* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] ALL RIGHT. [Board of Architectural Review on February 14, 2023.] 7 0 1. WE'VE GOT EVERYBODY HERE. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND DO A ROLL CALL PLEASE. CHAIRMAN WATERS PRESENT. VICE CHAIRMAN RODIN HEER. PRESENT. MS. SNYDER? PRESENT. MS. TALLER? PRESENT. MR. VAUGHN? PRESENT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. WELL, HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE PREVIOUS MINUTES? YES. YES. ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING. I WOULD SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALRIGHT. NOW WE'VE GOT A PUBLIC HEARING FOR NO PUBLIC HEARING. NOT PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE. PUBLIC HEARING. OH, I'M SORRY. MY MISTAKE. CAN WE, UM, DO WE WANT TO, UM, ONE FIRST? YEAH. DO WE DO THE SECOND ONE FIRST? TRY OUT . DO THEY NEED TO AMEND THE AGENDA OR DOES IT NOT MATTER? UM, PROBABLY GO AHEAD AND AMEND IT. SOMEONE NEEDS TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA. GO AHEAD. POINT IT OUT. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE AGENDA FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHERE IT SAYS PUBLIC HEARING AND TO REMOVE THAT. OH, SECOND THEN THE ORDER AND THEN THE ORDER. FLIP OUT THE ORDER OF THE APPLICATION. OH. AND TO CHANGE THE ORDER THAT WE LOOK AT THE APPLICATION. SO WE'LL LOOK AT 0 0 7 FIRST. CORRECT. AND WHO IS THE SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT APPLICATION, UH OH SEVEN. FIRST EXHIBIT EIGHT. EIGHT . IS IT OH SEVEN OR IS IT OH 7 0 8? ONE OF 'EM WILL BE CORRECT, WHATEVER THE ADDRESS. IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY OH EIGHT FOR THE CO EIGHT. AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE. THEY GET PUT IN THE SYSTEM AND IT'S, IT'S WEIRD. SO NO WORRIES. I'M TEARING THROUGH THESE MEETINGS. ANYHOW, IT'S 3 0 1 EAST PROSPECT STREET, CORRECT? UM, OWNER SAMANTHA MORRISON. IS THAT YES, EAST SAMANTHA? YES. OKAY. YOU WANNA COME UP AND HAVE A SEAT? OKAY. SO RIGHT AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF EAST PROSPECT STREET AND CLOUD STREET. YES. AND THE SITUATION IS, WE'VE GOT A ROOF, A SHINGLE ROOF WAS PUT ON IN OCTOBER LAST YEAR. UM, STAFF ENGAGED COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, DEPARTMENT EMPLOYMENT OF WORK BEING COMPLETED WITHOUT A PERMIT UPON TOWN, COUNTY STAFF SITE. THE OLD METAL ROOFING HAD BEEN REMOVED. STOP ORDER WAS NOT ISSUED SINCE IT COULD EXPOSE THE INTERIOR OF THE BEHIND THE ELEMENTS PRONOUNCED SPECIFIED PERIODS OF TIME. OKAY. SO I NEED LITTLE MORE DETAIL. UM, ON THAT MORNING, WE HAD TWO, UM, I THINK IT WAS FEMALES THAT CAME IN NOTIFYING STAFF THAT THERE WAS, UM, THAT THE METAL ROOFING HAD BEEN REMOVED OR WAS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING REMOVED, UM, AT THIS PROPERTY. UM, I SENT CODE ENFORCEMENT OUT THERE. CODE ENFORCEMENT THEN CONTACTED THE COUNTY, UM, I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY CLOSE TO 11 BY THE TIME THE COUNTY GOT OUT THERE. UM, AND AT THAT POINT, THE METAL ROOF WAS COMPLETELY, IT WAS ON THE GROUND. UM, AND THEY HAD ALREADY, THEY WERE WORKING ON REPLACING HER PARTS OF THE PLYWOOD. AND, UM, WE DID NOT ISSUE THE STOP WORK ORDER BECAUSE I WOULDN'T KNOWN HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE FOR HER OR FOR THE HOMEOWNER TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND WE COULD'VE JUST BEEN LEAVING HER ATTIC IN THE HOUSE EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS. UM, I BELIEVE THE WORK WAS COMPLETED IN UNDER SHINGLE ROOF QUITE LIKE THREE O'CLOCK. I THINK. BY THE TIME I GOT BACK FROM PICKING UP MY CHILDREN, THE ROOF WAS PRETTY MUCH DONE. HMM. OKAY. AND SO WE INITIATED CONTACT. UM, SHE CAME IN, FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION, I BELIEVE, WORKING COUNTY FROM NURSING BOARD. DO YOU LIVE AT THE PROPERTY? YES. OKAY. UM, ARE YOU, HAVE YOU ALWAYS LIVED THERE OR DO YOU BUY IT RECENTLY OR? I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT GOING ON FIVE YEARS NOW. FIVE YEARS. [00:05:01] DID YOU KNOW IT WAS 2018? 2018? DO YOU KNOW IT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? NO, I DIDN'T. DIDN'T KNOW. SEE, THIS IS THE EDUCATION THING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LAST TIME. IT'S LIKE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE JUST, YOU DON'T KNOW AND THERE'S NOT, SHE'S ON THE VERY EDGE OF IT. YEAH. BECAUSE REALLY JUST THAT SIDE OF THE PROSPECT STREET RUNS DOWN. YEAH. YEAH. FRONT MINE'S NOT IN AND I'M TOO DOWN. YOU'RE, YEP. YOU'RE, YOU'RE 2000 AWAY. YOU'RE OUT HERE. THE, THE, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS WITH THAT ROOF THAT WAS THERE PROBABLY WITH THE ORIGINAL ROOF ON THE HOUSE, 1910, THAT METAL ROOF ABOUT THE LIFESPAN OF METAL ROOFS, UH, EXTENDED VERSION. BUT, UM, REPLACING IT WITH SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A STANDING STEAM METAL ROOF GOES WAY AGAINST THE, THE AESTHETIC. I MEAN, IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ROOF, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AESTHETIC. AND ON THAT BEHALF, I DID PROVIDE DOCUMENTS THAT I, YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE COPIES OF THE, UH, WHERE IT STATES THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE PROFESSIONALS IN METAL ROOFING. MM-HMM. . SO AGAIN, THE FIBERGLASS OR THE SWITCHING FROM METAL TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT IS AGAINST SOMETHING I WASN'T AWARE OF. SO YOU DIDN'T BUY A SHINGLE ROOF. YOU BOUGHT A METAL ROOF? I, YES. I, I WORKED WITH A METAL ROOFING COMPANY AND I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING REPLACED, YOU KNOW, MY ROOF. AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE METAL. IT SAYS METAL ROOFING COMPANY. EVERY COMMUNICATION STATED METAL ROOFING COMPANY. AND THAT'S THE IMPRESSION THAT I WAS UNDER. HM. ARE YOU GOING AFTER THEM FOR THAT? I GUESS I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS ALL VERY NEW TO ME. SURE. I'M, I'M A FIRST TIME HOMEOWNER. I, I WASN'T EDUCATED ON THIS TOWN AT ALL. YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE BROUGHT ME HERE MM-HMM. , AND I'M LEARNING AS I GO. THIS IS LIKE, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, FIRST TIME I'M HEARING ANYTHING, I HAD PEOPLE COME OUT TO PATCH UP LEAKS. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO THIS SITUATION WHERE I CAME TO THE RESULT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MY NEIGHBOR AS WELL. YOU UNDERSTAND. AND I CAME TO THE RESULT THAT THE ROOF NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED. YOU KNOW, I NOW HAVE A HOLE IN MY BEDROOM CEILING, YOU KNOW MM-HMM. BECAUSE OF THIS SITUATION. YEAH. SO I JUST FIGURED NEW ROOF WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I FOUND THESE PEOPLE, AS I STATED ONLINE, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T EVEN AWARE THAT I, THAT IT STILL HAD TO BE METAL ROOFING. THAT WAS A PLUS FOR ME, THAT IT WAS A PROFESSIONAL METAL ROOFING COMPANY. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN ALL OF THIS CAME ABOUT, AGAIN, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT WAS A METAL ROOFING COMPANY. I, BEFORE THE MEETING, I LOOKED UP EER. YOU WROTE ON HERE THAT EERIE FIBERGLASS TINGLE. AND I LOOKED UP IS EERIE COMPANY. AND YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT ALL THEY HAVE INFORMATION ON THEIR WEBSITE IS METAL ROOF. EXACTLY. THEY SHOWED ME A FEW SAMPLES OF THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE THIS, BUT IS THIS LOOK LIKE THIS? BUT IS THIS, I CHOSE A COLOR AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THAT TELL YOU THIS METAL ROOF. YES. NOW THEY DO HAVE A PRODUCT ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT IS METAL PANELS, BUT THEY'RE CODED AND STAMPED TO LOOK LIKE SHINGLES. BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE METAL. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE METAL. EXACTLY. IS THAT THAT IS PUT ON THERE. THAT'S WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON THERE. I MEAN, I, I HAVEN'T BEEN UP THERE. I, I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST, I HAVE TO GET UP. WE GOTTA GO UP THERE. DO YOU WANT US TO GO GRAB THE RECEIPT? SHE PROVIDED A COPY OF THE RECEIPT. I THOUGHT I DIDN'T INCLUDE IN THE PACKET. I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST THE CONTRACT. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT. GOT IT. OKAY. SURE. I'M TRYING TO PULL IT UP MY COMPUTER. IT'S JUST, I'M LOOKING AT IT REGARDLESS. IT LOOKS LIKE SHINGLES, SO YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL. RIGHT. REGARDLESS OF, EVEN IF IT IS METAL WITH GRIP GLUED TO IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF. YOU KNOW. SO WE'VE GOT THE, WE STILL HAVE THE AESTHETIC ISSUE. NOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY INSTALLED SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDN'T APPROVE OR WEREN'T AWARE WHAT THEY WERE INSTALLING, THAT'S A SEPARATE THING. UNDERSTAND THAT'S A CIVIL ISSUE. YEAH. WE CAN AT LEAST LOOK AT THE RECEIPT AND TELL YOU IF YOU'VE GOT GROUNDS. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. UNFORTUNATELY, I JUST, WE CAN'T, UH, CAUSE I YOU BOUGHT IT FROM A HOUSE FLIPPER. IS THAT WHAT THEY DO? YEAH. THE HOUSE FROM A HOUSE FLIPPER. SOMEBODY WENT IN THERE AND FIXED IT UP JUST ENOUGH TO SELL IT. PLEASE SELL IT. AND THAT'S, AND AGAIN, I'M A NEW OWNER AND THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT I'M LEARNING. YOU UNDERSTAND? I OF COURSE PEOPLE LESSON LEARNED. I KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE I'VE COME TO THAT CONCLUSION MYSELF. THEY PUT A COUPLE BANDAIDS. MM-HMM. , WHAT IS YOUR REAL NAME? METAL. MY REALTOR SIR IS, UH, REMAX CYNTHIA [00:10:02] RE MAX. KNOW THAT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE FINDING SIM METAL, BUT YEAH. OKAY. I FOUND HER PROBABLY WOULDN'T OR THEY SHOULD LOOK IT UP. THEY SHOULD. THAT'S THE THING THE REALTORS NEED TO CHECK. AND I MEAN, I MEAN, ANY OF THE REALTORS THAT I KNOW IN TOWN, STILL A STILL 1910. YEAH. THEY KNOW IT'S THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. I'LL GET, I CAN MAYBE GIVE SOMEBODY FROM MONASAS LIKE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. SURE. UM, AND STILL STRETCH A REALTOR SHOULD. THEY'RE NEIGHBORS. THEY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO YES, THEY DO. BUT LAUREN, YOU WERE ON AS . YEP. AND YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T I KNOW. YEAH. THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS SELLING HOUSES BOAT. YEAH. . YEAH. THEY DON'T CARE WHERE THEY ARE. . RIGHT. I MEAN, WHEN I MOVED INTO MINE, I GOT AN ESTIMATE TO GET A NEW METAL ROOF. AND THEY SAID THAT I ASKED YOU TO PULL THE PERMITS AND CHECK THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THEY SAID THAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOMEOWNER. THEY DIDN'T DO THAT. YEAH. I WAS LUCKY. MY WHY THEY EVEN DOING CONTRACT. OH GOD PERMIT THOUGH. CUZ THAT AFFECTS THEIR BUSINESS. SO IT, OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, UNLESS LIKE WE TYPICALLY DON'T REQUIRE, UM, A ZONING OR, OR A ZONING, UM, PERMIT OR A ROOF UNLESS, OR A RESIDENTIAL ROOF, UNLESS YOU'RE REPLACING I THINK IT'S LIKE 30% OF THE UNDERLAYMENT. UM, A CHANGE OF MATERIAL. IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THERE'S A CHANGE OF MATERIALS. WE REQUIRE THE COA. BUT IF IT'S JUST YOUR AVERAGE PERSON OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THEY'RE NOT REPLACING THE, THE PLYWOOD UNDERNEATH BEYOND A CERTAIN EXTENT. THEY DON'T NEED A PERMIT FROM US. IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE, THEY ABSOLUTELY NEED A ZONING PERMIT. BUT, UM, SO TO CHANGE THE MATERIALS ON A ROOF, BUT SO IF THEY DON'T CHECK, IF THEY DON'T CALL US AND SAY, HEY, I'M GETTING A NEW ROOF. DO I NEED TO DO ANYTHING? AND WE GO, WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? FIGURE OUT IF YOU'RE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FIRST. UM, IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. AND IF THEY'RE CHANGING LIFE FOR LIFE, THEY DON'T EVEN NEED NO. LIKE FOR LIKE NO, BUT IF YOU'RE CHANGING STANDING SEEMED ASPHALT, CONNIE WAS SAYING THERE SHOULD BE LIKE A REPORT FROM A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER SAYING THAT YOUR ROOF CAN HOLD THE ASPHALT. YEAH. CAUSE THEY'RE HEAVIER. YEAH. YEAH. BY A LOT. YEAH. THAT'S LOT OF RED FLAG. SO YOU CAN HAVE MORE PROBLEMS WITH THE ONES ON THERE NOW. AND TYPICALLY THE MIDDLE ROOF, AS LONG AS YOU KEEP 'EM PAINTED, THEY'LL LAST, YOU'LL LAST FOR A HUNDRED YEARS. WELL, IT'S BEEN A HUNDRED YEARS. WELL IT HAS BEEN A HUNDRED YEARS, BUT YEAH. YEAH. A COUPLE YEARS AGO I HAD MINES STRIPPED. I'M ACTUALLY ONE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL. OH, OKAY. I LIVE IN THE BLUE HOUSE NEXT TO YEARS AREN'T OH YES. VERY NICE. LOVE YOUR UPKEEP, I TELL YOU. YEAH. I HAD MINES. I LOVE IT. STRIPPED AND PAINTED A FEW YEARS AGO AND I, I THINK IT WAS BETWEEN THREE AND $4,000. BUT IT DEFINITELY, IT'S AMAZING. I THOUGHT, I WAS LIKE, MAYBE YOU GUYS ARE SELLING. I WAS LIKE MAYBE GETTING READY. NOPE. NOPE. I'M IN LOVE. I'LL BLAME YOU. I LOVE IT. I'D BE QUIET. IT'S THE WARNING ON THE CONTRACT. BUT THEY DID GIVE HER THIS, THAT TALKS ABOUT THE OSES ON THE SHINGLES HERE. OKAY. SO WHEN YOU CONTACTED THEM, YOU JUST TOLD 'EM YOU NEEDED A NEW ROOF? YES. DESPERATELY. I MEAN, YEAH, IT WAS RIGHT AROUND THE STORM TIME. IT WAS A BIG RAIN COMING FROM THE, UH, STORMS THAT HAD OCCURRED DOWN SOUTH. IT WAS GETTING AFTERMATH. MM-HMM. . IT WAS ABOUT PERFECT TIMING. AND I'M I'M TELLING YOU THAT I WAS SO EXCITED. AND THEN NOW TO BE IN THIS SITUATION, WERE YOU ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF MARK? YEAH. HE SAID THEY'RE COMING. SO I MIGHT YEAH, THIS IS SAYING, SO SOMEBODY INSTALL INCLUDES PREMIUM FIBERGLASS PERFORMANCE SHINGLES. SO THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST REGULAR SHINGLES. SO EVERYTHING ON THEIR WEBSITE SAYS METAL, METAL. AND THEN A CONTRACT SAYS SHINGLES. THAT WAS THE COVER. THAT GREEN, THE FIRST PICTURE WAS THE COVER OF THE YEAH. WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED? LIKE WHERE DO THEY GIVE US THE GLASSES? I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW. HONESTLY, THAT'S NORM. ANY NUMBER. BUT YOU WOULD STILL THINK THAT THE CONTRACTOR WOULD KNOW. LIKE, I HAD A CONTRACTOR DO MY WINDOWS AND HE TOLD ME, HE SAID, YOU HAVE TO GO DOWNTOWN. YEAH. AND, AND I WOULD THINK ANY CONTRACTOR WOULD SAY, I, I I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO EVEN HAVE TOO MUCH CON UH, COMMUNICATION WITH THEM. SURE. I TRIED TO GET THE SAME PERSON TO COME OUT AND SHOW ME, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING [00:15:01] TO COME BACK OUT AND DISCUSS THE SITUATION. AND IT'S ALEX'S NAME ON HERE? YEAH. THE RYAN ON, ON THE TOP? NO, IT'S, IT IS THE ONE ON THE TOP OF THAT PAGE RIGHT THERE. OKAY. THAT'S THE GUY NAME? YES. T T YES. OKAY. . . SO YEAH, I JUST WANTING HIM TO NOT KEEP DOING THAT EITHER AND YEAH. AND MAKING SURE HE KNOWS HE HAS TO TELL HOMEOWNERS TO COME DOWN HERE. SO, I MEAN, SINCE THEN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO COME BACK OUT. UH, I MENTIONED THEY SAID THEY WERE GONNA PUT SOME BROCHURE, YOU KNOW, PIT THING IN, UH, GROUND THERE, I GUESS TO ADVERTISE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS PART OF IT AS WELL. OH YEAH, I HEARD THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A PROBLEM IF HE DID THAT AS WELL. I MEAN, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A SIGN AND HE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD APARTMENT PERSON WOULD'VE PULLED OUT THE YARD. YEAH. WRONG GOING. SO YOU CAN'T PUT IT. TYPICALLY WE LEFT CONTRACT SIGN FOR A WALL. YEAH. CAN'T BE LIKE WEEK AND WEEK TYPICALLY WHILE YOU'RE DOING THE WORK AND THEN YOU PULL IT OUT. DID THEY THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET TOO? I'M NOT SURE. KINDA LOOKED. YEAH, I WASN'T SURE. YOU I WASN'T SURE. BUT THEY, THEY INSTANTLY GOT A, GOT A ROOF. YEAH. IT WAS RIGHT AFTER YOURS. EXACTLY. THEIRS WAS ALREADY SHINGLED. SO THEY WERE, THEY DIDN'T MATTER. MATTER. MM-HMM. THE ONE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT HOUSE I'M TALKING ABOUT? THEY, YEAH. THAT HOUSE, THAT HOUSE IN COLOR AND IT'S NOW WHITE. IT LOOKS GREAT. IT, IT LOOK, IT LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER THAN IT DID. IT DOES. BUT YEAH, THEY, IT WAS, IT LOOKED LIKE THE SAME VEHICLE. MM-HMM. . SO, SEE I NEVER SAW THE VEHICLE. I WAS ALREADY GONE IN THE MORNING AND BY THE TIME I GOT HOME, IT WAS DONE. I PULLED UP WHEN I CAME HOME 30 AND SAW IT AND I WAS LIKE, I WORK AT NIGHT. SO WHEN I CAME IN IN THE MORNING, THEY WERE ALREADY BEGINNING. YEAH. THEY WEREN'T BEGINNING THEY TIME. I MEAN, CAUSE WHEN I LEFT I WAS UP HEARING ALL THE NOISE. THEN I FINALLY DRAINED IT OUT AND KNOW I WAS ABLE TO SLEEP FOUR WHILE BUT ROOF, THEY WERE DEFINITELY DOWN BY FOUR 30. YES. THEY WERE DONE BY THE TIME I GOT HOME. YES. I GOT UP ABOUT THREE ISH LEFT BACK OUT TO GO PICK UP MY FIANCE. I PICK HER UP FROM THE MANASSAS PARKING LOT. AND UH, WERE THEY ALREADY DONE? THEY WERE DONE BY THE TIME I BROUGHT HER BACK HOME. I'M PRETTY SURE THEY WERE DONE AROUND LIKE 3 30, 3 45 ISH WHEN I ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS WERE WATCHING? YEAH. EVERYBODY WAS, I WASN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. I DIDN'T REALLY NOTICE. YES. EVERYONE WAS OUT THERE. I WAS LIKE, WOW. MOLLY, YOU DIDN'T NOTICE IT, DID YOU? WHEN THEY DID? NOT UNTIL I GOT HOME. I NOTICED WHEN I GOT HOME THAT NIGHT. CAUSE I HAD TO GO TO CHARLOTTESVILLE THAT DAY. SO, UM, THEY HADN'T START LIKE, I, I LEFT EARLY THAT MORNING. SO, UM, WELL, IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, WHAT HAPPENS? SHE'S IN VIOLATION. I MEAN, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS, UH, I MEAN ESSENTIALLY I, SHE'D HAVE TO APPEAL. YOU WOULDN'T BE PERMITTING THE SHINGLE ROOF THAT SHE HAS. SO THE METAL WOULD BE THE ONLY LIKE APPROVED TYPE OF ROOF SHE COULD HAVE. SO I, IN ESSENTIALLY SHE'D HAVE TO PUT A METAL ROOF BACK ON OR SHE'D HAVE TO APPEAL IT TO TOWN COUNCIL. AND TOWN COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION TO UPHOLD THIS BOARD OR TO OVERTURN AND ALLOW HER TO KEEP THE SHINGLES. YOU'RE IN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. HMM. YES WE ARE. THAT'S, WE'RE PUTTING HER BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. RIGHT? YEAH. WE'RE JUST, I MEAN, IN THEORY, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER THE FINANCIAL RIGHT BURDEN. UM, BUT YOU'RE ALSO STILL PEOPLE. SO . BUT I, UM, I LOVE THE MIND THAT WE, WE CANNOT APPROVE THIS BECAUSE WE, WE CAN'T SET THE PRECEDENT THAT IS OKAY. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT I'M ALSO WITH A MONITOR TELLER SHE GOT TOOK FOR SURE. YEAH, NO DOUBT. THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE COULD LIKE TABLE THIS AND ALLOW HER TO LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, RECTIFY THE SITUATION WITH THE ROOFING COMPANY. GIVE HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. THE PROBLEM IS HER CONTRACT STATE. YEAH. DOES THE CONTRACT STATE THAT IT'S A METAL ROOF? NO, IT'S, I AIN'T STATE SHINGLE EVERYWHERE. IT'S A FIBERGLAS ROOFING SYSTEM. IT DIDN'T SAY. AND I THINK METAL, I'M THINKING WHAT HAPPENED IS YOU WENT ON THEIR WEBSITE, SAW METAL ROOF. METAL ROOF, EVERYTHING. NO. THEY BRING YOU A CONTRACT AND A YEAH. AND YOU'RE NOT ROOFING EXPERT. RIGHT. SOUNDS DIDN'T, I'M [00:20:01] SORRY. EVEN WHEN THEY WERE TOLD TO STOP WORK, THEY JUST KEPT GOING AND I WASN'T EVEN AWARE THAT THEY WOULD NO. SEE YES. RIGHT. STOP. I KNOW. AND THERE'S NO RECOURSE FOR THE CONTRACTOR. WE CAN'T GO AFTER THAT. NO. I MEAN, IF THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE ISN'T HERE IN TOWN AND IT'S NOT, I MEAN, BUT HOW CAN WE GO AFTER IT IF THE CONTRACT, THEY, THEY DID WHAT THEY WERE CONTRACTED TO DO. UM, AND THEY CONTRACTED SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT THEY HAD PICTURES WAS SAID. UM, BUT THEY DIDN'T PULL A PERMIT FOR IT. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO WITH THE COUNTY. THEY DO WITH THE COUNTY. THEY DID END UP HAVING TO, THEY REPLACED A GOOD BIT OF THE, UM, SHEET, THE WOOD, THE SHEETING ON THE ROOF, AND THEY CHANGED THE MATERIAL. IF YOU GO FROM METAL TO SHINGLE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENGINEERED DRAWINGS TO SUBMIT TO THE COUNTY. SO THEY DID OR DIDN'T? THEY DIDN'T. THEY DID NOT. THEY DIDN'T. OKAY. THEY DID NOT DO THAT. BUT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE FIXED, FIXED THAT FOR THAT. SO IS THERE A CHANCE THAT THE WHOLE HOUSE COULD COLLAPSE? I MEAN THAT'S DOUBTFUL, BUT NO, IT'S STRESS TO WAIT, BUT THE WAIT IS A LOT MORE THAN THAT C C METAL FOR SURE. DO YOU KNOW IF THE COUNTY EVER GRANTED THE BUILDING PERMIT? NO. MAYBE IF YOU LIKE TO TABLE THIS, WE CAN FIND OUT THE STATUS OF THE BUILDING PERMIT AND I MEAN, THE STAFF CAN TRY TO REACH OUT TO THE BUILDING OR TO THE COMPANY AND FIND OUT. YEAH. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A FEELING THAT CONTRACT PROBABLY PRETTY IRONCLAD IN THEIR BENEFIT. YEAH. OH, FOR SURE. UM, AND THE LIABILITY'S GONNA REST ON THE HOMEOWNER WHETHER SHE WAS AWARE OR NOT FOR PULLING PERMITS. YEAH. I'M ASSUMING THERE'S AND IT WAS SINGLE. YEAH. RIGHT. UM, BUT I MEAN, I CAN, I CAN TALK WITH THE COUNTY AND FIND OUT JUST WHERE EVERYTHING IS ON THEIR END. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING IF I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. YEAH. I I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY'RE AT WITH IT. OKAY. BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY REQUIRE ENGINEERED PLANS, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT WITH IT. I HAVE A FEELING IT'S JUST SITTING IN SPACE. HMM. ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS? I HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH. HAS ANYONE EVER GONE TO, I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT HAS ANYONE GONE TO COUNCIL TO APPEAL ANYTHING? YES. YES. YES. BECAUSE I, I DON'T RECALL. IN FACT, ONE OF THE LAST ONES WE DID IS UNDER COUNCIL. RIGHT. OH. HAS THERE BEEN AN APPEAL OTHER THAN THE MURPHY THEATER BUILDING? YES, THERE HAS. AND THEY WELL RETURN IT TYPICALLY. YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE BA'S COMPLAINT IS WE HAVE NO WHITE. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S BEEN, THINGS HAVE BEEN OVERTURNED. YEAH. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHICH ONE, BUT I COULD LOOK AT, I CAN NAME 'EM AND THAT'S WHERE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO COUNSEL LOOKS AT THINGS DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO LOOK AT THEM LIKE, OKAY, I SENT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL YOU LOOK AT COUNTY. ARE YOU, SO YOU'RE MAKING THE MOTION. I'M MAKING A MOTION. ONE SECOND ON FAVOR. MUST FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CONTRACTOR DID OR DIDN'T DO. AND IN THE MEANTIME, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING AND THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COST INCURRED TO YOU FOR THE, FOR THAT BEING TABLED. THINK NO, JUST I WISH THE CONTRACTOR COULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. I KNOW. SO, SO WE'VE GOT ISSUES WITH OTHER CONTRACTORS THAT DONE SIMILAR THINGS WITHOUT PERMITS AND YEAH. AND IT'S VERY, TELL US VERY DIFFICULT TO REVOKE A BUSINESS LICENSE. THE COURTS HAVE TO DO IT. AND TWO, IF THEY'RE NOT EVEN LICENSED OUT OF THIS JURISDICTION. YEAH. WELL, I'M SAYING ON THE FLIPPERS. YEAH. THE, THE SOLD OF THE HOUSE. DO YOU REMEMBER THE ONES THAT CAME IN AND SAID THAT THEY WERE GONNA CHANGE THIS ONE AND PUT IT BACK EXACTLY LIKE IT WAS? AND THEY, WHAT THEY DID, THEY VINYL SIDE IT, THE WHOLE THING? YEAH. WHERE THAT WAS ON CLOUD STREET. IT'S, OH, IT'S DOWN THERE. WHERE? UM, THE OTHER ONE UP NEAR BY THE CEMETERY, THAT HOUSE. YEP. WHERE THEY, SO THEY WERE KEEPING THE SAME WINDOW SIZES. RIGHT. AND THEY CHANGED ALL THE WINDOW SIZES. THEY COME IN, FLY TO US, AND THEY AWAY WITH US. YEAH. YEP. LOOK, ONE GAME SAYS HERE. NO, WE YEAH, WE UNDERSTAND. SO BY TABLING, LIKE WE CAN AT LEAST FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED. WELL LOOK BACK, HELP YOU OUT A LITTLE. AND THEN WHEN IT COMES BACK, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANOTHER, THE BUYERS WILL PAY ALL TAXES AND PERMITTING FEES. OH. SO THEY SHOULD HAVE COME TO YOU WITH A PERMIT FEE. BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT YOU NEED TO, YOU [00:25:01] HAVE TO GO PULL A PERMIT. I MEAN THAT'S, OH, SO SHOULD PAY A PERMIT FEE INFORMATION HAVE BILL HER RIGHTING OH. FIND OUT IF HE PAID PERMIT FEES. I DIDN'T PAY PERMIT. WELL, LET'S SEE IF THEY HIT IT , BECAUSE THEY MIGHT JUST ADD ON ONE FEES. I IF IT'S TUCKED INTO, DO THEY BREAK DOWN THE COST OR IT JUST A FLAT COST? NO, A BREAKDOWN. THEY, THEY GOT A LIST OF ALL THE STUFF NEW KIND OF DOES IT, ARE THE PERMIT FEES LISTED? NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE A, LIKE A COST BREAKDOWN. IT'S JUST LIKE A, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE PREMIUM ACCESSORIES AND MM-HMM. , WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE THING ELSE. MAYBE THEY WON'T WANT DO BUSINESS OUT HERE. LEAST KEEP THEM OUT THE TOWN. YEAH. LIKE I SAID, HE NOW RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CONTRACTOR TO KNOW THE, THEY KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. THEY WERE IN AND OUT. I MEAN, THEY DIDN'T CARE. I THINK THEY, THEY GOT CALLS. I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I THINK THEY DID BOTH HOUSES BECAUSE WE WERE OUT THERE AT LEAST THREE TIMES THAT DAY. I MEAN, I EVEN STOPPED AND WAS LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? UM, AND WE NEED TO, WE'RE GONNA BE OUT TODAY. WE NEED TO HAVE MORE CLOUT. LIKE THE EPAS, LIKE THEY'RE DILIGENT ABOUT ALL THESE REN, EPA RENOVATOR CHECKLISTS. LIKE NO, WE PUT ON THE, WE PUT DID THE JOB WASTE AND WE CHECKED FOR CHIPS AND WE DID THIS AND THAT. HE DID THE, UH, IT'S INTERESTING. SECOND BOX, RIGHT? I'M SORRY ABOUT ALL THIS. NO PROBLEM. I MEAN, IT'S NUTS. HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIGURE OUT A RESOLUTION THAT WORKS. EVERYBODY. OKAY. I HAVE A POSTPONED DATE. SOMETHING. IT'LL BE THE NEXT, NEXT MARCH, MARCH, MARCH 2ND. TUESDAY IN MARCH, BECAUSE IT MARCH 14TH. YEP. SAME DATE. THAT'S, YEAH. ANYTIME. FEBRUARY IS 28 DAYS. WE GET THE SAME DATE UPDATE ON MARCH NEXT YEAR. WE WON'T THOUGH LEAVE YOU. THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN MESSING ME UP WITH WEDNESDAY THE 22ND. ALL RIGHT. EXCITED NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. WE'LL LET YOU THANK, SEE YOU. THANK YOU. SORRY. YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH THIS. NO PROBLEM. THANK, THANK. ALL RIGHT. NEXT APPLICATION. UH, OH, 43. CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE DOORS AND WINDOWS ON EXISTING STRUCTURE. FOUR 15TH MAIN, A TWO STORY ADDITION WILL BE ADDED TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. WOOD SIDING AND A STAIR AND LANDING BUILT FROM WOOD TO ACCESS THE SECOND FLOOR. THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING STRIKE. ANY OTHER DETAILS? UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED SAMPLES. SO THESE ARE THE PROPOSED WINDOWS. THEY'RE NOT WOOD, THEY'RE ALUMINUM OVER WOOD. RIGHT. UM, AND THEN WOOD SIDING. AND THE METAL ROOF IS NOT GONNA BE RED, IT'S GONNA BE BLACK, BUT THAT'S JUST THE RIGHT, THAT'S WOOD . THAT IS WOOD. THAT'S SOME SOLID SIDING RIGHT THERE. THAT'S SOME OF THE, THE OG STUFF THAT WAS YEAH. INSIDE, RIGHT? YEAH. AND THAT'S, YEAH. COOL. YOU GUYS WANNA COME UP? SO HOW'S THE PROJECT GOING? COME ALONG SLOWLY . YEAH. UM, YOU, ANY BIG PROBLEMS THERE? UH, NO. I THINK ALL THE BIG PROBLEMS ARE STARTED BEHIND US NOW, SO THAT'S GOOD. ALRIGHT. YOU GOT A LITTLE, WE'RE LOOKING AND IT'S SOME RENDERINGS HERE. WHERE DO YOU GUYS, WHERE SHOULD WE START? HERE? WE GOT THIS, THIS FRONT, THIS FRONT PART. CAN WE START THERE? OKAY. SO WITH THE FRONT, THEY'RE JUST REMOVING THE EXISTING SIDING, THEN THEY'RE PROPOSING TO JUST REPAIR THE WINDOWS AND DOORS THAT ARE ORIGINAL DOORS. YEAH. YEAH. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING FOR THIS BOARD TO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING TO VOTE ON THIS PIECE. AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA REFURBISH THE, OKAY. THAT'S ALL STUFF THAT'S ALREADY THERE. YOU GUYS ARE GONNA YES. GOOD. SO WE'RE JUST MESSING WITH THE, WITH THE, THE ADDITIONAL BACK STUFF, RIGHT? MAINLY, YES. ADDITION. AND THEN, UM, THERE'S GOTTA BE A FEW. THIS SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKETS AND IT BREAKS IT DOWN BY WINDOWS. I THINK WE WENT OVER ALL THE OTHER STUFF LAST MEETING. YEAH. [00:30:01] SORT OF. YEAH. THIS IS, THIS IS THE NEW DOORS AND WINDOWS REPLACEMENT ONES. THE ADDITION STAIRCASE, WHICH THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BE WOOD. SO HERE WE GO. TALKED ABOUT ALL THIS. THE LAST THING WE VOTED ON WAS JUST THE DEMOLITION. RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. CAUSE WE HAD TALKED ALL RIGHT, , BECAUSE THIS ONE HAS THE, THE NEW METAL DOOR. RIGHT. AND I THINK THE BUILDING CODE REQUIRES ON OF THESE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES THAT THESE DOORS BEING METAL ALL YEAH. BUT THE ONES THAT ARE THERE ARE METAL. YEAH. YEAH. THIS SIDE HERE, UM, THESE WINDOWS, ARE THEY GETTING REPLACED OR ARE THEY STAYING? UM, THEY MAY HAVE TO BE REPLACED. IT WOULD BE REPLACED WITH SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. UHHUH . BUT, BUT TO LOOK LIKE THE ONES ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. RIGHT. FOUR PANELS. NOW THAT IS AN ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOW. IT IS, YEAH. THAT'S THE ONLY SAMPLE THEY HAD. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S WOOD UNDER THAT CLAD. RIGHT. THEY CAN MAKE IT THAT WAY. RIGHT. BUT IT TAKES TIME TO GET IT TO, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE A SPECIAL ORDER. SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY, SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOWS. THEY'RE GONNA BE WOOD WINDOWS. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE WOOD WINDOWS THAT'S SHAPED JUST NO ALUMINUM. RIGHT. RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT THE WOOD SIDING. THAT'S COOL. MM-HMM. , THIS IS THE ACTUAL WINDOW RIGHT HERE? YEAH, IT WOULD BE TWO OVER TWO LIKE THAT. OKAY. LIKE IT'S ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING NOW. AND THE HALF, DO YOU KNOW IF THIS IS THE ACTUAL SPECIFIC WINDOW THAT YOU'RE BUY? I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE EXACT SAME ONE. THIS, THIS COMPANY HERE IS THE EXACT SAME ONE. OKAY. SO IS IT GONNA HAVE AN A WOOD JAM OR AN ALUMINUM JAM? I'M ASSUMING IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A WOOD JAM. OKAY. IS WHAT THEY TOLD US. WELL, OUR BUILDER TOLD US HE GOT IT FROM 84. PRETTY SPECIAL WOOD. SO JOE'S DOING IT? YES. YEAH. HE'LL, HE'LL, HE'LL STICK ON IT. YEAH. I THINK WE, WE NEED TO SEE EXACT, I MEAN, IT IS KIND OF CONFUSING IT, A SAMPLE SITTING HERE AND WE GOT A PICTURE OF WOOD WINDOW HERE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ACTUALLY THIS WOOD WINDOW. UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING MENTIONED BEFORE WE FOUND THE SAMPLE. OKAY. UM, IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW THIS MODEL AND IT HAS A WOOD MAN AND IT'S A WOOD DOUBLE. MM-HMM. WOOD, DOUBLE HONDA SPECIFIC. I DUNNO HOW TO GET YEAH. TO GET IN FRONT OF US, BUT, SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, YEAH. THAT'S A WOOD WINDOW. YEAH. LOOK AT IT ONLINE OR WHATEVER IN THEIR CATALOG. THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A FOR US IT'S, NO, NO, I'M, I DON'T NEED A SAMPLE. I DON'T NEED A PHYSICAL SAMPLE. WE MUST HAVE AN EXAMPLE IN A CATALOG, OR THIS ONE'S GOING BE ON A WEBSITE SAYS YOU CAN PUT A CONDITION IN YOUR APPROVAL THAT STAFF WOULD VERIFY FROM THE RECEIPT THAT IT WOULD THE WINDOW BEFORE, PRIOR TO INSTALLATION. YOU CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT MAKES SENSE. DOES THAT MAKES SENSE? WAIT, THE SPECIFICATIONS FROM YOUR ORDER, JUST BRING THEM IN. THEY'LL CHECK IT AND, OKAY. SO I, I'M SURE I KNOW JOE HAD ALREADY GOTTEN A PRICE ON THAT. SO THAT STUFF IS PROBABLY ON THAT. I THINK HE SHOULD. OKAY. UH, WHAT ELSE? THEY GOT NEW METAL DOORS ON A NEW EDITION. ? YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S THE OLD ONES ARE METAL TOO, SO THEY'RE JUST REPLACING IT. NO PROBLEM. YOU HAVE TO PUT IN TWO MORE, RIGHT? NO, I THINK IT'S TWO. IS IT THREE MORE DOORS? THREE MORE DOORS. THREE MORE DOORS? YEAH. ONE ON THE SIDE, TWO DOWNSTAIRS AND ONE STAIRS. BECAUSE YOU'RE LEAVING THE TWO THAT ARE ON THE SIDE ALREADY IN PLACE, THAT'S GOING STAY THERE. BUT THAT DOOR WILL NEED TO BE REPLACED BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S FALLING APART, RIGHT? YEAH. WAIT, THIS, THIS ONE? YES. OKAY. YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE THAT ONE? YEAH. IT'S FALLING APART. IT'S, IT'S NOT, NOT GOING HOLD UP TOO MUCH LONGER. HE'S ABOUT A BUILDING THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TOUCHED IT IN 20 YEARS. WOULD THE CODE REQUIRE THAT TO BE CHANGED TO METAL? YOU REMEMBER? THAT'S EG GRASS. IT'S ALREADY, BY THE WAY, YOU'RE GOING FROM METAL TO METAL. THEY'RE ALREADY OH, RIGHT, SORRY. BUT FOR LIKE SAFETY AND STUFF, FOR THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, IT'S NOT REMODEL. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO THOSE ARE FINE. YEAH. IT'S LIKE FOR LIKE, UH, YOU DOING WOOD STAIRS THEN? IS THAT WHAT ON THE BACK? YEAH. YES, WE'D LIKE TO, YEAH. AS LONG AS WE CAN GET AN IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ACTUALLY USING WOOD WINDOWS, TRADITIONAL WOOD WINDOWS. SO I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH ANY. I'M GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? YOU MAKE A CONDITION THAT THAT'S CHECK ACCENT WRITTEN [00:35:01] DOWN SOMEWHERE. YEAH. ANYBODY WANNA POINT MOTION FOR THAT? ALL RIGHT. I'LL READ IT OFF EXACTLY AS IT IS CAUSE THERE'S A LOT, BUT GO FOR IT. COLIN . UM, I'LL PROBABLY SCREW IT OFF. . I APOLOGIZE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED, UM, WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE WINDOWS TO BE INSTALLED, UH, ARE VERIFIED WITH STAFF. MM-HMM. , UH, TO THE ALL WOOD CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. NOT FINAL OR ALUMINUM CLA PRIOR. PRIOR TO INSTALLATION. PRIOR TO INSTALLATION. YEAH. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. ALL IN PAPER. AYE. AYE. AYE. SUPER DUPER. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE OH YEAH, JUST DROP IT OFF. YEAH. I'M SURE THAT HE HAD GOTTEN THE PRICE ON THE WINDOWS TO BE DONE AND ALL THIS. SORRY, YOU HAD TO LOG THAT AROUND. . AWESOME. LOOKS LIKE THAT. IF YOU OFF. YEAH. YOU NEED NEW BUSINESS. UM, I CAN GIVE AN UPDATE REAL QUICK ON OUR COMP PLAN. WE ARE, UM, UH, GONNA BE REVIEWING CHANGES THAT WE GOT REQUESTED AND THEN HOPEFULLY, FINGERS CROSSED THAT'LL GO TO COUNCIL AND, OR SORRY, ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING PLANNING COMMISSION IN MARCH AND THEN HOPEFULLY COUNCIL BY APRIL. BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEES ON THAT. UM, AND THEN I'VE HAD OUR TOURISM PERSON, UH, REACH OUT TO OPERATE WITH THE STATE TO HELP US GET US ON THAT ROAD TO GETTING THAT CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT DESIGNATION SO WE CAN TRY TO GET SOME GRANT MONEY TO HAVE A NEW HISTORIC SURVEY DONE. I HAVE TO FIND, AND I HAVEN'T, YEAH, I'VE GOT IT AS A GOAL IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THE, UM, I'VE GOT AN IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX IN THE BACK, SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S LIKE THE GOAL FOR THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS IS TO GET THAT CERTIFICATION FROM THE STATE AND THEN ALSO LOOK AT REVISING OUR, UM, THE BYLAWS AND THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES. I THINK THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE DONE. MM-HMM. , I JUST CURRENTLY, I DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO, TO DO IT, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THERE A LITTLE BIT. A LITTLE BIT. AWESOME. AND WE STARTED PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. WE'VE DONE TWO OR THREE INSPECTIONS NOW. NICE. SURE. YEAH. BUT, UH, WE'RE JUST DOING THAT AS LIKE ON A, ON A COMPLAINT BASIS FOR RIGHT NOW ON, WE'RE PUTTING UP TRAINING FOR THE, UH, FOR THE APPEALS BOARD, UM, IN APRIL. SO HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY APPEALS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN BEFORE THEY GET THEIR TRAINING. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THERE IS TO APPEAL, BUT NEVERMIND IED FOR ANOTHER DAY. OKAY. ALL GOOD TO KNOW. THINGS ARE MOVING. ALL BUSINESS. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY WANNA SAY ANYTHING AT ALL? DO WE WANT TO ADD A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM? AND IF THIS IS OUTSIDE OF OUR REALM, THAT'S FINE, BUT DO WE WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT EDUCATION OF HOMEOWNERS? YEAH. AND EDUCATION OF REALTOR ESTATE AND HOW TO DO THAT? UM, YEAH. ESPECIALLY HOW IS THAT OUTSIDE OF OUR REALM THOUGH? OR IS IT NO, THAT'S, THAT'S IN OUR ROOM. THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO PUT IT ON NEXT. DO WE KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT NEXT MONTH OR POTENTIALLY JUST THE SMALLER WILL JUST BE THE ONE NEW TABLE TONIGHT. YEAH. SO WE CAN BE A GOOD, YEAH. I THINK WE'D MISSED THE DEADLINE FOR THE MARCH. SO WE WOULD ADD THAT TO NEW BUSINESS FOR NEXT MONTH. OKAY. CREATIVE IDEAS. YEAH. COME , IT'S GONNA BE A BIG TASK AND HARD TO DO, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE PLAN AGAIN, STAFF, I JUST GET UPSET. LIKE YOU'RE SELECT A NEW, NEW HOMEOWNER AND IT'S TAKING IT ON A RIDE. YEAH. RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, I WOULD BE, WE VOLUNTEERS, WE HAVE BOARD MEMBERS THAT CAN, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY I'D VOLUNTEERED SOME TIME. YEAH. AND I'M SURE WE COULD FIND OTHER PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEER SOME TIME TOO TO HELP WITH THAT. JUST CAUSE IT'S SO IMPORTANT. ALL RIGHT. GOOD IDEA. ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? ADJOURN IT. I'M MOTION TO ADJOURN. I SAYING THAT MOTION. [00:40:01] AYE. OH, ON A SIDE NOTE, I CAME ACROSS THIS SCOOP COMING IN THE HAND HANDY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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