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I ALREADY GOT A EMAIL FROM THE PRESS.
SO WE'RE ON, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE US.
[Town Council Work Session on May 8, 2023.]
I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, MAY 8TH TO ORDER MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR COROLL HERE.AND SO OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE SPECIAL USE PREVENT TO ALLOW US THE MATERIAL AT 1600 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY.
UM, AND THAT APPLICATION IS DYNAMIC LIFE MINISTRIES.
SO LAUREN, I BELIEVE WE, UH, I BELIEVE YOU'RE GONNA GIVE THE PLEASURE OF TALKING TO US AGAIN ABOUT THIS.
AND I THINK RIGHT HERE, CAN YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN? SHE, SHE'S OKAY STANDING HERE, RIGHT? I SEE HER.
I KNOW IT'S USUALLY HERE OR HERE, SO, YEP.
IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO, IT MOVED FROM THERE.
SO THE APPLICANT IS DYNAMIC LIFE MINISTRIES AND THEY SUBMITTED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A SINGLE, UH, GRAVE TO BE LOCATED ON THE, UM, IT'S ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THEIR PROPERTY, ABOUT 55 FEET FROM THE, UM, FROM THE CREEK AND THE PROPERTY LINE.
THEY'VE MET ALL THE STANDARDS.
WE, OR ALL THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
1 75, 1 0 7 24, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDED.
UM, AND LAST WEEK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, UM, I BELIEVE THE NEXT STEPS WERE, IF WE, IF COUNSEL, UM, WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, WE COULD HOLD A JOINT PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 22ND WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE UNDER A SPECIAL MEETING AT SIX 30.
SO ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD WE, WELL, WE WOULD NEED A QUO AT SIX 30, CORRECT.
SO, UM, COUNSEL, HAVE ANY COMMENTS, THOUGHTS ON THIS? I FEEL LIKE WE ASKED.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I FEEL LIKE WE ASKED TIMES OF QUESTIONS LAST WEEK, BUT IF ANYBODY HAS SOMETHING NEW THAT'S COME UP, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT DOES NOT FEEL THAT THEY CAN BE THERE AT SIX 30 THAT NIGHT AND THEN IT WOULD, OUR MEETING WOULD FOLLOW THEN.
BUT OUR MEETING WOULD NOT START UNTIL SEVEN UN UNLIKE WORK SESSIONS, WE CAN, IT HAS TO START AT SEVEN, SO SIX 30.
UM, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS AWARE OF THIS AS WELL.
WE'LL HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION'S ALREADY STATED THAT THEY'LL HAVE A COURT.
SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? PEOPLE JUST SIGN UP TO SPEAK LIKE A PUBLIC HEARING AND IT'S BASICALLY A PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF BOTH OF US.
AND HOW WILL WE, WELL, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS LATER, BUT SETTING UP THE ROOM BECAUSE WE'LL BE, I HAVE WRITTEN OUT FOR YOU.
SO BOTH GROUPS WILL BE ABLE TO BE THERE.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING TO THE NEXT STEPS ON THIS.
THANKS LAUREN, FOR ALL YOUR HELP WITH THIS.
NEXT UP ARE THE ITEMS THAT ARE SLATED FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AND THERE ARE FIVE, UM, BJ DO YOU WANNA START? DO YOU AND MICHELLE SEEM TO BE, AND ROBBIE SEEM TO BE THE ONES THAT, THAT'S ALL IT IS.
SO THE, UM, THE FIRST ITEM IS THE FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGET AMENDMENT AND THE BUDGET TRANSFER FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE, UM, THAT WE HAVE COMING IN.
UH, SO THE, UH, WE HAVE ABOUT $480,000 IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE.
UH, THAT'S COMING IN ACROSS NEILS TAX, SALES TAX, UH, PILOT FEES THAT WE RECEIVED FROM WARREN COUNTY, UH, BUSINESS OCCUPATIONAL LICENSING.
AND THEN, UM, SOME COMING FROM, UH, UH, FROM THE STATE FOR, UH, HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE.
UH, WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IS BRING IN, UH, THE $480,000 AND THEN ALLOCATE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF THAT.
UH, WE GO TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WE HAVE $50,000 WE'RE GOING TO SET ASIDE FOR THE, UH, CRA ROAD SIDEWALK TO HAVE ENGINEERING SERVICES.
AND ANYTHING LEFT OVER COULD OBVIOUSLY GO TO THE PROJECT FOR THAT.
AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL, UH, TOTAL OF $330,000 GOING TO PAVING.
UM, THE, UH, UH, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS ON HERE AND, AND, UH, WE'RE MOVING MONEY FROM GENERAL FUND OVER TO THE, UM, STREETS FUND.
UH, BUT, UM, ALL IN ALL, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? YOU MAY HAVE.
WHICH NEW SIDEWALK DO, DO WE HAVE A THOUGHT ON OR, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE'RE, WE COULD MOVE THE MONEY, BUT DO WE HAVE A PRIORITY OF WHICH LOCATION? OH, ER ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT'S PRIORITY RIGHT NOW I'S SAW THAT IN THERE, BE APPLYING FOR, UM, UH, GRANT FUNDING ON THAT.
THE, UH, PART OF THAT IS WE NEED THE ENGINEERING.
IT IS A FOLLOW UP FROM ONE OF THE COUNCIL'S GOALS.
AND THIS IS ALLOCATION OF MONEY AT LEAST TO BE ABLE TO DO THE PREP WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO
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THE TAP GRANT.AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I DID KNOW THAT I, THIS WAS MORE FOR THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING TO UNDERSTAND WHICH, UM, WE HAD HAD A CITIZEN EVEN COME IN, EXPRESS SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT.
COUNSEL, ANY COMMENTS ON THIS QUESTIONS FOR MR. WILSON? ADJUST OF ZEROS.
DID YOU NOTICE THAT THE FIRST IN THE REVENUES YOU'VE GOT AN EXTRA ZERO.
OH, PUT IT INTO THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM, WE'VE CALLED IT, BUT YEAH.
YOU'RE USUALLY THE ONE TO GET 'EM.
SO WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE CHANGING IT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING FOR THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY.
AND THEN THE STREET RECONSTRUCTION IS CREER ROAD, RIGHT? THE STREET RECON, UH, THE, UM, KREUSER ROAD IS THE NEW SIDEWALK FOR $50,000.
THE STREET RECONSTRUCTION IS THE HUNDRED $98,000 THAT YOU SEE THERE AT THE BOTTOM.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK UP TOWARD THE MIDDLE, THERE'S $132,000 MM-HMM.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I KNOW THAT IT'S A LONG SHOT, BUT, UM, WHEN WE CAN START LIKE SWIRLING AWAY SOME OF THAT FOR, UH, PROSPECT STREET BRIDGE.
SO WE HAVE $330,000 IN THEREFORE, UM, $300,000 IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE APPLYING FOR, UM, REVENUE, REVENUE SHARING.
UM, WE DID JUST GET A NEW COST ESTIMATE BACK TODAY ON THAT.
OH REALLY? WHAT'S THE NEW ONE? CAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR LIKE, TWO OF 'EM.
IT'S NOT GETTING ANY BIGGER OR YOU MEAN IT'S NOT GETTING ANY SMALLER, THE NUMBER ISN'T GETTING, NO, THE BRIDGE ISN'T GETTING ANY BIGGER.
IT'S GONNA REMAIN A ONE LANE BRIDGE.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE A BETTER BRIDGE.
I THOUGHT YOU MEANT THAT THE PRICE KEEPS NO, THE BRIDGE ISN'T GETTING ANY BIGGER.
I'M, I'M, EVERY TIME YOU'VE ASKED, EVERY TIME WE'VE ASKED IT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT KEEPS, AT ONE POINT IT WAS 800,000.
IT WAS 200 TO START WITH AND THEN IT WENT TO, UH, 5 71 AND NOW WE'RE AT 1.525 MILLION.
SO IS THE IDEA TO, AND WE HAVE 330, YOU SAID WE HAVE 300, I APOLOGIZE.
UH, WE'VE ALLOCATED FOR NEXT YEAR WE'RE APPLYING FOR VDO REVENUE SHARING.
I THINK WE'RE A FEW YEARS OUT FOR THAT.
I MEAN, IF WE DO GET APPROVED, WE APPLY IT NEXT OR THIS MONTH APPLICATION OPENS.
BUT YEAH, IF WE GET APPROVED, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, DEPEND ON THEIR FUNDING TWO TO FOUR YEARS OUT.
JOE HAD SOMETHING HE WANTED TO OFFER.
YEAH, I'VE BEEN, ACTUALLY, WAYNE'S ASKED ME ABOUT THIS, UH, AS WELL.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, AND I ASKED, UH, ROBBIE TO GIVE ME THAT RESPONSE OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE REVENUE SHARING AND STUFF.
AND REALLY REALISTICALLY IT COULD BE FY 27 AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS REALLY ADAPTABLE FOR US.
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES FOR THIS BRIDGE.
SO MY THOUGHT WOULD BE TO LET STAFF KIND OF GO BACK AND CIRCLE THE WAGON, SEE HOW WE CAN GET THIS DONE AND MAYBE COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH SOME OPTIONS.
CUZ I THINK 27 IS JUST, I AGREE, IS TOO FAR.
I THINK WE'RE THE THIRD COUNCIL THAT'S BEEN CHASING THIS FOR A YEAR.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I REMEMBER THAT'S BEFORE MY TIME.
YEAH, I REMEMBER BRINGING IT UP WHEN I WAS FIRST ON.
CUZ YOU KNOW, YOU GO WELL IF YOU'VE BEEN OVER IT, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN OVER IT, YOU WONDER IF YOU'VE GOT ANY NO, I LEFT WHEN YOU'RE DONE.
BUT I HAD A CONSTITUENT WHOSE TIRE GOT POPPED.
I THINK ROBBY AND THEM WILL KNOW ABOUT THAT.
A RAILROAD TIRE POPPED THEIR TIRE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, I MEAN, IF IF FIRE TRUCKS CAN'T GO, YOU CAN'T CERTAINLY PUT THIS MONEY OVER A SECOND.
I WAS JUST, I KNOW WE ALLOCATED A LOT OF MONEY TOWARDS PAVING AND I THINK IT WAS BEFORE MOST PEOPLE HERE WERE HERE.
WE HAD A MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE AND VDOT CAME IN YEAH.
AND I KNOW THAT WE DO THAT OFTEN, BUT I GUESS WE'LL JUST WAIT AND HEAR BACK ON ONE OTHER OPTIONS.
WE ARE, WE HAVE, BUT I JUST WONDERED IF THERE WAS ANY OF THAT PAVING MONEY WE COULD ADD TO PROSPECT STREET INSTEAD.
AGAIN, WE COULD PUT THIS OVER TO PROSPECT BECAUSE WHERE IS, WHERE WOULD THIS FUNDS FOR PAVING? LIKE IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE SECONDARY ROADS, NOT PRIMARY ROADS, RIGHT? SECONDARY.
WOULD WE BE LOOKING AT LIKE WHERE THE WATERLINE WORK ONE? IS IT, IS IT LIKE BRAXTON? WE MANASAS MAN, WE IN MANASSAS BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR.
CAUSE THEY JUST DID ALL THOSE MAJOR REPAIRS.
IT IS ROUGH DOWN ON ONE OF THOSE I WENT THROUGH THE OTHER DAY WHERE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, JUST GETTING IT ALL PUT BACK TOGETHER.
I WOULD RATHER SEE THE BRIDGE THAN SOME OF THE SECONDARY STREET PAVING.
I KNOW I'M PROBABLY THE MINORITY IN THAT.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY OPINIONS ON THAT PAVING MONEY GOING TOWARDS PROSPECT STREET INSTEAD? I THINK IT REALLY SHOULD.
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MEAN, I LOOKED AT PROSPECT, I GOT OUT AND LOOKED AT THE BRIDGE TODAY AND THE RAILROAD TIES HAVE HOLES IN IT.YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT, TO ME IT'S A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE.
CAUSE WE CAN'T GET A FIRE TRUCK GONNA SAY BRIDGE AND THEN, AND THE RATE IT IS, IT MAY BE AN AMBULANCE CROSS THERE FOR LONG.
JOE WANTED TO OFFER SOMETHING.
BUT I WILL SAY ON THE CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THIS WAS ONE THERE, BUT I DON'T, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, AS FAR AS LIKE A PRIORITY.
BUT I THINK IT'S BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, WE KEPT TALKING ABOUT HOW WE WERE GONNA TRY TO, WELL WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE IT DONE, SO WE TOOK IT OFF.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I THINK IF YOU GIVE STAFF SOME TIME, WE CAN COME BACK ON JUNE 5TH.
YOU KNOW, THE SAD PART IS, IS IN 22, THIS WAS A HALF $571,000.
NOW WE'RE ONE AND HALF THEN IF WE WAIT UNTIL 27, IT'S HARD TO SAY HOW MUCH IT YEAH, THAT'S FOUR.
WELL, WHO KNOWS IF IT'LL MAKE IT TO 27.
I I DON'T THINK DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT, YEAH.
THE PROVERBIAL KICKING THE CAN ON THE ROAD.
IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE WON UP UNTIL NOW.
SO MAYBE WELL, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UM, UH, THE BUDGET AMENDMENT IF IT'S OKAY.
AND, UH, JOE AND I CAN APPROVE A TRANSFER.
SO MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, I THOUGHT BEFORE, AND I COULD BE WRONG CAUSE IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS FOR THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY, WE ONLY HAD PUT 40 OR 60,000 TO IT LAST.
IT WAS ABOUT 50, BUT IT WASN'T ENOUGH TO HAVE, WE NEEDED, WE NEEDED A HUNDRED TO ACTUALLY DO WE NEED 150? SO THIS STILL WOULDN'T GET US THERE EITHER.
THIS WILL, THIS WILL GET US THERE.
WE HAVE 50,000, WE HAVE 50 ALREADY.
WE HAVE $50,000 TO, SO I'M LIKE, CAN WE COMPLETE AT LEAST ONE DAY? YES.
SO THIS WILL GET THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY MOVING.
YEAH, I'M, GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD.
OH, I, I WAS GONNA SAY, YES, THE PROSPECT BRIDGE IS IMPORTANT, BUT UH, WE ALSO HAVE ISSUES WITH THE SIDEWALKS ON MAIN STREET, PARTICULARLY DOWN AROUND THE ELEMENT AND THAT END, UH, WHERE THE OLD BANK USED TO BE.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY, IF YOU WALK DOWN THERE, THERE WERE SEVERAL ISSUES EVEN OVER THE WEEKEND WITH THOSE SIDEWALKS.
I MEAN, UH, IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
UH, SO IF THERE'S ANY, ANY MONEY, UH, AVAILABLE, UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
SOMEONE, UH, UH, I THINK FALSE.
YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF THINGS CAN HAPPEN.
PROSPECT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE SPENT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY MANY YEARS AGO TO IMPROVE THAT BRIDGE.
AND WE REALLY DID A VERY, VERY POOR JOB ON, YOU'RE RIGHT.
UM, THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.
WE NEED TO ADDRESS MAIN STREET AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S A LIABILITY ISSUE.
I THINK THE HOPE AND PLAN IS TO ADD ONE TO THAT.
THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY WAS THE WALKABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY OF DOWNTOWN.
SO THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY SHOULD COME BACK AND SHOW US.
AND LAUREN, YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO, I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY WAS SOMETHING WE BROUGHT UP THAT CAME, IT WAS BIRTHED OUT OF A COUNCIL RETREAT TWO YEARS AGO AT LEAST.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT ADDRESSING THE WALKABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY, YOU KNOW, SOME SIDEWALKS DON'T HAVE HANDICAP ACCESS AT ALL OFF OF ROYAL AVENUE.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY WOULD ADDRESS THE LIABILITIES AND THE SIDEWALKS IN WHICH AREAS TO ADDRESS FIRST TOO.
I DON'T, I'VE NEVER DONE A TRANSPORTATION STUDY.
THAT WAS PART OF, OF TRANSPORTATION.
BEING THAT IT'S A TOURISM, UH, AREA, UH,
I JUST FEEL LIKE PROSPECT STREET IS IN THE SAME CATEGORY BECAUSE JUST LIKE CHANO SHORES, IT'S A HEALTH AND HUMAN SAFETY HAZARD.
YOU CAN'T TAKE A FIRETRUCK ACROSS.
AND WE DID HAVE A FIRE DOWN THERE BEHIND BURGER KING AND MCDONALD'S JUST MM-HMM.
GARY WAS STILL ON COUNCIL, BUT I MEAN, IT DESTROYED CUZ THE FIRE HYDRANTS WERE SO FAR AWAY.
REMEMBER? UM, AND THEN THE FIRETRUCKS COULDN'T COME ACROSS.
WELL, HOW ABOUT YEAH, WE CAN, I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AMENDMENT.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP SINCE THERE WAS MONEY.
AND WE'LL, AND WE'LL ADDRESS IT AT JUNE 5TH.
SO, SO WE'LL LEAVE A, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR MAY 27TH, SECOND MR. WALTZ.
AND THEN IF ON JUNE 5TH YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, OR YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT THAT MONEY TREE PLANTED IN THE BACK FRONT OF EXTRA ZERO.
SO B MICHELLE, YOU'RE UP THE BID FOR FUNDER.
K B A THREE-PHASE PAD MOUNTED TRANSFORMER REMANUFACTURE.
I THINK I KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
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FOR THE FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING.UM, AND UH, YEAH, THE LOWEST BID WAS FOR $25,625.
AND I THINK IT HAD A LEAK TIME OF, I DON'T REMEMBER 16 WEEKS.
I BELIEVE IT WAS MUCH SHORTER THAN THE, THAN THE OTHER ONE.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH.
WERE ALL OF THESE BIDS, ALL REMANUFACTURED ONES ON THIS ONE? YES.
COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS? I'M WAIT.
TOUCHING UP FROM THE AMENDMENT.
SORRY, THESE, THESE, GO AHEAD.
VERSUS A NEW ONE VERSUS A REMANUFACTURE.
IS IT 70,000? IT WAS 70 FOR A NEW ONE.
70,000 WARRANTY AND A THREE JOB.
IT'S LIKE A CROSSING BOARD FOR GOOD JOB.
IS THERE ANY KIND OF GUARANTEE WARRANTY WHEN YOU'RE GETTING REMANUFACTURED ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS? LIKE THREE, THREE YEAR.
IT'S ACTUALLY BETTER THAN A NEW ONE.
YOU GET A THREE YEAR WITH A REMANUFACTURED ONE YEAR WITH A NEW GOTCHA.
DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, BUT, SOUNDS GOOD.
UH, EVIDENCE ARE THE SAME WAY AS YOU GET A REMANUFACTURER WHEN THEY GUARANTEE MORE.
CUZ THEY SAY THEY TAKE OUT WHATEVER THEY KNOW IS A BAD PART AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE PUTTING IN GOOD PARTS.
WHAT? OH, THIS IS FOR THE TRANSFORMER.
WAIT, HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO GET HERE? I THINK HE SAID ABOUT 18 WEEKS.
WE WERE AT 52 WEEKS LAST YEAR.
UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
SO ON THIS ONE WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF SIX BIDS, THREE FOR EACH PART.
AND, UM, I ACTUALLY HAD TO, UM, AMEND, AMEND THIS BECAUSE, WELL, LET'S SEE, THE CIRCUIT BREAKERS ARE GOOD.
THOSE WERE FOR, UM, WE WOULD RECOMMEND AWARDING THOSE TO MYERS CONTROL POWER FOR 60,336,000.
HOWEVER, UPON FURTHER REVIEW OF THEIR RESPONSE THAT THEY SUBMITTED, UM, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT WAS UNRESPONSIVE.
SO WE WENT WITH THE NEXT LOWEST BIDDER THAT WAS RESPONSIVE AND RESPONSIBLE.
SO, SO YOU SAYING THE ONES THAT ARE YELLOW AREN'T WHERE WE'RE GETTING IT FROM? SO, SO YEAH.
THE ONE ON THE LEFT, ACTUALLY I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW I'M SAYING IT.
SIMON SIEMENS WAS UNRESPONSIVE.
THEY DECIDED THAT I, THEY'RE UNRESPONSIVE OR THEY, WE HAVE TO DEEM THEM UNRESPONSIVE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MEET OUR, UM, MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE HAVE TO DEEM THEM AS UNRESPONSIVE.
SO WHAT'S IN OUR AGENDA THEN? WHAT'S IN OUR AGENDA THEN? AND THE MEMO AND STUFF WOULD NOT BE CORRECT.
SO ACTUALLY I, I DID, I HAVE A COPY.
IT'S IN THAT I DID UPDATE IT AND, BUT I JUST SENT IT OUT TO 10 THIS EVENING.
IT'LL BE ON THE MAY 27TH, THAT'S ALL.
IT'LL BE SO IT'LL BE THE, IT'LL BE THE 2 0 6 NUMBER FOLKS.
SO IT WAS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.
WELL, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THAT OTHER MONEY
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I THINK IT WAS PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY, BUT MM-HMM.
SO, UH, MS. CAMPBELL, HOW ABOUT THE REBID FOR THE DUMP BED BODY? THIRD TIME'S A CHARM.
AND THAT WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER TODAY,
THIS IS WITH DUMP DUMPED BODY.
UM, THE, THE FIRST TIME WE, WE PUT IT OUT, WE DIDN'T GET ANY RESPONSES, SO WE PUT IT OUT AGAIN AND THEN, UH, IT WAS FOR THE INCORRECT SPECS THE SECOND TIME.
SO THEN WE PUT IT OUT THE THIRD TIME.
UM, SPECS ARE GOOD FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
50 OR THE WINNER THEN THEY'RE THE WINNER, RIGHT? CHICKEN DINNER.
THERE'S NO RULE AT ALL, BUT, BUT YOU HAVE TO PUT IT OUT.
HOW LONG WAS AGAIN, TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THREE OR NO, NO, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THREE.
HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN OUT FOR? ROUGHLY, SINCE JANUARY.
THIS
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YOU ONLY HAD ONE? WE ONLY HAD ONE EACH TIME.THE LAST TIME IT WAS THE SAME COMPANY, BUT IT WAS JUST FOR THE WRONG SPECS THAT'S ON GREEN.
IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT UNHEARD OF THIS DAY AND AGE.
I MEAN, WE'RE SEEING THIS MORE AND MORE ACROSS THE BOARD IN DIFFERENT REALMS. UM, UH, AND YOU'RE LUCKY TO EVEN GET RESPONSES SOMETIMES.
I THINK REDDING OR SOMETHING WHEN WE HAD, UH, WE HAD CONCRETE PROBLEMS LAST YEAR.
WELL, TRANSFORMERS WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH.
UM, UH, VEHICLES YOU CAN'T GET.
UM, SO YEAH, IT'S, IT IS JUST THIS DAY AND AGE.
SO TO GET AN ELECTRIC ONES AND ELECTRIC.
SO ALL, ALL OF THAT WILL BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AND THEN, UH, UH, NEXT ONE IS SOMETHING WE ALWAYS, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE ROBBIE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO IT OR IF IT'S PRETTY STOP EXPLANATORY FOR EVERYBODY.
DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO IT OR DO YOU WANT US TO JUST HAVE READ IT? OH, FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS? SORRY.
I, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE AGENDA PR THE PRO PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL PUBLIC WORK SUITE.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO HAVE ANYTHING.
I WOULD NOT BE A POSITIVE, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY.
SO, UH, THAT'S LIKE YOU SAID, PROBATION PUBLIC WORKS WEEK.
IT KIND OF GIVES YOU A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT PUBLIC WORKS DOES.
UM, I THINK PRETTY MUCH LAST YEAR, MOST OF THE NUMBERS WERE THE SAME.
IT'S CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, BUT MOST OF US THE SAME.
UM, BUT WE WANTED TO DO THIS TO SHOW OUR STAFF AND WE APPRECIATE WHAT THEY DO.
5,896 CUSTOMERS FOR TRASH RECYCLING AND YARD WASTE.
AND USE A LITTLE BIT OF ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS KIND OF.
YEAH, NO, I, I THINK THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST VERY EYEOPENING I THINK FOR NOT JUST COUNCIL, BUT PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
I, I'VE ALWAYS SAID PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT KEEP THE WATER RUNNING AND THE LIGHTS ON AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND THE, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT, THAT KEEP THE TOWN GOING.
SO, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? I'M SURE THAT EVERYBODY IN HERE IS JUST AS EXCITED AS I AM TO RECOGNIZE THIS ON THE 22ND.
I DIDN'T, DIDN'T THINK IT WAS.
MY PALM CARD SAID TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON THE WATER, THE TOILETS WASHING.
THAT'S IT, THAT'S THE PART PEOPLE DON'T SEE HERE TO DO.
THAT'S WHAT I USED ALL THE TIME.
PEOPLE DON'T, JUST DON'T REALLY GET IT UNTIL SOMETHING GOES WRONG.
SO NUMBER FOUR, UH, CHIEF MIGUELS, YOU ARE UP TO UTILIZE ASSET FOR IT, BUT YOUR FUNDS TO REPLACE CURRENT STANDARD ISSUED FIREARMS. ALL RIGHT.
SO WE'VE HAD THE, UM, OUR CURRENT SIDE FOR, UH, SEVERAL YEARS.
I THINK THEY'VE BEEN CLOSE TO, OH, THEY'RE CLOSE TO 20 YEARS.
WE, WE CARRY THE GLOCK 2145 CALIBER, UH, SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOLS.
UM, WE DECIDED TO, TO MOVE, UH, TO AN UPGRADED, UM, WEAPON SYSTEM.
IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE STILL GONNA STICK WITH THE CLOCK.
IT'S THE MODEL 43, WHICH IS A NINE MILLIMETER.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER WEAPON, EASIER FOR OUR, UH, SOME OF OUR SMALLER FRAMED FOLKS TO MANAGE.
UM, THEY'RE EASY TO TRAIN, LESS PERCEIVED RECOIL, AMMUNITIONS, MULTIPLE TIMES 40 TO 50% CHEAPER.
AND IN THIS DAY AND AGE, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO GET.
WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF STRUGGLED IN THE, IN THE PAST GETTING, WE ALWAYS GET LA LAST YEAR'S OLDER THIS YEAR WITH, UH, WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AND WE'RE ALSO MOVING TO, UH, IT'S KIND OF AN UPGRADED SYSTEM.
IT'S GOT A, UM, UM, A RED DOT OPTIC SITE ON IT, WHICH IS, UH, A LOT MORE ACCURATE.
UM, AGAIN, MUCH THERE'S A TRAINING CURVE MM-HMM.
UM, BUT IT, IT IS A, A FAR MORE ACCURATE SYSTEM.
AND, UH, FORTUNATELY WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE TO FIRE OUR WEAPONS ALL THAT MUCH.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL CONTINUE TO, TO DO MAJORITY OF THAT IN TRAINING AND PUTTING DOWN THE ODD, UH,
UM, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE LIABLE FOR EVERY ROUND COMES OUT, UH, THE END OF OUR WEAPON.
SO, UM, ALL OF THE FUNDS THAT WILL BE USED TO, UH, TO HANDLE THIS WILL BE TAKEN OUT OF OUR, OUR ASSET FORFEITURE ACCOUNT, WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ACCUMULATE, UM, WORKING OUR DRUG CASES AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SEIZING BILL GOTTEN GAINS FROM, FROM DRUG DEALERS, HOW THAT MONEY KIND OF ALL GOT THERE THROUGH OUR WORK WITH THE TASK FORCE ON THE STREET.
SO, UM, I GUESS THAT'S ABOUT IT.
ALL THE ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT IS, IS INCLUDED IN THE PRICE.
WE'RE ACTUALLY TRADING IN ALL OF THE WEAPONS THAT WE HAVE, UH, TO
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OFFSET, OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS.SO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT TOTAL COST OF EVERYTHING BEING ABOUT $36,000.
AND THAT'S REPLACING THE, THE WEAPONS, THE UH, THE UPGRADED OPTICS, THE, UH, WEAPON MOUNTED LIGHTS THAT ARE ON THEM, YOU KNOW, AND THE HOLSTERS.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO, AND AS WELL AS THE, UM, WE ARE GETTING ANOTHER GRANT, UH, TO HELP OFFSET THE REMAINDER OF THE TRAINING COSTS.
CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE SENDING SIX OF OUR FIREARMS INSTRUCTORS TO BE TRAINED ON THE NEW OPTIC SYSTEM.
BUT IT'LL COST US ABOUT $36,000 TO BE TAKEN OUTTA ASSET FORFEITURE.
JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WOULD YOU SAY LIKE, YOU'D BE TURNING IN THE CLOCK 21.
THIS IS TOTALLY NOT HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS OTHER THAN JUST MY OWN INTEREST.
SO WHO WOULD BUY THOSE? LIKE SOME OTHER DIS NO, IT IS DISTR.
SO THE DISTRIBUTORS THAT WE, THAT WE'RE, THAT WE WOULD BE DEALING WITH, THE ONES THAT ARE PROVIDING THE BIDS FOR THE WEAPONS.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY PURCHASING THE USED FIREARMS AND THEN THEY'LL, THEY'LL RESELL 'EM.
TWO OTHER DEPARTMENTS OR ANYBODY, MAYBE ANY, ANY CITIZEN, ANYBODY.
I MEAN THEY, THEY, THEY MAY SELL 'EM OUT ON, SO IT'S LIKE A TRADE-IN ON THE OPEN MARKET.
IT'S, IT'S EXACTLY USED TO BE HOW MANY WEAPONS? HOW MANY WEAPONS IS THE AN AN OPTICS IS THE 36 BY, IS IT FOR THE INSTRUCTORS RIGHT NOW? NO, NO, NO.
THAT'S, THAT'S TO COVER ALL 38 SWORN UH, PERSONNEL.
AND I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE HOLD UP FIVE OR SIX SPARES OUTSTANDING.
ARE YOU BASING THAT IN OR IS IT GONNA BE, GOTTA HAPPEN ALL AT ONE TIME? CHANGE CALIBERS LIKE THAT.
WELL, I'VE GOT, I GOT THREE DIFFERENT QUOTES ON EVERYTHING.
WHAT'S IT LOOK LIKE? UM, WELL IT'S 36,000 IS GONNA COVER ALL OF THE, ALL THE WEAPONS AND THE EQUIPMENT THAT INCLUDES OUR TRADE-IN.
SO, AND WE'VE, WE'VE TRADED, WE'RE TRADING IN ALL OF OUR FIREARMS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, WE HAD A COUPLE OF, A COUPLE OF OTHER WEAPONS THAT ARE GOING IN ON THE TRADE AS WELL.
THERE WERE A COUPLE OF, UH, FIREARMS THAT WERE, UH, TRADING FIREARMS. AND THEN THERE WAS, GOSH, I WANNA SAY THERE'S THREE, UM, H AND K, UM, THAT, UM, NOT THE MPS BUT THE UMPS, UH, THAT VALUE PRICED, UM, SUBMACHINE GUN THAT WE USED ON OUR ACTING A LITTLE BIT.
WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING THOSE IN BECAUSE WE'VE GONE ALL M FLOORS ON US.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ITEM? BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ON THE, UM, WOULD NOT BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I KNOW YOU GUYS DO THE BEST JOB YOU CAN DO AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT ASSET FORFEITURE.
I KNOW A LOT OF THE LEGISLATION IN THE LAST TWO YEARS HAS CHANGED THAT IT'S DECREASED OUR FORFEITURE AS A RESULT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE TRAFFIC STOPS THAT ARE NECESSARY.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING WELL, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO UPGRADE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO MODERNIZE THE WHOLE TIME YOU HAVE TO, YEAH.
IT'S NEVER A, IT'S NEVER A FUN THING TO ASK TAXPAYERS TO BUY GUNS.
SO THIS WAS A GOOD WAY OF BEING ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT DOING THAT.
SO, SO IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD CHOICE.
IT IT HAS A, A MORE TRUE SHOT.
UH, LESS OF A DROP THAN THE UH, WELL, I MEAN, YEARS AGO EVERYBODY KEPT, EVERYBODY STARTED OUT WITH NINES.
WHEN POLICE TRANS TRANSITIONED FROM REVOLVERS TO AUTOMATICS.
IT WAS NINE THAT WAS FOUND TO BE PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE IT WAS CONSIDERED AN UNDERPOWERED ROUND.
FBI DID SOME TESTS AFTER SOME OF THE AMMUNITION, UH, TECHNOLOGY CAUGHT UP TO THE FIREARMS. AND THEY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE IMPROVED THE BALLISTICS TO WHERE THE NINE MILLIMETERS ARE, UH, AS EFFECTIVE AS, AS THE LARGER CALIBERS AT THIS POINT.
IT'S JUST THEY'RE EASIER TO SHOOT.
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANYBODY HAS ANY, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
HOW WOULD YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT, UM, PUTTING THAT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA INSTEAD NOW? NOW WE'LL SAY THE CONSENT AGENDA, THE ONLY BEAUTY OF IT NOT BEING ON THERE IS IT GIVES THE PUBLIC MORE INFORMATION VERSUS THE CONSENT AGENDA.
WE JUST SAY APPROVE EVERYTHING.
IF IT'S NOT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, IT WOULD, IT WOULD GIVE THE CHIEF AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC OR NOT.
I, I'M JUST OFFERING, I WOULD SUPPORT PUTTING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IF KALE DOESN'T WANNA SPEAK TO IT, BUT IF KALE WANTS TO SPEAK TO IT, I KNOW ASSET FORFEITURE IN THE LAST YEAR HAS BEEN A TOP POPULAR TOPIC IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
UM, SO I'M ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR OF PUTTING IT UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE.
AND YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT STEWARD OF THE TAX DOLLARS AS WE SEE.
BUT IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THIS, THEN WE CAN LEAVE IT OFF AND I'LL, I DON'T ABSOLUTELY REASON TO.
UNLESS YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S A NOPE.
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I DON'T THINK SO.AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE OTHER THINGS LIKE ON THE 22ND WE, WE GOT A BIG DEAL ON 22ND.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING THIS DAY.
I THINK FROM BETWEEN LAST WEEK'S TALK MUST WE STARTING AT SIX 30 WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THAT, SO TO ME, UM, I DON'T, I REALLY NEVER SAY NEVER, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYBODY HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THIS UNLESS, UNLESS CHIEF WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I WAS IN FAVOR OF KEEPING IT OFF.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY AN AGENDA? YES.
MS. PRESLEY WILL PUT THAT, THAT'LL BE AN F OR WHATEVER.
I KNOW WE GOT OTHER, SOME MORE GUYS NEED.
NEXT THING MIGHT NOT BE QUITE AS HIGH.
SO, INFORMATION PERTAINING TO INSTALLATION OF SPEED, CAMERA ENFORCEMENT AND SCHOOL ZONE.
SO OBVIOUSLY SPEEDING'S BEEN A BIG TOPIC, UH, AROUND TOWN.
HEARD A LOT ABOUT IT PAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
UM, SO WE STARTED INVESTIGATING SOME THINGS AND THERE THERE'S BEEN A PUSH THROUGHOUT THE COMMONWEALTH.
UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE STARTING TO MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION OF PUTTING THESE SPEED ENFORCEMENT CAMERAS IN THE SCHOOL ZONES.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING 'EM ALL OVER TOWN JUST IN THE SCHOOL ZONES CUZ THAT'S WHERE THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE AREAS WHERE YOU REALLY SEE, UH, THOSE THINGS THAT REALLY, UH, CAUSE ALARM WHEN, WHEN YOU SEE THEM SPEEDING, SPEEDING.
BUT WHEN YOU SEE SOMEBODY SPEEDING AND KIDS STANDING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, IT, UH, IT'S OBVIOUSLY CAUSED FOR A LITTLE MORE CONCERN.
UM, SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN, UH, KIND OF FIND A FORCE MULTIPLIER, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE ONLY GOT FIVE COPS ON THE STREET AT A TIME THAT ARE OUT PATROLLING.
UM, AND WE HAVE MORE SCHOOL ZONES THAN THAT EVERY DAY, MORNING AND AFTERNOON.
UM, AND EVEN IF I WERE TO ASSIGN AN OFFICER TO EACH ONE OF THOSE SCHOOL ZONES, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE RUNNING FROM, YOU KNOW, SEVEN TO EIGHT O'CLOCK, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, A TRAFFIC STOP TAKES 15, 15 MINUTES.
THEY MAKE THREE OR FOUR TRAFFIC STOPS.
AND MEANWHILE THE CARS JUST KEEP ZIPPING BY, UM, WHAT THESE SPEED ENFORCEMENT CAMERAS DO.
IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL VIOLATION.
UM, ESSENTIALLY THEY, THEY WOULD TAKE A PICTURE OF THE VIOLATOR GOING THROUGH AND IT'S, IT'S BRACKETED.
SO IT, YOU GET A FULL KIND OF LIKE RADAR, HOW WE TYPICALLY RUN RADAR, UM, IN A, IN A MAN'S SITUATION.
WHETHER WE'RE USING A LIDAR SITTING IN A, IN A PATROL CAR WITH RADAR UNIT.
UM, SO ALL THE SCIENCE IS THE SAME.
UM, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS THE VENDOR GETS THE INFORMATION, IT'S RUN THROUGH N C I C, THEY GET ALL THE INFORMATION, THEY SEND ALL OF THE VIOLATIONS TO THE PD TO BE VETTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SAY, YEP, THAT WAS X YZ PERSON SPEEDING ON X YZ DATE.
AND IT'S JUST THE CAR DOESN'T SEE THE PERSON.
WAS YOU SAY DON'T LET PEOPLE BORROW YOUR CAR.
WELL, AND THAT'S THE THING ON THE AUTO BOND LE RUN.
THAT THAT'S, THAT'S, BUT THAT'S THE THING BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO'S REGISTERED UNDER GETS A TICKET.
AND IT'S UP TO THEM TO SAY, OH, WASN'T ME DRIVING? OKAY, WELL WHO WAS, HEY, BRIDGE GOT, UM, YEAH.
SO, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT, THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE WANT TO TURN IT INTO A SPEED TRAP.
SO I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, LESS FEELINGS ABOUT PEOPLE GETTING UPSET AND YOU GUYS ARE STAFFING LEACH RUN IN THE MORNINGS VERY WELL.
IT DOESN'T DETER PEOPLE, BUT
UM, SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD ALLOW FOR, FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.
AND, AND SOME OF OUR, WE'RE GONNA START OUT WITH FOUR IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, STRAUSBERG ROAD AND ASS ROADS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT UM, UM, CREER ROAD FOR RUSSE, JEFFRIES, UM, LARAY AVENUE FOR SKYLINE MIDDLE AND UM, LEACHES RUN CHIEF.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS IF YOU'VE GOT BANDWIDTH, YOU REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER, UH, THE CHESTER STREET.
I, I CAN PROBABLY ONLY START WITH FOUR BECAUSE OF THE SHORTAGE OF THE CAMERAS.
SO I'M PICKING, I'M PICKING THE WORST, THE BIG, NOW MY OFFICE IS RIGHT THERE ON CHESTER.
AND THAT CAN BE A HELLACIOUS ROAD.
AND THEY ALL ARE STONEWALL DRIVES THE SAME WAY FOR, UH, LESLIE.
I WAS AND I'VE BEEN GETTING COMPLAIN MORE WESTIN CAUSE THAT'S GOT TWO SCHOOLS ON IT.
THAT, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS, THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA SAY IS LIKE, SO STRAUSBERG ROAD AS ROAD, I'M, I'M ASKING DO A LOT OF KIDS WALK AS FROM THE TRAILER PARK? THEY, THEY COME FROM THE TRAILER PARK.
ALSO GOTTA CONSIDER THE, NOT JUST THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, BUT THE VEHICLE TRAFFIC.
CUZ YOU GOT PEOPLE PULLING IN AND OUT OF THERE AND THERE'S PEOPLE STOP, THERE'S VEHICLE STOPPED.
THAT THE WAY THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THE SCHOOL SIGN IS 40 FEET.
PROBABLY YOU PROBABLY HELPED ME WITH THIS.
IT WAS, IT'S IT'S WAY OFF THE ROAD BACK WHERE THE OLD ROAD WAS.
UNLESS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR BEHIND THE SADDLE.
CAUSE IT'S CHIEF, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE RUN ON THESE FOUR? THESE
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FOUR AREAS GONNA BE, YOU'RE GONNA RUN IT FOR A MONTH, YOU'RE GONNA RUN IT FOR THREE MONTHS.THEY'LL COME IN, WE'LL DO, WE'LL THEY'LL DO A SPEED STUDY BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE, UH, BEFORE WE START.
ONCE WE STARTED, IT WOULD BE A COUPLE.
IF THEY BUILT IT FOR A COUPLE YEARS, GREAT.
END IT JUST DURING SCHOOL HOURS.
AND THAT'S, WE DROP OFF PICK UP.
IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE, SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
12 O'CLOCK LORI SPEEDING LUNCHTIME.
BUT THAT CAN BE, THAT CAN BE SAID.
I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GOT, IF ESPECIALLY LIKE, UM, UH, CREER ROAD SKY, IF YOU, IF YOU HAD A, A, YOU KNOW, GRADUATION OR FOOTBALL GAMES, YOU COULD SET THOSE SCHOOL ZONES BACK UP.
SO THAT CAN BE, THAT'S, WE CAN CONTROL ALL THAT STUFF.
IT'S GONNA BE BETWEEN THE SIGNS, THE SPEED, THE, AND AND ALSO THE ONE THING I THOUGHT ABOUT LECH RUN IS I WASN'T SURE WHERE THE, WHERE THE SCHOOLS DOWN BEGAN AROUND THE HOSPITAL.
THAT WAS THE ONLY CONCERN I THOUGHT BECAUSE I THOUGHT IF I HAD TO GET MY KID TO THE HOSPITAL, I'D BE WITH THEM IN THERE TAKING A PICTURE.
YOU KNOW,
WE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE AMBULANCE.
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THAT EXCUSE.
I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW, WHEN WE SAT AND TALKED TO A VENDOR ON THIS, THEY SAID IT AT 10 PLUS MILES OF THE SPEED LIMITS GOOD.
SO IT'S, WE'RE NOT PREY ON THEM.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE A 27 SPEED AND YOU'RE GETTING A TICKET.
WE'RE NOT PLAYING STUMP TOCHU ON THIS.
IT'S, I THINK THIS IS FANTASTIC.
I HAVE NOTES FROM TWO YEARS AGO WHERE GARY GILLESPE BROUGHT UP LEACH RUN PARKWAY AND DOING THIS.
AND WE HAD SO MUCH OPPOSITION TO PEOPLE FEELING LIKE WE WERE BULLYING THEM AND SETTING UP A TRAP.
SO THE FACT THAT IT'S ONLY DURING SCHOOL ZONES.
A LOT OF KIDS RIDE THEIR BIKE, A BIKE ACROSS LE RUN IN THE MORNINGS.
AND SO ONE OF THE VENDORS THAT STOP.
SO ONE OF THE VENDORS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THIS, UM, THEY'VE GOT A COOPERATIVE CONTRACT, I THINK MM-HMM.
NOW THEY, UM, THEY DO, UH, A PUBLIC, THEY, THEY SEND THE ENGINEERS OUT TO LOOK AT OUR SCHOOL ZONES AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE MARKED PROPERLY, PROPERLY.
THEY DO, UM, A PUBLIC INFORMATION CAMPAIGN TO PUT EVERYTHING OUT THERE BEFORE WE EVEN START.
THEY PROVIDE MATERIAL FOR OUR WEBSITES, OUR SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS, MATERIAL TO PUT OUT IN THE PUBLIC HANDOUTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A 30 DAY GRACE PERIOD WHERE THEY GET WARNINGS.
SO, AND THEN THE ENFORCEMENT ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
AND OUR, UH, OUR ORDINANCE IS SUPPORT.
THERE'S, THERE'S LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE STATE CODE THAT OUR ORDINANCE SUPPORTS.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT.
SO THE GEORGE KNOWS A THING OR TWO ABOUT TRAFFIC BLOCK.
SO THE VENDOR THE VENDOR BASICALLY, AND IT DOESN'T COST US ANY MONEY UP.
THEY, THEY, THEY TAKE THEIR, THEIR MONEY FROM THE, THE FINES THAT ARE LEVIED FROM RIGHT.
THE, UH, FROM HAVING THE CAMERAS UP, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A HUNDRED DOLLARS CIVIL FEE.
THE COMPANY KEEPS $25 AND 75 COMES BACK TO THE COLLECTIONS AND THEY HANDLE ALL THE COLLECTIONS.
SO SPEAKING OF THAT, NOT JUST THE COLLECTIONS, THAT, THAT WAS GONNA BE JUST THE FAIRNESS OF ME OR IN MY HEAD IS THAT IF SOMEBODY DISAGREED WITH THIS, WHAT'S, BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT A TICKET AND IT'S A CIVIL PENALTY, JUST ASKING COULD THEY CHALLENGE IT AND HOW WOULD THEY CHALLENGE IT? I MEAN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CHALLENGE IT AND BRING YOUR HOSPITAL BILL WITH YOU.
WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD.
THAT'S, I I'M, I'M JUST THINKING LIKE ANY OTHER TIME IN LIFE, IF YOU COULD CHALLENGE IT, BRING YOUR OWN EVIDENCE, BRING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH MY CAR, MY SPEEDOMETER, THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN COURT.
I MEAN, WE'RE AT THE EARLY STAGES HERE, BUT I THINK THE PROCESS WILL BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH PARKING TICKET.
IT'LL BE THE SAME TYPE OF SITUATION.
THERE'S, THERE'S AN INITIAL CIVIL, UM, CON CONTEST OPTION.
AND, UH, THE GENERAL DISTRICT COURT KINDLY HANDLES THOSE ON THE, ON THE TRAFFIC AND MISDEMEANOR DOCKET.
EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE CIVIL, WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT 'EM ON A DIFFERENT CIVIL DAY.
BUT THIS ISN'T GONNA CAUSE ANYBODY'S INSURANCE TO GO UP.
I I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY THE POSITIVES OF THIS TO THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S THE, THE CONSEQUENCE IS A HUNDRED DOLLARS FINE TO SLOW DOWN FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN.
I, I THINK IT'S A WIN-WIN AT THE END OF THE DAY.
WE'D EVEN HAD, I, JOE AND I HAVE HAD THE CONVERSATION, THE, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THE PROCEEDS FROM THIS PROJECT GO SPECIFICALLY FOR THE TRAFFIC SAFETY.
I LOVE THATS OR ANY, ANYTHING THAT
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WE NEED A GOOD IDEA.CROSSWALK IMPROVEMENTS, FIXING SOME OF THE, MAKING SOME OF THE MORE, HAVING MORE OF THE FLASHING PEDESTRIAN CAUSING SIGNS.
POTENTIALLY FUNNY EVEN SIDEWALK ON OR EVEN SOME SPEED TRAILERS.
BUT, BUT IF THEY'RE DOING THAT, IT SHOULD.
THE OTHER THING IS TOO IS IT COULD THEN, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY I THINK THAT EVERY SCHOOL, I MEAN SKIPS RIGHT ABOUT CHESTER.
SO THERE'S OTHER PLACES NOT, BUT I, BUT UM, BUT YEAH.
AND I JUST CONCERNS INSTEAD OF FUNDING MORE OF THE SPEED TRAILER THINGS I HAD BROUGHT UP LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IN WINCHESTER, WHAT THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED.
IT'S THE, IT TELLS YOU YOUR SPEED, BUT IT, THEY'RE PERMANENT.
THEY'RE SIGNS, THEY'RE STREET SIGNS AND THEY FLASH RED AND BLUE.
SO THE FIRST TIME I WENT THROUGH THAT 25 WHEN YOU TURN LEFT, WHERE THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT CEMETERY IS.
IT CATCHES YOUR ATTENTION WHEN IT FLASHES RED AND BLUE AND WHITE.
UM, BUT I THINK THIS IS FANTASTIC.
I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE IT, BUT THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD THINK OF THE CHILDREN'S SAFETY.
WELL THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR A REVENUE'S A KIND OF A SECONDARY WELL CUZ THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO HIRE MORE OFFICERS, WHICH IS GOING TO CREATE A MUCH LARGER BUDGET ITEM.
SO I WOULD, I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY BE AGAINST THEM.
AND IS THE CROSSWALK GUARD THERE PAID AT LERO? IT'S AVAN.
SO THEY HAVE A CROSSWALK THERE AT LERO EVERY MORNING.
AND THE TOWN HAS BEEN HAVING A PD OFFICER THERE AND THE COUNTY HAS A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER AND IT IS STILL PEOPLE I GOT PAST TODAY.
SO I MEAN NONE OF THAT'S DETER THEM.
CAUSE I'LL WALK OUT THERE AND I'M LIKE, I'M LIKE, DON'T STEP OFF THAT SIDEWALK WHILE YOU'RE WALKING.
CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ALL ABOUT ALL THIS IS IS ABOUT THE SAFETY.
WELL IF THEY COULD FUND THINGS LIKE THE, THE SPEED SIGN YOU YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IF THEY WORK WE'LL, YOU'LL GET TICKETS UP FRONT AND THEN HOPEFULLY IT'LL, THEY'LL THEY'LL TAPER DOWN.
CAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS A, UM, ISSUE.
WRITE IT OUT LOUD AND THEN, UH, FACTS IN PARTICULAR.
THEY, UM, THEY HAD THE UH, RED LIGHT, UH, RED LIGHT CAMERAS SORT OF TAKEN DOWN BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T, THEY, THEY DID THEIR JOBS AND PEOPLE WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, SO AND ULTIMATELY THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I SAID IF YEAH, IF THEY WORKED WE'LL GET TICKETS UP FRONT AND THEN THEY'LL TAPER OFF.
TAKE, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE SPEED TRAILERS.
I KNOW CAL TOLD ME THAT BEFORE.
LIKE, BECAUSE THEY PUT 'EM UP ON WALKER BEFORE AND IT'S LIKE PEOPLE SLOW DOWN.
HE, THE MINUTE THE TRAILER IS GONE, IT JUST SLOWLY THEY'RE, THEY FEED BACK UP.
SO CHIEF, YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO PUT 'EM ANYWHERE ELSE AS THAT YOU CAN GET MORE CAMERAS? WELL, WE'RE GONNA START OUT WITH THESE FOUR, UM, AS KIND OF A TEST RUN AND SEE HOW IT GOES.
AND THEN, AND THEN JUST ADDRESS THEM A AGAIN, WE TOOK THE, WE TOOK THE AREAS THAT KIND OF HAD THE, THE, THE WORST, THE MOST KIND OF DANGEROUS ROADWAY SITUATIONS.
UM, AND THEN AND PRIORITIZE IT OUT AND THEN WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TRY TO ADD 'EM ON, UM, AS NECESSARY.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S A SUCCESSFUL VENTURE AND COUNCIL PROVES, YOU KNOW, PROVES MOVING FORWARD WITH MORE OF 'EM, THAT WILL SHOW US.
WELL THEY, THESE WILL RUN BETWEEN SAY EIGHT 8:00 AM TO FOUR.
WE, WE COULD, WE COULD PROGRAM THEY WOULD RUN KIDS START SHOWING UP.
IT WOULD PROBABLY BE SEVEN TO NINE OR SEVEN TO 10 FOR ALL THE TARDY PARENTS BECAUSE THE SCHOOLS ARE DY SORRY, THEY DON'T START AT THE SAME TIME.
NO IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY CAN ALL, THEY CAN ALL BE PROGRAMMED TO DIFFERENT TIMES.
I MEAN, AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TURN 'EM OFF, TURN 'EM OFF ON HOLIDAYS.
YOU CONTROL EM FROM THE OFFICE OR FROM THE CAR OR YEAH, WELL THEY'LL IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL DONE REMOTELY.
SO IF AN OFFICER IS REVIEWING IT AND THEY SAY, AH, THIS ONE'S SUSPECT, I'M NOT REALLY SURE, THEN THEY DON'T ISSUE THE PENALTY.
THAT, THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE AN OFFICER PHYSICALLY APPROVE THE VIOLATIONS MM-HMM.
UH, SO I NOTICED THAT ON WEST MAIN, UH, ST.
JOHN'S HAS A LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY MOVE FROM, FROM THE, THE CHURCH TO THE PARISH HALL AND UH, THERE'S LIKE A A, A WALKING GUARD THERE.
THE CHURCH PUTS SOMEBODY OUT THERE I BELIEVE.
UH, BUT, BUT THE POINT BEING THEY'RE THEY'RE ALL TAXPAYERS AS WELL.
SO, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER KIND OF THOUGHT.
AFTER WE GET ALL THE SCHOOLS COVERED, WELL WE GET ALL THE, ALL THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS COVERED AND THEN IF ANYBODY, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER DISCUSSION.
AND THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR GEORGE.
I'D LIKE TO SIGN FOR LINDON STREET CUZ WE, I HAVE TO BACK INTO MY
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DRIVEWAY OR I CAN'T GET OUT IN THE MORNING.DOMINION RIDGE IS IN THE TOP OF MY HILL.
LAUREN KNOWS IF THE LAST THING I'LL ADD IS 10 MILES AN HOUR OVER IS RECKLESS.
AND THAT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH GRACE IN I ESTIMATE, I THOUGHT IT WAS 15, THEY DROPPED IT DOWN IT 10 OR IT'S RECKLESS.
WELL IT'S 20 OVER SPEED LIMIT, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT IN SPEED AND SCHOOL DURING, WELL EVEN IN MR AREAS IT COULD BE $200 FINE IN, IN COMMUNITIES WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE THE SIGNS HERE IN FRONT, BUT IF YOU GO PERSONABILITY OR I'M JUST THROWING NAMES OUT THERE.
BUT YEAH, YOU GET A 200 FINE, BUT I MEAN, SO ANYBODY GOING OVER 10? WELL THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T HAVE AS MANY OF THE FOLKS CONTESTING BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO CONTEST MORE THAN YOU KNOW.
THAN IF YOUR, IF YOUR CAR'S THAT OFF CALIBRATED, YOU SHOULDN'T BE ON THE ROAD.
THIS CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON IT.
PLUS ALL THE SCHOOLS ARE, MOST, THE SCHOOLS ARE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS TOO.
SO YOU'RE NOT JUST, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MENSTRUAL.
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE KIDS ARE PLAYING IN THERE TOO.
ONE QUICK THING, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, THE REASON WE BROUGHT THIS TONIGHT WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PROCEED WITH GETTING QUOTES AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY YOU STILL HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE DOWN THE ROAD, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL WAS ON BOARD WITH THIS BEFORE WE PUT ANY MORE TIME AND EFFORT.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PUTTING THIS ON THIS MONTH, RIGHT? NO, NO.
IN THE GATHERING INFORMATION FOR RATIFICATION PURPOSES.
AND NOBODY'S LIKE ABSOLUTELY NO WAY.
I LOVE IT WHEN WE'RE PROACTIVE.
UM, NUMBER SIX IS A MAINTENANCE FOR UNIMPROVED ALLEYS AND, UM, MR. WALTZ IS GONNA, UH, TALK TO US ABOUT, THIS WAS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD HAD BROUGHT.
SO, UM, CAN YOU FIND YOUR PRESENTATION THERE? UH, ALRIGHT.
UH, SO THIS ITEM ACTUALLY ORIGINATED FROM A COMPLAINT FILED, UH, TO COUNCIL ABOUT, UH, AN ALLEYWAY ON 12TH STREET I THINK IT WAS.
UH, SO STAFF, UM, DURING THIS WHOLE PROCESS, STAFF STARTED TAKING A LOOK AND WE DID AN INVENTORY OF ALL OUR ALLEYWAYS.
WE'VE GOT 52 UNAPPROVED RIGHT AWAY OR ALLEYWAYS THAT WE TOOK INVENTORY UP.
ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT I THINK THAT CAME OUT OF THE DISCUSSION WITH STAFF WAS OF INSTITUTING AN ANNUAL INSPECTION OF ALL THESE UNAPPROVED ALLEYWAYS.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND PROCEED DOING THAT AS STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO PROCEED WITH THE INSPECTIONS.
AND WE WILL TAKE A LOOK TO SEE WHAT WE FIND DURING OUR ANNUAL INSPECTION THAT WE MAY HAVE TO DO JUST MAYBE TWICE A YEAR.
I JUST DON'T KNOW YET AND WE'LL WE'LL KNOW ONCE WE START DOING THE INSPECTIONS ON ALL 52.
BUT ROBBIE'S GOT A FEW SLIDES HERE THAT KIND OF TALKS ABOUT, UH, EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.
I DON'T WANNA STEAL ROBBIE THUNDER, BUT, UH, I THINK IT WAS A GOOD EXERCISE FOR STAFF TO, TO ACTUALLY COME OUT OF SOMETHING.
I THINK IT'LL BE A BENEFIT TO ALL.
UM, SO JOSEPH, RIGHT NOW THIS IS JUST AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE'VE FOUND SO FAR.
STUFF WE KNEW, UM, PLANNING AND HELPED US LOOK THROUGH SOME AREAS.
UM, THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU A BREAKDOWN.
THE 50 X 52 ALLEYS THAT WE KNOW SO FAR, THE UNAPPROVED.
ARE SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THOSE LOOK DUPLICATED.
WERE THEY DUPLICATED OR IS IT BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT SECTION? DIFFERENT SECTION.
SOME OF 'EM ARE BROKE UP IN DIFFERENT PIECES.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS SHOWS PICTURES OF SOME OF IT TOO.
I DON'T THINK MINE'S ON THERE BECAUSE IT'S SO WELL MAINTAINED AND IT COULD BE.
YEAH, THERE'S PROBABLY DEFINITELY MORE THAN THIS.
THEY, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR.
UM, BUT YES, THAT GIVES YOU A BREAKDOWN OF ACCOUNT OF SOME OF THE ONES THAT WE KNOW SO FAR AND THEN WE'LL JUST KEEP ADDING AS THEY, AS THEY COME UP AND WE FIND THEM.
UM, OUR PLAN IS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE A COMPUTER UH, INSPECTION SHEET SO WE CAN FILE IT, TAKE PICTURES WITH IT, UM, SO THAT WAY SOMEBODY DIFFERENT GOES OUT, THEY KIND OF KNOW WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
ANY COMMENTS THEY CAN PUT IN, UM, OF THOSE.
UM, HERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME OF 'EM ACTUALLY JUST LIKE DRIVEWAYS.
THEY LIKE THOSE DIDN'T, I DIDN'T THINK, YEAH, WHEN I SAW THE FIRST FOUR I WAS LIKE, WELL THEY DON'T LOOK SO BAD.
LIKE SOME OF 'EM, LIKE THE ONE, I MEAN SOMEBODY YEARS AGO PUT A DRIVEWAY WITH A BUILDING, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS PEOPLE USED THEM.
UM, SOME OF 'EM ARE TOTALLY OPPOSITE.
SOME OF 'EM ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, NOTHING BUT WOODS AND TREES AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND THOSE, I MEAN THERE'S DEFINITELY DIFFERENT TYPES UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT TOWN.
UM, THIS KIND OF JUST SHOWS YOU WHAT THE TOWN CODE IS CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW.
UM, PERTAIN TALKS ABOUT THE, UH, UNAPPROVED TOWN ALLEYWAY, UM, STREETS, UM, LIKE I SAID YOU AS FAR AS INSPECTIONS, UH, WE, A COUPLE OF THE THINGS WE'RE PLANNING ON LOOKING FOR IS LEGAL DUMPING.
UM, WHICH A LOT OF THE ISSUES WE FIND
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IS NOT SO MUCH PEOPLE, OTHER AREAS DON'T THINK IT'S THE PEOPLE LIVING AROUND THEREUM, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING? YOU ARE SEEING RESIDENTS IN AND AROUND THE ALLEYS DUMPING, NOT FOLKS COMING IN AND JUST RANDOMLY DUMPING.
THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING, THAT'S IN, THAT'S A NICE INSIGHT.
WE HAD ONE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, UH, HAD FENCE POST.
AND LITERALLY THE HOUSE LIKE TWO HOUSES DOWN HAD A BRAND NEW FENCE.
BUT YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE WHERE I DO THAT.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, DID TREES, UM, HANGING OFF AND MAYBE BUILDINGS OR STRUCTURES OR YOU KNOW, FENCE THAT COULD DAMAGE IT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY YOU CAN CATCH IT BEFORE WE DAMAGE ANYTHING.
UM, IF PEOPLE ARE DRIVING IN AND OUT WHERE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, DAMAGE HAS BEEN CAUSED BY VEHICLE OR TRAFFIC, DRAGGING MUD AND STUFF OUT IN THE ROADS OR OTHER THINGS, UM, AND OBSTACLES LIKE WE SAID, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WHERE BUILDINGS OR SOMETHING TO IN PLACE THAT COULD CAUSE AN ISSUE OR A BLOCK OVER PEOPLE'S ACCESS.
UM, SO THAT WAS SOME OF THE THINGS WE KIND OF THOUGHT OF SO FAR AND DEFINITELY INCLUDE, UM, WE FIGURE HAD LIKE A COMMENT SECTION, INCLUDE PICTURES, UM, EACH TIME SO THAT WAY IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES YOU CAN GO BACK AND THEN HAVE ALL THAT ELECTRONICALLY FILED.
ROBERT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S IMPACT ON, ON BUDGET OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS? UM, RIGHT NOW, I MEAN THE BIGGEST THINGS IS COMING UP WITH IT AND THEN WE'LL GET OUR INFRASTRUCTURE MANAGER OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO GET TREE REMOVAL DONE, UH, WE USE THE SAME GENTLEMAN ELECTRIC DEPARTMENT USES SINCE WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH HIM YES SIR.
SO I MEAN STUFF LIKE THAT I GUESS WOULD REALLY DEPEND ON WHAT WE FIND.
EACH SIGN WE MAKE OUR OWN SIGNS.
WE'VE TALKED, TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE.
THE SIGNAGE WON'T BE MUCH COSTED OFF TO THE TABLE.
WE WERE VERY LUCKY WITH OUR SIGN SHOP TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SIGNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT FOR DUMPING OR PROBABLY I WOULD ASSUME TOO THAT THIS COULD ALSO BE A COMPLAINT BASE.
LIKE I KNOW THAT WE STAFF WOULD, UM, INSPECT THEM LIKE YOU ALL SAID, AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR AND WHO KNOWS, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO TOO, BUT IF SOMEBODY THAT BORDERS THAT ALLEYWAY, LIKE WHAT HAD HAPPENED WITH US WHERE SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, SENT US PICTURES SAYING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BIRD BATH BACK THERE AND LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY HAD DECIDED NOT TO GO TO THE LANDFILL AND JUST USE THE ALLEY'S LANDFILL.
UM, SO THEY COULD STILL CALL IN.
AND IT COULD BE, AND LOT OF THE ONES WE GETTING OUT ARE LOT MOSTLY TREES LENA OUT OF THAT.
BUT THAT, BUT YEAH, THEY'LL CALL AND CHECK AND SEE IF IT IS GOTCHA.
IF THE TREE'S DEAD, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AND STUFF AND IF IT PROPOSES A THREAT TO SOMETHING, BUT YES MA'AM.
DO YOU, DID YOU SEE ANY PATTERN IN TERMS OF UM, THE HOMES THAT ARE AROUND THERE OWNED OR RENTED? OR IS IT MORE TRANSIENT NEIGHBORHOODS OR IS IT MORE, UM, PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE A LONG TIME? SOME OF THE, YEAH, SOME LIKE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE AREAS LIKE IT WAS KIND OF, IT'S HIT OR MISS.
LIKE SOME OF 'EM WOULD BE REALLY CLEAN WHERE PEOPLE USED TO MAYBE TO ACCESS THE BACK OF THEIR PROPERTY TO PARK MM-HMM.
AND THEN LIKE SOME OF 'EM, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT BE USING BOTH ENDS AND THE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ALL GROWN UP.
LIKE, ALMOST LIKE THEY DIDN'T WANNA HAVE TO SEE THE HOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SPLIT HOUSES, YOU KNOW, IN SOME AREAS BETWEEN TWO STREETS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY I GUESS THEY WANT THAT BUFFER IN BETWEEN THEM AND THE, AND THE BACKYARDS ON THE OTHER PROPERTY.
I MEAN, YOU MAY, I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS JUST ONE, THIS WAS IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM BY CODE, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT SENDS AN EXAMPLE TO PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY AND, AND ESPECIALLY IF WE OWN, YOU KNOW, TECHNICALLY THE ALLEYWAYS, YOU KNOW.
BUT THE, THE OTHER PIECE WAS, IS MAYBE IN THE COURSE OF DOING YOUR INSPECTIONS, YOU CAN TALK TO THE OWNERS AROUND THERE AND SEE IF THEY, YOU KNOW, WOULD HAVE A WILLINGNESS TO, IF THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINING, IF THEY'D HAVE A WILLINGNESS TO MAINTAIN IT OR IF THEY, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, THEN YOU COULD KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TAKE SOME OF THEM OFF YOUR PLATE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S ELDERLY FOLKS OR FOLKS THAT, THAT CAN'T, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN IT, THEN YOU KNOW THAT YOU'LL GO TO HAVE TO DO IT.
AND IT WAS IN THE CODE, UM, WHERE IT SAYS BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, IT SHALL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER AND TENANT TO KNOW OUT TOWN WHEN A TREE IS GROWING.
I, I FEEL LIKE MAYBE IT WASN'T HERE, BUT WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT, LIKE, IT'S NOT OUR JOB RIGHT THERE.
IT'S NOT OUR JOB, BUT THEY CAN'T YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN.
BUT, BUT, UM, THEY CAN, THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF IT IF THEY WANT TO, BUT THEY AREN'T REQUIRED TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
AND I THINK, I MEAN, ISN'T THAT PRIDE OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ISN'T, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I FEEL.
I'VE GOT AN, I'VE GOT AN ALLEY IN BACK OF ME AND I'VE GOT THREE, THREE HOUSES, UH, TO MY, TO MY LEFT AND THEN ONE ACROSS, AND ALL OF US, I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE OH NINE, AND WE TAKE CARE OF THAT.
UH, THE SCHOOL BUS DROPS, DROPS OFF CHILDREN, AND THEY USE THAT AS A KIND OF A THOROUGHFARE BETWEEN, AND I COULDN'T, I, I COULDN'T IMAGINE, UH, ALLOWING THAT TO OVERGROW, WHICH IT COULD VERY, VERY EASILY.
UM, AND, AND HAVE CHILDREN PASSING THROUGH AND, AND, UH, SCHOOL KIDS AND,
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AND SO FORTH.IT'S, IT'S PART, I THINK IT'S A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY PRIDE.
WE WOULD WANT, WE WOULD WANT TO KIND IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT TAKES ME WHEN I DO IT 10 MINUTES, 10 FRI GOOD MINUTES, YOU KNOW, I WON'T KNOW THAT.
BUT LIKE MELISSA SAID, THE THING IS MAKE, I MEAN, LOOK LIKE JOHN, ANY EXCEPTION OF THE ELDERLY.
THAT'S LIKE MELISSA SAID, MY GRANDMA CAN'T.
DEPENDING ON, AND IF YOU MOVED IN TO, IF YOU SAY IT'S LIKE IN A, IN AN AREA WHERE YOU MOVED IN, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY OR YOU YOU'RE WORKING ALL THE TIME OR WHATEVER.
WELL THEN YOU, IT MAY NOT, OR YOU MAY JUST NOT EVEN HAVE EVER TAUGHT, BEEN TAUGHT PRIDE.
WELL, I THINK WE CAN ALWAYS, WE CAN, WE CAN ALWAYS FIND KIND OF EXCUSES THAT IT'S, IT, IT'S REALLY IT.
THE END OF THE DAY IT'S COMMUNITY PRIDE AND WE DO WHAT WE CAN.
AND, AND THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE MESSAGE THAT WE NEED TO, THAT WE NEED TO REINFORCE IN OUR COMMUNITY IS, HEY, TAKE SOME PRIDE IN YOUR, IN YOUR AREA.
THE LAST THING I WAS GONNA JUST ADD TO MELISSA IS I THINK THE PLACE THAT WE WERE SEEING COMPLAINTS, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WERE ON COUNCIL YET.
THEY WERE, UH, VERY EASILY WALKABLE, ACCESSED, VACATED, ALLEYWAYS, NEAR HOMELESSNESS.
AND SO THERE WAS A NEEDLE ISSUE THAT THE COUNCIL HAD BEEN INFORMED OF AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I, I LOVE THE, I I APPRECIATE STAFF.
I APPRECIATE MR. WALTZ AND STAFF, UH, TAKING THIS CONCERN AND ACTUALLY COMING UP WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME SOLUTIONS TO AT LEAST BRING IT TO OUR, YOU KNOW, CUZ THEN THE CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CITIZENS HAVE CONCERNS AND CONTACTS, WE CAN SAY, OKAY, WELL WE'RE AWARE OF THAT ALLEY.
AND, AND IF, IF THERE ARE OTHER ALLEYS, LIKE SKIP MENTIONED, THEY, AND PEOPLE SEE THIS ON THE WEBSITE, THEY CAN ALWAYS CALL AND SAY, HEY, DON'T FORGET TO ADD MINE.
CUZ LIKE YOU SAID, IT MIGHT BE MORE THAN 52 ON.
YOU END UP WITH 70 OR 80 BY SOMEWHERE.
I DO, I DO BELIEVE THOUGH, THAT THE, THE, THE ONE THAT STARTED STARTED THE, THE ALCOHOL THIS, YEAH.
UM, IF YOU WENT UP THERE AND ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE SITE AS I DID OVER THE WEEKEND, UM, THERE'S STILL DEBRIS THERE.
THERE'S LEAVES THAT CLEARLY WERE BLOWING OR RAKED IN THERE.
AND THERE'S STILL, UH, OTHER A DEBRIS, UH, FLOATING ROUNDS.
SO THE, THE, THE, THE WHAT, WHAT IS THE, GOING FORWARD, WHAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TOWN FOR, FOR THAT ARENA? OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T KNOW WHO, WHO DID THIS? I GOT MORE THAN ONE COMPLAINT.
IS THAT THE 13TH STREET YOU'RE SAYING? YES.
I WENT AND LOOKED AT ALL THE ONES I GOT, BUT I GOT MORE THAN ONE.
I, I TOOK PICTURES OF IT YESTERDAY, BUT I MEAN, UH, I DIDN'T SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS IF IN THEIR INSPECTION THEY SEE THINGS LIKE, TO ME THAT'S YARD WASTE THING.
ARE WE GONNA CLEAN IT UP? WELL, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT LEAVES THAT WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
I'M SAYING I'M JUST OFFERING THIS.
I THINK OF LEAVES CUZ I MEAN WE, WHEN WE RAKE OUR LEAVES, WE DUMP IT OVER OUR FENCE JUST SO HAPPENS WE OWN A LITTLE BIT MM-HMM.
UM, I WOULDN'T THINK LEAVES WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO GO SEND SOMEBODY OUT THERE TO TAKE CARE OF OR WE HAVE TO HIRE A LOT MORE STAFF.
NO, YOU KNOW, CHOPPED WOOD, BUT THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A COURT, BUT IF IT'S A BOARD OF CHOPPER DOESN'T THERE LEADS RIGHT.
BUT IS THERE, THERE'S, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A FINE THAT WE HAVE.
SO THERE'S, THE ISSUE IS TOO, IT'S NOT JUST HOW WE CLEAN UP THE ALLEYS, IT'S DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR DEMISE AS WELL.
HAVE SOME PRIDE IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU JUST DON'T, IF YOU GOT LEAVES ON YOUR PROPERTY, DON'T DUMP 'EM ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
I MEAN, NOT JUST NO, BUT I'M SAYING ISN'T AN ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER WHO DID IT THOUGH? BECAUSE IT SAYS THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR LEAVES.
NOW WE DO THE LETTERS OR SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE FIRST I WAS JUST SAYING LEAVE DUMPING LEAVES IN THE ALLEY.
I DON'T SEE, SEE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE STAFF GO IN THERE.
NOW IF, IN MY OPINION, IF THEY SOMEBODY DUMPS A CORD OF WOOD BACK THERE, THEN YOU MIGHT SAY, OKAY, WHY IS ALL THAT WOOD BACK THERE EVEN ISN'T WORK.
EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ACTUALLY RO TOO.
BUT, UM, BUT BUT OTHER TRASH AND STUFF, IT'S A MATTER OF BUILDING MATERIALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WELL, THERE WAS BICYCLES AT THE ONE PLACE WHERE SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE, THERE WERE ITEMS, TIRES.
YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK IF, IF THE HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT IN A POSITION, THE HOMEOWNERS
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AROUND THERE OR, OR THE PEOPLE WHO JUST LIVE AROUND THERE ARE NOT IN A POSITION OR, OR JUST DON'T CLEAN IT UP THAT WE SHOULD AS A TOWN BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE WE OWN THAT LAND TOO.SO, YOU KNOW, WE SEE BICYCLES, WE SEE METAL THINGS.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS DEFINE WHAT WE WANTED THEM TO CLEAN UP.
BECAUSE I DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO BE OUT RAKING LEAVE.
NO, NOT THAT, BUT I THINK DO COMPOST.
HOW ABOUT AFTER THE INSPECTIONS ARE DONE, WE HAVE A FOLLOW UP WITH THIS JUST TO SAY, JUST TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF, YOU KNOWS, THE, LIKE THE, I WON'T SAY ABSURDITIES, BUT THE THINGS THAT WE ARE LIKE, OKAY LOOK, WE FOUND, YOU KNOW, USED MOTOR OIL BACK THERE OR BICYCLES OR TIRES OR BUILDING MATERIALS OR AN OLD FENCE OR YOU KNOW, LIKE ROBBIE SAID, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
MAYBE JUST GIVE US AN IDEA AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT FROM THERE.
I JUST DON'T WANNA GET INTO THE BUSINESS OF US TELLING EVERYBODY THAT WE ARE GOING TO CLEAN BEHIND THEIR HOUSE.
UM, BUT IT SAID IN TODAY'S ELECTRIC BILL THAT I RECEIVED, YOU KNOW, I READ THE PAMPHLET THAT COMES OUT FROM THE TOWN AND IT SAID LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS RELAUNCHING OR IF IT'S JUST THE TIME OF YEAR THAT IT'S INITIATED, BUT WE'RE RIGHT NOW TAKING, I BELIEVE IT'S A RELAUNCHING OF IT INSTEAD RELAUNCHING.
I THINK EACS HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET MORE INTO IT.
AND HELP GET THE WORD OUT DURING COVID.
BECAUSE DURING EARTH DAY WE HAD, YEAH, A COUPLE NEW YEAH, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE, I'VE ACTUALLY TWO PEOPLE THAT HAVE EMAILED ME AND SAID, HEY, MY CLUB WANTS TO ADOPT THE STREET AND I SENT IT TO KAREN WILLIAMS. WELL WE'VE, WE ADOPTED CHESTER STREET IN OH NINE.
WE'VE BEEN MAINTAINING ABLE FORCE FOUNDATION BEEN MAINTAINING IT SINCE OH NINE AND STOP THE INITIATIVE THOUGH DURING, AND THAT'S SAY AGAIN BETWEEN, BETWEEN SECOND STREET AND, AND UH, MAIN STREET CRAP.
POSSIBLY I JUST SENT IT TO ROYAL EXAMINER.
WELL I DIDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT UNTIL WE JUST WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
BECAUSE IF PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA HAVE THE RESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR TO MAINTAIN, THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP, I ALREADY GOT MY ALLEY.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THERE IS, UH, UH, AN ILLEGAL DUMPING ORDINANCE IN TOWN CODE.
AND WHAT DOES IT LIST CLASS THREE MISDEMEANOR.
DOES IT LIST WHAT THAT ILLEGAL DUMPING IS? UH, SHALL BE UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO DUMP OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF TRASH, GARBAGE, REFUSE OR OTHER UNSIGHTLY MATTER ON A PUBLIC STREET RIGHT OF WAY OR ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT THE WRITTEN CONSENT OF THE OWNER.
I THINK THAT ADDRESSES A HUGE ISSUE WHERE YOU'VE GOT MISDEMEANOR.
HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU EXECUTE THAT? RIGHT.
I MEAN YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE PROOF OF DUMPING.
AND I THINK A BIG ALSO BEYOND REASONABLE SOMETHING, A BIG HELP WOULD BE IF WE CREATED SIGNS AND THE ALLEYWAYS THAT ARE BEING DUMPED IN AFTER THE 52 INSPECTIONS ARE DONE.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW THE INCEPTION OF THIS ROBBIE'S TEAM CAN CREATE SIGNS, ILLEGAL DUMPING, BRINGING THIS TO US.
DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT? NO, NO, NO, NO.
SO, BUT, BUT AT ITS INCEPTION I THINK WE'LL LEARN A LOT OF PLACES.
BUT SO THE RELAUNCHING THAT I READ IN THE THING TODAY, EAC HAD GONE AWAY COMPLETELY, I THINK TOO DURING COVID AND ALL OF THAT.
THE BOARD DISMANTLED, BUT, AND THEN WE CAN PUT THE SIGNS UP AND WE CAN MAKE THOSE AND WE CAN STATE THE CODE ILLEGAL DUMPING HIS UNLAWFUL, YOU KNOW, TOWN PROPERTY.
MAYBE THAT'LL DETER SOME OF THE CRIMINAL, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY CALL IT THE LAW.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A SIGN AT, UH, 13TH STREET.
AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT ILLEGAL DUMPING.
AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT A SIGN IN EVERY ALLEY, JUST MAYBE WHEN THEY DO THE INSPECTIONS, THEY COULD BE LIKE, OKAY, THIS ONE WAS WORSE THAN ANOTHER.
UM, I, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE OTHER THING IS, UH, I, I HOPE THAT WE CAN GET TO, UH, THE SEMI AS YOU ALLUDED TO, THE SEMI-ANNUAL, UM, INSPECTION.
I'LL KEEP IT UNDER CONSIDERATION RIGHT NOW.
WE JUST GOTTA GET THROUGH THE FIRST TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE.
YEAR WOULD BE WHAT I WAS SAYING, HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE AN ADDED RESPONSIBILITY ON THE STAFF, WHICH I DO BELIEVE THEY CAN COVER UNDER THEIR NORMAL DUTIES.
BUT I'LL KNOW A LOT UNLESS WE HAVE SOME VOLUNTEERS.
AND, AND NOW YOU WERE JUST GONNA START DOING THE INSPECTIONS.
BUT THEN AFTER THAT I WOULD SAY PROBABLY, I WOULD THINK BEFORE AT THE BEGINNING OF SPRING WOULD BE YOUR BEST TIME IF YOU COULD JUST, CUZ I WOULD THINK PEOPLE, THAT'S WHEN THEY, ALTHOUGH MAYBE I'M WILLING GET RID OF STUFF IN SUMMER.
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SO I WAS ALL, EVERYTHING.AND NOW WE ARE ON TWO ITEM SEVEN, WHICH IS THE CLOSED MEETING.
UH, COUNSEL, DOES ANYBODY HAVE THEIR, IF NOT, I GOT THE SCREEN IF YOU WANT IT.
NEVADA MAYOR, MOVE THE COUNCIL CERTIFIED THAT TO, OH, SORRY.
UH, MAY I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENIENT CLOSING MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 2.2 DASH 37 11 2 0.2 DASH 37 12 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR THE FOLLOWING PURPOSE PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.23711 A VIRGINIA, THE CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ARE EMPLOYED BY OR RETAINED BY IT PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFICALLY MATTER REQUIRING A PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL, OR SPECIFICALLY PROPOSED TOURISM AGREEMENTS WITH DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL INC.
SO YOU FIRST AND SECOND, MS. PRESLEY, YOU READY TO TAKE A ROLL CALL? COUNSEL MONICA PAYNE? YES.
COUNCIL COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES.