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          UH, I'D LIKE TO 
          [I. CALL TO ORDER]
WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, MARCH THE 15TH. 
          UH, MS. POTTER, WOULD YOU DO BE SO KIND AS A CALL ORDER? CHAIRMAN MERTON HERE. 
          VICE CHAIRMAN. 
          WELLS? HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER WOOD? HERE. 
          CHAIRMAN. 
          COMMISSIONER NER? HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS HERE. 
          UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE MAY PROCEED. 
          UH, ARE THERE ANY ADDITION OR DELETION OF ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA? DO WE HAVE ANY ITEMS TO ADD OR DELETE FROM THE AGENDA? HEARING NOTHING. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 
          [IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
FOUR. 
          APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY THE 15TH, 2023. 
          MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          SECOND AND A SECOND. 
          MS. POTTER, WOULD YOU DO A ROLL CALL? VOTE ON THE VOTE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. 
          COMMISSIONER NER? YES. 
          VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WOOD? YES. 
          CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. 
          THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED FROM FEBRUARY THE 15TH, 2023. 
          OUR NEXT SEGMENT IS FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS. 
          THIS IS FOR, UH, ANY ITEM THAT IS NOT ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA TONIGHT. 
          IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, THAT WILL BE THE, UH, COUPLE ITEMS ON OUR LIST HERE. 
          BUT THIS PARTICULAR SESSION RIGHT NOW IS FOR ANYONE THAT WISHES TO COMMENT ON ANY ITEM THAT SHOULD COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK DURING THE CITIZEN COMMENT? SEEING NO ONE? WE NOW AT ITEM 
          [VI. CONSENT AGENDA]
SIX IN OUR AGENDA, OUR CONSENT AGENDA. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR OUR CONSENT AGENDA? MOVE TO PROOF. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          SECOND AND A SECOND FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          MS. POTTER, WOULD YOU READ THE ROLL CALL FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA? VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER NER? YES. 
          CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? YES. 
          VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WOOD? YES. 
          AND THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THOSE, THAT ITEM WILL BE DISCUSSED IN DETAIL, UH, AT THE APRIL THE FIFTH WORK SESSION WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD APRIL 19TH. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. 
          THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT IS 
          [VII. PUBLIC HEARING]
THE, IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR APPLICATION NUMBER 2375, THE WARREN CO COALITION, WHICH IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE USE PERMIT FOR A LODGING HOUSE LOCATED AT 200 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE. 
          UH, BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS PUBLIC HEARING, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, UH, INDICATE TO YOU THE, THE ORDER OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING OR THE, THE WAY THAT WE DO BUSINESS. 
          WITH THAT, THE FIRST ITEM WE WILL HAVE TONIGHT ON THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL GET THE STAFF REPORT. 
          WE'LL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO HAVE A PRESENTATION. 
          WE WILL THEN OPEN THE SESSION TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND WE, WE WILL CLOSE THAT. 
          THERE WILL BE A SHORT TIME THAT THE APPLICANT'S REBUTTAL, UH, WILL BE PERMITTED. 
          UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THAT TIME MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, OR STAFF, AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL VOTE ON SAID PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, WHEN YOU SPEAK TONIGHT, OUR RULES FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING IS, PLEASE DIRECT ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UH, DO NOT ADDRESS THE APPLICANT STAFF OR OTHER SPEAKERS. 
          UH, THE COMMISSION MAY OR MAY NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. 
          UM, A SPECIAL USE REQUEST IS USED TO DETERMINE IF THE PROPOSED USE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA. 
          UH, SIMPLY BECAUSE A USE IS ALLOWED DOES NOT MEAN THAT USE IS APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP, UM, AGAIN, UH, PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CHAIR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AND TRY TO KEEP IT AS CLOSE TO THREE MINUTES, UH, AS POSSIBLE WITH THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS WE HAVE TONIGHT. 
          UM, WHEN YOU TAKE THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND PLEASE CONFINE YOUR COMMENTS TO MATTERS, JERMAINE, 
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TO THE BUSINESS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, REGARDING THE SUBDIVISION ZONING OR LAND USE APPLICATION PRESENTED BEFORE US, UH, POLITICAL OR PERSONAL ATTACKS, UH, ARE NOT PERMITTED. 
          SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, OH, THERE'S THE LIST. 
          WE WILL NOW HAVE STAFF REPORT TO US ON THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE IS TONIGHT SPECIAL USE PERMIT 23 0 75, UH, FOR, UH, FROM THE WARREN COALITION FOR A LODGING HOUSE AT 200 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE. 
          UH, PART OF YOUR PACKAGE, YOU'LL REALIZE THAT A LODGING HOUSE DEFINED BY THE TOWN CODE IS A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING OTHER THAN A HOTEL MOTEL OR BED AND BREAKFAST HOME WHERE LODGING IS PROVIDED FOR COMPENSATION ON A REGULAR BASIS PURSUANT TO PREVIOUS ARRANGEMENTS, WHICH, BUT WHICH IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OR TRANSIENT GUEST. 
          MEALS MAY BE PROVIDED TO THE RESIDENTS IN A CENTRAL LOCATION. 
          HOWEVER, NO PROVISION SHALL BE MADE FOR COOKING IN INDIVIDUAL ROOMS OR UNITS. 
          THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ROOMS OR UNITS SHALL BE CONTROLLED BY THE AREA REQUIREMENTS OF THE DISTRICT IN WHICH THE USE IS LOCATED. 
          BUT IN NO CASE SHALL THE, SHALL THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LODGING ROOMS OR UNITS EXCEED 10. 
          A LODGING HOUSE SHALL BE KNOWN AS A ROOMING HOUSE OR A BOARDING HOUSE. 
          THE STRUCTURE AT, UH, 200 NORTH ROW AVENUE WAS FORMALLY USED AS A LODGING HOUSE FROM 1989 TO 2019 WHEN THE USE WAS DISCONTINUED. 
          TOWN CODE 1 75 1 26 FOR DISCONTINUANCE REQUIRES IF ANY LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING USE IS DISCONTINUED FOR A APPEAR TO SEATING TWO YEARS AFTER AN ENACTMENT OF THIS CHAPTER. 
          IT SHALL BE ABANDONED AND ANY USE THEREAFTER SHALL CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS CHAPTER. 
          HOWEVER, TOWN COUNCIL MAY APPROVE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THE USE TO BE REINSTATED AND CONTINUED WITH THAT SECTION ONE 75,104. 
          THE TOWN CODE REQUIRES ALL NEW USES OR DEVELOPMENTS AND CHANGES. 
          USE SHALL COMPLY WITH THE OFF-STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 1 48, SECTION 1 48, 8 78 2 LODGING AND BOARDING BED AND BREAKFAST REQUIREMENTS FOR OFF-STREET PARKING ARE ONE SPACE PER ROOM AND ADDITIONAL TWO PARKING SPACES FOR EMPLOYEES. 
          IN ADDITION, CHAPTER 1 48, 8 78 7 REQUIRES WITH EXCEPTION OF THE OFF-STREET COMPACT CAR SPACES AND OFF STREET PARALLEL SPACES. 
          OFF STREET PARKING SPACES SHALL INCLUDE AN AREA NOT LESS THAN 162 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS NINE BY 18. 
          AND COMPACT CAR SPACES SHALL INCLUDE AN AREA NOT LESS THAN 144 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS EIGHT BY 18. 
          THE PROPERTY IS LOADED THERE IN THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA AT 200 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE. 
          THAT INTERSECTION, UH, THESE ARE, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS THAT TOWN TOOK OF THE PROPERTY AND SAID DWELLING. 
          THERE'S THE FRONT ENTRANCE, UH, THE VIEW FROM THE SIDE OF THE FRONT, UH, THE REAR PROPERTY, AND ANOTHER, UH, PICTURE OF THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE GRAVEL THERE IN THE BACK THAT HAS SOME AREA FOR PARKING. 
          UH, THE PLAT, UH, THAT WAS SUBMITTED, HAS ENOUGH ROOM TO ACCOMMODATE EIGHT SPACES. 
          THOSE WOULD BE TWO FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND SIX FOR THE RESIDENCE. 
          UH, PART OF THE PROVISION IN YOUR, UH, PACKET IS, UH, PROVISION ON THE PARKING. 
          UH, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR TOWN STAFF? WE'LL, WE'LL RESERVE THE RIGHT TO QUESTION AFTER WE HEAR THE PUBLIC'S COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU, JOHN. 
          GOOD REPORT. 
          UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO, EXCUSE ME, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING. 
          I'M KRISTA SHIFFLET. 
          I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT THE WARREN COALITION. 
          MY HOME ADDRESS IS 35 HUNTERS RIDGE ROAD, WINCHESTER, VIRGINIA 2262. 
          AND YES, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING. 
          UH, WE ARE LOOKING TO OPEN A FACILITY AT 200 NORTH ROYAL FOR UP 
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TO NINE ADULT MALE RESIDENTS. 
          UM, WE WILL HAVE AN ONSITE LIVE-IN HOUSE MANAGER WHO IS ALSO A PEER RECOVERY SPECIALIST. 
          WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN PROVIDE FOOD TO RESIDENTS, WE WILL NOT BE DOING THAT. 
          THEY HAVE ACCESS TO A FULLY PROVISIONED KITCHEN. 
          THEY WILL HAVE THEIR OWN ABILITY TO COOK, BUT WE ARE NOT GONNA BE PROVIDING ANY MEALS TO ANYONE IN THAT FACILITY. 
          I WANTED TO ASK THAT I, I MISSED, SORRY. 
          WHEN YOU ALL HAD THAT BEFORE. 
          AND I WANTED TO STRESS THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE PROVIDING FOOD. 
          I AM NOT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, NOR DO I WANNA WAIT IN THAT WATER. 
          UM, PEOPLE COMING TO THIS PROGRAM WILL COME IN ONE OF A COUPLE OF WAYS. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE AN ACTIVE RECOVERY. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE MEDICAL PEOPLE ON SITE. 
          WE ARE NOT A DETOX FACILITY. 
          PEOPLE COMING TO US WILL HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING IN EITHER INPATIENT OR OUTPATIENT TREATMENT. 
          UM, COMING ON REFERRAL TO US, WHICH WE WILL VERIFY. 
          WE'RE NOT JUST GONNA TAKE THEIR WORD FOR IT. 
          UM, PRESUMABLY THERE WILL BE A REFERRAL PAPER THAT COMES WITH THEM THAT INDICATES THEY ARE IN TREATMENT OF SOME SORT. 
          UH, WE WILL ENCOURAGE THEM TO CONTINUE THAT. 
          ONCE THEY'RE IN THE HOUSE, THEY WILL BE ASSIGNED A PEER SUPPORT SPECIALIST. 
          SO THEY HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S WORKING WITH THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          WE INTEND TO HAVE MEETINGS, PSYCHOSOCIAL EDUCATION. 
          THERE IS A CURRICULUM CALLED R ONE, WHICH IS A CURRICULUM THAT WE'VE INVESTED IN THAT MOVES THROUGH MULTIPLE AREAS THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO FIND RECOVERY NEED TO ADDRESS, UH, MIGHT BE STAGES OF CHANGE OR IT MIGHT BE FINDING A JOB OR THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. 
          WE WILL PROVIDE HELP FOR THEM TO FIND A JOB IF THEY WANNA GO TO SCHOOL, WILL PROVIDE THAT SUPPORT AS WELL. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THINGS LIKE IF THEY NEED WORK BOOTS TO GO TO A JOB, WE HAVE MONEY. 
          WE'LL MAKE SURE THEY CAN BE ACTIVELY EMPLOYED AND HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO HAVE A JOB. 
          UM, WE'RE ANTICIPATING IF THEY FOLLOW THE RULES THAT THEY WILL STAY SIX TO NINE MONTHS. 
          WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THEM BASED ON WHAT THEY OWE IN COURT, FINES, CHILD SUPPORT, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. 
          UM, HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL SAVINGS PLAN. 
          THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT THEY AGREED TO IN THE BEGINNING. 
          WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO SAVE SOME MONEY IF THEY OWE FINES, IF THEY OWE CHILD SUPPORT, THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, AND FOLLOWING WHATEVER. 
          IF THEY'RE UNDER SOME SORT OF LEGAL CONSTRAINT THAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE, THE LAW HAS ASKED THEM TO DO, UH, WE WILL REGULARLY DRUG TEST. 
          UH, A POSITIVE TEST WILL BE MEANS FOR IMMEDIATE DISMISSAL. 
          UM, THEY ARE WELCOME TO COME BACK ONCE THEY'VE GONE BACK TO TREATMENT. 
          THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'VE FOUND THEIR FEET, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA LET ANYONE ELSE BE SICK IF SOMEONE ELSE RELAPSES. 
          UM, THEY JUST, THEY HAVE TO GO. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE TAKING THAT VERY SERIOUSLY. 
          WE ARE INVOLVED WITH A COMPANY CALLED THE FLETCHER GROUP, WHO'S BEEN GIVING US TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. 
          THEY RUN MULTIPLE, UH, RECOVERY RESIDENCES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND, UM, HAVE BEEN GIVING US VERY GOOD SUPPORT ABOUT THINGS TO DO AND THINGS TO NOT DO. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST HOUSE WE'VE EVER HAD. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE LEADS FROM PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. 
          UM, WE WILL NOT ALLOW SEX OFFENDERS IN THIS HOUSE. 
          WE DO WANT THE DADS TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SEE THEIR CHILDREN AND COME ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANNA PLAY IN THE YARD OR DAD WANTS TO MAKE SOME BURGERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY, UM, HAVING A SEX OFFENDER ON THE PREMISES VIOLATES THEIR PROBATION, BUT ALSO PUTS CHILDREN AT RISK. 
          SO WE WILL NOT ALLOW SEX OFFENDERS. 
          UH, LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE. 
          UH, DEFINITELY WE PLAN TO HAVE NAA A MEETINGS IN THE HOUSE AND PEOPLE DO HAVE TO HAVE A JOB. 
          THEY WILL BE REQUIRED, AS I SAID, WE'LL HELP THEM FIND IT, BUT WE EXPECT THEM TO BE GAINFULLY EMPLOYED. 
          THEY WILL PAY FOR INDIVIDUAL LODGING, UM, IN THE FACILITY. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          WE ARE AWARE OF THE PARKING. 
          WE DID. 
          UM, WE DID, UH, COMMISSION THE SURVEY, AND SO WE KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOTTA BE ADDRESSED WITH THE LANDLORD BEFORE WE CAN HAVE TENDENCY THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? OR WE CAN WAIT TILL AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ASK QUESTIONS IF WE WISH. 
          IS THAT OKAY? MM-HMM. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UH, MICHELLE SMELTZER, OUR FIRST SPEAKER. 
          HI, MY NAME IS MICHELLE SELZER AND, AND I LIVE AT SIX MORAN STREET FRONT, ROYAL VIRGINIA, 20 2006 30. 
          UM, I AM NOT PERSONALLY INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT, BUT I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          AND, AND WITH THE WARREN COALITION, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW. 
          AND I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER ORGANIZATION OR PERSON, AS IN KRISTA TO HEAD SOMETHING LIKE THIS UP. 
          UM, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF GREAT WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY OVER THE YEARS, AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY NEEDED, UM, WITH THE DRUG COURT COMING SOON, HOPEFULLY THIS WILL FIT RIGHT IN WITH 
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WHAT THAT PROGRAM IS GOING TO OFFER. 
          AND, UM, AND WE NEED SOMEWHERE FOR THESE FOLKS TO GO. 
          YOU KNOW, WE WORK, I WORK WITH THEM EVERY DAY. 
          AND, UH, IF THEY HAVE SOMEWHERE THAT THEY CAN GO THAT'S SAFE AND THEY CAN CONTINUE THEIR RECOVERY JOURNEY, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A WIN FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO I HOPE YOU VOTE TO APPROVE THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT SPEAKER, PHIL KELO VAKA. 
          I HOPE I PRONOUNCED THAT CORRECTLY, SARAH. 
          CLOSE ENOUGH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME'S PHIL SLAKA AND I LIVE AT THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY BEHIND AND TO THE RIGHT OF 200 NORTH ROYAL. 
          UH, MY ADDRESS IS TWO 11 VIRGINIA AVENUE. 
          UM, WHILE THESE OTHER SPEAKERS DON'T LIVE DIRECTLY HERE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN THIS SPECIFIC, UH, BLOCK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DRUG RELATED ISSUES, UM, ON, IN THE 200 BLOCK OF VIRGINIA AVENUE, I PERSONALLY, IN MY YARD, AM CONSTANTLY FINDING CELLOPHANE WRAPPERS. 
          I'VE WATCHED DRUG DEALS ON MY SECURITY CAMERAS TAKE PLACE, UM, COUNTLESS TIMES. 
          I, UM, AM CONSTANTLY FINDING BROKEN BEER BOTTLES IN MY YARD, IN MY MULCH THAT I HAVE TO PICK UP. 
          WHEN I'VE ASKED THESE, UM, PEOPLE THAT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM US TO PLEASE WALK AROUND OUR PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY GO DIRECTLY ACROSS, UH, THIS HOUSE. 
          I'VE BEEN CURSED OUT IN FRONT OF MY THREE YOUNG CHILDREN WHO ARE UNDER THE AGE OF FOUR. 
          WHEN I CALLED THE POLICE TO ASK FOR HELP AND ASKED FOR ADVICE ON WHAT I SHOULD DO, THEY TOLD ME TO BUILD A FENCE. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          UM, I HAVE FOUND A KNIFE ON THE BACK, ON THE DECK OUTSIDE MY OLDEST DAUGHTER'S BEDROOM WINDOW. 
          THERE'S CONSTANTLY, UH, HORNS BLASTING THROUGH THE NIGHT WHEN THE POLICE ARE CALLED. 
          THEY'VE BEEN TOLD, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO STAY THERE FOR 10 DAYS BEFORE THEY CAN DO ANYTHING. 
          WE'VE HAD FIREWORKS SHOT AT OUR HOUSE. 
          WE'VE HAD, UM, THE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET RENT ROOMS FOR VERY LIMITED TIME PERIODS FOR CHEAP, UM, RATES, AND THEY'RE CONSTANTLY IN AND OUT. 
          WHEN I EMAILED WITH CHIEFS OF, UM, THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, HIS RESPONSE TO ME WAS, I FORWARDED THE INFORMATION TO BOTH OUR DRUG UNIT AND PATROL AS WELL. 
          THEY'LL PROVIDE SOME MORE ATTENTION TO THAT RESIDENCE. 
          IT'S OWNED BY ONE OF OUR MORE PROBLEMATIC LANDLORDS. 
          WE CART OFF THE PROBLEMS AND THEN THEY'RE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY REPLACED, BUT WE'LL DO OUR BEST. 
          UM, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THERE'S NOT MUCH THE TOWN CAN DO TO HELP US WITH OUR SITUATION. 
          AND IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, ADDING A, UM, RECOVERY FACILITY DIRECTLY BEHIND, UM, A HOUSE THAT ALREADY HAS SIGNIFICANT DRUG PROBLEMS. FOR INSTANCE, WE'VE WATCHED, UH, MY DAUGHTERS WATCHED AS A, UM, SOMEONE ON METH WAS CLIMBING ON TOP OF POLICE CARS, NEIGHBORS CARS, DAMAGING CARS. 
          AND THERE WAS NOTHING THE POLICE COULD DO CUZ IT WAS RIGHT AFTER THE GEORGE FLOYD INCIDENT. 
          AND, UM, IT WAS TRAUMATIZING FOR MY WIFE AND I. 
          WE LOOKED AT MOVING. 
          UM, BUT WE DO LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THERE'S TONS OF YOUNG FAMILIES CLOSE BY. 
          UH, WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS, BUT WE HAVE A CURRENT PROBLEM HERE AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP THAT PROBLEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          NEXT SPEAKER, RUSTY SOUTHERLY. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME'S RUSTY SOUTHERLY. 
          I LIVE AT, UH, 6 28 WATSON AVENUE, WINCHESTER, VIRGINIA 20 2601. 
          UM, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH FOR THE WARRANT COLLISION. 
          UM, AS A PERSON IN ACTIVE OF RECOVERY, UH, I GOT OUT OF, UH, UH, JAIL AND THAT'S WHERE I MISSED. 
          I MET MS. TRISTA SHIFFLET AND I TOOK HER DRUG PROGRAM WHILE IN JAIL. 
          AND WHAT I LEARNED IN HER PROGRAM CHANGED MY LIFE. 
          UM, SINCE I'VE BEEN OUT, UM, WHILE I GOT MY JOB, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION TO AND FROM WORK. 
          UM, JAMES FUNKHOUSER AND, AND MIKEY HALL, UH, WOUND UP COMING TO TAKE ME TO WORK FROM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY LIVE IN SHANDOR COUNTY, COMING ALL THE WAY TO WINCHESTER TO TAKE ME WORK, YOU KNOW, UM, THE WARRANT COLLISION BOUGHT MY STEEL TOE BOOTS TO GO TO WORK CUZ I NEEDED STEEL TOE BOOTS WHERE I WAS WORKING AT. 
          UM, I'VE LIVED OVER HERE IN FRONT ROW. 
          I LOVE THIS TOWN. 
          UM, I REALLY FEEL LIKE A RECOVERY CENTER OVER HERE 
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WOULD BE AWESOME. 
          UH, WINCHESTER'S GOT PLENTY OF THEM AND I THINK WARREN COUNTY REALLY NEEDS, NEEDS, WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO PUT IN EFFECT, UH, I WOULD DEFINITELY, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIVE THERE. 
          I WOULD DEFINITELY TRY TO GET IN THERE AND LIVE THERE AS A PERSON. 
          IN ACT OF RECOVERY, WHAT I'VE SEEN IS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING AND THE DEALING, THEY TRY TO, I MEAN, ONCE THEY KNOW THAT YOU'RE IN ACTIVE RECOVERY, THEY STAY AWAY FROM YOU. 
          SO THIS, THIS GUY'S SAYING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DRUG DEALING AND STUFF IN THAT AREA, I SEE NOTHING POSITIVE FOR PEOPLE IN RECOVERY. 
          I GO TO AA MEETINGS, THE NA MEETINGS EVERY NIGHT OF THE WEEK, AND I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE A BIG FAMILY AND THEY, THEY, THEY WELCOMED YOU WITH OPEN ARMS, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT THE WAR AND COLLISION DOES TOO. 
          SO I THINK FRONT ROYAL REALLY NEEDS, REALLY NEEDS THIS, UH, THIS PROGRAM HERE. 
          AND I THINK HE'LL DO A LOT, LOT OF GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK HE'LL SEE IF, IF AND WHEN THIS PLACE OPENS, HE'LL SEE A LOT OF CHANGES IN THE AREA. 
          THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          NEXT SPEAKER. 
          JAMES FUNK HAUSER. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS JAMES FUNKHOUSER. 
          I'M FROM 5 47 WASHINGTON STREET, WOODSTOCK, VIRGINIA, UH, 22 8 6 64. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, I'M A PEER RECOVERY SPECIALIST WITH THE WARREN COALITION. 
          CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN I, WHEN I GOT OUT AND GOT INVOLVED IN RECOVERY, YOU KNOW, I HAD TO SEEK TREATMENT THREE HOURS AWAY AND SOBER LIVING. 
          I STAYED IN A HOUSE JUST LIKE WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO START FOR SIX MONTHS IN RICHMOND IN ORDER TO, AND, YOU KNOW, GET MY RECOVERY STARTED BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING HERE OR EVEN CLOSE TO WHERE I LIVE IN SHANDO COUNTY ANYWHERE. 
          FOR ME TO DO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, FOR ME TO GET HELP IN TRANSITIONING BACK TO THE STREET AND LIVING A SOBER LIFE, I NEEDED THIS TYPE OF STABILITY THAT A RECOVERY HOUSE PROVIDES. 
          AND I HAD TO GO HOURS AND HOURS AWAY TO DO THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, I WAS ABLE TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, AND NOW COMING UP IN TWO WEEKS, LIKE I'LL BE CELEBRATING FOUR YEARS OF IN ACTIVE RECOVERY DUE TO MAKING THOSE THINGS, DOING THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HOUSE LIKE THIS IS DESIGNED ONLY TO HELP PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING OUTTA TREATMENT THAT WANT TO CHANGE THEIR LIVES. 
          YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WE WANT TO TRY TO CATER TO. 
          YOU KNOW, I WORKED WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY NOW AS A PEER RECOVERY SPECIALIST. 
          YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST YEAR I THINK I'VE SENT APPROXIMATELY 40 PEOPLE EITHER TO TREATMENT OR TO RECOVERY HOUSES LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, AND EVERY PLACE I HAVE TO SEND THESE PEOPLE ARE HOURS AND HOURS AWAY, YOU KNOW, AND THEN A LOT OF TIMES, LIKE WHERE THEY LACK IN, THEY'RE GETTING THE RECOVERY, BUT THEY'RE NOT BE ABLE TO GET THE SUPPORT FROM THEIR FAMILIES AND GET THEIR LIVES BACK TOGETHER. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE'RE BRINGING THEM BACK HOME AND THEY'RE READY TO COME HOME, WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO BRING 'EM TO WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THAT SUPPORT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THIS HOUSE IS GONNA BE DESIGNED TO DO, SO THAT THEY CAN FURTHER THEIR RECOVERY AND HELP THEMSELVES GET WELL. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO HELP PEOPLE GET WELL. 
          UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL I GOT. 
          THANKS FOR. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          NEXT SPEAKER. 
          CHRISTINE MAHONEY. 
          HELLO, MY NAME'S CHRISTINE MAHONEY. 
          UM, MY HOME ADDRESS IS 7 0 5 WEST 11TH STREET, BUT I'M CURRENTLY HAVING TO LIVE IN WINCHESTER AT, UH, OXFORD HOUSE, UH, RECOVERY HOUSE. 
          UM, BECAUSE THERE IS NO PLACE LIKE THIS IN THIS AREA, I HAVE FOUR CHILDREN ALL UNDER THE AGE OF 15 THAT, YOU KNOW, I, LIKE JAMES WAS SAYING, HAD TO GO TO TREATMENT THREE HOURS AWAY. 
          I'VE HAD TO DO RECOVERY IN, YOU KNOW, THAT FAR AWAY FROM ALL MY KIDS BETWEEN THE AGES OF 14 AND EIGHT MONTHS OLD. 
          SO, UM, I HAVE BEEN AN ACTIVE USER FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS IN THE COUNTY OF WARREN. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WAS NEVER ANYTHING LIKE THIS HAD I KNOWN THAT THERE WAS PLACES LIKE THIS OUT THERE, I MIGHT'VE GOT CLEAN A LOT SOONER, BUT THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT AROUND HERE. 
          SO I WAS VERY UNAWARE THAT THERE WAS EVEN, THAT WAS EVEN EVER EVEN AN OPTION. 
          UM, DURING, I'VE BEEN IN OUR JAIL A LOT DURING MY STAYS. 
          UM, MS. CHRISTOS BROUGHT IN DIFFERENT CLASSES, UH, RE-ENTRY CLASSES, 
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DRUG AND ALCOHOL EDUCATION, AS WELL AS ANGER MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THINGS THAT I UTILIZED IN THE BEGINNING BEFORE, YOU KNOW, RE-ENTERING INTO SOCIETY SO THAT I COULD START WORKING ON MYSELF. 
          UM, THE HELP THAT THEY'VE GIVEN ME IN SAVING MY LIFE IS INSURMOUNTABLE. 
          LIKE, I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO DESCRIBE FROM HELPING ME WORK ON MYSELF TO HELPING ME WITH MY KIDS, TO HELPING ME GET A JOB, TO, UM, HELPING ME GET TO MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING. 
          JUST SOMEBODY TO TALK TO. 
          UM, IT'S A GREAT COMP, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION AND I DEFINITELY THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED IN THIS AREA, CUZ THE WAY I SEE IT, WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE THOSE ACTIVE DRUG USERS THAT THEY'RE BEING MENTIONED? OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN RECOVERY AND WANT BETTER LIVING IN YOUR COMMUNITY? THANKS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, MICHAEL HALL. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          I'M MICHAEL HALL. 
          MY ADDRESS IS FOUR 13 WEST SPRING STREET, WOODSTOCK, VIRGINIA, 22 2 22 6 64. 
          SO I AM A PEER RECOVERY SPECIALIST AS WELL WITH THE WARREN COALITION. 
          AND I WILL ACTUALLY BE THE HOUSE MANAGER WHEN IT OPENS. 
          UH, I TOO AM IN ACTIVE RECOVERY. 
          I HAVE ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF NOW, AND IT WAS JUST A YEAR AND A HALF AGO THAT MY LIFE SEEMED HOPELESS AND I WAS DOING THINGS THAT I COMPLETELY REGRET AND I WAS NOT THE PERSON THAT I WANTED TO BE, BUT I WENT TO A WONDERFUL PLACE CALLED THE PHOENIX HOUSE. 
          AND WHILE THERE, I GOT THE TREATMENT THAT I NEEDED AND ABILITY TO GET MY MIND STRAIGHT. 
          AND I MET A WONDERFUL COUNSELOR THERE WHO ENCOURAGED ME TO BECOME A PEER RECOVERY SPECIALIST BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT THAT I SAW THAT I WOULD LOVE TO HELP PEOPLE. 
          AND WHEN I GOT HOME, I MET JAMES AND HE INTRODUCED ME TO MS. KRISTA AND THE COALITION WAS KIND ENOUGH TO PAY FOR ME TO TAKE MY PEER RECOVERY CLASS. 
          AND, UH, NOW THEY'RE WONDERFUL ENOUGH TO EMPLOY ME. 
          AND I THINK THINGS LIKE THAT ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE WILL STILL OFFER THAT TO SOME PEOPLE. 
          AND THE THING IS, IS MOST OF US ADDICTS, WHAT WE NEED MOST IS HOPE LIKE, AND WHEN WE GET HOME, WHAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF HOPE. 
          YOU HAVE IT WHEN YOU FIRST LEAVE, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO WITH SUPPORT AND LOVE, LIKE I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH, MY MOTHER TOOK ME BACK IN TO GIVE ME A STABLE, SAFE ENVIRONMENT TO GO TO AND LET ME, AND ALLOW ME TO HELP REBUILD MY LIFE. 
          BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION. 
          LIKE THIS HOUSE WILL GIVE PEOPLE A GOOD, SAFE ENVIRONMENT WITH HELPFUL HUMAN BEINGS THAT HAVE BEEN WHERE THEY'VE BEEN LIKE, I'VE BEEN IN THEIR SAME SHOES, I'VE WANTED RECOVERY AND I'VE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO GET IT. 
          AND ONCE I GOT IT, I KEPT RUNNING WITH IT. 
          BUT IT WAS THROUGH THE HELP OF PEOPLE LIKE THE COALITION AND NA AND COUNSELORS, WHICH WE WILL ALSO BE OFF OFFERING COUNSELING. 
          LIKE WITHOUT THOSE THINGS, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD BE HERE TODAY STILL. 
          LIKE, BUT IT IS, YOU NEED THAT HOPE, YOU NEED THAT SUPPORT. 
          AND WITHOUT IT LIKE IT, IT DOESN'T USUALLY END UP WELL FOR A LOT OF US, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          AND THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S WHAT THIS HOUSE WILL PROVIDE. 
          LIKE WE HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A STRUCTURE. 
          THEY'RE GONNA HAVE HOUSE CHORES TO DO, LIKE WE SAID, THEY'RE GONNA PAY THEIR RENT, THEY'RE GONNA GO TO WORK. 
          I'LL DRUG TEST THEM RANDOMLY ONCE A WEEK. 
          LIKE I'LL HELP THEM GET TO MEETINGS. 
          I HAVE A CAR IN MY LICENSE, I WILL TAKE THEM TO NA MEETINGS. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE NA MEETINGS IN THE HOUSE AS WELL. 
          AND I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE THEM STABILITY FOR MAYBE THE FIRST TIME IN THEIR LIFE IN A LONG TIME. 
          AND I THINK THAT ONCE THEY GET THAT STABILITY, THEY CAN GO BACK OUT AND THEY'LL BE PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY. 
          I KNOW IT BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT EVERY DAY THAT I WALK IN TO NARCOTICS ANONYMOUS AND I WORK WITH OTHER ADDICTS AND OTHER PEOPLE IN RECOVERY. 
          I SEE THAT THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE SUPPORT AND HELP AND LOVE, THAT THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANNA DO WITH THEIR LIFE AND BE THE PEOPLE THAT EVERYBODY WANTS THEM TO BE. 
          BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT SECOND CHANCE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE SAY OUR COUNTRY'S BUILT ON. 
          BUT IT'S HARD TO GET THAT SECOND CHANCE WHEN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING DOWN ON YOU. 
          BUT WE HAVE A GREAT GUY THAT WORKS FOR US THAT HELPS THEM FIND JOBS REGARDLESS OF THEIR RECORD AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          AND WE KNOW PEOPLE THAT WILL GIVE US A CHANCE. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS HOUSE IS GONNA PROVIDE AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY WILL BE A LOT BETTER FOR IT. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR ALL'S TIME. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          MR. BRANDON BUTLER WILL BE OUR NEXT PUBLIC SPEAKER. 
          [00:30:05]
GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS BRANDON BUTLER. 
          I RESIDE AT 1972 ARTS ROAD, WOODSTOCK, VIRGINIA, 20 2006 64. 
          UM, I HAVE YOUR SON, YOUR BROTHER, YOUR NEPHEW. 
          I DON'T KNOW OF MANY FAMILIES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN AFFECTED BY ADDICTION OR ALCOHOLISM IN SOME WAY OR FORM. 
          UM, OUR PROBLEM IS CONNECTIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS. 
          WE, WE DON'T TRUST PEOPLE. 
          WE, WE, WE LOVE TO ISOLATE. 
          I WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH TWO OF THE, UH, PEER RECOVERY SPECIALISTS OUT OF, UH, WARREN COALITION. 
          AND I CAN'T BEGIN TO SHOW MY GRATITUDE FOR WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN MY LIFE IN SUCH A VERY SHORT TIME. 
          UM, THEY'VE GIVEN ME, OPENED MY MIND, MY HEART UP TO SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES, UM, ALLOWED ME TO SHARE THINGS WITH THEM. 
          AND THEY, THEY, THEY ARE DEDICATING THEIR WORKING CAREERS RIGHT NOW TO PEOPLE WITH STRUGGLING WITH ADDICTION AND HELPING THEM GET INTO RECOVERY AND LEARN WHAT IT IS. 
          UM, I LIVED ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY AND THERE ARE NOT MANY TOWNS THAT ARE EXCLUDED FROM HAVING A SIGNIFICANT DRUG PROBLEM. 
          WE HAVE THAT HERE. 
          THAT'S, IT'S EVIDENT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED SOMEWHERE TO GO TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A SENSE OF SELF-WORTH TO, TO, TO RESTORE OUR CONFIDENCE IN OURSELVES. 
          CUZ THAT'S WHAT WE'VE LOST. 
          AND WE PAY OUR DUES AND THEN WE NEED TO LEARN A NEW WAY TO LIVE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT A HOUSE LIKE THIS DOES. 
          AND FROM MY EXPERIENCE, I'VE BEEN AN ADDICT FOREVER, 20 YEARS OF MY LIFE. 
          YOU PUT A RECOVERY HOUSE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, IT KIND OF PUSHES AWAY THE, THE, THE ELEMENTS IF THEY'RE THERE BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO TALK TO AN EX ADDICT WHO'S IN RECOVERY IF THEY'RE CURRENTLY USING. 
          CUZ YOU DON'T WANNA REALLY HEAR ANYTHING THEY HAVE TO SAY. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, STEVEN BIKER. 
          THIS, THIS IS MY WIFE. 
          CLAUDIA. 
          CLAUDIA, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IS SHE, UM, IS SHE GONNA SPEAK ALSO? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT, UH, STEVE BEAKER LIVE AT TWO 16 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE. 
          UM, RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE BUILDING. 
          UH, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH WHAT MR. PHIL HAD SAID EARLIER. 
          UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PROBLEMS AROUND HERE. 
          UH, AS FAR AS THE YELLOW HOUSE AROUND US, WE HAVE MADE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS TO TRY TO GET SOMEBODY TO COME OUT AND ACTUALLY NEXT DOOR AT THE BANK WHERE THERE WAS DRUG DEALS MADE, UM, NOTHING WAS TAKEN CARE OF. 
          WE DID BUILD A FENCE. 
          UM, I WANTED, I AM IN A COMMERCIAL ZONE. 
          I AM IN A HISTORIC ZONE. 
          I HAVE TO FOLLOW CERTAIN, UM, CRITERIA IN ORDER FOR ME TO PUT A FENCE UP. 
          I AM COMMERCIAL. 
          I FELT THAT I WAS ABLE TO PUT 10 FOOT UP. 
          I WAS ONLY ABLE TO PUT SIX. 
          UM, I DO THAT TO BLOCK IT FROM MY KIDS. 
          SEEING THAT DRUG DEALS NEXT DOOR, I FOUND NEEDLES IN MY YARD. 
          UM, I LIVED THERE WHEN, UH, THERE WAS A MENTALLY CHALLENGED HOME OVER THERE. 
          I BELIEVE WE DID HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THESE GUYS, UM, COMING OUT, UH, BLURTING OUT FOUL LANGUAGE WHILE MY KIDS WERE OUTSIDE. 
          UH, WE DID MAKE SOME COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY THEY MOVED FROM THERE. 
          UM, I DO WANNA APPLAUD THESE GUYS FOR, UM, GOING INTO RECOVERY. 
          I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING. 
          UH, BUT ALCOHOLISM IS A DISEASE. 
          UH, IF THEY ARE GOING IN THERE AND GOD FORBID THEY RELAPSE, THEN WHAT KIDS ARE AROUND THERE. 
          UH, THE BUILDING'S ALSO IN A DRUG-FREE ZONE, SCHOOL ZONE. 
          SO I DON'T BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR OUR TOWN. 
          UM, I LOVE THE TOWN. 
          I STAND UP FOR IT. 
          UH, WE MOVED HERE BECAUSE OF WHAT THIS TOWN, UH, GIVES TO US AND OFFERS US. 
          UH, I REALLY WOULD HATE TO MOVE IF THIS WAS TO COME THROUGH. 
          THAT IS AN OPTION FOR ME. 
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OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, NEXT SPEAKER. 
          CLAUDIA. 
          MICHAEL. 
          CLAUDIA BEAKER. 
          UM, SHOULD I SAY WHERE I LIVE, TWO 16 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE, RIGHT NEXT TO, UM, MY CONCERNS ARE THE FACT THAT IT, THE PROGRAM SEEMS TO BE VERY GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT, UH, THERE'S NOT MUCH EXPERIENCE. 
          IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WITH THE MANAGER WHO WOULD BE THERE, THEY DON'T, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S GOING TO, THEY HAVE THE, WHAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE. 
          UM, MY ALSO WORRIES IS, UM, THE FAMILIES THAT WILL COME TO VISIT THE, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE LIVING THERE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY A PROBLEM FOR THE ADDICTS, IT'S ALSO A FAMILY PRO, UH, PROBLEM THAT THEY TEND TO HAVE. 
          I, MY FAMILY HAS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HELP ADDICTS IN THE PAST AND UNFORTUNATELY WE WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL. 
          SO WE FOCUSED ON HELPING THEIR CHILDREN. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY WE HAD TO CUT THE COMPLETELY THE FRI THE CHILDREN AS WELL BECAUSE OF THE, UH, OF, OF WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN. 
          AND THEY HAVE LIVED BECAUSE OF THE ADDICTION AND ALCOHOL PROBLEMS OF THEIR PARENTS. 
          AND THAT WAS, THAT'S GETS THROUGH OUR CHILDREN. 
          SO MY WORRY IS THE FACT THAT THIS IS NEW. 
          I MEAN, I SEE THAT IT'S A GOOD, IT COULD BE A GOOD PROGRAM FOR, FOR THEM, BUT IT'S ALSO NEW. 
          THERE'S NO, UH, EXPERIENCE AND THERE'S NO BACKUP TO SEE THAT. 
          IT WAS ACTUALLY, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? SUCCESSFUL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING NEW COMING IN. 
          WE CAN'T REALLY SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO WORK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT WAS OUR LAST SPEAKER THAT SIGNED UP. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? SECOND CALL FOR ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, I WOULD COME FORWARD PLEASE PLACE. 
          MY NAME IS YVONNE ROTOR AND I LIVE AT 14 0 3 MACEDONIA CHURCH ROAD IN STEPHEN CITY, VIRGINIA. 
          AND I, UH, COULD YOU PUT THE MICRO I DO, UH, COULD YOU PUT THE MICROPHONE CLOSE TO YOURSELF? I'M, I'M SHORT . 
          I KNOW, BUT I DO A RECOVERY CLASS OUT AT, UM, RS W I GO EVERY WEEK. 
          AND I'VE BEEN GOING OUT THERE FOR NINE YEARS. 
          I'VE NEVER HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING MS. KRISTA, BUT I HEAR A LOT ABOUT MS. KRISTA AND SHE'S MADE A LOT OF IMPACT ON THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE OUT THERE AND CLEARLY IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I AM HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE ISSUES WITH THE, WITH THE GIRLS. 
          I DO THE, UH, WOMEN'S CLASS IS THAT THEY CAN GET THEMSELVES MENTALLY IN A BETTER PLACE, BUT THEY ALWAYS HAVE A FEAR. 
          THEIR NUMBER ONE FEAR IS HAVING TO GO BACK TO THE PLACE THAT IS NOT SAFE FOR THEM. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE SAFE PLACES TO GO. 
          AND IT'S LIKE JAMES SAID, YOU HAVE TO GO, UM, HOURS AWAY AND IT'S KIND OF HARD AS YOU, AS YOU PART OF RECOVERY, UM, TO BE SUCCESSFUL IS INCORPORATING FAMILY, YOUR CHILDREN AND STUFF IN THAT LATER ON. 
          AND IT IS A PROBLEM SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE HOURS AWAY. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THE HOUSE WOULD BE, UH, VERY SUCCESSFUL. 
          I I KNOW THAT THERE IS, UM, A LOT OF, UH, EXPERIENCE THAT MS. KRISTA HAS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE OVERSEEING THIS. 
          AND IT'S NOT IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, IF A PROBLEM COMES UP, IT'S DEALT WITH IMMEDIATELY AND IT'S JUST NIPPED IN THE BUD, SO TO SPEAK. 
          SO IT IS NOT LIKE IT WOULD BE AN ONGOING THING. 
          IT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF IMMEDIATELY. 
          SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE, UM, CAN ONLY REMAIN SUCCESSFUL WHEN, UH, EVERYTHING'S IN ORDER IN THE HOUSE. 
          SO I, UM, HOPE THAT THAT HAPPENED AND THAT LATER THERE CAN EVEN HAVE WOMEN, A PLACE FOR THE WOMEN TO BE SAFE AT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COULD YOU DO SOMETHING FOR ME, MA'AM? COULD YOU PUT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ON THIS FORM? UH, MS. POTTER HAS AN INK PEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ANYONE ELSE? SECOND CALL. 
          THIRD AND FINAL CALL. 
          SEEING NO ONE COMING FORWARD, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC 
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HEARING. 
          UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? MR. WAGONS? MR. COMMISSIONER, I WANTED TO ASK, UM, MS. SHIFFLET, IF YOU'LL COME TO THE PODIUM PLEASE. 
          YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS WOULD COME WITH REFERRALS AND THEY WOULDN'T JUST BE SHOWING UP. 
          WHO OR WHAT ENTITY WOULD THOSE REFERRALS BE COMING FROM? SO THEY WOULD BE COMING FROM TREATMENT AGENCIES. 
          SO NATIONAL CAPITAL REHAB IS WHEN WE TAKE PEOPLE TO FREQUENTLY, IT'S DOWN IN FAIRFAX COUNTY AREA. 
          UH, WE SEND PEOPLE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PYRAMID IN NEWPORT NEWS FOR TREATMENT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          UM, TRC, WHICH IS, WE, THEY WOULDN'T REFER TO US RIGHT NOW. 
          THEY'RE A FEMALE GROUP IN WINCHESTER. 
          WE SEND THE FEMALES THERE, THE WAR FOUNDATION IN RICHMOND, MCIN FOUNDATION IN RICHMOND. 
          UH, WE'RE SEND THEM DOWN TO, WE JUST GOT ONE IN FROM GALAX, UM, THAT ARE LOCAL PEOPLE THAT ARE IN TREATMENT THAT FAR AWAY. 
          UH, BECAUSE INPATIENT JUST DOESN'T EXIST CLOSE. 
          WE DO SEND PEOPLE TO INTENSIVE OUTPATIENT. 
          THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF THOSE GROUPS IN WINCHESTER MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WE WOULD GET REFERRALS FROM THEM IF THEY HAD THEM COMING BACK THAT DIRECTION. 
          UM, AND OTHER PLACES THAT THEY KNOW. 
          BUT WE ARE REALLY, WE CANNOT LEGALLY TELL PEOPLE IF THEY'RE FROM FAIRFAX THAT THEY CAN'T COME TO THE HOUSE. 
          BUT WE ARE REALLY PUSHING THIS FOR PEOPLE FROM WARREN PAGE AND SHENANDOAH, THE LOWER PART OF THE PLANNING DISTRICT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY HOUSING. 
          UM, WE, WE ARE CURRENTLY SPENDING MONEY TO PUT PEOPLE IN OXFORD HOUSES UP IN WINCHESTER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE FOR THEM TO GO. 
          SO WE ARE COVERING, UH, THE DEPOSIT IN THE FIRST TWO WEEKS RENT FOR FOLKS WHO ARE FROM HERE, UM, TO PUT THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THEN HOPE THEY FIND JOBS. 
          BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES, THEY'RE AWAY FROM THEIR CHILDREN. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE, A LOT OF TIMES THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DRIVE. 
          RUSTY WAS DESCRIBING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RUNNING 'EM BACK AND FORTH TO WORK IN WINCHESTER BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE PUT HIM IN HOUSING. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHERE HE GOT A JOB. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT ISN'T SUSTAINABLE OVER THE LONG TERM. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT JUST IS SOMETHING FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER IS MY UNDERSTANDING, DRUG COURT IS COMING HERE THE BEGINNING OF JULY. 
          AND PART OF DRUG COURT, AT LEAST FROM WINCHESTER, IS THAT THEY DO HAVE HOUSING AND THEY DO HAVE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FOLKS THAT THEY REFER TO DRUG COURT. 
          UM, AND THEY WANT PLACES FOR THEM TO LIVE. 
          SO THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          ERIN DOOLEY, WHO'S THE COORDINATOR, I'VE REACHED OUT TO HER FOR THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR HOUSING FOR THE FOLKS IN THE DRUG COURT. 
          AND, UM, WE'D LIKE TO OFFER THAT STABILITY TO THEM ONCE THEY ARE, WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS STABLE. 
          WE ARE NOT GONNA TAKE PEOPLE WHO ARE UNSTABLE. 
          AND I REALIZE THIS IS A RELAPSING ILLNESS. 
          I REALIZE PEOPLE DO RELAPSE. 
          WE WILL, IF THEY TEST POSITIVE FOR A SUBSTANCE, THAT'S THE WAY TO MAKE A HOUSE COLLAPSE. 
          THEY HAVE TO GO, THEY CANNOT STAY. 
          AND THAT IS JUST, THAT IS JUST THAT THEY CANNOT STAY. 
          WE WILL TRY TO GET 'EM INTO TREATMENT IF THEY'RE WILLING TO GO AND HELP 'EM FIND THEIR FEET AGAIN. 
          WE CAN'T MAKE THEM. 
          UM, BUT WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE AS WELL AS THEY'RE WILLING TO BE. 
          AND IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING, I'M NOT IN CHARGE OF THAT, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          UM, BUT WE, AND WE HAVE DRUGS IN THE HOUSE. 
          I ASSURE YOU WE WILL CALL THE POLICE. 
          I ASSURE YOU WE WILL ASK THEM TO BE CHARGED. 
          AND THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE FRONT ROYAL PD ARE MEMBERS OF THE COALITION. 
          UM, AND WE WORKED ACTIVELY WITH BOTH OF THOSE AGENCIES AS WELL AS THE DRUG TASK FORCE. 
          SO I'M NOT ABOUT DRUGS IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          I'VE BEEN DOING DRUG PREVENTION FOR 23 YEARS. 
          FOLKS, I AM NOT INTERESTED IN DRUGS. 
          I AM INTERESTED IN P PEOPLE BEING WELL, AND IN NO WAY WILL WE SPONSOR DRUG USE IN THAT HOUSE. 
          THAT IS, THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WILL CHILDREN BE LIVING ON THESE PREMISES? NO, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          WILL THE RESIDENTS RECEIVE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES? YES, SIR. 
          IF THEY NEED THAT, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR MENTAL HEALTH MEDICATIONS AND, AND WHO ARE THEY RECEIVING THOSE SERVICES FROM? WHEREVER WE CAN GET THEM IN. 
          AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY HAVE TO GO TO WINCHESTER TO GET 'EM. 
          AND, AND I KNOW IT'S CHALLENGING IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I MEAN, NORTHWESTERN, THE WAIT RIGHT NOW IS SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS. 
          GENERALLY, WE DON'T DO STUFF WITH NORTHWESTERN BECAUSE IT TAKES SO LONG TO GET IN. 
          SO WE DEAL WITH OTHER AGENCIES, BUT THEY'RE IN WINCHESTER. 
          THEY'RE, WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE. 
          CAN CAN YOU ADDRESS THE COMMENT ABOUT THE MANAGER NOT HAVING WHAT THEY NEED TO ADDRESS ISSUES? AND I JUST FOLLOWED UP WITH SAYING, WHAT AUTHORITY DOES THE MANAGER HAVE, WHAT CHECKS AND BALANCES ARE PLACED ON AND WITH THE MANAGER TO ENSURE THAT THE CONCERNS BROUGHT UP HERE ARE ADDRESSED? OKAY. 
          SO YOU WANT ME TO DO ONE AT A TIME? YES. 
          YOU MIGHT HAVE TO START AGAIN FROM THE BEGINNING. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S OKAY. 
          , CAN YOU ADDRESS THE COMMENT? AND I APPRECIATED THE COMMENT ABOUT THE MANAGER NOT HAVING WHAT THEY NEED TO ADDRESS ISSUES. 
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I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY, WE'VE ESTABLISHED THEY DON'T HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO ADDRESS ISSUE. 
          THEY HAVE FULL AUTHORITY TO TEST. 
          THEY HAVE FULL AUTHORITY TO CALL THE POLICE. 
          THEY HAVE FULL AUTHORITY TO THROW PEOPLE OUT. 
          SO IF SOMEONE CALLS YOU OR CALLS THE WARREN COALITION AND SAYS, HEY, THIS PERSON HERE, HERE'S A PHOTO. 
          THIS PERSON'S STUMBLING ALL OVER YOUR FRONT YARD. 
          AND I'M CONCERNED, DOES THE HOUSE MANAGER HAVE THE, HAVE THE AUTHORITY AT THAT POINT TO SAY, WE'RE GONNA BRING YOU IN HERE AND YOU'RE GONNA TEST RIGHT NOW? EXACTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT IF THAT PERSON REFUSES A CHEMICAL TEST? THEN THEY'LL BE OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY'LL HAVE SIGNED SOMETHING THAT SAYS THEY'LL EITHER TAKE THE TEST OR THEY'LL BE EXPECTED TO LEAVE. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE AT THE FACILITY? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE ARE ALSO, UM, FOR SEARCH TOO, IF THERE'S A REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES, THEY WILL SIGN THAT THEY ARE SO IS THE COMMENT MADE SUBJECT TO SEARCH? IS THE COMMENT MADE IN YOUR, FORGIVE ME, I USED TO BE A COP. 
          IS THE COMMENT MADE IN YOUR, UM, CONTRACT THAT THERE IS NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY AT THIS FACILITY? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT CHECKS, FINALLY, WHAT CHECKS AND BALANCES ARE PLACED ON AND WITH THE MANAGER TO ENSURE THAT THE CONCERNS BROUGHT UP HERE AND THAT WILL BE BROUGHT UP IN THE FUTURE ARE ACTUALLY ADDRESSED? AND I, I, I BRING UP THAT QUESTION. 
          WELL, THERE WILL BE QUESTION, BECAUSE I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE HOUSE ON VIRGINIA AVENUE, AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TONIGHT FOR ME TO EXPRESS MY ANGST, UM, TO, I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE LIVED SITUATION IN THAT HOUSE ON VIRGINIA AVENUE OR THAT LANDLORD, BUT I, I'M GONNA TRY TO FOCUS HERE. 
          IF YOU COULD JUST ANSWER YEAH. 
          WHATEVER. 
          SO DEFINITELY THERE WOULD BE INCIDENT REPORTS. 
          UM, JAMES WHO SPOKE IS ALSO THE SUPERVISOR FOR THE HOUSE, UH, AND WHATEVER NEEDED TO HAPPEN. 
          SO SAY THERE WAS A FIGHT IN THE HOUSE, THEY HAD A, AN ASSAULT AND BATTERY. 
          WELL, WE'RE GONNA CALL THE POLICE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE WILL FILE POLICE REPORTS AND THE POLICE CAN SORT OUT WHO GETS CHARGED WITH WHAT. 
          I'M NOT AN OFFICER. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE NOT PLAYING GAMES. 
          I WORKED IN THE JAIL FOR SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS. 
          UM, I DO NOT STRUGGLE ON THE CHEMICAL SIDE, BUT I'VE CERTAINLY HEARD FROM PEOPLE FOR A VERY LONG TIME ABOUT THE THINGS THAT GO ON IN THE CHEMICAL SIDE, THE TRICKS, THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN. 
          UM, AND I, I'M NOT PLAYING, I'M TRYING TO SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES. 
          IF THEY'RE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT HAVING THEIR LIFE SAVED, THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR DECISION. 
          THEY'RE IN CHARGE OF THEM. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND TIME ON PEOPLE WHO AREN'T INVESTING TIME IN THEMSELVES. 
          AND MY FINAL QUESTION IS, WILL THERE BE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS? OH, YES, SIR. 
          AROUND THE FACILITY AND OR WITHIN THE FACILITY? 36 CAMERAS, SIR. 
          OUTSIDE AND INSIDE? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? WARM UP. 
          THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. JUST STAY THERE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? SHE ANSWERED MINE ANSWERED QUESTION. 
          MR. WILLIAM. 
          GOOD. 
          MR. WILLIAMS? YOU DID A GOOD JOB ANSWERING EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I YOU MAY BE SEATED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          CAN, CAN I JUST ADDRESS THE, THE GENTLEMAN WHO BROUGHT A CO A COMMENT AND, AND A CONCERN? UH, SURE. 
          AND, AND I TYPED THIS OUT SO THAT I HOPE IT MAKES SENSE AS FAR AS A CERTAIN HOUSE ON VIRGINIA AVENUE. 
          UH, I FEEL YOUR PAIN. 
          I DO NOT WANT TO COME ACROSS LIKE I'M PATRONIZING YOU, BUT I'VE LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR OVER 25 YEARS. 
          I USED TO BE AN ADMINISTRATOR AT RANDOLPH MACON ACADEMY, AND I HAVE BEEN A THORN IN THE SIDE OF CERTAIN LANDLORDS IN THIS TOWN AND TRYING TO GET THE TOWN TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE. 
          AND OTHERS FOR MANY YEARS. 
          THE CHILDREN I SERVE DAILY AT E WILSON MORRISON ELEMENTARY SCHOOL RESIDE AT THOSE RESIDENCES. 
          AND IT, IT'S HEARTBREAKING. 
          I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE LANDLORD YOU'RE REFERRING TO, AND LET'S JUST SAY YOU AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH RESPECT TO THAT SITUATION. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL I CAN REALLY SAY RIGHT NOW. 
          I WILL TELL YOU THAT THERE'S A GLIMMER OF HOPE IN THAT SITUATION, AND I'M CROSSING ALL APPENDAGES THAT THAT SITUATION IS DEALT WITH SOON. 
          UM, AND ONCE THIS SITUATION IS RESOLVED, THE ICET IS ON ME. 
          UH, IF TIME ALLOWS AFTER THIS MEETING, UM, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SPEAK WITH THE THREE OF YOU FURTHER IF YOU HAVE TIME, IF YOU DON'T, I UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? UM, JOHN, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          UM, WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE REVIEW OF THIS APPLICATION? WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
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OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN? WE DO HAVE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, MARTIN. 
          UH, BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION, I JUST WANNA SAY, HAVING SAID WHAT I SAID, I, I VIEW THIS SITUATION DIFFERENTLY, GIVING THE CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT WE WERE ASSURED OF DURING OUR WORK SESSION WITH MY PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE INDIVIDUALS RUNNING THIS PROJECT AND MY CONFIDENCE THAT THIS PROJECT WILL BE A GOOD MOVEMENT TOWARDS DEALING WITH MENTAL HEALTH AND DRUG ABUSE IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, SOMETIMES IT COMES DOWN TO, IF NOT MY BACKYARD, WHO'S, AND I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND FORWARDING THE TOWN FOR APPROVAL. 
          SO OFFICIALLY, UH, I MOVE THAT WE, THAT WE FORWARD A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A LODGING HOUSE LOCATED AT 200 NORTH WORLD AVENUE, IDENTIFIED BY TAX MAP 2 0 20 A FIVE 13 DASH 180. 
          SORRY, START OVER. 
          I RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR, ON THIS ONE, I MOVE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. 
          THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LODGING ROOMS ARE UNITS SHALL NOT EXCEED 10 APPLICANT TO PROVIDE PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE EIGHT SPACES. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE WE'LL VOTE. 
          MS. POTTER, WILL YOU DO A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WOOD? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER NER? YES. 
          CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. 
          VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS? YES. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          WE WILL FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO TOWN COUNCIL. 
          THEY WILL ALSO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER. 
          UH, AND, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE EACH OF YOU TO ATTEND THAT MEETING AND, AND REITERATE YOUR COMMENTS TO THAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INPUT THIS EVENING, AND, UH, HAVE A GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS TO CONDUCT TONIGHT. 
          UH, NO NEW BUSINESS. 
          UH, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR 
          [XI. PLANNING DIRECTOR REPORT]
REPORT DIRECTOR LAUREN, IF YOU GIVE US A UPDATE YES. 
          OF YOUR REPORT. 
          SO WE HAVE PROVIDED A REPORT FOR, UM, FEBRUARY OF 2023. 
          UM, TO DATE, WE HAVE HAD, UH, 57 ZONING PERMITS SUBMITTED. 
          AND WE'VE HAD 65 CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES THAT, UM, STAFF IS DEALING WITH AND ABOUT 33 BUSINESS LICENSES. 
          UM, UM, OUR I WORK SOFTWARE, WHICH IS HOW WE TRACK ALL OF OUR PERMITS, ACTUALLY HAS ADDITIONAL, UM, METRICS THAT WE JUST FOUND THE OTHER DAY. 
          SO, UH, YOUR REPORTS MAY LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT NEXT MONTH. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF ALSO INCLUDE SOME CHARTS THAT KINDA BREAK DOWN WHAT STAFF IS SPENDING THEIR TIME ON. 
          LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, 25% OF JOHN'S TIME, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO IWORKS, IS SPENT, UM, REVIEWING BUSINESS LICENSES. 
          SO I WILL, WE'LL START PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE HAD, UH, WE HAD ONE BAR MEETING, UM, AND THAT WAS FOR A TWO-STORY EDITION AT, UM, FOUR 15 EAST MAIN STREET. 
          AND THEN A POSTPONED, UM, DECISION FOR A ROOF AT 3 0 1 EAST PROSPECT, WHERE A METAL ROOF WAS REPLACED WITH SHINGLE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN TAKE THEM. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OF OUR DIRECTOR? UM, OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CONCERNS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP? ARE YOU ALLOWED TO SAY IF ONE OF THOSE WAS ON VIRGINIA AVENUE? I'M PERMITTED, BUT I HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HAD 'EM ON VIRGINIA AVENUE. 
          UM, SO WE, OUR DEPARTMENT HANDLES CODE ENFORCEMENT AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. 
          AND YOU MAY BE GETTING MORE AT PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE DONE ANY INSPECTIONS ON PROPERTY MAINTENANCE THERE. 
          UM, I, WE DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANY COMPLAINTS FOR US TO GO TO INITIATE A, UM, AN INSPECTION. 
          UM, BUT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES RIGHT NOW, I JUST GAVE A PRESENTATION LAST WEEK. 
          THE BIGGEST CATEGORIES ARE THE TRASH AND DEBRIS AND THEN, UM, INOPERATIVE VEHICLES. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT IT'S, UM, GOODNESS, MY MIND JUST WENT BLANK. 
          UH, I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE ZONING PERMITS. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST NOT HAVING THE PROPER PERMITS IN PLACE BEFORE THEY COMMENCE WORK. 
          SO WITH RESPECT TO THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED TONIGHT MM-HMM. 
          [00:55:01]
, IS THERE CAREFUL HOW WORD IS, IS THERE ENERGY TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS? WE HAVE STAFF ON HAND THAT CAN GO AND DO INSPECTIONS. 
          WE NEED A COMP, UH, THEY WOULD'VE TO FILE A COMPLAINT, A FORMAL COMPLAINT, UM, TO INITIATE THAT INSPECTION. 
          AND WOULD THEY FILE THAT COMPLAINT AT THE TOWN OFFICE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? UH, I DID OVERLOOK COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS. 
          IF THERE'S ANY REPORT THAT ANY MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT, UH, REGARDING PLANNING COMMISSION BUSINESS, PLEASE DO SO NOW. 
          ANY REPORTS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          MOVE TO ADJOURN. 
          WE HAVE A MOVE AND A SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNING MEETINGS SIGNIFIED BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED? THE MOTION TO ADJOURN CARRIES. 
          WE WILL HAVE A WORK SESSION, UH, AND WE WILL START THAT, UH, WORK SESSION IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES. 
          SO LET'S TAKE A SHORT BREAK AND WE WILL GET BACK TO BUSINESS. 
          OTHER BROTHER DARRELL. 
          UM, SO 
          [PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSESSION]
WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. 
          UM, MS. POTTER, LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT THE COMPLETE PLANNING COMMISSION IS HERE WITH STAFF TO DISPENSE WITH A FORMAL ROLL CALL. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD AN ITEM TO THE AGENDA. 
          TOWN COUNCIL HAS REQUESTED THAT WE CONSIDER HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A CEMETERY TO BE LOCATED IN TOWN. 
          UM, BUT BEFORE WE CAN DISCUSS THAT, WE NEED TO ADD IT TO THE, UH, WORK SESSION AGENDA. 
          SO BASICALLY, IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION TO REVIEWING, UH, A PROPOSED ORDINANCE FOR A CEMETERY IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, WE WILL ADD IT, UH, AFTER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON OUR WORK SESSION. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION? N NO. 
          CAN WE, CAN WE ADD IT BEFORE THE COMP PLAN SINCE THE FOLKS I CERTAINLY CAN. 
          IS THAT OKAY WITH? I WOULD AGREE TO THAT. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD POINT. 
          WE, WE MAY BE A WHILE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          ? YES, WE WILL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, MS. POTTER, PLEASE NOTE THAT WE'VE AGREED TO AMEND OUR AGENDA TO DISCUSS A PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UH, FOR A CEMETERY, UH, TO BE DEVELOPED WITHIN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. 
          SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, STAFF OR PLANNING DIRECTOR, CAN YOU, UH, UPDATE US ON THIS EVENT? YES. 
          UM, CURRENTLY THE ZONING ORDINANCE PERMITS, CEMETERIES ONLY IN THE A ONE ZONE, WHICH IS THE AGRICULTURAL ZONE. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HERE IS REQUESTING A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE R THREE ZONE TO PERMIT A CEMETERY TO BE LOCATED AT THE DYNAMIC LIFE CHURCH PROPERTY. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S APPROXIMATELY 17 ACRES IN SIZE. 
          UM, AND I I TH I'M PRETTY SURE THAT IT'S JUST FOR, UH, THE BURIAL OF, OF ONE PERSON. 
          UM, WHAT STAFF HAS DONE IS WE'VE PREPARED A REDLINED, UM, DOCUMENT, UH, FOR THE, UM, FOR CHAPTER 1 75 DASH UH, 30. 
          UM, AND THEN WE'VE ADDED A 30.2 AS PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. 
          SO WHAT THIS WE'LL DO IS ALLOW THE CEMETERY AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO CHURCHES IN THE R THREE DISTRICT AND THEN THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS OF 1 75, 30 0.2. 
          UM, WE'LL WILL REQUIRE THAT A MINIMUM LOT AREA FOR ANY CEMETERY WOULD NEED TO BE AT LEAST 10 ACRES IN SIZE THAT THE CEMETERY USES NEED TO BE SET BACK 150 FEET FROM ALL LOT LINES. 
          AND THAT, UM, THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM SETBACK OF 250 YARDS FROM A RESIDENCE IF A PROPERTY OWNER'S CONSENT IS NOT RECEIVED, UM, TO BE LOCATED CLOSER. 
          AND THAT IS, UH, PER STATE CODE. 
          SO THAT'S, UH, STATE CODE 57 DASH 26. 
          AND BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IF THERE'S RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THIS, TO THE CHURCH PROPERTY, THEY WOULD EITHER NEED PERMISSION FROM THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS OR THEY WOULD NEED TO, UM, BE 750 FEET BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OR 250 YARDS. 
          AND THEN THE STATE CODE ALSO REQUIRES THAT THERE SHALL BE A 300 YARD SETBACK FROM A CITY, TOWN OR A WATER COMPANY. 
          WELL, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE ANY WELLS AT THIS SITE. 
          I WILL HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC WORKS. 
          JUST VERIFY THAT. 
          BUT, UM, I CAN TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AND THEN THE, UM, 
          [01:00:01]
APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS OF THEM. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF? UH, COMMISSIONER MARNER? MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YES, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THERE'S NO MOTION, IS IT? WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF A CEMETERY? SO A CEMETERY IN OUR CODE IS, IT STATES THAT IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR THE, I THINK IT'S A DISPOSITION OF HUMAN RE REMAINS, A SET OF HUMAN REMAINS, OR ANY NUMBER OF SETS OF HUMAN REMAINS. 
          THE CEMETERY DEFINITION DOES NOT PUT A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER. 
          IT, THAT, THAT NUMBER IS GONNA BE DETERMINED BY THE LOT SIZE. 
          THERE ARE STANDARDS FOR, UM, THE, THE PLOTS. 
          SO I BELIEVE IT'S 40 INCHES BY 10 FEET. 
          AND THAT'S IN THE TOWN CODE? NO, I THINK THAT'S JUST STANDARD ACROSS LIKE A, LIKE FOR ALL CEMETERIES. 
          SO IT'S STATE CODE? YES. 
          ESSENTIALLY. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE, THE STATE, THE STATE CODE SPECIFIES 40 BY YES. 
          WHATEVER YOU SAID. 
          UM, AND SO I SPENT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME YESTERDAY RESEARCHING STATE CODE. 
          UM, AND IN OTHER, AND I RESEARCHED OTHER JURISDICTIONS, LIKE IN THE, UH, TOWN OF LEESBURG, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          THEY DO THIS, UH, PER SPECIAL USE PERMIT. 
          UM, THE TOWN OF CAL PEPPER, I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S A BY RIGHT USE, BUT ONLY IN CERTAIN ZONES. 
          UM, I DID LOOK AT, UM, SOME OF THE COUNTIES, BUT COUNTIES AND TOWNS ARE, ARE DIFFERENT. 
          SO IN COUNTIES IT TENDS TO BE MORE OF A, JUST A, AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS IN THE TOWNS AND CITIES. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MORE OF A SPECIAL USE PROCESS. 
          I DON'T SEE IN THE CODE WHERE IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE A SPECIAL USE. 
          HONESTLY, MY, MY INCLINATION IS GOING TOWARDS, WE MAKE THIS A SPECIAL USE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE TO. 
          SO THAT WILL BE AT THE, UM, THAT WILL BE AT THE, YOUR DECISION AND COUNCIL'S DECISION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THE REQUEST IS COMING FROM A CHURCH? YES. 
          THAT'S CURRENTLY, WHAT ZONE DID YOU SAY? IT'S R THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY WANNA BURY ONE PERSON? YES. 
          HOW MANY ACRES IS THIS? 17 ACRES. 
          OKAY. 
          17 ACRES. 
          SO ACCORDING TO WHAT 1 75 DASH 30.2, THEY COULD HAVE A CEMETERY. 
          SO THEY COULD, SO IN, IF OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH SAID, HEY, WE WANNA BE BURIED THERE, WELL THAT'S, WE WOULD'VE THE PHONE. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THIS MAY GET A LITTLE BIT TRICKY. 
          SO, UM, WITHOUT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, I WON'T HAVE A MECHANISM TO STOP, UH, THE, THE BURIAL OF OTHER PEOPLE THERE. 
          UM, BECAUSE IT'LL JUST BE BY, RIGHT. 
          SO THEY WOULD JUST COME IN AND, AND APPLY FOR A ZONING PERMIT. 
          AND THAT'LL BE THROUGHOUT THE R THREE ZONE. 
          IF A CHURCH MEETS, OR IF A CHURCH MEETS THE CRITERIA THAT WE SET FORTH IN ANY PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, THEN WE SIGN OFF ON IT ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          IF YOU GO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT ROUTE, THEN WE CAN REQUEST THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A PLAT BE PROVIDED PRIOR TO SHOWING WHERE THE REMAINS ARE GOING TO BE. 
          OR WE CAN REQUEST, WE CAN, THEY CAN HAVE, UM, DEED RESTRICTIONS OR, OR RECORD A DEED THAT WOULD EXPLAIN, YOU KNOW, HOW IT'S GONNA BE MAINTAINED. 
          UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN BE BURIED THERE, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          BUT AGAIN, THIS CAN BE AS, THIS CAN BE MORE COMPLICATED. 
          IT CAN BE SIMPLE. 
          IT'S AT THE WOULD WOULD TAKE US, WOULD IT TAKE US ANY LONGER, UM, IN THE PROCESS TO JUST DO A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AS OPPOSED TO DOING A BY? RIGHT. 
          SO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WOULD PROBABLY ADD ABOUT TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS ONTO THE TIME, WHICH THAT MATTERS WHEN YOU'RE BURYING SOMETHING. 
          AND, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE'RE, WE'RE THIS HEARING AND PUBLIC HEARING WE'RE HOLDING IS NOT FOR A SPECIAL USE FOR THAT USE. 
          CAUSE WE HAVEN'T CREATED THE USE YET. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE FIRST THING IS TO CREATE THE ORDINANCE. 
          YEP. 
          AND IF IT'S A SPECIAL USE, THEN THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN, RIGHT. 
          AND GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OR PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. 
          YES. 
          AGAIN, YES. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW COUNSEL IS THE ONE DIRECTING THIS. 
          THEY, THEY CONTACTED US MONDAY AFTER THEIR MEETING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, WANTING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, UH, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING ON OUR PART AND THEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON THEIR PART. 
          MM-HMM. 
           TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE CHANGE. 
          YES. 
          AND STATE CODE DOES PERMIT US TO DUAL ADVERTISE. 
          SO THIS BODY CAN, AFTER TONIGHT, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THIS LANGUAGE, AND ONCE I HAVE LEGAL REVIEW IT, UM, WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD TO PUBLIC HEARING. 
          COUNSEL CAN DUAL ADVERTISE. 
          IF IT ALL GOES AS PLANNED. 
          IT COULD BE DONE, YOU KNOW, AS EARLY AS 
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THE MID-APRIL. 
          BUT I, I DON'T HAVE ANY EXACT DATES. 
          I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT I DON'T WANNA MAKE PROMISES I CAN'T KEEP HERE BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR, IF WE WERE TO AUTHORIZE THE GO-TO PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, WHICH IS JUST A STANDARD, YOU KNOW, ROUTINE WE GO THROUGH, UM, WE, WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE LEGAL LOOK AT IT. 
          THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, REGARDING A CEMETERY VERSUS A BURIAL RIGHT. 
          VERSUS, UM, PUBLIC, PRIVATE, RIGHT. 
          UM, THE SIZE OF IT, JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I READ THIS ON THE FACE VALUE, DOES THE CEMETERY HAVE TO BE 10 ACRES OR THE LOT ON WHICH THE CEMETERY IS ON THE LOT ON WHICH THE CEMETERY IS ON? I THINK WE SHOULD CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT THE CEMETERY ITSELF DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 10 ACRES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BUT I, I PERSONALLY, I REALLY THINK THERE'S, WE SHOULD HAVE A PROVISION IN OUR CODE FOR THESE TYPE OF BURIALS. 
          I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT CREATING A CEMETERY IN TOWN. 
          WHEN YOU MENTIONED CULP PEPPER, UM, I THINK THEIR ORDINANCE, THEY ONLY ALLOW BURIALS EITHER IN A, IN AN APPROVED PUBLIC OR PRIVATE CEMETERY. 
          YOU CAN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, PUT IT ANYWHERE YOU WANT. 
          THE STATE OF VIRGINIA DOES ALLOW, UH, CREMATION REMAINS MM-HMM. 
           TO BE PLACED, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A NICHE, IN A, IN A CHURCH. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY CHURCHES IN FRONT ROYAL THAT, OR ANY BODIES ARE BURIED. 
          I KNOW SOME CHURCHES, YOU KNOW, HAVE CRIPS AND TOMBS, UH, LOCATED WITHIN THEM. 
          UH, BUT I, I, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT IF WE CAN SOMEHOW GET JURORS TO LOOK AT THIS ORDINANCE TO, AND I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO DEFINE CEMETERY IN OUR ORDINANCE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN PERHAPS WHAT IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT NOW, LOOK AT THE DEFINITION. 
          UM, UH, AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK WE SHOULD REQUIRE A SURVEY THAT IF THEY ARE GONNA DETER A BODY, I THINK WE SHOULD MEMORIALIZE IT WITH A SURVEY IN PLAT AND HAVE IT RECORDED, UH, YOU KNOW, AMONG THE LAND RECORDS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I'VE, I'M POSING TO LEGAL AS WELL, UM, OKAY. 
          AND WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          BUT, BUT THE MAIN THING RIGHT NOW IS DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND GO AHEAD AND, UH, AUTHORIZE A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH COULD BE HELD WITH US AS EARLY AS, UH, APRIL THE FIFTH? I WOULD THINK AT YOUR NEXT WORK SESSION, YOU'D BE, WE COUNSEL HAD MENTIONED AT THEIR MEETING THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE A SPECIAL, UH, UH, MEETING THAT IF WE WOULD BE WILLING TO HOLD A SPECIAL MEETING, AND I CERTAINLY WOULD, UH, THAT, THAT IF WE AUTHORIZE IT, WE COULD MOVE, UM, AND, AND WE COULD ADDRESS ISSUES ON THE NIGHT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING IF WE STILL HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          BUT, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH USED TO DO MUCH DISCUSSING TONIGHT UNTIL WE HEAR FROM LEGAL AND GET THEIR FINALIZED, UH, VERSION OF IT. 
          MAY I ASK YOU SOMETHING? IF, IF WE'RE GONNA, UH, HOLD IT THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF APRIL, THE AD WOULD HAVE TO BE IN BY THIS FRIDAY? YEAH. 
          WELL, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          WE COULD AUTHORIZE, GO AHEAD AND AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISING, AND THEN, UH, AT, AT THE FIFTH, AFTER WE HAVE OUR, UH, WORK SESSION, UH, ON THE FIFTH, UH, WE COULD, UM, DIRECTLY AFTER THAT WHOLE, UH, SPECIAL MEETING TO VOTE ON THIS ISSUE. 
          IF, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, UH, CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION OF STAFF? SURE. 
          UH, LAUREN MM-HMM. 
          , HOW DOES, I MEAN THIS, UK'S HAS COME DOWN FROM A HIGH SAYING WE WANT THIS IN THE REZONING, BUT AREN'T YOU IN THE PROCESS OF DOING A WHOLE COMPREHENSIVE YES. 
          SO HOW CAN'T DOES THIS FIT IN WITH THAT? WELL, I CAN'T MOVE ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE UNTIL THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS CERTIFIED. 
          NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT , I KNOW THAT WELL, AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, THE PERSON HAS RECENTLY PASSED AND THE FAMILY, THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT. 
          THEY'RE, THEY WANT TO, OKAY. 
          SO THERE IS AN ACTION FORCING EVENT HERE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS FOR THE FAMILY, I THINK THEY'D BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ISN'T OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT WAS UNCLEAR IN MY MIND THAT IT, WHETHER IT WAS AN INSTITUTION WANTING TO CREATE A CEMETERY FOR MANY, OR WHETHER IT WAS AN INDIVIDUAL BURIAL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, MY, MY OTHER CONCERN IS THERE ARE MORE CHURCHES THAT ARE JUST IN THE R THREE ZONE. 
          SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT ALSO. 
          UH, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, AS I WAS RESEARCHING IT YESTERDAY, IT YEAH. 
          IT APPEARS THAT IN A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS, UM, CEMETERIES AS AN ACCESSORY USE ARE BUILT INTO THE CHURCH DEFINITION OR RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY DEFINITION. 
          UM, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD UP UPDATE THAT AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO, WELL, IT'S, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE A LOT OF COORDINATION ON YOUR PART, BUT ONCE WE GET THESE THINGS DONE, WE NEED THE EMAILS IMMEDIATELY. 
          YEP. 
          AND CAN CONVERSE AS A COMMISSION AMONG OURSELVES. 
          [01:10:01]
MM-HMM. 
          , UH, VIA EMAIL IF YOU DON'T, IF, IF, IF WE CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. WILLIAMS? YOU HAVE A STA OR CONNIE? I, I JUST WANNA COMMEND LAUREN FOR IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON, TO BE SUCH A QUICK STUDY ON THE SUBJECT OF CEMETERIES. 
          AND, AND TO THANK YOU. 
          PIVOT SO COMPLETELY AND COME UP WITH A WHOLE NEW, A WHOLE NEW, UH, UH, ISSUE. 
          AND, AND, YEAH. 
          SO I, I THINK IT'S AMAZING HOW YOU CAME OUT OF NOWHERE, THIS THING, I MEAN, I SAW THE EMAIL. 
          I SAID, CEMETERIES. 
          WHAT ABOUT CEMETERIES? , WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT CEMETERIES. 
          SO, GOOD. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR FINE WORK. 
          SO FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO OFFER MY SINCERE CONDOLENCES ON YOUR LOSS. 
          UM, IT'S EASY SOMETIMES TO FORGET ABOUT THE HUMAN ASPECT OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH WHEN YOU HAVE SO MUCH BUREAUCRACY YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH. 
          AND I STRUGGLE WITH THAT. 
          UM, MAY I KNOW WHO EVERYBODY IS WITH RESPECT TO THE DECEASED? MY HUSBAND WAS THE FOUNDER OF, THIS IS MY FATHER, AND THIS IS OUR CHURCH'S ADMINISTRATOR. 
          I'M SO SORRY. 
          THIS IS A TOUGH QUESTION, BUT I, I I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE HUMAN ASPECT OF THIS AS WELL AS THE, UM, I'M GONNA LEAVE WITH THAT. 
          HOW MUCH IS IT COSTING YOU PER DAY? WE HAVE A, UM, FUNERAL HOME IN WINCHESTER, AND THE, UM, VICE PRESIDENT ATTENDED OUR CHURCH SPEAK UP HERE. 
          CAN SHE COME TO THE, CAN YOU COME UP TO THE PUBLIC? OH, SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SO WE CAN RECORD THE INFORMATION, PLEASE. 
          HEARING, THANK YOU. 
          AND JUST, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE, MY NAME IS EISA ROGERS. 
          I LIVE AT 14 LITTLE, SO DRIVE MIDDLETOWN 20 2006 45. 
          UM, FORTUNATELY THE FUNERAL DIRECTOR AT, UH, THE FUNERAL HOME IN WINCHESTER THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, UH, HAD ATTENDED OUR CHURCH PREVIOUSLY. 
          AND MY HUSBAND WAS VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING RICHARD TORRES'S RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND HELPED TO SAVE HIS MARRIAGE. 
          SO HE'S DOING A PERSONAL FAVOR, NOT CHARGING ME THE EXTRA FEE ON TOP OF ALL THE OTHER FEES. 
          UM, FOR THE ADDITIONAL DAYS THAT WE'RE, I TOLD HIM IT COULD BE A LITTLE LENGTHY, AND HE SAID, IT'S FINE, I'M GONNA GET THINGS COVERED. 
          SO HE'S WORKING WITH US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, THEN UM, WE'LL PROCEED THEN AUTHORIZE THE ADVERTISING AND THE INTERIM. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU'LL GET US WHATEVER MORE INFORMATION AS IT BECOMES AVAILABLE WITH LEGAL, AND WE CAN YES. 
          UH, NOW THAT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'LL DO IT ON THE FIFTH IF, IF WE GET A, A LEGAL ISSUE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY SHOOT OKAY. 
          FOR IT TO HOLD A SPECIAL MEETING ON THE FIFTH. 
          WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S ADVERTISED BY FRIDAY. 
          AND, UM, I WILL BE CONSULTING WITH LEGAL ON MONDAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M STARTING TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL ON MONDAY. 
          GOOD. 
          GOOD. 
          YEP. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          NEXT ITEM OF, UH, BUSINESS ON OUR WORK SESSION IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          UM, LAUREN, YOU WANNA BRING US UP TO SPEED? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I KNOW I SENT OUT A LATE EMAIL. 
          I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE YOUR COPIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          UM, I'VE PROVIDED YOU A SPREADSHEET, UM, AND ON THIS PA ON THIS SPREADSHEET ARE THE PAGES THAT CONTAIN MAPS WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          UM, I'VE GOT SOME INITIAL COMMENTS JUST FROM, UH, A CURSORY GLANCE. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON TOP OF THESE, UM, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF JUST GO THROUGH THIS. 
          UM, THAT'S FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          GO, TED. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO PAGE 19. 
          AND THIS IS THE, UM, LIKE VICINITY MAP. 
          DO WE HAVE THE COMP PLAN SAVED FROM THE LAST, FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO, IT WOULD BE FROM A FLASHBACK. 
          IT'S NOT SAVED. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          GOTCHA. 
          POSSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN HE, DOES HE HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET? CUZ WE HAVE IT ONLINE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ASK HIM. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          SO IF YOU START ON PAGE 19, THIS IS OUR REGIONAL CONTEXT MAP. 
          WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, THE, 
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UM, THE ROAD NUMBERS ARE THE NAMES THAT ARE LISTED. 
          SO US 66, US 55 VA 52, VA THREE 40 ARE NOT CORRECT. 
          SO I HAVE A COMMENT THAT THOSE NEED TO BE CORRECTED. 
          AND THEN MY THOUGHT WAS IS THAT IF WE HAVE THESE AS THE APPROPRIATE SYMBOLS, IT MAY LOOK A LITTLE CLEANER. 
          AND THEN MY OTHER COMMENT WAS THAT THE NORTH ARROW NEEDED TO BE SHIFTED SO THAT IT WAS NOT OVER TOP OF THE TOWN OF REMINGTON'S NAME. 
          ARE YOU SEEING THAT? OKAY. 
          JUST POINT OUT TO PLEASE. 
          YEP. 
          SO WHOOP, SO THE MAP NUMBERS, THE ROUTE NAMES ARE INCORRECT, AND THEN THAT NORTH ARROW DOWN IN THE CORNER OKAY. 
          IS A LITTLE BIT OVER TOP OF THE TOWN OF REMINGTON. 
          WHEN I PRINTED IT OUT TODAY, UM, IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO READ. 
          I, I, I'M NITPICKING, BUT, WELL, I GOT NEW, I WENT TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN REMINGTON. 
          YEP. 
          IT IS NOWHERE CLOSE TO THE CUL WELL, IT'S RIGHT ON THE COLT COUNTY, BUT WARREN COUNTY, I AGREE WITH YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU HAVE, DOES THIS BODY HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THIS MAP, DARRELL, ON THESE TYPE OF LOCATOR MAPS? IT'S, IT'S, UM, SOMETIMES NICE TO HAVE MILEAGE RINGS, WHAT THEY CALL IT, YOU KNOW, CONCENTRIC GREENS FROM THE CENTER OF FRONT ROYAL, YOU KNOW, 10 MILES, 15 MILES, 20 MILES. 
          BUT THAT MAY BE TOO MUCH FOR WHAT THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY CAN, THEY CAN. 
          AND I KNOW IN THE PAST YOU HAD MENTIONED, UM, THE DISTANCE TO DC OUTS OR THE DISTANCE TO WINCHESTER OUTSIDE OF DC AND WINCHESTER. 
          DO YOU WANT ANY OTHER DISTANCE MENTIONED? UM, NO, NOT REALLY. 
          NOT REALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          FOUR 18. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          WELL, PAGE 19. 
          OH, PAGE 19. 
          PAGE 19. 
          IT'S JUST A FORMAT MAP. 
          YEAH. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY CO ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR CAN WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT MAP? YEP. 
          WE'RE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          LET'S GO TO PAGE 42, WHICH SHOULD BE, SO THIS MAP IS FOR, UH, IT DEPICTS ENVIRONMENTAL ACCESS AND IT SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE BOAT RAMPS. 
          UM, WHEN I PRINT THIS OUT AND I LOOK AT IT, I THINK THAT THE STREET LINES ARE TOO LIGHT. 
          UH, THEY GET LOST. 
          AND SO MY COMMENT IS THAT THEY NEED TO BE DARKENED. 
          UM, AND I ALSO THINK THAT MAYBE THE MAP NEEDS TO BE ENLARGED SO THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE LEGIBLE AND THAT THE BOAT RAMP SYMBOLS NEED TO BE LARGER. 
          AGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK? DOES OUR RESIDENT CARTOGRAPHER HAVE ANY FEEDBACK? NOPE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE GO TO PAGE 74? OH, 60, SORRY. 
          63. 
          AND WE'VE, WE'VE GOT IT UP HERE IF THIS HELPS. 
          WE'RE GETTING THERE GOING THE WAY IT DOES BE NUMBER TWO, . 
          OKAY. 
          SO MY COMMENT FOR THIS MAP WAS THAT THERE ARE MORE DOTS THAN EMPLOYERS LISTED ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE. 
          SO THE PREVIOUS PAGE, I THINK, LISTS THE TOP 26 EMPLOYERS. 
          ORIGINALLY, THE TOP 50 EMPLOYERS WERE LISTED, UM, BUT SOME OF THEM IT APPEARED AS THOUGH THEY WERE IN THE COUNTY. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS JUST NARROW THAT LIST DOWN, AND I'M JUST ASKING THEM TO EDIT THIS MAP TO TAKE OUT THE ADDITIONAL DOTS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED. 
          UH, ONE QUESTION ON THAT MAP. 
          MM-HMM. 
           PARK, 
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WHAT IS THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHERE AL PARK IS. 
          UH, IF YOU LOOK RIGHT BELOW, UM, YOU, YOUR MIC ON ME. 
          OH, YOU GOTTA TURN YOUR MIC ON. 
          OH. 
          WHAT IS THE AL O W L PARK? SORRY. 
          WHICH PAGE ARE YOU ON? 60, UH, PAGE 63, UH, CENTER JUST TO THE NORTHEAST OF THAT LARGE BLUE DOT, UH, SOUTHEAST OF, UH, HAP CREEK ROAD. 
          IT'S RIGHT, IT'S RIGHT OFF LOOP ROAD ON THE MAP. 
          I DO NOT KNOW. 
          THAT'S IN THE, I THINK THAT'S IN THE COUNTY. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I'VE NEVER HEARD OF AN OWL PARK. 
          HAVEN'T EITHER. 
          WHY DON'T WE, UH, ASK TO HAVE THAT REMOVED? OKAY. 
          NOT THAT IT'S NOT INTERESTING, BUT, UH, AND IT MAY BE AN OWL PARK THERE FOR ALL I KNOW. 
          I MEAN MM-HMM. 
          , UH, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          PAGE 74. 
          I DIDN'T SEE ANY INCONSISTENCIES OR EDITS. 
          WELL, 74 THROUGH 77. 
          UM, YEAH, ON THOSE, UM, THE ONLY COMMENT I'LL MAKE AT THIS TIME, THE BAR SCALES DON'T APPEAR TO BE ACCURATE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THEY SHOW LIKE A, LIKE A TWO MILE AND THAT'S 10,000 FEET, YOU KNOW, PLUS, AND I, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT SCALE BAR SCALE IS CORRECT FOR THIS MAP, BUT AS WELL AS ALL OF THEM LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T, YOU CAN PUT A GENERAL NOTE THAT ALL THE SCALES NEED TO BE CHECKED. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND AGAIN, AS MR. WILLIAMS WAS QUICK TO POINT OUT, THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT SUBJECT TO CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE GET OUR GIS DEPARTMENT BACK. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO TO PAGE 79, I ASKED THAT THE LABEL UP IN THE, UH, TOP CORNER, IT'S KIND OF TOUCHING THE TOWN BOUNDARY. 
          I'M JUST ASKING THAT IT BE SHIFTED AGAIN. 
          IT'S PROBABLY NITPICKING, BUT IT DOES COVER THE BOUNDARY A LITTLE BIT. 
          PUT THAT ON THE LOWER RIGHT TO BALANCE THE MAP OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          WELL, AND AND THIS IS BASICALLY OUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR NOW. 
          YES. 
          FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, RIGHT? YES. 
          YEP. 
          THE MAPS ON PAGES 74 TO I THINK 77, 79. 
          UM, THESE ARE CONTAINED IN OUR TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THESE LIST OUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS, ROADWAY EXTENSIONS, SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO THESE DO KIND OF MAKE UP THE INITIAL TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT WE HAVE, OR THEY'LL FORM THE BASIS FOR FUTURE PLANS. 
          YES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THEN IF WE GO TO PAGE 96, UM, I'M ASKING THAT MAYBE THEY JUST, UH, INCREASE THE SCALE OF THE MAP A LITTLE BIT SO THAT IT'S A LITTLE MORE LEGIBLE. 
          I'M, THIS MAP CAME FROM, UH, WHAT IS IT, THE NATIONAL BROADBAND OR FEDERAL COMMUNITY F FCC. 
          UM, SO I'M HOPING THAT MAYBE IF THEY JUST ZOOM IN MORE TO FRONT ROYAL AND HAVE LESS OF A REGIONAL MAP, IT MAY BE EASIER TO READ. 
          WHAT, WHAT, WHAT PAGE IS THAT? IT'S ON PAGE 96. 
          WE'RE ALREADY DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT WE MISSED FROM THE PREVIOUS MAPS? I'M THAT, DO YOU HAVE OTHER COMMENTS FOR THE PREVIOUS ON JUST ON THE REAL LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS MAP AND THE SIX IMPROVEMENTS? WHICH PAGE IS THAT? THAT THERE IS NO, UH, EAST CONNECTOR. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I SAW THAT'S, I WOULDN'T CALL IT SHORT RANGE  EAST. 
          DO YOU WANT THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR IN THERE? WHAT'S THAT? OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO FOR THIS MAP, DO YOU THINK IF WE ZOOM IN ON FRONT ROYAL, INSTEAD OF HAVING WARREN COUNTY HIGHLIGHTED THAT IT MAY BE A LITTLE MORE LEGIBLE, I DON'T THINK IS ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO MAKE THAT MAP MORE READABLE? , THIS ONE CAME FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          UM, THIS IS FROM THE FCC. 
          MUCH EASIER TO SEE UP THERE. 
          YES. 
          MAYBE THE COLORS ON THE TV. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY CAN 
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CHANGE THOSE COLORS. 
          THAT'S WHY I'M WONDERING IF WE ENLARGE IT, IF IT'S A LITTLE EASIER. 
          I WONDER IF YELLOW MM-HMM. 
           BETTER THAN A LIGHTER COLOR LIME GREEN. 
          SO DO THE YELLOW AND LIKE HIGHLIGHT FRONT ROYAL IN YELLOW. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE IT'LL CONTRAST WITH THE BLUE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          AND THEN FOR 98, I'VE JUST GOT, UM, SHIFT THE TITLE UP TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN BOUNDARY. 
          THIS ONE SLIGHTLY OVERLAPS AS WELL. 
          COULD, COULD WE ENLARGE THAT? UM, CAN, CAN THAT BE ENLARGED? JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT ONE'S ALREADY BEEN SHIFTED, SO WE CAN DISREGARD THAT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THEN PAGE ONE 18. 
          UM, I WROTE THAT WE OUGHT TO MOVE THE TEXT BOX TO THE LEFT A FEW SPACES SPACE, UH, TO NOT OVERLAP THE BOUNDARY LINE. 
          IT JUST HITS THE TOP OF IT. 
          BUT I THOUGHT MAYBE IF WE SHIFT THAT FEMA FLOODPLAINS TITLE UP A LITTLE BIT, IT MAY HELP WITH CLARITY. 
          BUT ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ABOUT THIS MAP? JUST MAKE SURE ON THE SCALE, SCALE, OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          PAGE ONE 20. 
          SO THE ONE 20 HAS THE SOILS MAP, I BELIEVE, OR SOIL TYPES. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WANT ANY CHANGES ON THIS ONE? I DIDN'T SEE ANY. 
          UH, I WOULD LOOK AT THE SCALE AGAIN. 
          UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE A NOTE ON THERE THAT FOR MORE DETAIL, SEE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOILS MAP FOR WARREN COUNTY. 
          THERE'S A BOOK ON THAT, BUT I, I, I THINK THEY DID A GOOD JOB OF CHANGING THE PREVIOUS MAP TO THIS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THIS IS MUCH BETTER LOOKING THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE. 
          IS THE SOILS MAP FOR WARREN COUNTY, IS THAT THROUGH, IS THAT THE WEB SOIL SURVEY? IS THAT WHAT YOU YEAH, I, I THINK IT'S U S D OH, U S D A. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I WILL VERIFY THAT IT'S U S D A, CUZ OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THOUGHT IT WAS U S G S, BUT I KNOW THAT I REMEMBER THERE'S A WEB SOIL SURVEY MAP, CORRECT. 
          THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          I'LL JUST VERIFY WHICH ONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S A SOIL SURVEY MAP OF WARREN COUNTY. 
          OKAY. 
          BY THE U S D A. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, IT'S A PRETTY STANDARD OKAY. 
          BOOK. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THERE WAS ANOTHER MAP ON 1 26 THAT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WITH THE SCALE. 
          SOMETHING YOU WANT ME TO CHECK AGAIN, DARYL? 1, 1 36, 1 26. 
          1 26. 
          YEP. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S JUST OUR EXISTING LAND USE MAP. 
          JUST CURIOUS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND I, I SHOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS AND I APOLOGIZE. 
          OKAY. 
          IS WHAT'S LABELED IN YELLOW IN CURRENT LAND USE OR THE BROWN? YEP. 
          SO THE YELLOW IS CURRENTLY, UM, LIKE A, IT'S OUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          SO THE, THE LIGHT BROWN IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN LAND USE? UH, NOPE. 
          LIGHT BROWN IS STILL, UM, UNDEVELOPED. 
          YEAH. 
          THOSE, MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          THOSE ARE UNDEVELOPED. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          GREEN IS AGRICULTURE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           GREEN IS AGRICULTURE. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          SO FOR 1 36, THIS IS OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ON THERE I HAD THAT WE WANT THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR REMOVED. 
          I, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT THE LAST WORK SESSION. 
          UM, AND I KNOW THAT WE'D ALSO DISCUSSED SOME CHANGES TO THE FUTURE ACTUAL, THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES UP IN THE MARSHALL AND THE HAPPY 
          [01:30:01]
CREEK DISTRICT. 
          IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE NOW, WE CAN, OR IF YOU, UM, WANNA WAIT TILL WE GET THROUGH THE REST OF THE MAP EDITS, WE CAN COME BACK TO IF WE WANNA, IF AND HOW WE WANNA CHANGE THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP. 
          UM, MY, THE NOTES THAT I TOOK THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS ONE UP, LAUREN, WERE MM-HMM. 
          , UM, AND THIS IS 1 36. 
          YEP. 
          THAT THE ORANGE ALMOST TRIANGLE IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER. 
          THERE TOWN SHOULD BE, I HAD WRITTEN DOWN THEIR FLEX INDUSTRIAL OKAY. 
          LIGHT INDUSTRY, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRY NOW SHOULD BE FLEX INDUSTRIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU RECOLLECT, MR. CHAIRMAN? I'M SORRY. 
          THAT, THAT THIS SECTION YEAH. 
          CURRENTLY IS LIGHT INDUSTRY AND IT SHOULD BE FLEX INDUSTRIAL, CORRECT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL LET YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE SPECIFIC CITIZEN COMMENTS THAT CAME, UM, TO ONE OF THE PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES THAT REQUESTED THAT THAT AREA BE MIXED USE, BUT IT IS STILL THE PREROGATIVE OF THIS BOARD TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          AND GO AHEAD. 
          SO YOU, YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THAT TO NO, WE CAN, I CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANT TO RE JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE WAS SPECIFIC COMMENT FOR THAT PIECE OF LAND, UM, RIGHT. 
          AND WE WANT THAT PIECE IN THERE, OR I WANT MM-HMM. 
          , THE, THE THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE MARKED RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THAT INDUSTRIAL. 
          YES. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          SO THEN WE CHANGE THE RESIDENTIAL AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK IT WAS YOU WHO WANTED EASTWEST CONNECTOR TAKEN OUT OF PAGE 1 36. 
          I'M SORRY, AS I RECALL IT WAS YOU WHO WANTED EASTWEST CONNECTOR TAKEN OFF OF PAGE 1 36. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND WHAT WAS THE, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT SHOULD BE ON THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. 
          THAT'S A PROPOSED ROAD. 
          IT'S NOT AN EXISTING ROAD. 
          WE DON'T SHOW THE FLYOVER, WE DON'T SHOW THE, UH, WEST MAIN EXTENDED IT. 
          I THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT GOOD TO PICK JUST ONE CHERRY PICK ONE ITEM, BUT IT SHOULD DEFINITELY TRANSPORTATION. 
          THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE CHANGE IN WORDING OF THE ACTUAL USES, WE SHOULD COME BACK TO THIS MAP. 
          UM, BUT THE NEXT, UH, MAP IS PAGE 1 38, AND THAT IS A CLOSEUP OF THE FUTURE CONNECTOR, AND IT'S NOT SHOWING IT IN ITS ENTIRETY. 
          SO MY THOUGHT IS, IS THAT MAYBE WE MOVE THIS ONE TO THE APPENDIX OR TAKE IT OUT ALL TOGETHER. 
          BUT AGAIN, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE, WHAT, WHAT DID VDOT SAY IN THEIR REVIEW OF IT? DID THEY WANT TO SHOW THIS OR NOT? WELL, THEY WANT IT INCLUDED IN THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAPS, AND SO IT'LL BE IN THAT TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER AND IT'S ON THE, UM, TABLE FOR THE, THE, THE TABLE THAT LISTS ALL THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE SINGLING OUT A, A ROAD WHEN WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER ROADS THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TOO. 
          AND I THINK IF IT'S, IT WOULD BE STRONGER IF IT'S IN A, IN THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN PROPER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO DO YOU WANT THIS STRICKEN FROM THE COMP PLAN OR JUST MOVE TO THE, UH, I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE EVEN NEED IT. 
          DO WE EVEN NEED IT? MY THOUGHT IS WE TAKE IT OUT. 
          IT'S ALMOST REDUNDANT IF WE, IF I THINK AS LONG AS WE SHOW IT ON THE MAP AND LIST IT ON THE TABLE IN THAT CHAPTER. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE IT IN OUR C I P, IT'S BEEN PROFFERED. 
          I THINK WE'VE GOT IT COVERED. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THEN ON PAGE ONE 40, UM, WE'RE GONNA CORRECT THAT YOU'RE GONNA CORRECT THAT TO MATCH THE FUTURE LAND USE, RIGHT? YEP. 
          MY THOUGHT IS, IS THAT THAT WILL JUST BE THAT BUFFER AROUND THE FRONT ROW LIMITED PARTNERSHIPS PROPERTY AND THE CORRECT MARSHALL PLANNING AREA WILL BE REMOVED. 
          AND THEN I, AND I CAN'T TELL FROM HERE, I'M SORRY IF THERE IS A CONSERVATION, UM, OVERLAY OVER THE FLOODPLAIN AREA, BUT IF THERE'S A GREEN, JOHN, CAN YOU SEE, IS THERE A GREEN HASH OVERLAY IN THERE? OKAY. 
          NORTH PALM STREET. 
          YEP. 
          IT'S IN THERE. 
          DO YOU SEE IT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THEN I DIDN'T HAVE ANY CHANGES FOR THE MAPS ON 1 42 TO ONE 50, UM, ON 1 52. 
          THEY JUST NEED TO MATCH. 
          IT'S JUST BAD FOR EM WHEN YOU DON'T SHOW A FAR SCALE ON THE MAP. 
          SO, SO YOU WANT BAR SCALES PUT ON ALL OF OF THESE MAPS. 
          I THINK EVERY MAP DESERVES A BAR SCALE. 
          OKAY. 
          [01:35:02]
YOU MAY WANNA LOOK, YOU MAY WANNA LOOK THERE ON THAT NORTH ARROW ON THE CONSERVATION ONE 40 THERE BY THE NORTH ARROW. 
          YOU HAVE WHERE THEY SNIPED THE RIVER JUST NORTH, NORTH OF THE NORTH ARROW. 
          OKAY. 
          THE RIVERS, THAT REALLY DOESN'T PERTAIN TO THE TOWN AT THAT POINT. 
          SO YOU THINK THE RIVER SHOULD BE SNAPPED? YEAH, JUST NORTH OF THE NORTH ARROW. 
          OKAY. 
          A LITTLE BIT OF . 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THEY THEY HAVE THAT ON SEVERAL MAPS. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S ON ONE 40, RIGHT? ALL OF THEM AND ONE 40 AFTER THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK WHEN THEY DO THAT IN GIS, IT'S, IT'S THE SCALE THAT THEY ZOOMED INTO. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN THEY EXPORTED, THEY CAN DO WHAT NOW? IT GOT SNIPED BECAUSE THEY EXPORTED IT FROM AS A JPEG. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEY PUT IT INTO THAT YOU CAN BLOCK OUT OKAY. 
          ISSUES. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL FOR SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS GIS. 
          OKAY. 
          SNIP, WE'LL SNIP I'LL HAVE THEM SNIP THE RIVER OUT OF THIS AREA HERE. 
          OH, THAT UP THERE? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DOWN HERE, RIGHT HERE, NORTH OF THE NORTH ARROW HERE. 
          OH, THE, THE RANDOM SLICE OF YEAH, YOU PIECE THE RIVER ROUTE. 
          NO MAN'S LAND. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ON PAGE 1 52, I'VE GOT, UM, SNIP THE OVERLAY WHERE IT INTERSECTS WITH THE RAILROAD. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD BE FOR THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR. 
          BUT AGAIN, I THINK IF WE'RE TAKING OUT THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR, I THINK WE'RE ALSO TAKING OUT THE OVERLAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD TAKE THAT OFF OF THERE AND, AND, AND AGAIN, UPDATE IT TO THE, TO THE PROPER RIGHT PARCELS. 
          UM, AND THIS MAP AND ALL THE, AND THE OTHER PREVIOUS FOUR OR FIVE, THEY ALSO DON'T SHOW, UH, YOU KNOW, NORTH SHEO AVENUE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, FOR SOME REASON THAT'S MISSING ON THE MAPS, BUT IT'S, IT IS NOT A BIG DEAL. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S NICE IF WE CAN GET THESE MAPS CORRECT AS WE CAN WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT 'EM. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DON'T SHOW IT. 
          MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. 
          MAYBE IT'S BEEN TAKEN OVER BY VAPE SHOPS. 
           DON'T UTTER VAPE SHOPS TONIGHT. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO AGAIN, LET'S GET 'EM TO LOOK AT THAT ON EVERY MAP. 
          I WILL. 
          BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY, THEY JUST TURNED IT OFF INADVERTENTLY. 
          AND, AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER BACK TO WHEN I DID GIS A LONG TIME AGO. 
          THEY CAN TURN ON SPECIFIC PARCEL LAYERS RIGHT. 
          AND THEN JUST EXPORT THOSE OUT. 
          SO ALL WE'RE ASKING IS FOR THEM TO TURN ON STREET LABELS AND THEN EXPORT THE PARCEL. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM 1 54 DOWN TO THE MAPS ON 1 73. 
          THE NEXT CHANGE I HAD WAS ON 1 75. 
          AND THIS DEALS WITH CHERRY DALE AVENUE AND, UH, WHAT IS IT? CUR FOOT AVENUE TO CHANGE THOSE PORTIONS FROM MIXED USE? UH, MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED USE TO UM, I BELIEVE IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THAT'S OVER WHERE THE SKATE PARK IS, CORRECT? YES. 
          UM, AND YEP, SOCCER FIELDS MAKES SENSE FOR THAT TO JUST REMAIN RESIDENTIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, ON 180 9 I HAVE REMOVED THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR AND BUFFER. 
          STOP ME THOUGH, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THE MAPS IN BETWEEN. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. 
          SO ON HERE, ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTED WAS, ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTED WAS PAGE 1 71 RURAL AVENUE WAS MISLABELED AS IT'S SHOR AVENUE. 
          HAS THAT, IS THAT IN YOUR LIST OF CORRECTIONS? CAN YOU GO TO 1 71? 1 71? YEP. 
          THE MAP ON 1 71. 
          CUZ I DIDN'T SEE ANY NOTATIONS, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS YOU CORRECTED AT NOT. 
          I MAY HAVE MISSED IT. 
          YEP. 
          I THINK I'VE BEEN STARING AT THIS DOCUMENT SO MUCH THAT'S ALL BLURRING TOGETHER IN MY MIND. 
          , SO YOU DON'T DREAM ABOUT IT. 
           SEE WHERE IT SAYS YOU'RE COMING ACROSS, UM, THE RIVER. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          THAT'S HIS SHEOR AVENUE. 
          THAT'S HIS ROYAL. 
          AND THAT IS SHEELA. 
          IT HAS ROYAL AVENUE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU SEE THAT? CAN WE ENLARGE THAT PLEASE? THANK YOU. 
          1 71, THAT'S THE ONE THAT DIDN'T HAVE ROYAL AVENUE. 
          IT HAS LAUREL AVENUE AND IT SHOULD BE SHOWN DOWN. 
          SHOULD BE 14TH. 
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AND IS THAT WEST 14TH OR WEST 12TH? IT THAT COMES AROUND AND THAT'S 14TH STREET THAT RUNS EAST. 
          WHERE'S 14TH? YOU SEE WHERE, OKAY. 
          THAT'S 14TH. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVE YOUR FINGER BACK TO ROYAL AVENUE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THAT'S NOT ROYAL AVENUE. 
          THAT'S SHENANDOAH SHEOR. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          AND THEN THAT'S, SHOULD WE HAVE 14TH LABELED AS WELL, JUST FOR CLARITY? YEAH. 
          OR DO YOU THINK IT YOU'RE WELCOME TO, IT'S A MAIN THROUGH FAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN 180 9 IS THE NEXT THING THAT I SAW. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING IN BETWEEN THAT Y'ALL NOTICED? HOLD ON. 
          DID, DID YOU SAY 180 3? NO, THAT'S, THAT WAS UNDER ACTION STRATEGY IF WE NOBODY, CAN YOU GO TO 180 3 89? 180 3. 
          180 3. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT ABOUT 180 3? WHAT ABOUT, SO YOU WANT THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR REMOVED EAST WEST CONNECTOR AND BUFFER SHOULDN'T BE ON THAT. 
          OH, HERE YOU MEAN THE MAP? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEP. 
          BECAUSE WHO KNOWS WHERE THAT THING'S GONNA END UP. 
          HAVE Y'ALL GOT THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE TAKEN CARE OF YET? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL REVIEW THESE MAPS AGAIN BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE'S ANOTHER MAP THAT'S GOT A PIECE OF THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR IN THERE. 
          SO FOR THESE, THE SUBSETS OF ALL THE PLANNING AREAS, I'LL MAKE A NOTE TO JUST IN GENERAL REMOVE THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I MEAN, IF THE DESIGN OF THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR WAS MUCH MORE FORMALIZED, WE COULD SHOW IT, BUT THIS IS WAY IN THE EARLY STAGES. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO IN 180 9 MY COMMENT WAS REMOVED THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR AND BUFFER. 
          UM, I DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING FOR 1 91 OR 1 93. 
          I DIDN'T. 
          AND FOR, UM, OTHER THAN SCALE BAR. 
          SCALE BAR, OKAY, COULD YOU PAUSE A SECOND? GO BACK TO 180 9. 
          I HAVE NOTES HERE THAT SAY THAT WE SHOULD ADD APEC AND THAT THERE A LITTLE GRAY SQUARE JUST ABOVE WHERE IT SAYS CLEVELAND ROAD IS AN ERROR. 
          HOLD ON. 
          CAN YOU GO TO 180 9 OR IS IT ON A 180 9? 180 9. 
          OKAY. 
          ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE KEY. 
          ALL THESE SHEETS, ONCE WE UPDATE IT HAVE GOTTA MATCH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP MAP. 
          SO SOMEBODY NEEDS TO MAKE SURE EVERY PARCEL THAT'S ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP GETS TRANSCRIBED OVER. 
          AND IN GIS, IF YOU JUST CHANGE IT IN THE, THE BASE LAYER MM-HMM. 
          , THEN IT'LL AUTOMATICALLY UPDATE ON EVERY MAP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, THERE WAS A TOOL, RIGHT? YOU CAN JUST EXPORT IT RIGHT OUT IF IT WAS SET UP CORRECTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT'S THAT JOHN? I SAID IF IT WAS SET UP CORRECTLY WHEN THEY DID THE MAPPING. 
          OKAY. 
          , UM, THERE'S A LITTLE GRAY SQUARE THERE. 
          YES. 
          JUST ABOVE IT SAYS CLEVELAND ROAD. 
          YEP. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE THAT. 
          AND THAT'S A SMALL SUBDIVISION THAT'S EXISTING, RIGHT? THAT'S RESIDENTIAL. 
          YEP. 
          RIGHT. 
          YES. 
          THAT SHOULD BE LIKE YELLOW. 
          YES. 
          CALL ME A MEOW YELLOW. 
          UM, BUT THIS IS, WELL NO, THAT SUBDIVISION'S NOT GONNA GO ANYWHERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN FOR 1 95 I HAVE CHANGE, UM, LAND USE TO LIGHT FLEX INDUSTRIAL AND, UM, AND YOU'RE GETTING BETTER EAST WEST CONNECTOR AND REMOVE THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR AND THAT AND, AND YOU'RE GONNA PUT A BAR SCALE ON IT? YEP. 
          EAST WEST CONNECTOR AND BAR SCALE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT KIND OF SEGUES INTO THESE SHEETS RIGHT HERE THAT I PRINTED OUT FOR YOU. 
          THIS HAS THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES. 
          UM, THE CHANGES IN THE TEXT, UM, ARE IN RED AND I MADE SOME SLIGHT TWEAKS TO THE LIGHT FLEX INDUSTRIAL TO SAY MIXED USE INDUSTRIAL. 
          AND WHERE THIS CHANGES IS THAT THESE ARE INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR ADJACENCY TO COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          AND I HAVE INCLUDING A MIX OF USES RANGING FROM WAREHOUSING, LIVE WORK STUDIOS, BREWERIES, OFFICE SPACE, DATA CENTERS, CALL CENTERS, AND OTHER COMMERCIAL USES. 
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UM, AND THEN THESE USES DO NOT INCLUDE MANUFACTURING OR THE TRANSPORTATION TRANSFORMATION OF RAW MATERIALS INTO SOMETHING ELSE THAT GETS INTO MEDIUM AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES, WHICH ARE TYPICALLY NOT COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND IT ALSO, UM, THIS WOULD ALSO EXCLUDE USES THAT ARE LIKE HEAVY IN TRUCK TRAFFIC BECAUSE THE, UM, I DON'T THINK WE COULD, THE ROADS THERE WOULD SUPPORT A LOT OF LIKE 18 WHEELER TRAFFIC. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO FOR THIS, THE MAP FOR 1 95 FOR THE MARSHALL PLANNING DISTRICT. 
          HOW WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO CHANGE THIS? DO YOU WANT THIS TO BE CHANGED TO THIS MIXED USE INDUSTRIAL? UM, DO YOU WANT SOME COMMERCIAL THROWN IN THERE? DO YOU WANT A COMMERCIAL BUFFER OVER A PROPOSED EASTWEST CONNECTOR? UM, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? WOULD IT, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO JUST LEAVE IT AS IS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING? WE COULD CHANGE IT IF WE SAW SOMETHING DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE THE WAY THAT IT'S PRESENTED, IT SEEMS FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY, THEY APP APPLICANT WILL STILL HAVE TO REZONE IT. 
          THIS THIS DOESN'T REZONE IT. 
          ALL THIS IS DOING IS SAYING WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE OUT THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, JUST LIKE RESIDENTIAL, IF HE, YOU KNOW, ALREADY IT'S, IT'S MASTER PLAN FOR 818 MARKET CREDIT UNITS MM-HMM. 
           BY THE VOLUNTARY SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. 
          SO CHANGING IT TO MIXED USE INDUSTRIAL AS LONG AS IT CAN OR A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT REMAINS. 
          UM, I THINK IT, IT FOLLOWS THE INTENT OF THE VSA, WHICH IS TO HAVE A MIXTURE OF USES. 
          UM, THE, THE ORIGINAL MAP WITH THAT. 
          SO THIS COVERS IT FAIRLY BROADLY, BUT REGARDLESS, HE STILL HAS TO COME IN AND GET IT REZONED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IF IT DOESN'T MATCH THE COMP PLAN, THEN IT HAS TO DO A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. 
          AND THOSE CAN BE DONE CONCURRENTLY, BUT IT IS AN EXTRA STEP IN THE PROCESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, AFTER LOOKING, ESPECIALLY AFTER YOU GUYS TALKING WITH TRANSPORTATION AND, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE AMOUNT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, EVEN WITH NOT HAVING THE 818 UNITS, WE STILL HAVE AN WOULD HAVE AN INVENTORY OF 40 YEARS AT THE CURRENT USAGE OF, OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, UH, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, FOR, TO PAY FOR AN EASTWEST CONNECTOR AND KEEP OUR TAX BASE LOW, MAYBE WE, WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE MORE, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE OUT THERE AND, AND THIS WOULD ACCOMPLISH THAT THIS WOULD, I THINK, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU KNOW, IS LOOKED AT BY MORE THAN JUST US. 
          OH YEAH. 
          UH, THE STATE LOOKS AT IT. 
          UM, SMART SCALE LOOKS AT, YOU KNOW, OUR INDUSTRIAL BASE AND THE MORE WE HAVE, UH, INDUSTRIAL AS YOU TALKING WITH VDOT, UH, AND COMMERCIAL, THE BETTER CHANCE WE HAVE OF A SMART SCALE, UH, VICTORY RIGHT ON, ON SOME ROAD CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TO THAT PROVIDED HE CAN STILL DO RESIDENTIAL IF THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT, IT IS THAT YOUR DEFINITION DOES, SO THESE, THIS DEFINITION JUST ALLOWS MORE A MIX OF INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL THAT ARE SUITABLE TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          BUT THIS IS A LIKE 604 ACRE PLANNING DISTRICT. 
          CORRECT? I I'M NOT OPPOSED TO RESIDENTIAL. 
          I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME RESIDENTIAL IN THERE, BUT YEAH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD RESIDENTIAL OKAY. 
          IN THERE. 
          AND, AND THAT WAY IT'S BROAD, RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, AS, AS COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS SAYS, THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT MM-HMM. 
          , THE BROADER WE CAN DO IT, THE EASIER IT IS FOR US TO INTERPRET DOWN THE ROAD, UH, FOR REZONINGS AND FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES. 
          UM, LIKE WE DON'T HAVE SHOVEL-READY SITES AND THAT THE STATE DOES RANK, UM, LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO FUNDING, UM, FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THEY, THEY RANK IT BASED ON LIKE, IS IT READY, ARE THEY READY TO START TURNING DIRT NOW OR IS THERE A TWO YEAR DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS THAT'S AHEAD OF WHOEVER WANTS TO COME IN THERE? YEP. 
          SO IN THE FIRST STEP, ABSOLUTELY THE FIRST STEP IS ALWAYS IS YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU WANNA DO AND IS THE ZONING ORDINANCE OR IS THE ZONING IN PLACE TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO? AND THIS, THIS WOULD ALLOW THE TOWN TO HAVE, UH, ANOTHER OPTION OF TO, YOU KNOW, FOCUS OR TO CREATE AN ECONOMIC BASE THAT WE MAY NOT CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          UM, IN PLANNING, THEY, YOU ALWAYS WANNA LOOK AT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE. 
          CORRECT. 
          I'M A LITTLE HESITANT, UH, TO ZONE ALL OF THIS 
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A FLEX INDUSTRIAL, BUT I THINK IF WE CAN MAKE SOME RESIDENTIAL IN THERE, I'D, I'D, I KNOW I'D BE A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I WOULD RECOMMEND ADDING AS AN ADDENDUM, MAYBE THE NEXT SHEET. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THE COPY OF THE MAP THAT IS LOCATED IN THE VSA MM-HMM. 
           THAT SHOWS THE ROUGH AREAS OF THEIR, UH, MIXED USE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I THINK THAT WOULD CLARIFY EVERYTHING BEYOND QUESTION THAT WE ARE, OUR INTENT IS TO HONOR THE VOLUNTARY SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT MM-HMM. 
          , SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE SAY OR CALL IT RIGHT. 
          IF YOU ATTACH THAT MAP, IT'LL GIVE SOME MM-HMM. 
           VALIDITY TO THAT VSA. 
          AND I THINK OVER TIME AS WE START TO MAKE PROGRESS ON, UM, TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS PART OF TOWN, WE CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT COMMERCIAL OR MIXED USE OVERLAYS ONCE WE GET THE ROAD RIGHT IN PLACE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          BECAUSE IF THERE'S ENOUGH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA AND WE HAVE ENOUGH INDUSTRY IN COMMERCIAL, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE CAN START. 
          WE'LL START GETTING THE NEXT GROCERY STORE THAT WE NEED OR, UM, WHATEVER SHOPPING OFF JUST TO INTERACT HERE. 
          ONE SECOND. 
          WHAT IS YOUR TIMEFRAME FOR GIVING THIS INFORMATION TO SUMMIT? SO ONCE, UM, THIS BODY HAS OUR S WHAT IS IT? OUR, OUR NEXT WORK SESSION ON THE SIXTH, AS LONG AS EVERYTHING THAT FIFTH WE TALK ABOUT. 
          YEAH. 
          THE FIFTH. 
          AS LONG AS EVERYTHING WE TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO TAKE SOME TIME TO DIGEST IT. 
          THINK ABOUT IT ON THE SIXTH I WANT YOU TO GIVE ME THE GO AHEAD TO SUBMIT THIS INFORMATION TO SUMMIT. 
          UM, THEN WE WILL, UH, HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND POTENTIALLY CERTIFY THIS IN APRIL AT THE REGULAR MEETING IN APRIL. 
          AND THEN WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IS I WILL HAVE ALREADY SENT IT TO SUMMIT, BUT YOU WILL BE CERTIFYING IT WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES AND IT WILL LIST EVERY SINGLE CHANGE THAT WE MAKE. 
          THEY WILL THEN MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND THEN THAT DOCUMENT WITH THE, THAT FINAL ITERATION WILL THEN GO TO TOWN COUNCIL FOR THEM TO ADOPT AFTER YOU VERIFY. 
          YES. 
          SO FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING, WE WILL NOT HAVE A FINAL DOCUMENT. 
          YOU WILL NOT HAVE A FINAL DOCUMENT JUST, UH, THE EXISTING DOCUMENT WITHIN A RAT PAGE. 
          YEP. 
          BUT BEFORE WE SUBMIT IT TO COUNSEL SUMMIT WILL MAKE ALL OF THOSE CHANGES. 
          YES. 
          AND WE CAN SUBMIT TO COUNSEL A FINAL DOCUMENT AND I WOULDN'T MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNSEL TO APPROVE IT IF THOSE CHANGES AREN'T MADE. 
          SO, I MEAN, WELL, I'D RATHER HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT'S, THAT COUNSEL CAN CHANGE IF THEY SO CHOOSE. 
          THAT MAY BE THAT. 
          WELL, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT'S BEYOND THE CURRENT SCOPE OF OUR CONTRACT. 
          WELL THAT'S BETWEEN YOU AND SUMMIT. 
          I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SURE YOU'LL NEGOTIATE THAT MOST ADEQUATELY. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE JUST A TECHNICAL QUESTION. 
          YEP. 
          IF ORANGE IS MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED USE MM-HMM. 
          , UM, WHAT IS MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED USE ALONG WITH, OR WHAT IS MIXED USE INDUSTRIAL ALONG WITH RESIDENTIAL, THERE ISN'T A COLOR FOR THOSE TWO TOGETHER. 
          SO THE LIGHT FLEX INDUSTRIAL IS SHOWN AS GRAY. 
          WE WOULD JUST CALL IT MIXED USE INDUSTRIAL. 
          WE CAN KEEP THAT GRAY. 
          SO WE WOULD CHANGE SOME OF THAT ORANGE TO GRAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE GRAY WOULD INCLUDE, YES. 
          NOT JUST ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT WOULD INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL AND DOWN THE ROAD. 
          HONESTLY, ONCE, ONCE WE START GETTING, UM, PLANS IN PLACE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE MAY ALSO WANNA LOOK AT WHERE ARE LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, UM, ZONES, WHERE COULD THOSE BE APPROPRIATE? BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS LIKE THE LITTLE CORNER STORE THAT YOU CAN GO TO THAT'S RIGHT. 
          BY YOUR HOUSE. 
          UM RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THE WALKING THINGS. 
          YES. 
          THAT, THAT SPEAKS TO WALKABILITY, THE NEW URBANISM THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          YES. 
          NEW URBANISM. 
          YES. 
          . 
          BUT THE LAST CALL FOR ANY COMMENTS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION IS APRIL THE FIFTH. 
          APRIL 5TH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, THE NEW DEFINITION OF MIXED USE. 
          DO WE WANT DATA CENTERS TO BE IN THAT THAT IS UP TO YOU. 
          I, WHEN I STARTED RESEARCHING OTHER JURISDICTIONS, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S JUST KIND OF COMMON PRACTICE. 
          WE KIND OF, AND THEN YOU LOOK AT LIKE THE DEFINITIONS FROM THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION. 
          THEY HAVE ABOUT A 400 PAGE BOOK ON DEFINITIONS. 
          ANYTIME YOU'RE LOOKING AT MIXED USE, INDUSTRIAL DATA CENTERS ARE NOW INCLUDED IN THAT. 
          WE CAN TAKE THAT OUT. 
          THAT IS NOT, UM, REQUIRED. 
          UM, I DO THINK THAT IN THE FUTURE, DATA CENTERS ARE GONNA BE MOVING TO, UH, SMALLER SCALE. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE MORE MICRO DATA CENTERS THAT CAN, THEY'VE GOT 'EM NOW WHERE THEY CAN, THEY HAVE SMALL DATA CENTERS ON TELEPHONE POLES, BUT YOU CAN ALSO HAVE LIKE OLD, LIKE KMARTS OR OLD RETAIL BE CONVERTED INTO SMALL DATA CENTERS. 
          THOSE I THINK MAY BE AN APPROPRIATE USE IN TOWN. 
          THEY DO GENERATE 
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A DECENT BIT OF REVENUE, BUT WE'RE FLEXIBLE HERE AND THIS IS THE TIME TO KIND OF MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          CAN WE SAY SMALL DATA CENTERS, , BUT BESIDE THE SHOP, CONVERT THE BAY SHOPS INTO DATA CENTERS. 
          BUT I'M REALLY HOPING THAT OUT OF THIS MECHANISMS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, ESPECIALLY WITH TRANSPORTATION, THAT WE CAN INVOLVE VDOT AND SOMEHOW GET OUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN ON, YOU KNOW, ON TRACK TO BE A, A VERY GOOD DOCUMENT. 
          YEP. 
          UM, AND I THINK I FOUND IN, UM, SOME OF THE PREVIOUS DIRECTOR'S RECORDS, IT LOOKS LIKE HE DID ONE IN 2015. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT ITSELF. 
          I FOUND SOME MAPS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT I'M STILL LOOKING CUZ I'D LIKE TO TAKE THAT AND KIND OF USE THAT AS THE BASIS OF WHERE WE GO FROM HERE. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE WILL TAKE THIS UP ON THE FIFTH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , JUST ANY FINAL COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S ONE MORE SHEET. 
          SO THE FIRST PAGE, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST EASIER TO TYPE IT OUT IF YOU SEE ANY EMISSIONS OR ANY ERRORS IN THIS ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS PAGE. 
          THIS JUST HAS, THIS HAS THE MAYOR PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS, TOWN COUNCIL, TOWN STAFF, AND THEN THE SPECIAL THANKS TO, OR ANY FORMER TOWN STAFF OR FORMER PLANNING COMMISSION OR TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE WORKED ON THIS PLAN SINCE WE STARTED IN I THINK AUGUST OF 2021. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          SO LET ME KNOW IF YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US BEFORE APRIL 5TH, BUT, UH, I THINK WE SEE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN WE'LL GET TO THE NEXT TUNNEL AND THEN THE NEXT TUNNEL, AND THEN WE START THE ZONING. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR, OR, OR, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES? OH, DARYL, BEFORE YOU ADJOURN, CAN I MAKE A LITTLE ANNOUNCEMENT? I'M SORRY. 
          BEFORE YOU ADJOURN. 
          I'VE GOT ONE MORE THING. 
          UM, ON APRIL 6TH AT TOWN HALL, WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING OUR, UM, UH, THE L B B C A IS GONNA BE HAVING THEIR, THEIR STATE TRAINING. 
          SO ANYBODY THAT'S INTERESTED IN PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU JUST TO WATCH ONLINE IF YOU'RE, UM, YOU WANNA LEARN MORE ABOUT, CAN YOU SEND US THAT BUTTON? YES. 
          UH, WE WOULD BE, I BELIEVE WE'LL BE, UM, TELEVISING IT ON, I GUESS, UH, OUR SWAGE SYSTEM. 
          THIS IS, WHO IS THIS? IT IS, SO OUR LOCAL BUILDING CODE BOARD OF APPEALS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THEY'RE THE BOARD THAT WILL TAKE APPEALS FOR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. 
          SO WE'VE STARTED OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, UH, COUNCIL SEATED US A BOARD EARLIER THIS YEAR. 
          THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE TRAINING BY THE STATE. 
          SO WE HAVE SET THAT TRAINING UP, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST GOOD INFORMATION FOR THE COUNTY OR THE, THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO, AND IF, IF ANY OF YOU WANNA WATCH, I CAN, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO WATCH AND AND WE CAN EVEN SEND YOU THE LINK. 
          AND THIS IS ON THE SIXTH DAY AFTER OUR YEP. 
          IT'S THE DAY AFTER. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          ALL DAY. 
          IT'S AT 7:00 AM 7:00 PM OH, IT'S NOT LONG. 
          IT'S NOT HOURS. 
          YEP. 
          7:00 PM NOPE, IT'S 7:00 PM ON THURSDAY, APRIL 6TH AT TOWN HALL. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I WOULD, I'M SURE ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSIONERS, I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THIS, UH, COMP PLAN. 
          IT'S BEEN A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS, BUT I THINK, UM, UH, CERTAINLY A, A NECESSARY PROCESS. 
          SO MM-HMM. 
          , UM, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE CAN GET THIS TO COUNSEL, UM, FOR JUNE. 
          SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS, STATEMENTS, DIRECTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNING THIS MEETING SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? NONE. 
          SO WE, UH, ADJOURNED THIS MEETING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU.
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