[Planning and Zoning Work Session on March 1, 2023.]
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CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER OF THE TRUCK AND ROLL PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION THIS WEDNESDAY, MARCH THE FIRST, 2023 AT 6:00 PM MS. PONDER, COULD YOU GIVE US A ROLL CALL PLEASE? VICE CHAIRMAN WELLS HERE.
LET THE RECORD SHOW WE HAVE A FULL HOUSE WITH STAFF.
UH, GEORGE IS UNABLE TO ATTEND THIS EVENING.
HE DIDN'T TELL ME HE WASN'T, AND I SENT HIM A PACKAGE, SO I'M NOT SURE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE NEEDED TO WAIT FOR HIM FOR ANYTHING.
UH, WORK SESSION BUSINESS TONIGHT, UM, STAFF WILL GIVE US A UPDATE ON APPLICATION NUMBER 23 0 0 7 5, THE WARREN COALITION, A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A LODGING HOUSE AT 200 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE.
I SAW THE ADVERTISEMENT IN THE PAPER.
UH, COULD YOU SIGN UP THE SPEED ON THIS APPLICATION, PLEASE? GOOD EVENING.
REQUEST FOR, UH, A LODGING HOUSE AT 200 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE.
THAT'S SHOWING ON THE, UH, DRAWING THERE, UH, THAT IS LOCATED AT THE, UH, INTERSECTION OF NORTH ROYAL AND SECOND STREET.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED SEAT TWO IN THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT.
UH, THAT'S THE VIEW OF THE FRONT OF THE HOME.
UH, THE STRUCTURE, UH, WITH THE POSTED PUBLIC HEARING SIGN, UH, THE RIGHT SIDE, LOOKING AT THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND, UM, SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THEY DO HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE THERE, UH, VIEW FROM THE BACK, UH, SHOWING THE PRIVACY FENCE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THERE FROM THE REAR.
AND, UH, SOME GRAVEL THERE THAT THEY USED FOR PARKING IN THE PAST.
UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT? YEAH.
HOW MANY SPACES WOULD THAT WELL, INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS THE APPLICATION, IF YOU REVIEWED THAT ALONG WITH THE SURVEY PLAT, WITH THE PROPOSED PARKING SPACES.
IF YOU REVIEW THE PLAT, UH, THE PARKING LOT CURRENTLY HAS SIX EXISTING SPACES DEFINED ON THE SURVEY PLAT IN THE GRAVEL.
UH, THE PROPOSED USE BY TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 48, 8 78 2 REQUIRES ONE PARKING SPACE PER ROOM AND TWO PARKING SPACES FOR EMPLOYEES.
ACCORDING TO THE SURVEY, PLA, THE PROPOSED USE HAS A TOTAL OF EIGHT PARKING SPACES DENOTED ON THE DRAWING, SO THEY DO NEED TO IMPROVE THE PARKING AREA.
SECTION 1 75 104 OF THE TOWN CODE REQUIRES ALL NEW USES OR DEVELOPMENTS, AND CHANGES OF USES SHALL COMPLY WITH THE OFF-STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 1 48.
UH, THAT'S WHERE WE GET THE, UH, TWO PARKING SPACES PER EMPLOYEES IN THE ONE SPACE FOR A ROOM.
IN ADDITION, CHAPTER 1 48, 8 70 A SEVEN REQUIRES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OFF-STREET COMPACT CAR SPACES, OFF STREET PARALLEL SPACES AND OFF STREETE PARKING SPACES SHALL INCLUDE AN AREA LOT LESS THAN 162 SQUARE FEET.
THAT'S A NINE BY 18 PARKING SPACE.
IN THE COMPACT CAR SPACES SHALL INCLUDE AN AREA NOT LESS THAN 144 SQUARE FEET, WHICH ARE EIGHT BY 18 PARKING SPACES.
UH, THE STRUCTURE WAS FORMALLY USED AS A LODGING HOUSE FROM 1989 TO 2019 WHEN THE USE WAS DISCONTINUED.
UH, TOWN CODE ONE 75,000 1 26.
WHEN DISCONTINUANCE REQUIRES, IF ANY LEGALLY NONCONFORMING USE IS DISCONTINUED FOR A PERIOD EXCEEDING TWO YEARS AFTER THE ENACTMENT OF THIS CHAPTER, IT SHALL BE ABANDONED AND IN ANY USE THEREAFTER, SHALL CONFORM TO THE USE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS CHAPTER.
HOWEVER, THE TOWN COUNCIL MAY APPROVE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THE USE TO BE REINSTATED AND CONTINUED.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY, UH, THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING.
EVENING, UH, TOWN STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR THIS USE TO BE REINSTATED.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR TOWN STAFF? UM, I ONLY HAVE ONE.
THE ON, WHAT WAS IT? WAS IT, UM, THAT A NO TITLE REPORT WAS FURNISHED TO THIS OFFICE? IS THAT A REQUIREMENT? UH, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ON THE SURVEY PLAT BY THE LAND SURVEYOR THAT THEY HIRED TO DO THE PARKING, THE PLAT TO SHOW THE PARKING ONE THERE.
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JUST STATING THAT TO THE, UH, THE APPLICANT THAT HE DID NOT, IT'S A STANDARD NOTE YEAH.THAT HE DID NOT REQUIRE, THEY DID NOT FURNISH A TITLE REPORT FOR THE PROPERTY.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THE PAVING, THE AS ARE THE PARKING AREA NEEDS TO BE PAVED.
IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE PAVED, JUST GRAVEL.
UH, THEY HAVE TO ESTABLISH THOSE SIZE PARKING SPACES.
UH, IF YOU SEE, UH, BACK, YEAH, I READ THIS RIGHT, AND THE, IT APPEARS THERE WHEN WE DID THE FIELD, WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT, AT THE FIELD THAT, UH, AS, AS THE NOTED ON THE PLA, THE GRAVEL DOES NOT ENCOMPASS THE REQUIRED AREA OF THE PARKING SPACES.
SO THEY NEED TO, UH, ESTABLISH A BETTER PARKING AREA THERE.
SINCE THEY'RE UNDER 4,500 SQUARE FEET, THEY CAN GRAVEL IT.
THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO PAY THAT.
BUT THEY DON'T NEED CARBON DIRT OR ANYTHING TO GO NO, NO.
WELL, THE PEOPLE LIVING THERE HAVE CARS HAVE WHAT? CARS? THE CODE REQUIRES IT, IT DOESN, DOESN'T MATTER.
THE CODE REQUIRES, IT'S ALL USED.
THE PARKING IS BASED ON THE ROOM AND THE EMPLOYEES, WHETHER THEY HAVE A VEHICLE OR NOT, IS NOT HERE NOR THERE WITH THE REQUIREMENT OF CODE, YOU PLAN FOR THEM.
HOW MANY ROOMS ARE THERE? SIX.
SO WE'RE TALKING SIX PARKING SPACES FOR RESIDENCE AND THEN TWO MORE PARKING SPACES FOR STAFF.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED? YES.
IF, IF THEY ACTUALLY HAVE CARS GIVEN THE SITUATION? NO.
WHETHER THEY HAVE CARS OR NOT, IT'S BASED ON THE ROOMS AND THE EMPLOYEES.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES.
IF I SAW THIS RIGHT, IT SAYS PROPOSED EIGHT SPACE, GRAVEL PARKING AREA, THAT'D BE SIX FOR THE RESIDENCE TOO, CORRECT? I THINK IT'S WARREN COUNTY BENEFIT IN HERE TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
UM, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO IGNORE, UH, ANYBODY, BUT TYPICALLY AT A WORK SESSION, UH, IT'S NOT THE FORM FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
HOWEVER, IF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR OF THE APPLICANT, UH, THEY ARE HERE, I'M SURE THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WHO OPERATED IT BEFORE? FOUR NORTH WESTERN COMMUNITY SERVICES.
AND THEY DISCONTINUED IN 19 AND NO, THEY SOLD THE BUILDING AT, AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO FIND A TENANT TO RUN SOMETHING SIMILAR UNTIL CURRENTLY.
UM, THE, THE DESIGNATION HAS A LODGING HOUSE MM-HMM.
SO IF THE C LAUREN COALITION WERE TO MOVE NEXT YEAR MM-HMM.
UM, IS THAT WHAT WE WANT? IT'S IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
IT OPERATED THIS WAY FROM 1989 TO YEAH.
2019, CORRECT ME, IT'S, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT ONE, BUT THE ONE OVER FROM IT, IT IS ALREADY A LO IT'S NOT A LODGING, BUT IT'S, IT'S AN A PART, A MULTI APARTMENT COMPLEX, RIGHT.
I'D HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THE LODGING HOUSE IS DIFFERENT.
SO A LODGING HOUSE, I'LL READ FROM THE CODE SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE.
A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING OTHER THAN A HOTEL, MOTEL OR BED AND BED AND BREAKFAST HOME WHERE LOBBYING IS PROVIDED FOR COMPENSATION ON A REGULAR BASIS PURSUANT TO PREVIOUS ARRANGEMENTS, BUT WHICH IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OR GUESS, MEALS MAY BE PROVIDED TO THE RESIDENTS IN A CENTRAL LOCATION.
HOWEVER, NO PROVISION SHALL BE MADE FOR COOKING IN INDIVIDUAL ROOMS OR UNITS.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ROOMS OR UNITS SHALL BE CONTROLLED BY THE AREA REQUIREMENTS OF THE DISTRICT IN WHICH THE USE IS LOCATED.
BUT IN NO CASE SHALL THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LODGING ROOMS OR UNITS EXCEED 10.
A LODGING HOUSE SHALL BE KNOWN AS A ROOMING HOUSE OR A BOARDING HOUSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE, THEY ARE PROPOSED TO PROVIDE? YES.
AND THEY, UH, WHETHER THE FORMER USE OF THE BUILDING DURING THAT TIME PERIOD FROM 89 TO 19, WAS THAT USE DOES A, DOES A LODGING HOUSE
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RETURN A BUSINESS PERMIT? BUSINESS LICENSE? ACCORDING TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY, ALL ENTITIES DO ANYTHING OF BUSINESS IN TOWN WILL REQUIRE A, A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.I BELIEVE THE FEES ARE WAIVED.
UM, BUT EVENTUALLY THEY WOULD NEED TO.
WELL, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS, SO IF THE, IF THE OWNER DID CHANGE AND SOMEBODY, IF THE WARREN COALITION LEFT YEAH.
AND ANOTHER PARTY CAME IN AND WANTED TO USE IT AS A LODGING HOUSE, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET A BUSINESS LICENSE CORRECT.
OF SOME SORT, SO WE WOULD KNOW YEAH.
SO IF, IF THIS GOES THROUGH ONCE THEY GET IT, THEY'LL, THEY'LL GET A BUSINESS LICENSE IN IT.
THEY'VE ALREADY APPLIED FOR THAT.
SO, SO IT'S, WE WOULD APPROVE IT.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE A SHORT TERM RENTAL WHERE THEY DON'T NEED A BUSINESS LICENSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THIS? NO, THEY WOULD, ONE THING YOU MAY WANNA KEEP IN MIND, THE C2 DISTRICT DOES ALLOW A LODGING HOUSE BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO THEY, THEY'RE ASKING FOR THIS USE TO BE REINSTATED.
WHAT, WHAT'S THIS TIME? WHAT DO YOU THINK, MICHAEL? I'M FINE WITH IT.
MY ONLY, MY ONLY QUESTION, AND, AND IF THIS IS, IF THIS IS GOING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE, FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME ARE, OR FEEL FREE TO SAY THAT THAT'S IRRELEVANT, BUT DOES, DOES THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT COME IN AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS, IS PROPER FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT YOU'RE SERVING? GOOD QUESTION.
FIRE MARSHAL MIGHT COME IN THERE.
SO WE'RE HEADING FIRE MARSH SURVEY.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S PROVIDE, THERE'S STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE FOR THE RECORD.
I'M WITH THE WARREN COALITION.
THIS IS JAMES FUNKHOUSER, WHO'S ALSO WITH THE COALITION.
AND THIS IS PHILLIP LAW, WHO'S THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING.
SO MY QUESTION, I, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF THE MEALS, IT'S A MATTER OF, AND FOR, AND, AND PLEASE DON'T TAKE US THE WRONG WAY, BUT I, I'VE, I'VE GOT A HUGE, I'VE GOT A HUGE CONCERN WITH THE WAY SOME OF OUR SH WHAT SOME OF OUR LONG-TERM RENTALS ARE, ARE RUN IN OUR TOWN.
AND, AND I I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT, THAT YOU ALL WOULD NOT DO THE RIGHT THING.
I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME KIND OF A CHECKS AND BALANCES WITH RESPECT TO THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE STAYING HERE, THAT THERE WOULD BE A CERTAIN STANDARD THAT THEY WOULD'VE WELL, IT IS A SPECIAL KIND OF, UH, LODGING HOUSE.
IT'S NOT JUST YOUR R RANDOM ONE.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S A LEVEL THREE RECOVERY HOUSE BASED ON THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF RECOVERY RESIDENCES.
SO IT HAS SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT HAVE TO BE MET.
IS THAT PERMITTED? IT FALLS UNDER THE DEFINITION OF LAING HOUSE AND WOULD BE CERTIFIED UNDER VA THAT WE ARE UPSTATE HOLDING THE STANDARDS THAT THE STATE REQUIRES YOU TO HAVE FOR THAT TYPE OF RESIDENCE.
SO DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT BUTTON? AND AGAIN, I'M NOT, I WOULD IN NO WAY TRY TO DEHUMANIZE AND I DON'T THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S AWESOME WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
DO YOU ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO, TO MONITOR HOW THOSE PLACES ARE BEING TAKEN CARE OF? THERE ARE, AND THERE'S A, THERE ARE STANDARDS THAT SOMETHING I ASKED ABOUT AS A LANDLORD, THERE ARE STANDARDS AND PROTOCOLS THAT ARE ENFORCED WHERE THIS IS NOT IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS THE TYPE OF RENTALS THAT YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT.
MICHAEL, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
CAN YOU RESPECT WHERE I'M COMING FROM? YES.
BUT THERE'S, I WOULD RECOMMEND STAFF.
MAYBE A LOT OF THOSE CHILDREN GO TO MY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND I JUST, THERE'S, HOW WOULD THAT VARY FROM A MOTEL? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT STILL, IT MIGHT NOT, IT, IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT NOT.
I, I JUST, MY CONCERN WAS FOR, SO THE WAY YOU WOULD DEAL WITH THIS IS YOU COULD, WE CAN ALWAYS LOOK INTO WRITING AND CONDITION THAT WOULD STATE THAT ANY REQUIREMENTS BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THEY WOULD NEED TO ABIDE BY THAT.
LIKE WE WOULD, WE JUST LIKE PUT SOME LANGUAGE IN TO THE APPROVAL THAT OKAY.
DO WE HAVE A CHECK? BUT IF I, BUT IF I UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT IF I UNDERSTAND, PLEASE ME.
IF I UNDERSTAND THAT'S ALREADY THERE IT IS.
IT'S THE FOLKS THAT ARE PROVIDING THE FUNDING THERE.
THEY'RE COMING IN AND PROVIDING ADDITIONAL LEVELS OF SUPER SUPERVISION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BEING CONDUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR STANDARD.
THESE INDIVIDUALS UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY COME IN, IF THEY DON'T ADHERE TO THAT, YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO YOU.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I DO HAVE A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE HOUSE AND THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, IF YOU SURE.
IT'S MAYBE A LEVEL THREE RECOVERY HOUSE IS DEFINED BY THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF RECOVERY RESIDENCES.
AND ADDITIONALLY, IN ADDITION TO THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF RECOVERY RESIDENCES, WE HAVE OUR OWN VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF RECOVERY RESIDENCES.
SO IT GOES UNDER BOTH OF THOSE.
IT'S GONNA, UH, ACCOMMODATE UP TO NINE RESIDENTS, AND IT'S GONNA HAVE A LIVE-IN HOUSE MANAGER WHO IS ALSO A TRAINED PEER
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SUPPORT SPECIALIST.TO BE ELIGIBLE TO LIVE THERE, YOU HAVE TO BE REFERRED FROM A TREATMENT PROGRAM HAVING JUST BEEN COMPLETED INPATIENT WITHIN THE LAST 30 DAYS OR ACTIVELY ALREADY IN AN OUTPATIENT TREATMENT PROGRAM.
YOU HAVE TO AGREE TO REGULAR RANDOM DRUG TEST, KNOWING THAT IF YOU FAIL A DRUG TEST, YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY DISMISSED.
YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO OBTAIN OR ALREADY HAVE GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT AS THE WEEKLY RENT IS 2 25 FOR A DOUBLE AND TWO 50 FOR A SINGLE.
YOU HAVE TO AGREE TO ATTEND THE AA OR NA MEETINGS, AND YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH YOUR ASSIGNED PEER SUPPORT SPECIALIST, OF WHICH JAMES' ONE, CREATE A PERSONAL RECOVERY PLAN, AGREE TO SAVE AN INDIVIDUALLY DETERMINED AMOUNT OUT OF EACH PAYCHECK TO ENSURE YOU HAVE THE FIRST MONTH'S RENT SECURITY DEPOSIT, PARTICIPATE IN HOUSE CHORES AND HOUSE MEETINGS.
KEEP YOUR ROOM IN ORDER, FOLLOW OTHER HOUSE RULES, AND BE IN THE HOUSE BY 11:00 PM UNLESS YOU WORK AN OVERNIGHT SHIFT.
THEY'RE SUP, THEY'RE SUPERVISED, THERE'S A LIVE-IN MANAGER.
THERE'S RULES THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW MM-HMM.
BUT IT'S THE, THE GOAL IS FINISHED RECOVERY AND TRANSITION, AND THE IDEA IS LENGTH OF THE STAGE WITH AVERAGE BETWEEN SIX AND CAN ALWAYS BE SHORTER AND LONGER.
BUT THAT'S THE DEPENDENT ON THE INDIVIDUAL, AND THAT'S WHAT A LEVEL THREE IS.
IT'S A SUPERVISED HOUSE THAT WE PROVIDED THEM WITH THE RESOURCES SO THAT WE CAN HELP THEM TRANSITION INTO THEIR INDIVIDUAL LIFE IN SIX TO NINE MONTHS.
MAY I ADD ALSO THAT THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHEN NORTHWESTERN SHUT DOWN? IT WAS IT.
SO THIS IS THE ONLY, AND WAS THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE BUILDING WITH NORTHWESTERN HUNTER? THAT'S CORRECT.
I KNEW OF AS A, UM, A BORING HOUSE OF SOME SORT MM-HMM.
SO THE ANSWER IS WE DON'T NEED HEALTH DEPARTMENT APPROVAL.
SO THEY'RE, THEY ARE, THEY'RE SUBJECT TO REGULATIONS THAT ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE CONTROL ON.
HAVE, UH, DEPARTMENTS REVIEWED THE REQUEST HERE? DID WE HEAR ANYTHING FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR ANYBODY OF WORRIED ABOUT NO.
UH, ANY KIND OF SITUATION THERE? I INVITED, UH, KALE TO COME AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE SO THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT OR THAT? ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER ON MARCH THE 15TH, UH, 7:00 PM BUT WE'RE AT THE COUNTY, UM, GOVERNMENT CENTER.
UH, WE LATE ON ON WEDNESDAY THE 15TH.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
OTHER, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK KIND OF UPDATE ON THE COMP PLAN.
SO I HAVE RECEIVED PRELIMINARY COST ESTIMATES FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE, UM, TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER.
I'M GONNA BE SENDING THAT OUT.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A WORK SESSION AFTER THE REGULAR MEETING ON THE 15TH TO DISCUSS, UM, SOME OF THE INITIAL OR THE LAST ROUND OF EDITS TO THE COMP PLAN.
AND THEN VDOT WILL BE ATTENDING YOUR WORK SESSION ON APRIL 5TH.
AND THEY WILL BE THERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THOSE COST ESTIMATES WERE DERIVED.
ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT REVENUE SHARING, SMART SCALE, ANY, ANYTHING TRANSPORTATION RELATED THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PLAN, UM, THEY CAN HELP ANSWER THAT.
AND WHO FROM VITO IS THAT GONNA BE? THAT'S GONNA BE ADAM CAMPBELL AND SHANE MCCABE WILL BE COMING.
AND I THINK WE'RE OUTTA THE ADAM BOARD, NOT STANTON, THE STANTON DISTRICT.
I, I GOT THE IMPRESSION ADAMS OUT OF, UH, STANTON.
BECAUSE HE'S ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN THIS STANTON.
YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM V BE NICE TO GET CLEARED UP AND WHAT RESOURCES THEY HAVE AVAILABLE FOR US.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY RAN THEIR MODELS, SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA FOR THEM TO COME HERE AND EXPLAIN IT.
CUZ I WON'T BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
SO WE'LL DO THAT RIGHT AFTER THE REGULAR MEETING ON THE 15TH OR NO, THEY, THEY'RE COMING MARCH, APRIL.
THEY'RE COMING APRIL, APRIL, APRIL 5TH.
AND THEN, BUT, BUT AFTER OUR REGULAR MEETING IS WHERE I'LL GO OVER THE MAP CHANGES AND COME BACK WITH A SPREADSHEET OF JUST SOME OF THE CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE, WHAT PAGES THEY'RE GONNA BE ON.
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THEN ALSO I'VE BEEN EDITING JUST THE TEXT AND THE LANGUAGE OF THE LAND USE CATEGORIES, SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT.THAT WAY WHEN WE GET TO THE APRIL WORK SESSION, YOU WILL HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME FEEDBACK FROM ME.
GIVE ME YOUR BLESSING ON THE TEXT, THE TEXT CHANGES I'M MAKING TO THE PLAN.
AND THEN THE GOAL IS THAT WE CAN GET THIS CERTIFIED AND, AND SO YOU WILL GIVE US A LISTING OF THE EDITS THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO HAVE A COMPLETE COMP PLAN.
AND WE WILL YAY OR RENEE ALL OF THEM BY AT THE APRIL WORK SESSION AT THE APRIL.
BUT I'M GONNA GIVE THIS TO YOU IN TWO WEEKS.
SO THEN YOU'VE GOT TWO WEEKS TO THINK ON IT.
AND THEN, SO IF WE CAN GET THIS CERTIFIED AND GET THIS DONE IN APRIL, THAT WAY YOU, YOU CAN GO TO COUNCIL ON MAY.
AND THEN BY MAY, JUNE COUNCIL, HOPEFULLY WE CAN APPROVE THIS THEN WE'RE ONTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE TODAY FOR THIS.
YEAH, WHICH IS, WHICH IS ON MY LIST.
I'LL DISCUSS IT HERE IN A SECOND.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ON THE OTHER, UM, KIND OF TIES INTO WHAT, UH, LAURA WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH ADAM TODAY.
HE INVITED ME TO HAVE A ZOOM MEETING AND, UM, REFRESHING FOR A V O C REPRESENTATIVE, RELATIVELY YOUNGER GENTLEMAN.
UM, A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION, UH, WAS SHARED BACK AND FORTH COST ESTIMATES, WHY THIS WORKS, WHY THIS WASN'T WORKING OR COULD NOT WORK, UM, PERSPECTIVES ABOUT THE, THE FLYOVERS AND THE EAST WEST CONDUCT CONNECTOR.
UM, AND, AND SOME OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY.
I LOOK FORWARD TO THEM COMING CUZ I, I THINK THEY WILL BE HELPFUL AND USEFUL.
UM, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, AND I COULD DEFER TO CONNIE ON THIS, UM, THE COUNCIL AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAVE CREATED A TRANSPORTATION AD HOC, AD HOC COMMITTEE COMMITTEE AND, UH, AD HOC.
THIS IS TO SAY IT'S NOT OFFICIAL.
IT'S NOT OFFICIAL, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALL TALK INDIVIDUALLY, BUT I, I THOUGHT PERHAPS WE COULD INVITE THE COMMITTEE TO SET THROUGH THE BDO PRESENTATION IF THE COMMISSION DIDN'T FEEL IT WOULD COME TO CUMBERSOME.
UM, SO WE'RE ALL, I MEAN WE'RE PLANNING, THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.
UM, LIKE I SAID, ADAM WAS VERY GOOD AT EXPLAINING THINGS.
UH, THE COST ANALYSIS, THE INFLATIONARY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WAS IN 2019, WHAT IT IS HERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE I KNOW THERE'S TWO COUNCILMEN OR COUNCIL PEOPLE, TWO COUNCIL TWO BOARD SUPERVISORS.
I KNOW THAT THEY'VE ASKED YOU TO PARTICIPATE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG HIS COMMITTEE IS, BUT PERHAPS THEY COULD SET IN THE AUDIENCE AND HEAR, AND IF WE WANT TO ALLOW QUESTIONS.
SO FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THESE NEED, THEY NEED TO TAKE MINUTES.
THEY REALLY NEED TO HAVE AN AGENDA AND THEY NEED TO PROPERLY ADVERTISE IT IF TWO OR MORE FROM EACH BOARD SHOW UP.
WELL, SO WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO IN ADVANCE MAKE SURE THAT IT IS PROPERLY ADVERTISED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE.
AND I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THEM AS BEING THE MINUTE TAKER FOR THAT
WELL, I'M, YOU KNOW, I YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY JUST FIGURING IT ALL.
HUH? THIS IS, WELL, AND THIS, I DON'T, I GET THE SENSE THAT THERE HASN'T EVER BEEN, AND THIS IS JUST TOTALLY INTU, YOU KNOW, INTUITIVE, THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN A JOINT TOWN COUNTY COLLABORATION LIKE THIS BEFORE BECAUSE THEY ARE LITERALLY FEELING THEIR WAY AS TO, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A RECORDER THERE TO, YOU KNOW, TO RECORD THE MEETING.
AND THEN THE QUESTION WAS, DO NOW WHO DO I GIVE THIS TO, TO TAKE UP THESE MINUTES? I MEAN, SO THEY'RE LITERALLY AT GROUND ZERO, SO TO SPEAK.
AND THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT YEAH.
BE USEFUL FOR THEM TO COME AND LISTEN.
WELL, I KNOW THEY HAD, THEY HAD, WHO'S PROVIDING LEGAL INPUT FOR THAT? THERE WERE NO, THERE WERE NO ATTORNEYS PRESENT EXCEPT, YOU KNOW, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS IT LEGAL? UM, THERE ARE ONLY TWO MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND TWO MEMBERS, SO IT WASN'T, THERE WAS THREE.
NOT, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THREE IS A MEETING.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S COUNTY'S PROBLEM.
UH, WELL YOU'RE PART OF THE COMMITTEE, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU DON'T WANT TO BE GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION COUNTY.
WELL, CAN I, LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION.
LET'S, WE ALL SAY THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY HAVE TO COLLABORATE,
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SO HOW CAN WE DO IT LEGALLY? YEAH.MY PAY, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT KNOCKING THE ID.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S, IT IS DONE WITHIN THE LAW.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT I JUST, I CARE ABOUT YOU AS A HUMAN BEING.
I CARE ABOUT YOU AS MY FRIEND OF YEAH, I KNOW.
I, WE WILL JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE ADVERTISE IT WELL AS A MEETING.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY REVERSE.
THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THEIR VDO DO THE SAME THING FOR THEM.
MAYBE WE SHOULD GO TO THAT MEETING.
I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA ASK VDO IF THEY WOULD ATTEND THAT MEETING AND THEN, CUZ IT'S JUST BEFORE THIS ONE.
AND THEN ATTEND HOURS, RIGHT? CAUSE OH, OKAY.
BECAUSE THE COMMITTEE'S GONNA MEET WITH VDOT BEFORE WE DO IN APRIL.
RIGHT? NO, I WAS, I THINK THE NEXT MEETING WOULD'VE BEEN BEFORE YOUR NEXT WORK SESSION.
SO MY THOUGHT WAS IF VDOT WAS GONNA BE HERE FOR YOURS, RIGHT.
I WOULD ASK IF WE, BECAUSE AGAIN, I ENVISION WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS DOING WITH TRANSPORTATION IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THIS COMMITTEE IS DOING.
CAUSE THEY'RE, WE'RE PLANNING AND THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO PAY FOR IT, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO GET IT TO PROVISION.
SO, UM, AND THIS IS AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING FOR US.
SO YES, WE GO FORWARD AND WE, UH, DO OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS.
BUT THEIR MEETINGS ARE TECHNICALLY THEY NEED, THEY HAVE TO BE OPEN LEGALLY SO ANYBODY CAN COME.
SO YOU CAN COME TO THESE MEETINGS.
MAY, I GUESS MY FOLLOW UP, COULD THEY JUST COME IN ATTENDANCE TO SET IN THE AUDIENCE? THEY DON'T HAVE TO SURE, SURE.
AND, AND THEY, THEY, THEY SAID THEY, JUST IN TERMS OF THEIR FOCUS TODAY, THEY, UH, THERE WAS A COLLOQUY ABOUT THEIR FOCUS.
AND THEIR FOCUS AT THIS POINT IS SOLVING THE LANDLOCK ISSUE ON SIX SIX.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT THIS POINT BROAD.
I MEAN AS, AS THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WAS THERE.
BUT THIS BOARD NEEDS TO LOOK NOT JUST AT SHENANDOAH SHORES AS A PLAN.
WE, FOR ME, DID YOU GET ANY MONEY FROM COUNCIL FOR US TO DO A LITTLE TRANSPORTATION WORK? I AM NOT AWARE OF COUNCIL BUDGETING.
WELL, MAYBE OUR COMMITTEE MEMBER CAN GET SOMETHING FROM THIS COMMITTEE BETWEEN THE TOWN AND COUNTY TO FUND A STUDY OR JUST A, THE, THE NEXT LEVEL THAT THAT WAS DISCUSSED THERE, THAT'S ON THEIR RADAR.
WELL, I, I THINK THE COMMISSION WILL FIND IT ENLIGHTENING WHAT ADAM AND HIS ABSOLUTELY HAS TO SAY.
AND UM, BY THE WAY, I THINK I GAVE ADAM YOUR NAME.
AND YOU HAD BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH.
WE'VE GOT AN ALL MAPPED READY TO GO.
WELL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION PERSPECTIVE IN STANTON, THEY'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING I, I RECOMMENDED YOU AND JOE HAS RESOURCES THAT MAY KNOW, YOU KNOW, COULD BE A RESOURCE.
SO IF HE CALLS YOU, THAT'S WHY.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO, TO DEAL WITH THEM.
LEMME JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT THE SEQUENCE RIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO BE AT OUR WORK SESSION ON MARCH 15TH, WHERE THAT'S FOR COMP PLAN MEETING.
IS THERE A RISK THAT NEW INFORMATION WILL COME TO US AT THE APRIL 5TH MEETING FROM V D A THAT MIGHT AFFECT WHAT WE HAVE? NO, YOU'LL HAVE THE INFORMATION FROM VITA.
I WILL SEND THAT OUT TO YOU IN PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING ON THE 15TH.
SO WE HAVE THE INFORMATION BEFORE THE 15, BUT AT THIS POINT, OKAY.
THIS DOCUMENT CAN BE CHANGED DOWN THE ROAD.
WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET IT PERFECT.
SAY LIVING DOCUMENT, WE'VE GOTTA START MOVING IT FORWARD.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT.
BUT, BUT TO MARCH 15TH MEETING YOU WILL HAVE A LIST.
THE EVIDENCE THAT, THAT ARE CURRENTLY APPLIED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND I WILL HAVE FROM THE 15TH TO THE FIFTH IS FOR US TO LOOK AT.
AND BY THE FIFTH YOU NEED FINAL COMMENTS.
AND THEN, AND THEN SUMMIT WILL UH, GIVE US ONE NEW VERSION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE CAN BOTH YOU OR NA ON.
I THINK THE WAY THIS IS GONNA WORK, AND I'VE STILL GOTTA TALK WITH SUMMIT ON THIS, THEY WILL DO ONE MORE, ONE MORE FINAL EDIT AND THEN THEY ARE NO LONGER TOUCHING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS WILL BE THE LAST AND I, I THAT'S GOOD.
I'M, IT IS ON CAMERA THIS LAST EDIT.
AND SPEAKING OF THAT LIKE THAT, THE, THE NEXT PHASE OF THIS PROJECT IS THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
CAN WE GET OFF TO A LITTLE BETTER START ON THIS ONE THAN MAYBE WHAT HAPPENED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SO WHAT I'M HOPING TO GET TO
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YOU, AND I HAVE TO VERIFY THIS IN A MEETING, SO DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS.I'M HOPING TO JUST GET YOU A DRAFT OF THE NEW ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, AND THEN I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, SO THEY WERE CONTRACTED AND MIND YOU, THIS CONTRACT WAS DONE PRIOR TO ME WORKING HERE.
UM, AND NO PLAN COMMISSION INPUT.
UM, THE FORMER TOWN MANAGER CONTRACTED WITH SUMMIT ENGINEERING.
TO REWRITE THE COMPREHENSIVE OF PLAN AND THEN THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
SO THAT'S CHAPTER 1 75 FROM 1 48.
UM, THE DESIGN WAS SO THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALIGNS WITH THE GOALS AND THE MA THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THIS IS A COMPLETE OVERHAUL.
THEY'VE TAKEN OUR ORDINANCE, THEY'VE STARTED, UM, THEY'VE JUST STARTED REDLINING IT.
SO AREAS WHERE WE ARE NOT IN LINE WITH STATE CODE BECAUSE OUR CODE HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED SINCE, YOU KNOW, THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
THAT WAS LIKE THE FIRST ROUND OF EDITS THAT THEY DID.
THEN I'VE INSTRUCTED THEM TO START LOOKING AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS ORDINANCES AND PLACES WHERE OURS ARE LACKING OR WE DON'T HAVE PROVISIONS FOR LIKE DATA CENTERS OR SOLAR FACILITIES OR RENTALS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
LOOK TO LIKE JURISDICTIONS LIKE ALARA, WHICH PUBLISHES THEIR THE ANNUAL LIKE LAND USE HANDBOOK.
UM, LOOK AT THEIR ORDINANCES, PULL FROM THE BEST PRACTICES FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS AROUND THE STATE AND WEAVE IT INTO WHAT WE ALREADY, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING TO GIVE TO YOU IS OUR ZONING ORDINANCE IMPROVED AND UPDATED AND, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY IT'S NOW IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE CODE, WHICH WE DO NOT.
AND THAT'LL BE IN MAY AFTER WE'VE PUT THE COMP PLAN TO BID.
ONCE, ONCE COUNCIL CERTIFIES OR WELL YOU CERTIFY THE COMP PLAN ONCE COUNCIL ADOPTS IT, THAT'S WHEN WE START ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE ON SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
NOW WE ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE WHERE OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IN CHAPTER 1 48 REFERENCES A LANDSCAPE MANUAL, UM, OR LANDSCAPE SPECIFICATIONS MANUAL.
THAT MANUAL, I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS TYPED, BUT THE COPY WE HAVE WAS TYPED ON A TYPEWRITER.
IT'S GOT SPECIES LISTED IN THERE THAT ARE CONSIDERED INVASIVE NOW
THEY STILL LIKE, UH, BRANFORD PAIR.
UM, AND IT RECOMMENDS LIKE PLANTING NINOS AND THOSE ARE NO-NO.
SO, UM, WE STAFF AT SOME POINT I THINK IN APRIL OF 2021, UM, UPDATED CHAPTER 1 52 OF THE TOWN CODE, WHICH IS WHICH CREATED THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE ALSO.
ALSO INCLUDED NEW TREE CALCULATIONS AND UPDATED THAT MANUAL.
BUT THAT UPDATE THE SPECIFICATIONS THERE.
DO NOT LINE UP WITH THE MANUAL THAT WE CITE IN CHAPTER 1 48 BECAUSE ONE THIS MANUAL WE HAVE NOW A CONFLICT OF TWO SECTIONS OF OUR CODE.
UM, I'M GONNA BE WORKING ON REWRITING 1 52 WHILE SUMMIT IS WORKING ON REWRITING 1 75 AND 1 48.
AND I'M HOPING TO BRING ALL OF IT TO YOU AT ONCE.
SO EVERYTHING JUST GETS UPDATED TOGETHER.
AND, AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE CODE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER REFERENCES IN OTHER PIECES OF THE CODE THAT THAT HIT HIT BACK TO THE SUBDIVISION.
I MEAN WE DEAL WITH CHAPTER ONE 70.
UM, I THINK CHAPTER NINE IS OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
PERSONALLY, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE AS BIG AS NOT THE COMP PLAN OR BIGGER THAN THE COMP.
I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE, THIS WILL BENEFIT STAFF AND I THINK PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO DO BUSINESS IN TOWN MORE SO, OR JUST AS MUCH AS THE COMP PLAN, BUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, THAT'S WHERE THINGS ARE HAPPENING ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THE COMP PLAN IS JUST YOUR BIRD'S EYE.
I MEAN IT HAS TO BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS.
UM, YOU KNOW, STANDARDS MANUAL THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED AS WELL.
IT'S A TON OF STUFF THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
WELL JUST KEEP IN MIND A GOOD PROCEDURE FOR KEEPING TRACK OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF GOT LOST IN THE COMP PLAN WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING DIFFERENT VERSIONS AND THEY WERE EDITING VERSIONS WE HADN'T EVEN COMMENTED ON YET.
AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO KEEP LOOKING AT A 300 PAGE DOCUMENT.
UH, TO SEE WHAT'S CHANGED FROM, I BELIEVE THIS, HIS CURRENT DOCUMENT IS UP TO 190 SOME PAGES.
THAT'S NOT INCLUDING 1 48 YET.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE A BIG UNDERTAKING.
I THINK THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS IS TO JUST GIVE YOU PIECES.
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COMP PLAN.WE'RE GONNA NEED, I MEAN I MULTIPLE COPIES OF IT.
I USE DIGITAL VERSIONS OF JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING.
BUT YEAH, WE HAVE TO, WE WILL MAKE AVAILABLE PRINTED COPIES FOR ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT RUNS IN.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE IN THE PAST WE CHARGED FOR THAT THOUGH.
I THINK YOU CAN RECOVER 10 BUCKS OR SOMETHING ON IT.
OH NO, THEY WERE MORE THAN THAT ACTUALLY.
WERE THEY? IT'S 25, I THINK 15 OR 25.
WHY SHOULD PAY FOR PAYMENT GLORY? ISN'T I THE ONLY TREE HUGGER HERE? CUZ I I GOT IT RIGHT HERE.
I JUST DO IT VI DIGITALLY LIKE THAT WHEN WE REFERENCE THINGS, I PULL UP THE ZONING ORDINANCE NOW DIGITALLY.
YOU MAINTAIN THAT AS A SINGLE FILE AND KEEP UPDATING.
WE HAVE A VERSION THAT NOBODY TOUCHES.
LIKE I JUST HAVE A PDF DESKTOP.
THAT'S AND THAT'S WHAT I, A STANDARD SENTENCE BUT YEAH.
AND THE CLERK OF COUNSEL KEEPS THE MOST UPDATED VERSION THAT NOBODY HAS ACCESS TO BUT SHE KEEPS UP AND THAT SHE THINKS THAT ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL.
UM, UH, ARE THE, ARE THE UH, TREE STEWARDS AND ALL THOSE FOLKS, UH, ARE THEY ALL TAKING A LOOK AT THE 1 52? YES.
SO I ATTEND THE EAC MEETINGS WHENEVER I DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT.
UM, I HAVE THEM WORKING ON UPDATING THE SPECIES OF TREES AND, AND TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF HOW WE INCORPORATED THESE NEW, UM, TREE CALCULATION OR THE CANOPY COVERAGE CALCS INTO 1 52 MM-HMM.
SO I'M HOPING THEY CAN, THEY SHOULD KNOW.
THEY SHOULD ABLE CLARITY WORK ON THAT CUZ THAT'S THEIR ACTUALLY WARTE.
UM, AND SO I'VE ALSO GOT THEM LOOKING AT UM, LIKE THE DARK SKIES ORDINANCES, WEAVING THAT INTO OUR ZONING ORDINANCE A LITTLE BETTER.
YOU CAN'T DARK SIDE OR DARK SKY, DARK SKY.
ALREADY ON LIGHT ON THE DARK SIDE.
DARK SIDE, BUT, AND THERE'S A NEW, THERE'S A NEW NAME FOR IT.
WELL, WELL IF A ZONING A SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, ARE THESE ORDINANCE UPDATES? WILL WE BE HAVING ANY PUBLIC INPUT SESSIONS ON 'EM YOU THINK? OR JUST, JUST JUST WORK SESSIONS? I BELIEVE FOR NOW IT'S JUST WORK SESSIONS AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A UM, WE'D HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT OR TEXT AMENDMENT.
JUST LIKE ANY TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU.
I HAVE LAPTOPS, UH, YOU'RE GONNA PUT ANY MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR, SO I HAVE TALKED WITH THE TOWN MANAGER.
I NEED TO SEND HIM AN EMAIL BASICALLY PUTTING TOGETHER MY TECHNOLOGY NEEDS FOR MY DEPARTMENT.
UM, BUT THAT'LL INCLUDE FOR THE BOARDS AS WELL.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING INTO GETTING SERVICES OR, OR IPADS.
I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE IT WOULD BE.
UM, TO GIVE TO ALL THE MEMBERS SO THAT ALL OF YOUR PACKETS WILL CONTINUE TO BE DIGITALLY.
IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY TO PRINT A COUPLE HUNDRED PAGES EVERY TWO WEEKS.
THE INK IS WHAT COST US MONEY MORE THAN THE PAPER RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN'T USE THE PLOTTER BECAUSE THE INK CARTRIDGE IS FOR THAT ARE $1,200.
YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE THE MONEY TO REPLACE 'EM RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN'T REPLACE OUR, OUR INK CARTRIDGES FOR PLOTTER.
WHAT DID WE, WHAT HAVE, WHAT HAVE WE ARRIVED AT? POOR DARRYL DOESN'T GET ANY LARGE MAPS.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS COMMISSIONERS HAVE? UM, A QUESTION I HAVE BECAUSE, UH, IT, IT CAME UP WHEN I WAS DOING SOME OTHER RESEARCH ABOUT FRONT ROW LIMITED PARTNERSHIP.
IS THAT GONNA BE ON OUR WORK WORK SESSION AGENDA IN THE NEAR FUTURE OR? WELL, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WELL, WHAT ABOUT FROM, I MEAN HE ISN'T HE LOOKING TO CHANGE THE FREE ZONING UNTIL HE SUBMITS OKAY.
I, I WASN'T SURE I KNEW HE CAME TO A MEETING.
I KNEW HE GAVE US LETTERS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS RIGHT WHEN I CAME ON THE BOARD.
SO HE'S BEEN, HE'S BEEN DOING THAT FOR A LONG YEAH, HE LOT OF YEARS.
HE, A LOT OF APPLICANTS DO NOT LIKE TO FILE, YOU KNOW, APPLICATIONS FOR VARIOUS ACTIVITIES BUT THEY DON'T MIND GIVING YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION HOPING YOU'LL APPROVE IT BEFORE THEY EVEN APPLY FOR
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IT.REALLY KNOWLEDGEABLE WHERE WE, BUT I WOULD POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY MM-HMM.
320 LOTS AND THEN THE 604 ACRES THAT IS MARSHALL AREA PLANNING AREA 15 MM-HMM
UM, SINGLE FAMILY OR OR MARKET VALUE, WHATEVER THEY CALL IT.
MARKET VALUE UNIT, UH, PER THE VOLUNTARY SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
AND IF YOU WERE REVIEW THE INFORMATION, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU GET A COPY FROM THE COURTHOUSE.
CAUSE OUR FILES, WE PROBABLY HAVE 20 OR 30 DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THEM FLOATING AROUND AND THE REAL ONE IS RECORDED AT THE COURTHOUSE.
SO THEY ARE THERE UNDER THE REZONINGS AND IF IT'S NOT RECORDED AT THAT COURTHOUSE, IT IS NOT LEGALLY BIND VALID.
WELL I JUST WONDERED IF IT IT WAS COMING BEFORE US IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND TRYING TO GET A HEADS UP TO WELL HE'S NOTHING.
YEAH, I THINK HE'S LIKE THE REST OF US.
HE'S THERE'S INTEREST IN THAT AREA NOW.
AND WE'VE PLANNED FOR THESE MANY YEARS THE STUFF AND NOW IT'S TIME TO GO TO THE NEXT STEP I BELIEVE, WHICH IS TO KIND OF FIRM UP THE ALIGNMENT AND DEVELOP A COST BASED ON THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DISCUSS WITH BDOT.
CAUSE ORIGINALLY F R L P WAS GONNA PUT THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR WHERE THEY WANTED IT CAUSE THEY WERE GONNA BUILD IT SO IT GOES WAY NORTH INTO THEIR PROPERTY INTO THE 600 ACRES.
WHEREAS IT MAY NOT HAVE TO DO THAT IF THEY'RE NOT PARTICIPATING AS HEAVILY IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PAY FOR IT, YOU GET TO PUT IT WHERE YOU WANT IT.
IF YOU DON'T PAY FOR IT, THEN IT GOES WHERE WE WANT
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
THIS DOES TIE INTO ANY DISCUSSIONS.
WELL IT CERTAINLY IS A VERY GOOD, WE'RE AT A VERY GOOD PLACE.
I KNOW PEOPLE ARE UPSET ABOUT SHANDO SHORES ROAD AND WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, OUR REZONINGS OUT THERE ARE CREATING PROBLEMS FOR TRAFFIC, BUT AT LEAST THERE'S INTEREST NOW.
AND WE AS A GOVERNING BODY REALLY NEED TO STAY AHEAD OF IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT.
AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN A LITTLE CONFUSION WITH ENVY HOMES UP TO THIS POINT WAS THAT THEY WEREN'T AWARE, YOU KNOW, THEY THOUGHT SOMEBODY ELSE WAS GONNA BUILD THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR AND MAYBE, MAYBE THEY'LL PARTICIPATE IN THE FUTURE IF, UH, IF, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING READY TO GO.
I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT AND GETTING, GETTING, GETTING AHEAD OF IT.
BUT DEVELOPERS PROVIDE A MECHANISM FOR ROAD CONSTRUCTION THAT LIKE WITHOUT THEM BUILDING SOME OF THIS AND, AND PROFFERING IT THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS.
IT'S JUST NOT, THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO PURCHASE THAT LAND OR CONDEMN IT KNOWS THE FUNDING.
AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO DO IT.
NO LEIS RON IS A PRIME EXAMPLE THOUGH.
THAT'S WHY WHEN THESE REZONINGS AND THESE DEVELOPMENTS COME BEFORE US, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, THAT WE ASK.
BUT I MEAN WE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID WITH THE LEASE RUN PARKWAY.
IN 1991, WE DESIGNED IT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PLANNED IN, IN 1978.
UH, WE, THEY FINALLY HAD ENOUGH MONEY IN 1991 TO MAKE THE PLANS, THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS, THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS, AND THAT'S WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO START ACQUIRING RIGHT AWAY.
AND DEVELOPERS OF ADJACENT KNEW EXACTLY HOW MUCH LAND THEY HAD TO GIVE.
AND UH, THE ONLY FAILURE WITH THAT WAS THEY, THEY DIDN'T BUILD THE FLYOVER WHEN THEY BUILT THE, YOU KNOW, WELL FOR WHATEVER REASON.
BUT THAT'S REALITY AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING TO DO.
THE SAME THING WITH THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR IS TO AT LEAST GET A PRELIMINARY PLAN DONE SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE CAN PARTICIPATE.
UM, I THINK ENVY HOLMES WAS A LITTLE BLINDSIDED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WANTED AND, BUT NOW, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO I WAS CURIOSITY GERALD, DID GENERAL HEALTH CONTRIBUTE TO THE CLUSTER? THEY DID.
THEY GAVE RIGHT AWAY AND I BELIEVE, UH, CASH CONTRIBUTION TO THE CONSTRUCTION.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE KIND OF OUT OF THAT CAUSE THE ED HANDLED THAT TRANSACTION.
SO WE MIGHT HAVE SOME MONEY COMING TO US SOMEDAY.
CONNIE SAY CONNIE MADE A FUNNY
ANY OTHER BUSINESS THAT NEED COME BEFORE THIS DELIBERATELY.
SIR, WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 6 44.