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HEY,[Town Council Work Session on April 3, 2023.]
IS EVERYBODY READY? WE'RE READY.SO I'M GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, APRIL 3RD TO ORDER, AND, UH, MR. PRESBY WILL TWO A ROLL CALL TWO.
SO, UH, ITEM TWO IS A CONTINUED BUDGET DISCUSSION.
SO, MR. WILSON, THIS TAKE YOUR ONE, ALL THREE OF THESE A BT
UM, SO THIS IS CONTINUED BUDGET BUDGET DISCUSSION FOR OUR PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET.
UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS ADVERTISE FOR, UH, PUBLIC WHOLE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, REQUEST COUNSEL'S APPROVAL ON APRIL 24TH, ADVERTISED FOR THE 14 0 14 49 0.6 MILLION.
UH, THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET, UH, WITH NO CHANGES.
UM, JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER DISCUSSION THAT YOU'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO HAVE, HAVE WANTED, OR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ADVERTISEMENT.
I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S GOTTEN LOTS OF QUESTIONS.
YES, I'VE ANSWERED, I'VE, I'VE ANSWERED SOME QUESTIONS THROUGH EMAIL AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE QUESTIONS.
UM, NEXT ONE THERE IS, UH, THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO, UH, CHAPTER 1 34 OF TOWN CODE FOR THE SEWER RATES.
IT WOULD BE, UH, TWO AND A QUARTER PERCENT.
UH, AS WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, UH, THIS WAS RECOMMENDED BY OUR CONSULTANT ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO.
UH, THIS WOULD CONTINUE ON FOR ANOTHER, UH, TWO YEARS.
AND THEN WE PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER READ STUDY DONE, UM, AND ALSO REQUEST FOR COUNSEL'S APPROVAL FOR THAT ON THE 24TH.
AND THEN THE LAST THING IS THE RESOLUTION FOR EXTENSION OF DUE DATE OF REAL ESTATE AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.
UM, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY THE DUE DATE.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS EXTEND OUT THE PENALTY AND INTEREST DATE.
SO EXTENDING THE DUE DATE WOULD REQUIRE US TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE.
UH, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, SO EFFECTIVELY, UH, DOING THE SAME THING BY EXTENDING OUT THE PENALTY AND, UM, AND INTEREST, UH, WE WOULD MAKE THAT, UH, JUNE 20TH.
UM, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, WARREN COUNTIES COULD BE DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR, MAYBE THE 20TH OR, UH, A DATE THEREAFTER, BUT, UH, LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE, UH, GOING THE SAME ROUTE.
UH, HAVE ANY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT EITHER OF THOSE AS WELL? BJ FIRST C I JUST WANNA ASK, UM, SO CITIZENS WILL GET THEIR BILL JUST LIKE REGULAR MM-HMM.
BUT, WE'LL, I I ONLY ASK THIS CUZ WE DID THIS LAST YEAR AND WE DONE FOR THIS WILL BE OUR FOURTH YEAR.
UM, I KNOW THAT LAST YEAR THERE WERE, THERE WAS FRUSTRATION BECAUSE PEOPLE SAW THE BILL SAID, OH MY GOODNESS, I'M SUPPOSED TO PAY THIS IN.
YOU KNOW, AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, DO WE INCLUDE IN THE BILL, UH, NOTICE ABOUT THE PENALTY? IT IS INDEED.
UM, THAT THE, UH, INTEREST IN, UH, PENALTY IS, UM, UH, DELAYED AND IT'LL, IT'LL STAY THROUGH THE 20TH.
UM, BUT THE DUE DATE DOES STILL SHOW JUNE 5TH AND CIRCUMVENT THAT IS TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE AND BEING UP AGAINST THE DEADLINE.
WE CAN'T REALLY, YEAH, NO, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I KNOW LAST YEAR THERE PEOPLE'S PERCEPTION BECAUSE WE WERE LATE GETTING IT OUT TO THEM LAST YEAR, REMEMBER? RIGHT.
I MEAN, NOT JUST ON OUR PHONE, I'M JUST SAYING WE WERE LATE BECAUSE OF THE PERSONAL PROPERTY.
I'LL SEE IF WE, WE ALSO PUT OUT A PUBLIC NOTICE, BUT I'LL SEE IF LIZZIE CAN MAYBE PUT SOMETHING ON FACEBOOK FOR US.
PLUS THERE'S A, UM, THE THING THAT, UM, THE ACCOUNT ALERT TINA, THAT GOES TO PEOPLE'S TEXTS AND, UM, EMAILS.
MAYBE THAT'LL BE PART OF THE PUBLIC NOTICE.
THAT, SO WE JUST, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PEOPLE.
WE'LL TRY TO BLAST THAT OUT THERE A LITTLE BETTER THIS YEAR.
SO THEY DON'T FEEL THAT THEY'RE KIND.
THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD.
SO I'LL ITEM NUMBER THREE, UM, UH, THESE WILL BE THE ITEMS THAT ARE, UH, POSSIBLY SLATE OF REPUBLIC HEARING AFTER WE TALK ABOUT IT THIS EVENING.
SO A IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR LODGING HOUSE AT 200 NORTH RURAL AVENUE WARREN COALITION.
AND, AND LAUREN IS GONNA, UM, SHE'S OUR STAFF MEMBER THAT'S GONNA SHARE WITH US.
SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE STAND OVER HERE, FIND AS EASILY TO SEE.
SO FOR THE FOREIGN COALITION, THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A LODGING HOUSE THAT IS LOCATED AT 200 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE.
NOW, THE PROPERTY ZONED C2, IT'S IN THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT AND IT'S LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD THEIR PUBLIC
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HEARING LAST MONTH.THEY VOTED UNANIMOUSLY, UH, TO FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND THAT, UH, WITH THE TWO CONDITIONS THAT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS OR ROOMS SHOULD NOT EXCEED 10, WHICH IS IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND THAT THE AFRICAN NEEDS TO PROVIDE PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE EIGHT SPACES HAVE INCLUDED THE PLAT ALONG WITH THE STAFF THAT SHOWS THAT THEY DO HAVE THE SPACE TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE PARKING.
STAFF WENT AND DID AN INSPECTION.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S THE, IT'S A MAXIMUM OF 10.
SO ALONG THE SUMMARIES IS A MAXIMUM OF THAT? YES.
THAT'S WITH, WITH OCCASIONAL, OCCASIONAL USE OF UP TO 10 THAT IT'S NOT EXPECTED.
AT THIS POINT, I DON'T THINK THEIR INTENTION IS TO GO TO THE MAXIMUM, BUT BECAUSE OUR CODE, OUR ZONING ORDINANCE HAS A MAXIMUM LIMITED THERE, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST TO JUST CAP IT AT THE MAXIMUM.
THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF IT AND THEN OKAY.
THEY CAN GO UP TO THAT AS THEY NEED TO.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS? MS. UH, COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT? DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I WILL.
SO I CALLED WHEN YOU BRUISE
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD IS, UH, IS, UH, THE, UH, I GUESS THE RESIDENTS, THEY, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO RE RECEIVE TREATMENT WHILE, WHILE THEY'RE IN, WHILE THEY'RE STAYING IN THE FACILITY.
I THINK THAT'S A, ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS OF THEIR FUNDING IS THAT THEY NEED TO BE IN SOME TYPE, ENGAGED IN AA, NARCOTIC ANONYMOUS, UH, A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS. AND, AND IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT MS. KISHK ANSWERED, I BELIEVE CHRIS IS THE RIGHT.
SO IF, IF ANYBODY WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT'S DIRECTED TOWARDS DORM WARREN COALITION, WE COULD ASK HER AS WELL.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION WAS THE COUNSELOR, UM, KIND OF REMINDS ME OF COLLEGE, LIKE A DORM, A GUY THAT WAS IN THE DORM 24 7.
THE COUNSELOR WILL BE, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE STAFF PRESENT 24 7.
THE MANAGERS, THEY WILL, THE MANAGER WILL BE THERE FROM TWO 30 IN THE AFTERNOON UNTIL EIGHT 30 IN THE MORNING.
AND THEN PEOPLE, THEY'RE, I MEAN, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO GO OUT TO WORK.
PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA BE ALLOWED TO STAY IN THE HOUSE.
THEY MAY BE ON DIFFERENT SHIFTS, BUT THEY WILL LIVE IN THE HOUSE.
THEIR RESIDENTS WILL BE THERE, BUT THEY ONLY ARE GONNA WORK FOR US IN A PART-TIME CAPACITY.
SO THEY'LL LIVE THERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA WORK 24 HOURS A DAY.
IT'S, IT'S ONE PERSON WHO'S A PEER SUPPORT SPECIALIST WHO WILL LIVE IN THE HOUSE AND WILL HAVE A CASELOAD FOR HIMSELF.
BUT THEN WE HAVE OTHER PEER SUPPORT SPECIALISTS WHO WON'T LIVE IN THE HOUSE, WHO WILL HAVE CASELOADS AS WELL, SO THAT THEY HAVE A CLOSE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GENTLEMAN IN THE HOUSE, UM, ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND THEY WILL, THEY NEED TO BE COMING OUT OF TREATMENT TO COME INTO THE HOUSE.
WE CURRENTLY ARE PROVIDING FREE SUBSTANCE MISUSE TREATMENT AS PART OF A GRANT WE HAVE, IT WILL NOT BE PROVIDED IN THE HOUSE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW WE WENT FORWARD WITH THE LICENSURE TO TRY TO DO THIS.
WE'RE REGISTERING IT AS A RECOVERY RESIDENCE WITH THE STATE OF VIRGINIA AND NATIONALLY.
AND SO IT'S THE LINE FOR TREATMENT CAN'T GET CROSSED IN THE HOUSE, BUT THEY CAN COME TO THE OFFICE, WHICH IS 5 38 VILLA, GET TREATMENT THERE.
BUT WE CAN'T, JUST BY THE WAY WE'RE TRYING TO LICENSE IT, WE, WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT CROSSING THE LINE IN THE HOUSE AS FAR AS TREATMENT.
THEY CAN GO TO OTHER PLACES FOR TREATMENT.
WE WILL HAVE NA AND AA MEETINGS IN THE HOUSE.
UM, AND IF THEY'D RATHER HAVE, UH, LIKE CELEBRATE RECOVERY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT HAS A MORE RELIGIOUS NATURE, THAT WILL SUFFICE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME TO OUR VERSION.
IF THEY HAVE A RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION THAT THEY'D RATHER GO TO THEIR TREATMENT, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
AS LONG AS THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING IN ADDITION TO COMING TO OUR CLASSES, THEY HAVE A CURRICULUM THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW.
UM, AND AN ONLINE PROGRAM THAT EACH ONE OF THEM WILL BE ABLE TO SET UP WITH THEIR OWN GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.
WE'RE REQUIRING THEM TO SAVE MONEY SO THAT THEY CAN IN FACT MOVE OUT.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING SIX TO NINE MONTHS.
AS LONG AS THERE AREN'T PROBLEMS, WE'LL NOT BE ALLOWED TO STAY IF THEY'RE MISUSING SUBSTANCES.
BUT WE WILL TRY VERY HARD TO GET THEM INTO TREATMENT.
UM, I'LL JUST HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET YOU INTO IN INPATIENT TREATMENT IF YOU WANNA GO.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT IN THAT PLACE, THEN YOU CAN'T STAY HERE.
UM, WE'VE GOTTEN 21 PEOPLE INTO INPATIENT TREATMENT IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS AND WE, I HAD ONE DRIVING 'EM TO, UH, SOMEBODY IN NEWPORT NEWS TODAY TO PUT 'EM INTO TREATMENT.
SO WE TRY REALLY, REALLY HARD TO KEEP THEM IN, KEEP 'EM, KEEP 'EM WELL AS WELL AS THEY'RE WILLING TO BE, I WILL SAY IT THAT WAY.
AGAIN, I CANNOT FORCE THEM UNDERSTAND.
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OUR VERY BEST TO ENCOURAGE THEM.AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE PAYING MONEY TO HOUSE PEOPLE IN, I SHOULDN'T SAY IT THIS WAY, THIS DOESN'T SOUND GOOD, BUT IN A LOWER LEVEL, I WILL SAY IT, THAT, UM, SOBER LIVING HOUSES IN WINCHESTER.
SO THE COALITION IS SHELLING OUT TO TRY TO HOUSE PEOPLE IN THESE PLACES, AT LEAST THEIR INITIAL TWO WEEKS.
AND NOT, CAN'T KEEP 'EM HERE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO PUT THEM.
SO WE ARE CONSTANTLY PAYING BILLS TO GET PEOPLE TWO WEEKS IN OXFORD HOUSES UP THERE, AND THEN THEY'RE ON THEIR OWN.
UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE WILL HAVE VISITING DAYS, BUT RESTRICTED.
AND THERE IS DEFINITELY, THE DOOR LOCKS AT 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, AND IF YOU'RE NOT IN, YOU'RE NOT IN UNLESS YOU WORK 11 TO SEVEN.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, YEAH, 11 TO SEVEN, THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT IN, BUT YOU'RE AT WORK
UM, BUT, UH, SHORT OF THAT, AND, UH, THEY CAN LEAVE AND NOT STAY IN THE HOUSE, BUT THEY WILL BE DRUG TESTED IMMEDIATELY WHEN THEY COME BACK.
AND BECAUSE I'VE WORKED IN THIS FIELD FOR A LONG TIME, WE HAVE MANY WAYS TO DRUG TEST.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE, OH, WE KNOW HOW TO, I KNOW HOW THEY BEAT ALL THE DRUG TESTS.
I'VE HEARD EVERY WAY TO BEAT A DRUG TEST.
LIKE, YEAH, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA PLAY THAT GAME.
IF IF THEY'RE NOT IN BY 11 AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN AND THEY'RE NOT AT WORK, IS THAT GROUND GROUNDS FOR DISMISSAL? THEY'RE, YES.
SO, I MEAN, IF THEIR CAR BROKE DOWN ALONG THE ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND WE COULD VERIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE WERE CALLED AND THEN, YOU KNOW, NO, WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE, BUT TRUST ME, THEY WILL BE DRUG TESTED PROBABLY IN MULTIPLE WAYS COMING BACK INTO THAT HOUSE.
CUZ UH, I'VE DONE THIS WORK FOR 23 YEARS.
I'M NOT ABOUT CONTRIBUTING TO DRUG PROBLEMS. WE HAVE PLENTY ALREADY IN FRONT OF ROYAL, AND THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A WAY TO LET THAT HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE DRUGS IN THE HOUSE, WE'LL PRESS CHARGES IF THERE'S ANY OF THAT HAPPENING.
THE DATA DOES THE DATE, WHAT, WHAT DOES THE DATA SUGGEST ABOUT SUCCESS? YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON TWO THINGS.
IT DEPENDS ON THE LEVEL OF SUPPORT THAT PEOPLE GET.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING IN AND OUT OF AN OXFORD HOUSE DAY, WHERE LITERALLY MAYBE YOU GET DRUG TESTED ONCE A MONTH AND YOU'RE NOT FORCED TO NECESSARILY GO TO MEETINGS OR DO THINGS LIKE THAT, AND YOU'RE SORT OF COMING AND GOING, YOUR LEVEL OF SUCCESS IS GONNA BE FAR LESS THAN, SAY WE'RE A LEVEL THREE HOUSE, THE HIGHEST LEVEL IS FOUR.
UM, WHERE THEY WOULD ACTUALLY GET TREATMENT IN THE HOUSE TOO.
UH, SO THE MORE SUPPORT, THE MORE WE SEE SUCCESS, THAT'S WHAT ANY OF OUR CLIENTS, AND WE'RE, WE'RE TREATING PEOPLE NOW, IF THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO SORT OF JOIN HANDS WITH US.
THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE PEOPLE STARTING TO DROP AWAY.
BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY ENGAGED, REALLY INVOLVED.
THEY, WE TAKE THE MEETINGS AND WE, YOU KNOW, CONTACT 'EM ALL THE TIME AND GET 'EM JOBS.
AND THOSE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE DONE VERY, VERY WELL.
SOME WE'VE WORKED WITH WHO'VE NOW BEEN IN RECOVERY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO BE OKAY.
BUT AGAIN, WE CAN'T FORCE THEM.
SO HOW ABOUT MEDICATION? HOW ABOUT THEIR MEDICATION? THEY'RE, THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THEIR OWN MEDICATION.
DO YOU HAVE A NURSE THAT DISPENSES? SO WE, WE DO NOT HAVE A NURSE, BUT HOW IT WORKS IN THE HOUSE IS, UM, THEY WILL COUNT OUT THEIR OWN PILLS FOR EVERY DAY.
THERE'LL BE A MED DISTRIBUTION TIME, THE HOUSE MANAGER WILL OPEN IN FRONT OF THEM AND ON CAMERA THE MEDS, THEY WILL TAKE THEIR MEDS, THEY WILL WATCH THEM TAKE THEIR MEDS ON CAMERA, AND THEN IT GOES BACK IN A LOCK SAFE, WHICH IS ALSO IN A LOCKED ROOM WITH HINGES THAT ARE REVERSED.
SO YOU CAN'T TAKE THE DOOR OFF THE HINGES
SO THEY, THEY HAVE TO BE IN TREATMENT TO, TO STAY AT THESE PLACES? YES.
THEY ACTIVELY NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN SOME FORM OF SUPPORT AND TREATMENT, WHATEVER THAT, AGAIN, I CAN'T PRESCRIBE THAT, BUT WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.
MAYOR I WAS INVOLVED IN EARLY ON IN MY CAREER BACK IN THE SEVENTIES, I WAS INVOLVED, UH, VERY, VERY CLOSELY IN, IN A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS, BOTH ON THE, UH, COMMUNITY LEVEL, UH, AS, AS WELL AS A PSYCHIATRIC INPATIENT LEVEL.
AND IT, IT, IT, THE COMMUNITY HOUSING HAS THE, UH, RULES AND REGULATIONS ESTABLISHED.
WELL, AND THE MONITORING IS THERE AND BOTH THE CARE, BUT ALSO THE RESPONSIBILITY IS THERE IN TERMS OF, OF PEOPLE, UH, UH, FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THEIR COMMITMENT.
UH, NOT, DO YOU ASSIGN A CONTRACT OR THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY WELL.
OH YES, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE LINES AND LINES.
OF HERE ARE THE RULES, HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
I WOULD BE, I AM LOOKING FORWARD,
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UH, TO SEEING HOW THIS PROGRESSES.I THINK, UH, COORDINATING THAT WITH DRUG COURT AND SOME OTHER IS ISSUE, UH, UH, OTHER, UH, AREAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO IN OUR TOWN.
UH, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, SEEING HOW THE NEXT SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR GOES, UH, AND WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR COMING BACK AND, AND PROVIDING US INPUT ON, ON HOW THINGS ARE GOING WITH YOUR RESIDENTS.
UH, THE SIX TO NINE MONTHS IS AGGRESSIVE, UH, BUT I, I LIKE TO SEE THE MONITORING AND SO FORTH, SO, UH, I WISH YOU ALL GOOD LUCK ON THAT.
I THINK THEY'LL, THEY, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA TRY TO HELP 'EM ON THE RENT SIDE IF THEY STAY CONNECTED TO THE HOUSE.
SO EVEN IF THEY'RE OUT, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GIVE RENT INCENTIVE TO THEM TO KEEP COMING BACK TO MEETINGS TO KEEP COMING.
EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT LIVING THERE.
IT'S LIKE, OH, YOU DID 28 DAYS.
AND THEY'RE BACK ON THE STREET IN THREE DAYS.
WE HAVE SOMEBODY HELPING 'EM TO TRY TO GET INTO EDUCATION OR INTO GETTING NEW JOBS.
WE PAY FOR STUFF SO PEOPLE HAVE THEIR BOOTS OR HAVE THEIR CLOTHES IF THEY NEED IT TO GO TO WORK, GIVE 'EM RIDES SOMETIMES WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE IT.
UM, I THINK A NUMBER OF US REALLY HARD INTERESTED IN ANY VETERANS THAT YOU HAVE COMING THROUGH THAT PROGRAM.
THERE'S ASSISTANCE THAT CAN ALSO BE PROVIDED.
SO, AND WE DO HAVE CONNECTIONS WITH THE, WITH THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION TOO, ON SOME HOUSING.
WE'RE WORKING ON ALL SORTS OF STUFF.
BUT YES, AND I, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, AND IT'S THAT, IT'S THAT CLOSENESS AND THAT CONNECTION AND THOSE TIES THAT MATTER LONG TERM AND BUILDING THAT COMMUNITY.
SO WE'RE TRYING REALLY HARD TO WORK ON ESTABLISHING A COMMUNITY THAT'S TIGHT THAT PEOPLE WANNA BE PART OF.
AND I, AND I'M, I'M HOPEFUL, BUT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH, UM, THIS IS PART OF A GRANT SYSTEM AND WE HAVE, UM, A TECHNICAL ASSISTANT AGENCY WHO DOES LOTS OF RECOVERY HOUSES FOR THE UNITED STATES.
SO WE'VE BEEN INTERACTING WITH THEM SINCE, UH, JULY, AUGUST OF LAST YEAR ON HOW DO WE DO THIS? TELL US EXACTLY WHAT TO DO, HOW DO WE GET OUR ACCREDITATION WITH THE STATE? HOW DO WE GET ACCREDITATION NATIONALLY? I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
WE'RE GONNA DO IT RIGHT, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.
AND THAT'S THE KIND OF WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE OPERATING.
AND, UM, I, I MEAN, I CARE, I WORK IN THE JAIL.
I'VE WORKED IN THE JAIL FOR SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS.
I CARE VERY DEEPLY ABOUT THESE PEOPLE AND WANT THEM TO BE AS WELL AS THEY WANNA BE.
AND IT'S A TOUGH PROFESSION TO BE IN.
UH, IT GETS FILTERED OUT ALONG THE WAY.
AND THOSE STAY WITH IT, HAVE A, HAVE A, A REAL PIECE OF THEM THAT'S COMMITTED TO THAT.
SO, AND THEY KNOW OUR PEER SUPPORT PEOPLE DO TOO.
THE COURTS ARE REALLY SENDING PEOPLE TO US NOW BECAUSE THEY ARE THAT COMMITTED AND THEY KNOW IT AND THEY CAN SEE IT.
THEY KNOW REAL WHEN THEY SEE IT.
PEOPLE FROM THE STREET KNOW REAL AND KNOW FAKE FOR SURE.
OKAY, THANK YOU MR. SCHIFFLER.
SO I'M JUST GONNA OPEN UP IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I KNOW THAT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THERE WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE CONCERNED CITIZENS, LOTS OF PEOPLE SPOKE, BUT THERE WERE LOTS OF QUESTIONS ASKED AND SCHIFFLER WAS ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE.
UM, SO I KNOW SOME OF THE ONES I HAD, I FEEL LIKE I ALREADY WERE ASKED AND ANSWERED, BUT I WANNA GIVE EVERYBODY ELSE THE OPPORTUNITY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, NO, NOT RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T, I'VE ACTUALLY MET, UH, WITH THE WARREN COALITION AND THE PROPERTY OWNER ABOUT THIS, UH, PROBABLY A YEAR AGO.
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING TO FRUITION.
SO BETWEEN THAT AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ALL MY QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED, I THINK, READY TO ADVERTISE.
UM, I JUST HAD A COMMENT THAT THE, UM, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT A COMMENT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WARREN COALITION HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.
THEY, THEY'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE NINETIES.
UM, UH, UNDER KRISTA'S LEADERSHIP, UM, THEY HAVE AN INCREDIBLY STABLE AMOUNT OF FUNDING.
UM, THEY RUN VERY LOTS OF PROGRAMS. UM, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THEM IN PROBABLY EVERY ROLE THERE IS, INCLUDING HAVING MY OWN DAUGHTER AND I'M THE PROGRAM.
SO, UM, I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR WHAT THEY DO.
AND I'M, I HAVE, I HAVE KIND OF SURPRISED THAT THEY TOOK THIS ONE BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH GOING ON, BUT I THINK THAT THEY'RE THE BEST GROUP TO, TO RUN IT.
AND I THINK THAT THEY WILL REALLY, UM, BE, UH, HAVE GREAT OVERSIGHT OVER IT AND IT'S A GREAT INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I WOULD AGREE EVERY QUESTION THAT SOMEBODY THROUGH AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, KRISTA, WAS QUICK TO, TO ANSWER AND HAD TO HAD.
SO BRUCE, I KNOW YOU ALREADY ASKED SOME QUESTIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE? I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, UM, I SAW FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION THERE WERE SOME, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT RESIDENCE.
AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY AND THE LOCATION THAT IT'S IN, I FEEL LIKE HAS THE LOWEST IMPACT IN THE ANY SURROUNDING RESIDENTS.
IT'S REALLY IN A, UM, VERY CLEAR, EASILY ATTAINABLE
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AREA FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.IF THERE WERE AN ISSUE AND THERE ISN'T A LARGE NUMBER OF SURROUNDING RESIDENTS, THAT HELPS.
SO IT'S JUST ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT ALREADY.
THAT WAS MY QUESTION AND THEN YOU SAID IT EARLIER.
SO I THINK THE, UM, CUZ I'M A MEMBER OF THE DRUG COURT ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND SO I THINK YOU SAID THAT, THAT SOMEBODY THAT IS MAYBE, UM, UH, PART OF THE DRUG COURT, THEY, THEY, THEY COULD POSSIBLY, THIS COULD BE HOUSE HOUSING PROVIDED FOR THEM AND YES.
AND I REACHED OUT TO AARON DOOLEY NOW THE NEW COORDINATOR.
JUST HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY'RE BEDS, IT MAKES SENSE.
I KNOW HOW, I KNOW HOW THE ONE IN IN WINCHESTER WORKS AND I KNOW THAT THEY WANT THEM IN SOBER LIVING HOUSES.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT, THERE'S A NOT, THERE'S NOTHING HERE BASICALLY AT PLAY.
AND THERE'S CERTAINLY APARTMENT COMPLEXES WHERE WE DON'T WANT THEM IN FRONT ROYAL.
SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN, IN DOING, AGAIN, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE GOT THEIR FEET A LITTLE BIT.
I WANT PEOPLE TO BE, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST COME OUTTA DETOX, UM, PARTICULARLY IF THEY HAVE METH BECAUSE IT TAKES SO LONG TO DETOX FROM METH.
I'D LIKE 'EM TO BE A LITTLE MORE STABLE BEFORE THEY COME STROLLING THROUGH THAT DOOR.
UM, BUT YES, AND, AND JUST TO SAY TO THAT, WE HAVE, UH, A LONG STANDING RELATIONSHIP, NOT ONLY WITH WE WITH THE TOWN POLICE, BUT ALSO WITH WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND UH, YOU KNOW, WORK, WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM.
SO, UM, YEAH, WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO, UH, ENABLE BEHAVIOR THAT WE DON'T WANT IN THIS TOWN.
AND WE DON'T WANT THIS, THIS, I'D RATHER DRUG PREVENTION AGENCY FOLKS.
I DON'T WANT DRUGS IN WARREN COUNTY.
LET'S JUST, WE'LL JUST SAY THAT THIS IS A SIDE QUESTION, BUT TRANSPORTATION IS, I, I ONLY ASK THAT CUZ UM, AT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING, WE WERE JUST, UM, TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, THEM GETTING TO COURT, GETTING TO, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT PLACES AND THERE WAS A LITTLE CONCERN THAT WE'RE DOWN TO JUST ONE CAB COMPANY IN, IN WARREN COUNTY.
AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, DO YOU ALL, IS THAT PART OF THE SERVICES IS TRANSPORTATION? WE DO.
I MEAN, I TOLD YOU I JUST HAD A GUY TAKE SOMEBODY NEW.
YEAH, WELL THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT PER, SO YEAH, WE RUN PEOPLE AROUND, WE RUN PEOPLE TO MEETINGS AND TOWNS NOT JUST HERE CUZ THEY'RE NOT EVERY DAY.
SO WE, WE GO AROUND, WE SERVE, WE'RE TARGETING FOR THIS HOUSE, WARREN PAGE AND SANO COUNTY RESIDENTS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MY GRANT SERVES.
I CAN'T DENY PEOPLE HOUSING BECAUSE OF THAT.
WE'RE TRYING NOT TO, YOU KNOW, PULL PEOPLE FROM THE WINCHESTER AREA.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF OXFORD HOUSES AND LORD FAIRFAX HOUSE AND STUFF IS UP THERE.
SO I, I'D REALLY RATHER TRY TO GET FOLKS FROM THE SOUTHERN END INTO A PLACE THAT'S STABLE IF I CAN.
AND WE'RE ALSO WORKING, JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ON A TRANSPORTATION THING THAT WE'VE WAITED INTO ABOUT TRYING TO GET SOME BUSING BETWEEN HERE AND THE PLANTS COMING DOWN OFF THE MOUNTAIN.
AND WE'RE SORT OF GOT A PLAN BUBBLING WITH THAT.
UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO CAN'T DRIVE THAT WE WORK WITH.
AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, AND THE PLANTS ARE TELLING US THAT THEY LOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET TO WORK AND THEN THEY GET POINTS AND THEN, SO THEY'RE LOSING EMPLOYEES.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO ENGAGE THE PLANTS AND FIGURE OUT SOME OF THAT AND GET OUR PEOPLE EMPLOYED TOO.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON BOTH SIDES.
WELL AND THAT'S WHAT THE DRUG COURT, LIKE SOME OF THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, RESTRICTIONS OR THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW LIKE GETTING EMPLOYMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WELL, GETTING A JOB IS ONE THING, BUT GETTING TO THE JOB IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
AND HONESTLY, UM, YEAH, THE, JUST WHEN SOMEBODY MENTIONED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE DOWN TO ONE CAT COMPANY, IT, IT DIDN'T REALLY STRIKE ME AS BEING A MAJOR PROBLEM CUZ IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I USE.
BUT RECOGNIZING THAT THAT'S A MAJOR PIECE TO OTHER DRUG COURT.
AND SO I SPOKE WITH THE HOUSE OF HOPE, BUT I'D BE GLAD TO INVITE YOU.
I SIT ON THE TRANSPORTATION SUBCOMMITTEE, THAT'S A JOINT NEWLY FORMED SUBCOMMITTEE BETWEEN THE TOWN AND COUNTY.
UH, FORMER COUNCILMAN LATASHA THOMPSON HAD WORKED.
UH, SHE WORKS IN FREDERICK COUNTY AND TREX, UM, ACTUALLY HAS AN AGREEMENT WHERE THEY PAY AND THEY BLESS PEOPLE ALL OVER FROM MARTINSBURG TO TREX.
SO ACTUALLY WE MEET THIS WEDNESDAY AT FOUR AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER.
IF YOU CAN ATTEND, UH, STAKEHOLDERS ARE INVITED TO ATTEND.
VDOT WILL BE THERE THIS WEDNESDAY.
AND WE ARE TRYING TO WORK WITH PLACES LIKE FAMILY DOLLAR DISTRIBUTION IN THE INLAND PORT TO ALSO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHY REINVENT THE WHEEL AND WE CAN ALL BRING OUR HEADS TOGETHER TO, TO WORK ON THIS TO GET, YOU KNOW, WE ADDED THE TROLLEY STOPS, UM, LAST YEAR THROUGHOUT TOWN.
AND SO THE TRANSPORTATION ASPECT IS A REALLY BIG PIECE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS IS COUNCIL'S FOCUSING ON.
I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT MY CALENDAR.
IF NOT, UM, IF YOU SHOOT ME AN EMAIL, I'LL KEEP YOU.
WE'VE BEEN MEETING ABOUT EVERY TWO WEEKS.
MICHELLE SELZER IS PART OF THIS COMMITTEE TOO.
AND THAT'S, MICHELLE TOLD ME YOU GUYS
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WERE ALREADY INDEPENDENTLY WORKING ON SOMETHING, BUT WE HAVE VDOT ATTENDING, SO WE HAVE ATTENTION TO THE ISSUE FUNDING AND MONEY.WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON HOW DO WE FUND THAT AND WHERE DO THESE BUSES COME FROM BECAUSE IT IS A PROBLEM.
WE HAVE GOOD, WE HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE PLAN SO WE CAN GET PEOPLE JOBS, BUT IT'S HARD.
WE GOTTA MAKE SURE WE CAN GET TO SUSTAIN THEM.
IF COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
UM, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO IM THREE B AMEND PREVIOUS APPROVED PROPERS FOR AWAN ESTATE
I'LL SEE, I BELIEVE THAT SIR IS HANDING OUT INFORMATION YOU ADVERTISE FOR THIS PUBLICATION.
DID YOU GET A VOTE? UH, YOU DON'T NEED A VOTE TO IS ANY, I I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO TAKE IT TO PUBLICATION.
UM, I THINK IF WE DIDN'T, WE WOULD'VE SAID WE NEED MORE INFORMATION.
READY VOTING REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROFFERS.
THESE PROFFERS WERE LAST CHANGED IN 2012.
AND THIS IS FOR THE WAN ESTATE.
AND IT IS, UM, THE ONLY P N D OR PLANNED NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT ZONING THAT WE HAVE HERE IN TOWN.
UH, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL OR THE EXISTING PROPOSAL IS FOR 450 DWELLING UNITS.
THOSE ARE A MIXTURE OF SINGLE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, WHICH IS YOUR TOWN HOMES AND THEN MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH
UM, AND THE DENSITY FOR THAT, THE EXISTING, UH, PROFFERS WOULD BE ABOUT 4.58 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
UH, AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CAP DENSITY AT SIX.
SO FOR THE CURRENT PROPERS, THEY'RE OKAY AS FAR AS DENSITY GOES.
AND AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF UNITS GO, THE NEW PROFFERS THAT ARE PROPOSED, THESE, THIS REDUCES THE NUMBER OF TOTAL UNITS FROM 450 DOWN TO 335.
THEY HAVE REMOVED THE MULTIFAMILY.
SO THIS WILL JUST BE, UH, I THINK IT'S 165 SINGLE FAMILY AND LIKE 175 MULTIFAMILY OR THE TOWN HOMES.
UM, AND THEY HAVE REDUCED THE, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A REDUCTION IN LOT SIZE OR DID THAT CHANGE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL? OKAY, IT'S BACK TO THE ORIGINAL.
THE ORIGINAL, THERE'S NO LONGER A REDUCTION IN LOT SIZE.
UM, AND THE MONETARY CHANGES ARE BASED ON, UM, THE DEDICATED DEDICATION OF LE LAND FOR LEECH FRONT PARKWAY AND THEN DEDICATION OF PARK.
SO THE ORIGINAL PROFFERS I THINK WERE, UM, FOR 11,000 PER, UM, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT FOR THE FIRST 335 HOMES, OR SORRY, THAT WAS 18,000 FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND THEN 11,000 FOR TOWN HOMES AND 9,000 PER, FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING UNIT.
AGAIN, THE 9,000 UM, COMES OFF.
SO WITH THE CREDITS, THE NEW PROFFER AMOUNT IS THE, UM, 6,000 FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND THEN 79 FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY.
UM, 79, EXCUSE ME, SORRY, 7,900 FOR THE, THE SIX, 6,000 FOR SINGLE FAMILY UNIT 79 ATTACHED.
THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, I THINK IT'S SIX 6,000 339 72 YEAH.
FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED.
AND THEN THE 79, 10 36 FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A CREDIT IN THERE OF 1040 $1 AND 33 CENT FOR THE DEDICATION OF LAND THEY GAVE.
SO YOU GET A PER UNIT PRICE OF, UH, 6,000 869 0 3.
AND THAT IS FOR THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.
UM, THEY ARE DEDICATING THE BARK.
UM, AND SO THAT CREDIT IS 1,044 AND THEY'RE OFFERING 42 47 99 FOR DWELLING UNIT FOR A TOTAL OF $3,203 AND 21 CENTS TO WARREN COUNTY ALL.
SO THE TOTAL, SEE, LEMME JUMP AROUND HERE.
THE TOTAL AMOUNT PROFFER TO WARREN COUNTY LOOKS TO BE I THINK 1 MILLION, UH, 1,073,000 AND THEN TO THE TOWN CAN BE 1.9
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MILLIONS A LOT.IT'S IN YOUR, I KNOW IT'S IN HERE, BUT IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL OVER.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM GREENWAY IS HERE AND GREENWAY IS THE GROUP THAT PERFORMED THE FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS AND THEY GOT THEIR NUMBERS FROM THE COUNTY AND THEN KIND OF, UH, WENT THROUGH INTO THE CALCULATIONS, WHICH YOU SHOULD ALSO HAVE.
SO I CAN TAKE QUESTIONS FOR THAT OR GREENWAY, WHEN THAT IMPACT STUDY WAS FROM SEPTEMBER OF 2022.
I JUST, I JUST SAID FIRST, DO YOU WANNA JUMP IN FIRST? WELL, SINCE I WAS LAST, LAST TIME,
UM, I JUST QUESTIONED THE, UM, UH, I, I I, I THINK THERE WAS A MAP ERROR ON THE, UH, THE CREDIT FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION ON THE 2.343 PAPERS.
UM, AND I CAME UP WITH, UH, CREDIT OF $699 AND 40 CENTS.
SO I SENT THIS INFORMATION OVER TO GREENWAY AND YOU CAME UP WITH A NUMBER OF FOUR GREENWAY.
UM, WE DID REDO THAT CALCULATION AND YOU WERE CORRECT.
WE DID, WE DID MESS UP COUNT
UM, THAT WOULD BE AN INCREASED AMOUNT OF $341 AND 93 CENTS PER CREDIT OR PER UNIT.
WITH THAT BE SAID, YES, IT'S A MATHEMATICAL ERROR.
MADAM MAYOR, WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE AND GET IT DONE BEFORE THE PUBLIC AIR.
AMEND THE PROPER AS THE PROPERS THAT'S GOING.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BEFORE WE ADVERTISE IT.
NOW WE COULDN'T ADVERTISE ADVERTISEMENT THE MEETING, I BELIEVE AND ANYTIME BEFORE THE MEETING.
RIGHT? I I DON'T HAVE THE STATUTE IN FRONT OF ME.
BUT WE CAN GET IT DONE IN A COUPLE DAYS.
I MEAN, I'LL LOOK AT IT IF IT'S PROBLEM I'LL CERTAINLY COUNCIL, BUT WELL, WE'RE STILL IN DISCUSSIONS.
WE'RE BRUCE, DO YOU WANT TO, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? I HAD JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION, AARON.
IT INVOLVED THE, UH, THE, THE CALCULATION ON THE, NOT SO MUCH THE CALCULATION, BUT HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE, UM, THE NUMBER OF PROJECTED STUDENTS IS, UH, IT, IT SEEMS THAT IT, IT APPEARS THAT IT, IT FOCUSED ON, UM, UH, SINGLE FAMILY A ATTACHED AS OPPOSED, AND IT EXCLUDED THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
UH, SO IT WENT DOWN, WENT FROM 63 DOWN TO 37.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A COMMUNITY, UH, THIS IS MY THOUGHT PROCESS.
WE'RE, WE'RE IN A COMMUNITY WHERE, UH, WE SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF THE KIDS, UM, AND UH, AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY, UH, PART OF, UM, TOWN HOMES OR, UH, DUPLEXES, UH, OR VILLAS FOR THAT MATTER.
SO, UH, I WAS JUST INQUIRING ABOUT THAT AS TO WHAT THE LOT LAUNCH WAS.
I THINK WE CAN ANSWER, I THINK, I THINK WE'LL WAS THAT PART OF WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR, MARI MARISA? MARISSA, YES.
IS IT MARISSA OR MARI? MARISSA.
SO THE, THE PROJECTED NUMBER OF THE 38 OR 37 STUDENTS IS BASED OFF OF THE ACTUAL STUDENTS OR THE ACTUAL PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE REZONED.
IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT CALCULATION.
IT'S ANYTHING THAT'S BEYOND THAT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE 37 COMES FROM.
CUZ WE CAN'T BY LAW INCLUDE ANYTHING THAT'S VIBRATE INTO THE PROFFERS.
THEY HAVE 171 UNITS THAT ARE BY RIGHT, RIGHT.
ISN'T THAT WHAT THE CODE SAYS? RIGHT? YES, YES, YES.
SO YOU'RE SAYING, UH, WELL WE REALLY CAN'T REQUIRE ANY
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RIGHT.BUT, BUT SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS 37 WOULD BE ABOVE WHAT WOULD BE THE BUY RATE NUMBER? YES.
HUNDRED AND 71, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? HUNDRED HUNDRED 71 71 BY RATE.
THE PROJECTED NUMBER OF STUDENTS WOULD BE 37 IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE HUNDRED AND 71 HOMES THAT COULD POS THAT DEPENDING ON HOW MANY CHILDREN THEY WOULD'VE IN THEIR HOME.
I'M GONNA GO AROUND AND GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS AND I'LL HAVE SOME TOO.
BUT MR. UH, OR COUNCILMAN ROGERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, IF NOT, NOW I CAN COME BACK AROUND, GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO THANK NO, I DON'T, I, UH, THERE'S JUST LUMINOUS INFORMATION TO DIGEST OVER LOTS OF YEARS.
I COULD SHARE SOME, MAYBE I CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE CONDENSED FOR MR. ROGERS.
AND I DO AGREE WITH YOU THIS, I'M RON LOWEN, I'M THE MANAGING MEMBER OF THE PROP OF THIS PROPERTY AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN IT SINCE PROBABLY 2003.
UM, WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THIS BEFORE WHEN BROOK HILL HOMES WAS UNDER CONTRACT WITH US.
AND ESSENTIALLY WHEN, WHEN SWAN FARM CAME ABOUT, IT WAS THROUGH THE DESIRE THAT THE COUNTY THEN EVEN WAS SUFFERING WITH HOUSING, SUITABLE HOUSING, UH, FOR PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE AREA, WELL, FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO BUY A NICE HOME IN A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
AND AT THE TIME, PLANNED NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENTS WERE HAPPENING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY FRONT ROYAL AND FRONT ROYAL DID NOT HAVE ANY PLAN AT ALL AT THAT TIME.
SO AT THE TIME I ENGAGED IN ENGINEERS TO WORK WITH THE TOWN TO CREATE A P AND D.
AND, AND JUST IN SHORT, THE ADVANTAGE OF A P AND D IS UNLIKE WHAT FRONT RAILING HAS BEEN THROUGH OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS.
ALMOST EVERYTHING WE'VE SEEN DEVELOPED IN FRONT ROYAL HAS BEEN INFILL.
AND WITHIN INFILL, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER HOW THE STREET IS DESIGNED, WHETHER YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE HERE OR AN EXIT THERE, YOU'RE BASICALLY JUST PATCHING IN WHERE THERE'S VACANT LOTS.
AND YOU'LL NOTICE WITH THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, WE'VE GOT THREE POTENTIAL ENTRANCE POINTS AND WE'VE GOT ONE COMING ON TO WESTMINSTER TO AID THE SCHOOLS, WHICH BY THE WAY, THAT LAND WAS, UH, PROVIDED BY THE, UH, SCHOOL BOARD FOR US WITH A FLOATING EASEMENT TO PUT A CONNECTOR TO THE SCHOOL, TO THE HIGH SCHOOL AND AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO CONNECT THAT TO LEACH'S RUN PARKWAY.
AND, AND THE SCHEME AND THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT WAS THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAD JUST BEEN THROUGH A BOMB SCARE.
AND WHAT THEY REALIZED IS THEY DID NOT HAVE A ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE EXIT IN AND OUT OF THE SCHOOL.
AND WHEN THAT HAPPENED, THE KIDS WERE FORCED TO BE LOCKED DOWN IN THE FACILITY CUZ IT COULDN'T GET 'EM OUT, WHY THIS BOMB THREAT WAS GOING ON.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM SAW A WAY TO DO TWO THINGS.
ONE PROVIDED THE SAFETY FOR THE CHILDREN AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND NOW THE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND SECONDARILY, AT THAT TIME, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE NUMBERS AVAILABLE NOW, THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF STUDENTS WHO WERE GOING TO BE GOING TO THAT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND TO THAT POTENTIAL HIGH SCHOOL THAT WERE BEING BUSED FROM THE OTHER END OF THE COUNTY.
AND THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD GET THERE WAS COME ALL THE WAY DOWN HAPPY CREEK ROAD, ALL THE WAY DOWN THE BYPASS COMING UP THROUGH, OFF OF 5 22 AND COME UP.
AND THE COST AND EXPENSE OF THAT WAS SUBSTANTIAL.
AND SO THE SCHOOL BOARD WAS ALL ON BOARD TO GET THESE OTHER ENTRANCES IN FROM THE EASTERN SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY TO CUT DOWN ON FUEL COSTS, TIME AND DELAY OF GETTING STUDENTS THERE.
AND THEY FELT IN ALL OVERALL, IT PROVIDED A SAFETY ASPECT TO WHAT WE HAD IN PLACE AT THE TIME.
SO I THINK THE THOUGHT PROCESS BY PUTTING A P AND D OUT THERE WAS THIS IS A CHANCE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE UPFRONT WHAT'S GOING ON.
THE LARGEST, CURRENTLY THE LARGEST DEVELOPMENT PARCEL IN FRONT ROYAL.
AND I FEEL VERY FORTUNATE THAT I HAVE BROUGHT THE COUNTY TWO BUILDERS, BOTH HAVE EXCELLENT REPUTATIONS.
YOU CAN ASK ANYONE IN VIRGINIA, BOTH BROOKFIELD AND VAN METER HAVE EXCELLENT REPUTATIONS.
I THINK I'VE BEEN TOLD, AND I'VE NOT SPOKEN WITH HIM, BUT YOUR OUTSIDE COUNCIL, UH, ASSISTING YOU ON THIS HAS HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WITH VAN METER AND HE SPEAKS HIGHLY OF THEM.
THAT'S HARD IN THIS INDUSTRY TO FIND A COMPANY THAT'S DEVELOPED A REPUTATION LIKE THIS.
I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH VAN METER FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
I'VE KNOWN 'EM WHEN I SERVED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN, IN PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY.
I'VE KNOWN THEM DOWN HERE AND I'VE DONE BUSINESS WITH 'EM BEFORE.
UM, THEY'RE AN EXCELLENT COMPANY AND FRONT ROYAL IS VERY, VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE A COMPANY OF THAT QUALITY STEP UP AND SAY, WE WANT TO BE THE ONES TO BUILD THIS.
I'M SORRY, THAT ROY BARNETT, WHO HAS BEEN WITH THEM ALL THAT TIME,
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UH, HE'S A SENIOR MANAGEMENT PERSON AND HE'S, HE'S A PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT PURCHASER FOR THEM.HE WAS AT OUR JANUARY MEETING AND PLANNED ON SPEAKING AND OF COURSE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
UNFORTUNATELY, HE LEFT ON A PRE-PLANNED TRIP OUT OF THE COUNTRY FOR ABOUT SIX WEEKS AND HE'S GONE RIGHT NOW.
SO YOU GET TO SEE ME INSTEAD OF ROY.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU HE IS PROBABLY, AND YOU CAN ASK ANYONE IN THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY, HE'S GOT A REPUTATION BEYOND REPROACH.
AND IN THIS INDUSTRY IT'S VERY, VERY HARD TO FIND.
AND I'M VERY THRILLED TO HAVE DAN METER CONSIDER FRONT ROYAL, UH, AS A POSSIBLE BUILDING SITE AND PROBABLY WILL BE THE LARGEST BUILDER IN IN FRONT ROYAL IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TELL YOU MORE ABOUT IT, BUT IN A NUTSHELL, IT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR A LONG TIME.
IT WAS A LOT OF PLANNING GOING INTO IT.
THE ENTRANCE COMING OFF OF OUR PROPERTY HAS ONE OF THE TWO DESIGNATED LIGHT SITES BY VDOT, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION THERE.
I'VE GOT A COPY OF THE, NOT THAT IT'S RELATIVE, BUT THERE IS A COMMERCIAL PART OF THIS PROJECT ON THE EAST SIDE OF LE'S RUN PARKWAY.
THERE HAS BEEN A SCHEMATIC, NONE OF THAT BY GREENWAY THAT SHOWS THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
WE ALSO, AGAIN, HAVE AN INTER PARCEL CONNECTOR WITH THE HOSPITAL.
AND THAT'S ALL IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING LONG TERM ARE THESE THINGS IN PLACE? THEY'RE IN PLACE.
AND I DON'T THINK WE COULD BE IN A BETTER POSITION THAN WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH ONE OF THE BEST COMPANIES IN THE INDUSTRY.
I'M HOPING THIS ECONOMY WON'T DIP TO THE POINT WE HAVE ISSUES, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS IS THE RIGHT COMPANY AT THE RIGHT TIME.
THANK YOU MR. THANK YOUR HONOR.
I, UH, COUNCILMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT.
I THINK THE, THE, THE PAPERWORK WAS WONDERFUL TO ME.
I'VE READ OVER IT A COUPLE TIMES.
UH, RON, THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING EVERYTHING SHORT TERM IN A NUTSHELL.
FORCE US, BUT YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
WELL, I GUESS I DO THE CONNECTOR ROADS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TO COME INTO WESTMINSTER MM-HMM.
UH, AND I GO BACK TO FIRE APPARATUS AGAIN TO GET THOSE THINGS IN AND OUT.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TWO WAYS IN, CORRECT? YES.
WE, WE WOULD HAVE 'EM COMING FROM, FROM BOTH, FROM BOTH SIDES OF IT.
IT, IT WAS PUT IN FOR THAT EXACT REASON AND IT'S IN THEIR PLANS TO, TO BUILD IT TO THE SPECIFICATIONS REQUIRED UNDER OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY AT THE TIME.
IT'S GONNA BE HANDLING ALL THE BUSES COMING IN? WELL, YEAH, THAT WOULD HANDLE BUSES IN AND OUT.
THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE FIRE EQUIPMENT.
AND THERE'S A THIRD CONNECTION TO HAPPY CREEK KNOWLES? YES.
THERE'S THREE THAT'LL BE A WIDE PUBLIC STREET.
IT'LL BE A PUBLIC STREET, WHEREVER YOUR STREET REQUIREMENTS ARE.
I THINK IT'LL BE ABOUT 36 FOOT WIDE PAVEMENT.
AND I THINK IT'S SIDEWALKS AND CURB GUIDEING, THE HOPE.
THEY PROPER SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY UP TO EACH OF THE SCHOOLS OUT OF THE COMMUNITY.
THEY WANT IT TO BE A WALKING DESTINATION FROM THERE TO THE SCHOOLS.
UM, BJ LAUREN SAID THIS MIGHT BE A YOU QUESTION CURRENTLY, AS IT STANDS, I BELIEVE THAT THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT THE TOWN AND COUNTY PAY A HUNDRED THOUSAND PER ACRE FOR THE LEACH RUN RIGHT AWAY.
IS THAT CORRECT? CAN ANYBODY ANSWER TO THAT? THAT ANSWER THAT'S IN THE PROPERTY? YES.
WE'VE ALREADY COVERED CORRECT.
SO I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY COVERED IT.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN COVERED ADEQUATELY IN MY OPINION.
I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
SO, UM, I'M JUST GONNA STATE THE OBVIOUS.
UM, I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, WITH MULTIPLE COUNSELS AND I WAS INVOLVED OUTSIDE OF COUNSEL BEFORE WHEN THIS HAS BEEN COMING UP.
UM, BUT THE, THE LAND WAS UNDEVELOPABLE WITHOUT LEACH RUN PARKWAY.
AND I GUESS THAT'S THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND UPON A TRUE STATEMENT, BY THE WAY, I'M SORRY.
AND THE BOMB THOUGHT WAS AFTER THIS ALSO I WAS, UM, IN THE SCHOOL FOR THAT PART AS WELL.
BUT IT IS NICE TO HAVE AN EXTRA ROAD.
SO, UM, CAN ANY, SO THE, SO THE PROFFERS AND IT DOES SAY THAT THE TOWN AND COUNTY ARE A HUNDRED THOUSAND PER ACRE FOR THE LECHER RUN RIGHT AWAY.
WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS FOR MANY YEARS.
ANYBODY ELSE CAN ASK THEIR QUESTIONS WHILE I'M PULLING THE REST OF MINE UP? IS ANYTHING, WELL, I HAVE KIND OF A STRANGE QUESTION.
UM, MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, ON PAPER IT LOOKS LIKE A BEAUTIFUL PLAN.
UM, WHO ENFORCES IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COMES TO FRUITION LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO? WELL, SO LIKE
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THE NEXT STEP AFTER THERE'S A DETERMINATION ON THIS, SAY IT IS APPROVED AND IT GOES THROUGH, THEY WOULD SUBMIT A SITE PLAN.STAFF WOULD REVIEW THAT SITE PLAN, I WOULD SEND IT OUT FOR REVIEW BY AN ENGINEER, THE COUNTY, UH, FIRE EMS. THEY WOULD REVIEW IT TO MAKE SURE THE ROADS ARE WIDE ENOUGH, PUBLIC WORKS, REVIEWS IT, ENERGY SERVICES, ALL OF THAT GETS REVIEWED.
IT DOESN'T GET APPROVED AND THEY DON'T GET ZONING APPROVAL OR ANY BUILDING PERMITS UNTIL THEY DO WHAT IS REQUIRED BY OUR ORDINANCES.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PROFFERS GO, THOSE GET RECORDED AT THE COURTHOUSE.
THEY'RE LEGALLY BOUND BY THOSE PROFFERS.
I CAN'T ISSUE ANY PERMITS UNTIL THEY, I THINK IT'S IN HERE THAT AFTER SO MANY, UM, UH, UNITS, THEY HAVE TO PAY A, A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
UM, BUT AFTER THE PERMIT, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT AFTER THE PLANNING PHASE, AFTER THE PERMIT PHASE, WHO GOES BACK IN AND CHECKS TO MAKE SURE, FOR INSTANCE, THAT YOU'VE GOT SOME OF THESE AMENITIES THAT THEY'RE BOASTING ABOUT NOW, I GUESS.
WELL, SO THEY CAN'T GET THEIR OCCUPANCY PERMITS.
WE'LL BE THERE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
SO PUBLIC WORKS WILL BE THERE DOING INSPECTIONS.
UM, THE TOWN WOULD BE, I BELIEVE, ACCEPTING THOSE ROADS, THEIR PUBLIC ROADS INTO OUR SYSTEM.
SO MAINTAIN THEM, STOP IF, AND THERE WOULD ALSO BE AN HOA THAT IN THE PROFFERS WILL BE ESTABLISHED TO MAINTAIN IT.
SO, UM, IT, IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER COMMUNITY OR NEIGHBORHOOD HERE IN TOWN.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A BOND THAT UPON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE WILL HAVE TO BE POSTED BY A DEVELOPER TO THE TOWN.
SO IF THE PARK DOESN'T GET BUILT, THAT BOND DOESN'T GET RELEASED AND THEY REALLY WANNA GET THOSE BONDS RELEASED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE WILL TAKE THEIR MONEY AND WE WILL HOLD IT.
IF THEY DO NOT DO THE IMPROVEMENTS, WE WILL KEEP IT AND, AND DO IT AND BUILT THE PARK OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
I, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I, I TOURED THE, UH, THE VAN METER DEVELOPMENT IN, UH, MARSHALL AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE TOWN HOMES, THEY LOOKED VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONES THAT I SAW IN MARSHALL.
THE STREETS WERE WIDE, UH, SIDEWALKS, UH, HAD LIKE A LITTLE PLACE CENTER FOR KIDS AND THERE WAS LIKE A DRAIN POND IN THERE.
UH, BIG WILL THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BE SIMILAR TO, SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THAT.
THEY'RE MORE SIMILAR IN NATURE TO WHAT'S OVER IN LAKE FREDERICK.
LAKE FREDERICK HAS A SIMILAR, UH, SINGLE FAMILY MODEL THAT THEY DID.
IT'S FUNNY YOU MENTIONED THAT PROJECT.
THEY DECIDED TO DO WARRENTON BEFORE THEY DID A MARSHALL BEFORE THEY DID US.
AND THE, WE WERE IN NEGOTIATION WITH 'EM TO SIGN THE CONTRACT AT THAT TIME.
AND TRUST ME, THEY REALLY REGRET DOING THAT ONE FIRST.
THEY HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH WATER.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY THAT WAS, WAS NECESSARY AND THEY HAD TO GO BACK AND PUT A LOT OF CAPACITY INTO THAT PROJECT, MAKE IT WORK.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA INTERJECT, UH, AMBERS, UM, AND HER QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK WHERE THE PART THAT I KEEP ASKING MYSELF IS THAT, SO THE PROFFERS FROM BEFORE WERE OBVIOUSLY MORE, UM, FINANCIALLY BENEFICIAL FOR, UM, FOR THE AREA AND SO THE NEW PROFFERS WOULD BE LESS, RIGHT? IS THAT, IS THAT HOW I'M UNDERSTANDING IT? RIGHT? YES.
SO, UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S MY THING IS LIKE I I JUST IN MY HEAD, I THINK, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY ACTUALLY THE, THE, THE PROFFERS WOULD BE LESS THAN WHAT THEY WERE BEFORE AND NOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S IN WHICH IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN BEFORE.
UM, AND SO, AND, AND I KNOW THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT UM, THAT THAT NUMBER IS DETERMINED FOR THE EASEMENT.
FOR THE LEERO PARKWAY, THAT NUMBER WAS DETERMINED BY GREENWAY.
LIKE WHO DETERMINED WHAT THE VALUE OF THAT WAS FOR THAT EASEMENT.
I BELIEVE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IN GREENWAY KIND OF WORKED OUT WHAT THEIR PROPERTY WAS VALUED AT AND THEN THEY DID THE CALCULATION BASED ON, IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT THAT IS CORRECT.
I THINK ALSO YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER MAYOR, THAT THE LAWS CHANGED IN 2017.
AND ALSO, I WILL TELL YOU, WHEN WE ESTABLISHED THE FIRST PROFFERS WITH BROOKFIELD, THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS A PROPER ANALYSIS.
I DIDN'T KNOW ANYONE DOING SUCH THING AS A PROPER ANALYSIS.
AND IT WAS MORE OF THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN
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GET IN FREDERICK.AND RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'VE DONE THROUGH HAVING AN, UH, EXPERT DO THE PROPER ANALYSIS, AND BY THE WAY, IT WASN'T EASY FINDING SOMEONE TO DO THAT.
THERE ARE VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT PERFORM PROPER ANALYSIS, BUT WE DID FIND THAT GREENWAY WOULD DO ONE.
BUT WHAT THEY LOOK AT NOW IS WHAT IS IT WORTH UNDER TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT AND WHAT IS THE COST ASSOCIATED THAT TO THE COMMUNITY AND HOW DO DO WE OFFSET IT? AND IT IS LESS, AND THERE'S NO QUESTION IT'S LESS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S ALSO THE GUARANTEES UPFRONT THAT THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN.
YOU'RE GETTING BONDED FOR EVERYTHING.
SO CONSEQUENTLY WHAT WE TELL YOU IS GONNA HAPPEN IS GONNA HAPPEN IS, AND IT'S A SAFER AVENUE TO TAKE.
AND I, AND I KNOW, UH, ABOUT THE 2017 IS WHEN YOU'RE RIGHT, THE, I BELIEVE WAS THE CODE CHANGED, BUT BUT IT'S NOT RETROACTIVE, RIGHT? LIKE MEANING LIKE 2017 THIS WAS WHAT YOU COULD, WHAT COULD HAPPEN WITH THE PROPERS, BUT IF IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED IN 2012, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK THEN AND CHANGE THOSE, RIGHT? MY YOU HAVE TO CORRECT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO OUR IMPACTS TODAY RIGHT.
ARE BECAUSE BACK IN 2012, NO ONE KNEW HOW MUCH LEECH RUN PARKWAY WAS GONNA COST, RIGHT? WE DO NOW.
AND UM, BACK IN 2012, EVERYBODY THOUGHT THAT THE TOWN WAS GONNA HAVE TO PAY 100% OF THE IMPACT OR THE DEVELOPER OR YOU KNOW, WHOEVER USED IT.
VDOT CAME UP WITH MATCHING FUNDS.
AND I, I'M JUST GOING THROUGH, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU KNOW ALL THIS, STOP ME, UH, MADAME, UH, IT'S GOOD FOR OTHERS HERE TOO.
UH, UH, THAT VDOT HAD A MATCH AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER.
UM, LET'S CALL IT LIKE 14,000,015 SOMEBODY FIGURES RUNNING THROUGH MY HEAD.
RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHICH 15 MILLION ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LE RUN LE RUN? YEAH.
SO, UM, THE TOWN ONLY HAD TO COME UP WITH HALF THAT MONEY, THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY, CUZ I THINK IT WAS A JOINT PROJECT.
SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION INSTEAD OF THE WHOLE 15 MILLION.
SO THAT BROUGHT DOWN THE COST OF LE RUN PARKWAY TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT GOT MATCHING FUNDS FROM VDOT.
PARDON? YOU SAID DID WE WERE JUST PEOPLE, THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON WITH ME.
THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER, THAT'S A WHOLE NUMBER.
WHEN YOU READ THIS SECTION THAT I HAVE PULLED UP OF THE ORIGINAL PROFFERS THAT WE'VE DECIDED TO CHANGE.
SO, UM, SO WE KNOW WHAT THE COST IS.
GREENWAY DID THE ANALYSIS TO SAY, OKAY, WITH THE NUMBER OF TRIPS PER DAY GENERATED BY THIS PROJECT, OKAY, YOU GOT A, A COST PER TRIP MULTIPLIED BY HOW MANY TRIPS PER DAY A TOWNHOUSE GENERATES OR A, A SINGLE FAMILY GENERATES.
AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE NEW NUMBER.
SO IT'S REAL, A NEW NUMBER IMPACT FROM TRIPS ON THE LEAD TRUCK, EACH ONE PARKWAY.
SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE IMPACTS, RIGHT? THAT'S ONE OF THE IMPACTS AND RIGHT.
WE HAVE ALL SET THOSE WITH THE PROPER NUMBER WE PROPOSED.
BUT THEN ALSO THERE'S A CREDIT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION AND THAT'S, THAT'S PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE STATUTE.
IT ALSO INCLUDED THAT INTEREST.
THAT WAS PART OF MY QUESTION AND THE SCHOOL THING, YOU KNOW, I, THERE'S NOTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT IT.
STATE COMES UP WITH THEIR OWN LITTLE THINGS, BUT I, YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE NUMBERS THAT WE GOT, WE PULLED FROM I KNOW THE SCHOOL.
I KNOW AND, AND, AND I STRUGGLE WITH THAT.
I STRUGGLE WITH THOSE NUMBERS.
I KNOW SOMEBODY'S GIVING 'EM TO YOU.
I JUST, I JUST REALLY, I JUST, UH, JUST BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, UM, 171 HOMES, BUT THOSE DON'T COUNT.
IT WAS THE ONLY, THE ONLY SCHOOL THAT WAS OVER IMPACT WAS THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
SO THE FUNDS ARE GOING TOWARDS THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, RIGHT.
IS THE OTHER PART OF IT THAT MAKES THAT NUMBER NOT LOOK SO BIG.
AND AGAIN, BACK IN 2012, WE HADN'T BUILT PAST SCHOOL YET.
WELL ALSO YOU HADN'T BUILT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL EITHER.
SO IF WE HADN'T BUILT THE HIGH SCHOOL, THE PROPERS WOULD'VE BEEN HIGHER BECAUSE THEY WERE OVER CAPACITY AS WELL.
THAT WAS A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR SCHOOL AND, AND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT, BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE, WHO KNOWS WHERE THE LINES WOULD BE DRAWN, BUT IF THAT, THAT DEVELOPMENT BORDERS, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THOSE CHILDREN CURRENTLY GO TO L F K, EVEN THOUGH, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BY THE WAY THE CROW FLIES, IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO TO HILDA J UM, AND LF K'S CURRENTLY, UH, INVOLVED WITH A $12 MILLION RENOVATION BECAUSE THEY DON'T
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HAVE ROOM THERE FOR ALL THE KIDS THERE.SO ANYWAY, I I, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT EVERYBODY HERE IS, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS THEIR, WHO THEY'RE REPRESENTING.
I JUST, I LOOK AT MY JOB IS TO REPRESENT THE CITIZENS OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS, THAT THIS IS BENEFICIAL TO THEM.
I KNOW WHAT MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, I ASKED THIS BEFORE TO SOMEBODY ELSE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, THESE HOMES, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE, UH, COST OF THE HOMES WOULD BE LIKE? SINGLE FAMILY.
UH, SO IT'S SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
SO DO YOU HAVE IT? THE EASIEST WAY TO SAY IS THEY, THEY WANT TO BUILD AND ARRANGE THAT THIS AREA CAN AFFORD.
I THINK THE STARTING POINT FOR THE SINGLE FAMILIES IS AROUND THREE 50, BUT THEY ALSO ALLOW EXTRA ADD-ONS WHICH WILL PUSH THE HOUSES.
IF YOU ADD ON THE OTHER FIREPLACES AND OTHER THINGS LIKE REMODELS OF THE BASEMENT, THEY SAY THAT GENERALLY THEY'RE, THEY EXPECT TO FINISH UP CLOSER TO 400,000 THAN YOU ARE AT THREE 50.
BUT THAT, THAT'S AN ESTIMATE BASED ON WHAT THEY DO IN OTHER PLACES.
I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THE TOWN HO TOWNHOMES WILL PRO PROBABLY BE IN THE MID TO HIGH 200 S TO START AND FINISH UP PROBABLY IN THE LOW THREE S.
AND OF, OF COURSE THAT'S ALL BASED ON THE ECONOMY GUYS, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHO KNOWS? THE ECONOMY'S NOT GREAT RIGHT NOW, SO THE ONLY HAS CAUSE THE HOUSING MARKET AROUND HERE.
AND THAT, AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW WHY I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION CUZ YOU'RE RIGHT, HOUSING IS AN ISSUE.
I JUST WORRY CUZ OTHER PEOPLE HAVE COME IN AND SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY, SOME OF THE PRICES THAT THEY'VE QUOTED, MY FEAR IS THAT PEOPLE IN IN OUR AREA, UH, WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT.
SO THAT'S WHY I ASK ABOUT THE COST OF IT.
UM, THE NUMBERS ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN, UH, YEAH, WELL, WELL SMALL ARE MUCH MORE, YEAH.
FOG'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT YEAH, THERE'S A HUGE, YEAH, HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE REAL ESTATE TAX.
UM, SO TWO THINGS IN THE ORIGINAL PROFFERS FROM 2012, WHICH CONVENIENTLY THE LEGISLATION DID CHANGE IN 2017, BUT IT SAYS THAT IF LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENTITIES TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT THE LE RUN PARKWAY, INSTEAD OF REQUIRING HEP HABITAT TO BUILD THE PORTION ON ITS OWN PROPERTY, HEP HABITAT WOULD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CASH PROFFERS TO THE TOWN.
A QUOTE FROM PAGE EIGHT OF THE 2012 PROFFER SAYS, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT SHALL REMAIN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PAYMENT OF THE CASH PROFFERS SET FORTH.
SO WITH ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, UH, MR. SALAK HAS PREVIOUSLY GIVEN TWO REASONS FOR REQUESTING A REDUCTION FROM THE 2012 PROFFERS THAT WERE INITIALLY MADE.
THE FIRST WAS THAT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS IS BEING REDUCED, BUT THE PROFFERS ARE A PER UNIT AMOUNT.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD REDUCE THAT.
FURTHERMORE, IF THIS COUNCIL IS GONNA BE IN FAVOR OF REDUCING THE CASH PROFFERS, THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE TOWN AND COUNTY PAY 100,000 PER ACRE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS SIX ACRES FOR THE LEECH RUN RIGHT AWAY, UM, AND THEN A PARK THAT THE COUNTY'S GONNA HAVE TO MAINTAIN, WHICH WE'LL PAY FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN, THEN I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW THAT THE TOWN IS GIVING UP A LOT IN THAT REGARD.
UH, SO IF WE'RE GONNA REDUCE THE CASH PROFFERS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THOSE SIX ACRES COULDN'T BE A DONATION.
UH, THE TOWN IS EXPECTED TO PAY THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND PER ACRE, UM, AND THAT ROAD, AGAIN ALLOWED HEP HABITAT TO BE ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED.
SO, SOMETHING FOR THIS COUNCIL TO THINK OF.
IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THROUGH THE 2012 PROFFERS, I KNOW WE'VE PREACHED IT MANY, MANY TIMES SITTING HERE.
UM, BUT TO COMPARE THE TWO, I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T REQUIRE PROFFERS TO BE MADE.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND THE INVOLVEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY, THESE ARE JUST THINGS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE'VE, WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS WITH MULTIPLE DEVELOPMENTS CURRENTLY.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HERE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, SO PROBABLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS, UM, WE JUST NEED TO, UH, GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF, UH, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA DO THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MONTH, AUGUST THE 24TH.
RIGHT? SO IF WE'RE READY TO, UM, ARE WE READY TO, WELL, WE DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING APRIL 24TH.
UM, WHY WOULDN'T WE SPOT? WELL, WE COULD HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WHY WOULDN'T WE? I'M JUST SAYING IF EVERYBODY HASN'T READ THROUGH BOTH PROFFERS AND COMPARED BOTH THEM, WE, THERE WERE QUESTIONS FROM THIS VERY COUNCIL THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD ASKED, BUT STAFF DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GET TOGETHER FOR US WAS, UM, LIKE, ALMOST LIKE A, LIKE A COMPARING BEFORE AND AFTER, YOU
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KNOW.UM, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, WE CAN HOLD PUBLIC HEARING ON APRIL 24TH IF EVERYBODY'S READY TO GO.
JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE, UM, BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY'S STILL, UM, LEARN THIS PROCESS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ACTION THAT NIGHT THAT WE CAN HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE CAN, IF, IF THE PUBLIC COMES UP WITH MORE QUESTIONS, UM, THEN WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BRING IT BACK FOR, WE ONLY HAVE ONE READING AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT WOULD BE A REASON TO DELAY.
IF YOU HAVE NEWFOUND INFORMATION THAT'S BROUGHT FORWARD DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT NIGHT, WE CAN EITHER DELAY ACTION OR THAT'S, AND PEOPLE CAN STILL ASK QUESTIONS NOW TOO, BETWEEN NOW AND THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WE CAN ASK STAFF, STAFF CAN GET WITH THEM.
WE, YEAH, THAT WAS A, WE GET PRESENTED INFORMATION AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TAKE ACTION NOWADAYS.
SO ON THE SIDE, THAT WAS THE OTHER THING I TALKED TO YOU GUYS ABOUT IN JANUARY THAT I WONDERED IF WE SHOULDN'T GO BACK TO, UH, TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON ANY ISSUE.
CUZ IT IS CHALLENGING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, THEN YOU'VE GOTTA MAKE A DECISION IN FIVE MINUTES WHEN PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT YOU INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN'T CONFIRM OR, UH, CONFIRM OR, UM, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH.
ANYWAY, POINT COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE PARK, THE NEIGHBORHOODS PARK MM-HMM.
IS THAT, IS THAT, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
IS THAT, YOUR HONOR, THE PARK WOULD STILL BE BUILT YES.
IF THE COUNTY DID NOT WANT HOA.
IF, IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T WANT TO TAKE IT OVER, IF THE HOA WOULD CARE, CARE FOR IT.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I READ, AND I I DO IN CASE ANYBODY WASN'T AWARE OF THIS.
SO THE COUNTY IS, THE COUNTY HAS LOOKED OVER ALL OF THIS AS WELL, RIGHT? YEAH.
I, I, I'VE SHARED THIS BEFORE.
WHAT I'VE, I STRUGGLE SOMETIMES THAT WE, WE ARE MAKING DECISIONS, UM, THAT ALSO IMPACT THE COUNTY.
LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SCHOOLS, RIGHT? LIKE, I MEAN, THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE ANY, UM, ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.
SO I'M ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL, MY, MY THOUGHT IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE GOOD WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE TAKING ON RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM.
WE'RE TAKING ON, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY BY, BY, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING 200 MORE STUDENTS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM THAT COST $616,000 A YEAR TO EDUCATE.
AND WE'RE, SO I'M GLAD THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THIS AND IS AWARE OF ALL THIS.
THEY JUST DON'T GET A SAY IN IT.
WELL, THEY GET A SAY AT THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THEY COME GRAB, WELL, COUNTY CITIZENS COULD SHOW, BUT NOT COUNTY STAFF.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, WELL PLACE THE COUNTY BOARD IN OUR SCHOOL BOARD BUDGET.
SO EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH TAKING THEM TO PUBLIC HEARING ON AUGUST? APRIL 24TH.
I THINK THEY WAIT LONG ENOUGH.
WELL, TO BE SO FAIR, THE TOWN WAITED A LONG TIME TOO.
WE EXTENDED THIS PLAN EVERY YEAR FOR 10 YEARS.
SO THERE'S BEEN PATIENTS ON BOTH SIDES.
SO TINA, TWO ITEMS THAT ARE GONNA BE PLAYED FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT NIGHT, PLAN FOR A LONG NIGHT, GIRLS AND BOYS.
UM, AND THEN NUMBER FOUR IS THE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION'S, NOT SIX ACRES.
IT'S 2.43 ACRES WITH THE PARK INCLUDED AT SIX, CORRECT.
BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, WE WERE TALKING, TALKING ABOUT SIX POINT PARKWAY, THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF LAND THAT THE TOWN WOULD BE GIVING UP IN TOTAL BETWEEN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THE PARK IS SIX ACRES, I BELIEVE.
IS THAT CORRECT? SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE.
I DIDN'T HEAR, WE DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION.
SO YEAH, YOU'RE GETTING FOUR IN THE, YOU GET FOUR FROM THE PARK, CORRECT.
WHICH WILL, IF, IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T WANT IT, IT'S AN HOA PLUS THEY HAVE IT RIGHT.
I'M JUST SPEAKING IN REGARDS TO THE TOWN LAND OVER TWO, WHATEVER IT WAS.
AND WE DONATED THE ENTRANCE TO THAT AT NO, AT NO COST TO THE TOWN AS WELL.
IS THE WAIVER REQUEST FOR 7 0 9 AND SEVEN 11 CROSBY ROAD.
UH, JASON SMITH, CHRISTINE, AND, YEP.
THE, UH, BELIEVE IT'S THE DEVELOPER HAS, UM, REQUESTED A CURB GUTTER WAIVER.
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THEY'RE DEVELOPING TWO OR TWO DUPLEXES, UH, LOCATED AT 7 0 9 7-ELEVEN CROSBY ROAD.THERE'S CURRENTLY NO CARBON GUTTER ON THIS STREET.
UM, AND THIS PROPERTY IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODWAY AND THE FLOOD ZONE.
IT'S ACROSS THE STREET, BUT IT DOESN'T TOUCH THEM.
UM, AND AT THIS POINT, OUR, I MEAN, OUR CODE PERMITS THIS WAIVER AS LONG AS COUNCIL APPROVES IT, UM, DOWN THE ROAD, UH, I BELIEVE WHEN I SPOKE TO PUBLIC WORKS, THIS IS NOT IN THE FIVE YEAR PAVING PLAN TO PUT CURB AND GUTTER ON PROPERTY.
SO AT THIS TIME, THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY PROPERTY WITH CURB AND GUTTER ON THIS STREET.
SO IT'S REAL SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DEALT WITH, UH, WITH THE HABITAT PROPERTY AND, AND WHAT WE HAVE.
THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE, YEAH.
UM, DIFFERENCE IN THAT HABITAT AND, AND ANYWAY, THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
I, I WENT, BEFORE WE START TO TALK ABOUT THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, THIS SPOKE TO ME WHEN I FIRST SAW IT IS, IS THAT WITHIN TWO MONTHS, WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO WAIVE CURB AND GUTTER, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THE LAST TIME WHEN THIS CAME UP, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LAST TIME WHEN THIS CAME UP, THERE WAS LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT MM-HMM.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK TO MYSELF IS, AND, AND THIS IS IN NO, NO WAY, REFLECTIVE ON THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST.
THIS COULD BE ANY REQUEST THAT WE GET THAT I JUST KEEP THINKING TO MYSELF, IF, YOU KNOW, IF, IF EVERY TIME SOMETHING COMES UP, WE'RE GONNA WAIVE IT.
THEN WE, WHY DO WE HAVE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE? AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD BE
BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN VERSUS A SINGLE PERSON THAT'S GONNA BUILD A HOUSE OR BUILD A HOME.
NOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I UNDERSTOOD THE LAST TIME WITH HABITAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW, AMBER SAID IT BEST.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE ONE YOU WANNA START WITH OR WHATEVER, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN SOME WAYS, I, I ALMOST WONDER WHY WE EVEN HAVE THAT IN OUR, YOU KNOW, ORDINANCES TO ASK FOR A WAIVER.
I MEAN, SOME DAYS I ALMOST FEEL LIKE SAYING THAT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE IT, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE THERE.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GET IN A POSITION WHERE WE WERE PICKING, WELL, THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS PROJECT IS A GOOD IDEA.
THIS PROJECT ISN'T A GOOD IDEA.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
ONE OF THE THINGS, AND THE REASON I MADE THE POINT, IT'S VERY SIMILAR.
THERE MAY BE, THERE MAY BE GRADING DIFFERENCES, THERE MAY BE A NUMBER OF, OF, OF DIFFERENCES, UH, TO COMPARE THE TWO.
HOWEVER, IT'S AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THERE'S NO COOK URBAN GUTTERS.
THAT'S THE SIMILARITY TO ME NOW, RIGHT.
IS IT, IS IT THIS COUNCIL'S CHOICE TO ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ENFORCING CURBS ON EVERYONE NOW AS WE GO FORWARD? I THINK THAT'S A RISKY PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD ON.
UM, SO, SO WHO, SO, SO YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
AND THAT, THAT'S, I MEAN, AND I, I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE REINFORCING.
BUT HERE'S THE OTHER PART THAT I THINK IN MY HEAD.
SO LET'S SAY, I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN, RIGHT? I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH CROSBY, RIGHT.
ONLY CAUSE, YOU KNOW, GROWING UP HERE, UM, BUT LET'S SAY 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THE TOWN COMES IN, SAYS, OKAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA PUT CURB AND GUTTER ON THERE BECAUSE HE'S PAYING FOR IT.
EVERYBODY SENDS THIS, WELL, NOT EVERYBODY, BUT ANYBODY'S THE TOWN.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE POINT POINT THAT WE'RE MAKING.
AS IT IS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO POINT HOLD IT ON THIS.
AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S THERE TO ENFORCE IT SO THAT IT, THAT THE COST, THE BURDEN DOESN'T FALL BACK ON THE TAXPAYER TO PUT THESE IN, BUT RATHER WHOEVER IT IS THAT'S BUILDING IT OR SELLING IT, OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, UM, WHAT MY, AND THIS IT'S COUNSEL'S CHOICE, WHAT THEY WANNA DO HERE.
THIS IS, UH, ALMOST WHAT I WOULD CALL A SIDE NOTE, UH, IS THAT IT MAKES ME THINK THE FACT THAT THIS WHOLE IDEA OF WAIVERS, LIKE I ALMOST, I ALMOST WISH THAT COUNSEL YOU ALL DID NOT GET PUT IN THE POSITION WHERE YOU'RE DECIDING WHEN TO APPROVE A WAIVER OR NOT.
LIKE I, I FEEL LIKE THAT IF WE ARE GONNA SAY THIS IS HOW IT'S GONNA BE DONE, THEN IT SHOULDN'T BE WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE THIS WAY FOR THIS, THIS WAY, FOR THAT IT
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SHOULD BE EITHER WE DON'T OFFER A WAIVER AT ALL, OR WE DON'T ENFORCE IT.AND I, I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THE LATTER.
I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW COUNCILMAN RAPAPORT, YOU KNOW, THE, THESE WERE CONCERNS YOU HAD BEFORE.
AND I, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAD, YOU MADE GOOD POINTS THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT SITUATION MIGHT HAVE BEEN DIFFERENTLY.
LIKE WE ALL UNDERSTAND WITH THE GRADES.
SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT WAS A BAD DECISION.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT HERE WE ARE AGAIN.
AND I THINK EVEN SINCE YOU ALL BEEN ON COUNCIL, I'M PRETTY SURE THIS MIGHT BE THE THIRD.
THIS MIGHT BE, THIS IS NUMBER.
WELL, THERE MUST HAVE BEEN ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THIS COUNCIL TOOK OVER.
I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING THIS ISN'T JUST A NEW THING.
AND SO WE HAD SOME PEOPLE REQUESTING WAIVERS AND, AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, NOBODY WANTS TO BE THE ONE THAT SAYS, NO, NOT THIS ONE.
SO YOU SAID THERE WAS FIVE LAST YEAR MM-HMM.
SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS, HOLD ON.
HOW MANY ON THE ROAD THAT HABITAT WAS ON.
SO IN DIFFERENT PLACES THEY ARE.
SO, SO WHAT YOU'VE GOT, IF YOU PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, THERE WAS CURBING GUTTERING FURTHER DOWN.
WAIT, WHERE THE TOWN TOWNHOUSE THE TOWNHOUSE AS THEY PUT IT IN, BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING, THEY WERE GETTING LIKE THREE FEET OF WATER IN THEIR FACE.
SO WHAT WERE YOU ASKING? BUT MY POINT IS THAT IT'S, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE PATCHWORK OF MM-HMM.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH YOU.
THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH ME.
SO MY, MY POINT IS, YEAH, WELL, I JUST, BECAUSE SHE BROUGHT IT UP.
SO WHAT HAPPENED TO ME ON MY, WHAT HAPPENED TO ME ON MY STREET WAS, AND I THINK I SHARED WITH THIS WITH YOU GUYS A LONG TIME AGO, BUT THERE WAS, IT WAS 2000, I DON'T KNOW, 2001, 2002, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YEAR THEY DID THIS.
LIKE SIDEWAY, THEY CALLED IT, UH, CURB AND GUTTER SAIL.
AND SO THE TOWN KNEW THAT THEY WERE, THAT IT WAS GOING TO, WITHIN SO MANY YEARS, IT WAS GONNA INCREASE.
SO THEY OFFERED TO CITIZENS, IF YOU PAY HALF, WE'RE GONNA COVER THE OTHER HALF, BUT YOU NEEDED TO PAY THEM.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU BASICALLY, YOU DECIDED YOU SENT IN YOUR MONEY.
YOU KNOW, AND SO IT, IT WAS GONNA PAY FOR IT.
AND THEN THEY, I THINK THAT'S HOW IT WENT.
I THINK IT WAS, NO, MAYBE IT WAS 50% OFF IS WHAT THEY CALLED IT.
I, I'M JUST TELLING Y'ALL WHAT REPL, YOU CAN LOOK IT UP.
BUT, UM, ANYWAY, SO, BUT YOU, BUT THEY, BUT IT WAS, YOU WERE RIGHT.
SO WHAT THEY DID IS THEY WENT AROUND TOWN AND WHOEVER PAID, THEY WENT AND DID THEIR CURB AND GUTTER.
RIGHT? WELL, IT JUST SO HAPPENED ON MY STREET, LIKE I SAW THEM CURB AND GUTTERING SOMEBODY A COUPLE BLOCKS OVER, AND I CALLED THE TOWN AND I WAS LIKE, WHERE, WHERE AM I ON THIS LIST? LIKE, YOU KNOW, AM I 13? AM I 25? AND THEY WERE LIKE, WELL, YOU'RE GONNA BE SOON.
AND THEN, UM, SOMEBODY ON COUNCIL, I SPOKE WITH THEM AND THEY SAID, UM, THAT YOUR STREET IS GETTING READY.
YOUR WHOLE STREET IS GONNA BE DONE.
BECAUSE MY STREET FILTERED INTO THAT POND DOWN ON, UM, WESTMINSTER.
AND THERE WAS, I MEAN, WE HAD FLOODING WHERE YOU COULDN'T DRIVE, YOU COULDN'T GET OUTTA YOUR HOUSE FOR THREE, FOUR, OR FIVE HOURS, I'M SURE YOU MET.
UM, SO ANYWAY, THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA CORRECT IT, AND THEY WERE GONNA PUT IT, AND THEY SAID YOU'D BE BETTER OFF TO WAIT AND FOR THE STREET TO BE ALL DONE AT ONE TIME, SO THAT IT ALL TIES INTO EACH OTHER.
YOU KNOW, BUT THE OTHER PEOPLE ON MY STREET THAT HADN'T PAID FOR IT, RIGHT? THEY THEN THEY WERE, NOW THERE'S A LIEN ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SO, SO, JUST SO YOU KNOW, NOT THAT THIS IS A POPULAR THING, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE ALL OVER THIS TOWN THAT HAVE LIENS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
IF WE CAME IN AND DID CURB AND GUTTER ON THEIR STREET, THEN THE TOWN COUNCIL YEARS AFTER THAT SAID, UM, THEY DIDN'T, THEY WEREN'T GONNA CHARGE PEOPLE FOR CURB AND GUTTER IF THE STREET, IF SOME, IF THE TOWN CAME IN AND DID THEIR WHOLE STREET.
BUT IF YOU WERE A NEW HOUSE OR KNEW SOMETHING, THEN YOU WOULD, WITH THE IDEA BEING THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S, UM, CALCULATED INTO YOUR PAYMENT OR YOUR, OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S WHEN AMBER'S TALKING ABOUT IT.
SO, SO, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE WAS PIECE WORK.
BUT AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THE FACT THAT MAYBE IT'S SOUR GRAPES ON MY PART, BUT I PAID FOR MINE.
RIGHT? I MEAN, AND THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE OUT THERE NOW THAT, YEAH.
SO THAT'S MY ONLY THING ABOUT SOME OF THIS TOO IS, IS THAT WE ARE PUTTING THE BURDEN OF CURB AND GUTTER IN THE FUTURE
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ON FU THE FU ON THE CITIZENS.AND THAT'S PART OF LIVING IN TOWN IS HAVING THESE AMENITIES.
AND SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENCES.
THIS IS A PRIVATE DEVELOPER CREATING A BRAND NEW TOWN HALL, RIGHT.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA OCCUPY THIS EITHER.
UM, AND I'M JUST SAYING, AT WHAT POINT ARE YOU GUYS GONNA GET UNCOMFORTABLE? BECAUSE I KNOW I ALREADY AM.
IF THIS APPLICATION CAME THROUGH WITH SOMEBODY ELSE'S NAME ON IT, WHO'S A WELL KNOWN BUILDER IN FRONT ROYAL, ASKING FOR THE WAIVER, WE'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, THEY CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR THEIRS.
SO I'M JUST, MY ONLY CONCERN AND QUESTION IS, AS WE ADDRESS THIS ONE TONIGHT AND MOVE FORWARD, UH, IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT THAN DEALING WITH A NONPROFIT WHO, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA BE AN OWNER-OCCUPIED HOME WHEN THESE ARE FOR-PROFIT, BRAND NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE? AND HOW DO WE PICK AND CHOOSE WHO SHOULD AND CAN PAY FOR THEIRS? THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS.
THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY THAT WE CAN TAKE THIS WAIVER OUT OF THE CODE.
WELL, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TRIED FOR YEARS, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, GO TO OTHER TOWNS, ALMOST EVERY STREET THEY HAD CURB AND GUTTER.
AND LET ME TELL YOU, THOSE LEANS SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, LIKE DOWN THERE, OFF OF LOURAY AVENUE, THERE WAS HOUSES BUILT UP TOP.
I MEAN, BJ COULD SPEAK TO HOW MUCH THEY ARE, BUT I CAME AND SPOKE BEFORE COUNCIL WHEN THEY GAVE THOSE, BECAUSE THEN IT BECAME THE BURDENS OF THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THE HOME.
AND THEY WERE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
WELL, THE THING IS, UH, I, THIS PROPERTY I WANNA LOOK AT, AND, YOU KNOW, OUR CARNIVAL LIGHT IS RIGHT THERE.
IT'S A BLOOD ZONE, ISN'T IT? YES.
NO, THE, THE CARNIVAL LOT IS OH, THE CARNIVAL IS, YES.
CARNIVAL ALL AROUND THAT AREA.
YOU SAY HOUR, YOU MEAN THE TOWN'S CARNIVAL LOT? I JUST WANTED TO YES.
WELL, BUT YOU KNOW, WE NEED, THEY'VE DISTURBED ALL THIS, WHICH YEAH, IT MAY BE FINE RIGHT NOW WHERE THE, THE WATER'S NOT GONNA GO, BUT WE NEED TO, I THINK WE NEED TO SAY NO CAUSE WE NEED CURB AND GUTTER TO FUNNEL THAT WATER ON DOWN THE STREET.
WELL, THE OTHER THING IS, THERE'S NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF HOUSES ON THAT STREET.
SO THEN I STARTED THINKING IN MY HEAD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME OF THE STREETS WHERE AS SKIP SAID, LIKE PATCHWORK, LIKE HERE, HERE, MAYBE WE START LOOKING AT THE STREETS WHERE, OKAY, THERE'S 12 HOUSES AND FOUR OF 'EM ALREADY HAVE IT.
MAYBE THAT'S, THAT'S A STREET THAT BECOMES A PRIORITY.
LIKE THE PLANT, LIKE KIND OF MOVE IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
SAY, OKAY, CUZ WE CAN KNOCK THAT OUT.
ROBBIE MIGHT THINK DIFFERENTLY.
BUT ANYWAY, THIS IS, THIS IS THE TOPIC AHEAD OF US RIGHT NOW MM-HMM.
SO I'M SORRY THAT I DIGRESSED INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEOP YOU KNOW, WAYNE, YOU, YOU SAID WHAT I WAS SAYING, WHICH IS MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THE WHOLE IDEA OF A WAIVER SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TAKEN OUT OF OUR HANDS.
IT'S JUST THIS IS, AND IF WE DON'T, IF COUNCIL DOESN'T WANNA DO THAT, THEN WE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF COUNCIL DOESN'T WANNA DO THAT, THEN WE CAN LEAVE IT IN THERE OR WE JUST, OR WE'RE NOT GONNA ENFORCE IT, THEN WHY ARE WE SAYING IT? EXACTLY.
SO, SO THE, THE ORDINANCE HAS CRITERIA FOR, FOR GRANTED TO LEAVE WAIVER.
UM, OTHERWISE IT'S JUST COMPLETELY ARBITRARY, RIGHT.
SO THERE ARE CRITERIA, MAYBE THE, UH, SOLUTION IS TO TIGHTEN THE CRITERIA OR AMEND THE CRITERIA OR, OR REMOVE IT OR, WELL, AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO REMOVING A WAIVER ALTOGETHER, AMEND IT.
ANOTHER POSSIBILITY IS TO CHANGE THE CRITERIA.
GEORGE, ON THAT NOTE, I WILL ASK YOU, I KNOW I ASKED YOU INFORMER, COUNSELS TO PLEASE SEND THE TOWN CODE OR TINA, SOMEBODY DIRECT EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL IF THEY HAVEN'T TO READ OVER IT.
IT'S VERY DRY, PUTS YOU TO SLEEP.
BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT CUZ WE DO DEAL WITH THIS STUFF SO OFTEN TO UNDERSTAND IF WE WANT AS A COUNCIL TO CHANGE THINGS IN THIS THAT WE CAN DO.
IT'S, YOU'VE GOT IT IN YOUR PACKET.
YOU'VE GOT THE TOWN CODE HERE.
JUST THAT ABOUT THIS ABOUT, I MEAN THE WHOLE, I MEAN THE WHOLE THING, THE CHARTER AND THE CODE.
SO WE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT WAIVER THING AT A FUTURE WORK SESSION.
AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE THAT I WENT, WENT OFF TASK, BUT IT MADE ME REALIZE HOW.
SO WE CAN ALWAYS ADD THAT TO A FUTURE WORK SESSION.
BUT RIGHT NOW FOR THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, COUNCILMAN D DOO, I, UM, I'M CURIOUS AS FAR AS FOLKS WHO KNOW INFRASTRUCTURE, I MEAN HOW BENEFICIAL IS IT IF YOU'VE GOT A STREET AND YOU'VE ONLY GOT ONE OR TWO LOTS THAT HAVE CURB AND GUTTER, ARE YOU REALLY DOING ANYTHING FOR THE STREET TO, YOU KNOW, PUT HARD FOOT DOWN AND SAY WE HAVE TO HAVE IT GONNA MOVE THE WATER FASTER DOWN THE STREET WITH THE CARBON GUTTER? YEAH.
SO THE CARBON GUTTER, YOU'RE INCREASING THE VELOCITY OF WATER.
THE ROAD DOESN'T GROW ONE LITTLE AREA.
INCREASING WHAT'S CALLED SHEET FLOW.
SO LIKE IN THIS INSTANCE, THE, THIS PROPERTY IS AT A HIGHER ELEVATION THAN THE PROPERTY'S NEXT TO IT.
WHEN YOU PUT THIS CURB OF GUTTER IN, IN JUST THIS SPOT, YOU'RE MAKING THAT WATER MOVE FASTER
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TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.IF YOU WERE TO PUT IT IN ON THE ENTIRE STREET AT ONE TIME, THAT WATER'S GONNA MOVE OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FASTER.
BUT IT'S NOT JUST GONNA MOVE FAST, IT'S STOPPING SOMEONE'S YARD, WHICH MAY HAPPEN IF JUST THIS ONE PIECE IS PUT IN.
THAT WAS WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN ON
CUZ I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THEY DIDN'T END UP PUTTING IT ON MY STREET WAS CUZ THEY HAD TAR AND CHIP AND EVERY COUPLE YEARS THEY WERE REPLACEMENT.
SO THEN ONCE THEY PAVED OUR STREET AND PUT THE CURB AND GUTTER IN, THEY HAVEN'T HAD TO DO ANYTHING BUT, YOU KNOW, TREAT IT.
SO BRUCE, DID YOU NO, HE'S GIVING ME A HARD TIME ABOUT WORK.
BUT DID, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? SO, UH, BECAUSE I'M A SUPPORTER OF NONPROFIT.
SO, UH, UH, WHAT I WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS, UH, YOU, YOU CAN ALSO CONSIDER LOW, LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S ANOTHER WAY, YOU KNOW, YOU DRIVE DOWN THE HIGHWAY, YOU SEE THESE LIKE DITCHES AND MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S, UH, ANOTHER OPTION TO CONSIDER.
I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I GAINED YARD WHEN THEY DID IT.
THAT WAS THE PART I WAS NOT EXPECTING CUZ THEY PUT IT FURTHER OUT.
AND SUDDENLY, CUZ WE HAD LIKE THIS DITCH, THIS LIKE DITCH.
UM, AND, AND THEY BROUGHT IT ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE STREET.
NOW GRANTED IT'S THE TOWNS FROM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WATER OUT.
BUT I WAS LIKE, IT ACTUALLY, IT IMPROVED.
I'M, I FEEL LIKE IT IMPROVED MY HOME.
IT DOES THE LOOK OF ITS BETTERMENT.
SKIP, DID YOU WANNA OFFER ANYTHING TO THIS OR CUZ WE, I MEAN WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THIS TONIGHT, BUT WE NEED TO DECIDE IF WE'RE PUTTING THIS ON.
I MEAN, IT'S A REAL, IT'S A TOUGH PROBLEM.
IT'S A TOUGH PROBLEM FOR ALL OF OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, AND IT'S A TOUGH PROBLEM WHEN YOU PUT A LIEN ON ALL MM-HMM
IT'S A TOUGH, IT'S JUST A REALLY DIFFICULT YEAH.
NOW THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING, UH, COMMENT YOU MADE ABOUT BASICALLY PUTTING UNDERGROUND AND HAVING A LITTLE FLOOD.
UH, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU WOULD CALL THEM.
THEY'RE GREATS THAT DUMP INTO A, UH, CULVERT.
IT'S A CULVER, ALL THE UNDERGROUND CULVER.
IT'S A STORM WATER SYSTEM IS WHAT? YEAH.
IT'S A STORM WATER NOW THAT, NO, BUT YEAH, WE CAN'T JUST START IT RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S THE OTHER THING I WAS JUST SAYING.
IT'S REALLY HARD WHEN YOU LIVE IN TOWN.
CUZ THAT'S ONE OF THE PERKS I'VE LIVED IN TOWN AND COUNTY AND HAD TOWN AMENITY VAN COUNTY, LIKE PART OF BEING IN THE TOWN IS THAT YOU DO HAVE NICER INFRASTRUCTURE AND CURB AND GUTTERING AND ALL THESE TOWN UTILITIES THAT ARE MAINTAINED BY THE LOCAL TOWN.
SO IT'S NOT THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH THIS APPLICATION OR THIS DEVELOPER OR THIS, IT'S JUST FOR ME, I SAW IT COME UP ON OUR AGENDA WHEN TINA SENT IT OUT THE OTHER DAY AND I WAS LIKE, CRAP, THIS IS, WE'RE THIS SETS THE PRECEDENCE FOR THIS COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD HOW WE VOTE ON THIS.
BECAUSE EVERY DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S SOME THAT I DON'T WANT TO DEVELOP IN FRONT ROYAL, THEY'RE GONNA APPLY.
AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, I CAN'T SAY, I KNOW THEY'RE LOADED.
SO HOW DO YOU PICK AND CHOOSE IN THAT REGARD? AND THIS WOULD HAVE, I'M TALKING ABOUT ALENE, YOU MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING TOO.
IF IT'S A NEW, IF IT'S A NEW, UM, HOME OR A NEW TOWNHOME, NEW DUPLEX, WHATEVER, JUST ON A SINGLE PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT.
ON A SINGLE PIECE OF PROPERTY, YES.
IT, THE LIEN WOULDN'T BE ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE WHOEVER IS THE BUILDER IS THE BUILDER'S GONNA SELL IT AND THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THE COST OF WHATEVER OUR CURBING GUTTER IS AND JUST BUILD IT INTO, I MEAN WE'VE HAD THIS BEFORE.
I I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M ASKING THIS CUZ I DON'T EXPECT Y'ALL TO BE THINKING QUICK ON YOUR FEET, BUT WHAT IS CURB AND GUTTER USUALLY RUN? LIKE, I, I WANNA, IS IT JOE WAS GOING TO ANSWER ME.
OH, YOU WERE? WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, I HAD COST STUNNED FOR THE HABITAT HOUSE.
AND THAT WAS JUST, JUST SOUTH OF $2,000.
BUT THERE'S PLACES IN TOWN, I KNOW THIS IS A RARE INSTANCE, BUT MR. ROSSI'S PROPERTY WHERE THE CHRISTMAS STAR IS, THAT'S WHERE I GREW UP UP THERE, CURB AND GUTTER FOR THAT ROAD ON FOX DRIVE WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BECAUSE OF THE GRAVE.
SO THAT'S IN THE TOWN OF FORT ROW.
THAT WAS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS QUOTE.
THAT'S WHERE THAT PROPERTY, YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE HORRIBLE TO BE A CITIZEN.
AND THEN WE WHAT THE TOWN PAID FOR THAT THOUGH? WELL, I KNOW IT'D BE HORRIBLE FOR THEM TO PUT A LIEN ON MY PROPERTY IF I COULD.
YOU KNOW, THEY SAID YOU'VE GOTTA PAY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
HOW MUCH FAIR THE DAY CLUB? UH, WELL YOU, YOU KNOW WHERE FOX DRIVE IS.
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KNOW.BUT IT'S BECAUSE OF THE GRADE, SO.
UM, WE, THE QUESTION BEFORE US, IS CHIEF, IS COUNCIL READY TO TAKE THIS TO, UM, A VOTE OR WOULD YOU ALL PREFER THAT WE, I MEAN ARE WE READY TO MOVE THIS TO THE APRIL 24TH MEETING OR DO WE WANNA COME BACK AND VISIT THIS AGAIN? THAT'S ALWAYS THE QUESTION.
THAT WAS CHEAPER THAN I EXPECTED.
DID ANYBODY ELSE FEEL LIKE THIS? I THOUGHT THAT IF YOU FIGURE IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE GONNA SELL A HOUSE FOR 300,000 TOO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO JUST CURB AND GUTTER.
AND THEN IT'S MORE SET IF THEY DO ADD SIDEWALK THROUGH THEIR LATER DATE IF THE CURB AND GUTTER IS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED.
UM, BECAUSE THE TOWN ALWAYS PAYS FOR THOSE.
UNLESS WE GET COUNTY OR STATE FUNDING, WE ALWAYS PAY FOR THE SIDEWALKS.
I YOU'RE ASKING, THERE HAS BEEN SOME LEADS ON SIDEWALKS AS WELL.
REALLY? FOR COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL OR BOTH? COMMERCIAL, YEAH, COMMERCIAL.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN SOME LEAVES ON SIDEWALKS.
I THINK FOR ME, AND I'M, I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THIS AND I HAVE, WHEN I FIRST SAW THAT, FIRST SAW THE DOCUMENTS, THIS IS A NEW HOUSE AND IT'S DIFFERENT TO NEW HOUSE.
IS IT GONNA BE TWO UNITS TOO? AND IT'S DIFFERENT THAN OUR OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE CURB GUTTER.
AND IT IS GONNA BE PROBABLY NOT IN MY LIFETIME WHEN THEY DO GET THEM.
NOW, MAYBE THE POSITION I MIGHT TAKE IS, IS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, NEW PROPERTIES, AT LEAST STARTING IT.
UM, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK COUNCILMAN RAPPAPORT WAS SAYING IS WE GOTTA START FROM WHERE.
IT'S LIKE, WHERE, WHEN DO WE DRAW THE LAB? YEAH.
ONLY, ONLY BECAUSE IT, IT'S A, IT'S A NEW PROPERTY, RIGHT? UM, YEAH, WELL IT IN LOT, SO THAT'S WHERE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING, LIKE LAST YEAR WE ISSUED 37 NEW DWELLING UNIT PERMITS FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
IT'S NOT THE OPEN LAND OUT, YOU KNOW, OFF, OFF HAPPY CREEK OR SOMETHING LIKE A, A LARGE DEVELOPMENT COMING IN.
THESE ARE JUST LITTLE PIECES OF LOTS.
WHEN SOMEBODY BOUGHT FIVE OF 'EM, BUILT A HOUSE ON TWO AND NOW THEIR FAMILY IS SELLING OFF WHAT'S LEFT.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THESE WAIVER REQUESTS FROM.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THE THING IS WITH THE, IF THEY PUT IT IN NOW, INSTEAD OF WAITING TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THEY'RE GONNA SAVE MONEY.
SMART WITH YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S TOO, THAT WAS WHY WE DID, THAT'S WHY WE BOUGHT OUR ALL IN THE SALE.
THE LOGIC BEHIND WHY THE CODE WAS WRITTEN THE WAY IT IS, SO THAT EVEN IF IT IS PIECEMEAL, IT'S DEVELOPMENT PAYS FOR DEVELOPMENT.
ARE WE PUTTING THIS ON APRIL 24TH? WE GOOD? JUST ABOUT THIS ITEM? COUNCIL, COUNCIL NEEDS TO ACT.
SO WE HAVE TO ACT ON, SO IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE APRIL 24TH.
WHETHER IT'S ON THAT ONE OR ANOTHER ONE COUNCIL DOES HAPPEN.
UM, SO, AND MOVING FORWARD WE CAN DISCUSS ABOUT PUTTING WAIVERS ON AN AGENDA AT THAT TIME.
UM, SO, ALRIGHT, SO NEXT UP THE NUMBER FIVE, WHICH THE, WHICH IS THE VIRGINIA MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, UM, POLICY COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS.
SO YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF THIS.
AND SO, UM, SO BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS, UM, THEY LIKE FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER AND A STAFF MEMBER TO BE INVOLVED IN EACH OF THESE.
NOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE ONE IS, YOU CAN SEE IT SAYS NEW IN 2022.
UM, AND I WILL TELL YOU I SERVED ON HUMAN DEVELOPMENT AND EDUCATION LAST YEAR AND YOU CAN SEE IT SAYS IT USUALLY MEETS ONCE A YEAR IN LATE JULY.
UM, AND THAT, I WOULD SAY, I THINK I WAS MIDDLE OF JULY.
AND THEN THEY ALSO, DURING THE VML, MY COMMITTEE GOT TOGETHER DURING THE VMI CONFERENCE, BUT THEY ALSO TOLD YOU THEY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO WHERE IT IS.
UM, AND WE CAN, OH, IT SAYS OKAY, WE MAY NOMINATE UP TO TWO PEOPLE PER POLICY COMMITTEE AND ONE HAS TO BE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
UM, SO IT SAYS INDIVIDUALS CAN ONLY SERVE ON ONE COMMITTEE PER YEAR.
SO IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE TRICKY CUZ THERE'S FIVE AND THERE ARE SIX OF US.
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I TALKED TO UM, COUNCILMAN INGRAM, UH, CUZ I KNEW HE WASN'T GONNA BE HERE.AND, AND IN TRUE JOSH FASHION, HE SAID, MADAM MAYOR, YOU THERE'S COMMITTEE YOU NEED ME TO ON YOU, LET ME KNOW AND I'LL TELL YOU AND I'LL BE, I'VE SERVED ON IT.
SO ANYWAY, YOU GUYS CAN SEE, UM, WHO SERVED ON SOME OF THESE IN THE PAST.
UM, AND YEAH, AND I I THINK AMBER, YOU SAID THAT LAST YEAR GENERAL LOSS DIDN'T MEET UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR, RIGHT? YEAH, WE MET AT THE END OF THE YEAR LAST YEAR.
IT'S KIND OF, SO WHAT THEY DO IS, THE IDEA IS THAT THIS COMMITTEE COMES TOGETHER AND THEY TALK ABOUT ISSUES AND THEN THEY, I'M GONNA USE THE WRONG WORD, BUT LOBBY, BUT NOT REALLY.
BUT THEN THEY, THEY SEND WHAT THEY SUGGEST SHOULD HAPPEN TO THE LEGISLATURE.
SO YEAH, SO LIKE LAST YEAR WHEN WE WENT TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT DAY, UM, THEY LITERALLY GAVE US THIS BOOKLET OF LIKE, THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT, UM, THAT THEY'RE PRO, YOU KNOW, ASKING THE LEGISLATURE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ABOUT THESE POLICIES.
SO I CAN JUST GIVE SOME BACK SIGHTS.
SO LAST YEAR'S GENERAL WALLS IS WHAT I SAT ON, UM, WITH OUR TOWN ATTORNEY, MR. SONNET.
AND A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS WERE REGARDING UM, TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS BECAUSE YOU CAN NO LONGER PULL SOMEBODY OVER AT FOR HAVING A HEADLIGHT OUT.
SO ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES IN THE STATE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW THAT HAD IMPACTED CRIME AND DRUGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE IN THEIR COMMUNITY AS A RESULT.
SO THEY WERE KIND OF TELLING US WHAT WE SHOULD TALK TO OUR LEGISLATORS ABOUT.
AND UM, AND THEY SPOKE TO BOTH SIDES OF IT.
WE HAD LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, CHIEF OF POLICE THAT SPOKE, YOU KNOW, HOW IT HAD IMPACTED THEIR, CUZ THEY, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE.
SO IT JUST JUST DEPENDS ON LIKE WHAT NEW LAWS TAKE PLACE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING THAT YEAR FOR EACH OF THESE.
AND THEN THEY'LL TELL YOU, YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY EDUCATION THERE WAS, IT, IT WAS, IT'S DEFINITELY, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? LIKE IN TIME OR TIME SENSITIVE.
LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT PARTICULAR, LIKE LAST YEAR THE, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, UH, MENTAL HEALTH, MENTAL MENTAL HEALTH AND, AND ADDRESSING SOME OF THE MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WAS A LOT OF SHORT TERM RENTALS AND VAPE SHOPS.
SO IT'S ALL VERY RELEVANT TO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITIES AS IT COMES.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SO, UM, I, UM, WOULD LOVE TO ENTERTAIN.
LIKE WHAT IF, IF, IF ANYBODY, UM, AND I, I GAVE YOU ALL HEADS UP PLUS YOU SAW THIS ON THE AGENDA TO SAY LIKE, WHAT WERE THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN? AND IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S MORE THAN ONE PERSON INTERESTED IN A COMMITTEE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR STRENGTHS ARE, WHAT YOU WANNA DO, WHAT YOU AND I ONLY GOT SWITCHED TO GENERAL LAWS FROM FINANCE CUZ SCOTT LEFT.
SCOTT WAS GONNA DO GENERAL LAW.
I'VE LOOKED AT I THINK THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT EDUCATION, UM, CAUSE I SEE, I MEAN SOME OF THE STUFF IS STUFF I'VE ALREADY BEEN INVOLVED IN JUVENILE JUSTICE, JAILS, UM, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE AGING.
UM, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU WAYNE, I THOUGHT YOU, I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN GENERAL LAWS.
MAYBE IT'S CUZ I THOUGHT YOU ENFORCE BACKGROUND GENERAL LAWS WILL BE ONE.
YOU KNOW WHAT? UM, YEAH CUZ IT UM, IT HOLD ON.
SO YEAH, THEY GIVE YOU A DESCRIPTION OF EACH ONE JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT, BUT ANYWAY, UM, I KNOW THAT, UM, YOU WANT GENERAL LAWS HERE? NO, I GOT THE SHORT END OF THE STICK LAST YEAR I WAS THE JUNIOR COUNCIL MEMBER.
SO I JUST GOT THROWN INTO WHAT WAS OPEN.
SO YOU'RE GONNA THROW ME IN? NO, NO, NO.
I AM INTERESTED IN, WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE COMMUNITY IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I JUST GOT ELECTED FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM.
SO I'LL BE HERE FOR EVERY MEETING THAT THEY HAVE.
I'M GOING TO VML, I GO TO RICHMOND DOLPHIN.
SO YOU CAN PUT ME DOWN FOR GENERAL WALLS THEN IF YOU'RE OKAY.
NO, YOU CAN DO IF YOU WANNA DO HUMAN.
I LITERALLY TOLD LORI, I'M LIKE, I SAT THERE WITH ALL THESE COPS TALKING ABOUT THEIR STOPS AND
THE THE CHIEF ON THERE WITH ME.
ACTUALLY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, GENERAL LAWS IS, UM, GEORGE SERVED ON THAT WITH, UH, THAT'D BE YOUR SIDE.
BUT I'M JUST TAKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'RE INTERESTED IN? UM, I LAW ALL MY LIFE.
BUT SPEAK UP AND I'M, I LIKE, I, I SAID IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU, IT MAY BE THAT TWO PEOPLE WANT THE SAME THING AND WE
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CAN WORK THAT OUT TOO.SO WHAT DO YOU WELL, I SENT YOU MINE.
I MEAN MINE, MY FIRST PREFERENCE WOULD ALSO BE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT AND EDUCATION.
AND I WOULD GIVE A SECOND FOR GERMAN.
I MEAN THAT YOU CAN ONLY DO ONE COMMITTEE.
SO I CAN, YOU CAN BUMP ME IF YOU NEED TO BUMP ME, BUMP ME, BUMP ME TO ANY OF THEM.
BECAUSE REALLY I'LL LEARN FROM ANY OF THEM.
BUT THEIR NONPROFIT BACKGROUND, I FIGURED THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE GONNA PICK.
I GOT, I THEY JUST SAID LAST YEAR YOU SHOULD BE ON EDUCATION.
BUT NOW I DID, I WILL SHARE, I THINK I SHARED THIS WITH ALL OF YOU, ALL THAT, THAT THEY DID DO A LOT OF TALKING ABOUT SCHOOL STUFF MM-HMM.
LIKE I DIDN'T HAVE A, I DIDN'T, I COULDN'T, I, I COULDN'T SPEAK ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT PART OF IT BECAUSE SCHOOLS DON'T AFFECT THE TOWN PER SE, BUT IT AFFECTED NEED, YOU KNOW.
BUT YOU'RE IN THERE WITH CITIES.
SO WHEN YOU'LL HEAR FROM LIKE VIRGINIA BEACH, NEWPORT NEWS, THEIR CITY PAY AND THEIR SCHOOL ON THE LOCALITY.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE IN THERE WITH ALL THE LOCALITIES.
WHAT ELSE ARE YOU, WHAT ELSE ARE YOU ALL INTERESTED IN? SKIP.
YOU EXPRESSED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS WELL, RIGHT? I DID.
UH, BUT I'M ALSO ON THE, UH, ON THE TOURISM.
SO THAT COVERS ME FOR, FOR MY COMMUNITY.
UH, YOU KNOW, I COULD HANG OUT WITH BJ FOR A WHILE ON FINANCE AND, UH,
THEY TALK ABOUT HOUSE BILL 5 99
THAT'S KINDA WHERE IT ENDS OUT.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, YOU JUST SET IN ON THE FINANCE FROM LAST YEAR SOMETHING, A FINANCE SUBCOMMITTEE.
DID I? YEAH, WE ALL SAT IN HERE WITH BJ AND THE AUDIT.
BRUCE, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? JOSH AND JOSH? JOSH.
JOSH SAID HE WOULD DO INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT I, BUT WHAT? I'M SORRY.
NO, I SAID JOSH SAID HE WOULD DO INFRASTRUCTURE IF I WANT HIM TO DO IT.
BUT DO YOU WANNA DO IT OR IS THERE ANOTHER ONE YOU'D RATHER DO? WELL, THE THREE, THE THREE THAT I HAD HAD, UH, I RAN ON THE COMMUNITY IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
BUT I ALSO, UH, I THINK I MENTIONED, UH, TO YOU FINANCE OR YES, YOU DID.
AFTER YOU CORRECTED THE PROFFERS FOR THE OR OR INFRASTRUCTURE.
WELL, JOSH ISN'T HERE, SO IF YOU WANT INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU CAN, I DIDN'T SAY WHICH ONE.
WELL I'M THROWING IT OVER TO YOU.
ROBBIE SERVES, ROBBIE SERVES FOR STAFF IS ROBBIE'S INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA BE THE DEVELOPMENT IN EDUCATION GUTTERS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, DID NOT HAVE A, IT WAS JUST ME.
I DON'T, I GUESS CUZ THERE REALLY WASN'T A, UM, THERE REALLY WASN'T A, A PERSON THAT SEEMS LIKE A STAFF.
ANYWAY, BRUCE JUST VOLUNTEER FOR ALL.
I'M, I'M, DO WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU MIND DOING JOSH? JOSH SAID HE WOULD DO IT IF HE, YOU KNOW, IF I WANT HIM TO DO IT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, SINCE HE'S NOT HERE, IF YOU WANT TO DO INFRASTRUCTURE OR IF YOU WANT ONE OF THE OTHER ONES, Y'ALL WANNA THIS, WHAT'S THE WORD CALLED? ARM WRESTLE FOR IT.
DO YOU, IS THERE, OR WOULD YOU WELL, TWO PEOPLE SERVEE ON IT.
BUT IF I JUST NUMBERS IN NO STAFF THERE IS THAT IF SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, SO THIS MEETS ONCE A YEAR.
AND SO WHAT DO YOU MEET WITH? IT'S ON VML.
EVERYBODY'S THE MEETING WE WITNESS VIA ZOOM.
EVERY PERSON THAT'S ON THE COMMITTEE ACROSS THE STATE WILL BE A PART OF IT.
VML SETS THE AGENDA AND THEY SEND IT OUT AND THEY TELL YOU MM-HMM.
THESE ARE THE ISSUES BEFORE US.
AND THEN THEY HAVE A MEETING AND PEOPLE KIND OF DISCUSSED IF WE WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING.
I THINK, I DON'T GET REDACTED.
REDACT VL PEOPLE REMEMBER THEY'VE REDACTED US ON CONFLICT.
IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF MEETING.
YOU WANNA DO INFRASTRUCTURE OR NOT? I FEEL LIKE, I FEEL LIKE I'M FORCING YOU TO DO INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT
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I'LL DO, I THOUGHT THAT WAS HE WAS GONNA BE ALL OVER.YOU WANT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE I'LL DO IT.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS WANTING TO BE AMBER AND MR. WALTZ FINANCE.
CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE PUTTING THIS IN THE, THE, UH, MOTION.
AND THEN FINANCE IS GONNA BE SKIP AND BJ GENERAL LAWS IS GONNA BE WAYNE AND GEORGE.
AND HUMAN DEVELOPMENT AND EDUCATION IS GONNA BE MELISSA.
IF JOSH IS INTERESTED IN SERVING ONE, ONE SINCE THERE ISN'T A STAFF MEMBER, UH, JOSH COULD, IF, IF HE'S INTERESTED WE'LL ASK HIM.
UM, AND THEN INFRASTRUCTURE IS GONNA BE BRUCE AND ROBBIE.
IS THAT OKAY? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
I'VE HAD, I'VE HAD INTERACTIONS WITH ROBBIE.
UM, YOU'RE DOING GENERAL LAW? IS THAT WHAT I YEAH.
UM, AND THEY GENERALLY TRY TO GET IT IN BEFORE.
IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOURS WAS AT THE END OF THE YEAR BECAUSE IT'S USUALLY IN JULY, BUT I THINK THEY GOT HERS IN THE END OF THE YEAR CUZ THEY HAD TO GET IT IN BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE.
WHAT'S THAT EXPLAIN IN? AND ALSO THE VML, WHEN THE VML CONFERENCE IS IN OCTOBER, SOMETIMES THE COMMITTEE, THEY'LL HAVE YOU COME TOGETHER FOR 30 MINUTES AND TALK THERE, UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE CUZ I WASN'T THERE THIS LAST TIME.
WE ARE MOVING ON TO NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS OPEN DISCUSSION.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY, UH, WANTS TO TALK ABOUT? UM, DID YOU SAY YES? OKAY, GO AHEAD.
I'LL JUST MAKE IT, UH, I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH A, UH, RESIDENT YESTERDAY.
AND IT WAS REGARDING THE TRAFFIC SITUATION.
UH, OR THE IMPENDING THOUGHT THAT THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. UM, UP, UP ON, UH, THE, UH, NORTH ROW AVENUE.
UH, AND UH, SO MEANING FROM, MEANING FROM THE NEW RECREATION, THE CANOE THING AT THE BFW.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE, AS I POINTED OUT YEAH.
I, I POINTED OUT THAT THE CONCERNS WERE IT'S HARD TO GET OUT OF THERE.
WELL, SOMETHING HARD TO GO LEFT.
AND YEAH, NORTH I WAS GO RIGHT AND TURN AROUND IN STOP PARKING LOT, BUT KEEP GOING.
UH, AND THE OTHER POINT WAS, UH, THAT, UH, THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
IT'S THE, THE RESIDENT DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE PUBLIC, YOUR HONOR, THE EXACT SAME PHONE.
WELL, THEY DIDN'T, DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND NOW I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, ARE WE, ARE WE GETTING THE WORD OUT? OKAY.
YOU KNOW, SO I, AND I THINK, ARE WE DOING A GOOD ENOUGH JOB AT GETTING THE WORD? I SAW IT ON INSTAGRAM.
I MEAN, IT WAS FAR ADVERTISED WITH SOCIAL MEDIA.
UM, AND I THINK YOU GUYS SEND NEIGHBORS.
IT'S, IT WAS, I SAW EVERYTHING.
BUT KEEP IN MIND THOUGH, WHAT I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THIS, IT'S A SIGNAGE.
SIGNAGE, THE PUBLIC HEARING, A PUBLIC HEARING SIGN GOES UP.
WELL, IT'S A, LIKE A YEAH, BUT IT YELLOW ONE, BUT YOU ALSO REALIZE THAT IT GOES ON THE PROPERTY.
SO UNLESS THEY WERE DRIVING DOWN, BUT THEIR TURNING AROUND, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN IT.
BUT IT'S ADVERTISED EVERYWHERE ELSE.
I THINK THEY EVEN SEND LETTERS TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, PROPERTY OWNERS LETTERS TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS.
LAUREN DOES TOUCHES AND WE HAVE TO SEND IT OUT LIKE TWO WEEKS BEFORE.
SO WE FOUND, AND THEN NORTHERN VIRGINIA DA PUBLISHED IT AND I SEND THEM OUT TOO.
JA, JASON PROPERTY OWNERS, IT'S ALL PURSUANT TO STATE STATUTE.
SO, BUT I, I GUESS THE ONLY THING THAT I'M, I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, I I, I REPRESENT THEM SO I HAVE TO VOICE.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT I'M SAYING IS ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE UP IN THAT SUBDIVISION, DO THEY ALL READ NEWSPAPERS? DO THEY ALL READ THE ORAL EXAMINER, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
UH, SO, UH, HOW DO YOU, HOW WOULD WE DO IT KNOCK ON DOORS OR DO THEY GIVE YOU A RESOLUTION? THAT'S THE ONLY THING BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DEALT WITH THIS A LOT.
WELL, SO WHY DO WE NEED, DO, DO, DO WE NEED, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS IS GONNA SOUND RIDICULOUS, BUT DO, DO WE NEED TO SEND SOMETHING OUT IN THE BILLINGS? WE DO.
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WELL, NOT, NOT FOR EACH.SO BRUCE EXPENSE, I'M NOT TRYING TO CREATE MORE WORK.
I'M, I'M GONNA ADDRESS, I'M GONNA ADDRESS THIS.
CAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP, LIKE DURING, WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UM, BECAUSE I'M LIKE YOU, THERE WERE MANY TIMES WHERE PEOPLE, I FELT LIKE THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT HAD THEY KNOWN THEY WOULD'VE COME AND SPOKE UP.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT, WE DID A BIGGER PUSH ON THE, UM, GETTING TEXT ALERTS.
UM, I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS LIKE I WAS PUSHING AND SO THEN THEY STARTED PUTTING ON THE ELECTRIC BILL.
I WANNA SAY IT'S, I MEAN ACTUALLY I JUST GOT THE DOWN CRIER CHARTER THING.
I JUST SAW, I THINK IT EVERY NEWSLETTER, I THINK IT'S ON EVERY NEWSLETTER.
SO IT MEANS THAT IF SO, AND IF IT'S NOT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT IS, I'M NOT SURE IS IN RESPONSIBLE.
YOU CAN EVEN TAKE YOUR PHONE AND DO LIKE A QR CODE AND IT TAKES YOU RIGHT TO THE SPOT.
YOU PUT YOUR NAME, YOU PUT YOUR CELL PHONE NUMBER, YOU PUT YOUR EMAIL.
CUZ WHENEVER TINA SENDS OUT, LIKE, WE GET 'EM ALL THE TIME.
LIKE WE GET THE AGENDA ON THURSDAYS, WITHIN MINUTES I'LL GET PING PING ON MY PHONE, WHAT'LL BE A TEXT.
AND I WASN'T SIGNED UP FOR THAT.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT EXISTED UNTIL I BROUGHT THIS VERY CONCERN TO COUNSEL AND SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SIGN UP FOR THESE ALERTS.
AND I WAS LIKE, OH, REALLY? SO I FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE A BETTER JOB AT, YOU KNOW, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW.
WE GET ALERTS ON GARBAGE AND WE GET ALERTS ON WHERE PUBLIC WORKS IS GONNA BE WORKING AND YEAH.
BUT THE AGENDA IS WHERE IT WOULD HAVE THE TOPIC ABOUT, UM, THE AGENDA IS WHERE IT WOULD HAVE THE TOPIC ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT CAME UP LAST WEEK AND I HAD OF PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AND SO, SO I TOTALLY RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT AREN'T BUYING THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA DAILY ANYMORE.
NOT ONLY HAS IT GONE SKY HIGH, UM, THEY NO LONGER DELIVERING IT TO YOUR HOUSE, SO IT HAS TO COME IN THE MAIL.
SO AS SOME OF MY FAMILY LEAVES SAID, BY THE TIME IT COMES IN THE MAIL AT, YOU KNOW, AT DINNERTIME,
YOU DON'T GET IT UNTIL YOUR MAILBOX IS TILL FRIDAY OR I DON'T.
UM, AND IT'S THE SAME ARTICLE.
SO I I THINK THAT BADLY PRINT, PRINT NEWS IS GOING BY THE WAYSIDE.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THINGS ONLINE.
SO I, I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, CUZ IN MY LINE OF WORK
WELL YOU KNOW WHAT? IT WAS ON EVERY NEWSLETTER FOR THREE WEEKS AND IT CAME TO YOUR EMAIL.
YOU KNOW, AND SO I, I RESPECT WHAT THEY WERE SAYING, BUT, UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD DO IT DIFFERENTLY.
LIKE SKIP, I MEAN, WE CAN'T KNOCK ON EVERYBODY'S DOOR OR YOU KNOW, TAPE A, A THING UP ON EVERYBODY'S DOOR.
YOU KNOW, WE, THE INFORMATION'S THERE.
UM, BUT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO WANNA GET IT AND, AND, AND MAYBE THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS HAPPENING.
SO I, I DON'T, I FEEL BAD THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME FAULT OF THE TOWN.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST OF Y'ALL FEEL THAT WAY.
I MEAN, AND SO MAYBE CUZ I KNOW A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COMPLAINED AND I'VE EVEN PUT THIS ON FACEBOOK POSTS BEFORE WHEN PEOPLE WERE SAYING STUFF, ARE YOU AWARE THAT YOU CAN SIGN UP FOR ALERTS AND TEXTS? YEAH.
AND SO, BUT SOME OF THE OLDER FOLKS PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU TALKED TO, BUT SOME OF THE OLDER FOLKS ARE ONLY HAVE LANDLINES.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT AGAIN, THEY'VE GOT THE, UH, NEWSLETTER THAT COMES WITH THEIR ELECTRIC BILL.
MY GRANDMA CALLED ME ABOUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE NEWSLETTER THAT GOES IN THE ELECTRIC BILL TIMING OF IT, IT'S QUARTERLY.
AND IT DOESN'T INCLUDE, WE'RE HAVING THESE ITEMS EVERY MONTH.
IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE AGENDA.
IT'S JUST A GENERIC KEY THING.
CUZ I'VE SAID THAT BEFORE TOO.
LIKE MY, MY FATHER WHEN HE WAS AGING OR WHATEVER, BUT MY FATHER WAS ALSO SOMEBODY THAT GOT THE NEWSPAPER EVERY DAY.
AND THEN WE JUST AGREED TONIGHT TO HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE 24TH.
WE DON'T HAVE TIME OR STAFF OR THE RESOURCES FINANCIALLY TO SEND STAFF OUT HERE TONIGHT, TOMORROW MORNING, HAVE THEM MAIL SOMETHING OUT TO EVERYBODY IN FOR ROYAL SAYING, HEY, COUNSEL DECIDED LAST NIGHT THERE HAVING TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS IN THREE WEEKS.
AND I GET IT AND I, I FEEL EMPATHY FOR THAT PERSON.
BUT THIS IS GONNA BE COMMON AS YOU GO ALONG ON COUNSEL.
THEY'VE PUBLISHED THESE HUGE ARTICLES ABOUT THIS GRAND NEW CANOE DEVELOPMENT.
COUNCIL WAS ECSTATIC AND NORMALLY WELCOMED THE DEVELOPER, WHICH WE DID.
BUT PEOPLE ALWAYS ARE REACTIVE A LOT OF TIMES IN THE GOVERNMENT AND WITH THINGS LIKE THIS.
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UNFORTUNATE, BUT I JUST, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO.WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS IN MY TWO YEARS.
A LOT PEOPLE RESPOND AFTER WE VOTE.
THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WE COULD DO, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEET THE NEEDS OF EVERY CITIZEN.
THAT'S NOT ON FACEBOOK OR INSTAGRAM.
THE ONLY OTHER THING WE COULD DO IS, IS A SCREENSHOT OF THE AGENDA IS A POST.
NOT, I MEAN I KNOW THEY SEND OUT THE, THERE IS A POST THAT WE'RE MEETING TONIGHT THOUGH, RIGHT? NO, NO.
OH, YOU MEAN ON FACEBOOK? I SAW IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA SOME DAY.
REAL TOWN COUNCIL MEETS TONIGHT.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN THE, IN THE NEWSLETTER.
I MEAN I DON'T, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT IN A WHILE, BUT, UM, MAYBE AGAIN, YOU HAVE OUR SCHEDULE.
I KNOW YOU HAVE THE SCHEDULE IN THERE, THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETINGS.
IF IN JUST MAYBE A LINE THAT SAYS IF YOU WISH TO SEE THE AGENDA, YOU CAN GO DOWNSTAIRS THAT THEY'VE GOT IT POSTED IN THE, UM, IN THE LITTLE, UH, GLASS AREA DOWN THERE.
SO MAYBE, UM, JUST DIRECT PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, AT ANY TIME YOU WANT THE AGENDA, YOU CAN CALL, YOU KNOW, WHAT NUMBER COULD THEY CALL? BUT IN THESE INSTANCES, IT'S ONLY NEIGHBORS THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS ONE THING.
THEY DON'T WANNA SEE THE AGENDA EVERY MEETING.
UM, MAYBE FOR THE NEXT QUARTERLY NEWSLETTER MAYBE WE COULD PUT A BOX THAT SAYS, UH, SOMETHING ABOUT, THESE ARE ALL THE WAYS THAT YOU CAN BE INFORMED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR TOWN OR WHATEVER.
BUT I MEAN, IT MAY NOT HURT TO PUT ON THERE.
YOU CAN DO, YOU CAN VISIT THIS WEBSITE, YOU CAN READ IT IN THE NEWSPAPER.
YOU CAN READ IT ON ROYAL EXAMINER.
I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO DO IT, BUT BRUCE, I DO THINK IT IS, IS A FAIR THING CUZ THEN PEOPLE ARE UPSET.
I ONLY HAVING ONE READING CHANGED THAT TOO.
WE USED TO HAVE TWO READINGS AT PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WE DIDN'T TAKE ACTION THE FIRST NIGHT.
THAT'S WHY I, WHEN I ASK COUNSEL EARLIER, IF YOU GUYS WERE READY TO SEND HETA THE WAY IT USED TO WORK, AND I THINK IT CHANGED RIGHT AS I WAS COMING ON TO COUNCIL OR RIGHT.
IT, SO WE WOULD HEAR SOMETHING WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'D GET ALL THE PUBLIC'S INPUT.
WE'D HAVE TWO WEEKS TO GO DISSECT IT, GET INFORMATION AND SUPPORT FROM STAFF.
WE'D GO BACK, HAVE ANOTHER READING, AND THEN WE'D TAKE ACTION ON IT.
SO THIS WOULD'VE GAVE THOSE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN IT WAS PUBLISHED.
LIKE THEY HAD THEIR FIRST READING LAST NIGHT.
THEY HAVE ANOTHER ONE AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
THE ONLY PROBLEM WAS I AGREE WITH YOU AND I WOULD, THAT BROUGHT MORE AWARENESS TO THE THINGS I THOUGHT.
UM, THE PROBLEM WAS WHEN WE DROPPED BACK TO ONLY ONE COUNCIL MEETING A MONTH, THEN IF WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO READINGS, THEN SOMEBODY LITERALLY IS WAITING EIGHT TO NINE WEEKS TO HAVE SOMETHING TAKEN CARE OF.
SO THEY'VE GOT A MONTH TO GET TO PLANNING AND THEN THEY'VE GOT TWO MONTHS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I, WHAT I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE ANSWER, JUST MORE AWARE.
WHAT WE WERE DOING ON I'VE, I'VE, UM, REMEMBER WHEN THEY, PEOPLE WOULD SKIP THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN SHOW UP FOR THE SECOND.
WELL, AND SOMETIMES THEY DIDN'T.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE CAME TO THE FIRST HEARING REALIZED THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF SUPPORT FOR IT.
AND SO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE AGAINST IT WOULD GO KNOCK ON THEIR NEIGHBOR'S DOOR.
HOW'S THE RADIO COVERAGE? IS IT GETTING RADIO COVERAGE OR PROBABLY PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO PAY FOR A RADIO COVERAGE.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE ON THAT.
THAT SHOULD BE A PSA PUBLIC HEARING? NO, NO, NO.
WELL, WE DO SO MANY, WE HAVE FOUR LAST MONTH.
AND THEY'RE LIKE GERMAN GUTTER WAIVER, THE LETTER OF THE CODE.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE DOING WHAT THE STATE'S TELLING US TO DO.
UM, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I, BUT I'M OPEN IF AJ HAS THE OTHER SUGGESTION.
THE ONLY, ONLY OTHER THING IN THIS
POINT
AS THAT GOES FORWARD, WE NEED TO MONITOR WHAT'S GOING ON ON AT THAT INTERSECTION.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE THERE, THERE MAY BE A NEED TO SOMEHOW AND THE CAR WASH JUST STARTED BEING BUILT.
WE DID SAY THAT NIGHT AT COUNCIL, I THINK IT WAS ROBBIE, WE CAN NOW CONTACT VIOC TO DO A STUDY.
ONCE THAT DEVELOPMENT, THEN WE NEED, WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN THE WORK ON.
AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING, SADLY, THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT MIGHT, MIGHT HAVE TO BE THE ONE THAT TELLS US IF THAT BECOMES A TROUBLESOME AREA.
YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVING INCREASED IN ACCIDENTS.
GOOD SPOT FOR A TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
NOT ABOUT, I SAID THAT A COUNSELING GOT CRUCIFIED.
I'M ONE OF THE GUYS THAT LIKES CIRCLES.
NOBODY STOPS AT THE CONSTANT FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
ONCE YOU LEARN IT, IT'S NOT HARD.
YOU HAVE A ROUNDABOUT, BUT ROYAL PEOPLE JUST DRIVE OVER 'EM.
ANYTHING, HAVE YOU BEEN ON AT WALMART? THERE'S
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ANYTHING ELSE FOR OPEN? ANYTHING ELSE FOR OPEN? MM-HMM.SO HERE'S THE THING, IT'S JUST NUMBER THERE.
SO WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO READ THE MOTION STOP AFTER NUMBER ONE.
CONVENE IN A CLOSED MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A SEVEN OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FOR CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND BRIEFINGS BY STAFF MEMBERS OR CONSULTANTS PERTAINING TO ACTUAL LITIGATION WHERE SUCH CONSULTATION OR BRIEFING AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEGOTIATING OR LITIGATING POSTURE OF THE PUBLIC BODY.
SPECIFICALLY WARREN COUNTY, E D A VERSE, TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL CL NUMBER 2 2 0 4 9.
COUNCILMAN INGRAMS COUNCIL? YES.