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I'M THE FRONT ROW PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT'S WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY THE
[Planning and Zoning Work Session on February 1, 2023.]
FIRST, 2023.MS. POTTER, COULD YOU GIVE US A ROLL CALL TO DETERMINE WE HAVE A QUORUM? I CAN.
PRESENT? CHAIRMAN MERCHANT HERE.
WE HAVE A COMPLETE COMPLIMENT TONIGHT.
I'D LIKE TO WELCOME A NUMEROUS MEMBER.
MR. PARDON? MICHAEL WILLIAMS. UM, WELCOME TO THE GROUP.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY'VE GIVEN YOU ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED ON THE YES SIR.
ROLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER.
SOME LIGHT READING HERE, ALL THE OTHER STUFF.
HAVE YOU RECEIVED A COPY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? I HAVE.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING YOU, WE, WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE TIME BEFORE EVERYTHING IS OVER.
I READ IT, SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
I'VE JUST BEEN HANDED A MEMO FROM CONNIE NER REQUESTING, UM, WE WERE TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, WE CAN PUT IT AFTER THE, UH, OTHER ON OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
WHAT WE CALL THIS, UM, SPECIAL RESOLUTION.
THAT'D BE AFTER THE ELECTION, AFTER THE OTHER.
YOU WANNA CALL IT A SPECIAL RESOLUTION? SPECIAL RESOLUTION.
OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IN APPLICATION NUMBER 2,321 A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITY LOCATED AT 1847 NORTH ROYAL AVENUE STAFF, AS YOU'LL BE KIND TO ENLIGHTEN US.
UM, I WANNA WATCH A LITTLE BIT.
I'VE GOT A SHORT PRESENTATION PUT TOGETHER.
UM, THE APPLICATION SUMMARY YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED, UH, HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO OPERATE A SEASONAL RECREATIONAL FACILITY OFFERING INNER TUBING, KAYAK AND CANOE RENTAL WITH SHUTTLE SERVICE, BOAT RENTAL, RUSTIC AND LAKE CAMPING.
INCLUDED WITH YOUR PACKET IS THE APPLICATION, ALONG WITH THE STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION, PROPOSED ACTIVITIES, POTENTIAL FUTURE ACTIVITIES, TRANSPORTATION ROUTES, THE FLOOD ACTION PLAN, UH, TRANSPORTATION MAPS, A SURVEY, PLA, AND A SITE PLAN.
THE PARCEL 11.44 ACRE PARCEL IS LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF NORTH ROYAL AVENUE AND DEPOT AVENUE AND IS SITUATED ENTIRELY IN THE FEMA FLOOD ZONE AE, WHICH IS THE 1% ANNUAL CHANCE OF FLOODING.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS BOUNDED BY THE SOUTH FORK, THE SHENANDOAH RIVER, THE NORTH FORK, SOUTHERN RAILROAD IN NORTH ROYAL AVENUE.
AND THAT'S THE, THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN, UH, KOR.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA OF TOWN, UH, THE PROPERTY WAS FORMALLY USED BY THE BF DUB CHAPTER 1860 AND THE 10.6866 ACRE PARCEL IS ZONED A ONE WHICH ALLOWS BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR COMMERCIAL OUT OUTDOOR RECREATION, INCLUDING ATHLETIC AND PARK FACILITIES, AMPHITHEATER STADIUMS, BOTANICAL GARDENS, CAMPGROUNDS, AND SEASONAL RECREATIONAL FACILITIES.
UH, THERE IS A SURVEY PLAT OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THE LARGER PORTION, WHICH IS LABELED THERE ON THAT PLAT NEW PARCEL.
A ONE IS THE 10.66 ACRE PARCEL.
THEN THE SMALLER PARCEL, THERE'S THE LEFT LOWER LEFT THAT IS, UH, IS THE OH 0.7 ACRE PARCEL.
SO THEY SHEO OR J AND J SHORTS OWNS BOTH THOSE PARCELS.
UH, WHERE THIS APPLICATION IS FOR, UH, THERE'S THE SITE PLAN OF THE DRAWING, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
UH, ONE MAIN THING IS ENTRANCE IS HERE ON, UH, NORTH WORLD AVENUE HERE AT THE RAILROAD UNDERPASS.
UH, THEY'VE LAID OUT THEIR PRELIMINARY DRAWING.
WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO THERE WITH SOME TANK CAMPING, UH, ALONG THE RIVER BANKS.
THEY HAVE A PAVILION THERE THAT WAS EXISTING FROM THE V F W.
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AVAILABLE THERE WITH, UH, OVERFLOW PARKING, AND THEY OUTLINE SOME FUTURE ACTIVITIES THEY'D LIKE TO DO ON THE PARCEL.UH, THE ACCESS TO THE SITE IS VIA THE ONE LANE RAILROAD UNDERPASS.
UH, THIS COULD BE SOME POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH THE PROJECT ON NORTH ROW AVENUE LOCATED BEYOND THE INTERSECTION WITH DEPOT AVENUE.
UH, THERE IS A 12 FOOT THREE INCH WIDTH AND HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS FOR THE ALLOWABLE CLEARANCE AND USING THE UNDERPASS.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED THIS POTENTIAL ISSUE WITHIN THE STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION DOCUMENT ON PAGES FOUR AND FIVE.
UH, THEY ALSO HAVE INCLUDED, UH, TRANSPORTATION MAPS, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO SHUTTLE, UH, THOSE THAT COME THERE, UH, OR RIVER ACTIVITIES.
UH, THEY WILL PROCEED OUT, TAKE A RIGHT, SO THEY'RE NOT TURNING AGAINST THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
UH, GO OUT TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT HERE AND DOWN THROUGH TOWN TO THE ACCESS.
UH, THEY HAVE THREE DROP OFF POINTS THERE, HERE IN TOWN AT LURAY AVENUE, UH, ONE DOWN AT GOONY CREEK AND THE OTHER ONE DOWN AT BENTONVILLE.
THAT'S THEIR TRANSPORTATION MAPS THAT THEY HAVE PUT TOGETHER.
UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE REFINED ON THIS, UH, PROPOSED ROUTE HERE, WHICH THEY WOULD NOT BE CUTTING ACROSS TRAFFIC.
THEY'D BE GONE TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND GOING THROUGH TOWN AND COMING BACK THESE ROUTE AS THEY GO THERE TO LURAY AVENUE ALL THROUGH THE, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UH, INTERSECTIONS HERE IN TOWN.
THE OTHER ISSUE, POTENTIAL ISSUE, UH, COULD, WELL, THERE'S THE RAILROAD, UH, UNDERPASS.
UH, WE TOOK PICTURES OF IT THE OTHER DAY.
AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THAT, THAT IT DID ADDRESS THIS IN THEIR LETTER.
UH, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE YARD, THE TOWN'S, UH, UH, GARBAGE TRUCK GOING THROUGH THERE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A CLEARANCE ON BOTH SIDES AND THE HEIGHT WITH THAT.
UH, SO WE GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING WITH THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE OTHER POTENTIAL ISSUE COULD BE, UH, FLOODING.
UH, THE SOUTH FOURTH OF SHENANDOAH RIVER WATERSHED ENCOMPASSES 1,634 SQUARE MILES OF DRAINAGE AREA.
AND WHILE THE PROPERTY IS BEING LOCATED ENTIRELY WITHIN THE FEMA FLOOD ZONE AE, IT IS SUBJECT TO FLOODING, UH, YEAR ROUND.
FRONT ROW HAS EXPERIENCED 51 FLOODS IN THE LAST 120 YEARS, RANGING FROM MINOR TO MAJOR WITH THE ONE OF THE MOST MEMORABLE FLOOD EVENTS OCCURRING IN SEPTEMBER OF 1996 WHEN THE RIVER CRESTED AT 20 FEET ABOVE FLOOD STAGE AT 32.57 FEET.
UH, THE APPLICANT AND HAS ADDRESSED THESE ISSUES WITHIN THE STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION, UH, ON IN THE DOCUMENT PAGES FIVE THROUGH EIGHT IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT.
AND THEY DO HAVE A FLOOD ACTION PLAN ON PAGE EIGHT.
THE PROPERTY IS IDEALLY LOCATED ALONG THE BANKS OF THE SOUTHPORT OF SHENDU RIVER IN THE NORTH SOUTHERN RAILROAD RIVER CONJUNCTION AREA.
THIS ENABLES THE PROPERTY TO SERVE RIVER AND RECREATIONAL ENTHUSIASTS WITH NUMEROUS ACTIVITIES INCLUDING INNER TUBING, CANOE AND KAYAK RENTAL, RUSTIC AND LAKE CAMPING, AS WELL AS A FUTURE CONNECTION WITH THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY RAIL TRAIL PARTNERSHIP, WHICH WILL END APPROXIMATELY THERE.
SO THEY HAVE ALL, UH, TOOK IN, TOOK IN CONSIDERATION WHERE THE RAIL TRAIL, UH, IF THAT EVER GETS FUNDED AND BUILT, WOULD END AND THAT WILL CONNECT UP WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEY HAVE ADDRESSED THAT FOR FUTURE, UH, FUTURE PROJECTS.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND IF YOU READ THEIR, UH, STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION, SO THEY'RE HERE, THEY ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE WITH THIS PROJECT.
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WHAT, WHAT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? YOU SAID APPROVAL.
IT'S IDEALLY LOCATED RUSS ALONG THE RIVER.
HE WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU GETTING READY? YOU RUN FOR OFFICE
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MAY ASK THE APPLICANT.
WHEN, WHEN'S THE BEER GOING IN?
IS THAT, IS THAT A, IS THAT MORE LONG TERM POINT DOWN THE ROAD DEPENDING ON THE SUCCESS OF THE PROJECT TO WHETHER THEY'RE, YOU KNOW,
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WOULD BE USEFUL.NOT NECESSARY, BUT USEFUL TO HAVE TRAFFIC COMING TO THE AREA? SURE.
UM, INVOLVED OR UP UNTIL OCTOBER, I WAS AN OWNER OF ONE OF THE WHITE AND INTER TWO BUSINESSES AND THEN HAD A BREWERY ASSOCIATED WITH GOOD BETWEEN RIVER RECREATIONIST.
WHEN THEY'RE DONE ON A HOT DAY, THEY PROVIDED FAMILIES.
IS THIS THE ONE THAT WAS RIGHT BY THE EXXON? IT'S FAR FROM THE EXXON.
IT'S UP THE HILL WHERE THE, BETWEEN THE BRIDGES BETWEEN THE TWO.
CAN I ASK YOU JUST TO SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT? CAUSE WE ARE LIVESTREAMING.
IF YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM, TELL US YOUR NAME.
THAT WAY THEY CAN SEE YOU ON THE CAMERA.
UM, SO YEAH, SO THAT, UH, THAT'S A LONG TERM PLAN AND IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF LIKE ANYTHING ELSE IN BUSINESS, IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON HOW THE BUSINESS IS DEVELOPED DOWN THERE AND HOW POPULAR THEY BECOME.
IT WOULD BE A FAIRLY, FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT OUTLAY TO, TO PRODUCE A BREWERY.
WE'VE GOT RESTRICTIONS WITH THE FLOOD ZONE, WHICH I'VE EXAMINED EXTENSIVELY.
I HAVE A FUTURE OR PREVIOUS HISTORY WITH DEALING WITH FLOODING ISSUES.
I RUN A NUMBER OF RIVER BUSINESSES, UM, CURRENTLY STILL RUN ONE CALLED ASHBY GAP ADVENTURES, WHICH TOUR BUSINESS, WATERFRONT HUNTING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND, UH, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY, SO IT COULD FIT WITHIN THE AGRICULTURAL USE OF WHAT'S CONSIDERED A LIMITED BREWERY WHERE WE WOULD PRODUCE SOME OF THE PRODUCTS ON THE SITE.
WE'VE GOT A LARGE FIELD ABOUT ALMOST NINE, NINE ACRES OF OPEN FIELD RACK AND PLANT TREES, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR CIDER OR FOR BEER, UM, GRAINS, HOPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHAT TYPES OF, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S WAY DOWN THE ROAD.
WHAT I'M REALLY SURE FOCUSING ON PARTICULARLY IS THE RIVER RECREATIONAL BUSINESS.
WHAT TYPES OF INITIAL STRUCTURES ARE YOU HOPING TO, TO BUILD? WELL, WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE THE EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT ARE THE VFWS.
THERE'S A 40 FOOT BY 80 FOOT COVERED PAVILION.
SO IT'S A CEMENT SLAB WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH FOUR BY FOURS OR SIX BY SIX, SIX IS WITH A COVERED ROOF, YOU KNOW, TILE, UH, SHINGLING, SHINGLED ROOF.
UM, AND THERE'S A ALREADY A BATHHOUSE WITH TWO, THREE FEMALE STALLS AND, UM, FOUR MAIL STALLS.
AND SO I DON'T TO START THE RIVER BUSINESS AND TO EVEN WHEN IT'S FULLY, UM, FULLY BUILT OUT, I DON'T NEED ANY FULL PERMANENT STRUCTURES, PARTICULARLY CUZ IT'S FLOODPLAIN.
AND I, I, I RUN A BUSINESS LIKE THIS IN MILLVILLE, WEST VIRGINIA, WHERE WE HAVE A PROPERTY WHERE THERE WAS INTER TUBING AND CONTINUING AND BOAT LAUNCHES AND IT WAS ENTIRELY WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN.
AND WE JUST, WE DID EVERYTHING MOBILELY.
SO ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT WERE IN MOBILE, MOBILE VEHICLES.
AND SO, UM, AND WE RAN OUR CHECK-IN CHECKOUT SYSTEM OUT OF ICE CREAM TRUCK.
AND SO GUESTS WOULD COME IN, WE'D HAD STAFF INSIDE, THEY'D OPEN THE PANEL AND KNOW EVERYBODY WOULD COME UP AND WE'D DO WAIVERS AND SAFETY BRIEF, UM, ORIENTATION TO THE SITE RIVER TALK, WHICH IS EITHER OR, OR, UM, OR A VIDEO.
AND THEN WE WOULD SEND THEM ON THE WAY.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A USUALLY A ROUTE THAT PEOPLE GO, THEY'D PICK UP A PFD, THEY GET ON THE BUS OR THE OTHER VAN AND THEN THEY'D GO UP RIVER GENERALLY HERE WE'VE, WE'RE, WE'RE FORTUNATE THIS SITE'S ALMOST IS, IS FAIRLY UNIQUE IN THAT IT ACTUALLY WHERE THE BOAT RAMP IS, THE EXISTING BOAT RAMP TO THE RIVER, WHICH IS ALSO ANOTHER NICE ASSET THAT THE VFW HAD BUILT A LONG TIME AGO, UM, IS RIGHT AT THE POINT, IT'S RIGHT BY THE OLD HISTORIC BRIDGE ACROSS AVENUE BRIDGE, WHICH IS DESTROYED IN THE CIVIL WAR, THE MONUMENTS IN TOWN.
UM, IT'S ALSO WHERE THE BEGINNING OF THE BACKWATER STARTS FOR THE WARREN DAM.
SO THE RIVER ACTUALLY SLOWS ITS PACE AND BECOMES MORE OF A RESERVOIR THERE THAN IT IS A MOVING RIVER.
AND SO I HAVE THE ABILITY TO LAUNCH BOATS AND TAKE THEM OFF IN THE SAME PLACE DURING LOW WATER IN THE SUMMER.
SO PEOPLE COULD LAUNCH STANDUP PADDLE BOARDS OR CANOES AND TOLE AROUND AND I DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY SHUTTLE THEM.
UM, SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE BOTH SHUTTLED, SHUTTLE RECREATIONAL USE AS WELL AS PUT IN TAKEOUT RECREATIONAL USE THERE.
UH, IT'S ALSO A REALLY NICE, WHERE THE BLUE OUTLINE IS WHERE I'VE GOT THE TENT SITES AND I PRIMARILY WANT THIS TO BE A TENT CAMPING BUSINESS, WHICH IS LOW IMPACT, LOW REQUIREMENTS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, LOW VOLUME PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME FROM OUT OF TOWN, UM, SET UP A TENT, ENJOY THE RIVERSIDE.
THERE'S A, WHAT I CALL A NATURAL BENCH.
THERE'S A PRELIMINARY FLOOD PLANE, WHICH IS ALL I CONSIDER A 10 YEAR FLOOD PLANE, WHICH IS WHERE THE BLUE IS.
IT'S AN AREA WHERE THE RIVER BANK IS ABOUT FIVE FEET HIGH AND THEN THERE'S A FLAT AREA.
IT'S PERFECT FOR TENT CAMPING AND THEN THE RIVER JUMPS UP INTO THEIR 10 FEET TO, TO REACH THE MAIN PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE FIELD MM-HMM.
AND SO IT'S REALLY SET UP NICE WITHIN THE CANOPY OF TREES FOR TENT CAMPING AND, UM, THE, I HAVE ALLOCATED A PLACE FOR RVS.
I'M MIXED ABOUT MY INTEREST IN HAVING RVS ON THE SITE SITE, BUT IT WOULD BE ALL DRY.
YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULDN'T BE HAVING PEOPLE COME AND STAYING.
IT WOULD BE IF THEY WANTED TO COME AND RECREATE AND STAY AN EXTRA DAY OR IF THEY WERE GONNA GO HIKE AND BIKE IF THEY,
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YOU KNOW, CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKE BIKES ON THEIR RV TRIPS.IF THEY WANTED TO COME AND PARK THE RV EVENTUALLY AND, AND DO SOME BIKING OR HIKING ON THE TRAIL AND LEAVE THEIR RV FOR A COUPLE DAYS, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE IN THE BUSINESS OF.
NOT LIKE THE, THE SITE THAT WAS JUST APPROVED UPRIVER, WHICH IS AN RV PARK WHERE PEOPLE MIGHT BE THERE FOR SIX MONTHS, YOU KNOW, OR, OR I FORGET THE LIMITATIONS WHERE I THINK THERE WERE SIX MONTH LIMITATION.
WOULD THERE BE A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DAYS THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO TENT PARK OR RV PARK? I COULD SET ONE, BUT I HAVE NOT MM-HMM.
I'D LIKE TO BE, HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH THE BUSINESS, BUT SURE, SURE.
I CAN'T SEE ANYBODY A QUESTION I HAD, BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S ALREADY THERE FOR THE WATER AND SEWER FOR THE BATHHOUSE.
YOU DO NOT ENVISION PUTTING IN WATER AND SEWER FOR RVS.
AND YOU'RE AMENABLE TOO, PUTTING A, UM, A LIMITATION ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME SOMEONE CAN STAY THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S NO PROBLEM.
THERE'S A LOT OF CAMPGROUNDS NOW THAT ARE FILLED WITH PEOPLE LIVING.
AND I MET WITH MR. POE TOO, AND HE'S DESCRIBED CUZ WE MAY EVENTUALLY HAVE SOME SYNERGIES IF A BUSINESS, UM, DOES TAKE PLACE AT THE NEW, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE JUST, UH, APPROVED, UH, LIKE A ZONING CHANGE.
UM, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE SOME SYNERGIES BETWEEN THE BUSINESS.
SO HE'S GOT PEOPLE THERE THAT WANNA RECREATE AND I COULD SERVE THEM OR VICE VERSA.
AND IF SOMEONE WANTED TO STAY FOR A LONG TERM, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SEND THEM.
BUT IF THEY JUST WANTED TO COME AND BE PRESENT WHERE WE WERE WITH THE FACILITIES, THAT'S THE GOAL FOR HAVING THE, THE CAMPING.
AND IT WORKS VERY WELL IN HARPERS FERRY.
IF PEOPLE COME IN RVS, THEY CAN JUST PARK IN A PARKING LOT.
WE DON'T HAVE SERVICES FOR THEM, BUT THERE'S A BATHHOUSE THERE THAT RV PEOPLE USE AND THERE'S ALSO BATH HERE, BATHHOUSE HERE THAT'S SET UP THAT THEY CAN USE.
AND THAT WOULD BE, UM, JUST TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND A LOWER INVESTMENT ON MY SIDE.
I'VE INVESTED IN THE PROPERTY AND I'LL HAVE EQUIPMENT AND THINGS STAFF, BUT I WON'T HAVE TO BUILD A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THEN SPECIFICALLY, I DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT ALL ON STILTS, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WOULD END UP BEING THE PROBLEM.
BFW HAVE HAD, AND I'VE WORKED WITH THEM FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND I USED TO DO, UM, EVENTS HERE WITH THE VFW MM-HMM.
AND, UM, AND THERE'S STILL, THAT'S A LONG STORY, BUT I, I, UM, I HAVE THE VFWS, UM, INTEREST AT HEART TOO.
I'VE COMMITTED BY CONTRACT WHEN I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT ANY BUSINESS THAT REC THAT OPERATES ON THIS FACILITY IS GONNA DONATE THE PERCENTAGE OF ITS REVENUE OFF THE TOP TO THE VFW FOR OPERATIONAL EXPENSES.
AND, UM, AND I'M, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO HELP THEM TO FIND A NEW LOCATION, PIEING THIS PROPERTY WAS PART OF THAT MM-HMM.
UM, FEMAS REQUIRED, DO YOU UP ON STILTS AND DO YOU HAVE PROPERTY THERE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE VISION OF BREWERY, RIGHT? DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE ELEVATION THERE WHERE YOU CAN BUILD A STRUCTURE AND BE BLOOD PROOF? I CAN BUILD A DUST.
IT HAS TO BE ANY OCCUPIED SPACE HAS TO BE 11 FEET HIGH.
IT'S, UH, THE BOTTOM WHERE, WHERE I'VE POTENTIALLY CITED THAT.
UM, I'D ACTUALLY PREFER TO NOT HAVE STRUCTURES.
I MEAN, I HAD THE REQUIREMENT IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BONDED AREA FOR A BREWERY WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU KEEP THE TAXABLE PRODUCT SAFE.
THEY HAD ANOTHER TERM OF OUR, I FORGET WHAT IT IS MM-HMM.
UM, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SECURE IT.
AND SO I COULD SECURE IT IN MOBILE VEHICLES OR CONTAINERS.
UH, WE HAVE A SYSTEM IN MILLVILLE WHERE WE, WE POURED PADS, CEMENT PADS AND HAD ANCHORS ON THEM AND WE ANCHORED CONTAINERS ONTO THE SITE.
THAT'S WHAT THE FEMUR REQUIREMENTS WERE FOR HAVING A, A CONTAINER.
UM, WOULD THAT BE ANCHORED? AND SO, UM, THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION POTENTIALLY FOR STORING, UH, ANY BEVERAGES WE PRODUCE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PRODUCE 20% OF THE, OF THE, THE BEER ON SITE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU CAN CONTRACT OUT THE REMAINDER.
IS IS THE, YOU KNOW, JUST CUZ I'VE LOOKED INTO THAT IF I'M, BEFORE I INVESTED IN THE PROPERTY, IS A POSSIBLE, POSSIBLE FUTURE USE OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S FAIRLY WELL, I MEAN, KNOW THAT HAPPEN, I ENOUGH FOR IT TO HAPPEN.
BUT YOU MEAN THAT WOULD BE YOU.
IT'S REALLY SUBJECT TO HOW THE BUSINESS DEVELOPS DOWN HERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE, UM, THIS IS QUESTION AS OF STAFF.
COMING IN, UH, PROFFERS, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY PROFFERS MADE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT? NO.
THIS IS JUST A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UH, I KNOW, WELL, EXCUSE ME FOR USING THE TERM PROFFER.
UH, THEY SHOW A TRAIL ON HERE.
ARE THEY GONNA BUILD THAT TRAIL? THE RAIL TRAIL? YEAH.
UH, NO, THAT'S THE STATE OF VIRGINIA THAT'S WORKING ON, I'M SORRY, STATE OF VIRGINIA THAT'S WORKING ON THAT.
UNDERSTAND, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA TO FUND THIS PIECE OF TRAIL THAT THEY SHOW ON HERE.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO TERMINATE OVER THAT BRIDGE.
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I I'VE ALWAYS TOLD YOU IT WAS NOT LAST MEETING.TERMINATE OVER ON AND RIVERTON PROPER OVER WHERE THE YARD WAS.
YOU KNOW WHERE THE OVER WHERE THE DOWNLOAD THE YARD IS OVER IN RIVERTON.
AND THEN I THOUGHT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO THEN COME OVER THE BRIDGE AND THAT ACCESSES US AND THAT.
I'M JUST QUESTIONING THEY, THEY SHOW A TRAIL WHO'S BUILDING THAT TRAIL.
HAPPY TO, YOU'RE SAYING THE STATE'S GONNA BUILD IT.
THAT'S, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT AT ANY TIME.
I'VE HAD LONG EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE GROUPS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE RAIL TO TRAIL PROJECT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT.
UHHUH
AND IT JUST HAPPENED BEFORE THEY COULD SECURE THE FUNDS.
AND THERE'S $90 MILLION IN VIRGINIA'S FUNDING RIGHT NOW FOR RAIL TRAIL IN VIRGINIA.
AND THEY'RE, AND THERE'S A, AND I JUST TALKED TO KATE WAFFER TODAY WHO IS, WORKS WITH MR. PERRY, WHO'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, UM, HERE.
PETTY, SORRY, MR. PETTY MM-HMM.
UM, AND SHE INDICATED THAT THEY WERE CLO SHE FELT THEY WERE CLOSE TO A PURCHASE.
THEY'VE GOT A, THEY'VE GOT A NUMBER AGREED TO, AND, AND SHE EXPRESSED TO ME THAT THE BEGINNING OF THE TRAIL WAS GOING TO BE THAT JUNCTURE THERE.
THAT CIRCLE IS, AND THAT'S WHY I'VE, I WANT TO BE A MINIMAL PROPERTY OWNER.
I THINK IT'S A BENEFIT TO ME AS A BUSINESS OWNER TO HAVE PEOPLE GOING ACROSS THAT PROPERTY.
I'VE MET WITH THE ANDREAS WHO OWNED THE, THE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF NORTH ROYAL AVENUE.
THEY OWN A MILE AND A QUARTER OF RIVERFRONT AS YOU CAN SEE, UM MM-HMM.
AND SO THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE MADE MOTIONS TO DONATE THAT PROPERTY FOR THE RAIL DE TRAIL TO SUPPORT BOTH, UH, RAIL, I'M SORRY, A WALKING TRAIL WITHIN FRONT ROYAL OKAY.
AS WELL AS, UM, SUPPORT THE RAIL TO TRAIL PROJECT.
AND SO THEY, I BELIEVE ARE MOVING AND, AND I DON'T JUST WANNA SPEAK FOR THEM, BUT WHAT THEY'VE TOLD ME IS THEY'RE MOVING TO PUT IT IN A CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND THEY'RE RESERVING BATHROOMS AND PARKING ESSENTIALLY.
AND I, WHEN THEY ASKED, THEY GAVE ME, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO SUGGEST WHAT THEY MIGHT PRESERVE AS RIGHTS WHEN THEY RETIRED, THE REMAINING RIGHTS, UM, WHEN THEY PUT IT AN EASEMENT.
AND I SAID, YOU SHOULD RESERVE IT FOR PARKING FOR THE RAIL TO TRAIL.
AND THAT'S WHY I'VE GOT THE PASSAGEWAY THERE ACROSS OUR PROPERTIES CUZ IT WOULD BE NECESSARILY GIVEN TO THE RAILROAD.
NOW OF COURSE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURAL BUILDS FOR THE RAIL TO TRAIL.
THEY'LL NEED TO BUILD A STAIRWAY OR A WALKWAY TICKET, GET UP TO THE, OUT TO THE GRADE OF THE, OF THE TRAIL ITSELF SINCE IT'S BUILT UP.
UM, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD BUILD THE TRAIL TO THE PROPERTY, BUT I WOULD BE WILLING TO PROVIDE AN EASEMENT FOR THE 15.
BUT, BUT THE LOCATION OF THIS TRAIL IS ON YOUR PROPERTY, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
ARE YOU INTENDING TO DONATE AN EASEMENT TO THE TOWN FOR THAT EFFECT OR WHAT? I MEAN, I THINK, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE, IT'S OUTTA MY, YEAH.
IT'S, IT'S OUTTA MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I WOULD NEED TO DO AS A PROPERTY OWNER.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I, MY CONCERN WOULD BE FOR LIABILITY AND SAFETY IF YOU HAVE BIKERS AND PEOPLE COMING ON AND OFF THE PROPERTY.
I'D HAVE TO PROTECT FOR THAT IN, IN THE FORM PROBABLY OF A LEASE AND SOME INSURANCE TO, YOU KNOW, TO PROTECT.
SO THEY'RE BASICALLY THREE ACTIVITIES GOING ON HERE, UH, ACCESS TO THE RIVER, CORRECT? UH, I, WHO, WHO, WHO ACCESSES THE RIVER? IS THIS A PUBLIC RAMP OR? IT'S NOT A PUBLIC.
SO, AND THEN YOU HAVE TENT CAMPING, CORRECT.
RV CAMPING AND THEN SOME KIND OF RECREATIONAL EVENT AREA.
WHAT WHAT KIND OF WELL, RIGHT NOW I'VE, I'VE LED I'VE HAD THE, UM, THE LOCAL JUNIOR FOOTBALL LEAGUE CALLED MID FOOTBALL LEAGUE HAS BEEN USING THE PROPERTY FOR YEARS.
AND SO I'VE LEFT AND, AND I'VE OWED IT THIS YEAR FOR THEM.
AND THEY CONTINUE TO USE IT AND I INTEND TO CONTINUE TO HAVE IT BE A COMMUNITY PROPERTY.
I, I FEEL LIKE IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN BEEN, I MEAN, I USED IT FOR EVENTS AND I'VE USED IT PAVILION AND I WOULD JUST RENT IT FROM THE VFW AND IT'S AN UNDER A RENTAL CONDITION ESSENTIALLY, EXCEPT FOR THE MIDGET FOOTBALL LEAGUE, WHICH I JUST ALLOWED TO DO IT BECAUSE I WANTED TO SUPPORT THEM, NEED A PLACE TO DO IT.
SO, UM, SO I'VE SET THAT ASIDE.
I MAY HAVE A PERIMETER OF TREES AND AGRICULTURE AROUND IT AT SOME POINT, BUT, UM, NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO, UM, NOW THIS CONCEPT PLAN WILL, WILL THEY BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SITE PLAN FOR THE SPECIAL USE? THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANY IMPROVEMENTS.
HE'S NOT DOING ANY IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY AT ALL.
BUT IT SAYS HERE AT THE BE EXPANDED, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY SPACES THEY CURRENTLY HAVE? UH, I HOW MANY DO THEY NEED? THERE'S NO STIPULATION ON THE NEED OF THE PARKING IN OUR CODE.
SO THEY DON'T NEED ANY PARKING? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THERE'S NOT A CAVEAT IN THE CODE THAT REQUIRES PARKING BASED ON THIS.
UH, THE ONLY THING WITH THE PARKING ISSUE WOULD BE IF THE, UH, AMOUNT OF PARTICIPANTS IS OVER 2,500 AND WITH HIS STUDY THAT'S AROUND 1000.
SO THERE'S NO CAVEAT TO REQUIRE THAT WITH THE 2,500.
THEY'RE NOT AT THAT THRESHOLD.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR, SO HE'S NOT DEVELOPING ANYTHING.HE'S USING EVERYTHING THAT'S EXISTING.
HE HAS THE PAVILION, THE BATHHOUSE, THE PARKING, IT'S THERE.
WE DON'T REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING OR ANY DEVELOPMENT.
SO, SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A SIDE PLAN THEN? UNLESS THERE'S, UNLESS HE WOULD DO SOME OTHER, WHAT'S THAT? NOT YET.
LIKE IF HE GOES TO DO THE BREWERY OR BUILD A BREWERY OR BUILDS STRUCTURES ON THERE, THEN YES.
ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, EVERYTHING HE'S USING IS EXISTING IS IS ALL THAT HE REALLY NEEDS AT THIS POINT.
SO WE'RE NOT APPROVING THIS LOCATION THOUGH, FOR THE BREWERY SINCE NO, SIR.
HE'S JUST DOING, UH, CAMPING, TEMP CAMPING, UH, THE PRIVATE BOAT AREA AND THE SHUTTLE, UH, RIVER ENTHUSIASTS OFF THE PROPERTY TO THREE DROP OFF POINTS.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT TO A TRAFFIC.
HOW DO YOU ENVISION THAT WORKING AT HEIGHT OF YOUR SEASON WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING IN TO, TO RENT TO CANOES AND, AND OF COURSE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING THROUGHOUT TODAY? I MEAN, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
THAT'S ONE WAS ONE OF MY PRIMARY CONCERNS WHEN I WENT TO PURCHASE A PROPERTY.
AND THE BUSINESS THAT I OWNED IN HARPERS FERRY HAS ALMOST IDENTICAL EXCEPT IT'S A DRY STACK STONE LIMESTONE UNDERPASS RIGHT BRIDGE ON THE END OF BAKER ROAD, THE ACCESS TO THE POTOMAC ABOVE HARPER'S FERRY.
AND THEY ARE THREE OUTFITTERS USED THAT UNDERPASS WOW.
IN ADDITION TO SEVERAL THOUSAND RESIDENTS, UM, AND A AND A LARGE CAMPSITE.
AND SO I STUDIED IT JUST TO GET A SENSE FOR, UM, WHAT THE NUMBERS WERE.
AND I SAW THAT DEPENDING ON WHETHER THERE WERE PE YOU KNOW, IN THE MORNING MOST PEOPLE WERE LEAVING AND THEN IN THE AFTERNOON THEY WERE COMING BACK AND IT HIT UP BETWEEN 240 AND 600 CARS AN HOUR WITHOUT ANYBODY DIRECTING TRAFFIC JUST ON ITS OWN THROUGH PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SIGNALING, HAND SIGNALING WAITING.
YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, THAT'S AN EVEN MORE COMPLICATED INTERSECTION THAN THIS.
THAT INTERSECTION HAS AN UNDERPASS AND HAS AN INTERSECTION OF A ROAD COMING TOGETHER AND THEN THEY COME UNDER THE UNDERPASS.
AND SO IT'S COMPLICATED BY THE FACT THAT THERE'S TWO PEOPLE FEEDING IN LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, TWO ROADS FEEDING INTO ONE SIDE AND THEN ONE ROAD COMING OUT, PEOPLE SPLITTING OFF.
THIS IS JUST STRAIGHT THROUGH AND THE SIGHT LINES ARE STRAIGHT THROUGH HERE, YOU CAN SEE MM-HMM.
AND SO I SUSPECT IT'LL AT LEAST BE AS, UM, A SIMILAR OR BETTER SITUATION THAN THERE.
AND EVEN DURING HEAVIEST PEAK, I ESTIMATED NOT EVEN A FRACTION OF THE 240 CARS COMING IN.
UM, WE, YOU KNOW, THE RE WE USE THE RESERVATION SYSTEM IN OUR PERRI ELECTRONIC RESERVATION SYSTEM, DEPENDING ON THE WEEKEND, 80 TO 90% OF OUR PARTICIPANTS HAVE RESERVATIONS AND IT SPREADS 'EM OUT OVER THE TIME.
SO WE CAN MANAGE THEM AS A BUSINESS.
AND WE NEVER HAVE MORE THAN 80 PER HALF HOUR PEOPLE AND WE END UP, WE AVERAGE THREE PEOPLE PER CAR.
AND SO WE AVERAGE ABOUT 30 CARS EVERY HALF HOUR TO 60 CARS AN HOUR.
AND SO AS WELL, WELL, WHAT UNDER THE CAPACITY OF THAT? AND FURTHERMORE, THE TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING TENDS TO COME IN, THE TRAFFIC TENDS TO GO OUT IN THE AFTERNOON AS PEOPLE COME TO THE PROPERTY, THE AFTERNOON RETURN.
AND IT'D BE SOMETHING THAT IF WE, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD BE INCENTIVIZED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS HERE.
I WOULD HAVE A STAFF AND WE HAVE A STAFF IN OUR PARKING LOT IN HARPERS FERRY THAT DIRECTS PEOPLE TO SQUEEZE TOGETHER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LEAD UP HALF A LOT WITH SIX CARS IF YOU DON'T LET 'EM OR IF YOU LET 'EM.
UM, AND I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO MANAGE THIS IF, IF NEED BE, IF IT GOT BUSY OR IF THERE WERE ANY BACKUPS THERE, I WOULD PREVENT THEIR, YOU KNOW, BEING BACKED BY HAVING STAFF.
AND I BELIEVE YOU SAID THERE'S ONE PRIVATE RESIDENCE, CORRECT? LOOKING THAT WAY.
JUST BE BEYOND WEIGHINGS AUTO ON THE LEFT.
AND SINCE THIS IS NOT A REZONING, IT'S NOT ADVERTISED AS SUCH.
I MEAN, NO SPECIAL USE REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'LL ADVERTISE THE PUBLIC HEARING, PUT THE SAME NOTICE OUT.
SO THEN PROPERTY THERE WOULD BE NOTIFIED.
WE HOW, HOW ABOUT THE RESIDENCE ON THIS SIDE OF NORTH ROYAL STATE CODE REQUIRES US TO NOTIFY ANYBODY THAT'S TOUCHING OR ADJACENT TO OH, ADJACENT.
ADJACENT OR ACROSS THE ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE IN THIS CASE, ACROSS THE RAILROAD.
SO SOME ON NORTH ROYAL ARE, HAD, WERE NOTIFIED? YES.
YEAH, THOSE RESIDENTS THROUGH HERE.
ALL THESE WILL BE NOTIFIED ALL THE WAY AROUND AND EVEN ACROSS THE RIVER.
AND THOSE HERE ON THIS SECTION, ALL THOSE HAVE RECEIVED LETTERS OR LETTERS WENT OUT AND FORMING THEM.
THE SIGN HAS BEEN POSTED FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING IN TWO WEEKS THAT YOU'LL TAKE UP THIS.
SO I'M THE FIRST AD RAN TODAY IN THE PAPER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I WANT TO COMMEND THE APPLICANT FOR A VERY, VERY DETAILED AND THOROUGH THANK YOU.
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THAT, THAT WERE ASKED OR IN HERE ALREADY.AND YOU, YOU ANTICIPATED EVERYTHING.
IT WAS VERY WELL, IT REALLY WELL PREPARED WELL, AND YOU CAN SEE PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE HAS CERTAINLY ADDED TO THAT.
THE ONLY THANK YOU GUYS, THE ONLY CONCERN IS THAT'S, THANK YOU.
THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I WOULD HAVE, AND I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, THIS MIGHT ACTUALLY BE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THAT IF, IF THIS IS ALLOWED AND HOPEFULLY THE BUSINESS WOULD DO VERY, VERY WELL.
MY CONCERN IS AS PEOPLE COMING ACROSS THAT SECOND BRIDGE TAKING UP LEFT ON 18TH AND 18TH MM-HMM.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL, HOW MANY TIMES YOU ALL HAVE THE MIDDLE LEFT ON 18TH OR 17TH, BUT, UM, IT, IT'S QUITE A WAIT FOR JUST ONE PERSON.
I DON'T 17TH SHEETS AND 18TH AND I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE TOWN COUNCIL, THE STATE OR WHATEVER ABOUT GETTING A TRAFFIC LIGHT
HAVE WE, WE HAVE A MEETING FRIDAY ON THAT.
BECAUSE I GOT OTHER CONCERNS WITH PEOPLE FOR POTENTIAL IN THE HOTELS CROSSROADS, HIS, HIS, UH, BUT HIS MAPPING, UH, AND GO FORWARD HERE TO GET PEOPLE OUT, UH, HERE SHOWS THAT THEY WILL, THAT 14TH STREET GO 14TH STREET AND TAKE A RIGHT.
SO THEY'RE NOT CROSSING TRAFFIC THEN COME UP AS A TRAFFIC LIGHT TO TAKE A LEFT.
THAT, THAT IS ONE OF HIS WAYS HE'S PLANNING ON TRAVELING.
HE HAS MULTIPLE WAYS, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IDEAL WAY FOR HIM TO EXIT FROM THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S HOW IT WOULD BE ADVERTISED AND IN TERMS OF DIRECTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WELL, THERE WILL BE PEOPLE COMING OBVIOUSLY SOUTH IN THE TOWN IN THE SHORTEST DISTANCE.
IT'S GONNA BE THE MAKE A LEFT ON THE, I BELIEVE IT IS 18.
YOU HAVE PEOPLE EXITING OFF OF AT 13 COMING THROUGH TOWN AND RIGHT.
BUT IT, HE'S, WHEN HE SHUTTLES WITH WHATEVER THE VANS ARE TAKING PEOPLE TO, TO THE RIVER DROP LOCATIONS, THEY WILL BE COMING, HE WILL BE LEAVING THIS ROUTE.
WHICH CANADA AVENUE TO KENDRICK LANE, ISN'T IT? BUT THE TENT CAMPERS AND EVERYBODY ELSE IN THERE PROBABLY WILL NOT BE USING THERE.
THE OTHER USE IN 18, THAT'S JUST FOR THE BUSES HAULING THE, THAT'S HIS PRIMARY ROUTE YES TO, AND ALSO ONCE THE RAIL TRAIL IS FINISHED, HOPEFULLY THAT MAY REDUCE A LOT.
HE MAY HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING TO THE SITE THAT IS NOT AUTOMOBILE ORIENTED.
IT'S JUST BE COMING ACROSS THAT BRIDGE.
THE ONLY QUESTION, QUESTION I GUESS THAT STAFF HAS WHEN WE DO GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, DO YOU WANT THIS SAME PRESENTATION AT THE PUBLIC HEARING? UH, PRETTY MUCH.
AND BUT WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
I JUST
WHAT'S THAT? YOU DON'T WANT STAFF HAVE TO STAY NEUTRAL AND LET YOU MAKE THE DECISION.
I NEVER WANT STAFF TO STAY NEUTRAL.
I'VE NEVER SAID STAFF NEEDS TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINION OR, OR FEELINGS ON THE SITUATION.
SO WE WILL GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 15TH OF THIS MONTH ALREADY IN A NEW MONTH.
WE ARE OH, THANK YOU STAFF FOR THE REPORT.
THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE'VE BEEN IN VARIOUS STAGES OF, UH, HOW WOULD I CALL IT EDITING, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY DISCUSSING THE FINAL PRODUCT THAT WE HAVE HERE.
UM, PART OF YOUR, UM, GIFT TO US VIA THE EMAIL AND WAS A VERY RATHER LARGE DOCUMENT FROM V DOCTOR.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? I'M GONNA EXPLAIN THE VDO PORTION, THEN I'M GONNA EXPLAIN THE REST WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
SOUNDS, UH, IS THIS ALL SOUTH STREET OR IS THIS UP TO WITH COMP PLAN? THIS IS, THIS IS PART OF COMP PLAN.
SO YOU HAVE A RATHER LARGE DOCUMENT THAT THE VOP PUT TOGETHER TO SEND BACK WITH THEIR PART OF THE, UH, REVIEWING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IF YOU NOTED ON THERE, THEY DID FIND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN GENERAL CONFORMANCE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FROM VDOT.
UH, THEY DID, UH, MENTION SOME NEEDS THAT WE DO HAVE.
UH, ACTUALLY THE CHANDO VALLEY RAIL TRAIL, UH, THEY ASKED THAT TO BE A LITTLE BIT ADDRESSED A LITTLE BIT MORE MM-HMM.
UH, THEY FOUND THAT SOME OF THE ROADS NEED TO BE CHANGED BASED ON THE VDOT 2014 MAPPING SYSTEM.
UH, WITH THAT, UH, THE PRIMARY PART OF THE, UH, PACKAGE THEY PUT TOGETHER WAS A SOUTH STREET SMART SCALE, UH, STUDY
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THAT'S MAJORITY OF YOUR DOCUMENTS IS THE STUDY AND THE SMART SCALE APPLICATION.HOW THEY CAME OUT TO, UH, MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS ON SOUTH STREET.
UH, THAT'S THE THREE PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED WITH THE PACKAGE.
IF YOU NOTICE THE SMART SCALE, UH, THAT'S UNDER PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING.
IT'S UNDERWAY ON THAT PROJECT.
UH, THEY HAVE SET ASIDE 3.6 MILLION FOR THAT PROJECT.
THEY DID SHOW, UH, THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING, UH, TO ADD AND SOME MEDIANS FOR THE TRAFFIC.
THERE IS THE ROLL KING AREA, UH, IN THAT PART OF TOWN.
UH, THAT WAS THE MAIN, UH, PART OF THE PROJECT FOR THAT AND THEIR STUDY INFORMATION.
UH, THEY DO HAVE SOME OTHER INFORMATION IN THAT PACKAGE, UH, FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, LIKE IN 2035 AND 2040 IN THAT AREA.
BUT PRIMARILY, UH, THE FIRST PART OF THIS, OF THE SMART SCALE ON SOUTH STREET IS ADDING THE LIGHT THERE AT BLUE RIDGE AVENUE AND, UH, DOING A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT THERE IF YOU WOULD, THERE AT THE ROLL KING ENTRANCE, IF YOU WOULD CALL IT THAT.
AND, UH, DOING SOME MEDIANS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE, UH, PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICLE ACCIDENTS HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
THE OTHER, UH, MAJOR, UH, PROJECT IS THE EIGHTH STREET RE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT.
UH, PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING WILL START IN 2023, UH, WITH THE 2025 DATE.
A ALLOCATED 2.75 MILLION FOR THAT PROJECT.
UH, THEN YOU HAVE THE NORTH GENOA AVENUE LIGHTING PROJECT THAT'S, UH, $265,000.
UH, THEY DID MAKE SOME COMMENTS THROUGHOUT THE BULLET POINTS.
UH, ONE OF THE MAIN TOPICS THAT YOU PROBABLY NEED TO UH, REVIEW, UH, THE 2035 RURAL LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN FROM N S VRC.
UH, THEY DID, UH, NOTE THAT THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION FOR AN ADDITIONAL INTERCHANGE AT I 66 IN ROUTE 6 0 6, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION SUPPORT.
UH, PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION ON THIS SUBJECT HAS INDICATED THAT SUPPORT IS UNLIKELY AND THE SCOPE OF THE THIS TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT WOULD ALSO BE COST PROHIBITED.
UM, UH, THEY DID REQUIRE, UH, FUTURE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS IS IDENTIFIED IN THE PLAN.
UH, WE SHOULD INCLUDE A COST ESTIMATE.
AND THAT ESTIMATE IS DEVELOPED BY VDOT OR FUTURE PROJECTS FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THE FUTURE PROJECTS, WHEN YOU GET TO THE POINT FOR THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, VDOT WILL HELP US DO A COST ESTIMATE ESTIMATE ON THE INFORMATION.
BUT THE I 66 RICK'S ROUTE 6 0 6 INTERCHANGE, THEY DID SAY SUPPORT IS UNLIKELY AND IMPROVEMENT WOULD ALSO BE CROSS PROHIBITIVE FOR THE INTERCHANGE AT 66 AND ROUTE 6 0 6.
UH, THAT'S BASICALLY THE LETTER.
UH, THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS IS ONLY THE TRAFFIC STUDY ON THE SOUTH STREET AND FUTURE PLANNING FROM 2035 TO 2040 ON SOUTH STREET.
THAT'S MAJORITY OF THE PACKAGES THEY RECEIVED.
AND THEY DIDN'T MAKE THOSE COMMENTS.
THAT'S WHAT DID NOT PUT TOGETHER FOR US.
UH, WE WILL SEND THOSE COMMENTS, UH, TO SUMMIT TO MAKE THE CHANGES.
THEY DID ASK FOR SOME MAP CHANGES TO BE MADE.
OH, REALLY? ON THE ROAD CLASSIFICATION MAPS.
UH, SO I WANNA BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
BASICALLY THE ROAD CHANGES, THE RAIL TRAIL, UH, THE SOUTH STREET IMPROVEMENT, THE EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE AND, UH, NOT IN FAVOR FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS ON INTERSTATE 66.
IS THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY ON THE BDOT COMMENTS FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DWELL THROUGH 50 PAGES OF, UH, STUDY'S GOT A LOT OF GOOD DATA IN IT, THAT'S FOR SURE.
AND THEY, AND THEY HAVE SOME MAPS THAT ARE FUTURE MAPS FOR 20 40, 20 35 FOR THE SOUTH STREET.
UH, THAT, UH, THAT TYPE OF PLAN, THAT'S SMART SCALE, THAT'S LIKE A LONG RANGE PLAN THAT'S VDOT FUNDING.
SO IT TAKES GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, FIVE TO 10 YEARS FOR THESE PROJECTS TO COME FORTH.
SO THAT'S BEEN DONE FOR SOME TIME AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ADDING THAT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO GET FUNDING FOR THAT.
I HAVE A QUESTION IN READING THROUGH THIS, AND IT WAS QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION
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TO DIGEST AT LEAST ONE OF THE PLANS, I BELIEVE TAKE SOUTH STREET FROM BEING A FOUR-LANE HIGHWAY DOWN TO A TWO-LANE HIGHWAY PLUS BIKE LANES.UH, THE REASON THE, THE SOUTH STREET SMART SCALE PROJECT WAS, UH, A PRIORITY IF YOU WOULD, IS BECAUSE OF THE VEHICLE AND PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENT ON THAT STREET.
SO THE FIRST PHASE, IF YOU WOULD, FOR THIS PART OF THE PROJECT FOR UP TO 2025, IS TO CHANGE THE TRAFFIC PATTERN WITH THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND THE MEETING AT THIS POINT THEN IF WE, IF THEY SEE THEY NEED TO DO ANOTHER ANALYSIS FOR 2035 AND 2040, THAT'S WHEN THESE NEXT PLANS THAT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE WOULD COME FOR IT.
SO THE INITIAL IMPROVEMENTS WERE NOT INCLUDE GOING DOWN TO TWO LANES.
IT WOULD BE MEDIUM WORK, UM, ADDITIONAL STOPLIGHT AT BLUE RIDGE.
THAT WOULD KIND OF FUNNEL TRAFFIC IN THERE TO MARTIN'S AND FUNNELING THE CROSSWALKS TO BE AT THE LIGHT WITH CROSSWALK, UM, CONTROLLERS.
AND THE, IF YOU WOULD, THE BRO KING ENTRANCE, IF YOU WANNA CALL IT THAT, THAT WOULD BE A RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TRAFFIC COMING, COMING UP AND MAKING A LEFT ACROSS IT.
THAT WOULD BE PROHIBITED BY MY BARRIER.
THEY WOULD HAVE A, THEY THEY HAVE A, A MEDIAN THERE AT TURN LANE.
LEAVE AND ROLL KING YOU MUST GO.
AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET INTO THAT ENTRANCE IS COMING DOWN SOUTH STREET MAKING A RIGHT INTO IT.
UNLESS YOU WANTED TO TURN AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT MARK'S.
I'M JUST SAYING GO THROUGH THE YES AND, AND WOULDN'T BACK UP TRAFFIC AT THE NEXT INTERSECTION.
LIKE THIS WOULD BE SYNCHRONIZED.
SYNCHRONIZED AND UH, WITH THE WALK FLASHING WALK THINGS.
AND THEN KIND OF FUNNEL THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AT THOSE CROSSWALKS.
SO THE SOUNDS THREE PROJECT, ARE THEY LOOKING FOR OUR COMMENTS? NO, IT, NO, THEY JUST ASKED.
THEY'RE JUST ASKING THE, WE NEED TO INCLUDE THAT IN THERE AND THE STAGES THEY ARE AT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, SO THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY COMMENTS.
BUT THE COMP PLAN ASIDE, I MEAN THEY HAVE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS.
WHO, WHO DECIDES WHICH CONCEPT? THEY HAVE THEIR PHASES, THEY STEP UP BASED ON WHAT LEVEL OF CONTROL HAPPENS AT EACH STEP.
SO THIS FIRST PHASE WAS JUST TO STOP THE NUMBER OF FATALITIES.
CAUSE WE HAD SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF FATALITIES ON TWO FATALITIES.
AND WHAT IT IS THE SMART SCALE ACCIDENT, LIKE ON A RATING SYSTEM, IF YOU WOULD THROUGH VDOT MM-HMM.
THAT CATEGORY IS BASED ON BODILY HARM OR INJURY.
AND IT IS THAT IN THE COMPUTER ALGORITHM, THE NUMBER OF FATALITIES OR INJURIES THAT IS LIKE THE HEAVIEST WEIGHT IT'S TO DETERMINING SMART SCALE IS PRIMARILY FOR COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL ALSO.
ANY AREA YOU HAVE MORE SCALE RATINGS, RESIDENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS, DO NOT GIVE YOU IT, IT'S THE POINT SYSTEM.
SO RESIDENTIAL DOES NOT, SO, SO YOU'RE GONNA BE INCORPORATING THIS YES.
AS APPLICABLE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE'LL FORWARD THAT TO SUMMIT TO MAKE THE CHANGES.
THEY'RE NOT ASKING THE COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS JUST THAT THERE WERE COMMENTS WERE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PART OF THAT.
I'M GLAD VDO WAS ABLE TO COMMENT ON IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A LARGE PACKET.
THERE'S A LOT TO, UH, AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE OTHER STUDIES THEY HAVE JUST TO, UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY REALLY DIDN'T COMMENT ON LIKE THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR OR THE FLYOVER OR THOSE TYPE OF RIGHT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, DO WE, DO WE KNOW WHEN THIS WAS REQUESTED OF VDOT? WHEN DID WE REQUEST THIS OR, AND WHO REQUESTED IT? UH, THE DIRECTOR SENT THE COPY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO THEN FOR REVIEW IS REQUIRED BY REQUIRE.
SO THIS JUST SINCE THE, THIS IS THEIR CURRENT RESPONSE, CORRECT? THE DATE.
SO WE'RE SLATE CODE REQUIRES V A TO REVIEW ALL COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, AT LEAST THE TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER.
AND THEN, UM, THEY, AND THEN THESE WERE THEIR COMMENTS, RIGHT? THAT'S THEIR COMMENTS.
THIS IS ALL BRAND NEW BASICALLY.
WELL, THEY'RE PULLING INFORMATION, I BELIEVE BACK FROM 2013 14 WHEN WE DID THE PREVIOUS CHARETTES AND THE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE STUDIES.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE, UH, THE LOW WATER BRIDGE, AGAIN, PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, THE IDEA OF THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR COMING
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IN THERE.AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER SEEN A DRAWING OR THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME ONE THOUGHT ABOUT IT GOING UP TO MANASAS AND THEN COMING DOWN SIXTH STREET, BUT HAD THEY INCLUDED THE THOUGHT OF MORE TRAFFIC THERE IN THE BUILDING OF THAT BRIDGE? NO.
I MEAN IT'S LOOKING AT IT LIKE IT IS NOW AND SOME PEOPLE USE THAT TO CUT THROUGH THERE.
WELL, A MAJOR THREE FAR OF AN EAST WEST, IF IT'S DUMPED THERE BEING CROSBY, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE BRIDGE.
WHICH BRIDGE? SAY EIGHTH STREET? YES.
EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE IS PART OF THE IMPROVEMENT.
SO NOW WHETHER WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE IMPROVEMENT TO THE EIGHTH STREET BRIDGE PLAN FOR FUTURE FUNNELING MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE FOR THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR? YES.
UH, WE, WE CAN CHECK WITH VDOT.
THEY'LL PROBABLY BE DESIGNED FOR IT.
AND I THINK WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET SOME BOX CULVERTS IN THERE TO KEEP THAT BREEZE FROM FLOODING RIGHT.
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, BUT I'D HATE TO SEE US DO SOMETHING.
AND THEN THE EAST WEST GETS CONNECTED AND THEY WELL, THAT INADEQUATE GOOD POINT.
YOU'D HAVE TO I'M SURE HAVE OUR, I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO THAT LATER INFORMATION ON THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR.
SO I'M SURE THEY'RE FACTORING THAT IN WHEN THEY'RE ON THEIR DESIGN FOR US.
RED, THANK YOU ANSWERS EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS A LOT TO GO THROUGH, SO JUST DON'T GET TOO DEEP IN THE WEEDS WITH THEIR, UH, REPORT.
IT TOOK ME A COUPLE DAYS TO FINALIZE AND ALL THAT.
YOU STATED THEIR COMMENTS WOULD BE BRIEF.
WHAT'S THAT? YOU SAID THEIR COMMENTS WERE BRIEF.
IF YOU LOOK AT, WELL, IT'S BRIEF FOR VIDOT
CAN I ASK WHAT THE LIGHTING IMPROVEMENT, UH, THERE'S MONEY SET ASIDE FOR NORTH CAW.
THEY'RE PUTTING TALLER STREET LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE BRIDGE? NO, THEY'RE ADDING THOSE ALL THE WAY UP TO 14TH STREET.
DOES THAT INCLUDE, BECAUSE I LIVE OUT THERE, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE, WHERE WE TURN OFF TO GO UP STRAUSBERG WHERE, WHICH THEY DID NOT LIKE.
YOU, YOU, THEY DON'T CONSIDER YOU PEOPLE OUT THERE IN RIVERVIEW WORK IN TROUBLE.
WELL, THEY LET STRONGBERG ROAD BEAUTIFULLY.
BUT 80% OF THE TRAFFIC GOES THE DARK AROUND THE CURB TO GO UP BURG ROAD OR COMES DOWN TO EITHER GO INTO TOWN OR GO TO WINCHESTER.
WELL, THAT'S THE DESIGN OF THE QUADRANT.
UNLESS, UNLESS TRAFFIC'S NOT BY THE WAY, KNOW THAT TRAFFIC'S GREAT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE OLD LIKE ME AND YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT TERM, WHERE IS THAT MEDIUM THING THERE? AM I GONNA RUN OVER? GOOD POINT.
OKAY, NEXT ITEM ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AT THE LAST MEETING WE DISCUSSED A BUNCH OF CHANGES.
UH, CAN YOU, CAN YOU UPDATE US ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THOSE CHANGES? OKAY.
SO IN ORDER FOR SUMMIT TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE CHANGES, THIS BODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO STATE PUBLICLY WHAT PAGES AND WHAT CHANGES SPECIFICALLY WANT TO BE MADE.
WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS PUT TOGETHER A SPREADSHEET THAT I WILL BRING TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN AT THAT POINT CHOOSE WHICH CHANGES SPECIFICALLY YOU WANT MADE FOR TONIGHT.
I WOULD LIKE TO GO OVER GLEN'S COMMENTS BECAUSE OF THE BODY.
I THINK YOU ALL NEED TO DETERMINE WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCORPORATED AS FAR AS GLEN'S COMMENTS.
AND THEN I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE WORDING OF OUR, A FEW OF OUR FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
LET'S START WITH GLENN'S COMMENTS.
LET'S LOOK AT THE, AT THE STUFF WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING.
I GAVE YOU A MAP THAT HAD HIGHLIGHTED, UH, VARIOUS AREAS AS FAR AS QUESTIONING WHAT THE FUTURE LAND USE WAS.
IT WAS PART OF THAT MEMBER OF THE CONNING WE PUT ON THE WHAT DID AND THE COMPUTER, I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
UH, AT THE LAST MEETING I GAVE YOU A, A THUMB DRIVE THAT HAD SOME MAPS ON IT AND I THOUGHT THAT YOU HAD, UM, PUT IT IN THE HARD DRIVE SO WE COULD LOOK AT IT.
BUT ANYWAY, WHILE SHE'S LOOKING FOR THAT, THAT WAS AT A WORK SESSION, CORRECT? YES.
THE, UM, AGAIN, ONE OF MY PRIMARY CONCERNS
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WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS PRESENTED IT, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE COMMERCIAL LOT LAND AND THAT LAND IS THE ONLY PLACE, ACCORDING TO OUR DEFINITIONS, THAT WE CAN HAVE HOTELS, MOTELS, MM-HMM.UM, SO EVERYTHING THAT HAS TRADITIONALLY BEEN COMMERCIAL, WHICH HAS BEEN NORTH ROW AVENUE, NORTH SHORE, SANO AVENUE, UH, AND SOUTH STREET.
YOU, YOU RECOMMEND CHANGING TO MIXED USE? YES.
WHERE ARE WE GONNA PUT THE HOTELS AND MOTEL? THEY, UH, THAT FUTURE LAND USE MAP RIGHT THERE.
I, I HAVE TAKEN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND MADE MY COMMENTS RIGHT.
UM, BUT, BUT MY REAL CONCERN IS THE LACK OF COMMERCIAL SPACE FOR MOTELS AND HOTELS AND GAS STATIONS.
UH, IT'S LIKE WE DON'T WANT 'EM IN TOWN.
UM, SO DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT FIRST THEN? YES.
I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT GLENN'S FIRST.
GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT GLENN'S FIRST AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THAT.
CAUSE THAT WAS, THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE NEXT PIECE CONVERSATION.
YOU HAVE THAT AT THE WORK SESSION.
I THOUGHT I SENT IT TO YOU, BUT MAYBE I DIDN'T.
IT DOESN'T LOOK THROUGH THERE.
THAT'S IN THE, THAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE FORM.
NOT THE ONE WITH DARRELL'S, NOT THE, NO, NOT THE ONE THAT, OH, I'M SORRY.
SO FOR IF, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, WE'RE JUST GONNA GO DOWN THROUGH THESE COMMENTS AND SAY WHICH ONES THIS BOARD WANTS TO DISCUSS OR INCLUDE AND, AND WHAT NOT TO.
SO FOR PAGE 47, ADD MAKING MAIN STREET ONE WAY TO INCREASE PARKING AND TO BUILD PARKING GARAGE TO ADD AS MUCH NEEDED PARKING.
UM, HAD WE MENTIONED ANY OF THAT IN THE COMP PLAN, WE THOUGHT WE'D MENTIONED THE PARKING, PARKING GARAGE IS IN THE COMP PLAN ON THE TRANSPORTATION.
WE DO MENTION THE PARKING GARAGE IS IN THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION.
UM, I THINK, DIDN'T WE SAY DISCUSS MAKING IT ONE WAY? I THINK THERE IS A POINT IN THERE ABOUT THAT TYPE OF DISCUSSION, AND I KNOW STAFF HAS BEEN INSTRUCTED BY PREVIOUS TOWN MANAGER TO START THE PROCESS.
WE MADE A PRESENTATION TO COUNSEL AS TO WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO FOR THE FIRST STEP.
I DON'T KNOW THAT COUNSEL HAS THE, UM, THE DESIRE AT THIS POINT TO MAKE THE, UM, MAKE MAIN STREET ONE WAY OR TO CLOSE IT DOWN.
DOES THIS BOARD WANNA MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION IN THE COMP PLAN TO DO THAT? AND I WILL SAY THAT I PRESENTED THAT AS A SUGGESTION IN TERMS OF, UH, MAKING IT A PEDESTRIAN ONLY, OR WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ALTERNATIVE IN THERE, OR THE OPTION OF MAKING IT ONE WAY.
NOT THAT WE AS A BOARD, WE SAY, OH, MAKE MAIN STREET ONE WAY.
IT'S JUST LIKE IF YOU SAID LET'S MAKE IT A PEDESTRIAN MALL, THAT'S AN OPTION.
WELL, THEY, THEY, THE WHOLE COMP PLAN IS A SUGGESTION.
IT'S NOT EXACTLY, IT'S NOT A EXACTLY.
POLICY DOCUMENT IS A REFERENCE DOCUMENT.
UM, BUT WHEN WE TALK SPECIFICALLY, BUT, BUT WE COULD PUT IN THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITIES OF HA MAKING MAIN STREET ONE WAY.
UH, YOU KNOW, NOT BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO BE GUILTY UP HERE IS DEMANDING STUFF OF TOWN COUNCIL.
OUR JOB IS TO MERELY PLAN AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE MAIN STREET THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S A NICE PROJECT.
SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WOULD QUESTION ON THIS.
WHETHER MAIN STREET BEING ONE WAY IS REALLY A, A PLANNING ISSUE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT WALKABILITY TO BE SUSTAINED IN THE TOWN.
THAT'S, THAT'S MORE OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, A VERY BROAD, UH, SCOPE OF THAT.
SO, AND ON PAGE 48, WE DO HAVE, UH, WE, WE, WE MENTIONED GO AHEAD AND READ IT.
WE DO, IT SAYS EXPLORE MAKING MAIN STREET OF PEDESTRIAN MALL OR SHARED STREET.
AND IN AND ENHANCING DOWNTOWN PARKLAND.
SO IT'S, SO IT'S, IT'S IN THE COMP PLAN.
IT'S JUST, I I DON'T KNOW HOW MORE DIRECT WE CAN BE THE COMP PLAN.
I, I DON'T SEE ANY TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE THERE BECAUSE EXPLORING IS
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ONE THING, BUT MY, JUST FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, ALL THE RESEARCH, GLEN, THAT I HAVE SEEN ON SHUTTING DOWN MAIN STREETS AND TURNING THEM INTO WALKING MALLS IS FIVE YEARS LATER, THE BUSINESSES ARE GONE AND THEY REGRET, OH, WINCHESTER'S A GREAT EXAMPLE.IT TOOK THEM 30 YEARS TO FIGURE.
I HAD TO DIE AND COME BACK TO LIFE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT RECOMMEND
I'M NOT RECOMMENDING, SO THE WORDING OF EXPLORER IS LIKE, I GUESS WELL, BUT WE, IT, IT, IT'S IN THE COMP PLAN.
THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT.
AND, UH, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH STRONGER WE NEED TO MAKE THAT.
AND THEN FOR PAGE 83, UM, I THINK WE JUST KIND OF TOUCHED ON THIS WITH SOME OF THE JOHN'S COMMENTS, WITH THE BDOT INPUT.
DO WE JUST LET THIS GO? I MEAN, DO YOU WANT STAFF TO START TALKING ABOUT WAYS TO FUND THIS I 66 AND CHANGE? DO WE, YOU KNOW, I, I, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT MAKING THE FLYOVER OVER SENATOR SHORES ROAD, THE FIRST PRIORITY IS A GOOD IDEA.
I THINK THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE AND MUCH MORE VIABLE.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE GIVEN AS MUCH IMPORTANT.
AND THEN ONE 70, THAT'S A GRAMMAR CHANGE.
UM, WE DO HAVE, I THINK IN SEVERAL PLACES WE TALK ABOUT ADDING PARKING MIRAGES.
WELL, THE WHOLE THING IN THE BASEMENT TO THE EMERGENCY BUILDING MEAN NOT TO BLOW SMOKE UP YOU GUYS, BUT THAT WAS WHERE BASEMENT I WAS ACTUALLY, JUST FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WAS, I'VE BEEN PART OF THIS COMMITTEE FOR 25 YEARS, FOR A COUPLE PLUS YEARS.
AND NOT THAT I WANT THINGS HANDED TO ME, OR I HAVE TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT A WEEK BEFORE.
I HAVE TO TRY AND BE LUCID ON IT, BUT I LITERALLY, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE MELODRAMATIC, BUT I, I JUST BECAME, I, I WAS LIKE GLEAMING MORE AND MORE AS I READ THAT THING AND HOW PROUD I AM TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S NOT THE BULLET SPOKE OF YOU GUYS.
CAUSE I, I DON'T OFFER COMPLIMENTS CHEAPLY, BUT, UM, I, I WAS VERY PLEASED WITH HOW THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER.
WELL WE, WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME.
SO THAT WOULD BRING THE NEXT QUESTION.
IF WE, IF WE START ASKING PEOPLE TO REDO THINGS, THAT'S GONNA COST US MORE MONEY.
IT DEPENDS ON THE SCOPE OF THE CHANGES.
UM, AT THIS POINT WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY GET ANOTHER, LIKE ONE MORE REVISION IF WE START OH, OKAY.
GOING BEYOND ONE MORE REVISION.
I THINK IT WILL COST MORE MONEY.
AND SO THE CONSENSUS IS THAT WE'RE TAKING THE VDO COMMENTS.
AND ONE MORE, AND ONE, ONE REVISION PRESENT THE COUNSEL.
I SHOULDN'T SAY BECAUSE OF SOMETHING.
WELL, I AM BECAUSE OF SOMETHING ELSE THAT I KNOW THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED OUR OPINION ON.
AND, AND I HAVE A VERY STRONG OPINION ABOUT IT IS THE, THE, UM, SITUATIONAL HAPPY CREEK AND SHANNON DO SHORES ROAD.
OKAY, WELL WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT.
SHE'S
DISCUSS THAT WHEN WE GET OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT, LET THE PAGE 2 0 3 WHEN THE CREATE THE EVENT CENTER AROUND FOR ROYAL.
WE CAN ADD SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT IN THE, UH, TOURISM SECTION.
UM, UM, YOU WANNA MISS SOMETHING? WILL, WILL SOMEBODY REQUESTING IT BE TAKEN OUT? NO, IT'S, IT'S NOT IN THERE.
WE DO, WE DID ADD IN A CONDITION AT ONE POINT THAT SAID, DEVELOP CONSISTENT MESSAGE IN BRAND FOR FRONT ROYAL.
FOR EXAMPLE, BASE CAMP CRESCENDO OR CANOE CAPITAL OF VIRGINIA, THE TOWN AND COUNTY MAY TAKE THE LEAD WITH SUPPORT FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT STAND TO BENEFIT.
UM, AND WE SAY DEVELOP A UNIQUE FESTIVAL CLOSELY LINKED TO THE COMMUNITY.
THIS CAN HELP GET THE TOWN ON THE MAP.
IF THIS BOARD FEELS THAT THIS ADEQUATELY ADDRESSES JUST COMMENT.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? BRING, BRING THAT BAND? HE, HE GOT, I DUNNO WHO LEONARD SKY IS.
ARE YOU KIDDING? HE'S THE GUY.
SAID HOW OLD AM I HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT SUBTLE REFERENCES.
DAR ALWAYS LOVES THE CURVE BALL, EVEN WITH THE, I HONESTLY DOESN'T THINK THAT WAS A CURVE BALL.
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PARTICIPANTS.DO WE WANNA ADD SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT IN THERE? UH, IS, IS THAT REALLY A PLANNING ISSUE? AND AGAIN, THIS IS MY FIRST PASS OF READING IT.
I KNEW I WASN'T GONNA BE HERE TO DISCUSS IT.
IT WAS MY THOUGHTS BECAUSE THEY ARE, THIS IS GOOD.
I NEED FEEDBACK FROM THAT BOARD.
BUT WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PARKS, CORRECT? NO, BUT THAT'S WHY.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TOWN UPGRADE THEIR WIFI.
HAVE YOU EVER TRIED TO USE THEIR WIFI? YEAH, I JUST TRIED TO GET ON IT AND TRIED A WASTE OF MY TIME.
I I, I CUT WIFI OFF WHEN I COME INTO HERE.
CAUSE I, I CAN'T PICK UP ANYTHING UP THAT DOCUMENT.
I LIKE THE, UH, I LIKE THE PAGE TWO OF SIX SUGGESTION.
RECOGNIZING BUSINESSES THAT HAVE MADE IT FOR 20 YEARS.
I THINK THAT'S, YEAH, THAT ONE AGAIN, IT'S, IT WAS AN IDEA BY LOOKING UP THE PLANT.
ALWAYS THOUGHT THEY SHOULD PAINT SOMETHING IN THE STREET, YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR STORE.
YOU KNOW, THIS GUY HAS BEEN HERE 50 YEARS, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER.
WELL, WHEN WE WERE KIDS GROWING UP HERE, THERE'S ONLY TWO OR THREE BUSINESS DEPARTMENT GOT 15 YEARS AGO.
GIVE A PLAQUE AND A LETTER REGISTERED TO THE STATE.
DON'T HAVE TO ABOUT HIM BUILDING A ALL SAME FAMILY, PROPER SAFETY ONE.
UH, LAUREN, WHO, WHO ALL HAS GIVEN YOU COMMENTS? I KNOW I'VE RECEIVED, UH, MICHAEL HASN'T YET HAD A FULLY CHANCE TO DIGEST.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS IF YOU WISH MICHAEL ON.
I THINK I'VE ALREADY MADE WRITTEN COMMENTS.
I THINK MOST OF, LIKE, SOME OF THIS I THINK IS ALREADY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DOCUMENTS ARE YOU LOOKING AT WHEN YOU, I'M LOOKING AT WHEN EMAIL.
I GAVE YOU A COPY OF GLENN'S OR OH, OH, GLENN'S.
WITH RESPECT TO PAGE TWO OF FOUR, GLEN, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, FABRICA IS NOT PROVIDING A, A HOSTILE, UM, I, I, IF IT, WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW.
I MEAN, IT SAID IF I READ, I'M QUESTIONING IT'S SAYING SOMETHING.
AND AREN'T THEY DOING THAT? YES, THEY, THEY ARE, THEY'RE WHAT'S CALLED A, UM, A BASE CAMP.
SO THEY PROVIDE, UM, LAUNDRY SUPPLIES AND A PLACE FOR THEM TO TAKE A SHOWER AND, UM, AND PUT STUFF THERE WHILE THEY, WHILE THEY RELAX AND EAT IT.
THEY CHOOSE TO, BUT THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
UM, BUT THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO STAY THERE.
AND I THINK IF I UNDERSTOOD THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, RIGHT, UH, THE EVENTUAL GOAL WILL BE FOR SOMETHING, FOR SOMETHING MORE OF A, OF AN OVERNIGHT FACILITY.
UM, PUBLIC SAFETY, I MEAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY ADD IN THIS.
INSTALL THE SPEED LIMIT MONITORING RADAR SIGN.
UM, WE CAN, WE CAN SAY IT IN A MORE GENERAL TERM OF, YOU KNOW, INSTALL, UM, INCREASE SPEED MONITORING.
UM, AND I WENT TO GRADE LENGTH TO EXPLAIN IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO, THEY HAD A SPEED MONITORING TRAILER THAT THEY PUT OUT, BUT SOME TOWNS AND CITIES, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE DROVE SOMEWHERE HERE THE OTHER DAY.
THIS THING STARTS FLASHING WHAT YOUR SPEED IS.
AND IT DOES INSTANTLY TELL YOU THIS ONE ABOUT HELPFUL.
I DON'T, ARE YOU RUNNING FOR COUNCIL? THESE GOOD IDEAS? I'D LIKE TO SAY BRING THE COUNCIL.
I LIKE THOSE TO, SO I WILL REWORD THE, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY OKAY.
AND WILL LOOK AT, UM, INCORPORATING THE UTILITY SECTION AND I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.
NOW IT'S EXPLAIN TO US IS, SO I PROVIDED YOU THIS DOCUMENT.
THIS IS JUST SOME PLANNING LITERATURE ON WHAT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS.
A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
YOU CAN, I WOULD LIKE IT IF YOU WOULD TAKE THIS WITH YOU AND JUST THINK ABOUT IT OVER THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, COUPLE OF WEEKS.
UM, BUT WE HAVE TWO SECTIONS IN OUR, UH, FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY DESCRIPTIONS.
THIS IS PAGE 137 OF YOUR COMP PLAN DRAFT.
AND IT CORRESPONDS WITH PAGE 1 36, WHICH IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
UM, INITIALLY IN THE FIRST ITERATION BACK IN MARCH, THERE WAS A, IT WAS BROWN AND IT WAS CALLED HIGH DENSITY MIXED
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USE.AND THAT'S WHAT WHAT, UM, PORTO AVENUE, DOWNTON NORTH ROYAL COMING ALL THE WAY DOWN, UH, SOUTH STREET OUT OF THE TOWN.
JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY WERE INITIALLY LABELED AFTER A, UM, I GUESS IT WOULD BE CALLED A RETREAT WITH TOWN COUNCIL AND FREDA AT THE TIME, UH, TWO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS ASKED THAT THAT DESIGNATION BE REMOVED.
SO AT THAT POINT WE WENT WITH THIS MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED USE, WHICH IS THE ORANGE THAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP.
NOW THE DEFINITION HERE SAYS THAT IT'S INTENDED TO INCLUDE A MIX OF USES INTEGRATED WITH HORIZONTALLY AND VERTICALLY.
UM, SO IT SAYS DIFFERENT USES NEXT TO ONE ANOTHER AND DIFFERENT USES IN THE SAME BUILDING.
USUALLY COMMERCIAL ON THE GROUND FLOOR IN RESIDENTIAL OR OFFICE ABOVE PIPES WOULD RANGE FROM TWO TO FOUR STORIES.
AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
UM, SO WHAT I'VE PROVIDED YOU HERE IS KIND OF A DEFINITION OF WHAT MIXED USES.
UM, AND THEN I'VE ALSO EXPLAINED AND SHOWED WHAT, UM, VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL MIXED USE LOOKS LIKE.
SO VERTICAL MIXED USE IS GOING TO HAVE THE TWO OR MORE USES IN THE SAME BUILDING OR STRUCTURE, WHEREAS HORIZONTAL MIXED USE IS LOOKING AT, AT THE PARCEL LEVEL.
SO THAT WOULD BE MULTIPLE USES ON THE SAME PARCEL.
UM, THAT IS WHAT IS BEING DESCRIBED IN THE ORANGE COLORING.
UM, THE RED HERE WHERE WE HAVE COMMERCIAL ON PAGE 1 37 OF OUR COMP PLAN, THIS IS AUTOMOBILE ORIENTED USES.
AND HERE IN THE DESCRIPTION IT TALKS ABOUT HOTELS, BANKS, MULTI-FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, AND AUTO ORIENTED USES WITH A HIGHER HEIGHT LIMIT THAN ELSEWHERE IN TOWN.
UM, THE HIGHER HEIGHT LIMIT IS INITIALLY WHY IT WAS INCLUDED TO ONLY BE COMMERCIAL THERE.
AND THE, UM, CAPPING AT FOUR STORIES IS WHY THE MAJORITY OF THE, UM, TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR IN TOWN WERE TERMED ORANGE.
CUZ THESE WOULD BE JUST NO MORE THAN FOUR STORES TALL.
UM, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS MIXED USE EXCLUDES HOTELS OR LIKE SERVICE STATIONS OR AUTOMOBILE ORIENTED USES SIMPLY FOR THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T WRITTEN THOSE DEFINITIONS YET.
UM, BUT WHAT I'M THINKING THAT WE, OUR NEXT STEPS WOULD BE, AND THIS IS WHERE I WANT YOUR INPUT, WE CAN CHANGE THESE DEFINITIONS TO INCLUDE A MIXED USE COMMERCIAL.
AND THE THOUGHT WOULD BE IF YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE IT TO MIXED USE COMMERCIAL AND HAVE THAT BE MORE OF YOUR, UM, THE AUTO ORIENTED USES THAN THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO DO IT WOULD BE ON NORTH SHENANDOAH.
NORTH ROYAL, MY ADVICE AS STAFF WOULD BE TO KEEP SOUTH STREET AS A MIXED USE AND EITHER CALL IT THE MIXED USE, YOU KNOW, THIS MEDIUM SENSITY MIXED USE.
YOU CAN CALL IT A, UH, MEDIAN OR MIXED USE BUSINESS DISTRICT.
BUT I THINK THAT THIS SHOULD STAY HERE BECAUSE THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF LIKE YOUR, UM, RESIDENTIAL ON TOP.
WHEREAS I WOULD THINK THAT THE WAY WE'D WRITE THE, UM, LIKE A COMMERCIAL MIXED USE WAS TO BE, TO EXCLUDE MORE OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND MAYBE LIMIT THAT ONLY TO APARTMENTS OR, UM, WELL, JUST APARTMENTS.
I THINK YOU WOULD WANNA TAKE OUT LIKE THE TOWN HOMES THERE ABOVE THE USES WHERE JUST ALLOW IT TO BE, UM, OFFICE SPACE ABOVE.
BECAUSE AS PART OF THE FEEDBACK THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS FROM THE TOWN, PEOPLE WANTED WALKABILITY.
WHAT MIXED USE DOES IS THAT CREATES WALKABLE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY THAT IS IN THE, IT'S IT'S NATURE.
UM, AND I DON'T SEE HOW WE WOULD IN THESE SMALL, YOU KNOW, CORRIDORS WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ONLY GOING BACK MAYBE A BLOCK OR TWO.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET LIKE, THE TYPES OF LIKE MIXED USE BUSINESS DISTRICT.
UH, IT WOULD BE FEASIBLE HERE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S USABLE HERE.
SO IF YOU WANNA DO THE COMMERCIAL AND KEEP IT TO THE AUTOMOBILE ORIENTED USES YOUR GAS STATION SERVICE STATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT THEM IN TOWN.
THEY'RE, THEY GENERATE A LOT OF TAX REVENUE.
PLUS WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE SHENANDOAH AND, YOU KNOW, 66 AND 81 WHERE TRANSPORTATION ORIENTED.
SO, AND WE KEEP IT THERE AND THEN OPEN THIS UP.
WOOD, I KNOW THIS IS JUST A SMALL THING,
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BUT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ON KEDRICK, UM, WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE OLD AZTECS ON ONE SIDE, ISN'T THAT PARKING LOT PART OF THAT? UM, THAT SAME DOES, DOES THE TOWN OWN THAT OR THE COUNTY? THE COUNTY OWNS THAT TRUCKING FACILITY THAT IS, UM, THAT'S OWNED BY THE E D A MM-HMM.YEAH, THAT IS, WELL, NO, THAT'S THE FRONT.
ROYAL ED A DOES NOT OWN PROPERTY.
THE WARREN COUNTY IN FRONT ROYAL E D A OWNS PROPERTY.
SO WOOD WOULD, WOULD THE BOARD OF, SORRY, WOULD THE TOWN COUNCIL BE THE ONES TO MAKE DEFINITIVE DECISIONS REGARDING THE AZTECS PROPERTY OR WOULD THAT BE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS? UM, NO.
SO IF THE, FORGIVE ME FOR NOT KNOWING.
IF A, LIKE A WAREHOUSE OR SOMETHING WANTS TO COME AND PURCHASE LAND FROM THE ED, THE COUNTY E D A, THEY WOULD THEN HAVE TO SUBMIT THE APPROPRIATE APPLICATIONS, A SITE PLAN, A POTENTIAL REZONING THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THIS BOARD, AND THEN COUNCIL WOULD MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.
BUT THE COUNTY WOULD NOT MAKE LAND USE DECISIONS WITHIN OUR BORDERS.
THEY JUST, THEY WOULD BE THE BROKER.
ONE OF THE REASONS I BRING IT UP IS BECAUSE I, AND AGAIN, I DON'T, I I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT PARKING LOT AREA, UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER PLAN FOR IT RIGHT.
THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A REALLY GOOD PLACE TO DO, LIKE SOME KIND OF WORKFORCE HOUSING OR, OR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE APARTMENTS, LIKE APARTMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE.
WELL THEN IN THAT CASE THEN YOU MAY WANT TO CHANGE THAT TO NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL OR I WOULD CONSIDER, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD MIXING NEIGHBORHOOD A COMMERCIAL AND THEN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, DO Y'ALL KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? MM-HMM.
AND THEN RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THEY HAD THAT, UM, HUGE PARKING LOT THAT I THINK TEX USED TO USE AS A PARKING LOT.
AND, AND THEN THE, UH, LORD FAIRFAX USED AS A TRUCKING SCHOOL.
I JUST, I EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I'M LIKE, MAN, THAT'D BE A NICE PLACE FOR SOME NICE APARTMENTS.
REDEVELOPED OUR WHOLE PART OF TOWN.
BECAUSE I JUST KNOW AS A SCHOOL TEACHER IN, IN THIS TOWN AND WE CAN'T GET OUR SCHOOL, OR ESPECIALLY OUR YOUNGER ONES THAT STAY HERE BECAUSE WELL, THERE'S NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR NO, NO QUALITY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND SO THEY ALL GO TO WINCHESTER AND WELL, WE SHOW THAT CURRENTLY IS MIXED DENSITY, MIXED USE.
WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? UH, 1 6 7 YELLOW.
I DON'T WANNA MONOPOLIZE TIME.
WOULD, DOES ANYBODY DIFFERENT THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO NO, NO.
THE ONLY THING THAT YOU WON'T HAVE THERE IS THE WALKABILITY.
UNLESS SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENT WILL COME IN WITH STORES.
WELL, THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE WALKABILITY TOO, BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE THE, THEY'RE GONNA GET IN THERE, THE SIDEWALK THAT'S NEEDED TO BE REPAIRED SINCE IF YOU HAD A MIXED USE, THEN YOU COULD HAVE SHOPS, YOU'D BE LITTLE, YOU COULD LAWN POT GROCERY STORE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS LAND IS FOR, PLAN FOR.
SO, AND THEN PART OF THE PLAN TO FINALLY FINISH THAT ROAD THAT GOES OUT TO TAKE IT OUT TO MAIN STREET OR SOMETHING THAT WEST MAIN STREET EXTENSION.
SO THAT'S IN THIS COMP PLAN, IT'S ON OUR C I P WE WOULD NEED TO APPLY FOR FUNDING THROUGH VDOT FOR THE REMAINDER OF THAT ROAD.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, WE RECEIVED FUNDING FOR THE PARK THAT'S UNBUILT.
AND I'M PRETTY SURE WE HAVE TO PAY THAT BACK BECAUSE THERE WAS, UM, WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT? THE, THE OCCUPANTS NEVER MOVED INTO THAT BUILDING THAT WAS CONSTRUCTION.
SO, SO ANOTHER RABBIT HOLE
I BELIEVE IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE, IF YOU WANT TO, BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE MIXED USE SAYS YOU SHOW ON YOUR SHEET HERE INCLUDES MM-HMM.
BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T WRITTEN THAT SECTION OF THE CODE YET.
BUT FOR THE LAND, YOU, FOR PLANNING PURPOSES MM-HMM.
I MEAN WE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO REZONE LAND MM-HMM.
AND WHAT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD CHANGE IS, BUT, BUT TO ME, WHEN YOU SAY MIXED USE AND DON'T INCLUDE A USE THAT'S PREVIOUSLY LISTED IN THE COMMERCIAL MM-HMM.
I MEAN, IF, IF I WERE TO COME INTO FRONT ROYAL MM-HMM.
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MM-HMM.WELL, WHEN THEY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THAT DETERMINATION BASED ON THE COMP PLAN.
THEY'RE IN THE DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS.
SUPPLIES, THEY WOULD PULL, IF THEY DO DUE DILIGENCE PROPERLY, THEY WOULD PULL THE ZONING ORDINANCE FIRST.
THEY WOULD PULL THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN THEY WOULD MAKE SURE THAT, WELL, WELL, THE STATEMENT IS GONNA LOOK AT THIS TOO, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR CERTIFICATION FOR, UH, COMMUNITY OR WHATEVER THAT THE BUSINESS FRIENDLY COMMUNITY OR WHATEVER THEY HAVE, THEY, THEY TAKE YOUR COMP PLAN.
I, I'M JUST CONCERNED, AND THIS IS THE LAST TIME I'LL EXPRESS IT, THAT WE, WE, WE'VE DONE AWAY WITH OUR COMMERCIAL LAND AND UNLESS WE REALLY LOOK AT THE MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL VERSUS MIXED USE, UH, COMMERCIAL, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T MIND BROAD AREAS OF MM-HMM.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT JUST UNNERVES ME A LITTLE BIT TO SEE US GETTING RID OF ALL THE COMMERCIAL AREA AND REPLACING IT.
AND YOU'RE SAYING COUNSEL DIRECTED YOU TO DO THIS AT A RETREAT WITH, WITH FRIDA WITHOUT THE FINAL COMMISSION BEING THERE? I'M, YES.
I'M SAYING THAT THEY SAID THEY DID NOT LIKE THE HIGH DENSITY MIXED USE.
THAT IT WAS A BROWN COLOR THAT WAS ON THE MAP.
THEY SAID IT WAS TOO TALL BECAUSE THAT ONE SAID FIVE TO SEVEN STORIES BY RIGHT.
THEY SAID IT WAS, IT WAS TOO DENSE.
SO I TOOK THAT LAND USE CATEGORY OUT AND THEN THEY SAID WE LIKE THE MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED USE.
I HAD TWO PHONE BOARDS AND I HAD EXAMPLES OF WHAT THESE TYPES OF FUTURE LAND USES WOULD LOOK LIKE.
JUST RANDOM EXAMPLES THAT WE PULLED THAT WERE FROM THE STATE OR, OKAY.
UM, IN OTHER CONFERENCES PLANS, YOU SAID THIS IS WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE.
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE FUTURE? ALL RIGHT.
UM, BUT MY THOUGHT IS, WELL, I'LL GO ON THE RECORD.
SAY I DISAGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT THAT THE MIXED USE WOULD ALLOW HOTELS, MOTELS, AND GAS ON UNIT BUSINESSES.
BUT YOU CAN SHOW WHAT YOU WANT.
I MEAN, WHAT WHATEVER YOU DECIDE ON THE FINAL PRODUCT, WE'RE DEPENDING ON STAFF TO REALLY MM-HMM.
WHAT MY THOUGHT IS, I INCLUDED SOME LANGUAGE HERE UNDER THIS MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED USE DISTRICTS SECTION HERE.
THIS IS WHAT I'M THINKING WE WOULD USE FOR COMMERCIAL.
SO THIS SAYS AUTO ACCOMMODATING DISTRICTS FOR RETAIL AND OFFICE USES.
THEY SHOULD COMBINE RETAIL OFFICE, CIVIC LIMITED RESIDENTIAL AND OPEN SPACES INTO COHESIVE BLOCKS DESIGNED ON THE GRID OR INTERSECTING PERPENDICULAR STREET PATTERN.
AND MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD CHANGE, UM, I GUESS WE WOULD CALL THIS LIKE A MIXED USE COMMERCIAL HERE, MAKE THIS RED THAT GIVES YOU YOUR AUTO ORIENTED USES.
AND MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE INCLUDE THAT ON, UM, SHENANDOAH AND NORTH ROYAL.
AND THEN I THINK THAT WE NEED TO KEEP SOUTH STREET THIS MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED JUICE.
BUT I'D LIKE TO TWEAK IT, UM, TO JUST BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD AT THE NEXT MEETING.
THAT'S WHY I WANT YOU TO TAKE THIS HOME.
JUST READ THROUGH IT, THINK ABOUT IT, AND THEN I'M GONNA BRING YOU TO DO CATEGORIES HERE, DEFINITIONS.
AND THEN I WANT YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, I THINK, I'M HOPING WE'D BE READY TO MOVE FORWARD GOOD.
AND TAKE IT TO ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
I, I THINK AT THIS POINT, INSTEAD OF GETTING A LIST FROM US, I THINK WE NEED A LIST FROM YOU OKAY.
ABOUT WHAT CHANGES YOU ARE GONNA MAKE.
I DON'T FEEL THAT WE COULD WE GET THAT BEFORE MEETING SO WE HAVE A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH IT AND LOOK AT IT.
YOU WANT THAT, YOU WANT MORE THAN A WEEK'S NOTICE? NO, I'M, I'M SAYING I DON'T WANT TO GET IT ON ON TUESDAY.
WE'RE GONNA MEET ON WEDNESDAY, RIGHT? NO, WE WOULD, I WOULD MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT THAT.
BUT IT'S BEFORE THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
I'LL TAKE THIS OVER THE HUNDRED 20 PAGES I HAD
I JUST, I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT IT, DIGEST IT.
AND, WELL, THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I GOT ON THIS MAP IS DO WE REALLY NEED TO SHOW THE FLOOD PLAIN OVERLAY AND THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR OVERLAY THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT'S GONNA BE TAKEN OFF.
I MEAN, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SHOWING THE SOILS OR STEEP SLOPES OR ANY OTHER, OR, OR THE ENTRANCE CORRIDOR.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN ENTRANCE CORRIDOR MM-HMM.
SO, UH, AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU GET TOO MUCH STUFF ON THE MAP.
IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSING.
CAUSE WE ALREADY SHOW THE FLOOD PLAN ON ITS OWN MAP.
WE CAN AND THE EAST WEST CONNECTORS IN THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MM-HMM.
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USEFUL INFORMATION, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES TOO MUCH INFORMATION CAN DEFEAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT MEAN? CAUSE YOU KNOW OUT MAYBE, WHAT'S THAT? ZOOM OUT.
THEY CAN MAKE A LITTLE BETTER.
SO YOU WANT THE FLOODWAY, WHICH IS THIS GREEN HASHING HERE REMOVED.
WELL, IT, IT, IT IS JUST THAT YOU DON'T DEFINE IT IN YOUR DEFINITIONS.
YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ON THAT MAP SHOULD BE DEFINED IN A, IN A TABLE OR A, OR A YEAH.
AND WELL, AND I THINK THE MORE NEITHER THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR NOR THE FLOODPLAIN ARE DESCRIBED IN THE, IN THE FUTURE LAND USE, UH, DESCRIPTIONS, CATEGORY DESCRIPTION.
WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO JUST DEFINE THAT THIS IS THE FLOODWAY BECAUSE, WELL, IS IT THE FLOOD OR THE FLOODPLAIN? THIS IS THE FLOOD, FLOOD PLANE OF, UH, YEAH.
AND AGAIN, THAT HAS LIMITED IMPACT ON DEVELOPMENT.
SO, AND AGAIN, AT THIS SCALE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO, TO SHOW THAT.
I, I JUST WONDER WHY YOU SHOWED IT, BECAUSE TYPICALLY YOU SHOW CONSTRAINTS TO DEVELOPMENT ON A UNDERSTAND.
BUT WE HAVE THE CONSTRAINTS IN THE CONSTRAINTS AREA.
WE DON'T SHOW THE SOILS OR THE STEEP SLOPES ON THIS MAP.
I JUST NEED A CONSENSUS TO THIS BOARD IF YOU WANT.
WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT.
IF WE'RE GONNA SHOW CONSTRAINTS, THEN WE NEED TO SHOW 'EM ALL OR NONE, IN MY OPINION.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER EASTWEST CONNECTOR A CONSTRAINT? NO.
THEY, ZOOM IS SHOWN BECAUSE, UH, A PREVIOUS PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER IN THE SET OF COMMENTS THAT YOU ALL SUBMITTED IN JUNE, ASKED FOR THIS, UH, COMMERCIAL OR MIXED USE BUFFER AROUND THE PROPOSED EASTWEST CONNECTOR TO JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY.
SO YOU WOULDN'T JUST HAVE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE.
YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE AREAS WHERE YOU COULD HAVE LIKE A SHOPPING CENTER OR OKAY.
SOME TYPE OF COMMERCE ACTIVITY HAPPENING YES.
SO YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT SHOULD NOT I'M SAYING IT, IT, IT IS REDUNDANT.
UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE DON'T SHOW THE OVERLAY THE, OR THE ENTRANCE OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE SAME THING.
IT ALLOWS SPECIFIC USES TO OCCUR WITHIN THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THOSE ARE JUST MY COMMENTS ON WHAT'S I LIKE FOR MAPS TO MOVE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS THESE ITEMS MOVED, REMOVED.
WELL, I, I WOULD, I WOULD NOT SEE THE REASON TO REMOVE THE PROJECTED EASTWEST CONNECTOR BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN INCENTIVE TO BUSINESS TO COME IF THEY KNOW THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY OF MARY.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE LOCATION OF IT.
AGAIN, THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR HAS DRAWN ON HERE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE FINAL LAYOUT IS GOING TO GO.
DO WE KNOW HOW THAT INTERESTING CURVE GOT IN THERE? DO WE KNOW HOW THAT DESIGN CAME ABOUT? I DO NOT.
DO YOU? IT WAS ONE OF THE POTENTIAL ROUTES.
AND WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? FROM WHEN JEREMY WAS DIRECTOR YEARS AGO.
WHERE DID HE GET WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, MR. VA IS HERE.
SO HE KNOWS WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
WELL, HE KNOWS WHERE GOES TOOK HIS PROPERTY.
HE, HE VERY WELL MIGHT, BUT AGAIN, UH, WHAT DOES, WHERE IT COMES FROM HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WELL, THAT, THAT, NO, YOU'RE RIGHT.
ISN'T IF I REMEMBER READING THAT LOVELY 100 PLUS PAGE DOCUMENT, WAS IT, IS THIS LISTED AS A LIVING DOCUMENT? IT IS.
WHICH WOULD DICTATE THAT IT COULD BE CHANGED IS OH, SURE, SURE.
THAT'S, SO THE STATE REQUIRES THE LOCALITY TO REVIEW AND RE-CERTIFY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS.
SO IT STAFF WOULD START THAT PROCESS PROBABLY TWO YEARS OUT FROM THE FIVE YEAR MARK ONCE THIS IS ADOPTED.
WELL, AGAIN, IT JUST SAYS YOU HAVE TO REVIEW IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO CHANGE IT.
BUT YOU DO IT TO RE-CERTIFY IT OR JUST LOOK AT IT.
PART OF THE GOAL HERE, IF I'M, IF I'M, IF I DID MY HOMEWORK RIGHT, UHHUH IS, IS FOR FRONT ROW TO GET CERTIFIED BY THE STATE AS A, AS A SOMETHING CERTIFIED BUSINESS.
SO WE COULD OR SOMETHING SO WE COULD GET SOME MORE, MORE LOOP FROM THE STATE.
IS THAT CORRECT? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY NO.
IT WAS TO BE A, IT WAS, SO THE STATE HAS THE PLANNING COMMISSION BY STATE CODE
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HAS TO CERTIFY THIS PLAN.THAT MEANS THEY, YOU HAVE TO SEND A, A RESOLUTION TO COUNCIL SAYING WE THE PLANNING COMMISSION CERTIFY THIS PLAN.
THAT WE WANT TO ADOPT THIS AS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR THE TOWN OF HERT.
AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT EVERY FIVE YEARS.
IF, IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF CERTIFICATION THAT THE TOWN IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE TO GET ADDITIONAL FUNDING, THAT'S MAYBE I'M MAYBE PROCESS OUTSIDE OF THIS PROCESS.
MAYBE I MISREAD OR MISUNDERSTOOD.
WELL, AND, AND WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, THAT ROUTE AND THAT USE OF THAT LAND, UH, IT IS KIND OF MISLEADING.
AND, AND I SAY THAT BY THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR IS GONNA BE A LIMITED ACCESS ROAD.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE ANY OF THE AREAS THAT FRONT ON THERE HAVE A BENEFIT OF BEING FRONTING ON THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR.
IF YOU PUT A SUBDIVISION THERE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED TO ACCESS WHERE YOU WANT THE ACCESS.
YOU'D HAVE TO GO WHERE WE HAVE IT, SO MM-HMM.
SO, UH, BUT, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO TO PRESENT THE DOCUMENT TO, TO, TO, TO COUNSEL.
I, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S NEEDED ON THE MAP.
WHO WANTS THIS REMOVED? I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHO WANTS THIS TAKEN OFF? WHO WANTS IT TO STAY? I, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I, I, I WOULD AGREE.
I MEAN, THE FUTURE USE MAP, I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO DISPLAY THAT ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S DISPLAYED ON OTHER DOCUMENTS.
CONNIE, GO ON WITH THE CHAIRMAN.
THAT'S MAJORITY RIGHT THERE, DANIEL.
WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ALREADY WHEN I STARTED AND THAT WAS ADDED TO THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR WAS ADDED TO THIS MAP AT THAT TIME.
AND NOW WE'RE TAKING IT OFF, YOU KNOW, FOUR MONTHS LATER, WHICH IS LIKE, WE'RE JUST GOING BACK AND FORTH HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION.
SO, WELL, I I, THE MAJORITY IS TO TAKE IT OFF.
WELL, BUT, AND, AND AGAIN, I I RESPECT YOUR COMMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW WHO REQUESTED IT BE PUT ON THE FUTURE LAND USE, MA'AM.
I KNOW WE HAD DISCUSSED IT ON THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN IN THE PAST.
UM, LAST SUMMER WHEN WE WERE DEVELOPING THESE DOCUMENTS, I HAD ASK PLANNING COMMISSION IN THE WORKS.
WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT WAS IN JUNE.
WILL GORDON, YOU KNOW, YOU ASKED US TO READ IT, TO EDIT IT, THEN WE EDITED AND NOW YOU'RE MAD BECAUSE WE STILL GOT EDITS COMING.
I'M NOT MAD, YOU KNOW, SHE'S SO BAD.
I'M MAD YOU'RE MAD AT THIS POINT.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR THE LAST YEAH.
BUT AGAIN, BUT YOU HAD SAID A STATEMENT EARLIER THAT PLANNING COMMISSION REQUESTED TO BE ON THERE, WHO REQUESTED IT WILL GORDON IN HIS COMMENTS WHEN HE SENT TO PDF, REMEMBER LAST SUMMER, WE, YOU HAD ASKED OR DIRECTED THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS AT THE TIME TO DIRECT THEIR COMMENTS TO BILL GORDON.
AND I GAVE YOU FOUR PAGES OF COMMENTS.
YOU GAVE ME FOUR COMMENTS, I BELIEVE PAGE, YOU HAD A COUPLE PAGES, BUT YOU ALSO WILL, GORDON CAME UP WITH A PDF.
ONE OF THESE WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE, UM, THE, THE EAST WEST NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL BE EXTENDED UP TO THE, UM, SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR.
AND THEN WE DISCUSSED ADDING THIS MIXED JUICE OVERLAY.
WELL, YOU, YOU'VE SEEN THE MAJORITY HERE TONIGHT, ONE AT ALL.
UM, BEFORE WE GET ANY FURTHER, MR. DAVE BEANA IS HERE TONIGHT.
HE IS THE OWNER OF THE 604 ACRES OF LAND THAT IS SHOWN ON MARSHALL PLANNING AREA NUMBER 15 IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, IF YOU HAVE NO OBJECTIONS, I WOULD LIKE FOR HIM TO SPEAK FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT SURE HE CAN, HE CAN CRITIQUE IT TO 10 MINUTES.
BUT DAVE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT OR TWO REGARDING, BECAUSE I, THE, THE, THE NEXT AREA WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IS THAT PARTICULAR, UH, MARSHALL PLANNING AREA 15.
WHAT'S THAT? MARSHALL AREA IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
I'LL JUST ASKED FOR PERMISSION TO ALLOW HIM TO SPEAK.
IT'S PART OF, PART OF THE COMP PLAN.
CHAIR, MERCHANT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY, UH, PREPARED.
I'M, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY WE, WE HAVE THIS MASTER PLAN TO BE IS RESIDENTIAL,
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UH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE BSA, AND WHEN I SAY BSA, THE VOLUNTARY SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT IN 2014, THIS 604 ACRES WAS ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN.UH, PART OF THAT ANNEXATION WAS AN AGREEMENT CALLED THE VOLUNTARY SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE APPLICANT, THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN AS TO THE USE OF THIS PROPERTY COMING IN PART OF THE, UH, ORIGINAL OR OUR, UH, WHAT WAS THE DATE OF THAT 2015? WE, UP, UP THROUGH 2018, WE HAD, UH, INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL CHAPTER EIGHT FUTURE LAND USE MAP BEFORE SUMMIT CAME ON BOARD.
UH, THE, THE DOCUMENT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PREPARED PART OF THAT, UH, UH, THE PAGES OF THE DOCUMENT OF THE MARSHALL PLANNING AREA 15 INCLUDED A COPY OF THE MAP THAT WAS PART OF THE VSA WAS SHOWED THE MULTIPLE, UH, LAND USES, WHICH WERE, UH, MAINLY RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, ATTACHED WITH A SMALL SEGMENT OF COMMERCIAL FOR EITHER, UM, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL DRY CLEANER OR DOCTOR'S OFFICES ALONG THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
SO, UH, THAT IS CURRENTLY WHAT WE'RE SHOWING FOR THIS.
UM, I HAVE COMMENTS ON THE VSA, OF COURSE.
WELL, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE EIGHT MORE MINUTES.
AS FAR AS, UH, AS FAR AS THE VSA, THAT'S, UM, THAT IS A SEPARATE AGREEMENT.
I THINK THAT IF WE DO SOMETHING, IF THE TOWER REZONE THIS TO SOMETHING SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT, UM, WE WILL NEED THE ADDITIONAL STEP OF APPROVAL FROM THE COUNTY.
UM, IF IT'S NOT SORT OF THIS MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL, CORRECT.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE TOWN.
AND SO, SO THE TOWN HAS THE ZONING AUTHORITY.
UM, THE TOWN, IN MY OPINION, NEEDS TO ACT ON, UH, ITS ZONING AUTHORITY.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, AS FAR AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, I THINK THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU GUYS ARE BOUND TO WHAT'S IN THE VSA.
I THINK THAT IF YOU REALLY WANT IT TO BE CAUTIOUS, YOU COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO ANY FURTHER RESTRICTIONS, UH, OR REQUIREMENTS OF THE VSA, UH, CHAIRMAN MERCHANT.
BUT I DO THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU MENTIONED THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITSELF IS A SUGGESTION.
UM, AND, AND SO THIS IS REALLY THE PLANNING PROCESS, UH, SHOULD BE FLUID.
IT SHOULD BE A LIVING DOCUMENT.
UH, SO IT IS SOMETHING YOU GUYS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CHANGE.
AND OUR POSITION IS YOU ARE ALLOWED TO CHANGE IT.
UH, THERE ARE SITUATIONS IN THE FUTURE WITH, AS I MENTIONED, WHERE, UH, THAT COULD INVOLVE MORE, UH, IT COULD INVOLVE THE COUNTY, UH, AS FAR AS GETTING THEIR APPROVAL, UM, IN THE FUTURE.
BUT, UH, BUT AS FAR AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND, UM, I THINK THAT, UH, AS I MENTIONED, I THINK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE FLEXIBILITY WITH THIS CHAIRMAN MERCHANT, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ENCOURAGING YOU GUYS TO, TO CHANGE IT.
AND WE SUBMITTED OUR, UH, COMP PLAN, CORRECT? CORRECT.
YOU, YOU SUBMITTED COMMENTS 2020 JUST TO HAVE IT RIGHT.
AND, AND THOSE, UM, THOSE COMMENTS, UH, FROM, FROM THIS SIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR, UH, WHAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE FROM A DEVELOPMENT POINT OF VIEW AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY TRANSPORTATION, UH, IS CLEARLY THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE IMPACTING THIS ENTIRE AREA, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHAT POTENTIALLY WOULD BE POLITICALLY VIABLE.
AND, AND THAT TIES INTO, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.
UH, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT'S THE COMMUNITY'S DECISION AS FAR AS WHAT GOES IN THIS, UH, IN THIS LAND AREA.
AND AS FAR AS ANY FUTURE APPLICATIONS THAT WE WOULD BRING FORWARD.
AND SO, UM, THE CHALLENGE, UH, THE CHALLENGE REALLY HAS BEEN, UH, THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, UH, FACING IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND, AND THOSE APPLY TO, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST, UH, THIS MARSHALL PLANNING DISTRICT, BUT THE NORTHEAST PLANNING DISTRICT, UH, AS WELL.
AND, UM, SO WE DID MAKE COMMENTS IN DECEMBER IN THE EVENT THAT, UM, THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTRACT, UH, ANY SORT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, PROJECT W WE THINK IT WOULD BE IN THE TOWN'S INTEREST TO, TO BE IN A POSITION TO AT LEAST CONSIDER THAT.
AND, UM, IT'S, IT HAS, UH, IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TO FIND AN ECONOMICALLY VIABLE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT.
I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, CHAIRMAN
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MERCHANT AND I WILL PROBABLY HAVE BIG FIGHTS OVER FOUR LANES VERSUS TWO LANES ON THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR.IT, YOUR SITE DISTANCES CHANGE.
I MEAN, THE GRADING FOR THE, UH, FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY COMPLETELY CHANGES.
UM, AND THE COSTS CLEARLY ARE, ARE ENORMOUS.
AND SO OUR COMMENTS IN DECEMBER MORE WERE ALONG THE LINES OF, UM, OF THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC ISSUES.
AS FOR, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THOSE GUYS AREN'T TYPICALLY DOING PROPERS AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, ET CETERA.
BUT THE TAX BASE WOULD ALLOW AND SUPPORT, UH, A LOT OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THE TAX BASE PURELY FROM ANY SORT OF, UH, PROJECT LIKE THAT.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ATTRACT A PROJECT A, BECAUSE OF THE TRANSPORTATION, AS I MENTIONED IN DECEMBER.
BUT B UM, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT'LL BE EVEN HARDER IF IT'S NOT EVEN CONTEMPLATED IN THE COMP PLAN.
UM, AND IF IT'S NOT EVEN CONTEMPLATED IN THE COMP PLAN, UH, IF THAT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT TO EVEN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, SITE SELECTION TEAM OR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM, UM, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE PATH FORWARD, UH, IF A PROJECT LIKE THAT, UM, WAS A, WAS A POSSIBILITY, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S TRYING TO PUT FUTURE TOWN COUNCILS IN A POSITION WHERE THEY COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
UM, AND, UH, SO THE, THAT WAS THE, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND I'M, AS DARRYL KNOWS, I CAN TALK FOREVER ABOUT THIS STUFF.
AM I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I WAS ON PLANNING COMMISSION A LONG, LONG TIME AGO, WHEN GOOD TO SEE WHEN YOU CAME BEFORE.
AND THE REZONING HAPPENED, AND THE ANNEXATION HAPPENED.
AND I SAID THIS MATTER OF FACT, IN OUR MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT, AND THAT WAS SO MANY YEARS AGO, AND OF COURSE WE'RE SITTING HERE 10, 15 YEARS LATER, YOU STILL HAVE NO EAST WEST.
I BELIEVE YOUR COMMENT EARLIER IS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS NO LONGER ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE.
IS THAT, DID I MISUNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SAID THAT? UM, RESIDENTIAL IS ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE? WHAT'S NOT? WHAT HAS NOT BEEN ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE IN THE PAST? HA HAS BEEN, UM, FAR RIGHT.
THESE ARE THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH A CERTAIN NUMBER OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT.
UM, AND SO, UH, IT IS MORE THAT, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL IS ECONOMICALLY VIABLE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA COVER THE WISHLIST OF TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS, SO TO SPEAK.
AND A PERFECT EXAMPLE IS SORT OF THE LAST CONNECTION, WHETHER OR NOT THE EAST WEST GOES TO MANASSAS AVENUE VERSUS EIGHTH STREET, AND WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO EIGHTH STREET DURING A FLOOD, UM, IT'S GONNA COST A SMALL FORTUNE TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION.
AND, AND ACTUALLY IN 2009, UH, WE HAD SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BUILD THIS THING UP TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND THAT, OKAY.
AND THAT WAS, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD ONE ACRE LOTS.
AND SO THE WAY WE STRUCTURED THAT REZONING WAS THAT WE COULD BUILD 200 UNITS BEFORE THAT KICKED IN.
AND SO IN 2010, WHEN THE TOWN, SO IT WAS, IT WAS ADVANTAGEOUS FOR F N R L P TO BE ABLE TO BUILD 200 QUARTER ACRE LOTS VERSUS, UM, VERSUS 99 1 ACRE LOTS AT THE TIME WAS THE ALTERNATIVE.
AND THEN THE REQUIREMENT TO BUILD THE EAST, WEST TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS WOULD'VE BEEN A PART OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE 600 ACRE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FINANCE THE, THE LAST PH UNTIL, UH, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE HAD SOME CERTAINTY AS FAR AS WHAT, WHAT WE WERE DEVELOPING ON THE, ON THE BAY PIECE.
UM, AND, UH, THAT'S WHY WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE PROPERS AT THE TIME.
AND THAT'S A LONG STORY IN ITSELF, CHAIRMAN MERCHANT, WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT?
SO RESIDENTIAL IS, IS, UM, IS WHAT IT IS THAT THE CONCERNS I THINK HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED BY THE COMMUNITY RECENTLY WITH THESE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES.
THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE BIGGEST CONCERNS.
UH, AT PRESENT, WE HAVE APPROVAL NOW FOR 320 UNITS, UM, TODAY, TOMORROW, THAT THE BUILDERS WOULD LOVE TO START ON TOMORROW.
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UM, IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT VIABLE.IT'S, THERE ARE BIGGER ISSUES WITHIN THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK AND, AND HOW THAT'S GONNA TIE INTO THE BIGGER PIECE AND, AND SORT OF THE WHOLE LAND BAY, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
I THINK, UH, YOU PLACE FOR YOUR, THE, THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAKES NO MENTION ON THE BSA.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN INTEGRAL PART OF THIS.
AND I AGREE WITH DAVE THAT, THAT WE DO HAVE OPTIONS OUT THERE.
UH, THE PROBLEM IS IF WE, IN MY OPINION, IF WE GO RIGHT NOW AND CHANGE THAT WHOLE AREA TO INDUSTRIAL OR SOME OTHER USE FROM WHAT IS LAID OUT IN THE, UH, VSA THAT WE HAVE TO GO RE-LOOK AT THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, BECAUSE, AND, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE, UH, DISAGREEMENTS THAT DAVE HAS, AND I I FULLY SUPPORT HIM IN THIS.
THE EASTWEST CONNECTORS WANNA SERVE MORE THAN JUST MARSHALL AREA PLANNING 15.
SO ALL OF THESE DECISIONS HAVE BEEN PREDICATED ON THIS, THE 2035, UM, VDOT TRANSPORTATION PLAN THOUGHT THIS AREA WAS GOING TO BE PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL.
AND THAT'S WHAT THESE, THIS ROAD NETWORK IS BASED ON WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
WE DO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY IT WILL REQUIRE, IF, IF, IF WE KEEP IT AS NEXT USE RESIDENTIAL, IT WILL REQUIRE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AS PART AS ANY REZONING.
THAT LAND RIGHT NOW IS CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL.
SO WHATEVER AGRICULTURAL SUBDIVISION USES, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT CAN OCCUR THERE.
UH, SO ANY REZONING OTHER THAN THIS MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL WOULD REALLY REQUIRE US TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
ORANGE THAT'S THERE NOW IS NOT MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL.
YOU UNDERSTAND? THAT WOULD NEED TO BE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENT, NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, DISAGREE WITH THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL.
I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED TWO FAMILY ATTACHED HOMES, AND THEN INFIELD DEVELOPMENT FOR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WOULD BE PERMITTED BY.
THAT'S A MIXTURE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL INTO THAT AREA, WHICH IS WHAT THE VSA SAYS.
OKAY, WELL WHY DIDN'T WE MENTION THE VSA IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? WE STARTED HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS.
THE WHAT? WE STARTED HAVING THAT CONVERSATION MENTIONING THE VSA WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
THAT WASN'T PART OF THE INITIAL DISCUSSION.
WELL, IT WASN'T, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS PROJECT, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THE VSA EXISTED.
I'M GLAD I JUST STARTED WORKING HERE WHEN WE, WE STARTED THIS PROJECT.
WELL, WOULDN'T IT BE RELATIVELY EASY TO ADD A SENTENCE TO SATISFY YOUR, WE CAN HAVE A SENTENCE THAT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE MENTIONED, BUT WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS JUST MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED USE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN NOVEMBER ASKED STAFF TO ENACT SUMMER TO CHANGE THIS TO, THIS CAN BE A MIXTURE OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES.
THIS CAN BE A MIXTURE OF, OKAY, YOU KEEP SAYING ALL THIS, IT'S ALL ENCOMPASSING, BUT I DON'T SEE IT IN YOUR TEXT.
YOU KNOW, SAYING IT IS ONE THING SAYING WE CAN CHANGE THIS TEXT, BUT I NEED DIRECTION THEN DO YOU WANT THIS TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL? DO YOU WANT THIS TO BE MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL, OR DO YOU WANT THIS TO STAY MIXED USE? AS IN, WELL, HOW, HOW DO YOU DEFINE MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL HAVING DIFFERENT TYPES OF, YOU'VE GOT MULTI-FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY MIXED TOGETHER.
THIS MIXED USE IS A MIXTURE OF TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S NOT NECESSAR, IT'S NOT LIMITED TO RESIDENTIAL, IT'S NOT LIMITED TO COMMERCIAL, IT'S NOT LIMITED TO INDUSTRIAL.
AND THE REASON WE DID THAT WAS TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT IN MIXED USE IS TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY.
SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW THAT THE MIXED USE, WE CAN HAVE A CERTAIN COMMERCIAL COMPONENT TO IT? YES.
THERE WOULD BE A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT.
AND IT SAYS THAT IN YOUR DEFINITION, THIS IS THE DEFINITION.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, TALK ABOUT THE HORIZONTAL.
OKAY, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
IT HAS AND GROUND FOUR, AND THEN IT MENTIONS RESIDENTIAL ABOVE.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS LIMITED TO THAT BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT MIXED USES DEFINED AS TAPE CODE AND PLANNING LITERATURE, IT'S JUST A MIXTURE OF TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES.
BUT I CAN CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE IN THIS AND I THINK THAT MIGHT GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
BUT IF THIS BOARD DOESN'T THINK THAT THIS SHOULD
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BE MIXED USE, I JUST NEED, I NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU WANNA CHANGE TO, IF YOU WANT THIS TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, THAT WOULD BE THE DARK YELLOW THAT I THINK WOULD BE MORE IN LINE WITH THAT VSA THAN WHAT WE HAVE AT MM-HMM.AND IF YOU DISAGREE, WE NEED, I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
WELL, YOU TELL ME WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
I'M, I'M TELL I, I'VE GIVEN YOU WHAT MY THOUGHTS ON IT ARE.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU FEEL IS THE SOLUTION TO THIS? YOU'RE THE PLANNER.
I'M HESITANT TO DEVIATE FROM THE VSA ONLY.
OH, WE DON'T EVEN MENTION THE VSA IN THE COMP PLAN.
HOW CAN WE, I'M PERFECTLY AMENABLE TO PUTTING A SENTENCE IN HERE REGARDING THE VSA.
I THINK WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT.
UM, I THINK HAVING THIS AS THE MEDIUM DENSITY MAKES USE THE WAY IT IS NOW GIVES US MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE AGENCY OWNER.
BUT IF THERE'S DISAGREEMENT, LET ME KNOW.
I'M NOT FROM FELLOW COMMISSIONER.
I'M COMFORTABLE WITH MEDIUM DENSITY.
BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER'S HERE TOO.
I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS, NOW'S YOUR TIME TO CHIME IN ON, UH, YEAH, HE'S ALREADY MADE HIS OKAY STATEMENT THERE.
SO, SO WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH IT? YOU'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW? I THINK SHE SAID SHE'S WILLING TO PUT THE THING IN ON VSA.
RIGHT? I THINK WE CAN PUT A STATEMENT IN ABOUT THE VSA.
WELL, I WOULD WISH YOU WOULD INCLUDE THEIR MAP.
I MEAN, IT'S A VERY SMALL MAP YOU CAN PUT RIGHT IN THERE LIKE WE DID BEFORE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS.
I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE DOING THAT.
DOES THIS BOARD WANT THIS MAP REPLACED WITH THAT MOUTH OR DO YOU WANNA HAVE NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
THIS, THIS, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT THE MARSHALL AREA PLANT PEN.
WE, WE STILL NEED A MAP THAT SHOWS THE VSA MM-HMM.
AND, AND TO GET TO YOUR QUESTION ON THE LOCATION OF THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR, UH, LAUREN CALLED ME TODAY ASKING ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS OF IT MM-HMM.
UM, I WOULD PREFER TO WAIT UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING SO THAT I CAN DO SOME RESEARCH AND HAVE A DRAWING THAT SHOWS THE MULTIPLE LOCATIONS OF IT.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT SHOWING IT ON THIS FUTURE LAND USE MAP BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT NAILED DOWN.
UH, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND COST WISE, BECAUSE PERSONALLY I'M TRYING TO GET TOWN COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE SPENDING SOME MONEY FOR AN UPDATE TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE USING NUMBERS FROM YEARS AGO THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ACCURATE AND COMPLETE.
SO, UH, IF YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL OUR NEXT WORK SESSION AND I'LL HAVE THE INFORMATION ON THE DIFFERENT OKAY.
AND IN OUR CONVERSATION LATER, I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO THAT POINT.
BUT ALSO, IF I CLEAR UP THE LANGUAGE ON THESE TWO LAND USES, WHEN WE GET TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE CLEARED.
SO AT THAT POINT, WE CAN'T THEN GO BACK AND SAY, IF I, IF IT'S GONNA HAVE TO LINE UP.
SO IF I, I STATE THAT THESE ARE GOING, THIS CAN BE A COMBINATION OF, UH, LIKE FLEX INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LIVING DOCUMENT AND NOT WRITTEN IN STONE.
THIS IS JUST A GUIDELINE TO USE.
IF WE DON'T FEEL THE REZONING IS APPROPRIATE, NO MATTER WHAT IT SAYS IN THE COMP PLAN, WE STILL HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO DETERMINE IF THAT USE IS APPROPRIATE.
WE, WE, WE THINK THE BROAD SENSE IS THERE, BUT IF THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES, UH, SO I, I DON'T LIKE TO SAY THAT.
I JUST DON'T WANT, THIS IS A ZONING PRODUCT.
IT'S NOT NO, I'M JUST SAYING WHEN WE GET TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, I DON'T WANT TO THEN CONTRADICT WHAT WE HAVE IN HERE.
SO IF I TIGHTEN UP THIS LANGUAGE, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY GONNA GUIDE HOW THAT ZONING ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN.
AND, AND, AND MOST OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, A LOT OF THOSE USES CAN BE BY SPECIAL PERMIT.
OR THEY REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING AND PLANNING COMMISSION TO DETERMINE IF THAT USE IS APPROPRIATE.
SO, SO, SO WE'RE NOT WRITING STUFF IN IRON HERE, BUT WE ARE DOING SOME BROAD PLANNING.
I JUST DON'T WANT ANY CONFUSION MM-HMM.
IF YOU GET TOO BROAD OR TOO, UH, INCLUSIVE, SOMETIMES
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YOU LOSE THE WHOLE POINT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.YOU THINK THE BEST WAY THAT YOU WOULD DO THAT WOULD THEN BE AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT OKAY.
TO THEN HAVE THE INDUSTRIAL USES LISTED UNDER THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WHICH WOULD REQUIRE PLANNING, COMMISSIONING COUNSEL TO REVIEW.
SO, SO IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BY THE NEXT WORK SESSION, ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS MM-HMM.
AND THEN, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT EASTWEST CONNECTOR AT THAT POINT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S WHY I DON'T WANNA SHOW IT ON THE FUTURE LAND USE.
CAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ESTON IRON.
BUT DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD STILL BE SHOWN IN THE MARSHALL AREA? SHE'LL BE SHOWN JUST LIKE ON THE VDO TRANSPORTATION DOCUMENT.
BUT, BUT I, BUT I WANT TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE DATA AGAIN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE THE CORRECT DATA FOR THAT LOCATION.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING FIGHTING YOUR TONGUE ON THAT
SO, SO FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, WHICH WILL BE IN MARCH, WE WILL HAVE ALL THE COMMENTS THE WAY SHE'S GOING TO HAVE THEM EDITED TO CHANGE.
NOW I WILL HAVE INFORMATION ON THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR AND HOPEFULLY WE MAY HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES OUT THERE ANYWAY, BECAUSE, UH, ARE ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE COMPLAIN? GO AHEAD.
SO YOU'LL HAVE THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'LL BE READY AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THOSE AND IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO A PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN DISCUSS IT AT THAT TIME.
GEORGE'S PREFERENCE, GEORGE SEVEN.
HAS, IS THAT WE DO ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, AND IF YOU DO HAVE ANY COMMENTS, PUT 'EM IN WRITING AND GETTING THEM TO THE DIRECTOR.
UH, UNDER THE ITEM FOUR ON OUR AGENDA, UNDER OTHER, WE HAVE, UH, ELECTION OF OFFICERS COMING UP NEXT MONTH.
HISTORICALLY, WHAT WE DO, OR EXCUSE ME, WE, WE WILL THIS WEDNESDAY? YEAH, IT WILL, IT WILL BE AT THE FEBRUARY REGULAR MEETING.
WE WILL ELECT A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR.
THEY WILL NOT SERVE UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF FIRST MEETING IN MARCH.
SO WE WILL CONDUCT A MEETING LIKE WE NORMALLY DO.
UH, I WILL CHAIR THAT MEETING UP TO THAT POINT.
THEN WE WILL ELECT A NEW CHAIR AND A NEW VICE-CHAIR FOR A TERM OF ONE YEAR BEGINNING MARCH THE FIRST.
SO IF YOU WANT TO SERVE, OR IF YOU WANT TO KNOW SOMEBODY THAT YOU WISH TO NOMINATE, WE WILL TAKE NOMINATIONS AT THE FLOOR AND VOTE ON 'EM THAT NIGHT.
NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, TWO OF US HAVE OUR TERMS UP THIS YEAR.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I HAVE NO INTENTION OF SEEKING RENOMINATION.
SO IF YOU THINK THAT'S A DISCLAIMER FROM HAVING ME AS CHAIR FOR THE REST OF THE TIME, THAT'S FINE.
WHOEVER ELECT IS VICE CHAIR, I'LL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AND THEY CAN TAKE OVER COME, UH, AUGUST.
BUT, UM, BUT UNLESS SOMETHING REALLY MAJOR HAPPENS NOW, I, I WON'T BE BACK.
SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS YOU WISH.
I, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SERVE UNTIL AUGUST AS CHAIR, BUT, UM, THAT'LL BE UP TO YOU GOOD PEOPLE TO DETERMINE WHAT, WHAT DIRECTION YOU WANT THIS BOARD TO TAKE.
CUZ CONNIE AND I, EVEN IF WE WANT IT TO BE BACK ME VERY WELL NOT TO BY, YOU KNOW, WE SERVE AT THE WHIM OF COUNCIL.
AND, UM, UH, BUT, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, I'M, I'VE DONE THIS FIVE YEARS.
UM, I HAVE SOME OTHER PROJECTS TO HELP THE COMMUNITY.
I'VE BEEN HELPING THE COMMUNITY FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE, AND I HAVE SOME OTHER PROJECTS, AND I'M FINDING THE CHAIR TAKES ABOUT 20 HOURS OF MY TIME A WEEK THAT I, I CURRENTLY, UH, HAVE BEEN A LITTLE STRESSED FOR TIME.
SO, UH, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING IT.
CONNIE, ARE, ARE YOU PLANNING TO, OR ARE YOU INTERESTED IN BEING REAPPOINTED? I, I WOULD BE OPEN TO IT.
I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T SERIOUSLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
JUST TO KEEP THAT IN MIND FOR, FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.
UM, AND NOW WE'VE, UH, OUR AGENDA EDITION OF A SPECIAL RESOLUTION.
CONNIE NER, COULD YOU ENLIGHTEN US ON THIS? YES, MA'AM.
THIS WAS, I PROMISED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, BECAUSE I'LL JUST READ IT AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF CONVERSE ABOUT IT.
UM, THE POINT IS TO MAKE THE POINT, UH,
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WHEREAS ON JANUARY 18TH, THE APPOINTMENT COMMISSION FAILED TO FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN COUNCIL REGARDING THESE RESIGNING APPLICATION T3 85.THE PLANNING COMMISSION WISHES TO PUBLICLY CLARIFY ITS REASON FOR THE ACTION.
THIS ACTION IS TAKEN IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DATED NOVEMBER 30TH, PAGE 180 8, UH, WHICH ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THE NORTHEAST PART OF TOWN THERE IS A LARGE AMOUNT OF MOSTLY VACANT LAND AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALSO NOTES THE CURRENT UNDEVELOPED STATE OF THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY INDUSTRIAL PARK IN THIS AREA.
AND AS AN ACTION STRATEGY SEEKS TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT OF THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AND THE HAPPY CREEK TECHNOLOGY PARK IN ORDER TO DESIGN OUR JOBS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THE PLAN ALSO EMPHASIZES THAT PLANT DEVELOPMENT IN THE NORTHEAST AREA TOWN SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED AS TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVES.
UH, THEREFORE, THE REZONING APPLICATION WAS PREMATURE AS THERE CURRENTLY EXISTS, NO PLAN TO IMPROVE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AREA.
DURING PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE VOICE OF THE CITIZENRY WAS CLEARLY HEARD EXPRESSING DEEP CONCERN ABOUT THE THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE CURRENT LANDLOCK CONDITION OF ROUTE 6 0 6.
IT WAS NOTED, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE INDUSTRIAL PARK HAS BEEN STYMIED BY LACK OF ACCESSIBILITY.
OTHER CITIZENS NOTED THAT THERE HAS BEEN TALK OF A SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM FOR DECADES, BUT NO CONCRETE STEPS HAVE EVER BEEN TAKEN TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
SO IN DIS, IN DISAPPROVAL OF RESIGNING APPLICATION DUE TO ET CETERA, THE PLANNING COMMISSION SEEKS TO EMPHASIZE IN AN EMPHATIC PUBLIC MANNER THE URGENT NEED FOR A SOLUTION TO THIS LAND BLOCK PROBLEM.
AND CALLS UPON THE TOWN COUNCIL, THE COUNTY COMMISSION, AND ALL STAKEHOLDERS TO IMMEDIATELY BEGIN TO COLLABORATE TO UNDERTAKE THE NECESSARY RESEARCH DESIGN IN FUNDRAISING, UH, TO AGREE UPON AND IMPLEMENT A SOLUTION TO THE LANDLOCK CONDITION OF 6 0 6.
UM, WE'RE NOT CALLING FOR A FLYOVER, WE'RE NOT CALLING FOR AN INTERCHANGE, JUST SAYING, LET'S ALL GET TOGETHER AND GET SERIOUS ABOUT LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION.
AND I PROPOSED THAT, UM, THE NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION.
I ASKED THE, UH, UH, NORTHERN SENATOR VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION IF THEY HAD ANY HISTORY OF ANY RESEARCH ON ANY OF THIS, AND I GOT A VERY INTERESTING ANSWER.
UM, BACK IN 2000, THE TOWN COUNCIL APPROVED THE FINAL PRODUCT OF AN AREA TRANSPORTATION SUMMARY STUDY SUMMARY OF TAX, UH, FORWARD THAT TO EVERYBODY COMPLETED BY VDOT AT THE REQUEST OF THE TOWN.
AMONG THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS THE ELIMINATION OF THE UPGRADE, RAILROAD CROSSING AT HAPPY CREEK ROAD AND THE FUTURE REACH RUN PARKWAY.
ALSO RE ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT IS THE NEW I 66 DIAMOND INTERCHANGE VA 66 0 6.
SUBJECT TO MEETING THE FEDERAL INTERCHANGE JUSTIFICATION CRITERIA.
BOTH OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE INCLUDED IN THE 2030 RURAL REGIONAL LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN PUBLISHED BY VITA IN 2011.
THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR IS FOUND IN NEITHER PLAN.
UH, TO MY BEST RECOLLECTION, NO APPLICATIONS FOR FUNDING HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED FOR OUR FREE PROJECTS, UH, ET FEDERAL JOHN MADERA, PRINCIPAL PLANNER, NORTHERN SAN VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION.
THE, THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR IS NOT IN ANY PLAN.
THE, IT'S, IT'S ON OUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
BUT NOTHING BUT, BUT NOT IN THE PLAN, NOT IN THE FUNDING.
YOU'RE CONFUSING FUNDING WITH PLANNING.
WITH, WITH ANY OF THE, WITH ANY OF THE AUTHORIZATIONS OR THE AUTHORITIES THAT MIGHT GIVE FUNDING.
HAVE YOU BEEN TO COUNSEL WITH THIS YET? NO.
SO, SO YOU WANT US TO MAKE A RESOLUTION TO PUBLICLY CLARIFY ITS REASON FOR THIS ACTION, RIGHT? RIGHT.
WHICH IS THAT THE WELL, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT DENIED IT.
WELL, I KNOW YOU DID, BUT SOMEBODY ELSE DENIED.
SO I DON'T NEED TO CLARIFY MY POSITION.
BUT DO YOU, BUT I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE THAT MAYBE NOT.
WE WISH TO EMPHASIZE THE URGENT NEED FOR A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM.
UH, AND, UH, THE URGENT NEED FOR THE SOLUTION WAS NOT DENYING THE APPLICATION IN MY WELL, BUT TO, TO USE THE CONVERSATION TO CALL UPON THE TOWN, THE COUNTY, AND ALL STAKEHOLDERS TO BEGIN TO COLLABORATE TO DO THE WORK THAT NECESS, LET, LEMME EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME AND YOU.
WE HAD A SIMILAR SITUATION HERE WITH DATA CENTERS.
I DIDN'T COME TO THIS BODY ASKING FOR A RESOLUTION
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TO CONDEMN OR APPROVE PLANNING, UH, FOR, UM, UH, DATA CENTERS.CAUSE I WAS CONCERNED NOT AS A PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER.
I WENT TO THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING, I WENT TO A BOARD SUPERVISOR'S MEETING, EXPRESSED THE SAME.
MY CONCERNS AS A CITIZEN, UM, I'M NOT ONE IN FAVOR OF, OF THE TONE OF THIS RESOLUTION.
WELL, IT'S, IT'S ONLY A PROPOSAL.
OUR THOUGHT IS THOSE THAT VOTED AGAINST IT.
AND IF YOU WANT HELP CRAFTING THIS A LITTLE BIT, UM, YOU WELCOME BROOKE.
I MEAN, I CAN, WE CAN GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK, BUT IT, I THINK IT NEEDS TO COME FROM YOU, CONNIE NER, CITIZEN OF TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, NOT NECESSARILY CONNIE NER PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER.
BECAUSE SEE, I, I DON'T AGREE THAT, THAT THIS APPLICATION IS INCONSISTENT WITH OR NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I THINK IT IS, EVEN THOUGH THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE TRANSPORTATION IS NOT, THE INFRASTRUCTURE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT DID NOT REQUIRE HIM TO BUILD THE FLYOVER, ANY PART OF THE EAST WESTS CONNECTOR.
BUT OUR PLANS PRO SOLE ISSUE HERE IS THE RAILROAD AND THE AMOUNT OF LARGE GROWTH HAS OCCURRED IN THE COUNTY, NOT TO TOWN IN THE COUNTY IMPACTING THIS INTERSECTION.
THAT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHY I'M, I'M TRYING TO, BUT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE COUNTY.
WELL, NOBODY AND YOUR GROUP HAS GONE TO THE COUNTY AND COMPLAINED AT A FOR SUPERVISOR MEETING.
THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST MESSAGE.
WELL, AND YOU WANT TO PLAN A COMMISSION TO ENDORSE IT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? BY WAY OF EXPLANATION? UM, OKAY.
OF WHY, UH, AND, AND BY WAY OF, BY BY WAY OF CREATING A SENSE OF PUBLIC SOLIDARITY THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT CANNOT BE PUT OFF ANOTHER 30 YEARS.
WHY? BUT THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.
THIS, THIS WOULD NEED TO COME FROM YOU AT A PLANNING COM OR AT A, AT A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING IN TOWN.
COUNCIL MEETING, FIRST OF ALL, TO MAKE A DOCUMENT OR AN AMENDMENT OR WHATEVER TO COME FROM THE BOARD AS A WHOLE IS INCORRECT IN THE SENSE THAT TWO PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD DIDN'T VOTE AGAINST IT.
THEREFORE, WE'RE NOT GONNA TIE OURSELVES TO A STATEMENT, EXPLAIN WHY IT WAS DENIED.
UM, SECOND OF ALL, I AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HOLD SOMEBODY'S LAND HOSTAGE FOR THE FLYOVER, WHICH WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FUNDING OR THE RAILROAD.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
AND HE'S CORRECT IN THE SENSE THAT THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT BENEFIT FROM THAT FLYOVER LIVE IN THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY'S NOT TALKING ABOUT IT.
THE PEOPLE AT THAT MEETING THAT LIVE IN THE SHORES AREN'T WILLING TO PAY FOR IT.
THEY'RE NOT FLEEING THE SHORES.
THEY'RE STILL TO THIS DAY, BUILDING HOUSES IN THE SHORES.
UH, THE SCHOOL, CHRISTIAN COLLEGE THAT WENT FROM 26 TO OVER 600 STUDENTS, IT DIDN'T SLOW THEM DOWN.
AND NOBODY THAT MOVED THERE OR ATTENDS THAT SCHOOL WHERE ALL THOSE SPORT FUNCTIONS HAD ANY CONCERN WITH, WITH THE FLYOVER UNTIL SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD HOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE.
WELL, BUT, BUT WE HAVE IN OUR PLAN THAT THERE SHOULD BE, THAT DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED AS TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDE WHAT I'M SAYING.
BUT WE, WE DON'T SAY WE'RE GOING TO DENY REZONING APPLICATIONS BECAUSE THE ROAD IS NOT BUILT YET.
AND TYPICALLY WE DON'T PREDICATE, LIKE IT'S NOT A, IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.
WE ARE NOT IN THAT SITUATION HERE IN TOWN WHERE WE CAN JUST GO AND BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN TRY TO ATTRACT DEVELOPMENT AFTERWARDS AND NEED DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE IT.
THEY CLEARLY SAID THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IT'S GONNA COST AND THE TIME, AND YOU'RE GONNA NEED, UH, AMAZON TO COME BUILD A DATA CENTER OUT THERE.
OH, AND THEY WILL BUILD YOUR FLYOVER.
NO, I, I I'M NOT, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
I ACTUALLY, I ACTUALLY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THE FLYOVER.
BUT THIS BODY ALSO ASKED THAT APPLICANT TO ACCOMMODATE THE FLYOVER.
SO THEY SHIFTED THEIR DESIGN LAW STATE LAW.
WELL AS, AS WE SAID AT THE MEETING, AND AS DAVE SAYS ALL THE TIME, AND I'M A STUDENT OF WHO PAYS FOR IT, I ASKED THAT QUESTION AS THE PUBLIC AND, AND, AND, AND THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS IS TO GET THE POWERS THAT BE TO START ASKING THAT QUESTION.
SO THERE'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER ISSUE, BUT THERE IS NO NOTHING FOR THEM TO TAKE ACTION ON AS WE'VE BEEN LEARNING THIS WEEK, UH, WITH SOME OF THESE V A FUNDING MECHANISMS, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT GIVE US POINTS FOR FUNDING.
SO UNLESS WE TURN THAT WHOLE AREA INDUSTRIAL, WHICH WHICH MEANS IS TO BELIEVE MAYBE DAVE'S ONTO SOMETHING AND THAT THEN WE GET FUNDING FOR THAT AREA.
BUT, BUT I THINK THAT, I MEAN, I THINK WHAT
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CONCERNS ME IS THAT VDOT HAS NEVER BEEN ASKED TO EVEN LOOK AT, TO DESIGN IT OR TALK ABOUT VI'S BEEN ASKED FOR THE, WELL, BECAUSE OF THIS SENTENCE HERE FROM, FROM THE REGIONAL COMMISSION THAT THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR IS FOUND IN NEITHER PLAN, NEITHER THE 2011 OR THE 2031.THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION PLANS.
THAT'S SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
SO I DON'T THINK THE QUESTION PRAYING TO THEM.
UH, BUT, BUT, BUT REGARDLESS, I DON'T WANT TO BELABORED A POINT HERE.
YOU, YOU'VE MADE A REQUEST TO HAVE A RESOLUTION DRAWN UP BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WELL, THIS, THIS WAS, THIS WAS MY HOPE THAT I COULD CONVINCE YOU ALL TO DO, DO YOU WANT US TO PUT IT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING FOR THE 15TH? WELL, IF IF Y'ALL ARE NOT WITH ME, THEN THERE WOULD BE WELL, WE, WE CAN'T, WE NORMALLY DON'T VOTE ON STUFF HERE AT WORK SESSIONS.
WELL, BUT I GET THE SENSE THAT, THAT, I MEAN, IF YOU HAVEN'T SPOKEN UP, YOU'RE THE, YOU'RE THE NEWBIE.
UH, WELL, HE, HE, HE, HE WASN'T REALLY HERE TO HAVE A DOG AND FIND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH INFORMATION.
I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO, TO BE FAIR TO, I MEAN, I, I MEAN, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS JUST GET A, A TRY TO GET TO HELP CREATE A POLITICAL WILL TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
THERE'S, THERE'S THE WORD JUST USED POLITICAL.
WELL, NO, WE'RE NOT A POLITICAL BODY.
CERTAINLY NOT EVEN CLOSE TO IT.
THIS, THIS, TO ME BODY THAT HAS TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON FACTS, BASED ON WHAT FACTS THE ROLE OF THE PLANET COMMISSIONER IS, WHICH YOU'VE BEEN A PLANNING COMMISSIONER.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY HERE.
AND, AND I'M FINE AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN GOING BEFORE COUNCIL AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UHHUH.
CHERYL CONES ARE GOING TO, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD IS CUZ THEY DIDN'T DETAIL IT IN THERE.
BUT THEY ARE, I GUESS FROM EACH GOVERNING BODY GOING TO ADDRESS THIS IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
SO I THINK THE MESSAGE NEEDS TO BE CARRIED TO BOTH OF THEM IN A PUBLIC FORM.
AND I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE WHO HAD THE CONCERN SHOULD SHOW UP AT THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING AND EXPRESS INVOICE IT.
AND, AND AGAIN, WE'VE PLANNED FOR THE ROSE, THE, THE, OUR, OUR, OUR PLANNING IS ADEQUATE.
THE WILL TO CONSTRUCT THEM IS NOT UP TO PLAN A COMMISSION, TO LIGHT A FIRE UNDER SOMEBODY TO GET DONE.
AND YET WE DENIED AN APPLICANT A REZONING FOR THAT VERY REASON.
AS DANIEL SAID, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE DAVE OR ANYBODY TOLD YOU, THEY CANNOT BUILD ALL OF THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEY, THEY, THEY CAN, IT'S PHYSICALLY COST AND NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST PROHIBITED.
WELL, EVEN, EVEN IF YOU HAVE THE, EVEN IF YOU HAVE THE MONEY, I MEAN, LOOK AT ROCKLAND ROAD.
AND THEY HAVE THE STATE BACKING 'EM BECAUSE OF THE INLAND PORT.
AND THEY STILL CAN'T GET IT DONE BECAUSE THE RAILROAD IS THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.
AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE RAILROAD.
WELL, THIS ONE GOES THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS.
BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT AS RESPECTFUL TO YOU AS A PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER, UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADD THIS TO THE AGENDA FOR OUR 15TH MEETING AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT IN, IN A PUBLIC MEETING, A PUBLIC FORUM AT THAT POINT, AND VOTE UP OR DOWN ON IT IF YOU SO TOO WILL THANK YOU FOR THAT OFFER, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, WELL, YOU, YOU'RE THE ONE MADE THE REQUEST.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M MERELY COMPLYING WITH YOUR REQUEST.
WELL, I, I MEAN I AM, I AM JUST LOOKING FOR WAYS TO, YOU MENTIONED THAT, THAT THE, THE TOWN COUNCIL HAS TAKEN SOME STEPS.
WOULD OUR, SAYING SOMETHING, NOT NECESSARILY THESE WORDS, BUT SOMETHING, ENCOURAGE THEM AND GIVE THEM SOME BACKUP AND TO HELP THEM.
IT'S GOING, IT IS GOING TO ENCOURAGE DISCUSSION IF NOTHING ELSE.
AND AGAIN, WHAT IS A POLITICAL BODY THEY DECIDE TO DO MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, I, I JUST FEEL DIFFERENTLY.
THE BEST THING THAT YOU CAN DO WOULD BE TO GO TO COUNCIL AND COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE MATTER, SPEAK AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN.
AND THEN IS IT ON THEIR AGENDA FOR THE NEXT YEAH.
WHAT HAVE A, AS OF NOW, IT'S ON THE WORK SESSION, UM, FOR THE 13TH.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL GO TO PUBLIC HEARING THIS MONTH OR NEXT MONTH.
BUT IF IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS MONTH, YOU CAN ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO SPEAK
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DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION.JUST SIGN UP AND SPEAK COUNTY AND COUNTY.
AND IT REALLY DOES NEED TO GO TO THE COUNTY AS WELL.
WELL, THAT SHOULD COME FROM COUNCIL, NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT'S, THAT'S A PLANNING COMMISSION'S NOT A PROBLEM THAT THE TOWN NECESSARILY CREATED.
NO, BUT THEY'RE A PARTNER TO IT.
BUT, BUT THEY WERE HAPPY TO GIVE US THE LAND, HOW WEREN'T THEY MM-HMM.
AND, AND AS YOU WERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, C C CETERA HAS NOT OFFERED, BUT THAT'S KIND OF CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS, BUT WASN'T CHRISTEN APPROACHED ABOUT HAVING AN EXIT OFF OF 66 WHEN THEY BUILT THE NEW HOSPITAL? AND THEY SAID NOT.
I DON'T THINK CHRISTEN WAS IN FAVOR, UM, AND INTERCHANGE AT 66.
AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S, THAT'S A NONSTARTER.
ANYHOW, IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE GOT FROM THIS, FROM BEING, HE STATED THAT'S A DEAD ISSUE MULTIPLE TIMES IT WOULD BE OKAY.
THEY AIN'T BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE THEN.
IF, IF, IF YOU WANT THIS ON THE AGENDA, I NEEDED A WEEK IN ADVANCE, THAT'S WHEN WE SIT DOWN AND GO OVER THE AGENDA FOR OUR 15TH MEETING.
SO WE'LL NEED IT BY THE, UH, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST THE EIGHTH, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
NEXT WEEK WHEN, OR NEXT WEEK IF YOU WANNA GO FORWARD, HE AND I, AGAIN, I WILL NOT EVER STOP ANY PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER FROM PROPOSING ANY, UH, RESOLUTION OR MOTION AS LONG AS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH OUR, UH, GOAL HERE.
AND WE CAN VOTE IT UP OR DOWN, WHICHEVER WAY WE WANT TO GO.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO POLITICIZE.
WELL, AND IT'S A, IT'S A PROBLEM.
THE THE TRAFFIC IS A PROBLEM, BUT, UH, DENYING SOMEBODY'S REZONING IS NOT THE WAY THAT CORRECT.
AND, AND, AND, AND WE VOTED THAT WAY.
BUT, UH, BUT AGAIN, OTHER PEOPLE DIDN'T THEN THAT'S NOT UP TO ME TO DETERMINE.
SO ANY OTHER BUSINESS NEED TO COME BEFORE THIS DELIVERED TO BONNIE? ANY COMMENTS? THANKS STAFF FOR COMING OUT.
YOU GOT ANOTHER GROUP YOU'RE GONNA BE MEETING WITH NOW? YEAH.
I THINK YOU GUYS ARE GONNA SPEND MORE TIME YEAH.
DO, DURING HONOR, WE HAVE OUR FIRST L B B C A MEETING AND THAT WILL BE FOR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ISSUES.
OH, NOW THAT YOU HAVE A PHONE.
THEN I'LL DECLARE THE MEETING ADJOURNED.
FOLKS, CAN YOU STOP THAT RECORDER? JUST HIT STOP, STOP