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[Town Council Work Session on April 10, 2023.]
THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, APRIL 10TH TO ORDER.UM, I'M ALREADY GETTING AN EMAIL SAYING THAT THERE'S NO VIDEO, BUT HOPEFULLY, I'M NOT SURE WHY I'M ALREADY GET THE PRESSES ALREADY EMAILED.
YEAH, I'M SURE THEY'LL EMAIL BACK IF IT DOESN'T, BUT ANYWAY.
PRESLEY, CAN YOU DO MAYOR HERE? COUNCILWOMAN HERE.
ALL RIGHT, SO UP FIRST, UH, TONIGHT IS, UM, THE REZONING APPLICATION AMENDMENT OF THE ZONING MAP OF THE TOWN OF FRONT WORLD TO RECLASS APPROXIMATELY 43.9 ACRES.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS FOR THE AGENDA TONIGHT? YES.
UM, MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD TONIGHT'S AGENDA THAT WE, UM, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER, UM, THE LANGUAGE OF IT, A RESOLUTION REGARDING, UM, A 5 0 9 PROGRAM, UM, FOR MAIN STREET, EXPLOR MAIN STREET.
YEAH, SECOND IS THAT, I GUESS I JUST, WE JUST NEED TO ASK IS IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT? COUNCILMAN? UH, UH, INGRAM, ARE YOU OKAY WITH ADDING THAT TO OUR AGENDA? I DO.
SO I KNOW THAT WE NEED TO ADD THAT.
DO WE HAVE TO ADD THAT? AND IN A PARTICULAR NUMBER? UH, COULD WHAT? CUZ I, IT WOULDN'T BE UNDER A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WOULD IT BE BETWEEN TWO AND THREE? MOST OF THE TIME IT'S USUALLY THE LAST ITEM, BUT THAT'S TOTALLY AFTER COUNSEL.
WELL, SINCE THE LAST ITEM IS GOAL SETTING, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, HOW ABOUT, UM, WE PUT IT BETWEEN, UM, ACTUALLY I'M, I'M GONNA SUGGEST WE PUT IT AFTER FOUR AND BEFORE FIVE, CUZ THAT WOULD BE AFTER I ENSLAVED FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA AND BEFORE WE GET TO THE LIAISON, UM, COMMITTEE MEETING DISCUSSION.
UM, SO AGAIN,
AND LAUREN, I BELIEVE YOU'RE GONNA BE LEADING US IN THAT DISCUSSION.
AND HERE'S SOMEHOW THE PODIUM GOT MOVED OVER HERE.
I, I WAS GONNA SAY, I'LL MOVE IT HERE AGAIN FOR YOU.
I THINK IT ONLY HERE SO PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU ON THE VIDEO.
SO THE APPLICANT HERE IS NV R AND THEY ARE SO SUBMITTED A REZONING FOR WHO'S THIS FOR SADDLE CCRS.
AND SO IT'S LOCATED NORTH OF HAPPY CREEK AND LEK PARKWAY IN THE AREA OUTLINED IN YELLOW THERE.
UM, SO WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS A REZONING TO R ONE A DESIGNATION.
SO IT'S A LOT SIZE IS ABOUT 7,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 44 ACRES.
THE, THIS IS GONE THROUGH A COUPLE ITERATIONS FROM THE, FROM WHEN IT WAS FIRST SUBMITTED IN SEPTEMBER.
SO THE INITIAL SUBMISSION, I THINK WAS LIKE SOMEWHERE AROUND 140 HOMES, THEN 134, AND I BELIEVE NOW IT'S DOWN TO 128 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES WITH TWO CAR GARAGES.
AND THIS GIVES US A DENSITY OF ABOUT THREE UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE STREETS BUILT TO, UM, TOWN STANDARDS, SO PUBLIC STREET, THE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.
AND, UM, YOU HAVE THE LANDSCAPING
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ALONG THE RAILROAD TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE SOUND ISSUES.AND, UM, THEY WOULD TIE INTO OUR, OUR UTILITY SYSTEM.
AND SO HERE, THESE ARE JUST VIEWS FROM THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO AT THE, UM, DECEMBER 7TH PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION PLANNING COMMISSION HAD ASKED FOR SOME CHANGES TO THE INITIAL PLAN.
SO THAT INCLUDED THAT FIVE AND A HALF ACRES OF RIGHT OF WAY RESERVATION.
SO THIS IS IN CASE THE TOWN EVER DECIDES TO EXTEND LEACH RUN PARKWAY VIA THE FLYOVER.
THE LAND IS THERE, AND THIS GIVES US ANOTHER OPTION TO THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR.
THEY'VE ALSO ADDED IN WALKING TRAILS AND A PLAY AREA.
AND THEN THEY HAVE ALSO VOLUNTARILY PROFFERED $3,600 PER UNIT FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, MINUS THE CREDIT FOR THE BUY RIGHT UNITS.
AND THEIR BUY RIGHT UNITS WOULD BE ABOUT ONE, UM, DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST PLAN AND THE AREA SHADED AND GREEN IS WHAT, UM, THEY DECIDED TO DEDICATE FOR THE FLYOVER.
SO IT CHANGED, UM, THEY LOST LOTS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AND PUT IN THE TRAILS.
AND THEN THE NEWEST PLAN, I'M SORRY IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO READ HERE, BUT YOUR PRINTOUTS SHOWS THE NEWEST ITERATION, WHICH HAS THE APPLICANT CONSTRUCTING A PORTION OF THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR AND CLOSING THE ENTRANCE OFF OF SHENDO SHORES AND HAVING THE ENTRANCE OF THE PROPERTY FROM THIS PROPOSED EAST WEST CONNECTOR.
AND THIS IS JUST A GENERAL EXAMPLE OF THE HOMES TO BE BUILT.
I CAN TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE.
THEY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I THINK I'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE, BUT, SO UNDER OUR CURRENT ZONING, HOW MANY BY RIGHT? HOW MANY? HOW MANY JOHN? 44.
SO WE'RE GOING FROM 44 TO 1 28 BECAUSE IT WAS 1 34.
CAN YOU GO BACK A COUPLE SLIDES? THERE WAS A, UM, ONE MORE.
YOU MENTIONED, SO THE CREDIT, THE, THE, THE BUY RIGHT ZONING, WHAT, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? SO PROVERS INCLUDED 3,600 PER UNIT FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
SORRY, RICK, WHAT DID I EXPLAIN? YEAH, I CAN CLARIFY.
SO THE EXISTING DOWNING, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD ALLOW 44 LOTS, BUT THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD GET 44 LOTS CAUSE WE'D HAVE TO BUILD ROADS.
SO WE DETERMINED IT WAS ABOUT 30 LOTS, SO WE'RE TAKING CREDIT FOR 30 LOTS, NOT 44.
THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD EVER GET 44 LOTS OUT YOU STREETS AND PONDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, SO.
SO THAT, THAT 24% WAS, UH, UH, REPRESENTED AGAINST THE, UM, 134 UNITS.
SO I GUESS THEY'LL CHANGE UP OR DOWN IF WE DON'T HAVE MANY UNITS YET, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE 128, SO, SO 128 MONTHS, THE 30, WE'D BE LIKE 98.
I'M PROBABLY, IT MIGHT BE 26, 25 0.8% OR SOMETHING.
WE DIDN'T TAKE CREDIT FOR 44 LOTS.
I JUST ABOUT THIS WHOLE PROPER THING IS I'M STILL LEARNING IT JUST, IT'S JUST MATH.
BUT YOU'D BE SURPRISED SOME PEOPLE DON'T GET THEIR MATH RIGHT.
AND THOSE, THAT WOULD BE THE, ARE THOSE THE ONLY PROFFERS THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING THERE? THERE'S, UH, THERE WERE MORE THERE OTHER PROPERTIES.
THEY, YOU, THIS WAS SUBMITTED TO ME.
THEY HAVE A NEW SET OF PROPERS.
UM, AND THESE WERE SUBMITTED ON THE 15TH OF MARCH AND IT ADDRESSES ALL OF THE, UM, OUTSIDE ATTORNEY, UH, OLAN SIMMONS'S COMMENTS.
UM, BUT BASICALLY IT SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL, THEY MADE AN AMENDMENT, UH, TO THEIR DETAILED PLAN.
I THINK IT THAT, AND THAT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION FOR PUBLIC WATER.
SO WE'RE JUST CLARIFYING THAT, UM, WHAT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR VERSUS, UH, BUT THEY HAVE ADDRESSED AND THAT ALL OF ALARM'S COMMENTS AND VDOT.
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UM, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE, I JUST WANNA, I KNOW A LOT, THIS IS IN OUR NOTES, I'M ASKING QUESTIONS SO THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, THAT, THAT THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE.THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING.
SO, UM, IS, SO VITA'S SUGGESTIONS WERE, WHEN, WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING OVER THIS BEFORE, UH, DID THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS INITIALLY? UM, THEY DIDN'T OFFER COMMENTS AND THEN I BELIEVE THE NEXT ROUND OF COMMENTS WERE THAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR AND THAT THE FLYOVER MAY NOT BE THE MOST FEASIBLE ROUTE TO GET PEOPLE UP AND OVER THE RAILROAD JUST BECAUSE OF THE COST.
IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT WE
NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I HAVE COMMENT.
I'M DOING THAT DEBRIEF ANYMORE.
I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, AND THIS IS MAYBE URGENT GENERIC QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY THOUGHT ABOUT HOW MANY, I MEAN, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY, I I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A NO, IF THERE'S A WAY TO COME UP WITH THIS NUMBER, BUT IS THERE ANY, UH, PROJECTION AS TO HOW, WHAT I KNOW YOU, I KNOW IT'S LISTED HERE FOR HOUSING SHORTAGE IN TOWN.
HOW MUCH OF A RELIEF FOR THESE HOUSES HAVE A SHORTAGE IN TOWN? I MEAN, HOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE, I MEAN, ARE YOU, HOW, HOW DO, IS THERE ANY KIND OF A QUANTIFICATION GUESS OR ESTIMATE FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE FROM IN TOWN, LIKE IN THIS AREA THAT ARE GONNA BE MOVING OUT THERE TO THAT AREA? LIKE BUYING HOUSES THAT LIVE HERE IN TOWN TO, TO, YOU MEAN SHIFTING FROM RIGHT.
SHIFTING FROM FROM WHERE THEIR CURRENT LOCATION.
IS THERE ANY ESTIMATE FROM WHAT THEY THINK HISTORICALLY OR DON'T? I DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF METRIC.
YEAH, I'M SAYING, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST, IT WAS A GENERIC QUESTION.
UM, I KNOW ACCORDING TO THE COMP PLAN RESEARCH THAT WE DID, WE DO HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE IN TOWN.
UM, NO, I I ANY NEW HOW STOCK WE HAVE WILL HELP ALLEVIATE THAT.
BUT I, I COULDN'T TELL YOU IF IT'S GONNA BE PEOPLE SHIFTING AROUND TOWN OR IF IT'S GONNA BE FULL.
AND AGAIN, WILL IT BECAUSE OF, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE IT'LL BE PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN AND THE, AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE, UM, JUST THE PRICE ON IT DOES NOT MATCH THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OKAY, I GUESS.
BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, GONNA BE WHATEVER THEY SAID, TWO AND A HALF PEOPLE PER HOME, UM, AT LEAST.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER, UM, UM, 3, 4, 3, 400 PEOPLE AT LEAST.
IT COULD BE THREE HIGH 300 S MM-HMM.
I THINK I, I ASKED THAT ONE TIME, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS IN THIS MEETING WHERE I ASKED ABOUT, AND I ASKED THAT LAST WEEK TOO MM-HMM.
UM, AND IT'S JUST THE PRICE POINT OF THE, OF WHAT'S PREDICTED FOR THIS HOUSE.
AND I, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I ASKED THAT LAST BALL, SO IT MIGHT HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN.
UM, DO, DO I ASK THEM, DO I ASK YOU, DO I IN THE, UM, THAT LETTER THAT WE SUBMITTED, I BELIEVE THEY SAID HIGH THREE HUNDREDS LOW FOR? YES.
AND IT WAS LIKE A 6,200 TO 2200 SQUARE FOOT HOME.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT A A WORTHY HOUSE, I'M JUST SAYING IF WE'RE THINKING LIKE RESIDENTS MAKING 50, 60,000 PER FAMILY, IT'S, IT'S A STRETCH.
WELL, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUTERS GOING IN AND THEY GO DOWN THERE, THERE ARE BETTER COMMUTERS.
THEY'RE MAKING SOME BUGS DOWN, DOWN, SEE, AND PREVIOUS COUNCILS AND BOARDS IDEN IDENTIFIED THIS AREA AS, UH, FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR MORE DENSE USE.
SO, AND, AND IT'S ALSO IN OUR COMP, WELL
SO IN BOTH, IN BOTH COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, SO IN THE OLDER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MM-HMM.
THIS PORTION OF CHILD THAT NORTH OF HAPPY CREEK IS SUPPOSED TO MUCH HIGHER DENSITY.
SO THIS IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH BOTH COMP PLANS THAT HOPEFUL FEATURE.
ONE, DOES THE LATEST VERSION OF THE COMP PLAN STILL HAVE THE WEST IDEA IN THERE? THE MAP SHOWING IT ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WITH A BUFFER AROUND IT HAS BEEN REMOVED.
BUT ONLY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE
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EXACT ROUTE OF THE EAST WEST CONNECTED.STILL IN THE TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER TO HAVE THAT THERE.
I, I REMEMBER THAT WAS GONNA BE REMOVED AT LEAST I THOUGHT IT WAS.
AND WITH THAT MADAM MAYOR, I'LL ADD THAT, UM, STUDY ON THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE.
WE'VE BEEN MEETING, I THINK WE'RE MEETING WEEKLY OR BIWEEKLY INITIALLY, AND THEN IT'S BEEN A MONTH.
UM, WE'VE ONLY HAD TWO DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE ATTENDED THESE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR TRANSPORTATION AND, AND VR IS ONE OF THEM.
AND YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN VERY WILLING AND HELPFUL AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE VDOT WORKING WITH US TO HAVE A STUDY NOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY REVIEWED THE MINUTES FROM THAT MEETING LAST WEEK.
IT WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID IT SINCE BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL, GROWTH IS INEVITABLE.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A VISION FOR GROWTH.
UM, AND WHAT WE WANNA, IT'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED OUT IN THAT AREA AT SOME POINT NO MATTER HOW IT'S DEVELOPED.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT WE WANT THAT TO LOOK LIKE COMING DOWN TO WHAT THE ROAD LOOKS LIKE.
WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW TWO LANE ROAD VERSUS FOUR LANE ROAD, UM MM-HMM.
UM, BUT MBR HAS BEEN VERY WILLING TO DO WHATEVER THEY CAN FOR THEIR PART FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S BEEN VERY REASSURING AND PROMISING.
THIS COUNCIL HAS SEEN DEVELOPERS COME BEFORE US WHO AREN'T WILLING TO EVEN HAVE MANY CONVERSATIONS.
SO THE FACT THAT THEY'VE SHOWED UP TO EVERY SINGLE MEETING AND WORKED WITH THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE IN THE COUNTY, UM, HAS BEEN VERY REFRESHING.
SAY THE LADIES, I SHOULD, I SHOULD ADD, UH, SOMEWHERE IN THE LANGUAGE THAT I'VE BEEN READING, THERE'S BEEN A LOT TO READ ABOUT THIS.
UH, IF, IF NV R WOULD PARTICIPATE IN, IN THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, THAT COULD AFFECT THE PROFFERS AS FAR AS THE 5.5 ACRES, UH, FOR THIS LEASES RUN PARKWAY.
UH, I BELIEVE I SAW THAT IN A CORRESPONDENCE FROM, UH, MR LAW.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? FOR THE LEE RUN PARKWAY? UH, THAT POTENTIALLY THERE, THERE WAS, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A LETTER THAT THAT STATED THAT, THAT THE, THAT THE PROFFERS COULD, WILL CHANGE IF THEY INVEST IN SAY, HELPING WITH THE ROAD.
THAT, THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM A POTENTIAL FUTURE, UH, ACCESS WITH THE FLY WITH THE FLYOVER VDOT HAS SAID THE FLYOVERS OUT COMPLETELY WELL THAT, OKAY.
VDOT SAID THE MEETING, IT'S, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE AND IT'S NEVER COMING TO WARREN COUNTY.
YOU CAN'T ALWAYS BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ IN THE NEWSPAPER.
BUT, UH, TWO DAYS AGO, OR THREE DAYS AGO, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS ADAM CAMPBELL, HE ATTENDED THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND HE MENTIONED THAT THE COST BETWEEN THE, I BELIEVE IT WAS 25 TO 40 MILLION VERSUS THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROCKLAND 5 35 TO 40 MILLION FOR THE FLYOVER.
YEAH, I READ THAT ARTICLE TOO.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE THAT THE PUBLIC SEEING THAT THERE'S, SO THEY MIGHT BE THINKING IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL IN THE AIR THAT STILL EMPLOY YEAH.
THEY'RE NOT TAKING AWAY THE FIVE AND A HALF ACRES THAT THEY'VE DEDICATED FOR THE FLYOVER THAT STAYS MM-HMM.
I'M GONNA ASK, DO YOU MIND, WE, WE DON'T ALWAYS DO THIS DURING WORK SESSIONS, BUT I'M GONNA ASK MR. LAWSON TO SPEAK TO, TO COUNCILMAN WRAP REPORTS CUZ YOU'RE RIGHT HERE AND YOU CAN ANSWER IT EASIER THAN WE CAN SIT HERE AND TRY TO INTERPRET WHAT WE'VE READ.
UM, ALL, ALL WE INTENDED TO DO WAS, WAS TO GIVE YOU THE UPDATE.
WE HAVE PARTICIPATED, UH, IN THE, THE TOWN COUNTY MEETINGS AND WE'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS LOUD AND CLEAR, WHICH IS, CAN YOU DO SOMETHING TO START THIS EAST WEST CONNECTOR? MM-HMM.
UM, AND SO WE, WE HAVE, UH, SHOWN YOU THAT IN, IN THIS DRAWING.
AND MY ONLY POINT WAS THE PROFFERS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU NOW SHOW THE, THE 5.5 ACRES PLUS THE WALKING TRAILS AND SO ON FOR, FOR LEECH RUN.
AND IT DID SHOW THE POSSIBILITY OF CONNECTING TO THE EAST WEST.
BUT WHAT WE'RE ALSO DOING, AND WE GAVE YOU A COPY OF THAT, WE HAD OUR ENGINEERS DRAW THE BEGINNING OF, OF A TWO-LANE ROAD TO BE OUR NEW ENTRANCE INSTEAD OF DOING A DIRECT ENTRANCE TO, TO SOUTHERN SHORES.
AND THAT WE, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU ALL WOULD, UH, SHE DO IS SHORES.
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ABOUT THE BEACH, BUT, BUT, UM, WHAT, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS IF, IF YOU ALL FIND THAT ATTRACTIVE AND, AND WE'VE BEEN HEARING FROM THIS JOINT MEETING THAT IT IS, WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND BUILD THAT AND THEN HAVE OUR ENTRANCE COME IN TO THE COMMUNITY RIGHT THERE.CAN YOU VERIFY IT'S DOWN IN THIS AREA HERE? YES SIR.
AND REMEMBER WE HAD AN ENTRANCE HERE AND, AND THAT WOULD GO AWAY, BUT WE WOULD LEAVE THE, THE FIVE AND A HALF.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, HAVING RECREATION ON SITE.
WE ALREADY HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT TRAIL NETWORK AND A LOT OF OPEN SPACE AND NBR KIND OF LIKES WHAT, WHAT THEY COME UP WITH HERE.
WE THINK, THINK IT'D BE VERY NICE TO LIVE THERE.
YOU COULD STAY AND PLAY BALL FIELD AND NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE THE SIDEWALKS FOR, FOR WALKING AND RIDING AND SO ON, BUT WE ALSO HAVE ONE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.
SO NONE OF THAT CHANGES THE FACT THAT THEY LESSENED THE WHOLE MULTIPLE TIMES.
CUZ DURING THESE MEETINGS, ADAM VDOT WAS PRESENT FOR LAST WEEK'S MEETING, ADAM CAMPBELL.
AND WE'VE DISCUSSED A LOT OF THINGS EVEN, YOU KNOW, 6 0 6 TYING INTO THE END OF LE RUN PARKWAY, WHICH IS HOW IT WAS INITIALLY SUPPOSED TO BE, WHERE THE STOP LIGHT IS, INSTEAD OF COMING OUT, TAKING A RIGHT, GETTING A LEFT TURN LANE, TAKING A LEFT AND GOING OVER THERE JUST TO MAKE IT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND, UM, NVR COULD SQUEEZE A FEW MORE HOMES OUT OF IT, BUT THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, DOING THAT, WHICH HAS BEEN NICE.
I I WANT TO GIVE ANYBODY ANY MORE TIME TO ASK ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS CAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY, SINCE WE'VE GOT ALL THE KEY PLAYERS HERE, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION RIGHT HERE.
YOU HAD AN INTEREST AND EXIT AT ONE TIME? YES.
WHY WAS THAT TAKEN OUT? THAT WAS, IF YOU GO BACK, THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO WOULD YOU SHOW A FUTURE CONNECTION IF THE EAST WEST EVER GETS BUILT? AND YOU'LL RECALL IN THE PROF THERE IS, DO YOU RECALL IN THE PROFFERS, UH, WE HAVE A, A CONNECTION TO SHENANDOAH SHORES, THAT'S OUR MAIN ENTRANCE UNDER THE, THE OLD DRAWING.
AND THEN WE WERE ASKED, WELL WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR WERE WERE BUILT? WOULD YOU SET ASIDE SOME PROPERTY TO BUILD A NEW ENTRANCE ONTO THAT AND THEN DO AWAY WITH YOUR EXISTING ENTRANCE? AND WE SAID WE WOULD AND WE WROTE THAT INTO THE PROPERS AND GAVE AN OPTION TO THE TOWN TO, TO MAKE THAT DEMAND.
AND IN RESPONSE WE WOULD DO THAT.
WE THEN EVOLVED FURTHER AND, AND PARTICIPATED IN THESE JOINT MEETINGS AND HEARD AND WE HOPEFULLY WE'VE CORRECTLY HEARD THAT NO, NO, NO.
WHAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO IS TO START THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR.
AND SO THAT'S HOW IT'S, IF I COULD POINT, THAT'S HOW IT'S EVOLVED TO THIS.
IF, IF THE REST OF, I SHOULDN'T SAY IF WHEN THE REST OF THIS GETS BUILT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S, THAT'S DOWN THE WAY.
THERE'LL BE TWO ENTRANCES IN AND OUT OF THIS COMMUNITY, UM, FOR TRAFFIC FOR PURPOSES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO IT'S KIND OF A CONVERTIBLE, BUT WE'RE INVOLVING IN, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE TWO TWO ENTRANCE IN EXIT.
CAUSE IT'S UNDERSTAND TOO, CAN'T HELP BUT DO A PLUG OR WE, WE HAD A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE KITTLESON AND, AND IT WAS REMARKABLE THAT THE ONE ENTRANCE, UM, WE MAINTAINED A LEVEL OF SERVICE NOT ONLY ON YOUR A B I NEVER SEE B ON PROJECTS.
SO I I WAS JUST, IT WAS, IT WAS QUITE IMPRESSIVE WITH THE ONE ENTRANCE.
BUT IF WE HEAR YOU AND WE'RE PROVIDING FOR THE TWO.
COULD YOU, WE DISCUSSED HOW MUCH OF THAT PORTION OF THE CONNECTOR WOULD BE COMPLETED.
I KNOW THE PROPERTY OWNERS DOWN TO THE LEFT, THERE'S TWO PROPERTY, THREE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE, TWO OF 'EM HAVE TALKED TO NBR, ALL DEVELOP, ALL INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING THAT LAND.
BUT I THINK IF, WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO ADAM, AND IT'S A STRETCH, IT'S GONNA TAKE SIX MONTHS FOR THE STUDY AND THAT'S EXPEDITED, BUT WOULD THAT BE 20% OF THE CONNECTOR THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE COMPLETED ON THAT LAND IF YOU HAD ALL, ALL OF THE PARCELS ARE RIGHT LAND BASED DEVELOPED.
I THINK YOU GET BETWEEN 25 50% OF THAT EAST WEST CONNECTOR PILL.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? WHY DO YOU MEAN BY IF, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO PLAN.
I DON'T, THERE ARE NO PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO PLANNING AND ZONING TO DEVELOP THOSE PROCESS.
AND I GOT, I THINK I THOUGHT SHE WAS ASKING THOUGH, WHAT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
ALL THEY, WELL I'M GONNA SAY YELLOW, LIKE HOW
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MUCH OF THE CONNECTOR ROAD WOULD BE FINISHED IF ALL OF THAT.AM I, AM I ASKING THE WRONG? NO, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
BUT WE HAD SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPERS WHO ARE IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT TOO, WHO WERE INTERESTED IN GIVING THEIR PORTION FOR THE CONNECTOR AS WELL, WHICH WOULD TAKE US TO ALMOST 50%.
BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS ALMOST 20% PASS PRESS.
ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU GET PAST SETTLE PRESS, CUZ I BELIEVE THIS IS ALMOST A 2000 STRETCH, ISN'T IT? YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO PUT INTO PERSPECTIVE FOR COUNSEL HOW MUCH OF A LARGE CHUNK THIS WOULD START.
I'M SAYING HOW MUCH OF IT WOULD BE, YEAH, I MEAN, AND SO FROM MY NOTES FROM IT WAS APRIL FIFTH'S MEETING.
UM, VIDO STUDY WILL DETERMINE IF THE CONNECTOR'S GONNA COME OUT ON SEVENTH VERSUS EIGHTH STREET.
IT'S A SIX MONTH STUDY TO SEE IF WE HAVE TO HAVE A TWO LANEER, A FOUR LANE.
BUT PHASE ONE WOULD ESSENTIALLY ULTIMATELY COME OUT TO MARY SHADYS LANE, WHICH WOULD INITIALLY NOT BE OPEN TO PUBLIC ACCESS, BUT IT WOULD BE FOR EMERGENCY PERSONNEL.
LIKE AN OPTICUM SYSTEM COULD ACCESS FROM MARY SHADYS LANE THROUGH TO SADDLE CREST.
UM, AND ADAM CAMPBELL MENTIONED A STAR STUDY.
UM, IT'S GRANT FUNDING FROM THE STATE FOR SAFETY, WHICH, SO VIDOT DID DELIVER SOME BAD NEWS.
RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS NOT CONSIDERED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS HOW THEY RATE THINGS.
SO FATALITIES AND ACCIDENTS IS NOT WHY HAPPY CREEK PHASE TWO RATED SO LOW.
UM, THE HOSPITAL DOESN'T COUNT.
UM, AND REALLY EVEN GETTING A GROCERY STORE, ANY LIGHT RETAIL COMMERCIAL ON LERON PARKWAY WOULD NOT COUNT EITHER AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'RE RANKED ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WE'RE CONSIDERED AN URBAN, AN URBAN GROWTH AREA.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET FUNDING ON THAT SCALE FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT THERE IS, YEAH, WITH THE CURRENT ZONING, WHICH IT SEEMS LIKE WE'LL GO THE OPPOSITE WAY IF IT CHANGES MUCH, BUT THE STAR STUDY IS A SAFETY STUDY THAT GIVES GRANT FUNDING AND THE VDOT CENTRAL OFFICES DICTATE THAT.
SO WITH ADAM WORKING ON THIS STUDY, UM, AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT COMING, IT'S BASED ON A FIVE YEAR STUDY, IT'S A LOT MORE PROMISING THAT WE WOULD GET SOME FUNDING.
AND INITIALLY THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS TOLD THAT WE COULDN'T QUALIFY FOR REVENUE SHARING ON NEW ROADS AND THAT WAS NOT ACCURATE INFORMATION.
WE CAN QUALIFY FOR REVENUE SHARING, BUT AS YOU GUYS KNOW, I'M SURE REVENUE SHARING IS 50 50.
SO THE STATE PAYS 50, WE PAY 50, WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY ANY OF THE 50.
THE DEVELOPERS, WHICH I'M SURE THEY DON'T WANNA HEAR THIS, BUT DEVELOPERS AND PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS CAN PAY THAT 50%.
THE LOCALITY DOESN'T HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE ANY, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA BE LIKE, I DON'T WANNA BE LIKE THAT.
THIS SPREAD'S IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THERE'S A 10 MILLION CAP ON THAT REVENUE AND YOU CAN REAPPLY FOR A SECOND ROUND OF 10 MILLION FOR THE REVENUE SHARING.
AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN THE FIRST ROUND ARE ON A HIGHER PRIORITY FOR THE SECOND ROUND OF DISTRIBUTION.
SO, UM, IF SOMEBODY'S ALREADY LOCALITY'S ALREADY RECEIVED 10 MILLION, THEY'RE MOST LIKELY TO GET THE NEXT SET OF THE SECOND 10 MILLION.
SO WE CAN GET UP TO 20 MILLION IN THAT FUNDING.
THAT WAS WHAT WAS HAPPY CREEK PHASE TOO.
AND THE REASON WE RANKED SOLO OR ESSENTIALLY NEVER JOE WAS THERE FOR THIS MEETING AS WELL AS LAUREN.
BASICALLY HE TOLD US IN A VERY NICE WAY THAT WE'RE NEVER GONNA QUALIFY FOR THAT, FOR THAT AREA.
I DON'T SEE HOW ANY AREA IN TOWN LIMITS IS EVER GONNA QUALIFY CUZ THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMING.
LIKE WE DON'T HAVE A MANUFACTURER COMING OUT THERE OR DATA CENTER, INDUSTRIAL, INDUSTRIAL PART.
AND THE INDUSTRIAL PART DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY, UM, FUNCTIONAL AND BEING OPERATED MOST OF IT BY THINGS THAT AREN'T INDUSTRIAL.
SO THAT'S, THEY DID ADDRESS THAT AT THE MEETING TOO.
THERE'S SCHOOLS, THERE'S THE HUMANE SOCIETY, THERE'S LIKE, IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF AIR PACK I THINK.
THERE'S A COUPLE BUT NOT ENOUGH TO QUALIFY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, THEY'RE BUILT SO IT'S GOTTA BE NEW.
IT'S GOTTA BE NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, I BELIEVE IS YEAH.
AND YOU SETTLE ON THE TRANSPORTATION.
AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REVISING THAT.
I WAS VERY SURPRISED TO LEARN.
I THOUGHT I KNEW WHAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WAS UNTIL I, IT WAS VERY NARROW.
UM, AND IT WAS SET UP APPARENTLY FOR, FOR FUTURE THINGS.
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I TEND TO VIEW THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS, IS GROWTH.SO IF YOU'RE AN EXISTING PLANT, YOU DOUBLE YOUR SIZE.
WELL THAT'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THAT OUGHT TO BE COUNTED.
THE FACT THAT YOU'RE IN AN URBAN, UH, GROWTH AREA, THAT'S ACTUALLY A BOX THAT GETS CHECKED IN YOUR FAVOR FOR SMART SCALE, THAT'S GONNA STAY THE SAME.
I FEEL STRONGLY THAT THE DEFINITION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS ALSO GONNA CHANGE.
SO IF THE HOSPITAL WERE TO GROW MM-HMM.
UM, SO YOU THERE ADAM WAS GREAT.
HE HE DID A GOOD JOB GOING THROUGH A WHOLE BUNDLE OF, OF BUCKETS OF PROGRAMS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S HARD CUZ YOU JUST CONFLATE 'EM ALL TOGETHER AND THEY'RE NOT THE SAME, THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT.
UM, BUT HE'S, HE'S COMMITTED AND V OTS COMMITTED TO WORK WITH THE TOWN TO HELP PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER.
HE SAID, THIS IS GONNA BE BUILT OVER TIME THIS EAST WEST CONNECTOR AND PROBABLY YOUR BEST SHOT IS TO GET DEVELOPERS TO DO IT.
AND THEN WHAT HE ALSO COMMITTED TO DO WAS TO DO A STUDY CUZ THIS THING IS A FOUR-LANE BOULEVARD.
I DON'T THINK YOU NEED A FOUR-LANE BOULEVARD.
WE NEED TO GET A ROAD THAT PEOPLE CAN GO UP AND DOWN AND MAYBE WE'LL GET SO LUCKY THAT THAT THING WILL GET BUSY.
THAT WE NEED TO ADD OUT OTHER LANES.
BUT IF WE'RE ALL WAITING FOR THIS FOUR-LANE THING AND THE COST THAT GOES WITH IT, WE'LL BE WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
SO NBR HEARD THAT AND THAT'S WHY THEY'VE STARTED THIS ROAD.
THEY, THEY SWITCHED THEIR ENTRANCE FLIPPED OVER, MAKING TWO LANES GO LONGER TO GET TO THAT FIRST ENTRANCE AT AN ADDITIONAL COST TO THEM.
AND THEN WE ALSO DID TALK ABOUT SAFETY.
MARY SHADY IS A POSSIBILITY CUZ THAT GETS YOU OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
WE ALSO CONTACTED VDOT AND THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO SAY, IF, IF THERE'S A DIRE SITUATION, YOU NEED TO HAND SOMEBODY OFF TO THE EMERGENCY PART OF, OF, OF, UH, 66, YOU CAN DO THAT.
THAT'S WHAT THE ROADS ARE FOR.
AND THEN WE ALSO GAVE LAUREN A CONTACT INFORMATION NUMBER FOR PUBLIC RELATIONS FOR NORFOLK SOUTHERN.
THAT WAS THE BIGGEST THING THAT CAME OUT OF THAT GETTING, WE GOT A CELL NUMBER FROM SOMEBODY I KNOW DOWN IN RICHMOND AND THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO GIVE IT TO US.
THAT WAS MY, THAT WAS MY TASK.
IS THAT YOUR JOB? THAT WAS MY JOB, YEAH.
SO ANYWAY, WELL HE KEPT CALLING BUT THEY WERE A LITTLE PREOCCUPIED WITH THEIR DERAILMENT
WELL WE, WE'VE GOT HIM NOW AND IT'S FROM THE HEAD OF, OF RAIL SERVICES FOR THE STATE.
UH, JENNIFER DERU GAVE YOU THAT NUMBER.
AND, UH, SO HOPEFULLY THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
SOME KNUCKLEHEAD TURNING THE MACHINE OFF AND PROTEST OR WHATEVER HAPPENED.
UM, BUT
BUT I THINK WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT.
AND THIS ISN'T THE WHOLE ROAD, BUT IT, IT'S THE START.
AND I THINK ONCE PEOPLE START TO SEE IT, AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE THOSE OTHER SEGMENTS COME ONLINE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO REALISTICALLY.
VDOT SAID A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE WOULD BE A 20 YEAR PROJECT.
THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, THE STUDY THIS WEEK, THE TOWN AND COUNTY, WE'RE GONNA GET THE PARCEL MAP TO VDOT.
UM, AFTER THAT, THE EXPEDITING IT, THE STUDY WILL HAVE A FORECAST OF TRIP GENERATIONS ON THIS ROAD.
IT'LL HAVE A COST ESTIMATE AND THEY'LL KNOW IF WE CAN SCALE BACK THE LANES AND PHASE IT IN TO SUPPORT OUR CURRENT COMP PLAN.
SO NPR HAS REALLY TAKEN ON AND VOLUNTEERED, YOU KNOW, PROFFERS ARE VOLUNTEERING TO DO THIS PORTION OF IT, WHICH I JUST THINK SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER DEVELOPERS WERE PRESENT, WERE INTERESTED IN DOING THAT TOO.
AND THEN THE LAST THING I WAS GONNA ADD WAS, UM, THE SMART SCALE IN MY NOTES, ADAM SAID THAT IT'S NOT COMPETITIVE, THAT WAS THE TERM THAT HE USED.
SO HE SAID IT WAS A LOT MORE COMPETITIVE FOR THE REVENUE SHARING VERSUS THE SMART SCALE.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S VERY PROMISING.
AND THEN THE REASON THAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT TWO LANES INSTEAD OF FOUR LANES.
OBVIOUSLY COST WAS HUGE, BUT IT'S NOT THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THIS.
ROUTE 6 0 6 ENTRANCE IS STILL THERE.
SO YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE PEOPLE THAT TAKE HAPPY CREEK ROAD ALL THE TIME.
AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE NEW PEOPLE THAT TAKE THE CONNECTOR, BUT
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IT'S GONNA NARROW THE TRAFFIC DOWN IN THE HAPPY CREEK PHASE TWO SECTION.CUZ THEY'RE STILL GONNA, THEY'RE LIKE, THEY'RE GONNA COINCIDE THE ROADS THROUGH THERE.
BUT YOU'LL HAVE PEOPLE THAT USE EACH ONE.
I'M GONNA, I WAS GONNA SAY, I WAS GONNA SAY, UH, GIVEN A 20 YEAR, UH, TIMEFRAME WITHOUT THE DEVELOPERS OKAY.
UH, FROM THE, UH, CENTOR SHORES ROAD TO WHERE THE INNER PARCEL IS THERE, IF YOU WILL, TO THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR, WHAT ARE, WHAT, WHAT TIMEFRAME WOULD WE BE LOOKING AT TO GET THAT FOR THE SECOND EXIT? THAT'S WHAT THE SIX MONTH STUDY IS GONNA SHOW.
I'M ASKING, UH, HOW LONG, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG? THREE YEARS, TWO YEARS CONSTRUCTION OF THE INITIAL SECTION HERE.
YEAH, I MEAN I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IF, IF SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC HAPPENED INSIDE THE BUILDING, YOU NEED THAT SECOND, I THINK YOU NEED THAT SECOND EXIT OUT BECAUSE THEN, THEN EVERYONE IS LOCKED IN.
THERE'S NO THAT, THAT'S MY POINT.
A A A GAS BILL, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.
AND WE DID GET TEMPORARY APPROVAL, AS HE MENTIONED FROM VDOT.
KRISTEN COLLEGE HAS ALLOWED THEM TO USE THEIR LAND AT THE BAG.
SO IF THERE WERE AN EVENT WHERE FIRETRUCK, AGAIN, IN THE FACILITY, IN THE FACILITY ITSELF, I'M TALKING ABOUT INSIDE.
AND THE ARGUMENT IS THAT CAN HAPPEN IN THE SUBDIVISION THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING THERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN I CALLED IT LANDLOCKED LAST MONDAY.
SO, SO THEY WILL THIS THIS WILL YEAH.
ARE YOU ASKING BRUCE HOW LONG I'M ASKING, I'M ASKING IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS INSIDE HERE AND YOU CAN'T GET OUT OF HERE.
WILL, WILL THERE BE AN EXIT IN SOME TIMEFRAME AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTIES INSIDE AS THEY CONTINUE FRAME? CAUSE WE GOTTA GO TO THE OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT ARE GONNA BE TO THE WEST OF THE CONNECTOR.
THE TIMEFRAME IS WHAT THE STUDY IS GOING TO SHOW.
I'M, I'M JUST, I'M JUST EXPLAINING, UH, SITUATIONS.
UH, I I LIVED IN CHRIS WILLIAM COUNTY CONCERN, YOUR SHARING CONCERN MS. WILLIAM COUNTY YEAH.
REQUIRES A SECOND, SECOND ATTEMPT.
THE, THE SHORT ANSWER IS THIS, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE TOWN IN THE VARIOUS AGENCIES.
FIRE AND RESCUE, I WOULD THINK WOULD BE PROBABLY THE MOST SPOT ON FOR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND, AND WELL ACTUALLY, WE HAD
AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THAT ACTUALLY THE ENTRANCE, THE ONE ENTRANCE WAS SUFFICIENT FOR FIRE AND RESCUE PURPOSES AND SO ON.
I DO KNOW THAT AS YOU GET TO A LARGER COMMUNITY, YOU, YOU HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I'VE ALSO SEEN SITUATIONS WHERE THEY MAKE 'EM A LITTLE WIDER SO THAT IF THERE WERE A BLOCKAGE AT ONE PLACE, THE RESCUE COULD GET AROUND IT AND SO ON.
BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AGENCY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN POSITIVE FOR THE, FOR THE ENTRANCE.
I I THINK WHAT WAS BEING ASKED WAS HOW MUCH LONGER BEFORE THE REST OF THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR.
THAT'S NOT MY THAT'LL COME ONLINE.
MR. LASANO WAS KIND ENOUGH TO SAY, YES, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND USE THE ROAD, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL.
TO THE RIGHT OF WAY AND AND AGREEING TO DO THAT.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN INSTALL TO THAT ENTRANCE ON THE, AND START THE WEST CONNECTOR OTHERS CAN AS WELL.
AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS ONCE IT GOES PAST US FOR THESE OTHERS, WE WE'RE, WE'RE SETTING ASIDE GROUND FOR THAT SECOND CONNECTION.
BUT IT'S, IT'S FROM OUR AGENCY REVIEWS, IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARY FROM AN EMERGENCY, UH, PERSPECTIVE, UH, AT THIS POINT.
UH, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, AND I'VE SEEN THAT ON LARGER COMMUNITIES AND I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN IT WHERE THEY'LL, THEY'LL DO SCENARIOS WHERE THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LITTLE MEDIAN FOR EVEN MUCH LARGER COMMUNITIES SO THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU JUST HAVE THE ONE STREET, THERE'S STILL AN ABILITY OR A DIVIDER SO THAT PEOPLE, IF ONE'S BLOCK, CAN GET IN AND OUT, UH, THROUGH THE OTHER ONE.
SO THEIR MECHANISMS THAT ARE IN PLACE, EVEN WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE ONE CONNECTION AND USUALLY YOUR, YOUR FIRE AND RESCUE PEOPLE ARE PRETTY SQUARED AWAY
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AND, AND THEY GIVE YOU COMMENTS ON, ON THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.SO I, I JUST WANNA EMPHASIZE ON THE, ON THE FIDO STUDY THAT, AGAIN, UH, WE'D MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, HAVING THAT STUDY, ACCORDING TO WHAT TARN WAS MENTIONING, THAT PUTS US IN A MUCH, MUCH BETTER SPOT.
AND YOU DON'T KNOW ANY ANSWERS DEFINITIVELY WITHOUT THE STUDY.
SO THAT THEY, THAT PUTS US, SHE SAID HISTORICALLY IT PUTS, PUTS US IN A BETTER POSITION.
ADAM REITERATED THAT POSITION.
FUNDING FOR FUNDING, ADAM REITERATED THAT AS WELL BECAUSE WHEN BDOT COMES IN AND DOES THE STUDY, UH, THE ONE IN BENTONVILLE JUST RECENTLY HAPPENED, LIKE AT EXPEDITED SPEED WITHIN TWO YEARS.
IT WAS DURING CHERYL'S FIRST TERM.
BUT ONCE VDOT DOES THE STUDY, THEY'RE INVOLVED AND THEY KIND OF HAVE STAKE IN IT AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, SO, AND LIKE I SAID, THE ONE TYPE OF FUNDING COMES FROM THE CENTRAL OFFICES.
SO ONCE WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE ADAM INVOLVED WHO WAS PRESENT AT THAT MEETING, IT WAS ALL VERY POSITIVE.
HE CAN GO AND ADVOCATE FOR US IN THAT REGARD.
I'M GONNA GO ROUND AGAIN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY, COUNCILMAN ROGERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR? NO, I JUST AT THIS TIME COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT BRUCE AND OTHERS HAVE SAID, I I, I THINK MY CONCERN, AND I'VE EXPRESSED IT BEFORE, AND I THINK THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, AS A WHOLE, UM, I'M NOT SURE.
THERE'S MANY FOLKS THAT DON'T REALIZE THAT WE'RE A GROWING COMMUNITY AND, AND, AND WE NEED TO BE, UM, OUR CONCERN IS EMERGENCY.
THAT'S BEEN MY NUMBER ONE ISSUE IS, IS INGRESS AND EGRESS.
WE GOT A PROBLEM WITH A RAILROAD.
WE'VE GOT A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PLANNED.
UH, AND THE POTENTIAL FOR A DISASTER TO HAPPEN.
SO THE MORE I HEAR THAT OUR DEVELOPERS ARE GETTING ENGAGED IN DEVELOPING ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
SO I'M ON BOARD, UH, IN THAT CASE AND, AND, AND WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO JUST KIND OF GETTING A BETTER SENSE.
WE ALL WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, IS THIS A 10 YEAR PLAN FOR AN EAST WEST? IS IT A 15 YEAR PLAN? IS IT A 20? RIGHT? IT'S BASED ON OTHER OWNERS AND SO FORTH AND UH, BUT POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPERS TO GET ENGAGED ON THAT LEVEL AND HELP US WITH IT.
COUNCILMAN UH, VICE MAYOR SEAK, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? JUST A COMMENT.
I SEE WHAT BRUCE IS SAYING AND I'M GONNA BACK TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DAYS.
IF WE HAVE SOMETHING ON SAY LOT 24 OR LOT ONE 10, THE PEOPLE UP HERE ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET OUT.
CAUSE I CAN GUARANTEE YOU FROM DRIVING A FIRE TRUCK, THAT ROAD'S GONNA BE COMPLETELY BLOCKED.
CAN THIS BE MADE WHERE THEY CAN GET OUT IN AN EMERGENCY? IT COULD.
ANOTHER SCENARIO COULD BE YOU COULD, YOU COULD PUT SOMETHING HARD IN HERE, STONE OR SOMETHING SO THAT THE, THE, THE OLD, UH, ENTRANCE OR THE ONE THAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT WAS, WAS A ROUTE UNTIL THAT CAME.
SEE IF YOU'RE GOING IN HERE, YOU GET HERE, HERE, HERE OR HERE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA LOOK AT THAT HIS WAY EITHER.
YOU'RE GONNA LOCK IT DOWN, IT'S GONNA BE LOCKED DOWN AGAIN, THERE'S GONNA BE HOSES AND TRUCKS SITTING EVERYWHERE.
WELL WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT AND PUT, PUT SOMETHING DOWN, PUT SOME KIND OF A BASE.
YOU SEE IT AROUND BUILDINGS RIGHT.
YOU GOT GRASS COMING UP, BUT YOU CAN DRIVE AROUND AND SO ON AND, AND PUT A HEAVY TRUCK ON IT.
AND TOO, I MEAN THAT, THAT WOULD HELP EVERY DAY.
A HEAVY TRUCK ONE TIME IF LAW ENFORCEMENT GOT HUNG UP IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
BUT I WILL SAY I WOULD MR. LAWSON, ONE THING, YOU KNOW, LIKE PUTTING DOWN STONE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S, IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE QUALITY OF ROAD THAT WOULD BE DRIVEN ON EVERY DAY.
IT WOULD BE LITERALLY LIKE IN THE, IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY IT'D BE ENOUGH OR WHATEVER.
WELL, THAT'S HOW IT'S WELL, YOU DON'T WANT CAN BLOWING THROUGH THERE.
YOU WANT IT JUST FOR EMERGENCY.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THE, UH, WAS THIS BEING REMOVED? I MEAN, WAS THIS JUST GONNA BE LIKE A SOIL OR SOMETHING? OR JUST A JUST GRASS AREA OR WE, WE LOSE A LOT AND UM, A BUILDING LOT.
AND SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE GRADED OUT AND AGAIN, WE COULD, WE COULD PUT SOME STONE DOWN THERE OR SOMETHING TO, TO BEEF IT UP.
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YEAH.I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT, BUT WE PROBABLY WANT IT TO BE GREEN AND, AND NOT ON SIGHTLY.
I UP THROUGH THAT, WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT THAT WOULD BE, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE EVENTUALLY AN, I'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE DEVELOPMENT.
LIKE FOR NOW, LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY CHANGE, THEY ACTUALLY CHAIN 'EM OFF JUST LIKE THROUGH THE INTERSTATE CHANGE THE CROSSOVER THEY USED TO ANYWAY, RIGHT? YEAH.
LIKE, LIKE A KNOX BOX IN A WAY.
WE DID OUR SUBCOMMITTEE, WE WERE, THAT WAS MARY'S SHADY.
SO THEY'RE OUT AT NORTH WARREN COMPANY 10 FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAVE AN OPTUM SYSTEM THAT ONLY EMERGENCY PERSONNEL CAN ACCESS.
YOU JUST PUSH A BUTTON AND IT GOES UP AND DOWN.
BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE COST EFFICIENT FOR WHAT'S GONNA EVENTUALLY BE AN ENTRANCE AND EXIT THERE ANYWAY.
WE WOULD JUST NEED LITTLE WE WERE, BUT YEAH, AT THE END OF MARY SHADYS LAND WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY COMPANY HAS A, LIKE AN OPTICUM SYSTEM.
THAT'S ONLY FOR THEM TO GET TO 5 22.
CAUSE WE SHARE TRUCKS BETWEEN EVERYWHERE NOW.
ALL EMERGENCY ACCESS VEHICLES WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT FOR MARY'S SHADY AS WELL.
SO COUNCILMAN GROOM, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I JUST WANNA GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY.
I'M GONNA GO BACK AROUND REAL QUICK.
I HAVE TO SAY JUST THAT I'M PLEASANTLY PLEASED WITH NV R I WAS, UH, VERY OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT INITIALLY.
UM, FOR ME IT'S NOT INGRESS AND EGRESS ON SADDLE CREST, IT'S SHENANDOAH SHORES IN GENERAL.
UM, THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS THAT LIVE OUT HERE IN A VERY SIMILAR SUBDIVISION HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED FOR A LONG TIME WHEN IT CAME TO HEALTH AND SAFETY.
AND IT WAS REALLY A PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY MATTER.
AND, UM, I'M JUST REALLY PROUD TO WORK WITH ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SAT ON THIS TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE.
WE HAVE A SHORT-TERM EMERGENCY ACCESS IN PLACE NOW.
WE HAVE A LONG-TERM PLAN AND WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE PUTTING THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS.
WOMAN D DOMINICAN? NO, I'M GOOD.
WELL, I FEEL, UH, THAT IT'S MY DUE DILIGENCE TO BRING UP, UH, THE, THE, THE COUNTY'S, UH, POSITION ON THE SCHOOLS.
UM, SO, UH, HAS THERE BEEN ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNTY, UH, BECAUSE THEY FELT THAT THERE WERE, THERE WAS A RELATIVELY, UH, SIGNIFICANT DISCREPANCY BETWEEN WHAT THEY BELIEVE, UH, VERSUS WHAT, WHAT IS BEING PROFIT? SO NOW, WHEN I TALKED TO THE COUNTY, WHEN I TALKED TO THE COUNTY, I DIDN'T, I DON'T WELL, GO AHEAD.
WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY? THEY'VE LOOKED THROUGH ALL OF THIS, RIGHT? THEY'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND THEY DID SUBMIT COMMENTS.
THEY, THEIR NUMBER I BELIEVE CAME IN HIGHER THAN WHAT BEING VOLUNTARILY PROFFERED? UM, WELL IT WAS SIGNIFICANT.
IT WAS LIKE EIGHT $8,070 VERSUS, UH, 35, 36, 36.
I, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION THAT, HAS THERE BEEN ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNTY OR HOW, HOW THEY NOT SINCE THOSE INITIAL, NOT SINCE THAT INITIAL, THEY SUBMITTED THEIR COMMENTS TO US, BUT THAT'S IT.
BUT BECAUSE THE TOWN DOES NOT YEAH.
WE'RE NOT OVER THE SCHOOLS, SO I I I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT THE COUNTY, UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE, WE HAVE KIDS THAT GO, IT'S JUST LIKE I DISCUSSED LAST WEEK THAT, UM, THAT THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A, A SITUATION WHERE THE TOWN WOULD BE, UM, THE TOWN'S IN A POSITION WHERE THEY'RE DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT TO ZONE FOR A DEVELOPMENT.
BUT WE REALLY ARE, WE REALLY ARE TAKING ON THE RES WE ARE REALLY APPROVING OR NOT APPROVING IT.
WE COULD POSSIBLY BE HAVING THE COUNTY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE STUDENTS IN ADDITION TO OUR SCHOOL.
SO I KNOW WHAT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
LET, LET ME CLARIFY ONE THING.
UH, ACTUALLY IT, IT WAS 4,035 FOR THE PARKS AND 47 35 FOR THE SCHOOLS.
YOU'RE OFFERED 3,600 PER WHAT WE WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING THEIR NUMBER.
IF YOU FACTOR IN THE CREDIT, NOT AT 44, BUT AT THE 30 NUMBER THAT THAT RICK TALKED ABOUT.
AND THEN ON PARKS AND REC, BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LAND, IT'S FIVE AND A HALF ACRES.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S OTHER, THE ACREAGE ALL AROUND IT WITH WALKING TRAILS.
OUR THINKING WAS THAT OUR PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA PUT A BURDEN ON ON PARKS.
OUR PEOPLE ARE GONNA RECREATE HERE.
UH, NOT ONLY WITH WITH THE HOUSES AND THE YARDS, BUT THE
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WALKING TRAILS, THE BALL FIELDS AND, AND OTHER PROPERTY THAT, THAT WE'VE BUILT INTO THIS.WE'VE KIND OF BEEN WALKED OURSELVES INTO IT, I GUESS BY SETTING ASIDE THE, THE GREEN ON THE RIGHT FOR, FOR LEECH RUN.
UH, BUT WE KINDA LIKE IT THE, THE WAY IT'S, IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED AND WE THINK IT'LL BE VERY, IT'S A LOT OF AMENITIES FOR FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE AND THEY'LL BE RECREATING HERE AS OPPOSED TO, TO PUTTING A BURDEN ON THE COUNTY PARTS.
AND THE COUNTY HAS ATTENDED THIS TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE HERE AND SPECIFICALLY SPOKE WITH YOU AND I THINK THEY REALIZED THE SIGNIFICANCE AND THE CONNECTOR ROAD BECAUSE THE CONNECTOR ROAD IS ON THE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS WELL.
SO THAT ROAD DEFINITELY OFFSETS IN A SMALL MARGINAL DIFFERENCE.
IT'S A COST, IT'S AN EXTRA COST THAT WE'RE PRO IF WE DO THIS.
THE COUNTY WAS PLEASED WITH THAT.
AND YOU WILL BE OFFSITE, UH, IMPACTS, UH, FINANCIAL IMPACTS THAT WILL BE GAINED FROM THIS.
MR. LAWSON, THIS ISN'T IN RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID, IT'S JUST A RESPONSE IS BECAUSE WE, WE HAD ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT DONATING PARK TO, UM, DONATING A PARK WITH A DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING, LIKE, UH, WALKING TRAILS AND, AND YOU KNOW, BALL FIELDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT A WALKING TRAIL? YOUR HOPE IS THAT IT STAYS DOWN FROM PEOPLE WALKING ON IT, RIGHT? LIKE, LIKE YOU'RE HOPING IT'S, BUT IS THERE, I I'M ONLY ASKING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GREAT QUESTION.
WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE PARKS, CUZ WE'VE HEARD THAT RECENTLY, OH, WE'RE GONNA DONATE A PARK AND THAT ALL SOUNDS LOVELY, BUT THEN THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBLE FOR A PARK THAT THEY STRUGGLE TO MAINTAIN THE PARKS THEY'VE GOT NOW.
THAT'S A KEY, THAT'S A KEY DISTINCTION AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
WE, WE ARE PROFFERING, THIS IS PART OF A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE PAYING DUES TO A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AND PART OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE GONNA MAINTAIN ALL OF THIS.
AND I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK ABOUT A TRAIL, BUT NO, THERE WILL BE MAINTENANCE OKAY.
THAT'LL BE PAID FOR BY THESE RESIDENTS.
NO, NO, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
IT'S LIKE, THANKS FOR THE GIFT AND THEN WE GOTTA TAKE CARE OF THIS
WE, WE, I PARTICULARLY DON'T ENJOY GIFTING THE COUNTY PARKS.
NO, IT'S A GREAT, IT'S A GREAT GOOD, UH, POINT TO BRING UP.
THE, THE COST OF THOSE DUTIES WON'T BE THAT BAD.
WELL, AND THAT'S ALL PART OF WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO LIVE THERE OR NOT.
THEN THEY, THEY KNOW ABOUT THEIR HOA STUFF BEFORE.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS TOPIC? NOPE.
WELL, WE ARE SEVEN MONTHS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE ON OUR, ON OUR LITTLE TIMELINE TIME.
UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING IN AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY KNOWS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THEY CAN CONTACT YOU ALL.
WE'LL CONTACT LAUREN, CONTACT YOU ALL.
I, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THREE.
IT'S TOO LATE NOW, BUT YOU KNOW HOW WE, WE WERE DOING ADDITIONS AND DELETIONS.
I THINK WE WERE ACTUALLY GONNA, IT'S TOO LATE FOR ME TO DO THAT.
CAN I DO IT LATER AGAIN? CAN, IS IT TOO LATE FOR ME TO DO AN ADDITION OR DELETION? BECAUSE WE WERE GONNA DELETE THREE B.
YEAH, WE WERE GONNA REMOVE, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO REMOVE ONE, BUT WE GOT SO CAUGHT UP ON A ONE.
UM, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO PROPOSE, UH, THE REMOVAL OF ITEM THREE B THATAM? MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE REMOVE ITEM THREE B, ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 98 PERTAINING TO BUSINESS LICENSE TAX, MOBILE FOOD UNIT.
MY SECOND MS. PRESTON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO ROLL CALLS? COUNCILWOMAN LEAD MONICA PAYNES? YES.
I'M SORRY I'M MOVE OFF MY GAME TONIGHT.
UH, IT'S THE NURSE ALL WEEK LONG.
THREE A UH, IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT NEXT.
TEXT AMENDMENT TO TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 75 TO PERMIT THE CREATION OF THE CEMETERY AND THE R THREE ZONING DISTRICT WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION.
SO CURRENTLY CEMETERIES ARE ONLY PERMITTED IN THE TOWNS A ONE DISTRICT.
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LAND.UM, AND THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT WILL ALLOW, UH, THE CREATION OF A CEMETERY IN THE R THREE TONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL AREAS OF TOWN.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS ADD, AMEND THE DEFINITION OF CEMETERY IN 1 75 3, ADD THE DEFINITION OF A CHURCHYARD TO 1 75 3.
AND THAT'S OUR DEFINITION SECTION.
UM, AND THEN ADD THE CEMETERY IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN 1 75 30.
AND THEN THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, WE WOULD ADD THAT TO 1 75, 1 0 7 0.4.
AND WHAT THAT DOES IS GIVE STAFF IN THE APPLICANT CRITERIA TO MEASURE, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THIS PERMIT IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS AREA.
IT JUST GIVES US SOME ADDITIONAL PARAMETERS TO FOLLOW.
UM, I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE COUNCIL FOR ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.
I KNOW THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, WHICH YOU GUYS ALREADY KNOW THAT, BUT WE SAID THIS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY HAVE SINCE, UH, HAD THEIR MEETING AND THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, UH, OF THIS.
SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, GAINING THE APPROVAL OF NEIGHBORING, UH, RESIDENCES.
I THINK THAT'S IN HERE, DEPENDING ON HOW CLOSE IT'S GONNA BE.
GETTING 600, 900 FEET SOMETHING.
STATE CODE IS THAT DONE? IT'S 57, 26 IS THE STATE CONSTRUCTION, BUT WE HAVE IT I THINK AS LETTER OR PERFORMER STANDARD E AND THEY'VE SINCE MOVED TO THE SITE OF WHERE THE BURIAL'S GONNA BE SINCE WE HAVE HAD OUR LAST MEETING TO, BUT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DISCUSSING TONIGHT IS TO ACTUALLY AMEND THE TOWN CODE.
AND, AND HAVING A CEMETERY IN THE R THREE BE US UP, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THEN AFTER WE DECIDE, TAKE ACTION ON THIS TEXT AMENDMENT, THEN, UH, AND I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE I KNOW, UH, WE ALL HAVE A THOUGHT IN OUR MIND ABOUT WHY THIS CAME ABOUT AND WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT WE REALLY, WE HAVE TO PUT THE CART FOR THE HORSE.
WE HAVE TO CHANGE THEIT CODE FIRST.
AND THEN IF, IF WE DO AND EVERYBODY AGREES THAT, AND THERE'S A MAJORITY FOR THAT, THEN WE WOULD GO BACK AND ENTERTAIN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, ON THE, ON THE TOPIC THAT ACTUALLY BROUGHT THIS TO OUR ATTENTION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO SKIP IT IN ANSWER YOU CUZ IT IS IN THERE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE NEIGHBORS AND UM, AND I DID HAVE A THOUGHT ON THAT WHEN I WAS READING THAT.
SO, SO LET'S SAY SOMEBODY TURNS IN SPECIALTIES PERMIT, THEY ASKED THEIR NEIGHBOR, THEIR NEIGHBOR SAYS, YEAH, WE'RE GOOD WITH THIS.
AND THEN 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THE NEIGHBOR CHANGES.
WHAT'S GRANDFATHERED IN? RIGHT? OKAY.
I WAS LIKE, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN CHANGE.
WELL, VEST VESTED, RIGHT? NOT, NOT GRANDFATHERED.
VESTED IF THEY ACT RIGHT PURSUANT TO THE GRANT OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT MM-HMM.
AND THEN IT GOES WITH THE LAND.
GRANDFATHER WAS MY, MY POOR LANGUAGE SKILL THAN MY COUNTRY GIRL.
UH, BUT ANYWAY, UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? YEAH, I I THINK Y'ALL DONE A I THINK EVERYBODY PUT A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY INTO THIS AND, UH, AND I'M SORRY IT'S TAKEN LONGER, BUT I THINK IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT AS LONG, EVEN IF IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT LONGER, DO IT RIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO I KNOW THAT THE FOCUS IS, WAS ON OUR THREE.
THE QUESTION I HAD IS WHY, WHY JUST WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS, WHY, WHY DIDN'T WE JUST CONSIDER IT JUST SPECIALIST PERMIT? OH NO, I'M JUST A I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
I KNOW, I KNOW WHY WE FOCUSED ON R THREE.
I'M JUST, YOU'RE SAYING THE QUESTION IS YOU WANT IT TO BE MORE THAN R THREE? YEAH.
IF WE, IF WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT IT ALL, ALL ZONING YEAH.
TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW A CEMETERY IN ANYTHING IN THE TOWN.
NO, SO I'M JUST, AND I'M ON THE STREET WITH TWO CHURCHES, THREE ACTUALLY, I'M JUST QUESTIONING, I, I I UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE FOCUSED ON THIS.
I'M JUST, WE'LL HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN.
IF SOMETHING COMES UP IN R ONE.
WELL, MAYBE WE TRY URBAN GUTTER WAIVERS.
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CHANGING IT UNLESS YOU REALLY WANNA CHANGE IT.WE CAN'T ADVERTISE IT IF WE DON'T DO THIS TONIGHT.
AND I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING.
I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION ON COUNSEL MORRIS.
ALL THANK YOU STAFF FOR YOUR TIME ON THIS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, SO THE DIRECTION WE'RE GONNA GIVE, UM, MS. PRESLEY IS TO ADVERTISE FOR THAT, CORRECT? SURE.
MR. WALZ, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING OR, BECAUSE IF WE ADVERTISE THIS TOMORROW, WE COULD HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON MAY 1ST TO APPROVE THIS TAX AMENDMENT PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVAL.
OR DO YOU WANNA WAIT UNTIL THE MAY 22ND? ALL RIGHT.
MAY 1ST IS OUR, UM, WORK SESSION.
SO WHEN YOU SAY A, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE COUNSEL UNDERSTANDS WE DON'T, WHEN HE SAYS A SPECIAL MEETING, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE NOTHER EXTRA DAY.
WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT WE COULD HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING AT LIKE 6, 6 30 THAT NIGHT AND THEN, AND THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEN IT WOULD JUST, AND THEN WHENEVER THAT WAS OVER WITH, WE WOULD START OUR WORK SESSION.
UM, HOW DOES ANYBODY HAVE A YES.
I MEAN, DOES EVERYBODY, ANYBODY WOULD BE STRONGLY OPPOSED TO LET'S WAIT TILL THE END OF MAY.
I FEEL LIKE BECAUSE WE NEED, WE WERE TRYING TO HELP, THERE'S NO, WE WERE TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? MAYBE SIX O'CLOCK OR SO TO START? SIX 30? YEAH, SIX.
WELL, YOU JUST ROLL INTO THE WORK SESSION AFTER IF IT GETS DONE, IF WE'RE DONE AT 6 45, WE JUST START THE WORK SESSION.
IF AT, IT USED TO BE THAT IF IT WAS AT SIX, WE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL SEVEN, BUT WE CHANGE THE CODE.
SO WE WE'RE ALLOWED SOMEBODY COME BACK.
IS THAT ENOUGH TIME? THAT'S, IT WOULD BE PLENTY.
WHATEVER TIME YOU WANT TO SET, WE CAN DO ON MAY 1ST WORKS.
WE DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON FOR US TO, IF IT'S JUST THIS SIX, WELL, WE WOULDN'T, HOW LONG IS IT GONNA, OKAY, LEMME JUST SAY THIS.
WE SHOW UP AN HOUR EARLIER, BUT WE GET DONE AND HOUR.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA DO ON THE AGENDA BETWEEN THEN AND NOW.
AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE DINNER AT, YOU KNOW, A DECENT TIME.
I, I WAS TRYING TO SAY WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE DON'T WELL, WE'VE STARTED AT SIX WITH THE INTENTION OF ENDING EARLIER AND STILL BEEN HERE TILL MIDNIGHT.
I, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR MAY 1ST.
THAT'S, THAT'S TWO WEEKS AWAY CONVERSATION.
JOE AND I, I JUST WANNA GET THIS SO EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH SIX 30? YOU NEED TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING AND THE TIME RIGHT NOW.
SO MAY 1ST SPECIAL MEETING, 6:30 PM HERE AT TOWN HALL.
AND IT'LL BE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS NEXT AMENDMENT.
AND THEN THE, AND THEN THE WORK SESSION WILL FOLLOW AT THE END OF THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE AGENDA WILL SAY.
AND THIS PARTICULAR PUBLIC HEARING, OBVIOUSLY, UH, PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK DURING THAT TIME, WHICH IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
CAUSE NORMALLY OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER.
BUT WE'VE HAD 'EM HERE BEFORE TOO.
UH, SO THESE THE, UM, A, B, C, D, E, AND F WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DISCUSS ARE ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. UM, SO THESE WOULD ALL GO IN AT ONE THING, BUT WE'RE JUST GONNA START WITH A VERSE.
UM, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED ME TO READ IT THIS TIME, OR HE DOESN'T ALREADY LOOKED OVER IT, BUT, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I DON'T, BUT COUNSEL DO.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, BECAUSE WE DID, YEAH, I THINK YOU HAVE THIS ONE TOO.
I THINK WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE, BUT WE HAVE, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? UH, OKAY.
IF NOT, THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO B, WHICH IS ALSO CAMPBELL.
TO REPLACE THE EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE.
SO, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DO NOT.
UM, I'M GONNA, I DON'T WANNA POINT, BUT I'LL JUST GO LIKE THIS.
SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE LIKE, THEY REALLY DON'T NEED A QUESTION, BUT, UM, RIGHT.
BUT I JUST WANNA GIVE EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY IN CASE THEY DID.
WELL, MOVING ON THEN TO SEE MM-HMM.
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EVALUATION.UM, AND THAT'S FOR THE HOW, HOW, HOW, HOW.
IT'S NOT, HOW DO YOU SAY IT? C HHA, CHHA.
AND THEY'RE ENGINEERING, WHICH WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM QUITE A BIT.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A, UM, WE DID A, A RFP FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES, SECUR THEM.
AND BECAUSE THE AMOUNT EXCEEDS $25,000 WHEN YOUR COUNCILS APPROVED.
THIS IS GETTING EASIER ALL THE TIME.
HAS EVERYBODY READ THEIR AGENDA THE ONE NIGHT WHEN WE FIRE QUESTIONS? YEAH.
BJ, YOU JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE HERE.
SO, UM, UH, YES, 4D, WHICH IS REALLY, THIS ONE'S REALLY A NO-BRAINER, BUT, UH, BUT, UM, THE BUDGET AMENDMENT.
SORRY YOU GUYS TO STAY HERE FOR AN HOUR AND SIX MINUTES.
UH, SHORT VERSION IS, IS THAT
THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US MONEY, UH, TO OFFSET THE EXPENSE WE'RE GONNA INCUR FROM MOVING THOSE UTILITIES.
SO IF EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THAT, WE WILL.
THAT WILL ALSO BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AND THEN THE LAST TWO ITEMS, WHICH IS ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE THINGS LIKE THIS, UH, I MEAN, THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE THESE POSITIVE THINGS GOING ON TOO.
SO E AND F ARE BOTH MS. PRESLEY, THOUGH.
THEY'RE PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.
THEY ARE DEARLY, DOESN'T GET ON YOUR AGENDA VERY OFTEN.
KIND OF BRING IT UP AS A CLERK AND AS AN ADMIN.
NOW WE DO HAVE OTHER ADMINS THAT WORK FOR THE TOWN AS WELL.
UM, I JUST WANNA SAY, OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW ABOUT E RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THOSE.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TROUBLE IT WOULD BE, UH, FROM HR, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A LIST OF OUR ADMINIS.
LIKE, OR WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO.
SORRY, I SOMETIMES I HAVE A GOOD IDEA.
I JUST WAS, YOU KNOW, I SEE SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE PUT LIKE LITTLE ADS IN THE PAPER AROUND THOSE TIMES OF THE YEAR AND THEY THANK THEIR, YOU KNOW, ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, STAFF.
UM, AND I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE IT MIGHT BE NICE FOR US TO, TO BE ABLE TO SAY THEIR NAMES, BUT IT'S OKAY IF WE DON'T IF IT'S BETTER OR NOT TO GET A NUMBER, COULDN'T YOU? OH, YEAH.
I JUST WAS THINKING, HOW ABOUT, CAN YOU GET INITIALS,
YOU CAN DO THAT, RIGHT? WELL, THAT'S HOW I THANK YOU.
I GUESS YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE PERMISSION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE, THAT WE WOULDN'T BE JUST DOING THIS AS A FORMALITY, BUT WE ACTUALLY ARE, YOU KNOW, EXPRESSING OUR APPRECIATION.
CUZ WE KNOW THAT THIS JOB, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN'S NOT NOT BEING RUN BY ITSELF.
THAT, THAT THEY'RE A HUGE PART.
YOU STILL OF OUR TEAM, THE RECOGNITION STILL.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY THING AS OF RIGHT NOW THAT WE'D HAVE UNDER RECOGNITION MAYBE.
UM, WE'LL, WE'LL KNOW MORE LATER, BUT ANYWAYS.
MOVING ON TO NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS THE LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING MAIN.
OH, THAT WAS THE ONE WHO MOVED HERE.
SO I AM FOUR G I GUESS IT WOULD BE, UM, IS THE, UM, THE RESOLUTION FOR THE, UM, EXPLORING MAIN STREET.
SO I'M GONNA ACTUALLY ASK, UH, MS. ZERS, WHO, MS. ZERS, WHO'S HERE, IF SHE COULD JUST GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE SYNOPSIS.
I KNOW I TRIED TO GIVE YOU ALL SYNOPSIS, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC SINCE IT WASN'T PART OF THE AGENDA PUBLIC.
UM, ELLEN, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO JUST GIVE JUST A LITTLE LOW DOWN? YOU SURE? YES.
SO I KNOW YOU WANNA BE ON THE CAMERA, I'M SURE.
BUT DON'T, DON'T, WE ALL DON'T, DON'T LOOK AT MY FEET.
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I'M SORRY IT CAME UP SO FAST, BUT, UM, I REALIZED A POTENTIAL GRANT OPPORTUNITY AT THE END OF APRIL AND I DIDN'T WANNA MISS OUT ON IT.
AND HAVING COUNCIL'S SUPPORT, UH, IS IMPORTANT.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN TRIED A COUPLE, AT LEAST TWO TIMES BEFORE.
I THINK IN 2007, THE, UH, INITIAL APPLICATION WENT IN ACTUALLY FROM DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL INC.
IT WENT IN AGAIN, I BELIEVE IN 2015.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THE APPLICATION.
THE TOWN ACTUALLY SUBMITTED IT.
DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL INC WENT AWAY.
UM, BUT BACK IN THE FALL, I WANTED TO START SOMETHING AFTER GETTING DONE WITH THE ANIMAL SHELTER.
AND OUR MAIN STREET IS IN A PLACE THAT'S JUST, IT'S READY TO TAKE OFF.
UH, I DIDN'T KNOW A WHOLE, WHOLE LOT ABOUT THE PROGRAM OTHER THAN OTHER LOCALITIES THAT PARTICIPATE IN IT SEEMED TO HAVE A WHOLE LOT GOING ON.
SO I FELT LIKE FRONT ROYAL DESERVED THAT OPPORTUNITY.
I WENT TO BOSTON FOR THEIR NATIONAL CONVENTION FOR FOUR NIGHTS LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE, UH, AND LEARNED THAT THEY'VE RESTRUCTURED THE PROGRAM.
SO NOW IT ISN'T, YOU JUST GO IN AND APPLY FOR ACCREDITATION.
YOU ACTUALLY LEARN ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING BEFORE YOU GO THAT FAR, WHICH SETS YOU UP FOR SUCCESS AS OPPOSED TO JUST THROWING IN AN APPLICATION.
SO THE STEP THAT FRONT ROYAL DID HAVE IS THE EXPLORING MAIN STREET.
IT WASN'T CALLED THAT, IT WAS CALLED SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT UNDER THEIR RESTRUCTURE, EXPLORING MAIN STREET IS THE FIRST STEP.
AND IT'S JUST SIMPLY A LEARNING WINDOW.
SO WE'VE GOT A LADY IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, HER NAME IS BLAIR.
SHE'S OUR MAIN STREET COORDINATOR.
AND SHE SENT ME THE INFORMATION THAT I FORWARDED ON TO YOU ALL.
UH, AND IN ORDER FOR US TO ENTER INTO THE PROGRAM IS A FORMAL EXPLORING MAIN STREET PROGRAM, WHICH JUST GIVES DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL ACCESS TO HER AND ALL OF THE INFORMATION TO LEARN HOW TO POSITION OURSELVES TO GET TO THAT NEXT STEP.
UM, THEY REQUIRE, UH, WHEN THE, WHEN THE LOCALITY DOESN'T DO IT, THEY REQUIRE A RESOLUTION SAYING THAT THE LOCALITY SUPPORTS THE NONPROFIT THAT'S MOVING FORWARD TO LEARN MORE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE RESOLUTION COMES IN TO PLAY.
AND SO, UM, THE DEADLINE FOR THIS, UH, GRANT IS APRIL 28TH, WHICH WAS WHY THE, UM, NEED TO TRY TO, TO AT LEAST BE, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNSEL TO DISCUSS IT TONIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ADDED TO THE AGENDA.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA OPEN UP FLOOR FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
SO DO WE, WE'VE GOT QUESTIONS FOR GUESS.
I'LL JUST ASK HOW, WHAT DO YOU ENVISION, I KNOW YOU SPOKE TO IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WHAT DO YOU, HOW DO YOU ENVISION WITH WORKING WITH DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL? WHERE DO YOU SEE THE KEY DIFFERENCES WILL BE? SO, DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL, WHICH I ALSO GOT RECRUITED TO THE BOARD AT THE 11TH HOUR IN THE MIDDLE OF A CRISIS, UH, IS FOCUSED ON OUR TOURISM EFFORTS.
YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, AND I CAME IN WAY LATE IN THE GAME, THEY'RE LIKE A 50 MILE OUT RADIUS.
IT'S GETTING PEOPLE TO COME TO FRONT ROYAL FROM A TOURISM PERSPECTIVE, DOWNTOWN.
FRONT ROYAL IS ABOUT ENCOURAGING THE FOLKS WHO LIVE HERE TO COME ON DOWNTOWN, ENJOY OUR MAIN STREET, UM, GET SOME PRIDE IN WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND HERE, AND BE PROUD OF WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE IN DOWNTOWN.
IT'S ALSO ABOUT HELPING OUR BUSINESS OWNERS.
UM, THE, THE RESOURCES ARE UNBELIEVABLE.
ONCE YOU HIT THAT ACCREDITATION STAGE, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY AT LEAST A COUPLE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, HONESTLY, UM, OPENS UP ALL KINDS OF RESOURCES FOR OUR BUILDING OWNERS AND FOR OUR BUSINESS OWNERS.
AND THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOME OVERLAP.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO A LAUNCH ON THE 5TH OF MAY FOR CINCO DE MAYO FOR DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL.
AND WE HOPE THAT THE VISITORS CENTER WILL COME ON BOARD AND SUPPORT IT ALSO, SO THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAVELING IN FROM OUT OF THE AREA WILL KNOW ABOUT IT.
SO, DIFFERENT MISSIONS ENTIRELY, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME OVERLAP IN THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED DOWNTOWN.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE HAD SHARED, AND THOSE OF US THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, REMEMBER IT WAS DA DANCING DOWNTOWN.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DID.
AND IT'S FUNNY WHEN YOU SAID IT
OH MY GOD, I TOTALLY, I, I BLAME ON EVERY, ANYTIME I THINK I CAN'T REMEMBER SOMETHING I SAY, OH, THAT MUST HAVE BEEN PRE COVID, BUT WE'RE TALKING.
IT WAS, BUT THAT WAS WAY BRIEF.
THIS WAS LIKE, I CAN'T BLAME THIS ON COVID.
IT, THIS WAS A LONG TIME BACK.
I CAN'T, I MOVED HERE IN 2010 AND THAT'S WHEN THAT WAS GOING ON.
THEY WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN THAT.
THEY DID HALLOWEEN WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE, AND THEN I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT HAPPENED.
I, I KNOW ONE OF THEIR KEY, UM, BOARD MEMBERS PASSED AWAY AND IT JUST KIND OF FELL APART.
KIDS IN DOWNTOWN WAS A BIG THING.
UM, WHO, ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ELLEN, GLAD TO SEE THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING ON BOTH SIDES.
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I, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THERE IS A SYNERGY THERE THAT, UH, THAT I THINK THAT THE, OUR COMMUNITY IS REALLY GONNA BENEFIT FROM.EXPLAIN TO ME THE CORPORATE STRUCTURE.
IT STRUCK ME, I'M FAMILIAR WITH 5 0 1 S.
SO WHEN, THIS IS WHY WHEN I, UM, WENT TO FREEMA THAT WAS KEEPING JUST THE INCORPORATION ALIVE WITH THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION, UH, I WAS ALSO MADE AWARE THAT MAYBE DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL HADN'T FILED TAXES FOR A WHILE.
SO I WAS GONNA HAVE TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE IRS TO GET US BACK IN GOOD STANDING.
SO, UH, WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND PAID THE FEE AND FILLED OUT ALL THE PAPERWORK, IT WAS FOR A 5 0 1
I GOT A LETTER BACK FROM THE IRS AND IN THE BODY OF THE LETTER IT SAID, CONGRATULATIONS.
WE REINSTATED THE 5 0 1
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL BE WORKING TOWARDS MOVING OVER TO FOR MAIN STREET, BECAUSE IT'S WHAT THEY RECOMMEND IS TO MOVE FROM THAT PUBLIC CHARITY INTO A TRUE 5 0 1
AND I DON'T KNOW THE DEFINITION OF IT.
AND I THINK THEY USED TO, I THINK THEY USED TO CLASSIFY, THAT WAS BEFORE 5 0 1 CUN
MAYBE, UH, YEAH, BECAUSE UNDER THE 5 0 1 YOU'VE GOT 5 0 1 3, 4 5, YOU HAVE ALL DIFFERENT SORTS.
AND IT JUST STRUCK ME THAT THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT YEAH.
UH, WELL THERE'S A GOAL TO CHANGE THAT.
IF I'M SUCCESSFUL WITH THE GRANT, UM, WHICH IS GONNA REQUIRE MATCHING DOLLARS, BUT NOT FROM COUNCIL.
I GOT SOME OTHER IDEAS FOR THAT.
UH, IT IS TO HELP US DEVELOP A WEBSITE AND GET THE 5 0 1 1
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING IS GONNA HAPPEN.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM GRANT? UH, I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE FIVE.
IS IT FIVE OR, SO THIS SPECIFIC GRANT, IT'S A COMMUNITY VITALITY GRANT AND THE MAXIMUM IS $15,000.
WHILE I'M CONFIDENT I'M GONNA GET SOME MATCHING, I'M NOT SURE I CAN PULL $15,000 RIGHT OUTTA THE GATES, BUT I'M HOPING THAT WE'LL HAVE $10,000.
UH, THEY GIVE US TWO, WE COME UP WITH ONE AND WE CAN ALSO USE VOLUNTEER HOURS.
PART OF THAT, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A GOOD OF THAT.
WELL, WE'LL NEED A RESOLUTION.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO I SENT WITH THE GRANT, I SENT ONE SENT, SHE SENT A DRAFT.
THAT'S THE BEAUTIFUL THING ABOUT WHEN YOU GO INTO THIS EXPLORING MAIN STREET, IS THEY GIVE YOU RESOURCES.
AND THE FIRST THING I SAID TO THE LADY IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO WRITE A RESOLUTION.
DO I SEND THAT TO GEORGE? WHAT DO I DO? AND SHE'S LIKE, WOODSTOCK JUST WENT THROUGH THIS.
HERE'S THEIR RESOLUTION FOR EXPLORING MAIN STREET, EXCEPT THE TOWN OF WOODSTOCK DID.
SO I JUST HAD TO CHANGE FOR DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL.
AND AT THIS POINT, IT REALLY DON'T, WE INVENT THE WHEEL.
I KNOW, RIGHT? I'M A GREAT SEAT
UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE AS EVERYBODY SAID, THANK ONE, THANK YOU FOR TAKING ONE, TAKING ON THE CALLS, CUZ I KNOW YOU'RE A BUSY LADY.
UM, AND ALSO THE TRAINING THAT YOU DID LAST WEEK WAS ALL ON YOUR OWN DIME.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I I JUST THINK THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT YOUR PASSION FOR THIS COMMUNITY THAT YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST SACRIFICE YOUR TIME AWAY FROM YOUR REAL JOB.
UM, BUT JUST BEING WILLING TO, UH, TO DO THIS CUZ I I DO YOU THINK, I MEAN ALL THE TIME ABOUT OUR CUTE AND QUAINT MAIN STREET.
AND SO I THINK THAT, UM, I LOVE THE IDEA THAT THAT UH, THAT THAT, THAT SOMEBODY'S TAKING UP THE CALLS AGAIN.
AND I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE SUPPORT TOO.
LIKE IT'S NOT, I MEAN, YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED.
MY, YEAH, MY BOARD, THERE'S A MEMBER THAT SITS ON THE BAR THAT'S PART OF MY BOARD, UM, CRAIG LAIRD, WHO I PRAYED AND HOPED HE WOULD STAY ON JUST BECAUSE OF HIS, HIS INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND ALL THE HISTORY HE HAS.
HE STAYED ON THE BOARD WITH ME.
SOMEBODY BRAND NEW TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAS, UM, SHE'S GOT EXPERIENCE IN GRANT WRITING AND NONPROFITS WHERE SHE CAME FROM.
SHE JUST SAW THE FACEBOOK POST AND REACHED OUT AND SAID, YEP, SHE DOES.
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FROM THE TOWN, SOMEONE FROM THE COUNTY, AND THEN THE ED.SO WE'VE HAD, UH, AND THE CHAMBER, THOSE FOLKS HAVE ALL BEEN COMING, COMING TO OUR BOARD MEETINGS AS WELL.
UM, A PREVIOUS RESTAURANT OWNER FROM MAIN STREET IS ON OUR BOARD.
UH, THE LADY WHO GRACIOUSLY STEPPED IN AND TOOK UP THE ROLE OF THE PRESIDENT FOR DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL WAS ON THIS BOARD FIRST.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT A REALLY GREAT TEAM OF FOLKS THAT ARE EAGER TO, UM, THE LADY WHO OWNED ON CUE THAT'S COMING TO MAIN STREET.
SO YEAH, IT'S DIFFERENT PLAYERS AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE A LOT OF ENERGY AND EXCITEMENT AND ENTHUSIASM AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM SINCE I'VE BEEN TO BOSTON.
SO SOMEBODY MAY QUIT ONCE I SHARE EVERYTHING WITH THEM, BUT I DOUBT IT.
I WISH YOU'RE DOING YOU'RE WELCOME.
THANKS FOR COMING HERE, ELLEN.
A COUPLE OF US THAT ACTUALLY ASKED THAT QUESTION IF YOU WERE GONNA GONNA BE HERE, SO I DIDN'T KNOW.
BUT YES, I LOOK AT IT FROM A STANDPOINT TOO.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO HAVE A COMMON YEAR TO THERE WHERE YOU, FOR COMMON VOICE, COMMON COMMON VOICE, UH, COMING FROM DOWNTOWN IN THAT REGARD.
CAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, I MEAN YEAH, THERE IS A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DIVERSE TO BE A MAIN STREET COMMUNITY.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DIVERSE OPINIONS ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT SUBJECTS AND YEAH, WE ACTUALLY WALKED INTO ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT WERE OPEN ONE DAY LAST WEEK, HOLLY RODIN, HEISER AND I TELLING THEM ABOUT THE 5TH OF MAY.
AND EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS THAT WE WENT INTO WAS EXCITED AND HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE.
OH YEAH, THAT'S GOOD AND GREAT.
I JUST WANNA THANK YOU EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE PUT YOUR HAND IN SINCE YOU'VE COME TO FRONT ROYAL'S BEEN WILDLY SUCCESSFUL, INCLUDING THE HUMANE SOCIETY FOR MANY YEARS.
BUT I, AS SOMEBODY THAT'S BORN AND RAISED HERE AND VERY BIASED, I THINK THAT MAIN STREET HAS LACKED VISION.
YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
AND WHILE I LOVE TOURISM AND SUPPORTING IT, UM, IT'S NICE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, WORK HERE.
YOU KNOW, NOT TO BE FORGOTTEN ABOUT.
UM, I GREW UP SPENDING A LOT OF TIME LISTENING TO THE SOLD OUT VAN DOWN ON THE STREET AND UH, I THINK IT'S JUST GREAT AND I THINK IT'LL ABSOLUTELY COINCIDE WITH THE TOURISM COMMITTEE AND THEN TO SEE DANIELLE AND COLE BRING IT ON CUE DOWN HERE.
I THINK THERE'S SOME EXCITING THINGS HAPPENING WITH SOME OTHER BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN.
UM, I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT.
WELL THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
CAUSE I DO KNOW IT WAS LAST MINUTE.
WELL, I APPRECIATE ALL COUNSEL WILLINGTON.
AND AMBER, FOR MENTIONING THAT PART THAT YOU JUST SAID, CUZ I KNOW WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL, I, ONE OF THE MEETINGS I MENTIONED SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND OTHER PEOPLE SAID TO ME LATER, I'M SO GLAD YOU SAID THAT, CUZ WE TOURISM, I, I LEAVE FOR PEAK LEAP SEASON.
BUT I'VE HAD PEOPLE SAY THAT TO ME BEFORE.
WHAT ABOUT THOSE OF US THAT ARE HERE? WE CHOSE TO ENROLL AS OUR HOME ELLEN.
SO YEAH, I'M GLAD THAT, THAT THIS WILL, I'M GLAD THAT THE FOCUS THERE WILL ALSO BE ON THINGS FOR, YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE, THE COMMUNITY.
AND IT REALLY INCENTIVIZES THE BUSINESSES TO BE OPEN, WHICH WAS A VISION AND A GOAL WHEN I RAN FOR COUNCIL THE FIRST TIME TOO, WAS NOT HOW DO WE FORCE AND REGULATE BUSINESSES TO OPERATE, BUT LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THE ONES THAT WERE OPEN MM-HMM.
AND IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LACK OF VISION AND TOURISM TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE.
I MEAN, WHEN IT WAS SHUT DOWN DURING COVID AND THEY HAD THE FENCES UP, UM, AS MUCH AS IT AGGRAVATED PEOPLE, MY KIDS WOULD RIDE THEIR SCOOTERS.
THEY SERVED ALCOHOL TO GO, YOU COULD SIT OUTSIDE, EAT AN ELEMENT, MANOR LINE.
I EXPLORED MAIN STREET AND SHOPPED IN SHOPS THAT I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE HAD LIVING HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE.
AND I SPENT MORE MONEY THAN I'D EVER SPENT IN DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL.
BUT THERE WAS AN EMPHASIS ON THAT BECAUSE OF THE SHUTDOWN.
AND SO NOW THAT THAT'S REOPENED, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT BEEN THE CASE.
AND I IT'S A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD.
THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO BE OPEN TO PAY STAFF AND THEY'RE NOT MAKING BUSINESS.
BUT IN THE SAME REGARD, THEY'RE LOSING BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT OPEN.
SO I THINK WORKING WITH THEM DEFINITELY INCENTIVIZES THEM TO BE OPEN AND WORK COLLECTIVELY AS A GROUP.
SO, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN ATTRACT SOME MORE VACANT BUILDING.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE I HEAR FROM COUNCIL THE DIRECTION IS THAT WE WOULD PUT THIS, WE WOULD PUT THE RESOLUTION ON AFTER GEORGE REVIEW YEAH.
UM, THAT, UM, WE WOULD PUT IT ON THE APRIL 24TH.
AND THEN THAT WOULD GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME BY THE 28TH, NOT A ALLOTTED TIME, READY TO HIT SUBMIT ON THE 28TH.
SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS BETWEEN NOW AND THE 24TH, UH, REACH OUT TO ELLEN AND, AND, UH, SO JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ELLEN FOR ALL YOU DO.
YOU'VE BEEN HERE MORE THAN 10 YEARS, SO YOU, YOU ARE A LOCAL NOW.
SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT, BUT IT'S GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO FEELING LIKE IT.
SO KEEP SITTING ON BOARDS AND THE
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PAUL, ONE OF US.SO NEXT UP IS THE LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING ITEMS. SO BELIEVE IT OR NOT, NEXT THURSDAY IS OUR LIAISON MEETING WITH THE COUNTY.
UM, AND WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT ITEMS WE WANT ON THE AGENDA.
NOW I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE LAST TIME THERE WERE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED AND THEN WE DIDN'T, COULDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE
WELL, THEY SHOULD, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN, BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS THAT WE STILL DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER TO THAT.
OR NOT, NOT THAT ANYBODY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING AN ANSWER, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, UH, REVISING THE COMMITTEE MEETING POLICY.
WE'RE ALLOWING THE ENTIRE COUNCIL AND THE ENTIRE BOARD, UM, TO, TO BE ABLE TO, TO HAVE SPEAKING ABILITIES THERE.
BUT, BUT WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT MEANT THAT IT WOULD BE AN OFFICIAL MEETING.
AND SO, UM, SO WE KIND OF GOT STOPPED DEAD IN OUR TRACKS.
CAUSE WE WERE LIKE, OKAY, WAIT A SECOND.
WE DIDN'T, WE, THOSE WERE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES FOR US.
SO PROBABLY WE SHOULD BRING THAT UP AGAIN.
OR AT LEAST NOT BRING IT UP AGAIN.
BUT JUST EITHER PUT A DURESS OR, YOU KNOW, THE LAB, THE ONE WE HAD HERE IN JANUARY, I DIDN'T THINK WAS, I DIDN'T, I MEAN IT WASN'T, EVERYBODY WASN'T HERE IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY.
IT WAS MYSELF AND ONE COUNCIL MEMBER AND CHAIR OF THE BOARD AND ONE OF THEIR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
AND WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING ITEMS, I GAVE EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SPEAK FROM, NOT FROM THE TABLE, BUT FROM THE FLOOR.
IS THAT A PROBLEM, GEORGE? IT IS IT, THE ONES SPEAKING FROM THE FLOOR ARE ADDRESSING OKAY.
A PUBLIC, UM, A, A BUS, A MA A BUSINESS MATTER.
AND I'LL JUST ADD THE PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE, PREVIOUS ONES HAVE NOT BEEN RAN LIKE THAT.
AND THE PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED IN A UNOFFICIAL CAPACITY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK WHATSOEVER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR MANY OF THEM, YOU KNOW HOW I AM.
I BUT IT'S NOT UP TO YOU ENTIRELY.
I'M JUST SAYING I, I, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I, I WISH EVERYBODY STILL COULD, BUT ONLY BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS, I THINK THERE IS, THERE IS A NEED MM-HMM.
NOW I COULD THAT MAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S OKAY THAT THIS IS WRONG AND AND WE CAN'T DO IT.
I JUST SAY THAT BECAUSE SO MANY TIMES IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW, THE PRESS OR SOMEBODY SUGGESTS THAT COUNSEL AND THE BOARD AREN'T GETTING ALONG AND ALL THAT STUFF.
AND MEANWHILE I'M LIKE, REALLY? CUZ I TALKED TEXTING COME UP THERE REGULARLY.
YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO ONE TODAY.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I DON'T.
UH, BUT, BUT I GET THAT THAT BECOMES AN OFFICIAL MEETING AND THEN IF IT IS AN OFFICIAL MEETING, THEN IT'S AN ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENT.
WELL, WE, BUT THERE'S A NOTICE REQUIREMENT ANYWAY THOUGH.
WELL, I POLITELY REQUEST, WE GET COUNCIL AND COUNTIES TEMP CHECK ON THIS.
EVERYBODY'S SITTING AT THIS TABLE AS A PUBLIC SERVANT.
AND WE KNEW WHEN WE SIGNED UP FOR THIS THAT THERE WOULD BE MEETINGS OUTSIDE OF THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETINGS.
UM, AND WE, I I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE WHEN IT WAS PROMO ASEN, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.
WE WERE ALL ELECTED, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMEBODY THAT VOTED FOR ME VOTED FOR SOMEBODY ELSE HERE.
BUT WE WERE ALL ELECTED FOR DIFFERENT REASONS BY DIFFERENT BODIES.
AND THE ONLY WAY THAT WE HAVE A FAIR VOICE TO THOSE CONSTITUENTS IS IF WE ALL HAVE A VOICE IN THESE MEETINGS.
UM, WE NEED TO ALL BE ABLE TO BRING CONCERNS TO THE TABLE.
I JUST, I FEEL LIKE IT'S INEFFECTIVE GOVERNING.
IF WE HAVE A MEETING AND, YOU KNOW, ONLY ONE PERSON CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF COUNSEL.
I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF ADDING IT TO THE ATTENDANCE POLICY AND MAKING IT AN OFFICIAL MEETING.
I DON'T LIKE TO HAVE TO COMMIT MYSELF TO ANOTHER MEETING EVERY, I WOULD NOT DISAGREE WITH THAT AT ALL.
I THINK FOR US, NOT FOR WHATEVER REASON, NOT TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR PEERS WITHIN OUR, UH, OUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S, IT'S, UM, I MEAN IT'S ONLY FOUR TIMES.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE EXTRA MEETING EVERY MONTH.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONCE A QUARTER.
I MEAN, OH, EVEN SEMI-ANNUALLY FOR GOD'S SAKE.
BUT AT LEAST HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO, THE DOWNSIDE IS THE ATTENDANCE POLICY.
ONLY THIS REASON, CUZ WE HAVEN'T, HONESTLY, THIS COURT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT IS THE ATTENDANCE? YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, SEE THIS COUNCIL? YEAH.
Y'ALL, THIS, THIS IS A GREAT, UM, WE USED TO HAVE LIKE THREE, TWO PEOPLE AT THE TABLE.
SO THE ATTENDANCE OF POLICY MEANS THAT, WELL
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THEY'RE, IT'S ALL IN OUR CODE, BUT YOU CAN ONLY MISS A PERCENTAGE.YOU CAN MISS AS MANY AS YOU NEED TO FOR AN ILLNESS.
A FAMILY ILLNESS, BUT NOT A, UM, BUT FOR PERSONAL REASONS, I BELIEVE YOU CAN ONLY MISS TWO IN THE CALENDAR.
NOW I SAY THAT, BUT THE ONLY, BUT LET'S SAY SOMEBODY MISSES THREE, IT REQUIRES SOMEBODY ON THIS COUNCIL TO PROPOSE THAT THAT PERSON BE REMOVED BASICALLY.
WELL, WHAT DOES THAT HAPPEN WITH US MEETING WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS AT THE COUNTY? BECAUSE IT WILL BE, BE THE TWO PART OF AN, IT WOULD BE PART OF YOUR MEETINGS THAT COUNT FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE.
SO IF YOU DIDN'T SHOW UP ON THAT THURSDAY NIGHT, THEN THAT WOULD BE MARKED AS AN ABSENT.
I'M LAUGHING, THIS FEELS LIKE SCHOOL IT BE MARKED AS
WAIT, IF WE SET UP UNEXCUSED ABSENCE, I MIGHT, I'M JUST KIDDING.
UM, BUT IN NO SERIOUSLY, THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY, THAT'S MY DRAWBACK THAT I CAN SEE IS THAT IT WOULD, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT, IT'S ALREADY, UM, VIDEOED, IT CAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ALREADY PART OF BEING VIDEOED.
UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE A CLERK THERE TO TAKE MINUTES.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S DIFFERENT IS, IS THAT EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IF THEY WANT TO VERSUS THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE.
CAN YOU THINK OF ANY OTHER DIFFERENCE, TINA? I DON'T THINK ATTENDANCES WOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THIS PARTICULAR MEETING BECAUSE ATTENDANCE IS ONLY REGULAR MEETINGS.
NO, I THINK GEORGE IS GONNA CONFIRM THAT, BUT IN THE CHARTER YOU CANNOT MISS THREE CONSECUTIVE REGULAR MEETINGS.
AND THAT'S NOT WORKING SESSIONS', THE MONTHLY MEETINGS, ANY SUBJECT TO BEING REMOVED, WHICH NOBODY EVER HAS SAID.
AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE, WE'VE MORE THAN THAT.
BUT THE ONLY OTHER THING THOUGH IS THE QUORUM THAT'S GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM.
THAT'S THE OTHER DOWNSIDE IS IF WE DON'T HAVE, IF FOUR OF YOU DON'T COME, THEN SO LET'S JUST SAY IT'S NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT.
AND THREE OF YOU GET SICK AND CAN'T BE THERE.
WE, WE WELL, YOU CAN HOLD THE MEETING.
YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE DECISIONS.
LAST YEAR WE HAD A MEETING WHERE ENOUGH PEOPLE DID NOT SHOW UP.
WE WALKED IN AND WE HAD TO LEAVE TINA Z.
THAT WAS A REGULAR, THAT WAS VERY, THAT WAS EMBARRASSING.
THOSE ARE VERY COUNSEL MEETING.
I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE QUO.
OH, I THOUGHT YOU JUST COULDN'T MAKE DECISIONS DURING THAT.
I THOUGHT YOU COULD STILL HAVE NOT WHAT THEY TOLD US LAST YEAR.
BUT CHUCK, WHAT'S THE QUESTION? IF, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, CAN'T YOU STILL MEET BUT NOT MAKE DECISIONS? IT'S NOT A MEETING WITHOUT A QUORUM.
YOU CAN'T CALL THE MEETING THE ORDER.
UH, WHEN YOU DO ROLL CALL, YOU DON'T, BECAUSE YOU JUST SAID MELISSA, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WE'RE NOT REALLY MAKING DECISIONS AT THAT MEETING ANYWAY.
I MEAN IT'S JUST, IT'S COLLABORATION.
I JUST THINK THAT IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ELECTED OR APPOINTED TO SIT AROUND THIS TABLE TO COMMIT TO SHOWING UP FOR A QUORUM.
I DON'T THINK THREE PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME DOWN WITH AN ILLNESS ALL AT ONE SEVEN FOR WE HAVE ANOTHER.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT'S GONNA BE, I MEAN NOW WE, SO HERE'S GEORGE CAN RESEARCH IT BEFORE NEXT THURSDAY.
WE COULD ADD IT TO THE AGENDA.
AND BECAUSE HERE'S THE THING, WHEREAS THE ALL OF US MIGHT BE SAYING COUNTY, WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS.
COUNTY MAY, PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY, CAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE FIVE PEOPLE AND I'M NOT SURE, I DON'T KNOW, COME THEY DID NOT.
SO WHY DON'T THEY DID NOT COME REACH OUT TO ED, SAY, HEY ED, THE TEMPERATURE CHECK.
THAT'S WHAT I WANNA DO BECAUSE I HAVE BE IN ATTENDANCE FOR THE ONES WHERE YOU, I WAS NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK OR HAVE A VOICE AT THAT.
AND I WAS ELECTED BY HOWEVER MANY THOUSANDS PEOPLE TO SIT AT THIS COUNCIL'S SEAT AND HAVE A SAY.
AND I, WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK.
AND I, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE THE, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE TRANSPORTATION.
IF I SHOWED UP TO, TO THAT ALL YOU GUYS COULD PARTICIPATE DIDN'T GIVE US YOUR FEET BACK AND, BUT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SPEAK AT THE MEETING.
AND WE HAVE BEEN LETTING PEOPLE SPEAK AT IT.
IT'S THAT IT'S THEME IDEA OF YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE TO REPRESENT YOU.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK IN THIS SITUATION, IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, THAT IT WOULD BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY FOR BOTH BOARDS TO BE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY'RE COLLABORATING, TALKING MM-HMM.
UH, BUT AGAIN, JUST EVEN IF WE ARE WILLING, IT DOESN'T MEAN THE OTHER SIDE IS WILLING.
SO WELL, CAN WE DO IT WITHOUT THEIR WILLINGNESS? I MEAN, CAN WE STILL SAY, LOOK FOR THIS, THIS IS, UM, A TOWN.
WE HAVE AN MOU FOR THIS, DON'T WE? SO NOW, SO THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
BUT SO I SAY WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, TALK ABOUT IT, SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHT ARE, FINISH OUT AND ASK THEM BEFORE AND THEN DON'T ADD IT TO THE AGENDA IF THEY SAY NO OR ADD IT AGENDA.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO TALK ABOUT IT IS AT THEIR,
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AND THEY'VE GOTTA A WORK SESSION TOMORROW NIGHT AND IT'S NOT ON THEIR AGENDA.SO THEY CAN'T JUST ADD IT ON THERE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THEY COULD TALK ABOUT AN OPEN, JOE, WHAT WERE YOU, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT THURSDAY AND WE CAN VET IT OUT.
AND IF IT'S THAT CONSENSUS, WE CAN, I CAN WORK WITH THAT.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WERE WHEN THE LAST TIME WE MET IN JANUARY, WE CAME OUT OF IT THINKING THAT WE ALL WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN INTENT.
AND THEN WE, GEORGE KIND OF STARTED LAYING OUT KIND OF THE GROUND RULES.
AND I THINK THAT KIND OF TOOK US A STEP BACK.
BUT I, I THINK NOW IF WE WALK INTO THIS MEETING ON THURSDAY WITH THE OBJECTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, I, YOU KNOW, AND THEN I CAN CORRESPOND WITH THAT AFTERWARDS.
SO THAT, SO THAT WAS ON THERE.
UM, THE MEETING SCHEDULE, THAT WASN'T A PROBLEM.
EVERYBODY WAS OKAY WITH THAT MM-HMM.
SO ANYWAY, WE CAN, WE, IN THE PAST WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IS LOOKED AT WHAT WAS ON THE LAST AGENDA TO SEE IF WE STILL NEEDED TO KEEP ON THE AGENDA.
SO THE MOU FOR THESE, THE BOARDROOM THAT'S ALREADY DONE.
UM, THE TOURISM WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS ON THERE THE LAST TIME.
UH, I DON'T, UM, UH, YEAH, DO SHOULD WE, WE, I THINK THAT'S MOVING ALONG RIGHT? BUT I THINK WE PROBABLY THAT ONE, THAT ONE WE PROBABLY BETTER WAIT UNTIL WE GET SOME FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON OUR THEY DIDN'T ASK TO PUT IT BACK ON YOU.
IT MADE MY RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT.
JUST WAIT UNTIL WE, UNTIL WE FIND OUT MORE.
UH, LAST TIME THERE WAS A WATER CAPACITY UPDATE AND THERE WAS NO UPDATE.
MR. DALEY TOLD ME TO REMOVE THAT.
HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE COUNTY ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT AND WHAT THEY DON'T? BECAUSE I'VE NO, I THINK, NO, I HAVEN'T.
I DON'T THINK THEY HAD TALKED ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT OR NOT.
CAUSE I TALKED NO, BUT MR. DALEY TOLD ME TO REMOVE THAT.
ARE THEY GONNA LET US KNOW WHEN THEY GET AN UPDATE ORDER? UM, HE SAID THAT THEY WERE NOT PURSUING THAT FREDERICK COUNTY WATER LINE IN, I KNEW THEY WEREN'T PURSUING IT, BUT THEY HAD PAID FOR A STUDY TO BE DONE.
SO HE SAID, WELL, I, I HONESTLY CAN'T SPEAK.
SO PROBABLY AN UPDATE ON OUR COMP PLANS.
I I MEAN, I I MEAN WE KNOW, WE KNOW WHERE OURS, I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY HAS AN UPDATE.
WELL, BUT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING ON THEIR COMP PLAN.
SO THAT'S PART OF THAT BDO STUDY TOO.
AND TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE, THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T HAVE, THEY WEREN'T READY YET TO LIKE WORK PERFORM.
SO DO WE NEED, DO WE WANT TO PUT IT FOR US TO TELL 'EM WHAT, WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS? BECAUSE WE'RE, OUR PROCESS IS WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WHOSE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 19TH.
AND THEN IF ALL GOES WELL THERE, THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT IN MAY WE'D BE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION SINCE COUNSEL THE PUBLIC HEARING THE NIGHT BEFORE.
MAYBE WE SHOULD GET AN UPDATE.
SEE WHAT THE CONSENSUS IS THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANYTHING SUPER LONG, JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SINCE AMBER MENTIONED THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE, I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO ADD THAT AS AN AGENDA ITEM.
JUST, I MEAN, YOU ALL HAVE REP, I MEAN BOTH OF OUR COUNCILS HAVE REPRESENTATION ON IT AND WE'RE HEARING UPDATES FROM Y'ALL, BUT DO YOU THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO ADD THAT TO THE AGENDA? THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE? YEAH.
LIKE WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'M, I THINK THAT WOULD BE OUR, CUZ THAT'S SOMETHING, SINCE BOTH BOARDS ARE WORKING ON IT, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY TO SHARE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE, TRANSPORTATION IS NOT SOLELY FOR 6 0 6 SHORESIDE PRESS AND DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS WALKABILITY ACCESSIBILITY ADA.
IT IS FOR THE ENTIRE TOWN IN COUNTY.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA AND YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE AMONGST YOUR COMMITTEE WHO WANTS TO LIKE, SHARE STUFF OR EVERYBODY CAN SHARE STUFF.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WAS ON THERE WAS AN ALTERNATIVE ACCESS TO SHE SHORES AND MARY'S SHADY LANE.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S GONNA, IT GONNA COME OUT OF THE TRANSPORTATION, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING Y'ALL COULD SHARE.
THE OTHER THING WAS E D A NEGOTIATIONS.
WE'LL PROBABLY WAIT ON THAT ONE.
UM, THE LITTER COUNCIL, UM, SPOKE THE LAST TIME.
UM, I DON'T, OBVIOUSLY I DON'T SEE THEM NEEDING TO COME AGAIN.
AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM THAT WAS ON OUR AGENDA LAST TIME WAS YOUTH ACTIVITIES IN THE REINSTITUTION, THE YOUTH CENTER.
I'M NOT GIGGLING BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
THINK IT'S BEEN ON EVERY AGENDA, THE USE ACTIVITIES SINCE
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FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.UM, I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE WOULD, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T, DO WE, DO WE WANT THAT ON THERE AGAIN, JUST TO ASK WHERE ARE, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT? OR UNLESS, UNLESS WE'VE BECOME REALLY VISIBLE WITH THIS AND START TALKING ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GOING REMAIN KIND OF IN THE BACKGROUND.
I MEAN, I, I MEAN I THINK WE WAITED.
WHAT? I THINK, I THINK YOU SHOULD WAIT FOR THE NEXT ONE.
WAIT FOR UNTIL JULY YOU MEAN? OKAY.
IT'S BEEN ON THERE FOR, I'VE BEEN ON HERE FOR TWO YEARS AND IT'S BEEN ON EVERY SINGLE AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT AT EVERY SINGLE LIAISON MEETING.
AND I THINK THEY HAVE HEARD FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
LIKE MY DAUGHTER JUST DID THE DAUGHTER DADDY AND DAUGHTER DANCE.
WE JUST, THEY'RE DOING SALSA DANCING, COOKING CLASSES.
THERE'S TONS OF STUFF HAPPENING WITH PARKS AND RECS.
SO IF YOU ACTUALLY GET INVOLVED AND LOOK AT THEIR BULLETINS, LIKE WHAT'S ALL KINDS OF, I THINK THIS ONE WAS ABOUT THE YOUTH CENTER EA SPORTS, BUT THIS IS ALL THE YOUTH CENTER.
AND GIRLS SPOKE, UH, WHAT'S HER NAME? I KNOW, BUT THERE'S TONS OF STUFF GOING ON DOWN THERE.
BUT IT DID SAY LAST TIME THE MINUTES SAID MRS. OS ADVISED THE COLLABORATION, THE DRUG PROTECTION COMMITTEE WAS PLANNING FOR USE OF THE USE CENTER.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING ELSE IS.
UM, SO WE CAN ADD I SEE BOTH THINGS.
I SEE WHAT SKIP'S SAYING THAT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU KEEP, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE TRANSPORTATION, KEEPING THAT ON THE TALK.
I THINK MADE, I'M JUST SAYING I THINK IT MOVED THINGS WHEN YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP.
IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN SOMEBODY KEEPS COMING BEFORE COUNSELING.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRANSPORTATION AND THIS IS THERE CAN'T BE A SUBCOMMITTEE NECESSARILY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY FUNDING SAY OVER THEIR BUILDINGS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY BROUGHT UP THE POINT TO AT OUR LAST RIGHT.
SO WE CAN'T HAVE A SUB BROUGHT THAT MM-HMM.
ALL I MEANT WAS IS THAT KEEPING SOMETHING IN FRONT OF OUR FACE MAKES SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE WASN'T A TRANSPORTATION.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO, YEARS AGO.
WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA THIS TIME.
MAYBE WE, MAYBE WE WAIT TILL JULY.
MAYBE DOLORES HAS AN UPDATE FROM THE DRUG COURT PREVENTION PROGRAM.
CAN COLLABORATION NOW DRUG PROTECTION COMMITTEE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED, BUT PREVENTION.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN THE DRUG COURT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE THREE OF US HAVE? YEAH.
WHAT ELSE? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU FEEL LIKE IS SOMETHING THE COUNTY AND TOWN SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT OR SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE UPDATING THE COUNTY ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING ON WITHIN THE TOWN? AND WE COULD TALK, I MEAN, WE WON'T KNOW ENOUGH BY NEXT WEEK ABOUT WHAT ELLEN JUST SHARED WITH US, BUT MAYBE BY THE JULY ONE WE'D BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT.
UM, SOME OF THESE PUBLIC BUILDINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, THE, UH, OLD, THE OLD, UH, THE SECOND OLD POLICE STATION.
SO WHEN, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, IT'S SOLD TO A PRIVATE, A PRIVATE ENTITY.
NO, I, I THINK, I THINK WHAT BRUCE IS SAYING IS, I THINK THIS IS WHAT YOU MEAN.
IS THAT MAYBE AN ITEM ON THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT SOME OF THE PLACES AROUND TOWN THAT ARE OWNED BY THE COUNTY? JUST DO WE KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THEM? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YEAH, I MEAN IS THERE, IS THERE A PLANE, SOMETHING THAT, BECAUSE LIKE THE OLD TONY'S SUPERMARKET THEN THERE WAS THE, THE J THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE OLD WORK RELEASE ON JACKSON STREET? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE OLD TONY'S SUPER OLD SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, WHERE THE MOST RECENT SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WAS BEFORE THE YEAH.
MY MOM WORKED ON JACKSON STREET.
I RODE THE SCHOOL BUS TO, IN FRONT OF THE, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT? THAT'S SOLD TO A PRIVATE DEVELOPER.
BUT I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COUNTY REALLY HAS THAT KIND OF INFORMATION.
I THINK THEY MIGHT BE MORE ABLE TO PROVIDE US WITH INFORMATION, THINGS THEY ALL THAT CDA STUFF.
I MEAN, DO YOU DO AN OPEN DISCUSSION? YEAH.
THE HOSPITALS SOLD IN THE NURSING HOME.
THERE'S USUALLY AN OPEN DISCUSSION.
THE ENTIRE HOSPITAL THAT'S PART OF THE AGENDA.
MELISSA ASKED IF THEY'RE NOT UTILIZED DISCUSSION.
SO THAT COULD ALWAYS BE SOMETHING THAT WE, THEY, I JUST LIKE TO, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THAT STAFF NEEDS TO PREPARE MM-HMM.
CUZ IF YOU THROW SOMETHING OUT OF THE OPEN AND PEOPLE DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE THAT THEY KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT, THEN EVERYBODY FEELS, YOU KNOW, LIKE ON THE SPOT.
SO I, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD UNLESS JOE DO YOU? YEAH, I WAS THINKING, UH, I STILL HAVE TO TALK TO STAFF IN THE MORNING, BUT I WAS THINKING ABOUT UPDATING THE COUNTY ON OUR REDUNDANT WATER LINE OUT IN THE COIL.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
SHOULD WE TALK TO THE COUNTY JOINTLY
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ABOUT VAPE SHOPS?THEY SENT ME A VIDEO OF A NEW ONE THAT LAUREN KNOWS ABOUT.
I HAD TWO SUPERVISORS SEND ME A VIDEO OF THE LIGHTS CHANGING AND FLICKERING SAYING, HEY COUNCILWOMAN, THIS ISN'T THE TOWN LIMIT.
AND I HATE THEIR GAME OF SMOKES IN BETWEEN CHIPOTLE AND FIVE GUYS.
SO I TOLD THEM I WOULD'VE PULLED MY FIVE GUYS OUT.
BUT ANYWAY, BRUCE HAD A LAUNDRY LIST OF IDEAS TO TALK ABOUT WITH VAPE SHOPS.
UH, SHOULD WE, I KNOW THE COUNTY DOLOS ASKED ME ABOUT, UH, RESOLUTION WITH THE TOWN.
SHOULD WE TALK ABOUT DID, WELL WE MADE THE NEWS THE LAST TIME I BROUGHT IT UP.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DISCUSS WITH THE COUNTY IS BECAUSE OF THE ENTRYWAY.
AND THEN IT'S BEEN LARGELY DISCUSSED EVEN BEFORE BRUCE HAD MENTIONED IT LAST TIME ABOUT THE PROXIMITY TO SCHOOLS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, SO THE COUNTY PLAYS A ROLE IN ALL THAT.
AND THEY ALSO ARE DEALING WITH THE SAME THING.
THEY HAVE REALLY NICE PRIME REAL ESTATE.
WELL, AND WE ALSO HAD THE CITIZEN THAT CAME AT OUR LAST MEETING YEAH.
AND KIND OF EDUCATED US ON, WENT AND SAW SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT DID YOU DID.
AND I HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION WITH HIM.
UM, THERE'S SOME REALLY INTERESTING OWNERSHIP GOING ON WITH WITH SOME OF THESE.
THE OTHER THING THAT'S INTERESTING IS I NEED TO GET SMART ON WHAT RULES, AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MANY GOVERN VAPE SHOP AND VAPE SHOP MERCHANDISE.
THE PURCHASING OF VAPE MATERIAL IS HANDLED DIFFERENTLY ON IN DIFFERENT STATES.
AND NORMALLY IF YOU BUY A PRODUCT, YOU PAY A SALES TAX OR YOU PAY A TAX AT A LATER TIME.
SO AS AN OWNER OF A VAPE SHOP, WHEN I BUY A BOTTLE OF C B D, THAT BOTTLE COSTS ME X PLUS THE TAX THAT I PAY.
AND THEN WHATEVER THAT AGENCY IS, THEY TAKE CARE OF THE DISTRIBUTION OF THAT.
WELL ONE OF THE INDICATIONS THAT'S BEEN FOUND BY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IS THERE ARE FOLKS THAT CAN BUY OUT OF STATE TO BYPASS STATE TAXES IN SELLING MERCHANDISE.
NOW I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A BIG DEAL, BUT IT'S ONE OF CIGARETTES.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE COME DOWN HERE FROM NEW YORK AND BUY CIGARETTES.
SO I'M JUST KIND OF TRYING TO SEE, UH, AND, AND THIS IS ALL PUBLIC AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM IN TALKING ABOUT THIS.
I HAVE A CONCERN, I HAVE A CONCERN OF SO MANY.
I HAVE A CONCERN OF, OF MARGINS.
I'VE BEEN ALL MY LIFE MARGINS ALLOW ME TO MAKE MONEY TO FEED MY FAMILY.
IF I DON'T MAKE A PROFIT, WELL I, I JUST FIND, YEAH.
I MEAN THIS IS LEGITIMATE FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT.
ANYBODY THAT HAS A BRAIN WITH A BUSINESS, YOU DON'T START UP WITH THE INTENTION OF FAILURE, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT REASON.
SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, IF THEY'RE HERE AND THEY'RE THRIVING, THEN THERE'S A DEMAND FORM 'EM.
I'VE, CUZ I'VE HEARD THIS COMPLAINT SEVERAL TIMES.
I SAID, LOOK, I DON'T, YOU KNOW RIGHT.
BEST THING YOU CAN DO IS EITHER IF, IF YOU VAPE OR YOUR FRIENDS VAPE YEAH.
TELL THEM NOT TO VAPE ANYMORE IS DON'T GO TO THAT STORE.
I DON'T, THAT'S THAT'S HOW YOU DEAL WITH IT RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, IF BECAUSE HERE'S A DEMAND FOR IT.
IF THEY'RE HOPING PEOPLE ARE GOING TO 'EM, THEN THEY'RE THERE.
THERE ARE VAPE SHOPS THAT DO GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
HE'S A REALLY, HE HAS A DIFFERENT BUSINESS.
HE'S GOT A GREAT BUSINESS MODEL.
UM, BUT THEY LIKE, I LOVE SEEING LAST CIGARETTE BUTTS AROUND ALL THE PARKS.
LIKE IF YOU WANT TO VAPE YOUR FRUITY PEBBLES INSTEAD OF FLICKING YOUR MARS OUT WHERE MY KIDS PLAY BY I, THE OTHER THING I THINK HE COULD BE PICKING THEM ALL.
I DUNNO WHAT ELSE TO TELL YOU FOLKS.
I MEAN IT'S YOUR FREE OF I'M NOT GETTING THE NEEDLE.
IT'S YOUR, IT'S YOUR, IT'S YOUR CHOICE.
YOU KNOW? SO, BUT THERE ARE VAPE SHOPS THAT DO GOOD AND MEAN WELL.
AND SO THAT'S WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT OVERREGULATION, WHICH LETTER TO
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THE EDITOR AND ARTICLE WE'RE MISQUOTING ME.I JUST TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE REGULATE AND OVER-REGULATE AND DICTATE, WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE GENTLEMAN LIKE THAT WHO WILL BE IMPACTED.
WHETHER IT'S POSITIVE NEGATIVELY BY THAT.
BECAUSE NOT ALL OF THEM ARE JUST COMING HERE AND SOLICITING OUR UNDERAGE KIDS WITH THEIR, YOU KNOW, COOL CALL.
ANYWAY, WE GOTTA GET BACK TO THE LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING.
BUT I JUST THINK WE SHOULD TALK TO THE COUNTY ABOUT MAIN STORE.
WELL THIS, THIS TOPIC SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE OPEN BUT SINCE IT WASN'T WE I KNOW.
WELL I WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY WHY WE SHOULD TALK TO AN COUNTY ABOUT THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE ONE OTHER PIECE OF ITEM ON THIS VERY TOPIC CUZ AS I SAID, I AUCTIONED UP THE HOT BOX THE LAST TIME.
AND UM, BUT I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THAT UM, I ACTUALLY HAD A FORMER STUDENT CONTACT ME WHO LIVES IN ANOTHER PLACE THAT SHARED WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN THIS OTHER PLACE.
UM, AND UM, I BELIEVE IT'S IN JAMES CITY AND ALSO WILLIAMSBURG.
THEY HAVE, THEY'RE CHANGING THEIR ORDINANCES TO MAKE VAPE SHOPS BE US UP A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND IT HAS TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OR WHOEVER IT IS WHERE IT IS.
UM, AND APPARENTLY I GUESS MORE AND MORE LOCALITIES ARE GOING THAT ROUTE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA, IT'S LIKE THE SHORTTERM RENTALS.
AND I WILL SAY ONE THING, THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT IT, WE GOT TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE LOOKED AT, WE LOOK AT EACH APPLICATION, THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT STAFF HAS TO LOOK ON.
THIS IS WHERE WE MAYBE WOULD'VE PICKED UP THE FACT THAT ONE PERSON'S OWN IN FIVE SHOPS OR WHERE THEY WENT OUT OF, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTRY.
IT WOULD GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, IT WOULD GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE ANALYSIS OF EACH SITUATION AND WHERE IT IS.
CUZ I MEAN THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE.
AND I LIKE I AND I HOPE THAT THE PUBLIC SEES HERES THAT PART OF IT BECAUSE THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION RIGHT NOW THAT THIS COUNCIL IS SEEING AND APPROVING THEM AND WE DON'T
AND DON, WE DON'T DICTATE WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS OPEN.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I LOOK, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN, SO ANYWAY, SO WE'LL TALK TO THE COUNTY ABOUT ACTUALLY YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD NOW, I MEAN WE'VE SAT HERE WAS WE'VE SAT HERE AND BEAT THAT, THAT HORSE FOR THE LAST 15 MONTHS.
WE MIGHT AS WELL TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN WITH THEM AND STEVE, THEY THOUGHTS YEAH.
AS THEIR BUS, AS THE GROWTH HAPPENS WITH BUSINESS.
SO THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO, THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO LOOK AT IT.
AND, AND IT ALL COMES DOWN TO ZONING.
UH, AGAIN, YOU CAN DICTATE HOW MANY CAN BE WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF EACH OTHER.
AND UH, AND THAT COULD BE ALL PART.
SO I GUESS WE ALL AGREED WE'LL ADD THAT TO THE AGENDA.
CAN YOU, UM, UH, IS IT TOO MUCH IN THE WEEDS? HAVE YOU EVER TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THE EQUALIZATION OF TAXES OR ANY OF THE, THE DISPARITIES AND THE PERCENTAGES OF THE COUNTY? OH, COUNTY.
BETWEEN COUNTY AND TOWN? I MEAN, ARE IS THAT TOO, TOO ADMINISTRATIVE? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
WELL, THE BUSINESS LICENSES, NO, I'M NOT ASKING ABOUT THE, UM, THE TAX RATES.
UM, AND HOW RECENTLY OUR REAL ESTATE TAXES, THE WHOLE FIASCO WITH, UM, FOLKS BEING YEAH.
HAVE YOU EVER DISCUSSED THAT PROCESS IN IN LIAISON OR IS THAT TWO OF, DID THEY TALK ABOUT IT IN JANUARY? CUZ YOU WEREN'T ON COUNCIL YET.
DID DID LEGALIZATION COME UP IN JANUARY? MAYBE IT'S CUZ I'VE JUST TALKED.
NO, I DON'T AND THE LIAISON MEETINGS ARE FAIRLY NEW.
WELL THEY WERE HAPPENING ALL THE TIME UNTIL THE PANDEMIC HAPPENED AND THEN, THEN PEOPLE STOP COMMUNICATING.
SO, BUT MY TIME WHEN BACK INTO YEAH.
NO, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, I MEAN I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE TOO MUCH IN THE WEEDS.
ADMINISTRATORS, THE COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE SAYING.
THEY'RE SAYING THAT COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE IS THE ONE THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSING THAT SOUND.
WHICH IS NOT PART OF THE LIAISON.
UNLESS THE COUNTY INSTRUCTS SOMEBODY.
BUT AS, BUT I'LL SAY ONE THING AND JULY RULES AROUND, IF WE DON'T HAVE A HEAVY AGENDA, WE CAN ALWAYS ADD THAT AND GET SOMEBODY TO EXPLAIN IT.
UM, CUZ CUZ IF IT, BECAUSE PEOPLE DO LOOK TO US TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TOWN PEOPLE OFTENTIMES ASK US ABOUT THAT.
I TRY TO EDUCATE PEOPLE AS BEST AS I CAN ABOUT THEIR ISSUES TOO.
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WELL, I GOT OFF, YOU KNOW, MY TIME.
I, I, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME AROUND THE, UH, THE, UH, THE TRACK AT, UH, 15TH STREET.
HEY, I WENT, I WENT TO A COUNCIL MEETING ONE TIME AND I FORGET WHO, WHO, WHO,
SO ANYWAY, UH, NO, HE SAID, I MEANT, MEANT THE 15TH SCREEN TRACK.
I'M LIKE, WHAT'S THE TRIFECTA? I GOT IT.
SO WHAT DO YOU, SO ANYWAY, THE, THE POINT THAT I'M GETTING AT IS, UH, THE, THERE'S NOT NOTHING DONE TO THAT TRACK IN YEARS.
I MEAN, THERE'S READY, GONNA BE TRACK AT 15TH STREET.
15TH STREET WHERE THE GOVERNMENT, WHERE THEY USED TO, THAT'S BEEN ON A PREVIOUS FOOTBALL ILL MIDDLE SCHOOL.
SO THAT'S IN PARKS AND, GOTCHA.
SO HERE'S, I'M JUST GONNA BE REALLY HONEST, AND THEY'RE GONNA PROBABLY QUOTE ME TOMORROW AND I'M FINE WITH THAT, IS THAT I JUST, I HESITATE WHEN, I HESITATE WHEN, WHEN WE CONTINUE TO WANT TO ASK THE COUNTY ABOUT PARKS AND REC ISSUES, BECAUSE WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER THAT, AND WE TOOK THAT AWAY FROM THE TOWN AND GAVE IT TO THEM.
SO I, I, I, THE ONLY REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE IF I WOULD BE THEM, I'D BE LIKE, WELL, IF YOU ALL WANNA KEEP TELLING US HOW TO HANDLE PARK REC, THEN YOU CAN START PAYING FOR IT.
AND WE CERTAINLY, THE TOWN CITIZENS ARE ALREADY PAYING US COUNTY CITIZENS.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT WE COULD A, I I, I ONLY SAY THAT.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I FEEL LIKE WE KEEP ADDING THINGS ABOUT PARKINSON REC AND IT DOES IMPACT OUR CITIZENS, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY OUR, IT'S NOT REALLY OUR PURVIEW.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU, BUT WE, I MEAN, WE COULD ALL, YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK IT AS A COUNTY CITIZEN, CUZ WE ARE COUNTY CITIZENS.
WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THINGS WHERE OUR LANES INTERSECT.
IF WE DON'T STAY IN OUR LANES, THEY MIGHT BE JUST LIKE THAT.
IF YOU WANNA GET IN OUR LANE, THEN PONY UP SOME MONEY.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY FOR THAT, DO WE?
SO IT IT'S STILL THE, THE CAUSE WE'RE COUNTY CITIZENS, RIGHT? IT'S YOU'RE TAX DOLLARS, YOUR TAX ABSOLUTELY.
NO, THAT'S WHY WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT AS A CITIZEN, MYSELF, AS A COUNTY CITIZEN, I, I COULD GO AND SPEAK TO THAT CONCERN, BUT I, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL SHOULD BE, UH, TRYING TO TALK ABOUT, WE, WE SHOULDN'T PUT IT LONG.
MR. WALT'S WAIT MINUTES LATE, BUT GO AHEAD,
I JUST WANTED TO, UH, TAKE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES TONIGHT AND JUST KIND OF RECAP.
WE DID HAVE OUR COUNCIL RETREAT ON MARCH 15TH, AND WE CAME OUT WITH FOUR BIG THEMES, UH, WALKABILITY, TOWN AND COUNTY LAND USE AND REDEVELOPMENT OF OUR ENTRYWAYS.
I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON IT TONIGHT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I'M WORKING ON A GOAL SHEET THAT WILL LIST ALL THESE OBJECTIVES THAT WE CAN MEASURE.
SO I'M GONNA BE WORKING WITH STAFF IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS TRYING TO DEVELOP A LAYOUT SO THAT THERE'S THEIR SPECIFIC MEASURABLE AND TIME BASE.
AND JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THE WALKABILITY THEME, THE FIRST FIRST GOAL THAT WE'VE WORKED ON, UH, FOUND OUT, UM, LAST WEEK ABOUT A FEDERAL GRANT FOR SIDEWALKS, UM, FOR, IT'S CALLED TAP TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE PROGRAM.
AND, UH, THIS PROGRAM OPENS UP EVERY TWO YEARS.
AND LUCKILY FOR US, IT OPENS UP IN MAY.
SO, SO I'M GONNA BE WORKING WITH STAFF, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE THREE TO FOUR POTENTIAL SIDEWALK PROJECTS THAT CAN BE PUT INTO THIS GRANT, WHICH IS A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDED.
UM, SO, UH, MY OBJECTIVE WILL BE TO GET THIS, THE PRE-APPLICATION OPENS UP FROM MID-MAY TO MID-JUNE WITH FINAL DUE IN OCTOBER, BUT THE FUNDS WOULD BE AVAILABLE IF REWARDED NEXT OCTOBER.
SO IT'S STILL A LITTLE BIT OF A WAITING
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GAME, BUT I DO THINK THERE'S A POTENTIAL, ONE OF THE AREAS I'M GONNA CONCENTRATE ON IS WEST CREER ROAD.I THINK THAT'S PRIORITY NUMBER ONE,
UM, BUT, SO THE IDEA IS I WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL ON MAY 1ST WITH GOAL SHEETS FOR ALL FOUR OF THESE THEMES SO THAT WE CAN THEN MONITOR AND, AND CHECK OUR PROGRESS ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
IF I CAN MAKE A COMMENT, JOE, YOUR, YOUR WEEKLY REPORTS ARE OUTSTANDING.
I, I REALLY NEED TO SEE THAT I, WHAT, WHAT I LIKE TO SEE, AND IT, IT, IF YOU JUST LOOK QUICK AND IT, IT'S KIND OF BUSY, BUT YOU HAVE ON A SINGLE PAGE CAPTURED, UH, SO MUCH DATA THAT REFLECTS A, UH, A DEPARTMENT WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND, AND TODAY WE EVEN GOT THE, UH, STAFF REPORT.
THE STAFF REPORT, LIKE THE DEPARTMENT.
UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE KOHLS AND I'M, I'M LIKE, AMBER, I'M VERY EXCITED TO HEAR ABOUT SIDEWALKS AND WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT'S EVEN BETTER
UM, WEST KREER HAS BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING, I'VE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT FOR YEARS.
IT'S WHERE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, LERAY AVENUE WALKING TRAIL AND SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL AND SKYLINE MIDDLE SCHOOL, THEY ALL CONNECT THERE.
THEY USE IT FOR TRACK, THEY USE IT FOR JUST RECREATIONALLY USE AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, I DON'T KNOW WHAT VISION WAS THERE, BUT THERE'S NO ACTUAL SIDEWALK AND A LOT OF STUDENTS USE IT.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT GUY? YEAH.
AND WE ACTUALLY HAD A CITIZEN CAME AND I'M TRYING TO THINK, WAS IT JANUARY? HE CAME, HE CAME MULTIPLE TIMES.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT HE, HE CAME IN AND SHARED LOTS OF INFORMATION AND HE, IT WAS MORE OF A REQUEST.
LIKE WE'VE, WELL, HE HELPED SOMEBODY IN A WHEELCHAIR THAT WAS STUCK IN THE SNOW ACROSS THE ROAD.
SO, UM, BUT THAT'S GENTLEMAN, SAME, THAT WAS HIS SAME GENTLEMAN TWICE.
AND HE LET US KNOW THAT IT WAS FEDERAL LAND SURROUNDING IT.
AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET SOME MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHICH I WAS SUPER STOKED ABOUT, BUT A HUNDRED PERCENT GRANT'S EVEN BETTER.
THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR, YOU KNOW, THEY ALWAYS SAY THERE'S MONEY OUT THERE, YOU JUST GOTTA FIND IT.
I THINK JOE LISTENED TO OUR FEEDBACK AS A COUNCIL.
WE TALKED ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, WALKABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY.
WE CAN FUND TOURISM ALL WE WANT, BUT WHEN I DRIVE THROUGH A TOWN AND THERE'S NO WALKING OR PARKING, I'M NOT STOPPING AND GETTING OUT, SPENDING TIME OF MONEY THERE.
NUMBER SEVEN IS OPEN DISCUSSION, WHICH I KNOW WE KIND OF ALREADY JUMPED THE GUN AND DID A LITTLE OPEN THERE, BUT IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO OPEN? YEP.
UH, IT WAS FOR THE LOCAL BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND IT, UM, OUR CODE OF APPEALS.
YEAH, IT REALLY LEARNED A LOT WITH IT.
UM, WE DID FIGURE OUT, HELP ME OUT HERE, LAUREN, THAT, UH, WHEN THE PROPERTIES ARE INSPECTED, THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY GOES WITH THEM TO INSPECT THE PROPERTIES.
UH, THEN THEY DO A REPORT BACK AND THEN IT HAS TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT WAS GREAT.
I I REALLY, AND THE GUY COVERED INTERESTING TOO.
THANK YOU ALL FOR GOING TO THAT.
AND THEN THE LAST THING I WANNA SAY, WE GOT THE CHIEF SITTING BACK HERE AND WE NEED TO PRAISE HIS DEPARTMENT FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO GET THESE PREDATORS OFF.
I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW MU HOW MANY HE'S GOTTEN OFF THE STREET.
WELL, UNFORTUNATELY WE COULD DO IT EVERY DAY IF WE HAD, I KNOW, I, I WAS OUT TO, I WAS OUT OF TOWN IN CHESAPEAKE THIS WEEK AND THEY MENTIONED FOR ROYAL'S TASK FORCE.
WELL, IT, IT'S, IT'S A TASK FORCE, BUT IT'S WHAT, ONE, TWO? YEAH, IT'S, IT IS TEAM MARK.
WELL, YEAH, I GUESS MARK'S IN CHARGE OF, BUT THERE WAS A CONVERSATION BEING HAD ABOUT, AND I WILL SAY, WAS IT LAST MONTH, THE COMPANY I WORKED FOR CAME OUT AND RECOGNIZED HIM FOR DOING THE JOB THAT HE'S DOING.
HE'S, UH, BUT I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY ENOUGH PRAISES FOR THE CHIEF THE WAY HE'S GOTTEN THIS DEPARTMENT GOING.
FUN WHEN THESE GUYS SHOW UP TO THE LITTLE, FIND THE LITTLE GIRL OR BOY THAT THEY'VE BEEN COURTING ONLINE AND THEY, THEY MARK, THEY RUN INTO MARCH.
WHAT WAS THAT SHOW? IT'S, BUT SERIOUSLY, UM, I LEARNED YESTERDAY CHARLOTTESVILLE A JUDGE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TEACHER DOWN THERE.
IT'S, IT'S THE TRAFFICKING IN OUR AREA BEING ON 66 AND 81 IS UN UNREAL.
I DID, I DID NOTICE A LOT OF, UM, REFERENCES.
YEAH, A LOT OF REFERENCES TO THAT ON 81 THIS PAST WEEK.
WELL, THEY JUST OUT WEST VIRGINIA LIFE SENTENCE DIDN'T THINK YOU MUCH.
AND MY KIDS SAID THAT THEY WERE WARNING SIGNS OF YEAH, I DEFINITELY ALL, I JUST FIND IT, I JUST FIND IT SO
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SAD AND DISTURBING THAT, THAT IT DOES HAPPEN SO OFTEN.IT'S MORE THAN YOU KNOW ABOUT.
IF THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU KNOW, UM, BUT HIS DEPARTMENT'S DOING WONDERFUL.
IN THE COMMUNITY IS VERY OF THAT.
AND THE TECHNOLOGY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE, I MEAN, THE TECHNOLOGICAL SKILL THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE NOW TO STAY AHEAD OF THE PREDATORS IS REALLY, UM, IT'S REALLY REMARKABLE THAT WE HAVE THAT HERE.
THEY'RE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB.
WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING SPEED CAMERAS IN THE, UH, IS THAT, IS THAT RIGHT CHIEF? WE'RE WE'RE INVESTIGATING THE POSSIBILITIES OF, OF POTENTIAL SPEED CAMERAS IN SCHOOL ZONE SCHOOL.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GATHERING SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT NOW YET.
YEAH, I, I READ THAT NOT TO KEEP ALL THE SPOTLIGHT ON CHIEF AND THE TOWN PD, BUT I ALSO WANT TO THANK THEM.
MY SON'S SCHOOL WENT INTO LOCKDOWN RIGHT BEFORE SPRING BREAK.
UM, AND I THINK TOWN PD WERE THE FIRST ON THE SCENE.
UH, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A THREAT ACTIVELY ON THE SCHOOL GROUND, SO IT SEEMED, AND IT WAS AT DISMISSAL.
SO I'M PULLING UP TO GET MY SON OUT OF THE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
AND AS THE BELL'S ABOUT TO RING, THE SCHOOL WENT INTO LOCKDOWN AND THERE WERE PEOPLE LIKE GETTING OUT OF THEIR CARS TO GO FIND OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THEIR KIDS.
UM, BUT TOWN PD WERE FIRST ON THE SCENE, SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THAT.
CAUSE I TRIED TO BE A CALM MOM, BUT SHE, WE KIND OF RE HOW'S YOUR OFFICER THAT'S OFF, UH, RECOVERING? HE'S RECOVERING FROM SIR GETTING READY TO START, UH, PHYSICAL THERAPY SHORTLY.
SO HE IS GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE IT BACK TO WORK.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE FOR OPEN? YEAH, I GOT GOT, OH, IT'S GOT STUFF YOU'VE GOTTA TRY BACK TRAFFIC GROW UP.
SO, SO, UM, SOME, SOME TIME AGO, UH, THERE, THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT CAME ACROSS ABOUT, UM, WOMAN WHO WAS QUESTIONING THE, UM, I THINK IT'S THE, THE PORTION OF THE ALLEY AT 12TH STREET.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF, UH, IF THERE'S BEEN ANY, UH, MOVEMENT ON THAT.
I WAS GONNA, I'M GONNA TALK TO YOU AFTER THE MEETING, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT IN THIS MEETING UNLESS SHE MIGHT BE LISTENING.
I, I, UH, STAFF IS GONNA TAKE CARE OF STAFF IS GONNA TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THAT TRASH OUT THERE ON 12TH STREET.
WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY PUT UP SOME NO DUMPING SIGNS BECAUSE IT APPEARS TO BE THAT SOMEBODY IS USING THAT OR DUMP.
UM, BUT, UM, SO THAT'S ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE.
NOW, MAY 1ST I DO PLAN TO BRING IT TO A WORK SESSION TO TALK ABOUT ALLEYWAYS AND THE MAINTENANCE OF ALLEYWAYS.
I KNOW, I, I SAID UNAPPROVED
SO, AND JUST, JUST FOR, JUST, UM, TO CLARIFY, SO WHEN THAT EMAIL CAME ACROSS, WE, UH, UH, MR. WALTZ AND I TALKED ABOUT WE WERE GONNA ADD IT TO A FUTURE WORK SESSION.
WE JUST KNEW THAT WITH ALL THE STUFF THAT HAD BEEN GOING ON WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND STUFF, THAT WE HAD A BUNCH OF THINGS ON OUR AGENDA, BUT THAT, THAT WAS DEFINITELY GONNA BE SOMETHING.
BUT AS MR. WALTZ SAID, HE, I THINK HE WANTED STAFF TO KIND OF DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND LOOK INTO THINGS TO SEE.
AND THEN, SO WE ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT AS A, AS A COUNCIL.
I KNOW YOU HAVE REQUESTED THAT TOO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY, THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP AGAIN CUZ IT GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY IT'LL BE ON THE MAY 1ST AGENDA.
WAS THAT IT? BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU HAD TRY BACK THEN.
ALRIGHT, WELL, WE'RE MOVING ON.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UM, WHAT I WAS GONNA BRING UP IS I, I, I WANT US TO FIGURE OUT A DIRECTION BECAUSE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO, TO WRITE IN EMAILS AND FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT HEARING THEM OR LISTENING TO THEM.
BUT IT, IT DOESN'T FEEL GOOD TO JUST, UM, RESPOND AS AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER ON A TOPIC THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED YET.
SO I WANNA, YOU KNOW, I WANNA GET SOME DIRECTION, I GUESS, OR SOME AGREEMENT AMONGST US AS TO HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INQUIRIES FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UM, IF NOTHING ELSE, JUST A, AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT WE HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, ON A, ON A LIST AND WE'LL, WE'LL DISCUSS THIS AT A FUTURE TIME BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT GETTING HEARD.
I WOULD DEFINITELY RESPOND TO ALL INQUIRIES.
I MEAN, BUT WHEN THEY DO IT AS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY JUST RE RESPOND, IF THEY ARE JUST EMAILING ME, THEN OF COURSE I FEEL THAT.
BUT IF THEY DO IT TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL, I DON'T REPLY ALL WHEN I RESPOND.
SO JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, OH, OKAY.
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JUST WORKING IN THE CORPORATE WORLD FOR SO LONG.THAT YOU COULD HAVE TEXTED YOUR FRIEND AND TOLD HIM HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, I DO REPLY, I JUST DON'T REPLY AT ALL AND I GIVE THEM MY PHONE NUMBER ALSO AND WELCOME THEM TO CALL ME.
AND I TELL 'EM I'LL BRING THEIR ISSUE UP AND I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET THE DIS SUPPORT TO HAVE DISCUSSED.
AND I, I JUST WANNA SAY, CUZ I KNOW WE, WE WERE, UH, TALKING ABOUT THIS SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES THE EMAILS ARE A QUESTION THAT WE CAN DIRECT STAFF TO ANSWER MM-HMM.
AND NOT THAT WE CAN'T, BUT IT'S NOT IN OUR, UM, IT'S NOT PART OF WHAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
AND SOMETIMES THEY ARE JUST LETTING US KNOW HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT SOMETHING.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS CHALLENGING SOMETIMES BECAUSE TO RESPOND, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, BUT IF YOU DON'T SAY SOMETHING ELSE, LIKE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT OR LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT IT OR WHATEVER, THEN THEY FEEL LIKE, OKAY, YOU RECEIVED MY EMAIL, BUT YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
AND LIKE I SAID, SOMETIMES WE CAN DO THINGS, SOMETIMES WE CAN'T.
SO, UM, BUT I THINK WHAT MELISSA WAS ASKING WAS, IS DO WE WANT TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE ONE PERSON RESPOND, WHETHER IT'S MS PRESLEY OR SOMEBODY ON STAFF, DEPENDING ON THE QUESTION OR CONCERN FOR THAT DEPARTMENT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN.
WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT OR FOLLOWING UP WITH SOMEBODY SO THAT, THAT ALL SEVEN OF US DON'T EMAIL BACK.
THAT'S ELECTED OFFICIALS POSITIONS.
WE'RE ALL GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT STANCE.
I'M SURE THERE'S EMAILS THAT I COULD HAVE FOYA THAT CAME THROUGH THIS WEEK THAT IF ANYBODY ELSE SITTING AROUND THIS TABLE RESPONDED TO, THEY RESPONDED DIFFERENTLY THAN I DID.
SO I RESPOND BACK AND I SAY, RECEIVED, THANK YOU.
FEEL FREE TO CALL AT ANY TIME.
OR IF I KNOW THAT IT'S ON A FUTURE AGENDA, I SAY THAT, UM, I HAD A LADY CALL ME A COUPLE MONTHS BACK WHEN I RESPONDED, RECEIVED, HERE'S MY NUMBER.
SHE JUST LIKE TUNES INTO ALL OF OUR MEETINGS CUZ SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO WATCH ON MONDAY NIGHTS.
AND SHE JUST IS LIKE, I'VE NEVER CAME TO ONE OF YOUR MEETINGS, BUT I JUST TUNE IN AND WATCH 'EM.
AND THIS CAUGHT MY EAR AND WE TALKED FOR HOURS ON THE PHONE.
AND, UM, ANYWAY, I JUST, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S, IF PEOPLE ARE REACHING OUT TO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO WERE ELECTED TO OVERSEE, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S STAFF.
I UNDERSTAND IT WOULD BE NICE IF TINA COULD EMAIL EVERYBODY BACK.
AND TINA'S GREAT ABOUT EMAILING, EVEN COUNSEL WHO'S UNRESPONSIVE A LOT OF TIMES.
BUT, UM, BUT THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE LEARNED THAT, UM, UM, SORT OF CAUGHT MY ATTENTION WHEN WE WENT TO THE TRAINING LAST WEEK WAS WHAT HE SAID TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE REPLY TO ALL.
AND, AND IF IT'S, I KNOW THAT GEORGE HAS A DIFFERENT WORD FOR IT, BUT I CALL IT SYNCHRONOUS.
IF WE'RE ALL, IF WE ALL START CHATTING AT THE SAME TIME OR WE'RE NOT AT THE SAME TIME, DO THAT, WE CAN'T DO IT EXCHANGE.
THAT'S WHAT I, I I DO THE SAME THING IF I REPLY HAPPY.
THINK THE ONLY THING YOU GUYS HAVE EVER GOTTEN A REPLY
WELL, I MEAN THAT ALSO SETS, SETS THE STAGE FOR THEM TO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PERSON MAKING THE INQUIRY TO REALIZE THAT WE DO ALL HAVE, MAY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS ON THINGS.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR FOR, IT COULD BE EASILY MISCONSTRUED ONE PERSON TO, APPLIES ALL FOR EVERYBODY.
OH, BUT THE TOWN COUNCIL THINKS THIS BECAUSE I GOT IT FROM THIS PERSON.
YOU KNOW, WELL, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, I THINK AS, AS AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE AGREE ON A LOT OF THINGS, BUT I MEAN, THERE COULD BE SOME SPECIFIC DETAIL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY, MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT ANSWER FOR.
I MEAN, WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT INFORMATION AS WELL, YOU KNOW, SO AT ANY GIVEN TIME, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT, WHAT I MEANT BY, I RESPONDED.
SO I HAD SOMEBODY, UM, THE, THE, UH, BIKE RACK BESIDE OF OUR DROP OFF BOX WAS VERY CLOSE AND SOMEBODY
I CONTACTED JOE, JOE CONTACTED STAFF BY THE END OF THE DAY IT WAS TAKEN CARE OF.
SO I, THAT, THAT TO ME IS SOMETHING THAT I COULD, YOU KNOW, THAT I, I KNEW I COULD, I COULD FORWARD THAT CONCERN RIGHT AWAY.
UM, BUT SOMETIMES, AND SO INSTEAD OF ALL SEVEN OF US RESPONDING, I'LL CHECK ON THIS.
SOMETIMES THAT'S WHY IF I DO A REPLY TO ALL, IT'S SO THAT YOU ALL KNOW THAT I'VE ALREADY, I'VE ALREADY SET THE BALL IN MOTION MM-HMM.
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NO.MAYOR, WE WERE DOING BOMBARDED ABOUT A STREET LIGHT THAT WAS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND I DIDN'T RESPOND TO ALL THOSE BECAUSE THAT'S, LORI ADDRESSED IT.
LIKE I WAS TRYING, I TRYING ON IT.
BUT THAT, BUT IT'S WASN'T THAT HELPFUL.
I HAVE ONE THING TO DISCUSS AND OPEN.
I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
I'M A VERY BLUNT AND DIRECT PERSON.
IT'S WHO I, BY NATURE, IT'S NOT ME BEING RUDE OR, UM, HOSTILE AS QUOTED.
WE HAD OUR MEETING LAST WEEK AND I'M NOT GONNA SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN UNTIL WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE DISCUSSED HEP TAT AND PROFFERS.
AND IN THAT I MENTIONED IN CLOSING, I WOULD LIKE THIS COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IF WE WOULD LIKE TO DELAY ANY FURTHER.
AND I FELT THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE WERE SOMEHOW OFFENDED BY THAT AND SAID, WHY WOULD WE DELAY THIS ANY FURTHER? AND I JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT THIS COUNCIL, AND IT'S SOMETHING FAIRLY NEWER AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE GET ALL OF THIS INFORMATION PRESENTED TO US ARE EXPECTED TO TAKE ACTION IMMEDIATELY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN.
I DON'T THINK IT'S IN BEST INTEREST OF GOVERNMENT TO TAKE ACTION ON SOMETHING THAT YOU GET INFORMATION ON MINUTES BEFORE.
UM, AS YOU GUYS HAVE PROBABLY SEEN, CUZ I SEE YOU COPIED ON EMAILS THAT, THAT I'M RECEIVING ALL WEEK.
IT PREDATES ALL OF OUR TIME ON COUNCIL AND A LOT OF OUR TIME INVOLVED IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO AGAIN REITERATE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE ACTION IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO ANTICIPATE AND EXPECT THAT WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOW UP TO SPEAK.
UM, AND FOR ME, I PERSONALLY AM NOT COMFORTABLE DISSEMINATING THIS INFORMATION AND IMMEDIATELY SAYING YES OR NO.
AND I THINK IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE AND INEFFECTIVE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT YET AGAIN, THAT WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO TAKE ACTION IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ANYTHING.
UM, WE'VE HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR OTHER THINGS BEFORE VACATING ALLEYWAYS WHERE I LEARNED ALL THIS BRAND NEW INFORMATION THAT I DIDN'T KNOW BEFORE.
UM, SO THERE WAS A WASN'T THERE A TIMELINE THOUGH, LEGALLY THAT WE HAD ONE YEAR.
AND ARE WE WELL FOR THREE MONTHS IN YEAH, WE'RE STILL WILL WITHIN THERE.
WE'VE BEEN OFFERING THEM EXTENSIONS ON THEIR REZONING PLANS FOR OVER 10 YEARS.
THEY'VE JUST CAME TO US IN THE LAST THREE TO FOUR MONTHS WITH THEIR PLANS.
SO WE, THE TOWN HAVE BEEN PATIENT FOR OVER 10 YEARS.
SO WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT UP LAST MONDAY NIGHT THAT THEY'VE BEEN PATIENT, THEY'VE BEEN PATIENT FOR ABOUT TWO MONTHS AND WE'VE ONLY DISCUSSED IT ONCE OR TWICE IN THAT TWO MONTHS.
AND IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION TO BREAK DOWN THE OLD PROFFERS, THE NEW PROFFERS AND CONVENIENTLY LEGISLATION CHANGED IN 2017.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD AGAIN, I WILL NOT AND DO NOT FEEL PRESSURED INTO MAKING A DECISION IMMEDIATELY AFTER RECEIVING LOTS OF INFORMATION.
WELL, I WASN'T, I WASN'T HERE LAST WEEK.
BUT LUCKY TO YOU WHERE THAT WELL AGAIN, BUT I DID GET THE POINT WHERE
BUT I MEAN, THEY ADMITTED THEY SCREWED UP.
SO I'M, I LOOK AT IT TO KINDA LIKE
I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE, IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE THE BEST DECISION WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AND THERE'S GONNA BE INFORMATION BROUGHT UP.
VERY GOOD CHANCE THERE COULD BE
I JUST WANNA REITERATE, WE FORMALLY HAD TWO READINGS OF PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO I, I BROUGHT IT UP AGAIN LAST WEEK, UH, SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
I THINK I EVEN TALKED TO SOME OF YOU ALL ABOUT IT INDIVIDUALLY ONCE YOU GOT ELECTED.
BUT WHEN I FIRST STARTED ON COUNCIL, WE HAD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS OR TWO THEY CALL 'EM TWO READINGS OF EVERY ISSUE THAT, THAT, UM, AND SO, UM, AND YEAH, SO THE THING WAS, THE BENEFIT TO THAT WAS WHAT AMBER AND JOSH JUST SAID, WHICH IS IS THAT SOMETIMES THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING YOU, YOU'RE BRINGING IT UP, YOU'RE LISTENING TO PEOPLE, THEN MORE THAN LIKELY THERE'S SOME KIND OF PRESS COVERAGE ON IT AND THEN IT WOULD COME UP AGAIN.
SO IF YOU WERE, BRUCE BROUGHT THAT UP LAST WEEK ABOUT ONE OF THE CITIZENS, ABOUT THE, UM, THE RECREATION, UH, OUTDOOR RECREATION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT IT UP AGAIN LAST WEEK IS THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT THEY
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SAID THEY WEREN'T AWARE OF IT AND THEN ONCE THEY SAW IT IN THE PAPER, THEY WISHED THEY WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO COME AND SPEAK.UM, SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE BENEFIT OF HAVING TWO READINGS.
THERE'S LOTS OF BENEFITS TO THAT.
AND THEN AS AMBER SAID, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES ONCE IT WAS CHANGED AND I PARTICIPATED IN THAT TOO.
AND I VOTED FOR IT BECAUSE AT THE TIME I THOUGHT YEAH, THAT, THAT WOULD MAKE THINGS GO FASTER.
YOU ONLY NEED ONE MORE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
YOU KNOW, YOU LEARN LIVE AND LEARN.
AND HINDSIGHT TELLS ME NOW THAT, THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW THAT, THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE BEST SITUATION BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE PUBLIC BRINGS THINGS TO YOUR ATTENTION AND YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FACT CHECK IT RIGHT AWAY.
AND SO SOON AS THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSES, YOU GOTTA TAKE A VOTE.
BUT AMBER'S RIGHT, WE DON'T, AND TINA POINTED THAT OUT TOO, ME, THERE WAS ANOTHER TIME IN THE LAST YEAR WHERE THEY SAID YOU DON'T, I THINK IT WAS THIS YEAR ACTUALLY, BUT THE ALLEY VACATION.
BECAUSE WE COULD AND WE CAN JUST LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING TECHNICALLY OPEN AND NOT CLOSE IT.
AND UM, SO THERE IS THAT OPPORTUNITY ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT, TO BE FAIR IS FAIR.
THERE ARE TIMES WHERE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT DON'T REALLY NEED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS, I MEAN SPEND THEIR MONEY.
LIKE FOR SOME OF THE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WELL NOTHING REALLY THAT WORKS TONIGHT, BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE DO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS WHERE NOBODY SIGNS UP AT THE FIRST ONE.
AND EVEN WHEN, AND THIS HAPPENED AND WE HAD A SECOND READING AND NOBODY SIGNED UP THAT TIME.
SO THEN YOU KIND OF WERE GOVERNMENT WAS SLOW BECAUSE YOU WERE MAKING THESE, THE APPLICANT WAIT TWO MONTHS TO BE ABLE TO GET IT APPROVED.
AND SO, UM, AND THAT DOESN'T COUNT THE FACT THAT THEY APPLIED AND HAD TO GET IT ON PLANNING AND HAD TO, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A LONG PROCESS.
AND WHEN WE DECIDED TO GO TO ONE PUBLIC HEARING, PART OF THAT WAS TO IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY OF GOVERNMENT WE THOUGHT, WHICH MEANT THAT IT COULD MOVE THINGS FASTER.
UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY NOW I LOOK AT IT AND THINK THERE WERE TIMES WHERE REALLY IT, IT'S A SHAME.
I THINK I EVEN TOLD THE SUBPOENA ONE TIME, IT'S A SHAME THAT WE COULDN'T SAY THIS ONE NEEDS WONDER READING AND THIS ONE NEEDS TWO.
BUT IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT DOESN'T, MR. SON.
IT DOESN'T EVEN GIVE US TIME TO CONVENE WITH STAFF AFTERWARDS FOR LEGAL ADVICE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND I MEAN, THE REASON I BRING IT UP AGAIN TONIGHT IS CAUSE AT THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S GONNA BE THE LARGEST DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWN.
AND SO IF WE ARE TOLD INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC HEARING OR BETWEEN TONIGHT AFTER WE LEAVE HERE AND APRIL 24TH, WE DON'T RECONVENE, WE DON'T GET TO SIT AROUND THIS TABLE WITH STAFF AGAIN AND GET DIRECTION.
UM, SO I'LL, I WILL JUST SAY I WILL DIAL THAT HILL ALONE, BUT I WILL NOT FEEL BULLIED OR COHERENT INTO MAKING A DECISION IF A, FOR ANY, UM, PUBLIC HEARING IMMEDIATELY AFTER.
I THINK THAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY AND INTEGRITY AS ELECTED OFFICIALS IS TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND TAKE OUR TIME IN MAKING THESE DECISIONS THAT SET THE PRECEDENCE FOR THE FUTURE OF FRONT ROYAL.
KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS NOW WE'RE MY GRANDKIDS WILL BE IMPACTED.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS NOW THAT WE'VE WISHED WOULD'VE BEEN MADE DECISIONS AT NOW THAT WE WISH WOULD'VE BEEN MADE 30 YEARS AGO.
SO AS MR. KELLER OF SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL.
SO THE CHOICES YOU MAKE TODAY SHAPE YOUR ROLE TOMORROW, EVERY MORNING ON THE FINAL.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER PIECE OF IT THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT AFTER RECEIVING SOME EMAIL WAS, YOU KNOW, SO MUCH IS, UM, EMOTIONAL OVER THIS E D A THING.
UM, AND WE, AND I FEEL IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US IN TERMS OF THE PROFFERS AND, YOU KNOW, THE BEST, UH, BEST DIRECTION FOR THE TOWN WITHOUT BEING EMOTIONAL ABOUT THE E D A THING.
YOU KNOW, UH, RON, THE WELLEN I WILL NAME IT, IS GOOD.
PEOPLE MAY BE VERY UNHAPPY ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT A, I WILL CAUTION YOU LEACH RUN PARKWAY HAS NOT BEEN PAID FOR.
WE ARE IN LITIGATION ACTIVELY THAT I WILL NOT SPEAK TO AN OPEN FOR THE FUNDING OF LEACH RUN PARKWAY, WHICH HE DID SIT ON THE E D BOARD THAT FUNDED AND BUILT THAT.
WE HAVEN'T PAID FOR LEE RUN PARKWAY.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE OWE FOR LEACH RUN PARKWAY.
I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE GETTING OFF TAB TOO, BUT I I, THAT WASN'T MEANT TO I'LL CALL CALL YOU.
SHE SAID THAT I'M GONNA LET GO INTO THE DETAILS.
I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE ARE, YOU KNOW, CUZ THAT REALLY WASN'T ON OUR AGENDA.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN OUR OPEN, MY OPEN WAS JUST TO REITERATE THAT WE ARE NOT, NOBODY'S BEING PATIENT.
THE TOWN HAS PUSHED THIS REZONING OFF FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS, WAITING FOR THIS TO BE SENT TO US.
NOW IT'S OUR JOB TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO REVIEW IT PROPERLY AND IN FULL.
NO, I, I HEARD YOU JUST CLARIFY.
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READ WAS THE, THE PROFFER LEGISLATION, THE STATE 2019 UNDER, UNDER NORTH NORTH.OH REALLY? EVERYBODY CAN SENT TO 2017.
THEY, THERE'S NEW INFORMATION.
WE WON'T HAVE TIME BY THE TIME THE PUBLIC HEARING'S OVER.
WELL, AND YEAH, SO, UM, AND, AND HOPEFULLY IF THERE'S ANY INFORMATION THAT ANYBODY NEEDS FROM STAFF, YOU GUYS KNOW, I'VE ASKED FOR SOME STUFF FROM STAFF.
BUT IF THERE'S ANY INFORMATION ANYBODY NEEDS FROM STAFF ON ANY ISSUE, WHETHER IT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T TAKEN ACTION ON, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT, UM, THAT, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR STAFF TO PROVIDE YOU INFORMATION, UM, FEEL FREE TO ASK THEM CUZ THAT'S, THEY DON'T MIND DOING THAT.
THAT'S CUZ GENERALLY THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE LOTS OF INSTITUTIONAL LOANS, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THESE TOPICS THAT HAVE BEEN SITTING AROUND LONG SINCE BEFORE ANY OF US GOT ON COUNCIL.
UM, ALRIGHT, WELL THEN, UM, WE ARE, UM, WE NEXT UP IS OUR CLOSED MEETING.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM COUNSEL.
IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE IT, I CAN SHOW YOU MY SCREEN.
UM, MAD MAYOR, I MOVE THIS TOWN COUNCIL CONVENING A CLOSED MEETING FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYER RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIF LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL, SPECIFICALLY ESTABLISHMENT POWERS, DUTIES AND LIMITATIONS OF THE FRONT ROYAL EEA TWO SECTION 2, 2 3 7 1 A EIGHT OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA SECOND.
AND I'M GONNA GO, CAN WE DO ROLL? OH, I DIDN'T, SHE WAS OUT.
I THINK JOE CAN DO THE ROLL CALL AND THEN, AND THEN BE TO THE BATHROOM.
COUNCILMAN ROGERS AND VICE MAYOR? YES, SIR.