* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] OKAY, [I. CALL TO ORDER] I'LL CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, MAY 17TH, 2023. MS. POTTER, COULD YOU DO A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRMAN MERCHANT HERE. VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS HERE. COMMISSIONER WOOD. COMMISSIONER ER HERE. COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS HERE. SO WE HAVE A QUORUM. [III. ADDITION/DELETION OF ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA] OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS WILL BE AN ANY ADDITION OR DELETION TO ITEMS, UH, TWO OR FROM THE AGENDA. UM, WE DO HAVE TO ADD TONIGHT THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IF YOU REMEMBER AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE MADE A MOTION TO DEFER ACTION ON THAT MOTION UNTIL THIS MEETING. UH, SO IF YOU NO OBJECTION, I WILL PLACE THAT UNDER OLD BUSINESS AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT, UH, PARTICULAR MOTION AT THAT TIME IN THE OPPOSITION. HEARING NONE WILL MOVE THAT TO THE OLD BUSINESS. [IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] UH, NEXT ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM OUR MARCH 19TH REGULAR MEETING. MOVE TO APPROVE. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL RECUSE MYSELF SINCE I WAS ABSENT FROM THAT MEETING. SOUNDS GOOD. UM, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MS. POTTER, COULD YOU READ A ROLL CALL PLEASE? VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS? YES. COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? YES. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. AND COMMISSIONER MARSH'S ABSTAINING. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED FROM OUR MARCH 19TH, 2023 REGULAR MEETING. UH, [V. CITIZEN COMMENTS] THIS NEXT TIME WE HAVE A SECTION OF OUR MEETING, UH, RESERVED FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS. THIS IS FOR, UH, ANY CITIZEN THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON ANY ITEM OTHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT. SO IF YOU HEAR OF ANY, OR IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ANY REASON, UH, OTHER THAN THE, UH, SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARINGS, NOW IS THE TIME TO SPEAK. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK UNDER CITIZEN COMMENTS, SEEING NOBODY RISING, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SCHEDULE. UH, [VI. CONSENT AGENDA] ITEM SIX TONIGHT IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THAT WHICH WE WILL REVIEW. UH, WE'VE BEEN INFORMED THAT THE APPLICATION, OR IT'S A REZONING APPLICATION, THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND IS COMPLETE. UM, WE WILL SCHEDULE A WORK SESSION ON THAT ON JUNE THE SEVENTH FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE THE 25TH. PROVIDED, UH, ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED ON JUNE THE SEVENTH WORK SESSION. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT CHAIR? WILL A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA? IS THAT MOVED? WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. SECOND BY MR. WELLS. MS. PONDER, COULD YOU GIVE US A ROLL CALL FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER NER. YAY. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? YES. VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS? YES. SO WE WILL, THAT MOTION IS APPROVED. SO WE WILL HAVE THAT REZONING APPLICATION AT OUR WORK SESSION ON JUNE THE SEVENTH. [VII. PUBLIC HEARING] NOW IS THE TIME FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE HAVE MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT. SO, UM, UH, I'LL READ THIS, UH, ONE TIME. THIS IS OUR, UM, UH, RULES FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, THAT WE ADHERE TO AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, PLEASE DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UH, DO NOT ADDRESS THE APPLICANT, UH, OR STAFF OR ANY OF OUR OTHER SPEAKERS. UM, THIS IS ENTIRELY, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO EXPRESS YOUR COMMENTS ON THE PARTICULAR ISSUE BEFORE US. UH, IT IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION, SO WE ASK THAT, THAT YOU RESPECT THAT. UM, INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP, UH, OTHER THAN THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE, SHALL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, UH, MAKE YOUR COMMENTS. WHEN YOU TAKE THE PODIUM. PLEASE, UH, REPEAT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, FOR THE VERBAL RECORD. AND REMEMBER THAT ALL COMMENTS MUST BE CONFINED TO MATTERS GERMANE TO THE BUSINESS OF THE COMMISSION REGARDING THIS APPLICATION. UM, POLITICAL OR PERSONAL ATTACKS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS NUMBER 2 2 0 4 2, A APPLICATION FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL FOR VESTA [00:05:01] PROPERTY MANAGEMENT STAFF. IF YOU COULD UPDATE US ON THIS APPLICATION PERMIT 22 0 4 0 2 SUBMITTED BY VESTA PROPERTY MANAGEMENT IS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL LOCATED AT TWO 11 SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE. IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 20 A SEVEN DASH FOUR DASH 1 0 5. IT IS IN THE, UH, COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT, UH, AND IT IS IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT. THE REQUEST IS FOR A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL THAT INCLUDES THREE BEDROOMS FOR SIX PEOPLE. THIS IS THE VIEW FROM SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE. AND, UH, ANOTHER SHOT AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF THE STRUCTURE. THAT'S THE, UH, TAX MAP NUMBER WHERE THAT IS LOCATED AT TWO 11. AND A SURVEY PLATTED THE PROPERTY IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. UH, THERE'S A FENCED IN AREA WITH A PRIVACY FENCE THAT SURROUNDS THE BACKYARD AND A PARKING AREA THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING OF SIX VEHICLES AGAIN FOR THREE BEDROOMS AND SIX PEOPLE. THE SITE WA INSPECTION WAS CONDUCTED ON APRIL 28TH AND IT MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH NO CONDITIONS AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. JOHN. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK HONOR? OKAY. THE APPLICANT CHOOSES NOT TO SPEAK. SO AT THIS TIME, UM, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK. THERE WERE NO PERSONS SIGNED UP. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE SHORT TERM RENTAL APPLICATION? 22 0 0 4 0 2. VESTA PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. SECOND CALL FOR ANY SPEAKER TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER. THIRD AND FINAL CALL SAYING NOBODY RISING. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF HEARING, MA'AM? OKAY. WE'LL, CERTAINLY A MOVE TO A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 2 4 2 FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL LOCATED AT TWO 11 SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE. WE HAVE A MOTION IS OUR SECOND. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MS. POTTER, WOULD YOU READ THE ROLL CALL FOR THIS, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? YES. COMMISSIONER NER? YES. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS? YES. THE MOTION IS APPROVED. WE WILL SEND A RECOMMENDATION OR A, UM, A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL, UH, FOR THEIR PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE KNOW WHAT DATE THEIR PUBLIC HEARING IS FOR THE COUNCIL BY ANY CHANCE? I CAN'T KEEP MIKE WORKING. NO, NOT AT THIS TIME. COUNSEL WILL SET THAT, BUT IT WILL BE AT THEIR, UH, THEY, THEY, THEY WILL SCHEDULE FOR THEIR REGULAR MEETING. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER 2 3 0 0 180 4. PETER LEMON AND SCOTT LLOYD. THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FROM PARKING REQUIREMENTS. UH, STAFF JOHN'S ALREADY HERE ON THE BALL. YEAH. PERMIT 23 0 180 4. SPECIAL EXCEPTION, UH, FOR 15 CHESTER STREET. REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION RESULTING REQUESTING EXCEPTION FROM THE PARKER REQUIREMENTS OF 1 48 DASH TWO 11.2 PURSUANT OF TOWN CODE 1 48, 8 70 A 18 AND 1 48 2 11 A ONE FOR THE PROPERTY. 15 CHESTER STREET IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP NUMBER 28 8 DASH FIVE DASH THREE. THE PROPERTY IS ZONE C2 LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT IS IN WITHIN THE, UH, HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF CHESTER STREET AND LAURA VIRGINIA HEALTH PLACE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION. A SURVEY PLAT OF IMPROVEMENTS IN THE APPLICANT'S LETTER STATING THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST. ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, THE PARKING AREA CURRENTLY CAN ACCOMMODATE FOUR PARKING SPACES. IS LOCATED THERE BEHIND THE TOWN PARKING LOT AT THE GAZEBO THERE AT THE CORNER OF, AGAIN, OF CHESTER STREET IN LOWER VIRGINIA HILL PLACE, [00:10:01] SECTION ONE 75,104. THE TOWN CODE REQUIRES ALL NEW USES OR DEVELOPMENTS AND CHANGE OF USE SHALL COMPLY WITH THE OFF-STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 1 48. THE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATION 23 1 21 IS FOR PROFESSIONAL OFFICES TO BE ESTABLISHED AT THIS LOCATION. SECTION 1 48 80 78 2 REQUIRES FOR PROFESSIONAL OFFICES ONE PARKING SPACE PER 300 GROSS SQUARE FEET. THE BUILDING HAS A TOTAL GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 2,742 SQUARE FEET, THUS RESULTING IN REQUIREMENT OF NINE PARKING SPACES. CHAPTER 1 48, 8 78 A 18 STATES. AS WITH THE STANDARDS OF THIS CHAPTER, OFF-STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS MAY BE WAIVED BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 1 48 2 11 OF THIS CHAPTER. 1 48 2 11 A STATES A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO THE GENERAL REGULATIONS OF THIS CHAPTER MAY BE GRANTED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL AND 1 48 2 11 D PRIOR TO APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF ANY REQUEST FOR EXCEPTION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING IN ACCORDANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15 2 22 0 4 TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE TOWN COUNCIL. THERE IS THE SURVEY, UH, PLAT OF THE PROPERTY SHOWING THE STRUCTURE HERE AND THE AREA HERE THAT IS PAVED, UH, THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE AT THIS TIME FOR PARKING SPACES. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, JOHN. I'M SURE AFTER WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. UM, MR. LLOYD, YOU SIGNED UP FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD YOU RATHER SPEAK AS A, AS AN APPLICANT? YES. YES. OKAY. OKAY. IF THE APP GONNA COME FORWARD AND SPEAK. HELLO EVERYBODY. UH, THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. UM, I JUST WANTED TO COME AND CLARIFY, UH, OF SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT I PROVIDED AT THE WORK SESSION THAT, UH, THE IDEA THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNERS HAD, UH, RECEIVED A SPECIAL USE, UH, PERMIT FOR RESIDENTIAL USE OF THE PROPERTY. AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE IN RED DESIGNATING IT AS FULL COMMERCIAL. WE'RE HAVING THIS PARKING ISSUE. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IT APPEARS THE PREVIOUS OWNERS HAD, UM, RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION FOR JUST PART OR HALF OF THE, UM, THE PROPERTY AND WHICH ALSO SORT OF MAKES SENSE THAT WE HAVE FOUR EXISTING PARKING SPACES. AND SO THE FRONT PORTION WAS USED, I, I GUESS AT LEAST BACK INTO THE EIGHTIES, CUZ I SPOKE TO SOME OF THE PREVIOUS OWNERS, UH, FOR HALF COMMERCIAL IN THE FRONT. AND THEN THE BACK, UH, THEY, THEY WOULD RENT OUT THE, UM, THE BACK PORTION FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. AND SO IT'S TWO METERS, TWO USES. AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO THIS, UH, RENEWED PARKING ISSUE. UM, AS FOR, JUST TO REITERATE, SOME OF THE GROUND THAT WE COVERED DURING THE, THE WORK SESSION FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE, OF THE PUBLIC, UH, IT'S POSSIBLE FOR US TO ACHIEVE THOSE PARKING SPACES ON THE PROPERTY. THE PROBLEM IS THAT WITH THE HISTORIC, UH, NATURE OF THE PROPERTY AND, AND THE WAY I IT'S REFLECTED HERE, I BROUGHT SOME PICTURES THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET UP ON OUR COMPUTER SYSTEM. BUT, UH, BEYOND THE PAVED PORTION THAT SERVES AS THE CURRENT PARKING, THERE'S A, A GRASSY, UH, AREA THAT'S ENCLOSED, UH, ON MOST SIDES WITH HEDGES. UH, AND THERE'S ALSO A, A WALNUT TREE DATING BACK TO FOREVER. AND SO, UM, WE WOULD BASICALLY SHORT OF PAVING OUR FRONT YARD AND OUR, AND OUR SIDE YARDS, WE WOULD HAVE TO, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO PAVE OVER GRAVEL OVER, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT WOODED AREA OR THE GRASSY AREA THAT I THINK, UM, ADDS A LITTLE BIT OF OF AESTHETIC TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA. I THINK IT'D BE A, I THINK WHAT'S THERE IS A LOT NICER TO LOOK AT THAN MORE PARKING. ALSO IN THE, IN THE PICTURES THAT I WAS, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET TO WORK FOR US. UM, IF YOU LOOK FROM THE HOUSE OVER THE, OVER THE YARD, YOU SEE OVER TO THE LEFT, THERE'S, UH, AMPLE PRIVATE PARKING OVER THERE. THERE'S, WELL, I, I GUESS I'LL PUT IT IN ANOTHER WAY. THERE'S A PARKING LOT OVER, OVER TO THE LEFT ON THE, UH, NORTH SIDE OF TOWN BEHIND THAT, THERE'S A, ANOTHER [00:15:01] PARKING LOT, UH, A PRETTY LARGE ONE, UH, FOR, FOR BLUE IN, UM, HEADING INTO THAT, UH, LITTLE SECTION BEHIND THAT, THERE'S THE ENTRYWAY INTO A PARKING LOT TO VALLEY HEALTH. AND THEN, UM, STRAIGHT BEHIND THE, UH, UH, THE PROPERTY ON THE FACING EAST, WE HAVE THE ENTRYWAY TO THE PUBLIC PARKING, AND THEN TO THE NORTH WE HAVE THE PUBLIC PARKING. AND SO REALLY, I THINK THERE'S JUST PARKING ALL OVER THE PLACE AND WE'RE SORT OF ASKING OUR OURSELVES TO JUST PAVE OVER ANOTHER PORTION OF THE HISTORIC AREA OF TOWN, UH, ACTUALLY PAVE OR FIGURATIVELY PAVE IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE PARKING IN A PLACE WHERE I THINK WE'VE GOT, UH, PLENTY OF OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO US. SO THAT I'LL JUST WAIT IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR US. THANK, THANK YOU MR. LLOYD. OUR NEXT SPEAKER SIGNED UP WILL BE ELLEN ADDERS. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW FOR OUR FIRST SPEAKER, ELLEN ADDERS. THANK YOU, CONNIE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ELLEN AERS. UH, I LIVE AT TWO 19 EAST PROSPECT STREET, AND I REALLY JUST WANNA ECHO EVERYTHING THAT THE APPLICANT SAID. I WENT DOWN THERE, UH, AND CHECKED OUT THE AREA BEFORE I CAME TONIGHT. AND IF YOU'RE SITTING AT THE PAVILION, YOU HAVE A NICE VIEW OF THE SHRUBS IN THE GREENERY. AND IF ALL OF THAT IS REMOVED IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE NINE PARKING SPACES, ANYBODY WHO COMES DOWNTOWN TO ENJOY THAT AREA IS NOW GONNA BE LOOKING AT PAVEMENT INSTEAD OF OUR, YOU KNOW, THE SHRUBS AND THE GREENERY, WHICH DOES ADD TO OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. WHILE THE COMP PLAN HASN'T BEEN PASSED OFFICIALLY YET, THE SURVEYS ARE IN THERE FROM THE CITIZENS AND THERE'S NO DENYING THAT A LARGE MAJORITY OF OUR CITIZENS WISH TO KEEP THE SMALL TOWN CHARM, PARTICULARLY DOWNTOWN. AND THAT'S MORE THAN JUST A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES THE GROUNDS AROUND THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE. ALSO, YOU CAN'T HEAR ME. OKAY. SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER ALL OF THOSE THINGS WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION TONIGHT. UH, AND I HOPE THAT YOU WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO OUR TOWN COUNCIL THAT, UM, THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION GO THROUGH. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THIS MATTER TONIGHT? ANYONE ELSE? SECOND CALL. THIRD AND FINAL CALL FOR A SPEAKER TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING. SEEING NOBODY COMING FORWARD, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? I HAD, I HAD ONE FOR THE APPLICANT. SCOTT, COULD YOU COME TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? THANK YOU. I JUST WANNA SEE IF I PASS THE TEST HERE. YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION ARE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, PROBABLY LEAVING WORK BEFORE 5:00 PM IS THAT CORRECT OR INCORRECT? DEPENDS ON OUR FILING DEADLINES, BUT THAT'S A GOOD, BUT GENERALLY YOU'RE NOT THERE AFTER 5:00 PM MORE THE WEEKENDS, RIGHT? RIGHT, GENERALLY, YEAH. SO, SO AS FAR AS PARKING, THERE'S PLENTY OF PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO PARK AND WALK OVER TO YOUR OFFICE? YES. THANK YOU. UH, SCOTT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU IS THEN MAYBE ONE OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, SO BASICALLY YOU DON'T WANT TO CREATE THE PARKING SPACES BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC FEATURES THAT EX CURRENTLY EXIST ON THE SITE. HISTORIC AND AESTHETIC? YES. OKAY. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THAT WAS THE REASON FOR IT. YES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU. UH, ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? UM, I, UH, DIRECTOR, UM, IF, IF THEY WERE TO, OR IF THIS, IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO REQUIRE PARKING BE CONSTRUCTED, WOULD THE HISTORIC, UH, FEATURES HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD? I BELIEVE THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW A NEW PARKING AREA. OKAY. AND OF COURSE, TH THIS GROUP, THIS BODY HAS DISCUSSED MANY TIMES THE PARKING EXEMPTION. ALL OF THE BUSINESSES LOCATED ON MAIN STREET AND SOME ON JACKSON STREET ARE EXEMPT FROM PARKING REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC PARKING THAT THE TOWN MAINTAINS ON PEYTON STREET. UM, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED MANY TIMES, UH, CAUSE WE HAD, WE'VE HAD OTHER APPLICATIONS ACROSS THE STREET FOR PARKING SCENARIOS OF WHICH WE DENIED. UM, BUT THAT IT JUST MAKES COMMON SENSE THAT THIS AREA WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT PARKING EXEMPTION. UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET COUNSEL TO REQUEST US TO MOVE FORWARD ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT, UH, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A MYSTERY TO ME WHY THESE, THIS LOT [00:20:01] AND THE OTHER LOTS IN PARTICULAR HAVE NOT BEEN INCLUDED IN THAT PARKING EXEMPTION BECAUSE IT'S IN, IN SOME CASES THEY'RE, THEY ABUT RIGHT UP TO IT AND ARE NOT EXEMPT FROM IT. SO, UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THE PLIGHT OF OUR APPLICANT AND WHAT HE IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. UM, I JUST DON'T KNOW, UH, SINCE THERE'S REALLY NO PHYSICAL BARRIER PREVENTING HIM FROM BUILDING THE, THE PARKING AREA, UH, AS TO, AS TO HOW, UM, YOU KNOW, PRUDENT, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR JUDGMENT HERE IS IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR ENDEAVOR. I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY ELSE TO COME IN DOWN THE STREET AND SAY, HEY, I GOT A, YOU KNOW, SOME SHRUBS AND SOME, YOU KNOW, AN OLD, UH, TREE. I DON'T WANT TO TEAR IT DOWN. SO, YOU KNOW, DON'T, DON'T MAKE ME USE IT FOR PARKING. UM, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FINE LINE. WE'RE WALKING HERE WITH OUR GROUP TONIGHT. MAY I RESPOND TO THAT, SIR? I'M SORRY. MAY I RESPOND TO THAT? YES, YOU MAY. UM, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. I, I AGREE THAT TOWN COUNCIL NEEDS TO LOOK AT THIS IN A, IN A, IN A MORE, IN A MORE BROAD APPROACH. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD DENY THE APPLICANT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AT THE RISK OF, AT THE RISK OF RUINING, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWN. AND, AND SO I I I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A WAY OF CALLING TOWN COUNCIL'S HAND TO GET THEM TO, TO LOOK AT THIS, UH, IN A, IN A BIGGER WAY OR IF THERE'S A CONVERSATION THAT, THAT THE, THAT THE STAFF CAN HAVE, UM, PERHAPS THROUGH THE TOWN MANAGER TO DO THAT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUNISH, I DON'T WANNA PUNISH THE APPLICANT AND CREATE UNDUE FINANCE UNNECESSARY FINANCIAL STRAIN ON THEM WHEN WE CAN USE OUR OWN DISCRETION ON THIS. WELL, AT THIS, THANK YOU. AT THIS POINT, WE ARE PLANNING ON LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE IN THE NEW ZONING ORDINANCE. WE'RE JUST NOT AT THAT STEP YET. SO IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DIRECT STAFF AND, AND THIS BODY TO TAKE UP A, AN AMENDMENT TO THE TOWN CODE, NOW WE CAN OR THEY CAN. UM, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE ARE JUST WAITING UNTIL WE GET TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE TO ADDRESS THIS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF WE DON'T MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW THE SPECIAL USE, THEN THE APPLICANT IS OBLIGATED TO CREATE NIGHT SPACES. IF COUNSEL DOES NOT, YOU'RE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL, THE FINAL DECISION WILL REST WITH COUNSEL. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS MANY TIMES AND COUNCIL HAS YET TO TAKE ACTION TO REQUEST US TO LOOK INTO THAT, BUT I, I, I, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE OF THIS TYPE USE IN THAT AREA AND WE CERTAINLY NEED, NEED TO LOOK AT IT. UH, MS. NER, YOU HAD A, WELL, I THINK THAT THIS IS A SOMEWHAT UNIQUE SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE ADJACENCIES IN THE LOCATION OF IT. UM, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION. I GUESS IT'S FOR STAFF WHERE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE, UH, THE, THE FOUR BE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. UH, WHY MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES? UH, I MEAN IF, IF THEY CAN FIT FIVE CARS ON THE LOT BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS A MINI OR SOMETHING, IS THAT GOING TO CAUSE A PROBLEM? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY MAXIMUM OF FOUR SPACES? WHEN, WHEN WE REFER TO THE PARKING STANDARDS, WE, OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE HAS A SET, UM, SIZE REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE PARKING SPACES. SO THE MINIMUM SIZE IS NINE BY 18. SO THEY WOULD NEED TO MARKET AND SHOW THAT THEY'VE MET THAT REQUIREMENT. OKAY. SO THEY JUST NEED TO MARKET FOR FOUR HAVE SITES OR CAR PARKING, UM, BUT THEY NEED TO AT LEAST MEET THE MINIMUM PARKING. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE EXCEPTION IS FOR, FOR FIVE PARKING SPACES INSTEAD OF NINE. RIGHT? RIGHT. APPLIED FOR, OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ARE THEY, APPLICANT CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. CAN I ADD ONE THING? I'M SORRY. HE'S AN APPLICANT. ONE THING PUBLIC HEARING SESSION IS HONOR. THANK YOU. HE'S AN APPLICANT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. EXCUSE ME. THE APPLICANT IS I YOU SAY, SO , UH, COME FORWARD AND PUT YOUR NAME AND WHATEVER YOU WANT TO TELL US NOW. MY NAME'S PETER. I'M SCOTT LLOYD IS A PARTNER. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO PLANT ONE THING THAT WAS, THAT WE LEARNED RECENTLY, OKAY. BECAUSE OF, UM, THE NEED FOR FE OF FLOOD INSURANCE MM-HMM. IN THAT APPLICATION, IT, IT BECAME KNOWN TO US THAT EXACTLY ONE INCH OF THE BUILDING CORNERED ONLY ONE INCH IS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN. AND THE REASON WHY THE REST OF IT'S NOT, AS A RESULT, THERE'S GONNA BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THE FLOOD INSURANCE IS [00:25:01] GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE REQUIRED FOR IT. BUT THE REASON THAT THE BUILDING EXCEPT ONE INCH IS NOT IN THE FLOOD PLANT ACCORDING TO FEMA, IS BECAUSE THE SAME GRASSY BEAUTIFUL AREA WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS APPROXIMATELY THREE AND A HALF FEET LOWER IN ELEVATION THAN THE ACTUAL BUILDING PATH. AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO OUT THERE, OUR, OUR PHOTOGRAPHS THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT WOULD'VE SHOWN THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE, ESPECIALLY SINCE A BUNCH OF GROUND WORK HAD JUST BEEN DONE ON THE GROUNDS. UM, YOU CAN NOW SEE THE STEPS THAT WERE, THAT WERE BUILT, WE UNDERSTAND BY DR. GARRISON, ARE ACTUALLY IN THAT LOWER GRASSY AREA. SO NOT ONLY WOULD YOU LOSE THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THOSE CEMENT STEPS THAT ARE STILL THERE THAT DR. GARRISON HAD GOING UP TO THE UPPER LEVEL. I DON'T THINK I'M LOUD ENOUGH, BUT YOU'D, UH, , YOU'D ALSO LOSE. THANK YOU. I'LL JUST GO OVER HERE . YEAH, BUT YOU'D, UM, YOU'D ALSO LOSE THE, UM, THE THREE AND A HALF FOOT DROP DOWN. AND SO NOW IT BECOME IN THE FLOODPLAIN WOULD ACTUALLY SUBJECT THE HISTORIC BUILDING TO BEING FLOODED. NOT ONLY BEING FLOODED, BUT HAVING TO HAVE A REQUIREMENT OF FLOOD INSURANCE, WHICH IT RIGHT NOW IS, IS DEBATABLE THAT IT SHOULD EVEN HAVE, BUT YOU WOULD LOSE NOT ONLY THE AESTHETICS, BUT YOU'D LOSE THREE AND A HALF FEET OF, OF DIFFERENCE IN THE, IN THE GRADE, WHICH ANYBODY WHO GOES OVER THERE CAN SEE NOW VERY CLEARLY THAT BIG DIFFERENCE. IN FACT, I WAS WALKING ON THE, ON THE STEPS THAT ARE STILL LEFT THERE, THE, THE ANCIENT STEPS. AND WHEN YOU WALK UP THOSE THREE STEPS, NOW YOU'RE AT THE LEVEL OF THE PARKING PART. OKAY. I I SHOULD IMAGINE THAT THAT MAKES A BENEFIT FOR THE GAZEBO PARKING LOT TOO, BECAUSE IT KEEPS THE GAZEBO PARKING LOT FROM GETTING FLOODED, HAVING THAT DIP. YES. SO THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. VERY IMPORTANT DIMENSION. AND, AND FRANKLY, WE WOULD BE, UM, HAPPY IF WE'D LIKE TO IMPROVE THAT GRASSY AREA SO THAT IT IS EVEN PRETTIER, UM, LIKE MAYBE SOME GARDENS, UM, GARDEN BOXES AND MAYBE EVEN A FOUNTAIN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JOHN. IS THIS IN THE FLOODPLAIN? THE REPORT DIDN'T INDICATE THAT NO ELEVATION CERTIFICATE WAS SUPPLIED TO DETERMINE IF THE STRUCTURE WAS IN OR OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN. UH, BUT IT WOULD BE JUST THE FLOODPLAIN, NOT THE FLOODWAY, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, CHAIR, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF YOU'RE READY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE FRONT RULE TOWN COUNCIL FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION PERMIT 2301 84 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES PERMITTED ON THIS PROPERTY IS FOUR SPACES. SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY ONE THING. UH, MADAM, UH, DIRECTOR, IF THIS IS APPROVED, UH, THIS IS NOT A SPECIAL USE, THIS IS A EXCEPTION. SO THIS IS ONLY FOR THIS BUSINESS LICENSE, CORRECT? IF SOMEBODY ELSE WERE TO COME IN, WOULD THEY HAVE TO, IF, IF, IF THIS PROPERTY IS SOLD EXCEPTION FORM THE PROPERTY, WOULD, IS THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION RUN WITH THE LAND OR JUST THE APPLICATION? TO MY KNOWLEDGE THEY RUN WITH THE PROPERTY. IT'S, IT'S GRANTED. SO WE'RE CREATING A SITUATION WHERE, WHERE, WHERE THIS PARKING EXEMPTION RUNS WITH THE LAND FROM HERE OUT PROPERTY, AS LONG AS THE USE STAYS THE SAME. SO IF THEY CHANGE USE, WE WOULDN'T, OKAY. I, I JUST DON'T WANT THIS THING TO BE IN PERPETUITY FOR SOMEBODY DOWN THE ROAD TO COME IN AND PUT ANOTHER RETAIL IN THERE THAT MAYBE FOUR PARKING SPACES WOULD NOT WORK OUT FOR. I WILL ADD, THIS IS A BY RIGHT USE IN THIS DISTRICT. SO IT'S A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND THE, THE DESIRE OR THE INTENTION OF THE DISTRICT IS TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY OCCURRING THERE, SO IT IS APPROPRIATE. THE RETAIN WOULD ALSO BE APPROPRIATE THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MS. POTTER, WOULD YOU, UH, CALL THE ROLL FOR THIS PLEASE? COMMISSIONER ER AYE. VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS? YES. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? YES. OKAY. WE WILL FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO COUNSEL. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE, NOW THIS IS A BIT OF AN UNUSUAL SITUATION IN THAT THE NEXT THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE [00:30:01] IN EFFECT FOR SIMILAR USES BY THE SAME APPLICANT ON THREE ADJACENT LOTS. SO, BUT WE DO HAVE TO HOLD THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT IF YOU SPEAK IN THE FIRST ONE, AND ONCE WE GET THROUGH THAT ACTION ON THE SECOND ONE, IF I CALL YOUR NAME AGAIN AND YOU MERELY, I JUST HAVE TO RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY, UH, WHAT I SAID BEFORE APPLIES FOR THIS ONE TOO, AND THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UH, COME FORWARD AGAIN, WE WILL MERELY ACKNOWLEDGE IN THE NOTES THAT, THAT THE SAME COMMENTS YOU MADE THE FIRST TIME AROUND WILL APPLY. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. AND FOLLOW UP TO MY, UM, RECUSAL DURING THE WORK SESSION? YES. I, I WISH TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THESE THREE AS WELL. YES, SIR, YOU ARE EXCUSED. OKAY. SO OUR FIRST OR OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS NUMBER 23, 213 COOK REALTY, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR A RENTAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1125 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY STAFF, IF YOU COULD ENLIGHTEN US, PERMIT 23 213 IS FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SHORT-TERM RENTAL, AGAIN LOCATED AT 1125 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY IS IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 20 A 1 0 3 DASH EIGHT A IS IN THE R ONE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. REQUEST IS FOR A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL OF THE MAIN BUILDING, UH, LABELED AS COTTAGE THREE AND FOUR IN YOUR UH, PACKET. IT CONTAINS TWO BEDROOMS FOR FOUR PEOPLE AND HAS ONE ACCESSORY USE DWELLING UNIT COTTAGE NUMBER FIVE, THAT CONTAINS ONE BEDROOM FOR TWO PEOPLE, THUS REQUIRING A TOTAL OF THREE PARKING SPACES. THE STRUCTURES ARE LAID, UH, NUMBER THREE HERE, COTTAGE FOUR HERE, AND COTTAGE FIVE THERE. AS OF TODAY, STRUCTURES IDENTIFIED AS COTTAGE THREE AND FOUR. YOUR LITTLE BLOOPER IS NOT WORKING. PUT BATTERIES IN IT. THREE THERE AND FOUR THERE. UH, HAVE NOT BEEN CONNECTED TO MAKE ONE MAIN BUILDING AND THE PARKING AREA TO ACCOMMODATE AT LEAST THREE PARKING SPACES HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED. THE SPINAL INSPECTION OF THE SITE HAS NOT BEEN CONDUCTED. TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH THREE REQUIRES NO MORE THAN ONE ACCESSORY DWELLING TO BE LOCATED ON EACH PROPERTY. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONDITIONS TO BE PLACED ON THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT. IT, THERE'S THE, UH, PLAT OF THE PROPERTY SHOWING THE THREE STRUCTURES THERE IN THE REAR OF THAT LOT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR TOWN STAFF? I'M SURE WE'LL BRING YOU BACK UP, JOHN. UH, AT THIS TIME, THE APPLICANT, YOU'RE PERMITTED TO GIVE A PRESENTATION. THANK YOU GUYS. UM, RIGHT NOW I HAVE A, A BOOKLET THAT I'M GONNA GIVE OUT AND I WANT YOU TO TURN TO THE BACK AND IT'S BASICALLY A ARTICLE IN THE BACK. ANDY IS GONNA ADDRESS THE REST OF, SHE MADE UP THIS BOOKLET AND SHE'S GONNA ADDRESS WHAT'S IN THE BOOKLET. I'M GONNA ADDRESS WHAT IS IN THE BACK OF THE BOOKLET. SO IF YOU TURN TO THE BACK, IT'S THE ARTICLE I FIRST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY AND HOW I ACQUIRED IT. AND SO WHEN I, UM, PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, I'VE LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE AND I LIVED ON A FARM OUT ON RIVERMONT DRIVE, AND I RODE PAST THIS WITH MY GRANDPA ALL THE TIME. IT WAS CALLED WILSON'S MOTORCOACH LODGE. AND IT WAS ENDEARING. THE COMMUNITY LOVED IT. IT WAS THEN SOLD TO THE HALLS AND THEY DID IT. THEY USED IT FOR THE SAME USE, AND THEN IT WAS SOLD AGAIN. AND THEY DID NOT USE IT. THEY DID RENT OUT TWO OF THE STRUCTURES IN THE REAR. AND I MET WITH, UM, CHRIS BROCK [00:35:01] WHEN I FIRST PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. AND AT THAT TIME I ASKED MR. BROCK IF HE WANTED ME TO REZONE THE PROPERTY SO WE COULD USE IT. AND UH, MR. BROGAN WAS IN ATTENDANCE WITH ME AND HE SAID, NO, AT THAT TIME IT WOULD NOT BE THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO USE IT LIKE THIS WITH AN ANCILLARY AND THAT THAT WAS THE PATHWAY. AND THEN IT CHANGED. UM, WE HAD TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION WHEN WE MET WITH, UM, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR OF THE NEW LAUREN. SO IT'S CHANGED A COUPLE TIMES AND, AND HOW IT WAS APPROACHED. EVENTUALLY IT GOT SO THAT WE HAD TO HAVE THREE LOTS. SO THAT'S HOW IT IS CURRENTLY. SO THAT THERE IS, THE COTTAGES ARE SEPARATED, THERE'S COTTAGE THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE ARE ON ONE LOT. THE MAIN HOUSE IS ON ONE LOT. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE LAST TWO ON A SEPARATE LOT. BUT THIS WAS ALWAYS, IT WAS APPROVED IN THE FIFTIES TO BE A A MOTOR COACH LODGE. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. AND THAT IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE IT IS IN YOUR NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO BE IN A MIXED DENSITY, BUT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET. IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE IN A LOW DENSITY RE RESIDENTIAL AREA RIGHT NOW, AND I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THAT. JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY, WHERE IT SITS IS HIGH DENSITY, AS HIGH AS YOU GET. UM, IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK ALL AROUND ME IN YOUR PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, IN YOUR BOOK WHEN ANDY ADDRESSES IT, THAT WE'RE SURROUNDED, UH, BY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. WE ARE THE BEST USE THAT WE COULD GET WITH WHAT YOU ALL OFFER US IS AN AIRBNB SO THAT WE COULD UTILIZE THE PROPERTY. AND AS I SAID, MY WHOLE POINT FOR THIS PROPERTY WAS SO THAT PEOPLE COMING FROM NORTHERN VIRGINIA WOULD HAVE A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO STAY. UM, BUT NOT ONLY THAT, PEOPLE IN OUR OWN TOWN, WHEN THEY HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE SMALL GROUP REUNIONS, IF THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE A SMALL VOW RENEWAL SO THAT THEY CAN COME AND JOIN AND STAY, MY MY PLAN IS TO DO MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. THEY CAN RENT THEM SINGLY AND THEN MAYBE FRIDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, YOU COULD HAVE A SMALL VOW RENEWAL. YOU COULD HAVE A LITTLE BIRTHDAY PARTY, BUT PEOPLE COULD COME UP AND USE IT. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT HERE. AND SO THERE THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS. UM, THE PACKET THAT I GAVE YOU ON THE VERY FRONT PAGE, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK UNDER MY PICTURE, YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE WAS OVER 1,300 LIKES AND 171 COMMENTS AND 184 SHARES. THIS COMMUNITY STANDS BEHIND THIS PROJECT. THEY WANTED THIS. OUR GATEWAY HAS BEEN FLOODED WITH VAPE SHOPS AND JUST THIS WAS AN EYESORE. I TRIED TO TAKE THIS AND MAKE IT SOMETHING OUR COMMUNITY COULD BE PROUD OF BECAUSE I'M PROUD OF MY COMMUNITY AND I'VE WORKED VERY HARD TO BRING THIS PROJECT TO FRUITION SO THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WHEN PEOPLE ENTER OUR GATEWAY FROM NORTHERN VIRGINIA, THEY DON'T SEE THE SPARKLING LIGHTS OF A VAPE SHOP OR SEVEN-ELEVEN OR A GAS STATION. THEY SEE KWANZA CHERRY AND OCEANA CHERRY TREES AND THEY SEE FIVE COTTAGES SITTING ON A HILL THAT LOOK BEAUTIFUL AND RESEMBLE THE BEAUTY OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND I HOPE THAT I CAN COUNT ON YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS AS I'VE WORKED VERY HARD TO DO THIS. AND ALSO, THE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS THAT AT, UM, 1 0 7 HIGHFIELD LANE, WHICH ISN'T FAR FROM THERE, IT'S AN R ONE AND IT IS APPROVED FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL AS WELL AS 30 FAIRVIEW AVENUE IS A SHORT TERM RENTAL. AND THOSE ARE IN A CUL-DE-SAC. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME. OKAY, THANK YOU. I'M SURE WILL. THANK YOU. BRING YOU BACK UP AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. OUR FIRST SPEAKER SIGNED UP TONIGHT IS ANDY ROBINSON. HI FOLKS. I AM ANDY ROBINSON, 413 VISCO AVENUE. I AM GONNA GO OVER THE PACKET THAT, OR THE BINDER THAT I JUST GAVE YOU, UH, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE. SO I KNOW AS COMMUNITY LEADER LEADERS, YOU ARE BOUND BY YOUR GOVERNING, GOVERNING DOCUMENTS, CODES, AND COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. AND I KNOW THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS YET TO BE APPROVED. HOWEVER, I'M PRESENTING TO YOU THIS EVENING. UH, I WANTED TO NOTE HOW 1 21, 1 25 AND 1135, THE TRELLIS, AS IT'S CALLED IN YOUR PACKAGE, WORKS IN CONJUNCTION WITH YOUR COMP OR WITH YOUR PROPOSED CONTRA, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. [00:40:01] IF YOU'LL TURN TO YOUR PAGE THREE, YOU WILL FIND THE ZONING MAP, THE CURRENT ZONING MAP FOR FRONT ROYAL. YOU'LL SEE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NOTED AS A STAR AND IT ZONED R ONE TWO PROPERTIES TO THE LEFT IS RED. THAT'S C ONE FOUR PROPERTIES TO THE RIGHT, THAT'S ORANGE, THAT'S R THREE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. ALSO ORANGE R THREE. IF YOU FLIP THE PAGE, YOU'LL NOTE THE MAP THAT IS IN THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT IS A MIXED DE OR A MEDIUM MIXED DENSITY USE. ALSO NOTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALONG JOHN MARSHALL HAR, JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY 11 AND 14. UH, THE SECTIONS THIS IS NOTED IS TO SUPPORT, ENCOURAGE, AND OR PROMOTE PROJECTS THAT OFFER REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNDERDEVELOPED OR IN DISREPAIR. SMALL TOWN CHARACTER PRESERVE THE SOCIABLE AND ATTRACTIVE CAR CHARM OF OUR TOWN'S CHARACTER BY ENCOURAGING COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION, PROMOTING LOCAL EVENTS AND PRESERVING ITS STOCK OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS. THE OBJECTIONS STRATEGIES IN THE SECTION SEEK TO ENHANCE THE FEELING THAT CHARACTER AND CHARM BY PROMOTING CLEANLINESS, AESTHETICS, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND LOCAL RE OF REVITALIZATION OF ARTS AND CULTURE. ON YOUR PAGE THAT SAYS HISTORY RENEWED ORIGINALLY THE TRELLIS, WHICH IS THE PROPERTIES WE'RE DISCUSSING, WAS BUILT AS WILSON'S MOTOR COURT AND HAD TWO ADDITIONAL COTTAGES. COOK REALTY IS PRESERVED AS MUCH AS THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AS POSSIBLE AND HONORED THE ARCHITECTURE. ARCHITECTURE WHERE POSSIBLE TAKING THE PROPERTY FROM UTTER DISREPAIR TO A LUXURIOUS AND UNIQUE SHOWPIECE. THE TRELLIS COULD EASILY PARTNER WITH FRONT ROYAL SPECIAL EVENTS STAFF TO OFFER PROPERTY TOURS OF ITS LUSH LANDSCAPING AND STUNNING, STUNNING REHABILITATION. THE SPACE WHICH IS NOW CLO ENCLOSED IN A VERY PRETTY PRIVACY FENCE, OFFERS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TOWNSPEOPLE VISITORS, UH, TO HOST FAMILY EVENTS, CORPORATE OR RELIGIOUS EVENTS, OR RETREATS AND LUXURY WEEKENDS. IS MY TIME UP? THAT'S OKAY. I GET TO COME BACK TWICE MORE HERE. . UM, OKAY. IN FAVOR. I AM IN VERY MUCH FAVOR OF THIS. IT'S A VERY POSITIVE AND IT'S GOING TO HELP FRONT ROYAL FLOURISH IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER, UM, CONNIE BRADLEY. YES. DID I PRONOUNCE THAT CORRECT? YES, YOU DO. I'VE BEEN KNOWN TO MISPRONOUNCE A FEW WORDS IN MY LIFETIME. SO WILL I PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? MY NAME'S CONNIE BRADLEY. MY ADDRESS IS FOUR 11 DUNCAN AVENUE, FRONT ROW, VIRGINIA. I'M HERE TONIGHT AND I'LL KEEP IT SHORT AND SWEET JUST TO SUPPORT MS. COOK. UM, I REALLY BELIEVE IN WHAT SHE'S DOING HERE AND I KNOW, UM, SHE'S ALSO DONE OTHER PROJECTS AROUND TOWN. EVERYTHING THAT SHE LAYS HER HAND TO ENDS UP LOOKING BETTER THAN WHEN SHE STARTED. I BELIEVE THIS PROPERTY IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY NEEDS AND I THINK IT'S DONE A LOT OF, UM, IT'S REALLY DONE A LOT FOR THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN. IT SEEMS THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN HAS BEEN MORE NEGLECTED. AND ANY TOUCH OF BEAUTY OR ANY, ANYTHING THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE GATEWAY THAT WAY? I AM DEFINITELY FOR, AND I'VE ALSO LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE. I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE. I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS A MOTOR COURT. I REMEMBER THE MEMORIES THAT I HAD WHEN I WAS A CHILD AND I WOULD DRIVE BY THERE AND SEE PEOPLE COMING IN AND, UH, STAYING THERE. THEY'RE GOOD MEMORIES AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT WILL CREATE MORE GOOD MEMORIES. SO THAT'S WHY I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. SHANNON BRICKY HAVE SIGNED UP. MY NAME IS SHANNON BRICKY. I LIVE AT 1415 MARKHAM STREET AND I'M IN [00:45:01] FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIMPLE FACTS AT OUR MOTEL AND HOTELS ARE ALREADY OVER POPULATED AND THIS WILL BRING MORE SHORT TERM LIVING INTO OUR COMMUNITY. AND THAT'S IT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. SHERI JENNINGS. HELLO, I'M CHER JENNINGS AND MY ADDRESS IS 29 PINE BRANCH DRIVE, BENTONVILLE, VIRGINIA. I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU THIS EVENING. UM, I'VE LIVED HERE IN WARREN COUNTY FOR 50 YEARS. WE'RE GONNA SAY THAT QUIETLY. IT'S OVER 50, BUT THAT'S OKAY. , I WORK HERE AND I VOLUNTEER IN THIS COMMUNITY AND I'M VERY PROUD OF IT AND I'M VERY THANKFUL, UM, WHEN WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES AND BUSINESSES TO DO THINGS TO BETTER OUR COMMUNITY. SO I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT. I'M GRATEFUL FOR MS. COOK AND THOSE THAT ARE LIKE HER THAT DO THOSE SORT OF THINGS, THAT THEY PUT THEIR TIME AND ENERGY AND MONEY BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY TO TRY TO KEEP SOME GOOD HERITAGE THAT'S HERE. AND ALSO TO BRING LIFE AND AND ENJOYMENT TO PEOPLE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY SO THEY CAN SEE THE BEAUTIFUL AREA AND ENJOY IT LIKE WE DO. AND SOMETIMES WE TAKE THAT FOR GRANTED. SO WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH PEOPLE. AND HAVING IT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL WILL GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND JUST SEE, UM, JUST HOW WONDERFUL IT IS. AND IT WILL ALSO HELP IMPACT THE LOCAL BUSINESSES BY HAVING PEOPLE ENJOY THAT. AND THEY'LL WANNA COME BACK FOR DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT WE HAVE AND DIFFERENT THINGS. THEY'LL BECOME MORE A FAMILY TO US AND THEY'LL KNOW THAT WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER AND THEY'LL SHARE THAT WITH OTHERS AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL HELP OUR COMMUNITY ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF HAVING THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AND I HOPE THAT YOU ALL WILL AGREE WITH ME IN THAT. UM, AND THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, LIKE MS. KOCH WAS SAYING, THAT HAS RESPONDED AND POSTED THINGS ONLINE ABOUT THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY LIKE TO SEE GOOD THINGS HAPPEN. AND SO WE WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT AND WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR FIRST, OUR NEXT PERSON IS A REPEAT SPEAKER, ELLEN ADDERS. ELENA TWO 19 EAST PROSPECT STREET. IT'S HARD TO FOLLOW CHERIE, SHE'S SO NICE AND WELL SPOKEN. BUT I MET, UH, THE DEVELOPER TWO WEEKS AGO, OFFICIALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME WHEN I REACHED OUT TO HER, UH, THINKING THAT WE MIGHT HAVE SOME THINGS IN COMMON AS I'VE STARTED ON A DOWNTOWN FRONT RUN ROYAL ENDEAVOR TO IMPROVE THINGS DOWNTOWN AND JUST THOUGHT LIKE-MINDEDNESS, WE SHOULD TALK. AND SHE INVITED ME TO THE PROPERTY FOR A TOUR, AND IT WAS POURING DOWN RAIN, POURING DOWN RAIN. THERE WAS MUD EVERYWHERE. AND WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF THAT AND PEOPLE WORKING. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND IT'S WELL DONE. AND SHE HAS AN EXTREMELY SOUND BUSINESS PLAN. UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY DOUBT THAT IF IF IT'S SENT TO COUNSEL AND IT'S APPROVED AND IT MOVED FORWARD, IT MOVES FORWARD. IT WILL BE A TREMENDOUS ASSET FOR OUR COMMUNITY. UM, WE'VE ADDRESSED CIVIC PRIDE SO MANY TIMES THAT A NUMBER OF THESE WORK SESSIONS, PLANNING SESSIONS, INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS, AND NOT ONLY THE FEEDBACK THAT SHE GAVE US BASED ON THE LIKES ON SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT EVERYWHERE I'VE BEEN, PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN A POSITIVE WAY AND WHAT, UM, HOW BEAUTIFUL IT LOOKS AND THAT SHE'S KEPT THE STRUCTURES IN PLACE. AND I REALLY DO HOPE THAT EVERYONE WILL SEE THE VALUE IN THIS AND THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION WILL, WILL MOVE FORWARD TO COUNCIL TO LET HER MOVE FORWARD WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JOE BROGAN, OUR NEXT SPEAKER. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. JOE BERGEN, 1 43 BERGENS LANE, BENTONVILLE, VIRGINIA. UM, I'M HERE TO VOICE, UM, TO BE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT. UM, I, BEING THE PROJECT SURVEYOR, UM, SAW IT FIRSTHAND FROM THE START. IT WAS A VERY DILAPIDATED PROP, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY. THERE WERE HOLES IN THE ROOF, THERE WERE HARD TO TELL WHAT WAS LIVING IN THESE STRUCTURES. UH, DOORS ARE WIDE OPEN. SO I THINK EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY CAN APPRECIATE THE SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT MS. COOK HAS MADE TO IMPROVE THIS PROPERTY IN ONE OF OUR GATEWAYS INTO THE, INTO THE TOWN. UM, IT WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED FOR TOURISM BACK IN THE FIFTIES, AND UH, I THINK BRINGING IT BACK AS A TAURUS PROPERTY IS A GOOD, UH, [00:50:01] FIT FOR THE COMMUNITY. UM, AS FAR AS THE PROJECT, HOW IT, UH, CAME TO LIGHT, UH, I THINK THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS FOR TAURUS USE. UH, THE PROJECT WAS PUT THROUGH ITS PACES. WE HAD TO, UH, GO THROUGH THE HURDLES FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS. WE HAD, UH, UM, UTILITIES THAT HAD TO BE RUN SEPARATELY FOR THESE UNITS. UH, WE HAD PRIMARY AND SECONDARY USE ISSUES THAT WE HAD TO WORK OUT THROUGH, UM, SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY AND TO GET, I THINK EVERYTHING WORKING WITH THE, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I THINK WE GOT THIS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE FINISH LINE AND I THINK WE JUST HAVE THIS ONE STEP LEFT TO, TO GET THIS PROPERTY INTO WORKING ORDER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. JENNIFER RUFFNER. HI, I'M JENNIFER RUFFNER, 7 0 5 NEW AVENUE. WHEN I WAS 18, I MOVED AWAY AND WHEN WE WOULD COME BACK TO VISIT, WE WOULD ALWAYS COME DOWN JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY. SEE HOW HORRIBLE IT LOOKED. JUST, JUST HORRIBLE. I WAS ALWAYS HOPING, CUZ I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE OR IT COULD BE A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. AND I RECENTLY MOVED BACK IN 2020 AND JUST, IT STILL LOOKED HORRIBLE. SO I, I NOTICED MS. COOK HAD TAKEN OVER THE PROPERTY AND, UM, I RECENTLY HAD TO TRAVEL BACK TO NORTH CAROLINA. AND, UM, ON MY WAY BACK, TRAVELING BACK DOWN JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY, JUST THE, ALL OF IT'S THE BEAUTY OF WHAT YOU SEE NOW, VICE VERSA, WHAT YOU USED TO SEE. AND I AM IN FAVOR FOR WHAT SHE IS DOING. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MANDY NEWMAN. HI, MY NAME'S MANDY NEWMAN, 1 38 PASSAGE MANOR DRIVE. I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF SHELLY COOK. SHELLY'S INVESTMENT IN THIS PROPERTY SHOWS HER COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY AND HER DESIRE TO IMPROVE THE TOWN'S IMAGE. THIS PROPERTY HAS ALREADY MADE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. ALLOWING SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THIS PROPERTY WOULD BENEFIT THE LOCAL ECONOMY AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. IT WOULD PROVIDE A UNIQUE AND AFFORDABLE ACCOMMODATION OPTION FOR VISITORS AND TOURISTS, WHILE ALSO GENERATING ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR THE TOWN. IT WOULD BE A SHAME IF THIS, IT WOULD BE A SHAME IF THIS RESTORED PROPERTY WERE NOT USED TO ITS FULL POTENTIAL AS IT ONCE WAS IN THE PAST. THEREFORE, I STRONGLY SUPPORT SHELLY'S REQUEST TO USE THE PROPERTY AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THIS MATTER? PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME. WELL, WE'VE GOT TWO OF IT. WE'VE GOT COMPETING INTEREST HERE. MR. LLOYD SCOTT LLOYD, 1149. HAPPY RIDGE DRIVE, FRONT ROW, VIRGINIA. UH, COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE SPOKEN TONIGHT, I'M A, A NEWBIE. UH, BUT I HAVE, UM, THIS IS, THIS PLACE IS THE ONLY PLACE MY KIDS REALLY KNOW AND I'D BE, I'D BE VERY HAPPY IF THEY, IF THEY, AS THEY GREW UP, CHOSE THIS PLACE AS A, AS THEIR COMMUNITY. AND, UM, I THINK THAT MISS COOK'S PROJECT IS, UM, I, I, I DIDN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, RE RESEARCH THIS BEFOREHAND, BUT JUST FROM THE COMMENTS I WANTED TO ADD TO THEM AND SAY, I THINK THAT HER, HER, HER PROJECT IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF THING THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE INTEREST. AND, AND, AND I THINK FOSTER A SENSE OF COMMUNITY, THE EXACTLY THE TYPE OF THING THAT I DEVOTED, UH, MYSELF TO IN PUBLIC SERVICE. AND I'M TRYING TO DEVOTE MYSELF TO IN, IN PRIVATE SERVICE IN THE HOPES THAT THIS IS THE TYPE OF PLACE WHERE, UM, FAMILIES CAN CONTINUE TO GROW, THRIVE, AND, AND FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A SENSE OF HOME. AND SO I'M GRATEFUL TO MISS COTA FOR WHAT SHE'S DOING. AND, UM, I, I HEARTILY SUPPORT, UH, THE SHORT TERM USE, UH, FOR, FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS PROPERTY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS ANYONE ELSE? YEAH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? GO AHEAD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. I'M AMANDA KENDALL, 3 25 WALKER FARM DRIVE. I'M JUST HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF SHELLY. I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT A HUNDRED PERCENT. UH, JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY GETS TRAVELED A TON IN THE FALL. THE LEAF BEEPERS COME, WE KNOW THEM, WE LOVE THEM, [00:55:01] WE HATE THEM. UH, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO STAY WHEN THEY COME, SO THEY GENERALLY GO RIGHT THROUGH, THEY GET GAS AND THEN ON THEIR WAY. HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE FOR THEM TO HAVE SOMEWHERE TO STAY? THAT IS NOT A RUNDOWN MOTEL THAT HAS PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE ALL MONTH LONG. I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND FOR THE BEAUTY OF THE GATEWAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. COULD YOU COME HERE FOR A SECOND PLEASE? YEP. OH, PUT YOUR NAME. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. PLEASE COME FORWARD. HOW ABOUT, UH, SIGN YOUR NAME IN HERE FIRST AND THEN WE CAN YOU WANT ME TO SIGN FIRST? YEAH, COME HERE PLEASE. YES. HELLO. HI HOWARD. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU. YOU MAY, YOU MAY SPEAK. MY NAME'S ANNE SHAFFER, THREE 50 BISS AVENUE, FRONT ROYAL, OF COURSE. UM, I'M IN SUPPORT OF WHAT SHELLY COOK IS DOING. IT'S JUST, SHE'S TURNED SOMETHING THAT WAS A SORE EYE SPOT TO SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL. AND LIKE THE GIRLS SAID BEFORE, WE DO NEED PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND STAY OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, OUR HOTELS ARE NOT THE GREATEST. A LOT OF 'EM ARE DRUG PROBLEMS AND SHE'S BRINGING IN GOOD THINGS AND WHOLESOME PLACES TO STAY AND BRINGING PEOPLE INTO OUR VALLEY, WHICH ALSO BRINGS PEOPLE HERE TO LIVE. THAT'S HOW I ENDED UP LIVING HERE ALMOST MY WHOLE LIFE BECAUSE MY PARENTS BOUGHT OUT SHANDOR FARMS WHEN I WAS 13. SO, AND I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE WE MOVED FROM THE CITY HERE. I LIVED IN A TRAILER, LEFT OUR BEAUTIFUL HOME IN THE CITY AND MOVED TO FRONT ROYAL. AND I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME. CAUSE I DON'T WANNA TELL YOU MY AGE, BUT IT HAS GROWN. BUT WE NEED THE BEAUTY OF THINGS HERE AND SHE HAS DONE NOTHING BUT ADD BEAUTIFUL THINGS TO OUR TOWN AND OUR COUNTY. SO I'M A DEFINITE YES FOR THIS PROJECT TO GO THROUGH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE, ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? SECOND CALL, THIRD AND FINAL CALL SAYING NOBODY RISING. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. COMMISSIONERS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? I THINK MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAD A REALLY THOROUGH DISCUSSION OF THIS IN OUR WORK SESSION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY NEW QUESTIONS FROM ME AT LEAST. OKAY. WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? THIS, I I MY QUESTION IS THAT I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. . UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO STATE, UH, I BELIEVE EVERYBODY KNOWS MY POSITION ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UH, IN FRONT ROYAL. UM, I'M CERTAINLY NOT OPPOSED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN IN THE PROPER ZONES, COMMERCIAL ZONES, UH, RESIDENTIAL ZONES. I HAVE HEARTBURN WITH, UH, SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND, AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS. AND I WILL SAY THIS APPLICATION HAS CERTAINLY TESTED THE LIMITS OF OUR CURRENT SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES US UNIQUE. UH, TONIGHT, UM, THE PRIMARY ROLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS DETERMINED IF A USE IS APPROPRIATE. COUNCIL HAS DICTATED THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE PERMITTED OR ALLOWED BY A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN ALL ZONES OF THE TOWN. UM, AGAIN, I'VE SPOKE IN OPPOSITION TO THAT FOR, FOR, FOR, FOR THE VERY REASON THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL ZONE. THIS IS R ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONE. WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULD BE THAT ZONED IS CERTAINLY UP FOR PUBLIC DEBATE AND I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THAT TONIGHT. UM, THE PROBLEM I'M HAVING, I THINK THIS IS A VERY APPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS LOCATION. I JUST WISH IT WASN'T ZONED RESIDENTIAL. UH, I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT SOMEBODY FROM TOWN STAFF WOULD ACTUALLY SAY THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE REZONED. UM, BUT AGAIN, WE, WE DON'T WANT TO IMPUGN PREVIOUS DIRECTORS OR INTERIM DIRECTORS OR, OR WHATEVER OCCURRED. UM, AND IT'S TRUE IN OUR UPCOMING COMP PLAN, WE'VE DESIGNED THIS AREA TO BE, UH, MIXED USE. BUT THE, THE QUESTION THAT, UH, THAT KEEPS COMING TO MY MIND IS, WOULD WE WANT THIS TYPE [01:00:01] OF ARRANGEMENT, SAY INVOLTA STATES OR, OR MARLOW HEIGHTS OR ANY OTHER R ONE SUBDIVISION LOCATED IN OUR TOWN? AND WHAT I DON'T WANT TO OCCUR TONIGHT IS GREEN LIGHTING, FUTURE INSTANCES OF PEOPLE PUTTING FIVE OR SIX UNITS ON A SINGLE RESIDENTIAL LOT, WHICH IS DESIGNED AND PEOPLE HAVE BOUGHT ADJACENT LOTS HERE AS AN R ONE SINGLE FAMILY ZONE. SO I'M, I'M REALLY TORN AS AS TO RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL. I, WHAT I HOPE IS WHEN THE ORIGINAL SHORT TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE WAS CREATED, THAT COUNSEL ASSURED ME THAT WE WOULD IMPLEMENT IT AND THEN LOOK AT IT AFTER A YEAR OR TWO TO DETERMINE IF, UH, IF IT'S BEING ABUSED, IF THERE ARE ANY PROBLEMS. UM, SO MAYBE THIS WOULD BE A SITUATION WHERE COUNCIL COULD, UH, PERHAPS REVISIT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL IN, IN RESIDENTIAL. BECAUSE I'M HEARING TONIGHT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE EVENTS HERE. THIS IS GONNA BE AN EVENT CENTER. WELL, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE DO NOT WANT IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE, BUT AS POINTED OUT, THIS IS ON JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY, THIS IS THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR COMING, UH, FROM DC. SO, UH, THAT'S WHY IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE DEEMED IT TO BE, UH, A MIXED USE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE. SO, UM, , SO, SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON, ON, ON THIS. AGAIN, I HAVE, I I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT, THAT MS. COOK IS, IS MAKING THE INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY. I'M GLAD THAT SOMEBODY HAS FOUND A USE FOR THOSE MINOR STRUCTURES OUT THERE. I JUST, JUST CONCERNED THAT SOMEONE ELSE IN A, IN A LESS THAN DESIRABLE, UH, LOCATION IS GONNA WANT TO DO THE SAME THING. AND, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AS A PLANNING COMMISSION TO DETERMINE IF THE USE IS APPROPRIATE. AND I FEEL THE USE IS APPROPRIATE, BUT I DON'T LIKE IT IN THE R ONE ZONE. SO, UH, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? FELLOW COMMISSIONERS? WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT WON'T BE IN THE R ONE ZONE LONG. IF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE REZONING THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT WE ARE IMMINENTLY GOING TO BE DOING HAPPENS, IT WON'T BE OUR ONE VERY LONG, VERY MUCH LONGER. OKAY. SO THIS IS A SOLUTION FOR THE IMMEDIATE, BUT THE LONG TERM PROBLEM TAKES CARE OF ITSELF WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE IN THE, IN THE COMP PLAN AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE CODE THAT ARE COMING THERE THEREAFTER. THE ZONING ORDINANCE I SHOULD SAY. OKAY. COMMISSIONER WALES, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UM, NO. I THINK IT'S A GREAT LOOKING PROPERTY AND, UH, I THINK IT, THERE'S A NEED IN THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, IT, IT, IT SERVES A PROBLEM, UH, THAT WE HAVE EVERYWHERE. UM, AND IT WILL ALIGN WITH OUR FUTURE AND HOPEFULLY SOON APPROVED AND RECOMMENDED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THANK YOU. UH, MADAM DIRECTOR. SO WE HAVE THREE OR JOHN, WE HAVE THREE CONDITIONS, CORRECT? AS FROM, FROM THE DIRECTOR? YES. UM, AND NO PERMIT WILL BE ISSUED UNTIL THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE. THE UNITS ARE COMBINED AS ONE UNIT OR THE WALKWAY OR WHATEVER IS DONE IN THERE. AND THE PARKING IS TAKEN CARE OF, PLUS THE INDIVIDUAL INSPECTION OF THE UNITS FOR SMOKE DETECTORS AND, AND WHATEVER ELSE IS REQUIRED IN THE CORRECT, CORRECT. STAFF CAN'T ISSUE THE FINAL PERMIT UNTIL WE CONDUCT THAT INSPECTION AND THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF THAT. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN ALSO THE, THE THIRD CONDITION IS THAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS VALID FOR A YEAR AFTER WHICH TIME THE APPLICANT MUST REAPPLY WITH NO FEE. CORRECT. EXCUSE, EXCUSE ME. BECAUSE ONLY COUNCIL CAN WAIVE FEES. WE CAN'T WAIVE THE FEES. UM, BUT WE'LL RECOMMEND THAT THEY WAIVE THE RENEWAL FEE. IF, IF, IF THAT'S OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF OR APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIR, ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL FOR A SPECIAL ABUSE PERMIT 23,213 FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL LOCATED AT 1125 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. AND THIS, THIS COVERS ALL THREE PROPERTIES OR DO I NEED THREE SEPARATE RECOMMENDATIONS? UH, NO, WE, WE'VE GOTTA DO IT FOR EACH ONE, SO, OKAY. THREE SEPARATE. I THINK THE OTHERS HAVE DIFFERENT REGULATIONS, BUT OKAY. LOCATED AT 1125 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, [01:05:01] SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS CONTINGENT UPON THE UNIT'S PASSING STAFF INSPECTION BEFORE COMMENCEMENT OF THE USE. TWO. THE APPLICANT MUST CONNECT THE TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TO CREATE A PRIMARY AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE LOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES. THREE. THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS VALID FOR ONE YEAR, AT WHICH TIME THE APPLICANT MUST REAPPLY THE APPLICATION FEE WILL BE WAIVED. THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MS. POTTER, YOU READ ROLL PLEASE. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. COMMISSIONER NER? YES. VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS? YES. WE WILL FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO COUNSEL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS BEING MET. OKAY. NEXT PUBLIC HEARING, APPLICATION NUMBER 23,214 COOK REALTY L L C REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTAL AT 1121 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY. GO AHEAD SIR. PERMIT 23 214 SUBMITTED BY COOK REALTY SPECIAL USE PERMIT AGAIN FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL AT 1121 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 20 A 1 0 3 DASH EIGHT. IT IS IN THE R ONE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THE REQUEST IS FOR A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL OF THE MAIN HOUSE WITH THREE BEDROOMS FOR SIX PEOPLE, THUS REQUIRING THREE PARKING SPACES. AS OF TODAY, THE STRUCTURE AND REQUIRED PARKING AREAS ARE NOT COMPLETE. THUS A FINAL INSPECTION HAS NOT BEEN CONDUCTED. TOWN STAFF RECOMMENDS CONDITIONS TO BE PLACED ON THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THANK YOU. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK AGAIN? THANK YOU AGAIN. UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, THAT THIS IS THE MAIN HOUSE AND SO HE WAS RIGHT. IT DOES HAVE THREE BEDROOMS AND WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WAS ENHANCE THE PROPERTY SO THAT IT WAS, UM, COULD BE USED AS THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THEN THE THREE OTHER COTTAGES SO THAT IT COULD BE USED INDIVIDUALLY OR ALTOGETHER. SO IT COULD BE RUN TO, AND THAT'S, IT'S ON ITS OWN SEPARATE PARCEL, THE CONSTRUCTION ON THE COTTAGES. UM, THE LAST PART WE HAVE IS ADJOINING COTTAGE THREE AND COTTAGE FOUR, WHICH YOU GUYS JUST VOTED ON AND THAT SHOULD BE DONE IN PROBABLY ANOTHER WEEK. AND THEN THE MAIN HOUSE IS SLATED TO BE DONE BY THE MIDDLE OF JUNE. AND SO WE SHOULD HAVE HOPEFULLY ALL OF OUR INSPECTIONS AND CURRENT INSPECTIONS TO CURRENT CODE, UM, BY THAT TIME THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO SUBMIT AND GET THE REVIEWS. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU GUYS, AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING. AGAIN, IF I CALL YOUR NAME AND YOU JUST WISHED TO SAY, UM, THAT YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF IT PER YOUR LAST COMMENTS, PLEASE DO THAT AND IT'LL SAVE A LITTLE TIME. SHANNON BRICKLEY IN FAVOR OF MY PREVIOUS COMMENT. SO NOTED. CONNIE BRADLEY? YES. SAME. SAME. CONNIE BRADLEY VOTES AFFIRMATIVE IN THIS SECOND APPLICATION. ANDY ROBINSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK MORE? I HAVE COUPLE MORE PAGES. HIGH AND COMPREHENSIVE. I'M, ANDY SAYS SHE'S IN FAVOR OF IT. UH, CHERIE JENNINGS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AGAIN OR YOU NO, SIR. THE CHAIR WILL RECOGNIZE THAT YOU ARE STANDING FOR A SECOND TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ELLEN OTTERS, UH, MY COMMENTS FLOW THROUGH TO THIS. OKAY. EVEN ELLEN IS THE SAME. MR. BROGAN? UH, DITTO PLEASE. DITTO . JENNIFER RUFFNER. DITTO. I LIKE THAT WORD. MR. BROGAN. DITTO. UH, MANDY. UH, NEWMAN. UH, I'M IN FAVOR. OKAY. UH, AS ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, NOBODY ELSE HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE ELSE? SECOND CALL. THIRD AND FINAL CALL FOR ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK. [01:10:01] WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. UH, COMMISSIONERS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION. NONE. HEARING NONE, UH, UH, CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. YES. EXCUSE ME. SORRY. UH, MR. COMMISSIONER, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, UH, MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT 23 0 2 1 4 FOR A SHORT, SHORT TERM RENTAL LOCATED AT 1121 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. CONDITION ONE. THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS CONTINGENT UPON THE UNIT'S PASSING STAFF IN INSPECTION BEFORE COMMENCEMENT OF THE USE CONDITION. TWO. THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS VALID FOR ONE YEAR, AT WHICH TIME THE APPLICANT MUST REAPPLY. THE APPLICATION FEE AT THAT TIME WILL BE WAIVED. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND AND A SECOND. MS. POTTER, WOULD YOU BE SO KIND AS CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. UH, COMMISSIONER NER AYE. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS? YES. WE WILL FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL ONCE THE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN MET. OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING. ITEM NUMBER 23,215, COOK REALTY FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL, 1135 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY STAFF JOHN, UH, DON'T NEED TO CALL YOU STAFF. PEOPLE THINK YOUR NAME IS. STAFF . I'VE BEEN CALLED WORSE. OKAY. PERMIT 23 0 0 215 SUBMITTED BY COOK REALTY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SHORT TERM RENTAL LOCATED 1135 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 21 0 20 A 1 0 3 DASH NINE. IT IS IN THE RE R ONE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THE REQUEST IS FOR A WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL OF THE MAIN BUILDING, DENOTED AS COTTAGE TWO WITH ONE BEDROOM FOR TWO PEOPLE AND ONE ACCESSORY USE DWELLING UNIT COTTAGE. ONE THAT CONTAINS ONE BEDROOM FOR TWO PEOPLE, THUS REQUIRING A TOTAL OF TWO PARKING SPACES. TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH THREE REQUIRES NO MORE THAN ONE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT TO BE LOCATED ON EACH PROPERTY. AS OF TODAY, THE STRUCTURE AND REQUIRED PARKING AREA ARE NOT COMPLETE. THUS, A FINAL INSPECTION HAS NOT BEEN CONDUCTED. TOWN STAFF RECOMMENDS CONDITIONS TO BE PLACED ON THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THANK YOU, JOHN. ANY THERE? HOLD ON. THEY'RE OVER THERE. TALK, UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY. THE APPLICANT IS NOTED. UM, SHE WILL NOT SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR ENDEAVOR AT THIS TIME. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN FOR THIS APPLICATION. SHANNON BROOKY. SAME AS BEFORE. SAME AS BEFORE. DITTO. CONNIE BRADLEY. THAT WOULD BE A YES. ANDY ROBINSON FAVOR SHARI JENNINGS. THANK YOU. ELLEN ADDERS. SAME. DITTO. MR. BROGAN? DITTO. VERY GOOD. JENNIFER RUFFNER? YES. MANDY NEWMAN. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PERSON WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SECOND CALL FOR ANY SPEAKER FOR THIS APPLICATION. THIRD AND FINAL CALL SAYING NOBODY RISING. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND STAFF. DO YOU HAVE ANY OR COMMISSIONERS? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT FOR THIS FINAL APPLICATION? HEARING NONE. CHAIR ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE FRONT ROW TOWN COUNCIL FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 23 0 0 2 15 FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL LOCATED AT 1135 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE. THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS CONTINGENT UPON THE UNIT'S PASSING STAFF INSPECTION BEFORE COMMENCEMENT OF THE USE. TWO. THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS VALID FOR ONE YEAR, AT WHICH TIME THE APPLICANT MUST REAPPLY THE APPLICATION FEE WILL BE WAIVED. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND AND A SECOND. MS. POTTER, READ THE ROLL PLEASE. VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS? YES. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. COMMISSIONER NER? YES. [01:15:02] I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR SHOWING UP FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE WILL FORWARD TO RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL. I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH US ON THIS UNUSUAL EVENING FOR THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND AND CONSIDERATION. OKAY. ITEM 23,000 2032 REALTY WAS PULLED SO THAT WE, WE'LL DISCUSS THAT AT A LATER TIME. [VIII. NEW BUSINESS] UH, NEW BUSINESS. WE HAVE A SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR, UH, NUMBER 2 3 0 1 52 1 16 SOUTH STREET, UH, SITE PLAN REVIEW STAFF IF YOU COULD, UH, ENLIGHTEN US ON THIS MATTER. SITE PLAN APPLICATION 23,152 FOR ONE 16 SOUTH STREET LLC. LOCATED AT ONE 16 SOUTH STREET IS A MAJOR SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR A 1,260 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING EXPANSION, A 219 SQUARE FOOT TRELLIS AND PATIO SEATING AREA, A NEW PARKING LOT EXPANSION TO FURNISH 22 PARKING SPACES, AS WELL AS A NEW RECONFIGURATION OF THE CURRENT PARKING LOT AND DRIVE THROUGH. THE RELO RESTAURANT IS LOCATED AT ONE 16 SOUTH STREET AND IS IDENTIFIED BY TAX MAP NUMBER 20 A SEVEN DASH SIX DASH 36 A. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C1 IN THE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT TOWN STAFF PLAN REVIEW FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC WORKS AND ENERGY SERVICES OFFERED VERY FEW COMMENTS AS THE SITE WAS VERY WELL DESIGNED. AS OF TODAY, THE CIVIL ENGINEERING FIRM, PATTA AND ASSOCIATES, HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS FROM WARREN COUNTY REGARDING THEIR PORTION OF PLAN REVIEW, WHICH ENTAILS EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. PART OF THE PROJECT IS PHASING OUT THAT THEY WILL DO A DEMO HERE OF THE CURRENT DRIVE-THROUGH, UH, RECONFIGURE THIS PART OF THE PARKING LOT AND GO ACROSS PINE STREET AT THESE TWO LOTS AND THEN PUT IN ADDITIONAL PARKING. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN OF THE FINAL CONFIGURATION SHOWING THE NEW DRIVE-THROUGH THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE STACKING OF THE TRAFFIC TO COME THROUGH THE DRIVE-THROUGH RECONFIGURATION OF THE PARKING HERE. ADD THE TRELLIS PATIO PARKING HERE. THE EXPANSION OF THE RESTAURANT IN THIS AREA AS WELL AS THE NEW PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET WITH ADDITIONAL PARKING. LANDSCAPING IS GOING TO BE PROVIDED, UH, WITH HEDGES AND SHRUBS AROUND THE EDGE OF THE PARKING LOT AS REQUIRED BY TOWN CODE. ADDITIONAL TREES WILL BE PLANTED. UH, TREE PROTECTION WILL BE ALONG THE TREES THAT ARE EXISTING ON THIS SIDE AS WELL AS THE HEDGE OF TREES ALONG HERE. STAFF DID RECOMMEND THE CIVIL ENGINEER THAT THE PLAN SHOULD NOT BE RESUBMITTED UNTIL ALL AGENCIES HAVE CON COMMENTED ON THE FIRST SUBMISSION. TOWN STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN APPLICATIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT ALL COMMENTS FROM TOWN STAFF AND OTHER AGENCIES BE APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED BEFORE FINAL APPROVAL IS GRANTED. THE APPLICANT AND THE REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR TOWN STAFF. JOHN, THE LIGHTING FOR THE PARKING LOT THAT'S NICE. SKY COMPLIANT, CORRECT. OR DARK SKY AT, AT THE FIRST SUBMISSION, THE MODEL THAT THEY DID FOR THE, UH, SITE LIGHTING WAS NOT THE MODEL THEY SELECTED FOR THE, UH, LIGHT WAS NOT, UH, DARK SKY APPROVED. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE HAD FOR THEM TO CHANGE THE STYLE OF THE LIGHTING. OKAY. AND THEY DID THAT. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE, THOSE CORRECTIONS AS OF YET. OKAY. UH, YOU, YOU LISTED YOUR COMMENTS, YOUR YOUR YES. IS THAT IN THE COMMENT? THEY, THAT'S IN THE COMMENTS THAT WE SENT TO THE APPLICANT AND THEIR AND THEIR ENGINEER YES. TO MAKE THOSE CORRECTIONS. SO YOUR COMMENTS [01:20:01] IS THEY, THEY HAVE TO THIS CONDITION OR THIS APPROVAL WOULD BE CONDITIONAL ON THEM ADDRESSING ALL OF YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS? YES. PLUS THE ENERGY SERVICES AND PUBLIC WORKS PLUS, PLUS WHATEVER THE COUNTY, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM, BUT WE'VE, WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THEM IS, IS IS THEIR TIME LIMIT UP ON THE REVIEW YET? UH, THEY HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO THE APPLICANT OR THEIR ENGINEER WHEN THEY WILL COMPLETE THEIR PART OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. OKAY. UH, ONE LAST QUESTION I HAVE OF YOU. THE EXISTING TWO-STORY FRAME DWELLING ON THE BACK ON THE PARKING LOT, WHAT IS THAT GONNA BE USED FOR? DID THEY EVER EXPLAIN THAT OR SHOULD I ASK THE APPLICANT? THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, YES. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JOHN? WHY IS UP HERE, COMMISSIONER? OKAY. UH, SAY THE APPLICANT IS, IS HERE. COULD YOU COME FORWARD, SIR, JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. UH, STEVEN ANTONELLI. UM, 1 66 TIMBER RIDGE DRIVE. OKAY. UH, A QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU, THE TWO STORY FRAME DWELLING ON THIS LOT, UM, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR INTENTION OF THAT? UM, I MEAN, CURRENTLY WE'RE USING IT FOR STORAGE. SO, UM, RIGHT NOW I THINK THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO USE IT AS. UM, DEPENDING ON THE BUILD OUT, UH, POTENTIALLY WE COULD HAVE ENOUGH SPACE, ESPECIALLY IF WE DID DECIDE TO OR GOT APPROVAL, APPROVAL FOR A SECOND STORY IF WE EVER WENT, WENT DOWN THAT PATH OF, OF POSSIBLY USING THAT, UH, PROPERTY, THE ACTUAL DWELLING ON, ON 3 51 PINE STREET AS, AS SOMETHING BESIDES STORAGE. OKAY. UH, AND, AND YOU'RE AWARE OF ALL THE COMMENTS THAT STAFF HAS SENT TO THE ENGINEER TO YES. A ADDRESS AND THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED? YES. BEFORE, UH, WE, WE COULD ISSUE A FINAL APPROVAL ON THAT. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NONE. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A GOOD FACILITY THERE. WELL, THANK YOU. WE, WE, WE CERTAINLY, UH, APPRECIATE HERE IN TOWN. WE'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ACCOMMODATE YOU. UH, I JUST WISH THERE WAS SOMETHING WE COULD DO WITH THE, UH, UH, UH, TRAFFIC SITUATION, YOU KNOW, AT LUNCHTIME AND AT FIVE IN THE AFTERNOON. IT'S RATHER DIFFICULT TO GET AROUND YOUR FACILITY. WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING THAT, THAT THESE, UH, THESE MODIFICATIONS TO THE, THE PROPERTY ARE GONNA ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THOSE. WELL, I CERTAINLY HAVE APPRECIATED YOUR EFFORTS IN, IN HAVING STAFF, YOU KNOW, ON SITE. WE'RE TRYING TRY TO, WE'RE UNDO DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE, BUT, BUT I RECKON THERE'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, A HAMBURGER ROLLING AND COOK SO QUICK. YEAH. SO, UH, UM, YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT OR, OR THE ENGINEER OF RECORD? OH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK PLEASE DON'T PLANT ANY BRADFORD PEAR TREES. , , THEY, THEY CAUSE SO MANY ALLERGIES BECAUSE THE WAY THEY'RE PLANTED DO, WELL, THEY STILL DO THE BRADFORD PEARS. AREN'T THOSE THE ONES THAT SPLIT, OR IS THEY SPLIT? THEY'VE DONE A MODIFIED ONE NOW, BUT, UH, AND, AND THEY'RE ALL THE, AND THEY MAKE A MESS AND THEY'RE ALL THE MALE TREES SO THAT THEY DON'T, THEY JUST PRODUCE POLLEN, BUT THEY NEVER PRODUCE FRUIT. SO THEY'RE JUST ALWAYS A DISASTER FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH CHERRY TREES THAT MAKE A HUGE MESS IN THE, THE DRIVE-THROUGH IN THE PARKING LOT. UH, LESS FLOWERING STUFF FOR ME. CHERRY TREES ARE GREAT. THE BIRDS LOVE THEM. YEP. . OKAY. WE HAVE A, A MOTION IN THE, UH, PACKET. YES. BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADD TO THAT, THAT, UH, THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL STAFF REVIEW COMMENTS PRIOR TO, UH, ISSUANCE OF APPROVAL. RIGHT. WELL, I, I WILL MOVE THAT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION NUMBER 2301 52 FOR A 12,060 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING EXPANSION, 219 SQUARE FOOT TRELLIS AND PATIO EDITION IN THE ADDITION OF NEW PARKING LOT CONTAINING 39 SPACES WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICATION NOT BE FINALIZED. ITS APPROVAL NOT BE FINALIZED UNTIL WARREN COUNTY, UH, ENERGY SERVICES AND PUBLIC WORKS COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AND COMPLIED WITH AND ALL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AND APPROVED BEFORE THE APPLICATION IS GRANTED. VERY GOOD. WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. DID YOU GET THAT COUNTY? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, MS. POTTER, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL FOR THIS, PLEASE? CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? YES. COMMISSIONER MARSH NER. YES. VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS? YES. MOTION CARRIED. SO TAKE CARE OF THOSE CONDITIONS AS STAFF HAS AND YOU'RE WELL ON YOUR WAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE IN THIS. [IX. OLD BUSINESS] OKAY. NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS UNDER ALL BUSINESS. WE HAVE AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE DEFERRED ACTION ON [01:25:01] A MOTION TO APPROVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO RECOMMEND TO COUNSEL, UH, APPROVAL OF THAT DOCUMENT. WE STILL DO NOT HAVE THAT DOCUMENT IN HAND. SO, UH, AGAIN, WE TECHNICALLY WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND IF WE, UH, WE CAN VOTE ON IT OR WE CAN, UH, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE ACTION ON THIS TILL THE JUNE 7TH, UH, DATE. IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU, YOU PREFER. OR WE CAN WAIT TILL OUR REGULAR MEETING OF THE 21ST OF JUNE. TOTALLY UP TO YOU. STAFF WOULD LIKE TO SEE US SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING ON SEVEN JUNE, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE A, WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE SCHEDULE, WE HAVE A WORK SESSION. SO WHY CAN'T WE TALK ABOUT IT AT THE WORK SESSION? UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE A, WE HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING. WE CAN'T VOTE ON IT AT A WORK SESSION. NO, BUT JUST TO TALK ABOUT IT, MAKE SURE IT'S WELL IN JUNE, ALL THE CHANGES YOU WANTED. YEAH. THE TENTATIVE PLAN IS THAT I WILL BE SENDING IT OUT THIS FRIDAY AND THAT WILL GIVE YOU TWO WEEKS TO REVIEW IT AND ENSURE THAT THE CHANGES YOU REQUESTED ARE MADE. AND THEN WE WOULD HOLD A SPECIAL MEETING ON JUNE 7TH TO CERTIFY IT, WHICH ALLOWS ME TO CONTINUE THE PROCESS AND GET IT TO COUNCIL THIS MONTH OR NEXT. OKAY. I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN ALWAYS ON JUNE THE SEVENTH MEET AND POSTPONE IT FOR ANOTHER PERIOD. UM, I WOULD KINDA LIKE TO GET THE THING DONE MYSELF, BUT, BUT I AM GETTING A LITTLE TIRED OF SPECIAL MEETINGS. CHAIR WINTERTON A MOTION. ALL RIGHT, SIR. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVED AND POSTPONED THE PENDING MOTION UNTIL OUR NEXT SPECIAL MEETING SCHEDULED FOR JUNE THE SEVENTH, 2023. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND? SECOND. ANYBODY? HE DID, HE DID. MR. WILLIAMS DID. GOOD SECOND SERVICE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? NOTHING. ALL RIGHT. MS. POTTER, ROLL CALL ON THIS MOTION, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? YES. COMMISSIONER NER? YES. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS? YES. OKAY. OLD BUSINESS. TAKE CARE OF CHAPTER [X. COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS] 10. COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS. I WOULD LIKE TO REPORT MR. DANIEL WELLS HAS PASSED HIS CERTIFICATION TO BE A CERTIFIED LAND PLANNER OR WHATEVER THEY CALL HIM. MASTER MASTER USE LAND PLANNER. CONGRATULATIONS. THAT'S A TOUGH COURSE. MR. WILLIAMS IS NEXT IN LINE. AND MR. UH, UM, GLENN, UH, GLENN WOOD, UH, IS TAKING THAT THAT COURSE ALSO, SO WE'LL SOON HAVE THE ENTIRE STAFF CERTIFIED FOR, UH, YES. AS A PLANNER. IT SEEMS LIKE THE, TO BE A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOUR LAST NAME HAS TO BEGIN WITH EITHER M OR W . THAT'S A GOOD POINT. GOOD, GOOD POINT. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER REPORTS? ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY? STATE? UH, CONNIE, YOU'RE ON THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. UM, HOW'S THAT COMING? UM, THERE WAS A MEETING TODAY AT WHICH, UH, NORFOLK SOUTHERN SPOKE, BUT I WAS NOT THERE. HOWEVER, UH, LAUREN CAN SPEAK TO IT IF YOU WISH TO HEAR ABOUT IT. OKAY. WELL, LAUREN, WE'LL GET TO THAT IN YOUR REPORT. HOW ABOUT THAT? UM, OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN? I DO WANNA SAY THAT, UM, UH, I, I HAVE FOREWARNING I WILL BE ABSENT FROM THE JUNE 25TH MEETING FOR HONORABLE CAUSES. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT, UH, HELPS A PARTICULAR SCHOOL IN IRELAND, AND THE FOUNDER OF THAT SCHOOL IS GOING TO BE IN WASHINGTON, UH, THAT DAY. AND I WILL, UM, BE THERE INSTEAD OF HERE. SO, OKAY. HONORABLE CAUSES, I BEGGED YOU TO HONORABLE CAUSE ANY, ANY REPORTS, COMMISSIONERS. UM, ONE THING THAT'S BECOMING APPARENT, UM, I'M NOT IN CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE IN THIS TOWN FOR MOWING YOUR GRASS. , UH, I'VE BEEN RIDING AROUND AND BOY, IT'S A LOT OF HIGH GRASS OUT THERE. I'M NOT TRYING TO ADVERTISE IT OR, OR SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT, UH, BUT IT IS PART OF OUR ORDINANCE AND WE DO HAVE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY TRYING TO UPGRADE, UH, THINGS. AND, UM, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE US ALL CHIP IN AND, UH, WORK TOWARD, UH, COMPLYING WITH THE, UH, ORDINANCE. THAT'S IT. MR. I THINK MR. CHAIRMAN'S PROBABLY CERTAIN THAT THOSE OF US WHO ARE SITTING AT THIS PODIUM PROBABLY DO MO OUR LAUNCH . UM, BUT ACTUALLY I WA I PROPOSE THAT THAT REMINDS ME THAT THERE IS A TRUCK WITH A PINK DONUT PARKED PAINTED ON THE SIDE OF IT, WHICH HAS BEEN PARKED ON STONEWALL DRIVE PROBABLY FOR THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AT THIS POINT. WHAT THE MATTER? YOU DON'T LIKE DONUTS? [01:30:01] UM, WELL, EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY IT, I GET, I GET A YEARNING FOR ONE. YES. SO THAT'S VERY UNHEALTHY. , WELL, I'M SURE OUR STAFF IS ON THE BALL AND WE'LL HAVE THAT INOPERATIVE DONUT TAKEN CARE OF IN NO TIME. MM-HMM. THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE STREET. THIS IS BECOMING VERY SURREAL. IS ON THE STREET. WHAT'S THAT? THIS IS BECOMING VERY SURREAL . IT IS, ISN'T IT? THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. OKAY. UM, ON THE STREET [XI. PLANNING DIRECTOR REPORT] PLANNING DIRECTOR REPORT, PLEASE GIVE US A UPDATE ON YOUR BUSINESS, PLEASE. OKAY. I WILL START WITH THE REPORT AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THE MEETING SEPARATELY. UM, IN WHAT MONTH ARE WE IN? SO IN APRIL WE HAD 43 NEW ZONING PERMIT APPLICATIONS. WE HAD 20 NEW CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES THAT IS NOT INCLUDING THE EXISTING OPEN CASES. WE HAD FOUR LAND USE APPLICATIONS, INCLUDING A REZONING. WE HAD FOUR SIGNED PERMIT APPLICATIONS AND NINE BUSINESS LICENSES THAT WERE APPROVED. OKAY. UH, NOW WHAT ABOUT THIS RAILROAD TRANSPORTATION? OKAY. AT THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON, UM, THERE WERE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT AS WELL AS, UH, STAFF AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEMBERS. WE ALSO HAD VDOT IN ATTENDANCE AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM NORFOLK SOUTHERN RAILROAD WHO JUST, WE HAD A GENERAL DISCUSSION OF THE IMPACTS OF THE RAILROAD ON THE, UM, ACCESS FOR THAT NORTHERN PORTION OF TOWN. SO, UM, WE ALSO HAD REPRESENTATIVES FROM, UM, NV R AND THEN, UM, MR. VIZA WAS ALSO IN ATTENDANCE. OKAY. UH, SEEMED LIKE I, AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT MINUTES WERE AVAILABLE OF THESE MEETINGS. DO YOU KNOW OF ANY MINUTES FOR THESE MEETINGS? I KNOW IN THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS THEY HAVE RECORDED THEM. UM, I DON'T THINK THERE WERE VIDEO RECORDINGS, BUT THOSE MINUTES SHOULD BE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE COUNTY, I WOULD ASSUME SO IT'D BE THE COUNTY THAT WOULD BE, YES. IT'S NOT TOWN. THANK YOU. I'LL, I'LL ASK THEM. TOWN DOES NOT CLERK THAT. THAT. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE DIRECTOR ON ANOTHER SUBJECT? UM, UH, MONTHS AGO, I SEEM TO RECALL THAT AT ONE POINT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS LOOPED IN SOMEHOW TO THE AGENDA OR ADVANCED WARNING OF THE AGENDA OF THE BZA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND WHAT, THAT HASN'T BEEN HAPPENING, BUT WHATEVER BECAME OF THAT, THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY BZA APPLICATIONS SERIOUSLY. OKAY. SINCE THEN. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT THAT IT JUST GOT OVERLOOKED. YEP. VARIANCES ARE WHAT YOU WOULD WEIGH IN ON AND WE HAVEN'T HAD, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY. OKAY. OKAY. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE, THE LOW NUMBER OF BUSINESS LICENSES YEAR TO DATE IN 2023. IS THAT A, AN INDICATION OF A DECLINING ECONOMY? IT COULD BE. UM, BUT ACCORDING TO OUR PERMIT SYSTEMS, JOHN ACTUALLY SPENDS 26% OF HIS TIME REVIEWING BUSINESS LICENSES. I WORK AS A BREAKDOWN OF OUR, OUR TIME ON PERMITS. COMMISSIONER NER, THERE'S AN OLD SAYING, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. YOU MIGHT GET IT. I DON'T WANT ANY MORE VAPE SHOPS IN MY TOWN. WELL, HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE SOMETHING OTHER THAN VAPE SHOTS APPOINTED FOR BUSINESS LICENSES. GOOD POINT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE DIRECTOR? HEARING NONE, UH, CHAPTER 12 WILL CONSIDER ADJOURNMENT IF YOU SO MOVE, MOVE TO ADJOURN. MOVE TO ADJOURN. SECOND. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY THE SAME. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. MOST THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.