* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] I AM GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR TOWN COUNCIL MEETING OF MONDAY, APRIL 24TH. [1. MOMENT OF SILENCE ] AND WE'RE GONNA START OFF WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE. AND AS I USUALLY, UH, ASK JUST TO PLEASE INCLUDE, UH, THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY. I KNOW WE HAD A, A GREAT LOSS THIS WEEK, UH, WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND JUST KEEP US IN YOUR THOUGHTS AS WE TRY TO MAKE AND DO, UM, THE BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY. OKAY? NEXT, [2. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ] WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR PLEDGE. UM, AND AS YOU KNOW, DURING MY TERM AS MAYOR, I'M INVITING STUDENTS FROM THE TOWN FRONT ROYAL TO LEAD OUR COUNCIL IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE THIS NIGHT, THIS TONIGHT, WE WELCOME MEMBERS OF GIRL SCOUT TROOP, 4 0 3 0 3 GIRLS, CAN YOU COME FORWARD? SO, TONIGHT WE HAVE LUCY PHILLIPS, WHO ATTENDS SKYLINE MIDDLE SCHOOL, EMMY PHILLIPS, WHO ATTENDS E WILSON MORRISON, COURTNEY JONES, WHO ATTENDS SKYLINE MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND BRIANNA JAMES, WHO ATTENDS WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL. THE TROOP IS LED BY MS. KEISHA PHILLIPS AND HER CO-LEADER ASHLEY JONES. UM, I JUST WANNA COMMEND THESE YOUNG LADIES FOR BEING INVOLVED WITH GIRL SCOUTS. MY DAUGHTER BEGAN HER SCOUTING JOURNEY IN FIRST GRADE. UM, SHE DID, AS I TOLD THEM EARLIER, WHEN WE MET, UH, SHE GOT HER BRONZE OR A SILVER, BUT DID NOT FINISH HER GOLD. HOPEFULLY YOU LADIES, UH, HAVE THAT AS YOUR GOAL. UM, I KNOW WHAT A COMMITMENT IS TO BE A GIRL SCOUT AND YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY AS APPRECIATED. THE GIRLS, UM, ARE GONNA BE GETTING A CERTIFICATE, UH, THANKING THEM FOR THEIR PATRIOTISM AND PARTICIPATION TONIGHT, AS WELL AS A GIFT CERTIFICATE FROM C N C. SO, GIRLS, ARE YOU READY? ALL RIGHT. SO IF YOU WANT TO GO OVER CLOSER TO THE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE THRONE. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. LADIES, WE WERE SO BUSY IN THE BACK, AND I'M GONNA ADMIT THIS IS NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR ME. I'M USUALLY WAY MORE PREPARED. SO, LUCY, LUCY AND PENNY, ARE YOU AND BRIANNA? KATE. SEE, I GOT YOUR NAMES RIGHT IN JUST A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME AND QU RIGHT. THANK YOU LADIES. SURE. OH, YEP. YEP. HAD THE PLEASURE BEFORE THE MEETING OF SUPERVISOR OATS AND MYSELF TO MEET WITH THOSE YOUNG LADIES SO THEY COULD ASK US QUESTIONS, UM, ABOUT OUR ROLE AND OUR RESPONSIBILITIES. AND SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, UM, FOR OUR YOUTH TO UNDERSTAND, UM, GOVERNMENT AND, AND THAT THEY CAN, UH, ALSO PARTICIPATE. [3. ROLL CALL ] MS. PRESLEY, ARE, ARE YOU READY FOR THE ROLL CALL? YES. MAYOR COCKRELL. HERE. COUNCILWOMAN D DAMCO PAYNE. HERE. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? HERE. COUNCILMAN MORRIS? HERE. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? HERE. COUNCILMAN ROGERS. HERE. VICE MAYOR SEAK HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. [4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ] SO NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR. APPROVAL OF MINUTES. COUNCIL MADAM MAYOR, I MOVED THAT COUNCIL APPROVED THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF MARCH 27TH, 2023 WORK SESSION MINUTES OF APRIL 3RD AND APRIL 10TH, 2023 AS PRESENTED. OKAY. OKAY. HAVING A FIRST AND SECOND. LET'S DO A ROLL CALL. COUNCILWOMAN DE DEMONACO PAYNE? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. [00:05:01] COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS? YES. VICE MAYOR SEAK? YES. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER FIVE. ARE ANY ADDITION OR DELETION OF ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA OR REVISION TO THE ORDER OF BUSINESS? IS THERE ANY, UM, SUGGESTION? OKAY. I WILL [6. RECOGNITIONS/AWARDS/REPORTS/PRESENTATIONS ] MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. AND THIS IS, UM, OUR RECOGNITIONS AWARDS, REPORTS AND PRESENTATIONS. AND FIRST OFF IS A REPORT FROM OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM MANAGER, MS. LIZZIE LEWIS. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. AND I WANNA COMMEND THOSE GIRL SCOUTS CUZ I WENT TO MY FIRST BROWNIE MEETING AND THERE WERE NO ACTUAL BROWNIES AT THE MEETING AND I BAILED . SO, UM, KUDOS TO THEM FOR ACTUALLY HANGING IN THERE. . THAT'S A TRUE STORY. YOU CAN FACT CHECK THAT. SO I WAS ASKED TO GIVE A LITTLE UPDATE ON HOW THINGS ARE IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM WORLD. UM, AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, A BIG PART OF MY JOB IS EVENTS. SO I WANTED TO TAKE A SECOND AND SAY THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY COUNCIL DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB WITH OUR EARTH DAY CELEBRATION THIS PAST SATURDAY. WE GOT IN TWO AND A HALF HOURS OF A LOT OF FUN BEFORE THE SKIES OPENED UP. UH, WE HAD WE'RE, I HAD A FEW FOLKS COUNTING OUT THERE IN THE AUDIENCE AND, UH, WE WE'RE ESTIMATING BETWEEN SEVEN AND 800 PEOPLE CAME THROUGH IN THAT TWO AND A HALF HOURS. THAT'S ALMOST DOUBLE WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR. SO WE HAD, YOU KNOW, 45 VENDORS. WE HAD A PETTING ZOO, WE HAD ALL KINDS OF, OF FOOD TRUCKS. THEY WERE GREAT. THE FOOD TRUCKS WERE GREAT. UM, AND WE DID HAVE TO SCOOT THAT TREE PLANTING UP A LITTLE BIT. I DO HAVE A VIDEO OF US PLANTING THAT TREE. OKAY. I HAVE A VIDEO OF US PUTTING DIRT ON THAT TREE. UM, BUT EVERYBODY DID A REAL NICE JOB WITH THAT. SO I WILL BE SHARING THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. UM, SOME UPCOMING EVENTS WE HAVE THE DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL INC. UM, ORGANIZATION IS DOING THEIR KICKOFF ON CINCO DE MAYO ON MAIN STREET. SO THEY'LL BE SET UP AT GAZEBO ON MAY THE FIFTH. I BELIEVE THAT EVENT STARTS AT 3:00 PM THERE'LL BE ALL KINDS OF FUN STUFF GOING ON ON MAIN STREET. THEY'VE, UH, REALLY ENGAGED WITH A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES ON MAIN STREET. SO THAT'LL BE A GREAT EVENT. UM, WE'VE GOT FAMILY FUN DAY HOSTED BY C N C FROZEN TREATS ON, UH, MAY 13TH. THAT'S THE SATURDAY OF MOTHER'S DAY WEEKEND AND THEY'LL BE DOING THEIR PARADE AGAIN THIS YEAR. SO WE'RE GONNA CROSS OUR FINGERS FOR BETTER WEATHER. UM, THE KIWANIS ARE HAVING THEIR ANNUAL RUN ALSO ON MAY 13TH. AND THEN THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND WE'VE, UH, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WILL BE HOSTING THEIR 35TH ANNUAL WINE AND CRAFT FESTIVAL. 35 IS A BIG ONE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE GOOD WEATHER. MAYBE NOT AS HOT AS LAST YEAR, BUT WE'LL TAKE IT. UM, IF WE HAVE TO. NIKKI IS SOMEWHERE YELLING AT ME SAYING, PLEASE KNOW, NO 90 DEGREES. UM, THE AMERICAN LEGION BAND WILL BE DOING THEIR CONCERT ON MAY 29TH ON MEMORIAL DAY. AND THEN WE'LL BE SLIDING RIGHT INTO SUMMER WITH OUR FIRST GAZEBO MOVIE AT THE, UH, WELL ON MAIN STREET AT THE GAZEBO WE'LL BE DOING SINGH. IT'S A CLASSIC ANIMATED MOVIE AND WE'RE PARTNERING THIS YEAR WITH A COUPLE FRIENDS IN THE COMMUNITY TO ACTUALLY DO SOME HANDS ON KIDS ACTIVITIES BEFORE THE MOVIE STARTS, CUZ WE REALLY CAN'T SHOW IT UNTIL THE SUN GOES DOWN. SO WE'RE GONNA START THIS YEAR WITH PARKS AND RECREATION ON JUNE THE SECOND. UM, THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT AND DO SOME HANDS-ON KIDS FUN STUFF, UH, FOR ABOUT AN HOUR BEFORE THE MOVIE STARTS. THAT'LL BE COOL. AND THAT'S ON FRIDAY, JUNE THE SECOND. SO THAT'S A WEEK AFTER SCHOOL THAT'S OUT, I BELIEVE MAYOR COCKER, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. I GOT MY SCHOOL SCHEDULE. RIGHT. OKAY. OUR LAST DAY SCHOOL IS ON THURSDAY BEFORE. AWESOME. AWESOME. SORRY, I THINK EVERYBODY CAN GIVE YOU A WOO-HOO ON THAT ONE. SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK LITTLE UPDATE ON THE VISITOR CENTER. UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'RE BACK OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 10:00 AM TO 4:00 PM UM, WE'RE CERTAINLY GAINING SPEED. WE HAD OUR FIRST TOUR BUS OF THE SEASON LAST WEEK. UM, WE HANDLED THAT PRETTY WELL, I THINK SO ANYWAY, UM, WE ALSO HAD OVER 400 VISITORS, NOT THIS PAST WEEKEND, BUT THE WEEKEND BEFORE FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY WE HAD OVER 400 VISITORS. YEAH, CUZ WE COUNT, WE COUNT YOU AS YOU COME IN THE DOOR. UM, AND WE COUNT ALL Y'ALL TOO IF YOU COME IN AND VISIT. SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. UM, , I KNOW THAT COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT HELPED OUT ONE FRIDAY CUZ WE GOT A LITTLE OVERRUN IN THERE AND I HEAR HE WAS GREAT. SO I'M ACTUALLY GONNA NEED HIM ON THIS NEXT INITIATIVE I'M ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT. UM, AND COUNCILMAN INGRAM'S COME IN A FEW TIMES TOO, SO WE'RE GONNA GET HIM TRAINED UP. HE'LL BE READY TO GO . SO WE ARE BRINGING BACK THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM. UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA CALL HIM THE ROYAL AMBASSADORS. IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT NAME, DON'T TELL ME CUZ I'M REALLY COMMITTED TO IT. UM, SO WE WANNA HAVE KIND OF A COUPLE OF OPTIONS. SO YOU'LL BE AN EVENT VOLUNTEER. UM, THERE'LL BE VISITOR VOLUNTEER OPTIONS, AND THEN I KIND OF WANT LIKE A MARKETING STREET TEAM. I REALLY WANT SOME FOLKS WHO CAN GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ENGAGING AND BRINGING [00:10:01] WHAT EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR. RIGHT? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE THREE KIND OF BUCKETS THAT YOU CAN FILL INTO AND YOU CAN BE IN ALL THREE BUCKETS OR MAYBE YOU JUST WANNA WORK EVENTS OR MAYBE YOU JUST WANNA WORK AT THE VISITOR CENTER. WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF OPTIONS. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA PUT SOME INFORMATION UP ON THE WEBSITE THIS WEEK ABOUT THAT. UM, BUT IF ANYBODY'S REALLY AN EAGER BEAVER AND THEY WANT TO EMAIL ME, THEY CAN AT VOLUNTEER FRONT ROYAL VA.COM. YOU SEND ME AN EMAIL, I'LL GET YOU HOOKED UP. AND THEN THE LAST THING I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY IS THE TROLLEY. SO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, THE TROLLEY IS A PUBLIC TRANSIT SYSTEM. IT IS NOT A TOUR OF TOWN. YOU WILL IN FACT SEE TOWN, BUT IT'LL BE A LITTLE QUICK. SO, UM, AND SELF-GUIDED AT THAT POINT. BUT WE HAD OVER 1500 RIDERS IN MARCH. WOW. THAT BLEW MY MIND. I HAD NO IDEA. WOW. WE'RE GONNA WORK ON A MARKETING CAMPAIGN FOR THIS PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OPTION. UM, BECAUSE THE TROLLEY'S STILL FREE. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE TWO QUARTERS IN YOUR POCKET TO GET ON THE TROLLEY. YOU CAN JUST GO. SO THE TROLLEY RUNS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. IT'S A MORE ABBREVIATED SERVICE ON THE WEEKENDS, BUT WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE TWO SEPARATE TROLLEYS. THERE'S A NORTH LOOP AND A SOUTH LOOP AND THAT IT'S ONLY 30 MINUTES TO GO THE WHOLE LOOP. SO YOU GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING, IT MIGHT TAKE A MINUTE, BUT YOU GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING. AND OF COURSE, WE CONNECT AT TWO DIFFERENT POINTS ON THE TROLLEY MAP WITH THE CORRIDOR CONNECTOR, WHICH IS OF COURSE THE COUNTY'S TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. UM, AND THOSE ARE RUN BY THE SAME ORGANIZ, THE SAME VENDOR. SO WE'RE ABLE TO WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THEM ON MAKING SURE WE'RE MEETING THE RIGHT NEEDS. UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TROLLEY, THEY'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO SEND ME AN EMAIL OR YOU CAN EMAIL TROLLEY FRONT ROYAL VA.COM AND I'LL GET YOU THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED, OUR SCHEDULE'S ON OUR WEBSITE AS WELL FOR THE TROLLEY. AND IF ANYBODY HAS AN ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, THEY'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO REACH OUT. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU COUNCIL, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. LEWIS? I THINK SHE KINDA HIT A LOT OF TOPICS, BUT NO, I JUST, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY, UH, HAVING BEEN THERE ON, ON ON SATURDAY, UH, FOR A LITTLE WHILE THAT WE HAD BEFORE THE RAIN CAME IN, I WAS, I WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED HOW MANY PEOPLE WAS THERE. I MEAN, IT WAS, UH, UH, PLENTY OF VENDORS WERE THERE. I MEAN, THERE WAS A GOOD CROWD. UH, OF COURSE THE RAIN KICKED IN, BUT I THINK IT WAS A SIGN OF COMPARED TO WHAT I SAW LAST YEAR. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A WAY I HAD NOTHING BUT POSITIVE COMMENTS ABOUT IT. SO I ACTUALLY RAN INTO LORI, UH, JUST BEFORE THE RAIN, RAIN KICKED IN AND WE WERE, UH, UH, SCRAMBLING TO GET AWAY FROM SOME SOUP BEING PUT UP. SO YEAH. AND THEN THE HOUR OF IN THE RAIN AND WET YEAH. BROUGHT ABOUT THIS VOICE THAT I GOT . YEAH. BUT IT WAS, IT WAS GREAT. LIZZIE JUST, UH, A COMPLIMENT ON, ON THIS WEEKEND. IT WAS AWESOME UNTIL, UNTIL THERE WAS THE EXPLOSION OF THE RAIN. I WANNA REMIND FOLKS THAT IT WAS JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WASN'T IT, THAT WE, WE KIND OF CON CONCLUDED THE SAME KIND OF EVENT UP THE HIGH SCHOOL, UH, UP AT SKYLINE AND AT AT SKYLINE AT THAT TIME. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN 10 VENDORS OR SO, IF, IF THAT, UH, TO GROW AS YOU HAVE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. IT'S BEEN TREMENDOUS. AND TO SEE THE NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT HAVE, UH, SHOWED UP, UH, COMMEND ALL OF YOUR, YOU AND ALL OF YOUR WORKERS. OH, WE APPRECIATE THAT. I'M GONNA TAKE THOSE THANK YOUS ON BEHALF OF THE EAC COMMITTEE. THOSE GUYS DID, DID THE WORK THEY WERE DOING THE MOST. I I JUST HELPED HIM GET THE WORD OUT A LITTLE BIT AND DO SOME LOGISTICS. SO YES. BUT I WILL PASS ALONG THOSE. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT. YES. UH, I I JUST WANTED TO SAY LIZZIE, THAT, UH, THE PERSONAL SERVICE THAT, UH, THE FOLKS THAT ARE WORKING IN THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, IS, UH, JUST, IT'S EXCELLENT. UH, I I THEY'RE THE BEST, AREN'T THEY? YEAH. THE BEST. YEAH. I OBSERVED, UH, UH, HOW THE TOURIST, UH, VISITORS WERE REACTING, UH, TO THE, THE INFORMATIVE INFORMATION, UH, PARTICULARLY, UH, DEBBIE, UM, UH, UH, FOR THE FOLKS THAT COME IN THAT ARE HORSE PEOPLE AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR PLACES TO RIDE, SHE'S, SHE'S ALL OVER IT. UH, SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. SURE. I'LL JUST SECOND WHAT BRUCE SAID. UH, MY KIDS AND I STOPPED BY NOT TOO LONG AGO WITH OUR DOG, AND THEY DID NOT KNOW I WAS ON COUNCIL AND I DID NOT TELL THEM. AND MY DOG LEFT WITH A NEW TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL BANDANA AROUND HER NECK. IT WAS SO ADORABLE. UM, AND MY KIDS GOT LOTS OF LITTLE GOODIES THAT THEY HAD LAYING AROUND IN THERE. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO THE TOWN AND ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE. I KNOW WE'VE ADDED A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITIES TO YOU AS THEY'VE COME AND YOU'VE TAKEN ALL OF THOSE ROLES ON EAGERLY AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL. AND THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. WE'RE EXCITED TO HEAD INTO THIS BUSY TOURISM SEASON. MM-HMM. . OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ITEM, UH, SIX B IS RECOGNITION OF AN EMPLOYEE FROM OUR ENERGY SERVICES DEPARTMENT. CARRIE I BELIEVE IS, [00:15:02] WE WALKED IN TOGETHER, SO GOOD EVENING. YES. APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME TO, UH, RECOGNIZE ONE OF MY EMPLOYEES. UH, THIS IS SCOTT CURRY. UM, HE'S BEEN WITH, WITH THE TOWN FOR FIVE YEARS, BEEN WITH THE ENERGY SERVICE DEPARTMENT FOR FOUR. UH, HE IS, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS. MM-HMM. , THE STREET LIGHTS AND YARD LIGHTS, AS WELL AS UNDERGROUND MISSION UTILITIES. UH, SCOTT HAS A CLASS TWO SIGNAL TECHNICIAN, AND, UH, WE ARE HONORING HIM TONIGHT FOR PASSING THE APPRENTICESHIP THROUGH THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. AND, UH, WITH THAT, UH, I'D LIKE TO PRESENT HIM THIS AWARD. ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS FOR HIM. THIS IS HIS NIGHT COLOR. LET'S SEE HERE. OKAY. ALL READY? OKAY, HERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. GOT IT. YOU COULD USE ME. I WAS LIKE A SECOND. I WAS LIKE, I THINK I'M A SUICIDE . SO, NEXT UP IS ITEM SIX C. UM, AND THAT IS A PROCLAMATION FOR SEXUAL VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH. AND, UM, MS. PRESTON, I'M JUST GONNA READ THE SUMMARY. SO COUNCILS REQUESTED TO PROVE IT TO APPROVE A PROCLAMATION FOR CLAIMING APRIL AS SEXUAL VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AS PRESENTED. UM, UH, DO, DOES COUNCIL WANT TO, UH, OPEN UP THE COUNCIL FOR A MOTION AND THEN I CAN READ THE PROCLAMATION AFTER MADAM MAYOR. MM-HMM. . UM, I MOVE THAT THE COUNCIL WILL PROVE A PROCLAMATION PROCLAIMING APRIL AS SEXUAL VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AS PRESENTED SECOND, HAVING A FIRST AND SECOND. I'M ACTUALLY GONNA READ IT BEFORE WE TAKE, UM, THE VOTE. SO, WHEREAS SEXUAL VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH IS INTENDED TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT SEXUAL VIOLENCE IS WED WIDESPREAD AND IMPACTS EVERY COMMUNITY MEMBER OF FRONT ROYAL. AND WHEREAS THE PROBLEM OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE IS NOT CONFINED TO ANY GROUP OR GROUPS OF PEOPLE, BUT ACROSS ALL ECONOMIC, RACIAL, AFFECTIONAL PREFERENCE AND SOCIETAL BARRIERS. AND WHEREAS THE CRIME OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE VIOLATES AN INDIVIDUAL'S PRIVACY, DIGNITY, SECURITY, AND HUMANITY. AND WHEREAS WE MUST WORK TOGETHER TO EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT SEXUAL VIOLENCE PREVENTION, SUPPORTING SURVIVORS, AND SPEAKING OUT AGAINST HARMFUL ATTITUDES AND ACTIONS. AND WHEREAS WITH LEADERSHIP, DEDICATION AND ENCOURAGEMENT, THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT WE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL IN PREVENTING SEXUAL VIOLENCE AND FRONT ROYAL THROUGH INCREASED EDUCATION, AWARENESS, AND COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. AND NOW, THEREFORE, IN RECOGNITION OF THE IMPORTANT WORK DONE BY THE LAUREL CENTER AND THE PHOENIX PROJECT, THE MAYOR IN TOWN COUNCIL, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, DO YOU HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF APRIL A SEXUAL VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH AND URGE ALL CITIZENS TO ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE IN ALL SCHEDULED ACTIVITIES? I'M PROGRAM SPONSORED BY THE LAUREL CENTER AND THE PHOENIX PROJECT, UM, TOWARD THE ELIMINATION OF PERSONAL INSTITUTIONAL VIOLENCE. MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? A MOTION? WE ALREADY HAD THE MOTION. SOMEBODY HAD A MOTION AND WE HAD A SECOND. BUT I CAN OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION. NO, IF ANYBODY, ARE WE GOOD? OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN D DO MONICA PAYNE? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS. YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS? YES. VICE MAYOR SEAK? YES. MOTION PASSES. SO NEXT IS SIX D, WHICH IS A PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS DAY COUNCIL'S REQUESTED TO APPROVE A PROCLAMATION FOR CRIME PROCLAIMING APRIL 26TH AS NATIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS DAY IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AS PRESENTED. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNCIL [00:20:01] APPROVE A PROCLAMATION PROCLAIMING APRIL 26TH, 2023 AS NATIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS DAY IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AS PRESENTED. SECOND. OKAY. HAVING A MOTION AND A SECOND. I, I'M, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, AM I, I'M READING THE, I CAN READ THE PROCLAMATION BEFORE WE VOTE. RIGHT? I THOUGHT I DON'T WANNA DO THIS BACKWARDS. SO APRIL 26TH, THAT IS WEDNESDAY RAPE MM-HMM. . WHEREAS NATIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS DAY, ALSO KNOWN AS SECRETARY'S DAY, WE'RE ADMIN DAY RECOGNIZES THE WORK OF SECRETARIES, ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANTS, RECEPTIONISTS, AND OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT PROFESSIONALS WHO KEEP AN OFFICE RUNNING SMOOTHLY AND EFFICIENTLY EVERY DAY. AND WHEREAS THE DAY IN THE LIFE AND OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONAL IS VARIED, BUT ORGANIZATION FLEXIBILITY AND ABILITY TO HANDLE THE UNEXPECTED OR KEY TO THEIR SUCCESS, REQUIRING ADVANCED KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE IN COMMUNICATIONS, COMPUTER SOFTWARE, OFFICE TECHNOLOGY, PROJECT MANAGEMENT, ORGANIZATION, CUSTOMER SERVICE, AND OTHER VITAL OFFICE MANAGEMENT RESPONSIBILITIES. AND NOW, THEREFORE, THE MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL. HEREBY RECOGNIZ NUMBER ACCLAIM APRIL 26TH, 2023. AS ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS DAY IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL SALUTING THE VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS OF ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS ON THE TOWN STAFF. AND ENCOURAGE ALL EMPLOYERS TO SUPPORT CONTINUED TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF. RECOGNIZE THE RECOGNIZING THAT A WELL-TRAINED WORKFORCE IS ESSENTIAL FOR SUCCESS. MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? COUNCILMAN D DEMO. MONICA PAYNE. YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS. YES. COUNCILMAN RAPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS? YES. VICE MAYOR LOCK? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. UM, NEXT UP IS, UM, ITEM SIX E. UM, AND, UH, COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO APPROVE A PROCLAMATION FOR CLAIMING APRIL 30TH THROUGH MAY 6TH AS THE 54TH ANNUAL MUNICIPAL CLERK'S WEEK IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AS PRESENTED. DO I HEAR A MOTION, MADAM MAYOR? I MOVE THAT COUNCIL APPROVE A PROCLAMATION PROCLAIMING APRIL 30TH THROUGH MAY 6TH, 2023 AS THE 54TH ANNUAL MUNICIPAL CLERKS SECOND AND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AS PRESENTED. PUT THAT PAUSE SECOND. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND, AND I'M GONNA READ THIS. WHEREAS THE MUNICIPAL CLERK IN TIME HONORED AND VITAL PART OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT EXISTS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. AND WHEREAS THE MUNICIPAL CLERK PROVIDES THE PROFESSIONAL LINK BETWEEN THE CITIZENS AND THE LOCAL GOVERNING BODY, AS WELL AS SERVING AS THE INFORMATION CENTER ON FUNCTIONS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS MUNICIPAL CLERKS HAVE PLEDGED TO BE EVER MINDFUL OF THEIR NEUTRALITY AND IMPARTIALITY RENDERING EQUAL SERVICE TO ALL. AND WHEREAS MUNICIPAL CLERKS CONTINUALLY STRIVE TO IMPROVE THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE AFFAIRS AND THE MUNICIPAL CLERK THROUGH PARTICIPATION IN EDUCATION PROGRAMS, SEMINARS, WORKSHOPS, AND THE MEETINGS OF THEIR PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS. NOW, THEREFORE, THE MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL DO RECOGNIZE AND RECLAIM THE WEEK OF APRIL 30TH THROUGH MAY 6TH AS MUNICIPAL CLERKS WEEK IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND FURTHER EXTEND APPRECIATION TO ALL MUNICIPAL CLERKS FOR THEIR VITAL SERVICES AND EXEMPLARY DEDICATION TO THE COMMUNITIES THEY REPRESENT. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, MRS. PRESLEY DOES, I, I JUST READING THIS IS REALLY YOU, , UM, I, YOU KNOW, EVERY PART OF IT. IMPARTIAL NEUTRALITY COM, UH, CUSTOMER SERVICE, UM, WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT EDUCATION PROGRAMS, DO YOU MIND ME PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT? HOW, HOW MANY YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN, UH, THE CLERK? IT'S 30 YEARS. THIS MAY 30 YEARS. I HAVE NOT BEEN CLERK FOR 30 YEARS. . RIGHT, RIGHT. AND I BELIEVE LAST YEAR YOU RECEIVED AN AWARD, UH, FROM BOARD FAIRFAX THAT WAS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS. YES. YES. UM, AND YOU WOULD THINK FOR AS LONG AS YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS ROLE THAT SHE WOULD KNOW IT ALL. RIGHT. RIGHT. WHICH I, I STILL THINK YOU DO. UM, BUT LAST WEEK SHE ACTUALLY WENT TO A CONFERENCE FOR TWO DAYS AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE, I SAID, HOW'D THEY GO? AND SHE WAS LIKE, I LEARNED SO MUCH. AND SO I JUST THINK THAT'S SUCH A TESTAMENT TO, UH, THE SERVICE SHE PROVIDE TO OUR CITIZENS, THE FACT THAT YOU'RE STILL WANTING TO GROW IN YOUR JOB. AND, UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU, SO I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. I WANTED TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION OF, THANK YOU, TINA. I KNOW OFTENTIMES IT'S NOT EASY BEING THE CLERK OF AT TIMES DYSFUNCTIONAL COUNCILS . UM, [00:25:01] I WOULD NOT WANNA DO IT OR ASPIRE TO DO IT FOR 30 YEARS, BUT YOU, UM, YOU EXUDE ALL THE THINGS LORI SAID AND RUN THE PROCLAMATION. AND YOU'VE ALSO SERVED AS BACKUP LEGAL ADVICE AND TOWN MANAGEMENT ADVICE. AND YOUR LOYALTY TO THE TOWN DOESN'T GO UNNOTICED. WE ENJOY WORKING WITH YOU. THANK YOU. I WOULDN'T KNOW WHERE THE FRONT FIND THE FRONT DOOR . SO, UH, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL? COUNCILWOMAN DITA MONICA PAYNE? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS? YES. VICE MAYOR SEAK? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. AND SO NOW SIX F I HAVE TO LAUGH. THIS WAS THE NIGHT THAT WE HAVE LIKE ALL THESE PROCLAMATIONS, BUT IT'S A BUSY MONTH. UM, SO COUNSEL IS REQUESTED TO APPROVE A PROCLAMATION PROCLAIMING APRIL 22ND. AS ARBOR DAY IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROW HAS PRESENTED, UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MADAM MAYOR? I MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPROVE A PROCLAMATION PROCLAIMING APRIL 22ND 23. 2023 AS ARBOR DAY IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AS PRESENTED. SECOND. OKAY, HERE WE GO. WHEREAS IN 1872, THE NEBRASKA BOARD OF AGRICULTURE ESTABLISHED A SPECIAL DAY TO BE SET ASIDE FOR THE PLANTING OF TREES. AND WHEREAS THIS HOLIDAY CALLED ARBOR DAY WAS FIRST OBSERVED WITH THE PLANTING OF MORE THAN A MILLION TREES IN NEBRASKA. AND WHEREAS ARBOR DAY IS NOW OBSERVED THROUGHOUT THE NATION AND THE WORLD. AND WHEREAS TREES CAN BE A SOLUTION TO COMBATING CLIMATE CHANGE BY REDUCING THE EROSION OF OUR PRECIOUS TOP SOIL BY WIND AND WATER, CUTTING, HEATING AND COOLING COSTS, MODERATING THE, THE TEMPERATURE, CLEANING THE AIR, PRODUCING LIFE, GIVING OXYGEN, AND PROVIDING HABITAT FOR WILDLIFE. AND WHEREAS TREES ARE A RENEWABLE RESOURCE GIVING US PAPER WOOD FOR OUR HOMES, FUEL FOR OUR FIRES, AND COUNTLESS OTHER WOOD PRODUCTS. AND WHEREAS TREES IN OUR CITY INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES, ENHANCE THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF BUSINESS AREAS AND BEAUTIF FIRE COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS TREES, WHEREVER THEY ARE PLANTED ARE A SOURCE OF JOY AND SPIRITUAL RENEWAL. NOW, THEREFORE, THE MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL DO HEREBY PROCLAIM APRIL 22ND. 2023 IS ARBOR DAY IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. AND I URGE ALL CITIZENS TO CELEBRATE ARBOR DAY AND TO SUPPORT EFFORTS TO PROTECT OUR TREES AND WOODLANDS. AND WE URGE ALL CITIZENS TO PLANT TREES TO GLADDEN THE HEART AND PROMOTE THE WELLBEING OF THIS AND FUTURE GENERATIONS. IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS, IF NOT, MS. PRESLEY, YOU WANNA DO A ROLL CALL? COUNCILWOMAN D DO MONICA PAYNE? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS? YES. VICE MAYOR SEAK? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. SO WE ARE MOVING ON TO, UH, SECTION SEVEN, WHICH IS OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. UM, AND BEFORE, UM, I START ON, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, I JUST HAVE SOME COMMENTS, JUST REMINDERS. UM, PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNSEL TO LEARN OF INFORMATION OF WHICH THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY AWARE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, THEN COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. IF THE COMMENTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE, YOU MAY SIMPLY SAY THAT YOU AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. THERE IS A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT FOR SPEAKERS. AND THEN I JUST ALSO, UM, WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT, UM, DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, THERE SHOULD BE NO PERSONAL TAX AND DECOROUS LANGUAGE OR DISPLAY OF SIGNS, PLACARDS, POSTERS, OR OTHER DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT OR DISPLAY. OKAY. UM, SO [7.A. Setting Real Estate and Personal Property Tax Rates and Ordinance Amendment to Chapter 75-44 ] OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS, UM, TO SET THE REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATES AND ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 75 THROUGH 44. MS. PRESLEY, CAN YOU READ THE SUMMARY PLEASE? COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO CONSIDER THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE AT 10 CENTS PER $100 ASSESSED VALUE BASED UPON EQUALIZATION OF REAL ESTATE TAXES, WHICH REPRESENTS A DECREASE OF 3 CENTS FROM THE CURRENT YEAR'S RATE AND THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATE AT 64 CENTS PER $100 ASSESSED VALUE, WHICH REPRESENTS NO INCREASE, IT WAS A CURRENT YEAR'S RATE, AND THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF RATE FOR QUALIFYING VEHICLES AT A RATE OF 46% PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE 58.1 DASH 35 24. ONCE THE TAX RATES ARE APPROVED, COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO TOWN TOWN CODE CHAPTER 75 DASH 44 C, ACCORDINGLY, WITH AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF JULY 1ST, 2023. THANK YOU, MS. PRESLEY. UM, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR ITEM SEVEN A? NO, WE HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP. OKAY. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO, UH, SPEAK? [00:30:01] OKAY, THEN I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPROVED THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE AT 10 CENTS PER $100 ASSESSED VALUE BASED UPON EQUALIZATION OF REAL ESTATE TAXES, WHICH REPRESENTS A DECREASE OF 3 CENTS FROM THE CURRENT YEAR'S. RATE THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATE AT 64 CENTS PER $100 ASSESSED VALUE, WHICH REPRESENTS NO INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT YEAR'S RATE AND THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF RATE FOR QUALIFYING VEHICLES AT A RATE OF 46% PURSUANT TO VIRGINIA CODE 58.1 DASH 3 5 2 4. I FURTHER MOVE THAT COUNCIL, APPROVE AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE CHAPTER 75 DASH FOUR FOUR C TO REFLECT THE NEW TAX RATE AS PRESENTED IN EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2023. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND NOW, I'M GONNA, UH, OPEN IT UP FOR COUNSEL FOR DISCUSSION. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? I, I FEEL THE NEED TO. UH, I JUST DO WANNA SAY, CUZ SOMEBODY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EQUALIZATION, AND SO IN CASE YOU ARE WONDERING, OUR, UM, OUR TAX RATE WAS 13 CENTS AND IT'S, UM, ACTUALLY A 10 CENTS, IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT BELOW OUR EQUALIZATION OF WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN REQUIRED OF US. SO IN CASE ANYBODY WASN'T AWARE OF THAT, UM, EVEN THOUGH YOUR ASSESSMENTS WENT UP, WE EQUALIZED THE REAL ESTATE TAXES. SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT? THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD, UH, MAYOR, THAT SOME PEOPLE WILL, WILL SEE, SEE, UH, A REDUCTION AND SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT, DEPENDING ON YOUR, THE VALUE OF, OF YOUR PROPERTIES CORRECT. CORRECT. TERMS AND TAX. BUT IT IS A, IT WOULD'VE BEEN MORE IF WE HAD, IT WOULD'VE BEEN, IT WOULD'VE BEEN MORE, RIGHT? THAT'S, IT WOULD'VE BEEN MORE. OKAY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD A THANK YOU TO, UM, BJ WILSON AND OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT. I DON'T SEE HIM OUT THERE TONIGHT, BUT OUR, OH, HEY BJ. SORRY ABOUT THAT. OUR STAFF WORKS TIRELESSLY ON THIS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO SIT AROUND AND WAIT FOR THE STATE FOR A LOT OF THESE THINGS. WE HAVE TO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COUNTY AND IN A YEAR OF RECORD INFLATION AND SKY HIGH VALUES, UM, IT'S REALLY REFRESHING TO KNOW THAT WE ARE ABLE TO LOWER THE RATE MORE THAN WHAT WE LOWER IT, MORE THAN WHAT WE, UM, HAD TO. SO I HOPE THAT THAT PROVIDES RELIEF TO THOSE THAT NEED IT. AND THANK YOU TO OUR STAFF FOR WORKING TIRELESSLY ON THAT AND FOR EXPLAINING IT TO US LIKE WE'RE CHILDREN WHEN WE NEED. OKAY. SO MS. PRESLEY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL. COUNCILWOMAN D TO MONICA PAYNE. YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS? YES. VICE MAYOR SEAK? YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES. [7.B. Ordinance Amendments to Town Code Chapter 134 Pertaining to Increase of Sanitary Sewer Service Rates ] SO, SEVEN B UH, IS THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 34 PERTAINING TO INCREASE OF SANITARY SEWER SERVICE RATES. UM, MS. PRESLEY, IF YOU CAN READ THE SUMMARY, COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO APPROVE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 34 DASH 22.1 AND 1 34 DASH 22.4 TO INCREASE SANITARY SEWER SERVICE RATES AS PRESENTED. THE INCREASE OF APPROXIMATELY TWO POINT 25% WAS RECOMMENDED BASED UPON THE TOWN'S CONSULTANT'S UPDATED WATER AND SEWER RATE ANALYSIS AND USING FUNDS FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FOR MAJOR WATER AND SEWER CAPITAL PROJECTS. A MONTHLY CHARGE FOR 5,500 GALLONS OF SEWER USAGE IS $55 AND 82 CENTS. THE RECOMMENDED RATE INCREASE WOULD EQUATE TO A MONTHLY CHARGE OF $57 AND 7 CENTS. AN INCREASE OF A DOLLAR 25 MONTHLY IF APPROVED, THE INCREASE WOULD BEGIN JULY 1ST, 2023. THANK YOU MS. PRESLEY. I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, WE HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN UP? OKAY, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL. I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, UM, COMMAND OUR, AGAIN, BJ FOR, FOR OUR FINANCIAL STAFF. WE GOTTA HAVE THE MOTION MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT COUNCIL, APPROVE AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 34 DASH 22.1 AND 1 34 DASH 22 2 0.4 TO INCREASE SANITARY SEWER SERVICE RATES AS PRESENTED AND EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2023. SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND NOW WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION. AND I'M GONNA START WITH COUNCILMAN INGRAM. YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. I WAS TRYING TO LAY EVERYTHING DOWN HERE. YOU'RE GOOD. UM, NO, I'D JUST LIKE, UH, TO COMMEND AGAIN, BJ AND OUR, AND OUR, AND OUR FINANCE STAFF FOR, UH, GOING THROUGH OUR BUDGET AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A DECISION THAT [00:35:01] HAD, YOU KNOW, THAT HAD TO BE MADE HERE FOR WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, GOING ON WITH OUR PROJECTS. SO OVERALL, IT'S, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S AN NEGLIGIBLE INCREASE AND, AND, UH, BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE VITAL FOR, IT'S VITAL FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. SO, AGAIN, UH, BJ TOOK A LOT OF WORK, UH, FOR, TO PUT EVERYTHING IN THIS SUMMARY RIGHT HERE IN THE STAFF, SO KUDOS TO THEM. AND, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK, UH, THANK THEM FOR, YOU KNOW, MAKING AS, AS STILL KEEPING IT AS, UM, AS COST EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE. I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD TO THAT. UM, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT DISHEARTENING TO SEE A DECREASE IN EQUALIZATION FOLLOWED BY AN INCREASE IN RATES SOMEWHERE ELSE. UM, THIS HAS BEEN PLANNED SINCE PRIOR TO MY FIRST TERM ON COUNCIL TWO YEARS AGO. UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN EXPECTED AND WELL KNOWN AND ADVERTISED AT MANY MEETINGS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. UM, AND IT, IT WILL DEFINITELY HELP OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE MOVING FORWARD AT LOW COST. YEAH. AND I, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, UH, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO, UH, THERE'S NO INCREASE IN THE WATER RATE, UH, TO, UH, IF THERE'S ANY THOUGHT PROCESS ABOUT THAT, SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL? COUNCILWOMAN DE TO MONICA PAYNE? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS? YES. VICE MAYOR SEAK? YES. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. MOVING [7.C. Annual Appropriation Ordinance for Year July 1, 2023 – June 30, 2024 ] ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM SEVEN C. THAT IS OUR ANNUAL APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE FOR YEAR JULY 1ST, 2023 TO JUNE 30TH, 2024. MS. PRESLEY, CAN YOU READ THE SUMMARY COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO APPROVE THE ANNUAL OP APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING JULY 1ST, 2023, AND ENDING JUNE 30TH, 2024 IN THE AMOUNT OF $49,676,435. OKAY. I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. MS. PRESLEY, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, WE HAVE NO ONE. AGAIN, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO MISSED THEIR OPPORTUNITY AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK NOW? ANYBODY? OKAY. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL MAYOR I MOVE THAT COUNCIL APPROVED THE ANNUAL APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL FISCAL YEAR, BEGINNING JULY 1ST, 2023, AND ENDING JUNE 30TH, 2024 IN THE AMOUNT OF $49,676,435. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND, UM, COUNSEL, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE REGARDING THIS ITEM? I'M JUST, AGAIN, VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THE TOWN HAS DONE IN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT ON OUR BUDGET. UM, WE HAVE, I RECENTLY HEARD THIS WEEK, WHAT IS COUNCIL DOING RIGHT NOW? AND, UM, WE HAVE SOME MAJOR PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED FOR MANY, MANY DECADES, ACTUALLY, LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN ALIVE. UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE A MONEY TREE IN THE BACK OF THE TOWN HALL, AS LORI LIKES TO TELL EVERYBODY. BUT WE HAVE, UM, FUNDED THE START OF SOME VERY SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING UP THIS YEAR THAT IN RETURN SAVE THE TOWN A LOT OF MONEY. UM, I KNOW ONE THING YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD ME SPEAK A LOT ABOUT IS OUR FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING. WE HAVE GUYS DOWN THERE WHO CAN WELD JUST ABOUT ANYTHING AND THEIR LOYALTY TO THE TOWN DOESN'T GO UNNOTICED AND THEY'RE GONNA BE GETTING A NEW FLEET MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND WORKING IN A LOT BETTER ENVIRONMENT THAN WHAT THEY'VE SERVED IN THE LAST 40 PLUS YEARS. AND IT'LL ACTUALLY HOLD OUR FLEET IN THE BUILDING. UM, AND THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT, UH, BJ AND THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT HAVE WORKED ON FOR OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR. AND IT WASN'T EASY, BUT THANK YOU. WITH NO TAX INCREASE. YES. UH, MAYOR, UH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, UH, TACK ON TO WHAT, UH, COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS HAS SAID. UH, KUDOS TO BJ, BJ, BJ, BJ FOR, UH, HIS HARD WORK AND GETTING A BALANCED BUDGET OUT OF THIS AS WELL AS OUR, UH, TOWN MANAGER JOE WALTZ, UH, AND, UH, STAFF. UH, IT AIN'T EASY, BUT, UH, THEY GOT IT DONE. MADAM MAYOR, IF I COULD AN, IF I COULD ALSO TACK ON, UM, THIS WAS MY FIRST YEAR IN THE PROCESS, I WANNA SAY THAT THEY WERE VERY ORGANIZED, THAT THE INFORMATION THEY GAVE US WAS THE CULMINATION OF MANY MONTHS OF, UH, PRESENTING INFORMATION. AND IT WAS PRESENTED IN SUCH A WAY THAT ALLOWED GOOD DETAILED INQUIRY BY US. AND THEY WERE VERY RESPONSIVE TO ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS. UM, NO MATTER HOW, UM, UNENLIGHTENED, WE WERE ABOUT THE [00:40:01] PROCESS. AND, UH, JUST TO REITERATE, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF WORK, A LOT OF, A LOT OF NUMBERS, BUT THEY ARE PREPARED ALWAYS TO GIVE ANSWERS. SO THAT'S GREAT. ANYBODY ELSE? I, I DID WANNA SAY, UM, OBVIOUSLY KUDOS TO BJ, BUT I DID, UM, UH, MR. WALTZ WALKED INTO THIS ROLE IN DECEMBER AND, UM, PROBABLY KNEW THAT OUR GOAL WAS TO NOT RAISE TAXES. UM, AND SO YOU DID IT AND, AND, AND WERE ABLE TO, UH, AS, AS AMBER SAID, MAKE THINGS HAPPEN THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN. AND THAT'S, THAT IS CHALLENGING. BRUCE. IS IT AIN'T EASY. UM, I'M NOT GONNA SAY AIN'T CUZ I DON'T LET MY KIDS SAY I'M NOT JUST KIDDING. ANYWAY, UM, SO IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO OFFER, WE'RE GONNA DO A ROLL CALL. COUNCILWOMAN DITA. MONICA PAYNE. YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS? YES. VICE MAYOR SEAK? YES. OKAY. [7.D. Special Use Permit for Lodging House at 200 N. Royal Avenue for Warren Coalition ] SO ITEM 70 D IS A SPECIAL USE PER PERMIT FOR LODGING HOUSE AT 200 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE FOR THE WARREN COALITION. MS. PRESLEY, WOULD YOU MIND READING THE SUMMARY? COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUESTED BY THE WARREN COALITION FOR A LODGING HOUSE AT 200 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C DASH TWO DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT AND LOCATED IN HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS ASKING PERMISSION TO HAVE A LODGING HOME FOR NO MORE THAN NINE MALES FOR APPROXIMATELY SIX TO NINE MONTHS DAYS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH 15TH WITH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS. NUMBER ONE, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LODGING ROOMS OR UNITS SHALL NOT EXCEED 10 AND TWO, THE APPLICANT IS TO PROVIDE PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE EIGHT SPACES. THANK YOU MS. PRESLEY. I'M GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, WE HAVE 11 SIGNED UP. OKAY. SO, UM, JUST AS WE SAID BEFORE, UM, IF YOU LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, WAIT TO BE RECOGNIZED AND COME FORWARD. WE ARE GOING TO KEEP THIS TO THREE MINUTES. THAT'S NOT BEEN MY STRONG SUIT, BUT I'M GONNA DO A MUCH BETTER JOB AT IT TONIGHT. UM, SO, UH, AND IF YOU DID NOT GET TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY AT THE END TOO. OKAY. WHO IS OUR FIRST SPEAKER? DIANA LIEBER. OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF IF YOU DON'T MIND, SO THAT YOU GET A PERSPECTIVE OF WHERE I'M COMING FROM. I'M RETIRED AIR FORCE, A MILITARY WORKING DOG. I RETIRED AS A MASTER SERGEANT IN 1994. FROM THERE I JOINED US CUSTOM SERVICE, WHICH LATER BECAME OF COURSE THE CUSTOMS AND BOARD OF PROTECTION UNDER THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY. I WORKED WITH THAT FOR 16 YEARS. THE LAST SIX YEARS WAS DONE DOWNTOWN WHERE IN THE HEADQUARTERS WHERE I WAS, UH, PART OF A CUSTOMS TRADE PARTNERSHIP AGAINST TERRORISM. SO I DID A TERRORIST ANTI-TERRORISM PROGRAM WHEN I RETIRED. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN FRONT ROYAL SINCE 2000 AND WHEN I RETIRED MR. UBER, CAN I JUST GET YOU TO STATE YOUR AD? I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY WHEN YOU SAID YOU, YOU'VE BEEN IN FRONT ROYAL, YOUR ADDRESS. MY ADDRESS IS 58 WESTMINSTER DRIVE. OKAY. AND YES, I MOVED INTO, OH, I'LL GOOD FRONT ROYAL IN 2000, WHEN I RETIRED IN 2011 FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, I WANTED, MY WHOLE LIFE HAS BEEN ABOUT HELPING THE COMMUNITIES I LIVED IN. SO I ACTUALLY WORKED AS A CASE MANAGER FOR FIVE YEARS WITH THE HOUSE OF HOPE. FROM THERE, I WAS APPROACHED BY THE HUMANE SOCIETY AND THE JAIL TO DO A DOG PROGRAM BECAUSE I'M A DOG TRAINER BY TRADE AND I DID A DOG PROGRAM IN THERE FOR TWO YEARS. AFTER THAT, THE SUPERINTENDENT WANTED TO START A SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER PROGRAM. SO I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THAT NOW FOR FOUR YEARS. PEOPLE WHO STRUGGLE WITH SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER ARE ON OUR STREETS RIGHT NOW, DYING OF OVERDOSES. THEY'RE GETTING ARRESTED, THEY'RE BEING PUT IN JAIL AND THEN LET OUT AND THEY'RE BACK ON OUR STREETS. THEY'RE DEALING DOPE. THEY'RE DYING OF OVERDOSES. THEY NEED SOME HOPE. THE GREATEST HOPE THAT AS SOMEONE THAT STRUGGLES WITH SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER IS OTHERS THAT HAVE FOUND RECOVERY. THIS HOUSE IS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE, HAVE COMPLETED PROGRAMS AND ARE WANTING TO CONTINUE ON WITH THEIR RECOVERY. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE LIKE IT IN THIS AREA. THIS IS PRECEDENT SETTING. AND I THINK IT'S CRITICAL FOR THOSE WHO ARE WANTING TO RECOVER FROM THEIR AB UH, THEIR SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER. AND [00:45:01] I THINK IT'S CRITICAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO WELCOME THOSE WHO WANT TO BE OFF THE STREETS, WHO WANNA QUIT DEALING DRUGS, WHO WANNA QUIT DYING OF OVERDOSES, TO HAVE SOMEPLACE TO GO THAT'S POSITIVE AND THAT IS RECOVERY ORIENTED. PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT THIS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE ARE HAVING OVERDOSES REPEATEDLY IN THIS COMMUNITY. THE POLICE ARE HAVING TO ARREST THEM, WE'RE PAYING FOR JAILS TO KEEP THEM AND HOUSE THEM, AND THEN WE LET 'EM OUTTA JAIL AND THEY'RE BACK OUT ON THE STREETS. THIS GIVES THEM A WAY OF HOPE AND IT ENCOURAGES OTHERS TO FIND RECOVERY. SO HOPEFULLY I'VE STAYED WITHIN MY THREE MINUTES. I THINK I DID. THE BUZZER DIDN'T GO OFF, SO YOU MUST HAVE DONE IT. . YOU'RE A FAST TALKER. YOU DID. THERE IT GOES. SEE? YES. YOU MUST HAVE DONE FORENSICS AND YOU'RE DONE. . MS. PRESLEY, WHO'S NEXT? HUGH MCGEE. MY NAME IS HUGH MCGEE. MY ADDRESS IS 96 MARSH LANE, WHITE POST VIRGINIA UP THE STREET. I'VE BEEN SERVING THE COMMUNITY IN FRONT ROYAL FOR MANY, MANY YEARS NOW WITH THE MICRO RECOVERY CENTER. UM, I AM A PERSON IN LONG-TERM RECOVERY. I GOT TRICKED INTO TRYING, UH, AA UH, JUNE 10TH, 1970. I HAVEN'T FOUND IT NECESSARY TO TAKE A DRINK OR A DRUG SINCE THEN. AND, UH, I HAVE HAD THE HONOR TO BE ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE IN THE JAIL THROUGH MY RECOVERY CENTER. I ACTUALLY RETIRED AND WENT TO WORK, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RECOVERY CENTER. AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS SO EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT THE DISEASE IS A DISEASE OF ISOLATION. IT IS OUR INABILITY TO FORM LASTING RELATIONSHIPS THAT IS AT THE CORE OF OUR ISSUE. AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S NO SINGLE BETTER PLACE TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION. THEY SAY THAT THE ANTIDOTE FOR ADDICTION IS CONNECTION. THESE SMALL HOMES CREATE A VAST OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET AND STAY IN LONG-TERM RECOVERY. IT'S ONE OF THE, THE BEST USES OF A SMALL SPACE TO IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY. I AM ALSO A MEMBER OF THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF THE NORTHERN SHENANDOAH VALLEY SUBSTANCE ABUSE COALITION. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST DEFICITS IN THE VALLEY, IS THESE HOUSES THAT ARE SELF-SUPPORTING AND BRINGING LIGHT AND HOPE TO THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MS. PRESLEY. MICHAEL HALL, OR HALL, I'M SORRY. HI, YES, I'M MICHAEL HALL. I LIVE AT FOUR 13 WEST SPRING STREET, WOODSTOCK, VIRGINIA. I AM A PEER RECOVERY SPECIALIST WITH THE WARREN COALITION AND I WILL ALSO BE THE HOUSE MANAGER IF YOU ALL APPROVE THE HOUSE. UH, I TOO AM IN LONG-TERM RECOVERY. I HAVE ALMOST TWO YEARS CLEAN AND SOBER NOW. AND MUCH LIKE OTHERS HAS SAID, IT'S THE HOPE YOU GET FROM EVERYBODY ELSE THAT CAME BEFORE YOU. I'VE BEEN IN THE JAILS MYSELF. I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE A COMPLETE STRANGER GO OUT OF HER WAY TO HELP ME GET INTO A REHAB. AND IT COMPLETELY CHANGED MY LIFE. AND WHEN I GOT HOME, I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE A MOTHER WHO WOULD STILL TAKE ME BACK INTO HER HOME. AND EVERYBODY IS NOT AS FORTUNATE AS I AM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT. LIKE, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS HOUSE IS FOR. LIKE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND MOST OF US, LIKE WE'RE NOT USED TO HAVING PEOPLE THAT WANT TO HELP US. AND WE'RE NOT USED TO ACCEPTING HELP MOST OF THE TIME. LIKE, IT'S HARD TO WAKE UP EVERY MORNING WHEN YOU'RE IN YOUR ACTIVE ADDICTION AND YOU LOOK AT THE PERSON IN THE MIRROR AND YOU HATE YOURSELF. AND I HOPE NOBODY EVER HAS TO FEEL THAT. BUT IN REALITY THAT'S HOW WE FEEL. LIKE IT'S NOT A GREAT FEELING. YOU DON'T WANT TO FEEL THAT WAY. AND WHEN YOU OPEN THIS HOUSE, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET IS ME AND THE OTHERS FROM THE COALITION THERE TO SUPPORT PEOPLE. LIKE WE WILL HELP THEM FIND JOBS. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A CURFEW THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE LOTS OF SECURITY CAMERAS TO WATCH OVER EVERYTHING. LIKE THEY ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO ATTEND NA MEETINGS WITH US. LIKE WE'RE GONNA PUT THEM ON A PATH TO SUCCESS THAT OTHER PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO WANT THEM TO HAVE FOR SOME REASON. LIKE, WHY? I DON'T KNOW. LIKE, WE'RE JUST AS VALUABLE AS ANYBODY ELSE. WHILE I WAS IN REHAB, I MET SOME OF THE MOST INTELLIGENT AND GIFTED HUMAN BEINGS IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. MY ONE FRIEND FROM THERE IS A PHENOMENAL ARTIST AND HE CURRENTLY PAID PORTRAITS AND THINGS FOR PEOPLE AND SELLS THEM BECAUSE HE GOT BACK ON HIS FEET BECAUSE SOMEBODY IN BRISTOL TOOK HIM INTO A RECOVERY HOUSE AND GAVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET ON HIS FEET. LIKE, AND YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. [00:50:01] LIKE, I TOOK SOMEBODY TO TREATMENT NOT THAT LONG AGO AND HE WAS A FRIEND OF MINE AND HE GAVE ME A GIANT HUG AND HE TOLD ME HE LOVED ME AND HE THANKED ME AND EVERYBODY FROM THE COALITION FOR HELPING HIM GET IN THERE. BUT I HAD TO DRIVE HIM ALL THE WAY TO NEWPORT NEWS TO DO THAT. AND HE IS FROM FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA. HE'S FROM YOUR BACKYARD. HE LIVES THREE STREETS OVER PROBABLY. BUT NO, I HAD TO TAKE HIM ALL THE WAY TO NEWPORT NEWS TO GET HELP CUZ THAT'S WHERE HE, HE NEEDED TO GO. BUT HE WANTS TO COME BACK TO THE AREA. HE WANTS TO GIVE BACK. LIKE OTHERS, LIKE I GREW UP IN SHENANDOAH COUNTY MY WHOLE LIFE. MY COUNSELORS AND STUFF DID NOT WANT ME TO COME HOME, BUT I WANTED TO COME BACK TO THE AREA I GREW UP IN AND GIVE BACK AND HELP PEOPLE IN THE SAME PLACE THAT I GREW UP, GET OVER THEIR STRUGGLES AND SHOW THEM THAT THERE'S A BETTER WAY OF LIFE. BECAUSE THERE IS, LIKE I SAID, WE ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS ANYBODY ELSE AND WE DESERVE A SHOT AT REDEMPTION. NOW DOES EVERYBODY GET IT? NO, THAT'S UNREALISTIC. LIKE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S NO REASON WHY YOU CAN'T GIVE THEM THE HOPE TO MAYBE GET THAT ONE DAY. AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. I APPRECIATE THE TIME. THANK YOU MR. HALL. MR. PRESLEY, WHO DO WE HAVE NEXT? BRANDON BUTLER. BRANDON BUTLER. HELLO, MY NAME IS BRANDON BUTLER. I LIVE AT 1972 ARTS ROAD, WOODSTOCK, VIRGINIA. UM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU. I'M YOUR SON, YOUR NEPHEW, YOUR GRANDSON, A CLASSMATE OR YOUR NEIGHBOR. I'VE LIVED 23 YEARS OF MY LIFE, UH, ACTIVELY AED TO DRUGS AND ALCOHOL. I OWE EVERY DAY, EVERY MINUTE, AND EVERY HOUR OF MY SOBRIETY TO PROGRAMS LIKE THE WAR AND COALITION TO MY SPONSOR, UH, TO MEN LIKE HUEY MCGEE, UH, AT, AT RIVERDALE RECOVERY THAT DEDICATE THEIR LIVES TO TRYING TO SHARE STRENGTH, HOPE, AND ENCOURAGEMENT TO THE MEN AND WOMEN LIKE ME WHO STRUGGLE EVERY DAY WITH ACTIVE ADDICTION, TRYING TO OUTRUN DARK HORSES THAT JUST PLAGUE OUR LIVES. UM, AN ADDICT IN RECOVERY WHO'S LIVING A SOBER LIFE IN A SOBER LIVING ENVIRONMENT HAS A VERY HIGH EXPECTATION FOR ACCOUNTABILITY, RULES AND STRUCTURE THAT TEACH US THE RESPONSIBILITY AND TO BE A PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF SOCIETY. UH, WE'RE NOT A THREAT TO A COMMUNITY. WHAT IS A THREAT TO COMMUNITY IS COMPLACENCY AND NEGLECT TO A GROWING SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROBLEM IN OUR AREA. UM, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO BE OBTUSE OR HAVE AN ATTITUDE OF INDIFFERENCE TOWARDS ADDICTION AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE. OUR LIVES ARE AT STAKE AND WE NEED THAT HOPE, THAT GUIDING LIGHT, THAT LIGHTHOUSE IN, IN A STORM. AND THAT'S WHAT I FOUND TO ONE COALITION IN RIVERDALE RECOVERY AND THESE PEOPLE THAT DEDICATE THEIR LIVES TO TRYING TO SAVE MY LIFE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. BUTLER. MRS. PRESLEY, FRED ARENA III. HI, MY NAME IS FRED ARENA III. AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. I AM RIGHT NOW AT RIVENDALE RECOVERY CENTER. I AM CURRENTLY 12 DAYS CLEANING THIS SOBER, AND IT HAS BEEN A STRUGGLE FOR ME. UH, FOR A WHILE. I'VE BEEN IN AND OUT OF THE ROOMS OF THE PROGRAM, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN EPIDEMIC AND PEOPLE ARE DYING EVERY DAY. IN FACT, I'VE LOST A FEW FRIENDS TO THIS. AND IF THERE'S NO, UH, SOLUTION, THEN PEOPLE ARE JUST GONNA KEEP DYING. IF THERE'S NO HELP, THEN WE'RE NOT REALLY HELPING THE COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. ARENA, AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR, UH, 12 DAYS. THAT'S WONDERFUL. RUSTY SOUTHERLY. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S RUSTY SOUTHERLY. I LIVE AT 6 28 WATSON AVENUE IN WINCHESTER. UM, I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK ON, UH, THE WARREN COLLISION. UM, I'M LITTLE BACKGROUND. I'VE, ON AUGUST 28TH, I'LL HAVE THREE YEARS SOBER AND CLEAN. UM, I GOT OUTTA JAIL THIS LAST TIME AND [00:55:01] I WENT INTO A HALFWAY HOUSE. AND AS I WAS GETTING OUTTA THE HALFWAY HOUSE, I HAD PLACES I COULD GO, BUT, UM, I MADE A DECISION THAT I DIDN'T WANNA PUT MYSELF BACK IN A BAD SITUATION. AND, UM, I REACHED OUT TO THE WARRANT COLLISION AND THEY WOUND UP HELPING ME GET INTO A OXFORD HOUSE. AND I WANTED, I, IF I COULD HAVE, I WOULD'VE CAME TO EITHER SHANDOR COUNTY OR, UH, HERE IN FRONT ROW. UM, I GOT A LOT OF FAMILY IN THIS AREA, BUT THEY WOUND UP HELPING ME HELP ME GET INTO AN OXFORD HOUSE IN WINCHESTER. UM, THEY HAVE HELPED ME GET BOOTS FOR WORK. THEY HAVE HELPED ME GET TO WORK. THEY HAVE HELPED ME GET A JOB. UM, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH FOR THIS. THESE PEOPLE, I MEAN, THEY'RE AMAZING. THEY, THEY'VE BEEN HERE AND BEEN, I MEAN, ANYTIME I NEED TO TALK TO 'EM ABOUT ANYTHING, THEY'RE THERE. THEY CHECK UP ON ME. THEY'RE AMAZING PEOPLE. UM, I THINK WARREN COUNTY REALLY NEEDS, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN ON THE STREETS HERE, I'VE LIVED HERE, UM, AND IT REALLY NEEDS THIS, IT REALLY NEEDS ONE OF THESE HOMES. AND IT, IF ANY WAY, LIKE I WAS TAUGHT A LONG TIME AGO, YOU NEVER LOOK DOWN ON SOMEBODY UNLESS YOU'RE OFFERING THEM HAND UP, YOU KNOW? AND I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY DESERVES A CHANCE AT, AT LIFE. AND THEY'RE OFFERING THAT. I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S HAD SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN AFFLICTED WITH THE DISEASE OF A ALCOHOLISM OR DRUG ADDICTION. I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE KNOWN PEOPLE THAT HAVE PASSED FROM ALCOHOLISM AND DRUG ADDICTION. THEY MIGHT BE SAVING ONE PERSON'S LIFE IF THEY DO THAT. AIN'T IT WORTH IT? IT'D BE WORTH IT. JUST THE SAME ONE, ONE PERSON'S LIFE. JUST, THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. SUTHERLY. CHRISTINE MAHONEY. HELLO. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. I'M CHRISTINE MAHONEY AND UM, MY ADDRESS IS 7 0 5 WEST 11TH STREET. UM, HERE IN FRONT ROYAL. I'M ACTUALLY CURRENTLY, UM, RESIDING IN WINCHESTER DUE TO LACK OF, UH, SOBER LIVING IN FRONT ROYAL. UM, AT FIRST I HAD TO GO THREE HOURS AWAY TO RICHMOND FOR TREATMENT. UM, I HAVE ACTUALLY SPENT 21 YEARS OF MY LIFE IN ACTIVE ADDICTION IN WARREN COUNTY. UM, LIKE I SAID, I HAD TO GO THREE HOURS AWAY TO GET TREATMENT BECAUSE I WASN'T AWARE THAT TREATMENT WAS EVEN AN OPTION. I HAD NO IDEA THAT I EVEN HAD A PROBLEM UNTIL A PLACE LIKE THIS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO OPEN HERE, YOU KNOW, WAS BROUGHT TO ME IN THE JAIL. AND, UM, THERE'S NO MORE, THERE'S NO BETTER MOTIVATION IN MY RECOVERY THAN SEEING SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN WHERE I'M AT. SOMEBODY THAT I GOT HIGH WITH THAT IS DOING BRIGHT. IF THEY CAN DO IT, I KNOW I CAN DO IT TYPE OF THING. SO, UM, WARREN COALITION HAS BEEN A HUGE HELP IN MY HELPING MYSELF TO STAY SOBER FROM HELPING ME GET MY LICENSE, REENTRY CLASSES, COUNSELING, UM, PEER RECOVERY. THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. THERE'S ANGER MANAGEMENT AND THE, THE HOUSE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO OPEN IS, I'D RATHER HAVE RECOVERING PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY THAN PEOPLE IN ACTIVE ADDICTION. THEY'RE HERE REGARDLESS. NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE. SO, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MS. PRESLEY. WHO DO WE HAVE NEXT? JAMES FUNKHOUSER. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S JAMES FUNK COWER ADDRESS IS 5 47 WASHINGTON STREET, WOODSTOCK, VIRGINIA. I'M A PEER RECOVERY SPECIALIST WITH THE WARREN COALITION. I'M ALSO A PERSON IN LONG-TERM RECOVERY. ACTUALLY JUST CELEBRATED FOUR YEARS CLEAN IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, YOU KNOW. UM, SO MY JOB, I'M GONNA BE PART OF THE, ONE OF THE ONES THAT ARE SUPERVISING THIS HOUSE AS A WHOLE. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, QUITE A FEW OF US THAT ARE INVOLVED. AND THIS HOUSE, LIKE IN THE COMMUNITY, SINCE I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR THE COALITION EIGHT LAST 18 MONTHS, I HAVE SENT OVER 50 PEOPLE OR HELPED 50 PEOPLE APPROXIMATELY GO TO TREATMENT. AND OUT OF THOSE 50 THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY WANT, IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO COME HOME. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF 'EM DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO TO. YOU KNOW, THEY, AND THEY, THEIR FAMILY, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THEIR FAMILIES BACK, THEIR KIDS BACK, AND THEY'RE ENDED UP HAVING TO GO BACK INTO THE SAME ENVIRONMENT THAT THEY WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN BECAUSE [01:00:01] WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GO INTO PLACES LIKE THAT, LIKE WAS TALKED ABOUT BEFORE ME, LIKE WE'RE HAVING TO TAKE 'EM TO NEWPORT NEWS, RICHMOND, ROCKWELL, MARYLAND, YOU KNOW, ARLINGTON, ALEXANDRIA, STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, ABLE TO GET THAT FAMILY SUPPORT BACK, BE AROUND THEIR KIDS, STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING WELL. YOU KNOW, THIS HOUSE IS GONNA BE DESIGNED TO HELP THEM GET THEIR FAMILIES BACK OR, YOU KNOW, RECONNECT WITH THEIR FAMILIES. JOB TRAINING, JOB PLACEMENT. THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF ACCOUNTABILITY, YOU KNOW, WITH, THEY'RE GONNA BE TESTED RANDOMLY THROUGHOUT THE WEEK, THROUGHOUT THE MONTHS. WE'RE ALSO GONNA, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THEM COUNSELING FOR, FOR SUBSTANCE ABUSE. WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE JUST GONNA PROVIDE THEM. WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE THEM WITH ALL THE SUPPORT THEY NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL. YOU KNOW, LIKE THROUGH WORKING WITH PEOPLE FOR THE LAST 18 MONTHS, I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY'S NOT GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL. IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY IT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW? BUT WHEN SOMEBODY IS NOT SUCCESSFUL, EVEN AT, AT THIS, WE'RE GONNA ALSO TRY TO HELP THEM BE SUCCESSFUL. BUT WILL THEY BE ABLE TO STAY IN THIS HOUSE? YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF THEY RELAPSE, THEY'RE NOT, AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO, BUT WE'RE GONNA HELP 'EM GET BACK INTO TREATMENT. WE'RE GONNA HELP 'EM, YOU KNOW, TRY TO CONTINUE THIS PROCESS CUZ WE'RE RECOVERING FROM ADDICTION IS, IT'S A PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD. IT'S NOT, IT'S THE HARDEST THING I'VE EVER DONE IN MY LIFE. BUT WITH THE BRIGHT SUPPORT, YOU CAN'T BE SUCCESSFUL. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. FUNKHOUSER. MICHELLE SMELTZER. HI, I'M MICHELLE SMELTZER. I'M AT SIX MORAN STREET HERE IN FRONT ROYAL. I JUST, UH, I'M UP HERE TO SUPPORT, UH, THIS PROGRAM. UM, I WORK CLOSELY WITH THE, UH, WARREN COALITION AND HAVE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND THERE IS NO BETTER ORGANIZATION TO PUT A PROGRAM LIKE THIS IN PLACE HERE IN FRONT ROYAL. THEY'RE PHENOMENAL. THEY HAVE A TEAM OF PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND KNOW HOW TO WORK WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE IN RECOVERY. AND, UM, IT IS SO NEEDED. HERE. I WORK WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE IN ACTIVE ADDICTION. I WORK WITH PEOP. TRYING TO GET THEM INTO, UM, INTO RECOVERY IS CHALLENGING. AND ONCE THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE IN ANOTHER CITY, THEY'RE IN ANOTHER COUNTY, THEY'RE IN NOBODY'S LOCAL. AND WHEN THEY COME HOME, THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THEM TO GO. REALLY, YOU KNOW, HOUSE OF HOPE. WE, WE ARE, UM, WE DO DRUG TESTING, WE DO, UH, BREATHALYZERS EVERY NIGHT, BUT WE'RE A SMALL HOUSE AND SO WE'RE, WE TURN PEOPLE AWAY EVERY DAY. BUT, UM, THIS IS MUCH NEEDED AND I, I HOPE YOU VOTE FOR IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. BELSER. CELESTE BROOKS. HELLO, MY NAME IS CELESTE BROOKS, 16 LAKESIDE DRIVE, FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA. I AM THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH COORDINATOR FOR THE WARREN COALITION, AND I HAVE A LETTER FROM TINA JOHNSON OF 1 0 5, LITTLE INDIAN ROAD FRONT, ROYAL VIRGINIA. TINA COULD NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING AND ASKED ME TO READ THIS LETTER ON HER BEHALF THIS WEEKEND. MY YOUNGEST BROTHER IS COMING HOME FROM BOSTON SO THAT WE CAN CELEBRATE MY MOTHER'S 70TH BIRTHDAY. AS A FAMILY, THIS WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE IF NOT FOR THE FACT THAT 20 YEARS AGO SHE WAS RELEASED FROM THE STATE PENITENTIARY IN GLAND, VIRGINIA. HAVING SERVED HER TIME AND ENTERED A HALFWAY HOUSE, RECEIVED THE MENTAL HEALTHCARE AND LEARNED LIFE SKILLS AND HER POTENTIAL, SHE WAS FACING A VERY LONG SENTENCE IF SHE RE-OFFENDED AS SHE HAD DONE CONTINUOUSLY THROUGHOUT HER ADULT LIFE. THIS TIME WAS DIFFERENT BECAUSE SHE WAS SAFE IN A SPACE WITHOUT ABUSE IN A PLACE TO RECOVER. AND A MENTOR HELPED HER START TAKING CLASSES AT COMMUNITY COLLEGE. FROM THERE, SHE GOT HER BA AND TWO MASTER'S DEGREES. SHE BECAME A LICENSED CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER, AND SHE WORKED HELPING KIDS GET THEIR G E D AND REBUILD THEIR LIVES. AFTER BEING INVOLVED IN THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM, SHE TAUGHT THEM LIFE SKILLS THAT SHE LEARNED IN HER FIFTIES. YOU SEE, HER MOTHER GAVE BIRTH TO HER AT AGE 13, AND OF COURSE THERE'S MUCH MORE TO THE STORY, BUT SHE PROVIDED THESE TEENAGERS WITH WHAT HER MOTHER COULD NOT PROVIDE HER AND ME, HER DAUGHTER. I PUT MYSELF THROUGH COLLEGE AND WAS IN GRADUATE SCHOOL. WHEN SHE STARTED COMMUNITY COLLEGE. I WAS NOT ABLE TO FORGIVE HER FOR A WHILE OR TRUST THAT SHE WOULD CONTINUE ON THIS GOOD PATH UNTIL ONE DAY WHEN SHE WAS TELLING ME ABOUT WHAT SHE DID FOR THESE TEENAGERS, MY ANGER BLEW BURNED BLUE HOT THINKING OF WHAT MY BROTHERS AND I HAD TO DO ON HER OWN. AND I AS MUCH SAID TO HER, SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE WAS DOING THESE THINGS FOR THEM BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T DO THEM FOR US. I HAD PUT HER ON THE SPOT AND HER RESPONSE WAS IMMEDIATE, UNREHEARSED, HONEST. ON THAT DAY, I FORGAVE HER AND I GREW UP A LOT BY SEEING THAT SHE WAS ABLE TO HEAL HERSELF BY BREAKING A FAM CYCLE OF FAMILY TRAUMA AND USING THAT EXPERIENCE TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE. AND [01:05:01] I COULD SEE MY LATE GRANDMOTHER WOULD'VE FELT GREAT HEALING HAD SHE LIVED TO WITNESS THIS. NOW, IT'S NOT A HALLMARK MOVIE OF THE WEEK, NONE OF IT WAS PERFECT. BUT A FACILITY SUCH AS THE WARREN COALITION WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE OUR TOWN SAVED MY MOTHER. IT HELPED HER TO HELP OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY. IT HELPED HER HER TO BECOME MY MOTHER. IT ALLOWED A MAKING OF AMENDS TO HER MOTHER WHO NEVER HAD A CHANCE IN HER LIFE. THESE FACILITIES WON'T JUST HELP INDIVIDUALS. THEY WILL HELP BUILD HEALTHY FAMILIES AND A HEALTHIER COMMUNITY. AND WE DESPERATELY NEED THIS FOR OUR TOWN. WE NEED A SAFE COMMUNITY THAT HELPS EACH OTHER LIVE BETTER LIVES. THAT IS HOW THE INTERVENTION NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND THEN THE OTHER GOOD WORKS OF THE WARREN COALITION'S FOCUS ON PREVENTION. I SPENT 10 YEARS STUDYING CHILD DEVELOPMENT AND 20 SERVING CHILDREN AND FAMILIES. I DON'T SAY THESE THINGS WITHOUT THE WEIGHT OF THIS KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME. MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE RIGHT HERE IN FRONT ROYAL, AND WE LOVE OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. BROOKS. AND THE LAST ONE SIGNED UP AS KRISTA SHIFFLET. GOOD EVENING Y'ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. I'M KRISTA SHIFFLET. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT THE WARREN COALITION. I LIVE AT 3 0 5 HUNTERS ROAD IN WINCHESTER, VIRGINIA. AND I'M GONNA TELL A STORY. I WAS IN BALTIMORE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO AT AN ADDICTIONS CONFERENCE RIGHT DOWN IN THE INNER HARBOR. I WAS OUT ON A BREAK AND A VERY GOOD LOOKING YOUNG MAN CAME OVER TO ME WITH TRACK MARKS ACTIVELY BLEEDING, RUNNING DOWN HIS ARMS. AND HE SAID TO ME, CAN I ASK YOU SOMETHING? AND I SAID, YES. AND HE POINTED TO A VERY NICELY DRESSED MAN BY THE HOTEL. HE SAID, DO YOU SEE THAT MAN OVER THERE? AND I SAID, YEAH. AND HE SAID, HE DROPPED A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY ON THE GROUND. AND I WENT OVER AND HELPED HIM PICK THAT UP. AND I SAID, CAN I ASK YOU SOMETHING? AND HE SAID, NO. AND HIS WIFE SAID NOTHING. AND HE SAID, THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING ME. AND HE SAID, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA ASK YOU FOR MONEY. I SAID, OH, HUN, I WOULDN'T GIVE YOU ANY MONEY. AND HE SAID, BUT MY FRIEND AND I POINTED TO A FRIEND ON THE BENCH ARE REALLY HUNGRY, AND I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD FEED ME. SO THEY TALKED ABOUT GOING TO A PLACE WITH SEVERAL BLOCKS AWAY. AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, I'M ON A BREAK. I HAVE A FRIEND AT THE CONFERENCE. IF SHE'S WILLING TO COME, I'LL WALK WITH YOU, BUT I CAN'T GO THAT FAR. SO WE WALKED A LITTLE BIT. MY FRIEND CAME OUT IN THE GREEN, WE WALKED AND HE SHOWED ME WHERE THEY WERE SLEEPING ON THE BRICKS WITH THEIR BLANKETS. THIS KID WAS ABOUT 18. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT LIFE WAS LIKE ON THE STREET, AND IF YOU DIDN'T GET TO A CHURCH EARLY IN THE MORNING, YOU DIDN'T EAT ALL DAY. AND I FED 'EM AT STARBUCKS. AND THE THE PLANNING WENT IN TO GIVE THEM A MEAL WAS INCREDIBLE. I SAID, GET WHATEVER YOU WANT. I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH IT COSTS, JUST GET FOOD. AND THEY TURNED WHEN I WENT LEFT AND PAID THE BILL, AND I SAID, THANK YOU. AND I SAID, I HOPE YOU GUYS FIND A WAY TO GET WELL. AND AS I WALKED OUT OF THAT ROOM, ALL I THOUGHT WAS, IF THAT WAS MY 18 YEAR OLD SON ON THE STREET IN BALTIMORE, HOW WOULD I WANT SOMEONE TO TREAT THEM? AND PEOPLE MATTER. THESE ARE NOT INVISIBLE PEOPLE. WE LIKE TO PRETEND THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO TO HELP. SO WE JUST IGNORE AND HOPE THAT'LL GO AWAY. AND TO ALL OF YOU IN THIS ROOM WHO ARE INACTIVE RECOVERY OR LOVE SOMEONE IN ACTIVE RECOVERY, I LOVE ALL OF YOU. YOU HAVE SO MUCH COURAGE, AND YOU GIVE ME HOPE EVERY DAY WHEN I SEE YOU OVERCOME SUCH DIFFICULT THINGS. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BE A PART OF MY, YOUR LIVES. IT'S SUCH AN HONOR. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND OFFER THE HOPE, PURPOSE, DIRECTION, AND CONNECTION THAT PEOPLE NEED TO GET. WELL, I WOULD WANT THAT FROM MY SON. I HOPE YOU WOULD WANT THAT FOR YOUR CHILDREN IF YOU HAVE THEM. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING, AND I HOPE WE CAN GET THIS HOUSE OPEN AND WE CAN START TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO PEOPLE WHO DO MATTER AND ARE NOT INVISIBLE IN THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. SCHIFFLER. SO, MS. PRESLEY, NO ONE ELSE IS SIGNED UP, CORRECT, BUT I WANNA GIVE ANYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS VALERIE HAYES. I LIVE AT 78 SUMMIT MANOR DRIVE HERE IN FRONT ROYAL. BUT I'M HERE TONIGHT, UM, FOR SEVERAL REASONS. UM, I, YOU CAN SEE I'M AN EPISCOPAL PRIEST AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF CALVARY EPISCOPAL CHURCH. CALVARY EPISCOPAL CHURCH, OUR CHURCH AND OUR OFFICE BUILDING OUR DIRECT NEIGHBORS TO THE HOUSE ON 200 NORTH ROYAL. AND, UM, WE WERE DIRECT NEIGHBORS WHEN NORTHWESTERN SERVICES HAD THE HOUSE AS A GROUP HOME SUPPORTING THOSE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS. BUT I'M ALSO HERE TONIGHT AS SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY ALCOHOLISM MY ENTIRE LIFE. MY FATHER WAS AN ALCOHOLIC AND HE NEVER FOUND RECOVERY. HE HAD A PHD AND HE FUNCTIONED AND TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD, HE WAS [01:10:01] AN AMAZING MAN. BUT HIS LIFE AND HIS ADDICTION WROUGHT DESTRUCTION IN OUR FAMILY. I HAVE A BROTHER WHO'S IN ACTIVE RECOVERY NOW FOR THREE YEARS, AND IT'S BEEN A STRUGGLE. SO I AM HERE TO UNEQUIVOCALLY SUPPORT THE LANDING AND WARREN COALITION IN OFFERING THIS PROGRAM IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT IS DESPERATELY NEEDED. I'VE ALSO BEEN A HOSPITAL CHAPLAIN, A CLINICAL HOSPITAL CHAPLAIN. SO I'VE WORKED IN THAT CONTEXT, WORKING BOTH WITH PATIENTS AND WITH FAMILIES, AND ALSO SEEING THE REPERCU, UH, REPERCUSSIONS OF SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER. SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER NOW HAS BEEN RESEARCHED FOR DECADES. IT IS MUCH BETTER. UNDERSTOOD. IT IS NOT A PROBLEM OF THE WILL. IT IS A BRAIN DISEASE AND A PHYSIOLOGICAL DISEASE, AND IT IS TREATABLE. PEOPLE WITH ADDICTION, WE ALL KNOW. WE, WE KNOW NOW THROUGH RESEARCH ALMOST ALWAYS HAVE ALONG WITH ADDICTION ISSUES OF CLINICAL DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY. AND THOSE THINGS TOGETHER BECOME A CYCLE. AND BECAUSE THOSE THINGS TOGETHER AFFECT PHYSIOLOGICAL BODY AND THE MIND AND THE SPIRIT, THEY REQUIRE A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO TREATMENT AND SUPPORT. SO PEOPLE LIVE INTO THE PROMISE OF LONG-TERM RECOVERY. I HAVE CLERGY COLLEAGUES, BISHOPS, PARISHIONERS, WHO HAVE ALL BEEN IN LONG-TERM RECOVERY, AND THEY ALL GOT THERE BECAUSE THEY HAD SUPPORT. MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ALSO LIVE AT A CERTAIN LEVEL OF, UM, RELATIVE WEALTH. BUT IF YOU LIVE RIGHT ON THE FINANCIAL EDGE OR STRUGGLE WITH POVERTY OR STRUGGLE WITH MAINTAINING A JOB, THE RISK TO FALL BACK INTO ADDICTION IS MAGNIFIED A HUNDRED FOLDS. SUPPORTIVE LIVING SITUATIONS IS THE KEY TO PEOPLE RETAINING THEIR SOBRIETY, AS SOME OTHERS HAVE ALSO SAID. TO BE IN COMMUNITY ADDICTION IS ISOLATING. UM, AND IT CONTRIBUTES AGAIN. UM, THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH HAS LONG BEEN A SUPPORTER OF PEOPLE IN RECOVERY THROUGH THE EPISCOPAL RECOVERY MINISTRIES. CALVARY IS A RECOVERY READY PARISH. WE OBSERVE RECOVERY MONTH IN SEPTEMBER. WE OFFER A RECOVERY SERVICE. WE HAVE HEALING SERVICES. I HAVE MEMBERS OF MY PARISH AND LONG-TERM RECOVERY. UM, WE HOST 12 STEP GROUPS AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING CLOSE PARTNERS WITH WARREN COALITION AND WITH THE LANDING WITH THEIR STAFF AND THEIR CLIENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND SAFE. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? YES, SIR. COME FORWARD. HELLO. UH, MY NAME IS DAVID JOSEPH RAPTOR AND WE WE'RE STILL DOING THE NAME AND THE ADDRESS THING. RIGHT? OKAY. YES, PLEASE. I LIVE AT, UH, 1114 MOUNTAIN LAKE DRIVE. UM, I WAS NOT PLANNING ON TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF, BUT IT'S LIKE 12 PEOPLE IN A ROW THAT TALKED ABOUT IT. UM, MAYBE SIX MONTHS AGO, I KIND OF CONVINCED MY YOUNGER, WAS IT MY BROTHER-IN-LAW? HE'S YOUNGER THAN ME, HIM AND HIS WIFE TO MOVE UP HERE FROM GEORGIA. AND, UH, HE WORKS AT ACE, I THINK IT'S CALLED THE HARDWARE STORE IN TOWN. AND I THINK MAYBE A WEEK AGO THERE WAS A REALLY, AN OLDER GUY THAT HE REALLY LIKED. IT WAS VERY SWEET, AND HE SAID HE JUST DIDN'T SHOW UP ONE DAY LAST WEEK. AND TURNS OUT HE OVERDOSED ON SOMETHING AND SEEMED LIKE FULLY FUNCTIONAL, KIND, KIND OF GUY. HAD HIS LIFE TOGETHER. BUT, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE SAME THING PEOPLE ARE SAYING. SO, UM, MY ADRENALINE'S GOING A LITTLE BIT TOO, SO MY VOICE IS SHAKY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT, UM, TO ME, IF WE'RE NOT ASKING THE QUESTION OF WHERE, WHERE, WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM, THEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE HOW ARE PEOPLE DYING FROM SUBSTANCES THAT ARE ILLEGAL? YOU KNOW, HOW DOES IT GET INTO OUR COMMUNITY? YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE NOT ASKING THAT QUESTION, THEN WE REALLY, WE DON'T CARE, YOU KNOW? AND LIFE IS VERY IMPORTANT, VERY IMPORTANT. MORE, MORE IMPORTANT THAN WE UNDERSTAND. UM, SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. ABOUR. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE ANYBODY ELSE THE OPPORTUNITY IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING. [01:15:08] THOMAS SARAH, FRONT ROW, 8 35 CHANDO SHORES ROAD, FRONT, ROYAL VIRGINIA. I WASN'T PLANNING ON SPEAKING, BUT, UM, GOING TO THE THIRD ORDER, FRANCISCAN AND SAINT FRANCIS OF ASSISI HAD TWO THINGS THAT HE WOULD, HE WOULD PREACH AND HE'D SAY PENANCE AND HAVING DIALOGUE. AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE DIALOGUE. AND THAT'S WHAT OUR COMMUNITY'S DOING RIGHT NOW. AND SO I WANTED JUST TO SHARE BRIEFLY THAT AS A LAWYER, I'VE SEEN PEOPLE COME OUT AT R S W JAIL AND THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO GO. AND THEY CAN END UP, THERE'S A PERSON THAT'S A HOUSE, THERE'S A BRICK HOUSE ACROSS FROM AUTO CLINIC. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY SOLD THEIR HOUSE AND MOVE CUZ THE PRISONERS WOULD COME OUT WHEN THEY WERE RELEASED AND THEY WOULD GO TO THAT NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE KNOCKING ON HIS DOOR LOOKING FOR FOOD AND BATHROOMS AND STUFF. AND, UM, BILL LONG AT THE AUTO CLINIC TOLD ME, HE SAID HE HAD A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE COMING TO HIS CLINIC THERE. AND, UM, THEY NEED SOMEPLACE TO GO. AND, UH, A HALFWAY HOUSE LIKE THIS IS A, A GOOD PLACE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GO. AND ANOTHER THING THAT ST. FRANCIS ASSISI WOULD SAY IS VERY IMPORTANT. WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE WHO ARE MARGINALIZED IN LIFE. THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE, UM, LOOKED DOWN UPON SOMETIMES, BUT WE, WE CAN'T JUST SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT WE HAVE TO DO IT. AND THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT JUST HAVE TO BE DONE. AND, AND HAVING A HALFWAY HOUSE CAN HOPEFULLY GIVE THESE PEOPLE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A GOOD CHANCE AT LIFE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TOM. I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMEONE ELSE THAT'S GONNA SPEAK. HELLO, MY NAME IS KAYLA NER. I LIVE AT 30 87 SURREY LENE IN STEPHEN CITY, VIRGINIA. BUT I ACTUALLY WORK AT 10TH STREET HERE IN FRONT ROYAL. UM, I'M A NURSE PRACTITIONER AND I WORK AT AN OUTPATIENT ADDICTION FACILITY CALLED SPARROW HEALTH. SO I DO TREAT YOUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. THE TRUTH IS, IS THAT I GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH PAROLE OFFICERS. I ALSO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH PUBLIC DEFENDERS, AND BOTH OF THEM SCREAM, THERE ARE NO RESOURCES. AND THAT'S TRUE. UM, I HAVE PATIENTS THAT ARE FOUR HOURS CLEAN. I HAVE PATIENTS THAT ARE SIX YEARS CLEAN, AND ULTIMATELY THEY'RE ALL LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO BELONG BY OPENING UP THE SOBER LIVING HOUSE. YOU'RE SAYING TO YOUR COMMUNITY THAT YOU BELONG HERE. MY PATIENTS DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY BELONG. WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY SAYS YOU DON'T BELONG HERE. YOU COULD HAVE LIVED YOUR ENTIRE LIFE HERE, BUT BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T PRODUCTIVE BY DEFINITION BECAUSE YOU'RE AN ADDICT, YOU DON'T BELONG HERE ANYMORE. I NEED SOMEONE TO HELP ME, HELP ME TELL MY PATIENTS THEY BELONG HERE. AND BY DOING THIS, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWING US TO HAPPEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISH WISHES TO SPEAK? OKAY. OH, YEP. GOTCHA. HI, MY NAME IS PHILLIP VOT. I LIVE AT ONE 40 FOURCHE CHESTER STREET. I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER AT, UH, 200 ROYAL AVENUE. AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FROM NORTHWESTERN COMMUNITY SERVICES, WHO OPERATED, UM, A SIMILAR PROGRAM TO WHAT THE LANDING IS GOING TO BE THROUGH THE WARREN COALITION. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I ASKED MYSELF A SERIOUS QUESTION WHEN I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. I SAID, WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GONNA GO? AND THE ANSWER IS NOWHERE. THERE'S NOT ANYWHERE ELSE FOR THEM IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IF YOU DON'T HAVE A VEHICLE TO GET TO WINCHESTER OR TO WARRENTON OR FOR WOMEN, SOME CASES RICHMOND, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WE HAVE A MULTI-GENERATIONAL SYSTEMIC PROBLEM IN WARREN COUNTY, AND I THINK THAT EVERYBODY SITTING UP HERE AND EVERYBODY SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE HAS HAD A FIRSTHAND RELATIONSHIP WITH SUBSTANCE MISUSE IN SOME WAY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN NO LONGER BE SWEPT UNDER THE RUG. AND SO I THINK HAVING THIS LOCATION FRONT AND CENTER ON NORTH ROYAL AVENUE IS A PERFECT PLACE TO START A CONVERSATION [01:20:01] AND A DIALOGUE ABOUT THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS FACED IN 50 YEARS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. BALD. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? OKAY. UM, GIVE ME ONE SECOND HERE AFTER. ALL RIGHT, SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL. DO I HEAR A MOTION? MADAM MAYOR? I MOVE THAT COUNSEL APPROVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUESTED BY THE WARREN COALITION FOR A LODGING HOUSE AT 200 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE TAX MAP. IF I CAN SEE IT, 20 A FIVE. I LOST MY 20 A FIVE DASH 13 DASH 80 DASH ONE AND TWO WITH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS. THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LODGING ROOMS OR UNITS SHALL NOT EXCEED 10 AND TWO, THE APPLICANT IS TO PROVIDE PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE EIGHT SPACES. SECOND. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND, AND THEN I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL FOR DISCUSSION. I WON'T CALL ANYONE. I'LL JUST LET YOU GUYS, WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST. YES, PLEASE. UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO, UH, I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE SPOKEN. THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE IN RECOVERY, THOSE OF THE YOU THAT ARE THE CAREGIVERS. I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, BACK IN 1970, UH, FORMER GOVERNOR OF OF CALIFORNIA, RONALD REAGAN, UH, CLOSED DOWN THE, UH, STATE HOSPITAL SYSTEM, WHICH USED TO HOUSE BOTH, UH, THE MENTALLY ILL AS WELL AS, AS WELL AS ADDICTS. UH, THERE WAS A BILL CALLED THE LAMAN PETER SHORT ACT. AND WHAT WHAT CALIFORNIA DID WAS TO, UH, REALLOCATE THE MONEY THAT WAS GOING TO, UH, STATE HOSPITAL SYSTEM. AND HE, AND HE ALLOCATED IT BACK TO THE COMMUNITIES. AND IN THOSE COMMUNITIES THEY SET UP IN CALIFORNIA WAS THE FIRST ORGANIZED, UH, SYSTEM OF HALFWAY HOUSES FOR, UH, MENTALLY ILL, FOR, UH, RECOVERING ADDICTIONS OF EVERY SORT, WHETHER IT BE DRUGS OR ALCOHOL. AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY MY LAST TWO YEARS OF COLLEGE TO, UH, PARTICIPATE IN A PROGRAM IN SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA CALLED COMMUNITY OF COMMUNITIES. AND, UH, IN SAN JOSE AT THE TIME, IT WAS A FIRST AND IT WAS A FIRST TO SET UP, UH, THESE HOMES IN RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES. AND I SPENT TWO YEARS, UH, IN COMMUNITY OF COMMUNITIES WORKING, UH, IN, IN THE HALFWAY HOUSES. AND IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE THE INITIAL REACTION OF THE COMMUNITY WAS THERE WAS, AS YOU WOULD EXPECT, THERE WAS CONCERN, THERE WAS REJECTION, THERE WAS FEAR. UM, BUT WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE VERY, VERY QUICKLY THAT THE IMPACT OF THESE HOMES ON THESE INDIVIDUALS BEING WHAT WE WOULD CALL REINTEGRATED, IF YOU WILL, BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY, UH, WAS REMARKABLE. AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY AFTER THAT TO MOVE ON. AND I'VE SPENT SIX YEARS WORKING IN INPATIENT DETOX, UH, WITH EVERY SORT OF ADDICT YOU CAN IMAGINE. WHETHER IT BE ALCOHOL, WHETHER IT BE JUNK, WHETHER IT, IT DIDN'T MATTER. CALIFORNIA AT THE TIME, THERE WAS A LOT OF DRUGS. THOSE THERE STILL ARE. I'VE SEEN THE IMPACT OF HOMES LIKE THIS. AND TO HAVE A HOME LIKE THIS IN FRONT, ROYAL, TO ME IS THE MOST FAVORABLE COMMENT ON COMMUNITY. THAT IS COMMUNITY. THAT IS COMMUNITY TAKING CARE OF A COMMUNITY. UM, I WANT TO APPLAUD ALL OF YOU. UM, I LOOK FORWARD PERSONALLY, UH, TO WORKING WITH YOU. UM, I HAVE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AS I CONTINUE TO, UH, WORK WITH THOSE IN CRISIS AND THE FOLKS THAT ARE REACHING OUT AS COUNSELORS, THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE ACCEPTING THAT HAND, UH, I PRAY FOR YOUR STRENGTH, ALL OF YOU. AND I PRAY THAT THIS COMMUNITY REALIZES THE IMPACT THAT THIS, THIS EFFORT WILL, WILL BRING. UH, AND GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU. I'M JUST VERY, VERY IMPRESSED. THANK YOU. [01:25:02] I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION, MADAM MAYOR, I AM EXCITED TO SEE THIS COME TO FRONT ROYAL, UM, AS A FRIEND WHO HAD SOMEONE ENTER OUR BRAND NEW R S W JAIL AND ACTIVE WITHDRAWAL AND NEVER COME OUT ALIVE, UM, AS THE DAUGHTER OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHO WORKED HOUSE ARREST AND WORK RELEASE MY ENTIRE CHILDHOOD. AND AS SOMEONE WHO KNOWS KRISTA SHIFFLET AND I KNOW THE PROPERTY OWNER. AND IT'S, IT'S EXCITING TO SEE THIS COME TO FRUITION CUZ I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEEN ONE OR TWO YEARS SINCE I SAT DOWN AND HAD LUNCH WITH YOU GUYS. AND THIS WAS JUST A DREAM AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT SEEMED UNATTAINABLE AND FAR OFF. BUT HERE IT IS TODAY AND WE'RE HERE. UM, I'VE SEEN THE GOOD THAT THE OXFORD HOUSES IN WINCHESTER CAN DO. AND IN REGARDS TO THE LOCATION, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A BETTER LOCATION. THIS COULD BE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, KRISTA SPOKE ABOUT IT AT OUR WORK SESSION, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE OPPOSED THIS AND THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T WANT ADDICTS OR WHATEVER ELSE, THEY MAY REFER TO THEM AS, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT ROYAL. THEY'RE HERE, THEY'RE IN THIS ROOM. THEY'RE YOUR NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS, WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT, THEY'RE HERE. UM, AND SO THE OBJECT OF THIS HOUSE AND THE MISSION IS TO, TO ERADICATE THE DRUGS AND TO HELP PEOPLE GET CLEAN. IT'S NOT TO HOUSE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMITTED TO THE SAME PATTERNS AND CYCLES. UM, AND FOR ALL THE PEOPLE IN RECOVERY WHO CAME FORWARD SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM, GOD BLESS YOU ALL. THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR STORIES. UM, YOU'RE BRAVE AND YOU'RE VALUABLE AND YOU'RE LOVED. THANK YOU. UH, MADAM MAYOR, IF I MAY, UH, ALSO ADD, I'D LIKE TO, UH, THANK MR. VAULT FOR PUTTING THIS, UH, PROPERTY UP FOR THIS USE. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, COME, THIS, THIS, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, IS DEFINITELY IN NEED OF, UH, COMING FROM AN AREA THAT DIDN'T HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. UH, I'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD SOME FRIENDS THAT HAVE SUCCUMBED TO ADDICTION AND IT'S ALL, IT'S, IT'S ALL ACROSS THE BOARD. UM, SOME OF WHICH WERE, UH, ECONOMICALLY EVEN BETTER OFF THAN I WAS NOW, YOU KNOW, AND I, I GET, I, I GO BACK TO VISIT AND SOMETIMES I HEAR, HEY, DID YOU HEAR ABOUT SUCH AND SUCH? YOU HEAR ABOUT SUCH AND SUCH. AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A CONS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S CONSISTENT AND, AND TO SEE THAT THERE WAS NOTHING, THERE WAS, THERE WAS NOTHING FOR THEM TO GO TO. YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND, UH, AND LIKE COUNCILWOMAN WARREN SAID, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROBLEM IS HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE NAYSAYERS WHO, WHO SOMETIMES MAY MAYBE THINK THIS IS A BAD IDEA, WELL THEY, YOU KNOW, WOULD THEY, IT'S A BETTER FOR THEM TO BE SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY'RE GETTING HELP AROUND HERE ON THE STREETS, YOU KNOW, CAUSING MORE OF AN ISSUE, UH, AND MORE. AND, AND, AND, UH, EXACERBATING THE CRIME ISSUE. SO THE FACT THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE TRYING TO GET HELP, OFFERING HELP, AND, AND AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CAME HERE TO SP SPEAK TONIGHT, UH, THANK YOU. I, I WAS, I WAS SURPRISED THAT TO TURN OUT THAT YOU GUYS WERE ABLE TO, TO BRING HERE TONIGHT. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR, UH, GETTING THIS, YOU KNOW, MAKING THIS COME TO FRUITION. ABSOLUTELY. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING IN. UM, BEING AN OFFICER, BEING A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OVER THE YEARS, UH, I'VE SEEN IT. I'VE, I'VE TAKEN PEOPLE TO THE HOSPITAL, UH, AND YOU SEE 'EM BACK OUT ON THE STREET, AND THEY'RE THE SAME WAY THEY WERE. UH, I REALLY THINK THAT YOU ARE DOING A GREAT SERVICE FOR THESE PEOPLE. AND I MEAN, KUDOS TO, TO ALL YOU ALL, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S, IT'S A HARD ROAD, I'M SURE. UH, YOU KNOW, I I I, I'VE SEEN SOME FRIENDS GO THROUGH IT, AND I THINK YOU'LL ALL WILL. IT'S JUST GONNA BE A BIG HELP FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU ALL FOR SPEAKING TONIGHT, MADAM MAYOR. UH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, UH, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT, EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID, UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, I WANNA, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY EXACTLY, BUT I WANT TO, UH, I LOOK AT YOU INDIVIDUALS AS WAR WARRIORS FIGHTING YOUR DEMONS IN ORDER TO, IN ORDER TO BE BECOME A USEFUL CITIZEN TO OUR COMMUNITY IN GENERAL AND TO YOUR FAMILIES. AND, UH, IT TAKES A LOT OF COURAGE TO DO THAT. I HAVE SEEN THIS FIRSTHAND, UH, WITH, UH, A NUMBER OF, UH, MY FRIENDS. UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CALL A FRIEND UP AND YOU WANT TO CHECK ON 'EM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HAVING PROBLEMS AND THEY DON'T RETURN THE PHONE CALL, OR THEY DON'T [01:30:01] RETURN THE, THE EMAIL, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING'S UP. AND, UH, THEN YOU RUN OVER TO THEIR HOUSE AND YOU GO INSIDE BECAUSE THEY WANT HELP. UH, THEY WANT HELP. THEY LEAVE THE DOOR OPEN UNLOCKED. AND I WALK INSIDE AND I SEE HIM SPRAWLED OUT ON THE GROUND. UH, THIS PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL, I CAN SAY, UH, SURVIVED. AND HE FOUND, UH, A SPIRITUALISM IN THE CHURCH. UH, HE FINALLY FOUND HELP THAT TOOK QUITE A, A NUMBER OF TRIES, BUT IT TURNED OUT HE GOT HIS LIFE STRAIGHTENED OUT AND, UH, LIVED TO BE A USEFUL CITIZEN IN THE COMMUNITY, DID THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY. SO YOU CAN TELL THAT I'M MOVED A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UH, AS A COUNCILMAN, I, I, I WANT TO GIVE, GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, HELP THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT HELP AND, UH, GOD SPEED TO Y'ALL. AND I WISH YOU WELL. THANK YOU. WELL, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, I WAS VERY MOVED, BUT I ALSO HAVE CONTACTS IN, SO I WASN'T CRYING THE ENTIRE TIME. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW. BUT, UM, I, UM, I DID WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MAKING A VOTE HERE REGARDING ZONING OR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL ABOUT YOUR PROGRAM IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE GREAT LEADERSHIP, UM, FROM KRISTA AND ALL THE STAFF, AND WE HAVE ALL OF YOU WHO ARE ALL CONTRIBUTING SUCH WONDERFUL GIFTS. I MEAN, IT'S AN, IT WAS INCREDIBLE COURAGE TO GET UP HERE AND SHARE YOUR STORIES AMONGST STRANGERS IN FRONT OF THE TV IN FRONT OF A POLITICAL GROUP. I MEAN, THE, THE POWER THAT YOU CONTAIN WITHIN YOURSELVES, IT'S WHAT'S GONNA ULTIMATELY MAKE THE SUCCESS FOR YOUR PROGRAM. AND I REALLY WISH YOU ALL THE BEST, AND I HOPE THAT YOU CONTINUE ON YOUR PATH THROUGH RECOVERY AND, AND EVERYONE TAKE CARE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, I DID WANNA MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS. ONE IS, I GOT, UH, UH, WHEN I WAS BORN, MY FATHER WORKED AS A PRISON GUARD AT LORD. AND, UM, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, IT'S NO LONGER A PRISON. BUT, UM, I REMEMBER HIM TELLING ME WHEN WE WERE YOUNG THAT, UM, THEY FIGURED, FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT, THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE WEREN'T THERE BECAUSE THEY WERE CRIMINALS, BUT BECAUSE THEY HAD A SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROBLEM. UH, UM, AND THEN MY FATHER WAS MOVED TO THE REFORMATORY. THAT'S WHAT THEY CALLED THAT. SO HE WAS ACTUALLY AN ALCOHOLIC COUNSELOR THERE. UM, AND WORKED WITH MANY PEOPLE. AND I, I REMEMBER THE FACT MANY OF WHAT YOU ALL SAID IS THAT WHEN PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO GET THEIR LIVES TOGETHER, WHERE WERE THEY GONNA GO? UH, I CAN REMEMBER ONE TIME, PROBABLY A LITTLE FEARFUL FROM MY MOTHER, BUT MY FATHER BROUGHT SOMEBODY HOME AND THEY STAYED AT OUR HOUSE, UH, UH, FOR A FEW NIGHTS. UM, BUT HE, WHEN HE LEFT THAT ROLE AND WORKED SOMEWHERE ELSE, HE ALWAYS USED THOSE SKILLS. AND THERE WERE ACTUALLY SOME PEOPLE IN HIS LIFE, SOME FRIENDS THAT HE, UM, MADE A DIFFERENCE IN THEIR LIFE AND THEY, UH, WENT TO AA AND HE DID THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, AND HE, YOU KNOW, HE NEVER LET ME FORGET THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, THOSE PEOPLE JUST NEEDED HELP. AND SO I'M SO GRATEFUL THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE, AS BRUCE SAID, MOVED, UH, IT WAS VERY CHALLENGING TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO EVERYBODY JUST, UM, WITHOUT WANTING TO HUG SOMEBODY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I THINK OF WHEN, UM, BUT YOU ALL ARE SO STRONG. AND AS YOU SAID, SPEAKING IN FRONT OF, NOT JUST US, BUT KNOWING THAT YOU'RE ON A CAMERA. I ALSO SERVE AS THE TOWN REPRESENTATIVE ON THE DRUG COURT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WHERE ARE PEOPLE GONNA GO? AND THERE ARE SERVICES THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE, AND THIS IS A MISSING PIECE IN OUR COMMUNITY AS WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE, UM, FOR THEM TO GO. UM, AND AS SOME PEOPLE SAID, IF THEY'RE RETURNING TO THE SAME ENVIRONMENT THAT THEY LEFT, UM, THEN IT, IT'S A RECIPE FOR DISASTER IN MY OPINION. [01:35:01] SO, UM, I'M GRATEFUL THAT SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO BRING THIS FORWARD, AND I'M VERY HOPEFUL THAT IT'S SUCCESSFUL. NOW, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA TAKE A VOTE, BUT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY'S VERY, UM, POSITIVE AND, AND, UH, RECEPTIVE TO THIS. SO, UM, MS. PRESLEY, CAN WE DO A ROLL CALL NOW? COUNCILWOMAN DE MONICA PAYNE? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS? YES. VICE MAYOR SEAK? YES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU ALL. SO OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING, AND IF ANYBODY, I CAN WAIT A COUPLE SECONDS IF ANYBODY NEEDS TO LEAVE. WE'LL, YOU KNOW, I KNOW SOME OF YOU'RE HERE FOR THAT EXPRESS. ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T WANT TO FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO STAY. WE'RE GONNA LET BRUCE FIGURE OUT THE PHONE. , CAN I JUST SAY THAT MY DIRECTOR WITH THE, UH, PROGRAM THAT I WORKED FOR OUT OF THE JAIL WAS ARRESTED 63 TIMES BEFORE HE WAS OFFERED ANY PROGRAM. AND HE HAS BEEN OUT OF JAIL, OUT OF PRISON SINCE 2015 AND IS SIX YEARS IN RECOVERY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING. OKAY. I WAS, I'M WAS, ARE WE GOOD? OKAY. IT'S OKAY. LET'S, ARE YOU, I THOUGHT I TURNED OKAY. I'M JUST WORRIED THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE NOW. OKAY. [7.E. Amend Previously Approved Proffers for Anna Swan Estates – HEPTAD LLC ] SO OUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR TONIGHT AT 20 MINUTES AND NINE, UM, IS SEVEN E. AND SO, MS. PRESLEY, I'M GONNA LET YOU READ THE SUMMARY FIRST, OR, UH, THE TITLE IS, I'M SORRY, LET ME DO THAT. TO AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROFFERS FOR ANNA SWAN ESTATE HAVE HABITAT LLC. MS. PRESLEY, CAN YOU READ THE SUMMARY PLEASE? COUNSEL'S REQUESTED TO AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROFFERS FOR THE SUBDIVISION ENTITLED ANNA SWAN ESTATES DATED FEBRUARY 2ND, 2012. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE LE RUN PLANNING AREA AND CONSISTS OF 98.25 ACRES. THE ORIGINAL HEP HABITAT REZONING APPLICATION WAS INITIALLY SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN ON JULY 5TH, 2005, REFERRED TO AS A SWAN FARM. IN 2012, COUNCIL APPROVED AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORIGINAL PROFFERS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 21ST, 2022. IS THAT, YEAH, 22. AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO AMEND PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROFFERS FOR A ANNA SWAN STATES WITH CONDITIONS. NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT AMENDS THE LANGUAGE OF SECTION 3.1 TO STATE IN THE EVENT THAT THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL APPROVES THESE AMENDMENTS, SUCH APPROVAL WILL BE DEEMED AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT BY THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL THAT NUMBER ONE LEECH FUND PARKWAY HAS BEEN COMPLETELY CONSTRUCTED. AND NUMBER TWO, HETA LLC COMPLIED WITH ANY PRIOR APPROVED PROFFERS PERTAINING TO THE DEDICATION OF RIGHT OF WAY. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PAYMENT OF THE RELATED CASH PROFFERS, THE APPLICANT IS ABLE TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE PRESIDENTIAL PARKING PER 1 75 DASH 1 0 4 1 75 DASH 1 0 5 1 48 DASH 48 OF TOWN CODE NUMBER THREE. THE APPLICANT AMENDS THE LANGUAGE OF 7.5 0.1 TO REMOVE THE WORD THE BEFORE WARREN COUNTY. NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT WILL AMEND THE PROFFER STATEMENT TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE ADDRESSING THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO EXPAND AND INSTALL THE ONSITE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TOWN CHAPTER 1 34. AND NUMBER FIVE, THE APPLICANT WILL AMEND THEIR PROFFERS TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE ADDRESSING THEIR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE COST OF INSTALLING STORM WATER FACILITIES ON SITE PROFFER AMENDMENT DATED MARCH 15TH, 2023 ADDS THE FOLLOWING LANGUAGE, EACH PROFFER LISTED HEREIN AND MADE IN CONNECTION WITH THIS APPLICATION IS MADE VOLUNTARILY AND COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE LAW PROFFER AMENDMENT DATED APRIL 4TH, 2023, CORRECTS THE AMOUNT PER RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT, WHETHER SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED OR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED FROM 1040 $4 AND 31 CENTS TO $699 AND 40 CENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU MS. PRESLEY. UM, BEFORE I OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, I JUST REMI WANNA REMIND PEOPLE AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT, UM, AND REMEMBER TO SPEAK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT THE ISSUES, UM, NOT PERSONAL ATTACKS AND LANGUAGE, THOSE THINGS. SO I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. MS. PRESLEY, HAS ANYBODY SIGNED [01:40:01] UP TO SPEAK? YES, WE HAVE NINE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK THE FIR. FIRST ONE. THANK YOU. WELL, MS. PRESLEY, I BELIEVE THAT MS. KOPECKI IS GOING TO, UM, PRESENT FIRST AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND THEN WE'LL START WITH THE PUBLIC, UM, PUBLIC THOSE WHICH SIGNED UP. OKAY? OKAY. YOU READY? MS. MS. ISHK? LAUREN? YEP. LET ME GET THIS SITUATED. OKAY, GOOD EVENING. SO TONIGHT, UH, STATED WE ARE LOOKING AT THE, UM, PROFFER AMENDMENTS FOR THE ANASANA STATE. UM, SO THE PROPOSED CHANGES, THEY MOSTLY INCLUDE MODIFICATIONS TO THE MONETARY PROFFERS, SO THOSE ARE YOUR CASH PROFFERS. AND THEN THE TYPE AND NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS. THE INITIAL PROPOSAL ASKED TO CHANGE THE, UM, LOT SIZES, BUT THAT HAS SINCE BEEN REMOVED. SO THIS IS A 98 ACRE PARCEL. IT IS ZONED P N D. UM, IN 2012 IT WAS, UM, RESIDENTIAL SUBURBAN, WHICH IS A LOWER DENSITY, UH, ZONE THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW. UM, BUT THE TOWN AND COUNTY, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WORKED TOGETHER AND THEY DESIGNATED THIS PORTION OF TOWN AS AN URBAN DEVELOPMENT AREA. YOU CAN SEE THAT THROUGH THE OVERLAY. UH, THE, THE DASHED OVERLAY ON OUR COMP PLAN MAP. UM, THIS IS INTENDED FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND HIGHER DENSITIES THAN, UM, WHAT WAS INITIALLY INTENDED. UH, SO THIS PROPOSAL FROM 2012 IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH OUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THE NEW PROPOSAL IS ALSO IN CONFORMANCE WITH THIS PLAN. AND THEN OUR, UM, PENDING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UM, SO THE 2012 PROFFERS, WE HAD APPROVAL FOR 450 UNITS TOTAL. THEY WERE GONNA BE PHASED AT NO MORE THAN 50 DWELLING UNITS PER YEAR. AND THEY HAD A BREAKDOWN OF SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, WHICH ARE YOUR TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, BETWEEN 37 TO 54 OF THOSE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, WHICH ARE BASICALLY TOWN HOMES. UH, SO THEY PROFFERED A HUNDRED TO 112 AND THEN 252 TO 326 MULTI-FAMILY. AND THESE ARE IN THE FORM OF CONDOMINIUMS. UM, AND THEY ALSO, UH, PROVIDED THE CASH PROFFERS. SO PER SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT, THEY PROFFERED $18,000 FOR EACH UNIT. AND THIS IS IN THE FIRST PHASE. SO THAT FIRST PHASE IS 335 UNITS. UM, AND THEN FOR THE LAST 115 UNITS, THEY PROFFERED 9,000 FOR EACH SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT. AND THEN FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED. SO YOUR TOWN HOMES, IT'S $11,000 IN THE FIRST PHASE AND THEN $5,500 IN THE LAST PHASE. AND THEN THEY PROFFERED $9,000 FOR EACH MULTI-FAMILY UNIT IN THE FIRST PHASE AND THEN 4,500 FOR EACH MULTI-FAMILY IN THE FINAL PHASE. AND THESE PROFFERS, THEY STATED WERE SOLELY FOR THE TOWN TO USE FOR THE PLANNING, DESIGN, ENGINEERING, AND RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION AND OR CONSTRUCTION OF LEACH RUN PARKWAY. UM, FOR THE COUNTY, THEY PROFFERED $5,500 PER UNIT REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE, UM, TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, PLUS AN ADDITIONAL 9,000 PER SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, 5,500 PER SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, AND 4,500 FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS FOR THE LAST FIF OR 115. SO THIS WAS IN ADDITION TO THAT $5,500 PER UNIT. AND IN THE PROFFERS THEY HAD THE, THEY RESERVED THE RIGHT TO ADJUST THE MIX OF HOUSING TYPES. MR. MR. BEACH, COULD YOU JUST GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE MIC? IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR US TO HEAR HEAR. OKAY. UM, BUT THEY ALSO DID NOT PROVIDE ANY STIPULATIONS ON THE TIMING OR TYPES OF DWELLING UNITS. SO I CAN'T, UM, SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, THE FINAL MIX WOULD'VE BEEN. UM, AND THEN IN THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION, THEY AGREED TO DEDICATE, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR LEACH RUN PARKWAY AS IT TRAVERSES THE PROPERTY. AND THEY WOULD DESIGN AN ENGINEER FOUR LANES OF IT. THEY ALSO PROFFERED THE EXTENSION OF, UH, SWAN SAGES DRIVE TO WESTMINSTER DRIVE, UM, AND THEY PROFFERED SIDEWALKS TO WARREN COUNTY, UH, OR TO THE, UH, TO THE COUNTY, UM, CONNECTING WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL IN HILDA J BARBER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. AND THEN THEY ALSO, UM, PROFFERED THAT THERE WOULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK APPROXIMATELY THREE AND A HALF ACRES CONSTRUCTED, AND THAT WOULD GO TO WARREN COUNTY. SO IF WARREN COUNTY ACCEPTED THE PARK, THEY WOULD, THEY WERE REQUESTING CASH PROFFERS, OR SORRY, A CREDIT TO THE CASH PROFFERS. AND IF NOT, THEY HAD A STATEMENT IN THERE THAT THE HOA WOULD ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THAT PARK. SO FOR THIS APPLICATION, [01:45:01] THE PROPOSED PROFFERS HAVE BEEN AMENDED TO STATE THAT THERE WILL BE 335 UNITS TOTAL. UM, THEY WOULD BE PHASED AT A HUNDRED DWELLING UNITS PER YEAR, NOT 50. AND YOU WOULD HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF 170 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND 165 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED. SO THOSE ARE YOUR TOWN HOMES AGAIN. AND THE APPLICANT AGAIN, UM, KEPT THIS RIGHT TO THE ADJUST THE MIX OF HOUSING TYPES. LAUREN, I'M SORRY. MM-HMM. , I'M GONNA ASK, UH, , THAT'S FINE. MEN CHECK WHAT IS THAT ACTUALLY MEAN TO ADJUST IT? DOES IT THAT THEY, UH, RESERVE THE RIGHT TO ADJUST THE MIX OF HOUSING TYPES? THAT MEANS THAT, UM, WHEN WE GET TO THE SITE PLAN PROCESS WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY REVIEWING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD MM-HMM. , THERE MAY NEED TO BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS IN THE NUMBER AND TYPES OF HOMES, BUT IT WON'T EXCEED 335. SO THAT COULD BE DUE TO, YOU KNOW, TOPOGRAPHY OR, YOU KNOW, NEEDING ADDITIONAL LAND FOR STORM WATER AND ANY INCIDENTAL THINGS THAT CAN COME UP ALOUD. SO, SO HYPOTHETICALLY, I KNOW THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL, BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT COULD BE 335 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED? BECAUSE IF, IF THAT'S, I'M, I'M JUST ASKING, IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? THE APPLICANT RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ADJUST THE MIX HOUSE? YES. AND I THOUGHT, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CLARIFY, KEEP GOING. SORRY. OKAY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION, MA? SURE. OR I, I THINK IT WOULD BE WHO US TO ASK, USE SOME QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD. IF, IF SOMEBODY HAS ONE, GO AHEAD. THE, THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS WHAT, UH, WHAT IS THE CURRENT, UH, TOWN'S CAPABILITY FOR BUILDING PERMITS ON A YEARLY BASIS? UM, THE LAST YEAR WE ISSUED 37 ZONING PERMITS FOR NEW DWELLINGS, BUT THAT'S LARGELY DUE TO THE FACT THAT, THAT IT'S, IT'S INFILL DEVELOPMENT. BUT WE HAVE A, ABOUT A TWO WEEK TURNAROUND ON, ON ZONING PERMITS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. SO, UH, THE IMPACT OF 100 DWELLINGS PER YEAR IS, IS THAT A CAPABILITY? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE THAT CAPABIL? I THINK THAT THERE WOULD, WITH CURRENT STAFFING, I BELIEVE THAT THERE MAY BE A DELAY. I DON'T THINK WE'D BE ABLE TO GET ALL OF THOSE PROCESSED WITHIN TWO WEEKS. UM, OKAY. SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT BASED ON TWO WEEKS THE MAXIMUM IS GONNA BE 26? I WOULD, I HAVE, I HAVE ONE PERSON IN, YEAH, SO I HAVE ONE PERSON IN TAKING THE PERMITS AND PUTTING THEM IN, AND THEN I HAVE ONE PERSON THAT'S ACTUALLY REVIEWING THEM. UM, I WOULD, IT DEPENDS ON THE WEEK REALLY, BUT I, I WOULD SAY HE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE ABLE TO DO LIKE ABOUT 10 A WEEK. AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE OF THE OTHER DUTIES THAT WE HAVE TO, TO 10 A WEEK IS 52 WEEKS. THAT'S YOU ALSO, SO AS PART OF THAT, WE HAVE THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT WE'RE DOING SCALE. I WASN'T ASKING AS THOUGH I THINK YOU WEREN'T DOING YOUR JOB. I WAS ASKING CUZ I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF I, I'M ASKING BECAUSE, UM, THE CHANGES FROM 50 DWELLING UNITS PER YEAR TO A HUNDRED. AND SO, UH, I THINK WHAT COUNCILMAN REPPORT WAS SAYING IS, IS THAT, IS THAT A DOABLE GOAL? AND IF IT ISN'T, DOES THIS IN SOME WAY, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE WERE TO ACCEPT THIS, DOES THIS IN SOME WAY MEAN THAT WE AREN'T COMPLYING IF WE DON'T ALLOW A HUNDRED DWELLING UNITS PER YEAR? MAYBE THAT'S A, MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION, A LEGAL QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. KEEP GOING. KEEP GOING. ALL RIGHT. MAYBE, UM, SO WITH THE CASH PROFFERS, UH, THE APPLICANT STATED THESE WOULD ALSO BE USED FOR LEACH RUN PARKWAY, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE WE WOULD BE, UM, GETTING REIMBURSED FOR THE, UH, TO DEFER THE COSTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY INCURRED. UM, SO WHAT THEY'VE OFFERED IS $7,910 AND 33 CENTS FOR EACH SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. AND THEN THEY'VE ALSO REQUESTED THE LEACH RUN PARKWAY DEDICATION CREDIT, AND THAT TOTALED OUT TO 6 99 40. UM, AND THEN FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, THEY'VE PROFFERED $6,039 AND 72 CENTS, AND THEN YOU WOULD SUBTRACT THAT, UH, CREDIT AGAIN, UM, AND TO THE COUNTY. SO AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE SCHOOLS, UH, THEY'VE PROFFERED $4,247 PER UNIT, AND IF THE COUNTY DECIDED TO ACCEPT THE PARK, THEY WOULD ASK FOR A CREDIT OF 1040 $4 AND 78 CENTS. UM, AND HERE YOU CAN KIND OF JUST DID THE MATH BREAKDOWN FOR YOU. SO, SO WHAT THIS COMES OUT TO FOR THE TOWN, FOR THE TOTAL OF 335 UNITS, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT ABOUT 2.1 MILLION, AND THAT'S WITH THE CREDITS FACTORED IN. UM, AND TO THE COUNTY, UM, IF THEY DID NOT ACCEPT THE [01:50:01] PARK, I THINK THEIR TOTAL WOULD BE ABOUT 1.4 MILLION. IF THEY DID ACCEPT THE PARK, THEY'D BE LOOKING AT ABOUT 1 MILLION TO OFFSET THE IMPACT TO THE SCHOOLS. UM, AND I'VE GOT THE PROJECTED STUDENT GENERATION CHART, THIS WAS IN THEIR FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. UM, THEY'RE TAKING, THEY'RE REQUESTING CREDITS FOR THE BUY RIGHT, UM, UNITS. AND SO THE STUDENTS THAT, THAT WOULD GENERATE INTO THE SCHOOL, BECAUSE IN THEORY WE'VE ALREADY PLANNED FOR THAT. SO THE PROFFERS ARE TO ADDRESS THE IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY. RIGHT. UM, LAUREN MM-HMM. , CAN YOU EXPLAIN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE BUY RIGHT. UM, IN TERMS OF NUMBER ONE, THE, AND I THINK IT WAS 170 UNITS BY, RIGHT? SO IS THERE A TIMELINE ON THAT? WHEN THAT, WHEN THAT WAS DEVELOPED, THE 170 UNITS, WAS THAT IN 2012? AND DOES, DOES THAT FIGURE EVER CHANGE OVER TIME IN CONSIDERATION OF ANYTHING ELSE? SO THE WAY THAT FIGURE WOULD CHANGE WOULD BE IF THE, IF WE CHANGED OUR, UM, OUR, THE DENSITY IN OUR, OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. SO FOR THAT ZONE, AND I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT THE RS UH, SO I'M SORRY, THE STANDARD WAS. UM, BUT THAT'S JUST A DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE CALCULATION. SO UNLESS WE CHANGE THAT IN OUR CODE, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO CHANGE THAT NUMBER. UM, BUT, BUT THEIR PND ZONING THAT WAS DESIGNED, I THINK FOR LIKE A DENSITY OF THREE OR FOUR UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE AT. OKAY. THANK YOU. DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? OKAY. MM-HMM. OKAY. AND THEN FOR THE 2022 PROPOSED PROFFERS, UM, IN THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION, I DID WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UM, THEY HEP HABITAT LS LLC DID DEDICATE LE RUN PARKWAY, THE LAND FOR IT. UH, IT WAS DEDICATED TO THE E D A, UH, BY INSTRUMENT NUMBER, UM, 61 30, UM, THAT IS RECORDED AT THE COURTHOUSE. UM, BUT THEY ARE ASKING FOR ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT LE RUN PARKWAY HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND THAT BOTH PARTIES HAVE, UM, MET THE PROFFERS FROM 2012, UM, AND THEY ARE STILL PROFFERING THE EXTENSION OF SWAN ESTATES TO WESTMINSTER, AND THEY HAVE ADDED AN, AN INTER PARCEL CONNECTION TO HAPPY CREEK KNOLLS. SO IN OUR ZONING IN SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, WE REQUIRE TWO ENTRANCES INTO THESE SUBDIVISIONS OR ANY PROPOSED SUBDIVISION. UM, THIS GIVES THEM A THIRD ENTRANCE. UM, LAUREN MM-HMM. , YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING AND MAYBE IT WAS A MIS MISSPOKEN, BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE LERO PARKWAY WAS ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE PROFFERS WERE, UM, WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT? UM, THE PROFFERS FROM 2012 WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN BAD. IT'S ACKNOWLEDGING THAT, UM, THEY WERE, UH, THAT LERON PARKWAY HAS BEEN, UH, CONSTRUCTED. I THINK IT'S, UM, PROFFER 3.1, IF I CAN FIND IT HERE. YEAH, IT'S WHERE IT SAYS LECH RUN IS COMPLETELY CONSTRUCTED AND HEPT TAB COMPLIED WITH ANY PRIOR APPROVED PROFFERS PERTAINING TO THE DEDICATION. OKAY. SO IT'S THE PROFFER ABOUT THE DEDICATION OF THE, THE YEP. GO THROUGH. SO THAT ONE REFERS TO 3.1, UM, BUT THERE IS NO CHANGE TO THE EAST SIDEWALKS, UH, PROFFER OR TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK PROFFERS. UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS IT. SO I CAN TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. UM, IF SO AT THIS TIME, IF THE COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, JUST KNOW THOUGH THAT WE CAN ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS ASK. AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT JUST RIGHT NOW, BUT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR LAUREN? I JUST HAVE ONE MORE MM-HMM. AND IT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S MAJOR, BUT I NOTICED IN THE PROFFERS THERE IS NO TIMELINE ON BUILDING THE PARK. ONLY A TIMELINE ON SUBMITTING THE SITE PLAN. MM-HMM. , UM, AND THE BUILDING WOULD BE CONTINGENT ON THE SITE PLAN. DOES THE SITE PLAN TYPICALLY GIVE A TIMELINE OR COULD THEY JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BUILD THE PARK, WE'VE SUBMITTED OUR SITE PLAN, AND THEN IT NEVER COMES TO FRUITION? SITE PLANS ARE APPROVED FOR BASICALLY FIVE YEARS ACCORDING TO STATE CODE. SO ONCE IT'S APPROVED, YOU HAVE FIVE YEARS TO COMPLETE IT, OR YOU WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT A NEW SITE PLAN. OKAY. IF THERE ARE NO, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR LAUREN. IT SAID TO REFER TO STAFF IN OUR PACKETS PREVIOUSLY, BASED ON THE TOPOGRAPHY, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE THE RETENTION PONDS FOR STORMWATER RUNOFF WOULD BE. UM, ITEM FIVE, THIS PUBLIC HEARING SAYS THE APPLICANT WILL AMEND THEIR PROFFERS TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE ADDRESSING THEIR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE COST OF INSTALLING STORMWATER FACILITIES ON SITE. UM, IT APPEARS THAT THEY'D HAVE THE ONLY PLACE FROM THE MAP THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO IS LEFT TOWARDS THE SCHOOLS, UM, WHERE THEY HAVE RETENTION [01:55:01] PONDS IN PLACE. SO DO YOU KNOW WHERE THOSE RETENTION PONDS WOULD BE? UM, LET ME TAKE A LOOK HERE. UM, NO AT THIS TIME WHAT THAT WILL BE FIGURED OUT WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR SITE PLAN. SO ONCE ENGINEERING STARTS, THEY'LL DO SURVEYING, THEY'LL GET THEIR GEOTECH REPORTS DONE, AND THEY WILL DO THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. ALL OF THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF AND TOWN STAFF WILL REVIEW IT. UM, THE COUNTY WILL REVIEW IT, AND THEN D EQ WILL ACTUALLY BE REVIEWING WHERE THERE'S STORM WATER, UM, HOW THAT'S HANDLED, WHERE THAT POND SHOULD GO. BUT THE LOCATION OF THE STORM WATER IS GONNA DEPEND ON THE TOPOGRAPHY, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SPEAKING TO BASED ON THAT. SO, UM, I GUESS IT'S A GENERAL RULE OR NORMAL THAT AN IMPACT STUDY AND AN IMPACT STUDY TO ACCOMMODATE PROFFERS DOESN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION RETENTION PONDS OR STORMWATER RUNOFF. THIS WAS JUST A FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. SO THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ANALYSIS WILL GET SUBMITTED WITH SITE PLAN AT A LATER DATE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, THANK YOU. I'M, WE'RE GONNA ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK BEFORE WE START OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS, RIGHT? DID YOU WANT, DID YOU PLEASE? OKAY. MR. SEK GONNA SPEAK. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNSEL. MY NAME IS JOE SAK AND I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT. UM, I, I WON'T REPEAT, I HAD PREPARED SOME, UM, NUMBERS FOR YOU, BUT, UM, SINCE THE LATE HOUR, UH, UH, YOUR LAST PRESENTATION I THINK COVERED THE HIGH POINTS ON THE ROUGHLY 2.1 MILLION, UH, THAT WILL GO TOWARD LEACH ONE PARKWAY, UM, AND, UH, THE NUMBER OF, UM, MONIES GOING TO THE COUNTY FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. UM, AND I KNOW MADAM MARY, DURING, DURING, DURING OUR WORK SESSION, YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, OR UM, A COMMENT ABOUT SCHOOLCHILDREN WHEN A CHILDREN, AND AGAIN, I THINK IT CAME UP AGAIN AT, UM, MEETING LAST WEEK BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY. YES, IT DID. UH, ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS APPLICATION OR THIS PROJECT HAVING THE COUNTY BUILD A NEW SCHOOL, WELL, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE CASE. UM, THIS, THIS PROJECT'S GOING TO GENERATE 37 MORE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHILDREN ABOVE THE BY RIGHT USAGE. THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UH, LESLIE FOX THAT THESE CHILDREN WOULD BE GOING TO ARE ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY PAST ITS CAPACITY BY EIGHT STUDENTS. WELL, UM, YOU HAVE TWO LAWYERS HERE TODAY. YOU CAN TALK AND THEY CAN BETTER EXPLAIN TO YOU, BUT OUR PROJECT ONLY HAS TO COMPENSATE THE TOWN OR THE COUNTY IN THIS SITUATION FOR OUR IMPACTS TO THE SYSTEM, WHETHER IT'S BE ROADS OR SCHOOLS OR PARKS OR ADMINISTRATION. SO THAT'S WHY THE APPLICATION ONLY, UM, UH, IT, IT'S PAYING THE COUNTY FOR THOSE PARTICULAR 37 CHILDREN CUZ THAT'S THE IMPACT TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. THE, UH, WE ARE GENERATING MORE THAN 37 CHILDREN, BUT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND THE HIGH SCHOOL ARE UNDER CAPACITY. SO WE ARE NOT HAVING AN IMPACT FOR THEM TO HAVE TO GO OUT AND BUILD A NEW FACILITY. UH, THERE, AND IT'S ACTUALLY, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO THAT ANYBODY LIVES IT'S EDUCATIONAL CAPACITY, THERE'S TWO CAPACITY, RIGHT? THERE'S PHYSICAL CAPACITY AND EDUCATIONAL CAPACITY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THAT, RIGHT? THERE'S TWO CAPACITIES, RIGHT? UM, REAL BRIEFLY, UM, THE PARK CONSTRUCTION SINCE, YOU KNOW, SINCE, SINCE THERE WAS A QUESTION, UM, UPON SITE PLAN APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE A A SCOOP OF DIRT IS TURNED, THE DEVELOPER WILL HAVE TO POST A BOND WITH THE COUNTY, UH, EXCUSE ME, WITH THE TOWN IN, IN THIS CASE TO COMPLETE ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, STREETS, WATER AND SEWER, STORMWATER PONDS, AND THE PARK. OKAY? SO THE TOWN WILL HOLD THE BOND IF THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T COMPLETE THE PARK, THE TOWN DRAWS ON THE BOND MONEY AND PAYS FOR THE PARK. OKAY? NOW, UM, AGAIN, SITE PLANS ARE GOOD FOR FIVE YEARS. THE WAY DEVELOPERS MAKE MONEY IS TO GET IN AND GET OUT. THEY, WELL, THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO HURRY UP AND GET THIS PROJECT FINISHED. UM, SO I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, UM, THEM NOT COMPLETING A PROJECT AND LEAVING IT OUT THERE FOREVER CUZ THEY'RE GONNA WANT THAT BOND RELEASED. JUST [02:00:01] TO GIVE A LITTLE HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT, UM, THIS PROPERTY WAS UNDER CONTRACT BACK IN 2005 BY BROOKFIELD HOMES. UM, UH, UM, THEN THE HOUSING CRISIS OF 2008, 2009, HAPPY WHEN HAPPENED. AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE. UM, THE PROCESS TO PROVIDE, UH, UH, RE REINVIGORATE THIS PROJECT, I BELIEVE STARTED IN 2010. AND FAMILY WAS APPROVED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL IN 2012. I MEAN FEBRUARY OF 2012. UM, AT THE TAM OF THE PROFFER, UH, PRESENTATION IN 2011 AND 12, THERE WASN'T A FISCAL IMPACT, UM, STATEMENT DONE OR REVIEW DONE. UM, NO ONE KNEW HOW MUCH LEACH ONE PARKWAY WAS GONNA COST. UM, THEREFORE, UM, THESE NUMBERS WERE, WERE ESTIMATES. WELL, IF YOU SPEED THROUGH RIGHT AFTER 2012, THE, THE REVIEW IN 2014, UM, THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY AND THE ED A CAME TO HEP TA AND SAID, HEY, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BUILD THE PARKWAY AND WILL YOU DEDICATE THE RIGHT OF WAY? WHICH WE DID, I THINK IN 2014. UM, UH, THEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY APPLIED TO VDOT FOR MATCHING FUNDS TO BUILD LECH ONE PARKWAY. SO THE PARKWAY COST WAS, LET'S CALL IT 15 MILLION, INCLUDING ENGINEERING RIGHT OF WAY AC ACQUISITION AND CONSTRUCTION COST. DDOT PAID FOR ONE HALF OF THAT. SO THE TOWN AND COUNTY ENDED UP ONLY HAVING TO FOOT HALF THAT BILL. SO FOR THE, WITH THE ANALYSIS DONE LAST YEAR, IT SHOWED THAT THIS PROJECT'S IMPACT DECREASED CUZ THE, THE OVERALL COST OF THE PARKWAY, WE KNEW WHAT IT WAS, IT CAME DOWN BECAUSE VDOT PAID FOR HALF OF IT. UM, SO WE ARE ONLY ASKING THE TOWN TO REDUCE THOSE PROFFERS TO SHOW OUR TRUE IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY. THE PROFFER ANALYSIS WAS SUBMITTED, UH, IN UM, SEPTEMBER WHEN WE FILED THE APPLICATION, UH, BY GREENWAY. THERE WAS A, UH, AN ERROR IN THAT AND MR. RAPPAPORT POINT POINTED THAT OUT, UM, EARLIER THIS MONTH AND WE SUBMITTED A REVAS ON APRIL THE FOURTH. WE SUBMITTED THE REVAS PROFFER SHOWING THE CORRECT AMOUNT. AND GREEN RAY HAS NOW, UM, CORRECTED THEIR IMPACT STUDY. I THINK SHE RECEIVED THAT CORRECTION. SO, SO YOU SHOULD HAVE A FULL PACKET NOW. WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS TONIGHT AND, UM, I'M SURE WHEN DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS AND WE ASK FOR SOME TIME AT THE END TO, TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THOSE OR ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT ARISE DURING THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MR. S I I HAVE JUST A COUPLE THINGS TO START BEFORE WE GET STARTED. SURE. SO, AND THIS WAS KIND OF NEWS TO ME A LITTLE BIT, BUT SO LEERO PARKWAY IS ACTUALLY NOT FINISHED YET. IT'S, IS WHAT I'VE, I'VE BEEN TOLD, JUST BELIEVE IT OR NOT, LOOKS FINISHED TO THE REST OF US, BUT THERE'S PARTS OF IT THAT, UM, WE STILL POSSIBLY ANYWHERE FROM, I THINK IT'S LIKE A HALF MILLION TO MILLION MAYBE, OR IS IT MORE LIKE A HALF MILLION? WE DON'T REALLY KNOW ANYWAY, UM, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE THAT CUZ THAT'S MY, MAYBE EVEN FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS AREN'T AWARE OF THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS, UM, 37 STUDENTS, RIGHT? AND, AND I ASKED THIS BEFORE, BUT LAST WEEK DURING THE LIAISON MEETING IT, WE WERE SHOWN A LETTER THAT SAID LIKE 60 UH, SEVEN LAUREN. ISN'T THAT RIGHT? ISN'T THAT WHAT THE LETTER SAID? I'M JUST CURIOUS. I I'VE YET TO, NOBODY REALLY COULD EXPLAIN IT TO ME LAST WEEK. AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, UH, GREENWAY'S NOT HERE. I'M SURE, BUT NO, THEY'RE NOT. YEAH. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, UH, WE FOUND TROUBLING GREENWAY CALLED THE COUNTY MM-HMM. AND, AND TALKED TO THEM AND GOT THESE NUMBERS FROM THEM, WHAT THEIR, THEIR STUDENT GENERATION PER HOUSEHOLD IS, ET CETERA. UH, I KNOW THE COUNTY'S QUESTIONED THE NUMBER THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN AND THE APPLICANT HASN'T SEEN. RIGHT. ANYTHING FROM THE COUNTY BESIDES TALK. UM, RIGHT. THE PUT PUT IT WHEN KNOW BLUNTLY WE HAVEN'T SEEN A COMPUTATION AND EVALUATION, UH, OF HOW THEY ARE COMING UP WITH THE ADDITIONAL STUDENTS. OKAY. [02:05:01] UM, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GETTING IT NOW. UH, WE GET A CREDIT OF ABOUT 62 CHILDREN BECAUSE OF THE BOW RIGHT USE. RIGHT. WHICH BRINGS IT TO A NET 37 GENERATION. RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I I JUST ASKED THAT CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU, UH, UH, UM, WE'RE STILL WONDERING. YEAH. AND IT'S, UM, I DON'T, I CAN'T PUT MY HANDS ON RIGHT NOW, BUT SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY HANDED IT TO ME LAST WEEK AND IT WAS SOMETHING, SO ANYWAY, NEITHER HERE NOR THERE RIGHT NOW. I JUST WAS NOT SURE IF, SO YOU ALL GOT YOUR NUMBERS FROM THE COUNTY? NOT FROM THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, BUT FROM THE COUNTY AND I'M, THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THEY USE THIS NUMBER GENERATOR. IT'S, I'M SURE IT'S LIKE A FORMULA OF SOME TYPE. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. CAN I ASK SOMETHING THOUGH? TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT? DO YOU MIND, DO YOU MIND IF YOU ASK A FEW OF THESE QUESTIONS NOW? CUZ SOME OF THESE MIGHT BE THE SAME QUESTION THE PUBLIC HAD. OH, NO PROBLEM. GO AHEAD. WHATEVER. SO WHAT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT IS THE BUY RIGHT IN TERMS OF RIGHT NOW, THERE'S, I KNOW I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S 170 THAT IT, IT WAS IN THE EXISTING ZONING, BUT THERE'S NOT 170 Z HOMES IN THERE RIGHT NOW. CORRECT? IT'S IT'S VACANT LAND. YES MA'AM. SO HOW CAN WE SAY THAT THERE'S NO IMPACT WHEN THEY PUT IN THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND ADD THOSE, THOSE OKAY. STUDENTS. THOSE ARE BY THE, THE NUMBER OF UNITS 170 UNITS. IT'S THE BUY RIGHT USE ON THIS 98 ACRES. OKAY. SO WE COULD BUILD A HUNDRED BEFORE THE ZONING WE COULD HAVE BUILT OR THE, THE DEVELOPER COULD HAVE BUILT 170 HOMES ON THIS PROPERTY WITH NO PROFFERS, NONE WHATSOEVER. AND THAT'S THE KEY, RIGHT? WE, WE WEREN'T ASKING THE TOWN FOR ANY SPECIAL ZONING OR, YOU KNOW, TO ENLARGE THE DENSITY. YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, AGAIN, THERE WOULD BE NO MONEY FOR LEACH RUN PARKWAY IF WE BUILD 170 HOMES. SAME THING. THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY PROFFER MONEY TO THE SCHOOLS. UM, IF WE ONLY BUILD 170 HOMES BEFORE THEY REZONING, THEY WOULDN'T GET A PARK. MOST LIKELY, UM, WOULDN'T HAVE TO GET A PARK. SO THAT'S WHERE WE GET THE CREDIT OR THAT'S WHERE THIS BY RIGHT USE OF HOMES. UM, AND THEN THE CREDIT FOR THE SCHOOL KIDS GENERATED BY THOSE HOUSES. OKAY. THANK YOU. DID IT, I MEAN, DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . OKAY. YEAH, I JUST, I HAVE A, A QUESTION. QUESTION. UH, MADAM MAYOR, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THAT THE CHANGE IN, IN SOME OF THE UNITS WAS, UH, WAS DUE TO A CHANGE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, UH, UH, DUE TO THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE, OF THE, OF THE LAND AS IT SETS. UM, MY QUESTION IS, UM, WHAT GENERATED THAT CHANGE OF TOPOGRAPHY COMPARED TO WHAT WAS BACK THEN, TO WHAT IT IS NOW? I MEAN, IS IT JUST BECAUSE THE BUILDER SPECIFICALLY HAD PLANS OR I'M, I'M JUST ASKING WHAT'S DRIVING THAT. OKAY. UM, DON'T HOLD ME TO THE EXACT DATES, BUT THIS PROJECT WAS BE, WAS, WAS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN 2011. AND DURING THOSE DISCUSSIONS, THE COUNTY APPROACHED THE TOWN AND ASKED, AND US, AND ASKED US TO INCREASE OUR DENSITY BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO IDENTIFY THIS PROPERTY AS THE HIGH DENSITY PROPERTY FOR THE COUNTY. UH, ALL COUNTIES NEEDED TO HAVE DESIGNATED AREAS. LEGISLATURE PUSHED THEM TO SAY, YOU GOTTA HAVE A PLACE IN YOUR COUNTY FOR HIGH DENSITY GROWTH OR HIGH DENSITY HOUSING. UM, THE ONLY PLACE TO HAVE THAT IS WHERE THERE'S WATER AND SEWER CONNECTIONS. SO IT MEANT THE TOWN OR, OR WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS FOR RESIDENTIAL GROWTH. UM, SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND, AND SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, UH, HOW MANY UNITS COULD WE GET ON THERE? UM, AND WE CAME UP WITH A PRODUCT TYPE, UM, REALLY, UH, THE, THE COME UP WITH THE 450 UNITS AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET IT TO 450 UNITS WAS TO DO MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS. UM, THE PERSON THAT WE HAVE UNDER CONTRACT RIGHT NOW DIDN'T WANT TO DO THEM. UM, SO THEY RE YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT CAN YOU FIT ON THIS ACREAGE WITH THE TOP TOPO AND GETTING A MIX OF UNITS, BOTH SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND DETACHED. THAT WAS THE CALLS FOR THE DECREASE IN THE UNITS. OKAY. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT WAS A BUILDER DRAFT, NOT TOPOGRAPHY, THE WAY I LOOK AT, I MEAN, THAT'S CORRECT. SO TOPOGRAPHY, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IT HASN'T CHANGED. I MEAN, [02:10:01] SINCE I'VE LIVED HERE ANYWAY. WELL, WELL THE TOP NO, THE, THE PROPERTY HASN'T CHANGED. THAT WAS, BUT THAT WAS A BUILDER DECISION. CORRECT. AND NOT SO MUCH, I MEAN, YEAH, IT WAS TOPOGRAPHY BY THE BUILDER, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. THAT'S, I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION, SO THANKS. ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE I SIT DOWN? EXCUSE ME. SO BR BROOKFIELD WAS AT THE BEGINNING, THEY, THEY WERE THE, IT WAS AT THE 2000 IN 2005, AND I BELIEVE THEY HAD PRO, UH, 300 HOMES, THREE AND A QUARTER, 327 SINGLE FAMILIES ATTACHED, I MEAN, DETACHED AT THAT TIME. OKAY. UH, SO THE, UH, THE 450 UNITS CAME AT 2012. 11, 11, 11, 12. YES, SIR. 2012. OKAY. UH, SO WAS BROOKFIELD, BROOKFIELD WAS GONE BY THAT TIME? THAT IS CORRECT. IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT NOW, THE, THE, THE INCREASE IN UNITS REALLY CAME WHEN THE COUNTY WENT TO THE TOWN AND CAME TO US AND ASKED US AND YOU TO DESIGNATE THIS, THEY WANTED TO DESIGNATE THIS AS A HIGH DENSITY AREA. SURE, YEAH. IF, IF I MAY, AND MAYBE I CAN HELP CLARIFY THAT. I WAS ACTIVELY INVOLVEMENT WHEN IT HAPPENED. WHAT HAD HAPPENED IS THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY HAD A GROWTH RATE FOR THREE PREVIOUS YEARS IN EXCESS OF 3%. AT THAT TIME, THE STATE MANDATED THAT IN ORDER TO CONTINUE FUNDING ROAD IMPROVEMENTS INSIDE THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL THAT THE TOWN HAD TO CREATE AND THE COUNTY, WHAT THEY DESIGNATED AS AN URBAN DEVELOPMENT AREA, A HIGH DENSITY URBAN DEVELOPMENT. I'M BEING ASKED IF YOU'LL STEP UP TO THE SPEAKER PLEASE. WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING WAS THAT THEY, THAT WAS DETERMINED THAT CUZ OF GROWTH THAT THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY, UH, CAME TO US AT THE 11TH HOUR. WE'D ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE HAD FULL APPROVAL, UH, UNANIMOUS APPROVAL THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND AT THAT POINT THEY SAID, WE NEED YOU TO CHANGE BECAUSE WE WANT TO DESIGNATE YOUR AREA AS AN URBAN DEVELOPMENT AREA. WELL, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME AND I'VE NEVER BEEN IN A POSITION WHERE SOMEBODY CAME TO ME AND SAID, WE NEED TO CHANGE YOUR DENSITY. USUALLY THAT'S AN IMPLICATION. WE'RE HEADING SOUTH, NOT NORTH. AND WHEN THIS TIME WHEN THEY CAME TO US AND MADE THAT SUGGESTION, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN NEEDED BECAUSE THE STATE WAS GONNA BE IN A POSITION WHERE THEY DID NOT HAVE TO FUND ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IN MUNICIPALITIES THAT DID NOT HAVE THAT OR DID NOT DESIGNATE THAT AREA. WE NEVER SOUGHT THE INCREASE IN DENSITY AND WE FELT THE 327 WAS ABOUT AN A, A GOOD NUMBER FOR THE SIZE OF THAT, BUT MOST OF THAT WAS GONNA BE IN SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. BUT WITH THE URBAN DEVELOPMENT, THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD GET ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER WAS IN TOWNHOUSES, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES OR WHATEVER. I THINK WITH THIS PROGRAM THAT VAN METER HAS COME UP WITH, THEY'VE TRIED TO GET AN EVEN MIX OF SINGLES AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING LEVELS LOWER THAN THAT. THE BOTH OF THESE TWO BUILDERS VIEWED THIS AS A STEPPING STONE, HAVING A LOWER PRICED HOUSE, AND THEN YOU MOVE INTO A HIGHER PRICED HOUSE, BUT YOU SAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT'S WHERE THIS ALL CAME ABOUT. I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, JUST SINCE YOU MENTIONED THAT. I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS, YOU SAID, YOU MENTIONED THE BUZZWORD AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THE IDEA BEHIND THAT WAS NO CONDOS WERE NEEDED CUZ THAT WAS ON THE ORIGINAL WITH BROOKFIELD. THEN LET ME, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY CONDOS? THE CONDO COULD BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT, IT CAN BE AN APARTMENT BUILDING WITH SA FOUR SALE UNITS. I I DON'T KNOW HOW THE PRESENTATION INTERPRETED IT, BUT IT WAS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. RIGHT. SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED. RIGHT. AND, AND MULTI-UNITS. AND THE MULTI-UNITS CAN BE ANY NUMBER OF THINGS. I MEAN, THEY COULD HAVE BEEN APARTMENTS. BROOKFIELD HAD NO DESIRE TO BUILD THAT AND NEITHER DOES VAN METER. UM, WE'VE, WE TRIED, UH, TO SHOW THEM THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM WE'VE ALWAYS HAD IN FRONT ROYAL, AS LAUREN MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE WERE ONLY 37 BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. AND THE DIFFICULTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONVINCING SOMEONE WHO'S NOT FROM HERE TO BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN BUILD HOUSES THAT, THAT ENOUGH PEOPLE ARE GONNA BUY. AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT DRIVES A NATIONAL BUILDER. THEY'VE GOTTA FEEL THAT THERE IS A PENT UP DEMAND TO BUY HOUSING. AND WHEN THEY LOOKED AT FRONT ROYAL, THERE WAS NOTHING THAT REALLY STOOD OUT AND SAID, OKAY, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SELL AND I'M GONNA PICK A NUMBER, $400,000 HOUSES ALL DAY LONG HERE. FRANKLY, ALTHOUGH THE MARKET IMPROVED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF 350, $400,000 HOUSES SELLING, THEY REALIZE [02:15:01] THERE'S ALSO A MARKET THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE CANNOT ATTAIN AT THAT LEVEL. SO THEY WERE LOOKING AT PUTTING, PUTTING IN SOME OF THE SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX UNIT TYPE OF HOUSING THAT WAS GONNA BE IN A LOW 300 RANGE, UP TO MAYBE 3 50, 3 75 WITH ADD-ONS IF PEOPLE WANTED THEM. BUT ALL OF IT IS BASED ON WHAT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE, OF THE PARTICULAR AREA CAN AFFORD. AND ALTHOUGH WE'VE SEEN TREMENDOUS GROWTH, AND I THINK ALL OF YOU WOULD ADMIT THIS, THE GROWTH HAS BECOME PRIMARILY IN THE COUNTY. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY, MANY OF THE HOMES BEING BUILT IN THE COUNTY AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NOW GETTING READY TO TAKE PLACE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOMES STARTING AT 400,000 AND GOING TO SIX, 700,000. SO THERE IS A MARKET OUT HERE FOR A HIGH-END HOUSE, BUT THERE'S ALSO A MARKET OUT HERE THAT THAT FITS THE NEEDS OF, OF PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST GETTING STARTED. AND WE, WE FEEL THAT FRONT ROYAL HAS A NEED FOR BOTH A STARTING HOME AND A HOME FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S ESTABLISHED MAYBE MOVING INTO THEIR SECOND OR THIRD HOME INSIDE THE TOWN LIMITS. I'M GONNA STEP DOWN IF MR. YEP. MR. UH, LOU ELLEN OR MR. SOAK, UH, HAS THERE BEEN ANY OFFSITE IMPACT ANALYSIS DONE? I BELIEVE BROOKFIELD DID ONE MANY YEARS AGO, I THINK. BUT AS JOE SAID, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF IN THE EARLY PHASE RIGHT NOW. THEY HAVE TO STILL PRESENT THEIR SITE PLAN AND BASED ON THEIR SITE PLAN, WE'LL THEN KNOW, OKAY, ARE THEY GONNA BUILD TWO ENTRANCE POINTS, THREE EXIT POINTS. I WILL SAY THIS, ONE OF THE BIGGEST IMPACTS THAT WAS NOTED BACK WHEN WE FIRST STARTED WAS THAT IF YOU'VE BEEN IN IN FRONT ROW, BOTH OF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN HERE AND WAYNE'S BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. WE EXPERIENCED A BOMB THREAT AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, BACK IN OH FOUR FIVE WHEN BROOKFIELD WAS INVOLVED, RIGHT BEFORE BROOKFIELD GOT INVOLVED. AND WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT AND, AND THE SCHOOL SYSTEM FOUND WAS WE ONLY HAD ONE ENTRANCE IN AND OUT ON WESTMINSTER CANTERBURY ROAD ON WESTMINSTER ROAD. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, IT MAKES IT VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO EVACUATE UNDER THOSE TYPE OF CONDITIONS. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD ENDORSED OUR PROGRAM. AND, AND WITH BROOKFIELD AGREEING TO PUT THAT CONNECTION INTO WESTMINSTER AND THEN OVER TO LEACH'S RUN, RUN WITH THAT, THEY SAW THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THAT SECOND EXIT OUT OF THERE. AND TO FACILITATE THAT, THEY THEN OFFERED US, OFFERED, WE, WE DID NOT ASK, BUT THEY OFFERED US A FLOATING EASEMENT ON THEIR PROPERTY THAT ABUTS HOURS AND COMES UP TO WESTMINSTER. AND BY HAVING THAT, WE COULD THEN SHIFT IT TO, I MEAN, THERE'S WITHIN PARAMETERS THEY LAID OUT ROUGHLY WHERE IT IS, BUT WE HAVE SOME PLAY IN HOW IT COMES UP OUT OF OUR PROPERTY THROUGH THE SCHOOL PROPERTY AND INTO, UH, THE PROPERTY WHERE THE SCHOOLS ARE. THE OTHER THING, THEY PROFFERED WITH SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY OUT OF OUR COMPLEX SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, ALL THE WAY OUT OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING ON UP TO THE SCHOOLS AND EVEN AROUND TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. SO THEY WANTED IT TO BE A WALKING DESTINATION FOR THE TWO SCHOOLS THAT WERE IN THERE FROM THAT. BUT PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT THAT STOOD OUT AND WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND WHY THE SCH SCHOOL BOARD WAS SO ADAMANT AND, AND SO BEHIND THE BROOKFIELD PROJECT, PRIOR TO, PRIOR TO AND CONTINUING EVEN TODAY, ANY STUDENTS THAT ARE BEING BUSED FROM THAT END OF THE, OF THE COUNTY TO GET TO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND, AND THE ELEMENT SCHOOL HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH TOWN. THEY GOTTA COME DOWN LEACHES RUN PART WAY UP THE BYPASS AROUND AND BACK UP 55 AND THEN COME INTO THE TWO SCHOOLS. THE SCHOOL SYSTEM DID AN ANALYSIS OF HOW MUCH SAVINGS THAT THAT WOULD CREATE FOR THEM BY BEING ABLE TO COME IN EITHER THROUGH HAPPY CREEK KNOWLES OR THROUGH, UH, THE CONNECTION TO THE WESTMINSTER AND LEECHES RUN PARKWAY. NOW THAT IS DESIGNATED AND ALREADY BEEN AN APPROVED VDOT RECOGNIZED LIGHTED INTERSECTION WHERE WEST, WHERE OUR PROPERTY INTERSECTION WITH WESTMINSTER V OTS ALREADY APPROVED A LIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION, REALIZING THE TOWN HAS TO GO ALONG WITH THAT. BUT V DOT'S ALREADY GIVEN IT THE NOD. AND I THINK LORI, THAT, EXCUSE ME, MAYOR, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THERE MAY BE UNFINISHED BUSINESS BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO PROPOSED LIGHTS ON LEACH'S RUN PARKWAY, AND OBVIOUSLY LIGHTS DON'T NORMALLY GET PUT IN UNTIL DEMAND INDICATES THAT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, LEACH'S RUN PARKWAY IS COMPLETED AS TO WHAT WE THOUGHT. NOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT, BUT I, MY GUESS IS BASED ON ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE DOLLARS YOU RECOMMENDED, THAT'S IN THE BALLPARK FOR TWO LIGHTED INTERSECTIONS. YEAH, I THINK IT'S NOT, NOT TO CONTRADICT YOU, I I THINK IT WAS LIKE STORM WATER STUFF, IT WAS SOMETHING TO DO [02:20:01] WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S OKAY. WELL, YOU KNOW, AND YOU ASK ABOUT STORM WATER RUNOFF BEFORE YEAH, I DON'T IF EITHER ONE OF YOU REALIZE IT. THERE'S ALREADY A POND ON THE SITE. A NATURAL POND MM-HMM. THAT IS, WAS USED FOR THE CATTLE, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY BEFORE IT, IT RAN DOWN OUTTA HAPPY CREEK KNOWLES. AND I'D SAY IT'S ROUGHLY A THREE, IT'S A QUARTER TO A HALF. IT'S NOT QUITE A HALF ACRE POND, BUT AGAIN, UNDER THE CONDITIONS WE HAD LAST YEAR WITH A LOT OF WATER, THE POND WAS VERY, VERY LARGE. AND, UH, MY WIFE'S AUNTS RAISED CATTLE ON THAT PROPERTY WHEN BEFORE WE BOUGHT IT. AND THEY HAD A FAIR NUMBER OF CATTLE THERE AT ONE POINT. BUT THERE ARE, THAT'S THE MAIN LOCATION FOR A STORMWATER RUNOFF. I, MY GUESS WOULD BE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS WAS, UH, COUNCILMAN MORRIS MADE THE COMMENT AND YOU ASSUMED IT WOULD PROBABLY BE TO THE SOUTH ON THE, OR IT'S MORE KIND OF LIKE TO THE WEST, MORE DOWN IN, THERE'S A FLOODPLAIN DOWN, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT. MM-HMM. , THERE'S A FLOODPLAIN DOWN CLOSE TO WHERE THE BALL FIELDS ARE. AND MY ASSUMPTION IS IF THEY HAD TO CREATE A SECOND ONE, THEY WOULD PROBABLY PUSH IT MORE IN, IN THAT DIRECTION. IT WOULD MAKE MORE ECONOMIC SENSE FOR THEM TO DO IT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO GO UPHILL. AND YOU AND MR. STRINGER MADE A COMMENT TOO ABOUT TOPOGRAPHY THAT THE TOPOGRAPHY NEVER CHANGED AND THE TOPOGRAPHY REMAINED THE SAME THE ENTIRE TIME. WHAT CHANGED WAS THE STATE MANDATING THE NUMBER. AND THEN YOU HAVE, ONCE YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER, THEN YOU'VE GOTTA DETERMINE WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING YOU CAN PUT ON THAT TO, TO RE COME WHERE SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER OF HOUSING. UM, AND, AND WE WON'T REALLY SEE THAT UNTIL SOMEONE PRESENTS A SITE PLAN. AND ONCE YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN, THEN YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT'S CREATED. THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY I TOOK TOO MUCH TIME. NO, NO, NO. IT'S, IT'S A GOOD DEAL, MADAM. THERE WAS ONE MORE QUESTION I THINK YOU ANSWER AND THEN I'M GONNA GO OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL LIKE, COME ON, LET'S, IT WAS A TAMING OF BUILDING PERMITS OR ZONING PERMITS. MM-HMM. OR ZONING PERMITS. UH, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT THAT THESE ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ARE USED TO. I MEAN, I THINK SHE PROBABLY HAD 37 INFILL LOTS. LIKE THERE'S ONE ON THIS STREET AND THEN ACROSS TOWN THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE. SO YOU GOTTA DO ALL THE HOMEWORK. WORK IT UP NOW, WHO, WHOEVER WILL BUILD THESE HOUSES, VAN METER PRESENTLY, UM, WILL COME IN AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT 10 BUILDING PERMITS FOR THESE 10 HOUSES OR 10 TOWNHOUSES ON THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK AND BLOCK. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY GOTTA GO ALL OVER TOWN PULL MAPS, WHETHER IT'S ZONED OR NOT. THEY KNOW A LOT OF THE INFORMATION IS ALL GONNA BE, THEY CAN DO 10 AS FAST AS THEY CAN DO ONE. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THA UM, MRS. PRESLEY AND THANK YOU TO ALL THE PUBLIC FOR, FOR YOUR PATIENCE, CUZ THIS IS, SO WE'RE OUR FIR OUR FIRST SPEAKER'S MARK EGGER. OKAY. MARK EGGER, 1 0 2 EAST FOURTH STREET. UH, FINALLY WE GET TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS THE AMENDMENT TO THE CASH PROFFERS. I'M GONNA TRY AND TALK REAL FAST, SO I HOPE YOU, YOU ALL CAN HEAR ME. UM, MR. SILAK, IN HIS ORIGINAL LETTER WITH THE APPLICATION, GAVE TWO REASONS FOR REQUESTING A REDUCTION IN THE 2012 PROFFERS, NEITHER OF WHICH MAKES ANY SENSE. THE FIRST IS THAT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS IS BEING REDUCED. SO WHAT THE PROFFERS ARE A PER UNIT AMOUNT. WHY SHOULD THE PER UNIT AMOUNT BE REDUCED? JUST BECAUSE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS IS REDUCED. THINK ABOUT THAT, PLEASE. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. THE SECOND REASON HE GAVE IN A CONFUSING WORD SALAD IS THAT SINCE THE LEACH ONE PARKWAY WAS BUILT BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENTITIES AND HETA WAS NOT REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN ITS CONSTRUCTION, THE PROFFERS SHOULD BE REDUCED. BUT IN THE ORIGINAL PROFFERS FROM 2012, IT STATED THAT IF LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENTITIES TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT THE LERON PARKWAY, INSTEAD OF REQUIRING HETA TO BUILD THE PORTION ON ITS OWN PROPERTY, HETA QUOTE, SHALL REMAIN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PAYMENT OF THE CASH PROFFERS SET FORTH IN SECTION SEVEN UNQUOTE. NEITHER OF THESE REASONS TO REDUCE THE PROFFERS MAKES ANY SENSE. IT'S NOT THE JOB OF TOWN COUNCIL TO BAIL OUT RON LOWEN FOR HIS POOR BUSINESS DECISIONS. FURTHERMORE, LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION. THERE WAS NO WAY TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT BUILDING A ROAD. RON LOWEN COULD NOT SELL THIS PROPERTY TO DEVELOP OR WITHOUT THE LERON PARKWAY. MR. RON, WE, I KNOW I'M GONNA, UM, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, JUST PAUSE FOR A SECOND, MS. PRESLEY, CUZ I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH TIME. SO THE GOAL IS FOR YOU TO DISCUSS THE, THE PROJECT, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING. I UNDERSTAND THE CASH PROFFERS, WELL, LET ME LET BE CLEAR, WE, WE DON'T, IT WOULD BE PREFERABLE THAT WE NOT MENTION PEOPLE, BUT RATHER THE ACTUAL PROJECT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY'S. WELL, THE, THE PROJECT INVOLVES PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE. WELL, I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT I WELL, IF, IF YOU WANT ME TO, TO, TO LEAVE, I'LL LEAVE, BUT NOPE, THAT WAS, TELL TELL ME TO STOP WHEN YOU WANT ME TO STOP. CAN I HAVE MY MINUTES BACK? UH, RON LEWELLEN IS A FORMER LONGTIME MEMBER [02:25:01] OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE E D A. SO AS MR. SIL STATE, IN HIS LETTER QUOTE, DUE TO THE EFFORTS OF THE E D A LERON PARKWAY WAS COMPLETED CONSIDERABLY AHEAD OF THE TIMEFRAME ENVISIONED BY THE TOWN IN HEFTA. RON LEWELLEN'S, E D A BUDDY AND ROTARY PAL, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR JENNIFER MCDONALD GOT THE LERON PARKWAY BUILT AND NOW HE CAN SELL HIS LAND NEW TO A DEVELOPER. FURTHERMORE, RON LEWELLEN SAT ON THE, THE E D A BOARD DURING THE YEARS THAT FRAUD AND EMBEZZLEMENT WERE GOING ON. MR. AND PRAISED YES. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO LEAVE. I KNOW YOU SAID HER TO STOP. I'M JUST, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR, UH, OUR, OUR RULES OF PUBLIC HEARING. SO WHAT, WHAT ARE THE RULES PER NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. I'M NOT ATTACKING ANYONE PERSONALLY UNDERSTAND, I'M JUST STATING FACTS. I UNDERSTAND. RON LEWELLEN WAS ON THE E D A BOARD FOR YEARS. OKAY. I I AND I AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THAT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE, I JUST WANT YOU TO STICK TO WHAT YOU'RE POINTING OUT. WELL, WELL, C I SAID HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SELL THIS TO A DEVELOPER WITHOUT THE LEACH ONE PARKWAY. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LEACH RUN PARKWAY RIGHT NOW. CAN I TALK ABOUT IT OR NOT? HOW ABOUT WE STICK WITH THE APPLICANT? IS THAT OKAY? THE APPLICANT? YOU, YOU TALKING ABOUT HETA? WELL, I'M TRYING TO BE, I'M, I'M TRYING TO GIVE EVERYBODY THE SAME CONSIDERATION AND RESPECT AND YOU KNOW, I THAT'S WHAT OUR PUBLIC HEARING IS FOR NOW. IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US THAT, YOU KNOW, SEPARATELY TO COUNSEL, YOU ARE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO DO THAT. BUT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE IDEA IS WE, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO, WELL, I'M TRYING TO TALK ABOUT THE LEACH ONE PARKWAY. I UNDERSTAND AND HOW UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS BUILT WITH $15, $15 MILLION OF TAXPAYER MONEY AND HEP TA DIDN'T CONTRIBUTE A SINGLE ITEM TO IT. AND NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THE PROFFERS AND THE 2012 PROFFERS ARE A LEGAL DOCUMENT AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE REDUCED. THERE'S NO REASON TO REDUCE PROFFERS. THAT'S PERFECT WHAT I WAS SAYING THERE. THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY. AND I WAS GONNA GO, I WAS GOING TO, I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU SOME OF THE HISTORY OF HAVING LE ON PARKWAY GOD BUILT. I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST SAYING STICKING TO THE FACTS IS FINE. UH, ANYWAY, KEEP GOING. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA EXTEND SOME OF THIS TIME. ALRIGHT, SO FURTHERMORE, THERE WAS A $114,000 ERROR IN FAVOR OF HETA IN THE APPLICATION, WHICH COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT BROUGHT UP AT THE APRIL 3RD WORK SESSION. THE APPLICANT WAS AWARE OF THIS DISCREPANCY. UH, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE APRIL 3RD MEETING, IT WAS OBVIOUSLY THEY WERE AWARE OF THIS DISCREPANCY, WHICH HAD BEEN IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS SINCE LAST FALL, BUT DID NOT NOTIFY TOWN STAFF OR TOWN COUNCIL OF THE ERROR UNTIL MR. RAPPAPORT POINTED IT OUT. WERE THEY EVER GOING TO NOTIFY THE TOWN OF THIS OR WERE THEY GOING TO TRY TO RIP OFF THE TAXPAYERS OF $114,000? FURTHERMORE, IT'S RIDICULOUS TO EXPECT THE APPLICANT, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT TO EXPECT THE TOWN AND COUNTY TO PAY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PER ACRE FOR THE LEACH RUN PARKWAY RIGHT AWAY. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, THOSE SIX ACRES SHOULD BE DONATED TO THE TOWN AND COUNTY. THE APPLICANT GOT A 15 MILLION ROAD BILL THAT TAXPAYER EXPENSE SO THAT THEY COULD DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY THAT OTHERWISE COULD NOT BE DEVELOPED. THE TAXPAYERS ARE, SHOULD BE REIMBURSED AS REQUIRED IN THE ORIGINAL PROFFERS, WHICH ARE THE LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW. IT'S TIME TO PAY THE PIPER. THANK YOU, MR. EGGER. AND YOU. THANK YOU HAVE COPY. THANK YOU. MS. PRESLEY. WHO'S THE NEXT PERSON? OH, SORRY. OKAY, SORRY. MEREDITH BLAIR. HI, MY NAME IS, UH, MEREDITH BLAIR. I LIVE AT 8 76 OLD BELMONT ROAD, FRONT ROYAL. UM, I JUST WANNA SAY I DISAGREE WITH THE REDUCTION OF PROFFERS. I I DON'T THINK IT SHOWS A WHOLE LOT OF COMMON SENSE FOR US TO, UM, REDUCE INCOME TO OUR COMMUNITY. UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE MORE FAMILIES HERE, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE A FINANCIAL BURDEN THAT ADDITIONAL FAMILIES ARE GOING TO BRING. AND, AND THAT BURDEN IS GOING TO ULTIMATELY, IF, IF THEY DON'T CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS IT, BE PASSED ON TO TAXPAYERS, TO TO EXISTING WHO ALREADY LIVE HERE. AND, UM, I MEAN, OB OBVIOUSLY THINGS HAVE GOTTEN MORE EXPENSIVE SINCE 2012. SO IF ANYTHING, I THINK THAT THE PROFFERS SHOULD LIKELY BE INCREASED, RIGHT? I, I'M, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT, BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD BE INCREASED, NOT REDUCED IF WE WERE GOING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES. ANYWAY, THAT'S IT. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU, MS. PRESLEY. JOHN BENES, JOHN BENNER, UH, 4 67 WESTLINE, UH, BENNEVILLE. UM, [02:30:01] SO AS I, I HEARD THAT THERE'S, UH, SOMEBODY WHO DIDN'T WANNA PAY AS MUCH AS THEY ORIGINALLY AGREED TO. AND, UH, AS I WAS LOOKING, DOING A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ABOUT FALSE ADVERTISING, UM, IF YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING AND YOU DON'T DO IT, UH, SELLING GOODS OR PURCHASING OR, UH, CONVINCING PEOPLE TO DO, UH, HAVE AGREEMENTS, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT OKAY. AND ALSO UP TO, I THINK ONE YEAR OR MORE IN PRISON. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S CRIMINAL, BUT I'M SAYING THAT'S, UH, IF SOMEBODY GIVES THEIR WORD, THEY SHOULD HONOR IT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S WRITTEN DOWN IN A LEGAL DOCUMENT. AND, UH, IF THERE'S ONE PERSON WHO'S NOT WILLING TO PAY WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO PAY, THAT WILL BE PASSED ON TO MYSELF AND, UH, MY, MY NEIGHBORS PEOPLE IN THIS, IN, IN THIS COUNTY, UM, WHO PAID TAXES. UM, AND, UH, THAT'S, UH, I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I GAVE UP MY EVENING TO SAY I HAVE TO GET UP AT THREE 30 IN THE MORNING. SO I DON'T THINK I'LL STAY MUCH LATER. BUT, UM, I DO APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO ME AND, UH, BE CONSIDERATE OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO, UH, WHO LIVE HERE AND YOUR NEIGHBORS WHO, WHO PAY TAXES, WHO WORK HARD, UM, TO TAKE CARE OF OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS. I DEFINITELY, I DO, I DO LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING MORE NEIGHBORS, BUT, UH, IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PAY WHAT THEY AGREED TO, I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER DEVELOPERS WHO WOULD ALSO LOVE TO, LOVE TO WORK AND, UH, DO, UH, HONOR THEIR WORD AND, UH, LEGAL, LEGAL DOCUMENTS THAT THEY'VE SIGNED ALSO. SO, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR CALLING. GET A GOOD NIGHT'S SLEEP. DAVID RABBIT. DO I NEED TO DO THE NAME AND ADDRESSING AGAIN? UH, DAVID RAPTOR, 1114 MOUNTAIN LAKE DRIVE. UM, I THINK JOHN SAID A LOT OF WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, UM, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO GOOD BUSINESS IN THIS COUNTY. AND I REALLY DON'T KNOW ANYTH A LOT ABOUT THE DETAILS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD A LOT OF THE DETAILS ABOUT WHATEVER THE AGREEMENT WAS, BUT YEAH, I'M, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE BEING MISLED OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE AGREEMENT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE ONE THING. IT SOUNDS GREAT, AND THEN IF IT CH WILDLY CHANGES, IT FEELS LIKE GETTING DUPED. BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S JUST AN EMOTIONAL RESPONSE. BUT, UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. MS. PRESBY. MELANIE SALAN, THE CHAIR. THAT CHAIR THAT CHAIR. YOU GOT THE BREAK AND WHEN IT JUST KEEPS GOING DOWN, YOU GOTTA LIST IT UP. I HAVE A LEGAL DOCUMENT. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. NO, I'VE GOT TOO MANY THINGS HERE. I'M MELANIE SAS, 95 MURRAY'S DRIVE. I WATCHED THE APRIL WORK SESSION IN WHICH MR. LE STATED THAT HE HAD PROVIDED A FLOATING EASEMENT FROM THE SCHOOLS AND THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD'S ALL ON BOARD. WELL, I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF AS A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER IN SAYING THAT I'M NOT ON BOARD. THESE PROFFER CHANGES THREATEN THOSE WHOM I AM ENTRUSTED TO REPRESENT THE TAXPAYERS AND STUDENTS OF WARREN COUNTY. I DO NOT WANNA SEE OUR COMMUNITY SUFFER FROM OVERCROWDED CLASSROOMS, REDISTRICTING OR HIGHER TAXES TO FUND A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO HELP. AS FOR THE EASEMENT, OUR CURRENT BOARD WAS UNAWARE OF IT. THANKFULLY, OUR AMAZING STAFF WAS ABLE TO RESEARCH AND OBTAIN DOCUMENTS FROM NEARLY TWO DECADES AGO. AT THE TIME, MR. LOWEN WAS A SITTING COUNTY SUPERVISOR AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SERVED AS POWER OF ATTORNEY FOR MR. LOWENS LLC, THIS ATTORNEY WHO WOULD LATER BECOME A BUSINESS PARTNER IN HETA, L L C. I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THE POSSIBLE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND QUESTIONABLE ETHICS SURROUNDING THIS EASEMENT DEAL. DOCUMENTS SHOW THE SCHOOL BOARD OF 2003 AND 2004 WAS APPROACHED BY A SITTING COUNTY SUPERVISOR, COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, AND ASKED TO ENTER INTO THIS DEAL. AT LEAST ONE CLOSED SESSION MEETING WAS HELD WHERE MR. LOWEN SERVED AS BOTH COUNTY SUPERVISOR AND PRIVATE DEVELOPER. ULTIMATELY, A DEAL WAS MADE BETWEEN THE SCHOOL BOARD AND MR. LOWEN TO PARAPHRASE THE CONTRACT FOR THE EASEMENT STATES. THE SALE PRICE HAS. THE SALE PRICE IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALK, WHICH WAS TO BE FINISHED BY THE TIME WARREN COUNTY [02:35:01] MIDDLE SCHOOL BECAME WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL. IT WAS A VERY LONG TIME AGO, IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE, AND NOW I'M SEEING IT SHOW UP IN PROFFERS. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, THAT HE ALSO PROMISED AS PART OF THE SALE FOR THIS EASEMENT, A DEDICATION OF THE SCHOOL'S EXISTING PRIVATE ROAD TO BE CONVERTED INTO A TOWN MAINTAINED ROAD, WHICH WOULD'VE GIVEN THE SCHOOLS AN EXPECTED BUDGETARY SAVINGS DUE TO NO LONGER HAVING TO INCUR THE EXPENSE OF MAIN MAINTAINING THE PRIVATE SECTION OF WESTMINSTER DRIVE. AS IT TURNS OUT, WITHIN DAYS OF THE SEIN CONTRACT, AN EMAIL WAS SENT FROM THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY NOTIFYING THEM OF A BIG GORILLA OF AN ISSUE. THIS PRIVATE DEVELOPER NEVER HAD LEGAL AUTHORITY TO PROMISE TOWN MAINTENANCE OF OUR PRIVATE ROADWAY. IT APPEARS FROM SUBSEQUENT EMAILS THAT THEY TRIED TO GET AN EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL MARCH OF 2006 WHEN IT WAS DENIED FOR THE FINAL TIME. I AM UNSURE WHY THE SCHOOL SYSTEM NEVER VACATED THE EASEMENT OR RENEGOTIATED THE TERMS AT THAT TIME. STRANGELY ENOUGH, THE ITEMS MR. LOYN PROMISED AS COMPENSATION FOR THE EASEMENT SOMEHOW HAVE LATER WOUND UP ON THIS PROFFER AGREEMENT, WHICH AT ONE TIME EVEN SAID THAT HE WANTED THE MONEY CREDITED BACK TO HIM TO REDUCE HIS COUNTY PROFFERS. THIS APPEARS TO ME TO BE PROOF THAT MR. LOWEN HAD NO INTENTION OF INCURRING THE EXPENSE OF HIS EASEMENT PURCHASE FROM THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, BUT RATHER INTENDED TO PASS THAT BURDEN ALONG TO THE COUNTY TAXPAYERS ALL ALONG. AS OF TODAY, IT APPEARS THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS NOT REALIZED ANY BENEFIT FOR OUR EASEMENT DEAL WITH MR. LOWEN 20 YEARS AGO. HOWEVER, THAT EASEMENT DID APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL TO HIM OVER THE YEARS. THE DAY AFTER THE EASEMENT WAS RECORDED IN THE COURTHOUSE IN AUGUST OF 2004, MR. LOWEN SECURED A $1 MILLION LOAN FROM BROOKFIELD. CONSIDERING THE 20 YEARS OF INTERMINGLED SCHOOL, COUNTY, AND TOWN BUSINESS, THE SCHOOL BOARD IS REQUESTING TIME TO MEET WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL TO EXPLORE OUR OPTIONS GOING FORWARD. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE ALL THREE BOARDS COME TOGETHER TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER AS I FEEL AS WE HAVE ALL BEEN ONLY GIVEN BITS AND PIECES OF INFORMATION. AND THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME MISREPRESENTATIONS. I KNOW I'VE HEARD SOME TONIGHT. WE ALL HAVE A VESTED INCOME IN THIS OUTCOME AND I QUESTION IF THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL MEET ZONING REQUIREMENTS IF IT LOSES A POINT OF INGRESS. EGRESS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. SALE. DOLORES OTS. GOOD EVENING. I'M DOLORES OTS. I LIVE AT ONE 70 DOUGLAS DRIVE. I'M ALSO ON THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. AND, UM, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED IN 2012. THERE WERE PROFFERS PROMISE PER UNIT THAT TOTALED APPROXIMATELY 4.6 MILLION THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED TO THE COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY FOR WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. THIS NEW PROPOSAL, UH, DECREASES THESE CASH PROFFERS TO 1.422. THAT'S A THREE, ALMOST A THREE. YEAH, A LITTLE MORE THAN $3 MILLION LOSS TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. NEITHER TOTAL TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE CREDIT FOR THE PROPOSED PARK. I CAN SAY AS A COUNTY SUPERVISOR, THAT THE COUNTY HAS ENOUGH PARKS RIGHT NOW TO TAKE CARE OF. AND WITH THE, UM, DIFFICULTY IN HIRING STAFF, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE AN INTEREST FOR ANOTHER PARK, BUT I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF. UM, WE UNDERSTAND THE UNITS ARE BEING DECREASED FROM FOUR 50 TO 3 35, BUT THE 3 35 HOMES WILL STILL HAVE A LARGE IMPACT ON COUNTY SERVICES, PARTICULARLY SCHOOLS AND PUBLIC SAFETY. OUR FISCAL IMPACT MODEL, WHICH BY THE WAY, WAS DONE BY A CONSULTANT AND IS THE MODEL THAT IS USED ACROSS, UH, THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. WE PAINSTAKINGLY DO THESE ECONOMIC MODELS AND THEY'RE BASED ON THE AVERAGES, UH, OF HOMES, TOWN HOMES, AND APARTMENTS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE COUNTY. IT WAS DESIGNED FOR US, SO IT'S NOT JUST TALK. UM, OUR, UM, FISCAL IMPACT MODEL SHOWS THAT THIS 335 UNIT DEVELOPMENT AS PROPOSED WILL GENERATE 63 ELEMENTARY STUDENTS AT LESLIE FOX KAISER BY RIGHT OR NOT BY RIGHT, 63 STUDENTS ARE STILL REQUIRED TO BE EDUCATED AT A SCHOOL THAT'S OVER CAPACITY. WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, WILL GET 33 STUDENTS AND 45 AT WARREN [02:40:01] COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL. AS YOU ALL KNOW, L F K IS CURRENTLY BEING REMODELED AND IT IS AT CAPACITY, AND THAT IS, UH, EDUCATIONAL CAPACITY. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE COUNTY'S MODEL CALCULATES AN IMPACT TO PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES AT A COST OF 1019 PER UNIT, AND THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED IN ANY OF THE PROFFERS. UH, WE ALSO HAVE A GRAVE CONCERN THAT, UH, MORE THAN 50 UNITS BUILT PER YEAR WILL NOT ALLOW THE COUNTY TIME TO RAMP UP THE INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO EDUCATE THE, THE SCHOOL CHILDREN THAT WOULD BE GENERATED FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE ASK THAT WE HAVE, WE, WE AGREED, I THINK IN 2012 FOR, TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON EACH OTHER'S DECISIONS ABOUT PROFFERS IF IT IMPACTED THE OTHER LOCALITY. AND I WOULD ASK THAT LIKE MRS. SALANS, THAT WE COULD HAVE A COLLABORATIVE MEETING TO DETERMINE WHAT THE TRUE ECONOMIC IMPACT IS TO THE CITIZENS OF WARREN COUNTY. AND I WILL SAY THAT I DID THE MATH BASED ON, UM, THE APPLICANT'S ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH THESE HOUSES WOULD COST PER UNIT. AND IF I DO MY MATH RIGHT, UH, THERE'S 160 SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS AND 175 MULTI-FAMILY, AND THE TOTAL PRICE WOULD BE A $116,500,000 PROJECT. THANK YOU, JOHN LUNDBERG. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS JOHN LUNDBERG. I LIVE AT 2 0 3 PEACHTREE COURT HERE IN FRONT ROYAL. I RECOMMEND IN THE STRONGEST TERMS POSSIBLE THAT A VOTE NOT BE TAKEN TONIGHT TO AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY PROVED PROFFERS OF THE HEP TAD PROP DEVELOPMENT. RATHER, I RECOMMEND, AGAIN, THE STRONGEST TERMS POSSIBLE THAT YOU KEEP THIS PUBLIC HEARING OPEN FOR A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TIME TO ALLOW YOU ALL MEMBERS OF THE TOWN COUNCIL TO OBTAIN ANSWERS TO SOME COMMON SENSE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ENTIRE PROJECT. I'VE ONLY LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR 12 YEARS, BUT UNDERSTAND THIS GOES BACK 15 TO 18 YEARS. AND MEN, WHEN YOU GET THOSE ANSWERS, PRESENT 'EM TO US IN CLEAR, UNDERSTANDABLE TA TIME IN TERMS, EXCUSE ME, YOU KNOW, THAT BLUE COLLAR COMMON SENSE, HARDWORKING TAXPAYERS OF FRONT ROYAL. I'VE LISTEN TO MR. SEIC TONIGHT, I'LL LISTENER. LISTEN TO MR. LOU WELLEN. AND I AM CONFUSED. HERE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT I RECOMMEND THE TOWN COUNCIL CONSIDER, UH, GETTING ANSWERS TO, NUMBER ONE, WHO ARE THE EIGHT PROPERTY OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY. I'M SURE I CAN LOOK IT UP, BUT WHO ARE THE INDIVIDUALS? WHAT MOTIVATES THEM TO WANT, WANT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY? I CAN, I CAN, YOU KNOW, IMAGINE SOME ANSWERS, BUT WHAT, WHAT IS THE REAL ANSWER? NUMBER TWO, WHY DO BUILDERS WANT TO GET A REDUCTION OF THE PROFFERS? IT'S A LEGALLY BINDING DOCUMENT. I'VE HEARD SOME DISCUSSION HERE THIS EVENING THAT CONFUSES ME AND I THINK CONFUSES A LOT OF PEOPLE. WHAT IS THE REASON THAT THEY WANT THE REDUCTION IN PROFFERS THREE? HOW MUCH WILL THE AVERAGE SINGLE HOME OR TOWNHOUSE IS TO BE BUILT ON THIS PROPERTY COST THE AVERAGE PERSON? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT IS THE COST OF IT? WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP A COMMUNITY THAT MAINTAINS THIS LAUREN KAPITI STATE SO WELL UNDER THE DRAFT OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SMALL TOWN CHARM. HOW MUCH OF THESE ARE THESE $750,000 HOMES? ARE THEY MILLION DOLLAR HOMES? ARE THEY $300 HOMES OR WHAT? QUESTION FOUR, WHY AREN'T APARTMENTS IN THE 2022 DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, RETAINED THE LONG AS THEY WERE IN THE 2012 DEVELOPMENT? WE NEED AFFORDABLE SINGLE HOMES. WE NEED AFFORDABLE TOWNHOUSES. WHY DON'T WE, WHY CAN'T WE GET ALSO APARTMENTS? QUESTION NUMBER FIVE. HOW MANY LOCAL JOBS WILL THIS DEVELOPMENT PRODUCE? OR THIS IS THIS NATIONAL BUILDER GONNA COME IN WITH HIS OWN CRUISE? BUILD A 400, WHAT IS IT, 370 HOMES OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND THEN LEAVE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THAT BE A CONSIDERATION? AND NUMBER SIX, WHAT IS THE REPUTATION OF THE BUILDER? HAS ANYBODY GONE OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES WHERE HE BUILT HOMES? IS THAT A CONDITION OF GETTING A PERMIT TO BUILD, START THIS DEVELOPMENT? UM, YEP. I I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO GO INTO THE COMMUNITIES WHERE HE'S BUILT HOMES AND ASKED ORDINARY CITIZENS WHAT THEY THINK OF THE BUILDER. I WOULD THINK THAT THERE'S RELATIVELY SIMPLE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS I POSE. AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE [02:45:01] LIST. THESE QUESTIONS COULD LEAD TO MANY OTHER QUESTIONS TOO. I CALLED EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION, WHICH IS CERTAINLY AN OPEN SECRET IN THIS, IN THIS COMMUNITY IN THE LAST, WHAT, 15 OR 20 YEARS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN BADLY BURNED BY SOME DECISIONS THAT LOCALLY ELECTED OFFICIALS, CERTAINLY NOT THE PEOPLE SITTING IN FRONT OF ME TONIGHT HAVE MADE EITHER ON THE SCHOOL BOARD OR THE TOWN COUNCIL OR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT CAUSED SOME OF THOSE BAD DECISIONS TO MADE. I WOULD OFFER THAT IT'S A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY, NUMBER ONE, AND A LACK OF HONESTY. NUMBER TWO, ONE INDIVIDUAL IN THIS COMMUNITY WHOSE OPINION I DEEPLY RESPECT SAID THE BIGGEST SINGLE PROBLEM WHEN I ASKED HIM, I SPEAK ABOUT WHEN HE LIVED HERE FIVE 10, BUT WAS ABOUT TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO WHEN I ASKED THE PERSON THIS QUESTION, WHAT IS THE BIGGEST SINGLE PROBLEM IN THE GOVERNANCE OF WARREN COUNTY THAT WE HAVE? AND HE SAYS, LACK OF HONESTY. SO BEFORE THE CHARACTER OF OUR COUNTY HAS CHANGED, MAYBE FOR, FOR FOREVER BASED, YOU KNOW, ON THE PRECEDENT OF SET BY HELL, WHAT WE DO WITH THIS HEP TAD DEVELOPMENT, I ASK YOU TO DELAY, YOU KNOW, MAKING A VOTE ON THIS THING UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE CAN GET SOME ANSWERS TO BASIC QUESTIONS. AND THEN PLEASE PRESENT THEM TO ME OR TO PRESENT 'EM TO US IN A VERY CLEAR AND UNDERSTANDABLE TERM. LET ME END BY ASKING, TELLING ONE STORY ABOUT A YEAR AGO, MAYBE IT WAS 18 MONTHS, I GOT DEEPLY INVOLVED IN LOCAL POLITICS BECAUSE I WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE ING OF BACKUPS WHENEVER THE, THE NORTH ROAD SOUTHERN TRAIN IS PASSING OVER THAT DINNER INTERSECTION AT SHENORA SHORES ROAD. AND I LEARNED THEN THAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR LEECH RUN PARKWAY WENT FROM JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY ON A STRAIGHT LINE THROUGH PROPERTY NOW, NOW, UH, OCCUPIED BY THE HOSPITAL, NOW OCCUPIED BY THE MIDDLE SCHOOL TO SHENANDOAH SHORES ROAD. AND INCLUDED A FLYOVER COMMON SENSE QUESTION. WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT PLAN? WHY WASN'T THE FLY? WHY WASN'T THAT BILLED? A STRAIGHT SHOT OVER WITH A FLYOVER THAT WOULD'VE SOLVED THE LANDLOCK STATUS OF ALL THOSE PEOPLE OUT THERE NOW. AND WHAT WE'RE WRESTLING WITH NOW, A LOCAL PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO BUILD 135 HOMES JUST NORTH OF RAILROAD TRACKS, WHICH WILL EXTEND, YOU KNOW, THOSE BACKUPS THERE. IT'S LIKE I SAID, A COUPLE, THREE WEEKS, COUPLE TWO, I THINK TWO MONTHS AGO DEAL YOU PEOPLE, SOMEBODY IS GONNA DIE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, EITHER FROM A HEART ATTACK OR A DIFFICULT PREGNANCY STUCK IN TRAFFIC BECAUSE THE RAILROAD TRACKS ARE BEING BLOCKED BY TRAINS PASSING INTO AND OUT OF IT. MR. LUMBER NOT, I'VE TOTALLY RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. BUT I NEED YOU TO, I NEED YOU TO WRAP UP WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY CUZ WE'RE BEYOND YOUR THREE MINUTES. I'M SORRY. WELL, DIDN'T OTHER PEOPLE EXCEED THREE MINUTES TOO? WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST TRY DO HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU HAVE? OH, I'M, MAYBE I SHOULD ASK THAT THREE MORE MINUTES. THREE MINUTES. SO ANYWAY, YEAH, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THREE, I DON'T ALL SAY I HAVE TO GET OVER AT THREE 30, BUT I DO HAVE TO GIVE AN ESTIMATE. ALL I'M SAYING TOMORROW IS THAT ONE ANOTHER PERSON WHOSE OPINION I RESPECT IN THIS COMMUNITY SAID ALL YOU HAVE TO LOOK, IF YOU WANT TO REALLY KNOW WHY THAT PLAN WAS NEVER DEVELOPED, THE ORIGINAL PLAN, JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY WITH A FLYOVER DE SHANDOR SHORES ROAD. LOOK WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY WHERE THE HOSPITAL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL WERE CURVILLE, LOOK WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY. AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THEY ARE. I LOOK AT ALL THE PROPERTY WHERE THE AT LEAST RUN PARKWAY WAS CONSTRUCTED. AND THERE YOU'LL FIND THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ENDURING ME ABOVE THE THREE MINUTE LIMIT. I THOUGHT SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE TALKED FOR 15, 20 MINUTES, SO I THOUGHT MAYBE I COULD GET WELL, OUR, OUR STAFF AND OUR APPLICANT, WE DID ALLOW TO OKAY. BECAUSE WE WANTED THEM TO SET THE STAGE. SO, I'M SORRY. ALRIGHT. I'M SORRY IT WASN'T I JUDGE FOR EXCEEDING MY LIMITS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO, THANK YOU. THANK AND YOU SA YOU SOUND SO MUCH HEALTHIER TONIGHT. MR. LUMBER, LAST TIME YOU SPOKE WITH US, WE COULDN'T HEAR YOU. I THREE HOURS. I KNOW I COULD LISTEN TO BOB. I'M JUST AM THINKING IT'S 10 OF 10 AND WE HA WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH OUR AGENDA. KRISTEN. KRISTEN PENCE. OKAY. YEAH, EVERYBODY. OKAY. HI, I'M KRISTEN PENCE, UM, 8 32 SMITH RUN ROAD. I'M HERE THIS EVENING AS A COUNTY RESIDENT TAXPAYER, UM, WITH VESTED INTEREST IN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT, UM, WHAT MS. SALEENS AND MS. OATS ALREADY SAID. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO POSTPONE YOUR DECISION, ALLOWING YOURSELVES TIME TO FULLY REVIEW THE FINANCIAL IMPACT THIS BUILD WILL HAVE ON OUR COUNTY. OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ARE REACHING CAPACITY AND THIS WILL ACCELERATE THE NEED [02:50:01] FOR A NEW SCHOOL. CONSIDERING THE CURRENT RENOVATION OF LF K IS AROUND 16 MILLION, LET'S ASSUME A BEST CASE SCENARIO OF ABOUT 30 MILLION FOR THAT SCHOOL. BEYOND THE COST OF FUNDING THAT BUILDING, THE SCHOOL THEN HAS TO BE STAFFED, WHICH I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE AWARE IN THIS. UM, TODAY'S TIMES WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING, UM, OUR POSITIONS. AND IT'S, IT'S A STRUGGLE. ALL OF THIS RESULTS IN AN EXPANDED BUDGET FOR OUR SCHOOL DIVISION, WHICH IN TURN IS GONNA RESULT IN US ASKING FOR MORE MONEY FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. AND THEN IN TURN FROM OUR TAXPAYERS, I CAN'T SEE IT BEING A FINANCIALLY SOUND DECISION TO REDUCE THE PROFFERS ON A DEAL THAT STARTED SOMEWHERE AROUND 20 YEARS AGO WHEN EVERYTHING WAS SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER. THE IMPACTS THAT THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE ON OUR TAXPAYERS WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL EVEN WITH THE CURRENT PROFFERS IN PLACE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR TIME. THANK YOU MS. PENCE. THE LAST SPEAKER IS RON THE WELLEN. OKAY. DO YOU WANNA, DO YOU WANT, I WAS GONNA SAY, DO YOU WANT ME TO, MR. WELLEN, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK NOW OR DO YOU WANT ME TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK? AND THEN, IS THAT OKAY? I'M GOOD. OKAY. IS THERE, SO EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T SIGN UP, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK NOW, I'M, I WOULD BE GLAD TO CALL MS. COLORS, BUT I FEEL IT, I FEEL THE NEED TO CALL ON YOU BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU NEEDED TO GET NO, HAVE YOU ALREADY SPOKEN ABOUT THIS? OH, I'M SORRY. WE, YEAH, I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT I THOUGHT IT WAS THE OTHER ONE, BUT SORRY. WE ONLY ALLOW, UH, THE ONE, THREE MINUTES, FOUR MINUTES. . I DO THE BEST. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. CHERYL COLORS 1605 ROCKY HOLLOWER ROAD IN BENTONVILLE, VIRGINIA. AND I COME HERE AS WELL AS A LIFETIME RESIDENT. AND EVERYONE KNOWS I'M ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, SO I'LL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AS WELL. I GREW UP AND WENT TO, UM, ALL THE WAY THROUGH WARREN COUNTY SCHOOLS. I HAVE THREE SIBLINGS, UH, BROTHERS. AND FROM MY OLDEST SIBLING TO MY YOUNGEST SIBLING, THERE'S 10 YEAR SPAN. SO AT ONE POINT IN TIME THERE WAS, UH, ONE OF US IN ELEMENTARY, MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND HIGH SCHOOL. SO TO SAY THAT WE CAN PREDICT A NUMBER THAT'S GONNA COME OUT OF THESE 400 IN SOME HOUSES, I THINK IS UNREALISTIC. AND TO SAY THAT WE CAN SAY HOW MANY OF THEM ARE GONNA BE IN AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S, UH, FEASIBLE. WE CAN GUESS AT A NUMBER, BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN IMPACT, WHETHER IT'S BY RIGHT OR BEYOND, BY OUTRIGHT. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO KEEP IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND. IT'S A, IT'S A NUMBER. IT'S LIKE THE, THE EIGHT BALL. YOU KNOW, YOU ASK AT THE QUESTION, YOU GET AN ANSWER, BUT IT'S AN UNREALISTIC ANSWER. SO I, YOU KNOW, I WANT YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF INFORMATION TONIGHT AND FROM SITTING ON THAT SIDE OF THAT BOARD, IT'S HARD TO MAKE DECISIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE GETTING NEW INFORMATION IN AS YOU HAVE TONIGHT. SO I WOULD IMPLORE YOU AS WELL TO TAKE THE TIME TO GO BACK, DIGEST WHAT YOU'VE HEARD, INVESTIGATE. WE ALL WANNA TRUST, I TRUST THE PEOPLE THAT CAME UP HERE AND SAID THINGS, BUT YOU HAVE TO VERIFY AND YOU HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO VERIFY TONIGHT. SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO TRUST AND TAKE THE TIME TO VERIFY SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT THE DECISION YOU'RE MAKING THAT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT NOT ONLY ON THE SCHOOLS, BUT FIRE AND RESCUE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOUR WATER AND SEWER, AND THINK ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS AND KNOW THAT THE DECISION THAT YOU MAKE TONIGHT IS ONE THAT'S GONNA HAVE THE LEAST IMPACT FOR EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT STILL BE SOMETHING THAT IS WE CAN EMBRACE IN THE COMMUNITY AND BE PROUD OF. SO THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU MS. COLORS. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, STEVE CALLERS 1605 ROCKY HOLLOWER ROAD QUESTION I GOT TO ASK IS, THEY'RE SAYING THE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, YOU GOTTA BUILD ANOTHER ONE. WELL, GUESS WHAT? THIS HIGH SCHOOL AND THIS MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT THEY'RE GONNA HELP FILL UP IS STILL OWE FOR IT. WE OWE A HUNDRED AND I THINK $40 MILLION ON THOSE SCHOOLS YET. SO THAT'S NOT FREE AND WE STILL OWE FOR IT. SO WIDEN MORE MONEY BEEN PUT [02:55:01] TOWARDS THAT. WE GOTTA PAY IT DOWN. WE STILL OWE FOR, FOR ALL THAT. IT'S NOT FREE SITTING THERE. UH, THE COUNTY STILL OWES FOR ALL THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, WHY IS HE SAYING HE'S GONNA FILL THEM UP? AND WE ALREADY, WE HAVEN'T EVEN PAID FOR 'EM. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT FREE. I MEAN, WE STILL OWE FOR IT. SO, SO HE NEEDS TO PUT UP SOMETHING FOR THAT. I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE MORE, IT SHOULDN'T BE LESS. HE AGREED TO IT. HE KNOW WHAT AGREED TO. IF HE DIDN'T WANNA AGREE TO IT, HE SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT. SO HE SHOULD HAVE TO PAY NOTHING LESS THAN WHAT HE AGREED TO. AND SECOND, ALL, ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE, I THINK SPOKE FOUR YEARS AGO. I KNOW MR. EGGER DID. AND THEY TRIED TO TELL THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT YOU GOT A PROBLEM AND NOBODY LISTENED TO, JUST PLOWED AHEAD AND YOU SEEN WHAT HAPPENED TO US. I THINK Y'ALL NEED TO LISTEN, STOP AND PUT THE BRAKES ON IT AND RESEARCH AND THEN MOVE. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO MOVE TONIGHT OR ANYTIME CLOSE SOON TILL Y'ALL CAN ALL MEET TOGETHER. MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S LEGAL. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CALLERS. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? I'M GONNA GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY, ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK. ALL RIGHT. OH YEAH, I'M SORRY. I KNEW THAT. I KNEW THAT. OKAY. I HAD SAID THAT WAS GONNA LET THE APP LINK COME BACK. I THINK I WAS THINKING MR. , THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNSEL. I'M, I SHARE THE CONCERN THAT'S BEEN EXPRESSED TONIGHT. WE HAVE TRIED FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS WORKING WITH THE MUNICIPALITY. WE DID IT THE FIRST TIME AROUND. WE'VE DONE IT THIS TIME AROUND. WE DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL THE PRESSURE OF TRYING TO DO SOMETHING, BUT WE DO WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED. WE'VE HAD TWO PLANNING SESSIONS AND ONE OF 'EM WAS BACK, I THINK IN JANUARY. NO QUESTIONS WERE ASKED OF US AT THAT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. THE SECOND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WE HAD SCHEDULED WAS CANCELED. AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, BUT THE LAST TIME WE MET, WE ANSWERED EVERYTHING THAT WAS ASKED FOR US. WE TRIED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE THOUGHT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR. IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT IT IS. WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU TO GET THIS ACCOMPLISHED. BUT LET ME ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT KEPT COMING UP REPEATEDLY TONIGHT. AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT UNDERSTANDING THE WORD PROFFER IS DIFFICULT. AND THEN FOR MANY PEOPLE THEY DON'T TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT A PROFFER IS. IN 2017, OUR VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY CHANGED THE LAWS ON PROFFERING IN OUR STATE. WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT, BUT THEY WERE CHANGED BY THE VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY WHEN THAT HAPPENED. YOU'RE FINE. THAT WAS HIS OH, ALARM. GO AHEAD. WHEN, WHEN THAT HAPPENED, IT HAD A TREMENDOUS EFFECT ON PROFFERING. WHEN THESE INITIAL PROFFERS WERE PUT OUT THERE, THEY WERE DONE IN A TIME THAT WAS EVEN A BUSIER BUILDING FRENZY THAN WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND IT WAS KIND OF LIKE THE WILD, WILD WEST. THERE WAS NO SET NUMBERS. THERE WAS VERY VIRTUALLY NOTHING TO GO BY TO TELL YOU WHAT TO PROFFER, HOW MUCH TO PROFFER. IT WAS WHAT YOU COULD NEGOTIATE WITH THE MUNICIPALITY. YOU WERE DEAL YOU WERE DEALING WITH. SO IN MANY CASES WHAT WAS HAPPENING IS SOMEONE WOULD COME IN TO DO A PROJECT AND WHAT THEY WOULD FIND IS THEY WERE BEING ASKED TO PAY FOR SOMETHING WAY OFF SITE OR PAY FOR A NEW ROAD, CONNECTING A DIFFERENT AREA. SO THE VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY SAID PROFFERS CAN ONLY BE ISSUED WHERE NECESSITY IS NECESSITATED BY THEIR PROJECT. IN OTHER WORDS, WE CAN'T BE CHARGED FOR FIXING A BRIDGE THAT'S BROKEN OVER HERE OR PUTTING A SIDEWALK IN ACROSS THE STREET. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENED, IT CHANGED ALL THE RULES. YOU MUNICIPALITIES AREN'T ALLOWED TO ASK FOR PROFFER ADDITIONS ANY LONGER. IT'S SET BY THE STATE IN, IN MOST CASES. THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO PUT OUT IS THAT WHEN WE CAME BACK TO YOU WITH A NEW BUYER, WE CAME TO YOU AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO CHECK, I THINK MR. RAP REPORTS CHECKED VAN METER HOMES AND BROOKFIELD HOMES ARE RECOGNIZED IN OUR REGION. WHEN I SAY OUR REGION, THE EASTERN SEABOARD HAS TWO OF THE BEST BUILDERS IN THE INDUSTRY. THEY BOTH HAVE AN EXCELLENT REPUTATION. VAN METER BUILDS ALL THROUGHOUT NORTHERN VIRGINIA. THEY BUILT HOMES IN MARSHALL RIGHT UP THE STREET FROM US. THEY'VE GOT PLACES IN WINCHESTER AND THEY'RE IN LAKE FREDERICK. SO IF SOMEBODY DID A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK, THEY COULD FIND OUT FOR THEMSELVES THE QUALITY OF THEIR HOMES. VAN METER IS A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS AND THEY'RE REGARDED AS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE INDUSTRY. BUT HOLD ON [03:00:01] ONE SECOND. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY WHAT COUNSELORS JUST WANNA MAKE SURE DO IT, UH, WOULD, DO YOU ALL CONSIDER THIS TO BE THE APPLICANT SPEAKING AND THEY'RE GONNA SPEAK BEYOND THREE MINUTES SO WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYBODY THAT SHOULD, SHOULD WE CONTINUE ON OR DO YOU ALL WANT TO ASK MR. LUAN QUESTIONS? THE APPLICANT? OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT EVERY DAY WAS ON, AND, AND I GUESS ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WE WANNA WORK WITH YOU TO HELP YOU GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. AND WE, WE'VE TRIED AND UH, OBVIOUSLY I TAKE OFFENSE WHEN I GET CHALLENGED AS SOMEONE WHO SUPPOSEDLY SAT ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. I'VE SAT ON THE E D BOARD AND, AND YES, THERE WERE THINGS THAT TOOK PLACE, BUT EVERY SINGLE TIME, AND ANYBODY'S WELCOME TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MINUTES THAT ANY PROJECT THAT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH ME CAME UP IN ANY OF THOSE SESSIONS. EVEN WHEN I WAS SITTING ON THIS DIOCESE HERE, I WOULD ANNOUNCE THAT I HAD AN OWNERSHIP POSITION AND I WOULD ANNOUNCE I WAS WAS STEPPING SIDE OR NOT VOTING ON IT. UM, SO I WAS VERY OPEN. IT WAS VERY UPFRONT AND NOTHING WAS KEPT IN RESERVE. AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ATTEMPTED TO NOT MAKE THIS DISINTEGRATE INTO A NAME CALLING CONTEST EARLIER IN THE EVENING. IF I CAN ANSWER, THAT'S MY JOB. I KNOW. I JUST, I JUST WANTED YOU TO, YOU DID A FINE JOB AND UM, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ASK FOR YOU, ANSWER FOR YOU? NOW, I, THIS REALLY ISN'T A QUESTION. IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE FOR, UH, MR. SIMMONS. RIGHT? I THINK I'M SAYING THAT, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY CUZ AT THE WORK SESSION WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE ORIGINAL PROFFERS WERE APPROVED IN 2012. RIGHT. AND THEN WE KNOW THAT THE STATE CHANGED THINGS IN 2017. I I READ I MIGHT NEED JOE FOR THIS TOO. YEP, YEP, THAT'S FINE. . SO, UM, YEAH, AND I KNOW THAT I MENTIONED THIS AT THE WORK SESSION AND I FELT LIKE PEOPLE KIND OF LOOKED AT ME LIKE I QUESTIONED WHAT I WAS ASKING. UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THOUGH THAT, THAT EVEN THOUGH THE CODE CHANGED, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT, UM, IT, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE PROFFERS FROM 2012 HAVE TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE IT'S NOT, I I USE THE WORD RETROACTIVE AND PEOPLE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, I I POINT OF INFORMATION. RIGHT. AND THEN IN 2019, I BELIEVE THERE WAS ANOTHER CHANGE AFTER 2017, WHICH ACTUALLY REPEALED SOME OF THE STUFF THAT HAPPENED IN 2017. RIGHT. POINT OF INFORMATION IT WAS 2016 AND IT WAS SB 1373 AND HOUSE BILL 2342 CHANGED IN 2016 AND WAS REPEALED IN 2019 REPEALING WHAT WAS DONE IN 2016. RIGHT. SO I I JUST WAS CURIOUS. I'M I'M SORRY IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE WERE GONNA ASK OH, GO TO LAWYERS. OH, MYSTERY. YEAH. YES. DID YOU SURE. SO THE CURRENT VERSION IS THE TWO NINE 2019 VERSION. AND THAT'S WHAT'S CURRENTLY PENDING. THAT'S WHAT AFFECTS THE PREFERENCE. WE HAVE THOUGH. AND WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY MADE SOME CHANGES THAT MADE IT EASIER FOR LOCALITIES TO TALK TO, TO THE APPLICANT MM-HMM. AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT THE APPLICANT'S CONCERNS ARE, WHAT THEY'RE PROVIDING AND WHAT ALSO WHAT THE LOCALITIES CONCERNS ARE IN TERMS OF IMPACTS. AND THEY REMOVED SOME LANGUAGE THAT MADE OFFSITE, UM, PROFFERS UNREASONABLE. SO THEY MADE SOME THINGS THAT MADE IT EASIER TO DIALOGUE ABOUT PROFFERS. IT ACTUALLY MADE IT A MORE, UH, UM, A MORE OF A CONVERSATIONAL PROCESS. UM, AND SO WHAT HAPPENED IS IF YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT WAS FILED IN 2016, SAY BEFORE THE 2019, UH, CHANGES HAPPENED, YOU AS THE APPLICANT HAS THE, HAS THE OPTION TO USE 2016 LAW AS IT APPLIED, OR WE CAN USE THE CURRENT LAW. IT'S THE APPLICANT'S CHOICE. I THINK AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CURRENT LAW AND WE NEED LOOK AT THE IMPACTS THAT THE APPLICANT IS HAVING ON THE LOCALITY AND THEN JUDGE WHETHER OR NOT THE PREFERENCE ARE ACCEPTABLE BY WHAT'S GO, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE APPLICATION AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS WITH THE CURRENT LAW AS IT STANDS, AND HAVE THE APPLICANT EXPLAIN HOW THEY'RE GONNA ADDRESS THE IMPACTS THAT THE TOWN'S CONCERNED ABOUT. RIGHT. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T KNOW IF COUNSEL, UM, SO I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT TIME FOR US TO OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL, UM, OR NOT JUST I, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD SAY THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE SAID TONIGHT IS JUST THAT WE GOT, WE GOT A WEALTH OF INFORMATION. WE'RE STILL GETTING A WEALTH OF INFORMATION TONIGHT. SO, UM, I, UM, WE ARE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I KNOW THAT, UM, THAT HOW, IF COUNSEL, WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE, UM, ABOUT, UH, WHETHER OR NOT I HAVE A MOTION OUT THERE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING OR WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING OR, OR WHAT, WHAT, MOVING FORWARD, IF YOU ARE READY. I FEEL LIKE THERE'S BEEN A WEALTH OF INFORMATION. I FEEL LIKE WE, YOU KNOW, NEED TO, TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS. UM, MAY I MAKE [03:05:01] A MOTION SO WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION BY COUNSEL? SURE. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THE COUNSEL BEFORE TO DO THAT, I WOULD HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. NOPE, NOT FOR THE MOTION THAT I WISH TO MAKE MR. SONNET, JUST CLARIFY FOR ME, RIGHT? ARE WE, OH, I THINK YOU CAN, I HAVE DISCUSSION IN PUBLIC HERE. YOU CAN LEAVE IT OPEN SO WE CAN HAVE, SO WE CAN LEAVE IT OPEN AND DISCUSS NOW. YES. YES. OKAY. YOU HAVE DISCUSSION? CAN I MAKE MY MOTION, UM, THE MOTION? I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL CALL IT A MOTION OR IF IT'S YOUR DISCUSSION. RIGHT. UM, THEN I'M GONNA HAVE, YEAH, I KNOW. IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION, THEN WE GO TO THE MOTION. I I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION. THERE IS DISCUSSION, BUT WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND PER ROBERT'S RULES BEFORE WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION. THE DISCUSSION ISN'T DISCUSSION THAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE PRIOR TO A MOTION. THE WAY THAT I READ IT. I CAN MAKE A MOTION WHILE WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CLOSED. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. I MOVE THAT COUNCIL, CONTINUE THIS PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL JUNE 26TH AT 7:00 PM AMENDING THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROFFERS FOR THE SUBDIVISION ENTITLED ANNA SWAN ESTATE'S TAX MAP PARCEL NUMBER 20 DASH A 21 DASH TWO DASH ONE AND NUMBER 20 A 20 DASH TWO DASH 11 DATED FEBRUARY 2ND, 2012 TO THE AMENDED PROFFERS DATED APRIL 4TH, 2020. AS PRESENTED. PUBLIC HEARING MUST NOT BE CLOSED BY THE MAYOR. SECOND. CAN WE HAVE DISCUSSION? YEP. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. WE HAVE A SECOND. AND NOW, UH, WE'RE GONNA, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS ALLOW THE DATE. OOPS, UH, JUNE 26TH AT 7:00 PM IT'S OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED COUNSEL MEETING AFTER MAYS. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, SO I HAD PREPARED UP, UM, EVERYTHING I HAD PLANNED TO SAY DURING MY DISCUSSION TONIGHT AS I CONTINUED TO UNRAVEL THE PIECES OF THIS INFORMATION. A LOT OF IT'S IRRELEVANT AT THIS POINT. THE PUBLIC OR THE DEVELOPER APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED SOME OF IT. UM, I WILL JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK THROUGH TWO DECADES OF EMAILS BETWEEN BOARD OF SUPERVISORS EED A SCHOOL BOARDS, COYA REPORTS FOR CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR SETTING BOARD MEMBERS AND EED A MEMBERS, UM, I TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF OFFENSE TO NOT KNOWING WHAT A PROFFER IS. I TAKE MY POSITION UP HERE IN PUBLIC SERVICE VERY SERIOUSLY. SO I HAD ACTUALLY STARTED THE TITLE OF THIS AS WHAT ARE PROFFERS? PROFFERS DEVELOPED OUT OF A ZONING AND LAND USE LAW. THEY'RE A VOLUNTARY PROPOSAL BY AN APPLICANT FOR A PROPERTY REZONING. WE'VE HAD MANY QUESTIONS ON THE LEGAL MEANING AND THE CASE LAW TO BACK UP THE QUOTE UNQUOTE NEGOTIATION OF PROFFERS. IF YOU LOOK TO LOUDON COUNTY, THERE'S ACTUALLY A WEBSITE THAT YOU CAN GO AS A DEVELOPER TO LOUDOUN COUNTY, AND YOU CAN SUBMIT WHAT THEY CALL AN INFORMAL, UM, REQUEST ABOUT YOUR DEVELOPMENT TO SEE WHAT THE OPINION OF THE IMPACT ON THEIR COMMUNITY IS. UM, THIS GIVES, UH, A WAY TO HAVE A NON-BINDING AGREEMENT IN WHICH THE COUNTY OR THE LOCALITY CAN REVIEW SUBMITTED REQUESTS TO SEE WHETHER THE PERFORMANCE OF CERTAIN ACTIONS WOULD BE DEEMED IN A SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE WITH A PARTICULAR PROFFER. UM, AND I THINK THERE'S A LEARNING OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN HERE, AND WE SHOULD CONSIDER IMPLEMENTING SUCH PRACTICE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS. NO TIME FOR THE FUTURE RIGHT NOW. THESE PROFFERS WERE SUBMITTED TWO DECADES AGO, AND THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH MANY, MANY HANDS OF PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, COUNCIL MEMBERS, ATTORNEYS, AND THE PUBLIC FOR REVIEW. HOWEVER, THERE ARE MANY OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS THAT I KNOW MYSELF AND MANY OTHERS HAVE, AND WE'VE HEARD HERE TONIGHT THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW ME, IN MY OPINION, OR THIS COUNCIL TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS MATTER BEFORE US. THE PUBLIC HEARING CAN BE LEFT OPEN IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO PROVIDE US THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. AND I AM ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I KNOW THAT IT WAS NOTED THAT WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY. PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND RESPECT THAT WE HAD MANY NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WERE STILL IN THEIR TRAINING IN JANUARY. THEY HAD JUST TAKEN THEIR OATH. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I FEEL THAT THE OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS HAVE NOT ADDRESSED ALL OF THE IMPACTS, AND DUE TO THE LARGE MATHEMATICAL ERROR I HAVE TO ADDRESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM BY THE CONSULTING FIRM PROVIDED TO US WITH THE IMPACT STUDY, IT RAISES QUESTIONS AS TO THE INTEGRITY OF THAT STUDY, FOR ONE, FOR ME, IT'S NOT MY MAIN CONCERN, THOUGH ONE TO CONSIDER. UM, I WILL GO ON TO SAY THAT I DID WISH AND ASK IN OUR APRIL 3RD WORK SESSION TO DELAY THIS PUBLIC HEARING, TO NOT WASTE SO MANY PEOPLE'S TIME HERE TONIGHT, AND TO ALLOW AMPLE TIME FOR PROPER INFORMATION TO BE DISSEMINATED AND SHARED. WE'VE GOT EVER-CHANGING INFORMATION FOR MY TWO YEARS ON COUNCIL REGARDING THIS PROPERTY. WE VOTED ON AN EXTENSION LAST YEAR. THE MAJORITY OR MOST ALL OF THIS COUNCIL, UM, OUTWEIGHED MAN, DECIDED TO CONTINUE THIS TO A PUBLIC HEARING. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE APRIL 3RD MEETING, A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS MAGNITUDE WILL NOT ONLY IMPACT THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS OF OUR TOWN COUNTY SCHOOL DIVISIONS, BUT ALSO EACH AND EVERY TAX PAYING INDIVIDUAL IN WARREN COUNTY. GROWTH IS INEVITABLE. I'VE SAID THAT SINCE BEFORE I RAN FOR OFFICE, AND I KNOW THIS. HOWEVER, IT SHOULD BE DONE WITH APPROPRIATE INFORMATION, DIRECTION, AND VISION FROM THE GOVERNING BODIES OF WARREN COUNTY AND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. AND WE SHOULD NOT, AND I WILL NOT EVER GOVERN OUT OF FEAR, FEAR OF A LAWSUIT, FEAR OF PULLING OUT A DEVELOPMENT. IT SHOULD BE [03:10:01] DONE RIGHT AND IN A TIMELY MANNER. I AGREE. BUT THAT WOULD IN FACT BE A DISSERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY IF I WERE TO GOVERN OUT OF FEAR. SO I ASKED MY MANY QUESTIONS THAT I HAD ON THE BACK. I HAVE A FEW MORE THAT I'LL CONTINUE TO SEND OUT. UM, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS AND THERE WERE QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE ON THIS COUNCIL DIDN'T KNOW THEY SHOULD ASK. THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO FIND THE INFORMATION AT THAT LAST WORK SESSION. WE HAD REQUESTED INFORMATION FOR PLANNING AND ZONING, AND IT WAS SO MANY DOCUMENTS SHE DID NOT HAVE TIME TO PREPARE US FOR THAT BEFORE THAT WORK SESSION. SO A LOT OF QUESTIONS HAVE CAME POST WORK SESSION. ALL OF US, FOR THE MOST PART UP HERE, WORK A FULL-TIME JOB. THIS IS PUBLIC SERVICE. UM, WE'VE BEEN GOING INTO TOWN HALL AND MAKING CALLS IN THE EVENINGS AND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WORK DAY TO GET THIS INFORMATION AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND AND UNRAVEL THE ENTANGLEMENTS AND INTERMINGLING OF THE TOWN, COUNTY, AND SCHOOLS. AND I AGREE THAT THE THREE BOARDS NEED TO COME TOGETHER IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. THANK YOU, MS. FOREST. UM, I'M, I'M, DO ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WISH TO, UM, SHARE THEIR DISCUSSION NOW OR NO? I JUST, IF I MAY, MADAM MAYOR, UM, I TOO, UH, UH, SO WITH ALL THE NOTES THAT I'VE TAKEN TODAY, I'VE ACTUALLY GOT, UH, EVEN MORE QUESTIONS. AND WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, UH, STATEMENTS MADE BY SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE PUBLIC, UM, I DON'T FEEL I COULD, IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T DO JUSTICE FOR ME TO, UH, I FEEL, TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS UNTIL WE GET, UH, SOME OF THIS, SOME OF THESE, UH, UH, QUESTIONS ANSWERED. AND I DO FEEL THAT WE OWE IT TO, UM, NOT JUST RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN, OF COURSE, IN THIS CASE, WITH RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY TO ADJUST TO, UH, UH, GET SOME INFORMATION FROM THEM AS WELL. SO, ON, ON THAT NOTE, I AGREE WITH COUNSEL AND MORRIS, AND THAT WE SHOULD, UH, POSTPONE THIS UNTIL JUNE 26TH. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO OFFER ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS PART? THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND, AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE A VOTE, BUT, UM, ANY, ANYBODY WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE, I'M HAPPY TO QUALIFY WHY I CHOSE THE DATE THAT I DID TOO, IF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO HEAR BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE ON THAT ACTION. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, WE ONLY MEET TO HAVE PUBLIC EARRINGS ONCE A MONTH. THIS WAS THE CONCERN THAT I SHARED WITH COUNSEL AT THE WORK SESSION, AND I'VE RAN INTO IT IN MY TIME ON COUNSEL BEFORE. WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, WE GET A MULTITUDE OF NEW INFORMATION, AND THEN WE'RE EXPECTED TO COME OUT AND VOTE IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING IT WITH NO TIME TO PROCESS RESEARCH BACK ANY OF IT UP WITH FACTS AND FIGURES. UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, MAY WOULD ONLY BE OUR OTHER DATE. AND I DON'T THINK TO COORDINATE THREE BOARDS THAT HAVE 500 SUBCOMMITTEES WITHIN ONE MONTH IS, UM, RESPECTFUL OF ANYBODY'S TIME. THAT'S WHY I CHOSE JUNE. IT GIVES US ONE MONTH TO WORK TOGETHER COLLECTIVELY AND TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT IF THEY SO WISH. UH, I WOULD, THAT IS ONE THING THAT I WAS GONNA SAY. THE OTHER PART OF THIS, UH, PIECE IS, IS THAT, UM, THE QUESTIONS THAT WE DO HAVE, WE NEED TO, UM, AS, AS THE APPLICANT SAID EARLIER, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, LET US KNOW. SO THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER THING IS WE NEED TIME TO, UH, TO FORMULATE THE QUESTIONS AND GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THOSE QUESTIONS BEFORE. UM, AND I, I DO WANNA SAY COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS, YOU KNOW THAT IN JANUARY, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I'VE SAID ALL ALONG AS I, I DID, I WAS ABLE TO GET COUNSEL TO AGREE TO TWO WORK SESSIONS A MONTH. BUT THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY TWO MEETINGS A MONTH, UM, WOULD ALLOW FOR, UM, TO GO BACK TO TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND I REALIZE NOT EVERY ISSUE NEEDS TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. I BELIEVE THIS IS ONE THAT, THAT, THAT IT WOULD BEST SERVE THE CITIZENS IF WE DID. SO, IF DOES ANY, MR. RAPPAPORT, DID YOU I'LL MAKE A COMMENT. GO AHEAD. I'LL MAKE A COMMENT. OKAY. UH, , YOU KNOW, UH, ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND WITH ALL OF THIS IS, UH, UH, AS THE APPLICANT SAID, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MANY YEARS. UM, AND AS THE APPLICANT SAID, UH, YOU STARTED OUT AT 2005, UH, BY THE TIME YOU WOULD'VE GOTTEN READY TO DO ANYTHING, YOU, UH, THE HOUSING BUBBLE HAPPENED. UH, AND, UH, THE, UH, THE, UH, UH, BUILDER, UH, HE MOVED ON. AND, UH, AND I GET THAT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, WE'RE ALL IN THE, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE IN BUSINESS, WE'RE IN BUSINESS TO MAKE, UH, A PROFIT. WE DON'T DO THINGS FOR FREE. UH, THE, UH, I THINK THE MAJOR QUESTION IN MY MIND [03:15:01] IS, UH, AS FAR, UH, I'VE, I'VE LIVED IN PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY. UH, I HEARD ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT IN PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY. I THINK IT WAS BACK IN THE NINETIES. I, I DON'T KNOW, UH, HAPPENED TO BE BROOKFIELD'S HOME. UH, THEY WANTED TO PUT 6,000 HOMES IN, UH, UH, AROUND THE GAINESVILLE AREA. AND, UH, IT WAS A UPRISING IN THE, UH, COMMUNITY ABOUT IT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE. UH, BUT, UH, THE THING THAT'S IN MY MIND IS THIS IS A, A, IT'S A SMALL, RELATIVELY SMALL DEVELOPMENT FRONT. ROYAL HASN'T HAD A DEVELOPMENT IN 20 YEARS, MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UH, AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I KEEP ON HEARING THAT WE NEED HOUSING IN FRONT ROYAL. UH, AND, UH, WE, UH, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO FIND A WAY TO GET THERE AS A COUNCILMAN. UH, IF COUNSEL DECIDES TONIGHT THAT THEY, THEY PREFER TO LEAVE IT OPEN, UH, YOU KNOW, I CAN RESPECT ALL OF THAT. UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I, UH, I WAS, I WAS READY. I WAS GOING, I WAS READY TO VOTE. I'M BEING TRANSPARENT TONIGHT THAT I WAS READY TO VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. UH, BUT IF WE WANNA LEAVE IT OPEN, UH, I WILL, UH, ABIDE BY COUNSEL'S, UH, OPINION. WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU, MR. RAPAPORT. IS SIR, ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS ANYTHING ELSE THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ADDRESS? YES. NO, I FEEL LIKE THERE'RE YOU ALL ARE ON THE EDGE. YES. NO, DON'T HAVE TO. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, BUT I PLEASE THINK, UH, I, I WANT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. WE ALL DUE RESPECT. UH, I THINK THIS CONCERNS ALL OF US IN THIS COMMUNITY. IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR WAY TOO LONG. WE NEED TO RESOLVE SOME OF THESE ISSUES, DON'T WE? UM, AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, UH, UH, TO RESOLVE THOSE. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED TONIGHT AND LOOK AT THOSE VERY, VERY HARD. UM, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE PROFFERS, TAKE A LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT IMPACT. AND I THINK WE NEED TO, AS WE USED TO SAY IN THE MILITARY, ADJUST FIRE AS NECESSARY. UH, IF WE'RE GOING TO RESOLVE THIS AFTER ALMOST 20 YEARS, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA COME TO A, UH, UH, A RESOLUTION. SO, I'LL, I'LL HOLD ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UH, AND, UH, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IS, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO AT THIS TIME, THE MOTION THAT IS ON THE FLOOR IS TO MOVE THAT COUNSEL, CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL JUNE 26TH AT 7:00 PM UM, THAT, THAT IS, UH, THAT IS THE MOTION AND TO NOT CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND SO, MS. PRESLEY, I THINK, UM, WE'RE READY TO TAKE A VOTE. COUNCILWOMAN DE TO MONICA PAYNE. YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS. YES. COUNCILMAN RAPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS? YES. VICE MAYOR SEAK? YES. OKAY. SO THE MOTION PASSES AND, UH, JUST THE ONE COMMENT I AM GONNA MAKE ABOUT THAT IS, UM, TO BE FAIR, WE WILL TRY TO GET OUR QUESTIONS TOGETHER AND, AND, UH, SO THAT WE CAN, I KNOW, SKIP, WHEN YOU SAID THAT, IT MADE ME THINK WE NEED TO, UH, GATHER OUR QUESTIONS, GATHER THINGS WE'VE HAD, PRESENT THAT TO STAFF, SO STAFF CAN GIVE THAT TO THE APPLICANT. AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS NEXT STEPS AFTER THAT. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. CAN I ADD ONE, ONE OTHER THING? SURE. MAYOR, I THINK, UH, I, I JUST WANT TO REINFORCE, UH, TO THE PUBLIC AND ALL THAT, UH, IS, UH, OUR, UH, GUEST, UH, SPEAKER, UH, OLEN, UH, ALLUDED TO VOLUNTEER. OKAY. VOLUNTARY, UH, PROFFERS ARE VOLUNTARY. WE CANNOT ASK, WE CANNOT ASK THAT [03:20:01] THE APPLICANT HAS TO VOLUNTEER. AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE SITUATION. AND, UH, UH, GOD WILLING WILL GET THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANNA ALSO ADD, THIS WAS NOT A REFLECTION OF THE INDECISIVENESS OF THIS TOWN COUNCIL CURRENTLY SETTING. WE DO HAVE THE AMBITION AND THE DRIVE AND THE VISION FOR WHERE WE WANT TO GO. WE HAVE HAD OUR RETREAT AND WE HAVE LEARNED TO WORK TOGETHER DESPITE OUR DIFFERENCES. HOWEVER, TO BE FAIR, WE WERE CONTACTED IN THE LAST 24 TO 48 BUSINESS HOURS BY THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE SCHOOLS AND THE COUNTY WITH QUESTIONS FROM THEM THAT WE ARE ALSO RELAYING. SO IT IS NOT A REFLECTION OF ONLY THE INDECISIVENESS AND LACK OF, UM, RESEARCH ON THE BEHALF OF THIS COUNCIL. THANK YOU. SO NUMBER, [8. PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS ] MOVING ON TO NUMBER EIGHT, . NUMBER EIGHT. UM, THAT IS ACTUALLY OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND I AM GOING TO CAUTIOUSLY SAY, DID ANYONE SIGN UP, MS. PRESLEY TO SPEAK? WE DO. OH, JUST, I'M TOTALLY KIDDING. . I'M TOTALLY KIDDING. IT'S ONLY 10 25. GO AHEAD. WE, WE, WE STILL HAVE 8, 9, 10, 11. NO, SERIOUSLY, WE SPOKE SON UP. UM, WE ACTUALLY, WE HAVE TWO, BUT WE'RE ONLY ONE LISTEN FROM ONE MICHAEL SUTTON. ABSOLUTELY. NOW, MISSED THE MOTIVATION TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE QUESTIONS ARE AND GET THEM TO YOU. YOU KNOW, I'M JUST MESSING AROUND, RIGHT? I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU AND I TALKED AT BIRTHDAY. I'M GONNA BE LIKE YOU SO FAST. YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT. , I GOT ONE PARAGRAPH. UM, AND IT, HONESTLY, IT'S JUST, UH, EN I THINK, UM, I HEARD THAT THERE'S SOME TRACTION ON, UH, UH, ON, UH, PROPOSAL THAT I BROUGHT TO THE BOARD A COUPLE TIMES. QUITE, QUITE A WAYS. HE'S BACK ABOUT EXTENDING, UH, SIDEWALK OR BETTER YET, GREENWAY DOWN WEST CREER ROAD. AND I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING IT, UM, VERY HEARTENED, IF THAT'S THE WORD. UM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S GOING ON. AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, UM, IF THERE IS ANY UPDATE TO BE GIVEN OR THAT'S NOT TO PUT YOU GUYS ON THE SPOT, IT'S REALLY MORE TO ASK IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, MORE THAT I COULD DO. AND I'VE BEEN BECOME INVOLVED WITH THE ES A COMMITTEE AS WELL SINCE THEN, CUZ THEY'VE BEEN SUCH A WONDERFUL, UH, ARMY OF PEOPLE JUST GO-GETTERS, GETTING THINGS DONE, UM, IN, IN HELPING WITH, UH, GETTING THE INFORMATION TOGETHER, WHAT MORE WE CAN DO TO HELP YOU IF THERE'S INFORMATION GATHERING OR ANYTHING ELSE TO, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE GOT, HAVE STUFF GOING IN THE BACKGROUND, BUT I DON'T WANNA GET IN THE WAY, BUT I, I JUST WANT TO HELP IF I CAN. THANK YOU. I, I BELIEVE THAT MR. UM, WALTZ, UH, HAS A PART. I BELIEVE YOU HAD AN UPDATE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA BE, IS THAT GONNA, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THAT UPDATE GONNA BE, YEAH, I CAN GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF UPDATE, BUT HE, WHEN HE, I WAS GONNA SAY HE CAN TALK ABOUT IT DURING YOUR TOWN MANAGER REPORT IF YOU JUST HANG TIGHT. GREAT. THAT'S, THAT'S NUMBER NINE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO WE'RE ON THERE. WE'RE WE'RE ON MOVING. OKAY. SO YOU'RE GOOD. YEAH. ALSO, I'D INVITE YOU TO ATTEND THE WARREN COUNTY FRONT ROYAL, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE FOR TRANSPORTATION. CUZ WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WALKABILITY AND ACCESSIBILITY, NOT JUST OTHER PARTS OF TRANSPORTATION. OKAY. UM, AND MS. COLORS IN THE BACK IS THE CHAIR OF THAT BOARD, AND SHE CAN GIVE YOU THE NEXT DATE AND TIME. IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO COME SIT IN THOSE MEETINGS. PERFECT CHAIR. THANK YOU. CHAIR NOTES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. UM, ANY, ANYBODY ELSE FOR NUMBER EIGHT? DID YOU WANT, SORRY. YOU'RE GOOD. I WILL BE VERY, VERY FAST. UM, I AGREE THAT THIS IS REASON FOR WHY WE SHOULD BE HAVING TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS. I KNOW I HAD A LOT OF PHONE CALLS TODAY FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE THEY WERE OUTTA TOWN FOR SPRING BREAK EVENTS. THEY MISSED THE WORK SESSION. THEY DIDN'T SEE THE TOWN COUNTY LIAISON MEETING UNTIL SOME OF 'EM THIS WEEKEND OR EVEN THIS MORNING, AND HAD COMMITMENTS THAT THEY COULDN'T RESCHEDULE. SO TO GIVE THE PUBLIC TWO CHANCES TO WEIGH IN ON, ON VERY IMPORTANT THINGS THAT AFFECT ALL OF US WOULD BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED IF YOU GUYS COULD CONSIDER, UM, AMENDING THE WAY THAT YOU HANDLE YOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS TO ADD THAT SECOND, SECOND ONE BACK IN. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN I SPEAK? OKAY. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA FINISH THE PUBLIC AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO THE REPORTER, YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU CAN SEE . I WANNA SAY ONE THING. , IT'S OKAY. YES. OKAY. MR. CER THOMAS, 35 SIERRA ROAD SHORES ROAD. VERY BRIEF. I HEARD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE LECH RUN PARKWAY, AND I RECALL THAT OUR COUNCIL AND JUST SITTING UP LIKE A BODY LIKE, LIKE YOU ALL WERE WHEN THAT WAS BEING CONSTRUCTED, WHAT THE IDEA BEHIND IT WAS NOT TO HAVE TRAFFIC LIGHTS ON IT. THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED A PARKWAY. WE WERE TRYING TO BUILD IT SO THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, [03:25:01] UH, LIKE A THOROUGHFARE AND YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BUILD ROADS ON THE SIDES THAT WOULD BRING UP TO JUST CERTAIN ENTRY POINTS. AND WE WERE HOPING THOSE ENTRY POINTS WOULDN'T NECESSITATE HAVING TRAFFIC LIGHTS. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. . THANK YOU MR. SAYER. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WISHES TO, TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT, SO [9.A. Report of Town Manager ] WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING ON TO THE REPORT OF TOWN MANAGER. I JUST WANNA SAY, I, I'M GONNA MAKE A JOKE HERE BECAUSE I'M SLAP HAPPY AND IT'S 10 30 AND I HAVE TO GIVE AN US HOME THE MORNING AND BE AUDITED. UM, BUT I JUST, SO AT SCHOOL WHEN WE WATCH A VIDEO, LIKE OF THE ANNOUNCEMENTS, YOU CAN LIKE SPEED IT UP, . SO I'M SITTING HERE THINKING TO MYSELF, IF EVERYBODY COULD JUST SPEED UP THEIR COMMENTS, . ALL RIGHT. NO PRESSURE. MR. WALTZ. , UH, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE, UH, WEST KRE SIDEWALK. UH, WE ARE RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY EXPLORING A TAP FEDERAL GRANT PROGRAM THAT OPENS UP HERE IN MID-MAY. UH, SO WE ARE TOWN STAFF IS TRYING TO GET IN POSITION TO PUT IN FOR THAT PROJECT. THAT FUNDING WOULD END, UH, THE APPLICATION WOULD END OCTOBER. UH, FUNDING WOULDN'T BE UNTIL NEXT OCTOBER, BUT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT GRANT FUNDING. SO WE ARE GONNA PURSUE THAT PROJECT AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHERS IN TOWN. AND HOPEFULLY BY MID-MAY, UH, TO LATE MAY, I SHOULD HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE AND WHAT OUR LIKELIHOOD WOULD BE TO GET THAT GRANT FUNDING FOR THAT SIDEWALK. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THAT WILL CONCLUDE MY REPORT TONIGHT. MARY . JOE, THANK YOU. UM, ALRIGHT, [9.B. Report of Councilmembers ] REPORTER, COUNCIL MEMBERS SPEAK OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE. ANYBODY? MELISSA, YOU SAID YOU WANTED THE COMMENT JUST VERY QUICKLY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TILL A PUBLIC HEARING. UM, WE ARE AVAILABLE, OUR EMAILS ARE ON THE SITE. PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT ANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE DISCUSS, IT'S VERY HELPFUL FOR YOU TO GIVE INFORMATION. WE GET A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT THERE'S ALSO, AS WE FOUND OUT, CONTINUALLY, UM, DISCOVERY THAT HAPPENS. SO PLEASE, IF YOU, UH, FIND YOURSELF CONTAINING INFORMATION, PLEASE COMMUNICATE WITH US. THANKS. OKAY. ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS? UH, JUST REAL QUICK, IF I MAY, ABOUT THE, UH, TOWN COUNCIL, THE COUNCIL AND, UH, CO, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS LIAISON MEETING. UH, THERE WERE OF COURSE, SEVERAL ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA. UH, I JUST WANNA PICK OUT A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS. THE, THE, UM, UH, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT I THINK, TOPICS WE DIS WE DISCUSSED WAS THE, UH, UH, WAS IT TOURISM? UH, THAT SITUATION. WE WERE ACTUALLY, THE TOWN IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON, ITS, UH, THE FINALIZING THE, UH, AGREEMENT WITH, UH, DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL. UH, THE COUNTY HAD EXPRESSED, UH, THE COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES EXPRESSED THEIR DESIRE TO GET THE AGREEMENT. UH, MEMBER OR THE MOU WORKED OUT WITH THEM IN PARALLEL AT THE SAME TIME. SO THERE WAS A MEETING TO BE HELD THIS WEEK AT MADAM MAYOR. I CAN'T, FOR LIFE OF ME, I DON'T, I GOT MY NOTES RIGHT HERE WRONG FOR ONE, THAT'S GONNA BE, BUT, UM, MAYBE JOE, UH, ABOUT, UM, UH, THE MEETING BETWEEN JOE AND, AND, AND WHO WAS IT BETWEEN DOLORES? UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TOURISM? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TOURISM? YEAH, THE, YEAH, THE TOURISM MEETING. YEAH. WE HAVE NOT SCHEDULED IT, BUT THE PLAN WAS FOR THEM. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THERE WAS GONNA, THERE WAS A TALK ABOUT HAVING A, A MEETING FOR THAT. SO I, I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT AT HIGH LEVEL. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO OKAY. IF ANYBODY, NO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS. YEP. I'LL GO AHEAD. UM, I'M NOT, UH, SO MUCH CELEBRATING, BUT I'M, I'M, UH, I'M LOOKING AT SIX MONTHS NOW ON THE COUNCIL, AND IT'S BEEN QUITE A RIDE. UM, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AS, AS THIS EVENING. UH, WE CERTAINLY GOT, UH, UH, EVIDENCE OF THAT. WE HAVE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR OBVIOUSLY YEARS THAT CONTINUE TO, UH, UH, THAT WE CONTINUE TO NEED TO ADDRESS AND THAT ARE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. I WANNA, I WANNA BRING SOMETHING UP TONIGHT BECAUSE I'M, I'M GONNA ASK FOR SOMETHING TO BE PUT ON THE, UH, ON THE AGENDA, BUT I TRIED TO GET SOME INFORMATION. I GOT AN EMAIL LAST WEEK REGARDING, UM, UH, REGARDING FRIA. AND, AND I THINK WE'LL BE TALKING MORE ABOUT THIS. AND, AND FRIDA IN TERMS OF OUR COMMUNITY IS, IS REALLY KIND OF AN ALTERNATIVE TO OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH, WITH OUR, OUR COUNTY PARTNERS AND THE E D A AND, AND IT'S BEEN QUIET FOR, UH, ABOUT THE LAST NINE MONTHS, I THINK SINCE LAST JUNE OR JULY, THE COMMITTEE OF FRIDA, UH, WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE TOWN, [03:30:01] UM, HASN'T MET. AND THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN A REASON TO MEET. BUT THE EMAIL THAT WENT OUT, UH, BOTHERED ME BECAUSE A DECISION WAS BEING MADE TO REENGAGE, UH, THE FREEDOM BOARD. UM, AND WHAT BOTHERED ME WAS THAT IT WAS AN INDEPENDENT DECISION NOT BEING, UH, ADDRESSED, UH, TO COUNSEL FOR COUNSEL APPROVAL. SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT FRIA AND TRANSPARENCY AND, UH, THE RELATIONSHIP TO OUR COUNTY IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. IN FACT, IT WAS, WAS ONE OF THE SUBJECTS THAT I ADDRESSED, UH, DURING MY INTERVIEW AS WELL AS THE FIRST MEETING THAT I ATTENDED. AND IT BOTHERED ME EVEN AT THAT MEETING WHEN IT, WHEN I WAS TOLD BY A COUNCILMAN THAT'S NO LONGER, UH, A MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL, THAT THAT DOOR IS SHUT, THAT THE RELATIONSHIP AND THE E D A, UM, WAS CLOSED. AND THEN, UH, IN, UH, EMAIL TRAFFIC, THIS, THIS, THIS WEEK AS WELL, UH, THERE WAS A KIND OF A REENGAGEMENT OF, LISTEN, THE, UH, BOAT HAS LEFT THE DOCK. UH, WE'RE BEYOND THAT. LET'S REENGAGE WITH FRIDA. I THINK RE-ENGAGING WITH FRIDA PERSONALLY, UH, SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE, UH, TO NOT ONLY OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COUNTY, UH, BUT IT ALSO SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE TO OUR BUSINESS PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS OUR, AS OUR RESIDENTS. UM, I AM, I HAVE GOTTEN SO MANY CONTACT CALLS REGARDING THE LACK OF NEED TO HAVE A SECOND E D A. SO WHAT I WANT TO DO, UH, IS TO, UH, REQUEST THAT WE PUT ON, UH, THE AGENDA, UH, FOR OPEN DISCUSSION AS WE'RE DOING HERE. AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL NOT TAKE THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THIS EVENING HAS TAKEN, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A DOWN TO EARTH DISCUSSION ON OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN NOT ONLY OUR COMMUNITY, BUT IN OUR COUNTY. SO I, I, I FORMALLY REQUEST THAT WE ADD THAT, UH, TO A HOPEFULLY UPCOMING AGENDA ITEM, UH, FOR DISCUSSION. AND I APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR ATTENTION, EVERYONE. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. I'LL JUST SPEAK TO THAT REALLY QUICKLY. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION FROM THE EMAIL EXCHANGES, IT IS ON THE MAY AGENDA FOR OUR WORK SESSION. AND WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THAT IN OPEN THE PRIOR DIRECTION GIVEN TO THE TOWN MANAGER, UM, IN MANY ASPECTS OF THE OTHER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE E D A ARE IN ACTIVE LITIGATION AND HAVE BEEN AN ENCLOSED SESSION TO INCLUDE IN THE MONTH OF APRIL. SO I WILL NOT SPEAK TO THAT. UM, HOWEVER, MY REPORT WAS GOING TO BE ON THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE. UM, I WILL JUST SAY IF YOU WANT THE FULL IN-DEPTH REPORT, WATCH THE TOWN COUNTY LIAISON MEETING. UM, IT'S BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH CHERYL AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. WE HAVE A GREAT ACTIVE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY IN ALL ASPECTS. UM, THEY WANT US TO THRIVE ECONOMICALLY. WE WANT THEM TO THRIVE ECONOMICALLY. HOWEVER WE GET THERE, WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT, JUST LIKE TOURISM. UM, SOME PEOPLE ON THIS COUNCIL ALSO QUESTIONED OUTSIDE OF THE CAMERAS, IF YOU KNOW, THE NEED FOR THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION COMMITTEE WAS NECESSARY, BUT WE VOTED TO SUPPORT THAT. AND, UM, AS WELL AS DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL, BECAUSE THEY WORK HAND IN HAND. UM, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE EAST MAIN CONNECTOR ON THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE. UM, THE TOWN AND COUNTY GOT A PARTIAL MAP TO VDOT. UH, THEY'RE GONNA FORECAST OUR TRIP GENERATIONS, THE COST ESTIMATE. THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT SCALING BACK THE LANES FROM FOUR LANES TO TWO LANES, AND THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT PHASING IT IN TO SUPPORT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UM, ADAM FROM V OTS, IF THE STUDY WILL DETERMINE IF THAT CONNECTOR'S GONNA COME OUT AT SEVENTH STREET OR EIGHTH STREET, THE STUDY WILL TAKE SIX MONTHS. UH, POTENTIALLY PHASE ONE OF THAT PROJECT WILL BE TO MARY SHADYS LANE, WHERE WE WOULD HAVE AN OPTICUM TYPE SYSTEM THAT WOULD ALLOW, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE AND RESCUE TO ACCESS THAT ROAD FROM MARY SHADYS LANE, WHICH IS A PRIVATE POINT OF ENTRY TWO, UM, SADDLE CREST OR ROUTE 6 0 6 TO AS SHORES, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. UM, THERE'S ALSO A STAR STUDY THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, SOME GRANT FUNDING FROM THE STATE, AND THAT'S RELEASED BY THE CENTRAL OFFICES PER DISTRICT CANDIDATES BASED ON A FIVE YEAR CRASH STUDY. SO WE'RE HIGHLY LIKELY TO QUALIFY FOR SOME OF THAT FUNDING. WE ALSO HAVE FOUND OUT THAT ROADS DO QUALIFY FOR SMART SCALE, AND WE JUST HAVE TO SHOW THE NEED FOR IT WITH THE SUPPORTING STUDY. AND IT'S NOT VERY COMPETITIVE, SO THAT'S PROMISING AS WELL. UM, THERE'S A REVENUE SHARING CAP OF 10 MILLION, AND LOCALITIES CAN GET THE 50% FROM THE STATE, AND WE CAN PUT THE OTHER 50% ENTIRELY ON THE DEVELOPER. SO THAT MEANS NO COST TO US LOCALLY FROM THE MUNICIPALITY. UM, AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND ASK FOR ONE MORE TIME FROM THE STATE BRINGING IT TO 20 MILLION. AND WE GET PRIORITY WHEN WE GO BACK THE SECOND TIME. UM, OUR [03:35:01] VIRGINIA TRANSIT NEEDS ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND FRONT ROYAL IS IN VERY GOOD SHAPE PER VDOT. UM, AS WE ARE DEEMED URBAN DEVELOPMENT, I WILL SAY, WE HAD DEVELOPERS SITTING AROUND THE TABLE WITH US AND VDOT SAID, THIS IS FANTASTIC. WHY WASN'T THIS DONE A LONG, LONG TIME AGO? SO, UM, IT'S BEEN VERY GOOD TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND INVITE STAKEHOLDERS. AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER TO, UM, I'M GONNA BUTCHER YOUR NAME CUZ I WRITE IT DOWN ON MR. SUTTON. UM, IT'S GONNA COVER TRANSPORTATION AS A WHOLE, WALKABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY, PARKING, UM, TRAFFIC, POTENTIAL ROUNDABOUTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE PLAN FOR A LONG TIME. SO, UM, I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME OR WATCH THE MINUTES OR LISTEN TO THEM FOR THOSE MEETINGS BECAUSE WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS IN THREE MONTHS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, DID YOU, OKAY, ACTUALLY, UH, UH, TO PIGGYBACK OFF THAT, UH, WILL THOSE MINUTES COUNTY WEBSITE, THEY, THEY ARE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, ADDRESS THE, UM, UH, THE, THE, THE PLAN FOR THE SIDEWALKS AND, UH, UH, ON, ON THE KREER ROAD, UH, AREA. UH, WE, WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THE, UH, TAKING SOME ACTION, UH, UP, UP AROUND THE SKATE PARK FROM THE WEST MAIN, PARTICULARLY TO EXTEND SOME KIND OF WALKWAY FROM, UH, THE TOP OF WEST MAIN, ABOVE NORTH STREET, UH, ALL THE WAY TO THE SKATE PARK ALONG THE RANDOLPH MACON ACADEMY. OKAY. ON THE EASEMENT, WE HAVE AN EASEMENT THERE. MM-HMM. AND, UH, UH, I LIVE ON THAT STREET. I SEE THE TRAFFIC ON THAT STREET. I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT KIDS ARE WALKING IN THE STREET. UH, LET'S GIVE THE SKATEBOARDERS A, A RIDE ON THE, UH, SIDEWALK IF THEY'LL USE IT. SO, UH, UH, THAT'S, UH, PRETTY MUCH ALL I GOT TO SAY EXCEPT, UH, GET YOUR LAWN MOWERS OUT PEOPLE. UH, I SEE A LOT. I WALK AROUND THE, UH, TOWN A LOT AND, UH, SEE A LOT OF TALL GRASS . UM, I NOTICED ON OSAGE STREET THAT SOMEONE HAS KICKED THE DOOR IN AGAIN ON, UH, ONE OF THE STRUCTURES, UH, DILAPIDATED STRUCTURES. UH, UH, SO IT WAS DOWN ON SATURDAY, SO, UH, OR FRIDAY. CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, NOT THAT IT'S A TOWN EVENT, BUT, UH, IT ATTENDED THE, UH, CHRIST, THE KING CHAPEL, UH, DEDICATION. IT'S AN OFTEN AWESOME STRUCTURE. IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TOUR IT, YOU SHOULD. UH, I THINK IT WAS A 25 MILLION PROJECT, MAYBE 30 MILLION. UH, I ATTENDED THE, UH, GIRLS LITTLE LEAGUE SOFTBALL OPENER. THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS KIND OF A, THAT WAS GREAT. YEAH, THAT WAS GREAT. THAT WAS GREAT. UH, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO SPEAK INTO A MICROPHONE, UH, . HE HAD TO SHOW ME HOW TO DO IT. . I THINK THE COMMENT WAS, UH, THIS IS WHY I'M NOT ON AMERICAN IDOL , UH, I'M PLAN ON ATTENDING THE, UH, ROCKLAND PRAYER GARDEN, UH, ON, UH, SATURDAY THE 29TH AT 10:00 AM UH, THEY'RE GONNA OPEN THAT UP ON. AND OTHER THAN THAT, UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I GOT. THANK [9.C. Report of the Mayor ] YOU. SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE REPORT OF THE MAYOR. I'M JUST GONNA DO BULLET POINTS. UH, IN THE PAST MONTH, I ATTENDED THE, UM, WARREN COUNTY DRUG ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING AND JUST ANNOUNCE AGAIN AT THIS POINT, THE FIRST DOCKET IS PLANNED FOR JULY 7TH IN WARREN COUNTY. UM, I ALSO ATTENDED THE SEXUAL ASSAULT CANDLELIGHT VIGIL HELD AT THE GAZEBO. UM, SURVIVORS AND SPEAKERS FROM BOTH LAUREL CENTER AND THE PHOENIX PROJECT SHARED SOME STATISTICS AND THE PROGRAMS THAT THEIR ORGANIZATIONS OFFER. UH, THE, THE PHOENIX PROJECT IS A LOCAL ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDES SERVICES TO SURVIVORS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. UH, THE TOWN COUNTY LIAISON MEETING WAS HELD LAST THURSDAY, AND AS ALWAYS, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO DISCUSS WHAT'S IMPORTANT IN OUR COMMUNITY. OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE HELD IN JULY AT TOWN HALL. UH, JUST THIS PAST SATURDAY I ATTENDED THE EARTH DAY EVENT, AND I KNOW OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT, SO I DON'T WANNA BE REDUNDANT. BUT, UM, EVEN AT 10:00 AM THERE WAS ACTUALLY A LARGE CROWD. UM, AND I ENJOYED WALKING AROUND AND CHECKING OUT THE DIFFERENT EXHIBITS. UM, ALTHOUGH [03:40:01] OUR PLAN WAS TO PLANT THE TREE BEHIND THE PAVILION AT 1:00 PM MOTHER NATURE HAD, UH, ANOTHER PLAN, BUT WE DID GET IT IN THE GROUND ABOUT 10 MINUTES BEFORE THE SKIES OPENED UP AND SOAKED EVERYONE. UM, I DO LOVE THE FACT THAT THE ISAC FOLKS, UM, WHICH I WAS GONNA SAY, THEY, THEY, UH, PUT A POSITIVE SPIN ON THE FACT THAT THE SKIES OPENED UP AND SAID, WELL, THE EARTH NEEDED WATER. SO THAT WAS KIND OF FUN. UM, ALSO, I JUST WANNA, UH, ESPECIALLY THANK OUR TOWN STAFF FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION IN BOTH THE VIGIL AND, UM, ESPECIALLY EARTH DAY. UH, THESE FOLKS ALWAYS HELP TO SET UP EVENTS LIKE THIS, AND THEN THEY COME IN LATER AND TEAR EVERYTHING DOWN. AND ON SATURDAY, WE'RE DOING IT IN THE RAIN AND WE'RE RETURNING IT BACK TO NORMAL. UH, ALSO ON SATURDAY DURING EARTH DAY, MANY OF OUR TOWN DEPARTMENTS ACTUALLY PARTICIPATED IN THE EVENT AND WERE SET UP AT TABLES AND SHARED INFORMATION AND KID FRIENDLY THINGS. I KNOW WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT WAS THERE IN THE REFUGE AND RECYCLING AND I, THERE WERE PROBABLY OTHERS. I JUST, UM, SO I DON'T, DON'T MEAN TO LEAVE ANYBODY OUT, BUT, BUT THEY DID TAKE TIME OUT OF THERE SATURDAY TO SERVE OUR CITIZENS, AND SO WE CAN'T THANK YOU ALL ENOUGH FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT, THAT'S ALL. I'M GONNA MOVE ON. [10. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ] NUMBER 10 IS THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. UM, DO I HEAR A MOTION, MADAM MAYOR, I'VE MOVED THAT. COUNSEL, APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS APP APPROVE IS PRESENTED. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION THERE? ACTUALLY, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH WE DON'T, WE DIDN'T, UH, FEEL AS THOUGH ANYBODY HAD ANY, UM, ANY, ANY ISSUES WITH THAT. SO ANYBODY OR MS. PRESLEY, DO A ROLL CALL? COUNCILWOMAN D DO PAYNE? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS? YES. VICE MAYOR SEAK? YES. [11. BUSINESS ITEMS ] OKAY. NUMBER 11, OUR BUSINESS ITEMS. UH, WE HAVE ONE ITEM, THE WAIVER OF CURB AND GUTTER INSTALLATION AT 7 0 9 AND SEVEN 11 CROSBY ROAD FOR JASON AND CHRISTINE. SON. IT SAYS, ALTHOUGH IN THE, IN THE LETTER IT SAID CHRISTIE, BUT ANYWAY, THE SUMMARY, MS. PRESLEY, I'M GONNA READ IT FOR YOU. OKAY. I'M JUST MOVING RIGHT ALONG HERE. SUMMARY, AS COUNSEL HAS REQUESTED TO CONSIDER THE WAIVER OF THE CURB AND GUTTER REQUIREMENT REQUESTED OF JASON AND CHRISTINE SIGN FOR THEIR TWO LOTS LOCATED AT 7 0 9 7-ELEVEN CROSBY ROAD, WHICH WAS CREATED VIA A MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAT AND APPROVED BY THE TOWN ON NOVEMBER 19TH, 2022. THE HOUSE LOCATION PLAN TO CONSTRUCT THE DUPLEXES ON THE LOTS WAS APPROVED BY THE TOWN ON FEBRUARY 16TH, 2023. CURB AND GUTTER IS REQUIRED ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE APPLICANT'S LOTS AND MAY BE WAIVED BY COUNCIL PER TOWN CODE 1 48 DASH EIGHT 50 C. UM, AND I'M GONNA SAVE EVERYONE THE TROUBLE OF ME READING TOWN CODE 1 48 8 50 C. IT'S IN THE AGENDA. COUNCIL SEES THAT. UM, I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL. IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I MOVE THAT COUNSEL DENY THE WAIVER OF THE CURBING REQUIREMENT AND REQUIREMENT REQUESTED OF JASON AND KRISTEN. SIGN FURTHER. TWO LOTS LOCATED AT 7 0 9 AND 7-ELEVEN CROSBY ROAD, WHICH WAS CREATED VIA MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAT AND APPROVED BY THE TOWN ON NOVEMBER 19TH, 2022. SECOND. OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND AND I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO COUNSEL FOR DISCUSSION. THE MOTION IS TO DENY THE WAIVER OF THE CURB AND GUTTER. UM, I ADDED THE WORD GUTTER IN THE MOTION CUZ IT WAS MISSING, BUT ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, DOES ANYBODY WISH TO, UM, SPEAK ON THE MOTION OR ANY DISCUSSION? I ADDRESSED IT AT OUR LAST WORK SESSION, BUT I'LL ADDRESS IT AGAIN FOR THOSE WHO ARE HERE WITH US TONIGHT OR PERHAPS STREAMING IT LIVE. UM, I KNOW THAT I ECHO THE SENTIMENT OF FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS WHEN I SAY THAT. UM, WE WANNA BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND WE WANNA BE FRIENDLY TO DO BUSINESS WITH, BUT THE WAIVERS OF CURB AND GUTTERS OVER THE YEARS, IN MY OPINION, HAS GOTTEN OUT OF HAND SO MUCH. SO AS TO THAT, WE'VE HAD THE DISCUSSION OF COUNCIL SHOULD EVEN BE, UM, APPROVING AND GRANTING WAIVERS. UM, THIS ISN'T FOR AN O OWNER-OCCUPIED RESIDENT. THIS IS FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AND SALE OF A PROPERTY THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO A FLOOD PLANE. UM, AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE COUNCIL'S AGENDA, THE BUDGET AND FUNDING SAYS THERE'S NO DIRECT IMPACT, BUT IT MAY HAVE AN IMPACT ON FUTURE BUDGETS. AND THAT IS, UM, [03:45:01] IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND PAY FOR THE CURB AND GUTTER ON THEIR BEHALF AT A LATER DATE. UM, SO THAT IS WHY I FEEL THE WAY I FEEL. WELL, MY CONCERN IS THAT PUTTING IN CARBON GUTTER IN A, IN A, IN A SPOT WHERE THERE'S NO CARBON GUTTER AROUND IT, IT CREATES EROSION ISSUES. UM, AND I KNOW THAT FROM EXPERIENCE, CAUSE I USED TO PUT CARBON GUTTER IN. SO IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT IT ON THOSE TWO LOCATIONS, I MEAN, UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA DO IT WITH THE WHOLE SECTION OR THE WHOLE SIDE OF THE STREET, YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA CREATE A, AN EROSION ISSUE ELSEWHERE. I AGREE. I MEAN, I THINK YOU SHOULD, THERE SHOULD BE A LINE DRAWN PERHAPS WHEN THERE ARE, WHEN THERE'RE FOR CARBON GUTTER WAVERS. BUT I THINK IN, GIVEN THIS CURRENT SETTING, UH, THE LACK OF IT, THEREFORE IN THE, IN THE SECTION OF THE STREET, IF YOU PUT CARBON GUTTER RIGHT THERE, YOU'RE GONNA CREATE A, IT'S GONNA CREATE A, UM, WELL, THERE'S NO DOUBT IT'S GONNA CREATE AN EROSION ISSUE, UH, ELSEWHERE. I'LL, I'LL SEE, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. OKAY. UM, I'LL, UH, SPEAK, UH, TO THAT, UH, CURB AND GUTTER ACTUALLY MAKES THE STREET TIGHTER. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES, UH, I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT, UH, THE, UH, UH, BOY, IT'S GETTING LATE. UH, IT'S, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE, THE AUDIENCE CANNOT SEE THE PICTURES, BUT, UH, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE EROSION, THE ROAD IS STARTING TO FALL APART ON THE EDGE BECAUSE THE ROAD IS NOT TIGHT WITH CURB AND GUTTER AND CURB AND GUTTER ALSO SENDS THE FLOW OF THE WATER DIRECTING TO A POINT OF, UH, WHERE IT BELONGS. IN THIS CASE, IT WILL BE DOWN NOR NEAR THE CREEK, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S NO STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. SO, UH, THAT'S MY POSITION ON IT. AND, UH, WELL, I'M GOING TO COUNTER THAT. THAT'S, UH, THAT'S, UH, WHERE I STAND THIS THE WORK SESSION. OKAY. SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. DOES ANY, UH, ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WISH TO SPEAK FOR THIS DISCUSSION? I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER INGRAM WAS NOT AT THIS WORK SESSION. UM, AND WE DID HAVE A LENGTHY DISCUSSION AND LAUREN CHIMED IN ABOUT THE EROSION AND THE POTENTIAL SIDE EFFECTS OF PUTTING IN CURB AND GUTTER IN ONE AREA AND NOT THE OTHER, AND THE PLANS FOR THIS ROAD IN THE FUTURE AND THE FLOOD MAP. LAUREN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE POTENTIAL EROSION IF WE PUT IN A PIECE OF CURB AND GUTTER? I MEAN, I THINK THE INTERPRETATION I GOT, WHICH I'M GONNA DUMB IT DOWN FOR YOU GUYS, LIKE SHE DID ME PUT IN CURB AND GUTTER WHERE YOU COME DOWN THAT HILL TOWARDS BEING CROSBY STADIUM IS GONNA WHOOSH THE WATER FASTER. IT WILL, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT, WHICH WATER FASTER. BUT IT'S, BUT THESE ARE LOTS ARE FURTHER DOWN. THEY'RE IN THE FLATTER PART. NO, NO. THESE LOTS, THE ONES THAT ARE GOING BY, YOU'RE GONNA WASH THE WATER ON SOMEBODY ELSE. SO WITH THIS LOT THE LOCATION OF THESE TWO TOWN HOMES, THEY ARE AT A HIGHER ELEVATION THAN THE LOWER PORTION OF THE STREET. I AM CONCERNED THAT IF YOU PUT CURB AND GUTTER IN HERE, YOU WILL CAUSE FASTER, YOU INCREASE VELOCITY OF THE FLOW OF WATER. SO IT'S SHEET FLOW, YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA PUT MORE WATER INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD. UM, IT'S, IT'S GONNA FLOW FASTER DOWNHILL INTO THERE TO THAT, TO THAT ONE SPOT OFF TO THE RIGHT THERE. BUT, UM, IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, I THINK YOU SHOULD DO IT ON THE WHOLE STREET. OKAY. ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WISH TO, UM, ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? ANYBODY? ALL RIGHT. OKAY. MS. PRESLEY, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO MOVE THAT COUNCIL DENY THE WAIVER OF THE CURB AND GUTTER REQUIREMENT. COUNCILWOMAN INDEED. DEMO PAYNE? YES. COUNCILMAN INGRAM? NO. COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS? NO. BECAUSE I WAS GIVEN DIFFERENT INFORMATION FROM STAFF TONIGHT THAN THE WORK SESSION. COUNCILMAN RAMPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS? NO. VICE MAYOR SEAK? YES. IS A TIE. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I WAS. I JUST BRAGGED TO THE GIRL SCOUTS EARLIER TONIGHT, BUT IN MY TIME AS MAYOR, I HAD NOT HAD TO BREAK A TIE. SO YEAH, I FEEL, I KNOW, I FEEL LIKE, UM, SO I AM, MY THOUGHT ON THIS AND, AND I THINK, I BELIEVE I SHARED THIS AT THE WORK SESSION, IS THAT, IS THAT THE CONTINUE WAVING OF THE CURB AND GUTTER, AND THEN WHEN WE DO PUT IN, OR, OR, UH, [03:50:01] WHEN WE GET TO A POINT WHERE ON THAT STREET WE ARE PUTTING IN CURB AND GUTTER, THEN THE TOWN CITIZENS ARE GONNA PAY FOR THE ENTIRE STREET TO PUT THAT CURB AND GUTTER IN, UM, THIS, THIS APPLICANT FOR THE WAIVER OR ACTUALLY TO, TO SELL THE HOMES. AND SO THE EXPENSE OF PUTTING IN THE CURB AND GUTTER WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME, WOULD BE PASSED ON TO, UM, THE HOMEOWNER THAT'S GONNA BE PURCHASING IT. AND I, I, I FEEL IF WE CONTINUE TO, UH, WAIVE IT EVERY TIME, THEN I DON'T EVEN, THEN I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHY WE HAVE, WHY, WHY, WHY HAVE THE, WHY HAVE THE POLICY IF WE'RE NOT GONNA FOLLOW IT. THAT'S, THAT'S HOW I FEEL. NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF MOVING FORWARD COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TO GET RID OF THE POLICY OF REQUIRING CURB AND GUTTER, BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE GONNA ASK THEM TO DO THE SAME THING. SO ANYWAY, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I AM GOING TO VOTE YES TO DENY THE WAIVER. SO ENDING ON A HIGH NOTE HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO IT IS NOW EIGHT MINUTES OF 11, [12. CLOSED MEETING ] MADAME MAYOR, AND I AM 12 IS THE CLOSED MEETING. MADAME MAYOR, I MOVE THAT TOWN. COUNCIL CONVENE IN A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 8 8 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL. SPECIFICALLY PROPOSED AGREEMENT WITH DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL INC. GO HAVE A SEC. SECOND. ALRIGHT, WE GOT A FIRST AND SECOND, AND SO WE NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL, RIGHT. COUNCILWOMAN DE MONICA PAYNE? YES. COUNCIL INGRAM? YES. COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS? YES. COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? YES. COUNCILMAN ROGERS? YES. VICE MAYOR SEAK? YES. OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE IN TO CLOSE MEETING COUNCIL MEMBERS. EVERYBODY PROBABLY NEEDS TO DO A REAL QUICK POTTY BREAK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.