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[ Town Council Work Session on June 12, 2023.]
RIGHT.SO WELCOME EVERYBODY TONIGHT TO THE FRONT ROW TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, JUNE 12TH.
UM, AND BEFORE WE BEGIN, I BELIEVE COUNCILWOMAN DECO, UH, MOTION? I DO.
UM, I MOVED THAT COUNCIL AT POINT TOWN MANAGER JOSEPH WALTZ AS QUICK PRO TEMPUR FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
UH, FIRST AND SECOND, UM, LET DO A ROLL CALL.
MR. UH, OR VICE MAYOR SKI LOCK.
SO THANK YOU MR. WALTZ FOR STEPPING IN, UM, AND HELPING US OUT THIS EVENING.
SO NOW YOU NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL.
COUNCILWOMAN D DEMONACO PAYNE.
SO TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY START OFF OUR, OUR FIRST ITEM,
I, UM, MR. HUTCHINS, I'M, I'M GETTING A EMAIL FROM THE PRESS SAYING WE'RE NOT A ONE.
YEAH, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT SURE OUR INTERNET HAS BEEN KIND OF SLOW TODAY, SO IT COULD BE THAT.
IF I CONTINUE TO GET EMAIL, UM, HOLD ON.
UM, SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA START OFF WITH OUR FIRST PRESENTATION FOR THIS EVENING.
UM, UH, ITEM TWO A IS THE REVITALATION OF THE FORMER YOUTH CENTER.
UM, AND IT'S BY, UH, SAMANTHA BARBER REACHING OUT NOW.
AND I BELIEVE MS. BARBER ALSO BROUGHT, UM, SOMEONE ELSE WITH HER TO SPEAK AS WELL, RIGHT? YEP.
SO IF YOU GUYS WANT TO, USUALLY WHOEVER'S PRESENTING COMES UP HERE TO THIS, UM, PODIUM AND, UM, AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO HAND OUT AS WELL.
CAN WE COME FORWARD? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
SORRY IF I DIDN'T MAKE THAT CLEAR ENOUGH.
SO YOU, I BELIEVE THIS IS AN UPDATED PROPOSAL FROM WHAT, UM, WE, UM, WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU BEFORE, SO, SURE.
AND YOU CAN, UH, BEGIN WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
MY NAME IS SAMANTHA BARBER AND I AM PRESIDENT OF REACHING OUT.
NOW, IT'S A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT'S, UH, HERE IN THE BEAUTIFUL SHENANDOAH VALLEY.
UM, WITH ME TONIGHT IS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF REACHING OUT.
NOW, CENA MAY, UM, WHO JUST HANDED OUT THE THINGS TO YOU.
AND, UM, MY HUSBAND AND CFO, JOE BARBER, UM, IS HERE WITH US TONIGHT.
UM, SO AS, UH, MAYOR LAURIE SAID THAT WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE, UM, REVITALIZING THE YOUTH CENTER.
AND, UM, WE ARE REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE.
AND WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU IN ADDITION TO THE, UM, THE PROPOSAL THAT'S IN YOUR FOLDER RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT TONIGHT, I KNOW I'M JUST STANDING HERE SOLO, BUT, UM, MANY, MANY HAVE INVESTED IN THIS OVER THE LAST FEW, FEW WEEKS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE WHO WORKED, WHO SUPPORTED, WHO LISTENED, UM, WHO PRAYED, UH, FOR THIS OPEN DOOR.
AND, UM, ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS, UH, COULDN'T BE HERE THIS EVENING AND TRULY BLESSED TO BE ABLE TO READ A LETTER FROM HER, UM, MR. NELL SPERLING.
UM, AND YOU HAVE THAT IN YOUR PROPOSAL AS WELL.
UH, SHE IS THE PRINCIPAL OF SKYLAND HIGH SCHOOL AND GOOD EVENING, WARREN COUNTY TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'M HONORED TO WRITE TO YOU TO, TO, TO YOU IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSAL TO RETURN RAYMOND E ST.
MAYER BUILDING TO A YOUTH CENTER FOR THE EIGHTH TO 12TH GRADER, YOUTH, YOUNG ADULT OF OUR AREA, BELONGING CONNECTION.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE SUFFERED GREATLY IN OUR COMMUNITIES, YOUTH OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS OF COVID DRIVEN, DRIVEN SEPARATION AND THIS AFTERMATH AS DEFINED BY A YOUNG PERSON.
BELONGING IS A PLACE THAT OPEN AND THAT'S OPEN, AND WHERE YOU CAN BE AND WHERE YOU CAN BE KNOWN, EVEN IF IT'S COMPLICATED, EVEN IN THE COMPLICATED TIMES.
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OF THAT CAN BE ON THE TABLE.AND YET YOU'LL LOVE OUR YOUNG PEOPLE ARE LONELY, ISOLATED, AND DETACHED FROM HEALTHY PEER RELATIONSHIPS.
RESEARCH HAVE SHOWN THAT 66% OF 13 TO 25 YEAR OLDS HAVE THREE OR FEWER MEANINGFUL INTERACTIONS ON A TYPICAL DAY.
AND YOU HAVE 10% OF YOU CITE THAT THEY HAVE NO, THEY HAVE HAD NO MEANINGFUL INTERACTION IN A TYPICAL DAY.
THIS IS STAGGERING, BUT THIS IS WHERE OUR COMMUNITY OF CARE AND ADULTS CAN STEP IN.
WE CAN INTENTIONALLY CREATE A SPACE WHERE YOUTH CAN SAFELY GATHER AND BEGIN CONNECTING THROUGH PLAY, THROUGH SOCIALIZATION AND THROUGH PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES.
SHE GOES ON TO SAY, I PERSONALLY, THANKS, SAMANTHA.
BARBARA, I'M THE STAFF AND SUPPORTERS OF REACHING OUT NOW, AS WELL AS OTHER INVESTED COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE SPEARHEADED THIS EFFORT TO FIND WAYS TO RECONNECT YOUNG PEOPLE AND PROVIDE THEM A SPACE TO DO SO.
IN CONCLUSION, I OFFER MY FULL SUPPORT FOR THIS YOUTH CENTER.
OUR COMMUNITIES YOUTH WILL NEED AND DESERVE A, A PLACE TO GET PRINCIPAL, A PLACE TO CALL THEIR OWN A SAFELY AS TO SAFELY CONNECT WITH ONE ANOTHER, AND WE DISCOVER A SENSE OF BELONGING.
YOU ALSO HAVE A LETTER IN YOUR FOLDER FROM ROBERT.
JOHNSTON, WHO IS THE PRINCIPAL OF SKYLINE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
AND IF WE HAVE TIME, I'LL READ THAT, BUT I DON'T WANNA, UM, YOU KNOW, HOLD UP THIS EVENING.
SO TONIGHT, UM, WE ARE HERE TO JUST DISCUSS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, AND TO TELL YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT, NOT MUCH ABOUT REACHING OUT NOW, BECAUSE WE'RE HERE TONIGHT ABOUT THE EV CENTER.
UM, THE MISSION OF REACHING OUT NOW IS TO SUPPORT UNDERSERVED STUDENTS IN OUR SCHOOL COMMUNITY.
WE DO THAT THROUGH A DIFFERENT SERIES OF PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE THAT FOCUSES ON EMPOWERMENT, SERVICE AND LEADERSHIP.
SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THESE PROGRAMS ON YOUR OWN LEADERSHIP, UM, UMBRELLA.
WE HAVE TWO YOUTH, UM, TWO YOUTH PROGRAM.
IT'S CALLED THE YES LEADERSHIP PROGRAM, WHICH MEANS YOUTH EMPOWERED FOR SUCCESS.
AND WHAT IT IS IS THE GIRL OF DESTINY LEADERSHIP PROGRAM.
AND THAT'S FOR GIRLS FROM EIGHTH GRADE TO POST-SECONDARY.
AND WE HAVE THE LOTUS LEADERSHIP VOICE PROGRAM, WHICH IS FOR YOUNG MEN FROM EIGHTH GRADE TO POST-SECONDARY.
AND I'M QUITE HONORED TO SAY THAT, UM, WE'RE DOING OUR SECOND YEAR, BUT LAST YEAR WE PARTNERED WITH CHANO UNIVERSITY, WHERE THE FIRST AND THIRD SATURDAY OF EVERY MONTH WE CONDUCT WORKSHOPS.
AND THOSE WORKSHOPS ARE WITHIN A FRAMEWORK OF COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP, CHARTS OF DEVELOPMENT, ACADEMIC AND FINANCIAL LIT LITERACY AND CAREER, UM, IN CAREER IN COLLEGE READINESS.
CUZ WE KNOW EVERY STUDENT DOESN'T GO TO COLLEGE.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE STUDENTS WHO WANNA GO TO TRADE SCHOOL OR GO TO WORK HAVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.
AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UM, 17 STUDENTS, SORRY, 18 STUDENTS IN THE PROGRAM.
WE ARE REALLY PROUD THAT TWO OF THEM ARE GRADUATING.
UM, HE'S GOING OFF TO SHEO UNIVERSITY TO PLAY BASEBALL AND STUDY ENGINEERING.
AND WE HAVE, UM, ANOTHER YOUNG LADY WHO IS GOING TO WILLIAM AND MARY TO STUDY, UM, INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS.
AND WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF BOTH OF THEM.
NEXT YEAR, P PRAY FOR US BECAUSE WE HAVE EIGHT SENIORS GRADUATING AND EVERY, THE REASON WHY I SEE THAT, BECAUSE WHEN THE STUDENTS GRADUATE, EACH OF THEM GET A $500 SCHOLARSHIP TO WHICHEVER DIRECTION THEY WANT TO GO TO.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE PARTNERED WITH CHANDU UNIVERSITY FOR OUR YES.
LEADERSHIP CONFERENCE IN YOUR PACKET.
WE ARE SO VERY PROUD THAT THIS IS OUR THIRD ONE.
AND IN THERE IS A MAGAZINE CALLED, UH, UM, FOR THE WINCHESTER.
AND IF YOU LOOK IN THE BACK OF IT, WE ARE, UM, HONORED THAT THE OLD THOMAS THE SPEECH WERE REACHING OUT NOW IN, UM, THIS MONTH'S MAGAZINE TO PROMOTE THE CONFERENCE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE AUGUST 16TH AT CHANDU UNIVERSITY.
AND THAT PARTNERSHIP, UM, ENTAILS, UH, REALLY BLESSED THAT DR.
BALLINGER HAVE PARTNERED WITH US.
AND THE REASON WHY I SAY AUGUST 16TH IS BECAUSE THAT IS A SCHOOL DAY, BUT THE LAST TWO YEARS, THE CONFERENCE HAVE BEEN SO AMAZING THAT THE, UM, DR.
BALLINGER IS PARTNERING WITH US THIS YEAR TO SWAP A DAY.
SO INSTEAD OF THE STUDENTS GOING TO SCHOOL, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO, TO GO TO THE CONFERENCE.
AND, UM, UH, THE SUPERINTENDENT OF WINCHESTER CITY PUBLIC SCHOOL HAVE ALSO PARTNERED WITH US AS WELL.
AND HE'S ALLOWING HIS STUDENTS TO DO THE, TO DO THE SAME.
SO REALLY, REALLY, WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
ALSO, UNDER OUR LEADERSHIP PROGRAM, IT'S CALLED, UM, IT'S NAVIUS, IT'S A WORLDWIDE KNOWN, UM, SOFTWARE WHERE OUR STUDENTS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
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TO, UM, DECIDE IN WHAT DIRECTION THEY'RE GOING IN.SO THEY HAVE THESE SERIES OF TESTS.
SO INSTEAD OF US SAYING, HEY, YOU SHOULD GO INTO TRADE, OH, YOU SHOULD GO DO B, YOU KNOW, AIR FLIGHT, KNOW A PILOT, THEY ACTUALLY TAKE THESE SERIES OF TESTS AND THEY, THE RESULTS ACTUALLY TELLS THEM, WOW, THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHY I LOVE TO COOK.
WE HAVE A STUDENT RIGHT NOW WHO'S IN, UM, STRASSBURG HIGH SCHOOL WHO'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A CHEF.
AND HER MOM WAS LIKE, WHY DOES SHE WANT BE A CHEF? AND ALL FOUR TESTS LED TO HER, LIKE, THIS IS TRUE, SHE WANTS TO BE A CHEF.
AND NOW SHE'S INTERNING AT A BAKERY DOWN IN STRAUSBERG.
SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT FOR HER.
SO THAT'S WHAT A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT ABOUT WHAT NAVIAN IS, OUR NEURO SERVICE ASPECT.
WE HAVE THE LINDA CROW FAMILY MEAL PROGRAM.
SOME OF YOU HAVE KNOWN LINDA CROW.
SHE WORKED IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND SHE DIED IN CO OF COVID BACK IN 2021.
AND SHE WAS SUCH A STRONG SUPPORT OF THE ORGANIZATION THAT WE RENAMED THE PROGRAM AFTER, AFTER LINDA.
AND FOR THREE YEARS, FROM MARCH, 2020 TO, UM, JULY, 2022, WE SERVED OVER 75,000 HOT MEALS TO OUR FAMILIES IN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL.
UM, OUR COMMUNITY CAME ALONGSIDE US, AND WE WERE ABLE TO PARTNER AGAIN WITH THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.
SO DEVIN AND HIS STUDENTS, UM, FROM THE CULINARY ARTS DEPARTMENT FOR WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL, ACTUALLY PREPARED AND FIXED THESE MEALS THREE TIMES A WEEK.
WE HAD 45 VOLUNTEERS WHO CAME OUT, UM, 700 PLUS MILES A WEEK FOR, FOR THREE DAYS.
AND THEY DELIVERED MEALS, MEALS, HOT MEALS TO OUR FAMILIES, WHICH WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
LAST YEAR, LAST SCHOOL YEAR, WE MET WITH DR.
BALLINGER AND REALIZED THAT, AGAIN, ISOLATION.
SO INSTEAD OF DELIVERING MEALS, WE PARTNERED WITH HIM THROUGH HIS FAMILY ENGAGEMENT, UM, ASPECT.
AND WE PARTNERED WITH THE SCHOOLS AND WE THEN BEGAN HAVING FAMILY NIGHT.
SO ONCE A MONTH, WE HAD BINGO NIGHT, WE HAD, UM, DIFFERENT THEMES.
UH, WE RECOGNIZED THE STUDENTS, UM, WHO, UH, HAD GREAT ACTIVITIES, GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENTS DURING SPORTS, AND WE BEGIN TO HAVE DIFFERENT MEALS AT WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL, SKYLINE MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND, UM, SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL AS WELL.
AND, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT NEXT SCHOOL YEAR.
SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
UM, WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT TEACHERS, SO WE HAVE DONUTS DAY, WE BEG STARBUCKS, UH, WE PARTNER WITH, UM, STRIDE RIGHTS DONUTS HOUSE, AND, UM, AND DEVON AND THE STUDENTS.
AND WE FIX MEALS OR JUST DROP OFF DONUTS FROM TEACHERS, WHETHER IT'S DOING SOL TIME FOR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY OR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
AND, UM, EVERY YEAR AS WELL, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S CALLED HOLIDAY SHARE AND GIVING.
AND WE RAISE MONEY, UH, TO GIVE DIRECTLY BACK INTO THE SCHOOLS, UM, TO HELP FAMILIES, UH, HELP THE SCHOOL SYSTEM PRINCIPALS PURCHASE GIFTS FOR S FOR UNDER PARENTS AND FAMILIES, WERE UNDERSERVED.
AND FINALLY, WE HAVE OUR EMPOWERMENT PIECE, AND THAT'S CALLED, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? OH, YEAH, I'M SORRY.
I THINK IT'S STARTING TO QUIET DOWN.
THAT'S, UM, THAT'S PART OF THAT IS CALLED SAFE AT HOME.
AND WE JUST HAD THAT, UM, THAT LAST WEEK, UH, TWO WEEKEND, UH, TWO WEEKENDS AGO.
AND, UM, AGAIN, EVERYTHING WE DO FOCUS IN OUR FOCUSES ON OUR STUDENTS.
UM, THIS YEAR WILL BE, UM, ABOUT A, A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, AT LEAST A YEAR AND ONE MONTH, WE LOST ONE OF OUR STUDENTS, HARLEY AND HIRE, AND WE CREATED THE HARLEY AND HIRE SCHOLARSHIP.
AND SAFE AT HOME IS REMEMBERING THE LEGACY OF HARLEY AND NATHAN JENKINS.
AND WE'RE JUST SO HONORED AND SO PROUD THAT, UH, TWO SATURDAYS AGO WE HAD OVER 300 OF OUR COMMUNITY RE RESIDENTS COME OUT FOR BASEBALL.
BASEBALL MAMA, YOU KNOW, AND SO IS OUR TOWN.
SO WE HAD THE LITTLE LEAGUE PLAYERS, WE HAD WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL, STALIN HIGH SCHOOL, AND WE HAD THE ALUMS. THAT WAS THE FUN GAME,
UM, WE HAD THE 40 SOMETHING YEAR OLDS AND THE 18 YEAR OLDS, UM, CAME OUT AND WE HAD THREE DIFFERENT GAMES, AND IT WAS AMAZING.
AND WE RAISED, UM, OVER $4,000 AT THAT, AT THAT EVENT.
AND WE'RE SO PLEASED THAT ONCE AGAIN THIS YEAR, BECAUSE LAST YEAR, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID, WE LITERALLY HAD KIDS IN OUR SCHOOL, NAMELY SKY HIGH SCHOOL, AND PARENTS TOLD 'EM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO BUY GRADUATION GOWNS FOR YOU.
AND THE COUNSELORS REACHED OUT TO US AND WE WROTE A CHECK FOR $500 SO ALL KIDS CAN WALK ACROSS THE STAGE.
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UM, THIS PAST, THIS PAST GRADUATION, AND THAT'S WHERE THIS MONEY GOES TO.IT GOES TO SUPPORT OUR STUDENTS.
IT GOES TO HELP THEM PAY FOR DE CLASSES, AND IT ALSO GOES TO SUPPORT TWO SOFTBALL PLAYERS AND TWO BASEBALL PLAYERS AT BOTH OUR HIGH SCHOOLS WITH $500 IF THEY CHOOSE TO GO TO COLLEGE OR, UM, TRADE SCHOOL.
THIS UPCOMING SCHOOL YEAR, SENIOR PLANNING NIGHT, AGAIN, ALL THIS WILL BE IN, IN ALL ENCOMPASSING, UM, EVERY YEAR WE INVITE, WOW.
UM, LAST YEAR I THINK WE HAD 10 COLLEGES.
UM, WE HAD
AND THESE INDIVIDUALS COME OUT AND THEY SPEAK TO OUR STUDENTS ABOUT NEXT STEP, DO YOU WANNA GO INTO THE MILITARY? WE HAD ALL THE MILITARY BRANCHES THERE.
AND THIS YEAR, UM, WE'RE EMBARKING ON PLANNING THAT AGAIN, AND IT'S GOING TO BE OCTOBER 9TH AT THE DOUBLETREE ONCE AGAIN.
AND LAST YEAR WE HAD ABOUT ALMOST 175 OUR COMMUNITY, UM, THROUGHOUT THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY ATTEND THIS EVENT.
AND, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT COLLEGES ARE SO EXCITED TO, TO COME OUT AND HAVE THAT ONE-ON-ONE INTERACTION WITH OUR KIDS.
SO IN A NUTSHELL, THOSE ARE THE PROGRAMS THAT REACHING OUT NOW OFFERS.
UM, IN ORDER FOR US TO DO THAT, WE'VE, WE ARE VERY MUCH ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
WE'RE VERY MUCH ABOUT PARTNERSHIP BECAUSE WE KNOW OUR STUDENTS ARE DESERVING OF SEEING US AS A WHOLE, NOT JUST AS ONE ENTITY.
SO WE'RE JUST SO PROUD TO HAVE, UM, PARTNERS SUCH AS THE WARREN COALITION, SHANDO UNIVERSITY, UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE OUR MAIN SUPPORT OF WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
UH, ROTARY CLUB OF WARREN COUNTY ROTARY CLUB OF FRONT ROYAL, UM, THE ELKS TEACHER.
UM, MY GREATEST JOY IS WHEN WE GET A CHECK FROM ONE OF THE RETIRED TEACHERS, IT SAYS, SAM, WE ARE PRAYING FOR YOU.
UM, YOU KNOW, MS. DONNA IS AMAZING AND NAVY FEDERAL CREDIT UNION.
THESE PARTNERS ARE THE ONES THAT COME OUT AND SPEAK TO OUR KIDS AND INTERACT WITH THEM.
SO WE ARE THE BACK PEOPLE WHO ARE PUSHING FORWARD, OUR COMMUNITY LEADERS TO COME OUT AND BE A PART OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT WE'RE DOING TO SUPPORT OUR STUDENTS? SO WHY ARE WE HERE TONIGHT? WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE YOUTH CENTER, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT BACKSTORY JUST FOR YOU TO SEE OUR PASSION AND THE REASON WHY WE ARE HERE STANDING BEFORE YOU AND, UM, ON MARCH, MAY 22ND AND MAY 23RD.
UM, WE DIDN'T WANNA JUST COME TO YOU WITH WHAT WE THINK YOU WANT TO HEAR.
WE CAME TO YOU WITH INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM TEACHERS WITHIN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND ALSO PARENTS, SINGLE PARENTS, GUARDIANS, UM, MARRIED PARENTS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LIST OF INDIVIDUALS WHO CAME OUT AND WE ASKED FROM THE HARD QUESTIONS, WHAT IS IT THAT'S NEEDED IN OUR COMMUNITY? YOU ARE THE PARENTS, YOU ARE THE TEACHERS, YOU ARE THE ADMINISTRATORS, LIKE DANELLE AND BOBBY, TELL US WHAT'S GOING ON SO WE CAN RELAY THAT INFORMATION AND NOT WASTE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
SO THEY CAME UP WITH SO MUCH, BUT THESE WERE THE REALLY UNDERLINING THINGS THAT THEY, UM, THAT THEY SAID ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE THE MOST CHALLENGING, ISOLATION, RESPONSIBILITY AND ENVIRONMENT.
AND UNDER THESE, YOU KNOW, UM, DENELLE IS READING A BOOK RIGHT NOW, AND IT IS ALL ENCOMPASSING EVERYTHING THAT IS HERE, YOU KNOW, FROM SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU KNOW, UM, NO ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS, YOU KNOW, UM, DRUGS, VAPING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR 13 YEAR OLDS IN, IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO ARE VAPING, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE ADDICT TO, YOU KNOW, TO SUBSTANCE ABUSE.
AND, UM, AND SO WITH THESE THREE TIERS, WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE TRUTH IS, THE TRANSPARENCY OF WHAT OUR TEACHERS AND WHAT OUR PARENTS ARE, ARE RESPONDING ARE SAYING, UM, OR THE ISSUES THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITH FAMILIES AND CHILDREN IN OUR SCHOOL COMMUNITIES.
SO THESE AREN'T OUR WORDS, THESE ARE THE WORDS OF PARENTS.
THESE ARE THE WORDS OF EDUCATORS IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM.
SO WHAT IS OUR GOAL? UM, BECAUSE WE CAN, OKAY, THEY'RE THE CHALLENGES.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA FIX THIS? AND THESE ARE ASPECTS OF WHERE, AND THIS IS IN YOUR PROPOSAL PACKAGE.
SO THESE ARE WHERE WE'RE SEEING WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE GOALS TO COMBAT THESE CHALLENGES.
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UM, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH ROLE MODELS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR PO POSITIVE OUTCOME FOR ALL STUDENTS AND FOR A PLACE FOR THEM TO FEEL SAFE, YOU KNOW? AND WE HEAR STORIES ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW, UM, I, I KNOW DR.BALLINGER GETTING PHONE CALLS, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, YOU'RE DIDN'T SAY, HEY, YOUR, YOUR KIDS ARE, ARE DOWN IN THE PARKING LOT BY ROYAL KINGS, YOU KNOW, MAKING MISCHIEF, YOU KNOW, ON A FRIDAY NIGHT.
I, I, MY SON JUST GRADUATED FROM, FROM SKYLINE, HE'S GOTTEN THOSE PHONE CALLS.
YOU KNOW? SO, UM, SO THERE'S SO MANY STORIES OF, OF, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, OUR STUDENTS WANTING TO HAVE JUST THAT PLACE OF BELONGING, THAT PLACE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY, THEY WANT TO FEEL COMFORTABLE IN.
AND LIKE WE SAID EARLIER, UM, WE CAN'T DO THIS ALONE.
THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE ALL OF THIS POSSIBLE.
YOU ALL THE, OF COURSE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BUT BEYOND THAT, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT, I'M SO HAPPY THAT KALEY'S HERE TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, DR.
BALLINGER AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MRS. FERLING, MR. JOHNSON, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO TAKE, I ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, SPOKE WITH, UM, LIEUTENANT COLLINS, YOU KNOW, UM, AND SERGEANT BURKE, IT IS GONNA TAKE ALL OF US TO MAKE THIS A REALITY AND TO MAKE THIS POSSIBLE FOR OUR STUDENTS.
SO WE ARE REALLY, REALLY PROUD THAT OUR THREE MAIN, UM, NOT THAT WE DON'T MEET EVERYONE, BUT FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS GOALS, THESE ARE OUR MAIN PARTNERS THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK HAND IN HANDS WITH TO MAKE THIS A, TO MAKE THIS A REALITY TIMELINE.
IF YOU BUILD A HOUSE, YOU KNOW, TIMELINE IS NEVER HOLDS TRUE MOST OF THE TIME, BUT YOU HAVE TO STILL PLAN.
SO AS FAR AS TIMELINE, UM, NOW I'M SPEAKING BEFORE YOU, UM, WE WE'RE JULY, YOU KNOW, UM, AGREEMENTS, UM, RENOVATIONS THROUGH SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER AT SOME POINT IN THE FALL.
UM, HOPEFULLY, UH, OPENING OF OF THE YOUTH CENTER IS WHILE WE ARE PROJECTING, AND OF COURSE, THE PART THAT EVERYONE IS AFRAID TO TALK ABOUT, UM,
SO IN THE BACK OF YOUR PROPOSAL, THIS IS JUST A, A SIMPLE, A SIMPLE LAYOUT, BUT IN THE BACK YOU'LL SEE A FULL LAYOUT OF, UM, OF EVERYTHING THAT WE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO CLEAR POSSIBLE FOR THIS.
BUT, UM, FOR THIS TO APPEAR A REALITY.
SO WE HAVE THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING, RENT, BUILDING MAINTENANCE, UTILITIES, STAFFING COSTS, UM, EQUIPMENTS AND FURNITURE COSTS.
AND IT'S BROKEN DOWN BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN.
UM, AS FAR AS THE TOWN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE STAFFING COSTS AND TO HELP SUPPORT WITH EQUIPMENT AND FURNITURE COSTS.
SO I KNOW I KEEP SAYING THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BUT RIGHT NOW THAT IS A PICTURE OF WHAT'S, UM, HANGING RIGHT NOW IN THE CENTER.
AND OUR STUDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR A PLACE THAT THEY CAN CALL THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW? UM, AND TOGETHER WE CAN CREATE THAT FOR THE YOUTH IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
SO COUNSEL, USUALLY AT THIS TIME WHAT WE DO IS WE JUST GO AROUND AND SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO WE CAN DISCUSS.
AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO FEEL THE MOM, MAYBE CENA, IS THAT HOW YOU SAY IT? CENA.
MY, BUT YOU KNOW, UM, YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AS WELL.
YOU STILL HAVE THEM IF YOU SO MUCH.
UM, SO FOR, FOR THE GROUP THAT'S WATCHING, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, COUNCILWOMAN D DOO PAYNE HAD ASKED A FEW QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME, CUZ WE ALWAYS KNOW WHAT'S ON OUR AGENDA OR WHATEVER, AND I, I BELIEVE YOU'RE GONNA MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE NOW.
I JUST WANTED TO PREFACE SO THAT OTHER PEOPLE WERE LIKE, WAIT A SECOND, THEY DIDN'T ASK A QUESTION.
I SENT, WELL, JUST SO FOR EVERYBODY, I, YEAH, EVERYBODY HERE ALL, BUT I SENT A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ONLY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, UM, WELL, I WANT TO KNOW THEM, BUT, UH, AND OBVIOUSLY
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YOU'RE ASKING FOR MONEY, BUT ALSO IT'S PART OF SUSTAINABILITY TOO, BECAUSE YOU'RE, AT SOME POINT YOU'LL HAVE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FOR ANY GRANTS OR ANY OTHER FUNDING SOURCES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.AND, UM, AND IT ALSO GIVES US SOME INSIGHT, UH, AS TO WHERE THE PROGRAM IS, UM, OR THE ORGANIZATION IS DEVELOPMENTALLY AND, UM, AND, UM, HOW WELL OUR INVESTMENT MIGHT BE ABLE TO, TO FLOURISH.
SO, AND WE'LL TOTTLE BACK AND FORTH.
THE FIRST QUESTION YOU HAD WAS AROUND OUR REVENUE IN PREVIOUS YEARS AND WHAT OUR BUDGET HAS BEEN LIKE FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS AND WHAT OUR PRIMARY SOURCES OF FUNDING ARE.
UM, SO FOR 2022, UM, BUDGET WAS 70,000.
UM, WE HAVE A PROJECTED BUDGET THIS YEAR.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR FOR THE COST, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UM, BUT WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN GRASSROOTS FUNDING.
UM, I THINK WE, ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO, WE GOT OUR VERY FIRST SET OF GRANTS, UM, THAT WE USED, UM, WE'RE USING FOR THIS YEAR'S US CONFERENCE AND, UM, FOR SAFE AT HOME.
BUT ALL OF OUR FUNDING, THE 75,000 MEALS THAT WE SERVED, UM, ALL OF OUR SCHOLARSHIPS, ANYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING IN THE COMMUNITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN FROM COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, GRASSROOTS, INDIVIDUAL DONORS, UM, JUST, THAT'S HOW WE'VE ALWAYS OPERATED A HUNT OUT TWO MONTHS AGO.
UM, YOU HAD A QUESTION AROUND OUR EXPERIENCE MANAGING BUSES, BUDGETS AND PERSONNEL.
UM, THE LEADERSHIP PROGRAM, UM, WE MENTIONED WE HAVE THE SCHOLARSHIPS FOR THAT.
WE'RE TAKING THE KIDS, UM, ON FIELD TRIPS, COLLEGE TRIPS, UM, FUNDING THE NAVIAN PROGRAM THAT WE'RE USING.
SO, AND, AND PLUS MY EXPERIENCE, UM, BEFORE I GOT INTO EDUCATION, UM, WHEN I WORKED AT TC WILLIAMS HIGH SCHOOL, MY BACKGROUND WAS FINANCING AND POLITICS.
I WORK AT THE UNITED STATES FEDERAL CREDIT UNION, UM, IN MANAGEMENT, UM, WHERE I RAN THE CALL CENTER AND, UM, AND ALSO RAN THE, UM, THE, THE TELLER LINE.
AND OF COURSE, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE US CENTER, A FELLOW CREDIT UNION, UM, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS CAN GO THROUGH YOUR HAND IN, IN 50 MINUTES.
UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, RUNNING THAT AUDITING, UM, BUDGETING, UM, HOW MUCH MONEY GOES HERE, THERE, YOU KNOW, THE 10 DIFFERENT ATMS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SENATE BUILDINGS MM-HMM.
I KNOW I DON'T MESS WITH THE IRS.
UM, AND THE INTEGRITY OF THIS ORGANIZATION AND ALWAYS MAKING SURE THAT OUR FINANCES ARE ON THE UP AND UP, NO DOUBT DOES.
OUR FINANCE DOES OUR ACCOUNTING, UM, THEY DO OUR BOOKKEEPING AS WELL.
SO WE TOUCH NOT NOTHING DIFFERENT FROM MAINTAINING THE ACCOUNTS, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO OUR, OUR FINANCING BECAUSE, UM, WE BEING GRASSROOTS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE GET GOES EXACTLY TO WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, MS. DONNA AND THE, THE TEACHER, THEIR ENTIRE TEACHERS, THEY ALL THEIR MONEY, THEY WANT TO GO TO LEADERSHIP, ALL OF THEIR MONEY GO INTO LEADERSHIP.
SO, UM, WE ARE, WE'RE VERY, VERY, VERY MUCH A STICKLER ON, ON HOW WE MANAGE OUR FINANCING.
UM, UM, ALRIGHT, THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, OUR ORIGINAL FOCUS GROUPS.
WE HAD INTENDED ON SPEAKING WITH STUDENTS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, BUT BECAUSE, UM, THE CLOSURE OF THE SCHOOLS WAS MOVED UP, UM, BY THE SCHOOL BOARD THIS YEAR, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO WORK WITH STUDENTS ON THE FOCUS GROUPS.
UM, AND WE TRANSITION TO SPEAKING WITH THE PARENTS AND THE TEACHERS LIKE WE OUTLINED, UM, DURING THE PRESENTATION.
UM, BUT WE DO, UM, HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH PARENTS.
UM, WE'VE BEEN LUCKY ENOUGH THROUGH OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE WARREN COALITION TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT SOME OF THE RESULTS THAT THEY'RE SEEING IN THEIR STUDENT FOCUS GROUPS THAT THEY'RE HAVING.
UM, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WORKING THROUGH THE SUMMER AND FINDING STUDENTS AND
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TALKING TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE CENTER, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD MAKE THEM SHOW UP AND COME OUT.UM, BUT WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF THEM ARE JUST LOOKING FOR SOMEWHERE THEY CAN BE.
SO, UM, ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT? YEAH.
UM, WE HAD, WE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO ELSE WE WOULD BE PARTNERING WITH.
I THINK THAT WAS COVERED PRETTY WELL.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY STATE OR NATIONAL AFFILIATIONS FOR OUR PROGRAM AND SERVICES THAT HELP PROVIDE OVERSIGHT OR DIRECTION ON WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE DO IT? UM, NO.
WE GO STRICTLY BY WHAT OUR COMMUNITY IS TELLING US WE NEED.
WE HAVE PRIDED OURSELVES ON BEING REALLY ADAPTABLE.
UM, WHEN WE STARTED THE MEAL PROGRAM AND WE HAD NOTHING LIKE THAT, WE HAD $600, UM, IN OUR ACCOUNT WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO TO HELP.
UH, IT WAS DURING SHUTDOWN, WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH FOOD INSECURITY ON THE SCHOOLS, UH, AND THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
UM, AND WE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO SEE IF WE COULD GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY TO HELP WITH THAT.
AND THERE WASN'T ANYTHING AVAILABLE.
SO WE WENT TO DEVIN AND WITH $600, WE STARTED A PROGRAM THAT LASTED THREE YEARS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, AS LONG AS IT'S, UM, SUPPORTING OUR YOUTH AND OUR TEACHERS, WE FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
SO, UM, HOW DID WE DECIDE UPON A REQUEST FOR TWO YEARS OF FUNDING? AND WHAT ARE OUR PLANS FOR NON-LOCAL GOVERNMENT SUSTAINABILITY FOLLOWING THAT TWO YEAR PERIOD? UM, SO WE BELIEVE IT'LL TAKE US 18 TO 24 MONTHS TO BUILD A SUSTAINABLE NONLOCAL GOVERNMENT FUNDING.
UM, WE WANT TO BEGIN GETTING SUPPORT THROUGH OUR EXISTING RELATIONSHIPS AND THE COMMUNITY, UM, REACH OUT TO ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES.
WE THINK THERE'S, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR SPONSORSHIPS FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, FOR THE CENTER.
BUT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS, UH, GONNA LOOK LIKE AND WHAT, WHAT THE COMMUNITY CAN HELP US DELIVER.
UM, SO WITH YOUR SUPPORT, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SET THE GROUNDWORK AND BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON REALLY BUILDING, YOU KNOW, BUILDING UP SOMETHING AWESOME FOR THE KIDS.
UM, THE INITIAL FUNDING THAT WE'RE ASKING, ASKING FOR FROM THE TOWN THAT IS GOING TO GET US STAFF SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S THERE WITH THE KIDS, KEEPING THEM SAFE, KEEPING AN EYE ON THEM.
AND WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON OUR SECURITY COSTS IN PARTICULAR, MAKING SURE WE HAVE GOOD LIGHTING, GOOD CAMERAS, UM, VAPE DETECTORS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, IS RECOMMENDING.
AND THEN ANYTHING BEYOND THAT WILL HELP BUILD UP THE CENTER.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO BE OBVIOUSLY SEEKING FEDERAL AND STATE GRANTS, UM, BUT FOR MOST OF THOSE THINGS RIGHT NOW, THE PROCESS IS ALREADY CLOSE FOR THE YEAR.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE SOME GREAT OPPORTUNITIES WITH, UH, THERE'S THE, UH, CT GRANTS, UM, I THINK FOR WE'LL BE LOOKING INTO THAT NEXT YEAR.
IT'S A FEDERAL PROGRAM, BUT IT'S, UM, GIVEN UP TO STATE AGENCIES.
AND THEN WHAT ARE ARE AREAS OF CONCURRENT OR BARRIERS WE SEE ASIDE FROM MONEY FOR THE PROJECT? DO YOU WANNA COVER THIS ONE? UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AT MY LAST MEETING WITH, UM, YOUR LAURIE AND, AND SOME OF, UM, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, YOU KNOW, IT'S WORKING TOGETHER.
UM, AND WE, WE ARE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND THE FULL PUBLIC BUY-IN, YOU KNOW, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A COMMUNITY.
WE WANT THIS TO BE A COMMUNITY, UM, COMMUNITY-BASED.
UH, WE OUTREACH FOR OUR, FOR OUR STUDENTS, FOR ML FAMILIES.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, I WAS READING UP AND REALLY MEDITATING AND THE UNION IS A, IS GREATLY NEEDED FOR OUR YOUTH TO HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO DROP IN AND BE THEMSELVES.
A TOWN IN 1967 FELT A NEED TO PROVIDE A PLACE LIKE THIS FOR STUDENTS AND SERVE THIS ROLE FOR MANY YEARS AFTERWARDS.
YOU KNOW, I FIGHT WITH MY SON ALL THE TIME ABOUT PUTTING ON HIS CELL PHONE, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, BUT THE, THE BIGGEST BARRIER IS, IS US WORKING TOGETHER, GETTING THE, GETTING BUY-IN, YOU KNOW, FROM, UM, FROM OUR, FROM OUR PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR RESIDENTS IN WHICH WE HAVE A LOT OF THAT ALREADY.
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TO GET THE SUPPORT, UM, FOR THE VISION THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR A NEW NEWLY SEEN, NEW NEW VISION FOR THIS YOUTH CENTER.UM, AND, AND THAT'S HOW HOPE, THAT'S HOW HOPE
SO, UM, COUNSEL, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL TO MAYBE ASK QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, COUNCILMAN RAP REPORT.
AM I, WELL, I'VE ACTUALLY MET, UM, WITH SAMANTHA TWICE NOW, AND COUNCILMAN RAP REPORT MET WITH US THE LAST TIME.
SO I KNOW WE, WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS, ALTHOUGH I SUSPECT, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY STILL SEE BE SOME, BUT THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR, UM, FOR COUNSEL TO ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, I, I THINK THAT, THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT TO THIS LAST PAGE, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY TO TAKE A LOOK AT TOO.
SO ANYWAY, LET'S JUST GO AROUND THE TABLE.
I DON'T, I'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF CALLING ON PEOPLE TOO SOON, SO ANYBODY WANNA GO FIRST? I, GO AHEAD.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, UM, ON THE COUNSELING REPORT.
AND I, WE KIND OF GREW UP AROUND THAT YOUTH CENTER.
UM, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS, IT WAS, IT WAS A, IT WAS A PLACE FOR TEENAGERS TO GO.
UM, I THINK WHAT YOU PRESENTED TO US IS A LOT OF WORK, BUT I THINK IT'S, I THINK WE NEED TO TRY AND HELP HIM OUT WITH THIS.
UH, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE.
UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS 1967, I PROBABLY DIDN'T START GOING THERE UNTIL LIKE 68 OR 69.
UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED ISOLATION.
AS YOU SAID, SOMETHING'S NEVER CHANGED.
YEAH, SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGED, YOU KNOW, AS YOU POINTED OUT, ISOLATION, ISOLATION, UH, RESPONSIBILITY, THE ENVIRONMENT, UH, THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE THERE BACK IN 1967.
OKAY? THE DRUGS, UH, KIDS NOT KNOWING WHERE TO GO, DIDN'T HAVE GOOD PARENT LEADERSHIP.
AND I CAN SAY THAT, UH, RAYMOND ST.
MYERS, WHO, WHO HELPED ORGANIZE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HE WAS THAT GUY.
HE WAS THAT PARENT THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE.
AND, UH, AND THE, THE, THERE WERE LIKE PLAYERS WITHIN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM MEANING, UH, UH, RESPONSIBLE, UH, SENIORS, JUNIORS THAT WOULD, WOULD, UH, VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME, UH, TO BE, UM, LIKE R UH, RN RE RESIDENT RA, RESIDENT ADVISORS, UH, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO A COLLEGE SYSTEM.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, IT'S ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT EVERY, EVERY COMMUNITY NEEDS, AND IT'S BEEN A VOID HERE FOR MANY YEARS NOW.
I KNOW THE CHURCHES ALL HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON, BUT, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT FROM A MORE GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE IS CRITICAL BECAUSE IT BRINGS PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE TOGETHER, NOT JUST ONE SEGMENT.
AND, UH, THAT'S THE REAL WORLD.
AND, UH, IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN GET THESE KIDS TOGETHER AND GET 'EM STRAIGHT, UH, IT'LL MAKE OUR POLICE JOB EASIER AND, AND WILL MAKE, HELP MAKE THEM, UH, GOOD CITIZENS FOR THE FUTURE.
SO I'M ALL, I'M ALL IN PERSONALLY, SO.
ANYBODY ELSE? ONE OFFER OR ASK OR ANYTHING? UM, ABOUT, I'LL MAKE A COUPLE OF ONES.
UM, BACK IN 1967, THAT WAS THE YEAR I GOT OUTTA HIGH SCHOOL.
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THAT, AND THROUGH THE EARLY SIXTIES AND, AND THROUGH THE LATE FIFTIES, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A CHILD IN A TOWN.AND I, I, I GREW UP IN A SMALL TOWN, CALIFORNIA, AND I THINK MOST COMMUNITIES HAD RECREATION DEPARTMENTS.
AND THOSE RECREATION DEPARTMENTS WERE VERY LOCAL.
MOST OF THEM WERE CENTERED AT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
IT WAS ALWAYS A PLACE FOR KIDS TO GO.
I LEARNED TO DANCE IN FIFTH GRADE.
I WAS RAISED IN A PAROCHIAL SCHOOL.
SO THE NUNS LIBERAL NEVER REALLY ALLOWED YOU TO KIND OF, RIGHT.
SO I LEARNED TO DANCE THERE, AND I LEARNED ARCHERY THERE, AND I LEARNED TO PLAY CHESS THERE, AND I LEARNED TO SOCIALIZE THERE.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE RECREATION DEPARTMENTS.
IT'S A MATTER OF MONEY, ISN'T IT? RIGHT.
AND AT THAT TIME, MY NEIGHBORHOODS, I COULD LEAVE AT NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND COME BACK AT FOUR O'CLOCK AND MY MOTHER WOULD SAY, HEY, WHERE WERE YOU TODAY? WELL, I WAS OUT PLAYING, AND THAT WAS A REALITY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE MOVE AHEAD 50, 60 YEARS, I'M AN OLD GUY, BUT YOU MOVE AHEAD 50, 60 YEARS AS SOME OF US IN THIS ROOM ARE, AND YOU WONDER WHAT HAPPENED.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IS WE GOT AWAY FROM THE BASICS.
AND ONE OF THE BASICS IS A PLACE, IT'S A PLACE, WHETHER IT BE A CHURCH, WHETHER IT BE A SCHOOL, WHETHER IT BE A YOUTH CENTER, RIGHT? BUT A PLACE TO GO THAT'S SAFE.
YOU CAN HANG OUT, YOU CAN LEARN THINGS, YOU CAN SHARE THINGS.
UH, AND WE'VE GOTTEN AWAY FROM THAT.
MOST COMMUNITIES HAVE GOTTEN AWAY FROM THAT.
AND WE CAN SEE WHAT THE IMPACT OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN AS WE'VE DONE THAT.
UH, THIS COMMUNITY HAS NEEDED.
WE HAVE INCREDIBLE SCHOOLS HERE.
I BELIEVE THAT MY KID, MY GRAND, I'M SORRY, MY GRANDKIDS VERY INGRAINED LIKE YOUR CHILDREN AND, AND MANY FOLKS HERE, UH, OUR KIDS ARE ENGAGED IN, UH, THANKFULLY HEAVY DUTY SPORTS ACTIVITIES AT SCHOOL.
UH, WHETHER IT BE ACADEMIC OR SPORT OR WHATEVER IT IS, THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS THAT ARE REALLY ENGAGED AND THEY'RE DOING GOOD A PRODUCT KIDS.
OUR SON IS A PRODUCT OF SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL, GRADUATED WITH A 4.2 GPA, GOD BLESS YOU, HEADING TO SHEOO UNIVERSITY.
SO MY POINT IS, THERE IS A NEED FOR A LOT OF OUR KIDS WHO ARE KIND OF LOOKING, THEY'RE KIND OF LOOKING.
AND YOUTH CENTERS WERE ALWAYS THE PLACE WHERE YOU COULD GO.
LIKE I SAID, I LEARNED ARCHERY, I LEARNED TO DANCE, I LEARNED TO PLAY CHESS.
I LEARNED THIS, I LEARNED THAT, I LEARNED WHATEVER, BUT IT WAS A PLACE THAT EXPOSED THINGS TO, AND EXPOSED ME ALSO TO LEADERSHIP, RIGHT? THE RECREATION LEADERS.
I LOVE SOME OF MY RECREATION LEADERS BECAUSE THEY TURNED ME ON TO STUFF.
UH, I THINK THIS YOUTH CENTER IS WELL OVERDUE HERE.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE INVESTMENT AT THIS POINT, IS CHMP CHANGE COMPARED TO WHAT THIS COMMUNITY COULD BENEFIT FROM, UM, IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT ON OUR KIDS.
I'M SORRY, I CAN GET ON THINGS.
I I'M A GRASSROOTS GUY MYSELF.
I, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH SOCIAL PROGRAMS, UH, SINCE I GOT OUT OF THE ARMY IN 1970.
THIS IS A GRASSROOTS PROGRAM, RIGHT? YEAR ONE IS THIS.
YEAR TWO IS THIS YEAR THREE IS THIS.
AND WHAT YOU LOOK FOR, I BELIEVE ARE GUYS LIKE ME OR YOU OR YOU OR PEOPLE HERE THAT WANT TO TAKE THE LEAD AND SAY, WE NEED TO DO THIS.
TRUST ME, WE HAVE THE SKILLSET, WE HAVE THE ALLIANCES.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING US TONIGHT.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPENING OF THAT YOUTH CENTER.
ANYBODY ELSE? UH, HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? JOSH? UH, IT'S JUST A COMMENT.
I, UH, MY FULL-TIME JOB, I'M INVOLVED IN THE, UH, SAFETY AND SECURITY INDUSTRY MM-HMM.
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WITH EDUCATION.AND I KNOW THAT, UM, THERE ARE, UM, RESOURCES OUT THERE THAT SCHOOLS CAN REACH TO, TO GET SOME OF THIS COSTS COVERED.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK INTO THAT AS, AS A MAJOR TO, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, UH, YOUTH SYNERGIES REPORT, EXCUSE.
SO THERE COULD BE RESOURCES OUT THERE IF YOU'RE LOOKING INTO THIS AS AN FYI.
AND WE WELCOME THE SUPPORT TO FIND THOSE RESOURCES BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE ARE LOT OF WISDOM IN THIS ROOM.
AND, AND SINCE JOSH SAID THAT, I KNOW THAT LIKE WHEN WE TALKED
AND I KNOW WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE STUFF LIKE, IT, IT MAY BE THAT SOME THINGS YOU COULD EVEN GET DONATED MM-HMM.
UM, BUT IT, IT MAY BE THAT, IT MAY BE THAT AS THIS IDEA COMES OUT AMONGST THE COMMUNITY, THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY OUT THERE THAT'S SAYING, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU HAVE ON YOUR LIKE, INITIAL FURNITURE.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, TO SOMEBODY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? ARE WE TALKING THREE COUCHES? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, UH, A BAR? I DON'T BAR, LET ME JUST, YOU KNOW, TABLE THEY CALL 'EM BAR TABLES.
AND I KNOW THEY TALKED ABOUT LIKE RETROFITTING, LIKE A COFFEE AREA, SOME KIND OF LIKE, ALMOST LIKE A, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF COFFEE SHOP TYPE ATMOSPHERE OR WHATEVER.
AND, AND EVEN LIKE GAMES AND ELECTRONICS.
LIKE, I THINK THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, MY KIDS HAVE AGED OUT OF THEIR PS4.
WOULD YOU WANT THIS? OR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU DON'T WANNA GET JUNK.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU SHOULD BE TAKING A BUNCH OF USED STUFF, BUT I ALSO THINK THOUGH THAT, UM, I, I DO THINK THERE WOULD BE PEOPLE THAT WOULD JUMP ON BOARD WITH THIS AND UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST WANT, WANT TO HELP AND SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, TO NOT JUST BENEFIT THE KIDS, BUT BY BENEFITING THE KIDS YOU BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AND NOT THAT IT, NOT ON MY STREET, BUT I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THEIR STREETS, KIDS GETTING INTO MISCHIEF, AS YOU SAY.
I'M GONNA REMEMBER THAT MISCHIEF.
BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK TO MYSELF, LIKE, HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR KIDS TO HAVE SOMEWHERE, UM, HEALTHY TO GO TO THAT WOULD NOT BE INTO MISCHIEF.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY.
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? I KNOW, I KNOW TONIGHT, TONIGHT WAS ABOUT YOU ALL HEARING INFORMATION, UM, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE OUR NEXT STEPS WOULD BE.
UM, I KNOW THAT FROM THE MOMENT THAT I WAS, UM, PART OF THESE DISCUSSIONS WERE BEING EDUCATED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY, UM, BECAUSE WE WERE AT THE END OF OUR BUDGET CYCLE, MEANING LIKE WE HAD ALREADY SET OUR BUDGET MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED IT AND WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, WHERE ARE WE GOING FROM HERE? SO I KNOW THAT'S STILL A QUESTION THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE WAS SUPPORT, UM, IF THERE WAS SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IS JUST, THEN WE'D REALLY HAVE TO DIG IN AND LOOK AT LIKE WHERE WOULD WE, WHERE WOULD WE FIND THIS MONEY IN OUR BUDGET? LIKE WHERE WOULD, WHAT WOULD WE HAVE TO TAKE FROM TO BE ABLE TO, TO FUND THIS? UM, AND I KNOW LIKE WITH THE COUNTY, THERE'S SITUATIONS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IN KIND YEAH.
UM, AND BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALREADY, BUT THEY WOULDN'T BE PAYING THE SAME UTILITIES.
CUZ I IMAGINE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S EVEN USING THE YOUTH CENTER BUILDING RIGHT NOW.
THEY MOVED THE PARKS AND REC OFFICES OUT OF THERE.
SO, UM, I'M, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE THE BUILDING, THEY ALREADY HAVE TO PROVIDE MAINTENANCE.
PROBABLY NOT THE SAME THING WITH THE UTILITIES.
SO THEIR SITUATION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN US.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING THAT I THOUGHT OF WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS CUZ NORMALLY SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD BE FUNDED UNDER
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PARKS AND REC, SKIP WAS TALKING ABOUT A RECREATION DEPARTMENT.NORMALLY THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING AND THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE COUNTIES, UM, PURVIEW.
BUT THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS BECAUSE THE, THE STUDENT UNION, I'M GONNA KEEP SAYING THAT CUZ PEOPLE, APPARENTLY KIDS DON'T THINK YOUTH CENTER IS A COOL WORD ANYMORE.
THEY LIKE THE IDEA STUDENT UNION.
SO I'VE BEEN TOLD RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD, UM, IS THAT, UH, THAT WE IF TO, TO GET THIS GOING, THE KIDS IN TOWN PROBABLY ARE GONNA ACTUALLY HAVE MORE ACCESS TO THIS.
I I'M JUST SAYING CUZ I KNOW WE TALKED LIKE I WAS A TOWN KID, SO GOING TO BEING CROSBY AND THINGS LIKE THAT, LIKE, I MEAN BACK IN THE DAY WE WALKED THERE, RODE OUR BIKES THERE, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT KIDS IN THE COUNTY, IT WASN'T AS EASY FOR THEIR PARENTS TO GET THEM IN.
AND SO THAT'S THE ONE THING I THINK ABOUT THIS IS, WHILE IT IS PROBABLY MORE OF A, UM, PARKS AND RECREATION TYPE OF THING, THE KIDS IN THE TOWN PROBABLY ARE GONNA HAVE AN EASIER TIME BEING ABLE TO GO THERE THAN, YOU KNOW, SO, SO THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR TOWN CITIZENS, THE CHILDREN OF OUR TOWN, CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WOULD DIRECTLY BENEFIT FROM THIS.
UM, THAT'S, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE CUZ I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, THAT THE TOWN WOULD BE WANTING TO DO THIS AS WELL.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, SHE CAN GET THERE, GET THERE, INTERRUPT MS. MAYOR.
BUT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THIS TOWN WOULD BENEFIT GREATLY.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT ABSOLUTELY.
I I'M THE YOUTH DEFINITELY WOULD.
UM, WELL AND OBVIOUSLY OUR CITIZENS.
CUZ AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, IF THE YOUTH ABSOLUTELY ARE DOING SOMETHING HEALTHY, THEN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HAVING TO GO TO RURAL KING TO, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THEM FROM THE MIDST.
I'LL, I'LL JUST ADD THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
I THINK I'M PROBABLY THE FIRST SKYLINE ALUM TO SIT ON THIS TOWN COUNCIL AND SAMANTHA, MY KIDS AND I HAVE ENJOYED WATCHING YOUR SON PLAY BASEBALL ALL SEASON THIS YEAR.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN SITTING BEHIND YOU IN THE BLEACHERS FOR ALMOST EVERY GAME.
UM, AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS WHAT HAPPENED TO RECREATION, THE GOVERNMENT'S FAILED US.
SO I HAVE A SEVENTH GRADER, THIS OBVIOUSLY HITS VERY CLOSE TO HOME FOR ME IN THE PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM.
UM, AND I WAS IN THE PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM HERE AND I WAS A PART OF THE YOUTH CENTER WHEN IT WAS THERE AND I DID SOCK HOPS AND WHATNOT.
AND THEN AS AN ELDER MILLENNIAL, IT PHASED OUT AS I REACHED 16, 17 YEARS OLD AND THEN COVID CAME ALONG AND YOU KNOW, I'M RAISING TWO OF MY THREE KIDS WHO ARE NOW PART OF THE GENERATION THAT TOOK SCHOOL PICTURES WITH MASKS ON AND THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO HUG THEIR GRANDPARENTS WITHOUT BEING TOLD THEY WERE GOING TO KILL 'EM AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE HAVE AN ENTIRE GENERATION TO NOT ONLY ENGAGE AND BRING OUT OF ISOLATION, BUT TO UNLEARN A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE BEEN TAUGHT OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY SITTING AROUND THIS TABLE WHO'S NOT INVESTED OR INTERESTED.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
HOWEVER, MY CONCERN WAS WHAT LORI MENTIONED, THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
WE'VE ALREADY VOTED AND SET THE BUDGET FOR 2023.
SO IT IS HARD TO GO BACK AND TRY TO REALLOCATE FUNDS AND FIND THAT, UH, CUZ IT IS A LARGE AMOUNT FOR OUR LITTLE BUDGET.
UM, AS WE LEARNED LAST WEEK WITH SOME OF THE PROJECTS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE TO FUND, UM, I'M TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF ENGAGING AND RE-ENGAGING THE YOUTH IN THE TOWN AND I THINK IT WILL IMPACT THE TOWN.
I WAS A TOWN KID AND I RODE MY BIKE TO THE TOWN POOL EVERY DAY AND WHATEVER ELSE.
UM, MISSED IF I COULD GET INTO, WE DIDN'T HAVE ROYAL KING YET THEN, BUT UM, WE HAD AMP PARKING LOT
CAPTAIN SUPER FRIEND WOULD WATCH OUT FOR ME ON MY BICYCLE AND SEND ME BACK HOME.
UM, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT OR TO WORKING TOGETHER.
I DO THINK IT IS A LOT DIFFERENT FOR THE TOWN'S RESPONSIBILITY VERSUS THE COUNTIES.
UM, SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO DISSECT.
I KNOW WE GOT IT ABOUT A WEEK AGO, BUT NOW WE NEED TO WORK WITH OUR STAFF TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND MAYBE THERE ARE COSTS LIKE JOSH MENTIONED OR COUNCILMAN INGRAM, I'M SORRY THAT WE CAN CUT, UM, TO HELP HELP THIS BUDGET.
UH, I KNOW MELISSA HAS INVALUABLE EXPERIENCE IN NONPROFIT, SO WHEN SHE SENT YOU GUYS YOUR QUESTIONS, I WAS LIKE, THAT IS A LOT.
BUT THEY WERE GREAT QUESTIONS AND IT HELPS US TO ANSWER TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE I HAVE FIELDED CALLS AND EMAILS OVER THE LAST WEEK FROM OTHER NONPROFITS THAT ARE LIKE, WELL WE WANT MONEY TOO.
BECAUSE TYPICALLY SPEAKING AND HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, THE COUNTY DOES HAVE A LIST OF NONPROFITS THAT THEY SUPPORT AND THAT'S WITHIN THEIR BUDGET.
IT'S NOTHING THAT I KNOW THAT THE TOWN HAS EVER DONE OUTSIDE OF OUR ATTEMPTED TOURISM FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO JUSTIFY THE TAXPAYERS EXPENSES CUZ THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE YOUTH.
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AN ELDERLY WOMAN CALL ME, SHE DOESN'T HAVE KIDS HERE, SHE'S NEVER HAD KIDS HERE.AND SHE'S LIKE, I WANT MY ROAD PAVED AND MY PLUMBING TO BE UPGRADED UNDER THE STREET.
SO FOR US IT IS, WE HAVE TO KEEP IT, UM, KEEP EVERYONE HAPPY THE BEST THAT WE CAN.
SO TO JUSTIFY THESE EXPENSES, WE JUST HAVE TO, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW KEEPING THE YOUTH OFF THE STREETS AND ENGAGED IS JUSTIFIABLE, BUT, UM, TO TAKE MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE HAVE TO JUSTIFY THAT.
SO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS AGAINST THIS HERE ON THE TOWN COUNCIL.
NOW YOUR TIMELINE IS A LITTLE BIT TIGHT AND STRESSFUL FOR ME.
I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY STRESSFUL FOR OUR FINANCIAL DEPARTMENT TOO, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL WILLING TO DO OUR BEST.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY HE'S LIKE FINDING THIS IN TWO WEEKS, BUT FACE, LOOK AT IT.
ROLL OF ROLL OF OUR SLEEVES AND, AND WE ARE VERY MUCH, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE SAID EARLIER THAT YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN AN INVESTOR OR UM, AN AN ARCHITECT COME IN AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, JOSEPH AND I HAVE RENOVATED A HOME IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE.
AND THEN THAT'S NOT ALMOST KILL MY KIDS WHEN I HAVE TO STAY ANOTHER 45 DAYS IN THE HOTEL ROOM.
SO WE ARE HERE TO, TO WORK TOGETHER AND AGAIN, TO, TO LISTEN TO YOUR WISDOM.
YOU KNOW, I JUST GRADUATED FROM, UM, COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP PROGRAM CLASS FOR TOP OF VIRGINIA AND HAD THAT NINE MONTHS YES.
NINE MONTHS OF OKAY, DO YOU PAY FOR THIS OR DO YOU PAY FOR THAT? YEP.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DID THE GOVERNMENT DAY.
SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IN CLOSING, I THINK THIS COUNCIL, UH, AND OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO FIND $50,000.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE COMMITTED TO OUR YOUTH, I BELIEVE THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO SAY TO THE YOUTH WILL 25 25, WELL IT WOULD BE 20 END OF THIS YEAR.
THAT'S THIS COUNCIL AND HIS OPINION.
IT'S ONLY 25,000 FOR THE 2023 BUDGET WIN, WHICH THAT'S NOT BAD AT ALL.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T LIKE ALL THE STUFF YOU PRESENTED WAS GREAT.
I MEAN, I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT YOUR SKILLS OR THE MISSION OR ANY OF THAT.
UM, I THINK THE, THE THINGS THAT ARE STILL WORRY ME ARE, ARE COMING FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCES AND THEY WERE A LITTLE WHILE BACK, BUT I KNOW THAT, THAT FOLKS WHO, THE FOLKS WHO ARE SUCCESSFUL HERE HAVE TENDED TO BE, I MEAN, WELL FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY YOU GETTING 70,000 IN JUST GRASSROOTS FUNDRAISING IS FAN FABULOUS FOR THIS AREA.
BUT LIKE EVEN THE ROTARY HAVE HAS STR YOU KNOW, STRUGGLED TO GET MONEY.
UM, AND, UM, FOLKS WHO HAVE STARTED YOUTH PROGRAMS, YOU KNOW, I YOU'RE ALREADY HOOKED UP WITH THE WARREN COALITION.
I WOULD SAY DEFINITELY TALKED TO KRISTA SOME MORE BECAUSE SHE'S STARTED A COUPLE PROGRAMS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE STILL RUNNING WITHOUT GRANTS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THOSE ARE THE HARDEST.
IT'S NOT THAT THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT TO INVEST, IT'S THAT THERE IS SO MUCH NEED.
AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE RESIDENTS ONLY HAVE SO MUCH MONEY.
AND, UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE PIECES.
THE OTHER PIECE IS, UM, STUDY WHAT'S HAPPENED UP AT THE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT CENTER AND BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS IN THE WINCHESTER AREA.
I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE STRUGGLED OFF AND ON.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'VE STRUGGLED OFF AND ON, BUT JUST LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, TO SEE, LEARN FROM OTHERS IN OTHER WORDS, WHO HAVE NOT BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL GETTING A YOUTH PLACE, UM, GOING, YOU KNOW, OR SUSTAINING IT.
AND I WORRY ABOUT THE YOUTH AND I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT A TEENAGER AND I'VE GOT A, HAVE EARLY TWENTIES.
SO, UM, AND I, UM, BUT MY KIDS ARE STRANGE
I MEAN, I JUST DON'T, I I JUST DON'T KNOW WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY AT RISK YOUTH, WHAT WILL MAKE THEM COME, AND I KNOW YOU SAY IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY'LL, THEY WILL COME.
WILL THE ONES WHO COME, IS IT GONNA BE LIKE EVERY OTHER THING? IS IT GONNA BE THE ONES WHO ARE GONNA COME, THE ONES WHO ARE INVOLVED ALREADY IN SCHOOL, THE ONES WHO ARE ALREADY IN SPORTS? YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S NOT REALLY WHO WE WANT.
WE WANT, YOU KNOW, FOLKS WHO HAVE NOTHING ELSE AND HOW ARE WE DRAWING THEM IN? THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T DO IT, I'M JUST SAYING I AGREE.
THAT ALREADY INVOLVED TO COME.
I THINK THE OTHERS WILL FOLLOW SUIT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, AND I'M SURE THEY'LL GO TALK TO EM TOO TO GET HIM IN.
AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, UH, THE Y M C A IN, UH, FREDERICKSBURG, I MEAN, WE WENT TO VIRGINIA BEACH THIS WEEKEND.
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DONE AND, AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS GROUP HAS PROVEN TO US, UH, RE REACHING OUT NOW THAT THEY'RE VERY CAPABLE.SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY COST.
AND YOU, YOU LOOK AT, TO NOT DO IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY COST THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT'S GONE, IT'S GONE.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHY I, YOU KNOW, $25,000 TO GET IT STARTED FOR, FOR THE, THE REST OF THE YEAR.
UM, I CAN'T, I JUST CAN'T, I CAN'T SEE WHY WE WOULDN'T TRY TO MAKE IT, MAKE IT HAPPEN.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DOES THAT ONE.
I I WOULD ENCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, TO, YOU KNOW, FOR BUYING, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THIS, ONE OF YOUR, YOUR BARRIERS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OTHER COMMUNITY SERVICE GROUPS AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, AS MELISSA MENTIONED RECENTLY OUT TO THEM, BECAUSE I LOOK AT IT NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, YES.
FOR THE YOUTH, BUT, UM, I MEAN, LIKE VFW FOR INSTANCE, I MEAN, WE GOT SANTA CLAUS RIGHT HERE AS PART OF THE CENTER.
SO THE PEOPLE HERE THAT ALREADY WORK, I MEAN, I MEAN, I HOPE MY KIDS ARE WATCHING CALL ME.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I MEAN, THE VFW I MEAN, I I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT, YOU KNOW, IF IF THEY GOT BY, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UM, DIFFERENT GROUPS CAN COME AND SPEAK TO THE STUDENTS.
I MEAN, I ALWAYS THINK IT'S GREAT WHEN YOU GET, UM, YOU KNOW, ADULTS THAT ARE IN LEADERSHIP COMING AND SPEAK TO THE STUDENTS LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, WE'VE, THEY'VE ALREADY DO IT.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF US, YOU KNOW, OUR MAYOR HERE, SO WE, IT'S ALREADY PEOPLE, THERE ARE ONLY PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE ENGAGED IN DOING THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, THERE ARE ALREADY ORGANIZATIONS HERE THAT, THAT PROMOTE THAT.
SO, SO THE LAST THING I WANT IS I DON'T THINK A SINGLE PERSON AT THIS TABLE ARE IN THIS ROOM, LACKS CONFIDENCE IN YOU GUYS OR WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
YOU'VE ABSOLUTELY, OBVIOUSLY PROVEN YOUR SUCCESS.
UM, I'M APPRECIATIVE FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE, SO FAMILIES THAT YOU'VE IMPACTED.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, AS A MOM OF A TEEN, I'M GRATEFUL FOR IT.
UM, IT'S JUST A LOT OF INFORMATION TO DISSECT AND NOW IT'S IN OUR LAP AND IT'S OUR TURN TO DO THE WORK.
UM, BUT YEAH, BRUCE MENTIONED THE Y M C A WE'RE MEMBERS DOWN IN VIRGINIA BEACH AND WE GO FOUR TIMES A YEAR OR MORE.
UM, BUT ANOTHER THING I WOULD JUST UNFORTUNATELY WARN YOU GUYS IS TO BE COST CONSCIOUS OF REPAIRS.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS SEEN THE LAST TWO YEARS IN LARGE NUMBERS, AND I SAY VERY UNFORTUNATE, THE TIKTOK CHALLENGES WHERE THEY'VE DESTROYED THE BATHROOMS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO COUPLE THINGS, HAVE THE STAFF MITIGATE THAT.
AMBER SAID IT, BRUCE HAS SAID IT, SKIP SAID IT, EVERYBODY SAID IT.
AND I KNOW THAT I SAID THAT TO YOU, LIKE WHEN WE FIRST TALKED, I SAID, IN MY MIND, THIS IS KIND OF LIKE APPLE PIE CHEVROLET, LIKE BASEBALL OPERA.
YOU KNOW, LIKE I DON'T SEE ANYBODY THAT COULD SAY THIS IS, WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? OF COURSE.
I MEAN LIKE, WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO DO THAT? I'VE NEVER UNDERSTOOD NOT INVESTING IN YOUTH AND EDUCATION.
SO I THINK THAT'S SUPER IMPORTANT.
I KNOW THAT SAMANTHA AND I TALKED EVEN BEFORE ABOUT LIKE, I CALLED IT A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN, BUT LIKE YOU MENTIONED THAT TOO.
I, CUZ I KNOW YOU KNOW ABOUT GRASSROOTS, BUT REMEMBER HOW THE SECOND MEETING WE HAD, THERE WAS SOMEBODY IN THE ROOM THAT WAS INVOLVED IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND THEY WERE LIKE, I'VE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF YOU ALL.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING YOU'VE DONE.
I JUST THINK THAT THERE ARE PROBABLY PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DON'T KNOW ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE.
THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.
TOMORROW NIGHT, YOU'RE GONNA, TOMORROW NIGHT THEY'RE GONNA TALK TO THE COUNTY.
IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, AND I'M, I'M GONNA PREDICT THAT ROGER IS WATCHING THIS AND HE'S GONNA DO SOMETHING, AN ARTICLE ON THIS AS WELL.
UM, AND SO I THINK THAT THOSE ARE ALL THINGS, AND, AND I WAS SAYING WHEN THEY HAD LIKE THE EDUCATIONAL ENDOWMENT IN WARREN COUNTY, WHEN THAT WAS FIRST KICKED OFF, THEY WENT TO EVERY INDUSTRY, UM, ANY LARGE EMPLOYERS IN THE COMMUNITY AND ASKED, THEY ALLOWED PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO LIKE, TAKE FIVE OR $10 OUT OF THEIR PAYROLL, EACH PAYROLL.
AND I, I COULDN'T BELIEVE HOW MANY, AND THAT WAS TO TRADITIONAL ENDOWMENT, UNITED WAY DID THE SAME THING.
AND SO, SO PEOPLE NEVER REALLY EVEN SAW IT.
IT WAS LIKE, AND IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
I I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THERE MIGHT BE OTHER PLACES THAT YOU, AND THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE SUSTAINABILITY PIECE.
MAYBE WE GET EVERYBODY GOING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HELP.
AND I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT TERAN MENTIONED THIS TO YOU TOO WHEN WE WERE LEAVING THAT DAY EIGHT THROUGH 12.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT I, I I'M WONDERING IF THERE WILL COME A TIME WHERE BY THE TIME THEY'RE DRIVING, THEY MAY NOT BE AS QUICK TO KNOW BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE DRIVING, THEY CAN DRIVE OVER TO THEIR FRIEND'S
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HOUSE AND SEE FOUR OR WHATEVER.I JUST WONDER IF THERE WOULDN'T BE A TIME, CUZ WHEN I, WHEN I WAS GOING TO DO CENTER, YOU COULD GO AT, UM, SEVENTH GRADE, SIXTH GRADE, AND SEVENTH GRADE.
I NEVER GOT TO GO TO SIXTH GRADE.
MY PARENTS, I MEAN, BUT OTHER PEOPLE GOT TO START AT SEVENTH GRADE.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL I WAS GONNA SAY IS MAYBE AS TIME GOES ON, YOU MIGHT FIND THAT, UM, OR EVEN IF IT'S ONCE A MONTH, YOU LET SOME OF THE YOUNGER KIDS, CUZ SIXTH AND SEVENTH GRADE STARTS MIDDLE SCHOOL AROUND HERE.
AND I'VE AL I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT IF WE DON'T GET TO THEM SOON ENOUGH, SIXTH GRADE, I MEAN LIKE THE FACT THAT MIDDLE SCHOOL AND VAPING, I MEAN, WE SAID THAT, BUT IT'S TRUE.
AND YOU THINK TO YOURSELF BY THEN SOMETIMES THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALREADY DEVELOPING SOME OF, YOU KNOW, THE UNHEALTHY HABITS OR UNHELPFUL HABITS.
WE WILL, UM, WE, AS AMBER SAID, WE'LL LOOK THROUGH ALL THIS AND WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET BACK WITH YOU GUYS.
AND THE LAST THING WE WILL SAY IS, UM, ONE OF THE, THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IN CENA WILSON, SEND EACH OF YOU AN INVITATION IN TWO WEEKS.
UM, REAL QUICK, COMING UP QUICK, UM, WE HAVE A LEADERSHIP GALA AND WE INVITE, UM, DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE ARE HONORING, UM, CRYSTAL THAT THIS ONE, SHE'S GONNA BE GETTING, UM, FLYING.
SHE'S GONNA BE GETTING THE SERVICE, UM, LEADERSHIP AWARD, UH, JOHN AND JOYCE MARLOW.
UM, THEY'RE GETTING THE LEGACY AWARD.
AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE RECOGNIZING, UM, OUR STUDENTS FOR THE LEADERSHIP PROGRAM AND ALSO GIVING OUT SCHOLARSHIPS.
AND I'LL JUST GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT INTO WHO WE ARE.
SO JUNE 21ST AT THE DOUBLETREE, UM, STARTING AT SIX, BUT I'M SEE THE MIDDLE SEVEN, EVERYONE AND ANYBODY.
TWO B IS THE B CAMERAS, UM, AND KALE, UH, I KNOW YOU'RE HERE AND RANDY'S HERE AS WELL, RIGHT? I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE RANDY.
CAUSE I DON'T, IS CORRECT BECAUSE I DON'T RECOGNIZE YOU.
SO IF YOU WANNA COME ON UP, UM, THIS IS THE SPEED CAMERAS, UM, BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS.
UM, AND YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THESE GENTLEMEN CHAT WITH US MAYOR MEMBERS COUNSEL.
UM, WE'RE BACK TO TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN.
YOU GUYS GOT A LITTLE BIT OF AN EDUCATION ON THIS BEFORE, UM, WITH SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD, UM, WITH ME.
TONIGHT'S RANDY CAMPBELL WITH BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS, UH, RETIRED LIEUTENANT STATE POLICE.
SO I MEAN, HE'S A, HE'S BEEN DOING TRAFFIC, UH, FOR A LIVING FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
NOT THAT THE VIRGINIA STATE POLICE DOESN'T SERVE MANY OTHER FUNCTIONS, BUT TRAFFIC'S NOT.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
SO, UM, WE KIND OF WENT OVER MOST OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF WHAT SOME OF THE PROGRAM IS.
UH, BLUE LINE ACTUALLY CAME OUT AND CONDUCTED A SPEED STUDY, UM, IN THE, IN THE FOUR SCHOOL ZONES THAT WE DISCUSSED.
AND JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY WHAT THEY WERE, IT WAS WARREN COUNTY AND SKYLINE MIDDLE AS ROADS AND RUSTY JEFFRIES.
UM, SO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME, SOME NUMBERS, UM, THE, THE SPEED STUDY WAS DONE FROM THE 1ST OF MAY THROUGH THE 5TH OF MAY.
UM, AND IT WAS CONDUCTED FROM 7:30 AM TO 9:30 AM WHICH KIND OF COVERS THE MORNING.
UM, THEY DID LOOK AT IT FROM NINE 30 TO TWO 30 IN THE AFTERNOON, BUT THEN AGAIN AT TWO 30 TO FOUR 30.
AND THOSE ARE KIND OF THE TWO AREAS WHERE OBVIOUSLY MOST OF THE TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH, UM, OCCURS.
UM, SO THE VEHICLE COUNT, UH, AND I'M JUST GOING OFF OF THE AVERAGE FOR THESE, JUST TO GIVE US SOME ROUGH NUMBERS.
UM, FOR SKYLINE MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, AND AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF THE LARAY AVENUE TRACK.
UM, IN THE MORNING THEY WERE, UH, 2,526 VEHICLES FOR THAT WEEK.
41.3% OF THEM WERE GOING MORE THAN 10 MILES PER HOUR OVER SPEED LIMIT.
UM, IN THE EVENING THERE WERE 2000 SIX HUNDRED AND TWELVE, THIRTY SIX 0.1% OF THEM WERE EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT BY MORE THAN 10 MILES PER HOUR.
WHAT WAS THE PERCENTAGE FOR THE AFTERNOON? SORRY, 36.
AND THAT'S THE SKYLINE MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL, WHICH IS THE AREA WE'RE LOOKING AT, WAS LERO PARKWAY.
THERE WAS THE AUTO BOND
UM, SO THE MORNING NUMBERS, THERE WERE 3,484 VEHICLES.
32% OF WHICH WERE EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT BY MORE THAN 10 MILES PER HOUR.
UM, IN THE EVENING, UH, THERE WERE 4,784 VEHICLES.
UH, 49.3% OF WHICH WERE SPEEDING,
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UH, MORE THAN 10 MILES PER HOUR AS ROADS.UH, THE MORNING HOURS, 4,775 VEHICLES, 44.1% OF WHICH WERE SPEEDING.
AND IN THE AFTERNOON, UH, 7,905 VEHICLES, 68.4% OF WHICH WE'RE SPEEDING MORE THAN 10 MILES OVER THE SPEED LIMIT.
AND THEN RUSTY JEFFRIES, UH, 7 7 30 TO NINE 30, THERE WERE 3,774, UH, VEHICLES THAT WENT THROUGH IN THE MORNING, 66% OF WHICH WERE SPEEDING.
AND TWO 30 TO TO FOUR 30 IN THE AFTERNOON.
4,687 VEHICLES, 83.5% OF WHICH WERE EXCEEDING SPEED.
WHERE WAS THAT ROAD? THEY WERE ALL 10 MILES OVER HENDERSON.
MORE THAN 10 MILES OVER 11 OR OR HIGHER.
83.5, 83% AT, UH, RUSTY JEFFS.
AND THOSE KIDS WALKED FROM THE APARTMENT.
WELL, AND YOU GOT THE PARK THERE.
WHAT WAS COUNTY AGAIN? WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE WAS THE BEST ONE.
SO CHIEF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE, IF YOU'VE DONE RUN THE NUMBERS YET, BUT IF WE WERE TO COMPUTE EVERY ONE OF THOSE THAT EXCEEDED OVER 10, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO WHATEVER THOSE NUMBERS ARE, AND I'LL LISTEN TO THIS TOMORROW AND I'LL RUN MY OWN NUMBERS, UH, BECAUSE MY INTEREST IS WHAT'S THE INVESTMENT, WHAT'S THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT WITH THE CAMERAS? RIGHT? AND, AND WHAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT TO OTHERS IS WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS, RIGHT? HOW MANY TICKETS HAVE WE GIVEN IN THE PAST? RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND WHAT POTENTIAL IS THERE WITH THESE CAMERAS? UH, SO THOSE ARE VERY, SEE IT'S A LOT.
SO IF YOU THINK IN TERMS OF, IF WE HAD AN OFFICER OUT THERE PHYSICALLY MAKING TRAFFIC STOPS AND WRITING TICKETS, I MEAN, IT TAKES 10, 15 MINUTES TO 10 DO A TRAFFIC STOP.
REALISTICALLY, THEY'RE GONNA GO OUT THERE AND WRITE FOUR, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE TICKETS IN THE MORNING AND FOUR OR FIVE TICKETS IN THE EVENING.
THIS CAPTURES ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC.
AND UM, SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RETURN ON INVESTMENT YEAH.
THAT, THAT COP IN THAT CAR COSTS MONEY AND IT, AND IT'S ALSO AN OFFICER.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
AND WHEN I'VE GOT AN OFFICER SITTING AT THE HOSPITAL ON A YEP.
TDO MENTAL PATIENT AND THEY'RE RUNNING TWO CALLS, SOMETIMES I CAN GET ONE THERE.
SOMETIMES ANOTHER ONE A LITTLE WHILE AGO.
IT'S A FORCE MULTIPLIER FOR US.
I WANNA, I WANNA MAKE A COMMENT TOO, THOUGH.
I ONLY SAY THIS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE PEOPLE THAT WILL, UM, MISINTERPRET THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY HAVING RIGHT NOW.
THAT LIKE, I, I TOTALLY LIKE GET THE WHOLE, UH, INVESTMENT BANG FOR OUR BUCK.
BUT LIKE MY HEAD, WHEN Y'ALL STARTED SAYING THOSE NUMBERS, I WAS THINKING THERE'S CHILDREN IN THOSE CARS.
THERE'S CHILDREN, THERE'S BUSES GOING DOWN THROUGH THERE.
UM, AND SO I THINK LIKE THE SAFETY PIECE OF IT, I'M NOT SURE WE CAN PUT MONEY ON THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT.
THAT'S NOT, AND I, I WANTED, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SAID THAT, CUZ I KNOW WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, THAT WAS OUR WHOLE THING IS, IS THAT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT, IT'S A SCHOOL ZONE.
AND AS AMBER SAID, LIKE KIDS WALKING, I MEAN SKYLINE MIDDLE FOUR OF THOSE ARE WALKING.
BUT KEEP IN MIND, THAT'S NOT FAR OFF OF SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL.
WELL THE TRACK TEAM RUNS THE THERE.
AND SAME THING WITH WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL, TRACK KIDS, WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL'S, GOT A LOT OF BIKE RIDE ACTUALLY IS MY, UH, MY OFFICE FOR 15, 14 YEARS NOW HAS BEEN RIGHT ON CHESTER STREET ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE UH, UH, A PARKING LOT.
AND I CAN'T TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF TIMES I'VE CALLED PD RIGHT.
JUST TO SAY, HEY, THE 15 THING IS 15, UH, BLINKER IS ON.
AND YOU GOT GUYS FLYING DOWN THERE.
SO I AM, WHAT THIS DOES FOR ME ON CHESTER STREET IS TO KIND OF REINFORCE ALMOST HALF THE FRIGGING CARS CHIEF A THIRD ANYWAY.
ARE THEY 10, 11 MILES AN HOUR.
UM, AND IT'S OUR JOB, OUR, IT WILL BE OUR JOB TO ENSURE THAT WE LET THIS COMMUNITY KNOW HOW DRAMATIC THESE NUMBERS ARE.
IT, IT WHO CHIEF, WHO DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY BLUE ON SOLUTIONS CONDUCT
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THE STUDY.THEY PUT, THEY PUT, ESSENTIALLY THEY PUT CAMERAS AND THE SPEED AND COUNTERS UP YEAH.
TO SEE JUST TO, JUST TO TAKE A SNAPSHOT FROM I DO THAT.
UM, SO, AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, OKAY.
SO THE, UH, BREAKDOWN OF THE VIOLATORS, AND I'M JUST GONNA USE, UH, AS ROADS HERE AS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, OUT OF THE, I'M SORRY, MY, MY 1,775 IN THE MORNING.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU LOOK, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PIE CHART ON HERE.
UM, 268 VEHICLES WERE EXCEEDING 21 MILES AN HOUR OVER, OH, 2000.
I'M SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT MY GLASSES.
WE'RE GOING, UH, 15 TO 20 MILES PER HOUR OVER THE SPEED LIMIT.
AND THEN THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE, THE SPEED RIGHT HERE, OH, 4,800 WERE IN THE 1114.
SO ALL OF THESE NUMBERS ARE, AND THAT, SO THAT'S A BREAKDOWN OF THAT SCHOOL.
I'M SURPRISED THAT WAS THE HIGHEST ONE THAT WAS, THAT WASN'T WELL NO, RUSTY WAS THE HIGHEST.
OVER HALF OF THE SPEEDERS THERE WERE GOING, WERE EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT BY 21 MILES AN HOUR.
AND 20 ABOVE POST SPEED KREER KREER ROAD THOUGH, LIKE I THINK ABOUT COMING OFF 55 TURNING TO GET OUT TO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU'RE USING IT AS A BYPASS.
AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THAT'S THE SAME THING IN THE PM WITH, I IMAGINE WITH WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL, THE FACT THAT THERE'S 1300 MORE CARS THERE IN THE AFTERNOON.
THAT'S BECAUSE SHOOTING CROSS LEACH, THAT CAME OFF WITH 55 TO GO HOME.
AND I WOULD IMAGINE THE SAME THING WITH CHARLESBURG ROAD.
UM, SO COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WE WILL, YOU KNOW, CAUSE LET ME GIVE YOU, LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE, UH, LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKSTORY CUZ I, AGAIN, THIS IS ALL ABOUT SAFETY.
UM, WE'RE NOT, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT REVENUE BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COST OF CAMERAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO RANDY YEAH.
AND, UH, AND LET HIM KIND OF EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT BLUE LINE AND THE CONCEPT OF HOW, UH, WHAT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL LOOKS LIKE.
AND, AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'LL, I KNOW, I THINK THAT'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD IDEA OF, OF HOW THIS WILL ACTUALLY COME TO FRUITION AND, AND WORK FOR US.
SO EVERYTHING I WANNA SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT IS FROM A POSITION OF EXPERIENCE.
IT'S FROM A CAREER WITH STATE POLICE.
THERE'S NOT TOO MANY THINGS I HAVEN'T HANDLED WITH THE STATE POLICE WHEN I WORE THE UNIFORM AS A TROOPER AND A SERGEANT THROUGH THE RANKS.
SO THE BIG THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, AND I WANNA SAY THIS TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE I TRAVEL AROUND THE STATE AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS GONNA COME UP HERE, BUT IN CASE IT DOES WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS, PEOPLE REALLY GET UPSET WHEN THEY ARE TOLD IN THE COMMUNITY YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
SO I SIMPLY SAY THIS FROM EXPERIENCE AND I ASK YOU, THIS ISN'T A RHETORICAL QUESTION, IT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION.
WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT HAVING AN EXPECTATION OF SAFETY IN YOUR COMMUNITY THAT PEOPLE WOULD SIMPLY STAY 10 MILES AN HOUR OR BELOW THE POSTED SPEED IN THE SCHOOL ZONE? IS THAT TOO HIGH A STANDARD IN OUR CULTURE TODAY? YOU STOP AND THINK ABOUT THAT.
CAN I NOT SLOW DOWN AND RUN 35 FOR MAYBE 45 SECONDS TO 60 TO 90 SECONDS THROUGH A SCHOOL ZONE? AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE BRING UP.
SO LET ME JUST TELL YOU ABOUT SAFETY.
BLUE LINE IS OWNED AND OPERATED BY RETIRED AND FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT OUTTA CHATTANOOGA, TENNESSEE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT DREW ME TO THEIR ORGANIZATION WHEN THEY RECRUITED ME.
YOU HEAR A LOT ABOUT VETERAN OWNED MILITARY OWNED BUSINESSES.
YOU DON'T HEAR A LOT ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT OWNED THE COMPETITORS.
THE OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT SELL THESE TYPE OF PRODUCTS, THEY'RE FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES, THEY'RE CORPORATIONS.
AND ALL OF OUR GUYS ON THE GROUND ARE, ARE ENFORCEMENT JUST LIKE ME WHO CAN SPEAK TO SAFETY.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
I'LL GIVE YOU JUST TWO EXAMPLES.
WE GOT ABOUT ALMOST 40 OTHER AGENCIES IN THE STATE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW WITH COUNTY DUN AND WITH FIELD WE'RE 81 AND 77.
THAT'S WHERE I SPENT MOST OF MY CAREER, AS YOU CAN TELL BY MY ACCENT, RIGHT?
SO WITH COUNTY, THEY STARTED ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO.
AND I'LL SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THE PROCESS LONG BEFORE THE VERY FIRST SUMMONS EVER GETS EXECUTED, RIGHT? AS OF RIGHT NOW, SINCE THEY WENT LIVE, THEY'VE SAW A 94% DECREASE IN SPEED IN THEIR SCHOOL'S OFFICE.
THE TOWN OF BRIDGEWATER THAT NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE DOWN IN ROCKINGHAM COUNTY,
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THEY JUST FINISHED UP THEIR WARNING PERIOD, WHICH I'LL TOUCH ON WITH YOU GUYS.THEY SAW A 92% DECREASE IN SPEED.
SO WHEN THIS COMES TO FRUITION IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, THE VERY FIRST THING WE DO IS WE KICK OFF A 30 DAY PUBLIC INFORMATION AND EDUCATION CAMPAIGN.
THIS IS BUILT UPON THE NITSA, IT'S CLICK IT OR TICKET.
ALL OF US KNOW THE CLICK OR TICKET IF YOU LIVE LIVE LONG ENOUGH.
WE DON'T JUST GO OUT AND START WRITING TICKETS.
CUZ SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE LIKE, THIS IS A SPEED TRAP.
AND THE FIRST THING I SAY IS, WELL LET'S, LET'S DEFINE OUR TERMS. WHAT'S A SPEED TRAP?
WELL, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPEED TRIP, WELL THIS ISN'T THE SPEED TRIP BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA NOTIFY EVERYBODY OF WHAT'S COMING.
AND WE HAVE A MARKETING DEPARTMENT OUTTA CHATTANOOGA.
THIS IS LIKE JUST A VERY SMALL THING TO SHARE.
THEY GOT ALL THESE REALLY COOL LIKE MARKETING JETS THAT WORK.
YOU CAN GET THESE AS BIG AS YOU WANT TO AS SMALL SOCIAL MEDIA.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE TOWN, THE FRONT ROYAL SEAL, THE FRONT ROYAL PATCH, THE BADGE, EVERYTHING IS SAYING, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING AT FRONT ROYAL.
THIS IS OUT OF, WITH COUNTY, THERE'S ONE OF THEIR CRUISERS.
IT'S ALL CUSTOMIZED TO THE JURISDICTION TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS COMING, THIS IS COMING, THIS IS COMING AFTER THE 30 DAY WARNING OR THE UH, PUBLIC INFORMATION PERIOD.
WE THEN HAVE A 30 DAY WARNING PERIOD.
EVERYBODY THAT GETS CAUGHT FOR SPEEDING ON THE PHOTO SPEED LIDAR SYSTEMS, THEY SIMPLY GET A WARNING IN THE MAIL AFTER THAT 30 DAY PERIOD.
THAT'S WHEN THE ENFORCEMENT STARTS ALL OF THE CITATION PROCESSING.
THEY HAVE A HUGE N OOC KNOCK CENTER NETWORK OPERATIONS AND CHAT.
SO IF I COME THROUGH FRONT ROYAL, I GET A SUMMONS, I'M NOTIFIED FROM BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS.
I PAY MY FINE TO BLUE LINE SOLUTIONS.
NOW EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT IS DIRECTLY PREDICATED ON CODER VIRGINIA 46 2 8 8 2 0.1.
AND IN 2020 THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY GAVE EVERY SINGLE JURISDICTION IN THE STATE, COUNTY, CITY, TOWN, THEY GAVE YOU GUYS THE ABILITY TO USE PHOTOS, FEED ENFORCEMENT TO TAKE NET TECHNOLOGY AND LEVERAGE IT.
I CALL THAT THE FLINTSTONE AGE OF POLICING.
THAT'S FLINTSTONES, RIGHT? YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE FLINTSTONES ARE.
I CAN LOOK AT YOU AND TELL YOU'ALL KNOW WHO THE FLINTSTONES ARE.
WE'RE NOW, WE'RE IN THE AGE OF JETS, RIGHT?
SO WE'RE TAKING ALL THAT TECHNOLOGY AND TURNING IT LIKE THE CHIEF SAID, A FORCE MULTIPLIER WITH BLUE LINE.
WELL, CODE OF VIRGINIA SAYS THAT THE PENALTY OR THE FINE FOR THESE VIOLATIONS WILL NOT EXCEED $100.
YOU ALREADY HAVE A LOCAL ORDINANCE HERE IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL THAT HAS ADOPTED 46.2 C O V, WHICH ENCOMPASSES EVERY TRAFFIC THING.
EVERY SUMMONS THAT'S ISSUED FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL WOULD COME BACK TO PER CODE OF VIRGINIA TO FRONT ROYAL.
AND ALL OF THOSE PROCEEDS THE REVENUE OF THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO OBEY THE LAW.
AND I CAN SPEAK VERY AUTHORITATIVELY THAT IF PEOPLE GET LIKE, AH, I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE GETTING TICKETS.
YOU DIDN'T OBEY THE LAW AND YOU KNEW THAT WE WERE TAKING THIS STANCE IN FRONT ROYAL.
SO $75 OF EVERY SUMMONS ISSUED COMES BACK TO FRONT ROYAL.
YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA CRUNCH NUMBERS LATER, $25 GOES TO BLUE LINE FOR ALL THE PROCESSING FEES OF EVERYTHING.
AND EVENTUALLY AT A MINIMUM OF 24 MONTHS, IT WILL START PAYING OFF ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE COME IN.
WE PUT UP EVERYTHING TOP SPEC STANDARDS OF EVERYTHING.
AND THERE'S ZERO COST TO FRONT ROYAL, NONE.
HE TOLD US IN HIS FIRST PRESENTATION, HE DID A GOOD JOB.
WELL HE LEARNED EVERYTHING FROM ME, SIR.
SO I WILL TELL YOU THIS ALSO, UH, ALL OF THE OTHER VENDORS THAT SELL THESE TYPES OF MODELS OF STUFF, I'M NOT A BUSINESS DUDE, BUT
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I DO THINK A LOT ABOUT COMMON SENSE.WHEN YOU GO WITH THEM AND YOU TAKE THEIR PHOTO SPEED EQUIPMENT, YOU PAY A LEASE FEE ON EACH CAMERA PER MONTH.
SO IF FRONT OIL GOES WITH 10 CAMERAS, YOU'RE PAYING AROUND THREE TO $3,500 A MONTH.
THERE ARE NO LEASE FEES ON ANYTHING THAT BLUE LINE DOES.
THE CEO, FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT DOWN OUT OF TENNESSEE, WORK WITH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.
HE'S LIKE, WE'RE NOT REALLY ABOUT MAKING MONEY OR WE'RE GONNA MAKE MONEY.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT THERE IS DRIVING DOWN THOSE SPEEDS.
NOW I'LL STOP AND LET YOU GUYS COME UP FOR AIR AND I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU GOT.
SO WHAT, WHAT MONEY ARE WE PUTTING UP FIRST? WHAT? NOTHING.
THEY DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE AFTER 24 MONTHS.
THAT'S NOT, IT BEGINS TO PAY IT OFF.
BUT IN HERE IT HAS, ON OUR NOTICE THING IT SAYS THE PHONE CALL FROM HUNDRED AND 12,500.
SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I'M CONFUSED.
IT'S THE PROJECTED REVENUE THAT B THAT BJ OKAY.
WELL JUST KIND OF ROUGH CRUNCHING NUMBERS.
SO THAT'S, SO, SO WE WOULD NOT, THERE'S NO MONEY UP FRONT.
I OBVIOUSLY MISINTERPRETED CITY COUNCILMAN WHEN THEY PRESENTED, THEY SAID NO.
YEAH, I THOUGHT THAT WE THOUGHT THAT TOO.
BUT THEN I WAS LIKE, WELL WAIT A SECOND HERE.
SO, SO, AND THEN WHEN HE SAID THAT, SO BASICALLY THERE'S NO COST TO US.
I'M GONNA CONSIDER IT A SAVINGS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GONNA HAVE TO HAVE AS MANY OFFICERS IN EACH OF THOSE SCHOOL ZONES AND THAT TYPE STUFF.
I'M WAITING FOR THE TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.
IT'S NOT ABOUT, IT'S NOT ABOUT REVENUE.
WE'RE WE'RE, I KNOW THAT AFTER COMPLIANCE, NOT COMPENSATION.
LISTEN, THAT'S WHY I SAID THAT IN THE BEGINNING, THAT COMPLIANCE, NOT COMPENSATION.
I LOVE, THAT WAS IN THE, IN THE LINE THERE WAS A STATEMENT ABOUT, UH, AN IMPLEMENTATION OF AUTOMATED SPEED ENFORCEMENT SYSTEM FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL WILL BE $75,000 FOR INSTALL.
SO THAT'S THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THAT IS SOME CONFUSION.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT BLUE LINE SPENDS ON AVERAGE PER FIXED LOCATION IS AROUND $75,000.
AND IT COMES RIGHT OUT OF OUR, YOU'RE NOT BILLED FOR IT WHATSOEVER.
SO IN A COUPLE YEARS, THAT'S WHEN YOU GUYS ARE GETTING THE $25, THAT'S WHERE IT MIGHT TURN TO A SITUATION.
AND WE HAVE A LARGE ENOUGH WHAT YOU, WE HAVE A LARGE ENOUGH PROGRAM IN VIRGINIA AND OTHER STATES THAT WE'RE LIKE, OH MY GOSH, IF WE DON'T MAKE OUR MONEY BACK IN FRONT, ROYAL, WE'RE GOOD.
SO LEMME JUST SAY SOMETHING ON RISK VERSUS REWARD.
CUZ THIS IS A BUSINESS THING THAT YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
AND I'M NOT A BUSINESS DUDE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE'S ZERO RISK ON THIS.
UH, I, I HAVE TOO MUCH INTEGRITY AS A RETIRED MEMBER OF THE STATE POLICE THAT I'M NOT GONNA GET UP AND TRY TO SELL YOU ALL SOME SNAKE OIL.
THERE'S ZERO RISK, BUT THERE'S A TON OF REWARD FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE.
I MEAN, I FORGET THE LITTLE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT YOU GO OVER THE RIVER AND UP ON THE HILL.
I'VE DONE SO MANY SPEED SURVEYS, BUT I TOLD HIM AND THE CAPTAIN, I WAS LIKE, DUDE, THAT BLEW MY MIND IN THAT LITTLE TWO-LANE SECTION, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS AND THERE'S A TRAILER PARK.
SO THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN, WHEN, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY DOING THIS AUTOMATED SPEED ENFORCEMENT IN SCHOOL ZONES.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO SPEED TRAFFIC.
WE'RE NOT TAKING EVEN EVERYTHING.
THESE WERE THE, THESE WERE THE FIRST ONES THAT WE STARTED WITH CUZ THEY'RE KIND OF THE HIGH, HIGHER SPEED, HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS.
BUT IT, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT REVENUE.
BUT WE WERE KIND OF THINKING, I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH JOE AND BJ, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, APPLYING THOSE FUNDS BACK TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
MAYBE IT'S JUST, MAYBE IT'S A SIDEWALK DOWN SIDEWALK ON DOWN CREER ROAD.
YOU GUYS WERE ALREADY THINKING ABOUT THAT.
EVERY OTHER JURISDICTION THAT WE WORK WITH IN VIRGINIA AND OTHER STATES, THAT'S THE FIRST THING THEY DO WITH THE REVENUE IS PUT IT RIGHT BACK INTO THE EDUCATION SYSTEM, THE COMMUNITY.
AND HONESTLY, IF YOU STILL HAVE NAYSAYERS WHO ARE CRYING ABOUT THAT, DID YOU QUIT SPEEDING? YEAH.
THE, UH, THE CAMERAS ARE GOING TO BE PRESET FOR, FOR 10 AND ABOVE.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO WHAT IT IS THAT OPERATES OFF OF A LIDAR SYSTEM.
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TROOPERS, THE DEPUTIES, THE CITY GUYS RUNNING THE HANDHELD.SO THERE'S ALWAYS A LIDAR BEING, BEING EMITTED ACROSS THAT ROADWAY WHEREVER THE CAMERA SITTING.
THE ONLY TIME THAT IT'S CAPTURING VIOLATIONS IS WHEN THE FLASHING SCHOOL SIGNS.
SO TWO HOURS IN A MORNING, TWO WHATEVER, NOT ONLY FOR 10 MILES PER HOUR OVER.
THAT'S MY, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
SO IT CAPTURES ALL THE SPEEDS.
IT'S PINGING ALL THE SPEEDS AND TAKING THOSE PHOTOS OF THE, SO ALL THESE PEOPLE GETTING TICKETS OR ONLY THOSE ABOVE 10 MILES AN HOUR, 11 MILES AND OVER.
SO IF I'M, I'M JOTTING MY WAY ALONG SEVEN MILES.
SO WHEN YOU SAY PRECINCT, YES.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A TICKET.
DID GEORGE, HEY, YOU JUST READ THAT? NO, I'M JUST THINKING THAT WHERE YOU SEE THE CONTRACT.
WELL WILL IT, WILL IT SHOW THE, ACTUALLY SHOW THE SPEED TO THE MM-HMM.
YOU'LL SEE THE SPEED NOW, NOW TICKET IF YOU'RE DRIVING UNDER THE SPEED LIMIT, IT WON'T FLASH.
IT WON'T FLASH THE, IF YOU'RE NOT SPEEDING 10 OR ABOVE, YOU'RE NOT EVEN, YOU'RE NOT EVEN ON THE RADAR OF ANYTHING.
HEY, YOU MEAN WILL THE SIGN FLASH THE SPEED LIMIT YOU'RE GOING? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
SO WE, THAT'S ONE THING WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED.
THIS IS WHAT SETS US APART FROM ALL THE OTHER VENDORS.
YOU ALSO, IF THE TOWN WANTS TO GO WITH IT, SOME JURISDICTIONS LIKE WE DON'T WANT IT.
BLUE LINE ALSO PLACES THE DIGITAL FEEDBACK SIGN.
THAT SHOWS YOUR SPEED AS WELL.
RIGHT? YOU GOT HOW MUCH IS THAT'S FREE? WHY DON'T SOME PEOPLE WANT IT? CAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER QUESTION.
SOME IF I GO BY AND I'M OVER, I'M LIKE, OH, I'M GONNA TAKE A PICTURE WHEN I DRIVE THERE.
BUT I DON'T GO NEAR ANY OF THOSE.
IT'S LIKE, WE'LL DO SOME SLANG.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A NO-BRAINER.
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS BEEN VERY GOOD ABOUT SAYING, HEY GUYS, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, DO IT.
THEY LET MARILYN TRY IT OUT FOR THE FIRST 10 YEARS.
GEORGE WANT GEORGE WANTS TO RESPOND ON THE RECORDS.
UM, DID GEORGE SEE THE CONTRACT? WELL, I, MY ANSWER IS I'VE GIVEN IT A QUICK RUN THROUGH.
BUT IS ON THE COOPERATIVE PROCUREMENT MM-HMM.
IT'S UNDER COOPERATIVE, UH, PROCUREMENT.
SO IT'S ALREADY BEEN VETTED BY, I GUESS WITH COUNTY, EVERYBODY'S RIDING THE RIDER OFF OF WITH COUNTY, LITERALLY EVERYBODY.
AND EVERYBODY SAYS THE SMART PEOPLE LIKE YOU GUYS.
CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW ALL THAT WORKS, PROCUREMENT, BUT THEY'RE LIKE, WE DON'T NEED TO REINVENT THE WHEEL.
I'LL, I'LL FIND SOMETHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WE WILL DEFER TO WHATEVER YOU SAY.
HOW ABOUT THAT? AND GEORGE AND I HAVE MET PREVIOUSLY, SO WE'RE KIND OF PAYING, THESE ARE TRAFFIC FOR I THINK, I MEAN AFTER, AFTER BEING RETIRE, RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT.
I'M TELLING YOU THIS WOULD BE THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID IT'S GONNA, IT IS GONNA SAVE HIM.
THAT'S WHY SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING WITH IT.
THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE WHOLE YEP.
WELL THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE THERE TOO, ESPECIALLY ON RUSTY IN PLACES LIKE THAT, PULLING SOMEBODY OVER THERE.
UNLESS THEY PULL INTO THE SCORE THE APARTMENTS, IT'S A NARROW ROAD.
YOU'RE OPEN THE OFFICER UP TO RISK OF BEING HIT.
YOU GOT A, YOU GOT A COP, MAKE A TRAFFIC STOP ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
EVERYBODY'S DRIVING DOWN THERE.
WILLIE LOOKING AT TE DID YOU FIND THIS, DID YOU FIND THIS SURFACE? I THINK IT'S AWESOME BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ON THIS COUNCIL, LIKE COUNCIL'S BEFORE US STORM WORKING AT LIKE, TAKING YEARS TO COME TO FRUITION.
WE HAD A LOT OF FATALITY, PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS, UH, IN YEARS PRIOR.
AND COUNCILMAN SEAK INITIATED A PEDESTRIAN THAT WAS HIS WHOLE, YOU KNOW, TENURE ON COUNCIL MM-HMM.
AND SO WE SPENT ALL THIS MONEY ON SHENANDOAH AVENUE, PLACES LIKE THAT.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE SCHOOLS WERE OVERLOOKED.
SO THIS SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST CATCHING UP.
HEY, COUNCIL, COUNCIL, MAYOR, COUNCIL.
THAT'S A GOOD, SAY COUNCILMAN ROGERS WANTED TO GO AHEAD.
UH, THE MAYOR ASKED ABOUT ABOUT MONEY.
AND I'M INTERESTED IN MONEY AS WELL.
SO YOU WERE SAYING THAT THERE'S NO UPFRONT COST ZERO AND IT'S COMING OUT OF THE 75 25.
IS THAT WHERE THAT MONEY'S COMING FROM? THAT'S CORRECT.
MY GOSH, THIS IS A EXCUSE NOT SO I SAW YOUR PIE CHART, RIGHT.
JUST THAT CURIOSITY, NO CHANCE AT
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ALL THAT IF SOMEBODY'S GOING OVER LIKE RECKLESS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET A TICKET FOR RECKLESS.THEY'RE GETTING A HUNDRED DOLLARS CIVIL PENALTY.
WHAT? PLEASE I SAY THAT I KNOW, I KNOW HOW THIS COULD GET, UH, UM, GET MISCONSTRUED.
AND SO, AND, AND, AND FOR THE RECORD, LIKE YOU SAID ABOUT PEOPLE PUSHBACK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN PUSHBACK BECAUSE THEY HEARD FROM THE LAST GROUP.
WE, WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEVER DRIVING IN FRONT ROYAL.
I'M LIKE, SO THE BIG THING IS I KNOW, I I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT.
THAT'S ALL I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT OF PUSHBACK.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I WANNA FOCUS ON, IS THAT IT'S A HUNDRED DOLLARS A CIVIL PENALTY.
THERE'S NO POINTS AGAINST THEM ON THEIR RECORD.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND MORE THAN LIKELY IT'S THE, THE REVENUE'S GONNA GO INTO SOME FORM OF EITHER PUBLIC SAFETY OR YOUTH.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT SCHOOLS TOO.
SO CAN Y'ALL THINK OF ANYTHING? MY LAST QUESTION WAS THAT, GO AHEAD.
NO, MY LAST QUESTION WAS, OH, I WAS LAUGHING.
MY LAST QUESTION WAS, THEY SAID IT WON'T BE ON DURING SCHOOL TIME.
SO LIKE IN THE SUMMER BREAK IT WON'T BE ON A CHRISTMAS BREAK, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO WE'LL HAVE A POC WITH A PD POINT OF CONTACT.
WE WILL KNOW ALL THE VACATION.
WE'LL KNOW IF THERE'S A SNOW DAY.
WHOEVER THE POC, THEY'RE GONNA LET BLUE LINE, THERE'S NO SUMMONS ISSUE FOR THAT.
THAT'S WHERE THE GOOD COMMS COME IN AND EVERYTHING RUNS VERY SEAMLESSLY.
WHEN YOU EDUCATE PEOPLE, WHEN YOU EDUCATE A POPULACE, YOU CAN GIVE THEM THE FACTS, WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE, ALL THE GOOD THINGS.
SOME PEOPLE DON'T CARE, BUT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, EVEN IF THEY ARE BEGRUDGING IN A WAY, THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, I AGREE.
I HAVE TO RESPECT WHO ARGUES WITH SAFETY IN SCHOOL ZONES.
IT'S LIKE CHEVROLET THING HAS SAID BEFORE, LIKE, WHAT DO YOU, OH YES.
THAT YOU ALL HAD FROM MAY 1ST TO FIFTH.
AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE FIFTH KIDS WEREN'T EVEN IN SCHOOL IN THE DAY.
SO, UM, SO DURING THAT WEEK OR WHATEVER, I, UM, I HOPE I WANT YOU TO, YOU KNOW, I WANT YOU TO HOLD ONTO THOSE STATS MM-HMM.
I'M SAYING TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY, TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO PEOPLE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THESE, THESE STATS ARE THE REASON WHY WE NEED TO ADDRESS SAFETY IN THE SCHOOL ZONES.
AND SO WHAT'S THE SCHOOL SPEED LIMIT IN AS ROADS? THEY'RE, WELL THEY'RE ALL 15.
SO THERE WERE 2000 PEOPLE, MORE THAN 2001 21 MILES PER HOUR OVER THAT.
AND 48, YOU'VE GOT THE PIE CHART.
21 OR 11 6 21 11 WAS 41% AND 68% IN THE AFTERNOON.
OVER 2000 PEOPLE WENT OVER 21 MILES PER HOUR OVER.
AND, AND WHAT KIND OF BOTHERS ME IS THERE'S STILL ONLY GONNA GET POPPED FOR THAT SUCK A HUNDRED BUCKS.
WHAT'S THE RATIONALE FOR THAT? THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY RECKLESS DRIVING 20 PLUS IN A FRIGGING SCHOOL ZONE.
THAT'S A LEGISLATIVE THING FROM THE GA THAT SOME, I DON'T KNOW.
SO YOU GUYS, SO WE ARE BOUND IF WE USE THAT THAT'S RIGHT.
TO MAKE IT LIKE FULL, I CAN STILL GO OUT TO BE PERSON.
I WAS GONNA SAY THAT CAN, AS AN OFFICER CAN, CAN STILL OCCUR NOW IF A LEO FROM FRONT ROYAL CATCHES SOMEONE RUNNING THAT YEAH.
IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PENALTY ACCORDING TO CODE.
IT'S GOING TO BE A RECKLESS DRIVING, IT'S GOING TO PING THEIR INSURANCE, IT'S GONNA PING DEPOSIT ALL THOSE THINGS.
BUT UNDER THE PHOTO SPEED, THE INANIMATE OBJECT FLAT 100.
NOW MY QUICK QUESTION, IF COUNSEL WAS TO APPROVE THIS ON JUNE 26TH YES.
REALISTICALLY, WHEN WILL WE BE ABLE TO DEPLOY? I'M GLAD YOU ASKED.
I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU THAT YOU GUYS ARE AN ANOMALY IN A VERY GOOD WAY BECAUSE THE TOWN IS IN CONTROL OF ALL THE CITY STREETS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH VDOT.
LIKE I JUST, TRUST ME, THE FACT THAT VDOT IS OUTTA THE EQUATION, WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE EVERYTHING UP AND RUNNING BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING, UH, WE HAVE A GUY WHO WORKS FOR BLUE LINE THAT LIVES DOWN IN VILLE, WHO'S A FORMER ENGINEER WITH VDOT.
HE KNOWS ALL THE INTRICACIES I'VE GOT HIM ON STANDBY OF ONCE THE CONTRACT IS SIGNED ONCE YOU GUYS AGREE, PROBABLY BY EARLY NOVEMBER.
AND THAT WOULD GIVE YOU TIME TO ABSORB THE 30 DAY HERE.
YOU'VE YOU'VE CONVINCED ME THAT UH, THE THE 90, 94%, 92%, I MEAN I CAN SEE THE BELL CURVE'S
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GONNA GO LIKE THIS AND THEN IT'S GOING, IT'S GONNA SLIDE.HUMAN BEHAVIOR'S GOING TO IMPACT EVERY BIT OF THAT.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
I MEAN THAT GOAL IS TO REDUCE THE SPEEDING.
IT WILL, I'M CONVINCED IT WILL HAPPEN.
AND IT TOOK HOW LONG TO, TO SIX MONTHS HAVE.
I DIDN'T NEITHER TALK SPORTY FROM, SO THE BIG THING WITH YOU GUYS, ONCE YOU GET TO THAT POINT THAT YOU MAKE THAT DECISION, UH, THE CHIEF AND I'LL BE STAND WELL I'LL BE STANDING BY HEAR WORD FROM THE CHIEF ONCE WE GET THE CONTRACT AND ONCE WE GET THE APPROVED TIMES THAT WE WANT ENFORCEMENT.
THAT'S WHERE IT'S TRICKY TOO BECAUSE LIKE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS HAVE A DIFFERENT TIME, BUT YOU, YOU'RE USED TO THAT.
RIGHT? LIKE SAGAR START TIMES, WE CAN SET 'EM FOR THEY, WE CAN SET 'EM TO START AND STOP WHEN WHENEVER WE CHOOSE.
AND THE CODE OF VIRGINIA ALSO, AND PLEASE DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR THIS, I KNOW GEORGE AND I DISCUSSED THIS UNDER 46 2 8 73.
IT GIVES YOU THE AUTONOMY AS THE GOVERNING BODY TO OPEN UP THOSE HOURS FOR AN ACTIVE SCHOOL ZONE WHENEVER YOU DEEM NECESSARY OR APPROPRIATE WHEN CHILDREN ARE, THEY'RE, WAS IT WHEN GAMES YOU WANNA TELL ME ABOUT FOOTBALL PRACTICE WHERE SOMEBODY GRADUATIONS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
IT CAN BE, THERE'S SOME JURISDICTIONS ON FRIDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL, THEY'RE ON A FOUR-LANE HIGHWAY.
AND THEY'VE GOT THE SIGNS BLINKING THEN TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.
THAT WOULD BE A DECISION FOR YOU GUYS TO MAKE.
BASED ON THOSE TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO I, I WILL SAY ONE THING, WE'D BE BETTER OFF.
WELL, HOWEVER YOU START, THAT'S PROBABLY HOW, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, IF WE START OFF WITH A THREE HOUR WINDOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE TOUGH IF YOU STARTED OFF WITH A TWO HOUR WINDOW AND THEN WENT TO A THREE HOUR WINDOW.
I'M JUST SAYING CUZ THEN PEOPLE WOULD BE LIKE, WELL, AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
EVEN THOUGH YOUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT START TIME.
YOU DON'T WANNA MAKE, YOU DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA PLAY STU THE CHUNK WITH PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO KIND OF BUILD IN THAT TIME TO BE THE SAME FOR BOTH SCHOOLS.
EVEN IF IT'S MAYBE A LITTLE LONGER FOR THE HIGH SCHOOLS BECAUSE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ARE, YOU WANNA MAKE IT HIGH SCHOOLS.
YOU WANNA MAKE IT HIGH SCHOOLS AREN'T EVEN IN HERE.
WE TALKED ABOUT WE'LL COME BACK IN THE FALL.
IF YOU HAVE SOME OTHER TROUBLE OR HOT SPOTS.
WE COME BACK AND DO SOME MORE SPEED SURVEYS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS? LIKE NOW WOULD BE THE TIME.
ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S GET IT IN.
SO AS I ALWAYS TRY TO DO
BUT IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL ARE IN A POSITION RIGHT NOW TO SAY, TO MOVE THIS TO UH, AN ACTION ON JUNE 26TH? SHOULD WE ASKING STAFF TO DO THAT? YES.
YOU WANT A ROLL CALL? NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT
NO, I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND NO, I'M JUST SAYING.
SO THAT ALL, SO JOE, THAT'S ONE ITEM FOR THE JUNE 26 AGENDA.
SO THANK YOU TO THOSE THAT ARE WAITING.
UM, CUZ I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE WAITED, SO THANKS.
SERGEANT THREE A IS THE UPDATE FROM NBR SADDLE CCRS FOR THE REZONING APPLICATION AMENDMENT.
I'M GONNA SCREENSHOT THIS AND SEND IT FOR, OKAY, HERE TEXT ME PER ALL.
SO THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED, UM, BASICALLY JUST A REVISED SET OF PROFFERS AND THEN A PLAN D LAYOUT FOR RESULTS REVIEW.
UM, AND THIS IS IN CASE THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER DOES NOT DEDICATE THAT RIGHT OF WAY ACCESS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT WOULD START THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR.
SO THIS KIND OF GIVES THEM A CONTINGENCY AND ALLOWS US TO MOVE THE PROCESS FORWARD AND THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT.
I JUST WANTED TO KEEP THIS QUICK AND THEN I CAN TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYBODY ON COUNCIL WHO HAS A PARTICULAR QUESTION ABOUT THIS, UH, REZONING APPLICATION QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT THIS POINT? ANYBODY HAVE ANY? UM, WELL I'LL JUST SAY, UH, THAT, UM, I BELIEVE THIS WAS COVERED.
WE, IT WAS SORT OF COVERED IN THE INITIAL, THE LAST UM, WE MET, WE CHANGED IT CHANGED IT A LITTLE BIT
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YEAH.TO SAY THAT THE EVENT THAT THE PROPERTY AND IT DEDICATED TO THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR.
YEAH, BUT I, I THINK THAT THAT THAT WAS UM, MAY 23RD.
THAT WAS, UH, DISCUSSED ON MY WORK.
POINTED OUT IT WAS CHANGED MAY 23RD.
UH, IT WAS JUST IN DISCUSSION, UM, ON, ON THE LAST TIME THAT THEY WERE HERE AT A WORK SESSION.
DOES ANYONE ELSE RECALL? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE GENTLEMAN WHO SAID IT'S HIS LAND AND THEY HAD TO WORK THAT OUT? YES.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES.
SO HEY, I'M VERY WELL AWARE I'VE MET WITH THAT LANDOWNER BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THERE WAS NOW CONCERNS WITH THE LAND NOT BEING DEDICATED.
I MEAN IT JUST, YOU KNOW, BUT THIS REVISED PROPER SAYS IT DOESN'T, THAT'S WHAT THIS REVISED PROPER IS ABOUT 2.9 PAGE THREE.
THEY WANT AN OPTION IS BASICALLY YEAH.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT FOR THIS DEVELOPER, IT JUST FOR THOSE WATCHING AT HOME AND FOR THE PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT'S LIKE I MENTIONED IN THE LAST WORK SESSION, THE ROAD TO NOWHERE.
SO COUNSEL WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE OTHER LANDOWNERS WERE ENGAGED IN AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY WOULD DO THEIR PORTION.
SO NOW THE ROAD TO NOWHERE IS LOOKING LIKE IT'S MORE AND MORE PROBABLE THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR SITE PLANS, WENT THROUGH ALL OF THIS TO NOW LIKELY HAVE JUST FLIPPED THE ROAD ON THE OTHER SIDE FOR NOTHING.
JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF WHAT THIS MEANS,
THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING AT ALL.
IT'S THE OTHER LANDOWNERS THAT ARE POSSIBLY GOING TO, AND I MEAN THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR LAND AS WELL.
IT'S JUST PROBABLY FRUSTRATING TO HAVE DELAYED THIS SUBSTANTIALLY TO JUST FLIP THE ROAD ON THE OTHER SIDE IN A PROPER DOZEN DOES INCLUDE OR STATE THAT UM, IN THE EVENT THAT THIS MOVES OR THAT THEY DON'T GET THE RIGHT OF WEIGHT DEDICATION, THEY WILL END UP PROFFERING ENDING 35, UH, 51 TO THE SCHOOLS' PER UNIT.
AGAIN, THE SCHOOL PROFFER WOULD COME BACK, WHICH WAS TAKEN AWAY, UH, DUE TO THE COST OF STARTING.
I GOT A QUESTION WHEN WE TALKED.
UM, ARE YOU TALK, YOU TALKING ABOUT FLIPPING THE ROAD, YOU GONNA TAKE IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SUBDIVISION? NO, THAT'S THE NEW ONE.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUBDIVISION.
WAYNE, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, THAT'S BASICALLY BACK TO THE ORIGINAL.
IT'S, I I THINK I READ 130, IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK THE PLAN B CONCEPT AS 130 AND THEN I THINK THE CONCEPT WITH THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR HAS 128.
AND THIS ISN'T A DEFINITE, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT MOVING FORWARD IN JULY, UM, THEORETICALLY.
SO THIS JUST GIVES THEM A, A CONTINGENCY.
BUT I STILL SAY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND WE HAD TALKED ON THE PHONE ABOUT IT.
UM, IF WE, IF WE DON'T GET THIS EASTWEST CONNECTOR STARTED, UM, THE SECOND ENTRANCE WILL NOT EXIST.
THE THE TWO ENTRANCES THAT WE, WE SHOWED BEFORE WERE GOING INTO THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR ARE ONLY ROAD FRONTAGES ALONG SHENANDOAH SHORES.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER DRAWING THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLAN B IS AS LAUREN REFERRED TO IT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE OUR ONLY ACCESS CUZ IT'S THE ONLY ACCESS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
AND BY THE WAY, WE, WE CONTINUE TO, TO BE OPTIMISTIC, WE WE NOT ONLY INSTRUCTED OUR ENGINEERS TO DRAW THE PLAT THAT GOES ALONG WITH, WITH THE START OF THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR AND THE GRAVEL SECOND ENTRANCE AND SO ON.
BUT YOU CORRECTLY RECOMMENDED, UM, ALL THAT IS IS IN THE HANDS OF OUR NEIGHBOR AND, AND WE CONTINUE TO BE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT IT AND THINK THAT IT'S NOT ONLY GOOD FOR THE TOWN, BUT BUT FOR HIM.
BUT WE ALSO IN THE COMMENT WAS RAISED AT THE WORK SESSION WILL WHAT HAPPENS IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN? ABSOLUTELY.
AND WE, WE CAN ONLY CONTROL WHAT WE CONTROL.
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THAT.UM, AND YOU, WE ALSO DID SPEAK JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF EVERYONE'S BENEFIT, THAT WE'VE GOT A WIDE ENOUGH AREA FOR THAT ENTRANCE THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD CREATE A, A MEDIAN OR SOME KIND OF A SEPARATED ROAD NETWORK.
SO WE WOULDN'T END UP WITH THE SCENARIO YOU DESCRIBED WHERE IT'S BLOCKED.
YOU COULD STILL GET IN THE OTHER WAY.
AND, AND THAT'S PART OF, AS LAUREN REFERS TO IT, PLAN B NOW, IS THAT GONNA BE A PART OF CONSTRUCTION THAT DURING CONSTRUCTION YES.
SO WE CAN SEE A TIMELINE ON THAT THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT.
MY CONCERN IS I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE EAST WEST IS DEVELOPED CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS, UH, OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I DON'T WANNA SEE A DEVELOPMENT AND NOTHING BEING ADDRESSED ON, ON THE ROADWAYS.
I MEAN THAT, THAT'S A KILLER FOR ME.
I'LL BE VERY UPFRONT SO THAT WHAT WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS LET'S MOVE FORWARD, LET'S SAY ON THIS DEVELOPMENT CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE EAST WEST.
I'D LIKE TO SEE A PLAN, I WANT TO SEE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE HOMES AND THE INGRESS EGRESS AND, AND AND WHAT'S THAT GONNA LOOK LIKE? THE ONLY THE REALITY OF THAT IS YES SIR.
IF THE QUESTION WAS RAISED, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOUR NEIGHBOR DOESN'T CONVEY THE PROPERTY? IF THAT OCCURS, THEN YOUR DESIRE CAN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE WE DON'T CONTROL THEIR PROPERTY.
WE'RE HAPPY TO PROFFER TO BUILD IN THE DRAINAGE AND START THE ROAD AND SO ON.
AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, AND I HATE TO TALK NEGATIVELY, BUT WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT ALL OF OUR UNDERSTAND OPTIONS.
THEN WE, WE, WE HAVE TO GO TO PLAN B.
WE GOTTA WORK WITHIN THE, THE LAND THAT WE, WE CONTROL AND OWN AND WE DO HAVE ROAD FRONTAGE TO SHENANDOAH SHORES.
WE'VE GOT AN APPROVED ENTRANCE.
THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER YOU'LL REMEMBER DID THIS STUDY AND SAID IT WORKED AND WE STILL HAVE AMAZING TOMA LEVEL OF SERVICE B, WHICH IS OFF THE CHARTS GRADE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
SO THE QUESTION WAS RAISED, IT WAS A GREAT QUESTION.
AND THIS, THIS ALLOWS FOR BOTH OF THOSE SCENARIOS.
BUT OUR PLAN A IS TO DO THE BEGINNING OF THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR.
YOU JUST NEED A LITTLE HELP FROM OUR NEIGHBOR AND ALL HE'S GOTTA DO IS EXECUTE THAT DEED, WHICH IS BY THE WAY, DEDICATING IT TO YOU.
AND THEN WE WOULD DO THE WORK WITHIN THAT PUBLIC WAY.
AND HE HAS THAT DEED, WE PROVIDED THE DEED YEAH.
BUT THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER BEYOND HIM.
SO THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF JUST YOU GUYS.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER.
EVERYBODY THROUGH THERE HAS TO BE WILLING TO PLAY GOLF.
I MEAN THEY'RE JUST DOING THEIR PART IN THIS.
UM, LIKE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ORIGINALLY, LIKE AT YOUR FIRST PART, LIKE I WAS LISTENING TO ALL THAT AND I WAS LIKE, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA.
I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS FIRST CAME BEFORE US AND WE HAD A LOT OF CONCERN FROM CITIZENS AND CONCERNS OF OUR OWN ABOUT SAFETY AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
AFTER THAT, THE IDEA, YOU KNOW, UM, NVR WAS WILLING TO HELP START THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR ROAD AND WE WERE ALL LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS IS WHAT WOULD WOULD WE'RE HELP MAKING HIGHWAY.
OUR CITIZENS WOULD SEE THAT AS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD MAKE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THEIR FEARS ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THESE SAFETY ISSUES AND, AND NOBODY CAN PREDICT WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS GONNA DO BECAUSE THAT IS THEIR CHOICE.
UM, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET, RIGHT? IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET.
NOT AT, NOT AS OF BEFORE YOU GOT HERE TONIGHT.
WELL WE MET WITH HIM, UH, AND WE MET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER A LOT.
UM, AT A MEETING OVER OUR ENGINEER'S OFFICE WHERE WE WORK THROUGH THINGS.
UM, WE PROBABLY SPEND ABOUT 40, $45,000 IN JUST DESIGN.
AND THE DESIGN WE USED WAS ACTUALLY CAME FROM THEM, FROM MR. ZA.
HE SPENT A BUNCH OF MONEY DOING DESIGNS, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
WE KIND OF PLUGGED THAT IN AND OUR ENTRANCES WOULD TIE INTO HIS GRADES AND IT WAS, IT WAS VERY GOOD.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE SHOWED HIM THAT THE STORM SEWER WE'RE USING AS CONSISTENT
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WITH THE STORM SEWER THAT HE DESIGNED AND, AND ALL I TOLD HIM, UH, HE ASKED WHY WE CHOSE THE NORTH SIDE AND I SAID, WELL, WE KIND OF, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD THERE AND PROVIDE MORE OF A BUFFER OF ONLY ONE LANE OR TWO LANES, WHOEVER CONSTRUCTED.BUT I SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU TELL ME, I SAID, YOU WANT IT TO BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
YOU WANNA PUT IT THE MIDDLE, WE'LL PUT IT AT THE MIDDLE.
I EVEN SAID SARCASTICALLY, IF YOU WANT IT TO RUN IT LIKE, LIKE A SNAKE, WE'LL RUN IT THE SNAKE.
BUT, BUT IT'S IN RIGHT OF WAY.
THAT'S PROFFERED FOR PIECE OF RIGHT OF WAY.
YOU CAN'T BUILD HOUSES THAT'S ONLY LIKE 130 FEET WIDE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS, WE'VE, WE'VE, I FELT LIKE WE GOT TO A VERY GOOD POINT.
UM, AND, AND I GET ALONG WITH HIM WELL AND SO IT'S NOT LIKE ADVERSARIAL OR ANYTHING.
I THINK HE'S AT A POINT WHERE, UM, I MEAN YOU CAN'T SPEAK WITH HIM.
BUT IF YOU'RE HERE, DAVE, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, WATCHING, I, I JUST DON'T THINK HE'S READY TO MAKE A DECISION.
HE HASN'T, HE HAS A, A ZONING APPROVED FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS AND GOT A BIG GIANT PIECE AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF HE HAS WRESTLED WITH WHAT HE WANTS TO DO AND I CAN'T WAIT 15 YEARS.
LIKE SOME OF THE LANDOWNERS HAVE DONE WELL, THEY GOT THINGS ZONED AND THEY WAIT 15 YEARS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
SO THAT'S WHAT WHAT'S GONNA BE MY NEXT QUESTION IS YEAH.
SO IF WE, HAS THERE BEEN ANY, HAS THERE BEEN ANY INDICATION OF LIKE, I'LL, YOU KNOW, BY THIS DATE I'M GONNA MAKE A DECISION? OR IS IT JUST TRULY LIKE WE WERE, I THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING THERE AND WE WERE, UM, UH, HE, YOU KNOW, HE, HE EXPRESSED THAT HE WAS GONNA GET US, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME MORE FEEDBACK AND STUFF AND HE REALLY DIDN'T GET IT.
HE'S, I THINK HE'S STILL WRESTLING WITH IT.
I MET WITH HIM AND HE DID NOT HAVE YEAH.
UM, A CLEAR INTENTION ON WHAT HE WANTS TO DO WITH HIS ONE PROPERTY, YET HE'S SAYING THE SAME THING.
HE TOLD ME HE'S, YOU KNOW, HE DOESN'T, HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE WANTS TO DO WITH IT YET.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT THAT THERE'S A, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN URGENCY OR A DATE THAT WE COULD ACCEPT THAT KIND OF EVOLVED IN OUR CONVERSATION.
SO OTHER, I ACTUALLY, I WOULDN'T HAVE, I WOULDN'T HAVE DELAYED THINGS FOR FIVE, SIX MONTHS OR, OR SPENT A BUNCH OF MONEY DOING THAT IF I, IF I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS SOME SERIOUSNESS TO IT.
BUT THAT SORT OF REVOLVED OVER THE LAST, YOU KNOW, MONTH OR SO.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE DID PROVIDE A DEED, WE DID PROVIDE A PLAT AND COPIES OF THE PLANS AND SAID, HERE IT IS.
I GAVE A COPY TO LAUREN IN THE EVENT THAT THE TENANT WANTS TO REVIEW IT AND, AND TEE IT UP, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY I CAN'T SIGN IT FOR 'EM.
UM, BUT ONE THING WE ARE DOING, WE, WE HAVE SORT OF TWO PLANS.
ONE IS THE ONE WITH THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR ROAD AND THE OTHER PLAN IS THE OPTION IF, UH, WE BUILT A ROAD, THE CON CONNECT, YOU KNOW, WE, ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY WE CONTROLLED THE SHANDOR SHORTS ROAD.
WE MADE THE, WE MADE OUR ENTRANCE WIDER.
WE ALSO PROVIDED A SECOND ENTRANCE, WHICH WE'RE GONNA PAVE THAT WAY IF DAVID BUILDS IT OR WHOEVER BUILDS THE REST, THESE WEST CONNECT ROAD HAS TO COME INTO OUR SIDE DIVISION AND CONNECTED THE CONNECTION'S ALREADY THERE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME ON OUR PROPERTY TO DO IT.
UM, SO WE FELT LIKE THAT'S THERE, IT WAS ASKED LIKE, WELL WHAT HAPPENS IF, UH, YOUR DAVID ASKED ME THIS, WHAT HAPPENS IF HE WANTS TO BUILD HIS EASTWEST CONNECTOR ROAD AND OUR ROADS THERE, IT'S TOO CLOSE AND HE KNOWS MY ENGINEERING BACKGROUND.
I SAID, YEAH, IT IS TOO CLOSE.
WHAT HAPPENS IS OURS GETS SHUT DOWN, MAYBE IT STAYS OPEN AS EMERGENCY ACCESS AND THEN THE NEW CONNECTIONS UP HERE SO THERE'S STILL TWO CONNECTIONS.
CAUSE I SAID, YEAH, B DOT'S NOT GONNA, OR THE TOWN DOESN'T MEAN BE DOT STANDARDS HAVE LIKE TWO ROADS LIKE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
LIKE CONFLICTS AND STUFF, WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS IT AS BEST WE CAN, SO, BUT WE KINDA NEED YEAH, NO, I HEAR YOU.
I JUST, UM, AND WHAT'S TOUGH IS, IS THAT FOR ANY CITIZENS THAT HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS, THE ONES THAT HAD THAT CONCERN, IF THEY'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE STORY, THEY MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT, OH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE HOPEFUL THAT WE WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO, UM, ALLEVIATE SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY THAT THEY MIGHT BE THINKING, OKAY, GOOD, THEY'VE ADDRESSED THIS.
AND WHAT THEY DON'T REALIZE IS, IS THAT IT'S REALLY NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT IN OUR HANDS OR YOUR HANDS IN TERMS OF THAT PART OF THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN ABOUT YOU ALL BUILDING THE FIRST PART OF THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE ARE SAYING YOU CAN'T OR YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T, YOU JUST DON'T HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE PIECES TO THE RECIPE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
OFFERED RIGHT AWAY FOR CAN'T BE USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES.
JUST CURIOUS, AND I, FORGIVE ME IF I SHOULD KNOW THIS, BUT HOW DOES THE MONEY WORK? I MEAN, THEY GET THAT'S A PRIVATELY GET A CERTAIN PORTION OF FUNDS FOR THE LAND THAT THEY RELEASE OR
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WHAT MAPS THAT WERE YOU MEAN FOR THE RIGHT OF YEAH, FOR THE, FOR THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR TO GO THROUGH THEIR LAND.WHAT, WHAT RICK HAD JUST SAID IS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY PROFFERED THAT IN THEIR PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ZONING.
SO IF YOU, AND OF COURSE PROFFERS RUN WITH THE LAND, SO THAT LAND, THERE IS NO COMPENSATION.
THEY'VE ALREADY SAID WE'RE GONNA BUILD A FOUR-LANE BOULEVARD, UH, TO ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, AND WE'RE NOT CHARGING ANY, WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING TO BUILD TWO OF THOSE LANES ON THEIR PROPERTY FOR, FOR THE BENEFIT OF ACCESS TO SADDLE CREST, BUT OBVIOUSLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS BEYOND US.
SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES AREN'T DEVELOPABLE WITHOUT THE ROAD.
WELL, AND THEY'VE ALREADY PROFFERED IT.
IT'S KIND OF HARD TO ARGUE FOR, I THINK THERE'S ONE LANDOWNER THAT HAS IT, THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY HAS PROFFERED DID THAT WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWN AND THAT THE FOUR LANES WILL BE BUILT ON THAT STREET OF LAND.
THERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE.
THAT'S THE ONLY PIECE THAT WE'RE, THERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER THAT I KEEP REFERRING TO THAT'S NOT DONE ANYTHING.
SO THAT'S WHY THEN IT COULD BE A ROAD TO NOWHERE.
CUZ THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE PLANS FOR THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS WITHOUT THIS ROAD.
I THINK THE REQUEST, I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYBODY LIKES A DEADLINE, BUT EVERYBODY RESPONDS TO A DEADLINE.
AND WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS MAYBE IT'S TIME TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE CERTAINLY READY TO GO.
YOU GUYS ARE LIKE, AT THIS POINT, WE DRAFTED ALL THE DOCUMENTS AND, AND AS, AS RICK SAID, SPENT THE EXTRA MONEY ON THE ENGINEERING ON PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T OWN.
UM, AND WE, WE REMAIN OPTIMISTIC.
YOU, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON A, UH, A TRANSPORTATION, UH, BOARD OF SOME SORT.
IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING THIS QUESTION THERE.
UH, NO, YOU'RE NOT ASKING IT OF ME, CORRECT? NO.
BUT, UH, RECENTLY I SAW IN THE, UH, ABOUT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WAS, UH, PROVIDING $570 MILLION OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT TO IMPROVE, UM, RAIL CROSSING, UH, RAIL CROSSING, MAKE 'EM MORE SAFE AND WHATNOT.
AND, UH, MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS, IF YOU HAD TO GO TO THE ALTERNATIVE, UH, YOU THINK THAT A TOWN THE SIZE OF FARM OIL WOULD, WOULD BE ABLE TO OBTAIN ANY OF THOSE FUNDS? COULD WE GET A PIECE OF THE PAST? YEAH.
COULD WE GET A PIECE OF A CROSS? DOES THAT GET REAL HARD CROSSING OR TO IMPLEMENT WELLS TO IMPROVE THE, IMPROVE THE CROSSING? IT'S LIKE FOR OVER THE FOUR, UH, FOUR YEAR PERIOD WHERE, WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE FUNDS, SO IT JUST DOESN'T PERTAIN TO NBR.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? YEAH.
I'M, I'M THINKING OH, YOU'RE THINKING, I'M THINKING A WAY TO IMPROVING WHEN TO GET, IF THERE WAS A, A FLYOVER.
I ACTUALLY WAS FOLLOWING YOU, BRUCE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THATTY CAN, I JUST DON'T KNOW.
THATTY KNOWS THE ANSWER TO MATTHEW.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY YOU WOULD HAVE THE ANSWER.
I'M JUST IT'S A FAIR QUESTION THOUGH.
I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE BROADER PICTURE OF, I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET MY HEAD AROUND TALKING TO BIDEN AND ASKING IF HE'S GONNA GIVE US SOME MONEY.
I'M WORKING FOR THE STATE OR THROUGH THE STATE.
THERE IS FUNDING THAT, THAT ALL STATES HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL.
UM, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY SPECIFIC OR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR FLYOVERS.
AND REMEMBER WHEN WE STARTED THIS, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT A FLYOVER AND THAT'S WHY YOU NOT SPECIFICALLY SAID, WE WILL NEVER GET A FLYOVER AT THAT SECTION TO NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE LAST WEEK.
BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET IT.
VDOT, THE VDOT GUY THAT CAME TO REPRESENT SAID, JUST STOP TALKING ABOUT A FIREWORK.
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IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.I KNOW YOU GUYS DID REGARDLESS, AND WE LEFT THAT RATHER THAN SAY, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WE WANT THAT BACK.
WE'LL, RETRADE IT, WE STILL ARE, ARE GIVING UP THAT LAND IN CASE.
MR. BIDEN DOES GIVE YOU 50 MILLION OR WHATEVER IT IS TO, TO GET OVER THAT RAILROAD.
IF ANYBODY CAN DO IT, IT'S BRUCE.
NO, BRUCE, I LOVE THE IDEA OF ASKING FOR MONEY.
UM, BUT, BUT ANYWAY, UH, NO, I JUST, UH, I DIDN'T MEAN TO BELABOR IT.
IT'S, WE DID, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, WE DID.
LOOK AT, I I'M JUST THE ETERNAL OPTIMIST.
WHAT MR. LAWSON IS, IS SAYING IS THAT, UM, OUR, JUST LIKE I SAID WITH THE LAST ONE, THERE ARE NO READY.
ARE WE READY TO TAKE THIS TO A PUBLIC HEARING? DO WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEED? ARE WE READY TO TAKE IT TO A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT, I'M NOT SAYING WE WOULD'VE TO VOTE AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE COULD, YOU KNOW, WE, BUT, BUT AT LEAST HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
UM, I MEAN, WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC SOME, BUT IT'S BEEN MORE, MORE INFORMATION THEY COULD PROVIDE.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OUT HERE OTHER THAN SOMEBODY MAGICALLY SAYING, YES, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
UM, BUT COUNSEL, WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT? ARE YOU ALL READY TO, ARE YOU ALL READY TO PUT THIS ON FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IN JUNE? WERE YOU SAYING JULY, EARLY, EARLY JULY.
UM, WELL THAT GIVES US MORE TIME, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, SO IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH TAKING IT TO PUBLIC HEARING IN JULY? WAS IT YES.
I DON'T WANT ANYBODY HAVE ANY, LIKE, NO WAY.
EVERYBODY'S, I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
THAT, I'M SORRY THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, NOT THAT I FEEL LIKE THAT WE DRUG, WE WEREN'T DRAGGING IT OUT FOR ANY REASON OTHER THAN TRYING TO, IF WE WOULD'VE HAD LOOK OUT ALL THE, THAT WERE CON THERE WERE THE PUBLIC'S CONCERNS.
IF WE WOULD'VE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY BROUGHT TO COUNSEL, SADDLE CREST WOULD'VE BEEN EATEN ALIVE DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING INITIALLY, IF WE HADN'T EXHAUSTED ALL EFFORTS TO ADDRESS THE TRANSPORTATION CONCERNS, BECAUSE WE WERE HEARING FROM A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE.
AND THERE'S STILL JULY, LET'S SEE, THERE'S REALLY STILL SIX WEEKS LEFT.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT
NO, I'M SAYING SIX WEEKS GIVES A CHANCE THAT MAYBE SOMEBODY WANTS TO CHANGE OF FAITH THIS JULY ON OUR CALENDAR.
THE WHOLE REASON WE HAD THE MEETING TONIGHT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO UPDATE YOU.
I, I DIDN'T WANT TO COME AND THERE'S ANOTHER TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING BEFORE JULY.
I DIDN'T WANNA COME ON JULY 3RD WHILE THE BY THE FIREWORKS ARE GOING ON, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE, ACTUALLY MIGHT NOT HAPPEN.
UM, WE, WE DIDN'T WANNA SHOW JULY 3RD OR 10TH AND WHATEVER, AND SAY, OH, HERE'S, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE YOU'S.
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT IF ANYTHING CHANGES BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, YOU'RE GONNA BE LETTING LAURA KNOW AND SHE'S GONNA BE LETTING US KNOW IF ANYTHING CHANGES THAT WE COMMUNICATE WITH HER QUITE A BIT.
AND I COMMUNICATE WITH DAVID QUITE A BIT OKAY.
THIS AFTERNOON RIGHT BEFORE WE BEGIN, SO, OKAY.
FOUR A IS THE REQUEST TO VACATE A PORTION OF SUMMER'S DAY.
REQUEST TO VACATE A PORTION OF AN UNIMPROVED ALLEY IN NORTH STREET, EXTENDED SOUTH, THE INTER INTERSECTION OF NORTH STREET ORCHARD STREET.
AND I BELIEVE OURS SAYS JAY MCCARTHY, BUT IT'S MCCARTY AND ALL RIGHT.
SO, UM, JOE, THAT'S YOUR YOURS TIME.
UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THE SUMMARY REAL QUICK.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE VACATION OF 13,100 SQUARE FEET OF NORTH STREET EXTENDED TERMINUS, SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH AND ORCHARD STREET, AND A PORTION OF UNAPPROVED ALLEY ADJACENT TO THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY BOUNDARY.
I KNOW LAUREN DID SEND OUT A REVISED PLOT TODAY TO COUNSEL.
UM, THIS ITEM IS FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE, UH, IF COUNSEL DESIRES, WE'D BE SENDING OUT REGISTERED LETTERS TO ALL ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AND CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY 24TH.
AND AT THAT MEETING, COUNSEL WOULD'VE THREE OPTIONS, ONE TO DENY, APPOINT A VIEWING COMMITTEE OR PURSUE THE STAFF.
AND WHILE I DO, I'M NOT TOTALLY UP ON THE WHOLE APPLICATION FORM IS GOING TO HELP ME OUT IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR TRANSPARENCY AND CONSISTENCY SAKE.
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MY, UM, PREFERENCE GOING FORWARD ON THESE WOULD CONSISTENTLY BE TO A POINT OF VIEWING COMMITTEE.I THINK WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK LAST TIME FROM UNBIASED UNINTERESTED PARTIES.
UM, WELL, FIRST OFF, LET'S JUST SEE IF COUNSEL IS, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE YOU ALL, UM, DO Y'ALL HAVE AN APPETITE TO, TO CONSIDER THIS? IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S LIKE, NO WAY.
I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT TOO, IS THAT SINCE WE HAD A VIEWING COMMITTEE LAST TIME, I MEAN, FOR THE SAKE OF CONTINUITY AND STIRRING UP ANY POTS OR ANYTHING, UH, GET A NEUTRAL LOOK AT IT.
THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE PROPER PROCE, YOU KNOW, ORDER OR WHATEVER IS, I WOULDN'T MIND HAVING THE PROPERTY OWNERS BE, UM, NOTIFIED FIRST ABOUT THEY'RE JUST THE IDEA THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING IT.
I'M NOT, WE CAN'T, WE COULD DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, I'M JUST THINKING THE LAST TIME WE HEARD FROM PROPERTY OWNERS, THEN WE DID THE VIEWING COMMITTEE.
I MEAN, WE HEARD FROM 'EM AGAIN, AND THEN WE YEAH.
AND THEN WE HEARD FROM 'EM AGAIN.
SO I'M JUST THINKING MAYBE WE SEND SOMETHING OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TELLING THEM ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT THAT'S NOT STOPPING US FROM, THAT'S NOT STOPPING US FROM HAVING THE VIEWING COMMITTEE DO THEIR WORK TOO.
IS IT JOE? I MEAN, THEY, NOT AT ALL.
THEY COULD ALMOST GO IN CONCURRENT.
YEAH, WE COULD DO THE VIEWING COMMITTEE BEFORE WE WOULD, UM, WE WOULD GET LETTERS OUT THIS WEEK TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND GIVE THEM 30 DAYS TO RESPOND.
SO WE COULD, WHILE IT'S A TIGHT TIME SCHEDULE, WE COULD PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK BEFORE THE 24TH PUBLIC HEARING ON WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE ADJOINING PROPERTY.
26TH, YOU MEAN THAT'S JUNE, JULY, WOULD IT BE THE JUNE, JULY? OH, IT WOULD BE THE JULY 24TH.
UM, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
UM, AND SO LAUREN, CAN I JUST ASK SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY ASK AND SURE.
I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE JUMPING FORWARD INTO, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THIS, BUT WOULD DID STAFF, IT LOOKS LIKE STAFF DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS, OR, I KNOW, I KNOW STAFF, LIKE NOT JUST YOU, BUT UTILITIES.
UM, SO WHEN WE GET THESE IN, I ROUTE THEM OUT TO THE ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT TO PUBLIC WORKS, AND THEN MY STAFF AND I WILL GO AND DO A SITE VISIT.
UM, AND THIS INSTANCE, PUBLIC WORKS AND ENERGY SERVICES DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
MY ONLY COMMENT IS THAT WHEN WE DO THESE ALLEY VACATIONS, YOU'RE LOSING THE POTENTIAL DOWN THE ROAD TO INSTALL UTILITIES IN, IN AN AREA THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THIS GIVES YOU AN OPTION TO INSTALL UTILITIES WHERE YOU'RE NOT TEARING UP THE ROAD.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY APPLICATION.
UM, BUT THAT'S, COUNSEL, THIS IS YOUR DECISION.
NO, VAL, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO HEAR WHAT STAFF HAS TO SAY.
SO, UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND, AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE TOO, DURING WORK SESSIONS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. RICCARDI? WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT OKAY.
UH, I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THE, IN THE INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, I, I THINK WE SHOULD GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT AND SO FORTH.
UH, I, I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN IN THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND, AND TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT, UM, OUR DIRECTOR PLANNING JUST INDICATED, UH, IF, IF WE LOOK FORWARD IN TIME, UH, A A AS NEIGHBORHOODS DEVELOP AND AS TOWNS DEVELOP, WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, REMOVE OVERHEAD LINES AND SO FORTH AND PUT THEM UNDERGROUND AND MOVE TO FIBER AND, AND SO FORTH, UM, OUR RIGHT OF WAYS PROVIDE US AN OUTSTANDING ACCESS WITHOUT INTERRUPTION OF, OF, OF, UH, SERVICES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH.
HOWEVER, IF IT'S THE, IF THE, UH, IF THE NEIGHBORS DON'T CARE AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE FINE WITH IT, GO WITH, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY POSITION.
BRUCE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WENT OFF? WELL, I WAS JUST WONDERING, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE REVISED PLA.
THE ONE THAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS VERY, YOU KNOW, BACK TO 19.
IT WAS LIKE THE PART OF WEST END.
UM, AND, UH, ANYWAY, UH, THE, UH, SO HAS THIS BEEN LIKE MARKED, HAS IT SURVEYED?
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UH, THERE'S A VICTIM, JOE BROKEN IN HIS SURVEYED.ACTUALLY JOE REAGAN'S DAD, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE JOE REAGAN'S DAD DID THE ORIGINAL SURVEY.
MOORE, IT HAS BEEN, IT HAS BEEN SURVEYED.
UM, BUT THIS CONVERSATION STARTED LAST YEAR.
AND THIS IS, THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO GET THE AREA THAT THEY NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL LOT.
HOW MANY ADDITIONAL LOTS THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
I MEAN, I MEAN, ARE, ARE THEY AT THAT POINT OR IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER IS ABOUT 13,000 SQUARE.
THE DUPLEX AREA GIVES YOU DO DUPLEX, NOT SAY, BUT IT, AS THEY FIGURE OUT THEIR CONCEPTS, THEN, UM, IT, IT ALLOWS FOR HIGHER DENSITY TO, CUZ WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT ZONING, YOU LOOK AT HIGHEST AND BEST USE.
SO YOU LOOK AT MAXIMIZING THE DENSITY THERE.
SO IF THEY DO CHOOSE TO GO WITH DUPLEXES, THIS MAXIMIZES YOUR DENSITY.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING.
THERE'S NO, YEAH, I'M, I'M, I'M WITH UH, UH, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN ROGERS.
I, UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE, THE, UH, OWNERS OF THE, UH, UP ON RAND AVENUE, WHICH IS, THEY'RE GONNA BE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE, UH, IMPACTED ON INSTEAD OF HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? YES, MR. WALL? SORRY, I JUST WANNA APOLOGIZE.
MR. MCCARTY, I, ON YOUR LAST NAME, I APOLOGIZE.
I WAS GONNA SAY, PROBABLY USED TO,
SO I, AS SOON AS I SAW, I WAS LIKE, HAVE I BEEN SAYING THEIR NAME WRONG ALL THESE YEARS? SO ANYWAY.
SO THE DIRECTION FOR STAFF IS THAT WE'LL PUT IT ON THE JULY, UM, COUNCIL MEETING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA IDENTIFY, I MEAN, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, AND AT THE SAME TIME A APPOINT A VIEWING COMMITTEE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
IS THAT RIGHT? UM, AND IF ANYTHING CHANGES BETWEEN NOW AND THEN FOR ANYTHING, WE'LL BE MADE AWARE THE DIRECTIONS WE GIVE TO THE VIEWING COMMITTEE.
WHY? WHAT ARE THEY VIEWING? YEAH.
IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU SAID THAT SKIP CUZ THE LAST TIME WHAT, UM, WHAT WE HAD THEM LOOK AT.
WELL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE LAST TIME WE APPOINTED THE VIEWING COMMITTEE, BECAUSE WE HAD HEARD, SO WE HAD HEARD FROM SO MANY, UH, ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS CONCERNS.
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT VIEWING COMMITTEE PROBABLY WAS LOOKING TO, TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
BUT JOE, IS THERE A PARTICULAR FORM THEY DO? YEAH.
ACTUALLY, UH, WHEN WE DO FORM THE THREE MEMBERS, THEY COME IN IN THE MORNING AND MEET WITH ME.
THEY LOOK OVER ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT COUNSEL HAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU AND THEN THEY GO OUT AND THEY DO THEIR OWN SURVEY AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND DEVELOP THEIR OWN THOUGHTS AND PROVIDE ME A WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION ON THEIR FINDINGS.
AND THEY ALL HAD EXPERIENCE IN THIS TYPE OF, UM, WORK LAST TIME.
WE HAD A PILE OF PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, HAD DONE IT PREVIOUSLY THAT YOU CONTACTED.
WE, SO THEY TALKED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON UTILITIES, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE ACCESS ROAD AND ALL OF THAT.
THE LAST TIME WE PROVIDE AN UNBIASED OPINION ON WHAT THE OTHER INSTEAD OF GETTING TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN ORDERING ONE YEAH.
THE ONLY REASON WHY I SAID THAT IS CUZ I FELT LIKE THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT, THAT THEN THE VIEWING COMMITTEE COULD LOOK AT.
LIKE, THERE MIGHT BE THINGS THAT WE ARE SITTING HERE SAYING WE DON'T SEE SOMETHING, BUT SOMEBODY ELSE THAT LIVES ON GRAND AVENUE SAYS SOMETHING IN THE COMMITTEE COULD BE LOOKING AT THAT AND BEING LIKE, NO, THAT'S NOT A CONCERN.
WE'RE SENDING THE PUBLIC CHOICE.
JUST TO PUT IT IN SLIGHTLY MORE LEGALESE.
THEY LOOK AT THE PUBLIC INCONVENIENCE THAT WOULD OCCUR.
SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, UM, SO WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY AND THEN IF I'M SURE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY ISSUES, THEY'LL BE EMAILING US BETWEEN NOW AND THEN AS THEY DID THE LAST TIME.
I COULDN'T HARDLY WAIT FOR THIS.
HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS?
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THIS IS OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE URBAN AGRICULTURE BEEF.AND I JUST WANNA TELL YOU ALL THE DA THE ATTACHMENTS OR THE, THE PARTS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF Y'ALL READ THE THINGS THAT WEREN'T HIGHLIGHTED, BUT WHEN I GOT TO EXOTIC ANIMALS YEAH.
I WAS LIKE, IT LITERALLY SAID LIKE LIFE TIGERS AND I WAS LIKE, ELEPHANT, I REMEMBER, DO YOU REMEMBER TIGER KING DURING COVID, EVERYBODY WAS USING THEIR TAX REFUND.
I WAS LITERALLY LIKE, I DON'T KNOW MAN.
AND THEN IT EVEN SAID ELEPHANT CROCKETT, ALLIGATORS AND CROCKS.
AND I WAS LIKE, TOWN WHO HAS AN ALLIGATOR? OH, OKAY.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO TELL LAUREN ALL.
GLAD TO MAKE A FEW PEOPLE GET RID OF THEIR PEOPLE IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT HAD EMOTIONAL SUPPORT GOATS.
WELL, MY FIRST CONSULTS GOAT TOO, BUT POT BELLY PIGS WERE A THING FOR A WHILE.
PEOPLE WERE GETTING LIKE POT BELLY PIGS AS PETS.
THEY WERE HANGING OUT IN THE HOUSE.
UM, SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE ARE ALSO STARTING OUR, YOU KNOW, THE REWRITE OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, FINALLY ONE OF THE CHAPTERS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT IS URBAN AGRICULTURE.
SO REQUEST FROM PUBLIC IT, IT, THE TIMING ACTUALLY WORKS OUT WELL.
UM, BUT BASICALLY OUR CURRENT ORTHO REQUIRES A ZONING PERMIT IF YOU WANT TO KEEP CHICKENS, BEES OR RABBITS.
AND YOU HAVE LESS THAN AN ACRE OF LAND IN TOWN LIMITS.
UM, WE ALLOW NO MORE THAN SIX.
ARE THERE CHICKENS, RABBITS, OR BEEHIVES? UM, WE REQUIRE MANAGEMENT PLANS GET SUBMITTED ALONG WITH THEIR PERMIT STAFF REVIEWS THEM.
WE SEND THEM OUT TO, UM, IT'S A AG EXTENSION THROUGH VIRGINIA TECH.
THERE'S A, AND THAT REVIEWS THESE FOR, UM, JUST COMPLIANCE AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THAT THE WASTE DISPOSAL AND THAT THE SITE IS SUITABLE AND THAT THE ANIMALS ARE KEPT IN A, A HEALTHY HUMANE MANNER.
UM, ONCE WE GET THE FEEDBACK FROM HIM THAT IT'S GOOD TO GO TO PERMIT.
IF IT'S NOT, IF THERE'S NOT SUFFICIENT SPACE, IF THERE'S TOO MANY ANIMALS, THEY SAY THAT THEY WANNA BUTCHER THEM, THEN WE DENY THE PERMIT.
SO AS OF NOW, I THINK WE'VE GOT CLOSE TO 60 URBAN AG PERMITS IN OUR SYSTEM.
SO OUR STAFF GOES OUT AND INSPECTS BEEHIVES.
UM, WE INSPECT RABBIT HUTCHES AND CHICKEN COOPS AS PART OF THIS EVERY YEAR
UM, AND SO FOR TONIGHT, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS SOME, UH, RECOMMENDATION OR JUST GUIDANCE FROM COUNSEL.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO HERE? WE CAN UPDATE THE ORDINANCE.
UH, YOU HAVE EXAMPLE ORDINANCES FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
IF YOU WANNA UP THE LIMIT, UH, RABBITS.
WE CAN HAVE A, A SQUARE FOOT PER CHICKEN ROLL.
THE STANDARD IS, BUT, BUT THERE ALREADY ARE NOT IN OUR ORDINANCE.
NOT NOT IN OUR ORDINANCE ORDINANCE, BUT, BUT IN O OTHER.
AND SO WHAT WE LOOK AT AND WHAT WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT FOR YOUR, YOU KNOW, GENERAL RURAL KING CHICKEN AS YOU GET IS TWO SQUARE FEET OF COOP SPACE AND FOUR SQUARE FEET OF RUN SPACE.
IF YOU GET A LARGER BREED OR SOME TYPE OF EXOTIC TYPE OF CHICKEN, UM, YOU MAY REQUIRE MORE.
BUT THE STANDARD ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND, AND YOU KNOW, OUR PLANNING GUYS THE FOUR SQUARE FEET OF COOP SPACE AND EIGHT SQUARE FEET OF RUN SPACE PER YEAH.
IT WOULD BE, I THINK TWO TO FOUR SQUARE FEET OF HUTCH SPACE.
SO I JUST WANNA SHARE A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH, YOU ALL LIVED IN TOWN MY ENTIRE LIFE AND I, AND IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I LITERALLY HAVE EXPERIENCED THREE DIFFERENT TIME AND I'M ALL ABOUT, IT'S YOUR PROPERTY AND DO WITH IT WHAT YOU WANT.
BUT SO WHEN I LIVED ON DUNCAN AVENUE, OUR NEIGHBOR RAISED BEES.
AND NOW GRANTED I'M OLD AND I WAS WAY YOUNG AND I'M SURE THERE WEREN'T A WHOLE LOT OF RULES FOR THAT.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, I I I, I PROBABLY STILL TRAUMATIZED BY BEES CUZ WE, I, I MEAN I WAS, WE GOT STUNG ALL THE TIME AND, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT WHATEVER THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS VERY DIFFERENT.
BUT THEN, SO THEN WHEN I MOVED TO WINE STREET, UM, OUR NEIGHBOR WHO, THEY, HER KIDS WERE MY AGE.
THEY GOT DUCKS FOR EASTER, YOU KNOW, AND ALL OF US WERE JUST JEALOUS CUZ THEY GOT THESE TWO LITTLE BABY DUCKS FOR EASTER IN THEIR EASTER BASKET
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OR WHATEVER PROBLEM WITH THOSE DUCKS IS THEY GROW UP.AND THEY DIDN'T STAY IN THE LITTLE SWIM POOL IN THE BACKYARD MM-HMM.
AND SO UNDERNEATH THEIR DECK, THEY ENDED UP LIKE, THEY DUG OUT LIKE SOME, THEY DUG OUT, LIKE THEY DUG OUT A HOLE AND FILLED IT WITH WATER AND THE DUCKS WERE SUPPOSED TO STAY IN THERE.
UM, I FEEL LIKE MY MOTHER, YOU KNOW, I JUST REMEMBER LIKE IT LASTED FOREVER AND THEY STUNK SO BAD.
AND WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE AS FAR AS FOR ME TO JOE TO THE, TO THE DUCK HOLE, UM, AND THEN EVENT.
AND THEY WANTED TO GET RID OF THE DUCK, BUT THEY COULDN'T FIND ANYBODY.
THEY FINALLY FOUND A FRIEND WHO HAD A POND AND THEY MOVED THERE AND, UM, WELL THEY DIDN'T, I GUESS IT WOULD'VE TRAUMATIZED THE CHILDREN TO EAT THEM.
BUT, BUT, AND THEN I LIVE WHERE I LIVE NOW AND OUR NEIGHBORS HAD RABBITS AND, AND NONE OF THIS LIKE IT, THAT WASN'T A MAJOR DEAL OR ANYTHING.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE LAST OF THE RABBITS LEFT MULTIPLE TIMES.
THE RABBITS STARTED AT THIS MANY TO THIS MANY TO THIS MANY.
THE BEAR WOULD COME AND RIP THE CAGE OPEN.
AND THE LAST TIME I WAS AFRAID IT WAS MY CAT.
BUT, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WAS, I FELT TERRIBLE.
IT WAS AGAIN, VERY TRAUMATIZING TO THAT THE, YOU KNOW, FUR WAS ALL OVER AND THEY WERE GONE.
UM, SO I CAN SEE WHY THERE WOULD BE, I CAN SEE WHY PEOPLE WOULD HAVE CONCERNS IN TOWN, BUT AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF REGULATIONS IN PLACE.
SO THIS CAME TO A COUNCIL PRIOR TO US AND I ASKED FOR IT TO BE ADDED BACK TO THE AGENDA.
THANK YOU LAURIE, FOR ADDING IT.
UM, LAUREN AND I TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE IT WAS ADDED TO THE AGENDA SO SHE COULD DO THIS RESEARCH AND HOMEWORK FOR US, I FEEL LIKE FRONT ROYAL IS A RURAL TOWN.
YOU ADD RECORD HIGH INFLATION, YOU ADD THE FACT THAT URBAN AGRICULTURE IS BECOMING TRENDY.
NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, TO EAT THE CHICKENS.
UM, EGGS WERE UP TO WHAT, SIX, $8 FOR A DOZEN, SIX MONTHS AGO.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR TOWN CODE IS ANY LONGER IN LINE WITH WHAT SERVES OUR POPULATION HERE IN FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A VERY HEAVILY POPULATED AREA WITH LARGE FAMILIES.
UM, AND SO AS SCOTT SPOKE TO AT OUR LAST PUBLIC COUNCIL MEETING, FOR THE SIZE OF HIS FAMILY, SIX CHICKENS IS NOT ENOUGH TO FEED ALL OF THEM.
UM, AND I'M ALL FOR IT TO YOUR PROPERTY, DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH IT UNLESS IT BECOMES A NUISANCE FOR THE NEIGHBORS, WHICH WE HAVE COMPLAINT BASED THINGS FOR ALL OF OUR ORDINANCES AND CODES.
SO, UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT THIS COUNCIL WOULD SUPPORT CHANGING THIS BASED ON THE LOT SIZE BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LOT ON BLUE RIDGE AVENUE VERSUS A LOT OUT HAPPY CREEK ROAD THAT'S STILL IN THE TOWN LIMITS, BUT YOU HAVE A QUARTER OR A HALF ACRE OR AN ENTIRE ACRE, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE THE SAME AND DIFFERENTIATE BASED ON THE SPACE THEY HAVE.
ONE QUESTION, WELL, PRIOR IT WAS YOU HAD AN ACRE UP THERE AND, AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING AND OR LESS THAN AN ACRE, IT SHOULD BE BASED ON MAYBE A SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH HAS BEEN A TOOL THAT'S BEEN USED IN THE PAST BY OTHER COMMUNITIES.
SO IT'S TWO FEET, TWO SQUARE FEET, FOUR SQUARE FEET OR WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS.
UM, BECAUSE IF I'VE GOT A QUARTER OR A HALF AN ACRE, BUT I'VE GOT DEDICATED, UH, ENOUGH SPACE TO HAVE SIX OR EIGHT CHICKENS BASED AT FOUR SQUARE FEET PER CHICKEN AND SIX SQUARE FEET IN THE RUN, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, UM, RATHER THAN JUST SAY AN ACRE, WHICH YEAH, NO, I AGREE.
AND IT'S JUST LIKE BAFFLING TO ME.
LIKE I UNDERSTAND WHY LAWS AND CODES EXIST, BUT THERE'S THESE LIMITATIONS IN PLACE, BUT THEN WE SEE PEOPLE WITH 10 DOGS ON A QUARTER ACRE LOT IN TOWN AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO REQUIREMENTS FOR THEM.
SO WHEN YOU'RE, THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE A KENNEL.
WELL, BUT IS THE LIMIT FOR DOGS.
BUT ALSO I'M NOT FINISHED WITH THE POINT.
THE POINT IS WE INSPECT THESE AND WE ENFORCE THE INSPECTIONS AND WE'RE CITING PEOPLE CURRENTLY.
BUT THEN AS EVERYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL KNOWS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REMEMBER THE STREET NAME OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I HAD SEEN IT RIGHT BEFORE THE COMPLAINT CAME THROUGH.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH DOGS LIVING IN,
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YOU KNOW, UNLIVABLE ALMOST CIRCUMSTANCES AND WE'RE NOT GOING OUT AND INSPECTING HOW YOUR DOG HOUSE LOOKS.MY QUESTION IS AROUND, UM, WHEN THEY, WHEN YOU APPLY FOR THIS, YOU GET A PUBLIC EDUCATION CUZ LIKE I'VE GOT TWO ACRES.
AND DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING.
I MIGHT NOT REALIZE THAT THERE'S ALSO A FOX IN MY BACKYARD.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH EDUCATION ARE PEOPLE GETTING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, JUST BE WARY, YOU KNOW, OF THAT, THAT WE HAVE BEARS THAT KILL RABBITS AND YOU KNOW, BEAR COYOTES MAN.
I LIVE OFF JAMESTOWN AND WE HAVE A BEAR EVERY NIGHT.
I HAVE 'EM ON MY CAMERA TWO NIGHTS AGO WALKING UP THE PORCH, BASICALLY KNOCKING ON THE DOOR.
AND IF I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN MY TRASH CAN, HE SITS ON THE PORCH.
HE WAITS TO SEE WHEN THEY DO THEIR MANAGEMENT PLAN.
UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT A LIGHT PLAN.
I MEAN, WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY SUBMITTED LIKE, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THESE CHICKENS? HOW ARE YOU TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT A NUISANCE TO YOUR NEIGHBORS? WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO KEEP THEM CLEAN? HANG.
WE DON'T DO THAT FOR DOGS, CATS.
CATS FOR CATS AND WE DON'T DO THAT FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
CATS CAN WANDER ROADS,
REASON NEITHER ONE, WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE YOUR OWN ISSUES OR YOUR NEIGHBOR'S ISSUES, YOU'LL FIND OUT REAL QUICK.
SO I THINK THAT, SO WARREN, WHAT ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THAT THE NUMBER BE PER SQUARE FOOT? I MEAN, YOU, YOU PROVIDED US LIKE BLACKSBURG AND RICHMOND AND IT WAS INTERESTING CUZ A COUPLE OF 'EM, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL NOTICED, THEY WERE LITERALLY WORD FOR WORD AND THEY WEREN'T PLACES THAT WERE NEAR EACH OTHER.
SO I'M THINKING ONE OF THOSE RODE IT AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE SMART.
BUT I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHT THOUGHT? I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS.
GO OVER 10 CHICKENS ON A, YOU KNOW, ON A LOT SMALLER THAN 20 SQUARE THOUSAND, 20,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN GET INTO ISSUES WITH PUTTING NUTRIENTS AND, AND JUST NASTY THINGS TO THE WATER.
CHICKENS CARRY SALMONELLA OR DISEASES THAT CAN, CHILDREN DON'T WASH THEIR HANDS AS MUCH AS FACE.
SO I THINK THAT IF WE CAP IT AT 10 AND HAVE A SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT, FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL CHANGES CODE AND SALMONELLA OUTBREAK HAPPENS.
AND I THINK IF YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE IT, THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE PER CHICKEN OR RABBIT RULE IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT.
UM, BUT I ALSO NEED TO KNOW IF YOU WANT TO UP THE NUMBER OF BEEHIVES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE MORE THAN SIX BEEHIVES.
ARE THEY FEEDING THEIR FAMILIES WITH THOSE BEES? LIKE THEY ARE THE CHICKENS? I DON'T THINK HONEY OFF HONEY, BUT DO THEY NEED TO MAKE MORE MONEY THAN OFF SIX HIVES? YEAH, BUT I THOUGHT I READ SOMEWHERE OR MAYBE IT WAS ANOTHER PLACE WHERE IT WAS, I THOUGHT MAYBE IT'S NOT OUR CODE WHERE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SELL IT.
THAT'S NOT, IT SHOULD BE FOR YOUR FAMILY CON CONSUMPTION.
YOU CAN'T BUTCHER YOUR CHICKENS OR YOUR RABBITS IN THE YARD.
MY FRIENDS THAT HAVE CHICKENS UNTIL TAKE THEM OVER TO THE BUTCHER AND HAVE THEM PROCESS.
BUT, BUT I THINK 60 HAS, UNLESS SOMEBODY, UNLESS SOMEBODY I'M SITTING HERE THINKING PLEASE, SO EXPECT, EXPECT THESE.
I KNOW WHEN Y'ALL SAID THAT, I WAS THINKING THAT TOO.
LIKE, DO Y'ALL WEAR A PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT TO GO INTO THESE STAND? LIKE ONCE DID THIS YEAR STOOD ON THE DECK, MADE SURE THAT THEY WERE MORE THAN TEST FEET FROM THE MR. WALTZ.
I'M SORRY, I'M JUST BACKING IT UP AND THINKING ABOUT CODE CHANGES PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SO WHAT LAUREN NEEDS TONIGHT IS SOME DIRECTION FOR THE SHE CAN MASSAGE THE CODE AND HOW COUNCIL WANTS I'M IN FAVOR OF NONE PUBLIC.
I, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT DOESN'T VOTE.
DOESN'T IT ALSO ALSO SAY IN OURS, I GET, HONESTLY, WE READ THEM ALL LAST NIGHT.
UM, THEY CAN'T BE ON THE SIDE IF IT'S A CORNER.
IT HAS TO BE SO FAR OFF OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY LINE.
OBJECTION FOR IS TO MAKE SURE THAT PLACEMENT IS CORRECT.
AND I THINK IF WE DO THAT, I DON'T THINK THE NEIGHBORS, I I THINK THEY'LL BE MORE, I THINK DON'T COMPLAIN AND WE DON'T ALLOW ROOSTERS.
SO I MEAN, JUST LAST WEEK WE WERE DRIVING AROUND TRYING TO LISTEN FOR A ROOSTER TO FIND OUT WHERE OH MY GOD.
WE DON'T BUY THEM FROM WORLD KING.
YOU DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF YOU'RE GETTING CHICKENS OR THAT'S TRUE.
SO BRI, THAT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYONE HERE IS, IS READY TO ROCK AND ROLL WITH THING.
BUT I, BUT I'M, I CONSIDER FRONT ROYAL, UH, MORE URBAN
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BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE TIGHT THERE.THERE'S YOU MEAN DENSITY WISE, DENSITY WISE MM-HMM.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, I, I'M IN FAVOR OF, I LIKE, UH, THE BLACKSBURG PLAN, UH, THERE, THAT'S A PROGRESSIVE AREA AND IT'S A TOWN AND, UM, I'M NOT, I'M, I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF CHICKENS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
AND WINCHESTER ONLY ALLOWS SIX CHICKENS OR NOTHING LIKE WINCHESTER.
WELL, AND BLACKSBURG IS A TOWN AND THEY, THEY ONLY ALLOW SIX.
IN FACT, THEY, THEY ONLY ALLOW, UH, CHICKENS IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT EITHER, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA AGREE.
WE NEED THE REST OF THE PEOPLE TO CHIME IN.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH ANY WELL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
YOU ALL WANT LAUREN TO EXPLORE INCREASING BASED ON SQUARE FOOT? I DO.
WELL SIR, ARE YOU OKAY WITH IT? YES.
AND I WOULD LIKE PIGS NOW I'M JUST
I JUST, I'M JUST, I'M JUST TEASING YOU WE'RE NOT.
SOMEBODY COME UP AT A LATER DAY.
AMBER, YOU ALREADY SAID YOU'RE, YOU'RE OKAY WITH, Y'ALL KNOW, I THINK YOU BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT THEIR PROPERTY AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT BEING A NUISANCE AND SNOR WITH THEM.
HOW ABOUT YOU JOE? WHAT IS YOUR NAME? SORRY, JOSH.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE OKAY WITH HER EXPLORING? OH YEAH.
INCREASING THE NUMBER BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE.
BUT EVERYBODY, NOBODY SAID THEY WANTED TO INCREASE THE BEES, RIGHT? NO, I DON'T THINK THEY CAN'T SELL THE HONEY AND NOBODY NOT EATING.
NOBODY WAS, NOBODY'S SETTING THEM OUT, INCREASING THE RABBITS.
I DON'T WHAT DO WE HAVE REQUESTS FOR PEOPLE TO GET MORE RABBITS? I'VE HAD ONE REQUEST AND WE HAD TO DENY IT BECAUSE HE WAS FOR SLAUGHTERING GONNA BUTCHER THEM.
WAYNE, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF INCREASING THE CHICKEN LIMIT? BUT IT'S ALL GONNA BE BASED ON SEVERE FOOT.
RIGHT? ALL RIGHT, SO JOE, WHAT DIRECTION DO YOU NEED? UH, I THINK WE'RE GETTING THE DIRECTION.
MY THOUGHT IS JUST WANNA LET COUNCIL KNOW THAT I JUST WOULDN'T MAKE IT BACK TO COUNCIL UNTIL AUGUST 7TH.
BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE ONE WORK SESSION IN JULY.
AND SO, BUT REALISTICALLY IF COUNCIL COULD COME TO A CONSENSUS ON, ON AUGUST 7TH, THEN WE COULD, UH, DO A PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST 28TH.
AND THEN PEOPLE CAN ALL INCREASE THEIR CHICKENS THAT THEY WANT AND HAVE ENOUGH FOR AND CAUSE THIS YEAR, THIS YEAR'S ALREADY SET SALE FOR CHICKEN, CHICKEN WORKS.
IS IT JUST CHICKENS? IT'S JUST CHICKENS.
I DON'T THINK THEY ALLOW, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ALLOW TURKEYS.
PHEASANTS PIGEONS OR OTHER DOMESTIC T OR EVEN HOMING PIGEONS WAS ON THERE.
I THINK THAT'S, OR MAYBE THAT'S A DIFFERENT PLACE.
WELL THEN I NEED, I ALSO NEED JILL TO THEN YOU NEED TO CONSTRUCT PLANNING COMMISSION TO TAKE UP THE ORDINANCES AMENDMENT.
AND THAT WAY IT'S GOTTA GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST.
SO I CAN TAKE IT TO THEM IN JULY AND THEN IT CAN COME BACK TO YOU IN AUGUST.
IS THAT VERY GOOD? SO THE AUGUST 7TH WE NINTH, THAT'S IF THEY VISIT IT IN JULY TO TALK ABOUT IT.
SO SHOULD, SHOULD COUNCIL PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PC OR JUST A GENERAL DIRECTION OF REVISE? OR DO WE NEED TO DO A RESOLUTION? WE NEED TO DO A RESOLUTION, JOSH, UM, UNTIL PLANNING COMMISSION TO TAKE UP A TEXT AMENDMENT, UH, TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF CHECK-INS TO NO MORE THAN 10 AND INCLUDE SQUARE FOOTAGE PER CHICKEN.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST THING.
WHEN WOULD WE DO THAT THEN? MR. WALLACE? WE WOULD DO THAT IN AUGUST 2ND INSTEAD OF HAVING A, WELL I WAS THINKING TOO FAR AHEAD ON THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE CODE AMENDMENT, BUT YEAH, SO WE COULD STILL DO THAT.
BRING IT BACK ON AUGUST 7TH WITH A RESOLUTION AT THE 20TH, WHATEVER THAT IS, UH, AUGUST 28TH.
AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO PLAN AND WE'D GO TO PC.
BUT AS JOSH AS COUNCILMAN INGRID MENTIONED, THE CHICKEN SEASON'S KIND OF PASTED US.
SO AS WE GET THIS IN PLACE BY FALL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'D BE READY FOR NEXT YEAR.
MY, HERE WE'RE JUST DOING INSPECTIONS NOW.
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING INSPECTED AND CITED CURRENTLY, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THOSE IN THE MEANTIME? SINCE IT'S ON THE AGENDAS? I'D SAY WE STILL HAVE TO PLAY WITH CODE.
I WOULD'VE TO DEFER TO LEGAL ON THAT, BUT I JUST PROSECUTE WHAT COMES TO ME.
SINCE THIS IS ON THE ACTIVE AGENDA, THAT GOOD? IF IT'S ON THE ACTIVE AGENDA TO CHANGE IT, SHOULD WE BE ISSUING CITATIONS FOR SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW? THIS COUNCIL JUST GAVE
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THE APPETITE TO CHANGE.I, I CAN'T BE THE ONE TO ANSWER THAT.
WHO CAN'T? IF IT COMES TO ME, I PROSECUTE IT.
UM, BUT WHO WOULD BE ASKING? I CAN'T TELL STAFF TO STAND DOWN.
WELL, DO YOU HAVE, HAVE YOU, YOU'RE LIMITED.
COULD, COULD YOU GIVE ME, GIVE US AN IDEA.
HAVE YOU HAD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE HAVING MORE THAN SIX? WE'VE ONLY HAD COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE HEARING ROOSTERS AND WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE PERSON THAT WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WHEN WE DID THE INSPECTION.
SO WE PROBABLY GIVEN THEM A WINDOW OF TIME TO REEDY IT.
SO WE ARE WORKING WITH PEOPLE, SO, SO WE MIGHT BE OKAY UNTIL WE CAN MAKE THIS CHANGE.
I HEARD ONE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD A WHILE BACK.
SO NUMBER FIVE IS, UM, A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, THESE ARE ALL THE ITEMS THAT ARE GONNA BE SLATED FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, JOE.
THE FIRST ONE IS A RESOLUTION FOR TOWN OF FRONT ROW EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION WEEK.
I KNOW THAT HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO READ THAT.
UM, JOE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? UM, I JUST WANTED TO TELL COUNSEL I AM NOT EXACTLY SATISFIED WITH THAT RESOLUTION, SO.
WE WILL BE WORKING ON THAT PRIOR TO THE JUNE 26TH OF ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, NARRATIVE IN THERE.
AND, UH, RIGHT NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THAT RESOLUTION, EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION WEEK IS JULY 20, WEEK OF JULY 23RD.
AND HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THE WEEK I'LL HAVE DETAILS FOR COUNSEL ON WHAT HAPPENS ARE FOR EMPLOYEE.
UM, NEXT UP IS, UM, MS. CAMPBELL THE SOLE SOURCE TRAFFIC SIGNAL CAMERA DETECTION SYSTEM.
UM, AND I B AND C, THEY, THEY'RE BOTH HAVING TO DO WITH THAT.
AND I BELIEVE, MICHELLE, YOU'RE THE LUCKY WINNER OF THOSE
UH, THEY, AND THANK YOU FOR WAITING SO LONG TO GET TO THIS ITEM.
THEY ARE, THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME MANUFACTURER, BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE FOR TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS THOUGH.
SO, UM, ITEM FIVE B IS FOR, UM, SO SOURCE TRAFFIC, SIGNAL CAMERA DETECTION SYSTEM REPLACEMENT, UM, ON SHE AVENUE IN WEST 14TH STREET INTERSECTION.
UH, IT'S A REPLACEMENT AND THE AMOUNT IS $26,872 AND 89 CENTS.
UM, THE TOWN EXCLUSIVELY USES THE ECO LIGHT FOR ITS TRAFFIC SIGNALS FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
ALL 15 INTERSECTIONS ARE OUTFITTED WITH THE ECO LINE EQUIPMENT.
THE PARTS REQUIRED FOR ANY NECESSARY REPAIRS MUST BE PURCHASED DIRECTLY, EQUIPMENT COUNTER LINE AS THEIR EQUIPMENT IS UNIQUE TO THEM AND THE PARTS ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? I, HOW IS THAT, OH, GO AHEAD SIR.
WITH THE LIGHTS THAT YOU, THAT YOU'RE REDOING, ARE THEY GONNA HAVE THE SENSOR ON IT WHEN APPARATUS PULLS UP AND THE LIGHT AND IT, THAT THE LIGHT WILL CHANGE TO GREEN FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH? IT WILL HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT TO GIVE FIRE AND RESCUE ACCESS TO THE INTERSECTIONS.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME OUT ON THE NORTH END.
WE'RE TRYING TO ALL THE WAY THROUGH IF WE CAN'T AND THAT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SAFETY, BUT, OKAY.
MY ONLY COMMENT, UH, AND I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT, WE NEED TO GO AHEAD WITH IT.
WHAT I MIGHT SUGGEST, UH, AT SOME POINT, THESE CAMERAS AND SO FORTH WILL BE REPLACED.
UM, AND I WANNA MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN DOING OVER THE LAST 15, 20 YEARS IN GOING TO OPEN SOURCE, AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT MANUFACTURERS OF PRODUCTS, UH, WHATEVER THOSE PRODUCTS MIGHT BE, ARE, ARE DEVELOPED WITH STANDARDS IN MIND SO THAT WE'RE NOT FACED AS WE ARE NOW WITH ONLY BUYING REPLACEMENT OR ONLY, UM, UH, INVESTING IN THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY'S PRODUCTS.
IT'S MUCH MORE, IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE.
SO I WANNA SUGGEST THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT.
WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.
BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN, IN PURCHASES, I'D LIKE US TO KEEP IN MIND,
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UH, MORE OF AN OPEN SOURCE, UM, OR A STANDARDS BASED INVESTMENT SO THAT WE'RE NOT LOCKED INTO A PARTICULAR MANUFACTURER'S PRICING STRUCTURE.AND I, I THINK THAT'S NOT THE ONLY, UH, I, NOT JUST THIS TIME, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER ITEMS THAT I'VE NOTICED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT LIKE, THAT'S WHERE WE BOUGHT IT FROM.
YEAH, I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE AND I KNOW WE GOTTA TRANSITION THROUGH.
BUT IF WE CAN KEEP IT IN MIND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UH, IT, IT WILL BE MUCH MORE CAUTIOUS.
I KNOW WITH THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE HAVE BEEN LIKE THESE TREATMENT ARE THE ONLY PLACES CAN SELL IT OR WHATEVER.
SAY AGAIN, BJ, THE TREATMENT PLANTS ARE, ARE INDEED NOTORIOUS ALSO.
THAT IS THE, THAT IS THE KIND OF THE INDUSTRY STANDARD, UNFORTUNATELY.
THE TRAFFIC SCROLL SIGN WHEN WE ORDERED ANOTHER ONE, THERE'S ONLY ONE COMPANY FOR THAT.
BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN LIKE REPLACEMENT PARTS.
THESE ARE VDOT STANDARDS, REPLACEMENT PARTS FOR THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE ON FIVE B? CUZ WE CAN MOVE ON TO FIVE C.
FIVE C IS, UM, OF COURSE ALSO A SOLE SOURCE FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL CABINET REPLACEMENT AT SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE AND KREER ROAD INTERSECTION.
UM, THIS IS ALSO SOLE SOURCE FROM ECO LIGHT AND IT IS, UM, IN THE AMOUNT OF $31,086 AND 5 CENTS.
SAME DEAL AS THE PREVIOUS FIVE FEE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANYBODY ELSE BUT OKAY.
UM, FIVE D IS DID YOU, I'M SORRY BRUCE TOO.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT TO TO TO, UH, COUNCILMAN ROGERS POINT, IT, IT IT'S THE VICIOUS CYCLE.
OF, OF THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE LIFESPAN OF THIS AND YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY TO GET CAUGHT UP IN THAT.
UM, FIVE D THEN IS, HOW DO YOU SAY THAT IT'S TURB, IS IT TURBID? DEMEANORS? TURBID TURBIDITY METER.
I LOOKED AT THAT AND I KEPT THINKING, WELL THAT'S AN INTERESTING WORD.
SO FIVE D IS FOR, UH, THE SOLE SOURCE PROCUREMENT OF A TURBID METER AND CONTROLLER WATER ANALYSIS EQUIPMENT FOR THE WATER PLAN.
UM, COUNSEL IS REQUESTED TO APPROVE A SOLE SOURCE PROCUREMENT FOR HUCK, WHO IS THE MANUFACTURER OF THE LOW RANGE LASER IMETER, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
NECESSARY ACCESSORIES AND SERVICES TO MONITOR FILTER WATER TO COMPLY WITH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND FEDERAL WATER REGULATIONS WITH A PUBLIC WORKS WATER TREATMENT PLAN IN THE AMOUNT OF $48,841 AND 25 CENTS.
UM, THE EQUIPMENT CURRENTLY IN USE IN THIS FACILITY IS OBSOLETE WITH NO REPLACEMENT PARTS OR FACTORY SERVICE OFFERED.
AND THAT GOES BACK TO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME THINGS I KNOW SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, THE ITEMS THAT CAME UP AND IT WAS LIKE, THIS IS THE ONLY COMPANY WHO STILL SELLS IT.
THIS IS THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO REPAIR IT.
THESE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT SELL THE PARTS AND THERE YOU ARE.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ITEM? AS WE SAID, WE HAVE TO DO IT, SO WE'RE ALL RIGHT.
IF NOBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE THEN CHIEF MIGUELS, ARE YOU READY FOR FIVE E AND FIVE F AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS TOO.
YEAH, DEFINITELY SOMETHING YOU WELL AND THANK YOU.
AND THIS FIVE D IT SAYS, SAYS 17 YEARS OF SERVICE FROM THE OLDER EQUIPMENT.
SO WE OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T PAID TO UPDATE OUR EQUIPMENT EITHER.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE MANUFACTURERS IN THAT REGARD AND STUFF SO THAT THEY'VE EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS, BUT WHEN YOU DON'T SPEND THE MONEY TO UPGRADE IT, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE OPTIONS.
THE INFLUENCE COSTS FOR 40 YEARS.
WOULD YOU SAY I'VE SEEN THOSE IN FOR 40 YEARS.
SO, UH, TASERS, LESS LETHAL, UH, WEAPONS.
WE, WE'VE PREVIOUSLY HAD WAY MORE THAN WE HAVE NOW.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO REPLACE THEM THE PAST COUPLE YEARS.
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT LEASE PROGRAM, WE'VE KIND OF, BUDGET'S BEEN TIGHT THE PAST FEW YEARS, SO WE'VE HAD TO, HAD TO CUT THAT.
UM, LOUDOUN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS UPGRADING THEIR LESLIE LETHAL, UH, COLLECTING
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SYSTEM, UH, GOING TO A DIFFERENT MODEL AT TASER.UM, AND THE ONE THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY CARRYING IS THE X 26, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
UM, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY DONATING THEM TO SOME SMALLER AGENCIES.
SO, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT 42 OF THEM, UH, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO OUTFIT ALL OF OUR S SWORN PERSONNEL AND HAVE A FEW IN, UH, RESERVE.
UM, BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A SHELF LIFE ON THOSE THINGS.
UM, SO HOW DID THEY FIND IT? I I, WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THOSE, LIKE I GET WHY WINCHESTER, LIKE I CAN SEE WHY WINCHESTER MIGHT REACH OUT TO US, BUT HOW DO, I MEAN, HOW DOES ONE YEAH, HOW DO THEY JUST LIKE CALL AROUND AND BE LIKE, DO YOU NEED SOME OR YEAH, THEY'LL PUT STUFF OUT ON LIKE, UH, VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION CHIEFS OF POLICE.
VIRGINIA SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION.
SO SOMEBODY SAW THAT ORGANIZATION, SAID, HEY, WE'LL TAKE 'EM.
AND WE'RE KIND OF SPREAD, SPREAD GOOD.
HEY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT POPS UP.
UM, SO WE WOULD BE, WE, WE'D BE REQUESTING PERMISSION, UH, FROM COUNSEL TO RECEIVE, UH, 42, UM, OF THE, UH, X 26 CAERS.
UM, TO BE ABLE TO, TO OUTFIT, OUTFIT THE DEPARTMENT.
HAVE YOU HAVE TO TEST 'EM OR WHAT DO YOU DO? YEAH, I MEAN IT, OR I'M SURE THERE'S SOME THERE ARE IN BETTER SHAPE THAN OTHERS.
SO, AND THERE MAY BE SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, PARTS HERE, THESE BATTERIES WORK, THIS TASER DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, BUT WE ONLY HAVE SIX.
SO HOW THE 4 82 HAVE SOME WE'LL BE IN FAR BETTER SHAPE THAN WE YES.
IT'S, IT'S NOT THE PERMANENT SOLUTION, BUT IT'LL CERTAINLY GET US THROUGH THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
IF ANYBODY DOESN'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL JUMP TO THE, OH, SORRY.
IN, IN FULL DISCLOSURE WITH TOWN COUNCIL, WE HAVE RECEIVED THOSE TASERS RIGHT NOW.
THEY WERE, THEY'RE IN OUR POSSESSION, BUT WE WILL NOT DEPLOY 'EM UNTIL COUNCIL APPROVES THOUGH.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE PICKED 'EM UP YET, BUT WE HAVEN'T PICK UP YET.
SO YOU'RE SAYING SALE PRICE, WE'LL BE THERE 8:00 AM WE JUST GOTTA GET THROUGH TOMORROW NIGHT.
BUT WE, WE WILL HAVE 'EM, BUT WE WILL NOT, UH, WE WON'T PUT 'EM ON THE STREET UNTIL WE GET COUNCIL BROUGHT WELL, THE MIDNIGHT SHIFT THAT NIGHT, RIGHT.
UH, HOW ABOUT THE BICYCLES? SO WINCHESTER POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, UH, THEY'VE UPGRADED THEIR POLICE BIKE FLEET.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE THREE PATROL BICYCLES AND THEY'RE THE FIRST PATROL BICYCLES I THINK THAT THE TOWN EVER PURCHASED.
UM, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEY'RE THE SAME ONE.
SO THEY'RE AT LEAST 20, THEY'RE AT LEAST 25 YEARS OLD, MAYBE OLDER THAN THAT.
THEY'RE JUST OLDER, HEAVIER, THE TECHNOLOGY'S COME A LONG WAY.
UM, AND WINCHESTER'S GOT, IT'S A CANNONDALE AND FOUR TREK BIKES, UH, THAT ARE ABOUT 10 YEARS OLD.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE MUCH NEWER IN BETTER SHAPE.
UM, ONE OF OUR BIKES IS, IS CURRENTLY IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR.
UM, AND THERE'S ANOTHER STILL NEEDS SOME WORK.
SO, UH, THIS WOULD CERTAINLY BE AN UPGRADE TO OUR PATROL BIKE FLEET.
UM, AGAIN, STAFFING LEVELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE BIKES, YOU KNOW, BIKE COPS OUT ALL THE TIME, BUT WE CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, WINE AND CRAFT FESTIVAL, FESTIVAL LEAVE THE DOWNTOWN EVENTS.
WE, WE, WE USUALLY USUALLY TRY TO, UM, PUT A FEW OF THE OFFICERS ON BIKES AND THERE'S SIX OR SEVEN NOTICE JUST LIKE, UH, BIKE OFFICER.
SO THAT'S, I WAS, I WOULDN'T TAKE THOSE TWO.
YEAH, I MEAN, WHAT DID YOU SAY? I, WE NEED TO GET 'EM APPROVAL TO GET THOSE TOO.
NO, I CAN'T TAKE WHATEVER YOU CAN GET FOR FRANK.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA TAKE YOUR 10 SPEED BRUCE.
BUT YEAH, WESTERN FLYER, THAT'S SERIOUS BRUCE.
UM, BUT I WAS GONNA ASK THAT ABOUT, SO, SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE EVENTS THAT THE POLICE BICYCLES MIGHT BE USED WOULD BE THOSE, I MEAN, AND THE GUYS DO USE 'EM SOME, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE HAVING SOME PROBLEMS, UH, VANDALISM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE, THE NIGHT SHIFT, UH, OFFICERS WILL SOMETIMES, CUZ THEY CAN, THEY CAN KIND OF SNEAK, SNEAK IN AND OUT WITH THOSE.
BUT, UH, CERTAINLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST AREAS THAT WE USE PUBLIC EVENTS.
SO THAT'LL BE ON THE, ALL OF THOSE WILL BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA JUNE 26TH.
SO, UM, MR. WALTZ, BEFORE WE MOVE IN TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE CLOSED MEETING, UM, YOU ALLUDED TO IT EARLIER TONIGHT, AND I KNOW WE CAN MAKE AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT ON THE 26TH DURING OUR, DURING A COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU KNOW, TO DURING MY MAYOR'S REPORT IN YOUR REPORT.
BUT DO WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR TO NOT HAVE A WORK SESSION ON JULY? OR BECAUSE OH, THERE YOU GO.
HUH? YOU NEED TO VOTE WHEN ON THE 26TH, THE 20? CORRECT.
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RIGHT.NO, I KNEW WE JUST CHANGED THE DEPA CODE AND I DO APOLOGIZE THAT WE THAT, UM, BUT AFTER THE LAST, I'M SURE STEPHANIE, WELL, THE FIRST MONDAY WAS ALREADY IN CODE.
RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
BUT ANYTIME YOU REMOVE A REGULAR MEETING, WHETHER IT'S A WORK SESSION OR I JUST THINK YOU HAVE TO VOTE, I JUST, I JUST KNOW THAT WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, BEING JULY 3RD THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, AND WITH THE FIREWORKS THAT NIGHT, IT WAS JUST GONNA BE, I JUST DIDN'T WANNA DISCOURAGE ANYBODY, STAFF OR COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM BEING ABLE TO DO SOMETHING THAT, AND THERE'S A, THE CARDINALS GAME FOLLOWED BY THE FIREWORKS FROM THE TOWN AND, AND SOME PEOPLE KIND OF LOOP THAT ALL INTO ONE BIG FOUR DAY WEEKEND.
SO JUNE 26TH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
THE CODE REQUIRES A FINDING OF, UH, UN UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES, I BELIEVE SO THAT, THAT CAN BE, THAT THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED.
THE SCHEDULING IS AN UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCE.
THE NEXT ITEM IS THE CLOSED MEETING.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSE, MAKE A MOTION? OKAY.
CAN YOU DO THAT PLEASE? PLEASE? OKAY, I'LL DO IT.
TODAY, I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL, CONVENE A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 AND 2.2 DASH 37 12 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE, PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 37 11 A, ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY.
MORE SPECIFICALLY, TOWN ATTORNEY TRIER.
HEY, WE NEED A VOTE TO GO IN TO CLOSE.
AND BEFORE WE START CLOSE, I'M JUST GONNA, UM, SAY I THINK EVERYBODY, IF THEY NEED A RESTROOM BREAK, LIKE I DO.