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OKAY, I'D LIKE TO CALL, OOH, A LITTLE WATER.
WHY YOU GOTTA GET WATER? SORRY.
I'D LIKE TO CALL THE, UH, FRONT ROW TOWN COUNCIL MEETING FOR MONDAY, JUNE 26TH TO ORDER, AND OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS WILL BE TO TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
[1. MOMENT OF SILENCE]
OKAY.OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESSES ARE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[2. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
AND AS YOU KNOW, DURING MY TERM AS MAYOR, I'M INVITING STUDENTS FROM THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL TO LEAD OUR COUNSEL IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.UH, THIS MONTH WE WELCOME LOGAN AND EMMA MORRIS.
AS THEY ARE COMING, UH, FORWARD, OR THEY'RE FORWARD.
I'D LIKE TO SHARE THAT LOGAN AND EMMA, THE CHILDREN OF CHRIS AND OUR VERY OWN COUNCILWOMAN AMBER MORRIS.
I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING THE MANY YEARS AGO WHEN THEY WERE MUCH YOUNGER AND ATTENDING MEETINGS WITH THEIR MOM.
EMMA IS AN UP AND COMING FOURTH GRADER AT LESLIE FOX KAISER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
DESPITE OVERCOMING MANY OBSTACLES IN HER LIFE, SUCH AS RECONSTRUCTIVE HEARING SURGERY, EMMA IS A STRAIGHT, A HONOR ROLL STUDENT WHO WAS INVITED TO TEST INTO THE GIFTED AND TALENT TO PROGRAM THIS YEAR.
EMMA LOVES READING AND WRITING AND JOURNALS EVERY NIGHT.
I'VE SEEN SOME OF HER WRITING TOO, AND SHE'S VERY CREATIVE.
HER PASSIONS INCLUDE ART, ANIMALS, AND CHEERLEADING.
LOGAN IS AN UP AND COMING SEVENTH GRADER AT WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL.
LOGAN IS BEST KNOWN AT A SCHOOL FOR BEING AN EMPATHETIC STUDENT WHO IS ALWAYS GIVING AN ENCOURAGING HUG TO A TEACHER WHO NEEDS ONE OR SENDING A KIND EMAIL TO BRIGHTEN THEIR DAY.
WE TEACHERS NEED THESE HUGS AND KIND WORDS TOO.
LOGAN ENJOYS HISTORY, ART, AND POLITICAL SCIENCE.
WONDER WHERE HE GETS THAT FROM.
UH, LOGAN LOGAN'S HOBBIES INCLUDE BASKETBALL, BIKING, AND SKATEBOARDING.
SO I JUST WANT TO ALSO ADD THAT YOU GUYS, ALONG WITH YOUR BROTHER WILLIAM, ARE VERY PATIENT AND UNDERSTANDING AS CHILDREN, UH, OF A COUNCILWOMAN.
I KNOW, I KNOW HOW MANY TIMES YOUR MOM GETS PHONE CALLS AND PEOPLE STOPPING HER ALONG THE STREET OR IN THE STORE TO TALK ABOUT THE TOWN, AND THEY'RE SMILING.
YOU THREE ARE ALWAYS SO RESPECTFUL AND PATIENT WHILE YOU'RE WAITING ON HER.
I KNOW WE HAVE SOME REALLY LATE NIGHT MEETINGS SOMETIMES THAT MEAN YOU DON'T GET THAT TIME FOR BEDTIME PRAYERS AND HUGS WITH YOUR MOM.
WHILE MY CHILDREN ARE OLDER, THEY'VE HAD TO TAKE A BACK SEAT ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION FOR ME TO DO THE JOB OF SERVING OUR CITIZENS.
AND I, FOR ONE, WANNA TELL YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE IN SHARING YOUR MOM WITH US.
IT DEFINITELY DOESN'T GO UNNOTICED BY ME.
AND EMMA AND LOGAN ARE BOTH GONNA BE GETTING GIFT CERTIFICATES TO C AND C.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
IT'S GONNA BE AN ALL NIGHTER
[3. ROLL CALL]
PRESLEY, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL.OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR,
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]
WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.MADAM MAYOR, MOVE THAT COUNSEL WILL APPROVE THE JOINT MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES OF MAY 22ND, REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF MAY 22ND WORK SESSION MINUTES OF JUNE 5TH AND JUNE 12TH, 2023 AS PRESENTED.
I'M HAVING A FIRST AND SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? COUNCILWOMAN D DAMCO PAYNE? YES.
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MORRIS? YES.[5. ADDITION/DELETION OF ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA OR REVISION TO ORDER OF BUSIINESS]
ADDITION OR DELETION OF ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA OR A REVISION TO ORDER OF BUSINESS.MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE MODIFY THE PRESENT AGENDA TO REMOVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM 10 G F Y 24, BUDGET AMENDMENT AND TRANSFER FOR SPEED CAMERA ENFORCEMENT SERVICES IN SCHOOL ZONES, AND ADD THAT AS A BUSINESS ITEM UNDER 11 C SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? I THINK THE DISCUSSION WILL HAPPEN UNDER THE BUSINESS ITEM.
COUNCILMAN MADI DAMCO PAYNE? YES.
SO NUMBER SIX ARE RECOGNITIONS,
[6. RECOGNITIONS/AWARDS/REPORTS]
AWARDS, REPORTS, AND PRESENTATIONS.AND SO NEXT, I MEAN, FIRST UP IS GONNA BE ITEM SIX A, WHICH IS A PRESENTATION BY MICHAEL WILLIAMS OF THE ROTARY OF WARREN COUNTY.
AND IT'S A JOINT PROJECT WITH ISAC THE TOWNS SEC.
AND SO MIKE, THANK YOU FIRST OF ALL.
UM, WHAT'S YOUR NAME AGAIN? BUD? LOGAN.
I'M A STUDENT SUPPORT COACH AT E WILSON MORRISON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND IT'S BEEN AN ENTIRE MONTH SINCE I'VE HAD A HUG FROM A STUDENT.
SO COULD I GET ONE?
WHO ARE EMMA? EMMA, THIS IS GONNA BE REALLY HARD FOR YOU TO BELIEVE.
I WAS A CHEERLEADER AT VIRGINIA COMMONWEALTH UNIVERSITY.
IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE LIKE ME WOULD BE WILD AND OUT OF CONTROL.
GOOD EVENING, YOU MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL WILLIAMS AND I LIVE HERE IN THE BEAUTIFUL TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
I'VE HAD THE JOY OF BEING PART OF THIS BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY FOR OVER 25 YEARS.
MY ROTARY CLUB, THE ROTARY CLUB OF WARREN COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO HELP OUR BEAUTIFUL TOWN BECOME EVEN MORE OF INVITING TO VISITORS AND TO OUR OWN RESIDENTS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO INVEST $4,000 WITH THE HOPES OF A MATCHING GRANT OF $4,000 TOTALING $8,000 FROM OUR ROTARY DISTRICT IN ORDER TO PURCHASE TREES, SEASONAL FLOWERS, AND OTHER NEEDS FOR THE ENTRANCE TO OUR TOWN ON JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY.
WITH THE HELP OF MR. PROCTOR, OUR TREE STEWARDS AND OTHER NONPROFITS, LOCAL NONPROFITS, THE TOTAL INVESTMENT FROM ALL GROUPS WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANY TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO MAKE THIS GOAL A REALITY.
ALL WE WOULD ASK FOR FROM THE TOWN IS APPROVAL TO USE THE LAND FOR THIS PURPOSE.
SOME IN-KIND LABOR TO HELP REMOVE THE CURRENT INVASIVE TREES, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE NEAR POWER LINES.
TRUST ME, YOU DON'T WANT ME OPERATING YOUR HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
AS FAR AS UPKEEP, WATERING, WEEDING AND MULCHING, WE WOULD ENVISION OUR CLUB WORKING WITH OTHER NONPROFITS, INCLUDING OUR, OUR LOCAL YOUTH, UM, OUR YOUTH, UH, UH, VOLUNTEER GROUPS, INTERACT AND EARLY ACT TO HELP TO HELP KEEP THIS LOOKING NICE, WEEDING, MULCHING, ET CETERA.
WE WOULD ENVISION OUR CLUB WORK LIKE MOST OF YOU.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE SMILES ON PEOPLE'S FACES WHEN THEY COME TO VISIT OUR BEAUTIFUL TOWN, SPEND LOTS OF MONEY IN OUR TOWN AND GET OUT.
I HOPE THAT YOU WILL PAUSE FOR LAUGHTER.
I HOPE THAT YOU WILL ALL SUPPORT THIS EFFORT AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS I WAS TOLD TO KEEP US SHORT.
THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. SO COUNSEL, UM, AS MR. WILLIAMS STATED, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, COUNSEL DISCUSSION OR SUPPORT.
AND I'M GONNA, I THINK I ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT FOR EVERYBODY'S BENEFIT, THE IDEA IS THAT THE ROTARY, UH, CLUB ROTARY INTERNATIONAL WOULD BE SEEKING A GRANT OR MATCHING GRANT AND THOSE FUNDS WOULD BE SPENT ON YEAH, SO WE'RE, MY CLUB IS WILLING TO PUT 4,000 BUCKS UP FRONT.
THE IDEA IS FOR OUR ROTARY DISTRICT, WHICH IS FROM WINCHESTER, VIRGINIA, DOWN TO UNICOI COUNTY, TENNESSEE, TO MATCH THAT WITH $4,000, WHICH WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT WE'LL GET CUZ WE HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR A DISTRICT GRANT SINCE I WROTE ONE FOR E WILSON MORRISON ELEMENTARY TO REDO OUR PLAYGROUND.
AND, UM, AND I THINK I ACTUALLY PLAYED ON THAT PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT WHEN I WAS SEVEN YEARS OLD.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, THE, UM, THE, THE IDEA IS FOR NO TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO GO INTO THIS AND JUST FOR US TO DO SOMETHING KIND FOR COMMUNITY, WHICH WE LOVE.
AND, UM, WHEN WE FINALLY DO IT TO INVOLVE SWEAT EQUITY AND HELPING TO ACTUALLY PLANT THE TREES AND KEEP 'EM WATERED AND KEEP THE THINGS WEEDED AND WHATNOT.
AND MAYBE WHEN WE DO IT, IF YOU GOOD PEOPLE WOULD JOIN US AS WELL, THAT THAT'D BE REALLY NICE.
DOES N DO ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM MR. WILLIAMS? UH, DO YOU HAVE AN ANTICIPATED, UH, TIMEFRAME FOR THIS, MICHAEL? UH, AS SOON AS YOU GUYS, UH,
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SMOOTH IT, WE'LL MOVE FROM THERE.I WAS JUST WONDERING, UH, IF, UH, THE TREE STEWARDS HAVE, UH, LAID OUT THE TYPE OF, UH, TREES THAT THEY PLANT ON.
UH, I KNOW THEY'RE NATIVE SPECIES, BUT, OKAY.
ALL I KNOW IS I SAID IF THERE WERE ANY BRADFORD PRAYERS THAT I WOULD PERSONALLY CUT THEM DOWN
BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE SPECIES THAT ARE, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THIS AREA.
THAT WOULD NOT BE, THAT WOULD NOT BE TAKING OVER THE, UM, POWER LINES AND NOT BE ONES THAT WOULD RIGHT.
THAT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE AREA.
BUT ONES THAT WOULD BE PRETTY, AND NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
I, I, I'M, I'M A PIG FARMER FROM FAULK CARE COUNTY.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT NO PALM TREES? NO, THERE WOULD BE NO PALM TREES.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THE TOWN'S ESAT COMMITTEE AND ARBORISTS, YOU ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE, THANK YOU ALL BE PART OF YOU.
THERE, THERE WERE SOME OTHER COMMITTEES INVOLVED, BUT I, I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THE NAMES, BUT THERE THEY ARE.
THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED THAT ARE GONNA BE CONTRIBUTING AND, AND ALL THAT.
WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH JUST SUPPLYING THE MONEY AND THE, AND THE SWEAT EQUITY.
ALL THE SMART PEOPLE ARE DOING THE, WHATEVER THE TREES ARE AND THE THINGS THAT MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY.
YOU, YOU, UH, DON'T GIVE YOURSELF ENOUGH CREDIT, MR. THAT'S OKAY.
IT'S EXACTLY THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS.
COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, NOT ENGAGING WITH COUNCIL, NOT ENGAGING WITH POLITICS, AND ADDRESSING A NEED THAT, UH, IS GONNA JUST HELP BEAUTIFY, UH, OUR COMMUNITY.
AND, AND, AND AGAIN, REINFORCE WELCOMING PEOPLE TO COME IN HERE.
MICHAEL, YOU ALWAYS DO A GOOD JOB.
I'VE BEEN PART OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR 25 YEARS.
AND UM, JUST TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING NICE FOR A TOWN, REALLY.
AND GOOD JOB TO THE ROTARY AND, AND ALL THE REST.
IT'S, I THINK THEY RAN OUT OF PEOPLE TO BECOME PRESIDENT, SO I WAS
UM, I JUST, ONE THING IF YOU DON'T MIND, UM, I HATE TO BRING THIS UP, BUT IT WAS IN OUR PACKET.
YOU MIGHT WANNA CHECK OUT YOUR FACE SHEET ON THE GRANT CUZ YOU HAVE THE EXTRA ZERO IN THERE.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ASKING FOR 40,000.
YEAH, WE WE'RE NOT DOING THAT
YEAH, WE'RE WE, IT'S 4,000, WHICH WE'RE GUARANTEEING AND THEN HOPEFULLY OUR DISTRICT WOULD MATCH THAT 4,000 AND WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT WE'LL GET THAT.
BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT MESSAGE.
WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU 40 GRAND.
SORRY, MR. WILLIAMS. IT'S, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE NEXT STEP IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE, ISN'T IT DUE BY LIKE JUNE 30TH, THE APPLICATION? YEAH.
WE NEED SOMETHING FROM YOU GUYS SAYING, I THINK JOE UNDERSTANDS ALL THAT.
UM, AND THEN ONCE WE GET THAT, THEN OUR, OUR, UM, GRANTS CHAIR, GLENWOOD, UH, WOULD THEN SUBMIT ALL THAT TO ROTARY OUR DISTRICT AND THEN THEY WOULD GIVE US THE YAY OR NAY AND WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT IT WOULD BE A YAY.
CUZ WE HAVEN'T ASKED HIM FOR MUCH IN A LONG WHILE.
I, UH, MS. PRESLEY OR MR. SONNET, WE DON'T, DO WE NEED TO TAKE AN OFFICIAL VOTE ON THIS? OR IS IT JUST A CONSENSUS THAT WE ARE IN SUPPORT? HOW DOES, WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE FROM US? UH, UH, MADAM MAYOR, THAT'S, UH, ITEM 11 A FOR LETTER OF SUPPORT.
THAT'S WHY I, I THOUGHT IT WAS LATER IN THE THING.
11 A BUT THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOW? I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO STAY ALL THE WAY TILL 11 A IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.
MR. ROYAL, I WAS GONNA SAY WE CAN, I CAN MESSAGE YOU.
JUST LEMME KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, NEXT UP IS ITEM SIX B, WHICH IS A PROCLAMATION FOR EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION WEEK FOR ALL THE EMPLOYEES OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
UM, THE, AND THE SUMMARY IS THAT COUNSELS REQUESTED TO APPROVE A PROCLAMATION PROCLAIMING JULY 23RD THROUGH JULY 29TH.
2023 IS EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION WEEK FOR ALL EMPLOYEES OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
AND I, UM, I CAN READ THE PROCLAMATION FIRST OR SHOULD WE WAIT UNTIL THERE'S A MOTION AND THAT COULD BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
DO I HEAR A MOTION MADAM MAYOR? I MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPROVE A PROCLAMATION PROCLAIMING JULY 23RD, THE JULY 29TH, 2023 AS EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION WEEK FOR ALL EMPLOYEES OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AS PRESENTED.
OKAY, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND FOR DISCUSSION, I'M GONNA READ THE PROCLAMATION.
UM, AND I WILL SAY THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES AS, AS SERVING UP HERE THAT, UM,
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I KNOW WE ALL, UH, ENJOY HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO, WHICH IS TO RECOGNIZE OUR, OUR STAFF AND OUR EMPLOYEES.SO WHEREAS EMPLOYEES ARE PROFESSIONALS WHO PROVIDE QUALITY PUBLIC SERVICE TO THE TOWN OF FRONT ROW RESIDENTS, CUSTOMERS, AND VISITORS, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 24 HOURS A DAY, AND ALL TYPES OF WEATHER, SOMETIMES WORKING OUTSIDE THEIR NORMAL JOB DUTIES TO ASSIST DURING AN EMERGENCY AND OR DURING UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND WHEREAS DURING THOSE TIME OF WORKING AFTER HOURS, EMPLOYEES ARE TAKEN AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME, WHICH IS A REFLECTION OF THEIR DEDICATION AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE PEOPLE IN THEIR COMMUNITY IN TIMES OF SAFETY AND INCONVENIENCES.
AND WHEREAS TOWN EMPLOYEES ASSIST TURNING CHAOS INTO ORDER, CONFUSION INTO CLARITY AND BRINGING PEACE FOR TODAY TO CREATE A VISION FOR TOMORROW WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION AND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL HAS 167 FULL AND PART-TIME EMPLOYEES RECOGNIZED IN THE DEPARTMENTS OF ATTORNEY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, TOURISM, ENERGY SERVICES, FINANCE, PURCHASING, HUMAN RESOURCES, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY MANAGER PLANNING, ZONING, POLICE, PUBLIC WORKS, WHICH INCLUDES THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, WASTEWATER, TREATMENT PLANTS, SOLID WASTE RECYCLING, STREET HORTICULTURE, SUN SHOP, WATER AND SEWER, AND VEHICLE MAINTENANCE.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA HEREBY EXPRESS DEEP AND SINCERE GRATITUDE TO ALL THE EMPLOYEES OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL FOR THEIR ULTIMATE SACRIFICES AND VITAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO ALL OUR CITIZENS.
AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT JULY 23RD THROUGH JULY 29TH, 2023, BE DESIGNATED AS EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION WEEK FOR ALL EMPLOYEES OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I WAS GONNA ADD IT IN MY COUNSEL REPORT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO JOE FOR ALL THAT HE'S ORGANIZING.
I WON'T SPOIL ANY OF THE SURPRISES, BUT I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER TOWN MANAGER TO BE HERE FOR THIS EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION WEEK BECAUSE, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JOE REPRESENTED WHEN HE WAS HERE SERVING THE TOWN PREVIOUSLY WAS HIS APPRECIATION FOR ALL OF THE TOWN EMPLOYEES.
AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE A FUN WEEK TO LOOK FORWARD TO.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK ALL THE 167, UH, EMPLOYEES, UH, THAT THEY, UH, DO A GREAT JOB, UH, ALL ON CALL.
A LOT OF 'EM ARE ON CALL ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT AND, UH, WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE 'EM.
ANYONE ELSE? JUST ANOTHER QUICK, UH, ATTABOY, UH, FOR ALL OF OUR FOLKS THAT SUPPORT OUR TOWN, YOU DO A TREMENDOUS JOB.
UH, WHENEVER I SEE YOU GUYS EVEN ABOUT DRIVING DOWN THE STREET AND I SEE ONE OF THOSE YELLOW ORANGE PRESS, I'LL STOP AND SAY THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
SO, UH, YOU DO GO UNAPPRECIATED QUITE OFTEN AND I THINK THIS IS A NICE ATTABOY FOR, FOR OUR, UH, TOWN EMPLOYEES.
ALL RIGHT, MS. PRESLEY, DO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL? COUNCILMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES.
[7.A. Special Use Permit for Short-Term Rental at 211 S. Royal Avenue – Vesta Property]
TO OUR, UM, PUBLIC HEARINGS.AND, UH, BEFORE WE DO, JUST TO, UH, REVIEW, UM, SOME, UH, PROCEDURES WITH OUR PUBLIC HEARING SECTION, THE AGENDA, UM, PUBLIC HEARINGS, OR AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNSEL TO LEARN OF INFORMATION OF WHICH THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY AWARE.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, THEN COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
IF THE COMMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE, YOU MAY SIMPLY SAY THAT YOU AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER.
THERE IS A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT FOR SPEAKERS, WHICH, UM, STARTING TONIGHT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE CHANGE FOR US.
UH, EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UM, IF YOU'RE NOT DONE AND IT WAS THREE MINUTES, YOU'LL HAVE 30 SECONDS AND THEN THE MICROPHONE WILL GO OFF.
AND THAT WAY WE'LL, UM, UM, HOPEFULLY DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER JOB STICKING TO OUR, UH, OUR TIME LIMIT FOR, UM, UH, COMMENTS.
SO REMEMBER, SPEAKERS TO COME, UH, TO ACTUALLY SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT THE ISSUE, NO PERSONAL ATTACKS OR A DECOROUS LANGUAGE.
SO WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AT TWO 11 SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE.
UM, MS. PRESLEY, CAN YOU READ THE SUMMARY? COUNSEL'S RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM VESTA PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW
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A SHORT TERM RENTAL AT TWO 11 SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE.THE PROPERTY IS ZONE C DASH ONE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT AND LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO RENT THE WHOLE HOUSE WITH THREE BEDROOMS AND NO MORE THAN SIX OCCUPANTS AT A TIME.
STAFF HAS DETERMINED THERE IS SUFFICIENT OFFS, STREET PARKING FOR THIS USE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS REQUEST ON MAY 17TH AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH NO CONDITIONS.
UM, NORMALLY WE JUST ASK IF IS THERE ANYTHING THAT STAFF OR THE APPLICANT WANTS TO ADD BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY.
I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MS. PRESLEY, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THE NO ONE SIGNED UP? IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S THAT'S HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? OKAY.
SINCE THERE IS NO ONE, UH, WISHING TO SPEAK, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL.
DO I HEAR A MOTION? MADAM MAYOR? I MOVE THAT COUNCIL, APPROVE THE REQUEST FROM VESTA PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ALLOWING THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AT TWO 11 SOUTH RAW AVENUE TAX MAP.
2087 DASH FOUR DASH 1 0 5 AS PRESENTED SECOND.
AND SO NOW, UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION FROM COUNSEL? OKAY, SINCE THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? COUNCILWOMAN D DAMCO PAYNE? YES.
[7.B. Special Use Permit for Short-Term Rental at 1121 John Marshall Highway – Cook Realty]
B IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 1121 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY.UM, MS. PRESLEY, DO YOU MIND READING THAT SUMMARY? COUNSEL HAS RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM COOK REALTY L L C FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 1121 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED OUR DASH ONE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF THREE PARCELS WITH A PRIMARY AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE LOCATED ON TWO LOTS.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO RENT THE SINGLE STRUCTURE WITH THREE BEDROOMS AND NO MORE THAN SIX OCCUPANTS AT A TIME.
PARKING IS LIMITED TO THREE CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS REQUEST ON MAY 17TH AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS CONTINGENT UPON THE UNIT'S PASSING STAFF INSPECTION BEFORE COMMENCEMENT OF USE.
AND NUMBER TWO, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS VALID FOR ONE YEAR, AT WHICH TIME THE APPLICANT MUST REAPPLY.
THE APPLICATION WILL BE WAIVED.
APPLICATION FEE, I BELIEVE IS WHAT THAT SHOULD SAY.
UM, BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT STAFF WISHES TO SAY ABOUT THIS? UM, OKAY.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO OFFER BEFORE WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING? AND JUST FOR A REFERENCE FOR, FOR MS. COOK OR OTHERS AS THE APPLICANT? THE THREE MINUTE, THE THE THING TURNING OFF ON YOU IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
SOMETIMES THAT WOULD BE GOOD WITH ME.
AND ALSO MR. GLAVIS IS AT THE END OF ELM STREET.
UM, I HAD SEVERAL OTHER NEIGHBORS CONTACT ME YESTERDAY AND TODAY AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, I KNEW THAT THEY SUPPORTED IT.
SO I'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THEM DURING THE CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, EVEN WAIV OUR TIMES WHEN WE WOULD START CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE ALWAYS TRIED TO BE VERY DILIGENT ABOUT BEING MINDFUL ABOUT THE AREA.
ALTHOUGH IT IS A VERY HEAVILY TRAVELED AREA, AS YOU KNOW, THE CORRIDOR GOING DOWN 55 IS HEAVILY TRAFFICKED.
UM, WHICH IS WHY I WAS SURE TO PUT A LOT OF TREES.
WE PUT OVER 50 TREES ON THE PROPERTY AND WE DID THAT SO THAT THERE WOULD NOT ONLY BE A SCREENING FOR THE TRAFFIC, BUT WOULD ALL ALSO BE A BEAUTIFICATION.
SO THOSE ARE YO OCEANA, CHERRY AND KWANZA CHERRY TREES THAT I PLACED THERE BECAUSE I WANTED IT TO BE SOMETHING WHEN WASHINGTONIANS OR OTHER PEOPLE CAME INTO OUR GATEWAY, WHICH IS, THERE'S A GATEWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN, BUT 55 IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S MOSTLY TRAVELED BY WASHINGTONIANS.
AND I REALLY WANTED THEM TO SEE MORE OF OUR COMMUNITY
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THAN JUST, I'M SORRY, A VAPE SHOP.UM, AND SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE SUCH A, AND THAT IS SUCH A MEMORABLE, UM, LITTLE PLACE SINCE I WAS A YOUNG GIRL.
I HAVE SEEN THAT PLACE AND JUST ADORED IT.
AND SO TO RESTORE IT WAS AN ACT OF LOVE FOR MY COMMUNITY, NOT JUST MYSELF.
UM, I HAD PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED OVER A THOUSAND COMMENTS, UM, FROM MY, FROM WHAT'S UP FRONT, ROYAL, FROM PEOPLE COMING TO ME IN SUPPORT OF WHAT I'VE DONE FULLY KNOWING THAT THIS WAS A MOTOR COACH LODGE.
AND THAT IS REALLY THE ONLY PROPER THING TO BE USED FOR THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, A LONG-TERM RENTAL WOULD BE HORRIBLE THERE BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T CONTROL THE NARRATIVE.
UM, IT WOULD BE A LOWER INCOME TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENT BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE OF THE CABINS.
SO THE AIRBNB FITS THE MODEL AND WILL PREDOMINANTLY BE USED ON THE WEEKENDS IS WHAT I HAVE SEEN FOR MOST OF OUR AIRBNBS.
AND I DO HAVE OTHER ONES IN THE COUNTY, SO I DO HAVE EXPERIENCE MANAGING THEM.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS.
I DID MAKE COPIES OF THESE AND I DON'T KNOW THE PROTOCOL FOR TURNING THEM IN, SO I WILL GIVE THEM TO HER.
AND I WILL, SORRY, I WILL SAY THAT THIS ALSO IS IN LINE WITH THE NEXT COMP PLAN THAT'S BEEN ACCEPTED FOR THIS AREA.
SO AS A MIXED USE, I THINK THAT IT FIT WELL INTO WHAT THAT COMP PLAN IS SUGGESTING FOR THAT AREA.
BUT I'M ALSO HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYBODY ON COUNSEL THAT HAS QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? I KNOW YOU CAN ALWAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ADD TO THE DISCUSSION, BUT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
HI, HOW ARE YOU? I'M FINE, MR. RAPOR.
HOW ARE YOU? I'M DOING WELL, THANK YOU.
UH, THE ONLY CONCERNS THAT THAT, THAT I HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT WAS, UH, THE EVENT, THE POTENTIAL EVENTS, UH, THAT COULD BE HELD THERE.
UH, HOW LARGE DO YOU FORESEE EVENTS BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED PARKING? UH, UH, THAT, THAT'S, UH, SOME FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD INDICATED TO ME THAT, THAT THAT WAS A CONCERN.
IF YOU COULD ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE.
I, UM, ACTUALLY GOT A CALL FROM SOMEBODY LAST NIGHT THAT YOU HAD VISITED AND THEY SAID THAT, UM, THEY ACTUALLY WERE IN SUPPORT.
UM, BUT I TOLD THEM AS WELL THE, YOU KNOW, WITH ANY AIRBNB YOU CAN HAVE EVENTS.
THEY RENT THEM FOR BIRTHDAY PARTIES, THEY RENT THEM TO CONTROL THAT NARRATIVE WOULD BE VERY HARD.
BUT WE HAVE 25 PARKING SPACES THERE, SO I DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE VERY LARGE EVENTS.
WHAT I SAW THIS BEING REALLY GOOD FOR IS SMALL VOW RENEWALS OR SOME SORT OF BIRTHDAY PARTIES, SMALL FAMILY REUNIONS, SMALL GET-TOGETHERS.
I'VE ALSO BEEN ASKED BY SEVERAL, UM, WASHINGTONIAN GROUPS TO COME AND HAVE SMALL CONFERENCES THERE.
SO I'VE ALSO BEEN ASKED BY SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS IF THEY COULD HAVE THEIR MEETINGS THERE.
SO THAT'S MORE THE EVENTS THAT I SPOKE TO.
UH, AND YOU'VE DONE A, A MAGNIFICENT, UH, JOB WITH IT AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF IT AND IT, IT, IT REALLY LOOKS NICE.
MR. KOCH, ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PARKING, I THOUGHT I RECALLED AT THE WORK SESSION, BUT MAYBE I'M WRONG IS, OR MAYBE I READ THIS SOMEWHERE.
DIDN'T THE CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET OFFER THAT IF NECESSARY THAT THAT THEIR PARKING LOT? MM-HMM.
YOU COULD HAVE A SPILL OVER THERE IF YOU NEEDED TO.
YEAH, THEY'VE ACTUALLY OFFERED THAT.
AND THEY'VE EVEN SAID THAT IF, UM, THERE WAS EVER A NEED BE THAT IT COULD BE FOR SEVERAL DAYS THAT THEY COULD USE THE PARKING, THEY'RE VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT BECAUSE THE ACTIVITIES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY GOING ON HERE, UM, WERE LESS THAN DESIRABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THEY FELT THAT IT HAD REALLY CLEANED THE NEIGHBORHOOD UP, AND THAT'S REALLY, UM, SPOKE POSITIVELY TO THEIR, THEIR CHURCH CONGREGATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? JUST A BRIEF COMMENT.
IT IS A, UH, WELCOMING, UH, REFRESHING, UH, ADDITION TO COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK, I TRULY APPRECIATE THAT.
IT'S BEEN A LABOR OF LOVE TO SAY THE LEAST.
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UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, I'M GONNA ACTUALLY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.SO WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MS. PRESLEY, IS THERE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, WE HAVE FOUR.
I LIVE AT FOUR 11 DUNCAN AVENUE, FRONT ROYAL, IT'S NICE TO MEET YOU, MS. BRADLEY.
SEE, I SEE YOUR NAME ON A, A PRAYER GROUP ON FACEBOOK.
UM, MY NAME IS CONNIE BRADLEY AND I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO SUPPORT SHELLEY COOK IN THE PROJECT TO TRELLIS.
I BELIEVE THE PLACE REPRESENTS HOPE RESTORED TO MANY OF THE LONGTIME RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S SO ENCOURAGING TO KNOW THAT OUR COMMUNITY NOW HAS A TASTEFUL, UPDATED VENUE ESTABLISHMENT WHERE PEOPLE CAN JUST COME IN TO RELAX A PLACE OF SERENITY AND BEAUTY, A PLACE TO UNWIND, TO DISCONNECT, TO RECHARGE, A GIFT OF BEAUTY FOR THE RESIDENTS TO ADMIRE AS THEY TRAVEL DOWN.
IT'S A BREATH OF FRESH AIR TO OUR COMMUNITY, A DEFINITE ASSET FROM ITS FORMER STATE OF DISREPAIR AND FROM JUST ANOTHER NEGLECTED RUNDOWN PROPERTY BEING TRANSFORMED TO A BEAUTIFUL VENUE.
WE NOW SEE THE TWO YEARS SHE INVESTED HER SWEAT, HER EQUITY, ENDURING THE SETBACKS AND DELAYS IS NOW ABOUT TO PAY OFF.
I APPLAUD HER EFFORTS AND THANK HER FOR ALLOWING US TO VIEW HER PROJECT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
SHE WENT THROUGH THE PROJECT AND SHE WOULD LET US PEEK IN AND ACTUALLY SEE THE PROJECT THAT WAS GOING ON.
SHE ALLOWED US TO TAKE THE JOURNEY WITH HER.
WE, WE NEED MORE OF THAT, MORE TRANSPARENCY.
WHAT A TREASURE SHE HAS SHARED WITH US ALL.
YES, I, AS WELL AS SO MANY OTHERS ARE THRILLED TO SEE MS. COOK'S EFFORTS COME TO FRUITION.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE TRAILS AND WHAT IT HAS TO OFFER.
LET'S GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I LIVE, LIVE AT 1415 MARKHAM STREET.
AND JUST BEING A NEIGHBOR OF THE TRELLIS AND BEING IN THE AREA, I THINK IT'S A BIG IMPROVEMENT AND I THINK IT GIVES THEM MORE TO OFFER OTHER THAN OUR MOTELS AND OUR HOTELS.
AND, UM, I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE EVENTS AND NICE FOR THE, FOR THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN AND THE VISITING PEOPLE.
I ANDY ROBINSON, FOUR 13 VISCO AVENUE.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT SHELLY COOK.
I HAVE BEEN A LOCAL RESIDENT FOR THE MAJORITY OF MY LIFE AND A LOCAL REAL ESTATE AGENT FOR NEARLY 14 YEARS.
IN THAT TIME, I'VE SERVED ON MANY LOCAL COMMITTEES AND BOARDS.
A CONSTANT ISSUE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ON WHETHER IT'S THE DOWNTOWN OR WHATEVER COMMITTEE I WAS ON, IS THAT WE HAVE VISITORS, BUT THEY DON'T STAY.
WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM WASHINGTON, BUT THEY LEAVE AT THE END OF THE DAY AND THEY LEAVE BECAUSE A SUPER EIGHT OR A HAMPTON INN DOESN'T ALWAYS FIT THEIR BILL.
WE NEED A LUXURY ACCOMMODATION THAT OFFERS THAT NOT, OR THE TRELLIS OFFERS THAT.
NOT ONLY THAT, IT ALSO IMPROVES AN ENTRANCE CORRIDOR, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID.
IT BEAUTIFIES THE AREA AND IT UPLIFTS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR CARRO AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
UH, JOE BROGAN, 1 43 BERGEN'S LANE.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I APPLAUD THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS PROPERTY THAT'S SUBSTANTIAL DE YOU KNOW, INVESTMENT THAT'S TURNED THIS BLIGHTED PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF AND ONE OF OUR GATEWAYS, MAJOR GATEWAYS INTO THE TOWN.
AND WITH THAT, I REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
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THAT'S ALL FOR, IS THERE, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION? OKAY.I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL.
DO I HEAR A MOTION? MADAM MAYOR? I MOVE THAT COUNCIL, APPROVE THE REQUEST FROM COOK REALTY LLC FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 1121 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY TAX MAP TWO ZERO A 1 0 3 8 AS PRESENTED AND UPON THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.
ONE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS CONTINGENT UPON THE UNITS PASSING STAFF INSPECTION BEFORE COMMENCEMENT OF USE.
AND SO WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION.
WASN'T THERE A SET? I DID CHANGE THE MOTION I MENTIONED AT OUR LAST WORK SESSION, UM, FOR THOSE WHO WERE THERE, THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING FROM HOME, UM, I'VE BEEN ON THIS COUNCIL SINCE THE INCEPTION OF SHORT TERM RENTALS.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR CODE THAT THERE IS A COMPLAINT BASIS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
WE'VE CURRENTLY RECEIVED ZERO COMPLAINTS FOR ANY OF OUR SHORT TERM RENTALS, AND WE'VE NEVER PUT A PROVISION FOR A ONE YEAR REAPPLICATION FOR ANY OF THOSE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SO I MOVE THE MOTION AS STATED WITH ONLY ONE CONDITION.
AND THIS, I, NOW I'M LOSING MY JOSH SECOND TRAIN THOUGHT JOSH SECOND.
I WAS SO, MS. MORRIS MADE THE MOTION AND MR. INGRAM SECONDED IT.
UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I WILL START.
UM, CUZ I WANTED TO, BEFORE WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE WAS SAYING SUCH POSITIVE THINGS, UM, I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S REDUNDANT FOR ME TO SAY WHAT A GREAT PROJECT IT IS.
UM, I FEEL LIKE THERE WERE MOMENTS WHERE I WAS ALMOST OBSESSED BECAUSE EVERY I I TRAVEL PAST THAT LOCATION EVERY DAY, UH, TO AND FROM TOWN.
SO SOMETIMES IT'S THREE, FOUR TIMES A DAY AND I'M WATCHING AND WAITING AND, AND IT'S OFTEN DINNER TABLE CONVERSATION FOR US AT OUR HOUSE.
LIKE, DID YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENED TODAY? DID YOU LOOK AT THIS? UM, I FOLLOW ON FACEBOOK AS YOU SAID, I FEEL LIKE I, I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN PART OF THE JOURNEY FROM JUST WATCHING IT.
UM, AND WHEN THIS FIRST STARTED, UM, I WAS ACTUALLY VISITING LAKE GASTON WHERE, UM, HALLS MOTOR COURT WAS ONE OF THE NAMES.
IT WAS WILSON'S, I BELIEVE, TO START.
AND THEN IT WAS HALL'S MOTOR COURT.
AND, UH, MR. HALL'S GRANDDAUGHTER, UH, LIVES IN LAKE GASTON.
AND I WAS, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT AND SHE PULLED OUT THE OLD POSTCARD OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, THE TOPOGRAPHICAL AND JUST HOW EXCITED THEY WERE.
SHE REMEMBERED LIVING IN ONE OF THE, UH, CABINS AND HER GRANDFATHER LIVED IN THE MAIN HOUSE.
SO, UM, BEING A LONG-TERM RESIDENT, I JUST, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE FACT THAT WE'D TAKEN SOMETHING THAT WAS THERE.
UM, AND WE DIDN'T TEAR IT DOWN.
AND SO I JUST, I JUST THINK IT'S WONDERFUL.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE, EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT IT.
UM, AND SO I, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU, NOT JUST FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR INVESTMENT AND YOUR MONEY.
AND I KNOW, I KNOW FROM GOING BY THERE, THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THAT.
UM, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY ATTABOY.
WHO ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SORRY.
I WILL SAY I'VE BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE AND I'VE NEVER SEEN IT LOOK THAT GOOD, MS. COOK.
I, I'VE SEEN IT GO FROM SOSO TO DOWNHILL THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE IT TORN DOWN AND NOW IT'S BACK UP AND IT LOOKS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL.
ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? UH, MADAM MAYOR? UH, I THINK THAT THE, IT'S THERE, THERE'S NO ARGUMENT THAT THERE, THAT THIS, UH, I GUESS THIS, UH, REIMAGINATION OF WHAT THIS PROPERTY COULD BE IS JU IT'S OFF, OFF THE CHARTS.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOKED AT A BELL CURVE, IT WOULD BE LIKE WAY OUT OF HERE.
SO IT'S, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT.
UH, IT'S JUST, I, I, I WOULD, UH, PREFER TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, HAVE THE, UH, NUMBER TWO, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, IS VALID FOR ONE YEAR, AT WHICH TIME THE APPLICANT MUST REAPPLY.
THE APPLICATION WILL BE WAIVED AFTER ONE YEAR.
I BELIEVE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THINGS, THIS WAS THE FEEDBACK THAT I GOT FROM, UH, THE SURVEY OF SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THAT THEY, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW IT GOES.
UM, SO THAT'S, BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT.
I JUST WANT IT, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION
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THAT, UH, THAT THAT, UH, UH, NUMBER TWO WOULD BE, UH, ON THE LIST TO NOT I UNDERSTAND MR. RAPPAPORT.THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS WITHOUT NUMBER TWO.
UM, AND SO I APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK MM-HMM.
BUT WHEN WE DO VOTE, IT WOULD BE WITH THAT MOTION, CORRECT.
MS. PRESLEY? IT WOULD BE THE, YEAH, YOU CAN MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR.
IF YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION, MR. RAPPAPORT? YES MA'AM.
YOU WOULD NEED A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION THAT HE JUST MADES MAKING AN, HE'S MAKING AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR.
MR. SONNET, IN YEARS PRIOR, THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR MUST BE VOTED ON AND THEN DENIED AND THEN ANOTHER MOTION CAN BE MADE.
UH, NO, YOU CAN AMEND THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
UM, I THINK YOU CAN DO IT BY SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION.
AND THEN I GUESS WE NOW HAVE A SECOND.
SO NOW WE'RE IN DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT.
MAY I HAVE MY ATTORNEY TO YEP.
SO WE'RE, SO THE DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW IS ON THE AMENDED MOTION, WHICH IS WAS, UH, TO INCLUDE A, UM, UH, UH, A CONDITION OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT BEING VALID FOR O FOR ONLY ONE YEAR, AND THEN, UH, HAVING THE APPLICANT REAPPLY AND THE APPLICATION WOULD BE WAIVED.
MS. UM, COUNCILWOMAN MOORES, YOU ASKED TO SPEAK FIRST.
I DIDN'T GET TO ADD DISCUSSION TO MY ORIGINAL MOTION, SO THANK YOU.
UM, I JUST TOO WANNA COMMEND MRS. COOK AND I KNOW MR. BROGAN PROBABLY DID SOME SURVEYING AND MS. ROBINSON BACK THERE PROBABLY DID SOME REAL ESTATE WORK ON THAT.
UM, AS SOMEBODY WHO WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE, I LOVED, I'M EXTREMELY HUMBLED TO SEE PEOPLE REINVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY A LABOR OF LOVE.
THE MONEY THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THAT I'M SURE HAS BEEN ASTRONOMICAL.
AND, UM, FOR MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, I DID MAKE IT VERY CLEAR AT THE WORK SESSION THAT WE HAD NEVER DONE THIS FOR ANY SHORT TERM RENTAL APPLICANT.
IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD ZERO COMPLAINTS ON EVERY SHORT TERM RENTAL APPLICATION THAT WE HAVE APPROVED.
STAFF CONFIRMED THAT AT THE WORK SESSION AS WELL.
I ALSO JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT NOT ONLY SHORT TERM RENTALS, BUT ANY RESIDENCE IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL OR THE COUNTY OF WARREN CAN BE AN EVENT CENTER.
UM, I LIVE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH STREET PARKING, AND AS LONG AS THE PEOPLE ARE PARKED ON THE STREET, I CAN HAVE A WEDDING.
I CAN HAVE A PARTY, A BARBECUE, A VOW RENEWAL, A CONVENTION, WHATEVER.
I WISH THAT IS MY RIGHT AS THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, I DO NOT THINK THAT IT IS FAIR TO PREEMPTIVELY REQUIRE SOMEONE TO COME BACK IN ONE YEAR WHEN WE DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY POSSIBLY BE COMPLAINTS.
AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S BORDERLINE DISCRIMINATORY SINCE WE HAVEN'T IMPLEMENTED THAT WITH ANY SINGLE OTHER APPLICANT.
UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I STILL STAND AND MY POSITION THAT WE SHOULD HANDLE THIS IS WE'VE HANDLED EVERY SINGLE SHORT TERM RENTAL APPLICATION THAT'S GONE BEFORE IT.
YEAH, MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO, UH, CHIME IN HERE FOR A CHANGE ON THIS.
UH, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT EVERYTHING, WHAT COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS HAS SAID, BUT I AGREE WITH HER IN A SENSE THAT, UH, WE'VE NEVER ASKED FOR A YEAR, UH, RENEWAL ON ANY OF THE SUBS WE'VE APPROVED THUS FAR.
UH, WHEN I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHENEVER THIS, UM, ISSUE WITH, OR THE QUESTION I SHOULD SAY BROUGHT FORTH ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS IN GENERAL, UH, I WAS AN ADVOCATE CUZ I, FOR IN A SENSE THAT ONE OF THE PROS THAT I POINTED OUT WAS, WAS, WAS JUST THIS, IT WAS PEOPLE TAKING BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURE THAT WERE, HAD BEEN DILAPIDATED OR ABANDONED FOR, FOR YEARS AND IMPROVING THEM.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE'RE, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THIS IN THE LAST FEW APPLICATIONS.
AND IT'S NOT JUST YOU MS. COOK, I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN OTHER PROPERTIES WHERE OWNERS HAVE HAVE FIXED UP.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME MOTIVATION TO, TO IMPROVE THEM.
AND IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IT'S A PLUS FOR OUR COMMUNITY IN THAT REGARD.
AND I LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND, AND I AGAIN, AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCIL MOORE'S SAYING, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION IS FOR THE, FOR THE ONE YEAR, UH, ONE YEAR, UH, RENEWAL IS, I MEAN, IF IT'S, IF IT'S APPLICABLE TO THIS, THEN I QUESTION OTHER PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TO THE SAME CRITERIA.
AND I JUST DON'T COME TO THAT CONCLUSION.
SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
I DID FORGET TO ADD, THIS WAS NOT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THIS WAS PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PREVIOUS WORK SESSION MEETING.
MAYOR, IF I MAY OKAY, GO AHEAD.
WE'RE GONNA LET EVERYBODY GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK FIRST AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK.
AS I SAID, I THINK THIS IS AN OUTSTANDING ADDITION TO NOT ONLY THE ENTRANCE TO OUR COMMUNITY, BUT TURN HIS MIC.
YEAH, PUT IT UP TO YOUR MOUTH A LITTLE BIT.
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UH, SORRY.UH, BUT I WANTED TO SAY THAT THIS IS, THIS IS UNIQUE AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND, AND I WOULD DISAGREE WITH A COUPLE OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMITS THAT WE'VE GRANTED ARE FOR A SINGLE ROOM OR A COUPLE OF FOLKS IN A HOUSE.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE HOW THIS YEAR GOES.
UH, I WOULD THINK YOUR CHALLENGE IS GONNA BE MORE PEOPLE WANT THAT PROPERTY THAN MAYBE ACCOMMODATED.
I HOPE I'M WRONG, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE A YEAR OF, UH, OF, UH, EFFORTS ON YOUR PART.
UH, I ENCOURAGE YOU, BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT, UH, WHAT MAY TRANSPIRE OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT YEAR WITH A, WITH A COMPLETELY NEW, UH, UH, A, A NEW VERSION, IF YOU WILL, OF OUR SPECIAL USE PERMIT AS IT AS IT RELATES TO, UH, ACCOMMODATING, UH, VISITORS.
SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S MY THOUGHT.
UM, I THINK I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD, UH, FORCE THESE PEOPLE TO REAPPLY IN A YEAR.
UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY HAVE A HISTORY OF DOING THE THINGS RIGHT IN TOWN ANYWAY.
UH, AND I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS NOT FAIR TO THEM THAT WE HAVEN'T REQUIRED THIS BEFORE AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD START REQUIRING IT NOW.
YES, IT IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD ONE THIS BIG COME UP, BUT I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, UM, MS. COOK HAS ALWAYS BEEN UPFRONT WITH US ABOUT THINGS AND SHE HAS ALWAYS, EVERYTHING SHE DOES, SHE GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND.
AND I, I THINK SHE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THINGS STAY THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE WHEN, WHEN THEY GET OPEN.
UH, COUNCILWOMAN DE DOMEN PAIN.
DID YOU WANNA OFFER ANYTHING? I JUST DON'T WANNA LEAVE ANYBODY OUT TO GET THEIR FIRST CHANCE.
NO, MY, AFTER HEARING EVERYBODY SPEAK, UM, I FEEL, I DON'T FEEL THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT JUSTIFICATION TO ASK FOR A REAPPLICATION AFTER ONE YEAR.
ONE THING I DID WANNA ASK MR. WAYER, I'M NOT SURE, UM, I'M NOT, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
UM, IN OUR COMP PLAN, ISN'T THERE, TALK ABOUT MAKING THAT AREA, UM, CHANGING THE ZONING ON THAT AREA WITH THE COMP PLAN.
AND SO IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, WHICH WE ALL KNOW, THE COMP PLAN, I BELIEVE IS GONNA COME TO US IN IN JULY, AND NOT SURE WHEN WE'D BE VOTING ON IT, BUT IF IT DOES END UP BECOMING MIXED USE, THEN THIS PROPERTY WOULD NOT REQUIRE, UM, IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AM I WRONG, DO YOU KNOW, OR? I, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED R ONE, WHICH ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
NO COMMERCIAL AND NO INDUSTRIAL USES, CORRECT.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED.
BUT IF THE, UM, AND NOBODY HAS A CRYSTAL BALL, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE COMP PLAN, BUT IF THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT PROPERTY WERE TO HAPPEN MIXED USE, WOULD THAT, THAT WOULD NOT STOP HER.
SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT FOR THE PURPOSE THAT SHE'S USING IT FOR NOW.
SO ALL, ALL DISTRICTS REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM ROUNDS.
ANYBODY WANNA ADD ANYTHING MR. RAPPAPORT, YOU WANTED TO I KNOW, YES MA'AM.
MADAM MAYOR? UH, THE, THE ONLY THING THAT I'LL ADD TO THIS IS, UH, MY, THE, THE REASON FOR THE AMENDMENT WAS THAT, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUT IN A LOT OF TIME AND WORK INTO THIS.
AND, UH, I WANTED TO UPHOLD THE, I GUESS FOR THE SAKE OF A BETTER WORD, THE INTEGRITY OF THE WORK THAT THEY PUT INTO THIS.
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MAKE THINGS, UH, UH, AMICABLE FOR THE, THE AREA OF THE COMMUNITY OUT THERE SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE LIKE A, A IF THEY SEE THINGS HAPPENING THAT THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH, THEY FILE A COMPLAINT.AND THAT, UH, SO THAT'S THE IDEA TO BUILD, TO BUILD, UH, SOME, UH, DATA.
WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT ONE YEAR AND, UH, AND I THINK MS. COOK'S WORK IN THE PAST HAS BEEN, EVEN WITH THE REST HOME THAT SHE HAD OUT ON BUR BURKE ROAD, UH, TOP THE LINE, UH, UH, MOST OF AS I'LL AGREE WITH THE REST OF COUNSEL, BUT AGAIN, UM, I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM THE COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE.
THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUT THERE, UH, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE MOST IMPACTED.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP TONIGHT.
I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ABOUT THE COMPLAINT.
YOU WERE SAYING LIKE IF IT WAS A COMPLAINT AND BUILDING DATA, UM, THAT WOULD HAPPEN ANYWAY, WHETHER THERE WAS A RE WHETHER THERE WAS A CONDITION OR NOT, I MEAN THAT MM-HMM.
UM, FROM ANY SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT, THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL OR WOULD BE COMING BEFORE THIS COUNCIL? UM, I WOULD ASSUME THE PLANNING AND ZONING, IF THEY HAD ANY COMPLAINTS, THEY WOULD BE, UM, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, YOU KNOW, UH, RECORDING THOSE FOR, FOR THE PURPOSE OF IF THEY FELT LIKE THERE WERE ENOUGH COMPLAINTS BECAUSE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AND ES, THEY CAN PULL, THEY CAN PULL THAT AT ANY TIME.
IT ALLOWS THEM TO BE REVOKED OF THEIR SHORT TERM RENTAL SPECIAL USE PERMIT IMMEDIATELY IF FOUND IN VIOLATION.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA SPEAK? YES, MADAM MAYOR.
THE LAST FEW POINTS I WANTED TO ADD, I HADN'T GOT TO ADD THE REST OF MY DISCUSSION BECAUSE OF THE AMENDMENT, WAS, UM, BECAUSE OF MS. COOK'S PAST WORK IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES.
I THINK THAT RIGHT THERE SHOWS HER CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY.
SOME OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL SPECIAL USE PERMITS THAT I VOTED ON DURING MY TIME IN COUNCIL HAVE BEEN NON-RESIDENTS OF FRONT ROYAL OR WARREN COUNTY.
THEY'VE BEEN INVESTORS WHO HAVE PURCHASED PROPERTIES HERE FOR THE SOLE REHABILITATION AND SOURCE TO MAKE A PROFIT.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS, THE FORMER COUNCIL DID NOT WANT TO SEE WAS THAT DEVELOPERS AND INVESTORS WERE GOING TO BUY UP ALL THE PROPERTIES.
SO TO SEE THIS STAY WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S A PROPERTY MANAGER THAT RESIDES IN THE LOCALITY THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS IN MEANS A LOT, SHE'S A SHORT DRIVE AWAY.
UM, I'VE KEPT UP WITH IT AS WELL.
I'M SURE SHE'LL BE DELIVERING HOMEMADE GOODS TO THEM IN THE MORNINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, AND I JUST WANNA ADD, UM, TO THE ASPECT OF FINANCING A PROPERTY LIKE THIS AND SHORT TERM RENTALS AND HOW REFINANCING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE WORK.
IF WE WERE TO PUT A CONTINGENCY ON A PROPERTY THAT WE'D PUT ON NO OTHER PROPERTY AND SHE CHOSE TO MAKE A FINANCING DEAL ON HER OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY AT A LATER POINT, IT WOULD THEN BE CONTINGENT THAT IT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED TO HAVE A LONG-TERM REVENUE BECAUSE THERE'S A DROP DEAD DATE OF ONE YEAR TO REAPPLY, EVEN IF THERE'S ZERO COMPLAINTS.
SHE ONLY HAS A ONE YEAR, WHICH WE'VE NOT DONE TO ANYONE ELSE.
AND SO WHEN YOU REFINANCE AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY, THEY LOOK AT THE CASH REVENUE AND THE INCOME STREAM FOR THAT PROPERTY.
SO AS A MORTGAGE BROKER, WHEN I WOULD BE PRESENTED WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT FROM A LOCALITY, I WOULD SAY, WELL, THEY'RE NOT GUARANTEEING THAT YOU CAN HAVE THIS AGAIN IN A YEAR AS A RESULT OF THAT.
SO THIS AFFECTS THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WE DECIDE TO PICK AND CHOOSE TO DO THIS THROUGH GOING FORWARD, UM, IN A MUCH DIFFERENT PLACE.
UM, AND I DON'T BELIEVE, UH, MAYBE THE CHIEF COULD SPEAK TO IT THAT WE'VE HAD ANY POLICE CALLS OR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO ANY OF OUR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
AND TO SPEAK TO THE CAPACITY OF THE SIZE OF THIS SHORT TERM RENTAL, WE HAVE PASSED SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT ARE THE SAME SIZE THAT COULD HOUSE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE.
I'M NOT SURE WHO ON THIS COUNCIL WAS HERE FOR THE BIG BIRD HOUSE, THE GIANT YELLOW HOUSE.
I THINK IT COULD HOUSE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, 12 PEOPLE.
IT'S A RESIDENTIAL HOME, BUT IT WAS VERY LARGE.
THEY, UH, GOT AN EXCEPTION FOR STREET PARKING TO DO SO.
AND THEY CAN HAVE ANY PARTY THEY WANT THERE AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK IN A YEAR TO REAPPLY.
IT'S JUST NOT BUSINESS FRIENDLY.
UM, SO IT GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT I STAND FOR.
AND THAT'S THE LAST THAT I'LL ADD ON THAT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WAS JUST TO SPEAK BEFORE WE MOVE FOR THE VOTE? OKAY, SO CLARIFYING FOR EVERYBODY WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO, UM, UH, VOTE ON IS WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPOSED MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR THAT SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 1121 JOHN MARSHALL
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HIGHWAY, UH, WOULD HAVE THE CONDITIONS OF CONTINGENT UPON THE UNITS PASSING STAFF INSPECTION BEFORE COMMENCEMENT OF USE AND THAT IT, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WOULD BE VALID FOR JUST ONE YEAR.AND THEN AT THAT TIME, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO REAPPLY, BUT THE APPLICATION FEE WOULD BE WAIVED.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON.
UM, THE AMENDMENT TO ADD NUMBER TWO TO THE MOTION.
COUNCILWOMAN D DAMCO PAYNE? NO.
SO IS THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS DENIED.
NOW THE ORIGINAL MOTIONS ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION ON THE FLOOR, AND I DON'T THINK I NEED TO GO OVER IT.
IS EVERYBODY
SO, MS. PRESLEY, SO THE ORIGINAL MOTION WITH NUMBER ONE, THE ONLY CONDITION COUNCILWOMAN DECO PAYNE? YES.
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO SEVEN
[7.C. Special Use Permit for Short-Term Rental at 1125 John Marshall Highway – Cook Realty]
C, WHICH IS THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 1125 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY.UM, AND SO MS. PRESLEY HATE TO DO IT TOO, BUT DO YOU MIND READING
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R DASH ONE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THERE ARE THREE BUILDINGS AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY LOT EIGHT A WITH ONE BEDROOM PER STRUCTURE.
TOWN CODE REQUIRES A PRIMARY STRUCTURE EXIST.
IN ORDER TO HAVE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO CONNECT TWO OF THE STRUCTURES VIA A ROOF TO CREATE A PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO RENT ALL THREE BUILDINGS KNOWN AS CABINS WITH ONE BEDROOM IN EACH CABIN, AND NO MORE THAN TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY PER CABIN.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS REQUEST ON MAY 17TH AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
NUMBER ONE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS CONTINGENT UPON THE UNITS PASSING STAFF INSPECTION BEFORE COMMENCEMENT OF USE.
NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT MUST CONNECT THE TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TO CREATE A PRIMARY AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE LOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES.
AND NUMBER THREE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS VALID FOR ONE YEAR, AT WHICH TIME THE APPLICANT MUST REAPPLY.
THE APPLICATION WILL BE, APPLICATION FEE WILL BE A WAIVED.
UM, UH, JUST AS I DID THE LAST TIME.
STAFF, DO YOU WANNA, DID YOU WANNA OFFER ANYTHING? OKAY.
AND MS. COOK? I DON'T, I WAS GONNA SAY IF ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. COOK FOR THIS PART.
UM, I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK MS. PRESLEY? ANYBODY SIGNED UP? WE DO HAVE FIVE.
UM, SHELLY COOK IS NUMBER ONE.
UM, CONNIE BRADLEY, MY STANCE IS THE SAME.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? OKAY, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL.
DO I HEAR A MOTION? MADAM MAYOR? I MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPROVE THE REQUEST FROM COOK REALTY LLC FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 1125 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY TAX MAP TWO ZERO A 1 0 3 DASH EIGHT A AS PRESENTED AND WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS CONTINGENT UPON THE UNITS PASSING STAFF INSPECTION BEFORE COMMENCEMENT OF USE.
THE APPLICANT MUST CONNECT THE TWO ACCESSORY UNITS TO CREATE A PRIMARY AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE LOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UM, I'M GONNA, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF COUNSEL ON THIS ITEM? CAN I ADD AN APOLOGY FOR THE APPLICANT? I'M SORRY.
I DID SAY AT THE WORK SESSION THAT I INTENDED TO CHANGE THAT MOTION.
UM, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO DO THAT.
WE'VE DONE IT FOR SPECIAL USE RENTALS, UM, SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE PAST WITH PARKING EXCEPTIONS AND WHATNOT.
SO I'M SORRY TO HAVE SCARED YOU AND PUT YOU ON THE SPOTLIGHT.
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THAT I FEEL IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, UM, FOR US TO REMAIN BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND TO DO THE SAME LINE OF BUSINESS ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERY APPLICANT.UM, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE FOR THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA OFFER ANY DISCUSSION UP FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION? UH, MADAM MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO SAY AGAIN THAT, UH, I LIKE THE PROJECT THAT, UH, THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS DONE OUT THERE.
I HAVE NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT IT, BUT AGAIN, I'M, I'M, UH, IN THE POSITION WHERE, UH, I I FEEL LIKE, UH, I NEED TO SUPPORT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S POSITION ON THIS.
ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON COUNCIL? OKAY, MS. PRESSLEY, LET'S DO A ROLL CALL.
COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES.
AND THEN WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM
[7.D. Special Use Permit for Short-Term Rental at 1135 John Marshall Highway – Cook Realty]
OR PUBLIC HEARING FOR SEVEN, UH, D, WHICH IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 1135 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY.UM, ALSO COOK REALTY AND MS. PRESLEY, DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THIS? NO, YOU DON'T MIND DOING IT? I DON'T MIND.
COUNSEL'S RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM COOK REALTY LLC FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 1135 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF THREE PARCELS WITH A PRIMARY AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE LOCATED ON EACH LOT.
THE TOWN CODE PERMITS ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TO BE USED AS SHORT TERM RENTALS.
BOTH THE PRIMARY AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURES CAN ACCOMMODATE TWO RENTERS PER UNIT FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR RENTERS.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO RENT BOTH STRUCTURES WITH ONE BEDROOM IN EACH STRUCTURE KNOWN AS A CABIN AND NO MORE THAN TWO OCCUPANTS AT A TIME.
PARKING IS LIMITED TO TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY PER CABIN.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS REQUEST ON MAY 17TH AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
NUMBER ONE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS CONTINGENT UPON THE UNITS PASSING STAFF INSPECTION BEFORE COMMENCEMENT OF USE.
AND NUMBER TWO, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS VALID FOR ONE YEAR, AT WHICH TIME THE APPLICANT MUST REAPPLY.
THE APPLICATION FEE WILL BE WAIVED.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, STAFF HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA OFFER, MS. COOK, ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY? ALL RIGHT, SO I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MS. PRESLEY, IS THERE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? WE HAVE THE SAME FIVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
SHELLY COOK, CONNIE BRADLEY, SHANNON BRICKEY, ANDY ROBINSON.
UM, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNSEL, APPROVE THE REQUEST FROM COOK REALTY LLC FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 1135 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY TAX MAP TWO ZERO A 1 0 3 DASH NINE AS PRESENTED AND WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.
ONE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS CONTINGENT UPON THE UNIT'S PASSING STAFF INSPECTION BEFORE COMMENCEMENT OF USE.
WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I DO HAVE DISCUSSION.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT DESPITE NOT AGREEING WITH THE MOTION THAT I MAKE A VOTE NO, IS TO DENY THE PERMIT AND TOGE ENTIRELY AND ALTOGETHER.
UM, I DID NOT EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN, BUT AGAIN, I JUST REITERATE THAT HAD MY ORIGINAL MOTION DIED, I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT NO MATTER WHAT THOSE MOTIONS WOULD'VE BEEN.
SO THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO RENTING ONE OF THESE CABINS MYSELF, SELF.
ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO OFFER ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? UM, THIS ITEM 11, NO SEVEN D SORRY.
ANYBODY I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY MADAM MAYOR, THAT, UH, AGAIN, I, I LIKE THE PROJECT.
UH, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WAS A LOT TO ASK FOR, UM, ONE YEAR.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, UH, AGAIN, I, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UH, I BELIEVE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.
HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS DONE.
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MAGNIFICENT PROJECT.AND, UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY DISCUSS? MAYOR, DISCUSS? MAYOR, JUST ONE LAST COMMENT.
MR. I WOULD TEND, UH, TO, TO QUESTION AND A, A PROJECT OF THREE OR FOUR BUILDINGS, UH, ALL COMING TOGETHER.
UH, AS, AS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE HERE BEFORE, I'M NOT AWARE OF IT.
WE MAY HAVE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN A FACILITY OR IN A, IN A HOME, UH, WITH PARKING PLACES, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD POTENTIAL EVENT CENTER AND, UH, AND, UH, UH, BUILDINGS SEPARATE THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN RENTED.
SO, I, I WOULD QUESTION THAT AND, AND I WOULD ALSO AGREE THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S MUCH TO ASK.
UM, I THINK IT'S AN ASSET OF A VENUE TO THIS COMMUNITY.
THE ONLY THING I AM, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, IS, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF OVERSIGHT TO SEE HOW THIS YEAR GOES WITH A VERY UNIQUE PROPERTY.
THERE'S, UH, UH, THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME OTHER THAN THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN A FACILITY THAT I DON'T BELIEVE, UH, HAS, UH, HAD A SIMILAR, UH, PROP PROPERTY THAT HAS, UH, RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT LIKE THIS.
ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? I HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING.
ALSO, UM, AS LORI AND I LIVE ON THE SAME STREET
UM, AND, UM, WE HAVE REALLY ENJOYED SEEING IT DEVELOP.
I KNOW THAT IT IS, I, I HEAR THE ARGUMENT, UM, FROM MR. RAPPAPORT AND MR. ROGERS THAT IT IS A, A DIFFERENT VENUE.
UM, I THINK THAT BECAUSE OF THE VISIBILITY, THAT WE WILL VERY QUICKLY REALIZE IF THERE IS A PROBLEM AND WE WILL, UM, WE HAVE THE MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO OFFER? CAN I ADD FOR THE RECORD THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT DID GO THROUGH THE PROCESS? THESE ARE ON SEPARATE TAX MAPS.
THAT WOULD BE THE SAME IF SOMEBODY BOUGHT A ROW OF HOUSES ON ANY STREET AND MADE INTO A SHORT TERM USE RENTAL.
ANYBODY ELSE? MS. PRESLEY? READY FOR HER VOTE.
COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES.
[7.E. Special Exception from Parking Requirements at 15 Chester Street – Peter Lemmon/Scott Lloyd]
E.UH, IT'S A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FROM PARKING REQUIREMENTS AT 15 CHESTER STREET.
MS. PRESLEY, COULD YOU, UM, READ THAT SUMMARY FOR US? COUNSEL'S RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM PETER LEMON AND SCOTT LLOYD FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FROM THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF TOWN CODE 1 48 DASH EIGHT 70 A2 PURSUANT TO TOWN CODE SECTION 1 48 DASH EIGHT 70 POINT A1 AND TOWN CODE SECTION 1 48 DASH TWO 11 A1 FOR 15 CHESTER STREET.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C DASH TWO DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT.
IT IS CURRENTLY BEING USED AS A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, WHICH IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE C DASH TWO DISTRICT.
THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 300 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING SPACE.
WITH THIS REQUIREMENT, THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED NINE PARKING SPACES.
THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS FOUR.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS REQUEST ON MAY 17TH, AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES PERMITTED ON THIS PROPERTY BEFORE SPACES.
THANK YOU, MS. PRESLEY, UH, STAFF, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO, TO, TO SHARE WITH COUNSEL THAT WE NEED TO KNOW? NO.
AND I BELIEVE MADAME MAYOR ONE.
UH, I DO HAVE, UH, SUGGESTED CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED MOTION FOR LEGALITY REASONS.
SO THAT WOULD, WOULD IT BE ALL RIGHT IF I ASKED THE APPLICANT THERE, CUZ WE, CUZ WE HAVEN'T MADE THE MOTION YET, OR SHOULD WE DO THAT NOW? I JUST WANTED CLARIFY.
I JUST WANTED TO ALERT YOU, THE MAYOR MM-HMM.
MR. LLOYD, I DON'T, I KNOW YOU'RE HERE.
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LEMON IS ALSO HERE, BUT IT'S JUST OKAY.DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA OFFER OR HOW SURE.
UH, MR. LEMAN IS, UM, OUT OF TOWN.
HE JUST, HIS DAUGHTER JUST GOT MARRIED IN CALIFORNIA, WHICH IS WHERE THEY'RE FROM ORIGINALLY.
AND, UH, I WANTED TO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING HERE FOR THE WORK SESSION.
I WAS, UH, ATTENDING A WEDDING IN, IN COLORADO, AND, UH, MR. LEMAN WAS NOT AVAILABLE OR NOT.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I TOLD HIM THAT IT WAS HAPPENING, LIKE, SO IT WAS PROBABLY MY, MY MISTAKE THERE.
BUT, UM, YEAH, SO IF YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY OF THE GARRISON HOUSE, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE, UH, THE CURRENT OCCUPANTS OF, OF THE HOUSE.
UM, AND WE DO FEEL A, A SENSE OF HISTORY OCCUPYING IT THERE AND GETTING TO LEARN SOME OF THE REALLY FASCINATING STORIES ABOUT THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, I'M TOLD THAT IT WAS, AND YOU CAN SEE THE FOUNDATION UNDER THE CURRENT, UM, BASEMENT, BUT IT WAS BUILT ON ONE OF THE LEUE PROPERTIES AND LEUE PROPERTY.
HUGH FAMILY IS ONE OF THE FIRST IN, IN TOWN, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, I'M A RELATIVE NEWBIE, BUT IN ANY CASE, WE'RE, WE, WE LOVE THE PROPERTY.
AND SO WOMEN, WE, WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN WE TOOK IT OVER, IT WAS ZONED HALF RESIDENTIAL FOR RENTAL PURPOSES, AND WE JUST, WE WEREN'T GONNA USE IT FOR THAT.
SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO USE IT ALL FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES, WHICH BROUGHT UP THIS QUESTION OF THE FIVE EXTRA PARKING SPACES.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, REALLY, IT'S SURROUNDED BY HEDGES AND A LITTLE BIT OF GRASS.
AND THE ONLY WAY THAT WE COULD ACHIEVE THAT WOULD BE TO, UM, EITHER CHOP CHOP OFF THE HEDGES THAT, THAT FRONT, UM, LOWER VIRGINIA, UH, HAIL AND MAYBE MAKE SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, SIDEWAYS CUTTING, UH, UM, PARKING SPACES OR, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE GO-TO WOULD BE TO PARK SOME WAY IN WHAT IS NOW LIKE A GRASSY AREA.
IT'S SURROUNDED BY HEDGES AND THERE'S A BIG WALNUT TREE.
AND IF YOU LOOK OUT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, APPARENTLY, UH, DR.
GARRISON USED TO HAVE A STAIRWAY THAT WENT DOWN INTO THAT GRASSY AREA WHERE THERE WAS A STRUCTURE FOR HIM TO PRACTICE OUT OF.
UM, THAT STRUCTURE NO LONGER EXISTS, BUT THERE'S STILL SOME OF THE STEPS IN THE BACK THERE AND EVERYTHING.
NOW THERE'S ALSO AN INTERESTING, UM, LITTLE BIT OF, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CALL IT TRIVIA OR WHATEVER, BUT, UM, THAT GRASSY PART IS A, A FOOT OR TWO, MAYBE AS MANY AS THREE FEET BELOW THE CURRENT PARKING SPOT.
AND INTERESTINGLY, OUR BUILDING IS LIKE INCHES OUTSIDE OF THE FLOOD ZONE.
AND THERE IT RAISES THE QUESTION OF ANY MODIFICATIONS IN THAT GRASSY AREA.
UH, WHAT THAT WOULD DO FOR, FOR OUR FLOOD ZONE.
UM, UH, I'M LOOKING FOR THE TERM SURVEY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT MY WHEELHOUSE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED.
THE LAST THING IS OF COURSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING OUT FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, YOU'VE GOT OUR FOUR PARK PARKING SPOTS.
AND DIRECTLY BEYOND THAT IS THE GRASSY AREA THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE, UH, HIGH HEDGES AND EVERYTHING BEHIND THAT IS THE ENTRANCE INTO THE PARKING SPOT.
AND SO TO THE RIGHT WE'VE GOT PUBLIC PARKING, UM, DIRECTLY BEHIND US.
IT'S, IT'S THE GAZEBO TO THE LEFT.
WE HAVE, UM, PARKING FOR THE, UH, FOR THE RENTAL UNITS, UH, OVER TO THE LEFT, ACROSS THE VIRGINIA, UH, LOWER VIRGINIA HAIL.
BEHIND THAT IS AMPLE PARKING FOR, UM, BLUE INK PROPERTY THERE.
AND THEN BEHIND THAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO SOUTHERN STATES AREA.
IF YOU TURN AROUND AND YOU'RE FACING, UM, CHESTER STREET, UM, ACROSS THE STREET, THEN TO THE RIGHT OF THE, UM, BEER MUSEUM.
WE ALSO HAVE A BUNCH OF PARKING THERE.
AND SO, AND THEN THERE'S THE STREET PARKING AS WELL.
AND SO WE'RE SURROUNDED BY, BY PARKING.
UM, AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE LAST, THE LAST THING TO ADD THERE IS, UH, WHEN WE'RE THE BUSIEST, THAT'S WHEN THE TOWN EVENTS ARE THE LEAST BUSY.
AND SO THE GREATEST NEED FOR PARKING HAPPENS WHEN WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY USING THE, THE PROPERTY.
AND SO ANY SPILLOVER THAT WE MIGHT HAVE FROM OUR BUSINESS INTO THE PUBLIC PARKING AROUND, IT'S REALLY NOT GOING TO BECOME A PROBLEM FOR THE PUBLIC NEED FOR PARKING THERE.
SO WITH THAT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, THEN I CAN TAKE 'EM, BUT I THINK NEXT IT GOES TO PUBLIC.
SO I CAN SIT DOWN AND REMEMBER ALL THE TIME.
WANNA SAY, IF NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK MS. PRESLEY? NO, THERE'S NO ONE SIGNED UP.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? OKAY, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN I'M GOING TO, UM, BEFORE WE, BEFORE COUNSEL ENTERTAINS A MOTION, MR. SONIC, WE WOULD PREF WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR ADVICE.
UM, SO THE GRANTING OF A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR PARKING
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REQUIRES A FINDING BY COUNSEL.UH, WHEN STRICT ADHERENCE TO THE GENERAL REGULATIONS WOULD RESULT IN SUBSTANTIAL INJUSTICE OR HARDSHIP, UH, THAT THIS UNDER THE FOLLOWING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT MAY BE GRANTED WHEN STRICT ADHERENCE TO THE GENERAL REG REGULATIONS WOULD RESULT IN SUBSTANTIAL INJUSTICE OR HARDSHIP, PROVIDED THAT THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION WOULD NOT DIMINISH PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WE WELFARE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO CONSIDERATION THAT ADEQUATE PROVISIONS ARE PROVIDED TO AND ENSURE LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE OF PUBLIC AND SHARED PRIVATE FACILITIES AND CONFORMANCE WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, THE POINT OF THAT IS, UH, WELL, LET ME JUST JUMP TO THE SUGGESTED AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION AND, AND WITH, WITH MS. PRESLEY'S HELP.
SO, UH, IF YOU GO TO, UH, I SUGGEST INSERTING AFTER PURSUANT, AFTER PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 48, 8 78 8 18, A COMMA.
AND THEN IT READS, SHOULD READ AND WITH THE, WITH THE CONDITIONS OF TOWN CODE SECTION 1 48 2 11 A ONE BEING SATISFIED.
AND THEN IT WOULD READ, UH, AS, AS, UH, PROPOSED THERE IN THE AGENDA.
AND THEN UNDER NUMBER ONE, RATHER THAN THE WORD PERMITTED, I SUGGEST THE WORD REQUIRED BE I SUBMITTED IN ITS PLACE.
AND MR. SONNET, WOULD YOU MIND JUST REPEATING THAT, UH, PART FOR AFTER THE PURSUANT COMMA OR, OR COULD YOU JUST REPEAT THAT AGAIN? I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE TRYING TO, AND WITH THE CONDITIONS OF TOWN CODE, WHAT WAS THAT TOWN CODE? RIGHT.
SO AFTER PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 48 DASH 8 78 18, I SUGGEST A COMMA AND THE WORD END IS ALREADY PRESENT AND FOLLOWING THE WORD END WOULD ADD WITH THE CONDITIONS OF TOWN CODE 1 48 2 11 A ONE BEING SATISFIED, AND THEN COMMA, AND THEN IT WOULD READ AS, UH, FOUR 15 CHESTER STREET AS PRESENTED AND WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION, THERE'S ONE CONDITION AND I PROPOSE THAT INSTEAD OF THE WORD PERMITTED.
THE WORD REQUIRED BE SUBSTITUTED FOR THE WORD PERMITTED.
UM, SO NOW I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL.
WHOEVER'S GOT GREAT NOTES THERE.
AND WITH THE CONDITIONS OF TOWN CODE 1 48 0.2 11 A ONE BEING SATISFIED, AND 1 53 2 11 A ONE FOR 15 CHESTER STREET AS PRESENTED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.
ONE THAT THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES REQUIRED ON THIS PROPERTY BEFORE SPACES SECOND.
OKAY, NOW WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
IS ANYBODY ON COUNSEL HAVE SOMETHING THEY'D LIKE TO OFFER? MS. PRESLEY, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE GONNA ASK A QUESTION.
THE 1 53 DASH TWO 11 A ONE DOESN'T BELONG IN THE MOTION DOES IT, MR. SONIC? WELL, IT DOESN'T BELONG IN THE MOTION TWICE.
IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE 1 48 INSTEAD OF 1 53? YES.
YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BECAUSE AFTER, WHAT IS TOWN CODE 1 53 2 11 A ONE THAT WE'RE REMOVING? WELL IN THE SUMMARY IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T IN THE SUMMARY, IT WASN'T BROUGHT DOWN TO THE MOTION CORRECTLY.
WHAT I WAS PROPOSING SHOULD BE ADDED AFTER, PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 48.
EIGHT 70 A 18 I I ADDED IT THERE, BUT THEN, AND 1 53 2 11 A ONE REMAIN.
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SO SHOULD THAT HAVE BEEN STRUCK? NO, THAT CAN STAY.SO THE MOTION'S RIGHT, THE MOTION.
DO WE NEED ANY OTHER CLARIFICATION BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? CAUSE WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDO SOMETHING.
UH, CUZ MS. PRESLEY, I'M, UH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AT THE, THE SUMMARY.
I I DIDN'T REALIZE 1 53 WAS IN THERE.
IT'S NOT, NO, IT JUST WASN'T CARRIED DOWN.
SO THE 1 48 DASH TWO 11 A ONE NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT DOWN.
I THINK, I THINK NOW THAT, NOW THAT WE
IS THAT, IS THAT HOW, THAT'S HOW I INTERPRETED IT.
WAS THAT CORRECT MR. LLOYD? YES.
AND WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE, SINCE FEBRUARY.
AND SO WE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO OBSERVE THAT.
I MEAN, UM, AND, AND I I'M WORKING LATE, I'M WORKING WEEKENDS AND EVERYTHING, AND SO I KNOW, I, I SEE WHEN, WHEN THE PARKING'S MOST NEEDED AND IT TENDS TO BE THOSE FESTIVALS AND THINGS, SO, OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE ON COUNCIL WISH TO OFFER ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? ANYBODY? I'LL JUST ADD THAT THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME WE'VE GIVEN A PARKING EXCEPTION DOWN IN THAT AREA.
THERE'S A SMALL PORTION OF CHESTER STREET, WHICH WE LEARNED WHEN MR. LLOYD WAS ON COUNSEL.
THAT'S BASICALLY A HORSE PATH.
I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THAT WE DID GET A LETTER OF SUPPORT IN REGARDS TO YOUR PARKING EXCEPTION FROM ONE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND SO THESE EXCEPTIONS AREN'T, UM, FEW AND FAR BETWEEN.
WE'VE SEEN THEM VERY OFTEN AND CONGRATULATIONS.
ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, MS. PRESLEY, LET'S GO TO A VOTE.
COULD I ASK WHO SECONDED THIS MOTION? I THINK IT WAS WAYNE.
WE'VE HAD SO MANY TONIGHT THAT I HAVE A HARD TIME.
COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES.
[7.F. Ordinance Amendment to Town Code §158-6 Adoption by Reference of State Vehicular Laws]
F UM, THIS IS THE ORDINANCE FOR THE AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE 1 58 DASH SIX ADOPTION BY REFERENCE OF STATE VEHICULAR LAWS.UM, MS. PRESSLEY, I'M GONNA READ THAT ONE FOR YOU CUZ IT'S FAST AND FURIOUS AND IT'S KIND OF MORE OF A FORMALITY.
BUT COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE 1 58 DASH SIX ADOPTION BY REFERENCE OF STATE VEHICULAR LAWS PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE 46.2 DASH 1300 A.
THE GOVERNING BODY OF A TOWN MAY ADOPT ORDINANCES GOVERNING THE OPERATIONS OF VEHICLES IN SUCH TOWN.
THIS MEANS THAT ANNUALLY THE TOWN MUST READOPT TOWN CODE 1 58 DASH SIX ADOPTION BY REFERENCE OF STATE VEHICULAR LAWS, WHICH ALLOWS THE TOWN TO INCORPORATE ALL THE CHANGES TO THE STATE VEHICULAR LAWS THAT HAVE BEEN RECENTLY ADOPTED BY THE STATE.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE, UH, LET'S SEE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY IN STAFF THAT NEEDS TO SPEAK TO THIS.
UM, SO I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, WE HAVE NO ONLY SIGNED UP.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS? OKAY.
I MOVE THAT COUNSEL, APPROVE AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE 1 58 DASH SIX ADOPTION BY REFERENCE OF THE STATE VEHICULAR LAWS AS PRESENTED.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? JUST THOUGHT I WOULD OFFER WHEN I SAID IT'S A FORMALITY.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO EACH YEAR BECAUSE DURING, UH, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, THEY, THEY, UM, ADOPT ANY, ANY CHANGES TO THE VEIC STATE VEHICULAR LAWS.
AND SO THEN THIS TIME OF YEAR BEFORE JULY ONE HAPPENS, WE HAVE TO DO THIS.
SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, MS. PRESLEY, ROLL CALL.
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YES.SO NEXT UP IS OUR PUBLIC HEARING FOR SEVEN
[7.G. Continued Public Hearing to Amend Previously Approved Proffers for Anna Swan Estates - HEPTAD]
G.THIS IS THE CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROFFERS FOR WAN ESTATES HEP TAD.
UM, I AM GONNA ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE THIS IS A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE NEED TO READ THE SUMMARY AGAIN, MR. SONNET? THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH DOING THAT.
IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE GOOD FORM.
IT'S A LONG ONE ON APRIL 24TH, 2023.
COUNSEL MOVE TO CONTINUE THIS PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL TONIGHT.
THE REQUEST IS FOR COUNSEL TO AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROFFERS FOR THE SUBDIVISION ENTITLED ANNA SWAN ESTATES DATED FEBRUARY 2ND, 2012.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE LIRON PLANNING AREA AND CONSISTS OF 98.25 ACRES.
THE ORIGINAL HE HABITAT REZONING APPLICATION WAS INITIALLY SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN ON JULY 5TH, 2005, REFERRED TO AS THE SWAN FARM.
IN 2012, COUNCIL APPROVED AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORIGINAL PROFFERS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 21ST, 2022, AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO AMEND PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROFFERS FOR ANNA SWAN ESTATES.
WITH CONDITIONS THE APPLICANT AMENDS THE LANGUAGE OF SECTION 3.1 TO STATE IN THE EVENT THAT THE FRONT WORLD TOWN CO TOWN COUNCIL APPROVES THESE AMENDMENTS, SUCH APPROVAL WILL BE DEEMED AND ACKNOWLEDGED MEANT BY THE FRONT ROW TOWN COUNCIL THAT ONE LEACH RUN PARKWAY HAS BEEN COMPLETELY CONSTRUCTED.
AND TWO, HEP TED L L C COMPLIED WITH ANY PRIOR APPROVED PROFFERS PERTAINING TO THE DEDICATION OF RIGHT OF WAY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PAYMENT OF THE RELATED CASH PROFFERS.
NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT IS ABLE TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE RESIDENTIAL PARKING PER THE TOWN CODE.
THE APPLICANT AMENDS THE LANGUAGE OF 7.5 0.1 TO REMOVE THE WORD THE BEFORE WARREN COUNTY.
THE APPLICANT WILL AMEND THE PROFFER STATEMENT TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE ADDRESSING THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO EXPAND AND INSTALL THE ONSITE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IN ACCORDANCE WITH TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 34.
AND NUMBER FIVE, THE APPLICANT WILL AMEND THEIR PROFFERS TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE ADDRESSING THEIR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE COST OF INSTALLING STORMWATER FACILITIES ON SITE.
PROFFER AMENDMENT DATED MARCH 15TH, 2023 ADDS THE FOLLOWING LANGUAGE, EACH PROFFER LISTED HEREIN AND MADE IN CONNECTION WITH THIS APPLICATION IS MADE VOLUNTARILY AND CO COMPLIES WITH APPLICABLE LAW.
PAR FOR AMENDMENT DATED APRIL 4TH, 2023 CORRECTS THE AMOUNT PER RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT, WHETHER SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED OR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED FROM 1040 $4 AND 31 CENTS TO $699 AND 40 CENTS.
COUNSEL HAS REQUESTED A PROFFER ANALYSIS FROM S PATS AND ASSOCIATES.
SO AT THIS TIME, JUST AS WE'VE DONE BEFORE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT STAFF WANTS TO, UH, MAKE COUNSEL AWARE OF OR, OR WANTS TO, UH, POINT OUT? ANYTHING? JOHN, UM, MR. WALTZ, IS THERE ANYTHING WE WOULD NO, MA'AM.
SO I'M GONNA, UH, NOT OPENING UP THE PUBLIC HEARING CUZ WE'VE, IT'S NEVER BEEN CLOSED
SO, UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BY COUNSEL? UH, OR I NEED A MOTION FIRST.
MADAM MAYOR, I'M ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? I'M SORRY.
GOSH, THERE'S NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND I DID AS THE APPLICANT.
DID YOU WANNA, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK? I WAS GONNA RESERVE JUST ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
OR FOR QUESTIONS RAISED TONIGHT, BUT OKAY.
IF YOU HAVE NONE AT THE END, WE'RE DONE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? THE ONLY, THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAVE, MADAM MAYOR AND, UH, MAYBE MY NOTES, UH, WHEN DO WE EXPECT TO HAVE THE, MAYBE THAT'S FOR STAFF, UH, WHEN DO WE EXPECT TO HAVE THE, UH, UH, THE IN, UH, IMPACT AND ANALYSIS BACK FROM? SO IF THERE'S NOBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, I THINK THAT WILL, THAT'LL BE DURING DISCUSSION.
THE, DOES MADAME COUNSEL WISH TO MOTION I MOVE THAT COUNSEL FURTHER, CONTINUE THIS.
I'M, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M DOING THIS BY PROPER PROCEDURES.
MADAM MAYOR, I, I THINK, UM, YOU SHOULD HEAR FROM STAFF.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT BEFORE.
THAT'S WHY I DEFERRED BEFORE, SO, OKAY.
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MRS. MAYOR, UM, UH, STAFF HAS ENGAGED, UH, ASPAS ASSOCIATES, THEY, UH, ESTIMATE ABOUT A 30 DAY TURNAROUND TIME.SO WE HOPE TO HAVE THE PROFFER ANALYSIS DONE BY THE END OF JULY AND FOR THE FIRST WORK SESSION IN AUGUST FOR COUNSEL TO REVIEW.
SO THAT KIND OF ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION OF MR. RAPPAPORT.
AM AM AM I TO CLOSE OB NOT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'RE OPENING BECAUSE I BELIEVE GO AHEAD.
I'M SORRY, MS. I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER MORRIS HAS A, HAS A MOTION.
I MOVE THAT COUNCIL FURTHER, CONTINUE THIS PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL AUGUST 28TH, 2023 TO ALLOW TIME FOR THE COMPLETION OF A PROFFER ANALYSIS FOR THIS PROPERTY.
ALL RIGHT, NOW WE HAVE A MOTION.
NOW WE HAVE A SECOND NOW DISCUSSION.
MR. WARD, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD.
MR. INGRAM OR COUNCILMAN INGRAM? UH, NO.
I'D JUST LIKE TO REITERATE THAT OUR TOWN MANAGER JUST ADDRESSED IT.
FOR THOSE WHO ARE HERE FOR THIS TOPIC TONIGHT, OR WATCHING FROM HOME, UM, COUNSEL HAS REQUESTED A PROFFER ANALYSIS AND WE'VE ENGAGED WITH A PARTNER TO DO SUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE? MR. UH, VICE MAYOR
AND THE, AND THE, UM, TENTATIVE DATE OF THAT WOULD BE BY THE END OF JULY.
BARRING NO OTHER DISCUSSION, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THE MOTION TO, UH, FURTHER CONTINUE THIS PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL AUGUST 28TH TO ALLOW TIME FOR THE COMPLETION OF A PROPER ANALYSIS FOR THIS PROPERTY.
COUNCILWOMAN D DAMCO PAYNE? YES.
ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER
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EIGHT, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARING.SO, UM, JUST, JUST, UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, THEN COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND THE ADDRESS.
UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS, A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT.
AND THEN AT JUST A REMINDER AGAIN, THAT AT THE END OF THE THREE MINUTES, UH, YOU WOULD'VE 30 SECONDS TO WRAP IT UP.
AND THEN THE, THE MICROPHONE, THE MIC WILL GO OFF.
UH, THE SPEAKER'S COMMENTS SHALL BE RELEVANT TO THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNCIL AND DIRECTED TO THE COUNCIL.
THE SPEAKER'S COMMENTS DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL NOT ADDRESS THE SUBJECT MATTER OF A PUBLIC HEARING BEING HELD DURING THE SAME MEETING.
NO PERSONAL ATTACKS AND DECOROUS LANGUAGE OR DISPLAY OF SIGNS, PLACARDS, POSTERS, OR OTHER DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT OR DISPLAY WILL BE PERMITTED.
MS. PRESLEY, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? WE HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TONIGHT? ALL RIGHT.
I THOUGHT SO TONIGHT, EVERYTHING
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE,
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UH, WHICH IS REPORTS.AND WE'LL START OFF WITH THE REPORT OF THE TOWN MANAGER.
UH, WANTED TO LET THE CITIZENS KNOW THAT DUE TO THE RAIN THAT WE HAD LAST WEEK, THE RIVER LEVELS HAVE INCREASED ABOVE THE THRESHOLD FOR OUR VOLUNTARY WATER CONSERVATION MEASURES.
I CAUTION THE CITIZENS THAT WE'RE STILL IN A DROUGHT CONDITION AND WE COULD POSSIBLY BE BACK TO VOLUNTARY WATER MEASURES, PROBABLY WITHIN A WEEK, BUT WE'LL MONITOR THE SITUATION.
I WANT TO GIVE A, A HATS OFF A THANK BIG THANK YOU TO THE PUBLIC WORKS CREW FOR WORKING ON THE PROSPECT STREET BRIDGE LAST WEEK, UH, DURING THE RAIN, BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THOSE REPAIRS DONE.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT HARD WORK.
AND THEN THIRD, JUST WANNA LET CITIZENS KNOW THAT THE BUSINESS OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED NEXT TUESDAY, JULY 4TH, AND IF YOUR TRASH IS PICKED UP, THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE PICKED UP ON THAT TUESDAY.
IT WILL BE PICKED UP ON WEDNESDAY, JULY 5TH.
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ON TO THE REPORT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS.DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD, UH, WANT TO OFFER? UM, I WILL SAY THAT I ATTENDED THE VIRGINIA LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS CONFERENCE IN JUNE.
UM, AND IT COVERED TOPICS SUCH AS PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, BUDGETING, LAND USE, HUMAN RESOURCES ISSUES INCLUDING MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION AND HOW THAT IMPACTS LOCAL GOVERNMENT PLANNING, DIS DISTRICT COMMISSIONS AND OTHER STUFF.
AND IT WAS, UM, IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND, UH, A LOT OF THINGS WILL BE COMING DOWN THE PIKE FOR US, I'M SURE.
COUNCILMAN ROGERS? THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.
UH, JUST, UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
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I GUESS, UH, COMPLETION IN, IN, IN JUNE HERE WITH, UH, WITH MY TIME ON COUNCIL.AND I WANT TO SAY THAT IT HAS BEEN, UH, AN INCREDIBLY ENLIGHTENING AND FRUITFUL, UH, SIX MONTHS.
UH, I'M NOT ONLY LEARNING A LOT MORE ABOUT MY COMMUNITY, I'M HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, SHARE, UH, A LOT OF TIME WITH OUR, OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
UH, BOTH KATHY AND I SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOWNTOWN, UH, WITH OUR BUSINESS OWNERS AND, AND BOTH MY, WITHIN MY BUSINESS AND OUTSIDE OF MY BUSINESS.
SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN GREAT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT MY COMMUNITY, UH, THE INTERESTS OF MY COMMUNITY, UM, AND THE SPECIAL CHALLENGES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
I WANTED TO MAKE, UH, A COMMENT.
WE SPENT SOME TIME TOGETHER BACK IN, IN MARCH IN A RETREAT THAT I THOUGHT WAS EXTREMELY FRUITFUL.
UM, IT, IT GAVE THE, UH, COUNCIL AND, AND, UH, SENIOR, SENIOR STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GET TOGETHER AND JUST KIND OF LOOK AT OUR GOALS, OUR VISION AND, AND, AND WHAT WAS IMPORTANT IN OUR COMMUNITY AND HOW WE COULD, UH, MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE NEEDS.
UM, I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT WE HAVEN'T, AS A COUNCIL BEEN ABLE TO USE THAT AS A, AS KIND OF A GUIDE OF, OF, OF WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT WE'RE ACCOMPLISHING IN OUR, IN OUR WORK DURING THE YEAR.
AND I THINK, UH, AS A BUSINESS OWNER WHO'S RUN MANY, MANY, MANY, UH, VERY, VERY LARGE PROJECTS THAT GOALS, VISION AND METRICS, AND EVALUATING, UH, YOUR COURSE IS CRITICAL TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHERE YOU'VE BEEN, WHERE YOU'RE GOING, AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
UM, I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE, UH, THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO PULL THAT OUT.
UM, I, I THINK WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT BATTING, WE'RE NOT BATTING REAL WELL ON, ON IDENTIFYING VISION AND, AND GOING AFTER AND FOCUSING ON, UH, ON SOME OF THOSE REALLY CRITICAL NEEDS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I WANNA BRING IT BACK TO LIGHT.
I WANNA SHARE IT WITH OUR COMMUNITY.
WHAT, UH, WHAT WE SPENT TIME DEVELOPING, THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF HOW EACH OF US SEES, UH, SEES OUR COMMUNITY AND SEES THE KIND OF THE NECESSARY FOCUSES THAT ARE NEEDED, UH, IMMEDIATELY.
IT'S BEEN AN INCREDIBLE SIX MONTHS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO THE, TO THE LAST SIX MONTHS OF THIS, UH, OF THIS CURRENT YEAR.
UH, MY COMMITMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO OPENNESS, UH, AND, AND COMMUNICATING WITH, WITH MY COMMUNITY.
I WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT, AND I WANT, I, I WANT TO CONTINUE TO VOICE, UH, MY CONCERNS OVER ISSUES THAT I THINK NEED TO BE ADDRESSED THAT REALLY AREN'T BEING SO, UH, THANK YOU.
YOU'VE BEEN HERE EIGHT MONTHS.
NO, MAYBE NINE, WASN'T IT OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, YEAH.
I'M JUST SAYING, WHEN YOU SAID SIX, I WAS LIKE, ACTUALLY, I'M PRETTY SURE HE WAS, HE WAS HERE BEFORE NOVEMBER, RIGHT BEFORE YOU CAME ON.
HE HE WAS VETERAN BEFORE YOU GOT HERE, RIGHT BEFORE ME OR SOMETHING.
THINK, YEAH, LIKE OCTOBER-ISH.
UH, VICE MAYOR AK, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO OFFER? DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO.
UH, COUNCILWOMAN, UH, MORRIS, UM, I HAVE A COUNCIL REPORT THAT I WANTED TO GIVE TONIGHT.
UM, MY REPORT'S GONNA FOCUS ON THE SUBJECT OF BLUE LINE SERVICES.
I KNOW THAT I DID MOVE THAT TO THE BUSINESS ITEM, BUT I'M GONNA USE MY COUNCIL REPORT.
TIME TO SHARE A STORY WITH YOU GUYS.
UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME PUBLIC OUTCRY OVER THIS TOPIC.
UM, MY PHONE STARTED GOING OFF ABOUT THURSDAY.
I GUESS THE PEOPLE MISSED THE TWO PRIOR WORK SESSIONS THAT WE HAD REGARDING THIS MATTER.
UM, MOST PEOPLE WHO KNOW ME PERSONALLY, KNOW THAT I WITNESSED A TRAUMATIZING EVENT HERE IN TOWN SEVERAL YEARS AGO AS A NEW MOTHER TO THREE CHILDREN, I STOPPED TO A YIELDED GROUP OF YOUNG BOYS ON BICYCLES ONLY TO WATCH THEM SAFELY CROSS OVER IN FRONT OF ME.
AND THEN ONE BE STRUCK BY AN INATTENTIVE MOTOR VEHICLE DRIVER ACROSS THE ROAD FROM ME.
WHILE I WATCHED HELPLESSLY, OBVIOUSLY HIS MOTHER OR FATHER COULDN'T HAVE KNOWN THAT THEIR CHILD WAS LAYING IN THE ROAD, RAN OVER DISTRESS.
HE WAS ONLY UP THE STREETS SURROUNDED WITH FRIENDS.
A FEW MOMENTS BEFORE THIS HAD HAPPENED, I STAYED ON THE GROUND WITH HIM UNTIL THE AMBULANCE COULD WHISK HIM AWAY TO WARM MEMORIAL HOSPITAL, WHERE HE WAS LATER MEDEVACED TO NORTHERN VIRGINIA TO HAVE SOME SERIOUS SURGERIES.
IF YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES FOR A MOMENT AND IMAGINE BEING A PARENT OR A GRANDPARENT AND RECEIVING THAT CALL, THANKFULLY HE'S ALL RIGHT TODAY AND HE'S GROWING.
WHEN YOU'RE PRO-LIFE, YOU HAVE TO BE PRO-LIFE BEYOND CONCEPTION AND BIRTH THROUGHOUT LIFE.
SO FAST FORWARD TO THE SCHOOL YEAR 20 22, 20 23, WHERE I PER PERSONALLY WITNESSED CHAOS AND RECKLESSNESS AS I VISITED TWO
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OF OUR SCHOOLS FOUR TIMES A DAY FOR DROP-OFF AND PICKUP, ONE REPEAT OFFENDER, OFTEN PASSING DOUBLE LINES ON STONEWALL DRIVE TO PASS EVERYONE TO RUSH INTO THE KISS OFF LINE, BARELY MISSING HITTING PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE DAY.FINALLY CAUSED ME TO FILE A FORMAL COMPLAINT WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO WHICH THEY RESPONDED TO ME THAT IT WAS A FACULTY MEMBER THAT THEY HAD ALMOST HIT THAT DAY.
THEY WERE VERY AWARE OF THE ISSUE AT THE TIME THEY WERE DOWN IN SRO.
THE MOTHER WOULD OFTEN WHIP OUT OF HER VEHICLE SMOKING HER CIGARETTE AS SHE UNLOADED HER CHILDREN FROM THE CARS WITHOUT THE CAR SEATS THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE IN.
WHEN I HAD BROUGHT THIS TO THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION'S ATTENTION, AND IT WAS A NO SMOKING ZONE, THEY ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY WAY THAT I COULD HELP ASK THE TOWN TO HELP PATROL THE AREA WHILE THEY WERE SHORT STAFFED BY THE COUNTY.
THERE WAS INCREASED FRONT ROYAL TOWN PD IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THEIR STAFFING ALLOWED.
THE REMAINDER OF THE SCHOOL YEAR, MY KIDS AND I WOULD JUST PULL OVER ON THE SIDE OF STONEWALL DRIVE, EVEN BEING LATE SOME DAYS TO AVOID THIS PERSON AND THEIR ANTICS ON THE ROAD.
ALL OF THIS TO SAY THAT SCHOOL ZONE IS NOT ONE OF THEM THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED FOR THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED.
ONE, I HAD NO IDEA THAT A COMPANY SUCH AS BLUE LINE EVEN EXISTED THEN.
THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE ALL IN THE TOWN LIMITS, WHICH IS WHY IT'S A MATTER OF THE TOWN GOVERNING.
AND REPORTS OF SPEEDING AND CONCERNS FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETIES, ET CETERA, ARE REPORTED TO THE TOWN COUNCIL, THE TOWN MANAGER, THE TOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT REPORTED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
I DO NOT OFTEN SPEAK FOR MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I CAN HONESTLY SAY I'VE NEVER SPOKEN FOR THIS CURRENT FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT I SIT HERE BESIDE TODAY.
BUT I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN SAYING TONIGHT THAT NOT A SINGLE ONE OF US SITTING ON THIS ES SAW THIS PROPOSED EXPLORATION AS A QUOTE UNQUOTE CASH COW, OR THOUGHT OF IT AS A REVENUE MAKING EXPERIENCE.
ACTUALLY, MONEY WAS THE FURTHEST THINGS FROM OUR MINDS.
ASIDE FROM FUNDING THE PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE, THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF NOT ONLY OUR STUDENTS, BUT ALSO OUR FELLOW DRIVERS, OUR BUS DRIVERS, OUR BIKERS, OUR WALKERS, OUR EVERYDAY CITIZENS THAT USE THE GREENWAY WAS AT THE FOREFRONT OF THIS.
FURTHERMORE, IF YOU'VE WATCHED THE WORK SESSIONS, YOU WILL KNOW THE STATISTICS OF THE NUMBERS OF THE RECKLESS CRIMINAL DRIVERS DRASTICALLY DECREASES IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF IMPLE IMPLEMENTATION OF SUCH A PROGRAM.
WHY? BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T PAY THE FINE, DON'T DO THE CRIME.
MY MOM STARTED SAYING THAT TO ME WHEN I WAS TWO YEARS OLD.
AND BOY DOES IT RESONATE TO THIS DAY.
IF YOU DON'T WANNA PAY A FINE, DON'T BREAK THE LAW.
AND IT'S NOT A SMALL ISSUE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 2,275 PEOPLE ON ONE ROAD IN FOUR HOURS IN FRONT OF AS ROADS THAT WE'RE DOING 20 PLUS MILES PER HOUR OVER THE SPEED LIMIT.
I BELIEVE THAT'S A FE A FELONY RECKLESS DRIVING IF YOU'RE 20 PLUS MILES PER HOUR OVER THE SPEED LIMIT.
AND I WISH WE HAD THE STAFFING FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY TO ENFORCE THOSE DESERVED FELONIES.
AND THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, I BELIEVE THEY CARRY JAIL TIME FOR THAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC CRIME.
FURTHERMORE, IF ONE OF OUR POLICE MEN OR WOMEN STAFFING THESE AREAS DO IN FACT PULL SOMEONE OVER FOR THIS FELONIOUS BEHAVIOR, 10 PLUS VEHICLES ARE LIKELY PASSING BY THEM DURING THAT TIME DOING THE EXACT SAME THING OR JUST HIT THEIR BRAKES TO AVOID DOING IT.
IF YOU DO NOT PLAN AND PREPARE TO LEAVE YOUR HOME IN TIME TO MAKE IT TO WHERE YOU ARE GOING WITHOUT DRIVING 20 PLUS MILES PER HOUR OVER THE SPEED LIMIT, YOU IN FACT ARE THE PROBLEM HERE.
NOT THE SPEEDING CAMERAS OR THE PERHAPS PROPOSED TECHNOLOGICAL PROBLEMS. IT IS, IN MY OPINION THAT IT'S THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB TO NOT BE FRIENDLY IN LAW AND ORDER.
I'VE RECEIVED COMPLAINTS THAT THIS ISN'T VERY FRIENDLY, A FRONT ROYAL.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE CIVIL PENALTIES INCURRED, THIS IS A MUCH FRIENDLIER VERSION THAN WHAT I WOULD'VE PREFERRED C BE DONE, WHICH IS WITH CONTACT POLICING AND CHARGING THEM, UH, WITH THEIR FELONIOUS CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS.
I'VE ALSO BEEN TOLD THAT IT GOES AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION.
I AM AN AVID STAS CONSTITUTIONALIST.
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT PROTECTS YOU AND ALLOWS YOU TO BE A CRIMINAL IF ENFORCING THE SPEED FOR ONLY FOUR HOURS A DAY ON ONLY SCHOOL DAYS FOR ONLY FOUR OF OUR MOST TRAFFICKED SCHOOL ZONES BURDENS YOUR TRAVELS THAT BADLY.
I KNOW THAT THEY WON'T BE LIKED.
YOU COULD STAY OFF THE ROADS DURING THOSE TIMES.
OR THE EASIEST ONE IS YOU COULD SIMPLY OBEY THE LAW.
IT'S NOT EVEN 10 MILES PER HOUR THAT'S BEING CITED FOR THIS PROPOSED, UH, PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S 11 PLUS MILES PER HOUR OVER.
AND THOSE FOR CRITIQUING THE COMPANY'S POTENTIAL DISCREPANCIES.
I BELIEVE IT WAS TOLD TO US THAT THESE CITATIONS WOULD GO THROUGH OUR TOWN'S POLICE DEPARTMENT AND BE INVESTIGATED AND DISPERSED THAT WAY.
AS FOR WHY THE SCHOOL BOARD WOULDN'T BE NOTIFIED OR RECEIVE THIS ALLEGED PILE OF CASH THAT WE'RE GONNA POTENTIALLY RECEIVE AS THE TOWN, IF WE IMPLEMENTED THIS, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY CRIMINALS THERE ARE, I SUPPOSE IT'S BECAUSE THE SCHOOL BOARD DOES NOT INSTALL OUR TOWN SIDEWALKS OR PAY FOR THE TOWN'S INFRASTRUCTURE LEADING TO THEIR SCHOOLS.
ANYBODY WHO'S CAME TO ANY MEETING OR WATCHED ONLINE KNOWS THAT FOR MY TWO YEARS ON THIS COUNCIL, I HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT LERAY AVENUE AS A SKYLINE HAWK ALUM, THE CROSS COUNTRY, THE TRACK, THE GYM CLASSES, EVERYDAY CITIZENS USING THE GREENWAY TRAVEL
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ON LERAY AVENUE WITH NO SIDEWALKS.SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL TO SKYLINE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
UM, SO THESE FOUR WERE NOT THE MOST THE LARGEST MONEYMAKERS, THEY WERE THE LARGEST SAFETY AND HEALTH ISSUES.
AND AS A MOTHER WHO TRAVELS ONE OF THOSE, WHICH IS THE WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS MINUS ONE, ARE IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
WHAT THIS MEANS IS BEYOND THE SCHOOL'S SPEED LIMIT, THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT IN ALL OF OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IS 25 MILES PER HOUR.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING 10 PLUS MILES PER HOUR OVER IN THE SCHOOL DAY, YOU'RE SPEEDING BEYOND WHAT THE ACTUAL POSTED SPEED LIMIT IS AS WELL.
THE ONLY EXCEPTION I BELIEVE IS WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL, WHICH IS ON LAKE RUN PARKWAY.
AND MANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD ME SAY OVER THE LAST YEAR, THAT'S THE AUTOBAHN OF FRONT ROYAL.
AND WHAT I'VE WITNESSED THERE IS ON THE FOUR LANES, ONE WILL STOP TO YIELD TO MY SON'S FRIENDS WHO RIDE THEIR BIKES TO SCHOOL FROM LE RUN PARKWAY.
AND THE OTHER PERSON DRIVING FROM BEHIND WHO DIDN'T LEAVE HOME EARLY ENOUGH AND RESPONSIBLY ENOUGH TO DRIVE WHERE THEY WERE GOING IN TIME, SWERVES AROUND THE BRAKED CAR TO PASS THEM ONLY TO REALIZE THERE'S A CHILD IN THE ROADWAY.
AND LEACH RUN PARKWAY IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE DURING THE SCHOOL HOURS.
THERE, THIS COUNCIL DISCUSSED USING ANY SUPPOSED FUNDS TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS FOR THE KIDS IN THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, WHICH COMES AS A MASSIVE COST.
MIGHT I ADD, WE JUST LOOKED AT A SIDEWALK PROJECT THAT WAS OVER 5.5 MILLION.
IF YOU GUYS THINK $75 TO THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANNA OBEY THE LAW IS GONNA FUND THESE SIDEWALKS.
WE GOT A LOT OF TICKETS TO START CITING.
BLUE LINE SAFETY WAS NOT AN INITIATIVE OF MINE OR ANY OF MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS SITTING HERE TODAY.
IT WAS A POTENTIAL RESOLUTION FOR PRESENTED PROBLEM THAT OUR CHIEF HAD BROUGHT TO US, AND WE HAD A CONSENSUS TO EXPLORE THIS OPTION THAT I'M STILL SUPPORTING.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS OBEY THE LAW, AND YOU HAVE NO WORRY WITH BEING A VICTIM OF AN UNFRIENDLY CASE OF LAW AND ORDER.
IF YOU ARE LETTING SOMEONE BORROW YOUR VEHICLE TO DRIVE THROUGH THERE AND THEY GET TICKETED, THAT IS STILL ON YOU.
I DON'T LEND MY VEHICLE TO EAR IRRESPONSIBLE DRIVERS.
THAT'S ONE OF THE FEEDBACKS THAT I'VE GOTTEN AS WELL.
BEING REQUIRED TO OBEY THE LAW ISN'T A HATE CRIME, AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO JUST OFFER A FEW WORDS ON THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING THAT TOOK PLACE ON, UH, JUNE 14TH.
UH, ALL IN ALL, THERE WASN'T MUCH SUBSTANCE TO THAT MEETING.
UH, THE, THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM NORTHROP SOUTHERN, SOUTHERN RAILROAD, UH, WHO HAD BEEN ATTENDING THE LAST OR THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS WASN'T THERE.
UH, SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET AN UPDATE, UM, ON, UH, ON ANY, UH, INFORMATION THAT HE WAS GONNA PROVIDE OR WE'RE EXPECTED TO PROVIDE AT THAT MEETING.
HOWEVER, UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION, UH, FROM VDOT IN REGARDS TO, UH, A POSSIBLE EMERGENCY ENTRANCE, UH, FOR ROUTE 66.
AND THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO SHENANDOAH SHORES, UH, AND AS A, UH, REMEDY FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS IN THE EVENT OF A TRAIN BLOCKING THE INTERSECTION WITH NANDO SHORES AND, AND HABER CREEK ROAD.
AND, UM, THEY SAID IT, THAT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO WITH THE FEDERAL, UH, HIGHWAY TRANSPORTATION SAFETY ADMINISTRATION TO GET THEIR BLESSING.
SO THERE WAS SOME RED TAPE INVOLVED IN THAT.
UH, BUT BEYOND THAT, UH, THE DISCU THE MEETING, UH, REALLY CAME TO, UH, CAME TO A CONCLUSION AT THAT POINT.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, OF COURSE, OUR NEXT MEETING IS GONNA BE, UH, JULY 19TH AT 4:00 PM SO, AND THAT'S ALL.
COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT, WAS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO OFFER? YES, MADAM MAYOR.
I'M GLAD I GET TO GO LAST, RIGHT? YOU WENT FIRST THE LAST TIME I WENT UP THE ROW AND DOWN THE ROAD.
TRUST ME, I DO THIS FOR MY REGULAR JOB.
UH, FIRST OFF, I WANT TO THANK, UH, THE TOWN MANAGER, UH, JOE WALTZ, UH, FOR, FOR, UH, WORKING DILIGENTLY TO GET THAT, UH, TOWN EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT SIGNS UP THERE FOR THE, UH, TO EXPAND IT FOR THE OFF HOURS, UH, AND THE WEEKENDS, UH, SO THAT THE, THE PUBLIC, THE TOURISTS, UH, CAN, UH, USE IT.
UH, I'VE HAD, I'VE HAD TOURISTS COME UP TO ME AND SAY, DOES THIS IS, CAN YOU PARK HERE? AND, UM, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THOSE SIGNS UP THERE.
UH, SECONDLY, UH, ON THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON IN DOWNTOWN FRONT, ROYAL IS, UH, REALLY EXCITING.
UH, I DON'T WANT TO THROW A PLUG IN, BUT, UH, IT'S, UH, IT SEEMS TO BE, UH, A CATCH ON.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PLACES LIKE THAT WILL
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ALSO REVERBERATE, UH, ALONG THE, UH, MAIN STREET FOR OTHER BUSINESSES AS WELL.UH, EVERY FRIDAY, UH, UH, AFTERNOON, I TAKE A WALK DOWN MAIN STREET AND I STOP IN AT THE VISITOR CENTER AND, UH, SEE HOW THINGS ARE GOING.
AND, UH, THE FOLKS DOWN THERE ARE DOING A GREAT JOB, UH, WITH THE VISITORS, UH, MEETING ALL THEIR NEEDS.
AND, UH, I'M GONNA TACK ON TO, UH, A LITTLE BIT ON, UH, COUNSEL.
AND, UH, MORRIS IS, UH, FORGIVE ME HERE, MANIFESTO
UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF, UH, 11 MILES POWER OVER THE SPEED LIMIT THAT, UH, BLUE LINE CAME UP WITH, AND YOU TOTAL 'EM ALL UP, IT'S OVER 20,000 POTENTIAL VIOLATORS.
UH, AND THAT WAS DONE, IF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, CHIEF, BUT, UH, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN DONE OVER, UH, A FOUR HOUR PERIOD PER DAY.
UH, SO THAT'S 20 HOURS, 20 HOURS, UH, IN A WEEK SPAN.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, LIKE A THOUSAND VIOLATIONS PER HOUR.
SO, UH, THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT.
UH, THAT'S PRETTY, UH, IF YOU'RE SPEEDING, YOU'RE SPEEDING.
ALL RIGHT, SO NEXT UP IS THE REPORT OF THE MAYOR.
[9.C. Mayor Report]
UM, THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO SAY IS WHILE I FELT LAST WEEK WAS DREARYIN FACT, I THINK I SAID OUT OF MY MOUTH, AND I WAS IN SOME STORE AND I SAID, ALL THIS RAIN, AND IMMEDIATELY TWO PEOPLE IN THE STORE, OH, WE NEED THE RAIN.
SO I'M, I AM THANKFUL THAT OUR VOLUNTARY, UH, RESTRICTIONS HAVE BEEN LIFTED.
SO HOPEFULLY WE, WE HAVE ENOUGH, UH, PRECIPITATION TO KEEP US GOING THIS SUMMER.
ALSO, UM, I ATTENDED THE ART GALLERY OPENING FOR MELISSA ITCHY ICHY ON MAIN STREET.
UM, SHE HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB OF TURNING THE OLD RAMSEY'S HARDWARE INTO A BEAUTIFUL AND INVITING SPACE.
AND IF YOU'VE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO STOP BY AND SEE HER TALENT ON DISPLAY, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, UH, TO MAKE TIME TO DO JUST THAT KIND OF, UH, WHAT COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT SAID.
AND, AND, UM, COUNCILWOMAN DE DOMENICO PAYNE AND MYSELF DID AN INTERVIEW WITH THE ROYAL EXAMINER, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IS HOW MAIN STREET, UM, IS.
IT'S, IT'S JUST BECOME SO DIVERSE WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO DOWN THERE.
THERE IS AN ART STUDIO, AND AS YOU SAID, LIKE ON Q UM, THERE'S PLACES TO EAT, THERE'S PLACES TO VISIT, THERE'S JUST, UH, A WIDE VARIETY.
SO I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO GO DOWN AND SEE WHAT'S NEW ON MAIN STREET.
AND I, I BELIEVE THERE'S EVEN ANOTHER, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE ADDED TO MAIN STREET, BUT, BUT I WON'T, UH, SPOIL THAT YET.
UM, ALSO, I KNOW THAT OUR FRIDAY FLICKS WAS CANCELED THIS PAST FRIDAY DUE TO THAT WEATHER.
UH, BUT PLEASE BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR MORE OF THOSE.
I KNOW I, I ATTENDED LAST YEAR WITH MY GREAT NIECES AND IT, IT WAS A LOT OF FUN.
UM, SPEAKING OF EVENTS DOWNTOWN EVERY THURSDAY NIGHT, THE BLUE RIDGE ARTS COUNCIL HOLDS THE GAZEBO GATHERINGS, WHICH IS A MUSICAL EVENT, AND IT'S FREE OF CHARGE.
UH, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS BRING YOUR CHAIR.
THERE ARE A VARIETY OF MUSICAL TALENTS.
UM, PLEASE TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BENEFIT FROM THE FOLKS WITH BRAC WHO WORK HARD TO BRING ARTS TO OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, ALSO ABOUT EVENTS DOWNTOWN THIS SATURDAY, JULY 1ST FROM 12 TO THREE, UH, MAIN STREET AT THE GAZEBO AREA IS OUR RED, WHITE AND BLOCK PARTY.
SO IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD, UH, ABOUT THAT HAPPENING, COME ON DOWN.
AND THEN MONDAY NIGHT, ON JULY 3RD, AFTER THE CARDINALS GAME, THE TOWN SPONSORED FIREWORKS SHOW WILL HAPPEN AT DUSK BEHIND THE STADIUM AREA.
UM, IF YOU DON'T WANNA COME TO THE GAME, YOU CAN, UH, FIND A STREET NEARBY OR IN THE MARLOW HEIGHTS AREA.
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FROM YOUR FRONT PORCH OR YOUR BACKYARD IF YOU LIVE IN THAT AND YOU LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE STILL HAVE AN OPENING ON THE FRONT ROW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
I KNOW WE'RE GONNA, WE HAVE A REAPPOINTMENT TONIGHT, BUT I BELIEVE THERE'S STILL ONE OPENING LEFT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
MR. WALTZ, EVEN, EVEN IF THE, SO THERE'S TWO, TWO, EVEN WITH THIS REAPPOINTMENT, I HAD TWO, BUT I CROSSED OUT AND PUT ONE, BUT IT IS TWO.
SO PLEASE GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND CHECK OUT THAT OPPORTUNITY APPLICATIONS ARE DUE BY THIS FRIDAY, UH, JUNE 30TH.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE AN OPENING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
AND I KNOW, UM, THAT BOTH OF THOSE ARE OPENINGS ARE, UH, WE'RE TAKING APPLICATIONS UNTIL THEY'RE FILLED.
BUT I KNOW I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT PLEASE REMEMBER, WE CANNOT DO THE BUSINESS OF OUR TOWN WITHOUT CITIZENS WHO ARE WILLING TO SERVE ON OUR DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
UM, LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO WISH ALL THE CITIZENS, UH, HAPPY 4TH OF JULY, COMING UP NEXT WEEK.
I HOPE YOU GET TO SEE SOME FIREWORKS, HAVE SOME HOT DOGS, AND SPEND TIME WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
[10. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS]
IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.AND I JUST WANNA, UM, REMIND COUNSEL THAT WE DID REMOVE 10 GS.
SO WHEN YOU MAKE THE MOTION, UH, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT, UM, IS NOT REFERRED TO.
IS THERE ANYBODY, UH, WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? I CAN'T FIND IT.
YOU GOT IT? UH, IS IT ON ONE? OKAY.
I MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
ACTUALLY, IT HAS TO, THAT'S THE PART WHERE YOU HAVE TO SAY WITHOUT 10 G.
IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH, MS. PRESLEY? THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT, ABOUT THE CONSENT AGENDA? I KNOW, AND, AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO HOPEFULLY THE ONLY DISCUSSION I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, IT'S A LONG, LONG LAUNDRY LIST OF HOUSEKEEPING THINGS, TRAFFIC SIGNAL CAMERAS, UH, AUCTION PROCEEDS, ET CETERA.
BUT I THOUGHT WHAT WAS REALLY COOL IN HERE WAS THAT WE GOT A DONATION OF USE TASERS FROM LOUDOUN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR OUR FRONT ROYAL PD.
UM, AND WE GOT A DONATION OF POLICE BICYCLES FROM WINCHESTER POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, THANKS TO THE CHIEF FOR WHOEVER WAS ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THOSE ON LIKE THE MARKETPLACE OF POLICE DEPARTMENT TACTICAL GEAR, SAVED THE TOWN A LOT OF MONEY, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
AND THEN IT KEEPS YOU GUYS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, MS. PRESLEY, CAN YOU DO A ROLL CALL? COUNCILWOMAN DE COUNCILWOMAN DE DAMCO PAYNE? YES.
[11.A. Resolution of Support for a Joint Project between the Town of Front Royal’s ESAC, Public Works Department and the Rotary Club of Warren County for Renovation and Beautification of the Front Royal’s Eastern Entrance Corridor located at the Corner of John Marshall Highway and South Commerce Avenue]
UH, WELL NUMBER 11, WHICH IS OUR BUSINESS ITEMS, AND IT'S 11 A, THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR A JOINT PROJECT BETWEEN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYALS ISAC, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, AND THE ROTARY CLUB OF WARREN COUNTY FOR RENOVATION AND BEAUTIFICATION OF THE FRONT ROYALS EASTERN ENTRANCE CORRIDOR, LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY AND SOUTH COMMERCE AVENUE.MS. PRESLEY, UM, DO YOU WANNA READ A SUMMARY? I, I KNOW WE, WE HEARD EARLIER ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT THERE IS A SUMMARY FOR THAT.
I BELIEVE, UM, THE TITLE IS THE SUMMARY.
I, I'D BE MORE THAN GLAD TO, UH, REPEAT IT, BUT YEAH, LET LET WE, WELL BE REDUNDANT.
IS THERE A MOTION? UH, MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNCIL APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR A JOINT PROJECT BETWEEN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYALS, EAC, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, AND THE ROTARY CLUB OF WARREN COUNTY FOR RENOVATION AND BEAUTIFICATION OF THE FRONT ROYALS EASTERN ENTRANCE CORRIDOR, LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY AND SOUTH COMMERCE AVENUE AS PRESENTED.
AND SECOND, WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION.
I KNOW THAT, UM, EARLIER TONIGHT, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME AGO, BUT EARLIER TONIGHT WE HAD A PRESENTATION ABOUT THIS FROM, UH, MR. MICHAEL WILLIAMS FROM THE ROTARY CLUB OF WARREN COUNTY.
UM, I, I WILL SAY, I THINK WE ALL TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER, BUT I DO WANNA SAY, UM, AS COUNCILMAN ROGERS MENTIONED, THIS IS HOW YOU GET THINGS DONE WHEN PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WORK TOGETHER.
AND I'M JUST SO GRATEFUL THAT, UM, A LOCAL,
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UH, COMMUNITY SERVICE ORGANIZATION WOULD, UM, WOULD TAKE UP THIS, UM, UH, THIS, THIS, THIS PROJECT AND TRY TO HELP US, UH, GET THIS TO HAPPEN.AND I KNOW IT DOESN'T GO WITHOUT HELP FROM EAC AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND, AND OUR HORTICULTURALISTS, UH, MR. OSBORNE.
SO IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? YES.
WE, WELL, IT'S A LITTLE OFF, BUT FROM THIS, BUT, UM, I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER RAPAPORT, UM, TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF, UM, OVER THE WEEKEND, I BELIEVE, TO, UM, CLEAN UP AN AREA IN DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL.
SO JUST A REMINDER TO ALL CITIZENS THAT IT, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED, UM, US TO DO IT.
IF YOU SEE IT, YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF IT.
AND, UH, IT'S REALLY BEAUTIFUL AREA BEHIND MAIN STREET, I BELIEVE, RIGHT ON THE, UM, BROWN CHURCH STREET AND MAIN STREET THAT, UH, HE CLEANED UP AND, AND WEED EAT AND, UM, REALLY, REALLY MADE IT BEAUTIFUL.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA OFFER? YES.
IT, IT, IT, THE BEFORE AND AFTER LOOKED AMAZING.
THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE, UH, WAITING FOR US.
THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD CAUTION IS DON'T CUT DOWN SOMEBODY ELSE'S UNLESS YOU'VE GOT PERMISSION.
BECAUSE BRUCE CUT DOWN ON TOWN PROPERTY, SO WE FELT COMFORTABLE OR HE FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M AVAILABLE.
BUT YOU MIGHT WANNA KNOCK ON YOUR NEIGHBOR'S DOOR BEFORE YOU SLICE UP ANY OF THEIR TREES.
ANYWAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT.
UH, CAN WE DO A VOTE? MS. PRESLEY? COUNCIL.
COUNCILWOMAN D DEMON PAYNE? YES.
[11.B. Reappointment to Front Royal Economic Development Authority]
IS THE RE, UH, A REAPPOINTMENT TO THE FRONT ROW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.AND THIS SUMMARY, AS COUNCIL HAS REQUESTED TO REAPPOINT A MEMBER TO THE FRONT ROYAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, FRIDA TO A FOUR YEAR TERM ENDING DECEMBER 13TH, 2026.
UH, THE MEMBER'S TERM ENDED DECEMBER 13TH, 2022.
MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNCIL REAPPOINT DAVID NEY TO THE FRONT ROYAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, ALSO KNOWN AS FRIDA, TO A FOUR YEAR TERM ENDING DECEMBER 13TH, 2026.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? THANK YOU TO MR. EDNEY FOR WILLING TO HIS WILLINGNESS TO HANG IN THERE WITH US.
SO, UH, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? COUNCILWOMAN D DAMCO PAYNE? YES.
[10.G. FY24 Budget Amendment and Transfer for Speed Camera Enforcement Services in School Zones]
TO OUR 11 C, WHICH IF YOU REMEMBER FROM EARLIER THAT, UM, WE'VE ADDED THIS, UH, WE'VE TAKEN THIS ITEM OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, TO MOVE IT TO BUSINESS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, DISCUSSION.UM, AND SO, MS. PRESLEY, DO YOU WANNA READ THE SUMMARY? SURE.
AND HONESTLY, CAN I SAY THE SUMMARY? I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO GO INTO THE BUDGET FUNDING PART, JUST THE SUMMARY AT THE TOP.
COUNSEL, YOU AGREE WITH ME? THERE'S NO NEED FOR ALL THAT.
COUNCIL'S REQUESTED TO APPROVE AN FY 24 BUDGET AMENDMENT AND FY 24 BUDGET TRANSFER FOR THE PROCUREMENT OF SPEED CAMERA ENFORCEMENT SERVICES IN SCHOOL ZONES IN THE AMOUNT OF 112,000 112 $512,500.
BY UTILIZING A COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING PROCUREMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN WHITE COUNTY AND BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS, THE VIRGINIA CODE AUTHORIZES COLLECTION OF A CIVIL PENALTY UP TO A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR SPEEDING VIOLATIONS OF 11 MILES PER HOUR OR MORE IN SCHOOL AND CONSTRUCTION ZONES.
THE TOWN WOULD AGREE TO PAY BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS A FEE OF $25 PER VIOLATION PROCESSED, WHICH WILL BE SUBTRACTED FROM THE TOWN'S GROSS RECEIPTS OF PAID SUMMONSES BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS.
TURNKEY AUTOMATED SPEED ENFORCEMENT SYSTEM AT NO COST OF THE TOWN INCLUDES INSTALLATION INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING COMMUNICATIONS AND WIRELESS INTEGRATION, ONGOING SERVICES AND MAINTENANCE, ALL WEBSITE AND CALL CENTER SUPPORT, CITATION, ISSUANCE AND MAILING.
SECOND REMINDER, MAILED NOTICE AND PROCESSING SERVICES.
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YOU MS. PRESLEY.UM, COUNSEL, DO I HEAR A MOTION? DIDN'T, DIDN'T, SOME DIDN'T.
SOMEBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE IT TO DISCUSSION.
COUNSEL, APPROVE F Y 24 BUDGET AMENDMENT AND F Y 24 BUDGET TRANSFER FOR THE PROCUREMENT OF SPEED CAMERA ENFORCEMENT SERVICES AND SCHOOL ZONES IN THE AMOUNT OF $112,500.
UTILIZING A COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING PROCUREMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN WHITE COUNTY AND BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS, I FURTHER REMOVE THAT ALL PROCEEDS BENEFIT THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW SIDEWALKS AROUND THE AREA.
AND, UM, THEN WE'RE GONNA, UM, BRING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
AND THEN ALSO JUST AS AN FYI FOR COUNSEL, UM, THAT AFTER THE DISCUSSION, WE CAN VOTE ON THAT MOTION.
HOWEVER, SOMEBODY COULD ALSO AMEND THE MOTION.
TINA, SHOULD THEY AMEND IT NOW? YES.
SO SOMEBODY, IF THEIR, UH, INTEREST IN AMENDING THE MOTION, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO IT.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT CAN BE AMBER BECAUSE SHE WAS THE PERSON WHO MADE THE INITIAL.
SO WOULD SOMEBODY ELSE BE WILLING TO, UH, OR IS SOMEBODY ELSE INTERESTED IN AMENDING THAT MOTION, UM, TO POSSIBLY TAKE IT BACK TO A WORK SESSION? IS THERE, IT CAN'T BE JOSH OR AMBER.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION THAT WE, UM, CONSIDER THIS AFTER RETURNING THIS TO WORK SESSION AND POSSIBLY PUG BOOK HEARING.
I HAD TO MAKE THE MOTION SO WE COULD DISCUSS IT.
SO NOW WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION.
WE HAVE A SECOND, AND NOW WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION, CORRECT? YES.
IS THAT CORRECT? MR, CAN YOU STATE THE MOTION ON THE TABLE, PLEASE? THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS TO, THE AMENDED MOTION ON THE TABLE IS TO RETURN THIS ITEM TO A WORK SESSION.
OR POSSIBLY A A TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE A MR. MR. SAUNA, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING INACCURATE.
YOU'RE, BUT THE VOTE IS ON THE AMENDMENT.
RIGHT? AND THEN THERE'LL BE A, HAVE TO BE A VOTE ON THE, THE MAIN MOTION.
BUT WE ARE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION BEFORE WE DO ANY OF THAT, RIGHT? YEP.
I'M GONNA START OFF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT BECAUSE I THINK, UM, AS COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS DISCUSSED IN HER, UM, REPORT OF COUNSEL, UH, EARLIER TONIGHT, THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF US PREDICTED, UM, UH, PREDICTED.
UM, SOME OF, A LOT OF THE, THE FEEDBACK AND THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING, UM, SINCE THIS TOPIC CAME FORWARD, WE DID HAVE TWO WORK SESSIONS ABOUT IT.
THE FIRST WORK SESSION WAS, UH, TO BRING IT UP AND TO SEE IF COUNSEL HAD AN APPETITE TO HEAR, TO MOVE FURTHER.
AND THERE WAS A DIRECTION FOR STAFF THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE.
AND THEN AT THE SECOND WORK SESSION, UH, CHIEF MCGILLIS PRESENTED SOME STATISTICS FOR US THAT BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS HAD COLLECTED.
AND THEN THERE WAS LOTS OF DISCUSSION, UH, UH, ABOUT THAT AT THAT TIME.
UM, AND MAYBE THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS WE DIDN'T ASK THEN, OR MAYBE WE ASKED AND GOT OUR ANSWERS AND THE PUBLIC WASN'T AWARE.
SO I'M GONNA TAKE THIS TIME TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME QUESTIONS AND SOME ANSWERS THAT WE HAVE.
THESE MIGHT BE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
UH, IT MAY NOT, MAYBE IT'S OVERKILL, BUT I DO WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW.
SO THE QUESTION WAS, UM, SHOULD WE HAVE PUT THIS OUT TO BID IN ORDER TO BE FAIR TO OTHER COMPANIES AND TO SEE WHAT THEY OFFERED? AND THE ANSWER IS THAT WE DID, UM, WE, WE USED A COOPERATIVE CONTRACTING, WHICH MEANS THAT ANOTHER LOCALITY IN VIRGINIA PUT IT OUT TO BID.
UM, AND WE ARE ALLOWED TO LITERALLY, THEY CALL IT PIGGYBACKING IN THE STATE OFF OF THEIR CONTRACT.
THEY WEREN'T THE ONLY COMPANY COMPANY THAT, UM, WOULD'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT LOCALITY WAS WITH BILL, WITH COUNTY, NOT WITH BILL, WITH COUNTY, OR THE SPEED CAMERAS CALIBRATED.
AND HOW OFTEN I'VE GOTTEN THAT QUESTION MANY TIMES OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS.
I, I'M, I'M SURMISING THAT MOST OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE HEARD SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS, SO JUMP IN IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE IT.
BUT, UM, THE ANSWER TO THAT, UM, BECAUSE THESE SPEED CAMERAS USE LIDAR EQUIPMENT, UM, THE CAMERAS ACTUALLY CALIBRATE EVERY 30 MINUTES AND THEY'RE SERVICED EVERY SIX MONTHS, CORRECT? CHIEF 35 MINUTES.
UH, THE CAMERAS CALIBRATE EVERY 35 MINUTES, AND THEY'RE SERVICED EVERY SIX MONTHS.
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AND LET'S SEE, UH, UH, IS THERE ANY SALE OF PERSONAL DATA OF THOSE TICKETED, UM, AND THE PER STATE CODE? THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO.UM, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
SO WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THE APPEALS AND THE APPEAL PROCESS? AND SO, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT, UH, CUZ SOME PEOPLE ASK THAT QUESTION IS HOW WOULD PEOPLE GO ABOUT, UM, APPEALING IT? SO FIRST OFF, LET ME JUST SAY THAT THE CITATION IS A CIVIL PENALTY, UH, THEREFORE THERE ARE NO, IT DOES NOT AFFECT HER DRIVING RECORD OR INSURANCE.
UM, AND THEY, IT WOULD BE HANDLED JUST AS ANY OTHER APPEAL.
UM, SO WE GO THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM.
UM, I HAVE NOT, AND I STILL NEED TO, TO CONFIRM ABOUT WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE.
THERE WAS SOME, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, UM, STATEMENT THAT THERE WOULD BE COURT COSTS PAID IF YOU WERE, UH, FOUND GUILTY AND NOT.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, I'VE ASKED SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE, EVEN PEOPLE WITH THE COURT, AND I'VE KIND OF GOTTEN A COUPLE MIXED THINGS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE STILL NEED TO, TO LOOK INTO.
BUT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS, YES, ANYBODY COULD APPEAL IT.
AND YES, THE FRONT ROW POLICE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY, UH, VALIDATE THOSE CITATIONS.
AND SO IF THERE'S AN APPEAL, IT COULD BE HANDLED.
UM, IF THERE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE TIMING, THE SPEED CAMERAS WERE GOING ON, THAT'S SOMETHING THE FRONT ROW PD CAN ACTUALLY HANDLE THEMSELVES.
UM, SO, BUT OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S NO ERROR, UH, THEY CAN CONTEST, UM, THE CITATION.
UH, SOMEBODY ASKED ABOUT WHAT, AND AMBER ALLUDED TO THIS, WHAT WOULD BE HAPPENING IF, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, A DRIVER OTHER THAN YOURSELF WAS DRIVING THE CAR? FOR AN EXAMPLE, A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT NEAR A HIGH SCHOOL, UM, THE CITATION GOES TO THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE, AND, UM, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE OWNER TO, UH, PAY THE CITATION.
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW WHO THE DRIVER IS AND YOU WANNA, UH, VOLUNTEER THAT INFORMATION, UH, PER STATE CODE, THAT'S YOU, YOU, UH, YOU COULD DO THAT.
UM, OUR TIMES OF WHEN THE CAMERAS WOULD, UH, BE WORKING WOULD BE SET LOCALLY BY US.
UM, AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL ZONES ELEMENTARY, UM, AND SECONDARY, THEY'RE USUALLY ACTIVATED 30 MINUTES PRIOR TO THE SCHOOL HOURS AND 30 MINUTES AFTER THE SCHOOL HOURS.
UH, IF THERE IS A TWO HOUR DELAY, UM, AN EARLY RELEASE, IF THERE'S A TEACHER WORKDAY, UM, ALL OF THAT WOULD, UM, BE TA YOU KNOW, THE, UH, CITATIONS WOULDN'T BE OCCURRING FOR THAT TIME.
UM, THAT'S WHY HAVING A FRONT ROW PD OFF PD OFFICER VETTING THE CITATION WOULD PRECLUDE ANY ERRORS.
UM, AS FAR AS THAT GOES, UM, THE TOWN WOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, UM, INSTALLING THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT WOULD BE ALL PART OF THE BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS.
UH, THEIR ENGINEERS GO OVER THE SITE PLAN WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND OUR ENERGY SERVICES, AND THEY PROVIDE THE SIGNAGE, UM, FLASHING LIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT PER VDOT GUIDELINES.
UM, AND LET'S SEE, UH, FRONT ROW PD WOULD BE THE ONES WHO WOULD FIELD, UM, ANY CALLS FROM CITIZENS OR COMPLAINTS.
UM, WHAT ELSE AM I LEAVING OUT? YES.
SO, UH, THE, IF FOR SOME REASON, UM, WE WERE TO DETERMINE THAT, UH, THAT IT ISN'T THE RIGHT FIT FOR OUR COMMUNITY, UH, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET OUTTA THE CONTRACT.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME QUESTION ABOUT, UM, US REPAYING THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND DEPENDING ON, UH, THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS IN THERE, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING BACK THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT IT WOULD BE PRORATED THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, UM, BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR INSTALLING, UH, PART OF THE CITATION, THE $25, UH, OF THAT CITATION ACTUALLY IS A PROCESSING FEE.
AND THAT IS WHAT COVERS THE EQUIPMENT, THE MAINTENANCE, UM, THE CITATION GENERATION, THE MAILING AND, UH, MATERIALS AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT.
I THINK, I THINK THAT ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD, AND I SAW ANSWERS ABOUT CHIEF, I BELIEVE.
WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO OFFER THAT, THAT MAYBE I DIDN'T COVER?
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AND OBVIOUSLY COUNSEL MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TOO, BUT I, I WILL ADMIT THAT I, I HAD A RATHER EXHAUSTIVE SURE.SET OF QUESTIONS, BUT I WAS VERY PLEASED THAT IN A MATTER OF 24 TO 48 HOURS, I GOT ALL OF MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
WILL YOU, UH, THERE WAS A LITANY OF QUESTIONS AND BETWEEN, BETWEEN ME AND GEORGE AND I THINK BJ, WE PROBABLY WERE ABLE TO MANAGE A LOT OF 'EM.
I BROUGHT SOME OF THE EMAIL STUFF, AND FORGIVE ME, I'M GONNA HAVE TO PUT, UH, SOMETHING TO HELP THESE OLDER EYES OUT.
SO, UM, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I THINK DON'T MADE IT IN THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE EMAIL WAS, HOW DID WE COME ACROSS THIS SITUATION WHERE WE JUST SOLICITED OUT OF THE BLUE? AND, AND OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE, UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH, UH, AS FAR AS COMPLAINTS IS THE VOLUME OF SPEED COMPLAINTS IT EVERYWHERE IN TOWN, BUT SPECIFICALLY, UM, IN THE SCHOOL ZONES.
I'VE, YOU KNOW, HEARD 'EM FROM THIS COUNCIL AS WELL.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE 21ST CENTURY POLICING, WE'RE TRYING TO LEVERAGE TECHNOLOGY, UH, TO HELP MAKE IT MORE, UH, HELP OUR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY IN A MORE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT MANNER.
UM, SO WE TOOK, INITIALLY THE, HOW WE KIND OF DEVELOPED THE FOUR SCHOOL ZONES WERE THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE SEEN THE MOST, UH, ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS AND HAD THE MOST, UH, CITIZEN COMPLAINTS.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE MORE SCHOOL ZONES THAN JUST THESE FOUR.
WE CHOSE THESE BECAUSE THESE SEEM TO BE KIND OF THE BIG, THE MOST PROBLEMATIC FOR US.
UM, AND YOU'VE GOT TWO OF THE SCHOOL ZONES THAT ARE 15 MILES PER HOUR.
YOU'VE GOT, UM, SKYLINE MIDDLE ON RA AVENUE AND C CRIER ROAD WITH RESTY JEFFRIES, WHICH IS 15 MILES PER HOUR, AND THEN AS ROADS OUT ON 55, WHICH IS 35 MILES PER HOUR REGULARLY, AND 25 MILE PER HOUR SCHOOL ZONE.
AND THE SAME THING ON, UM, LEACH'S RUN.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE DEVELOPED BOTH, UH, LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION, UH, TO HELP AUGMENT MANPOWER THROUGH TECHNOLOGY TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THESE PROBLEMS. UH, AND IT'S ALSO HOW WE IDENTIFIED THE SCHOOL ZONES THAT WE WANTED TO, TO KIND OF TEST BED THIS PROGRAM WITH.
UM, AND AGAIN, AS COUNCILMAN MORRIS, UH, MENTIONED THAT THE SPEED LIMIT DECREASE IS ONLY 10 MILES PER HOUR.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WRITING PEOPLE AT TWO MILES OVER, FIVE MILES OVER, EVEN 10 MILES OVER.
YOU GOTTA BE GOING 11 MILES OR MORE ABOVE THE SPEED LIMIT TO GET A TICKET.
I, I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT FOR THE CITIZENS THAT STATE CODE YES, MA'AM.
ALLOWS THIS FOR 11 MILES PER HOUR OVER.
AND WE'RE, LISTEN, WE'RE NOT AN ENTERPRISE FUNCTION OF THE TOWN.
UH, WE'RE OUR, YEAH, OUR CURRENCY IS SAFETY AND SECURITY.
WE'RE, WE'RE AN EXPENSE TO THE TOWN.
UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE, WHAT, WHAT WE BRING TO THE TABLE IS SAFETY AND SECURITY LAW AND ORDER.
UM, SO WE ARE DEFINITELY NOT IN THIS FOR REVENUE.
IT'S, UH, IT'S ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU GOTTA CONSIDER, AGAIN, IT'S 11 MILES AN HOUR OVER, UM, MOST OF THESE SCHOOL ZONES ARE BETWEEN A QUARTER OF A MILE AND FOUR-TENTHS OF A MILE LONG.
SO THEY'RE RELATIVELY SHORT SPANS OF, OF DISTANCE.
SO, AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, PUNCTUALITY'S IMPORTANT, BUT IF YOU CAN'T GET THERE, UH, WITHOUT DROPPING YOUR SPEED FOR 10 MILES PER HOUR FOR QUARTER OF A MILE, YOU'RE GONNA BE LATE ANYWAY.
UM, SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE, WE ARE TRYING TO GAIN COMPLIANCE.
AND I, I MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME, COMPLIANCE AND NOT COMPENSATION.
UH, IF I THOUGHT FOR A SECOND, I'M A PRETTY, I HAVE A SUNNY DISPOSITION, PRETTY POSITIVE GUY.
IF I THOUGHT FOR A SECOND THAT WE COULD ISSUE GOLD STARS TO THE NON VIOLATORS AND THAT WOULD SOLVE OUR PROBLEM, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO YIELD THE DESIRED RESULT AND SLOW FOLKS DOWN IN THE AREAS THAT WE'RE HAVING THE PROBLEMS. UM, SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE, UH, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, THAT WE SEE AS PROBLEMS. UM, I DON'T, TH I THINK YOU COVERED PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.
UH, MADAM MAYOR WITH THE EXCEPTION, OH, OF THE, UM, SO THERE ARE FOUR SYSTEMS, AND THE CONTRACT PRICE FOR EACH WAS 15,000, OR I'M SORRY, 75,000.
AND THAT WAS PER SCHOOL, NOT PER CAMERA.
UM, AND THAT, SO THAT IN, IN THE CONTRACT, IF BLUE LINE BACKS OUT, WE'RE NOT LIABLE FOR ANYTHING IF THE TOWN WOULD BACK OUT, ALL OF THE MONEY THAT'S GENERATED IS PRORATED TOWARDS THE COST OF THE PROGRAM.
SO ANYTHING, IF WE DECIDED TO PULL OUT
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23 MONTHS INTO A 24 CONTRACT, UH, 24 MONTH CONTRACT, WE'RE NOT LIABLE FOR ALL OF THAT MONEY.WE'RE ONLY LIABLE FOR ANYTHING THAT WE DIDN'T COVER IN THE INITIAL CONTRACT.
AND EVEN IF WE DON'T CATCH EVERYTHING IN THAT FIRST 24 MONTHS, WE'RE NOT LIABLE FOR ANYTHING AFTER THAT EITHER.
SO, AND QUITE FRANKLY, I HOPE THEY DON'T GET OUR, I HOPE WE DON'T, I HOPE WE DON'T GET, I HOPE WE DON'T SEE MAJOR PROFITS OFF THIS.
I MEAN, AGAIN, THE, I'D RATHER SEE US GET SIX MONTHS INTO THIS THING, NOT COLLECT A DIME, CUZ THAT MEANS NOBODY'S SPEEDING IN OUR SCHOOL ZONE.
SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AND I HOPE THAT ANSWERS SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
I THINK WITH HAVING THE KNOWLEDGE THAT A POLICE OFFICER ACTUALLY VETS ALL OF THE CITATIONS BEFORE THEY GO OUT.
SO IF THERE WAS A TWO HOUR DELAY AND A CAMERA WAS STILL ON IT, IT WOULDN'T GO OUT BECAUSE OUR OFFICERS WOULD ACTUALLY BE VETTING THAT.
IF WE, IF WE SAW THAT THERE WAS AN ERROR WITH THE, WITH THE LIDAR, WE WE'RE VETTING THAT.
SO IT'S NOT JUST AN AUTOMATIC GENERATED, UH, TICKET THAT GOES OUT WITH ANY SORT OF HUMAN OVERSIGHT.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER, HAPPY TO CHIEF.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY GOT CONFUSED BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE, WE HAVE INFORMATION OR WE, WE'VE HEARD THE INFORMATION SO IT MAKES SENSE TO US.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, CUZ WHEN YOU STARTED QUOTING 75,000, 300,000, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL IS PUTTING UP NO MONEY IF WE CHOOSE TO DO THIS.
THERE WOULD BE $0 FOR IF THERE IS A CITATION ISSUED, UH, THE CIVIL PENALTY.
WHICH AGAIN, DOES, IS NOT, UH, IT'S NOT CRIMINAL, IT'S A CIVIL PENALTY.
IT WOULD BE A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
AND THE TOWN WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO REMIT TO BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS, $25 OF THAT A HUNDRED DOLLARS, WHICH IS THE PROCESSING FEE THAT GOES TOWARDS PAYING FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, AND, UH, PROCESSING AND MAILING AND ALL OF, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO JUST IN CASE ANYBODY HEARD US TALK ABOUT THE OTHER AMOUNT, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS IF FOR SOME REASON THE TOWN WERE TO DECIDE, UH, THAT THIS IS NOT FOR US, THAT WE DON'T NEED THIS OR IT'S CAUSING PROBLEMS OR FOR WHATEVER REASON, I, I DON'T, I, YOU CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE, BUT IF WE WERE TO SAY ONE YEAR INTO THIS, THIS ISN'T WORKING AND WE'RE GONNA STOP, UM, IF WE WERE TO PULL OUTTA THE CONTRACT, ANY OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THAT BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS PAID FOR, UM, WHICH ON DAY ONE IT'S 75,000 PER UNIT, THERE'S FOUR UNITS.
BUT, UM, EVERYTHING, ALL OF THAT, $25 FOR EACH CITATION WOULD BE PAYING THAT DOWN, SO TO SPEAK.
ALMOST LIKE MAKING PAYMENTS ON SOMETHING.
SO THAT'S WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO IS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE WERE TO HAVE TO PAY TO GET OUTTA THAT CONTRACT, WE WOULD BE PAYING FOR THAT INSTALLATION.
I KNOW ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP, AND I, AND THIS IS, AND THIS PROBABLY IS MORE A QUESTION FOR MR. SONNET AND IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO, BUT SOMEBODY DID ASK ME THIS, IF THE STATE WERE TO CHOOSE TO CHANGE THE STATE CODE AND NO LONGER ALLOW THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, A NEWER, UM, INITIATIVE OR NEW NEW ADDITION TO THE STATE CODE IN THE LAST FOUR TO SIX YEARS, RIGHT? HAS IT BEEN 10 YEARS? OKAY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS, IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LITTLE WHILE DURING NORTH ARM'S TERM, WHICH WAS MORE THAN 10, BUT I COULD BE WRONG.
I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT WAS FAIRLY NEW.
UM, BUT IF FOR SOME REASON SOMETHING WOULD SHIFT IN RICHMOND AND THEY WOULD THEN SAY, WE'RE NO LONGER GOING TO ALLOW THIS, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE WOULDN'T BE, UH, HELD RESPONSIBLE TO PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE COULD NO LONGER USE ANYWAY BECAUSE THE STATE CODE CHANGES.
DID GEORGE, DOES THAT MAKE, DID THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN, I'M, I KNOW I'M NOT EXPECTING YOU TO KNOW THE ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
ALL I COULD DO IS SPECULATE THAT THEY WOULD SUNSET IT OKAY.
THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST SPECULATION.
YEAH, I JUST WAS SAYING THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE WANNA LOOK AT AND WE WOULDN'T CERTAINLY BE THE ONLY LOCALITY THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THAT.
AND SO I, I JUST DIDN'T WANNA, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF FOR SOME REASON WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THIS, THAT IF SOMETHING CHANGED IN RICHMOND, THAT WE WOULDN'T BE STUCK PAYING $300,000 BECAUSE WE ACTED ON A STATE CODE THAT WAS, WE THOUGHT WAS, UH, UH, ACCEPTABLE.
I'VE DONE ENOUGH, UH, ASKING AND TALKING AND ALL THAT STUFF.
WHO ELSE? UH, MRS. UH, OR MELISSA? YES.
UM, I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS, BUT IF YOU WERE GOING 11 MILES OVER THE SPEED LIMIT, WHAT KIND OF FINE DOES THAT TYPICALLY CARRY, GEORGE WITH COURT, WITH COURT COSTS? WHAT WOULD THAT HIT?
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AND THEN AN APPEAL YOU WOULD ADD, LET'S JUST SAY ANOTHER 80, RIGHT? I THINK SHE MEANS IF YOU GOT A, IF YOU GOT A SENIOR TICKET TICKET, I RECEIVE A TICKET.
IF I RECEIVE A TICKET FOR 11 OVER, I'M GONNA HAVE A PROBABLY AN 80, $80 TICKET.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? AND THEN SO MANY POINT, AT LEAST THREE OFF THE LICENSE.
SO NO, THERE'S, THERE'S NO POINT FOR, IT'S, IT'S CIVIL.
SHE'S TALKING ABOUT IF IT'S A CRIMINAL, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU GET A TRAFFIC CHARGE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT SHE'S ASKING.
SO YES, UH, IF YOU'RE 11 OVER IT'S THREE POINTS.
UM, THE FINE CAN BE UP TO TWO 50, BUT THE PREPAYABLE AMOUNT UNDER BY STATUTE IS $6 A MILE.
BUT IN A SCHOOL ZONE IT'S $7 A MILE.
AND SO IT'D BE $7 A MILE PLUS COURT COSTS WOULD BE, UM, UM, THE, THE PREPAYABLE AMOUNT.
BUT ANY TRAFFIC INFRACTION YOU CAN BE FINED UP TO TWO 50.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR OFFICERS, YOUR LOWEST PAID OFFICER THAT DOES TRAFFIC PATROL.
WHAT'S YOUR BEGINNING WAGE?
AND SO, UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, I THINK IN TERMS OF, OF BUDGET, IS THAT HOW MUCH IT WOULD BOTH COST THE INDIVIDUAL? UM, WHO'S GETTING THE TICKET NOW? TO ME, I MEAN, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ONE IN A WHILE
YOU DRIVING THAT ROAD, YOU'RE DRIVING IN THAT, UH, HIGH VOLUME LANE.
SO ANYWAY, H O V, UM, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, TO ME, I FEEL LESS INFRINGED PRIVACY WISE THAT, THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, A, A CAMERA AND I PRESUME LIKE WHEN YOU PULL OVER A PERSON IN REAL LIFE, UM, WITHOUT THE CAMERA, DO YOU SHOW THEM IN, IN THE OLD DAYS PEOPLE USED TO JUST PULL YOU OVER AND SAY, YOU, YOU'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, 75 MILES AN HOUR AND A 55, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
BUT DO YOU LIKE SHOW THEM THAT RIGHT NOW? NO.
SO I GUESS I'M TRYING TO SAY WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE CAMERA LYING OR THE CAMERA NOT BEING, BEING WRONG OR WHATEVER.
SO COULD THE POLICE OFFICER AS WELL.
THE CAMERA USES THE SAME LIDAR UNIT THAT WE USE WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE ON THE STREET DOING IT BY HAND.
BUT DOES IT, AND THEN DOES IT CATCH IT BY, UM, SO WHEN YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT PICTURE MM-HMM.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THESE CAMERAS, CUZ I KNOW ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST, OH, WELL THE FLASHER WASN'T GOING WELL.
THESE CAMERAS HAVE A, WHAT'S CALLED A FLASHER INDICATOR MODULE THAT'S BUILT INTO THE CAMERA.
SO THAT DATA COMES TO US ALONG WITH THE TICKET SO THAT WE KNOW IF WE'RE ISSUING THAT CITATION, THAT THAT FLASHER WAS ACTUALLY OPERATING AT THE TIME THAT THE, THAT THE VIOLATION OCCURRED SO THAT WE, WE CAN PUT THAT INFORMATION IN WITH THE SPEED AND THE DATE AND TIME, OBVIOUSLY.
AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU CAN SAY, WELL, THE, THE FLASHERS WEREN'T FLASHING, SO I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS SCHOOL ZONE TIME.
BECAUSE THAT ACTUALLY, IT DENOTES, IT, IT LOGS THE DATE AND TIME WHEN THE VIOLATION OCCURRED AND WHETHER OR NOT THE FLASHERS WERE ACTUALLY, UH, OPERATIONAL AT THE TIME.
AND IF THEY AREN'T, THEN YOUR CONCERNS THAT VETTING IT DOESN'T ISSUE THE CITATION, WE WOULD VOID OUT THE TICKET.
VOID IT OUT BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP IT CLEAN.
AND THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY IS, UM, YOU'VE BEEN, YOU HAVE BEEN MONITORING THESE AREAS INDEPENDENTLY FROM WHAT, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, YOU WOULD NOT NECESSARILY REPORT THAT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? UM, CORRECT.
OR WOULD YOU, SO SO ANOTHER THING THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN, I, I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION, UH, ABOUT THIS INITIATIVE SEVERAL MONTHS BACK.
UH, AARON MITCHELL, AND HE WAS SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
AND WE WERE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET TOGETHER WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT UPGRADING THE SCHOOL ZONES WITH THE NEW SIGNAGE.
UM, AND HE, HE WAS EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF, UH, POTENTIALLY LOOKING INTO OUTFITTING SOME OF THE SCHOOL BUSES WITH STOP ARM, UH, CAMERAS ON THE SCHOOL BUSES, BECAUSE I GUESS THEY HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLES FLYING AROUND SCHOOL BUSES AS THEY'RE LOADING AND UNLOADING STUDENTS.
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QUESTION, BUT I, I WILL SAY ONE THING, AND I, I KNOW I SAID THIS TO YOU EARLIER, WE, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY OF CHILDREN MM-HMM.BUT AS I SHARED WITH YOU EARLIER, UM, A TRUE CONCERN TOO IS BUS SAFETY.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUSES ARE LOADING AND UNLOADING AND, AND WHAT YOU JUST STATED, PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUS IS STOPPING THE ARMS GOING OUT, THEY'RE COMING BY OR, OR SPEEDING THROUGH.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST BICYCLE, IT'S NOT JUST PEDESTRIAN, IT'S ALSO BUS SAFETY, UM, IN THOSE ZONES AS WELL.
WELL, EVEN, EVEN THE INCREASED, JUST THE INCREASED TRAFFIC VOLUME WITH PARENTS TURNING IN AND OUT OF THE SCHOOLS TO DROP THE KIDS OFF.
MOST OF THE SCHOOLS HAVE MULTIPLE ENTRANCES COMING OFF KIND OF BIGGER ROADS, LIKE LEGRON PARKWAY, THERE'S FOUR LANES COMING INTO POTENTIALLY TWO DIFFERENT ENTRANCES.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS THERE.
AND WHEN THE VOLUME IS, IS HIGHER DURING THOSE PEAK TIMES, UM, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING, UH, A, A REDUCED SPEED LIMIT DURING THOSE PEAK TIMES TO ME.
COUNCILMAN ROGERS, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF OR COMMENTS, DISCUSSION? DON'T SIT DOWN THEN THAT WAY IN CASE, WE'LL, NOT A QUESTION CHIEF, JUST JUST TO COMMENT.
UH, AND I'M A LAW ENFORCEMENT GUY AND A LAW AND ORDER GUY, JUST, UH, JUST LIKE MOST EVERYONE, I THINK WE'RE ALL INTERESTED IN SECURITY AND TAKING CARE OF ONE ANOTHER.
MY CONCERN IS, IS COST, THOSE METRICS YOU DEVELOPED ARE, UH, FRIGHTENING.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU THAT.
THOSE, THOSE METRICS, THAT DATA THAT YOU GUYS HAVE GENERATED IS SIGNIFICANT.
WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH THAT? WELL, WE HAVE ONE THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
LET'S GO OUT AND SPEND 7500, 50, $300,000.
NOW LET'S GET CAMERAS AND, AND WE'LL NAIL PEOPLE.
AND I THINK THAT THAT IS A FAIR AND LEGITIMATE WAY FORWARD.
I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW WE CAN ENHANCE, UH, OUR PATROLS.
UH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE, WE KNOW THE TIME, WE KNOW THE PLACES.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DIALOGUE ON HOW WE, MAYBE IN PARTNERSHIP, MAYBE NOT.
MAYBE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN EXPLORE THAT AREN'T GONNA COST US UP TO $300,000.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT, CHIEF.
I MEAN, I WANT, I DON'T, I WOULD NOT WANT TO HEAR OF ONE SINGLE CHILD, PARENT INJURED.
BUT ARE WE DOING THE RIGHT THING AT THE RIGHT TIME? AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE PUTTING A CART BEFORE THE HORSE IF WE OUGHT TO BE DOING SOMETHING MAYBE PRIOR TO SPENDING A BOATLOAD OF MONEY.
SO TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT SPENDING ANY MONEY UP FRONT.
I, WE'RE ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF THAT MONEY.
IF, IF WE DECIDE THROUGHOUT, SAY AT SOME POINT THROUGHOUT THE CONTRACT, WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY, WE'RE NOT, THERE'S NO CASH OUTLAY FOR US UNLESS WE FAIL TO COMPLETE THE TWO YEAR CONTRACT.
UM, I'M ALL ABOUT HEARING MORE ABOUT ENHANCING OUR PATROL THOUGH,
SPEND A WEEK, SPEND TWO WEEKS, SPEND A MONTH, WHATEVER IT IS, PICK SOME TIMES, PICK A PLACE, UM, AND LET'S ENHANCE OUR, OUR SECURITY.
LET'S GET OUT THERE AND LET'S SEE WHAT WE COME UP WITH.
AND GOD BLESS YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DO.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO OFFER? VICE MAYOR SEAL? OH, YES.
TO ANSWER SOMETHING THAT, THAT COUNCILMAN ROGERS JUST SAID, I KNOW WHAT THE CHIEF STAFFING IS.
UM, THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO EVEN, I THINK HIS DEPARTMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS AS AT LEAST SIX MORE OFFICERS.
UM,
I'M, I'M SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, UM, CHIEF, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THIS.
I THINK IT WAS, IT, YOU'VE DONE GREAT WORK ON IT.
AND HERE AGAIN, I'M GONNA SAY IT AGAIN.
YOUR DEPARTMENT IS LEAPS AND BOUNDS, UH, BETTER THAN A LOT OF 'EM AROUND.
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WELL, THANK YOU.UM, BUT, UH, AND I THINK THESE CAMERAS WILL HELP, UM, LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION ON THEM, MAYBE AS, AS THEY SAID, UH, WE'LL PROBABLY BEND YOUR EAR IN THE NEXT, UH, WORK SESSION SOME MORE ABOUT IT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO JUMP ON YOU.
UH, NO, NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I SERVED ON THE, I SERVED AS PRESIDENT OF THE POLICE FOUNDATION FOR FOUR YEARS, THREE YEARS, WHATEVER IT WAS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, I GOT TO TALK TO A LOT OF THE GUYS, AND I THINK HIS GUYS NOW, THEY, THEY'RE STILL WORKING IN MY EYES SHORTHANDED.
YOU KNOW, UM, HE'S LUCKY WITH WHAT HE HAS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK A LOT OF 'EM, THEY DON'T MIND WORKING THE OVERTIME.
YOU KNOW, UM, BUT, UH, I THINK THE CHIEF HAS PULLED IT TOGETHER AND WE'VE GOT A GOOD BUNCH OF GUYS.
BUT I THINK IF WE START CALLING THEM IN TO DO LACK OF BETTER WORDS, A STUDY, I THINK IT'S GONNA BURN 'EM OUT AND IT'S GONNA COST US MORE THAN HIRING A COUPLE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW? SO, YOU KNOW, IT, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TIT FOR TAT WITH WHATEVER YOU DO.
BUT AGAIN, CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR US.
UM, I, TWO THINGS, ONE THING THAT YOU SAID ABOUT, I WILL SAY THAT THIS, UM, DISCUSSION I, I BELIEVE WAS BORN OUT OF OUR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SAFETY AND SPEED.
UM, IF PEOPLE GO BACK IN THE VIDEOS IN THE FALL, WE HAD A, UH, A CITIZEN COME AND, AND REALLY DID A, YOU KNOW, TOOK SOME TIME AND REALLY TALKED TO US ABOUT OVER ON LAKE CRIES ROAD AND TALKING ABOUT SIDEWALK AND EVEN HAD SOME OF THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION WRITE LETTER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THAT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN GET THE PHONE CALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, ABOUT PEOPLE SPEEDING AROUND THE SCHOOLS.
SO, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE REALIZE THIS WASN'T
IT WAS REALLY JUST TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT IS A CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD WE POSSIBLY DO IT WITHOUT INCREASING OUR MANPOWER? SKIP AND, AND, AND WAYNE ARE RIGHT.
IF WE COULD JUST ADD EXTRA STAFF THAT MAYBE WOULD ADDRESS THIS, BUT AS YOU SAID BEFORE TOO, AS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO STOP EVEN ONE PERSON TO GIVE A TICKET THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD 15 SO MANY MINUTES.
UM, AND SO THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
AND I DID WANNA SAY TOO, LIKE SROS, THERE ARE SR, THERE ARE SOMETIMES SROS, UM, ON SITE AT OUR SCHOOLS, BUT, OR AT LEAST MY EXPERIENCE IS THEY'RE GENERALLY AT LIKE THE DROP OFF ZONE.
THEY'RE NOT, I MEAN, PEOPLE, I'VE HEARD OTHER PEOPLE SAY THAT, WELL, YOU, YOU KNOW, THE SROS ARE THERE, BUT THE SROS AREN'T THERE TO WRITE SPEEDING TICKETS.
UM, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEIR, UH, PURPOSE IS.
UM, SO I MEAN, WHO KNOWS? MAYBE THAT'S AS, AS COUNCILMAN ROGERS SAID, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE IS WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, TAG TEAMING, TAG TEAMING AND GETTING SOME PEOPLE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE, THE SPEEDING.
YOU KNOW, UM, MAYBE THERE, MAYBE THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT, BUT RIGHT.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA OFFER ANYTHING OR QUESTIONS? I KNOW, I KNOW WE'LL TAKE IT BACK TO WORK SESSION, BUT THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO, TO HEAR NOW.
MY COMMENTS ARE GOING TO BE, I'M GETTING TEXT MESSAGES ABOUT OUR VOTING ON THIS.
THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO TAKE THIS BACK TO A WORK SESSION FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
AND THAT IS THE MOTION THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AT THIS POINT.
UM, WITH THAT, I WILL ADD, APPARENTLY THE STUDY WAS COMPLETED.
UM, I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND AND RECOGNIZE THAT IT WAS A FIVE DAY STUDY, BUT APPARENTLY THE FIFTH DAY, WHICH WE ALREADY KNEW THERE WAS NO SCHOOL, WAS APPLE BLOSSOMS. CORRECT.
SO I'M BEING TOLD THAT THE NUMBERS ARE MISS SKEWED GREATLY CUZ THE APPLE BLOSSOM RUSH.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE SITTING IN HERE TONIGHT WHO HAVE SENT SOME PRETTY NASTY EMAILS WITH MISINFORMATION AND THEY'RE SHARING THAT DATA ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND BY WORD OF MOUTH, ERIN MITCHELL FROM THE SCHOOL DEPARTMENT WAS CONTACTED AND ENGAGED AND EVEN DISCUSSED SCHOOL BUS STOP ARM CAMERAS.
I JUST WANNA ADD THAT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN GETTING REALLY NASTY WRITINGS ASKING WHY WE DIDN'T ENGAGE THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THAT WE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN A COURTESY.
AND WHY DID, WHY IS THE MONEY GONNA COME TO THE TOWN AND WHY DID THE COMPLAINTS COME TO THE TOWN? WHICH IT JUST BAFFLED ME TO THINK THAT SOMEBODY WOULD FILE A POLICING COMPLAINT TO THE SCHOOL.
KAYLA, AS YOU KNOW, I WAS RAISED BY POLICE OFFICERS.
MY MOM'S STILL A DEPUTY AS WELL AS MY STEPDAD.
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UM, AND IT JUST, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S CONCERN AROUND THE TECHNOLOGY ASPECT OF IT, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS AND YOU SEE THAT AS ROADS HAD 7,905 OF THE TRAVELERS, 68% OF THEM WERE GOING OVER THE SPEED LIMIT, UH, OVER 2,200, AS I SAID EARLIER, WE'RE GOING MORE THAN 21 MILES PER HOUR OVER.
AND THE IDEA BEHIND THIS PROGRAM ISN'T THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAKE TONS OF MONEY WITH COUNTY THAT JUST WENT LIVE.
I DON'T KNOW, I HAVE THE DATE IN HERE SOMEWHERE.
WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND PUBLISH ALL THIS AGAIN FOR THE PRESENT PUBLIC.
BUT WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF GOING LIVE, THEY HAD A 94% DECREASE IN THEIR SPEEDING.
I WISH WE COULD MAKE THESE PEOPLE CROSSING GUARDS LIKE THOUGH A CAPE ONE, I'M GONNA MAKE 'EM STAND OUT THERE AND DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE FOR BREAKING THE LAW.
I MORE SO WISH WE COULD CHARGE 'EM WITH RECKLESS DRIVING LIKE THEY DESERVE.
UM, BUT, UH, LASTLY, WANNA ADD FOR THOSE WHO FAILED TO WATCH THE WORK SESSION YET SENT OUT NASTY EMAILS AND CORRESPONDENCES, THAT WHAT THE COMPANY DOES IS THEY PROVIDE A 30 DAY PUBLIC INFORMATION PERIOD AFTER THAT THEY PROVIDE A 30 DAY WARNING PERIOD FROM THE CAMERA RADAR WHERE THEY SEND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE VIOLATING THIS A WARNING AND THEN IT GOES LIVE AFTER 60 DAYS.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S ALL THE MAIN THINGS I WANTED TO ADD.
THE LAST POINT I'LL ADD FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE SITTING IN THIS ROOM AND WATCHING ON THE CAMERA RIGHT NOW THAT ARE SENDING ME MESSAGES, STILL THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT CHOSE THE LOCATIONS.
BLUE WINE DIDN'T COME IN AND CHOOSE THE HIGHEST TRAFFICKED, LARGEST MONEY MAKING LOCATIONS.
CUZ THAT'S ONE OF THE MESSAGES THAT WE'RE RECEIVING.
THEY WANTED TO COME IN AND FIND THE MOST PROFITABLE AREA IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
AND IT'S FUNNY THAT THAT WAS MENTIONED BECAUSE AT OUR FIRST WORK SESSION, COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT SUGGESTED THAT WE ADD 'EM IN OTHER AREAS LIKE AT ST.
JOHN'S WHERE THEY'VE HAD ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC CROSSING THERE.
AND I GUESS THEY HAVE THEIR OWN CROSSING GUARD THERE ON SUNDAYS OR SOMETHING NOW.
AND WE ALL KIND OF LAUGHED AND WE WERE LIKE, NO, WE HAVE TO GET ALL THE SCHOOLS COVERED FIRST.
AND LORI SAID, WELL, SIGN ME UP FOR ONE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WOULD BE TOTALLY OPPOSED TO THIS IF IT WAS A SPEED TRAP LIKE 4 95.
THERE'S NO COMPARISON, IT'S IN THE SCHOOL ZONES.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND CLEAR UP A LOT OF MISCONCEPTIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST RUNNING RAMPANT WITH.
WE'RE LIKE BRIDGEWATER, THEY DID THAT 92% I THINK IN, IN THE FIRST 60 DAYS BEFORE THEY STARTED WRITING THE TICKETS.
SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
UM, YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, ADD A FEW COMMENTS HERE.
WE HAVE BEEN GETTING SOME EMAILS HERE AND A LOT OF THESE EMAILS OF COURSE, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE STATING, UH, YOU KNOW, BEEN STATING WHAT PEOP FOLKS ARE FEELINGS, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THESE SPEED CAMERAS ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME, SOME STATISTICS, YOU KNOW, THAT I'VE, THAT I'VE PULLED FROM THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRANSPORTATION TRAFFIC, NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION, IS THAT, UH, THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTRY ABOUT 25,000 CHILDREN PER YEAR ARE INJURED.
AND OUT OF THOSE 25,000, ABOUT A HUNDRED ARE KILLED EVERY YEAR.
NOW, UM, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU ASK? LIKE, WELL, HOW MANY OF THOSE ACCIDENTS, WHAT, WHAT JUSTIFIES WHY WOULDN'T ONE BE ENOUGH? YOU KNOW? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME OTHER RANDOM STATISTICS HERE THAT MAY BE SURPRISING TO SOME.
UM, WEDNESDAYS SEEM TO ME THE MOST COMMON TIME FOR THESE ACCIDENTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK.
ANOTHER STATISTIC THAT'S GONNA BE VERY SURPRISING TO A LOT OF FOLKS, NOT SURPRISING TO ME AS A PILOT, AND I'M SAYING THIS AS A TANGENT, AS A PILOT, BECAUSE A LOT OF AIR, UH, ACCIDENTS ARE WITH GOOD WEATHER, GOOD, YOU KNOW, UH, GOOD LIGHTING.
IT'S NOT WHEN IT'S POURING DOWN THE RAIN, IT'S NOT WHEN LOW VISIBILITY, IT'S, IT'S PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HAVING REALLY NO EXCUSE FOR ANY ENVIRONMENTAL FACTOR AROUND THEM, UH, TO, TO BE SPEEDING OR, OR, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, OR, OR, UM, UM, HAVING HER ATTENTION BEING TAKEN AWAY.
UH, AND THEN ALSO TOO, I JUST WANT TO ADD ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE TECHNOLOGY HERE BEING USED.
THIS IS LIDAR, SAME, SAME TE YOU KNOW, CHIEFS HAS ALREADY MENTIONED THIS SEVERAL TIMES.
SAME TECHNOLOGY USED, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST AS A PATROL OFFICER AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, WITH A CAREER THAT INVOLVES INSTALLING CAMERAS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, TOMORROW MORNING I'M GONNA BE AT BWI AIRPORT INSTALLING CAMERAS UP THERE TO PROTECT, UH, PROPERTY AND PEOPLE UP THERE AND HAVING EXPERIENCE WITH CAMERAS.
THE MAJORITY OF THE ISSUE WITH THESE CAMERAS, IT'S NOT THE CAMERAS THEMSELVES.
I BET A LOT OF THESE COMPLAINTS, A LOT OF FOLKS MAY NOT HAVE LOOKED INTO 'EM ANY DEPTH, BUT IT'S HUMAN FACTOR.
I SEE A LOT, I MEAN, A LOT FOLKS COMPLAIN ABOUT CAMERAS, YOU KNOW, HEY, THIS CAMERA
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RECORDED THIS, BUT CHANCES ARE, IT'S, IT'S USER ERROR AND YOU'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO TAKE THE HUMAN, UH, FACTOR OUT OF IT.IT'LL, IT'LL ALWAYS BE THERE, THERE ALWAYS WILL BE HUMAN ERROR.
AND THAT'S BROUGHT A FAIR QUESTION UP, BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS BROUGHT TO ME IS LIKE, WELL, WHAT IF BLATANTLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF THE THERE EVERYTHING, ALL THE FAIL SAFES COME THROUGH, YOU KNOW, UH, FALL THROUGH? AND WHAT IF SOMEBODY INNOCENTLY GETS, GETS A TICKET? AND WHEN, AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAPPEN.
I MEAN, STATISTICALLY IT, AGAIN, THERE'S ALWAYS A HUMAN BEHIND IT.
YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, IT WAS A FAIR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, IF I HAD TO GO TO COURT AND IF I KNEW FOR A FACT THAT I INNOCENTLY THAT I GOT THIS TICKET WRONGLY, IF I WAS NOT SPEEDING THE TIME WOULD, TIMING WOULD BE OFF OR WHATEVER.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT'S A HUMAN FACTOR, RIGHT? THAT HAS TO BE TOLD TO THE SYSTEM.
UM, IF I WENT TO COURT, OKAY, I'M LIKE, OKAY, I'M PROVING MYSELF TO BE INNOCENT IN A WAY.
AND IT'S FOUND OUT THAT, OKAY, YEAH, THIS PERSON WAS INNOCENT AND, AND WHAT ABOUT THE COURT COST? OKAY, WHAT, AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR GEORGE THAT I'M ALLUDING TO.
WOULD I BE JUSTIFIED IN SAYING, HEY, IF I'M PROVEN INNOCENT TO THIS, CAN I HAVE MY COURT COSTS WAIVED? YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO ASK FOR THEM TO BE WAIVED.
THERE WOULDN'T, IT WOULD JUST BE WAD BY DEFAULT, RIGHT? THERE, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY.
AND GARY, I KNOW ALREADY I HAD THAT ANSWER ALREADY, BUT I WANTED TO HEAR THAT, I WANTED TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT.
SO THAT'S, I WANTED TO LET FOLKS KNOW, CUZ I'M A CONSTITUTIONALIST AS WELL.
I MEAN, LIKE COUNCILMAN WILMORE SAID THE SAME THING.
I MEAN, AT FIRST, UH, I DON'T LIKE THESE IN, I MEAN, IF, IF WE WERE BEING PUTTING, IF WE'RE GONNA PUT THESE UP AROUND TOWN, I WOULD BE TOTALLY AGAINST IT.
UM, AND I DO, YOU KNOW, I I, I UNDERSTAND IT AT FACE, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT YOU'RE GAR GUILTY UNTIL A ENT INCIDENT.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT AS PROCEDURAL SENSE, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU GET A TICKET FROM AN OFFICER.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA ARGUE IT JUSTIFIABLY DO SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND, AND DO SO, SO YEAH, I MEAN, AT, AT FACE, I, I, I DID QUESTION THAT WITH MAHAS, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT IS, IT DOES PRESENT ITSELF THAT WAY.
BUT, UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AND I WILL SAY THIS ACROSS THE BOARD FROM ALL THESE EMAILS THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING ABOUT A CASH COW OR GENERATING REVENUE, IF FOLKS, IF, IF PEOPLE THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE 20 OR MAKE, MAKE MONEY OFF THESE TICKETS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER REVENUE GENERATORS OUT THERE THAT ARE GONNA DO US BETTER BESIDES THIS.
I MEAN, THIS IS JUST GONNA BE A DROP IN THE BUCKET.
SO, SO THAT IS DEFINITELY, AND, AND I THINK WE ALL HAVE THE CONSENSUS ON THAT, THAT THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT, UH, A REVENUE GENERATING SOURCE, YOU KNOW, IN THAT SENSE.
SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
I'M ASSUMING, I'M SORRY YOU, I DIDN'T MEAN FOR YOU TO BE LAST AGAIN.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BEING LAST.
JUST NICE START, FINISH LAST, RIGHT? YEAH, EXACTLY.
UM, YEAH, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I, I, I GUESS I HAVE TO, UH, DEFEND THE, THE CROSSWALK AT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
UH, THEY DO HAVE CLASSES AT ST.
PARISH AND THERE IS A CROSSING GUARD THERE.
AND, UH, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ACCELERATE DOWN THE HILL.
AND, UH, UH, SO THAT'S WHY MY COMMENT WAS THAT MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE BEING, THEY'RE KIDS TOO, AND THEY'RE BEING EDUCATED.
SO, UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, UH, MY QUESTION FOR, FOR YOU, UH, CHIEF, IS, UH, WHAT ABOUT A SUMMER SCHOOL? UH, HOW WILL THIS WORK WITH SUMMER SCHOOL? HOW WILL THIS WORK WITH, UH, EARLY SCHOOL CLOSURES, ABNORMAL DISRUPTIONS? HOW, HOW WILL THAT THIS ALL BE COMMUNICATED BACK TO BLUE LINE OR BBLS AND, AND THE
UM, SO IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF WE KNOW WE HAVE TEACHER WORK DAYS OR IF WE KNOW WE'VE GOT SCHEDULED HOLIDAYS, UM, THOSE CAN BE PROGRAMMED IN SO THAT THE CAMERAS ARE NOT FUNCTIONING DURING THOSE TIMEFRAMES.
SAME THING FOR LIKE AN EARLY RELEASE.
IF YOU WEATHER GETS BAD OR IF WE HAVE A TWO HOUR DELAY OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE MM-HMM.
AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THEY SLIP BY, THAT OFFICER STILL HAS TO VET THOSE TICKETS.
SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, IF THERE WAS A MALFUNCTION IN GETTING THE CAMERAS TURNED OFF, THEN THE OFFICERS VETTING THE TICKETS WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO AVOID THOSE, THOSE CITATIONS OUT BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE KNOW THERE'S A TWO HOUR DELAY.
BUT THEY WILL BE, THEY WILL BE ACTIVE DURING SUMMER
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SCHOOL.THEY CAN, THEY CAN BE ACTIVE FOR WHATEVER SCHOOL.
I MEAN, IF, IF THE SCHOOL DECIDED THAT, AND THE COUNCIL DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED THEM ACTIVE DURING, I SEE HOMECOMING FOOTBALL GAME OR MM-HMM.
UH, ANYTIME THERE WOULD NEED, THERE WOULD BE A NEED FOR, UH, SPECIAL WARNING TO MOTORISTS, I BELIEVE IS HOW THE CODE READS.
RIGHT, GEORGE? SO, SHOOT, YOU CAN'T DO WHEN THERE'S A FOOTBALL GAME, HOMECOMING, RIGHT.
SO YEAH, TYPICALLY, YEAH, TYPICALLY YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T HIT 25 MILES AN HOUR DURING A FOOTBALL GAME.
BRUCE, THAT IS THE SUMMER SCHOOL QUESTION THOUGH.
LIKE, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT.
SO THAT'S NOT EVEN A PLACE WHERE THERE'S A CAMERA.
WOULDN'T BE A SITUATION ANYWAY, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I I I FEEL LIKE THAT, I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD, WE'D HAVE TO JUST SEE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FOUR.
UM, BUT, BUT THAT IS A QUESTION.
AND YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE, THE FOOTBALL GAMES, LIKE ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT I RECEIVED AND SHARED WITH ALL OF COUNSEL WAS A CITIZEN ON WESTMINSTER WHO TALKED ABOUT AFTER A SPORTING EVENT, EVERYBODY FLYING OUT OF THERE AND AN ANIMAL THAT WAS HIT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, SPEED WAS AN ISSUE.
SO SURE, AGAIN, AS I SAY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PEOPLE DON'T HEAR THOSE SPEED COMPLAINTS, BUT WE HEAR THOSE SPEED COMPLAINTS.
AND HONESTLY, IF YOU GET ON SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU HEAR THIS, YOU READ ABOUT THE SPEED COMPLAINTS.
BUT ANYWAY, I'M SORRY, I HEAR A LOT OF THEM WHERE I JUST WANTED TO CON CONFIRM, CONFIRM NO APOLOGY THAT THE SUMMER SCHOOL WAS A GOOD QUESTION,
AND YOU, AND YOU GUYS HAVE A PIECE OF THAT.
I MEAN, I WOULD, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO HAVE THE, THE CAMERAS ACTIVATED DURING TIMES WHERE THE, WHERE THE SCHOOL ZONES ARE ACTIVATED AND IN, IN EFFECT.
BUT IF YOU ELECTED NOT TO TURN 'EM ON DURING SUMMER SCHOOL, IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO, THAT'S, YOU HAVE THAT AUTHORITY BECAUSE THEY DON'T FLASH NOW DURING THE SUMMER SCHOOL ZONE.
THE, THEY DON'T, IT DOESN'T FLASH NOW DURING SUMMER.
THEY DO NOT OPERATE OVER THE SUMMER.
CAUSE I WALK ON LEACH RUN AND NOTHING'S FLASHING DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS.
MAYOR, YOU BRING UP MAYOR LEACH LEACH RUN MAYOR, MADAM MAYOR.
I, I CAN ADDRESS, UH, WHEN THE SCHOOL ZONE WOULD BE ACTIVE.
UM, BY DEFINITION, SCHOOL CROSSING ZONE MEANS AN AREA LOCATED WITHIN THE VICINITY OF A SCHOOL AT OR NEAR A HIGHWAY WHERE THE PRESENCE OF CHILDREN ON SUCH SCHOOL PROPERTY OR GOING TO AND FROM SCHOOL REASONABLY REQUIRES A SPECIAL WARNING TO MOTORISTS.
SO COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT, I BELIEVE YOU HAD OTHER COMMENTS.
UH, JUST A, JUST A COUPLE, UH, UH, I APPRECIATE, UH, COUNCIL AND, UH, MOORE SPRINGING UP THE 30 DAY GRACE, UH, PERIOD.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY SHOULD, PEOPLE SHOULD, UH, BE ABLE TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PUBLIC.
IT'S 30, WELL, 60, IT'S 30 AM WELL TOTAL, 60 TOTAL.
UM, YEAH, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I HAD, BLS HAS LIKE A, UH, 2020 LINE HIT LIST OF, UH, THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
THE MIN THE AGENCY, THE MUNICIPALITY.
MY, MY QUESTION IS, UH, YOU KNOW, STAFF WISE ARE, ARE, DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE THE STAFF TO COVER WHAT THEY NEED, UH, IN REPORTING AND THAT TYPE OF THING? SO, SO, SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD JUST ASSIGN AN OFFICER, IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE THE SAME ONE ALL THE TIME, BUT WE WOULD ASSIGN THAT DUTY TO AN OFFICER EACH DAY TO JUST VET THOSE CITATIONS THAT COME IN, UM, BEFORE THEY GO BACK TO BE PROCESSED AND SENT OUT.
UM, AND THEN IT'S A CIVIL PENALTY.
SO WE WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY IN COURT UNLESS THERE WAS AN APPEAL.
AND AT THAT TIME, I, I WOULD ASSUME THE OFF WHAT HAPPENS AT THAT POINT IS BLUE LINE PUTS TOGETHER THAT APPEAL PACKAGE, WHICH IS THE VIOLATION ITSELF, THE, THE, UH, FORM THAT THE PERSON TO DENOTE THEIR APPEAL.
IT, UH, PROVIDES EXTRA ADDITIONAL CAMERA FOOTAGE, UH, AS WELL AS THAT FLASH INDICATOR MODULE SO THAT WE CAN VERIFY THAT THE FLASH FLASHERS WERE IN FACT ENGAGED AT THE TIME.
UH, IT ALSO, UH, CONTAINS THE, THE CALIBRATION DATA SO THAT, UH, THE, THE SPEED MEASUREMENT DEVICE CAN BE VALIDATED WITHIN COURT, AND THEN THE OFFICER THAT VETTED IT WOULD BE THE ONE WHO WOULD BE, UH, SHOWING UP IN COURT.
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THAT WAS A QUESTION WE HAD WHO WOULD BE SHOWING UP IN COURT.THE OFFICER THAT VETTED IT WOULD BE, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT, DO YOU KNOW IF FOR AN APPEAL BLUE LINE HAS TO MAKE AN APPEARANCE OR FOR AN APPEAL? IS IT THE OFFICER WHO VETTED IT AS WELL? NO, NOT TYPICALLY.
IT'S THE OFFICER THAT WOULD BE, OKAY.
THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION WE RECEIVED.
I'M SITTING HERE BATTLING A MIGRAINE, TRYING TO THINK WE'VE, FOR SIX DAYS IT'S BEEN NONSTOP QUESTIONS.
THEY HAVE A COURT LIAISON THAT PUTS THE PACKAGE TOGETHER AND WOULD SEND IT TO THE COURT.
I MEAN, TAKE YOUR TIME, BRUCE.
WELL THAT'S, AND, AND BLUE LINE, BRUCE, ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN I WAS DIGGING, I, I WAS DIGGING THROUGH THE CONTRACT TOO.
IT SAID THAT BLUE LINE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO TRAIN, UH, THE MANU MUNICIPALITY STAFF.
SO, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING I ASKED CHIEF EARLIER TODAY MM-HMM.
AND IT WOULD ALWAYS BE AN OFFICER THAT'S, THAT'S TRAINED IN SPEED MEASUREMENT.
I MEAN, AND, AND CURRENT IN IT.
IT WOULDN'T BE SOMEBODY THAT I'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, IN INVESTIGATIONS FOR 10 YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO ACCORDING TO THE STATUTE, ONLY A CERTIFIED OFFICER CAN CERTIFY A VIOLATION TO THE COURT.
THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION, BRUCE.
YEAH, I WAS JUST, I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE, THIS GUY COULD POSSIBLY BE REALLY BUSY
WE ARE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO DETER THEM.
I'M HOPING THE CURVE'S GONNA BE LIKE THIS.
AND THEN YEAH, WE'RE HOPING TO UPSIDE DOWN BANKRUPT BLUE LINES.
HOPEFULLY THE PROGRAM'S SUCCESSFUL.
I HEARD THAT BRUCE, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, ONE OTHER THING.
AND UH, I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO IT EARLIER AND I JUST WANTED CLEAR IT IN MY MIND.
UH, I LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF 300,000 AND, AND SO WE PAY BACK 25, THEY KEEP $25.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT MEANS THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO, I MEAN, TO HIT THE 300,000, THERE HAS TO BE 12,000, UH, VIOLATIONS OVER A TWO YEAR PERIOD.
NOW WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE TWO YEAR PERIOD ALL IS FORGIVEN.
IS THAT, SO AFTER TWO YEARS, WE ARE, WE ARE NO LONGER BEHOLDEN TO ANY, ANY, ANY OF THAT RECOUP RECOUPABLE, UH, OKAY.
INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDAGE THAT THERE, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU SAID.
WE'RE ONLY, WE'RE ONLY ON THE HOOK ESSENTIALLY FOR TWO YEARS.
UH, AFTER THAT WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING.
THE ARRANGEMENT REMAINS THE SAME.
THEY COLLECT THE $25 PROCESSING FEE FOR RIGHT.
FOR EACH CITATION THAT'S ISSUED AND THE TOWN CONTINUES TO MAINTAIN 75.
AND, UH, AND IF WE WANT TO EXIT, WE HAVE TO GIVE LIKE A 30 DAY WINDOW NOTICE.
WELL, WE, IT WAS HAD DOUBLE, DOUBLE CHECK.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S AGAIN, THAT'S JUST THE INITIAL FOUR SCHOOLS THAT WE HAVE NOW, SO.
I THINK THAT COVERED IT FOR ME.
I DO WANNA SAY TO COUNCIL THAT, UM, I KNOW WE'RE GETTING READY TO VOTE ON THAT MOTION, UH, IF THAT MOTION IS SUCCESSFUL TO TAKE IT TO, UH, BACK TO A WORK SESSION.
I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE EXHAUSTED QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS TONIGHT.
I THINK WE'VE ALL TRIED TO TAKE EVERY QUESTION THAT PEOPLE HAVE THROWN AT US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTOOD.
HOWEVER, I WOULD SAY THAT IF COUNCIL, UH, HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS THEMSELVES OR IF CITIZENS REACH OUT TO YOU WITH OTHER QUESTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN START SENDING THEM TO STAFF TO, TO GET THOSE ANSWERS SO THAT IF WE DO END UP, IF THE MOTION'S SUCCESSFUL TO GO BACK TO THE WORK SESSION WHEN WE GET TO THE WORK SESSION, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO REHASH ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS AGAIN.
UM, IN FACT, WE COULD PROBABLY PUT ALL THESE ON LIKE A LITTLE FYI.
UM, WHICH I THINK WE HAVE TYPED, I HAVE A LOT OF IT TYPED ALREADY.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TWEAKING IT.
BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO TO TO, UH, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OUT OF THE WAY, CUZ MOST IMPORTANTLY, I WANT THE PUBLIC TO FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE HAVE ANSWERS TO THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WANT THEM TO, WE WANT THEM TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE AREN'T JUST RUBBER STAMPS.
SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE QUESTIONS.
WE, WE HAD QUESTIONS, WE'VE GOTTEN 'EM ANSWERED RESPECTFULLY.
SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MM-HMM.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE THING THAT
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HAS BEEN VERY CONFLICTUAL, JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU, WE'VE BEEN PUT IN THIS POSITION WHERE WE'VE UM, WANNA BE RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE ALSO WANT PEOPLE TO OBEY THE LAW.UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, GOING BACK ON A MOTION OR GOING BACK ON CONSIDERING SOMETHING WHEN, WHEN IT HAS TO DO WITH BREAKING THE LAW.
AND I MEAN, I SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT INNOCENT HERE.
UM, I MEAN I'VE GOTTEN, HOW MANY POINTS DO YOU HAVE? I'VE GOT ALL MY POINTS RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE WAS A TIME
I DON'T LIKE THE CONCEPT OF BIG BROTHER OR INVASION OF PRIVACY.
NOBODY'S GONNA THINK, OH, OH WOW, SPEED CAMERAS, THAT'S GONNA BE GREAT ON LEACH RUN.
NOBODY THINKS THAT IT'S JUST A, A REALITY THAT THIS IS AGAINST THE LAW WE'RE GONNA TAKE IF WE MOVE FORWARD.
UM, WE WILL ALSO TAKE THE MONEY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL BENEFIT ALSO THE SCHOOLS, UM, BECAUSE IT'LL GIVE SAFE PLACES FOR PEDESTRIANS AND, AND STUDENTS TO WALK.
SO THAT, I THINK THAT WE COULD ALSO MAYBE WHEN WE, UM, DO OUR WORK SESSION AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, UM, BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE THE MONEY AND ALSO, UM, ALLAY A LOT, A LOT OF THOSE FEARS ABOUT BEING STUCK IN A CONTRACT WHERE WE MIGHT END UP HAVING MORE MONEY MM-HMM.
SO ANYWAY, AND THE, THE WAY THAT WE DISPERSE OF THE MONEY WAS MENTIONED IN THE SUMMARY FOR TONIGHT'S READING OF THE INITIAL MOTION.
BUT IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU MENTIONED BIG BROTHER AND CAMERA STARING DOWN AT YOU CUZ EVERYBODY THAT'S WATCHING THIS OR HERE, TONIGHT'S TARGETED ADS ON THEIR IPADS, PHONES AND COMPUTERS ARE GONNA BE CAMERAS TOMORROW.
ALL RIGHT, MR. PRESLEY, I THINK WE'RE READY TO VOTE ON THE MOTION.
THAT WAS HOW ABOUT THANK, THANK YOU CHAIR.
UM, AND THANKS FOR, UH, TALKING ME OFF THE LEDGE EARLIER TODAY TOO.
UM, UH, MS. PRESLEY, CAN YOU READ THE MOTION THAT EVERYBODY'S VOTING ON YES TO? AND MAY I JUMP IN? UH, YES.
JUST TO SAY THAT I THINK IT'S CLEAR, UH, THAT THE AMENDMENT IS INTENDED TO BE A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE MAIN MOTION.
I, I I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HAVE TWO VOTES HERE.
I THINK COUNCIL'S THE INTENT OF VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT.
AMENDMENT IS, IS THE INTENT'S CLEAR IF IT OKAY.
MR. PRESLEY, CAN YOU READ THE AMENDED MOTION FOR CLARITY? YES.
AMENDED THE MOTION TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO A WORK SESSION AND POSSIBLY A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO NOW NO, NOW WE'RE READY TO VOTE.
THE ONLY DO YOU HAVE A DATE? UM, I, OR DO YOU WANT I WOULD PREFER THAT WE NOT IDENTIFY THAT BECAUSE QUITE HON I'M NOT, I MEAN, WE ARE, WE ARE ONLY HAVING ONE WORK SESSION IN JULY BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAY.
AND IT, IT CAN, AND I THINK WE HAVE INTERVIEWS THAT NIGHT TOO.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, WE MIGHT HAVE A LONG ONE ALREADY ON JULY 10TH.
UH, BUT I'M NOT SAYING WE WON'T.
I JUST DON'T WANNA BE, IF THE MOTION SAYS THAT, THEN IT, IT MEANS WE HAVE TO.
SO, SO CAN WE LEAVE THE MOTION, THE AMEND A MOTION AS IS.
DO, DO YOU WANT DO ROLL CALL? READY FOR A VOTE? YES.
COUNCILWOMAN D DE MONACO PAYNE? YES.
[12. CLOSED MEETING]
IS ITEM NUMBER 12, WHICH IS A CLOSED MEETING.UM, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO'S WILLING TO READ US INTO CLOSED MR. RABBIT BOARD? HOW ABOUT YOU? OH'S? A LONG ONE.
I KNOW AMBER GETS STARTED READING, SO I DO.
COUNCIL, CONVENING A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 AND 2.2 DASH 37 12.
THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE.
PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 A THREE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE ACQUISITION OF REAL PROPERTY FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE OF, OR OF THE DISPOSITION OF PUBLICLY HELD REAL PROPERTY, WHERE DISCUSSION IN AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE PO PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE K SPRINGS AND TWO, PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 37 11
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A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION AND SALARIES, DISCIPLINING OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY.MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE TOWN ATTORNEY AND THE TOWN MANAGER.
COUNCILWOMAN D DAMCO PAYNE? YES.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING INTO CLOTHES AND IN CASE ANYBODY WAS ASKING, THERE WON'T BE ANY, THERE WON'T BE ANY ACTION COMING OUTTA CLOTHES, SO NO NEED TO HANG OUT.
DWAYNE MIGHT NOT BE MY BELIEVE.