* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] READY, [Town Council Work Session on May 1, 2023.] HANG THE CALL TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING OF MONDAY. MAY 1ST TO ORDER. UM, MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? MAYOR CORO. HERE. COUNCILWOMAN DE DO. MONICA PAYNE? HERE. COUNCILMAN HERE. COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS? HERE. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? HERE. COUNCILMAN ROGERS HERE. VICE MAYOR C HERE. OKAY. SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO NUMBER TWO. AND THAT'S, UM, WAS TO AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TOWN CODE CHAPTER 75.44 C, REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES AND RATE TO CHANGE THE EFFECTIVE DATE. MS. PRESLEY, DO YOU WANNA READ THE SUMMARY FOR THAT? COUNCIL ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 75, 44 POINT C AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES AND RATE AS APRIL 24TH. REGULAR MEETING, EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST. STAFF REALIZED ON APRIL 25TH THAT TAX RATES ARE APPROVED FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR, NOT THE FISCAL YEAR. THEREFORE, COUNSEL IS REQUESTED TO AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE CHAPTER 75 44 POINT P REAL AND PERSONAL COPY, TAX TAXES, AND RATES TO REFLECT EFFECTIVE UPON PASSAGE INSTEAD OF EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST AS PRESENTED. YES. MAD MAYOR. UH, THIS, THIS MOTION'S CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT EDITION OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER SECTION 35. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. UM, COUNSEL, UM, UH, DO I HEAR A MOTION? MADAM MAYOR? I MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPROVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE CHAPTER 75.44 POINT C, REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES AND RATES TO AMEND THE EFFECTIVE DATE FROM JULY 1ST, 2023 TO EFFECTIVE UPON PASSAGE AS PRESENTED. OBJECTION. OKAY. FIRST AND SECOND. UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? I THINK IT'S PRETTY , SELF-EXPLANATORY. WE HAD A LITTLE BLIP, UM, AND WE REALIZED IT THE DAY AFTER. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL. COUNCILWOMAN DEGO PAYNE? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT. COUNCILMAN ROGERS? YES. VICE MAYOR SEAK? YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, FOR THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 1 75, TO AMEND THE DEFINITION OF CEMETERY AND ADD CHURCHYARD 1 75 DASH THREE, ADD CEMETERY AS A USE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R THREE TO 1 75 DASH 30, AND TO ADD SUPPLEMENTAL PROVISIONS FOR CEMETERIES AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R THREE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO 1 75 DASH 1 0 7 0.4. MS. PRESLEY, WOULD YOU READ THE SUMMARY FOR US? UM, THE SUMMARY IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU READ. I THEN THERE'S NO NEED, SO I'M JUST GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. MS. PRESBY, HAS ANYONE, UM, SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? I HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP. NO. OKAY. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY. FEEL FREE EITHER. OH, I'LL LET YOU. AND THERE'S A DI RIGHT OVER THERE. YOU PUT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ON. GREAT. NOW LET ME JUST ASK A QUESTION. WOULD WE PREFER THAT BE MOVED OVER HERE? I I ONLY SAY THAT CUZ YOU WON'T BE ON THE CAMERA. NO, WE CAN MOVE. I JUST SAID IT SO IT'D BE IN ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, WE CAN MOVE, BUT THEN THIS WAY, UM, PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY. YOU WANT WANT TO MOVE THAT INTO THE, INTO THE FRAME? WHERE IS THAT? YEP. HERE'S USUALLY THE BEST PLACE FOR IT. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO, TO, TO WRITE AND, UH, SLIDE. I'M NOT THAT SKILLED. I THINK I'M GOOD. I SEE MYSELF. YEAH. OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, I I REALLY DO APPRECIATE, UM, EVERYTHING YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THIS FAR IN EXAMINING THE PROPOSED, UH, ORDINANCE, TAKING THE TIME TO, TO GIVE A CAREFUL AND THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU ULTIMATELY DECIDE. I, I KNOW THAT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, LEGAL COUNSEL FOR DYNAMIC LIFE AND, UM, AND, AND FOR THE CHURCH ITSELF, I, WE THANK YOU FOR, FOR WHATEVER YOU END UP DECIDING. AND THANK YOU FOR THE, THE MEANINGFUL CONSIDERATION. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THAT, THAT THEY'RE HERE, THAT, THAT THEY ARE HEARD AND THAT WE ARE, UM, ABLE TO EXPLAIN, YOU KNOW, OUR POSITION A LITTLE BIT ON THIS. I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH TO SAY AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, ATTORNEYS HAVE A REPUTATION, AT LEAST SOME OF US, FOR, FOR BEING A LITTLE BIT REV ROBUST AND LONG WIND. I'M GONNA BE VERY BRIEF. UM, I THINK THAT PLANNING AND ZONING HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB AT CRAFTING OR AIDING AND CRAFTING A PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT WILL [00:05:01] ACCURATELY REFLECT THE EXISTING RULES, UH, OR EVIDENCED IN THE STATE CODE. AND IT WILL DO NO VIOLENCE TO THOSE EXISTING, UH, PARAMETERS THAT OFFER A FAIR DEGREE OF PROTECTIONS ALREADY IN PLACE. UM, AND I, I TRULY BELIEVE, AND AND THIS IS WHAT I, I SPOKE, SAID AT THE, THE PREVIOUS PLANNING HEARING, THAT THE OVERLAY OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, I THINK PROVIDES MORE THAN ADEQUATE SAFEGUARDS TO PROTECT AGAINST, UH, OVERUSE OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND, AND I, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS WHOLLY AND ABSOLUTELY WITHIN THE, UH, THE, THE INTENDED FRAMEWORK OF WHAT THE TOWN SHOULD EVENTUALLY BE TRYING TO DO. I MEAN, I THINK THIS, AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M BIASED, BUT I I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A WIN FOR EVERYBODY. I, I REALLY DON'T SEE MUCH OF A DOWNSIDE AT ALL. I THINK THAT, UH, GIVEN ALL OF THE PARAMETERS AND CIRCUMSTANCES AND, UH, THE NATURE OF THE TOWN ITSELF, I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS BOARD TO, TO REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST KNOCK ONE OUT OF THE PARK. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM. BUT I DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THUS FAR. AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR SOME MORE FROM OTHER FOLKS ABOUT, UM, THE IMPACT THAT, UH, PASTOR CARLTON ROGERS LEFT ON THE COMMUNITY. UM, THAT'S NOT IN QUESTION. I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE THINKS THAT'S IN QUESTION. I DO KNOW THAT SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS MIGHT LIE WITH THE RAMIFICATIONS OF PASSING THIS ORDINANCE, BUT I I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, IN MY OPINION, I THINK PLANNING ZONING IS AN ABSOLUTE, UH, EXCELLENT JOB AND, AND, AND COUNSEL FOR THE TOWN AS WELL AND HELPING TO CRAFT THAT. AND I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE IT WILL FURTHER THE BENEFIT OF THE TALENT GENERAL. SO, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DID YOU, DID YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN STARTED? I DID NOT. I'M, I'M, I'M JOE DEREO, JOSEPH DEREO, COUNSEL FOR DYNAMIC LIFE. UH, OKAY. FIRM ADDRESS, 92 JENNY COURT, STRASBURG, VIRGINIA. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. APOLOGIES. OH, NO, THAT'S OKAY. PERFECT. A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. OKAY. UM, OKAY. I'M ON UP. , I TOUCH YOU. NEXT . HE CUT. . KIDDING. JERRY GILL, 19 FAIRVIEW AVENUE, NEWVILLE, VIRGINIA. UM, I JUST WANNA THANK THE COUNCIL, UH, MADAM MAYOR, HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, THANK YOU FOR THIS. UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IT WAS ABOUT SAYING PASTOR CARLTON WAS, WAS, WAS TRULY LOVED IN HIS COMMUNITY. HE DID A LOT OF THINGS IN HIS COMMUNITY. UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, THE PREGNANCY SIX CENTER DOWN THERE AND, AND HELPING THESE BABIES AND DIAPERS. HE, HE LOVED CHILDREN IN THIS COMMUNITY SO MUCH, AND THIS WOULD BE THE HONORABLE THING TO LET HIM DO. UM, I JUST WANNA STRESS AGAIN, UM, THE, THE TIMEFRAME IN THIS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, AS ALL Y'ALL KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DROVE ME CRAZY BECAUSE GOVERNMENT MOVED SO SLOW. , IT'S JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW. BUT, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO PUSH THIS ALONG. UM, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE FAMILY WANTS, UH, GET THIS DONE. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK, MY NAME IS ELVIE ROGERS AT 14 LITTLE SORL DRIVE HERE IN MIDDLETOWN, VIRGINIA. UM, AND JUST TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY HUSBAND, PASTOR CARLTON, AS GARY WAS SAYING, UM, HE TRULY HAS A HEART AND I SAY HAS CUZ TO US. HE'S, HE'S IN HEAVEN WITH THE LORD. HE'S STILL ALIVE JUST IN A DIFFERENT PLACE. SO I SPEAK OF HIM IN THE PRESENT TENSE, BUT TRULY HAS A HEART FOR THE DOWN AND OUT. AND AS GARY MENTIONED, HE, UH, WAS ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN OUR PREGNANCY CENTER HERE, THE PHOENIX PROJECT, SALVATION ARMY. UH, WE CONTRIBUTED TO LOCAL FOOD BANKS HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THE HOUSE OF HOPE. WE'VE BEEN CONNECTED WITH THEM. UH, HE TRULY HAD A HEART FOR ANY NEED THAT SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE. HE SAID HE WANTED DYNAMIC LIFE TO BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WHO NEEDED HELP THAT THEY COULD COME AND GET IT. WHETHER IT WAS COUPLES STRUGGLING WITH THEIR MARRIAGE, PARENTS NEEDING HELP WITH PARENTING, PEOPLE STRUGGLING THROUGH DIVORCE OR SINGLE PARENTS. UM, PEOPLE NEEDING HELP WITH FINANCES AND, AND GETTING THEIR FINANCES IN ORDER, UH, PEOPLE STRUGGLING IN THEIR HEALTH OR MAYBE EVEN NEEDING SOME POINTERS WITH FITNESS. AND WE WANTED DYNAMIC LIFE TO BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE COULD COME NO MATTER WHO THEY WERE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND WE COULD, UH, PROVIDE WHAT THEY NEEDED TO HELP BETTER THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING MY HUSBAND WAS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT. UM, WE PR, WE OUR CHURCH, DYNAMIC LIFE PARTICIPATED IN PARADES. WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO THE PARADE ON THE 13TH OF THIS, OF THIS MONTH. UH, THE WALK FOR LIFE, THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER EVENTS. UM, AND MANY EVENTS IN TOWN SUCH AS LIKE THE THERMAL SHELTER. WE OPENED UP OUR BUILDING AND LET THE HOMELESS STAY WITH US THERE, PROVIDED CARE FOR THEM. UM, AND THEN WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY INDIVIDUALLY, WHETHER THEY CAME TO [00:10:01] DYNAMIC LIFE OR NOT, UH, DOING HOSPITAL VISITS. SOMETIMES PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WOULD SAY, WE NEED SOMEBODY TO PRAY FOR A LOVED ONE. AND MY HUSBAND WOULD GO TO THE HOSPITALS, UM, AND I WOULD JOIN HIM. WE'VE DONE FUNERALS OF PEOPLE FROM OUR LOCAL CHURCH, OR EVEN SOMETIMES THE FUNERAL HOME WOULD CALL WHEN THERE WAS TRAGEDIES AND THERE WAS NO MINISTER. AND MY HUSBAND WOULD, WOULD PERFORM THOSE AT OUR CHURCH. DID WEDDINGS, BABY DEDICATIONS. AND WE EVEN BAPTIZED HERE IN THE, ON OUR LOCAL RIVER AND SOME OF THE LOCAL CHURCHES. UH, HE WAS A, A DREAM BUILDER, BUT HE ALSO WANTED TO SEE OTHER PEOPLE'S DREAMS COME TO PASS. SO WE WEREN'T JUST TRYING TO BUILD LIKE AN EMPIRE DYNAMIC LIFE. WE HELPED GIVE VEHICLES. WE BOUGHT A CHURCH AND A PARSONAGE FOR ANOTHER MINISTRY AND GAVE CHAIRS, GAVE SOUND SYSTEMS THAT WE HAD AND PASSED HIM ONTO OTHERS BECAUSE YOU TRULY HAD A HEART, NOT JUST FOR OUR LOCAL CHURCH, BUT FOR THIS WHOLE COMMUNITY. UM, AND LOVED ALL PEOPLE NO MATTER WHO THEY WERE IN THIS TOWN. HE LOVED PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY. UH, AS GARY MENTIONED, ESPECIALLY THE KIDS. THAT'S WHY WE KEPT BUYING MORE BUSTS AND SHUTTLES AND, AND THINGS TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO CHILDREN WITH CRUSADES. AND OPENED OUR SCHOOL HERE, UH, HAVING OUR 15TH GRADUATION. THIS COMING, UH, JUNE, UH, JUST REALLY CARED ABOUT THE KIDS IN THIS COMMUNITY. UH, LOVED THE TEENS. THAT'S WHY WE OPENED THE DL CAMPUS COFFEE HERE ON MAIN STREET, JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM HERE. CUZ HE WANTED A PLACE FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE TO GO. THAT WAS A GOOD WHOLESOME ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY COULD GET 'EM OFF THE STREETS AND GET IN A GREAT ATMOSPHERE AND ENJOY A GREAT TIME. WE'D PUT THE PING PONG TABLE UP BEFORE COVID, UH, PROBABLY TIME TO PULL THAT OUT AGAIN AND JUST DO THINGS CUZ YOU TRULY LOVE THE YOUTH IN THIS COMMUNITY. UM, AND HE WAS A VERY HUMBLE AND KIND AND GENEROUS MAN. SO WHEN HE PASSED AWAY, AND WE WERE ACTUALLY AT ONE OF THE LOCAL CEMETERIES MAKING THE ARRANGEMENTS, UM, ALMOST THREE MONTHS AGO NOW, MY OLDEST DAUGHTER, WHO'S HERE TONIGHT, UH, SAID, WHY DON'T WE LAY HIM REST AT THE CHURCH? WHY WOULD WE GO TO A CEMETERY? AND I WENT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW. I NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED THAT. UH, AND THAT STARTED THE PROCESS THREE MONTHS AGO. AND WE DID THE CALL IMMEDIATELY TO ZONING AND CAN WE, ARE WE ALLOWED TO? AND THAT'S WHERE THIS PROCESS STARTED. SO WE, UH, WE DECIDED TO PUSH FORWARD AND KEEP PUSHING FORWARD. IT WAS SO IMPORTANT TO US, UH, THAT WE COULD HAVE A PLACE WHERE OUR CHURCH FAMILY AND GENERATIONS COULD COME TO COME, CAN HEAR ABOUT THIS GREAT MAN AND HAVE A PLACE TO HONOR HIM. SHE ATTENDED LIBERTY UNIVERSITY AND SAID THAT THERE WAS A PLACE ON LIBERTY CAMPUS WHERE JERRY FALWELL WAS LAID TO REST. AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE WHERE THE WHOLE TOWN ENJOYS GOING AND REMEMBERING JERRY FALWELL. WE THOUGHT, WELL, WE SHOULD DO THE SAME FOR PASTOR CARLTON ROGERS HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND SO WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I KNOW IF IT'S APPROVED TONIGHT THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE CONDITIONS REQUIRED. SURVEYS, WHICH WE HAVE A SURVEY, WE'LL FILL OUT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT I KNOW THAT CAN END UP TAKING A COUPLE MORE MONTHS. AND THE, UH, FUNERAL HOME HAS BEEN EXTREMELY GRACIOUS. UH, WE, WE ASK THEM, COULD YOU AT LEAST GO IN THE PROCESS WITH US, AT LEAST UP TO MAY. YOU KNOW, WE THINK BY MAY WE SHOULD HAVE IT DONE. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WERE TOLD WHEN THIS WHOLE PROCESS STARTED, AND THEY SAID, ABSOLUTELY. SO I'M HOPING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE 'EM A GOOD ANSWER SOON. UM, ON A GOOD END POINT, IF YOU GUYS APPROVE THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK? MR. SAER? SARAH FROM, UH, 8 35 CHAN SHORE FROM WIL. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THE PASTOR'S WIFE JUST SAID, I'M AFFILIATED WITH THE FRONT HALL CENTER AND DYNAMIC LIFE. AND HER HUSBAND WAS VERY ACTIVE IN IT SHOWED UP AS A WALKER LIFE. IT WAS MORE THAN JUST DOING THAT. THEY WERE FUNDRAISERS. THEY PROVIDED, UM, ALL KINDS OF THINGS FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY GIVE AWAY FOR FREE AND COUNSELING AT THE FRONT ROYAL PREGNANCY CENTER. SO, UM, WHATEVER THEY ASK, I WOULD GRANT . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? OOPS, SORRY. UH, SARAH KESSLER, TWO 16 PENDLETON LANE, JOHNSBURG, VIRGINIA. I SPOKE, UM, AT THE VERY FIRST MEETING, UM, BUT THERE'S SOME NEW FACES HERE. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE CONGREGATION AND THE STAFF AT DYNAMIC LIFE. UM, JUST TO KIND OF REITERATE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAID AND HOW IMPACTFUL PASTOR CARLTON WAS IN SO MANY OF OUR LIVES, INCLUDING MY OWN, UM, HE CHANGED MY LIFE AND HE LOVED OTHER PEOPLE THAT WAY. AND I'VE HEARD SO MANY PEOPLE TELL THAT SAME STORY. AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE WE CAN HONOR HIM WOULD MEAN, UH, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT TO OUR STAFF. UM, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF OUR STAFF AND TO THE FAMILY AND TO THE OTHER PEOPLE WHOSE LIVES HE HAS JUST BEEN ABLE TO REALLY CHANGE. UM, AND THEN I'VE BEEN, I WORK FOR DYNAMIC LIFE. I'VE BEEN WITH THEM FOR, I THINK IT'S 12 YEARS, ALMOST 13 YEARS. UM, AND I WORK KIND OF AS THE PASTOR'S ASSISTANT AND, UM, I KNOW THAT IT [00:15:01] WOULD MEAN A LOT TO THEM TO EXPEDITE THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. UM, AND SO I'M, I'VE BEEN KIND OF HELPING THEM THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. YOU'VE SEEN MY FACE AT ALL OF THESE MEETINGS, AND SO I WOULD JUST ASK FOR, UH, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, EVERYBODY. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD AND I KNOW YOU HAVE TRIED TO PUSH IT THROUGH AND YOU'VE HELD SPECIAL MEETINGS. AND SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING THAT AND FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP. UM, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD JUST CONSIDER CONTINUING TO DO THAT SO THAT WE COULD EXPLAIN THIS FOR THE FAMILY AND FOR THE CONGREGATION. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SENSITIVITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, SINCE THERE'S NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL. I'M MADAM MAYOR. I MOVE THAT COUNSEL, APPROVE AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 1 75 TO AMEND THE DEFINITION OF CEMETERY AND ADD CHURCHYARD TO 1 75 DASH THREE. ADD CEMETERY AS A USE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE RESIDE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, R THREE TO 1 75 DASH 30, AND TO ADD SUPPLEMENTAL PROVISIONS FOR CEMETERIES AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R THREE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO 1 75 DASH 1 0 7 0.4 AS PRESENTED SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND AND WE WILL OPEN THIS UP TO DISCUSSION. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO, UM, SAY IN REGARDS TO THIS, UM, PUBLIC HEARING OR THIS TOPIC? ANYBODY? LET'S GET IT PASSED AND, UM, GREAT. YEAH, YEAH, I WAS, MY QUESTION WAS WOULD BE WHAT? WELL, WELL, LET'S JUST SEE HOW IT GOES FIRST, BUT I WAS GONNA ASK LIKE NEXT STEPS. SO I SPOKE TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND I SPOKE TO MRS. ROGERS LAST WEEK. UM, THEY NEED TO APPLY FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT TOMORROW MM-HMM. , UH, ONCE IF THIS BECOMES EFFECTIVE MM-HMM. . AND WITH THAT THEY NEEDED SOME DOCUMENTATION. I WAS ABLE TO LET HER KNOW WHAT THAT WAS AND THAT DOCUMENTATION. UM, AND THEN I SPOKE TO CHAIRMAN DARRELL MERCHANT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND HE HAS AGREED THAT COUNSEL AND PC CAN DULY ADVERTISE THIS TO NOT DELAY. IF WE DON'T DULY ADVERTISE, IT COULD BE JULY AT OUR REGULAR MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE THE END OF JULY. MM-HMM. SO IF WE CAN, WE DO HAVE HEFTY AGENDAS COMING UP THIS MONTH AND NEXT, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT EVERYBODY HERE WOULD BE WILLING TO ADD THIS TO THE AGENDA. SO, AND I'D ALSO BE WILLING TO CAUSE SPECIAL MEETING KIND OF LIKE WE DID TONIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I, YEAH, THIS IS A ONE ITEM AGENDA. UM, I MEAN, IT COULD BE A, WE COULD PICK ANY NIGHT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A MONDAY NIGHT, AND I THOUGHT EVEN ADD THAT TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION. BUT I, IT SHOULD, I BELIEVE WITH ADVERTISEMENT, IT SHOULD BE FINISHED NO LATER THAN OUR FIRST MEETING OF JUNE, IF NOT THE REGULAR MEETING THIS MONTH. NO. YEAH. WE HAVE TIME FOR THE REGULAR MEETING AT THE END OF MAY. IF IT GOES THROUGH, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AT THE SAME TIME THOUGH. AND THEY NEED 10 DAYS AS WELL. WELL, 10 OR 14. 14. 14 DAYS. SO TODAY'S THE FIRST 14 DAYS, IT WOULD BE FROM TOMORROW WHEN THE IF SECOND PLUS 14 IS MAY 16TH. RIGHT. SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE, THEY, WHEN'S THEIR NEXT MEETING? SO THEIR NEXT WORK SESSION IS THIS WEDNESDAY. OKAY. THE REGULAR MEETING IS MAY 17TH. OKAY. UM, SO IF THE APPLICATION'S IN TOMORROW, IN THEORY, WE COULD GET IT. WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ADVERTISE, BUT PLANNING COMMISSION'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE A WORK SESSION ON IT. SO HONESTLY, I, I THINK IF WE PLANNING COMMISSION'S WILLING, WE MAY NEED TO DO LIKE A SPECIAL MEETING AND KNOCK IT BACK A WEEK ON THEIR END. AND THEN IT WOULD STILL BE A TIME FOR THE END OF OUR RMA REGULAR MEETING. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. I KNOW THIS IS AN ODD QUESTION, BUT CAN THEY EVER DO LIKE THE WORK SESSION AT SIX 30 AND A MEETING AT SEVEN? LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF DO. SO THEY COULD LIKE HAVE THE WORK SESSION AT THE SAME NIGHT THAT THEY THEN HAVE THE MEETING THAT WOULD JUST TAKE ACTION ON IT. THEY CAN DO THAT. I WORKED ON THE JURISDICTION WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE THE, THE MEETING, THE WORK SESSION JUST PRIOR TO MAKING LEAVE. I MEAN, I, I I'M JUMPING THE GUN. WE, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL HASN'T TAKEN ACTION HERE, BUT I'M JUST, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S ON EVERYBODY'S MIND. LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW QUICKLY WE CAN, WE CAN TURN THIS AROUND BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY OPPOSITION. I DO KNOW THERE IS SOME CONCERN FROM PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN I REACHED OUT REGARDING THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, NOT SPECIFICALLY TO THIS PROPERTY AND THIS USE. UM, BUT REGARDING THE R THREE DISTRICT AND THE LEGAL TERM, BRUCE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON IT, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO. NO, UH, DARRELL SENT ME, I BELIEVE, UH, IT, IT WAS JUST THE INTERPRETATION. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE COULD DO THIS, UH, A LOT FASTER IN THE BEGINNING. UM, I, I, MY, I JUST SAID, UH, UH, I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAD TO BRING, UH, OUR THREE INTO IT. UH, I THOUGHT THE STATE CODE WAS, UH, CLEAR ABOUT [00:20:01] CHURCHYARD. UM, BUT, UH, I REACHED OUT TO, UH, COUNSELOR SONNET AND HE, UH, PRETTY MUCH, UH, CLARIFIED THIS QUESTIONS FOR ME. UH, SO I'M, I'M READY TO ROCK. OKAY. SO BEST CASE SCENARIO, MAYBE BY THE END OF THE MONTH, WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE COULD CALL A SPECIAL MEETING AND, AND, OR WE COULD MAKE IT AT OUR FIRST WORK SESSION IN JUNE. WE COULD MAKE IT THAT INSTEAD OF, WE COULD DO JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. IDEALLY THOUGH, WE WOULD BE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US VOTE ON THIS. UM, IS IT, WELL, IT'S MAY 24TH, THE 22ND. IS THAT OUR 22ND? YEAH, THAT'S THE 29TH IS MEMORIAL DAY PM 22ND. OKAY. WELL, I JUST THINK WE SHOULD DO IT. I HAD TWO GRANDCHILDREN THAT WENT TO SCHOOL OUT THERE AND I MET BOTH OF 'EM SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LOBBY. AND IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, THE GRANDKIDS LOVED IT AND I THINK HE WAS A BIG INSPIRATION FOR A LOT OF THINGS. I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS. I THINK EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD WITH TRYING TO, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. MS. PRESLEY, WHAT'S THE QUESTION? I NEED AN ADVERTISEMENT TOMORROW TO GET IT ON YOUR 22ND. OKAY. AND SO I'M GONNA NEED THAT FROM LAUREN, FROM THE APPLICANT. AND LAUREN, YOU COULD SUBMIT IT TOMORROW TOO IF YOU FILL IT OUT TOMORROW. OKAY. EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL KNOWS MY OPINION ON IT. I'M ASHAMED AND SAD THAT THE GOVERNMENT INVOLVED IN IT. IT TAKES THIS LONG TO DO SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO MOURN AND ALL THAT. LET'S GO, LET'S GO. Y'ALL VOTE. ARE WE READY? I'M READY. COUNCILWOMAN DE MONICA PAYNE. YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCIL MO MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN ? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS. YES. NICE MAYOR SEAT. ABSOLUTELY, YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. SO TOMORROW, IF YOU ALL CAN GET THAT IN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, ALLOWING LAUREN THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO THE CLERK, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T GET IT ADVERTISED TOMORROW, THAT WOULD LITERALLY, LET'S SEE, THAT WOULD BE THE THIRD. THAT WOULD LITERALLY BE THE 14 DAYS WOULD BE THE DAY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. SO IDEALLY IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT COULD HAPPEN TOMORROW. NO PRESSURE. I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE READY. YEAH, WE'RE READY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO, UH, I'M, I'M GONNA ADJOURN THAT AJOUR THIS MEETING AND, UM, WE CAN BEGIN OUR TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION. I WILL SAY THIS. DOES ANYBODY NEED TO DO A QUICK RESTROOM BREAK BEFORE WE START THAT, OR IS EVERYBODY READY TO MOVE ON? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, MS. PRESLEY, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A ROLL CALL FOR THE WORK SESSION, DO WE? OKAY. SO YOU CAN JUST MOVE ON TO NUMBER ONE. THANK YOU ALL. OKAY. EIGHT 30. SO THE FIRST ITEM IN OUR WORK SESSION IS THE CONTINUED DISCUSSION OF REZONING UP OF THE REZONING APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT OF THE ZONING MAP TO RECLASSIFY APPROXIMATELY 43.9 ACRES FROM STATE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT RE TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R ONE A, UH, NDR SADDLE CCRT. MS. KISHK, I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE, UM, TAKING OFF THIS DISCUSSION FOR US. UH, I DIDN'T HAVE YOU READ THE SUMMARY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO READ THE SUMMARY. IS I THAT ME TO THIS ON THE TABLE? ARE THEY THE SAME? THIS SHOWS YOU HAVE IT DIGITALLY. THIS JUST YOU A COLOR REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THEY'RE, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SHE DOESN'T DOING HER PHONE DOWN HERE, DO YOU? ALL I CAN SEE ON I'M GOOD. WE WE'VE GOT IT. WE GOT IT DIGITALLY TOO. OKAY. LAUREN, THIS IS ALL IN OUR CAPITAL, CORRECT? CORRECT. THAT SAME PICTURE IS PAGE NUMBER 18 N FOUR, 4.1 [00:25:02] RESIDENTIAL WIND DWELLING THE PER ACRE TO OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R ONE A IN THAT, UM, LOT SIZES OF ABOUT UP TO 7,000 SQUARE FEET. UH, IT'S A HIGHER DENSITY. UM, AND WITH THIS NEWEST ITERATION THERE ARE PROFFER AMENDMENTS AND THEN THERE'S AMENDMENTS TO THE CONCEPT PLAN. SO WHAT THE CONCEPT PLAN IS NOW SHOWING YOU IS THAT THEY'VE GONE FROM 140 LOTS, WHICH WAS THE FIRST GO AROUND TO WHERE I THINK WE'RE DOWN TO 128 AND THEY HAVE NOW PROFFERED TO START THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR. UM, SO THAT IS THAT PINK WE'RE RUNNING SECTION ON THAT DIAGRAM OR IN YOUR PDF. AND THEN THEY'VE ALSO AGREED TO CREATE A 20 FOOT WIDE, A TEMPORARY GRAVEL EMERGENCY ACCESS ANYWAY. AND THAT WOULD BE TO THEIR SECOND ENTRANCE. THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD OUT THE SECOND ENTRANCE. BLESS. SO THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THE SECOND ENTRANCE OUT SO PEOPLE CAN GET OUT, RIGHT? YES. AND THE SECOND ENTRANCE IS GONNA BE PAVED. THE ONLY PORTION THAT'S GONNA BE GRAVEL IS GOING TO BE WHAT WAS BECOME, UM, THE NEXT PHASE OF THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR. AND SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT A TWO-LANE. THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR WILL BE TWO LANES, UH, THE DITCH SECTIONS THAT'LL BE BUILT TO VDOT RURAL ARTERIAL STANDARDS. AND THEN THE NEXT PORTION HERE FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS WILL BE GRAVEL IN 20 FOOT, 20 FEET WIDE. SORRY, CAN YOU COMMENT ON, UH, CAN YOU PROVIDE A TIMELINE PLEASE FOR A TIMELINE? THE, UH, INITIAL AND THIS, UH, SECONDARY, WELL, THE SECONDARY WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED AT THE SAME TIME AS THE INITIAL PHASE. I THINK THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A MORE ACCURATE TIMELINE IF YOU DON'T. DO YOU ALSO ADD IT'S AT THE BEGINNING? AT AT THE BEGINNING, THIS WOULD BE OUR ACCESS. YEAH. IT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN GET IN. IT'S THE ONLY WAY WE GET IN. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. OTHERWISE, WE'LL, SO, SO THIS, UH, UH, THE RED INDICATED ON AT LEAST MINE, UH, AND THEN GRAVEL, BOTH OF THOSE WILL COMMENCE UPON, UH, COMMENCEMENT OF THE PROPERTY, UH, DEVELOPMENT. YES. BOTH OF THOSE WILL COMMENCE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROPERTY. YES. YES. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE SKIP, TYPICALLY THEY WOULD COME IN AND BUILD THE STREETS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE, PUT THAT IN PLACE, AND THEN DEVELOP THE LOTS AFTERWARDS. SO THE NEXT STEP IS THAT ONCE THEY GET THIS THROUGH, THEN THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD SUBMIT THEIR SITE PLAN, WE WOULD REVIEW THAT. GOT IT. AND THEN WHILE THEY'RE DOING THE SITE PLAN, THEY CAN GO AND GET THEIR GRADING PLAN. THEY BEGIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THE FIRST THING THEY HAVE TO DO IS BUILD THAT ROAD TO ACCESS THE SITE AND THEN START CONSTRUCTION. AND I, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT THAT THE, MY MAIN CONCERN WITH THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN INGRESS EGRESS. SURE. UM, AND SO, UH, YOU'RE MAKING ME FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN INGRESS EGRESS SEC, SECONDARY INGRESS EGRESS, UH, POINT. UH, AND IT'S NOT ALL OF MY CONCERNS, BUT I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. SO WHEN, UM, THE SECOND ACCESS BEING HERE? YES, SIR. SO THERE'S, WE WOULD WITHOUT A DOUBT HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE BUILDING THE ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HERE CUZ THE SAN SANITARY SEWERS DOWN HERE. SO WE HAVE TO GO DOWN. SO JUST IF YOU HAD ANY DOUBT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GONNA PHASE IT THE SANITARY SEWER RUNS. YEP. GENERALLY AROUND HERE. SO WE, BUT IT'S LIKE I ASKED, WE HAVE TO BE DOWN THERE. IT'S LIKE I ASKED BEFORE THEY, WHEN I TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS, SO THIS, THIS, THIS GRAVEL ROAD AND THIS THIS SECOND ROAD OUT WILL STAY OPEN. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR EMERGENCY. THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS YOUR COMMENT. YEAH. IT, IT'S SUFFICIENT DAYS TO SUPPORT THE FIRE TRUCKS AND SO ON. SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR, YOUR TWO ENTRANCES. THE OTHER THING THAT NOT ONLY IS IT SANITARY AND SO ON, BUT ALL THE DRAINAGE, I HOPE YOU CAN APPRECIATE. THERE'S A LOT OF WORK. IT'S NOT JUST LAYING A ROAD. WE'RE ALSO DRAINAGE AND SO ON. ALL THAT IS GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE. I UNDERSTAND. AS LAUREN SAID AT THE VERY BEGINNING, THAT WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN. YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN YOU SAW IT, MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS COMING IN THE ENTRANCE, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS ONE OF THOSE HOUSES RIGHT AROUND AND WE HAVE TO EVACUATE PEOPLE, THERE'S NOWHERE TO GET 'EM OUT. OR THERE'S FORMERLY YEAH. OR NORFOLK OF SOUTHERN HAS A DERAILMENT, YOU KNOW, CONTRAS IT, HAZMAT, DERAILMENT, ALL THESE, THEY'RE GONNA BACK UP HERE AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS GONNA HAPPEN. NO, WE HEARD YOUR COMMENTS AND THEY'RE REFLECTED IN THOSE DRAWINGS. [00:30:01] OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. MM-HMM. , IS THERE AN ESTIMATED VALUE OF THE, UM, OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO NOW? I'M SORRY? UH, IS THERE AN ESTIMATED VALUE FOR THE YES. WHAT IS THAT? THE TWO TO GATHER MM-HMM. APPROXIMATELY 1.1 MILLION AS COMPARED WITH CASE. YOU'RE CURIOUS, THE PROFFERS 4 54. AND THAT'S OVER TIME BECAUSE THAT WAS PAID WITH EACH UNIT GETTING A CO SO IN ROUND NUMBERS, AND THESE ARE ESTIMATES FROM ENGINEERS, AND AS RICK REMINDED ME, WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA GET IT AT THAT NUMBER 1.1 MILLION? SO THE, THE ANSWER IS WE'RE WE'RE PROFFERING IN COST CONSIDERABLY MORE. AND AS YOU POINTED OUT ALL UPFRONT, AS OPPOSED TO OVER BE BUILT AND FINANCED UPFRONT AS WELL, AS OPPOSED TO PAYING IT PROPERLY. OCCUPA. SEE? SO IT'S, BUT IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND, AND WE'RE WE'RE ABLE TO PROFFER THAT. I CAN GIVE AN IDEA WHERE YOU THINK IS THEN THAT WOULDN'T MATCH WITH THE REST OF THE WELL, I WAS, WHAT I WAS WONDERING MORE WAS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE, YOU'RE REMOVING THE, FOR THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE PUT THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC, THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THE VALUE OF THE ROAD IS LIKE ASTRONOMICALLY BIGGER THAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VALUE OF THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. THAT'S, IS THAT CORRECT QUESTION? AND THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT. YEAH, WE AGREE. OKAY. LOOKS LIKE THEY HEARD OUR CONCERNS AND VOLUNTARILY CHANGE THEIR PROFFERS. YEP. ALL RIGHT. UM, WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS, MAKE ANY COMMENTS? WE HAVE, UM, THE APPLICANT HERE SAYS IT'S A GOOD TIME TO ASK THEM. NOT THAT LAUREN CAN ASK, ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT THIS GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY. MR. BRAK, YOU DO THAT? UH, WELL, I'M, I'M, UH, I, I'M PLEASED WITH THE, UH, THE FACT THAT THEY, THEY HEARD, HEARD OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE EMERGENCY EXIT, UH, GETTING A SECOND ENTRANCE, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A SMALL PROJECT. UM, I, UH, AND I CAN APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE, UH, THE CALL, THE, WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO THE, INTO THE, UH, THE ROAD DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND THAT OBVIOUSLY OUTWEIGHS, UH, IN A SENSE THE CASH PROFFER FOR THE SCHOOLS. IF YOU DO THE MATH, IT'S AROUND 460 WAS 460,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, UH, THE, THE COUNTY, UH, MY, MY CONCERN IS OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE AN IMPACT WITH, UM, WITH, WITH STUDENTS. THERE'S GONNA BE STUDENTS AND, UH, THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY'S MODEL, UM, WAS CALLING FOR LIKE 40, UH, 47, 35, I THINK. UM, WHICH YOU DO THE MATH THERE AND YOU GET ABOUT 615,000. UM, I KNOW THAT, THAT, UH, YOU CAN ONLY VOLUNTEER IN YOUR BY RIGHT. YOU HAVE A BY RIGHT. TO TAKE A CREDIT. UH, AND WE KNOW THAT NVR IS A WORLD RENOWNED, UH, BUILDER, UH, SAID THE MINI MANY SUCCESSFUL YEARS IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS. SO, UH, NET INCOME'S BEEN LIKE ABOUT, ON AVERAGE, ABOUT 1.2. UH, I THINK IT'S ONE, 1.2, UH, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S 1.2 BILLION, UH, AND, AND GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE. SO, UM, I, UH, WE'RE SMALL POTATOES HERE, BUT, UH, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION, THE IMPACT FOR THE COUNTY WITH THE SCHOOL, IF IT HELPS. UM, I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH TERRAN AND TOLD HER THAT WE WERE MAKING THIS REVISION MM-HMM. AND LIKE ALL PROFFERS, THEY'RE VOLUNTARY. SURE. AND SO WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS WE, WE'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS. SO WE, WE DID THE DRAWINGS, GOT [00:35:01] THE ESTIMATES MM-HMM. AND, AND WE'RE VERY TRANSPARENT. WE, WE COULD PROCEED WITH, WITH THE PROFFERS FOR THE SCHOOLS AS WE HAD DONE BEFORE. OR WE'D HEARD COMMENTS LIKE TO SEE THE ROADS AND SO ON. AND, AND I, I BROUGHT UP YOUR POINT. I SAID, THIS IS, THIS IS A ROAD, IT'S THE BEGINNING OF A ROAD MM-HMM. , UM, THAT WE PERCEIVE AS IMPORTANT FOR THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY. MM-HMM. BECAUSE WE PARTICIPATED, UH, WITH, WITH OTHERS IN THE JOINT MEETINGS, TOWN AND COUNTY MEETINGS. AND, AND WE HEAR THAT THIS TRANSPORTATION NETWORK IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT FOR BOTH, BOTH, UH, JURISDICTIONS. AND SO I ASKED HER, I SAID, WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE COUNTY. YOU GIVE COMMENTS, WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND, AND INVITED HER TO, TO SPEAK WITH, WITH LAUREN AND OTHERS, BUT, AND I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK FOR HER, BUT I BELIEVE SHE BELIEVES, AND THAT THE COUNTY BELIEVES THAT THE VALUE OF STARTING THIS ROAD IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT. THE COST OF IT IS CERTAINLY SIGNIFICANT. WE HOPE THAT IT COMES IN, IN OUR ESTIMATES OR EXPERIENCES, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE MORE, BUT WE'RE PROFFERING TO DO IT. MM-HMM. . AND THAT IT IS A CHOICE. IT'S A VOLUNTARY PROFFER. WE THROW IT OUT TO THE, TO THE TOWN FIRST, CERTAINLY. AND THE TOWN OR THE COUNTY TO GIVE COMMENT. AND WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S BEING WELL RECEIVED BY, BOTH BY THE TOWN AND BY THE COUNTY. AND, AND JUST BOTTOM LINE IS, AND THE QUESTION WAS SPOT ON, IS WHAT'S THE VALUE HERE? BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING, FROM A MONETARY PERSPECTIVE, MORE OF A BENEFIT FOR BOTH COUNTY AND COUNTY, NOT MINIMIZING THE SCHOOL COSTS AND ALL THAT. BUT 1.1 IS MORE THAN SIX 15 OR 4 54, AND WE'RE STARTING AN IMPORTANT, UH, ROAD NETWORK. AND IT PROBABLY DOESN'T HURT THAT WE DID THE FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT SAYS WE'RE IN NET TAX POSITIVE OF OVER THREE, CONSERVATIVELY OVER 300,000 EACH AND EVERY YEAR. AND THOSE FUNDS CAN BE USED HOWEVER THE JURISDICTIONS WANT TO USE 'EM FOR THE, FOR THE SCHOOLS THAT THEY LIKE OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU JUST FOR THE TOWN. I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. OKAY. BUT THEY'RE INTERRELATED. YEAH. AND IF YOU LIVE IN THE TOWN, YOU ALSO LIVE IN THE COUNTY AND VICE VERSA, YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY IN BOTH AND YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE ANY SCHOOLS IN UNDERSTAND. WE, BUT WE DON'T. BUT IF YOU LIVE IN THE TOWN, YOU'RE PAYING TAXES ABSOLUTELY. AND SHOPPING AND EATING AND SO ON. AND THE COUNTY'S GETTING A BENEFIT OF THAT. THAT'S WHAT THAT ANALYSIS SHOWED. YEAH. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT THAT RIGHT AWAY THAT HAS TO BE DEDICATED IS THAT WE, AND WE WROTE THAT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT ON OUR PROPERTY. IT HAS TO BE DEDICATED FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM MM-HMM. . AND SO WE'RE, UH, TALKING TIMING, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US THAT THAT DEDICATION HAS OCCURRED. MAYBE NOT THE MINUTE BEFORE THE REZONING, FIVE MINUTES BEFORE IT WOULD BE BETTER. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT THAT HAS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM AND, AND DELIVER UNDER THIS PROFFER, CUZ WE'RE GIVING UP OUR ACCESS. WE ARE, WITHOUT THIS, WE ARE LANDLOCKED. AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT DEDICATED AND YOU'RE, AND THEN DO WE GO BACK TO SQUARE? AND WE WOULD HAVE TO, TO SUBMIT IN THE ALTERNATIVE WITH, WITH OUR, WE ONLY HAVE THE ACCESS THAT WE HAVE TO, TO SHENANDOAH SHORES. YOU SAW THAT ENTRANCE? MM-HMM. , THAT WAS THE ONE THAT KITTLESON STUDIED AND SO ON. UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO PROCEED THAT WAY. BUT WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THIS WILL GET DEDICATED AND THAT IT'LL BE DEDICATED BEFORE THIS. Y'ALL HAVE TO MAKE THAT TOUGH DECISION ON THE RESIGNING FOR THAT CRITICAL DECISION. I SHOULD SAY. THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS TO, I BELIEVE HE WALKED IN THE ROOM AS, AS YOU ALL WERE TALKING, BUT YES, HE NEEDS TO DO THAT. I COMMENT ON THAT. HE HOLDS THE KEY WAIT AS FAR AS THE DEDICATION, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T DEDICATE IT AND THEN HAVE YOU GUYS VOTE TO NOT APPROVE IT, THEN THAT KIND OF LEAVES ME HIGH AND DRY. UM, I THINK WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH THE MECHANICS OF HOW THAT WOULD WORK. MY INITIAL CONVERSATION WITH THE NBR FOLKS WAS TO THE EXTENT OF, YOU KNOW, MY THINKING WAS THAT NBR WOULD GO IN, GET THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAN, GET A FINAL PLAN, HAVE THIS THING THE ROAD AGREED TO THE, UH, DESIGN AGREED TO, THEN THEY BONDED OVER. AND THE NORMAL COURSE OF THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS WHEN THEY RECORDED THAT FINAL PLAT UNWILLING TO MAKE THE DEDICATION AT THAT TIME. [00:40:01] WE KNOW EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS BEING BUILT NOW. I THINK THAT WE CAN, UH, WE CAN FIND A, UH, A MEDIUM, UM, WHERE MAYBE WE AGREE TO AGREE SO THAT, HEY, IF COUNSEL APPROVES THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE AGREEING TO DEDICATE IN THE FUTURE. WE REALLY, HONESTLY HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO GET INTO THE ACTUAL MECHANICS AND DETAILS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, LEGALLY HOW THAT WOULD WORK. UM, BUT UH, CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO JUST ROLL THE DICE AND DEDICATE IT AND SORT OF SAY WHAT WE THINK THAT COUNSEL FROM. I'LL TELL YOU. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. I I THINK YOU'VE ADDRESSED, UH, ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERNS TO HEAR THIS AND A GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT EVEN MOVING FORWARD, UH, WITH, UH, WITH AN APPROVAL. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, IF IT'LL HELP, WE ARE PREPARED AND INSTRUCTED OUR ENGINEERS, ASSUMING WE HAVE A GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT, WE TOLD THEM TO GO AHEAD AND DRAW UP THE PLAN SO THAT WHEN THIS THING IS VOTED ON IT, IT'S A PACKAGE. IT'S NOT AN AGREEMENT TO AGREE. THOSE, THOSE THINGS MAKE US, MAKE ME VERY NERVOUS FROM AN ENFORCEABILITY PERSPECTIVE. UM, SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO IS, CUZ IT'S BEING DRAWN NOW, WE WERE VERY SPECIFIC, THE PLA THE DEDICATION PLAT AND THEN THE ROAD, UH, PLANS AND EVERYTHING ELSE SO THAT WHEN THIS IS VOTED ON, IT'S NOT, AND MAYBE WE'LL HEAR SOME MORE ABOUT THIS IN A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. DON'T WANT THAT. NO, YOU DON'T. NO. WE, WE ALL WANT THAT DEFINED BENEFIT. WE, WE WANT TO VOTE ON THIS THING, WE WANNA OFFER IT UP FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND WE WANT THIS TO BE VOTED ON, UH, AS A PACKAGE SO THAT WE ALL GET THAT CERTAIN THING. YOU GET WHAT YOU ALL WANT, WHICH IS THE BEGINNING OF THIS ROAD. UM, WE HAVE A STRIP OF LAND UPON WHICH TO INSTALL IT AND DO THE WORK. UM, AND AWAY WE GO IF THESE THINGS DOWN THE ROAD AND AGREEMENTS TO AGREE, UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES THOSE GET STRETCHED OUT AND YOU DON'T GET THAT BENEFIT. WE DON'T GET THAT BENEFIT EITHER. WELL, WE STRETCH IT OUT. UH, IT IT'S, IT'S JUST MORE DOLLARS AND MORE DOLLARS AND WE YEAH. SO THINGS DON'T GET CHEAPER. NO, THEY DON'T. NO, THEY DON'T. WE ALL KNOW. YES THEY DID. AT LEAST SOME OF US KNOW THAT. YEAH. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU. THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. YOU WHOEVER BROUGHT IT UP, BUT THE TIMING IS EVERYTHING IN THIS ONE. OKAY. WORKS. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, THE, I JUST WANNA GIVE OTHER PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY. MS MS I JUST WANNA SAY THIS IS THE EXACT CONVERSATION THAT I TRIED TO HAVE AROUND THIS TABLE REGARDING A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT A FEW WEEKS AGO. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY HOW YOU EFFECTIVELY NEGOTIATE PROFFERS VOLUNTARILY. YOU EXPRESS YOUR NEEDS AND CONCERNS AND THERE'S COMPROMISE. BUT I WILL, LASTLY FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE PEOPLE HERE WATCHING ADDRESS THE FACT THAT I'M ECSTATIC ABOUT THIS ROAD. I'VE SAT ON THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT DON'T GET TOO EXCITED CUZ IT COULD VERY WELL END UP BEING A ROAD TO NOWHERE OTHER THAN THE SUBDIVISION IF THE DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T COME FOR THE REST OF THAT AREA. KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND. I DO WANT TO THANK THEM FOR EXTENDING THAT ROAD. THAT WAS A BIG, BIG CONCERN. I THINK IF YOU'ALL TO STEP UP AND DO THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT JUST ONE THING. IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MINOR, BUT IN THE 2.7 IN YOUR, UM, ON YOUR PROPERS AND, AND INFORMATION, YOU SAID WE CHANGED IT TO APPLICANT MAY INSTALL ONE OR MORE ENTRANCE FEATURES AND YES. AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS LIKE WHAT, UM, WHAT'S GOING TO, WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MAY AND THE SHE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE NOW VISIONING? SHE DID. YOU HAVE TO RIGHT? WE, WE, WE REALLY BELIEVE WE WILL BECAUSE IT IT, THAT'S A BIG DEAL. IT IS A BIG DEAL. BIG DEAL FOR BUILDERS. YEAH. BUT THE, AND RICK CAN SPEAK MORE TO THIS, BUT WE WERE THINKING OF, OF DOING SOMETHING ALONG SHENANDOAH SHORES AND THEN POSSIBLY AS YOU COME IN OFF THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR AS WELL, IT MAY END UP THAT THE DESIGN FOLKS SAY IT'S, IT'S MORE ATTRACTIVE JUST TO DO IT OUT ON SHENANDOAH ASHO. WE'RE, WE'RE JUST NOT THAT FAR ALONG, BUT THAT'S WHY WE SAID MAY, IF IT'S SHALL, IT WOULD BE THERE, IT'LL BE HERE AND IT'LL BE HERE AND WE'D BE COMMITTING TO, IT WAS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THE AREA THAT'S PRESERVED FOR THE, THE FLYOVER ALONG SHANDOR'S ROAD SHORTS [00:45:01] ROAD, WHICH IS KIND OF MY THINKING. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD STILL PUT IN SOME D SEAT IN IT, YOU KNOW, SOME MONUMENTATION ALONG SHORE SHEOR SHORES ROAD. SO IT, YOU KNOW, HELPED HELP FOR MARKETING. THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. I HEARD MAY IT WORKED, I HEAR OR MAY NOT . NO, NO, NO. SAME AS AGREE TO AGREE. WE'VE HAD DEVELOPERS BURN US ON THAT BEFORE. YOU, YOU HAVE A SIDE BET ON THIS, BUT I'M, I'M BETTING NV BELTS BECAUSE IT'S A SENSE OF PLACE AND IT DEFINES YOU'VE COME HOME AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE A NICE ENTRANCE FEATURE. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S MANDATORY. THAT'S GOING UP FRONT. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE ADDRESS MY QUESTION AS WELL AS THANK JASON. I REMEMBER. OKAY. IF, UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS TOPIC, WE WILL MOVE ON, UM, TO NUMBER TWO, RIGHT? I MEAN, UH, YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE . UM, SO WE HAVE A DIRECTION ON NUMBER ONE, WHAT TO DO NEXT, RIGHT? IS THAT THE IDEA? WE DO LIKE TO ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC HEARING IN WHICH MONTH? WELL, DON'T THE COUNSEL PROPERTY OWNERS NEED TO FIGURE OUT THEIR AGREE TO AGREE FIRST. YES. OKAY. YES. WELL, WELL, SO I MEAN, IF Y'ALL SET THE HEARING, WE, WE'VE ALREADY INSTRUCTED THE ENGINEERS TO DRAW THIS. SO BY THE TIME OF YOUR PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE READY. OUR PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE SCHEDULE, OUR PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE MAY 22ND. IS THAT ENOUGH TIME? DO YOU NEED 14 DAYS LIKE YOU DO FOR ANYTHING LEFT OUT? SO, SO I WAS JUST GETTING READY TO SAY NO. WHAT DO YOU THINK? OKAY, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. LET ME, LET ME GET BACK HERE, . NO, IT'S OKAY. WE'RE KIND OF HAVING A MILLION CONVERSATIONS GOING ON. SO WHAT MS. PRESLEY SAID IS THAT TO BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE IT FOR THE MAY 22ND, SHE WOULD'VE TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION BY TOMORROW. OKAY. SO, OKAY. THAT'S SO THAT, SO THAT I CAN'T WORK AS FAST AS THE FOLKS OVER HERE. YES, I UNDERSTAND. , IT'S ME. I, I, I I DON'T KNOW. I AM I ALLOWED TO SAY SOMETHING? NO, GO AHEAD. YEAH, YEAH. I, I ASKED YOU A QUESTION. NO, YOU HAVE HEARINGS, I GUESS ONCE A MONTH. I'M NOT SURE. WE DO. I LIKE TO GO AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THE, THIS MONDAY, TOMORROW IS JUNE YOU ON THE AGENDA? USUALLY OUR WE ARE THE, WE'RE THE FOURTH. I DON'T KNOW. UM, WE WE'RE, THE FOURTH MONDAY IS WHEN WE HAVE OUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING AND WE DO HAVE A HEFTY JUNE MEETING, JUST SO YOU KNOW. OKAY. JULY THEN. YEAH. OKAY. THAT GIVES EVERYBODY ENOUGH TIME TO, TO DO EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO DO TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY. OKAY. WE DON'T WANNA HAVE A HEARING AND THEN HAVE TO CONTINUE. YEAH, JULY WOULD BE GOOD. I JUST WANT TO OKAY. SO I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE INFLUX OF THE LAND DEDICATION OKAY. YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF CONDITIONS IN, INTO THAT. UH, YOU MEAN TO BE ABLE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING IN JULY? WELL, UM, IF WE WERE, IF WE WERE TO HAVE, HAVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING, THERE WAS A MOTION TO VOTE ON IT. UH, I I WOULD WANT TO BE PREPARED FOR ANY KIND OF POTENTIAL CONDITIONS IF IN FACT, UH, SOMETHING HAPPENED AND THE DEDICATION FELL OUT. THE LAND DEDICATION. SO MS. MS MS. KAFI, I'M GONNA ASK OUR STAFF A QUESTION. SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE TO, WOULD THEY HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THAT DONE BEFORE WE HOLD OUR PUBLIC HEARING, HAVE ALL THEIR AGREEMENTS IN PLACE OR THEIR GENTLEMAN AGREEMENT? THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD'VE THAT SUBMITTED TO US, AND THEN I BELIEVE WE WOULD TAKE IT TO WORK SESSION IN JULY TO JUST GIVE YOU THE FINAL, EVERYTHING'S GOOD TO GO. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, AND WE DO HAVE TO TAKE ACTION AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, SO THAT'S THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE EVERYTHING WE NEEDED TO DISCUSS AT OUR JULY WORK SESSION. WE DO HAVE TWO JUNE, WE'LL HAVE TWO WORK SESSIONS IN JUNE, IF THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I GUESS WE COULD ALWAYS PUT IT ON THERE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. IN CASE THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE WE NEEDED TO DO. WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE JUNE, UM, IF YOU COULD ADD US FOR A STATUS ITEM, WE WE'D BE HAPPY TO SHOW UP FOR THAT PURPOSE. YEAH. EVERYBODY LOVES A DEADLINE, AND SO IF YOU GIVE US ONE EVEN IN JUNE, UM, IT'LL, IT'LL FORCE FORWARD YOU YEAH. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF, IF SO, [00:50:01] UM, DO I, DO I, DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE PICKING A DATE, BUT IT'LL, WE EITHER BE THE FIRST OR SECOND WEEK IN JUNE WOULD BE OUR WORK SESSIONS FOR THAT. AND IT, AND AGAIN, AND IT ALWAYS TENDS TO DEPEND ON LIKE HOW MANY OTHER ITEMS WE HAVE. ALTHOUGH, I MEAN, IT, THERE'S ABOUT, THIS WAS ABOUT A HALF HOUR, PROBABLY WOULDN'T TAKE AS LONG AS THE NEXT TIME. RIGHT. IF IT'S POSSIBLE YOU HAD PENCIL A SECOND AND WE'LL JUST COME IN AND PROMISE TO TAKE NO MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES. CAUSE WE'LL TELL YOU WE'RE, WE'RE ON COURT LIKE A MEETING IN JUNE. OKAY. WE, WE'LL PUT YOU DOWN ON THE CALENDAR. IS THAT, THAT'S YOUR REQUEST AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, SO. GOT IT. OKAY. SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. WE'RE DONE AND WE AND STAFF AND COUNCIL HAS A DIRECTION. ALL RIGHT. SO ITEM NUMBER TWO. UM, THESE TWO ITEMS ARE SLATED FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, A ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 1 75 DASH 1 37 FEES, CHARGES AND EXPENSES TO ADD TO THE APPLICATION FEE OF $400 PROCESSING A L B C A APPLICATION. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY LAUREN, UH, IS THE STAFF MEMBER THAT'S GONNA TALK TO US ABOUT THAT. HI, PLEASE. I MEAN, SORRY TIA TO YOUR NAME. THANK YOU. COUNCIL ESTABLISHED THE LCA EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND THIS IS THE APPEALS MECHANISM FOR PROPERTY OWNERS THAT FEEL AGGRIEVED BY THE DETERMINATIONS OF THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE OFFICIALS. SO WHEN WE, OUR DEPARTMENT PROCEEDS A COMPLAINT FOR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND WE GO OUT AND WE DO AN INSPECTION, WE TYPICALLY ISSUE A LETTER STATING THEIR VIOLATIONS. WE STATE EACH SECTION OF CODE. THIS FEE OR THIS UPDATE TO THE CODE ALLOWS US TO CHARGE A FEE AND, UM, START, STARTS THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THEM TO APPEAL ANY DETERMINATION THAT OUR OFFICE MAKES THE CHECK AND BALANCE OF OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE OFFICIAL. UM, BUT BECAUSE WE KEEP OUR SCHEDULE FEES IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, ANYTIME WE CHANGE THE FEES IT NEEDS TO COME FOR OUR COUNCIL. THANK. AND THIS IS IN LINE WITH OTHER LOCALITIES SURROUNDING US, RIGHT? YEP. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK. SO IS THIS WARREN COUNTY FROM THE WARREN COUNTY? THE WARREN COUNTY FEES, I BELIEVE ARE 400 AS WELL. OKAY. AND IT'S A ONE TIME, IT'S A ONE-TIME FEE. AND WE ARE, THE CODE REQUIRES THAT THE MOMENT THE APPEAL IS SUBMITTED TO THE CLERK OF THE L BBC BOARD, WHICH IS STAFF, UM, WE HAVE TO CONVENE A MEETING WITHIN, UH, IT'S 30 DAYS IF THERE'S NOT A REGULARLY SET MEETING, I BELIEVE 45. SO WE HAVE A SET FIRST THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH WOULD BE THE MEETING DATE. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ON COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? NO. ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH THE NUMBER? THE BOARD CAME UP WITH A NUMBER AT THEIR FIRST MEETING. SO JUST CARRIE SAL, WE, WE, UM, TOOK THE CODE AS REFERENCE AND KIND OF CREATED A ROUGH SET OF BYLAWS FOR THEM. AND AT THE FIRST MEETING THEY WORKED THROUGH WHETHER OR NOT THEY LIKED THIS BYLAWS, AND THEN GEORGE HELPED GONNA CRAFT SOME LANGUAGE TOO. AND, UM, THEN WE HAD TRAINING FROM THE STATE. THEY CAME IN AND KIND OF EXPLAINED THEIR ROLES AND DUTIES AND STAFF'S ROLES. THE FEE IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. THEY, THEY JUST, THEY SAID LINE WITH THE OTHER LOCALITIES. IS THAT, IS THAT WHERE IT CAME? WELL, US TOO. WE HAVE LIKE A QUITE A FEW BS THAT ARE LIKE 400 BUCKS. OUR SPECIAL USE PERMITS TEND TO BE 400. AND THEN OUR REZONING, OR SORRY, OUR BZA, SO OUR OTHER APPEALS BOARD IS 400. AND THOSE FEES TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THE TIME AND EFFORTS OF STAFF. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC, YES. IT WAS BENEFIT. WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE SOME THINGS THAT, THAT REQUIRES STAFF TIME SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT, AND YOU PAY EACH MEMBER OF THE BOARD, I BELIEVE IT'S $50 A MEETING, SO THIS FEE COVERS THAT SO THAT WHEN A MEETING IS CONVENED, WE'RE NOT TAKING A LOSS BECAUSE THEY ONLY MEET IF THERE'S AN APPEAL. YEP. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO IS COUNSEL ALL GOOD WITH PUTTING THIS ON THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR MAY 22ND? NO. YEP. YEP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT UP, UM, AS THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 98 TO AMEND SECTION 98 DASH 2, 98 DASH THREE AND 98, 61, PEDDLERS AND ITINERATE MERCHANTS TO INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION ENACTED BY THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REGARDING MAR MOBILE FOOD UNIT. I THINK YOU GUYS REMEMBER WE THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING THIS ON OUR EARLIER AGENDA AND THEN WE JUST WEREN'T READY. SO, MR. WILSON, CAN YOU SHARE THE COUNSEL? SURE. UH, SO WHAT WE'RE, UM, REQUESTING TO DO IS HAVE, UH, THE TOWN CODE MIMIC, UH, STATE CODE, BASICALLY STATE, THE STATE CODE WAS ENACTED YEAR, UH, NOT TOO LONG AGO. UH, THAT ALLOWS MOBILE FOOD TRUCKS, [00:55:01] UH, TO PAY THE BUSINESS LICENSE TAX. SO THIS IS PREVENTIONAL OCCUPATIONAL LICENSING IN THEIR HOME JURISDICTION, AND THEN THEY CAN GO TO OTHER LOCALITIES FOR A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS AND BE EXEMPT FROM LICENSING. UH, THIS IS A, UH, FROM, FROM THAT LOCALITY THAT THEY'RE GOING TOWARD TOO. UM, SO IN ESSENCE IT'S JUST UPDATING THE TOWN CODE AND THEN STATE CODE. UM, SO WHAT, UM, WELL, SALES AND USE GOES TO STATE, RIGHT? SO LIKE WHAT IF, IF I HAVE A FOOD TRUCK AND I GET LICENSED HERE, AND THEN I GO OVER TO WOODSTOCK OR GO TO STRAUSBERG OR WHATEVER, HOW ARE WOODSTOCK AND STRASBURG? I'M NOT GONNA GET ANY CUT OF ANY OF MY PROFITS BECAUSE RIGHT. MY SALES STUFF GOES TO THE STATE. MY LICENSE FEE WENT TO FRONT ROYAL. CORRECT. THE, UH, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD GO TO, UH, JURISDICTION WOULD BE, UH, MEALS TAX, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG WELL SEE, THEY WOULD HAVE A MEALS TAX THAT THEY PAID. OKAY. IT'S THAT JURISDICTION HAS SOME, SOME COUNTIES NOW DON'T HAVE ONE. CORRECT. OKAY. SO THE MEALS TAX WOULD STILL BE, UH, IN EFFECT, BUT THE, UH, THE LICENSING PORTION WOULDN'T NOT BE UNTIL THAT TWO YEARS IS UP AND THEN THEY CAN GET LICENSED WHEREVER THEY CAN GO BACK. UH, THEN IT WOULD BE UP TO THESE JURISDICTION, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER THE LICENSE DEEMS EFFECTIVE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS SEEMS STRAIGHTFORWARD TO ME AND IT JUST, IT BRINGS US INLAND STATE CASE. EXACTLY. THAT'S ALWAYS NICE. IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING. THAT'S ALWAYS NICE. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO WE'RE GONNA ADD THIS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL ON MAY 22ND. UH, IS THERE ENOUGH TIME TO ADVERTISE TO YOU? YES. OKAY. WE'LL ONLY BE BECAUSE BY TOMORROW. RIGHT? BY TOMORROW, . SO DO YOU HAVE ANY, I'M GONNA ASK YOU THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY, YOU GOT EVERYTHING YOU HAPPY BY TOMORROW? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE GONNA BE BUSY TOMORROW, . UM, I'M JUST GONNA DO IT RIGHT AFTER C . SO THE NEXT ITEM IS ALSO BJ. I WONDERED. I WAS LIKE, IF YOU WEREN'T MOVING, I WAS LIKE, UM, SO THAT'S GOOD. SO HELLO AT YOU'RE DONE, BUT YOU'RE NOT FY 20 22, 20 23. RIGHT OFF FOR BAD DEBT. AND I, I'M, I, THIS IS, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS COUNCIL, I HOPE THEY LOOKED THROUGH IT. THIS IS THE, THIS COUNCIL? YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL, WE HAVEN'T, I DON'T THINK WE'VE WRITTEN OFF THAT THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME THIS QUARTER. YES. NO, WE'RE NOT DOING QUARTER. I EXPERIENCED THIS. I WAS LIKE, WHAT? WE'RE DOING IT ANNUALLY NOW. OH, WE'RE DOING IT ANNUALLY. OKAY. ALL, HOW CAN, HOW DO THEY GET UP TO THOUSAND, $2,000 BUSINESSES? AND WE HAVE TO CUT THEIR POWER OFF. COULD BE A BUSINESS, IT COULD BE A, IT COULD BE A MEDICAL EXEMPTION, OR WE HAVE A MEDICAL EXEMPTION. WE FILED THE CC'S, UH, CODE ON THAT. SO IF THEY PROVIDE US WITH A, A MEDICAL LETTER, UM, THEN IN ESSENCE THEY GET AN ADDITIONAL 90 DAYS TO PAY. OH, OKAY. SO IT COULD BE THAT, IT COULD BE A WATER LEAK. IF THERE WAS A HUGE WATER LEAK AND THEN SOMEBODY JUST UP AND LEFT US. UM, IT COULD BE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS. RIGHT. UM, UH, BUT, UH, THAT'S, UH, A LOT OF THE CASES, THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE, UH, FOR THOSE LARGE BALANCES ARE, UH, MS. MORRISON SAID, UH, A, A BUSINESS, I'LL TELL YOU, I HAVE, UH, AND I DEAL WITH THIS ALMOST EVERY DAY WITH SOME OF MY PRICES WORK THAT I DO WITH MY FOUNDATION. BUT I WILL HAVE, I WILL HAVE FAMILIES THAT WILL RUN UP A $2,000 WATER BILL BEFORE THEY, UH, BEFORE THEY WILL ATTEMPT TO DISCONNECT. SO IT DOES AMAZE ME HOW LARGE SOME OF THESE UTILITY BILLS CAN GET FOR ACTION IS TAKEN. AND HERE, UH, TO TAKE AND WRITE IT OFF IS, UH, UH, IN MY WORLD, THAT WOULD BE A BLESSING BECAUSE IT WOULD SAVE A HOMEOWNER IN EACH ONE OF THESE HAS DIF DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES. UM, UH, BUT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, YES, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, 47,000 UH, DOLLARS HERE, BUT ONE, THE 50 MILLION HAVE OUR BUDGET THAT'S LESS THAN 1%. YEAH. THAT IS A HUGE, HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT. YEAH. MM-HMM. , UH, FOR US, I MEAN, WE'RE COLLECTING, UH, 10, 12,000 BILLS A MONTH. UM, AND FOR THIS TO BE THE COURSE, UH, OVER, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, FIVE YEARS, WE'VE EXHAUSTED, UH, EVERY AVENUE THAT WE COULD, UH, POSSIBLY HAVE FOR COLLECTIONS. WE HAVE AN EXTENSIVE, UH, COLLECTION. UH, SO YES, IT SEEMS LIKE A LARGER NUMBER AND THERE ARE SOME LARGE AMOUNTS THERE, BUT, UM, RIGHT. IN THE GRAND SCHEME, IT'S, IT'S VERY GOOD. AND I'M VERY PROUD OF IT. YEAH. I WOULD BE TOO, THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS CAME FOR ME, I, I WAS ASKED SOME OF THE EXACT SAME QUESTIONS YOU ALL DID, AND I WAS LIKE, BUT, UM, AND EXPECT, LIKE WHAT COUNCILMAN ROGERS SAID, LIKE, YOU THINK, WELL, HOW IN THE WORLD DID HE GET THAT HIGH? BUT I KNOW WHEN BJ EXPLAINED THAT IF, IF THERE IS, IS THERE, IF THERE'S A RESIDENT INSIDE THAT THERE'S, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, AN OXYGEN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THAT REQUIRES THAT YOU CAN'T CUT THAT OFTEN AND THAT, AND YOU WOULDN'T WANT [01:00:01] TO, I MEAN, YEAH, WE'RE COMING THROUGH A TIME ALSO WITH, WITH COVID THAT A LOT OF THIS STUFF WAS WAIVED AND IT'S BEEN WAIVED FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. RIGHT. UH, SO YOU'RE GETTING INTO HOUSEHOLDS THAT HAVE RUN A SIGNIFICANT UTILITY, UH, AND OTHERS. BUT BJ THIS IS ABOUT RIGHT THOUGH, ISN'T IT? I MEAN, YES, THIS IS RIGHT FOR US. UH, UM, AND THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS DISCONNECT THEM WITH SERVICES. WE'LL BEND OVER BACKWARDS, UH, WORKING WITH OUR CITIZENS, WORKING WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS . SO DELAY, BECAUSE I MEAN, SOME OF THESE ARE 10 AND 11, YOU KNOW, SO OUR WRITE OFF POLICY IS THE LAST, UM, SO IF WE HAD PAYMENTS ON THIS UP UNTIL, UH, 2017 OR 16, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATES. UM, 17, YEAH. PAYMENTS MADE UP ON IT, THAT THAT'S WHEN THE LAST CORRESPONDENCE STOPPED. SO WE'VE MAY HAVE BEEN RECEIVING DEBT, SET OFF PAYMENTS. WE'LL COLLECT MONEY FROM VIRGINIA LOTTERY, WE'LL COLLECT MONEY FROM, UM, TAX RETURNS. SO IF THAT WAS THE LAST PAYMENT, THAT WAS WHEN WE LOOK AT IT FOR THE LAST, UH, UH, THE LAST TRANSACTION. SO, AND WE'LL, WE'LL TRY OUR BEST TO COLLECT ON THESE. VANESSA, YOU SAID THEY REALLY DO TRY EVERY AVENUE, AND I THINK EARLY ON MY TIME ON COUNCIL, LIKE IT USED TO BE MORE THAN THIS, LIKE HOW MUCH YOU HAD TO WRITE OFF, AND BJ AND THEM REALLY, LIKE, HAVE, HAVE MADE IT, I HAVE THE HISTORY OF IT, AND IT'S GONE DOWN SIGNIFICANT. YEAH. HAVE YOU GOT THE HISTORY HISTOGRAM ON THE, UH, ON THE HIGH FLYERS, IF YOU WILL, OF SO THAT IN THE FUTURE? OH, YEAH. . OKAY. YEAH. WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE NAILED THAT DOWN SO YOU'LL KNOW. YES, YES. EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ON THE BOOKS, WE STILL HAVE THE RECORD. . OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? SO THAT WILL BE ON, UM, THAT'LL BE ON THE MAY 22ND AGENDA AS WELL. RIGHT? YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU, BJ. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BJ, YOU'RE DONE. UM, ALL RIGHT. SO NUMBER FOUR IS THE DISCUSSION ON THE FUTURE DIRECTION OF THE FRONT ROW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. UM, AND I AM GONNA ASK SOME QUESTIONS FOR, UM, I KNOW COUNSEL HAS BACKGROUND INFORMATION IN OUR AGENDA PACKET, BUT THIS IS MORE FOR, JUST FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T SEE THE AGENDA PACKET ON THE, ON THE CAMERA. SO, UM, MR. SONNET, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO, TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS FOR US THAT, THAT YOU PROBABLY HELPED PUT TOGETHER IN THE PACKET, BUT SO HOW WAS FRONT ROW GIVEN THE AUTHORITY TO BE ABLE TO CREATE, UM, THE FRIDA? UM, THAT WAS PURSUANT TO WHAT I'LL JUST DESCRIBE SPECIAL LEGISLATION. UM, I DON'T KNOW THE, THE BACKGROUND OF IT. UM, UH, DOUG NAPIER WAS A TOWN ATTORNEY AT THE TIME, BUT, UM, UH, THE TOWN'S DELEGATION WAS APPROACHED IN SOME MANNER, UH, TO PROPOSE LEGISLATION TO ALLOW THE TOWN TO CREATE ITS OWN E D A WHEN, UM, STATE LAW OTHERWISE PROHIBITED IT. UM, UH, IF TOWNS LOCATED WITHIN COUNTIES THAT HAVE AN E D WERE OTHERWISE NOT PERMITTED TO CREATE THEIR OWN. SO THE SPECIAL LEGISLATION WAS PASSED, UM, AND THAT IS IN THE MATERIALS, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS THE FORMER DELEGATE, CHRIS COLLINS, WHEN I RESEARCHED A LITTLE BIT, I, I BELIEVE HE'S NO LONGER A DELEGATE, BUT THAT'S, HE INTRODUCED IT IN JANUARY OF 2020. THAT'S THAT LEGISLATIVE SESSION? CORRECT. AND THEN, UM, IT TOOK COUNSEL SOME TIME TO ACT ON THAT. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A YEAR OR MARCH 15TH, 2021, I BELIEVE. WHO WAS THAT? SO A LITTLE OVER A YEAR TO ACT ON THE ENABLING LEGISLATION. THE ENABLING STATUTE. RIGHT. SO, MY SECOND, WHO, UH, WHO WAS TOWN MANAGER AT THAT TIME, UM, I THINK IT WAS MATT TRE, NOT MARCH OF 2021, MARCH 15TH, WHEN IT WAS, UM, ESTABLISHED, WAS, UM, STEVE HICKS, T STEVEN HICKS. OH, OKAY. OKAY. I, I MISUNDERSTOOD. THAT'S OKAY. NO, THAT'S OKAY. AS FAR AS THE LEGISLATION, YEAH, IT PROBABLY WAS MATTRICK EITHER IN YEAH, IN JAN IN, IN EARLY JANUARY, 2020 AT THAT TIME. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. YEAH. OKAY. SO WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DISSOLVE FRIDA? UM, THAT WOULD BE FRIA. OKAY. AND THAT IS SPELLED OUT IN, UH, STATE IN VIRGINIA, CODE SECTION 15.2 49 14, DISU DISILLUSION OF AUTHORITY. UM, [01:05:02] OKAY. AND I, I'LL JUST READ PART OF IT. WHENEVER THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE AUTHORITY BY RESOLUTION DETERMINES THAT THE PURPOSES FOR WHICH THE AUTHORITY WAS FORMED HAVE BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIED WITH, AND ALL BONDS THEREFORE, UH, THEREFORE ISSUED, AND ALL OBLIGATIONS THEREFORE INCURRED BY THE AUTHORITY HAVE BEEN FULLY PAID, THEN THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE AUTHORITY SHALL THERE UPON EXECUTE AND FILE FOR THE RECORD WITH THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE LOCALITY, WHICH CREATED THE AUTHORITY, A RESOLUTION DECLARING SUCH FACTS, IF THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE LOCALITY, WHICH CREATED THE AUTHORITIES OF THE OPINION THAT THE FACTS STATED IN THE AUTHOR'S RESOLUTION ARE TRUE, AND THAT THE AUTHORITY SHOULD BE DISSOLVED, IT, IT, IT SHALL SO RESOLVE. OKAY. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, PLEASE? UM, IT, UH, IT HAS TO START WITH FRIDA. THE ACTION TO DISSOLVE HAS TO START FROM, MUST BEGIN WITH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TAKING ACTION. OKAY. UM, I'LL JUST ADD SIMPLY THAT FRIDA IS A SEPARATE POLITICAL, UH, ENTITY UNDER, UH, SIMILAR TO THE NON NON-PROFIT FOR TOURISM, UM, SIMILAR TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, AND THIS MIGHT BE PART, THIS MIGHT GIVE US THE DATE, BUT IS FRIDA IN THE TOWN CODE? FRIDA IS IN THE TOWN CODE. THE TOWN COUNCIL HAD TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE, RIGHT. TO, TO CREATE, UH, FREEDOM. OKAY. TO CHANGE THE TOWN CODE. WHAT WOULD THAT REQUIRE? ACTION BY COUNSEL PURSUANT TO A PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. UH, WHAT IS THE COUNCIL'S ROLE WITH REGARDS TO FREEDOM? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT PART DO WE PLAY IN ANY OF THAT? UM, WELL, SOME OF THAT IS TO BE DETERMINED, BUT TO, UH, TO, TO AT LEAST PROVIDE SOME SUPPORT, UH, SO THAT FRIDA CAN FUNCTION. WE ALSO INTERVIEW AND APPOINT MEMBERS. TRUE. YES. YEAH. CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION ON THAT? I WAS CONFUSED BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT, THAT TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE TOWN EMPLOYEES OR COUNTY EMPLOYEES, BUT THEN WE, LIKE, WE HAD AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AS THE TOWN MANAGER. SO I WAS CONFUSED AS TO WHAT THAT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR LIKE, IS THAT WHAT THAT, WHAT THE BOUNDARIES ARE OF THAT POSITION? UM, I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN OF THE BOARD. BOARD, YEAH. THE BOARD CAN'T BE THE BOARD HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S EMPLOYED BY THE TOWN. JUST LIKE, LIKE, LIKE WHEN WE APPOINT SOMEBODY TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR BOARD RESIGNING APPEALS, THEY CAN'T BE A TOWN EMPLOYEE OR YEAH, YEAH. OR CAMP. OH, OKAY. BUT THE, BUT THE DIRECTOR COULD BE A PAID OR UNPAID, APPARENTLY. APPARENTLY IS, I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD TAKE THE . OKAY. UM, MR. SONIC, UH, WHO WRITES THE BYLAWS FOR FRIDA? UM, UM, FRIDA WRITES THEM, UH, BUT COUNSEL MUST THEN APPROVE, UH, WHAT FRIDA APPROVES. OKAY. SO CO COUNCIL HAS ULTIMATE APPROVAL OVER THE BYLAWS. RIGHT. AND THEN LAST QUESTION ON THAT TOPIC THAT, THAT I WAS GONNA ASK FOR, FOR EVERYBODY'S KNOWLEDGE, IS LEGALLY, DOES FRIEDA NEED PERMISSION FROM THE TOWN COUNCIL TO HOLD A MEETING? NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I MEAN, YOU CAN ASK GEORGE QUESTIONS OR ANYONE ELSE, OR JUST COMMENTS. ? NO. UH, I'M NOT JUST, I'M NOT, I GUESS YOU GO NO, NO, YOU, YOU GO AHEAD FIRST. WELL, I'M NOT SURE, I'M STILL SWORN. I'M NOT SURE WHAT COUNSEL IS LOOKING FOR HERE. IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR OUR OPINIONS, IF YOU'RE LOOKING ABOUT VALIDATION. OH, NO. ANY, ANYTHING. THIS IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. YEAH, I, I, UH, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, I THINK FRITA, UH, WAS ESTABLISHED IN A, IN A TIME PERIOD THAT, UH, IS A SERIOUS CONCERN TO ME IN TERMS OF THE INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED. UH, I THINK DECISIONS WERE MADE THAT I WOULD QUESTION TODAY. I THINK FRIEDA NEEDS TO BE TAKEN. WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT FRIDA, UH, AS AN ENTITY. MY, MY FEEDBACK FROM MY COMMUNITY, WHICH IS EXTENSIVE ON THIS SUBJECT, ON THIS VERY SUBJECT, IS THAT THE BUSINESS LEADERS THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO, AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTS, [01:10:01] UH, FEEL LIKE WE'RE WASTING OUR TIME WITH FRIDA. I THINK WE NEED TO REESTABLISH, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, UH, TO KIND OF ECHO YOUR WORDS, MAYOR, UM, THAT WE NEED TO, UH, WE NEED TO REESTABLISH THOSE RELATIONSHIPS, WHICH I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO SINCE DAY ONE. UH, SO MY OPINION IS WE DO AWAY WITH FREEDOM. I THINK IT'S A, UH, IT'S A TOOL THAT WAS MISUSED AT THE TIME, AND I THINK IT'S A DISTRACTION FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WELL, UH, I, I RAN ON REDUNDANCY AND, UH, I, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH RE REDUNDANCY OF, UH, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HAVING A BOARD. IT'S ABOUT FINANCING THE BOARD OF WHICH, UH, WE AS COUNTY CITIZENS ARE CURRENTLY FINANCING THE, UH, TOWN COUNTY, E D A, UH, AND, UH, SO MY, MY, MY WHOLE, MY WHOLE VISION IS THAT, THAT WE, WE HAVE ONE OPERATION NOW, IF ONE AUTHORITY, IF, I MEAN, IF WE WERE A CITY, IT MAKES SOME SENSE. WE ARE NOT A CITY, UH, UH, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. UM, AND, UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE, THE IDEA OF, UM, WALKING ALONE. I HAVEN'T, UH, STOOD UP AT OTHER O OPPORTUNITIES WITH FORMER COUNSELS, UM, WHEN, UH, MR. TERICK WAS THE INTERIM. UH, AND I VOICED MY OPINION THEN. AND, UH, I REALLY HAVEN'T CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT IT. IT, IT'S, UH, UH, DO WE HAVE, DO WE, DO WE HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS? MAYBE, BUT NOT SO MUCH. IT'S ALL ABOUT, UM, UH, BRINGING IN BUSINESS. UM, AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE, I DON'T HAVE A FEAR OF, OF THE OTHER BOARD RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE SITTING AT THIS TABLE HAS ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. UH, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE COULD GO FURTHER IF WE WERE, IF WE FOUND A WAY TO WORK TOGETHER. NOW, I'M NOT, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A STAY ON THIS, UH, UNTIL, UH, UH, TO, TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO SEE HOW THINGS EV EVOLVE. I KNOW THERE'S A, A SENSE OF URGENCY HERE, OR ELSE WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT IT. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW. SO, UM, UH, JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE, MEGAN. OKAY. OKAY. CAN I ASK BRUCE A QUESTION? SURE. OKAY. SO, BRUCE, LET ME ASK YOU. YEAH, UHHUH, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT, UM, I HAVE COMMENTS LATER, BUT, UM, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY PIECE OF IT MM-HMM. , SO IN YOUR MIND, ARE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THOSE ACTIVITIES, ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT HOW BIG WE ARE? BECAUSE TECHNICALLY WE COULD BE A CITY WE JUST ARE. WE CAN, IT'S IN A CHARTER. WE COULD BECOME THE CITIZEN AND WE COULD WORK WITH THE, WITH THE COUNTY TO, TO, UH, USE OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM. WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO START ALL OVER. YEP. OKAY. SO WE COULD BE, BECOME A SIT. THAT'S JUST, IT'S UP TO, OH, WELL, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. I WAS JUST WONDERING THOUGH, WHAT YOU WERE THINKING WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT BEING A CITY OR NOT A CITY IN TERMS OF, OF HAVING THE TWO, HAVING MORE, UM, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITIES OR, OR WHATEVER, THE SECOND LARGEST TOWN, STATE OF VIRGINIA. YEAH. TO BE IN A CITY. MM-HMM. . YEAH. OUR BOND RATING IS WAY TOO MUCH. OUR BOND, OUR CREDIT RATING IS EX, I BELIEVE IS EXCELLENT. MM-HMM. , I, I, I, I THINK WE CAN TAKE THE BOND IF WE NEEDED ONE. UM, AS IS THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY HAS A, I BELIEVE, A DOUBLE A PLUS, UH, CREDIT RATING. SO THEY'RE PAYING RIGHT NOW THAT THEY'RE, UH, [01:15:01] THEY'RE MAKING PAYMENTS. SO, UH, UH, SO, UH, ANYWAY, UH, I JUST BELIEVE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE, WE'RE 15,000 PLUS STRONG IN THE COUNT IN THE TOWN, MAYBE 25 IN THE COUNTY. WE'RE A COMMUNITY OF 40,000. WE'RE SMALL. WE'RE NOT LIKE WINCHESTER, FREDERICK COUNTY. THEY HAVE CLOSE TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE IN BETWEEN THE TWO JURISDICTIONS. SO, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, THE CITY HAS MORE LAND. BUT, UM, I, YEAH. SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS FROM THE BIGGER PICTURE. WE'RE ALREADY PAYING A GUY, UH, IN THE TOWN COUNTY. UH, WE'RE PAYING FOR HIM TO DO THE E D A DIRECTOR JOB. IF WE WANT ONE HERE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR HIM. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUDGET FOR HIM. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN GET AWAY FROM IT WITHOUT SPENDING CLOSE TO, TO GET SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND CLOSE TO A HUNDRED GRAND. OKAY. AND THEN YOU GOTTA PAY HIM BENEFITS. OKAY. SO, BUT WE DON'T, THEY'RE SEPARATE ENTITY. I'M SORRY. THEY'RE SEPARATE ENTITY THOUGH. SO, RIGHT. THE IDEA BEHIND THE COUNCIL THAT CREATED AND BUDGETED THE MONEY THAT IS IN THE BUDGET THAT COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED, HAS FUNDS FOR FRIDA AND THE FUNDS. AND THE PURPOSE FOR THAT, WHICH I'LL REMIND THE PUBLIC IN THIS COUNCIL, PREDATES EVERY PERSON ON THIS COUNCIL'S TIME, EVEN MINE, UM, WAS FOR THEM TO USE THOSE FUNDS TO START ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. MM-HMM. AND, UM, TO BECOME SELF-SUSTAINING AND HIRE THEIR OWN ECONOMIC DIRECTOR. IF THEY, IF THEY WANTED TO DO THAT, OR IF THEY WANTED TO WORK AS A BOARD, THEY HAVE THAT ABILITY. AND JUST LIKE THE TOURISM NONPROFIT, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET GRANTS TO RECEIVE LOANS. UM, EVEN IF WE STOP FUNDING THEM, THEY CAN GO OUT AND, I MEAN, WE SAW IT WITH THE FORMER ED. THERE WERE LOTS OF GRANTS AND LOANS THAT WERE TAKEN OUT THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT. SO, UM, BUT THE IDEA BEHIND IT WAS WHEN WE BUDGETED AND FUNDED IT, THAT THEY WOULD BECOME SELF-SUSTAINING. I SAY WE AS IN THE TOWN, NOT ME. WELL SEE. YOU SAID YOU HAD OTHER COMMENTS? NO, I'M, I'M NOT FOR THE MOMENT. NO, NOT FOR THE MOMENT. NO, NO, JOSH. GOOD. LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME. YEAH, I DID THE SAME THING LAST TIME. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, I REALLY DO. I , SORRY. THAT SURPRISED ME. WHEN I FIRST CAME ON, I WAS, HONESTLY, I WAS AGAINST THE REDUNDANCY. UM, BUT WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION THAT WE HAVE AND THE CURRENT SITUATION, THAT IS IT FUNNY? SURE. WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME LIKE THAT FOR WAYNE? OKAY. LET'S, I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU. I'M TALKING TO THE MAYOR. YEAH. I, I JUST WANT YOU TO GO ON, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND USE THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE AND LET THEM SEE WHAT THEY COULD DO FOR A YEAR. OKAY. RIGHT. YES. MY THOUGHT, I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT COUNSEL GAVE IN THE LAST MEETING, THREE OF US AT LEAST, WHICH WASN'T WAYNE. SO I'M SURPRISED. SO THAT WAS MY, THAT WAS MY SAYING LAST TIME TOO. OKAY. WE'VE ALREADY GOT, AND EVEN SAID IT BY EMAIL, YOU KNOW, UH, LET'S GIVE IT AT LEAST A TRY. AND IF, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, WE LOOK AT EVERY BUDGET EVERY YEAR. SO, SO MY, MY COMMENT IS THE REDUNDANCY ISSUE. YOU, I MEAN, I, I AGREE THAT YOU'D HAVE TO, IF YOU HAD A DIRECTOR, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, QUITE A LOT OF MONEY. SO HEARING THAT, IT'S GONNA BE, IT WOULD, THE IDEA BEHIND IT, BEFORE I EVEN CAME ON COUNCIL, IT WAS CREATED. THAT WAS THE IDEA BEHIND IT. AND WHO KNOWS, JUST LIKE THE TOURISM, WHO KNOWS WHAT IT WILL PRODUCE, WHAT IT WON'T. UM, I WILL SAY THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE APPOINTED PRIOR TO MY TIME ON COUNCIL ARE VERY RESPECTED, SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMEN WHO HAVE HIGH REPUTATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY FROM THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE HEARD FROM. UM, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR, MUCH LIKE TOURISM, THAT THEY WERE APPOINTED WHOEVER APPOINTED THEM, AND THEY WERE ALL HOSTAGE. MM-HMM. . SO I MAINTAINED MY POSITION, WHICH I RAN ON AS WELL, THAT, UM, I THINK THE TOWN HAS NOT SEEN ANY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR GROWTH IN MY LIFETIME, THREE DECADES. UM, I KNOW THAT WE, YOU WEREN'T A PART OF IT, BUT THIS COUNCIL, THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL, WELL SPLIT MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL, UM, HIRED SOME OF THE TOWN STAFF THAT WE HAVE TODAY. AND THEY'RE EXTREMELY QUALIFIED. UM, AND I TRUST THEIR JUDGMENT AND I TRUST THEIR LEADERSHIP AND THEIR DIRECTION. AND I THINK THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, WE'LL SERVE THE TOWN WELL. UM, AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT OUR TOWN MANAGER WAS [01:20:01] A PART OF THE FORMER ED AS WELL. SO HE HAS VERY INTRICATE KNOWLEDGE ON HOW THIS WORKS. AND I PERSONALLY, UM, TRUST THE STAFF AND THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE. AND I THINK THOSE BOARD MEMBERS, IF IT'S NOT WORKING AND THEY'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL, WOULD WANNA DISSOLVE THE BOARD AS WELL, BECAUSE WHY WOULD THEY WANNA BE ON A SINKING SHIP? THEY'VE NEVER BEEN RELEASED. THEY'VE BEEN HELD HOSTAGE, MUCH LIKE MR. TURN, MYER WAS ON THE TOURISM COMMITTEE. THEY WERE SELECTED AND THEN NEVER ALLOWED. SO, ANY THOUGHTS? NO, I, NO, I, I DON'T SEE IT AS LONG AS WE DO IT. UM, AS WE SAID, WE ALREADY HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO PAY STIPENDS. I THINK IT'S AN EXPLORATORY TIME. SO I'M IN SUPPORTIVE, UM, KEEPING THEM FOR A WHILE AND SEEING WHAT THEY CAN DO UNTIL, AT LEAST, UNTIL THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. AND I WILL ADD THAT THE FRONT ROYAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND THE WARREN COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY WAS WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE COUNTY AT ONE POINT. UM, WE DID ACTUALLY HAVE A JOINT MEETING WHERE IT WAS THE TOWN COUNCIL, THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE WARREN COUNTY E D A, AND THE TOWN E D. AND IT WAS A VERY POSITIVE MEETING. MM-HMM. . UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS EXCHANGED IDEAS, UM, AND POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND IT CAME TO A SCREECHING HALT WHEN UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS RESIGNED AND QUIT, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A FUNCTIONING BODY OF GOVERNMENT MM-HMM. . UM, AND SO I, YOU KNOW, DO NOT NECESSARILY KNOW IF I'M OF THE MINDSET THAT GOVERNMENT'S JOB IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THAT LIKE ALL THINGS THAT GOVERNMENT CAN SUPPORT THINGS, UM, AND ALLOW THEM TO OPERATE INDEPENDENTLY, IT IS A RISK. AND WE'VE BEEN BURNED BEFORE AND WE STILL AREN'T OVER THAT, UNFORTUNATELY. UM, BUT ALSO, IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE AND YOU HAVEN'T MET THE PEOPLE ON FRIDA THAT WERE APPOINTED, THAT I'VE SPOKEN OF, UM, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE SOME SUCCESSFUL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FORMERLY 20 YEARS AGO, THE CORRIDOR, THEY WERE A PART OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY THAT BROUGHT TARGET AND ALL OF THAT OUT THERE. SO THEY SAT ON THAT E EVA A LONG, LONG TIME AGO THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS. SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE IN THAT REGARD AS WELL. I FEEL LIKE AT THIS POINT IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE. WE'VE PAID TO TRAIN THEM. WE'VE, YOU KNOW, THE, I I WASN'T A PART OF IT. AGAIN, I'LL ADD THAT TO THE PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT I WAS PART OF THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA CALL IT. APPARENTLY IT'S, THE WORD IS CORRUPT. BUT, UM, E D NONETHELESS, I THINK WE HAVE VERY CAPABLE, WILLING ADULTS, AND I CAN ADD MORE TO THAT, BUT I'VE DONE SO PUBLICLY MANY TIMES. I'LL JUST SAY THAT I'LL, UH, WHATEVER COUNSEL DECIDES I I, I WILL SUPPORT. OKAY. WHATEVER. I MEAN, I'M, I'M HERE TO, UH, TO MAKE THINGS WORK. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. WE ALL CAN HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND THAT'S FINE. UH, UH, SO WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. OKAY. OKAY. SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT PUT IT OFF, I DIDN'T RE YOU KNOW, I RESPECT THEIR OPINIONS, BUT I DIDN'T SEE EYE TO EYE WITH THEM EITHER. BRUCE, SO WHAT'S ROGERS? NO, I DISAGREE WITH, WITH THE FIVE. UH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO WORK TOGETHER WITH OUR COUNTY. AND I'M NOT QUESTIONING ANY OF THE, UH, THE BACKGROUND OR EXPERIENCE OF, OF THE BOARD. UH, I'M A BUSINESS MEMBER. THE CREATION OF IT, YOU SAID, I'M SORRY, THE CREATION OF IT WAS WHAT YOU SAID? ABSOLUTELY. AND THE PEOPLE THAT CREATED IT AND THAT WHOLE TIME PERIOD MM-HMM. , UM, I THINK IT'S LEFT A TERRIBLE TASTE IN THIS COMMUNITY'S MOUTH COUNCIL OR STAFF, JUST SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. I THINK THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR ESTABLISHING THE COUNCIL. YEAH. WELL, I, AND IT'S BEEN CONSISTENT. I WAS A PART OF THAT COUNCIL AND I, AND, AND WELL, IT'S BEEN CONSISTENT AND IT'S OKAY. IT'S OKAY. YEAH. IF YOU THINK IT WAS A POOR IDEA. AND I, AND I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S ALREADY A CONSENSUS, BUT I, I, I DID, I DID JUST WANNA SAY THAT. UM, CUZ I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO DEFEND THAT SINCE I WAS PART OF THAT. UM, AND AT THE BEGINNING, UM, THERE I HAD MY CONCERNS OF REDUNDANCY AS WELL. UM, BUT THEN AS TIME MOVED ON AND SOME OF THE SITUATIONS THAT, UM, THAT THE, UH, THE, UH, WARREN COUNTY E D A WAS IN, UM, I SUPPORTED THE FACT THAT WE NEEDED AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ENGINE IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND, AND JUST TO, TO MENTION THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED IN, UH, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ACTUALLY IN ALLOWED FOR [01:25:01] WARREN COUNTY TO ACTUALLY DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WITH, UH, THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY THAT THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL COULD HAVE CREATED. AND THEY HAVE UNTIL LIKE JULY 1ST, 2025. AND I THINK THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS SO THAT, CUZ AT THAT TIME, AT THE BEGINNING OF 2020, THERE WAS A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN, WHERE WAS THIS GONNA GO. AND SO, UM, RATHER THAN NOT HAVE ANY, UH, ANYTHING THAT, THAT'S WHERE THIS CAME FROM. UM, SO I, I THINK THAT WAS THE, THE REASONING AND, AND LIKE I SAID, THE FACT THAT THE LEGISLATORS IN IN VIRGINIA, UM, THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY GAVE US THE ABILITY, GAVE THE TOWN THE ABILITY TO DO THIS WAS PART OF THAT. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. BUT, UM, BUT I DID WANT TO SAY, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY THAT WAS ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME, UM, I THINK THEY FELT THEY WERE IN A POSITION WHERE WE NEEDED TO STEP UP AND DO SOMETHING. AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT, WHAT, UH, THAT WAS THE ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN. SO, AND IT WASN'T ANY ONE PARTICULAR PERSON'S, AS I RECALL ON THE COUNCIL. IT WAS A JOINT. AND IN FACT, I, SOME OF THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, HAVE, HAVE SINCE REACHED OUT AS WELL. SO ANYWAY. DO WE, I THINK I, I THINK I SEE THIS AS EVERY, THAT THE CONSENSUS, I KNOW IT'S NOT UNANIMOUS, BUT THE CONSENSUS IS TO MOVE, TO MOVE, UH, THE FUTURE DIRECTION, THE FRONT ROW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. GEORGE, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UM, IF, IF THE CONSENSUS OF COUNSEL IS TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT FREEDOM MM-HMM. , I THINK THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO FILL CORRECT. THE TWO EXPIRED TERMS AND THE ONE, UH, VACANCY BY RESIGNATION. CORRECT. MR. HALTZ? I THINK THAT, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU COULD CONTACT ALL THE MEMBERS THAT, BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T MET SINCE LAST JULY, CONTACT ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE FREEDOM BOARD AND, UM, AND FIND OUT THEIR, THEIR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE. UM, AND, AND THEN WE'D BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, DO WE NEED TO FIND TWO NEW PEOPLE FOR THE UN EXPIRED TERMS OR IF THEY'RE STILL INTERESTED IN SERVING. I BELIEVE ALL OF THOSE SEVEN MEMBERS, ONE RESIGNED. BUT I KNOW THAT THAT WAS DURING A TIME WHEN NO, WE, THEY WEREN'T MEETING. AND SO I THINK THEIR, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEIR THOUGHT WAS IF WE WEREN'T GONNA MEET, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE SEVEN PEOPLE I BELIEVE HAD GONE THROUGH THE TRAINING THAT, THAT, UM, I, THROUGH THE STATE PROVIDED AND STUFF, YEAH. I BELIEVE ALL SEVEN OF THEM HAVE. SO IF THEY, IF THE TWO THAT HAVE EXPIRED TERMS ARE STILL INTERESTED, MAYBE COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER OR ENTERTAIN KEEPING THEM ON JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE TRAINED. UM, BUT IF NOT, THEN WE COULD BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO FIND THREE NEW MEMBERS. AND IF ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC IS LISTENING, IF WE DO END UP NEEDING TO FIND ANOTHER MEMBER, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD ADVERTISE, UM, WITH APPLICATIONS AND, AND HOLD INTERVIEWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. MR. WALTZ, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM COUNSEL? NO, UM, THAT WAS WHAT I NEEDED. DIRECTION. THEY DO HAVE SEVEN BOARD MEMBERS OR TWO THAT HAVE TERMED OUT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO REAPPOINT AND THEN WE HAVE ONE RESIGNATION. UH, THE KEY HERE IS THAT WE WOULD NEED FOUR BOARD MEMBERS TO HAVE A QUO. SO I'D HAVE TO, TO POLL THE GROUP TOMORROW OR THIS WEEK TO SEE WHAT IF THEIR INTENT IS TO CONTINUE. UM, AND THEN I WOULD ALSO, UH, GOING INTO THIS, KNOWING I HAVE ONE RESIGNATION, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADVERTISE FOR THAT POSITION, AND THEN I CAN CONTACT THE TWO BOARD MEMBERS WHO TERM LIMITS HAVE EXPIRED TO SEE IF THEIR DESIRE IS TO CONTINUE AND THEN BRING THEM TO COUNCIL FOR AN INTERVIEW AND CLOSE. OKAY. AND IF YOU, BECAUSE YOU, THE IDEA IS WE THINK THERE'S ALREADY AN OPENING. IF YOU WENT AHEAD AND, AND ENTER, UH, ADVERTISE FOR APPLICATIONS, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT NOW AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE KNOW WE NEED TO PICK ONE, WE NEED TO PICK ONE IF WE END UP HAVING TO PICK THREE. AND JUST FOR COUNSEL'S, UM, INFORMATION, WHEN HE SAID ABOUT TERMS EXPIRED, SO WHEN THEY WERE FIRST APPOINTED, THEY, WE STAGGERED THE TERMS SO THAT EVERY, BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL STARTING AT THE SAME TIME, WE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO ALL BE LEAVING AT THE SAME TIME. MM-HMM. . AND SO I BELIEVE THERE WERE FOUR YEAR, THERE WAS ONLY ONE PERSON WITH A FOUR YEAR TERM AS I RECALL. IT WAS LIKE ONE WITH A FOUR YEAR, TWO WITH A THREE, TWO WITH A TWO. MAYBE IT WAS TWO WITH ONE. I'M NOT TOTALLY, I REMEMBER SEEING THE POLICE. IT'S ACTUALLY TWO WITH THE ONE, [01:30:01] AND THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE TWO THAT THEIR TERMS HAVE. MAKES SENSE. THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. YEAH, BECAUSE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN FROM MARCH TO MARCH. YEAH. OKAY. DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US? NO, I'VE GOT DIRECTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND MAYBE WHENEVER YOU FIND OUT, UM, I WILL PROVIDE ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE STILL WANNA STAY OR DON'T WANNA SAY YOU COULD LET US KNOW WILL BE RIGHT. UM, ALL RIGHT. THAT, THAT'S IT THEN. SO MOTION TO ADJOURN? YES. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO ADJOURN? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. MOTION TO ADJOURN ALL THOSE IN. SAY FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. NO OPPOSED. OKAY, ADJOURN. THANK YOU FOR LETTING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.