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          YES. 
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READY? 
          [Liaison Town Hall on July 20, 2023.]
OKAY. 
          SO I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNTY LIAISON, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING FOR THURSDAY, JULY 20TH. 
          UM, MS. PRESLEY, DO WE NEED TO DO, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A ROLL COUNT FOR THESE, DO YOU? OKAY, GREAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, UM, THE FIRST ITEM THAT IS ON THE, UM, THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA WAS THE REVISIONS TO THE LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING POLICY. 
          I KNOW THAT WE, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS, I THINK THIS IS THE THIRD MEETING IN A ROW. 
          UM, BUT WE, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS WE ALL AGREED ON, BUT WE WEREN'T, WE REALLY HADN'T, UM, DETERMINED SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNTY HAD ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT. 
          LIKE IF YOU, UM, IF YOU ALL HAD ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING EVERY, WELL, WE ALREADY, WE KNOW, WE ALL AGREED TO THE, THE DATES, UM, AND THE MONTHS AND HOW TO GET THE INFORMATION TO THE AGENDA. 
          UM, WE KNEW ALL THAT. 
          BUT THE OTHER PART THAT WE HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS WHETHER OR NOT, LIKE, UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE COMING TO THE MEETING. 
          AND I KNOW I SHARED THIS WITH YOU ALL BEFORE, UM, THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP WITH OUR LEGAL WAS THAT, UM, UM, IS, IS THAT IF WE'RE ALL HERE, DOES THAT MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, UH, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM TO BE ABLE TO MEET? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE OR NOT. 
          WELL, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, TONIGHT IN THE ROOM THERE IS 1, 2, 3, 4, LET ME SEE ONE, SEE 1, 2, 3 COUNCIL MEMBERS, FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, RIGHT. 
          I THINK I'M COUNTING RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          MELISSA. 
          BRUCE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO 1, 2, 3, 4. 
          SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A QUORUM, BUT IF ONE OF THEM HAD NOT COME, WOULD IT HAVE THEN MEANT WE, IF WE CHANGED OUR MEETING POLICY, WOULD IT THEN MEAN WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS MEETING IF EVERYBODY WASN'T HERE? SO DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? I, I, I'M KINDA LEANING TOWARDS JUST KEEPING IT THE WAY IT WAS IN TERMS OF THAT, UNLESS ANYBODY, UM, DID YOU CONSULT WITH YOUR ATTORNEY ON THAT AND WHETHER DID HE, HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT? WELL, FOR ONE THING IT WOULD BE AN OFFICIAL MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHICH IS FINE BECAUSE WE PUBLICIZE IT AND WE'RE ON AIR, SO THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. 
          BUT IT'S, UM, LIKE WE HAVE ATTENDANCE POLICIES FOR OURS. 
          LIKE YOU CAN'T MISS SO MANY MEETINGS. 
          AND SO WOULD THIS THEN TURN INTO, THIS IS PART OF THE ATTENDANCE AND THEN ALSO THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE, WE HAVE TO HAVE FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE A FORUM. 
          WHAT DO YOU GUYS HAVE TO HAVE FOR FORUM? THREE? THREE. 
          THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE IDEA WAS THAT IF WE TURN THIS INTO EVERYBODY WAS THERE AND NEEDED TO BE THERE, THEN IF WE DIDN'T HAVE, OR COUNCIL MEMBERS, OR YOU ALL DIDN'T HAVE THREE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBERS, THEN WOULD IT MEAN THAT WE COULDN'T HOLD THE MEETING? CUZ THERE WOULDN'T BE A QUORUM? WE'RE NOT VOTING ON IT. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          JUST TO SUGGESTION TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IF WE BOTH PUBLISHED A NOTICE THAT SAID TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS OR, UH, IN OUR CASE SUPERVISORS, COUNTY SUPERVISORS MAY BE ATTENDING WITH THE WORD, MAY BE ATTENDING THE TOWN COUNTY LIAISON MEETING, WHICH WILL BE HELD AT THIS TIME AT THIS PLACE. 
          AND THEN IT'S NOT REALLY A MEETING OF THE COUNCIL OR OF THE BOARD, BUT THOSE BOARD MEMBERS CAN PARTICIPATE IT AND IT'S BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES. 
          WELL, AND I GIVES, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. 
          NO, NO. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, ONE THING I WILL SAY IS THAT I FEEL LIKE SINCE WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS THIS YEAR, CUZ WE'VE DONE IT, UM, WE DID OCTOBER, APRIL, AND NOW THAT WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF ALLOWING ANYBODY THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, ANY, UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE ROOM, WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF IF THEY WANTED TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION TO ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT. 
          I THINK THAT PROBABLY THE IDEA OF CHANGING THE, THE, UM, POLICIES FOR THE LIAISON MEETING, I THINK THE WHOLE IDEA CAME UP THAT WE DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO FEEL LIKE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT HAD A VOICE AT THE MEETINGS WERE THE, THE CHAIR, THE MAYOR, 
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AND ONE OTHER PERSON. 
          BUT I THINK I, MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT FEEL DIFFERENTLY, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB AT, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING OTHER PEOPLE TO HAVE A VOICE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND EVERYBODY FEELS LIKE THEY'RE A PART OF IT, THEN I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE THE POLICY THAT THAT'S ALL I WAS GONNA OFFER UP. 
          UM, I DON'T IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING. 
          WELL, I MEAN, I I, IT'S A LITTLE BIT SIMPLER IN MY THINKING BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE GOT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HERE, WE'RE NOT REALLY SETTING POLICY HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, AND BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT VOTING HERE, RIGHT? SO IF YOU DECIDE TO CHANGE POLICY, IT'S GONNA GO THROUGH TOWN COUNCIL AND IT'S GONNA GO THROUGH SUPERVISOR. 
          SO CHANGING IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY AFFECT ANYTHING POSITIVE, RIGHT. 
          IT'S JUST ANOTHER PIECE OF PAPER, RIGHT? YEAH, I AGREE. 
          SO WE JUST LEAVE WHAT WE HAVE IN THE AGENDA WITH THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, SUCH AS THE MEETINGS SHALL BE ROTATED EVERY QUARTER. 
          UM, AND, UM, AND THE IDEA OF THAT ANY REQUEST TO PLACE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA SHALL BE MADE BY CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON THURSDAY THE WEEK PRIOR TO THE LIAISON MEETING MS. PRESLEY, THAT, THAT WORKED OKAY, DIDN'T IT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF AMBI AMBIGUOUS BEFORE, CUZ IT SAID BY 1:00 PM ON TUESDAY. 
          SO IT DIDN'T REALLY SAY, WAS IT THE TUESDAY THE WEEK BEFORE THE MEETING? OR WAS IT THE TUESDAY, TWO DAYS BEFORE, SO, RIGHT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE TWO. 
          I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN THINGS. 
          NOW I'M GONNA ASK, UM, MS. PRESLEY A QUESTION. 
          SO BY CHANGING THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT BOTH OUR BOARD OR OUR COUNSEL AND THEIR BOARD NOW HAS TO TAKE TO A MEETING? RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          THAT WOULD BE VOTED ON. 
          SO TO CHANGE THESE FILES, SO ANYWAY MM-HMM. 
          , UM, GO AHEAD. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. 
          WE DID HAVE ONE OKAY. 
          CHANGE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE. 
          UM, AT THE, UH, THE LAST PARAGRAPH, IT SAYS MANAGER AND ADMINISTRATOR REPORTS. 
          YES. 
          AND IT SAID THAT THE WARREN COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR SHALL GIVE AN ORAL REPORT YES. 
          FOR BOTH. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M SORRY, I'M READING OFF MY, MY THUMB. 
          SO ANYWAY, SO WE'D LIKE TO, UM, CHANGE THE, UM, THE, THE NARRATIVE, YOU KNOW OKAY. 
          TO SAY, UM, THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE TOWN, UM, UH, MANAGER WILL, UM, SUBMIT, UH, SUBMIT A REPORT RATHER THAN, UM, HAVE AN ORAL. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD, UM, LIKE TO RECOMMEND. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          VICE MAYOR CILA, DO YOU THAT? UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT HAS HAPPENED. 
          I THINK THE LAST TIME IT HAPPENED WAS WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNSEL, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN 2020. 
          SO THAT'S HOW LONG AGO? NOBODY, NOBODY. 
          SOMETIME PRE COVID. 
          IT WAS DEFINITELY PRE COVID. 
          UM, IT WAS DEFINITELY THAT. 
          SO NOBODY HAS DONE AN ORAL REPORT, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY, THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD. 
          IS THAT, YEP. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY I DO ALREADY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO BE A PART OF THAT. 
          JOE, DOES THAT SOUND RE DOES THAT, WOULD THAT WORK FOR US TOO? THE TOWN? LIKE A, I BELIEVE SO. 
          I CAN PROVIDE A WRITTEN REPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          UM, SO THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE CHANGING THERE, TINA WOULD JUST BE ORAL TO WRITTEN. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          GREAT. 
          THAT MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, AND I'M AS A QUARTERLY. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , AND I GUESS WE DON'T REALLY SAY WHEN THE QUARTERLY IS, BUT KIND OF INTERESTING CUZ THESE MEETINGS ARE QUARTERLY. 
          UM, IT ALMOST THOUGHT NOT TO BE THE SAME COINCIDING, CUZ I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE ARE DOING IS CATCHING EACH OTHER UP ON WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          SO MAYBE IT COULD BE LIKE IN BETWEEN THE MONTH, LIKE INSTEAD OF THE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO YOU LIKE, INSTEAD OF LIKE JANUARY, APRIL, JULY, OCTOBER, MAYBE BE LIKE, LIKE TWO MONTHS AFTER THAT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MARCH, JUNE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          SAID THEY'RE NOT, THEN THAT WAY IT KIND OF HAS COMMUNICATION BETWEEN BOTH OF OUR BODIES AT LEAST EVERY TWO MONTHS. 
          IS THAT, DO YOU ALL, DO YOU HEAR, I, I'M SAYING IT IN MY HEAD, BUT IS IT MAKING SENSE, LIKE INSTEAD OF IF THEY DO QUARTERLY, IF, IF DR. 
          DALEY PROVIDES US A REPORT QUARTERLY, IN THE SAME QUARTERLY, WHICH IS WHAT THIS MEETING IS, THEN YOU'D BE BASICALLY GIVING US 
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A REPORT ON SOMETHING THAT IT COULD BE SOMETHING THIS ETHICAL LIAISON MEETING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TOO. 
          SO, SO IS, IS THE OBJECTIVE, IS TO MAINTAIN SOME COMMUNICATION OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING ON WITH THE COUNTY AND AND THE TOWN. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT THE OBJECTIVE OF THIS REPORT? UM, RATHER THAN WAITING QUARTERLY WHEN WE ALL PUT TOGETHER AND THEN WE KIND OF GO, OH, WELL THAT'S BEEN A WHILE. 
          SO ARE YOU LOOKING AT HAVING THIS LIKE A MONTHLY REPORT OR NO, NO, I WAS SAYING QUARTERLY. 
          QUARTERLY. 
          I WAS SAYING YOU COULD KEEP THE QUARTERLY, I JUST MEANT MAYBE NOT THE SAME MONTH THAT THIS MEETING OCCURS. 
          OH, I SEE. 
          INSTEAD OF FISCAL YEAR QUARTER. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, KIND OF OFFSET IT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S ALL I WAS SAYING. 
          AND THEN THAT WAY YOU YEAH, YEAH. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          IF WE SUBMITTED THEM THE MONTH BEFORE THE MEETINGS, THEN YOU COULD LOOK AT THEM AND SEE ITEMS THAT YOU MAY WANT TO ADD TO THE AGENDA TO WELL, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          I AGREE. 
          THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          THAT'S WHY WE, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS SO WE CAN ALL TALK. 
          THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          YEAH. 
          MS. OATS. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN WE FIRST WERE ELECTED IN 2019, THE, THE ORAL REPORTS WERE GIVEN TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN A, IN THE MEETING AND THE PUBLIC MEETING. 
          THE LAST ONE THAT I THINK WE RECEIVED WAS SOMETIME IN 2020 DUE TO COVID. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT, BUT THEY WERE ORAL, THE BOARD OF THE, UM, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WOULD ATTEND A TOWN COUNCIL MEETING MM-HMM. 
           BECAUSE IT WASN'T JUST ABOUT PROVIDING IT TO EACH OTHER, BUT IT WAS ALSO PROVIDING IT TO THE COMMUNITY AT THE SAME TIME. 
          YEAH, I SEE THE VALUE OF THAT TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU'RE RIGHT, BECAUSE I, I WAS ELECT WELL I WAS APPOINTED THE EARLY 2020 AND I CAN REMEMBER OUR TOWN MANAGER AT THE TIME COMING TO A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, UM, MR. TERICK WAS THE TOWN MANAGER WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND HE CAME IN AND SPOKE. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. 
          UM, AND ACTUALLY I FEEL LIKE MR. STANLEY CAME TO A TOWN COUNCIL ME, BUT THEN, LIKE I SAID, MARCH HAPPENED AND YEAH, EVERYBODY'S WORLD FLIPPED UPSIDE DOWN. 
          SO, SO DO WE WANNA PUT ON, UH, DIFFERENT CALENDAR, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT MONTHS WHEN THE WE SUBMIT, SUBMIT THIS REPORT? UM, YEAH, LIKE YOU SAY, IT JUST SAYS QUARTERLY. 
          YEAH, JUST THE MONTH PRIOR, TWO WEEKS, THE MONTH LATER OUR MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL JUST ADD THAT TO IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO MY, YES. 
          UH, BUT SOMETHING THAT SUPERVISOR O SAID IS, DO WE WANT IT TO BE ORAL? DO WE WANT IT TO BE WRITTEN? BECAUSE THAT'S A VALID POINT TOO, IS THAT US GETTING A WRITTEN REPORT TELLING US WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE COUNTY, US GETTING IT IN AN EMAIL OR WHATEVER, UM, ISN'T REALLY INFORMING THE PUBLIC NOW. 
          THEN AGAIN, TOO, YOU FEEL LIKE THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE . 
          OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I I I BELIEVE IN COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, SO IF I, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WHAT WE JUST DESCRIBED HERE IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THESE REVISIONS AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE BOARD FOR US TO MAKE OUR, OUR VOTE IF WE WANNA APPROVE THE POLICY OR NOT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          IT HAS TO BE APPROVED. 
          SO AT THAT TIME WE CAN DISCUSS WHETHER PEOPLE WOULD RATHER IT BE ORAL. 
          EXACTLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WOULD THAT WORK OKAY. 
          IN THAT WAY, AS LONG AS JOHN CUBE PUBLIC GETS INVOLVED SOME WAY OR ANOTHER TO WHERE IT, I DON'T MIND ORAL, BUT I CAN READ JUST AS WELL. 
          BUT I'M, IF WE'RE NOT GIVING IT TO THE PUBLIC, THEN WE'RE MISSING A STEP AND WE GET ENOUGH HEAT AND AGGRAVATION FROM MISSING A STEP. 
          SO YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING ACTUALLY WHEN SHE SAID THAT, I WAS THINKING, YEAH, THAT IS TRUE. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WHOLE, I MEAN, ONE WOULD HOPE THAT EVERYBODY IS PAYING ATTENTION TO BOTH THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, BUT IT DOESN'T HURT TO HAVE THAT. 
          UM, AND WHAT I WILL SAY IS I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR ANYONE IF, SAY DR. 
          DALEY PROVIDED A WRITTEN REPORT AND THEN I, AND THEN I READ IT AT THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING. 
          LIKE THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULDN'T BE, UH, THE BEST THING. 
          IT'S NOT THE SAME THING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT ALSO SAYS IT'S NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD EITHER. 
          SO IT WOULD BE LITERALLY JUST, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, THE UP FOR DISCUSSION WILL BE IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL, AND THE BOARD IS EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE SAID AND THEN THE CHANGING THE WORLD TO WRITTEN. 
          AND AT THAT TIME PEOPLE CAN DISCUSS. 
          IT'LL GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO MAKE ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          THINK ABOUT IT. 
          YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT IT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ALL OUR BOARD MEMBERS HERE AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          THAT WORKS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          UM, 
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FOR SOME REASON, HEY, TINA, CAN I ASK, IS THIS IN THE BOX TOO, WHERE I CAN TAP ON IT? IT'S NOT, IS IT? OKAY. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA KEEP SCROLLING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO WAS THE DELAY OF THE MAILING OF REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX BILLS. 
          UM, SO I DON'T, I'LL JUST TELL YOU GUYS WHY THAT CAME UP WAS JUST THE FACT THAT WE HAVE HAD A DELAY IN THAT. 
          SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING, BJ DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO IT OR DO YOU, I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS SOMETHING, HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED ME TO SHARE THE CONCERN OR IF YOU ALL WANTED TO SHARE THE CONCERN . 
          SO, UM, THE TOWN'S, UH, REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX BILLS HAVE BEEN DELAYED FOR, UH, WELL NOT CONSECUTIVELY, BUT ON AND OFF, UH, FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS. 
          AND CONSIDERING, UH, CHANGING THE DUE DATE OR, UH, CHANGING THE, UH, DATES IN WHICH THEY'RE, UH, UH, IN WHICH, UH, CUZ RIGHT NOW OUR ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN TO WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE THE BILLS HAVE TO BE IN THE MAIL 20 DAYS IN ADVANCE. 
          I BELIEVE STATE CODE STATES IT'S 14 DAYS, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY CHANGE THAT. 
          UH, BUT FROM THE TIME WE RECEIVE THE FILES TO THE TIME WE CAN MAIL 'EM OUT, WE NEED SOME PROCESSING TIME. 
          UM, UH, CURRENTLY WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THE FILES UNTIL, UM, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR SETS THE RATES, UH, FOR THE TAXES. 
          THEN WE GET THE FILES USUALLY THE DAY OR TWO AFTERWARDS. 
          UM, AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO, TO PROCESS THE FILES AND GET 'EM TO THE PRINTER AND GET THEM MAILED OUT AND HAVE 20 DAYS, UH, TO HAVE THEM. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO GET ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT. 
          UH, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OF EITHER DELAYING THE DUE DATE, CUZ WE'D LIKE TO KEEP IT THE SAME AS, YOU KNOW, TOWN AND COUNTY. 
          IT'S NICE TO, IT'S CONVENIENT TO HAVE THE SAME DUE DATE. 
          UH, BUT WANTED TO GET THOUGHTS ON THAT OR, YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO GET, UH, WITH THE COMMISSIONER AND SEE WHAT SHE NEEDS TO DO TO GET THESE BILLS TO YOU QUICKER. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK CUZ SHE'S GOT THE CONTROL OF THE BILLS, UH, CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          NOW WITH, WITH THE ASSESSMENT THIS PAST YEAR, THAT DID DELAY THE PROCESS THAT YEAR. 
          YES. 
          BUT THE OTHER YEARS, UH, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE ASSESSOR GETTING THE COMMISSIONER RATHER GETTING THEM OVER AND WE CAN SIT DOWN WITH HER SOMETIME AND OKAY. 
          SEE WHAT WE NEED, WHAT WE NEED TO DO BECAUSE THE PERSON, THE PERSONAL PROPERTY ONE WAS 19, 20, 21, 22, 23. 
          SO ALL FIVE YEARS THAT ONE'S BEEN, WE'VE BEEN, WELL THERE WAS ONE YEAR WHERE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH WAS WHICH, IT'S REAL ESTATE FOR 22, WHICH WAS LAST YEAR ONLY CUZ I'VE GOT THIS RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU'VE GOT IT PULLED UP. 
          YEAH, I'VE GOT IT PULLED UP. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, AND I'M, UH, UH, AND I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT. 
          I JUST WANNA TRY TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE BEFORE NEXT YEAR. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO DO AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, UM, WE HAVE TO DO PUBLIC HEARING. 
          I WANNA TRY TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE BEFORE NEXT YEAR. 
          IS THE GOAL, OBVIOUSLY HAD YOUR, YOUR MAJOR PROBLEM HAS BEEN THE TWO YEARS WHERE THE ASSESSMENTS HAPPEN? NO, IT'S BEEN, AND THE ASSESSMENTS AS WELL BACK UP. 
          I MEAN, YOU DO ASSESS PERSONAL PROPERTY BUT YOU ASSESS REAL ESTATE AS WELL. 
          THAT'S, UH, THE REASSESSMENTS ARE EVERY FOUR YEARS. 
          UM, BUT IT'S, WE'VE HAD, UH, CONSECUTIVE DELAYS FOR, UM, LIKE I SAID, ON AND OFF FIVE YEARS. 
          BUT WE CAN TALK TO HER ABOUT GETTING THE, PARTICULARLY THE PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          UH, LAST YEAR WAS THE ONLY YEAR THAT THE BOARD TALKED TO THE COMMISSIONER ABOUT A LOWER RATE AND A LOWER ASSESSED VALUE FOR THESE VEHICLES. 
          AND THIS YEAR SHE USED THE SAME LOWER RATE. 
          UM, WE CAN TALK TO HER ABOUT WHEN SHE CAN GET THIS PACKAGE, UH, FROM THE GET IT TO YOU. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN WOULD YOU NEED IT BY? UM, WHAT THEY'RE DUE ON JUNE 5TH AND DECEMBER 5TH. 
          SO 30 DAYS NOW, YOU KNOW, USUALLY 20TH, USUALLY MID-APRIL IS WHEN WE ARE, UM, IS KIND OF LIKE THE, THE DROP DATE. 
          IF WE'RE GOING PAST MID-APRIL, UH, UM, THEN AT THAT POINT THAT'S WHEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA DELAY 'EM AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION CUZ WE NEED COUNSEL TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION FOR THE DELAY. 
          THAT, SO MID APRIL IS KIND OF THE, IS KIND OF THE GOAL IS WHEN WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE FILES. 
          THAT'D BE THE EXACT DO THEY REMAIL 'EM TO YOU FOR THE OCTO IN OCTOBER FOR THE DECEMBER BILL OR, UM, ONCE WE RECEIVED THEM, UH, FOR THE FIRST INSTALLMENT, WE ALREADY HAVE THE FILES FOR THE SECOND INSTALLMENT. 
          UM, NOW WE DO HAVE SUPPLEMENTAL BILLS THAT GO OUT. 
          UM, BUT THE SUPPLEMENTAL BILLS, UM, ARE UH, ARE A LOT LESS THAN MAILING OF THE, THE WHOLE TAX FILE MAY GO OUT MONTHLY. 
          DON'T TELL YOU. 
          UM, OUR SUPPLEMENTS ONLY GO OUT TWICE A YEAR. 
          WE SEND THEM OUT WITH THE BILLING CYCLES USUALLY. 
          SO, UH, BUT I'M, I MEAN, YES, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THOSE GO OUT, BUT THOSE AREN'T THE BIGGER CONCERN. 
          BIGGER CONCERN IS THE, YOU KNOW, BIG FILES AND SOMETHING HAPPENED WITH THE SOFTWARE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS, BUT SOMETHING HAPPENED CUZ I THINK WE WERE BOTH USING THE SAME SYSTEM. 
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BUT YOU HAD A REPRESENTATIVE. 
          SHE HAD A REPRESENTATIVE AND HER REPRESENTATIVE AND YOUR REPRESENTATIVE IN THE SAME OFFICE, SAME COMPANY. 
          WERE NOT TALKING. 
          AND TODD HAD TO GET THEM TOGETHER TO GET THEM TALK. 
          AND THAT WAS THIS YEAR. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN PROBLEMS, OTHER PROBLEMS. EVERY YEAR THERE'S BEEN DIFFERENT ITEMS. UH, YEAH. 
          AND I CERTAINLY ABOUT HOW SHE GET THESE OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT UNTIL WE HAVE IT FROM THEM, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          WE HAVE TO RECEIVE THE ACTUAL, WE HAVE TO RECEIVE THE ASSESSMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE, UH, IN ORDER FOR PROCESSING. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          YOU'LL TAKE THE, THE ACTION TO TALK TO WE'LL SOMETHING. 
          THANKS. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU BJ AND WITH, UH, THE COMMISSIONER. 
          OKAY, VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SEE WHAT WE CAN, WE TALKED ABOUT IT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AFTER THE LAST MEETING. 
          WE JUST HAD ANOTHER MEETING TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          SO SEE IF WE CAN GET A PROCEDURE AND THEN PROBABLY JANUARY, WE NEED TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT PROCEDURE , YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          YEAH, I AGREE. 
          UM, I'M SOUNDS GREAT TO ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO ITEM NUMBER THREE IS AN UPDATE ON TOURISM AND THE TOWN. 
          PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA SO THAT WE COULD JUST SHARE WITH YOU ALL, UM, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH US. 
          AND I BELIEVE MS. LIZZIE IS HERE. 
          SHE'S JUST GONNA GIVE A SHORTENED VERSION. 
          EVERYBODY. 
          THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW ME, I'M LIZZIE. 
          I'M THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM MANAGER FOR THE TOWN. 
          I'M ALSO THE LADY WHO RUNS EVENTS AND, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER ELSE THEY NEED. 
          UH, SO I WANTED TO, I THINK I MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE ENOUGH COPIES. 
          SO I ALREADY HAVE ONE OF MY BAGS, SO IF SOMEBODY NEEDS THIS OUT THAT WAY, I'D RATHER JUST STAY. 
          I BROUGHT EXTRAS. 
          JOE, JOE SAID I DIDN'T NEED THIS HONEY, BUT I DIDN'T BELIEVE THEM. 
           YOUR OWN COUNT RIGHT HAND TO TAKE PASS. 
          SO ON THE, THE MAPS, SO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR IN THE VISITOR CENTER, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECES OF PAPER WE GIVE OUT ALL THE TIME. 
          SO IF YOU ARE HEADED TO SKYLINE DRIVE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A LUNCH RECOMMENDATION, ANY NUMBER OF THINGS, YOU ARE GRABBING ONE OF THESE MAPS. 
          WE HAVE 'EM IN A TEAR OFF PAD. 
          THESE ARE THE BRAND NEW ONES THAT JUST CAME IN YESTERDAY ACTUALLY. 
          SO FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, THEY'RE IN COLOR, WHICH WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT. 
          UM, AND WE DID REFRESH THE INFORMATION. 
          WE'VE ADDED SOME NEW PLACES, NEW PLACES IN THE TOWN, NEW PLACES IN THE COUNTY, UM, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS UP TO DATE AS POSSIBLE. 
          NOW IS IT ALWAYS GONNA HAVE ALL THE THINGS? COURSE NOT RIGHT. 
          UH, BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO KEEP IT AS UP TO DATE AS WE CAN. 
          SO THE LAST TIME IT HAD BEEN REALLY REVISITED WAS ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO. 
          YEAH, A LOT OF IT HAPPENED IN THAT TIME. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IT ONCE EVERY SIX MONTHS. 
          UM, IT'S NOT A PERFECT SYSTEM, BUT WE'RE GONNA GIVE IT A GO. 
          WE ALSO ADDED A QR CODE IN THE BOTTOM CORNER THERE. 
          UM, WE GET SOME FOLKS WHO DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THAT PIECE OF PAPER. 
          A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE HIKERS AND WEIGHT COUNTS. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A PIECE OF PAPER, BUT THEY CLAIM IT'S A THING SO WE GO WITH IT SO THEY CAN SCAN THAT QR CODE AND HAVE ACCESS TO IT ONLINE AS WELL. 
          UM, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE DOING IN THE VISITOR CENTER, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONTINUING TO SERVE ALL OF THE VISITORS THAT ARE COMING INTO TOWN. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AVERAGING OVER 2000 PEOPLE PER MONTH COMING THROUGH THE DOOR. 
          WE KNOW WE'RE NOT COUNTING QUITE AS MANY AS THERE ACTUALLY ARE CUZ YOU DO MISS A FEW WHEN THERE'S 50 PEOPLE ON A BUS. 
          UM, BUT WE ARE, WE'RE CONTINUING TO GIVE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO ALL WE'RE ALL OF MY JOB IS, IS TO MAKE THAT EVEN BETTER. 
          UM, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'VE ADDED SOME NEW HANDOUTS, WHICH I BROUGHT 'EM, BUT I FORGOT TO BRING THEM UP. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE IS OUR MAIN STREET EATS GUIDE. 
          UH, WE GET TOUR BUSES ABOUT EVERY SIX WEEKS OR SO. 
          AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT 50 PEOPLE WHO ALL HAVE ABOUT AN HOUR AND 10 MINUTES TO EAT AND GO TO THE BATHROOM AND BUY SOMETHING. 
          AND SO THEY ALL WANNA KNOW RIGHT THEN AND THERE. 
          SO WHAT WE DID IS WE MADE A LITTLE MAP WITH A LITTLE DESCRIPTION OF A BUNCH OF THE DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS, UM, SO THAT FOLKS CAN EXPLORE ON THEIR OWN. 
          UM, BUT DON'T NECESSARILY ALL HAVE TO WAIT IN LINE TO HEAR THE EXACT SAME RECOMMENDATION TO GET CARROT CAKE IN THE MILK. 
          CUZ THAT'S WHAT DEBBIE WILL TELL YOU IF YOU COME IN, YOU HAVE TO GET THE CARROT CAKE IN THE MILK. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE CONTINUING TO ENHANCE OUR MARKETING PIECE. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THAT MAP, WE HAVE UNVEILED, UH, A NEW MARKETING LOGO. 
          UM, WE FEEL LIKE THIS TAGLINE REALLY ENHANCES WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT YOU TO SETTLE IN, BUT WE ALSO WANT YOU TO VENTURE OUT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA VENTURE OUT TO OUR PARKS. 
          YOU GOTTA VENTURE OUT TO THE CAVERNS, YOU GOTTA VENTURE OUT TO KAYAKING AND ALL THE OTHER ADVENTURES THAT WE HAVE HERE. 
          UH, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT. 
          BUT YOU'RE COMING BACK AND GRABBING A BITE TO EAT AND PICKING UP SOMETHING CUTE AT TURN MYERS OR WHITE PICKET FENCE OR THE APPLE HOUSE OR WHEREVER YOUR PREFERENCE IS. 
          UM, WE ARE WORKING ON MORE OF OUR MULTIMEDIA PIECE, SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF VIDEO PROJECTS IN A WHILE. 
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ACTUALLY, JUST SHOT ONE EARLIER THIS WEEK. 
          I HAVE NOT EDITED IT YET. 
          I WAS HOPING TO HAVE IT FOR TONIGHT, BUT DOG JUST DIDN'T HUNT. 
          UM, SO THE IDEA IS TO KIND OF PROFILE SOME OF OUR LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES AND GIVE FOLKS A FIRST PERSON LOOK AT WHAT THEIR, UM, WHAT THEIR PLACE IS. 
          AND SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO OUR TOWN EXPLORER PROGRAM. 
          I THINK WE'RE GONNA CALL IT. 
          I DUNNO, I HAVEN'T DECIDED. 
          UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE ARE WE DOING? I KNOW WE'VE, UH, WE'VE GOT A NEW VISITOR GUIDE COMING OUT, SO WE ARE, WE'RE UPDATING THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF BEING PRINTED. 
          TOWN COUNCIL. 
          GOT A WALK THROUGH THAT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT REALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE VISITOR CENTER. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO WHAT WE DO BEST AND WE'RE GIVING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UM, PROVIDING GUIDANCE FOR FOLKS. 
          WE DO THAT THROUGH OUR WEBSITE WITH CONTACT FORMS. WE DO THAT ONLINE BY PROFILING, YOU KNOW, THE APPLE HOUSE GOT VOTED BEST DONUTS IN VIRGINIA EARLIER THIS WEEK, SO WE WERE HAPPY TO AMPLIFY THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I KNOW, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          NOBODY'S ARE GETTING THAT. 
          AND WE, WE SEE THE EVIDENCE OF THAT. 
          PEOPLE COME BACK IN WITH THOSE HALF EMPTY CLAMSHELLS FULL OF BROWN SUGAR AND WHATEVER ELSE IS ON THOSE DONUTS. 
          DELICIOUS. 
          UM, THANKING US FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING TO AMPLIFY THE, THE HARD WORK THAT OUR COMMUNITY DOES. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY OUR MISSION HERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO PRINT ADS, WHICH WE DO AND WE CAN DO WEBSITE AND GOOGLE, WHICH WE DO. 
          UM, BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, IT'S REALLY THAT PERSONAL TOUCH OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO ENHANCE THAT IN EVERY WAY THAT WE CAN. 
          WE REALLY LIKED THE MAPS, DON'T YOU GUYS? AREN'T THEY COOL? THEY, THEY, THEY CUT EVERYTHING ON THERE TOO. 
          GREAT. 
          NOT EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A LOT. 
          IT'S A, IT WAS PRETTY UP TO DATE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO I THOUGHT. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, I, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT EVEN SOME NEW STUFF THAT HASN'T QUITE OPENED ITS DOORS YET, BUT WE KNEW WAS COMING. 
          SO I NEVER DO THAT. 
          I'M NOT THAT PERSON WHO TURNS THE CALENDAR A MONTH, YOU KNOW, A FEW DAYS AHEAD. 
          I DON'T DO THAT, BUT I DID IT THIS TIME. 
          SO HOPEFULLY IT WORKS OUT. 
          SO. 
          AWESOME. 
          SO, UM, VICE MAYOR FEEL LIKE, AND I HAVE HAD, WE'VE ALREADY HAD OUR OPPORTUNITY, BUT I JUST DID ANY, DID ANYBODY FROM THE COUNTY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR LIZZIE ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON OR COMMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO, THAT'S REALLY GOOD. 
          ANYBODY, ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, WE HAVE A SOCIAL MEDIA PAGE THAT CALLED DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL THAT HAD ABOUT 12,000 OR MORE FOLLOWERS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND TOURISM IN MY MIND, THIS BIG T WHICH IS ATTRACTING PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE AREA TO COME IN. 
          AND ONCE THEY GET HERE, THE HOSPITALITY IS FABULOUS, BUT IT'S GETTING THEM HERE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE TO DO THAT, BUT THAT'S THE BIG T, LITTLE T IS THE HOSPITALITY T SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY MOVEMENT ON MANAGING THE SOCIAL MEDIA SITE AND MAKING IT, KEEPING THOSE PEOPLE ENGAGED. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO WE, WE HAVE INCREASED OUR ENGAGEMENT IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, CANDIDLY, EVERYONE IN THE ROOM'S AWARE THAT THE, THE, THE TARGET'S BEEN A MOVING TARGET FOR A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO WE WEREN'T A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHERE WE WERE HEADED, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY'S ON MORE CLEAR FOOTING NOW. 
          UM, SO INCREASING THAT ENGAGEMENT, AMPLIFYING THOSE LOCAL STORIES AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF CULTIVATING MORE STORIES THAT WE GENERATE IN ORDER TO PUSH OUT INTO THAT GREATER GUESS. 
          BIG T WOULD BE THE CORRECT TERM FOR THAT. 
          THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME HERE, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE UNDERSTANDING. 
          SO, UM, ABSOLUTELY WE'RE, WE'RE CONTINUING TO WALK IT IN THE PATH THAT WAS CREATED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. 
          UM, HONORING THAT PAST, BUT STILL MOVING US FORWARD INTO A NEWER CHAPTER. 
          AND AS THINGS LIKE, UM, THE, UM, FESTIVAL LEAVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND OUR CHRISTMAS PARADE. 
          AND I RECOGNIZE THE CHRISTMAS PARADE IS REALLY MORE ABOUT US AND THE FIREMAN'S PARADE WAS REALLY MORE ABOUT, I WANNA SAY US, BUT LIKE MEANING OUR COMMUNITY, WARREN COUNTY FRONT ROYAL, SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE, UM, FESTIVAL LEAVES AND STUFF THAT DOES BRING OTHER PEOPLE IN OR ANY OF LEAVES, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          SURE. 
          AND THINGS LIKE APPALOOSA. 
          YES. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, I DON'T MEAN TO LEAVE ANYTHING OUT. 
          NO, NO. 
          CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S TONS THAT'S THAT'S OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE A VARIETY OF EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES THAT DO DRAW PEOPLE IN FROM ALL DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, PARTS OF THE WORLD. 
          UM, AND ACTUALLY WE'VE BEEN PUTTING EVEN MORE OF A SPOTLIGHT ON HONORING OUR AT HIKERS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF HIKERS THAT COME THROUGH AND UM, FOLKS WHO WANNA HAVE THAT OUTDOOR ADVENTURE. 
          AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THOSE NEEDS AS WELL. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND I FORGOT TO MENTION 
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WITH THE NEW LOGO COMES FREE STICKERS, SO FEEL FREE TO DROP INTO THE VISITOR CENTER. 
          WE'LL GET YOU A STICKER. 
          AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE WAS SHARING TOO, THAT I, AND I'M NOT REALLY A TOURIST, SO I DON'T REALLY GO TOO MANY PLACES. 
          I SEEM TO BE HERE, AS MY HUSBAND SAID ALL THE TIME, I, YOU CAN'T GET HER OUT OF TOWN. 
          BUT THE WHOLE IDEA OF PEOPLE GETTING THE STICKERS OR THE STAMPS OR WHATEVER, THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY INTO THAT WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WANT, WANT TO COLLECT THOSE. 
          SO I FOUND THAT INTERESTING. 
          THAT'S ALMOST LIKE A, WELL THEY SAID THAT WAS WE DO AT SCHOOL. 
          I'M SORRY THAT WAS POKEMON TOO. 
          WELL THIS IS TRUE. 
          THIS IS TRUE. 
          BUT YES, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T HACKED THE POKEMON GO THING YET. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW TO LEVERAGE THAT INTO TOURISM YET, BUT WE'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THANK YOU LIZZIE. 
          YEAH, OF COURSE. 
          HAPPY. 
          I, QUICK QUESTION NOW DON'T WE HAVE ARPA FUNDS THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THIS TYPE OF THING THAT WE COULD JOINTLY USE TOGETHER? AND ON SOME LEVEL, I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE YOU PAYING FOR, WHAT ARE WE PAYING FOR? WHAT, HOW CAN WE DO THE BEST JOB THAT WE CAN TO USE THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO THAT SEEMS, I HAVE AN ANSWER. 
          I'LL, I'LL LET IT TAKE THAT ONE. 
          SO WE HAVE AN ARPA GRANT MM-HMM. 
           TOURISM GRANT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS, UM, TO THE COUNTY, UH, REQUIRED APPROVAL BY THE TOWEL REQUIRES A JOINT THING. 
          WE CREATED A BUDGET PROPOSAL FOR THAT. 
          AND PART OF THAT WAS THE WORK AT THE VISITOR CENTER. 
          PART OF IT WAS THE WORK AT, UM, AND BY WORK I MEAN REMODELING. 
          I DON'T, AND PART OF IT WAS THE DEVELOPMENT OF A TRAIL AT AVTEX. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WHICH HAS ITS OWN OTHER ISSUES WE'LL TALK ABOUT. 
          BUT, UH, I THINK JOE AND LIZZIE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THIS BUDGET AND DECIDE HOW THEY WANT TO REALLOCATE IT TO BRING IT BACK JOINTLY TO THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY SO THAT YOU CAN USE IT FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S GONNA FIT ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES AND THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS HERE WE COULD PUT IN A CATEGORY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF IT THAT WE CAN'T, WE COULD GET THAT DONE. 
          IF YOU AND JOE GOT TOGETHER AND CAME UP WITH A NEW BUDGET THERE, I THINK THAT COULD BE DONE TO THE TOWN AND TO THE COUNTY AND IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO BOTH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          IT DOES HAVE A TIMELINE. 
          YES, IT DOES THIS YEAR. 
          UM, BUT THE, UM, JOE'S HERE, HOW MUCH IS THIS JOE? IT'S, UH, $170,000. 
          IF WE DON'T USE, WE LOSE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR TOO. 
          NOT FISCAL. 
          SO DECEMBER 30, DECEMBER, 2023. 
          YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO I HAVE TWO OF THEM NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND WORK ON THE BUDGET. 
          SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, JOE, WOULD YOU WORK WITH LIZZIE, YOU KNOW, AND SET UP THE MEETINGS? WE WORK ON OUR CALENDARS BACK HERE. 
          WE CAN DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          PERFECT. 
          YEAH. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          JOE AND I KNOW EACH OTHER. 
          OH GOOD. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          SO I WOULD INCLUDE CARRIE OR SOMEBODY FROM THE COM, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO JUST WEIGH IN. 
          THOSE PEOPLE WERE DEEPLY INVOLVED IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSALS AND KNOW THE, THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE A RE UH, A FRESH LOOK. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MAKING THIS? JOE WAS GONNA, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I WAS CURIOUS IF THE COUNTY COULD GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THEIR TOURISM OR MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING BE SILENT. 
          WE'RE JUST REQUEST GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          PROVED THE POSITION A COUPLE DAYS AGO. 
          GOTCHA. 
          . 
          WELL, AND I WILL SAY TOO, LIKE I, I KNOW THAT, UM, I KNOW THE, THAT CUZ WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING INTO THE VISITOR CENTER, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TELLING THEM ABOUT EVERYTHING AND YOU KNOW, AND LIKE, YOU LIKE ADVENTURE. 
          LET'S BE HONEST. 
          WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE BOAT LAND, LIKE WE HAVE SOME THINGS IN TOWN, BUT YOU KNOW, GOLFING IS GOING ON SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, SO THEY'RE ENCOURAGING ADVENTURES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, NOT JUST, WE STILL ANSWER THE PHONE. 
          THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY VISITOR CENTER. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT DIDN'T CHANGE THERE. 
          NONE, NONE OF THAT. 
          THE SIGNAGE IS STILL THERE. 
          ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. 
          WE'RE, WE ARE ONE COMMUNITY HERE 
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AND WE REALLY WANNA FOSTER THAT TOO IS THE WORKING TOGETHER BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE WILL, WHAT BENEFITS ONE OF US IS GONNA BENEFIT BOTH OF US. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YOU KNOW? ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S, UM, ABSOLUTELY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OUR TOURISM DUE, WE'LL GET THAT. 
          ACTUALLY JUST WALKED IN THE DOOR. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT THERE WAS AN INITIAL VIDEO THAT, UH, CARRIE BARNHART, UH, EDITED AND THAT WAS AN AWESOME VIDEO. 
          IT WAS A DISCOVER FRONT ROW VIDEO. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN IT RECENTLY. 
          I WAS WONDERING IF IT'S STILL OUT THERE. 
          I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          COUNCIL ROCKPORT, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WHICH VIDEO YOU'RE REFERRING TO. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT THAT IS, I DON'T EITHER THAT, THAT WENT TO WHAT DOLORES WAS BRINGING UP, THE BIG T AND UH, SO, UH, MAYBE SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS WHERE IT IS. 
          CAN, I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN IT, YEAH, IT'S ABOUT A MINUTE LONG MAYBE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, UH, IT'S, IT, IT, IT STARTS OUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING AWAY FROM THE GRIND DOWN IN THE CITY. 
          OH. 
          JUST LIKE YOUR OWN VIDEO. 
          I DID SEE THAT ON THE WEBSITE. 
          SHE JUST SAID CARRIE JUST WALKED IN. 
          SHE SAID IT WAS ON THE WEBSITE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, WE NEED TO UTILIZE THAT. 
          SURE, ABSOLUTELY. 
          IF WE'RE ALLOWED. 
          YEAH. 
          IT HELPS EVERYBODY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU'RE ON HERE YET EITHER, . 
          LUCKY YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, OKAY, SO ITEM NUMBER FOUR WAS AN UPDATE ON THE SADDLE CREST PROJECT AND THE COUNTY PUT THIS ON, ON THE AGENDA, BUT I'M ASSUMING IT'S BECAUSE YOU WANT AN UPDATE FROM US, RIGHT? IS THAT THE OKAY. 
          KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          GOTCHA. 
          I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND. 
          JOE, WHO IS THE BED? I THOUGHT I FIGURED IT WAS LAUREN, BUT HONESTLY I WASN'T SURE WHO ALL WAS IN THE ROOM. 
          I NEED GO. 
          WHAT IS THAT? THAT ACROSS THE MDR PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SEE I DON'T KNOW IT BY THAT NAME. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS FOR A, A 43 ACRE REZONING. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY ON JUNE 27TH. 
          THEY SUBMITTED REVISED PROFFERS TO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL $200 PER UNIT, UH, TO GO TOWARDS A, UM, BUT NONE THE OTHER PROFFERS CHANGED. 
          UM, THEY'VE ALSO SUBMITTED A, UH, THERE'S A CONCEPT A AND A CONCEPT B ON THE OFF CHANCE THAT THE, UM, UH, EAST BUS CONNECTOR PORTION OF THE F R L P IS NOT DEDICATED IN TIME FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING WHEN COUNCIL MAKES IT. 
          HOW MANY HOMES? I'M SORRY, 128, IS THAT LESS THAN ORIGINALLY PROPOSED? ORIGINALLY, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 134. 
          446 OR SOMETHING. 
          WELL, IT WENT DOWN AND WENT DOWN AGAIN. 
          YEAH, I THINK IT'S GONE DOWN TWICE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           SOMEWHERE IN THERE. 
          THERE WAS A ONE 30, BUT I WAS THINKING IT WAS 1 33, BUT SO IT WENT DOWN WITH THAT DEDICATION OF FIVE ACRES OR FIVE AND A HALF ACRES FOR A POTENTIAL FLYOVER. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT'S THE, THAT WAS AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING IN DECEMBER. 
          SO THEY CAME BACK TO THE TABLE WITH THE LAND DEDICATION AND THEN AREAS FOR TRAILS AND GREEN SPACE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I KNOW THAT ITEM NUMBER 10 IS GONNA BE AN UPDATE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION AD HOC COMMITTEE, WHICH I FEEL LIKE THERE'S LOTS OF CONVERSATION, UM, ABOUT THE, UH, THE IMPACTS ON TRANSPORTATION, UH, WITH THAT PROJECT. 
          SO I'M GUESSING THAT THIS WILL COME UP AGAIN LATER ON WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS. 
          BUT, UM, I'M SORRY, WE COULD MOVE THAT. 
          LET HER TALK DOWN. 
          UM, TRANSPORTATION. 
          WELL THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH TRANSPORTATION IS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH SATURN WORK IN THE ROAD. 
          GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT, WE CAN SKIP DOWN TO NUMBER 10. 
          I WAS GOING TO, UM, AND LAUREN, YOU CAN SPEAK TO IT. 
          AND I WAS ALSO GONNA ASK, UM, SUPERVISOR CALLERS BECAUSE YOU WERE AT THAT, UM, MEETING I KNOW YESTERDAY. 
          AND THE TWO, OUR TWO MEMBERS OF, UM, COUNSEL THAT SERVE ON THAT COMMITTEE AREN'T HERE THIS EVENING. 
          SO I FIGURED BETWEEN, I WAS, I WAS THINKING SHE COULD SPEAK, BUT LAUREN, YOU YOU GOT ASKING, YOU WERE THERE TOO. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF Y'ALL BOTH WANNA TALK ABOUT IT, UM, DO YOU WANT HER TO START AND OR DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE TALKING ABOUT IT OR DO YOU WANNA DO I FEEL COMFORTABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YOU'D LIKE TO START GIVEN TO SUMMARY. 
          I CAN, WELL, IT WAS, IT WAS, UM, MS COLORS, LIKE DO YOU, DO YOU MIND SHARING WHAT HAPPENED AT THE, OR WHAT'S GOING ON WITH TRANSPORTATION? BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, DR. 
          DALEY, THAT IS THAT THAT SEEMS TO 
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BE THE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT, THAT'S THE HIGH TOPIC. 
          AND I, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE, AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I'M SURE LOTS OF PEOPLE WILL WANT TO HEAR INFORMATION. 
          SO HEY, WHY DON'T YOU PULL THAT OVER JUST SO SHE  I CAN. 
          THAT'S OUR MAKESHIFT PODIUM WORKS WELL. 
          UM, WE DID MEET YESTERDAY AND UH, WE HAD MATT SMITH FROM DDOT AS WELL THERE, THE NORFOLK SOUTHERN GENTLEMAN WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND. 
          WE HAD, UM, TWO DIFFERENT, UM, LANDOWNERS, UM, WHAT IS THE ROCKLEDGE? YEP. 
          ROCKLEDGE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND, UM, THEN, UM, MR. ANO WITH UH, FRONT ROW LIMITED PARTNERS TRYING TO KEEP ALL THESE DIFFERENT F R P. 
          YEP, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YES. 
          AND, UM, FLAN FROM NV. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE HAD THREE OF THE DEVELOPERS OR OWNERS, POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS THERE, VEDO. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE MRS. OATS AND I WERE THERE REPRESENTING THE COUNTY, MRS. MORRISON. 
          AND, UM, MR.  FOR THE COUNCIL. 
          IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD MEETING. 
          WE HAVE GOOD CONVERSATION AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UM, EVEN THOUGH MR. BENTLEY COULDN'T BE THERE FROM NORFOLK AND SOUTHERN, THE, WHAT WE HAD HOPED TO DO WAS WORK TOWARDS WITH THE DEVELOPERS AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING ACROSS THESE, UH, PROPERTIES TO BUILD THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE, WE HAVE IN THE WORKS A STUDY AND LAUREN'S GONNA GIVE THE NUMBERS TO VDOT OF WHAT THEY NEED TO SEE. 
          CAN WE GET AWAY WITH JUST A TWO LANE ROAD VERSUS A ROAD SIMILAR TO WHAT LEACH RUN IS? UM, OUR HOPE IS A TWO LANE. 
          YOU WE, IF THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A MAIN THOROUGH FED, THIS IS AN AUXILIARY ROAD TO ROUTE AROUND, UM, WHERE WE HAVE PROBLEM AREAS THERE. 
          SO WE'RE HOPING THE TWO LANE ROAD IS WHAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO. 
          BUT V KNOTT'S DOING THE STUDY, THE STUDY'S NOT COSTING US ANYTHING. 
          AND THAT WILL GIVE US AN OF WHAT THE ROAD NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE TO HANDLE THE CAPACITY AND THEN ALSO THE REVENUE OPTIONS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO, TO MAKE THIS KIND COME THROUGH. 
          ALL OF THIS IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. 
          WE'RE IN BABY STEPS, THE TRAIN LINKS, WHICH WE WERE THINKING THAT WE COULD GET UP TO MARY SHADY LANE ON PHASE ONE, BUT THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF THE TRAINS ARE ONE TO TWO MILES, BUT THEY CAN BE MORE THAN TWO MILES LONG. 
          SO THAT IS, UH, LONGER THAN THE DISTANCE BETWEEN 6 0 6 AND MARY SHADY LANE. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GET PAST THAT TO KNOW THAT IF THAT TRAIN STOPPED, THAT BOTH OF THOSE ROADS WOULD NOT BE BLOCKED AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO THAT KIND OF KNOCKED THE PROPS OUT OF US A LITTLE BIT, THINKING WE COULD GET TO PHASE ONE AND BE ABLE TO ROUTE AROUND THE POSSIBILITY OF THE TRAIN BLOCKING 6 0 6 AND NOT HAVING AN ALTERNATE ROUTE THERE. 
          UM, SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, HE DID SAY THAT PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE TRAIN BLOCKAGES, UM, THE TRAIN ENGINEERS HAVE TO GO ON, UM, A LENGTH OF TIME THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DRIVE, MUCH LIKE TRUCK DRIVERS. 
          THEY HAVE LOGS THAT THEY CAN'T DRIVE ONCE THEY HIT THAT LOG, HOUR HOURS THEY'VE GOTTA PULL OVER AND SLEEP. 
          THEY CAN'T DRIVE. 
          TRAINS ARE THE SAME THING. 
          AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF. 
          SO WHEN THEY HIT THAT MAGIC NUMBER AND THEY HAD TO STOP AND THEY LITERALLY STOPPED WHERE WHEREVER, AND THEY CAN'T MOVE THAT TRAIN AGAIN UNTIL THEY BRING ANOTHER ENGINEER IN AND THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM. 
          IT MAY TAKE HOURS TO GET THE SECOND ENGINEER THERE TO MOVE THE TRAIN, BUT THEY HAVE DONE INCENTIVES AND THINGS TO HELP BRING YOU YEAH. 
          BOLSTER THEIR STAFF. 
          SO THEY'RE HOPING THAT'S GONNA BE ALLEVIATED. 
          BUT I THINK THAT'S UM, A LITTLE BIT OF WISHFUL THINKING. 
          CUZ I KNOW, UH, BENTONVILLE WHEN 6 49 WITH THE NEW CULVERT WAS BEING PUT IN AND WE WERE REROUTING THE FIRST TWO DAYS OF THE REROUTING, BOTH THE DETOUR ROUTES IN BENTONVILLE AND TON WERE BLOCKED ABOVE DRAIN FOR ABOUT 45 MINUTES. 
          SO IT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN, BUT IT'S BEEN A VERY POSITIVE, UM, THE DEVELOPERS ALL LOVE THAT WE'RE GETTING TOGETHER AND WE'RE TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. 
          INSTEAD OF ONE PERSON OVER HERE TALKING AND ANOTHER PERSON OVER THERE TALKING, WE'RE ALL AT THE SAME TABLE TALKING AND TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. 
          EVERYBODY'S WORKING VERY COOPERATIVELY TOGETHER. 
          AND AT THIS POINT, UM, EVEN IF VDOT COMES BACK AND SAYS, HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED AND 
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YOU NEED TO GET INTO THIS PROGRAM, IT'S GONNA BE TWO YEARS. 
          WE CAN APPLY TO ONE PROGRAM AND ANOTHER TWO YEARS BEFORE BECAUSE THEY GO IN TWO YEAR CYCLES. 
          SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF. 
          I WISH I COULD SAY IT IS, BUT IT'S, THE POTENTIAL IS THERE FOR IT TO BE 10 YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          DEPENDING ON THE REVENUE SOURCE. 
          IF IT'S REVENUE CHAIN AS A BUILD OUT, YOU MEAN BILL, LIKE THE WHOLE WHOLE ROAD WOULD BE, YOU GET THE PLAN TO GET THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, MUCH LIKE THE FLYOVER, THE FLYOVERS BEEN BEING WORKED ON SINCE WHAT, 2015? SINCE I GOT, SINCE WE WERE ELECTED. 
          AND UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MATTER OF GETTING THE MONEY, REVENUE SHARING. 
          IF, IF YOU GET INTO A REVENUE SHARING THAT CAN GO A LITTLE FASTER THAN APPLYING FOR SMART SCALE OR ONE OF THE OTHER SOURCES. 
          SO IT JUST, IT WE'RE WAITING ON THAT STUDY HE TOLD US, UM, THAT MIGHT BE AS MUCH AS SIX MONTHS AND IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. 
          ONCE GIVES YOU NUMBERS THAT THAT SHOULD, SO THE INITIAL REQUEST FROM VDOT WAS A PARCEL MAP. 
          SO WE FURNISHED THE PARCEL MAP, BUT THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO CALCULATE, BUILD OUT. 
          I CAN'T GIVE THEM A BUILD OUT ESTIMATE. 
          I KNOW WHAT OUR COMP PLAN IS GONNA SAY. 
          SO NOW THAT WE'VE HOPEFULLY REMOVE THE COMP PLAN FORWARD AUGUST, UM, I CAN GIVE HIM A FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THAT AREA THAT I THINK IS A LITTLE MORE ACCURATE THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD UP TO THIS. 
          DO THEY NEED ACTUAL NUMBERS? THEY NEED, THEY CAN DERIVE THOSE NUMBERS BASED OFF OF, BASED OUR FUTURE LAND USE, UM, CATEGORIES. 
          AND SO LIKE ONCE WE WRITE IN SOME OF THE, UH, ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, YOU HAVE ALL THE DIFFERENT DESIGNATIONS. 
          ONCE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, I THINK THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PULL MORE ACCURATE NUMBERS. 
          SO YOU JUST SAID ZONING ORDINANCES, . 
          I KNOW WE HAVEN'T STARTED ON THAT. 
          I'M STILL WORKING ON THE I NO, NO, NO. 
          THAT WASN'T AT ALL. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT, LAUREN. 
          I'M NOT SURE AS LONG AS YOU HAVE NUMBERS OF WHAT THE POTENTIAL OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          CUZ I WAS GONNA SAY IF THEY'RE GONNA BE WAITING UNTIL WE HAVE THAT DONE, DONE BE MONTHS SO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE ZONES ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE, WE CAN DERIVE DENSITIES FROM THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          BEFORE YOU ADOPT. 
          BUT YEAH, WE'RE COMING UP WITH THE NUMBERS NOW. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          GOOD. 
          I MEAN, CUZ THE SOONER WE HAVE A STUDY, IT BASICALLY STARTS THE PROCESS. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          WE CAN'T START IN SETTING, THIS SETTING WILL TELL US WHERE THE ROAD SHOULD TERMINATE OR THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. 
          UM, AND IT'LL TELL US. 
          I MEAN, AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING. 
          IF WE WANNA DO TOO LANE AND WE WANNA HAVE DITCH SECTIONS THAT OCCUR BETTER, THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE CODE CHANGES. 
          SO WE NEED TO HAVE AN AWARENESS OF THAT AS WE'RE WRITING THE NEW CODE. 
          I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE, I KNOW THIS ISN'T THE SADDLE CREST PROJECT, BUT IT'S THE SAME CONCERN, UM, OR WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US. 
          I, AND I KNOW THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT TOO, LIKE TALKING TO, UM, VDOT ABOUT GETTING LIKE A, AN ACCESS ANOTHER WAY, AN ACCESS ONE TO 66. 
          REMEMBER HOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY? THAT THAT 66 IS FEDERAL ROAD, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          VDOT, YOU KNOW, TO MAINTAIN IT MM-HMM. 
          , BUT IT'S FEDERAL ROAD. 
          SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF ASKING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MAY WE DO THIS. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO WE WERE THAT IS IN THE WORKS WITH VDOT TAKING CHARGE OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW THAT BUT THERE'S NO ETA ON WHEN YOU GET AN ANSWER FOR THAT. 
          NO. 
          IF AN EMERGENCY WERE TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW, THEY COULD PULL UP WITH WHAT FIRE AND RESCUE WANTS TO DO IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A GATE PUT INTO THE GUARDRAIL UHHUH AND YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S GONNA SAY ANYTHING TO THEM IF THEY PULL UP ON THE GRASS MEDIUM AND WALK OVER THE, UM, GUARDRAIL, BUT TO ACTUALLY CUT AN ENTRANCE INTO IT AND THEY, TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A VEHICLE, AN AMBULANCE RIGHT. 
          TO MAKE IT A MORE, UM, ACCESSIBLE, FREQUENTLY ACCESSIBLE VERSUS SAY THE SIREN GOES OFF THE NEXT FIVE MINUTES AND THERE'S, UH, AN INCIDENT DOWN THERE IN THE TRAINS BLOCK AND THEY COULD PULL UP AND TRY TO MITIGATE IT. 
          BUT TO, TO WANNA PUT IN INFRASTRUCTURE THERE. 
          WE GOTTA HAVE A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS TO WORK. 
          SO, BUT VDOT IS TAKING THE LEAD ON THAT. 
          SO IT'S, THERE'S NOTHING THAT NEED, THERE'S NOTHING NEED TO DO. 
          NO, THEY'RE DOING ALL THAT. 
          THEY HAVE TO DO ALL THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE WORKS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALSO CONSIDERABLY MORE EXPENSIVE TOO, JUST FOR THE, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. 
          WELL, DID, IT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING LIKE, UM, AN EXIT RAMP OR ANYTHING. 
          IT WOULD JUST BE MORE OF YOU, 
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YOU SEE WHERE THE CUTOFFS ARE PERIODICALLY WHERE STATE POLICE CAN SURE. 
          GO FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. 
          SIMILAR TO THAT, THERE'S PLACES DOWN IN, UH, THE FAIRFAX AREA WHERE THEY HAVE REMOTE CONTROLS THAT THERE'S A GATED AREA AND UH, THE EMERGENCY PERSONNEL HAVE WHERE THEY CAN CLICK IT AND GO THROUGH, BUT NOBODY ELSE CAN. 
          BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PERMISSION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DO ANY OF THAT STUFF. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE MORE OF CUTTING, UM, AN AREA FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SAFELY GET UP THERE AND THEY, THEY JUST HAVE TO HAVE THE PERMISSION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT LIKE I SAID, IF, IF SOMETHING CAME UP RIGHT NOW, NO MORE THAN IF THERE'S A CRASH AND THEY SHUT DOWN 66, WHATEVER LANES THEY NEED TO SHUT DOWN TO MITIGATE THAT, IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THAT. 
          BUT YOU JUST CAN'T PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN TO MAKE IT A MORE PERMANENT SITUATION WITHOUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTI? OKAY. 
          I DO. 
          I KNOW, UM, THE LAST LIAISON MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT PHASES AND I RECALLED, UM, UH, MS. MORRIS WAS SAYING PHASE ONE WAS GONNA BE A LOT MORE OF A, A SHORT TERM SOLUTION TO GETTING EMERGENCY ENTRANCE OUT OVER THERE. 
          AND THEN PHASE TWO WAS THE LONG TERM OF WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT AND UNDERSTANDING THAT PLANS CHANGE. 
          YOU KNOW, SO I WAS WONDERING, ARE WE STILL FOCUSING ON AN INTERN SAFETY EMERGENCY ENTRANCE? AND I KNOW THAT WAS INVOLVED TALKING TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND, UM, AND IF THAT'S NOT DOABLE ANYMORE, I, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND YEAH. 
          HAS THAT GONE AWAY OR HAS THAT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW WITH, AS IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          UM, KRISTEN DOM OWNS THE PROPERTY AND I THINK, UM, WE HAVEN'T HAD A LIAISON PERSON FROM THERE RECENTLY, SO I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM. 
          THEY WOULD CONSIDER LETTING US PARK A VEHICLE POSSIBLY SO THAT IF OUR PERSONNEL HAD TO GO UP THE MEDIAN STRIP AND WALK OVER, THEY COULD GET IN A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AND RIDE DOWN TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IF THERE WAS NO VOLUNTEERS THERE. 
          AND THAT'S 66. 
          YOU WERE, THAT'S 66. 
          BUT, BUT THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE, OUR PRIVATE, UH, HOME, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M JUST GETTING CAUGHT UP TO SPEED. 
          THAT'S ALL WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT WELL THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY, IT'S NOT A DOABLE SOLUTION OF THEM GIVING UP SOME RIGHT AWAY JUST SO WE CAN HAVE IT. 
          NO, CHRIS DON'S NOT WILLING TO DO THAT. 
          THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER, UM, THAT THE LAST I WAS TOLD SAID NO, HE WILL NOT LET HIS LAND BE USED AS AN ACCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE SO THAT NO LONGER THERE ANYMORE. 
          SO NOW WE WE'RE INTO PHASE TWO, NOW WE'RE FOCUSING ON . 
          OKAY. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL THAT'S DISAPPOINTING. 
          UM, SO CUZ I THOUGHT THAT WAS AT LEAST SOMETHING THAT WOULD, THAT WE WERE PRETTY CLOSE TO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          THINGS HAPPENED. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          YES. 
          DIP YOU ARE NUMBER FIVE IS THE UPDATE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, UM, AND THE TOWN. 
          PUT THIS ON ON THERE SO WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU ALL WHAT'S GOING ON WITH US. 
          SO, SO WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT THE WORK SESSION LAST WEEK, THAT WAS BEEN JULY 10TH, UM, COUNSEL DECIDED THAT WE, I GUESS WE'RE READY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD HOPEFULLY FOR ADOPTION IN AUGUST. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT IT AS IS CROSSED. 
          AND THEN, UM, RIGHT NOW I AM WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANTS SUMMIT. 
          I'M WORKING ON A TIMELINE AND JUST KIND OF A OVERALL PLAN FOR THE REWRITE OF THE SUBDIVISION AND ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WILL COME AFTER THIS. 
          SO IDEALLY I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT WOULD BE SIX TO NINE MONTHS. 
          I CAN'T PROMISE SIX NINE BECAUSE THE COMP PLAN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN 18, I THINK IT WAS AN 18 MONTH PROJECT. 
          DIDN'T, THE ENTIRE CONTRACT WAS INITIALLY 18 MONTHS, BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 
          SO, BUT IT'S OKAY CUZ IF YOU WANNA DO IT RIGHT, TAKE YOUR TIME TO GET IT DONE. 
          SO, UM, ANYWAY, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE TOWNS COMP PLAN? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I DO NOT. 
          FINE. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, NUMBER SIX WAS THE CITIZEN APPOINTMENT TO THE FRONT ROW. 
          WARREN COUNTY JOINT TOWING ADVISORY BOARD. 
          AND I, I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. 
          WE ALL KNOW, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S BEEN ON A COUPLE OF THESE. 
          UM, SO, 
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UM, AND JUST THIS IS MORE FOR A SUMMARY FOR ANYBODY WATCHING. 
          DURING THE JANUARY, 2023 MEETING, STAFF ADVISED THAT THERE WAS AN OPENING FOR A CITIZEN REPRESENTATIVE ON THE BOARD PER SERGEANT TRAVIS CAVE OF THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND MEMBER OF THE BOARD. 
          THERE WAS ONE APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY A CIVILIAN EMPLOYEE AT THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE THROUGH THE CITIZENS APPOINTMENT PAGE OF THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE A FEW MONTHS AGO. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYTHING'S HAPPENED SINCE THEN, UNLESS YOU ALL KNOW SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW. 
          DO YOU ALL KNOW ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, I, I CAN JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          A LITTLE. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHEN THAT CAME IN, YOU KNOW, WE WERE IN A TRANSITION. 
          YEP. 
          YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          SO, UH, SO YES, UH, WE, THE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE RECEIVED THE APPLICATION FOR THE CITIZEN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE EMBASSY THEY STILL WANTS TO SERVE ON. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, SO WE'RE WORKING TO TRY TO GET IN TOUCH, TOUCH WITH HIM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN I THINK WE, I I, WE STARTED IT LAST WEEK AND THEN I THINK WE FOLLOWED UP WITH IT. 
          SO, BUT SEE WE ONLY RECEIVED ONE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? YOU KNOW, UM, WHO I WISH I COULD SAY TO YOU, OH YES, WE'VE GOT LINES OF PEOPLE THAT WANNA SERVE ON OUR STUFF, BUT IT'S JUST NOT, NOT HAPPENING THAT WAY. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE ARE, IT IS ADVERTISED ON OUR WEBSITE AS, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE CITIZEN APPOINTMENT. 
          AND CAN IT BE FROM, UM, I, I FEEL LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT, BUT I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE REST OF THE INFO IN THERE CUZ BEFORE WE'VE GOTTEN THAT OTHER STUFF ON THERE TOO. 
          BUT DOES THE CITIZEN APPOINTMENT HAVE TO BE FROM THE COUNTY OR THE TOWN OR IT CAN BE, OH, WELL OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S FROM THE TOWN, THEY'RE ALSO FROM THE COUNTY. 
          DOES THIS HAVE TO BE A COUNTY PER, DO YOU KNOW THE CITIZEN APPOINTMENT? IT COULD BE EITHER. 
          IT COULD BE IN PERSON LONG OUT THERE. 
          SO, UM, I MEAN THE ONLY THING THAT I COULD SAY IS THAT WE COULD, I MEAN WE COULD ADVERTISE THIS ON OUR WEBSITE TOO. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD HELP. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU THINK THE PERSON THAT'S APPLIED WOULD BE A GOOD RIGHT PERSON, THEN OBVIOUSLY IF THEY WANTED, AND I'VE ALSO REACHED RESPOND. 
          YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, I, UH, I'VE ALSO REACHED OUT TO UH, UH, SERGEANT KATE, I THINK. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO, WE'VE BEEN SAYING PHONE TAGS BECAUSE WHEN I TALKED TO HIM WHEN I CALLED LAST WEEK ABOUT THIS, UM, HE WAS ON HIS FOUR DAY ROTATIONS OFF AND I JUST THOUGHT HE DESERVES TO HAVE GOTCHA. 
          FOUR DAYS OFF. 
          OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO ANYWAY, UH, SO I WILL, YOU KNOW, UH, CONTINUE MAKE SURE THAT WE START REACHING OUT. 
          I'VE HAVE SOME IDEAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ELSE WE COULD DO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , LIKE THE GOING TO THE SHERIFF'S CAP MEETING OR YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY HAVE THE CITIZEN. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SEEING IF THERE'S THAT THEY COULD POST IT TOO AS, OH, ACTUALLY THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA BE MY NEXT COMMENT WAS THAT IF, HOW ABOUT YOU FOLLOW UP WITH THE PERSON THAT WAS INTERESTED? OKAY. 
          WE'LL KEEP GOING. 
          AND IF YOU FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, OVER THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS OR MONTH OR WHATEVER THAT YOU'RE NO, I KNOW, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW. 
          YOU NEVER KNOW. 
          BUT I WAS JUST SAYING IF YOU FIND OUT THAT YOU'RE LIKE, NO, THIS, THIS PERSON ISN'T INTERESTED, THEN IF YOU ALL SEND US WHATEVER YOU PUT ON YOUR WEBSITE, WE SURE WE COULD PUT IT ON OURS AND CERTAINLY SEE OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT I TRY TO DO DURING THE MAYOR'S REPORT. 
          IF THERE'S OPENINGS. 
          I'LL SAY IT AT THE MEETING TOO, THAT IT'S SO THAT IT'S ALSO ONE. 
          SURE. 
          I'LL DO THAT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M JUST THINKING, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT ALWAYS BRINGS ABOUT A TON OF PEOPLE, BUT, BUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR A SMALL WAY TO GET INVOLVED BEFORE THEY DECIDE THEY WANNA GET INVOLVED. 
          BIG. 
          AND SO THIS MIGHT BE, DO YOU KNOW HOW, HOW MANY TIMES DO THEY MEET? IS IT FOUR TIMES A YEAR? TWICE A YEAR? I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S EVEN THAT. 
          I THINK IT'S ONLY ON A IS NECESSARY. 
          IT'S NECESSARY. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT IT, I BELIEVE IT'S QUARTERLY. 
          IS IT QUARTERLY? YEAH. 
          I WAS THINKING, I WAS THINKING WHATEVER I READ BEFORE IT WAS LIKE THAT, IT WAS LIKE THEY HAD TO MEET SO MANY TIMES. 
          UM, THAT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR US TO, UM, THAT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR US BOTH IF WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONLY NEED FOUR TIMES YEARS. 
          AND PEOPLE DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, CAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE, I DON'T WANT A WEEKLY COMMITMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL CONTINUE TRYING TO CONTACT US, UM, CANDIDATE AND STILL AND CONTINUE TO REACH OUT TO FIND SOME OTHERS AND, UM, LET US KNOW IF THERE'S SOMEONE THAT YOU KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          IF SOMEBODY CONTACTS EITHER ONE OF US. 
          JOE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO OFFER? I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS APPLICANT IS NOT INTERESTED, JUST LET ME KNOW. 
          WE CAN PUSH IT OUT ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA AND OUR WEBSITE AS WELL. 
          CAUSE IT'S A JOINT BOARD, SO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO JUST, 
          [01:00:01]
YEAH. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN EVEN DO THAT TOMORROW IF I HAD THE INFORMATION. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I THINK YOU SHOULD BECAUSE WE, WE'VE BEEN CONTACTING THIS GENTLEMAN, HE'S BEEN GOING ON TWO WEEKS. 
          WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY RESPONSE. 
          WE'RE NOT GETTING NO PROBLEM. 
          NOT A PROBLEM. 
          REALLY INTERESTED. 
          HE WOULD RESPOND. 
          SO WE'LL LOOK AND SEE WHATEVER YOU ALL HAVE ON YOUR SURE. 
          WEBSITE SO IT CAN LOOK LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE. 
          AND MAYBE EVEN SAY THIS ONLY MEETS SO MANY TIMES A YEAR AND MM-HMM. 
           AND I WANNA SAY, IS IT, DOES ANYBODY KNOW? I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS APPOINTMENT IS FOR THE FULL TERM THOUGH. 
          BECAUSE THE ONLY REASON WHY THIS IS AN OPENING IS BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT WAS ON IT RESIGNED. 
          RIGHT. 
          TINA? WHEN EMILY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          SO IT MAY NOT EVEN BE THAT IT'S LIKE A LONG TIME. 
          IF IT'S, IF IT'S ONLY FOR ONE YEAR, YOU COULD THROW THAT IN THE ADVERTISEMENT TOO. 
          SO. 
          WE'LL, IS IT A FULL TERM? I THINK SO. 
          WE'LL, I'LL TRY. 
          WE'LL FIND, SO WE'LL JUST, WE'LL JUST DOWNLOAD THE APP AND, AND WE'LL SEND IT TO JOE, WHAT THEIR DESCRIPTION IS AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL START. 
          THANK YOU WORKING TOGETHER TO YEP. 
          FIND OUT A CANDIDATE. 
          FIND SOMEBODY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ALL. 
          SO THE NEXT ITEM WAS THE DISCUSSION OF THE REVITALIZATION OF THE EY, UH, ST. 
          MYERS YOUTH CENTER AND THE TOWN. 
          PUT THAT ON THERE JUST BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT. 
          UM, SO WE, UM, REACHING OUT NOW CAME AND, UM, PRESENTED TO US AND THE VERY NEXT AT OUR WORK SESSION. 
          UM, AND THEN THE VERY NEXT NIGHT THEY PRESENTED TO YOU GUYS AT YOUR WORK SESSION. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND TOWN COUNCIL HAS TALKED ABOUT IT AGAIN. 
          WE, YEAH, WE HAD ANOTHER WORK SESSION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT TOO. 
          SO WE JUST WANTED TO SEE LIKE, WHERE THE COUNTY WAS WITH THIS. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WATCHED OUR WORK SESSION LAST WEEK. 
          UM, NOT THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO WATCH SESSION, ALTHOUGH I GENERALLY WATCH ALL'S NEWS. 
          BUT JUST TO STAY, JUST TO STAY, JUST TO STAY IN, UM, IN, IN KNOWLEDGE. 
          UM, BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT IT LAST WEEK AND JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE TOWN'S ROLE WOULD BE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND BECAUSE THE TOWN CITIZENS, THE, ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD GOTTEN HAD BEEN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TOWN FUNDING, COUNTY FUNDING AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          BUT I JUST WANTED TO HEAR WHERE YOU GUYS WERE WITH IT CUZ LAST WEEK THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE REPAIRS THAT WERE BEING MADE. 
          AND I COULD BE WRONG, JEFF, CORRECT ME OR WAYNE, SOMEBODY CORRECT ME. 
          THEY MADE IT SOUND LIKE IT, IT WOULD, COULD POSSIBLY BE OCTOBER BEFORE THERE WOULD EVEN BE THE BUILDING MIGHT EVEN BE READY. 
          AND I KNOW, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT WAS NOT THE COUNTY TALKING, THAT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          SO I, YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY'RE GOING TO IT YET. 
          YES. 
          UM, LET'S HOPE. 
          RIGHT? LIKE OF COURSE I KNOW . 
          YES, WE DO. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE HAVE ABOUT FOUR ITEMS WE'VE GOTTA DO DOWN THERE. 
          WE NEED A NEW, UH, HVAC SYSTEM, UH, THAT'S ON ORDER. 
          WE NEED TO, UH, REMOVE THE ASBESTOS IN THE FLOORING AND THEN PUT IN A NEW FLOOR THAT'LL COME AFTER WE GET THE HVAC. 
          UH, WE NEED TO GET OUT SOME RETRAIN CHANGE THE, UH, SEWAGE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A T AND WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT TO A Y. 
          UH, THAT AGAIN WILL START ON THAT. 
          BUT THE MAIN THING IS THE HVAC. 
          UH, AND THEN WE ALSO NEED TO, WE'VE GOT SOME SMALL AMOUNT OF MOLD IN THERE AND WE'LL GET THAT MOLD OUT. 
          UH, THE EARLIEST, WHEN OUR TALKS WITH RON AT THIS POINT, THE EARLIEST IS GONNA BE NOVEMBER. 
          AND THAT'S NOT A FIRM COMMITMENT UNTIL WE GET A, UH, DELIVERY DATE FROM THE HVAC CONTRACTOR. 
          THE REST OF THIS WE CAN WORK AROUND, BUT WE'VE GOTTA HAVE THAT HVAC SYSTEM CONTRACTOR IN THERE. 
          SO IT'S A TOWEL ON THE FLOOR THAT HAS ASBESTOS IN IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           W SEALED. 
          WELL WE THOUGHT ABOUT SEALING IT, UH, AND JUST COVERING IT. 
          THEY ASKED US NOT TO DO THAT. 
          THEY BEING OUR MAINTENANCE STAFF BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEN THEY, ANYTIME THEY CLEAN THE FLOOR, THEY RISK DISRUPTING IT. 
          OH. 
          IS WHAT THEY TOLD US WHEN THEY LOOKED AT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THAT CUZ THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO, UH, COVER IT JUST TO SEAL IT AND COVER IT. 
          THEY TOLD US THAT WOULDN'T WORK. 
          UH, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AGAIN, BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW IS THAT IT NEEDS TO COME OUT. 
          [01:05:01]
WE'LL LOOK AT THAT PART AGAIN. 
          BUT THE BIG THING IS THE HVAC AND THERE'S ADDITIONAL ASBESTOS IN THE MECHANICAL ROOM THERE. 
          SO'S RIGHT. 
          IT HAS GOTTEN IN THE VENTILATION SYSTEM THERE THAT WELL, I'M NOT AN ASBESTOS SPECIALIST. 
          NOPE. 
          I'M NOT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I'M NOT AND THAT'S DEFINITELY ONE OF THEM. 
          I'M NOT. 
          BUT I WILL SAY ONE THING I THINK THAT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT KIDS AND PARENTS AND YOU SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, LIKE, I THINK TO MYSELF, GOTTA BE PARENTS START HEARING, WELL THERE'S ASBESTOS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE, SO IF THERE'S ALARMS ARE GONE, YEAH. 
          ALARMS ARE GONNA GO OFF. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT'S, SO I, I CAN SEE WHY YOU, YOU WOULD BE LEANING MORE TOWARDS REMOVAL INSTEAD OF COVERUP OR NOT, YOU KNOW, SEAL IT OR WHATEVER. 
          BUT ANYWAY, ANYWAY, MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR WHO SUGGESTED THAT AFTER REVIEWING THE FLOOR AND LOOKING AT IT, BUT WE'LL, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AGAIN. 
          SO EARLIEST IS NOVEMBER MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          AND RON IS AWARE OF THAT. 
          WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH RON AND WHAT OUR SCHEDULE IS REACHING OUT NOW. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN, RIGHT? YES. 
          WHEN YOU SAID REACHING OUT NOW, WHEN YOU SAID RON EARLIER, I THOUGHT, I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE RON THAT WORKS FOR THE COUNTY IN THE, IN THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT. 
          I WAS LIKE, WONDER WHO THAT IS. 
          I CAN ASK. 
          SAME THING. 
          OK. 
          CAUSE I WAS LIKE, WELL WONDER WHO RON IS. 
          I'VE NEVER HEARD. 
          UM, BUT ANYWAY, BUT THAT'S GOOD THEN FOR HUMOR. 
          UM, BUT I WILL SAY ONE THING ABOUT LIKE JUST ANY GETTING ANYTHING DONE NOWADAYS, IT FEELS LIKE, I MEAN LIKE OUR PAVILION, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE OUR PAVILION, LIKE WHAT WE WERE THINKING, IT'S MUCH FURTHER, IT FEELS LIKE I, YOU KNOW, GETTING, GETTING SUPPLIES AND GETTING THE PEOPLE TO COME IN AND DO THE WORK AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT BEST CASE SCENARIO ISN'T ALWAYS THE SCENARIO. 
          SO. 
          WELL THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW BECAUSE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE, THOSE WERE, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE WERE TRYING AS, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT IS UM, WITH FUNDING BECAUSE, UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, CUZ YOU WERE AT THE SAME MEETING I WAS ORIGINALLY RIGHT? THE FIRST MEETING THAT YES, THE THREE OF US WERE THERE AND JOE WAS THERE TOO. 
          UM, AND ORIGINALLY THE, THE PROPOSAL WAS $50,000 FOR THE TOWN FOR THE FIRST YEAR AND THEN $50,000 FOR THE TOWN FOR THE SECOND YEAR. 
          AND THEN THE MOST RECENT PROPOSAL WAS LIKE $25,000 NOW AND $50,000 IN JANUARY AND THEN $50,000 IN JANUARY OF LIKE 2025 OR SO. 
          IT ACTUALLY WAS IT THEN IT ENDED UP BEING $125,000 VERSUS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          AND I, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS KIND OF LIKE ABOUT THE INITIAL MONEY IS THAT, UM, CUZ IN THE PROPOSAL I, THE MONEY FROM THE TOWN WAS GONNA COVER LIKE SALARY FOR A PERSON THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON THEY WANTED WORK THERE YEAH. 
          PERSON THAT THEY WOULD HAVE WORKING THERE THAT, CUZ WE, WE KNOW THE IDEA IS GONNA BE EVENTUALLY VOLUNTEERS HELPING, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU GOTTA HAVE SOMEBODY THAT YOU KNOW IS GONNA SHOW UP EVERY NIGHT, WHETHER NO MATTER WHAT, YOU KNOW. 
          SO, BUT I KEPT THINKING, WELL WE YOU ARE NOT REALLY NEEDING TO HIRE SOMEBODY WHEN YOU CAN'T GET IN THE BUILDING YET. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD TOO. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WERE LIKE WE WOULD, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING THAT SAYS THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID, IF THE, IF THE TOWN MOVED FORWARD, IT WOULD BE THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, THIS MONEY AND AT THE END OF THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULDN'T BE FUNDING IT ANY FURTHER WITH THE HOPE THAT AT THAT POINT THE ORGANIZATION WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, RAISE THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO KEEP IT GOING. 
          THAT WAS THE IDEA. 
          UM, CUZ RIGHT NOW THIS IS ALL KIND OF A CONCEPT. 
          YEP. 
          IT'S NOT COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW YEAH. 
          IT'S A TWO OR TWO AND A HALF YEAR PROJECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          TO SEE IF IT'S GONNA WORK. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I KNOW IN JUNE WHEN THEY WERE TALKING TO US, THE IDEA WITH, I MEAN THEY, THEY WERE ANTICIPATING THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO START BEFORE THE SCHOOL YEAR BEGAN. 
          BUT, UM, BUT I'M, I'M SURE AT THAT POINT NOBODY REALLY KNEW WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN IN THE BUILDING JUST QUITE YET. 
          ALL THE, ALL THE, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          REPAIRS OR NOT REPAIRS, BUT WHATEVER IT IS, UPDATING IT OR WHATEVER WAS GOING ON IN THE BUILDING. 
          SO, UM, ANYWAY, I'M TRYING TO THINK. 
          UH, VICE MAYOR C CAN YOU THINK OF ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE HAD? NO, NOT REALLY. 
          I KNOW, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE ASKING. 
          WE, A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD LAST WEEK REACHING OUT NOW WAS ABLE TO ANSWER. 
          BUT AGAIN, 
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SOME OF THE STUFF WAS ABOUT THE BUILDING AND WE WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, NEEDED TO HEAR THAT FROM WHO WAS EVER DOING THE BUILDING. 
          I KNEW THERE WAS LIKE PLUMBING AND I HEARD THE MOLD MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BUT I'M, AND SOMEBODY DID MENTION ASBESTOS, BUT ANYWAY, AND THE OTHER ONE I DIDN'T MENTION MA'AM, WAS THE, UH, SECURITY WE'RE GONNA YEAH. 
          WORK ON THE SECURITY. 
          THERE WERE FILE ITEMS THERE WORKING ON SECURITY OVER FOR THAT, UH, FACILITATE. 
          AND I WANNA SAY SECURITY WAS ACTUALLY, THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ON OUR WAS FIREARM. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY HAD ON US, US. 
          LIKE THE, THE THINGS THAT WE WERE PAYING OR WHAT WAS IN THE PROPOSAL, I WANNA SAY SECURITY WAS, IT WAS THE SALARY AND SECURITY. 
          RIGHT JOE? NO, NO SECURITY. 
          JUST SALARIES, JUST SALARY. 
          AND THEN LIKE THE SECOND YEAR WAS LIKE FURNITURE AND SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE WE WERE LIKE, FOR US, FOR US IT WOULD LIKE THE BUILDING TYPE STUFF, WE WOULDN'T BE MM-HMM. 
           DOWN WOULDN'T BE PARTICIPATING IN THAT PART OF IT. 
          CAUSE IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOUR ALL'S BUILDING IF YOU ALL WOULD BE DOING WITH EVERYONE. 
          THERE WAS SOME I WAS ADMITTED. 
          THEY ADMITTED THAT. 
          UH, ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          THERE WAS SOME FLUFF IN THE UTILITIES AND THEIR NUMBER WITH THE UTILITIES, THEY THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME FLUFF IN IT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS PEOPLE ASKED WAS, SO IN THE BUDGET, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS, YOU'RE NOT THE BUDGET YOU GOT PRE YOU WERE PRESENTED THE SAME PROPOSAL WE WERE. 
          SO, BUT YES, YES. 
          WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO RIGHT. 
          TO DO THE MAINTENANCE OF THE IONS TO RIGHT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WAS THE, UM, UTILITIES, THANK YOU. 
          BLESS UTILITIES. 
          SO IN THE PROPOSAL IT SAID A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH FOR ELECTRIC AND UTILITIES. 
          RIGHT. 
          COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT WAS A THOUSAND NUMBER FOR HALF A YEAR WAS 6,000. 
          I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH. 
          SO DO YOU KNOW, IS THAT WHAT, BECAUSE YOU ALL JUST GOT OUT OF THAT BUILDING IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS ANYWAY. 
          DO YOU KNOW HE'S, I WOULD ASK, UM, HE'S NOT HERE, BUT I WOULD ASK MR. WILSON, HE'S GOT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          WE CAN FIND OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAN IT WAS WE'VE BEEN OH, OKAY. 
          I GOTCHA. 
          YEAH. 
          HE WOULD, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING COST. 
          YES. 
          JUST A QUESTION TO, TO OUR, OUR COUNTY PARTNERS HAVE YOU AN ESTIMATE OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT THREE, FOUR MONTHS UP UNTIL NOVEMBER WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT HAVING A LOT OF THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING COMPLETED, HAVE YOU GOT AN ESTIMATE IN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT COUNTY'S SPENDING ON, ON THAT FACILITY? ROUGHLY? WE'VE GOT SOME IDEAS OF WHAT IT'S GONNA BE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          CAN YOU SHARE THAT? UH, THE, THE HVAC SYSTEM IS GOING TO BE, UH, CLOSE TO 50,000. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THE REST OF IT'S STILL PRETTY NEBULOUS YET. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THAT'S THE, THAT'S, SO WE'VE GOT ASBESTOS REMOVAL, CONTAINMENT OF SOME, SOME SORT THAT'S IN CHANGING THE SEWAGE SYSTEM HERE. 
          YES. 
          AND DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE ASBESTOS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND THEN THE SECURITY, UH, THEY HAD A PROPOSAL THEY MAY HAVE BROUGHT INTO THE TOWN ON SECURITY. 
          UH, THAT'S MORE THAN, UH, MR. JONES AND HIS DEPARTMENT FEEL IT SHOULD BE. 
          SO THEY'RE GONNA WORK ON SOME ALTERNATIVES, SEE WHAT THAT CAN BE. 
          UH, WE'RE ESTIMATING TOTAL THAT WE'LL HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THAT BUILDING BEFORE WE'RE DONE. 
          SIR, HAS THAT BEEN BUDGETED OR ARE YOU WE HAVE A CAPITAL BUDGET FOR OUR BUILDINGS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WE DIDN'T HAVE IT DESIGNATED FOR THAT BUILDING. 
          YES SIR. 
          UH, WE, WE HAD IT DESIGNATED FOR THE NEXT, UH, EMERGENCY IF YOU WILL. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THAT HAPPENS. 
          UH, BUT IN THIS CASE, THIS BUILDING CAME UP AND THIS WILL BE THE INITIAL PIECE OF THAT FUND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST FOR MY INFORMATION, WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY CLOSE TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS INVESTMENT MM-HMM. 
           BEFORE THE DOOR IS OPENED. 
          UH, SO YOU'RE READY TO OPEN THE DOOR? YES, SIR. 
          IS WHAT IT WOULD BE. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF I MAY, I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT. 
          UM, BUT THAT ALSO WILL ADD TO YOUR ASSETS. 
          RIGHT? SO EVEN THOUGH, EVEN IF THEY, EVEN IF REACHING OUT NOW PULLS OUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU STILL HAVE THE VALUE OF ALL THE THINGS YOU'RE PUMPING INTO THAT BUILDING THAT'LL LAST WAY LONGER THAN, THAN THE ORGANIZATION ITSELF PROBABLY. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          THE BOARD HAS, UM, BEEN TALKING TO US ABOUT THE NEED TO DEVELOP SOME TYPE OF A YOUTH FACILITY FOR TODAY'S YOUTH AND WHAT EXACTLY THAT IS. 
          WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT 
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WITH THIS PROPOSAL, UH, THAT COMING FORWARD, UH, WE, WE, WE WERE EVEN LOOKING AT A, UH, OPIOID GRANT TO LOOK AT A PLANNING GRANT THAT'S, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          AND WHEN THEY STEPPED FORWARD, WE DIDN'T NEED THE PLANNING GRANT AT THIS TIME. 
          IT'S AVAILABLE EVERY QUARTER. 
          SO WE'LL WAIT INSTEAD OF DOING THAT AND SEE IF THIS, WE BELIEVE THIS WILL COME TO FRUITION, HAVING TALKED TO THEM THAT THEY WILL MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND HOW LONG IT GOES AND HOW IT WORKS OUT IN THREE YEARS MAY BE ANOTHER THING. 
          BUT INITIALLY WE WILL HAVE THAT TO FACILITY, WHICH, UH, IF THEY CONTINUE TO PROSPER, LIKE WE HOPE THEY WILL, THAT'LL GO. 
          IF IT DOESN'T, AT SOME POINT THEY DECIDE IT DOESN'T WORK FOR THEM, THEN WE'LL BE LOOKING AT STILL HAVING THAT FACILITY AVAILABLE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO USE FOR THAT PURPOSE. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          WE NEEDED TO DO THE WORK IN THE BUILDING ANYWAY. 
          I THINK YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT'S, I I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY IS BE FOR THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, YOU WERE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT ANYWAY. 
          AND I WILL SAY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU LEFT OUT WAS MOLD. 
          BUT HERE'S THE THING IS I THINK IF YOU GET YOUR HVAC SYSTEM THAT'S GONNA PROBABLY, THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S GONNA CORRECT YOUR, SOME OF IT. 
          YEAH. 
          OR AT LEAST THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE. 
          WHEN WE HAD A MOLD ISSUE ONE TIME AT SCHOOL WAS IT WAS HVAC, IT WAS TOO MUCH MOISTURE. 
          IS THE TOWN RECEIVING OPIOID ABATEMENT MONEY? NO. 
          YOU ALL GET THE COUNTY, IT'S ONLY COUNTY. 
          YEP. 
          THE WHOLE TIME. 
          IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE COUNTY. 
          UM, I THINK YEAH, I I THINK THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT LIKE, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS, LIKE IF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET SOME OF THAT, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S THE WAY IT WAS DIVIDED UP BECAUSE WE'RE A TOWN INSIDE OF A COUNTY. 
          THE COUNTY GETS THE MONEY. 
          RIGHT. 
          MR. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE DRUG COURT MEETING ONE TIME, BUT WHERE IT IS AT THIS POINT, UH, SOME OF THE EACH, EACH SETTLEMENT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT MA'AM. 
          BUT AT THIS POINT IT'S BEING DIVIDED TO THE STATES AND TO THE COUNTIES INCENTIVES. 
          UH, THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE, UH, REALLY BIG WINS, INCLUDING OTHER JURISDICTIONS. 
          UH, BUT THEY HAVEN'T, THAT HASN'T COME DOWN YET. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK BECAUSE WE ARE NOT LIKE A, WE ARE NOT A CITY THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE, EVEN THOUGH THE TOWN, WHEN ALL THIS WAS IN THE INITIAL STAGES, WE HAD TO PASS A, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A RESOLUTION. 
          I CAN'T, WE YEAH, WE HAD TO DO, IT WAS WHEN, UH, MR. NAPIER WAS WITH US. 
          WE HAD TO, WE HAD TO DO, UH, A RESOLUTION AND SOME PAPERWORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEY HAD SAID AT THAT POINT, ANYBODY WHO DIDN'T WOULDN'T GET ANY, BASICALLY ANY PIECE OF THE PIE. 
          AND SO WE FILLED OUT ALL, WE DID ALL OF THAT, BUT IT REALLY WASN'T, WE, IT DIDN'T MATTER CUZ WE WEREN'T GOING TO, THE TOWN WASN'T GONNA GET ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY TO IT. 
          IT WOULD BE THE COUNTY WOULD BE GETTING THE MONEY. 
          WELL, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT AT THE DRUG COURT MEETING. 
          COULD THIS PROJECT, COULD THIS PROJECT, IF FOR EXAMPLE, REACHING OUT NOW BROUGHT IN, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF THEY DID, UM, PROGRAMS AND PROVIDED INFORMATION TO YOUTH ABOUT, UM, DRUGS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          IF WE, IF, IF THAT WAS PART OF THE, I WON'T SAY CURRICULUM, BUT WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY, WHAT THEY ARE GONNA END UP DOING, IF THAT WAS PART OF THIS, WOULD, WOULD THAT HELP US QUALIFY FOR ANYTHING EXTRA THROUGH THE OPIOID ABATEMENT? WELL, IT WON'T BE EXTRA. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT OH, BUT WE'RE RESEARCHING GO AHEAD. 
          WE WOULD BE ABLE TO UTILIZE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS FOR THE PROJECT, BUT WE WOULDN'T GET ADDITIONAL FUNDS SPECIFIC. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT, BUT THE MONEY THAT WAS ALREADY GONNA BE COMING TO THE COUNTY. 
          ALRIGHT, THIS IS TOTALLY OFF TOPIC, BUT THIS IS NOT UNLIKE ME TO GET OFF TOPIC. 
          SO, UH, MY QUESTION IS THE MONEY THAT WE'RE, THAT, THAT THE COUNTY'S GONNA GET, DO YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT YOU'RE USING IT FOR SOMETHING OR IS IT FLAT OUT THEY'RE GONNA GIVE IT TO YOU? NO, YOU HAVE TO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, SO A PROJECT LIKE THIS, IF WE COULD MAKE IT WORK, THEN IT WOULD BE TO THE COMMUNITY'S BENEFIT BECAUSE IT, WE COULD USE, I SAY WE, BUT Y'ALL COULD USE THAT MONEY TOWARDS THE BUILDING OR, OR SOME OF THE OTHER EXPENSES FOR THIS. 
          AND WE'RE LOOKING MORE INTO IT. 
          UM, BUT IT'S MAINLY GEARED TOWARDS PROGRAMS. SO WE'RE NOT SURE WHETHER LIKE THE ACTUAL BUILDING REPAIRS WILL BE ABLE TO BE UTILIZED, BUT, UM, MORE SO PROGRAMMING AND UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT 
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WE'RE CONTINUING TO BASICALLY GO DOWN THAT PATH OR EVEN SOME OF THE SALARY. 
          I'M JUST THINKING LIKE IF YOU HIRED SOMEBODY THAT COULD PROVIDE PROGRAMS MM-HMM. 
          , UM, YOU KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          INTERESTING. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          BUT WE TOLD, UH, RON WAS IF THEY COULD DEMONSTRATE THEY PUT A PROGRAM TOGETHER MM-HMM. 
           THAT WAS ELIGIBLE, THEN THE BOARD COULD CONSIDER USING SOME OF THE FUNDS FOR THAT PROGRAM. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WE'VE ALSO TOLD THE COALITION MM-HMM. 
          , IF THEY HAVE A ABATEMENT PROGRAM, A RELIEF PROGRAM THAT THEY'D LIKE TO PRESENT THERE, THEY ALL WANNA KNOW A DOLLAR AMOUNT AND WE DON'T HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT BECAUSE EVERY TIME THERE'S A DIFFERENT SETTLEMENT YEAH. 
          THE NUMBER CHANGES. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SURE RIGHT NOW, BUT IF THEY HAVE A PROGRAM, THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT BEING ABLE TO USE SOME OF THESE MONEY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE OUT THERE, LIKE WITH JUST SAYING LIKE DARE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          RIGHT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THERE ARE COMPONENTS TO THAT. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE DARE PROGRAM WORKS WITH FIFTH GRADERS AND THEY ONLY DO SO MANY LESSONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           JUST, YOU KNOW, IT USED TO BE THEY DID IT FOR MONTHS, LIKE FROM SEPTEMBER TO DECEMBER, AND THEN THE GRADUATION WAS IN JANUARY. 
          NOW I THINK IT'S LIKE MAYBE SIX LESS THAN SEVEN. 
          I MIGHT BE STRETCHING MAYBE EIGHT, I'M NOT SURE. 
          BUT I'M JUST THINKING THERE MIGHT EVEN BE PROGRAMS OUT THERE THAT THEY COULD USE THAT AND JUST ALMOST LIKE, TAKE IT TO A DIFFERENT LEVEL. 
          NOT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT, LIKE THE LESSON THAT THEY MAY WE WERE DOING WITH FIFTH GRADERS, UM, THAT HAS TO BE SQUEEZED INTO 40 MINUTES. 
          THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT SAME IDEA AND DO A LARGER SCALE. 
          BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND, I THINK WE ALL, WE ALL, WELL I I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT, I'M SURE YOU ALL WOULD TOO. 
          THIS PARTICULAR YOUTH CENTER WOULD SERVE EVERY CHILD IN THE COMMUNITY, YOUTH, ALL THE YOUTH. 
          AND NOT EVERY CHILD IS GONNA BE IN THE DARE PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY'RE, THAT'S A PUBLIC SCHOOL PROGRAM. 
          LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE IT IN THE PRIVATE SCHOOLS OR HOMESCHOOL. 
          SO IT MIGHT BE THAT, IT MAY BE THAT THEY COULD TAKE THAT VERY SAME PROGRAM AND JUST OFFER IT THERE FOR KIDS THAT AREN'T ALREADY GETTING IT. 
          MA'AM. 
          ALSO, WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THAT, THAT ONCE WE GET THROUGH MAINTENANCE AND GET A REAL YOUTH PROGRAM GOING, THERE IS A VARIETY OF GRANTS AVAILABLE MM-HMM. 
          , UH, FOR NOT ONLY STARTUPS, BUT FOR CONTINUATION. 
          UH, SO THAT ONCE THOSE DOORS GET OPEN, ONCE THAT INITIAL MONEY IS SPENT, UH, THERE'S A WHOLE WORLD OF OPPORTUNITY THAT THAT, THAT OPENS UP TO US TO SUPPORT THAT THAT CAN OFFSET ANY KIND OF EXPENSE ON THE COUNTY OR, OR THE TOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REACHING OUT NOW WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, YOU WERE, AGAIN, YOU BOTH WERE AT THAT MEETING, WAS THAT I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING UP UNTIL NOW FOR THEIR PROGRAM HAS BEEN GRANT. 
          I THINK IT'S EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE RAISED MM-HMM. 
          . 
          RIGHT? ISN'T THAT WHAT SHE TOLD US? YEAH. 
          IT'S ALL BEEN THROUGH FUNDRAISING. 
          SO THERE, THERE'S PROBABLY OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE EVEN FOR THEM TO, TO THAT THEY JUST HAVEN'T HAD, HAVEN'T, UM, HAVEN'T UTILIZED YET, BUT MAYBE IT'S OUT THERE. 
          SO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT ABOUT THE YOUTH CENTER THAT WE, UM, SO I, I THINK IF I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE EARLIEST THAT THERE COULD BE A POSSIBILITY OF OPENING A DOOR WOULD BE NOVEMBER. 
          CORRECT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THIS IS JULY, SO WE GOT A LITTLE TIME MM-HMM. 
          , WE GOT IT. 
          SO IT YEAH. 
          AND WE'RE NOT PROMISING NOVEMBER AND WE TOLD THEM THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          CUZ IT DEPENDS UPON THESE SCHEDULES. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT'S THE EARLIEST WE COULD SEE IT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO IT'S BETTER TO SAY PROBABLY JANUARY, BETWEEN NOVEMBER TO JANUARY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OR MARCH OR APRIL. 
          THE, UM, DEPENDING UPON EXACTLY WHEN EVERYTHING IS DONE, IT MAY BE THAT IT WORKS FOR THEM BEST TO START THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          VERY. 
          AND SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WANTED TO DO, LIKE GET KID, UM, GET, UH, YOUTH INVOLVEMENT AND THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO THE KIDS WANT? YEAH. 
          WHAT DO THE KIDS WANT AND ARE THEY GONNA BUY INTO THIS AND ARE THEY GONNA ATTEND? AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          UM, THAT WOULD GIVE THEM SOME OPPORTUNITY AND SCHOOL WILL BE BACK. 
          CUZ I KNOW BY THE TIME THEY WERE GONNA DO THE FOCUS GROUPS, SCHOOL WAS OUT AND THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A CHANCE TO GET, UM, A LARGE GROUP. 
          AND I KNOW THEY, THEY HAD, UH, ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS AT SKYLINE, BUT THEY, BUT UM, SOME OF THE GROUP THEY HADN'T HEARD TALKED TO MANY KIDS ON THE OTHER END OF TOWN. 
          SO THIS IS A GOOD THING. 
          AND YOU CAN ASK YOU UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE LIKE HOW YOU WERE JUST SAYING ABOUT COMING UP WITH A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS 
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TO MM-HMM. 
          , UH, TO TAKE CARE OF THESE, UH, BUILDING ISSUES, YOU KNOW, FOR US, OUR BUDGET WAS ALREADY SET JUST LIKE YOURS WAS. 
          SO THAT'S BEEN ALL, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHERE, WHERE ARE WE GONNA GET THE MONEY FROM AND WHAT ARE WE GONNA PULL FROM TO DO THIS? SO KNOWING WHETHER OR NOT WE NEEDED IT IN AUGUST OR WE NEEDED IT IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. 
          THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. 
          THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. 
          AND HOW MUCH AMOUNTS TO THEN BECAUSE OF THAT? YEAH. 
          THE UTILITIES THING THOUGH, ARE YOU SAYING THAT, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH US ASKING? CUZ I'M ASSUMING THE UTILITY BILL COMES FROM US, RIGHT? YES. 
          NOAM, WE CAN'T DUL IT. 
          WE CAN'T DIVULGE YET. 
          SO YOU GOTTA FIND IT OUT FOR US UNTIL, WELL, WE CAN PROVIDE IT TO THEM. 
          WE CAN'T. 
          SO YOU PROVIDE, YOU GET IT AND THEN YOU CAN LET US KNOW. 
          CUZ WE WERE JUST, CUZ WE WERE LIKE A THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          WAS THAT, IS THAT BECAUSE YOU ALL HAD PEOPLE IN THAT BUILDING EVERY DAY, ALL DAY LONG? THIS WOULD BE AN EVENING, THIS WOULD BE LIKE AFTERNOON, EVENING. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME THEY'RE PLANNING ON CLOSING IT. 
          WOULD IT BE NINE O'CLOCK, 10 O'CLOCK? I DON'T KNOW. 
          PROBABLY APPROXIMATELY, BUT I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR IT. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          APPROXIMATELY. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THE USE WILL BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE. 
          TRUE. 
          WE HAD PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING ALL DAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, BUT THE BULK OF THE BUILDING WAS NOT BEING USED. 
          TRUE. 
          WHICH WAS MORE WATER, MORE SEW. 
          THEY MOVING THEM OVER TO THE OTHER BUILDING SO THEY COULD ALL BE TOGETHER. 
          AND THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAD A, HAD A GROUP IN THERE TOO. 
          THEY DO HAVE SECTION THERE TOO. 
          BUT THEY WON'T BE DOING THAT ANYMORE EITHER, RIGHT? NO, THEY WON'T TOUCHING. 
          THEY, UH, ALRIGHT. 
          I MEAN IF I'M, I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, YOU'RE ALL FOUR. 
          IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE LOGISTICS OF WHEN AND HOW AND HOW MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          I CAN NEVER SPEAK, I CAN NEVER SPEAK FOR COUNSEL, BUT, BUT IT APPEARED AS THOUGH THAT EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA BEHIND IT, EVERYBODY WAS DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF, YOU KNOW, OF, OF DOING SOMETHING FOR A YOUTH. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS EVER A HURDLE BY ANY MEANS, BUT IT'S JUST FIGURING OUT THE MONEY PIECE OF IT. 
          AND UM, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE ASKED FOR, UM, PUBLIC INPUT, WHICH I BELIEVE IS AUGUST 28TH. 
          YEAH. 
          AUGUST 28TH. 
          SO, SO THAT WE COULD HAVE THE PUBLIC, UM, COME TO US TOO AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA SEE HAPPEN. 
          OUR SITUATION IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN YOUR ALL'S BECAUSE TOWN CITIZENS ARE THE TOWN CITIZENS AND ARE ALSO COUNTY CITIZENS. 
          SO THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS YOU'RE SPENDING ON THE BUILDING TOWN, CITIZENS ARE ALREADY CONTRIBUTING TOWARD THAT THROUGH THEIR TAX DOLLARS. 
          BUT NOW WE'RE ALSO ASKING THEM TO CONTRIBUTE FOR THE TOWN PIECE. 
          I THINK PEOPLE WILL SAY, LET'S DO THIS. 
          UH, THAT'S WHAT I HOPE AND THAT'S WHAT I, UM, THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT IT UP AT THE WORK SESSION LAST WEEK IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WILL MAKE EVERYBODY'S JOB A LOT EASIER IF PEOPLE COME OUT AND SAY, WE REALLY WANT THIS AND WE THINK THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN. 
          SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MORE TALK ABOUT IT AND, AND AND TOO, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT AND THE COMMUNITY'S TALKING ABOUT IT, THEN THE KIDS ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT. 
          THE PARENTS ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT. 
          I THINK THAT THERE'S A, A LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN TOO. 
          I THINK THERE ARE GROUPS AROUND THIS COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE HAPPY TO DONATE TOWARDS US. 
          I MEAN, I REALLY DO DO, I MEAN, I'M, I REALLY DO FEEL THAT WAY. 
          I JUST FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT KIDS AND CELL PHONES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          WELL, HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO SUPPORT SOMETHING TO GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITIES TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN STAY AT HOME AND PLAY VIDEO GAMES. 
          THAT POINT REACHING OUT NOW, UH, THEY HAVE ABOUT 15 LEAD PARTNERSHIPS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND ONE OF THEM'S REALLY STRONG UNIVERSITY. 
          WE HAD A MEETING WITH RON THIS WEEK AND, UM, ONE OF THE IDEAS, AND I THINK THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WHO LIKE THIS, UM, WAS TO HOLD A FUNDRAISER AND HAVE AN EIGHTIES NIGHT FOR ALL OF US WHO USED TO GO DANCE IN THAT PLACE MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. 
          AND I TOLD THEM THAT I THINK THE SENTIMENTAL FACTOR OF LAND WOULD CAUSE THE CHECKBOOKS TO OPEN UP MAYBE A SEVENTIES, NOT HOW'S THAT? OKAY, WE'LL MAKE IT SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES. 
          BUT THAT WAS AN IDEA THAT WAS DISCUSSED BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, I THINK THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO CONTRIBUTE TO OUR YOUTH YEAH. 
          AND TO GIVE OUR YOUTH A A HOPE AND A FUTURE. 
          AND SOME KIDS, SOME KIDS, SOME ADULTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, I'M GONNA, I THINK IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS PROB, I DON'T KNOW, SOMEBODY SAID BEFORE, MAYBE IT WAS THE LATE EIGHTIES, BUT I CAN'T, I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER, REMEMBER WHEN IT STOPPED BEING USED AS A YOUTH CENTER, BUT IT WAS 
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IN THE EIGHTIES. 
          I DON'T THINK IT WENT TO THE NINETIES. 
          I DON'T IT DID. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT DID. 
          YOU KNOW MY SON ROBBIE? SO YES. 
          OH MY. 
          WAS IT THAT WERE, WERE, WERE YOU NINETIES? YOU NINETIES KID? I WAS THERE. 
          I I'LL TEST. 
          YES. 
          THAT MUST HAVE BEEN EAR EARLY NINETIES. 
          THEN I SAY, WELL, AND THERE WAS EVEN A BAND. 
          AND BE THE REASON THAT I KNOW THIS, THERE WAS A BAND THERE IN THE TWO THOUSANDS BECAUSE I TOOK MY SON ROBBIE, IT WAS SCREAMO AND I HAD TO STAND OUTSIDE BECAUSE IT WAS MISERABLY LOUD. 
          AND SO, BUT SO WAS TWO THOUSANDS. 
          THEY WERE STILL HOLDING EVENTS. 
          I THINK THEY DID HAVE EVENTS THERE. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THERE EVERY NIGHT. 
          IT WASN'T A YOUTH CENTER. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I WILL SAY THOSE EIGHTIES SCENES THING, THAT APPLE, BOSTON DOES THAT EVERY YEAR AND THEY'RE LIKE SOLD OUT PEOPLE. 
          IT IT IS, IT'S A HUGE THING. 
          PEOPLE WANNA PUT, PEOPLE WANNA PUT LEG WARMERS ON AND GO OUT, DON'T THEY? YEAH. 
          SHOULD MENTION ON REGARDING THE CAPITAL WORK, UH, WE ARE DOING, WE, THE COUNTY ARE DOING THE BASIC CAPITAL OF THE FACILITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO PUT IN THERE FOR RON, WHICH INCLUDES CAPITAL ACTIVITIES AND CAPITAL FACILITIES, THEY DO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO AN EXAMPLE BEING, UH, THEY, WE WILL MAKE SURE THE WALLS ARE ALL UP AND MILOW FREE AND SO FORTH. 
          IF THEY WANNA PAINT THOSE WALLS AND DECORATE THEM, THAT WILL BE FOR THEM. 
          IF THEY WANNA PUT EQUIPMENT IN THEIR POOL TABLES, ET CETERA, THAT'S ON THEM AND THEY ARE AWARE OF THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WE'RE JUST MAKING THE BASIC FACILITY SO WE CAN USE IT FOR OTHER ACTIVITIES TOO, WHENEVER. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          GOTCHA. 
          NO, THAT'S TRUE. 
          AND SEE THAT'S A PERFECT THING. 
          HERE'S A POOL TABLE WHO WANTS TO SPONSOR THE POOL TABLE? MM-HMM. 
          , WHO WANTS TO SPONSOR THE COUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF WHERE I, WHEN SEE LIKE COUCH , I GOTTA BE IN THIS LIKE THE POOL TABLE. 
          , THANK YOU FOR, UH, THIS, THIS WAS, UM, INFORMATIONAL AND I'M, I'M, I'M, I APPRECIATE ALL THE EXTRA INFORMATION. 
          THIS IS GOOD. 
          GOOD TALKING. 
          UM, NUMBER EIGHT WAS THE SCHOOL ZONE SPEEDING AND ENFORCEMENT, THE TOWN. 
          PUT THIS ON THERE. 
          UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE AWARE THAT THAT WAS A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD HAD, UM, UH, A COUPLE DIFFERENT, UH, WORK SESSIONS. 
          SO, AND I CHIEF, I DON'T, FIRST OFF, I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU WANNA, DO YOU WANNA ASK THE CHIEF SOME QUESTIONS OR DO YOU WANT US TO JUST TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON? WHAT DO YOU ALL WANNA DO? WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS? OKAY. 
          ALL YEAH. 
          NO, WE DEFINITELY, SO, UM, AND I'M GONNA ASK, UH, CHIEF TO, TO BACK ME UP HERE ON THIS. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS AT THE WORK SESSION WHEN IT WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO US, UM, SO SPEEDING AND SAFETY IS AN ISSUE, AND THE SCHOOL ZONES, IT'S AN ISSUE. 
          AND WE'RE HEARING, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WHEN, UH, KALE BROUGHT IT TO TOWN COUNCIL, HE ASKED, YOU KNOW, DID, UM, DID THE COUN, DID THE COUNCIL WANNA LOOK INTO THIS OPPORTUNITY? OR, UH, DID WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD OR LOOK INTO THIS? AND SO COUNSEL HAD AN APPETITE TO SAY, LET'S GET SOME MORE INFORMATION. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE CHIEF CAME BACK THE SECOND WORK SESSION. 
          AND AT THAT POINT, UH, THERE WAS A COMPANY THAT DID, UM, SOME DATA FOR US. 
          AND THAT'S WAS DO YOU MIND SHARING? WOULD YOU MIND TALKING TO THAT PART ANYWAY OR JUST THAT? OKAY. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, GO AHEAD. 
          SO I DON'T IF YOU SHOULD COME UP HERE OR I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M SORRY, CALEB. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          SO WE LOOKED AT, UM, WE WERE LOOKING AT, AT INITIALLY FOUR OF THE, UH, SCHOOLS ZONES, OBVIOUSLY NO, THERE'S 10 SCHOOLS IN TOWN. 
          UM, WE LOOKED AT THE FOUR THAT WERE KIND OF THE, IN THE BAD SPOTS AS FAR AS THE BIGGER ROADS, HIGHER SPEED LIMITS, MORE HEAVILY TRAVELED. 
          UH, SO WE WERE LOOKING AT THE, UH, AS ROADS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OUT ON CHARLOTTES BRICK ROAD, UM, THE WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL ON LEE RUN PARKWAY. 
          UM, THE SKYLINE MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, WITH RAY AVENUE RIGHT THERE. 
          AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, E WILSON MORRISON, UH, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON, UH, EAST CRAZ ROAD. 
          SO THOSE, THOSE WERE THE AREAS WHERE NO, NO, YOU MEAN RUSTY ON, I'M SORRY, RUSTY, YOU SAID THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT WILSON. 
          CHESTER, YEAH. 
          MORRIS. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, NO, I KNEW WHERE IT WAS. 
          SO YEAH, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE DATA, UM, AND I'M SURE MOST, MOST OF YOU HAVE SEEN A LOT OF THIS STUFF. 
          UM, THE COMPANY THAT 
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WE WERE, THAT WE ARE, ARE LOOKING INTO DID A FIVE DAY, UH, SPEED STUDY. 
          AND THE LAST DAY, THE FRIDAY IS, THERE WAS NO SCHOOL THAT DAY, BUT THE NUMBERS BEAR OUT, UH, TO BE PRETTY WELL AVERAGE. 
          UM, AND TO JUST GIVE YOU AN IDEA, UM, THE, THE TOTALS, UM, WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE, UH, IN THE MORNINGS, UH, THEY WERE TYPICALLY, UH, FOR THAT FIVE DAY SPAN, THERE WERE 3,484 VEHICLES THAT WENT THROUGH, UH, THAT SCHOOL ZONE. 
          UH, FROM 7:30 AM TO 9:30 AM UM, 1,114 OF 'EM ARE 32%. 
          WERE SPEEDING. 
          AND THAT'S WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL. 
          UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, JUST WANNA CLARIFY, SPEEDING IS 11 MILES OVER, CORRECT, 11 OR FOUR, 10 MILES PER HOUR? JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS PART OF IT. 
          UM, RESTY JEFFRIES, UH, VEHICLE COUNT WAS 3,774 VEHICLES. 
          UH, 66% OF THOSE, UH, WERE SPEEDING 10 MILES OR MORE ABOVE THE, UH, SPEED LIMIT, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 24 96. 
          UM, SKYLINE MIDDLE. 
          DURING THAT FIVE DAY PERIOD, THERE WERE 2,526 VEHICLES WENT THROUGH, UH, IN THAT, IN MORNING HOURS. 
          UH, 1042 OF THEM FOR 41.3% WERE SPEEDING AT, UH, MORE THAN THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE'RE SPEEDING AT MORE THAN, UH, 10 MILES PER HOUR. 
          AND THEN AS ROADS, DURING THAT FIVE DAY PERIOD, UH, IT WAS A HIGHER, HIGHER VEHICLE COUNT. 
          UH, IN THE MORNING THERE WERE 47, UH, IN THE MORNING HOURS THERE WERE 47 74, UH, WITH 2105, UH, SPEEDING. 
          SO ABOUT 44%. 
          UM, THE NUMBERS IN ON AS ROADS, UH, WERE MUCH HIGHER FOR SCOOTERS IN THE EVENING. 
          UM, 68%, UH, SKYLINE MIDDLE, UH, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LOWER IN THE EVENING AT 36%. 
          UH, RUSTY JEFFRIES, RUSTY JEFFRIES IS OUR CLEAR WINNER. 
          THEY WERE IN THE EVENINGS, THEY'RE 83%, THE VEHICLES GOING THROUGH THERE, SPEEDING MORE THAN 11 MILES PER HOUR. 
          AND BY EVENING IT IS FOUR 30, UH, TWO 30 TO 4 30, 2 30 TO FOUR 30. 
          SO, AND, UM, WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE WAS, UH, 49% IN THE AFTERNOON HOURS. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF NUMBERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS INITIATIVE IS, IS ALL ABOUT SAFETY. 
          IT'S NOT ABOUT REVENUE. 
          UH, QUITE FRANKLY, I, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME WHAT, HOW THAT WORKS. 
          IF WE COULD, IF INSTEAD OF TICKETS WE COULD SEND OUT, UH, GOLD STICKERS TO FOLKS THAT OBEY THE LAW, I'D, I'D BE HAPPY, HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD, UH, ACHIEVE THE SAME RESULTS AS, UH, THE CITATIONS. 
          UM, AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS IT'S A HUNDRED DOLLARS CIVIL PENALTY. 
          UM, A $25 SERVICE FEE GOES TO THE COMPANY, 75 COMES BACK TO THE JURISDICTION. 
          UM, THESE, YOU KNOW, THE SPEED CAMERAS ARE ONLY IN EFFECT DURING SCHOOL TIMES IN THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN THE, WHEN THE SIGNS ARE ACTUALLY FLASHING. 
          UM, AND EVERY TIME THERE'S NOT A TICKET GENERATED UNLESS THE SPEEDS EXCEED 10 MILES PER HOUR, SO 11 MILES PER HOUR OR HIGHER, THOSE, ONCE THAT VIOLATION IS GENERATED, IT'S THEN VETTED BY ONE OF MY OFFICERS TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE MAKING SURE THAT SCHOOL WAS ACTUALLY IN, IN SESSION, THAT IT WASN'T A WORKDAY, THAT IT WASN'T A TWO HOUR DELAY FOR SNOW OR THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          A TEACHER WORKDAY. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY VETTED THE CITATIONS BEFORE THEY GO OUT. 
          UM, I WISH GEORGE WAS HERE BECAUSE, UH, I'VE HAD SOME CONFLICTING REPORTS ABOUT THE COURT COSTS. 
          AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, FROM WHAT MR. SONNET HAS TOLD ME, IF A PERSON DECIDES THAT THEY WISH TO, UM, TAKE THE TICKET TO COURT, UM, THE, THEY'RE NOT HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COURT COSTS IF THEY'RE FOUND NOT GUILTY. 
          SO, BUT I'VE, I'VE HEARD SOME, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL. 
          BUT I'VE, I'VE HAD SOME IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING TOO, BUT THEN SOMEBODY CALLED DOWN TO THE COURT AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD, IT DOESN'T GO ON THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT'S A SIMPLIFIED THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND, AND THERE HAVE BEEN NO POINTS. 
          NO POINTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S CIVIL, THERE'S NO POINT. 
          IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOUR INSURANCE. 
          UM, SO IT, IT, IT'S A LITTLE BETTER DEAL. 
          OF COURSE, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE UPSET BECAUSE IT, IT RECOGNIZES THE CAR AND NOT THE DRIVER. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, BUT THERE IS MECHANISMS IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE PARENT WANTS TO HOLD THE PERSON OR IF THE KID'S DRIVING THE CAR , THEY, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO CALL INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SAY, HEY, LITTLE JOHNNY HAD THE CAR THAT DAY. 
          THIS IS HIS TICKET, NOT MY TICKET. 
          YOU CAN CHOOSE TO DO THAT. 
          MY RIGHT. 
          UNDER STATE LAW, THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE IS, IS POSSIBLE FOR WHETHER HE'S IN IT OR NOT. 
          WELL, WHEN IT COMES TO ON HIGHWAY MEAN, UNLESS CUZ I LOOKED UP THE CODE, IT IS, UNLESS THEY WANT TO 
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GO TO COURT AND TELL WHO IT WAS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO BASICALLY THEY'D HAVE TO RAT OUT THEIR KID IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO. 
          I, I PREFER TO USE THE TERM HOLD THE CHILD RESPONSE. 
          YOU CAN SAY HOLD THE CHILD RESPONSE. 
          I'VE BEEN AROUND KIDS TOO MUCH, I THINK . 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, UM, BUT I, SO I, I THOUGHT WE WOULD ADD THIS TONIGHT FOR ONE, JUST TO GIVE YOU ALL, SOME INFORMATION ABOUT, CAUSE I KNOW, I KNOW SOME OF I'M, I KNOW THAT THERE, THERE ARE CONCERNS AND WE'VE BEEN HEARING CONCERNS AND WE TOTALLY GET IT. 
          AND COUNSEL ACTUALLY HAS IT'S STILL IS GONNA DISCUSS IT AGAIN. 
          LIKE WE, WE HAVEN'T TAKEN ACTION ON IT YET. 
          SO WE'RE STILL IN THE GATHERING INFORMATION PHASE. 
          BUT THE, THE, THE HARD FACTS ARE THAT THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE. 
          YOU, YOU KNOW, AND AS KALE SAID, EVEN IF YOU TAKE THAT ONE DAY OFF, THE REST OF THOSE NUMBERS, EVEN IF YOU SAID A 10TH OF THOSE NUMBERS, IT'S CONCERNING THAT THERE IS THAT MUCH SPEEDING. 
          AND THE THINGS PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S NOT GONNA COST US. 
          RIGHT. 
          CHIEF. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN FOR US. 
          UH, EVEN IF WE HAD TO PAY SOMETHING FOR IT, IF IT SAVES ONE KID AND IT COST US WHATEVER IT IS TO PUT IT IN, IT'S WELL SPENT. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE MAY BE FUSS ABOUT A CIVIL FINE A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT THEY CAN FUSS. 
          BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET THE SPEEDS DOWN IN THE SCHOOL ZONES OR SOMEBODY'S GONNA GET REALLY SERIOUSLY HURT. 
          IT'S MUCH CHEAPER THAN A RECKLESS DRIVING TICKET TOO. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THAT, THAT IT GOES BEYOND THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S STREETS THAT PEOPLE RUN CRAZY ON. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THIS IS THE FIRST STEP TO SAY THIS WORKS WELL, THERE'S EVEN BEEN CONVERSATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, PUT A POLICE CAR OUT THERE. 
          WELL, THE CHIEF DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE NOW, YOU KNOW, TO PUT A POLICE CAR AT EVERY ROAD AROUND THESE SCHOOLS AND HAVE JUST WORK TRAFFIC. 
          YOU KNOW, IF HE PUTS FIVE OFFICERS OUT THERE, SIX OFFICERS OUT THERE, WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT THE OTHER COMPLAINTS IN TOWN CAN'T ANSWER 'EM. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN ASSIGNED TO WORK TRAFFIC. 
          YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO HIT, WE TRY TO HIT THE SCHOOL. 
          AND YOU DO. 
          AND I'VE SEEN IT. 
          YOU DON'T PICK UP NECESSARILY A POLICEMAN, IT'S A CAR. 
          I MEAN, ANYTHING IS A DETERRENT FOR THE FIRST COUPLE HOURS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN WHERE IT GETS AROUND, THEY GOT AN EMPTY CAR PARKED OUT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          UNTIL, UNTIL THE POLICEMAN ACTUALLY SHOWS UP. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, YEAH. 
          WELL, BUT I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT'S BEEN TRIED BEFORE AND IT DIDN'T WORK TOO WELL. 
          WELL, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO LEVERAGE, WE'RE TRYING TO LEVERAGE TECHNOLOGY TO, TO MAXIMIZE ANYTIME YOU CAN AUTOMATE A SYSTEM OR A PROCESS, UM, THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          IT'S JUST AUTOMATE A SYSTEM IN A PROCESS. 
          UH, THE, THE, THE TECHNOLOGY IS ALL THE SAME. 
          UH, THE CAMERA'S THERE, BUT THE, THE, UH, SPEED MEASUREMENT DEVICE IS THE SAME THING AS, IT IS THE SAME LIDAR, UH, THAT WE USE, UH, BOTH HANDHELD AND IN VEHICLES. 
          SO IT'S NOT LIKE SPACE NEW FANGLED SPACE AGE TECHNOLOGY. 
          IT'S THE SAME STUFF THAT WE USE. 
          IF THERE'S AN OFFICER BEHIND IT QUITE A FEW YEARS, IT'S BASICALLY GONNA TAKE A PICTURE OF THEIR LICENSE PLATE IN FROM THE LICENSE PLATE THOUGH. 
          THEY GOT THE CAR, THE ADDRESS, AND YOU HEAR THE STUFF ABOUT THE INVASION OF PRIVACY AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          IT'S A PUBLIC STREET. 
          THERE'S NO, THE EXPECTATION, THERE'S NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY ON THE OUTSIDE OF YOUR VEHICLE WHILE IT'S BEING OPERATED ON A PUBLIC HIGHWAY. 
          SO, SO ONE OF THE THINGS, CUZ AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL TRYING, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID TO SOMEBODY RECENTLY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IN FRONT OF US NOW. 
          WE'VE NOT ONLY SAID WE THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM, WE HAVE NUMBERS TO SAY WE HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          AND SO EVEN IF COUNSEL WERE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS ANYMORE. 
          HOW ARE WE GONNA ADDRESS THE SAFETY IN THE SCHOOLS ZONE? BECAUSE WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S AN ISSUE AND ACKNOWLEDGING IT, YOU KNOW, IT. 
          SO IF WE DIDN'T DO THAT, WHAT OTHER, WHAT WHAT ELSE COULD WE DO? AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, CUZ AS I SAID, I KNOW SOME OF Y'ALL HAVE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IT, AND I GET IT. 
          I MEAN I, YOU KNOW, I I I I HAVE SOME OF THE CONCERNS, SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS ABOUT LIKE, IF WE WERE TO STOP DOING IT, WE HAVE TO PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT. 
          UM, I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY REASON THIS IS ALLOWABLE IS BECAUSE IT WAS PUT IN THE CODE, UM, NOT THAT MANY YEARS AGO. 
          WHAT DO WE SAY? 2020. 
          2020. 
          AND SO WHO'S TO SAY THAT A DIFFERENT LEGISLATURE MIGHT 
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TAKE IT OUT? I, YOU KNOW, NONE OF US CAN PREDICT THAT. 
          SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE CONCERNS, BUT THE ONE CONCERN I DON'T HAVE IS PROTECTING KIDS. 
          AND UM, AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE SAID, WELL, NOT EVERYBODY WALKS OR, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WE'VE HAD PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS THAT WEREN'T EVEN WALKING TO SCHOOL IN TOWN. 
          YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T EVEN ABOUT THAT. 
          SO I SHARE ALL THIS, I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU ALL HAVE SUGGESTIONS OF WAYS BECAUSE THE TOWN IS INSIDE THE COUNTY? AND I KNOW, I, I KNOW, UM, I, I'VE HEARD PEOPLE, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SAY, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THAT, UM, THE COUNTY IS, IS, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN IS PART OF THE COUNTY. 
          AND SO I, YOU KNOW, AS WAYNE SAID, ONE OF OUR CONCERNS IS THAT HAVING ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO TO, YOU KNOW, AS KALE SAID, IF, IF SOMEBODY COULD BE SITTING OUT THERE EVERY MORNING FOR THOSE TWO HOURS, AND AS PEOPLE SPED BY, NOW, KEEP IN MIND THE FIRST PERSON YOU PULL OVER IS GONNA TAKE HOW LONG? 15, 15 MINUTES. 
          YEAH. 
          10, 15 MINUTES. 
          SO IF THERE'S 170 GOING BY IN A TWO HOUR THING, YOU MIGHT GET FIVE OR SIX. 
          YOU, YOUR, YOUR HOPE IS THAT, THAT, THAT THEN THE NEXT DAY THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE FLYING BY THERE AGAIN. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE PUT UP SPEED TRAILERS, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE SPEED TRAILERS BEFORE, AND I KNOW KALE HAS SAID THIS BEFORE. 
          YOU PUT 'EM UP THERE THE FIRST WEEK OR SO, PEOPLE SLOW, THEY'RE SLOWING DOWN. 
          CAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, OH MY GOSH, WAS I GOING THAT FAST? BUT AFTER A COUPLE WEEKS THEY JUST BLAH BY ANYWAY. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, SO, UM, SO SO SOMETIMES THEY START LOOKING FOR THE HIGH SCORE. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          OH LORD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW, I KNOW KE UM, UH, CHIEF MIGUEL HAS SPOKE IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL BOARD LAST WEEK TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION, UM, SHARE THE INFORMATION WITH THEM. 
          BUT WE'RE JUST REALLY LOOKING TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY IN THE SCHOOL ZONES AND HOW CAN WE DO THIS? HOW CAN WE DO THIS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE LEAST AMOUNT OF DISRUPTION TO EVERYTHING. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THE CIVIL, THE CIVIL FINE, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT, THE CIVIL FINE SEEMS LIKE LESS, UM, IT'S GONNA BE LESS COST THAN A SPEED THING, HONESTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOT, LOTS OF THOUGHTS. 
          BUT ANYWAY, IT'S NOT A GAME OF GOTCHA. 
          EITHER. 
          WE DO A, THE, THE PROCESS, THERE'S A 30 DAY PUBLIC EDUCATION, UH, SEGMENT. 
          SO FOR 30 DAYS IT GETS BLASTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA, ON THE WEBSITES, YOU KNOW, UH, WE, WE TRY TO, WE'LL DO THAT PUBLIC EDUCATION PIECE FOR THE FIRST 30 DAYS. 
          THE NEXT 30 DAYS, UM, WARNING TICKETS ARE GENERATED. 
          SO THERE'S ANOTHER 30 DAYS WHERE YOU GET A LITTLE LOVE NOTE IN THE MAIL, BUT IT'S, IT'S A FREEBIE, YOU KNOW? UM, NOW AFTER THAT, THEN IT'S, THEN IT'S ON THE VIOLATOR TO ACTUALLY PAY, PAY THE FINE. 
          BUT, UM, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT JUST A STUMP THE CHUMP TYPE OF SITUATION WHERE ONE DAY YOU, YOU'RE BUZZING ALONG THROUGH SCHOOL ZONE AND THEN NEXT DAY YOU END UP GETTING A TICKET. 
          SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A RAMPING UP PROCESS. 
          A LOT OF THOUGHT PUT INTO IT. 
          SO THE TOWN OF BRIDGEWATER DID THIS AND DURING THE FIRST, DURING THEIR FIRST 60 DAY PERIOD, THEY, THEY WERE ABLE TO REALIZE A 92% REDUCTION IN SPEED IN THE SCHOOL ZONES. 
          SO, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME EDIFICATION THAT IT'S A, IT'S A WORTHWHILE PROGRAM. 
          SO, AND THE FOUR, THE IDEA WAS JUST START THE, TO JUST PICK FOUR PLACES. 
          AND WHAT THE BELIEF WAS IS THAT THOSE WERE THE FOUR WORST, YOU KNOW, UH, WORST, UH, OFFENSES OF SPEEDING. 
          NOW I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WOULD SAY, WAIT A SECOND. 
          THERE'S OTHER SCHOOLS. 
          YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT, THAT SHOWED UP. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, DID Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF? AND THEN ALSO IF YOU HAD ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, SUGGESTIONS? LIKE, LIKE I SAID, I, I SEE THIS AS, I SEE THIS AS A COMMUNITY PROBLEM. 
          UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE KIDS, THE KIDS ARE ALL OF OURS, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ON THE TOWN STREETS, SO I TOTALLY RECOGNIZE THAT. 
          BUT, UM, BUT IT'S OUR, THE COMMUNITY'S CHILDREN. 
          SO ANYWAY, DID YOU, DID YOU ALL, ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL PROGRAM. 
          OKAY. 
          DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE. 
          I HAVE NOT. 
          THANK YOU SUPERVISOR COLORS. 
          DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR NO, I, I, I CAN TELL YOU FROM WORKING AT SIE FOR 15 YEARS, I, I DIDN'T HAVE A BIT OF PROBLEM UNDERSTANDING THE HIGH NUMBERS THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER OF CHILDREN THAT WALK ACROSS THAT ROAD, ESPECIALLY IN THE EVENING. 
          PEOPLE CUT THROUGH THAT PLAZA 
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ROAD TO GET TO THREE 40. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH IS TENS WHY THAT HAD MORE NUMBERS. 
          THAT WAS, THAT WAS CRAZY TO ME. 
          CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A SIZE. 
          YOU HAVE PERSONNEL THAT ARE YOU USED TO CROSSING GUARDS? YEAH, CROSSING GUARDS. 
          AND THE SCHOOL HAS TEACHERS THAT GO DOWN AS WELL BECAUSE THE, THE LARGE AMOUNT OF KIDS, IT'S UM, YOU KNOW, THE TEACHERS ACTUALLY GO DOWN AS WELL. 
          THE THING IS, THEY CAN GET HIT AS WELL AS THE KIDS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THERE THAT FAST. 
          I'VE SEEN THEM. 
          THERE'S ALSO A CROSSING GUARD, UH, FOR WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL TOO. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE, THE THERE AND THERE'S ONE ON ROYAL AVENUE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, IS THAT THE ONLY, THE ROYAL AVENUE, THE THE ONE THAT GOES ACROSS ROYAL? THE E WILSON, WE, WE, WE'VE STAFFED THAT KIND OF LAST BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE YEAH. 
          A BIG VOLUME OF KIDS. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULDN'T THINK A LOT OF KIDS ARE CROSSING. 
          IT'S NICE FOR THEM TO HAVE, TO HAVE THAT, TO BE ABLE TO GET THE BUSES IN AND OUT. 
          I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THEY KIND OF DO MOST OF THEIR WORK, BUT ACTUALLY GETS CROSSED IN THAT STREET PRETTY MINIMAL THESE DAYS. 
          BUT YEAH, NO QUESTION. 
          I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING CAUSE I AM NOT IN FAVOR AND I HAVE, I HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES WITH NOT BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS THE PERSON FACE TO FACE WHO'S GIVING YOU THE TICKET. 
          AND I'VE TALKED TO THE CHIEF ABOUT IT AND IT, THERE ARE STATES IN, IN THE UNITED STATES THAT HAVE FOUND THEM TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. 
          UH, VIRGINIA CHOSE TO DO THIS IN SELECTED ZONES. 
          THEY'RE IN CONSTRUCTION AND SCHOOL ZONES IN 2020. 
          UM, I, I JUST, I GET A CONCERNED THAT A SURVEILLANCE STATE STARTS WITH A SCHOOL ZONE AND THEN WE FIND ANOTHER REALLY GOOD REASON THAT WE NEED CAMERAS SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          AND THEN ANOTHER REASON, AND EVENTUALLY YOUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY IS BEING SURVEILLED BY CAMERAS. 
          AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD PLACE TO GO. 
          I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THERE'S USUALLY POWER ATTACHED TO SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT IS NOT IDEAL. 
          AND, UH, SO THOSE ARE MY RESERVATIONS AND I HAVE SHARED THEM, UH, WITH WHATEVER CHIEF AND I SCHEDULED A LUNCH. 
          I WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT. 
          BUT, UM, WE'LL GET BACK TO THAT . 
          AND I, AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I KNOW THAT WHEN IT FIRST CAME UP, THERE WERE THAT I WAS JUST, OOH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          YOU KNOW, MY, MY GUT WAS THAT, UM, AND I STILL HAVE MY RESERVATIONS, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD WITH THOSE NUMBERS TO COME BACK AND YOU HEAR THOSE KIND OF NUMBERS AND YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ULTIMATELY WHAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF IT, AFTER TWO YEARS OF THIS CONTRACT THAT WE, THAT THIS, THAT, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE SPEEDING THOSE NUMBERS GOING ON THE SCHOOLS END. 
          THAT WOULD BE LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE THE FACT THAT BRIDGEWATER TOOK IT DOWN 92%, YOU JUST THINK, WOW. 
          UM, BUT, BUT LIKE I SAID, I I, I STILL WONDER WHAT, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE STAKE OF THE STATE CAN CHANGE THEIR MIND AT ANY TIME COME JANUARY. 
          SO ANYWAY, BUT, UM, DID WE RIGHT? YES. 
          THAT AND, AND THAT WAS JUST SO, YOU KNOW, CUZ PEOPLE ASKED OTHER THINGS AND, AND I SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS ON A WORK SESSION AGAIN FOR COUNSEL. 
          BUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE PULLED IT OUT OR THE STATE CHANGED AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN HAVE IN THE CONTRACT. 
          SO THE, AND, AND THE COMPANY THAT, THAT, UM, THE CHIEF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH, THEY SEEM TO BE AMENABLE TO ANY OF THOSE THINGS IN THE CONTRACT THAT, THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING CONCERNS WITH. 
          BUT I WANNA ALSO, IS THERE ANY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING OR QUESTION? YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          YES. 
          I JUST, I I DON'T KNOW HOW WE LANDED ON, UM, UH, CHIEF SORT OF DOING HIS OWN VALIDATION STUDY BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A QUESTION, I THINK A LEGITIMATE ONE AROUND YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE SELLING AS A PRODUCT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE THE NUMBERS. 
          DID YOU DO LIKE AN INDEPENDENT, INDEPENDENT STUDY OR HOW YOU LAND LIKE A TRAFFIC COUNT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I DON'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO DO THAT. 
          NO, I MEAN, BUT DID YOU, DO WE, YOUR OBSERVATIONS OF S IN THE AREA OF, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE WHERE WE GET THE COMP. 
          THOSE ARE WE, WHERE WE IDENTIFIED WE HAD A PROBLEM. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT WAS VALIDATED THEN. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AT. 
          BUT IT WASN'T JUST THIS GROUP THAT CAME IN AND RIGHT. 
          CORRECT. 
          IN THEIR COUNT TO SELL US SOMETHING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEY ACTUALLY DIDN'T APPROACH. 
          IT WASN'T LIKE THEY CALLED AND SAID, HEY, YOU GOT A PROBLEM. 
          IT WAS, HEY, WE HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME THINGS? SO YEAH. 
          COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE IN THE AUDIENCE, ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY ANYTHING OR ASK ANYTHING. 
          WELL, I MEAN, UH, UH, ONE QUESTION I HAD IS HOW MANY JURISDICTIONS IN THE RURAL PART, I KNOW THEY'RE DOWN IN NORTHERN CERTAIN PARTS OF NORTHERN VIRGINIA, I THINK SALT DOWN THERE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, HOW MANY JURISDICTIONS IN RURAL VIRGINIA ARE, ARE USING THESE TYPE OF, UH, BRIDGEWATER OBVIOUSLY. 
          YEAH, I KNOW BRIDGEWATER WITH, WITH BILL, 
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WITH, UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE ONE WHO'S, UH, THE, THE, THE, UH, WHO HAS THE COST OF CONTRACT OPERATING CONTRACT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THERE ARE SEVERAL SMALLER JURISDICTIONS. 
          I CAN, I CAN GET A LIST OF ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE JURISDICTIONS IN, IN VIRGINIA THAT, UH, THAT ARE OPERATING, UH, WITH THESE TYPES OF SYSTEMS IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WELL, UH, CHESTERFIELD JUST PUT, JUST PUT 'EM TOGETHER. 
          BUT I, I, I KNOW JURISDICTION BURG IS LOOKING AT 'EM. 
          UH, I HEARD THAT. 
          UM, AND, AND THE OTHER THING WAS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SPEED CAMERA ASPECT OF IT. 
          UH, I DO A LOT OF DRIVING. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I GOT LIKE 300,000 MILES ON MY VEHICLE, RIGHT. 
          AND IT STILL GOES. 
          BUT, UH, THE, UH, UH, I NOTICED THAT WHEN, WHEN THOSE SPEED CAMERAS COME UP, PEOPLE SLOW DOWN. 
          AND I WAS JUST THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE CITATION ASPECT OF IT TURNS MY STOMACH A LITTLE BIT AND YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT DOES. 
          UM, AND, UM, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SPEEDING. 
          YOU'RE SPEEDING AND YOU, YOU DESERVE THE TICKET. 
          UM, BUT, UM, THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO KNOW IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF THE FLASHING LIGHTS AT THE SCHOOL ZONE, IN TURN WITH THE SPEED CAMERA, YOU KNOW, THROWING OUT THIS BIG RED FLASHING LIGHT THAT YOU'RE SPEEDING, SLOW DOWN. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, THAT EFFECT MAY VERY WELL SLOW PEOPLE DOWN, AT LEAST TO GET 'EM THROUGH THE SPEED ZONES. 
          SURE. 
          UH, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE DON'T HAVE A, UH, ANY, ANY DATA ON THAT IN ORDER TO EXPLORE THAT. 
          BUT, UM, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET DATA UNLESS YOU HAVE A CAMERA OUT THERE TO WATCH IT. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE CAMERA I HAVE NO, I IT'S THE CAMERA. 
          THE CAMERA IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS, IS IF WE HAD THE CAMERAS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PURCHASING THE CAMERAS THROUGH THEIR DEAL, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WAIT, BUT WE'RE NOT, EVERY TICKET, EVERY TICKET THAT IS WRITTEN, $25 GOES PACKAGE FEE AND 70, $75 COME BACK RIGHT. 
          TO THE TOWN. 
          THE 25 IS THE PROCESSING, THAT, THAT'S HOW THE $75,000 TIMES FOUR IS GOING TO BE PAID, PAID OUT. 
          AND, UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE EFFECT OF PURCHASES PURCHASING THEM VERSUS, UH, FOR THE EFFECT VERSUS, UM, GOING THROUGH THE I SENT OUT SOME DATA ON THAT. 
          YOU SAW IT? YEP. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU'RE SAYING LIKE A PLACEBO CAMERA? EXACTLY. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, IT IS A PLACEBO CAMERA. 
          NO, I'M, I'M JUST, THAT'S, I'M JUST MAKING THAT UP. 
          THAT GOTCHA. 
          YEAH, IT IS SENDING OUT THE ALERT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND HEY, YOU, YOU ARE SPEEDING. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE BLUE LINE IS. 
          THE FLASHING LIGHTS AND THE SIGNS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY ARE SUPPOSED TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN, BUT IT'S NOT WORKED VERY WELL, . 
          THAT'S WHAT I GONNA SAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, YEAH. 
          WELL, AND THAT, THAT, THAT WAS, UH, THAT, THAT WAS, UH, SOMETHING I WANTED TO JUST BRING UP. 
          SURE. 
          UH, AND I GUESS THE LAST THING IS, IS I NOTICED ON AS ROADS WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, I WAS GOING OUT TO GW NATIONAL FOREST. 
          UM, I NOTICED WHEN I MADE THE TURN, SINCE THEY'VE DONE THE REALIGNMENT OUT THERE MM-HMM. 
          , I DID NOT SEE A FLASHING THE SIGN THAT WOULD BE THE FLASHING LIGHT FOR THE SCHOOL GOING WHERE IT WAS ABOUT, IT WAS ABOUT 40 YARDS OFF THE ROAD, BUT IT'S BEEN MOVED. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY, I BELIEVE THE ENERGY DEPARTMENT JUST RECENTLY WAS IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THAT SORTED OUT. 
          I THINK THEY ACTUALLY JUST, UH, DID SOMETHING ON LEACH RUN TOO. 
          I NOTICED THERE'S LIKE FRESH CON CON, THEY MOVED IT. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          THAT'S WHAT I MEANT SAY I JUST NOTICED THE LAST TIME ABOUT A WEEK AGO WHEN I WENT THROUGH THERE, I MADE A LEFT. 
          AND I'M GOING LIKE, WELL, WHERE, WHERE'S THE, WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL BRING THIS, WE'RE GONNA BRING THIS OBVIOUSLY BACK TO COUNCIL WORK SESSION AND TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, THE REASON WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO 
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BRING IT UP IS THAT, LIKE I SAID, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE HAVE SOME CONCERNS ALSO, THE SCHOOL ZONE, THE SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE SCHOOLS. 
          WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON OUR TOWN STREETS, BUT JUST LIKE IF WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, UH, COLLABORATE ON WAYS TO, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. 
          UM, BUT ANYWAYS, SO YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          SO IF YOU FIND THAT THERE, IF YOU FIND THAT WE NEED TO COLLABORATE FURTHER, YOU KNOW, WE'D ALSO HAD SCHOOLS RIGHT. 
          DISCUSSION AS WELL. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, I GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          I THINK YOU'RE DONE. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR, THANK YOU EVERYBODY THE THIRD TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANKS YOU. 
          YES, INDEED. 
          SO THANK YOU MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I HOLD YOU TO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          NUMBER NUMBER NINE WAS THE UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS OF THE A TAX CONSERVANCY. 
          AND I KNOW TOWN PUT IT ON THERE BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS, IT'S, I KNOW WE'VE HAD IT ON THIS BEFORE AND THEN I, I WAS THINKING WE HAD IT TWICE, BUT I THINK IT'S, CUZ I CAME TO ONE OF YOU, THEY INVITED US TO COME TO ONE OF YOUR ALL'S MEETINGS AND I HEARD IT THERE TOO. 
          SO I JUST WAS GONNA ASK WHAT, UM, IS THERE AN UPDATE ON THAT? LIKE SURE. 
          DO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON? I KNOW YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE ABATEMENT OR HAPPY TO DO IT. 
          I'VE GOT IT. 
          WELL, NO, WE'LL LET ED. 
          OH, IS ED GOOD? AND I HAVE JOE, WE'RE GONNA LET JOE DO IT. 
          WE'LL LET JOE DO, IF YOU DON'T MIND ABOUT WHOEVER WANTS TO TALK. 
          I, JOE, JOE WILL, JOE WILL DO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, I'VE GOT THE MEETING MAP AND ALL THE INFORMATION IF YOU, I MEAN, I'LL JUST, YEAH, JUST GIVE A SUMMARY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO YEAH, WE MET WITH EPA, OR NOT THE EPA, BUT, UH, PARSONS, WHO MANAGES THE SITE, UH, LAST WEEK, WALKED IN TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAIL AND, UH, ROB AND JURY WERE BOTH ON SITE WITH ME. 
          WE PHYSICALLY WENT DOWN ONTO THE PROPERTY AND LOOKED IN TO SEE IF THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, SOME, UH, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS ABOUT THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL. 
          BUT I THINK WE'VE COME TO A SOLUTION. 
          I'VE SENT THAT ON TO THEM FOR THEIR ADVISEMENT TO SEE IF THEY WERE GOOD WITH IT AND HOW WE CAN MAKE THE NEXT STEPS AS WE TALKED. 
          THERE'S ARPA FUNDS THERE DEDICATED TO TEX, AND WE'LL, I'LL GET WITH LIZZIE ON THAT. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THEM AND GET THEIR, THEIR BLESSING ON THAT TO SEE WHAT THOSE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE TO, TO IMPLEMENT THAT TRAIL ALONG THE RIVER. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I KNOW THE REASON, I KNOW BEFORE WHEN Y'ALL CAME BEFORE US BEFORE, UM, THEY WERE, THEY WERE TALKING TO THE TOWN ABOUT IT AND THEN THERE WAS LIKE A, I REMEMBERED YOU SAID, UM, THERE WAS A DATE. 
          LIKE IT HAD TO, IF IF THERE WAS GONNA BE SOME MONEY PURCHASED, DIDN'T IT HAVE TO BE BY DECEMBER 31ST? THAT GOES, THAT'S TIED TO THE RPA FUNDS. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DEDICATED THOSE FUNDS AND WE WANT TO USE THEM AND IF WE COULD USE IT ON THE APEX TRAIL AND THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE INVOLVED DOWN THERE, UM, WE'D LIKE TO GET THAT DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS, IF I MAY MM-HMM. 
          , UH, AS THE ASSET COMMITTEE, WE DO HAVE MAPS. 
          I ONLY HAVE FOUR OF 'EM BECAUSE WE HAD A POWER OUTAGE AT MY HOUSE. 
          I HAD TO RUN ACROSS THE STREET BASICALLY WITH NO CLOTHES ON TO TAKE THE REST OF MY SHOWER. 
          AND MY PRINTER, UH, ONLY PRINTED OUT FOR MAPS. 
          SO THIS PARTICULAR MAP, MAKE SURE THANK YOU. 
          BUT THE, UM, WHERE THERE IS A, UM, WHERE WE HAD A, UM, A GLITCH THERE IS ALWAYS AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND THE OPPORTUNITY THAT CAME UP IS WHEN WE WALKED THE PROPERTY LAST WEEK AND SAT DOWN WITH PARSONS, WE FOUND OUT THERE HAD BEEN SOME CONCERN. 
          WE ALSO WERE WORRIED ABOUT FENCING AND HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST MM-HMM. 
           AND ALL OF THAT. 
          WE FOUND OUT THAT WE ARE GONNA MOVE THE TRAIL RIGHT NOW PROPOSED STRICTLY ALONG THE RIVER. 
          AND SO IT LITERALLY ELIMINATES A LOT OF THE FENCING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, IT ALSO ELIMINATES, UM, SOME ISSUES AS FAR AS SAFETY THAT I BELIEVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAD. 
          UH, WE WERE ABLE ALSO TO DISCUSS THAT. 
          UM, I THINK, UH, SUPERVISOR KOHL HAD A CONCERN ABOUT THE POND THERE THAT WAS THERE. 
          WELL, THAT IS A FRESHWATER POND. 
          IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THAT IT'S WATER. 
          BUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS, WAS IT WATER THAT WAS TREATED WATER IN THERE? AND IT ISN'T, IT IS A FRESHWATER POND. 
          UM, SO IT, AS FAR AS THERE BEING ANY, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY GETTING HURT, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH CHEMICAL IN THE WATER OR WHATNOT THAT ISN'T THERE AND IT'S ABOUT FOUR FEET DEEP. 
          UM, WE ALSO ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AT OUR LAST E D A BOARD MEETING. 
          WE WENT ON AND PASSED A RESOLUTION, UH, THAT, UH, WE WILL, AT THIS TIME, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MAKING SURE WE FEEL THAT THIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER ENTITY OTHER 
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THAN THE EED BECAUSE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE ARE OBVIOUSLY OUR FIRST CHOICE IS THE COUNTY. 
          UH, BUT IF THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, WE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO COME TO THE TOWN OR TO OTHER ENTITIES AS WELL TO, YOU KNOW, TO, YOU KNOW, TO DEVELOP THIS. 
          SO WE'LL SEE WHERE WE ARE ON THAT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE FOR, FOR THIS AT THIS POINT. 
          BUT, UM, JOE HAS WORKED REALLY HARD. 
          DOES THIS CONNECT TO THE GREENWAY? NO. 
          YES. 
          NO, BUT THE IDEA WAS, I REMEMBER THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT THAT TALKING ABOUT LIKE EVENTUALLY THROUGH THE GREENWAY, NOT THROUGH VISCO CITY. 
          YEAH. 
          THROUGH VISCO AND TO COME OUT AND I THINK JOE'S TALKED TO ALREADY THE, THE OTHER OWNERS ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, SIDE TO HAVE IT COME OUT WHERE THE CAMPGROUND IS. 
          AND WE EVENTUALLY WANNA, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD TIE INTO EASTON PARK AS WELL. 
          THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA DO. 
          EXACTLY. 
          SO PEOPLE CAN GO FROM ONE, ONE END TO THE OTHER AND THAT, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE PEOPLE SO THEY CAN GET ACROSS TOWN. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND UH, UH, AND GO AHEAD AND PUT THE SEND OVER. 
          WELL, YEAH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY ARE, AND YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT THIS HAS BEEN 30 YEARS IN THE MAKING AND THE PLAN HAS BEEN IN, IN, IN A PLACE, YEAH. 
          SINCE 2000 THAT WE HOPE THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER THAT IT WILL MOVE FORWARD AND WE WILL BE OPENING UP TOURS. 
          WE HOPE FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ACTUALLY COME AND WALK IT. 
          WE'RE GONNA, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HOPE TOWN COUNCIL AND FOLKS OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO ATTEND. 
          PARSONS HAS ALSO OFFERED, JUST I TELL YOU THAT PLEASE WEAR YOUR BOOTS AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE TICK SPRAY FOR RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT WAS AN INTERESTING WALK LAST, UH, WEEK. 
          BUT IT IS VERY ILLUMINATING WHEN YOU SEE IT AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL WALK. 
          SO I THINK WHEN THE TRAIL, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY HOPE WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD BY, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE BY YEAR END AND BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO USE SOME OF THAT MONEY TO, UH, FOR PLANNING THAT TRAIL AND MOVING FORWARD. 
          OUTLINE THE, THE POINT OUTLINE, UHHUH , HOW MUCH ACREAGE IS IN THAT WAY? OUTLINE? NOT MUCH. 
          IS IT JOE? IS IT, I MEAN OVER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I MEAN, IT'S NOT THE SCALE AND THAT'S ALL UP. 
          YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S, AGAIN, THROUGH OUR WALK WE, WE STILL HAVE WORK TO DO AND DISCUSS THAT ON SITE WITH PARSONS. 
          I MEAN, THEY GOT A LOT OF MAINTENANCE THAT THEY WANT TO TAKE CARE OF, BUT THE CONCEPT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE, IF YOU'RE ON EASTON TRAIL, THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A TRAIL. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD MAINTAIN THE SIDES, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DISTURB ANY OF THE OPERATIONS OR MAINTENANCE THAT ARE ONGOING DOWN THERE. 
          SO THAT'S JUST A GENERAL CONCEPT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S PRETTY BLOWN UP PICTURE, SO, SO IT WOULD JUST BE JUST LIKE, I SEE THE DOG PARK, BUT JUST THAT WIDTH, LIKE BASICALLY A BLACK, YOU KNOW, UH, ASPHALT, IT'S JUST A PARK TO GET. 
          AND IT WOULD, THE IDEA IS THAT IT WOULD BE CONNECTING, I MEAN, EASTON PARK, THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, GENERAL RAIL TRAIL IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA. 
          AND WE CERTAINLY WOULD LOOK AT IT TO TIE INTO YOUR ADVENTURES FOR, UH, UH, FOR TOURISM BECAUSE IT CERTAINLY ADDS TO, YOU KNOW, TO THE RIVER EXPERIENCE AS WELL. 
          DIDN'T MEAN TO, BUT IN, BUT WE'D REALLY HAD A LOT OF WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE ON THIS AND WE'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE IT MOVE FORWARD AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, RETURN TO THE, YOU KNOW, RETURN TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND UH, WITH THE BEST ENTITY THAT COULD MANAGE IT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          PLEASE. 
          THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, I JUST REMEMBERED WHENEVER I WENT TO THE THING AT THE VIRGINIA AND THEN BOARD, IT FELT LIKE THERE WAS LIKE THIS, LIKE A, NOT A HURRY UP, BUT LIKE THERE'S A TIME OVER THE ESSENCE AND I THOUGHT, WELL, IT'S JULY. 
          I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FOR A WHILE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT TOPIC? WAYNE? GOOD. 
          JOE, WALT, YOU, I SAY JOE, GOTTA, I GOTTA SEPARATE FROM JOE'S NOW. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, OKAY. 
          AND WE DID 10. 
          YAY. 
          UM, AND THEN 11 WAS THE UPDATE ON THE MCKAY SPRINGS PROJECT AND THE COUNTY PUT THAT ON THERE, RIGHT? I THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK IT'S THE COUNTY. 
          YEAH, WE DID. 
          YEAH, WE, WE DID. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST KIND OF A FOLLOWING UP FROM OUR LAST LIAISON MEETING CUZ THIS WAS ON IT. 
          YES, YES IT WAS. 
          AND I, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK, UH, WE WERE GONNA DO A STUDY AND WE HAD PRESENTED OUR POSITION, YOU KNOW, ASKING IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, WANNA BUY PART OF THE PROPERTY OR NOT. 
          I MEAN, DR. 
          DALEY, IF YOU CHIME IN CUZ YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE HISTORY THAN I AM AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, IT'S BEING SAID CORRECTLY. 
          THERE'S THIS BIG SIGN OUT THERE, IT SAYS, I THINK IT MIGHT BE, UM, IT SAYS FOR SALE 9.5 ACRES OR SOMETHING, MCKAY SPRINGS. 
          AND WE HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT. 
          AND THE COUNTY'S THINKING WE WANNA, WE'RE INTERESTED IN BUYING, WE'RE 
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INTERESTED IN SELLING, WE'RE INTERESTED IN DOING WHATEVER CAN BE DONE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THE PROPERTY SOMEPLACE. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA DO A, A STUDY AND WE'RE JUST WONDERING ON THE UPDATE ON THE STUDY. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          UM, CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY ON THE STUDY? WE'RE GONNA DO A STUDY IN THE SPRINGS. 
          WE ARE EVALUATING THE SPRINGS AND WE DID HAVE THE DISCUSSION WITH TOWN COUNCIL AND AT THIS MOMENT THE TOWN IS NOT INTERESTED IN SELLING THAT PARCEL THAT THE TOWN OWNS, THAT CONTAINS THE SPRINGS. 
          WHERE'D YOU BUY OURS? WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ON THOSE TWO PARCELS THAT WE JOINTLY OWN, BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT DISCUSSION. 
          BUT SELLING OUR PORTIONS, OUR INTEREST IN THE JOINT AND THE INDIVIDUAL PARCEL WE OWN, IF THE COUN, IF THE TOWN WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HAVING A PARCEL, I CAN EXPRESS THAT TO COUNSEL AND GET BACK WITH HIM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THERE'D HAVE TO BE A NUMBER THEN, RIGHT? LIKE WELL, WE HAVE, I WAS GONNA SAY YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT. 
          I WAS JUST, WE HAD THIS APPRAISAL DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, HAS BEEN SHARED AND GOTCHA. 
          IT'S BEEN AROUND SIX MONTHS NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND UH, WE JUST WANNA SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN TO THE PROPERTY, WHATEVER. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          DOING US ANY GOOD EITHER WAY TO SEE SOMETHING FOLLOW UP OUR AGENDA. 
          YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THEN WE CAN GET IT OFF THE AGENDA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          THAT'S ALL WE HAD TO SAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE FOR ANYBODY? ANYTHING THAT WE NEEDED TO TALK ABOUT OR ANYBODY WANTED TO, IT WASN'T ON OUR AGENDA, SO WE DON'T GENERALLY DO JUST THROW IT OUT THERE, BUT WE'LL GET BACK TOGETHER I GUESS IN OCTOBER OVER AT YOUR PLACE. 
          YEAH. 
           SIDE BENEFIT OF THE, UH, CAMERAS, MA'AM, THEY WILL HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE OLDEN RIDGE SUBDIVISION BE ABLE TO GET OUT IN THE MORNING. 
          SO WE'RE ALL FOR THAT. 
          SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, DR. 
          DALEY, I CAN'T JUST SAY I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT IT WASN'T GONNA BE OVER BY MY WAY BECAUSE I HAVE TO BACK INTO MY DRIVEWAY. 
          WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE I CAN'T GET OFF OF EITHER. 
          SO MEETING ADJOURNED. 
          SORRY, CHARLES ADJOURNED. 
          THANK, I'M SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO, I TOTALLY GET IT. 
          AND I DID.
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