MAYBE MORE APPEALING.
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BUT NOT THREE TIMES THE THE COST.YOU MEAN TO STAY ON TRACK HERE? OKAY.
WHAT'S THE TRACK? IT'S NOT OUR OPINION OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO NO, DO I UNDERSTAND THAT? SO MAYBE WE NEED TO TRAIN CHANGE THE SYSTEM.
WELL, WELL THEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY STATE LEVEL.
SO HOW DO I DO THAT? THE ISSUE IS WE HAVE TO MAKE, WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE STANDARDS MM-HMM.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING THE REASON MAIN STREET IS LOOKING BETTER AND BETTER.
WELL IF YOU LOOK PROGRESS AT WHAT'S GOING ON, WELL THEN OKAY.
WELL, I WISH WE COULD, I WISH WE COULD.
BUT IT'S, YOU'RE NOT GOING, HERE'S WHAT WE, I THINK WE DO THEN, THEN I, I TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
SO IF YOU THINK WE, I NEED TO GO TO THE STATE, WE ALL GO TO THE STATE.
I MEAN, I, I GUESS BUT WE'RE NOT HERE TO ARGUE.
NO, BUT I'VE GOT RIGHT NOW A A, A ROOF.
I, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT THE, UM, ON IT TEMPORARILY.
THAT'S GONNA, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE ROLLING YOUR EYES AT ME.
I'M NOT, I DON'T THINK I'M SAYING ANYTHING SILLY.
I, I PROMISE YOU I'M NOT ROLLING MY EYES.
I JUST, I WOULD NOT SHOW YOU THAT LEVEL OF DISRESPECT.
BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO JUST MAKE MY POINT AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND.
BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT HERE RIGHT NOW THAT CAN'T DO, AND THEY BOUGHT THESE PLACES AND YOU'RE NOT WRONG.
SO THEN, THEN MAYBE I LIKE YOU SAID, THEN MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT.
MAYBE YOU GO TO, I GO TO THE STATE AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
'CAUSE IF I DON'T DO IT, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO ANOTHER PERSON AND THEN ANOTHER PERSON.
RIGHT NOW MY ROOF'S NOT LEAKING.
I'VE GOT THAT TEMPORARY PAPER ON IT.
DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GONNA LAST, BUT I'VE GOT IT.
I MEAN, YOU HAD HOLES IN THE ROOF AND I CAN TAKE YOU DOWN CLOUD STREET AND SHOW YOU A LOT OF OTHER HOUSES THAT ARE LEAKING AND THEY'RE JUST DETERIORATING.
AND OUR, OUR GUIDELINES COME FROM THE STATE.
SO THE STATE'S WRONG THEN WE CHANGE IT.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION GUIDELINES, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY WRONG.
THEY'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE HISTORIC FABRIC.
THEY'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE TOWN.
THEY LIKE NO VINYL OVER WOODEN.
AND LOOK AT THE TWO ONE, THE TWO I BOUGHT BOTH HAD VINYL ON.
THEY DID BECAUSE THEY WERE BOTH VIOLENT BEFORE IN A WEIRD SPOT.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF YEARS WITH NO PROTECTION FOR THESE BUILDINGS AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT OUR WAY.
AND THE BEST WAY WE KNOW TO DO THAT IS TO ABIDE BY THE STANDARDS.
SO THEN WHAT I GUESS I HAVE TO DO IS KEEP THAT PAPER ON A LITTLE LONGER AND WE GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL, WHICH IS A BUMMER.
SO THEN I GUESS WHAT YOU GUYS NEED TO DO IS TELL ME WHERE I GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND I TALK TO THE STATE, AND THEN IF YOU GUYS CAN EMAIL ME NOW, CAN I GET A COPY OF THIS TOO? WELL, WHAT ACTUALLY THE NEXT STEP IS WHATEVER DECISION THEY MAKE MM-HMM.
SO YOU GUYS WILL SEND ME ALL THE INFORMATION SO I CAN APPEAL.
AND I DON'T WANT, I, I'M DOING THIS MORE FOR OTHER PEOPLE THAN ME.
DO IT FOR WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE.
I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR TIME WITH US.
BUT LIKE I SAID, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF OTHER, UM, BUILDINGS JUST SITTING THERE WASTING AWAY EVEN ON MAIN STREET.
AND THIS IS GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT PEOPLE DO.
HOUSES HAVE BEEN FALLING DOWN THERE FOR GENERATIONS AND THEN YOU WALK THAT AREA AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, BUT SO I KNOW I DO WALK IN AT NIGHT.
I WALK IN AT NIGHT, I WALK IN IN THE MORNING.
I'M NEVER ONE'S HAD A PROBLEM.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT.
WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ROOF.
SO ARE WE DONE THEN ON A VOTE? OKAY.
SO, UM, WHO WANTS TO CRAFT A MOTION? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, ARE WE
WE HAVE MATERIALS AND, BUT WE, HIM LUCK ON, SO CAN YOU GUYS, THIS IS ON VIDEO, RIGHT? CAN YOU SEND ME ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I NEED TO APPEAL SINCE I'M APPEALING? BECAUSE THE STATE YOU GUYS SAY WE CANNOT, WE THAT'S JOHN, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR HIM? YEAH.
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THE ZONING DEPARTMENT.IF, IF WHATEVER DECISION THEY MAKE.
IF YOU, IF YOU, WELL, WHAT I'D LIKE YOU GUYS TO DO, SINCE I PAY A LOT OF TAX HERE, I'D LIKE YOU GUYS TO STEP BY STEP, TELL ME HOW TO APPEAL BECAUSE, UM, I PAY A LOT OF TAXES IN WARREN COUNTY AND I WOULD EXPECT YOU GUYS TO ACCEPT, TELL ME STEP BY STEP HOW I GO TALK TO THE STATE AND THEN I'LL DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU GUYS TELL ME.
WELL, THE APPEAL WILL COME TO TOWN COUNCIL.
UM, IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEIR DECISION, WHICH YEAH.
IF YOU WANTED TO TALK TO SOMEBODY AT THE STATE, I WOULD REACH OUT TO, UM, THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO TO, SO THAT'S KIND OF JUMPING AHEAD OF WHAT JOHN'S TALKING ABOUT.
SO I, I DON'T WANNA GET YOU TOO, JOHN.
SO YES, A LETTER WILL GO OUT IF, IF YOU DECIDE TO APPEAL THEIR DECISION.
WELL WE ALL BOTH KNOW THAT IF IT GOES THAT IT'S GONNA BE NON SHINGLE, UH, NON SHINGLE, I'M GONNA APPEAL AND OKAY.
AND THEN DO YOU GUYS HAVE COUNTY MEETINGS LIKE OTHER, LIKE YOU HAVE 'EM EVERY MONTH, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHICH BOARD? YOU TALKING LIKE YOU HAVE THESE KIND, THIS IS THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
SO YOU HAVE THESE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL MEETINGS EVERY MONTH.
THE FIRST, THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW HOLDS THEM MONTHLY.
WHEN THE, UH, TUESDAY SECOND TUESDAY.
TUESDAY IF THEY HAVE APPLICATIONS.
ALRIGHT, WELL I GUESS WE KIND OF KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND IT LIKE, SO YOU GUYS WILL LET ME KNOW WHAT MY NEXT STEP IS THEN? YES.
AND I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE A SMART ASS, BUT WE HAVEN'T MADE A MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICATION, UM, TO REPLACE THE EXISTING METAL ROOF WITH AN ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF TO CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AT 2 0 7 CLOUD STREET.
AND WHAT WAS YOUR NAME? THAT? HOLLY RODIN.
A SO NOW WE GO FOR THE SECOND ONE AND UM, I JUST KEEP IT THAT WAY.
I GUESS IT'S NOT GONNA BE PRETTY FOR ANY OF US JUST SO WE, YOU KNOW, IF THE STATE, BUT I MEAN THIS IS FINE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE PRETTY.
AND YOU GUYS, CAN I GET A COPY OF THIS MEETING? YOU GUYS ARE TAPING IT, SO I'D LIKE TO GET A VIDEO IF I CAN.
YEAH, WE THEY CAN FURNISH YOU A LINK FOR THAT.
THEY CAN GIVE YOU THE LINK TO, TO, UH, FOR THAT.
AND WAS THAT, WAS THE NUMBER ON THAT ONE? THERE'S A DISCREPANCY.
'CAUSE ON THERE IT SAYS 4 2 0 ON COVER SHEET IT SAYS 4 21, IT'S GONNA BE 4 21 BECAUSE ALL THE THERE THAT, THERE ARE ODD NUMBERS ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET.
UH, THAT'S JUST THE APPLICATION COME IN.
I THINK THE, THERE'S A TYPO SOMEWHERE.
NO, I THINK ONE IS FOR THE ZONING PERMIT TO DO THE WORK.
THE OTHER IS FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS COMES IN AFTER THAT 4 21.
ONE IS TO DO THE ROOF WORK, ONE IS TO GET APPROVAL TO DO THE WORK.
ALRIGHT, WELL LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT FOUR 18 THEN.
IT'S GONNA BE AN ODD NUMBER ON THAT SIDE.
JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR A FEW MOMENTS.
SO, UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS FOR 2 37 CHURCH STREET.
CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE FOR REVIEW IS LOCATED AT 2 37 CHURCH NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF CHURCH IN EAST PROSPECT STREET.
UH, THE APPLICATION SUMMARY, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION IS FOR REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING ROOF COMPONENTS IN THE REAR, THE METAL ROOF, RAFTER, ROOF DECK, PURLINS, ET CETERA, AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE THAT ADD A SECOND STORY TO INCREASE THE RESIDENTIAL FLOOR AREA, BUT NOT INCREASING THE OVERALL FOOTPRINT OF THE
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BUILDING, INCLUDING IN YOUR PACKET IS THE STAFF REPORT, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION, HISTORIC DISTRICT SURVEY AND FRONT SIDE AND REAR LAYOUT DRAWINGS FURNISHED BY THE APPLICANT.UH, THE PRESERVATION ASSOCIATES OF VIRGINIA 1993 ESTIMATED THE DATE OF CONSTRUCTION OF 1910.
TYPICAL EARLY 20TH CENTURY DWELLING FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE FOREMAN SCALE OF THIS HOUSE ADDS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER.
UH, THAT'S THE VIEW OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IN 93 IN HISTORIC SURVEY WITH THE METAL ROOF.
UH, IN ON THE STRUCTURE, UH, THAT IS A VIEW OF THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO REMOVE THIS SECTION OF THE BUILDING THE ROOF HERE AND ADD A SECOND STORY ABOVE THAT.
AND, UH, TO REMOVE THE CHIMNEY THAT'S PRESENT HERE.
UH, THAT'S A VIEW OF THE, OF THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO DO.
THERE'S A LOCATION THERE, UH, THERE 2 37.
IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE SAME OWNER, BUT A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE MADE THEM PUT A PUT THE, ANOTHER METAL ROOF ON SAME HOUSE.
NOW THEY'RE JUST ASKING TO DO THE REAR AND WE'LL GET YOU SOME PHOTOGRAPHS HERE.
SO HE IS ADDING RE UH, ADDITION AND REMOVAL OF THE CHIMNEY.
UH, ALSO CONTAINED, IF YOU READ YOUR REPORT THERE, THEY DID SEND AN EMAIL ALONG CONFIRMING THAT UH, THEY WOULD REPLACE LIKE FOR LIKE INFORMATION THAT UH, THEY WILL BE USING THE SAME MATERIAL FOR THE ADDITION OF THE HOUSE WINDOWS, ET CETERA.
THEY'LL USE THE SAME MATERIAL.
THEY DID CONFIRM THAT AND THEY DID SUBMIT, UH, THESE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT YOU ALREADY SEEN, UH, THE REAR OF THE HOME AND THEY PROVIDED THE LAYOUT SKETCHES.
THIS IS THE PART OF THE HISTORICAL SURVEY.
THERE IS THE FRONT VIEW THAT THEY SUBMITTED FRONT ELEVATION, HOW THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE THE BACK ELEVATION PRESENTLY WITH THE DOOR AND THE WINDOWS AND STEPS.
THE LEFT SIDE LAYOUT PRESENT LEFT SIDE, THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION.
AND NOW THE PROPOSED LEFT SIDE LAYOUT WITH THE ADDITION, UH, OVER HERE ON THIS SIDE HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN.
SO THEY WOULD RAISE THAT UP AND ADD A SECOND STORY TO THAT PART OF THE BUILDING IN THE REAR AND PROPOSE RIGHT SIDE LAYOUT WITH A ROOF LINE EXTENDED AND ADDING THE ADDITION ABOVE THAT SAME MATERIAL.
UH, THEY NOTED ON THEIR APPLICATION THE WINDOWS AND EVERYTHING WOULD BE UH, LIKE FOR LIKE IF YOU WOULD.
AND THERE'S A LITTLE PLAIN LAYOUT OF HOW THEY WAS GOING TO DEVISE THAT AT A ROOM TO THE OTHER UPPER FLOOR.
DO YOU WANT ME TO REVIEW SOME OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS? THIS, UM, THE FLOOR PLAN LAYOUT IS THIS, HOW IS THIS ORIENTED? DO YOU KNOW? UH, THE FRONT, WHAT'S THE BACK? I'M ASSUMING THE WAY IT LOOKS, UH, LAID OUT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BE PUTTING THE ROOF LINE.
LOOKS LIKE THEY'LL BE ADDING ANOTHER BEDROOM THERE.
DOING A 13 FOOT LOOKS LIKE AN ADDITION.
YOU CAN LOOK ON THE OTHER SIDE.
YEAH, THERE'S A 13 FOOT EDITION FOR LAYOUT.
13 FOOT IN HEIGHT I SHOULD SAY.
UM, I MEAN IT'S NICE OF THEM TO SAY THAT THEY'RE GONNA USE LIKE FOR LIKE, BUT I MEAN HAVING SOME CALLOUTS WOULD BE NICE.
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IT'S LIKE WE'RE GONNA PUT A C E C METAL ROOF ON.WE'RE GONNA PUT A PEBBLE DASH DCO FINISH ON THE WALLS.
WE'RE GONNA MATCH THE WINDOWS WITH WOOD WINDOWS.
YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S ALL VERY RUDIMENTARY.
UM, CAN WE, WE CAN STATE THAT WHEN WE MAKE OUR MOTION, CORRECT? YEAH.
WOULD, WOULD ALL OF THIS WOULD BE CALLED OUT IN CONSTRUCTION AND PERMIT AND I MEAN SURELY THEY'RE GONNA HAVE BETTER DRAWINGS AND STUFF TO SUBMIT TO YOU GUYS, RIGHT? FOR YEAH.
WELL WE WOULD ONLY DO THE ZONING APPROVAL RIGHT.
IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE USE.
AND WITH YOUR A CERTIFICATE OF, UH, APPROPRIATENESS GIVING THEM THE AUTHORITY TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, THEN THEY WOULD SUBMIT, UH, A FLOOR PLAN AND DRAWINGS TO WARREN COUNTY BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO ACTUALLY GET THE BUILDING PERMIT.
SO THE COUNTY PROBABLY WOULD REQUIRE A MORE DETAILED DRAWING IN DIMENSIONS OF IT.
SO WE WOULD JUST BE CONCERNED IF THE USE OR THE ENLARGEMENT IS APPROPRIATE.
AND WITH A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, IF YOU NEED TO PUT A RESTRICTIONS OR UH, COMMENTS ON THAT, UH, OR CONDITIONS ON THE APPROVAL IF YOU DESIRE TO DO SO.
I'M GONNA PULL UP A SATELLITE VIEW.
AND WHY THE REMOVAL OF THE CHIMNEY? UM, IT'S NOT IN USE AT THIS TIME.
IT'S CAPPED OFF AND IT'S NOT IN USE AND I THINK THEY WAS WANTING TO DO THAT, UH, BASICALLY TO DO THE REALIGNMENT OF THE ROOF.
SO WHEN THEY TIED THE, THE NEW ROOF IN THAT, UH OH, OKAY.
THAT MIGHT BE, I GET THE PHOTOGRAPH OF, UH, I, I, IT PROBABLY IS GOING THROUGH 'CAUSE LOOK AT WHERE IT WAS LIKE THE FLOOR PLAN, LIKE THEIR NEW FLOOR PLAN.
I BOUGHT MY CHIMNEY AND I'M LIKE, DO I NEED THOSE
I THINK WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO TIE IN THE ROOF IN THE HERE YEAH.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ASKED TO REMOVE THE CHIMNEY HERE SO THEY CAN TIE THE ROOF RAFTER IN AND ON THE PITCH OF THE ROOF.
THAT WOULD BE MY ASSUMPTION ON THAT.
UM, IF WE GET THEM TO SAY MORE THAN JUST LIKE FOR LIKE AND BE SPECIFIC.
RIGHT? WELL I THINK, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE UP TO US TO CALL, LIKE YOU CALL OUT MAKE, YOU COULD PUT CONDITIONS IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO SO ON THAT.
UM, DO YOU THINK, CAN WE, CAN A CONDITION BE THAT WE REVIEW THE DETAILED PLANS? IS THAT POSSIBLE? UM, I MEAN YOU COULD, UM, YOU COULD POSTPONE A VOTE UNTIL NEXT MONTH.
I DON'T WANNA WITH MORE INFORMATION OR PUT CONDITIONS ON THE MOTION.
I JUST, I DON'T WANT A, I DON'T WANNA HOLD ANYTHING UP.
I MEAN, WHERE DO THOSE CONDITIONS END UP? DO THEY END UP AT THE FEW OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REVIEWING THE PLANS? I MEAN, WELL WE WOULD, UH, ISSUE, I MEAN IF YOU'RE PUTTING, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS REAR EDITION ARE, YOU'RE ASKING TO DO WOOD WINDOWS IN THE BACK.
I DIDN'T EVEN, THEY DIDN'T CALL OUT ANY WIND.
THEY DON'T HAVE A REAR ELEVATION DRAWING OF THE NEW ADDITION WOULD THAT THEY DON'T SHOW ANY WINDOWS ON THE NEW, ON THE ADDITION AT ALL IN THEIR DRAWING.
IN THEIR, UH, LET'S SEE, IN THEIR ROUGH DRAWINGS, THERE'S ONE OH IN LIGHT CONDITION ON
ANYWAYS, SO THE ROOF LINE ISN'T RIGHT.
BUT ANYWAYS, THERE'S NO WINDOWS.
THERE'S NO WINDOWS SHOWN THERE.
ON THE PROPOSED DRAWINGS, AT LEAST ON THE LEFTHAND SIDE, PROPOSED LIKE THERE'S NO SIDE WINDOWS PROPOSED.
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OKAY.LIKE AN LOT PUT AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A PROPOSED REAR UNLESS YOU, IF I, I WE'RE ASSUMING WITH THIS DRAWING, MAYBE THERE IS NO WINDOWS, BUT YOU COULD PUT A CONDITION ON THERE.
THE WINDOWS NEED TO BE WOOD, WOOD, WOOD, NEW WOODEN WINDOWS WITH THEY'RE DOING UH, SHUTTERS, THEY'RE ADDING THE WINDOWS.
THEN THE STUCCO WOULD BE AND THOSE ARE THOSE SIXES OVER SIX? YES.
SO, UH, LOOKS LIKE A SIX, SIX OVER SIX HERE AND HERE IF THEY'RE GOING TO ADD WINDOWS TO THE SIDE OF THE NEW ADDITION OR THE REAR OF THE ADDITION, UH, YOU COULD UM, PUT THAT AS CONDITION.
THAT'D BE WOOD WINDOWS SIX BY SIX SIMILAR TO OR LIKE FOR LIGHT ON THE PRESENT PART OF THE STRUCTURE AND UH, PART OF THE STUCCO IF YOU WANNA, YEAH.
AND A STANDING SCENE ROOF AND A STANDING SCENE, METAL ROOF.
UH, THEY'RE GOING TO DO STAIRS.
WELL THAT BACK WOULDN'T HAVE ANY.
SO, UH, JUST TO BE EXISTING STAIRS THERE.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE THREE PRIMARY THINGS I CAN THINK OF.
THE ROOF, POSSIBLE WINDOWS IN THE EXTERIOR.
CAN YOU GO TO THE PROPOSED LAYOUT PAGE? IT'S A BEDROOM.
AND MAYBE THE PLAN IS USING THOSE WINDOWS.
IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA NEED 'EM.
THERE'S NO WINDOW ON THE FLOOR PLAN EITHER.
COULD WE CUT THOSE ONES OUT USING THAT AGAIN? WHICH VIEW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THIS THE, THE BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDE PROPOSED LAYOUTS WHERE THEY'VE GOT THEIR NEW LITTLE, THE PROBLEM IS THEY'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT PITCHES.
I THINK THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE SMALL RIGHT, RIGHT.
GREEN AREAS AND THE GREEN AREA IS THE NEW.
THEY JUST, THEY DRAWING DOESN'T SHOW THE, THE DIFFERENT PITCHES AND THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE NOT GONNA TEAR OFF THE OLD PORTION, PULL UP THAT PHOTO OF THE REAR BEAR WITH ME.
SO THEY'VE GOT THIS GABLE END FACING THE REAR AND THEN THEY'VE GOT THE OTHER ROOF RUNNING THE OTHER WAY.
I MEAN THAT MEANS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO TEAR OFF ALL THAT.
UH, WELL I MEAN NOW WE DID SEND, I DID SEND A REMINDER EMAIL OUT TO THE APPLICANT TODAY AGAIN FOR THEM TO BE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
UH, AND THEY HAVE NOT, YOU KNOW, ARE NOT HERE OBVIOUSLY.
UH, AND THEY WERE NOTIFIED, UH, WHEN THE PACKET WENT OUT.
UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES CIRCUMSTANCES DOES COME UP.
IT'S, I MEAN YOU CAN, I JUST THINK IT'S GONNA BE IF YOU, IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION THAT YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, TABLE IT FOR NEXT MONTH, I JUST THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE MORE INVOLVED THAN TAKING DOWN TO CHIMNEY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE REMIND THE APPLICANTS TO BE HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AND FEEL LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION PROVIDED FROM THEM AT LEAST TABLE AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO REAPPLY.
I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH QUESTIONS TO TABLE IT.
I KNOW WE DON'T WANNA DELAY, BUT RIGHT.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WE JUST NEED MORE INFORMATION AT THIS POINT.
IT'D BE NICE IF THEY WERE HERE TO, TO KIND OF WALK
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US THROUGH WHAT THEY'RE THINKING.UM, ARE THEY DOING THE WORK THEMSELVES OR WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DO YOU WANT TO REQUEST MORE SPECIFIC DRAWINGS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL OR WOULD YOU OR YOU WANT THEM PRESENT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE BETTER.
JUST HAVING THEM HERE WOULD BE, WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD TABLE THIS.
I DON'T WANNA DO THIS WITHOUT A LITTLE BIT NO, I AGREE BIT MORE BECAUSE YOU SEE THAT.
YEAH, THE WAY THE ROOF, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ROOFS, RIGHT, BECAUSE WHAT THEY GOT DRAWN ON THERE JUST DIDN'T GONNA BLOCK.
DO WE WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE THING? YEAH.
DO YOU MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, TO I DON'T, IT'S RIGHT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE APPLICATION TO ADD A SECOND STORY ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE HOME AND REMOVE THE EXISTING CHIMNEY TO A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OF 2 37 CHURCH STREET.
UH, ANY OTHER BUSINESS FOR THIS EVENING? UM, I GOT IT.
DID YOU GUYS GET THAT EMAIL FROM KATIE OR DID THAT JUST COME TO ME? UM, SHE REACHED OUT TO UM, WAS THAT A WHILE BACK? I JUST GOT IT TODAY.
UM, I THINK SHE'S ALLOWED TO EMAIL ALL OF US AT ONCE.
SO SHE REACHED OUT TO JAMIE CHICHESTER CHICHESTER, UM, AND SHE WORKS WITH THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF ARLINGTON AND HAS RUNS SOME KIND OF A WORK CAMP.
IN OUR LAST MEETING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT YEAH.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT AN IN WITH THE DIOCESE OF ARLINGTON AND I'M GONNA SET UP A CALL I GUESS WITH KATIE AND I AND THIS WOMAN TO DISCUSS HOW THEY DO THINGS AND HOW MAYBE THEY COULD GET INVOLVED WITH SOME KIND OF WORK CAMP, STREET CLEANUP THING HERE.
UM, THERE ARE STREET CLEANUP PROGRAMS HERE.
RIGHT? WELL WE DISCUSSED ALL THAT LAST TIME AND I DROPPED THE BALL ON MY END AND I USING CHURCHES.
I DIDN'T FOLLOW UP WITH PEOPLE I WAS SUPPOSED TO SPEAK TO ON THAT FRONT.
BUT WE ARE GONNA FOLLOW UP ON THIS ONE.
AND I THINK FOR OUR NEXT MEETING WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION FOR THAT.
UM, IF WE DON'T HAVE, I OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TABLING THIS SO WE'LL HAVE ONE NEXT MONTH AND I THINK WE SHOULD PLAN TO DISCUSS THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE THEN.
UM, I WILL NOT BE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WILL YOU GUYS BE HERE? LL BE HERE.
ALRIGHT, WELL KATIE SHOULD BE HERE TOO SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD THAT THEM.
ALRIGHT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING.