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WE CAN DO A ROLL[Board of Architectural Review on May 9, 2023.]
CALL.READY? CHAIRMAN WATERS PRESENT.
MR. VAUGHN PRESENT IS, OH, YOU ARE THERE.
WILL YOU SEE? YOU COME IN? SORRY.
EVERYBODY GET A CHANCE TO EYEBALL THE MINUTES.
THE MINUTES YET? UH, GOING THROUGH.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING GLARING.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING.
A MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR? IS THAT FOR ALL THREE MINUTES? FOR ALL THREE MONTHS? OKAY.
MICHELLE FILES AT THE END THERE.
UM, PLEASE COME UP TO THE TABLE.
DO I SIT, DO I STAND? NO, NO, I HAVE A SEAT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'VE GOT, UM, I GUESS WE'LL GET THE STAFF REPORT FIRST FOR WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR SOME EXTERIOR RENOVATIONS.
UM, THE BACK PORCH, UH, THEY WANT TO INSTALL A PARTIAL PRI, IT'S A PRIVACY WALL TO BLOCK THE VIEW OF JACKSON STREET.
THEY WANNA REPLACE RAILINGS AND BALLISTERS AND ALSO EXTEND THAT REAR PORCH.
AND THEN AT THE GARAGE, THERE'S A, UM, I GUESS THEY WANNA CONTINUE WITH CONCRETE SIDEWALK OVER A PEA GRAVEL DRIVEWAY AREA AND REPAIR CONCRETE WALKWAY.
THERE ARE CHINEY REPAIRS, SO IT NEEDS TO BE REPOINT,
AND THEN THERE'S FRONT PORCH RENOVATIONS, WHICH WILL ADD A SUPPORT TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PORCH AND LEVEL IT OUT.
REPLACE RAILINGS AND BALLISTERS THERE, PAINT THE CEILING, UH, PAINT BLUE.
AND THEN, UM, REPLACE REPAINT THE TRELLIS.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT YOU NEED TO WEIGH IN ON THE PAINT COLORS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT JUST THE CHANGE OF MATERIAL.
SO THAT CHANGING OUT THE, UM, UH, RAILINGS AND, UM, EXTENDING THAT OR EXPANDING THE REAR PORCH.
UM, AND THEN THAT PRIVACY WALL, THAT'S THE BIG THING FOR YOU GUYS.
UM, I, I STOPPED BY THERE ON MY WAY OVER HERE AND GOT A LOOK AT IT.
UM, MET WITH MICHELLE, HER HUSBAND, HER SON.
UM, THEY EXPLAINED KIND OF THEIR THOUGHTS.
UM, IT ALL SOUNDS VERY REASONABLE TO ME.
THAT PORCH IS OVER TOP OF LIKE A LITTLE GARAGE AND IT'S GOT A, LIKE A, LIKE A, UM, A TONGUE GROOVE FLOOR IN IT.
AND THAT FLOOR EXTENDS OUT TO THE EDGE OF THAT LITTLE GARAGE.
AND ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS KICK THAT RAILING OUT TO THE VERY EDGE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA EXTEND THE ROOF.
SEE THAT? TALKING ABOUT THOSES ARE, YEAH.
SO THE RAILING WOULD COME OUT TO MM-HMM.
AND IT WAS, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE OLDER PHOTOS ON HERE.
IT'S BEEN A COUPLE DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THIS THING.
AND IT WAS, UM, PRIOR TO NOW LIKE A EBOARD KNEE WALL IN THERE.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA DO SOME REINFORCEMENT TEST CENTER POST ON THE LONG SPAN AND PUT IN A REINFORCED E OVERHEAD TO CARRY THE LOAD.
UM, CONTRACTOR HAS A, UM, THIS IS THE COLD
UM, I, I DIDN'T PRINT ANYTHING ON IT.
I THOUGHT MY RIGHT THERE MIGHT BE COPIES, BUT IF I COULD SEE, DO WE, CAN I SEE? SURE.
THE PRIVACY WALL WOULD JUST BE AN EXTENSION.
IF ON, ON PAGE TWO WHERE YOU SEE PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS A, UM, LIKE THE BEADBOARD WALL MM-HMM.
SO WHAT WE WOULD WANT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST EXTEND IT UP TO THE TOP.
SO, UM, AND WITH LIKE A, A SMALL TRELLIS UP TOP AND THEN POTENTIALLY HAVE FLOWERS IN THERE AT SOME POINT JUST SO IT'S, UH, AND THEN IT, IT WOULD BE WHITE.
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YOU'VE, UM, I KNOW I HAD SENT THAT TO YOU AT SOME POINT, BUT ALSO JUST TO, TO SEE, SO IT WOULD, THE BACK OF YOUR PACKETS.ALL, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING LAID OUT.
SO, AND YOU, YOU COULD SEE IT THERE.
SO IT WOULD BE JUST, IT WOULD BE WHITE PAINTED WHITE WOOD UP AND LIKE A PANEL.
SO YOU SEE THAT FROM THE STREET? MM-HMM.
I HAVE YOUR HUSBAND'S NAME CRYING.
BRIAN MENTIONED THAT THAT PORTION THAT YOU'VE UNCOVERED THERE.
THAT HAS THE OLD DECK BOARD MM-HMM.
AGAIN, I'M GONNA DO, CAN I JUST SHARE WITH YOU? SURE.
SO IF, UM, YEAH, IN THE, IN THE FIRST PHOTO, THERE WERE NO, UH, THERE WAS NO, IN THE BLACK AND WHITE, THERE WAS NO SHINGLES.
BUT IN THE SECOND PHOTO YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE WAS, UM, SHINGLES ABOVE THAT.
EXCEPT THAT THEY HAD NOT PUT ANYTHING UNDERNEATH SO IT WOULDN'T LEAK IT, YOU KNOW, SO THE RAINWATER WOULDN'T.
I ASSUME THAT THEY WERE STOLEN STUFF IN THERE AND YES.
SO THAT'S WHAT I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU IS ARE, IS YOUR CONTRACTOR THINKING IN THAT SAME VEIN? YES.
WE WILL WATER TYPE THAT SPACE YES.
HE SAID THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING WE COULD PUT UNDERNEATH THE PORCH TO PREVENT THE WATER FROM GOING INTO THE GARAGE.
UM, OR THE, IT'S NOT REALLY A GARAGE, BUT THE SPACE UNDERNEATH MM-HMM.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT IT WOULD BE UNDERNEATH TO PREVENT, LIKE UNDERNEATH THE JOIST AND EVERYTHING.
TWO CONTRACTORS I SPOKE TO SAID THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN DO WHAT IT'S CALLED.
UM, I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT WOULD, I MEAN, WE DO STORE STUFF UNDER THERE AS WELL, AND SO THAT IS A CONS, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE INTEGRITY OF THE PORCH REMAINS, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S NOT GONNA BE FULL OF DRY ROT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO UNDERNEATH THERE.
DOESN'T WHEN I, WHEN I CAN ASK HIM AND I CAN SEND IT TO YOU IF YOU, IF YOU'RE JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THAT'D BE GREAT.
UM, IT'S LIKE THIS PORCH HAS CHANGED A COUPLE OF TIMES.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE DOING ANYTHING DRASTIC TO CHANGE THE, YOU KNOW, THE AESTHETICS FROM THE STREET.
AND IT'S THE REAR, IT LOOKS LIKE AN ADDED ON THING.
I DON'T SEE ANY PARTICULAR STYLE TO IT THAT IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT WAS THE AFFORDABLE ADD ON AT THE TIME.
I'M INTERESTED IF NOT GOT SIZE, BUT IT IS, WELL THE OLD MAN, SEE I REMEMBER THIS FROM EARLY, WHY IT WASN'T TAKEN OUT THAT FAR.
I REMEMBER THE OLD MAN WAS BIG INTO LIONEL TRAINS AND I THINK HE HAD THEM DOWN UNDER THERE.
BIG INTO WHAT? BIG INTO WHAT? TRAINS.
AND I THINK HE HAD THEM DOWN IN THAT AND THE GARAGE.
BUT THEN WHY THE PORCH NEVER WENT TO THE EDGE OF THAT LITTLE STORAGE AND WHY THEY DIDN'T PUT A ROOF THERE.
BECAUSE THAT JUST DOESN'T, BUT YOU KNOW THAT THAT WAS BUDGET.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY HE DID WHAT HE COULD.
I'M NOT SO THE, THE SUPPORTS ON THE NEW PORCH ARE, WHAT? WERE THOSE ON THE FRONT OR JUST ON THE BACK? THEY WERE, NO, THE WHOLE NEW PORCH, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY'RE BEING MOVED OUT.
JUST THE RAILINGS BEING MOVED OUT.
SO THERE ARE NO RAILINGS ON THERE NOW.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE DOWN THAT WHOLE SCREEN PORCH AND OPEN IT UP AND, AND INSTALL RAILINGS AROUND THE PART THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE.
TO OPEN IT UP SO WE CAN SEE THE KIDS PLAY IN THE YARD CUZ YOU CAN'T SEE THEM.
SO LET'S TAKE THIS POINT BY POINT FOR THE BACK PORCH.
WE'VE GOT THE INSTALLED PRIVACY WALL OUT TO BLOCK THE VIEW OF JACKSON STREET.
PLACE THE RAILINGS AND BALLISTERS ON THE SCREEN PORCH.
SO THE RAILINGS ARE GONNA BE WOOD, THEY'RE
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GONNA KIND OF MATCH THOSE EXISTING COLUMNS.THEY'LL, THEY'LL MATCH THE FRONT, THE, UM, THE EXISTING COLUMNS HAVE TO GET REPLACED BECAUSE THEY WERE, UH, THEY DON'T COME ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GROUND BECAUSE OF THE WALL THAT WAS THERE.
SO, UM, BUT IT WOULD BE WHAT IT IS.
IT'S JUST THEY HAVE TO COME DOWN TO THE GROUND.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND GONNA BE PRESSURE OR ARE THEY GONNA BE LIKE DECORATIVE COLUMN OR JUST LIKE 6 56? MY GOAL IS TO MAKE IT LOOK JUST LIKE THE FRONT.
UM, IF, DO YOU, IF YOU NEED THAT, I CAN AGAIN SEND THAT TO YOU, BUT I DON'T OKAY.
IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO, TO KNOW.
I MEAN IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE, I SAW SOME, SOME LIKE LITTLE SKETCHES IN HERE ABOUT YES.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT DETAILED AND I IT'S NOT GONNA COST YOU MORE MONEY, BUT IT MAY A LIST WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO IT'S LIKE, WE'RE GONNA USE THIS TECH, THIS TEST RE DEPOSED FOR THE DECORATIVE COLUMN AROUND IT OR OKAY.
SO IF YOU WANT CONCLUDE IN YOUR MOTION.
SO SHE, THAT WOULD STREAMLINE THINGS.
SO YOU NEED, I'M TRYING TO WRITE THIS DOWN.
YOU WANT THE SPECIFIC SPECS OF WHICH COLUMNS WE'RE GOING TO USE? YEAH.
NOW IF YOU'RE, SINCE YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE THE ONES THAT ARE THERE, WE KIND OF, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GONNA GO BACK WITH.
BUT I UNDERSTAND, THINK WHAT THEY'LL DO IS A, A FOUR BY FOUR POST.
AND THEN THEY WOULD WRAP IT WITH LIKE A COLUMN.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.
I APOLOGIZE, BUT I WAS, I'M NOT A CONTRACT.
I'M SHOWING HOW Y'ALL MOTION, UM, APPROVE IT ON THE CONDITION THAT OWNER WILL PROVIDE, UH, THE DETAILED DRAWING OR DETAILED SPECIFICATION THAT OUTLINES THE STRUCTURAL SUPPORT ARRANGEMENTS REPORT.
THE THEME, IT'S GONNA SPAN THAT DISTANCE ATTACHED TO THE NEW COLUMNS.
SO HAVING A KIND, A MORE THOROUGH DRAWING, I KIND OF CALLED THAT UP OUT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
UM, THAT WITH THE DOWNSIDE AS WELL.
THOROUGH DRAWING OF THE BEAM TO GO IN.
JUST SO DO YOU WANT A, DO YOU WANT LIKE STRETCHER AN ELEVATION OF IT? BECAUSE THIS HAS, UH, THIS ACTUALLY HAS THE BEAM THERE BECAUSE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT HE SAID COULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE.
SO, UH, SO THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO, BUT IT HAS TO BE AFTER THE BEAM IS THERE.
THEY ALSO HAVE TO SUBMIT THIS TO THE COUNTY FOR, SO THEY WOULD ALSO CHECK THE STRUCTURE.
SO THIS, WE'RE NOT, THIS DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT PICKING THAT OUT MM-HMM.
REPLACING IT'S IN PACKET, RIGHT? YEAH.
REPLACING THE ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THAT'S BUT THOSE COLUMN, THE POSTS, RIGHT.
YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE REPLACING ALL OF THOSE INSTEAD OF, YOU'RE NOT JUST REMOVING THIS, THERE WAS JUST ONE BEING REPLACED.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO, WE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THIS MIDDLE ONE IF IT'S COST EFFECTIVE.
IF IT IS NOT, THEN, AND TO BE HONEST, WE, HE HAS NOT GIVEN US A DEFINITE PRICE ON THAT.
UM, NOW THE OTHER ONES, IF WE COULD REUSE THEM, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
BUT INSTALLING THEM WITH THE EXACT SAME THING THAT I'VE SEEN AT LOWE'S, CUZ THEY, THEY HAVE CURBS.
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IS, WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT HAS TO BE DONE BECAUSE THERE'S LIKE TWO INCHES ABOVE.LIKE THEY STOP, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST, I GUESS THE METAL THAT GOES THROUGH ABOUT TWO INCHES FROM WHERE THE HALF WALL WAS.
I GUESS THAT WOULD BE FOR AESTHETICS, BUT PROBABLY EVEN FOR PROTECTION OF THE, OF THE, THE JOIST.
SO THERE WOULD, SO YOU'RE SAYING LIKE, I CAN'T GET IN THIS PHOTO VERY WELL, BUT THE, THAT POSE SQUARE NEEDS THE PORCH IS UP OFF THE PORCH.
AND IT'S ON A LITTLE SQUARE, A LITTLE REC THAT CAN JUST BE BOXED IN WITH TRIM.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING YOU WERE GONNA EXTEND THEM ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND.
SO YOU, DO YOU STILL NEED THE SPEC? NO.
FOURTH ITEM IS KIND OF THE SAME AS THE SECOND ITEM.
WE'RE EXPANDING THE REAR PORCH TO INSTALL THE NEW RAILINGS.
SO, UM, WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT LITTLE GROUP? I'LL MAKE MOTION TO APPROVE THAT.
WHO'S MAKING A MOTION? WHO GONNA MAKE A MOTION? WHO'S GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BACK PORCH MODIFICATIONS AS OUTLINED IN THE TOWN'S IN THE STAFF REPORT? IN THE STAFF REPORT.
I MAKE THE MOTION TO PROVE IT AS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF COURT.
CAN YOU CONCRETE FROM SIDEWALK OVER PETE? GRAVEL DRIVEWAY.
UM, YOU, UH, IT WAS RIGHT OUTSIDE THE BACK GATE.
I DON'T HAVE RIGHT UP TO THE STORAGE THING.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE EVEN, WELL, THE TOWN, UH, THEY TOLD, TOLD ME THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THIS WAS INCLUDED.
I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU NEED TO WEIGH IN ON THE YEAH.
CAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY, I DON'T THINK WE EVER, OKAY.
BECAUSE IT GETS REALLY, IT GETS FULL OF WEEDS AND I GO NO, I UNDERSTAND.
I HAVE A PROPERTY VERY CLOSE TO YOU.
THIS IS THE PICTURE WE'RE YEAH.
IT DOESN'T, I JUST PAVED MINE.
THE WEEDS ARE STILL COMING UP THROUGH IT.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA DO A MOTION ON THAT.
BUT YOU DO NEED TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW HER TO MAKE ALTERATIONS.
SO THE CHIMNEY TO REPAIR IT AS NEEDED, THEN GETTING THAT.
NEXT ITEM IS THE CHIMNEY REPAIR AND REPORT AS NEEDED.
BRIAN SAID THAT YOU GUYS HAD ALREADY HAD IT RELINED ON THE INSIDE.
WE'RE, WE'RE OPENING UP OUR FIREPLACE.
AND UH, IT'S, THE CHIMNEY IS MISSING A BRICK.
I WAS TALKING TO HIM ABOUT JUST SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE CONTRACT.
TO MAKE SURE THAT, JUST ASK WHAT TYPE, ASK HIM TO TELL YOU WHAT KIND OF MORTAR HE'S PLANNING TO USE FOR THE CHIMNEY SO HE DOESN'T GO UP THERE AND USE A MORTAR THAT'S TOO HARD FOR THOSE SOFT BRICK BECAUSE IF HE DOES MM-HMM.
SO I'M SURE HE'S A COMPETENT MASON.
UM, BUT THAT'S CRITICAL FOR MASONRY, ESPECIALLY ON A CHIMNEY CUZ THERE'S NO CAP ON IT GETTING BEAT UP BY WATER ALL THE TIME.
SO THOSE BRICKS IN THE MORTAR THAT HOLD THE BRICK TOGETHER NEED TO MOVE AT THE SAME RATE.
AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY'LL TEAR EACH OTHER APART.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I NEED TO GET TO YOU? NO, NO, NO.
NO, THAT'S JUST FOR YOUR OWN INFORMATION.
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OKAY.ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON THE CHIMNEY REPAIR? I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REPAIRS FOR THE CHIMNEY AS NEEDED.
IS HE DOING ANYTHING WITH THE FLASHING AT THE BASE SOLUTION? CAN ASK.
YEAH, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE.
FEEL LIKE I NEED A COURSE IN BUILDING BEFORE I BUILD.
ADD SUPPORT TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PORCH AND LEVEL REPLACE RAILINGS AND BALLISTERS.
SO THE, THE SIDE OF THE PORCH, THE LEFT SIDE HAS, IS SINKING.
AND AT SOME POINT IT WAS REPAIRED WITH LIKE MOLDING AND CAULKING I GUESS.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE, SOMEHOW WE NEED TO CHECK IT UP.
AND THEN, UM, PAINTING THE BALLISTERS AND THE RAILINGS SEEM TO BE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE, SO MAYBE JUST REPAINTING THEM TO SAVE COSTS.
BUT IF THERE'S DRY ROD, WE WOULD LIKE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO REPLACE THAT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS, YOU JUST REPAIRED COSMETICALLY THE LAST TIME.
WHICH I GET IT GETS EXPENSIVE.
NO NICKEL AND DIME EVERY TIME HE'S BEEN AROUND.
I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH, UH, PORCH.
LONG AS WE'RE USING LIFE MATERIALS.
ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION ON THAT ONE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STRUCTURAL SUPPORT ON THE FRONT PORCH AND REPLACE THE WOOD RAILING FOR REPAIRS AS NEEDED.
SO NOW WHAT, SO NOW WE WILL, WE'LL SEND YOU YOUR, FOR BOTH BREAK HOLD.
YOU CHECK ANYTHING UP AND SEND IT OUT TO YEAH.
WE'LL HAVE TO DO A ZONING APPROVAL AND, AND YEAH, WE'LL GET THAT TO YOU HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
AND THEN WHEN IT'S DONE, YOU COME AND CHECK.
I HAVE TO LET YOU KNOW, DID YOU ALSO, DID YOU ALSO SUBMIT A ZONING PERMIT APPLICATION? I DID.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL APPROVE THAT AND THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE VOTE.
UM, AND WE'LL MAKE NOTES ON THERE IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO COME OUT AND BE REVIEWED OR ANYTHING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT DOES NEED TO INSPECT IT.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, BUT RIGHT.
WELL, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE PRETTIER BECAUSE I SIT THERE AT JACKSON AND BLUE RIDGE ALL THE TIME LOOKING AT THE SIDE AND I'M LIKE, OH.
BUT
CAN WE, DO YOU WANNA SWITCH INTO THE MURAL? SURE.
SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT APPLICATION 2 71.
WE'RE SWITCHING CAUSE YOURS WILL BE SHORTER.
APPLICATION TO INSTALL AND PAINT A MURAL ON HOW PANEL ONE 18 EAST MAIN STREET STAFF REPORT.
SO THIS IS FOR A 40 FOOT BY NINE FOOT NARROW ON THE BACK ALLEY WALL OF THE AN 18 MAINSTREAM.
SO THIS IS THE PART THAT TAKES BYA BREWERY WHEN YOU'RE SITTING OUT ON THE AREA.
SO WE'VE INCLUDED, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU WORK INAPPROPRIATE.
JUST REMEMBER THAT I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE HARDY BOARD THING.
UM, YOU'RE JUST SCREWING THIS STUFF RIGHT TO THE STUCCO? IT'S GOING, UH, IS IT, UH, THE HARDY BOARD WILL BE ATTACHED TO A FRAME THAT WOULD BE ATTACHED TO THE OKAY.
SO THE GUTTERS, THERE'S SOME DOWNSPOUTS THAT RUN DOWN THERE AND THERE'S LIKE A WIN, UH, LOCKED OVER WINDOW OPENING.
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GOOD QUESTION.WE JUST REPLACED THAT METAL ROOF.
AND THOSE DOWNSPOUTS PUT IN SIX INCH GUTTERS.
THE ROOF WAS LIKE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
SO THAT WAS JUST REPLACED A FEW MONTHS AGO.
UM, I THINK WE'RE GONNA RE RE RETURN THE GUTTER AFTER THE MURAL'S FINISHED.
BUT NOT IN THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF THE SCENE.
I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE GONNA, WE NEED THE GUTTER
OBVIOUSLY IT'LL LOOK AT MY BLEND IN WITH THAT TREE.
THIS WALL BEFORE THE BREWERIES OPEN WAS NEVER IN THE PUBLIC EYE.
THERE WAS, THERE WAS AN AUCTION HOUSE THERE AND THIS WAS BASICALLY A BACK ALLEY IN BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS TOUCHED IN A VERY LONG TIME.
AND THEN, UM, WHEN THE BREWERY OPENED AND NOW YOU HAVE ALL THESE CUSTOMERS SITTING, MYSELF INCLUDED, IT'S, OH MY GOSH, THAT'S OUR BUILDING.
SO IT'S BEEN ON THE BUCKET LIST FOR A WHILE TO GET SOME PUBLIC ART DISPLAY.
I MEAN, I THINK A HIKER IS VERY APPROPRIATE FOR OUR, THAT IS A HIKER PLAYING ON THE GROUND.
IT'S A, IT'S A HIKER THAT'S HAVING A CUP OF COFFEE SORT OF UP ON THE TRAIL.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING IN THE VALLEY.
I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR FOOTWEAR THOUGH.
I MEAN, I, YEAH, I LOVE HIKING SO I THINK IT'S GREAT.
I THINK IT'S VERY PERFECT FOR COMMUNITY TOO.
THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WITH THE OTHER MURAL.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN A PACK OR NOT.
IT'S, SHE'S VERY WELL RENOWNED IN THIS REGION.
I DON'T THINK SHE'S DOING IT FROM ROME.
I THINK WINCHESTER, SHE'S DONE A BUNCH OF THE PUB, UH, BOTH INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR SCHOOL MURALS.
THE PUBLIC LIBRARY, THE STATE AQUARIUM.
SO I HEARD OF HER WHEN THE DALEY DID AN ARTICLE ABOUT HER A FEW MONTHS AGO.
AND GUESS COL CALLED HER AND SAID
SHE DOES AMAZING STUFF AT SCENE OF HER.
SO WHAT DO YOU WANT DO ON THIS WALL? WE DIDN'T TELL HER WHAT TO DO.
HERE'S GONNA BE SITTING HERE LOOKING AT IT FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS.
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? AND THAT LOOKS FIRST RIGHT HERE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK FITS HERE? NOT US COMMISSIONING IT SPECIFIC.
THE PERFECT SPOT FOR LIKE A PANORAMICAL DELIVERY.
SHE SAID THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE BACK DECK TOO OR, ALRIGHT.
I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MERLE FOR MURAL AND THE HARDY PANEL FOR ONE 18 EAST MAIN STREET.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU EXCELLENT.
APPLICATION 2 41 FOR JANSEN BACK AGAIN.
I'M SURE YOU LOVE THE, HOW YOU ALL DOING? GOOD.
NEXT TIME WE GOT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPLICATION FOR THE EXTERIOR INNOVATION AT 20 WATER STREET WE STAFF.
SO THERE ARE FOUR OR FIVE ITEMS HERE TONIGHT.
SO THE FIRST ITEM IS TO INSTALL A SIX TO EIGHT FOOT WOOD OR BRICK PRIVACY FENCE, UM, AROUND THE EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY.
SO SEBASTIAN, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO GIVE THEM KIND OF SURE.
THEIR TRAIN OF THOUGHT IS ON THE YES.
SO IT IS, UM, IT'S JUST ON THE, SO IF YOU FACE THE BUILDING YOU APPROACH IT.
HAVE YOU ALL BEEN THERE RECENTLY? NO.
AND THERE'S A BIG WOODEN FENCE ALL AROUND US.
YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE ALICE PUT THAT.
SO MY NEIGHBOR PUT THAT ONE UP.
AND THEN, SO IF YOU WALK UP AND THEN TO THE RIGHT, UH, ALAN NICHOLS MM-HMM.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE IN THAT ONE SECTION BETWEEN THE TWO CAR GARAGE TO THE BACK MM-HMM.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO DO BRICK CUZ I THINK BRICK WOULD JUST, I WAS EVEN THINKING, UM, I GAVE A PICTURE.
SO THE PICTURE I WAS THINKING OF A, A BRICK FENCE IN MY MINE'S BLACK AND WHITE.
BUT IF YOU, I KNOW THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
THAT LITTLE OFFSET, IT WOULD JUST BE A LITTLE BIT DISTRACTING SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THROUGH, IT'S NOT STRICTLY A PRIVACY FENCE THAT, THAT'S MY IDEAL.
UH, BUT I'LL BE HONEST, I'M RUNNING OUTTA MONEY SO
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE KIND OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAY THE, THE WOOD
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VERSUS BRICK.SO YOU'RE PROBABLY LEANING INTO THE WOOD FENCE TO KIND OF MATCH THE ONE THAT'S ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
SO THE DESIGN THAT I DID PRESENT WAS JUST THIS ONE THAT MATCHES.
I'M NOT A REAL BIG FAN OF IT, BUT IT'S, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
IT WOULD JUST, IT WOULD BE WEIRD IF IT WAS A DIFFERENT STYLE FENCE.
I THINK IT DRAW EVEN MORE ATTENTION WAS MY INITIAL THOUGHT.
BUT IF I DID BRICK, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD BE COOL.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT RATHER THAN JUST IGNORE IF YOU DID BRICK BECAUSE YOU'RE FLOOD.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE OH YEAH.
OH, I'M NOT IN THE WAY, BUT YOU'RE THE FLOOD.
TAKE THAT OPEN AREA ALL THE WAY DOWN.
OH, IF YOU COULD, SO THE WATER CAN PASS THROUGH WITH IT.
I COMPLETELY HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO THE, THAT WHERE THE FENCE WILL SIT WILL ACTUALLY BE ABOVE THE A HUNDRED YEAR OLD MARK, LIKE BY FOOT AND A HALF.
SO IT'S, BUT IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE YOUR STATEMENT THOUGH.
I'M MORE OF THE OPINION OF, I PROBABLY LEAVE A LITTLE LEDGE JUST TO KIND OF ESTABLISH A FOUNDATION.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WE'RE GONNA DO THE WOOD HAVE, IT'LL WIPE IT OUT.
THE WOOD YOU WOULD HAVE TO RAISE.
THINK IT'S SIX INCHES OR SOMETHING.
YOU JUST GOT A WATERS GOT, I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS.
JUST OBSTRUCT THE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEN IT'S JUST OUT.
BUT THE EVENT OF FIRE, I THINK SHE SHOULD HAVE A COUPLE OF GATES IN HERS.
IT'S KIND OF AN AWKWARD FENCE.
IT WAS BY EVERY DOOR OR EXIT DOOR HE'S GOT.
I WAS SHOCKED TO SEE IT TODAY CAUSE I HADN'T NOTICED IT.
WELL, HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN THERE? IT'S BEEN THERE A WHILE.
WHILE THEY SHOULD HAVE SOME FENCES.
THAT CAN BE ABOUT ADMINISTRATIVE.
CAUSE THE WAY IT'S WRAPPED AROUND ALL HIS EXIT DOORS.
IT SHOULD HAVE SOME EMERGENCY GATES.
BUT FOR THIS OOH, THOUGHTS ON THE, ON THE WOOD FENCE, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THEM TO TELL YOU WHICH MATERIAL TO USE? OR DO YOU JUST OH, I WAS HOPING TO GET APPROVED FOR BOTH.
AND THEN I GUESS, YEAH, THE FENCE, THE CURRENT FENCE, IT'S ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
I MEAN THAT'S IT'S WOODEN FENCE.
HOW ARE YOU, HOW ARE YOU EVEN WORKING ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS INTERESTING.
SO FOR MOST OF IT THERE IS A LITTLE PATH.
SO, SO THAT WAS, I WAS GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
SO JUST, THERE'S ONE, ONLY ONE REALLY TIGHT SPOT.
SO, SO IS THAT GONNA HAVE TO TEMPORARILY COME DOWN WHEN YOU START DOING MORE WORK ON THE BUILDING? UH, NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
SO I THINK IT CAN JUST STAY UP THE WAY IT IS.
SO THERE'S MAYBE MORE OR LESS A PATH AROUND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
I MEAN, WE CAN TO MATCH YOUR NEIGHBORS.
I MEAN, I'M, HE'S ASKING IF HE CAN AFFORD IT.
I THINK WE'D ALL LIKE TO SEE THE BRICK, BUT YEAH.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T, BUT IF YOU CAN, I'M NOT SURE A LOT OF, AS FAR AS I WOULD CURVEBALLS RIGHT NOW GIVEN LITTLE MATCH THE NEXT ONE.
SO YOU CAN JUST MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A BRICK OR WOOD FENCE.
IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS IN THE TOWN, WHO WANTS TO VOLUNTEER TO MAKE THAT MOTION? I CAN'T MAKE 'EM ALL
I CAN MAKE A MOTION, UM, TO APPROVE A WOOD OR BRICK FENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS.
THE HEIGHT, IS THAT JUST ADMINISTRATIVE, THE HEIGHT OF CONTEXTUAL OFFENSE? YEAH, WE'LL PUT THAT IN THE ZONING APPROVAL OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT.
I THINK I COULD, I CAN GET AWAY WITH JUST SIX.
THE SHORTER, THE BETTER MIGHT BE INCHES WISE.
UH, SIX, SORRY, SIX FEET TALL.
BUT IN COMMERCIAL YOU CAN GO IF YOU UP TO 10.
UNLESS I PUT IN LIKE SOME GREAT MURAL OR SOMETHING.
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NEXT WEEK.HOW ABOUT IT INSTALL BARN DOORS ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
NOW THIS IS THE WALL THAT FACES THE MILL.
IS THAT, SO THERE'S THREE BARN DOORS.
UM, AS YOU APPROACH THE BUILDING, THERE'S ONE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU AND THEN TO THE LEFT.
WHERE'S ONE ORIGINALLY? ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, BUT IT'S GONE.
BUT BEFORE I DID ANYWAYS, BEFORE I SHOWED UP.
SO MY, UM, THE, THE INITIAL PLAN WAS TO TRY TO SOMEHOW INCORPORATE A SEAL TO THE EXISTING SLIDING DOORS, BUT GIVEN THE TRAFFIC AND THE VOLUME, I JUST DIDN'T SEE A REAL OPTION THERE IN TERMS OF FINDING A PRODUCT THAT COULD REALLY SEAL THOSE DOORS AND MAKE IT INSULATION FOR, FOR WINTERTIME.
SO THEN I CAME ACROSS THIS DESIGN THAT I THINK I'VE INCLUDED MM-HMM.
AND THEN, SO I GUESS THIS IS TWO PART APPROVAL, BUT JUST TO, SINCE THEY'RE RELATED, I'LL INCLUDE 'EM BOTH.
BRING THEM OUT FRONT SO YOU CAN SEE THEM MORE.
AND THEN INSTALL A KIND OF A REGULAR NINE PAN, OR I GUESS IN THIS CASE IT'S MORE THAN A PAIN, BUT IT'S, IT'S A SIMILAR PANE DOOR AS THE WINDOWS ARE MM-HMM.
SO THAT, THAT WAY I COULD SEAL IT ALL UP, HAVE MORE LIGHT, AND THEN HAVE MORE OF A DISPLAY INSTEAD OF HIDING THE DOORS.
SO THAT WAS, UM, THAT'S I GUESS TWO AND THREE COMBINED.
THE WINDOWS, THOSE ARE, THEY'VE ALL BEEN, THEY'RE ALL VINYL WINDOWS, RIGHT? THE ONES THAT YOU PUT IN? UH, NO, THE, THE WINDOWS, UH, THAT I, THAT I HAVE ARE, I HAVEN'T PUT 'EM IN YET, BUT THEY, THEY'RE THE, I'M REPLACING THE VINYL ONES.
FROM THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND THEN MOVING TO THE RIGHT.
AND THEN I'M PUTTING IN WOOD, WOOD WINDOWS AND THAT'D BE A WOOD DOOR WITH GLASS, MULTI PAN GLASS.
SO IN TERMS OF NUMBER THREE, I WAS HOPING IF I COULD HAVE METAL ACCENTS JUST TO KIND OF, CUZ THE, THERE'LL BE METAL FRAMING ON THE, UM, FROM THE WOODEN HANGING DOORS.
SO I JUST WAS HOPING TO HAVE, IT WOULDN'T BE A METAL DOOR, BUT IT WOULD BE A WOOD DOOR WITH METAL ACCIDENTS.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW STRICT THAT WAS.
I JUST WANTED TO CALL IT OUT IN CASE THAT WAS RELEVANT.
I MEAN, IT IS AESTHETICALLY WE'RE CHANGING QUITE, IT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE PRESERVING, YOU'RE TAKING THE ORIGINAL DRAWERS, MOVING THEM OUT AND HANG THEM ON THE WALL OUTSIDE, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
AND ARE THEY ACTUALLY GONNA SLIDE OR THEY JUST GONNA BE MOUNTED? NO, I'M, I'M GONNA, I KEEP THE, I'LL KEEP, I'M GONNA PUT THE, THERE'S AN ACTUAL ORIGINAL HARDWARE MM-HMM.
IT'S A LITTLE CLUNKY, BUT YEAH.
BECAUSE THEY'LL BE OUTSIDE AND THEY WON'T BE A CONCERN WITH INSULATION.
I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE.
HE NEEDS FUNCTIONING DOORS AND I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I DON'T, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? SUPPOSED TO KEEPING THE ORIGINAL DOORS.
WE NEVER KEEP, YOU NEVER KEEP THAT INSULATED? NO, I, I WAS, YEAH, WE WORKED SEVERAL TIMES WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT CAR DIRECTORS TO SEE IF I COULD GET THAT DONE.
SO WE WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO, IN WHICH JUST, I, I LOST WHICH FACE OF THE BUILDING WE WERE ON FOUR.
IS IT THE IT'S ALL THREE SIGNS.
THEY ALL HAVE, THEY'RE ALL GONNA HAVE THE DOOR CHAIN.
SO WE'LL TAKE THE ORIGINAL BARN DOORS, HANG 'EM ON THE OUTSIDE SO THEY SLIDE.
A FUNCTIONAL DOOR ON THE INSIDE.
BECAUSE WOULD THE BARN DOORS EVEN BE FUNCTIONAL FOR YOU? SO STILL SLIDE, LIKE HE SAID.
NO, I'M THINKING LIKE, THEY'RE LIKE SAVING THEM.
IT WOULDN'T, THEY WOULDN'T BE LIKE FUNCTIONAL FOR MAKING THIS A PUBLIC SPACE THOUGH.
UM, CAUSE THEY WOULD PROBABLY EITHER BE TOO HEAVY OR, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.
ARE YOU ASKING IN LIKE A, LIKE A SECURITY THING? LIKE IT'S JUST ALL AROUND LIKE YEAH, I'M HAVE TO DRAMATICALLY OPEN IT.
HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE BUILDING, THE COUNTY BUILDING DEPARTMENT YET? OH, ALL THE TIME.
OH, ABOUT THESE DOORS SPECIFICALLY? NO.
BECAUSE YEAH, THE ONES ARE PASSED WITH YOU GUYS THEN.
BUT THEY, WELL, SO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THEY STILL HAVE TO OPEN.
SO, SO THEY DO HAVE TO, WELL THOSE DOORS TECHNICALLY DON'T FOLLOW THE FIRE CODE.
SO I HAVE SOME OPTIONS THERE, WHEREAS THE OTHER DOORS DO, AND I HAVE TO OPEN A CERTAIN WAY TO OKAY,
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SO YOU'RE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THAT? YEAH.BUT THESE DOORS TECHNICALLY OPEN.
I MEAN, YOU, IT'LL BE VERY FUNCTIONAL FOR ME.
BUT FROM A FIRE CODE PERSPECTIVE, THEY'RE NOT ESSENTIAL.
I WAS KIND OF SWIMMING AROUND.
ANY OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT THIS? I, YES.
MOTION TO APPROVE THAT THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
YOU COULD COMBINE THE MOTION FOR TWO, NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE.
THIS PRESERVE THE, AND I'M GETTING CONFUSED AS TO WHERE WE'RE AT.
JUST MAKE A MOTION TO INSTALL THE BARN DOORS THAT'S ON THE EXTERIOR.
WELL THEY, AND YOU SAID THEY'RE GONNA BE METAL FRAMES WITH WOOD DOORS WITH METAL FEATURES.
YEAH, IT WOULD BE WOODEN DOORS WITH OKAY.
YOU MEAN WHAT LIKE DOOR HANDLES? WELL, YEAH, SO, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A GLASS PANES TO LET LOTS OF LIGHT IN.
THESE WERE THE METAL FEATURES.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING OUTTA THIS.
BUT IN ONE HERE IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE THAT YOU CAN SEE IT ON HERE BETTER.
THE UH, DEPENDING ON THE GLARE.
I THINK I'M DONE MAKING THE MOTION.
I HAVE MOVED TO INSTALL BARN DOORS ON THE EXTERIOR AND WOOD DOORS ON THE INSIDE WITH METAL FEATURES.
MOVED TO INSTALL THE ORIGINAL BARN DOORS.
THE EXISTING BARN DOORS ON THE EXTERIOR.
DID YOU SAY THAT HOLLY? I DID NOT, BUT I'M SAYING IT NOW.
I'M GLAD WE HAVE CONNIE ORIGINAL.
THE, YEAH, WE MEAN THE EXISTING OKAY.
BARN DOORS WITH THE WOODEN DOORS AND SUBTLE FEATURES BACKSIDE.
AND THEY GET THE BARN DOORS WHEN THEY'RE MOUNTED OUTSIDE, THEY'RE GONNA BE PARTIALLY BLOCKING THOSE WINDOWS.
SO I WAS THINKING ABOUT SLITTING THEM SO THEY COULD OPEN UP JUST LIKE IN THE PICTURE SO THAT WAY THEY WOULDN'T HAVE SECOND ONE.
SOMETIMES THE MOTIONS GET A LITTLE WORDY.
NEXT ITEM IS, UH, NUMBER FOUR.
INSTALL THE VENEER ON FRONT WALLS WITH STONE OR CONCRETE STONE.
CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? SURE.
SO YEAH, SO THE RETAIN WALLS HAVE BEEN BUILT TODAY.
AND SO RIGHT NOW I'M APPROVED.
UM, AND SO AS I WAS LOOKING AT MORE, I WAS HOPING TO MAYBE WRITE THAT THERE'S SO MUCH STUCCO ALREADY THAT I THOUGHT MAYBE A, A STONE WOULD ACCIDENTALLY LOOK GOOD.
I MEAN THERE'S A THERMAL, BUT, SO I, I WAS GOING, WAS GONNA PLAN ON DO THAT.
UM, AND I WAS JUST THINKING I WAS GETTING SOME PRECUT STONES, SOMETHING PRETTY EASY TO FLY SLATE.
UM, I WAS JUST THINKING SOMETHING LIKE A NATURAL LOOKING STONE.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT USING MAYBE SLATE FOR THE STAIRS GOING UP.
ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ACTUALLY JUST THOUGHT OF THAT.
NOW IF THAT HAS TO BE, BUT STONES GOING UP.
I MEAN IN TERMS OF THE STEPS GOING UP INSTEAD OF HAVING CONCRETE AND WHERE IS THIS GOING? WHEN YOU, IN FRONT OF THE WALL? YEAH, WHEN YOU FACE THE BUILDING.
THERE'S SOME, THERE'S A RETAIN WALL IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING DOOR.
OH, SO IS THIS THE WALL OF THE, THIS IS FROM, SO SEE THAT BLACK WALL? OH, OH, OH, OH.
I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN COMING IN THE FRONT AS WELL.
SO INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT CENTER BLOCK MORE STUFF.
OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IT ON THE BUILDING.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MENTS ON THE BUILDING.
YEAH, ON THE RETAINING WALL PORCH IS ALL OPEN.
SO THIS WILL, I THINK IT WOULD BE KIND OF COOL.
YEAH, IT'LL LOOK, LOOK BETTER.
NOT AS DRAMATIC AS I WAS THINK.
YEAH, I THOUGHT ON THE BUILDING AND I'M LIKE ENTIRE GONNA BE IN FRONT OF IT.
ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT ONE? ARE YOU GONNA INCLUDE THE STAIRS SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THAT? OKAY.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FOURTH
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ITEM ON THIS LIST TO INSTALL THE STONE VENEER ON THE EXISTING RETAINING WALLS.AND YOU ALSO WANNA DO THE STAIRS AND APPROVE THE SLATE.
THE SLATE FOR THE STAIR STONE MATERIAL, I GUESS STONE? YEAH, STONE.
AND APPROVE THE STONE MATERIAL FOR THE STAIRS.
DO YOU HAVE TO DO NUMBER FIVE IF HE'S REPLACING LIGHT FOR LIGHT? I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER FIVE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
I THINK THAT ONE'S HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT I'LL, I NOTICED IT WASN'T ON, ON THE NUMBER FIVE.
REPLACE THE SECTIONS OF EXISTING METAL ROOF.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
ANYTHING ELSE WHILE WE'RE HERE? YEAH.
UH, I I WAS DRIVING OVER, I WAS LIKE, DIDN'T I THINK OF EVERYTHING I WAS REALLY TRYING TO COMBINE ALL THESE ASKS.
BUT YEAH, HOPEFULLY NEXT TIME WE'LL SEE YOU WILL BE LIKE FOR FINAL INSPECTION.
BUT WHAT'S YOUR ESTIMATING? I'VE BEEN SAYING A YEAR FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS
UM, BUT I THINK MAYBE THE FALL ALL THINGS COME TRUE.
IT'S LIKE THREE YEARS OF COVID REALLY COUNT.
I KNOW RIGHT? THIS FALL OR THE NEXT
AND WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU OPENING THERE? UH, RIGHT NOW IT, I'M, IT'S REALLY GONNA BE AN EVENT SPACE.
INITIALLY I WAS PLANNING TO PUT IT SOME A BREWING.
BUT THAT'S GONNA BE PHASE TWO CUZ COVID IS ES OH THERE'S A PHASE TWO
WELL PHASE TWO BECAUSE COVID JUST END UP COSTING ME A LOT MORE.
SO I THOUGHT ORIGINALLY WHEN I WAS IN THE BAR, I THOUGHT IT WAS A BREWERY AND PIZZA OVEN.
GET IT FINISHED, GET IT OPEN AND THEN START SLOWLY ADDING THOSE COMPONENTS TO IT.
COME BY SOMETIMES THIS AGAIN, WHAT KIND OF EVENTS SPACE? I MEAN AT THIS POINT IT'LL BE KIND OF EVERYONE'S IMAGINATION.
I WAS THINKING PROBABLY REHEARSAL DINNERS OR JUST SOME EVENTS THAT PEOPLE WANTED TO RENT IT OUT FOR PRIVATE USE.
SO WILL YOU HAVE CATERING ON SITE OR, UM, YEAH, THERE'LL BE SOME OPTIONS THAT WILL BE, YEAH.
OR, OR THEY WOULD'VE TO BRING THE KITCHEN IN NOW.
THAT IS ONE THING I AM LOOKING TO DO IS I'LL PUT IN AT LEAST THE BARE MINIMUM FOR THE KITCHEN SO THAT WAY WHEN IT TURNS INTO THE RESTAURANT SIDE OF THINGS, IT'LL MOSTLY BE THERE.
IT'S BEEN A SLOW, SLOW JOB BUT IT'S, IT'S, I'M GETTING THERE.
I KNOW I'M NOT AT THE, THE BEGINNING OF THE END.
I'M NOT SURE SOMETHING LIKE THAT
BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOUR HELP AND SUPPORT, CUZ I KNOW I'VE BEEN HERE
OLD BUSINESS APPLICATION SEVEN.
AGAIN, UM, THE ROOF, MY RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT IS THAT YOU DENY THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BECAUSE THE COMPANY, UM, STALLING IS WANTING, BASICALLY THEY NEED PROOF THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT A METAL ROOF ON THE SITE.
SO IF, IF YOU DENY IT AND SHE'S STILL IN VIOLATION, THEN THEY NEED TO FIX IT'S FAIR.
I MEAN THE WHOLE REASON WE'VE BEEN TABLING THIS IS TO KEEP HER OUT OF THE LIABILITY CROSS HERE.
IS IT THIS ALMOST IT FORCES THEIR HAND TO MM-HMM.
WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD OF THE TOWN GOING AFTER THIS LADY? IF, WELL, THAT'S THE, FOR SOME REASON THEY DON'T.
I DON'T THAT WOULD BE, I THINK AT THAT POINT WE WOULD HAVE TO ASK HER TO COME BACK AND DO ANOTHER THING.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD UNLESS THIS BODY MAKES THAT DETERMINATION.
WOULD SHE HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR TO COME BACK OR IS THAT THINK SHE MAY HAVE TO, YEAH, SHE, I THINK SHE WOULD'VE TO WAIT A YEAR.
BUT I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA GO IN, MAKE HER LIFE MISERABLE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 3 0 1 EAST PROSPECT STREET, UM, TO REPLACE THE EXISTING METAL ROOF WITH FIBERGLAS SHINGLES.
DID I BRING UP SOMETHING? I WON'T KNOW IT'S
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EVEN BEEN BOB AT ALL.WHAT ABOUT THAT OTHER HOUSE ON CLOUD? I'VE, LAUREN KNOWS ABOUT IT.
UM, THEY, I'M WAITING ON THEM TO SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION, BUT AS OF NOW THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE METAL ROOF COSTS ARE TRIPLE THE COST OF THE ASPHALT SHINGLES THAT THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN PUTTING A METAL ROOF BACK ON.
SO THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO COME BEFORE THIS BODY.
BUT I TOLD 'EM TO MAKE IT WATERPROOF.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT PAPER IS WATERPROOF AND UM, THEY'LL, THEY SHOULD BE HERE NEXT.
MISS THE RAINING A LOT SINCE THEY TAKING THE ROOF BOTHER TO COME TO US OFFICER FOR ABOUT TWO OR THREE WEEKS.
THEY DID, ACCORDING TO THE PERSON I TALKED TO ON SITE.
THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THEY WERE IN THE HAZOR DISTRICT.
CAN YOU TELL US WHO OWNS IT OR CAN 'EM? I DON'T REMEMBER HONESTLY.
NO, IT WAS, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE GILLS.
I CAN LOOK IT, I DON'T REMEMBER.
THE GILLS MIGHT HAVE VOTED AT ONE POINT, BUT I DON'T THINK SO.
YEAH, THEY DON'T, THESE PEOPLE WERE FROM ARLINGTON.
THEY'RE NOT, WHAT'S THE ADDRESS? UH, 2 0 7 CLOUD.
YEAH, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE AS WELL.
IT'S ON, IT WAS UM, REMEMBER THE ONE I TOLD YOU CALLED THE MCFADDEN? YEP.
WHAT STREET IS THAT? IS THAT PAT'S CLOUD? THAT ANOTHER GUY THAT CALLED AND WANTS TO GO FROM? WAS THAT THE ONE? NO, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE.
WE HAVE A, MAYBE IT'S A GUY ON CLOUD STREET.
I MAY HAVE CALLED ME THIS WEEK ABOUT CHANGING FROM SHINGLE YEAH.
I MEAN THE PRICE IS IS GONNA BE TRIPLE.
BUT I MEAN WE ALL KNOW THAT HAVING METAL ROOFS, YOU KNOW THAT YEAH.
ALLEN'S TWO PROPERTIES DOWN IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO WHAT I TOLD HIM IS TO BRING, TO SUBMIT THE TWO APPLICATIONS AND THEN BRING HAS HE RIPPED THE ROOF OFF? BOTH OF BOTH OF THEM OR JUST PLOW JUST IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THE OWNER'S CLOUD 2 0 7 LLC AND IN CATH CAT HARPIN, VIRGINIA.
IS IT A, UM, IS IT A RENTAL? YEAH, THEY RENT IT OUT ALL OF THEIR, THEY TOLD ME THEY WERE LIVING IN ARLINGTON BUT OKAY.
THAT THEY, UM, THEY RENT THESE OUT TO TENANTS.
SO BOTH BUILDINGS THAT THEY OWN ARE JUST RENTALS HERE.
YOU KNOW, THOUGH I DO WANNA BE CAREFUL AND JUST SAY THAT I THINK THE BUILDINGS LOOK DECENT FOR RENTALS AND WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE OTHER RENTALS THAT TERRIBLE HOW STREET RENTALS GO, I THINK.
THEY KEEP THEIRS IN PRETTY MUCH.
I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS A RENTAL.
SO WILL THEY BE BEFORE IT WAS IN JUNE? HE SHOULD BE MORNING THAN JUNE NOW.
BUT THEY HAD ALSO TAKEN THE CHIMNEY DOWN CUZ I WENT OUT THERE AND I ASKED THEM, WHAT ARE ALL THESE BRICKS ON THE GROUND FOR? AND THEY SAID THE CHIMNEY WAS FALLING APART, SO THEY JUST RIPPED THE CHIMNEY OFF.
AND IT'S INTERESTING WHEN HE CALLED BECAUSE HE DIDN'T TELL ME THEY'D STARTED AND I SAID, DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING OR DO ANY WORK UNTIL YOU COME TO US.
AND I, AND I EMAILED HIM THE APPLICATIONS MAYBE HE WAS TESTING TO SEE IF WHAT LAWRENCE THOUGHT WAS TRUE
WELL HE, HE REFERENCED, I UNDERSTAND YOU ALL ARE MAKING ANOTHER HOUSE ON PROSPECT STREET, TAKE OFF THE SHINGLES AND PUT METAL BACK ON.
BUT SEE, HE DID NOT TELL ME THAT HE HAD ALREADY DONE THAT
I THINK THEY MAYBE JUST BE TRYING THIS YEAH.
SEE WHAT THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH.
WHAT'S THE THING? I MEAN, IT'S CRAZY.
THAT'S THIS BOARD IS AT SOME POINT GOING TO NEED TO DECIDE HOW STRICTLY DO YOU WANT ENFORCE SOME OF THESE HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND HOW YEAH, I AGREE.
I MEAN, I KNOW NONE OF US WANNA BE THE BAD GUYS, BUT MM-HMM.
WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WHEN WE, I GET, WHEN WE GET, AND I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD LAWN TO SAY THIS MM-HMM.
THEY'VE BEEN PUT UP IN RECENT YEARS MM-HMM.
AND TOWNHOUSES, YOU, YOU KIND OF, YOU DON'T BRING ALL THAT UP.
BUT IF IT'S A REAL TRUE HISTORIC HUNT, YOU KNOW, IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT YEAH.
DON'T LET 'EM GET AWAY WITH IT.
HAVE A METAL ROOFS LOOK SO NICE ON THE OLD HALLS, LIKE IT'S MM-HMM.
WHICH JUST, I MEAN, I LOOK UP AT MY NEIGHBORS AND IT'S LIKE, UGH.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEY MADE 'EM IN A BLUE COLLAR.
THEY SHOULDN'T, THEY SH I AGREE
THAT WE, WE GAVE 'EM PERMISSION TO DO.
LIKE, CAUSE THIS WOULD'VE BEEN SUPER EXPENSIVE SLATE ROOFS.
AND REMEMBER THAT HOUSE UP ON, UH, MAIN YES.
YOU CAN'T TELL IT'S NOT THE ORIGINAL ROOF.
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YEAH.BUT METAL NO,
BUT I JUST BECAUSE OF PEOPLE BUYING UP, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY THINK.
I MIGHT FEEL DIFFERENTLY WHEN MY ROOF NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
BUT I WAS ABLE, A FEW YEARS AGO, I JUST HAD IT STRIPPED AND REPAINTED AND ALL THAT AND I HAVE NO LEAKS HAVING DONE WITH MINE.
THE THE THING OF IT IS, IS WHEN YOUR ROOF COMES TO WHO REPLACED YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.
AND I THINK THE FRUSTRATION WITH THIS, THIS GROUP, UM, AND KIND OF TOWN IN GENERAL YEAH.
IS WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF OUT OF TOWN PROPERTY OWNERS YEP.
THAT ARE JUST WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
AND WELL, THEY NEED, WE'RE LEFT TO PICK UP THE PIECES.
AND SOME OF THESE AWFUL SLUM APARTMENTS ARE NOW WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET OTHER PRACTICES.
AND NOW LIKE THE HOMES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT BUY 'EM ALL UP, TURN 'EM ALL TOURNAMENT OF RENTALS.
OH WELL YOU CAN'T AFFORD THE ROOF.
WELL THEN WHAT DESTROYED, WHY ARE YOU BUYING PROPERTY? DESTROY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE IN THIS THAT SECTION OF TOWN, WE ALLOW CONVERSION OR BY RIGHT CONVERSION OF A DWELLING UNIT INTO WITH ONE OR MORE, TWO OR MORE DWELLING UNITS.
SO WE JUST PERMITTED BY RIGHT TO CONVERSION OF THESE LARGE HISTORIC HOMES INTO APARTMENTS AND MULTI-FAMILY UNITS.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT WHEN THAT WAS DONE, THEY UNDERSTOOD THE CONSEQUENCES OR THE, THE, THE CHARACTER TO THE DOWNTOWN THAT WOULD, THAT BOOTS
WE DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING.
I MEAN, WELL, WELL THIS WAS, THESE STREETS WERE NEVER INTENDED TO BE A FULL-TIME PARKING.
WHEN THEY WERE SET UP, THE STREETS WERE SET UP.