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          10 MINUTES. 
          GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED, 
          [Liaison Town Hall Meeting on January 19, 2023.]
EVERYBODY. 
          SO I'M GONNA CALL THE TOWN COUNTY LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER. 
          UM, AND WE'RE JUST GONNA HIT THE GROUND RUNNING, BUT BEFORE WE DO, JUST TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYBODY TO, UM, KNOW WHO'S HERE AND IN THE ROOM IN CASE THEY CAN'T SEE THEM. 
          SO, UH, I'M MAYOR CORO AND JOINING ME IS, UM, COUNCILMAN, UH, AMBER MORRIS. 
          WE ALSO HAVE COUNCILMAN JOSH INGRAM AND COUNCILMAN BRUCE RAPPAPORT HERE WITH US AS WELL. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY OTHER STAFF, UH, TOWN STAFF. 
          BUT MS. COOK, DID YOU WANNA SHARE WHO WITH THE COUNTY HERE TONIGHT? YEP. 
          WELL, I'M VICKY COOK. 
          I'M ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND WE HAVE CHERYL KOHLERS WHO'LL BE SITTING AT, AT THE TABLE. 
          AND WE HAVE WALT MAID AND DOLORES OATS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE OUR, OUR STAFF AND IF YOU WANT THEM TO STAND AND INTRODUCE OR ARE WE, THAT'S NOT NECESSARY. 
          WE YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I, I ASSUME STAFF WILL BE PARTICIPATING IN IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT SO, SO THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS WAS TO THE REVIEW, THE LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING POLICY. 
          UM, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WE GO BACK AND, AND TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          SO, UM, UH, I, I'VE LOOKED OVER SOME THINGS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS DID AS WELL, BUT, UM, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME WAS THE MEMBERSHIP. 
          I KNOW THAT, UH, ORIGINALLY THE POLICIES WERE THAT, UM, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE MAYOR, THE TOWN MANAGER, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, ONE TOWN COUNCIL MEMBER, AND ONE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR'S, UH, MEMBER. 
          AND THE SUGGESTION WAS THAT THAT ROTATES. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THAT. 
          I KNOW OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO, THERE WERE SEVERAL TIMES WHERE, UM, SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE EVERYBODY, UM, WOULD HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE. 
          I KNOW PEOPLE CAN COME, THEY'RE WELCOME TO COME. 
          I, I, I DON'T KNOW THE BACKGROUND ABOUT WHY THEY WERE SAYING JUST ONE AND ONE IF IT WAS JUST SO THAT THERE'S NOT SO MANY PEOPLE HERE, NOT SO MANY PEOPLE SPEAKING. 
          DO YOU ALL, DOES THE COUNTY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? WELL, THIS WAS, UH, BEFORE MY TIME, SO RIGHT. 
          THE POLICY. 
          ME TOO INTERVIEW. 
          HAVE ANY OTHER REASON? I'M NOT SURE ORIGINALLY WHY IT WAS DONE. 
          AND I THINK PROBABLY BECAUSE, UM, IT WAS FELT THAT TWO PEOPLE COULD GO BACK AND COMMUNICATE WITH THE REST AND MAYBE THERE WEREN'T AS MANY ISSUES AS WHAT IN THE PAST FEW YEARS WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH. 
          UM, AND DISSEMINATING THAT INFORMATION OUT. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE WHISPER THAT GOES AROUND THE ROOM. 
          SURE. 
          IT'S HARD TO TELL PEOPLE THAT AREN'T PRESENT EXACTLY. 
          AND GET IT RIGHT. 
          SO I THINK THAT WAS ONE REASON THAT, YOU KNOW, WE OPENED IT UP TO MORE PEOPLE TO BE HERE. 
          UM, AND THAT SEEMED TO WORK WELL, GETTING THE INFORMATION EVENLY. 
          UM, I THINK THE STRUGGLE WAS PARTICIPATION AND KEEPING AN EVEN KEEL WITH NOT TALKING OVER TOP OF EACH OTHER. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD DEFINITELY, IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT PROS AND CONS, THAT WOULD BE THE CHALLENGE IS THAT, UM, I KNOW EVEN OUR, OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS, UM, SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS, ONE MAYOR THAT, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND I'M SURE THE SAME THING WITH YOU GUYS, THAT WOULD BE THE CHALLENGE. 
          UM, BUT I, I THINK IF THE, I THINK IF THE MEETING IS, UH, RUN AND EFFICIENTLY, IT WOULD STILL, PEOPLE COULD STILL, UM, YOU KNOW, ASK TO SPEAK THROUGH THE CHAIR JUST LIKE YOU WOULD AT A REGULAR MEETING. 
          I, I THINK THAT THE REASON WHY I WAS LOOKING AT THAT IS BECAUSE EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID IS THAT OVER THE LAST, UM, COUPLE YEARS, THERE WERE TIMES WHERE PEOPLE MISUNDERSTOOD SOMETHING OR DIDN'T GET THE, DIDN'T GET THE INFORMATION THE SAME WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY READ IT SOMEWHERE, SOCIAL MEDIA OR WHATEVER. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WHEN EVERYBODY'S SITTING IN THE ROOM, EVERYBODY GETS THE SAME INFORMATION AT THE SAME TIME. 
          UM, AND ALSO IT SAVES SOMEBODY HAVE TO GO BACK TO YOUR BOARD AND EXPLAIN EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. 
          ALTHOUGH YOU CAN WATCH THE VIDEO, BUT, BUT ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT NEED A, A CONSENSUS OR A DIRECTION MOVING FORWARD, IT'S HARD TO GIVE A DIRECTION WHEN IT'S DRESSED. 
          TWO PEOPLE REPRESENTING. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, SO I HAD COMMENTS. 
          THE MEMBERSHIP WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO DISCUSS TONIGHT. 
          I BROUGHT THIS UP IN OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING. 
          I, IN MY 15 MONTHS ON COUNCIL, OUT OF A SIX MEMBER COUNCIL, UM, THERE'S FIVE NEW COUNCILMEN SITTING AROUND THE TABLE WITH ME. 
          AND, UM, THROUGH ALL OF THAT, THERE HAVE BEEN THREE BACON SEASON IN THAT 
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FIRST YEAR. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALL EQUALLY ELECTED OFFICIALS AND WE'RE ALL ELECTED BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. 
          AND EACH OF US ARE ELECTED TO CARRY FORTH, UM, A VISION AND A PURPOSE FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          AND SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, MY, MYSELF ONE COUNCIL, I HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME TO ME FOR DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEY GO TO MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR, SO I FEEL LIKE AS LONG AS WE COULD HAVE THE MEETINGS RUN EFFECTIVELY, I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY DESERVES A SEAT AT THE COMMITTEE AT THESE LIAISONS. 
          UM, CUZ WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT, UM, CONCERNS, DIFFERENT VOICES, AND I THINK CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING. 
          WE CAN TAKE THESE MESSAGES BACK TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ABSENT TONIGHT, BUT THE CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION'S DIFFERENT AT THAT POINT. 
          AND I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES THEY ARE RECORDED LIVE TONIGHT, BUT THE LAST ONE WAS NOT RECORDED AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER. 
          UM, SO THAT'S NOT ALWAYS, UM, IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK. 
          I THINK SAYING INVITED TO THAT WAS, WAS, THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER THING. 
          I KNOW THERE'S LIKE THESE RULES ABOUT IF YOU MISSED SO MANY MEETINGS, UH, OR AT LEAST IT IS ON OUR END. 
          LIKE YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, MISS SO MANY MEETINGS FOR A PERSONAL REASON, AS LONG AS THESE WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING WHERE ATTENDANCE WAS, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED THAT IT WAS MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, AN INVITE, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? MORE LIKE A YEAH. 
          MORE LIKE A, IT'S NOT GONNA COUNT AGAINST THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          IN MY OPINION, WE CURRENTLY ON THE COUNCIL SIDE ALL HAVE A COUNCIL THAT ENTIRELY CAMPAIGNED ON BETTER TOWN COUNTY RELATIONS. 
          YES. 
          SO THIS ATTENDANT SHOULD BE A PRIORITY IN MY OPINION, IF THEY'RE ALL INVITED AND WELCOME. 
          SO IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, I KNOW WE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA. 
          IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF DO WE WANT TO MAKE CHANGES TO IT? BECAUSE TINA, SORRY IF I REFERRED TO YOU A LOT, BUT YOU KIND OF HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THE ROOM HERE. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT LIKE THE COUNTY APPROVED IT AND THE TOWN IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, BUT I, I'M WONDERING HOW LONG IT'S BEEN SINCE ANYBODY REALLY HAS CHANGED MUCH. 
          DO YOU KNOW? LAST YEAR OR 21? I'M SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S A, IT'S ON THE, IT'S ON THE LAST PAGE AT THE BOTTOM. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I MEAN, CHANGED IT AS IN IT WAS ALSO DURING THE PEAK OF COVID. 
          SO I WONDER IF THAT'S ALSO A REASON FOR WHY THE PARTICIPATION MEMBERSHIP WAS PROBABLY KEPT LOWER THE LAST TIME WAS MARCH OF 2021. 
          WELL, THAT, THAT WAS WHEN IT WAS APPROVED. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK THEY TOUCHED THE MEMBERSHIP THOUGH. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS I HAD UNDER THE MEETING SCHEDULE. 
          IT SAYS MEETING SHALL BE ROTATED EVERY SIX MONTHS BETWEEN THE TOWN AND COUNTY. 
          I, THIS IS JUST MY FAULT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T ROTATE IT EVERY, LIKE HERE THEN COUNTY, THEN TOWN, THEN COUNTY, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY LIKE, SO JANUARY, APRIL WE DO IT WITH THE TOWN AND THEN WE DO IT THE GOVERNOR'S CENTER JULY AND OCTOBER. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, I LIKE WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT EVER CAME FROM. 
          LIKE WHY WOULDN'T YOU ROTATE EACH TIME? IS THERE, DO YOU THINK THERE'S A REASONING BEHIND THAT THAT I'M JUST NOT AWARE OF? I AGREE WITH YOU AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO IF EVERYBODY, IF EVERY BE BETTY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT, I THINK WE COULD CHANGE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN THAT WAY WE'RE MIXING IT UP AS LONG AS IT, WE KNOW WHICH IS GONNA BE IN, UH, UNDER MEETING AGENDA WHERE IT SAYS, I'M JUST SHARING WITH YOU THE THINGS I WANT TO CHANGE, FEEL FREE, EVERYBODY SPEAK UP. 
          BUT UNDER MEETING AGENDA WHERE IT SAYS ANY REQUEST TO PLACE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA SHALL BE MADE BY 1:00 PM ON TUESDAY THE WEEK PRIOR TO THE LIAISON MEETING. 
          SO CUZ TINA AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION TODAY BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDED, UM, THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF TO START. 
          AND SHE SAID THAT THINGS COULD BE ADDED UP TO TUESDAY AT ONE. 
          I THINK THAT SHOULD BE WRITTEN. 
          I THINK WHAT IT REALLY SHOULD HAVE, WOULD, WOULD MEANT, WOULD HAVE MEANT WAS THE TUESDAY BEFORE. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE TONIGHT'S THURSDAY, TO NOT GET ANYTHING ON AN AGENDA TILL TUESDAY, WHICH WAS LITERALLY TWO DAYS AGO. 
          TWO DAYS AGO. 
          UM, DOESN'T REALLY GIVE ANYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY, ESPECIALLY STAFF TO PREPARE INFORMATION FOR THAT. 
          SO I, IT MIGHT BE JUST THE WORDING THAT MAYBE IT SHOULD SAY ON TUESDAY, YOU KNOW, THE WEEK BEFORE. 
          AND IF YOU WANNA BE SPECIFIC, YOU COULD SAY THE SECOND TUESDAY OF THE MARCH, BECAUSE SINCE THESE ARE ALWAYS HELD ON THE THIRD TUESDAY, IF, IF THE WORDING SAYS THE SECOND TUESDAY IT'S CLEAR INSTEAD OF PRIOR OR BEFORE. 
          JUST INSERT OF MA'AM, EXCUSE ME, INSERT OF MA'AM, ON TUESDAY OF THE WEEK BEFORE. 
          THAT WAY IF YOU MOVE THE MEETING, YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY COVERED. 
          OKAY. 
          I LIKE THAT BETTER. 
          THEN IT LEAVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IN CASE WE DO HAVE TO GO TO THE FOURTH THURSDAY. 
          YES. 
          SO HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY'S GETTING THIS DOWN AND WE TAKE BACK TO COUNSELING OUR BOARD. 
          UM, NEXT WAS, OKAY, 
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THE BULLET, THE LAST BULLET UNDER MEETING AGENDA SAYS, IN ORDER FOR AN ITEM TO BE FORMALLY DISCUSSED ON THE LIAISON AGENDA, MUST BE FIRST AGREED UPON BY THE TOWN COUNCIL OR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          UM, AND THEN LIAISON COMMITTEE MADE AMEND MEETING AGENDA BY AGREEMENT. 
          UM, I, I THINK THAT'S CHALLENGING TO SAY THAT IT'S GOTTA BE FIRST AGREED ON BY THE TOWN COUNCIL OR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, DEPENDING ON WHEN YOUR MEETING IS, IS, UM, BECAUSE YOU, LIKE WE TRIED, UM, WE DID IN OUR WORK SESSION, WE ASKED WHAT DO PEOPLE WANT ON IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WHICH WAS ACTUALLY LAST MONDAY. 
          UM, BUT IF SOMETHING WOULD'VE COME UP ONE TUESDAY BY 1:00 PM THEN WE MAY NOT HAVE GOTTEN BACK TOGETHER. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW, LIKE I UNDERSTAND THEM, I UNDERSTAND THE REASONING BEHIND THAT SO THAT THINGS DON'T JUST GET ADDED THAT PEOPLE AREN'T PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT SHOULD SAY, MUST BE FIRST AGREED UPON BY THE TOWN COUNCIL OR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          MAYBE. 
          MAYBE IT SHOULD BE JUST LIKE, UM, FOR OUR AGENDAS, YOU KNOW, LIKE I REVIEW THE AGENDA OR YOU REVIEW, I DON'T KNOW HOW IS THAT THE WAY YOU GUYS DO IT? DO YOU APPROVE THE AGENDA BEFORE IT COMES OUT? THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD CHAIRMAN. 
          AND YEAH. 
          SO ANYWAY, THAT'S I CAN, I CAN LET THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST, I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO COME BACK TO US ONE DAY AND TELL ME, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND NO, I I ARE THE CHAIR OR MAYOR? YEAH. 
          CAN YOU AMEND, I THINK ALL OF US AMEND OUR AGENDAS AT THE MEETING. 
          WHEN WE SAY ADOPTIONS, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS? MAYBE SOMEHOW IT COULD BE ADDED IN THERE, UM, ABOUT AMENDING THE AGENDA WITH THE APPROVAL OF, OF BOTH BODY. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY WANNA AMEND THE AGENDA, RIGHT? SO THAT'S TRUE. 
          YES. 
          SO MAYBE NOT HAVE THE WORD THAT SAID IT MUST BE FIRST AGREED UPON, BUT JUST, UM, I I DON'T JUST TAKE THE SECOND SENTENCE, MA'AM. 
          YEAH, MAYBE. 
          I THINK THAT MAYBE WOULD BE BETTER. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, CUZ WE, WE BOTH SOUGHT INPUT FROM OUR BOARD AND COUNCIL TO GET ON THE AGENDA SO THAT FIRST SENTENCE ISN'T NECESSARY. 
          LAST THING IS, UM, I, I REMEMBERED THIS WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL, BUT IT REALLY HASN'T HAPPENED. 
          AND, AND, AND I WAS LOOKING AT IT THINKING, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE NEED TO BRING THAT BACK. 
          SO THAT LAST SECTION WHERE IT SAYS MANAGER AND ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT, UM, JOE AND ED, SORRY TO , BUT WHERE IT SAYS QUARTERLY, UM, OUR MANAGER WOULD REPORT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR. 
          IT'S LIKE AN ORAL REPORT OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE COUNCIL. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE UH, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WOULD SHARE WITH THE TOWN COUNCIL. 
          I, I FEEL LIKE WHEN I FIRST GOT ON COUNCIL, WE WERE DOING THAT, BUT THEN IT JUST, IT IT, IT ESCAPED US AND WE, I MEAN I CAN'T TELL YOU THE LAST TIME THAT'S PROBABLY HAPPENED. 
          I BET YOU CAN'T. 
          UM, SO JUST THOUGHT WE MIGHT, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, UM, AND THAT SAYS QUARTERLY, SO MAYBE IT COULD EVEN BE THE SAME MONTH THAT WE'RE HAVING A LIAISON OR AFTER WHATEVER. 
          I, I'LL LET YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT WHAT WOULD WORK THERE. 
          BUT I DO THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A POSITIVE THING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVING COUNTY AND TOWN RELATIONS AND THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO THEY ACTUALLY, AND YOU JUST SAID THAT, FORGOT BUT THEY DIDN'T, THEY DID AND DIDN'T GO WHILE MAYBE COVID GOT IT KNOCKED. 
          YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT WAS COVID. 
          I'M GONNA BE FAIR. 
          I DON'T THINK IT WAS TOTALLY COVID. 
          I THINK, UM, WELL I KNOW WE WENT TO VIRTUAL, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT IT JUST STOPPED FOR A LITTLE WHILE. 
          BUT I THINK COVID MAY HAVE STARTED BECAUSE WE ALL WENT TO VIRTUAL MEETING MEETINGS. 
          TRUE. 
          AND THEN YES. 
          AND THEN WE CAME OUT OF IT, IT DIDN'T, SO, BUT I THINK WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT PLACE THAN I THINK IT'LL BE GOOD FOR OUR CITIZENS AND UM, CUZ SOME PEOPLE JUST WATCHED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OR SOME PEOPLE JUST WATCHED THE COUNCIL AND SO IT GIVES PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          THOSE ARE THE ONLY CHANGES I WANTED TO SHARE INPUT ON. 
          DO YOU ANYBODY, UH, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING DIFFERENT? UM, I, I ACCEPT ALL YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE NO, YOU KNOW, PROBLEM LONG AS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HAVE THE, UM, OUR POLICY TO UM, BE OPEN AND COLLABORATIVE AND, UM, SHARE IDEAS. 
          I'M PERFECTLY OPEN WITH, WITH THAT, CHERYL MM-HMM. 
          . 
          I, I, UM, UH, CHAIRMAN AND I HAD TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO TONIGHT IS THAT AFTER WE TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AT THE TABLE, THEN ALSO TO, TO ASK OUR FELLOW, UM, COUNCILMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA START JOSH. 
          BRUCE, DO YOU GUYS SKIP? DO YOU GUYS DID, WAS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD THAT YOU THOUGHT NEEDED TO BE CHANGED? ADDED TO, TO, 
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NOT TO PUT YOU ON SPOT, BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING. 
          YOU GOOD? YOU GOOD? NO, I'M GOOD. 
          JOSH, YOU GOOD? NO, I MEAN, JUST THE MEMBERSHIP Y'ALL DISCUSSED, THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT I WAS, THAT WAS THE ONLY THOUGHT THAT I REALLY HAD. 
          GREAT, GREAT. 
          AND THANK YOU MR. DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS? NO. 
          NO. 
          AND, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO BRING BACK THE RHYTHM OF HAVING THE TOWN MANAGER REPORT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO THE TOWN COUNCIL. 
          WE DID THAT ON A THREE MONTH RHYTHM. 
          MM-HMM. 
           BEFORE CO WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED, THAT WAS A RHYTHM THAT WE WERE PARTICIPATING IN. 
          YEAH. 
          IT SAYS QUARTERLY. 
          SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, MR. DID, I GOT A, I GOT A HEAD NOD. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, ARE YOU GOOD? ? OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WHO WILL CREATE THE NEW DOCUMENT, MA'AM? I CAN,  DIDN'T, BUT I DID THE LAST ONE. 
          I'LL DO, I I DID THIS ONE ACTUALLY IN 2010, SO THANK YOU TINA. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          YEP, THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND IF THERE'S A PART OF IT THAT YOU DON'T REMEMBER, YOU COULD PROBABLY ALWAYS GO BACK AND WATCH THE VIDEO. 
          RIGHT. 
           ABOUT DO THAT THEN, BUT OH, YOU MEAN TONIGHT? YEAH. 
          UM, SO THE NEXT, THE NEXT ITEM WAS THE REVIEW OF YOU FOR THE USE OF THE BOARD, UM, BOARD MEETING ROOM. 
          UM, ONE THING, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO OFFICIALLY, YOU KNOW, READ OUT THE SUMMARY, BUT YOU GUYS CAN SEE WHY WE WERE THINKING OF THAT. 
          I GUESS THAT'S HOW THIS MADE IT MORE TO, UM, THIS AGENDA WAS JUST THAT I GUESS IN NOVEMBER THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS ASKED TO MOVE BECAUSE THE, UM, ROOM WAS NEEDED FOR ANOTHER MEETING. 
          UM, SO, AND I LOOKED, I LOOKED THROUGH THIS MOU AND ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO SHARE THAT COUNSEL HAS TALKED ABOUT, NOT, NOT, UH, MADE ANY DECISIONS, BUT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT GOING BACK TO TWO WORK SESSIONS AND, AND DEPENDING UPON THE FUTURE, EVEN IF NEEDED, GOING BACK TO TWO REGULAR MEETINGS A MONTH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHEN WE LOOK AT A SCHEDULE, IF THAT'S A PROBLEM. 
          UM, DOES, DOES ANYBODY USE THE UM, GOVERNMENT CENTER MEETING ROOM OR ON MONDAYS OTHER THAN US? I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE TUESDAYS. 
          WE'RE TUESDAYS, RIGHT? WE HAD, UM, IN THIS CASE IN, WE HAD AN EMERGENCY MEETING RIGHT. 
          THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED TUESDAY AND WE HAD TO MOVE THE MEETING TO WEDNESDAY GOTCHA. 
          THREE MONTHS AGO. 
          AND THE BOARD HAD TO, HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO DO THAT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO THAT'S WHY THAT OCCURRED. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT AS A RULE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY MEETINGS OTHER THAN SOME SANITARY DISTRICTS ON MONDAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY DON'T NEED A LARGE ROOM. 
          THEY CAN USE A SMALL ROOM. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          BECAUSE IT SAYS, UM, HERE THAT, UH, THE INITIAL SCHEDULE WAS TO BE INCORPORATED IN THE MOU, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT IN THIS MOU AND IT SAYS THE TOWN DOES NOT HAVE A COPY OF THIS. 
          IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR BOTH ENTITIES TO HAVE THIS SCHEDULE. 
          SO, UM, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING SINCE IT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR THAT WE THROW TOGETHER A SCHEDULE AND, AND PUT WHEN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT, WHAT, HOW, WHAT WAS TO COME OUT OF THIS M MOU IS FOR THOSE FROM 2003. 
          SO IT'S 19 YEARS AGO. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          WAS THE SUGGESTION THAT WE REVISIT THIS AND DO REDO A NEW ONE? I'M, I'M CURIOUS IF, UM, WHERE THAT WAS COMING FROM DO YOU THINK? WELL, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THAT THE COUNTY, THEY HAVE A SCHEDULE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHEN THIS DOCUMENT WITH MADE, I KNOW THEY WERE WORKING OUT A SCHEDULE WHEN IT, WHEN THE BOARDROOM OPENED UP FOR THE FIRST TIME, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN IN 2000 WE HAD TO INCLUDE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'VE HAD MONDAYS EVERY SINCE THE BOARDROOM AND Y'ALL HAVE HAD TUESDAYS. 
          UM, BUT SINCE THEN YOU'VE GOT SCHOOL BOARD AND YOU'VE GOT PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE, CUZ I THINK THEY'RE SET IN STONE. 
          I DON'T THINK YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO MOVE THEM AROUND UNLESS I GUESS THERE IS AN EMERGENCY. 
          SO WE WERE LOOKING MORE FOR THAT SCHEDULE. 
          OKAY, SURE. 
          THE ONE NOT, WE DON'T NEED COMMUNITY ROOMS, THAT KIND OF THING, BUT JUST THE BOARDROOM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OF WHO'S IN THERE ON WHAT NIGHT? CUZ COUNCIL WAS THAT IN THERE EVERY MONDAY NIGHT WHEN WE WERE TWO MEETINGS A MONTH. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND THAT INCLUDES THE CAUCUS ROOM BESIDE IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN THAT CAUCUS ROOM WHEN THE BOARD IS, THE BOARD IS BEING USED. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO 
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I THINK WE WERE LOOKING MORE FOR JUST A SCHEDULE OF THOSE ONES THAT ARE IN THERE THAT SHOULD NEVER BE MOVED BECAUSE THEY, THEY MEET IN THERE ONCE A MONTH, TWICE A MONTH. 
          AND THAT'S THEIR TIME AND THAT'S THEIR, AND I BELIEVE THE COUNTY HAS THAT. 
          I'VE TALKED TO, I GUESS SHELLY IS STILL THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I'M NOT QUITE SURE, BUT SHE WOULD BE THE ONE I WOULD TALK TO. 
          SO TO GET JUST, JUST FOR MY MY SAKE. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF AT LEAST THIS CALENDAR YEAR MEETINGS? OH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU WERE SAYING YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT DOING TWO WORK SESSIONS. 
          THE, OUR WORK SESSIONS WE WOULD HAVE HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE ONLY TIME WE WOULD, THE ONLY TIME WE WOULD NEED TO USE THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT CENTER WOULD BE FOR A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ALWAYS. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE A SECOND AND FOURTH MONDAY IF, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST SCHEDULED FOR THE FOURTH MONDAY. 
          BUT LIKE I SAID, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, AND THEY PROBABLY HAVE THAT ALREADY. 
          YES. 
          BUT IT DOESN'T, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE PROBABLY PLAN PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          DO ANY OTHER TOWN, ANY OTHER TOWN BOARD WELL BE, NO, THEY NEED HERE. 
          SO FOR US, FOR THE TOWNS SIDE, IT'S WOULD JUST BE COUNSEL AND PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THOSE WOULD BE THE ONLY MEETINGS WE WOULD NEED TO GET ON YOUR SCHEDULE, SO TO SPEAK. 
          UM, WE CAN MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE, UH, MASTER SCHEDULE THAT YEAH. 
          SHELLY USED KEEP. 
          SURE. 
          WE'LL THAT'S EASY ENOUGH TO SEND OVER THERE AND OKAY. 
          AS A RULE, WE FOLLOW THAT SCHEDULE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THERE CAN BE AN EMERGENCY LIKE THERE WAS IN NOVEMBER WHERE THE BOARD HAD NO CHOICE THEY HAD TO MOVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, AND IT'S NOT LIKE IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, THAT'S THE IDEA. 
          BUT IT PROBABLY DREW THE ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE DIDN'T, WE DON'T HAVE A SCHEDULE SCHEDULE. 
          SURE. 
          UM, ALSO, AND THE MOU WHERE IT SAYS CONTRIBUTION OF EQUIPMENT, I, AGAIN, I'M JUST REVIEWING THIS AND LIKE IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE CABLE TELEVISION FRANCHISE NEGOTIATION. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO THROW OUT THERE THAT SWAG. 
          IT, I, MR. DALEY, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THIS, BUT DIDN'T, ISN'T SWAGE THE ONE THAT PUT IN THE LAST BIT OF EQUIPMENT IN THERE? IT'S THE COMPANY THAT WE'RE USING TO DO OUR, REMEMBER WHAT WASN'T THAT PART OF OUR CONTRACT WHEN WE, THEY PUT SOME OF THAT EQUIPMENT IN THE COUNTY, REIMBURSED THEM FOR IT. 
          OKAY. 
          GOTCHA. 
          AND, AND , I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING I'M AFRAID TO ASK. 
          WE, WE, THAT WE PAID, WE PAID HALF OF THAT TOO. 
          YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY IT WAS ALL PART OF THE CONTRACT. 
          WHATEVER WE DID THERE, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          CUZ I SAW THAT IN THERE. 
          UM, SO, SO AGAIN, THE, THE MO YOU COULD SAY THE SAME, UH, THERE WAS ANOTHER AREA WHERE IT SAID THE TOWN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SECURITY OF THE BUILDING DURING ITS USAGE AND FOR, YOU KNOW, AND LOCK CLOSING AND LOCKING. 
          UM, AND I KNOW AT ONE POINT OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, UM, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CAME, WE, WE HAD, WE HAD P OR FROM ROYAL PD THERE AND SOMEBODY FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WAS THERE. 
          AND I REMEMBER THERE WAS A QUESTION LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THERE? AND THEY SAID, WELL, IT'S A COUNTY BUILDING AND SO WE NEED TO BE THERE. 
          AND I, AND, AND AT THE TIME I DIDN'T, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WHATEVER. 
          BUT NOW I LOOK AT THIS AND THINK WE, THEY DON'T NEED TO, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE. 
          WE'RE COVERING THAT NIGHT. 
          R R P D. 
          I MEAN, IT'S AN MOU. 
          SO IF THAT QUESTION EVER COMES UP AGAIN, EVERYBODY CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S COUNTY PROPERTY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE. 
          THE SHERIFF WAS ADVISED THAT THEY DID NOT NEED TO SEND SOMEONE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL MAYBE THAT'S WHY IT'S WORKED ITSELF OUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          ONE RECENT THING I WOULD SAY IS WE HAVE PEOPLE, UH, JUST WANDERING IN THE BUILDING MM-HMM. 
           WHO DO NOT BELONG IN THE BUILDING. 
          AND UH, WE'VE HAD THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACE THEM OUT A COUPLE TIMES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO JUST WHOEVER THE SECURITY IS TO BE AWARE OF IT AND MAKE SURE THEY CHECK ALL THE RESTROOMS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT LOCKED BEFORE THEY LOCK UP. 
          BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF, UH, INSTANCES IN THE LAST WEEK PARTICULARLY WHERE SOMEBODY SHOWS UP THERE, UM, I GO OUT AND LOCK THE DOOR AT A QUARTER OR FIVE AND HE STILL BEATS ME OUT THERE . 
          GOTCHA, GOTCHA. 
          WELL THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE JUST NEED TO BE AWARE OF. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'LL, AND, AND JOE WILL SHARE THAT. 
          UM, THE LAST THING THAT I SAW ON THIS MOU, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS SO INTERESTING, UNDER SIGNAGE, IT SAYS THE TOWN SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO TEMPORARILY INSTALL THE TOWN LOGO SHIELD OR OTHER IDENTIFYING SYMBOL ON THE CENTER OF THE WALL BEHIND COUNCIL DURING TOWN FUNCTIONS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S IN THERE BECAUSE, UM, IT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, TOWN SEALS HERE AND THE COUNTY STILLS HERE AND THERE'S ANOTHER 
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LOVELY SAT IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH I HAVE NO INTENTION OF. 
          HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY, UH, WE LEAVE THAT THERE. 
          SO ANYWAY, IF, IF WE WERE REDOING THIS, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY WE COULD TAKE THAT PART OUT, BUT SINCE WE'RE NOT REDOING IT, WE'RE NOT GONNA WORRY ABOUT IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THE NEXT ITEM, UNLESS, DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO CHANGE ABOUT THIS? I DIDN'T. 
          THE ONLY THING I MENTIONED THE OTHER NIGHT, UM, IS THE CONDITION OF THE CHAIRS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I DON'T SEE, I MEAN IT'S AS RESPONSIBILITY, CONDITION OF THE CHAIR. 
          UH, SOME THINGS I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A SHARED COST. 
          IF YOU BOUGHT ME, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT. 
          I THOUGHT, I'M NOT GONNA LIE TO YOU. 
          WHEN I READ THAT, I THOUGHT, OH, BECAUSE , THE COUNTY SHALL AT ITS EXPENSE MAINTAIN THE BOARDROOM. 
          UM, AND I HATE TO BE IGNORANT. 
          I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT OTHER WORD IS AND I DON'T, I RARELY SAY THAT. 
          WHAT IS THAT WORD? I MEAN, I'M GONNA ADMIT THE COURT. 
          IT'S A P P YOU ARE, I'M MEANT TO LOOK IT UP IN THE DICTIONARY, BUT I WAS LIKE, I, DOES ANYBODY KNOW? WORD. 
          IT IS A PPP. 
          YOU A PERTINENT, PERTINENT. 
          A PERTINENT MAYBE I'VE JUST NEVER SEEN IT SPELLED AND I'VE HEARD IT AGO. 
          IT, ANYWAY, IT GOES INTO THE COST OF THE ELECTRONICS. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT REALLY NOTHING ELSE. 
          AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I JUST SIMPLY MENTIONED THE OTHER NIGHT AS WE WERE MOVING CHAIRS AND THERE'S ONE CHAIR, I DON'T IF ANYBODY'S EVER GOTTEN IT TO KNOW, OH YES, IT DRIFTS MM-HMM. 
          . 
          WHICH IS TOTALLY ANNOYING. 
          OR IT GOES BACK ALL THOSE TIME I COULDN'T SEE OVER THE THING FOR MY FIRST WEEK ALL THE WAY BACK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE, I MEAN THE, THE VINYL IS WEARING OFF. 
          YOU GET UP AND YOU'VE GOT PIECES OF IT STUFF TO YOU. 
          AND I JUST SIMPLY MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S, IS THIS A SHARED COST? AND IF SO, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING, CAN WE TALK ABOUT WHETHER WE WANNA GET NEW CHAIRS OR NOT OR HOW WE WANNA DO THAT. 
          BUT AFTER READING THIS TODAY, I THOUGHT IT REALLY DOESN'T SAY SO. 
          WELL I I THINK IT DOES SAY CHERYL . 
          WELL YEAH, BUT I'M NOT SAYING IT'S FAIR. 
          I'M JUST SAYING I THINK IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT'S  . 
          HE WAS THE ONE WHO SIGNED IT. 
          SPENT A LOT. 
          YEAH, NO, I, I BUT NOW I I THAT YEAH, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I KNOW. 
          UM, AND, AND FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT LIKE, LIKE WE HAVE, LIKE, WE HAVE MORE AND LIKE WE'RE ALL SITTING, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE ALL TRYING TO GET FANCY CHAIRS. 
          REMEMBER YEARS AGO WHEN THE SCHOOL BOARD GOT NEW CHAIRS? YES. 
          SOMEBODY ON THE SCHOOL BOARD LIKE GOT REALLY UPSET CAUSE WE GOT A NEW CHAIR. 
          YOU KNOW, I JUST BRING IT UP TO SEE BECAUSE YOU GUYS USE 'EM TOO, DO YOU? RIGHT. 
           HOW MANY, HOW MANY TIMES DOES THE COUNTY USE THEM? WELL WE USE IT, UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE USE WITH ALL THESE, CUS WE'RE USING IT FOUR TIMES A MONTH AND THE PLANNING CAN USE COMMISSION USES IT ONCE A MONTH AND SCHOOL BOARD USES IT ONCE A MONTH. 
          SO WE'RE, SO WE'RE LIKE RESPONSIBLE FOR 20% OF THE CHAIRS. 
          AMBER, WE'LL WE'LL TAKE THE ONE THAT WORKS. 
          . 
          WELL EVEN IF WE PAY THE COUNTY PAYS THE WHOLE COST OF IT. 
          IS THERE A FEEL WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CHAIRS AND ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE TYPE OF CHAIRS THAT ARE THERE IF WE ORDER THEM? CAUSE YOU USE THEM TOO. 
          NO, I KNOW. 
          SHOULD LOOK AT SOME NEW CHAIRS AND GIVE US A GOOD PRICE ON THESE. 
          . 
          THESE ARE PRETTY NICE. 
          I WAS LOOKING, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A BRING THEIR OWN CHAIRS. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF I HAVE TO BRING MY OWN CHAIR, I'LL DIE. 
          I'M LIKE YOU, I'M JUST JOKING. 
          WE'LL, SHREDDER AT THE LAST, BUT LET'S DO REVISIT THAT. 
          I MEAN, ALL KIDDING US ASIDE CUZ YOU ARE RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE THERE ARE LIKE I, I KNOW GARY'S SAT BESIDE ME AND THERE WERE MANY TIMES HE'D GET READY TO GO BACK AND HE WOULD JUST GO LIKE WAY BACK. 
          SO YEAH. 
          ANYWAY, AND, AND THEY MAY BE HAVE BEEN PURCHASED IN 2003 SO I AM APPROVED UP ANYMORE BUT YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING HAS ITS LIFE AND ME. 
          DID YOU SHE SAID I'M A FRUGAL PERSON. 
          WE'VE GOTTEN OUR YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD COMPLAIN IF WE HAD TO DO THAT, BUT UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT CHURCHS CAUSE THEY ARE YOU GONE, DO YOU? YEAH. 
          YES. 
          WHEN YOU SAY WE'RE GONNA REVISIT THIS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WOULD YOU, OH, YOU KNOW GOTCHA. 
          IF YOU LET ME AND ED CAN CONNECT AFTER THIS OKAY. 
          IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO, WE CAN REPORT BACK ON BOARDS, THE CHAIR THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BECAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY, WE DO HAVE SOME WARM ONES WE PROBABLY COULD GET, GET, WE COULD GET, BUT YOU DON'T WANT US TO GET NEW AND THEN Y'ALL AND THE COUNTY GET NEW. 
          RIGHT? OKAY. 
          WE, THE PRICE WAS RIGHT, WE TAKE THEM. 
          WE'LL LEAVE LEASE THEM TO YOU 
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DOLLAR. 
          UM, THAT WAS JOKE. 
          UM, SO NUMBER THREE, CITY TWO, TOURISM, BUSINESS MARKETING PLAN, UPDATE NEXT STEPS FOR D AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR SUMMARY JUST SAYS THAT THE TOWN IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON VERSION THREE OF M MOU BETWEEN THE TOWN AND DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL AND THE, AND FOR YOUR ALL'S KNOWLEDGE, THE TOWN COUNCIL WERE SLATED TO REVIEW THE LATEST VERSION IN FEBRUARY. 
          THAT'S OUR PLAN. 
          SO, SO, UM, JUST FOR, FOR MY INFORMATION. 
          SURE. 
          YOU KNOW, UM, SO WE HAVE AN MOU THAT WAS SIGNED IN APRIL 25, I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR, APRIL, 2022. 
          NOW BETWEEN US, BETWEEN US, THIS MOU THAT YOU'RE TALKING WITH, UM, DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL MM-HMM. 
           IS OUTSIDE THE, THE MOU THAT WE SIGNED BACK IN APRIL. 
          IS THAT, THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTAND IT. 
          SO, SO THE, SO THE UM, NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON, I'M, I'M GONNA ACTUALLY IF YOU, I UH, I'M GONNA DEFER TO MS. OATHS CUZ SHE, UM, SHE SERVES ON THE TOURISM BOARD AND UM, MS. THOMPSON WAS ON IT WITH HER. 
          AND, UM, SO, SO THERE, SO THE RELATIONSHIP IS AS FOLLOWS AND IT IS A LITTLE CONVOLUTED, BUT THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS GOING TO WORK FROM WE ALL AGREED UPON THAT WE WOULD HAVE A MOU BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY, WHICH ALREADY IS EXIST, IT'S DONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE AN MOU BETWEEN THE TOWN AND DISCOVER FOR ROYAL AND THE COUNTY AND DISCOVER HER ROYAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE COUNTY HAS AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL ALREADY WE, THE TOWN NEEDS TO SECURE IT SO THAT DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL CAN CREATE UM, ITS FINAL, UH, 5 0 1   FORMATION AND GO GET A BANK ACCOUNT SO WE CAN TAKE CARE OF HIM FOR ALL THESE EMPLOYEES AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY CURRENTLY SHARE RESPONSIBILITY FOR. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MY LAST ATTENDANCE ON THAT MEETING THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE FILED, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO FILE FOR THEIR 5 0 1  AND THEY'VE PROVIDED PROOF OF THAT TO OUR ATTORNEY, MR. SONNET. 
          AND THEN FOR JOE, HE'S DRINKING FROM A FIRE HYDRANT OVER HERE. 
          HE'S GETTING BRIEFED ON IT. 
          IT'S THE THIRD VERSION WE'VE SEEN IN MY TIME ON COUNCIL. 
          SO I KNOW THAT HE'S WORKING ON REVIEWING IT AND GETTING UP TO SPEED AND CATCHING UP THERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HE'S OUR THIRD TOWN MANAGER, FOURTH TOWN MANAGER TO REVIEW IT IN THE LAST YEAR. 
          . 
          SO THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          SO BASICALLY WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO UM, WE NEED TO DECIDE ON AN MOU WITH DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I THINK OUR, I JUST WILL SAY I THINK THE TOWNS, IT'S A LITTLE TRICKIER FOR US BECAUSE ONE THE VISITOR CENTER IS, YOU KNOW, BELONGS TO THE TOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, OR TOWN CITIZENS NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT I MEANT. 
          UM, AND ALSO, UM, THE OTHER PART THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT IS, SO LIKE WITH THE COUNTY BECAUSE OF YOUR, IS IT THE LODGING TAX? IT IS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE STATE CODE SAYS THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO, UH, YOU ALL HAVE TO PROVIDE SO MUCH, YOU HAVE TO, HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          YOU HAVE TO DO 100% OF THAT TOWARDS TOURISM. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I I'M NOT, SHE SAID A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE LODGING, THE LODGING REVENUE WE GET AND THEN 3% OF THAT WE SET ASIDE FOR OUR TOURISM? IS THAT WHAT YOU CORRECT. 
          IT'S 3% AND THEN WE COLLECT FIVE, BUT WE HAVE A SPECIAL CONSIDERATION TO DO THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT THE OTHER TWO GOES TO SCHOOLS? IS THAT NO, IT GOES TO THE COUNTY. 
          COUNTY. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A STATE CODE AND IT'S, BUT THE TOWN HAS NO REQUIREMENT FOR BY THE CODE. 
          SO US STUDENTS, SORRY, BUT, UH, SO, SO WE'RE TRYING, WHICH WE GOT THROUGH THAT LAST APRIL THROUGH MUCH, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THROUGH THAT PIECE OF THE WHOLE FUNDING THING. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER PART BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME, THERE WAS REAL ESTATE PROPERTY INVOLVED IN THE, AND AND TO THE EMPLOYEES AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          BUT THE INTENTION IS THAT WE'RE REVIEWING IT IN FEBRUARY. 
          AND, AND I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK OUTTA TERM, MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN GET THIS ACROSS THE FINISH LINE IN BY, BY SOON. 
          I WON'T SAY BUY ANYTHING CAUSE I CAN MARCH. 
          YEAH. 
          OUR GOAL IS BY THE END OF MARCH I'LL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSS. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T, YEAH. 
          SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT BILL? YES. 
          I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THE POINT MM-HMM. 
          , BUT THE 3% YES. 
          GOES FROM THE COUNTY GOES TO TOURISM. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT ONLY A PORTION OF THAT GOES TO DISCOVER FOR ROYAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE HAVE TO USE IT ALL FOR TOURISM. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT 
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WE CAN USE IT FOR OTHER TOURISM ACTIVITIES. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THAT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S LOOSELY DEFINED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND QUITE HONESTLY, THAT'S ANOTHER, SO IN THE PAST WITH THE TOWN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S ALSO HAPPENED IS IS THAT THAT SOME OF THE TOURISM DOLLARS MAYBE WENT TO OTHER THINGS THAT, UM, THAT WERE UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF TOURISM. 
          BUT, BUT WE'RE JUSTIFIABLY THINK LIKE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WAY FINDING SIGNS, INFRASTRUCTURE, THINGS LIKE THAT FINDING WAS TOURISM YEAH. 
          WAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          SO, BUT OUR INTENT IS THAT WE'RE MO THE INTENT IS THAT WE'RE GONNA GET THIS THING OVER THE FINISH LINE AND, AND, AND IT NOT SHOW UP ON EVERY LIAISON MEETING FOR THE PEOPLE . 
          WELL, AND A LOT OF IT WAS, WAS ME BECAUSE I I I NEEDED TO GET MY ARMS AROUND THE WEARING DIAGRAM. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, MY FIRST YEAR LAST, YOU KNOW YEAH. 
          I WAS KIND OF LIKE THROWN INTO THINGS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS. 
          SURE. 
          YES. 
          AND UM, AND SO I JUST, YEAH. 
          I WAS FOCUSED ON, OH WE HAVE THIS M MOU BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THEN I'M HERE AND THERE'S ANOTHER M MOU WITH THE TIME AND THIS AND THAT. 
          SO LONGEST THE M MOU THAT WE SIGNED IN APRIL, 2022 YES STANDS. 
          YEP. 
          IT DOES. 
          AND THE M MOU THAT YOU'RE DOING WITH, UH, DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL IS, UH, YOUR NEGOTIATIONS, BUT, BUT THE UM, HOWEVER THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT COME OUT OF THAT IS NOT GONNA VIOLATE ANYTHING OF OUR EMAIL. 
          I DON'T THINK SO. 
          DON'T THINK THAT'S OKAY. 
          YOU'RE GOOD BECAUSE JLL TECHNICALLY IS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE TOWN. 
          SO THAT'S ANOTHER THAT'S, BUT I'M, IT'S GOOD THAT YOU ASKED THAT CUZ I THINK TOO, LIKE AMBER WAS SAYING EARLIER, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NEW PEOPLE SERVING WITH US AS WELL AND SO SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT THE REST OF US HAVE BACKGROUND ON, IT'S NEW FOR THEM TOO, SO MM-HMM. 
          , SO VERY GOOD. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE CAN JUMP TO NUMBER FOUR. 
          ANYBODY ELSE WANNA OH YEAH, I'M SORRY. 
          DID YOU ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I JUST THINK THE REALLY EASY WAY TO UNDERSTAND IS THE MOU BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY THAT WAS SIGNED LAST APRIL THAT WE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD ON THAT PREDATE OF MY TIME ON COUNCIL. 
          BUT WE ALSO, SO ALSO DURING MY TIME IS BASICALLY WRAPPING UP THE FINANCING PORTION OF IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WHAT TERMS WE WERE GONNA AGREE TO MATCH BECAUSE THE TOWN ISN'T REQUIRED TO AND THINGS THAT FALL UNDER, UNDER TOURISM, WHEN I SAID LOOSELY DEFINED CAN BE SIDEWALKS, BOAT, LANDINGS, UH, ANYTHING THAT A TOURIST OF ANY KIND MAY USE. 
          UM, SO NOW THE M MOU WITH DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL IS HOW DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL WILL BE OPERATED. 
          SO YEP. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF NEW AND WE HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD PEOPLE ON THAT BOARD. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M HOPEFUL THAT, THAT THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO GETTING THIS TO HAPPEN. 
          SO. 
          WELL, IT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ESPECIALLY WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS WE'RE GETTING, UM, THE BETTER WE DO AT, UM, BUILDING ON THE, THE THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND DO THE MORE MONEY THEY SPEND AND THEN GO BACK HOME. 
          YES. 
          WHICH HELPS OUR TAX BASE AND TAKES THE BURDEN OFF OF THE RESIDENTS HERE. 
          SO, I MEAN, WHEN WE HAVE TO ADD ANOTHER MEETING A MONTH TO DEAL WITH SHORT-TERM TOURIST MARI CUS IT'S UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY ARE COMING. 
          UM, AND I WILL SAY TOO, WE, WE LUCKED OUT THAT THIS WAS, SOME OF THIS WAS GOING ON DURING COVID WHEN THERE, WHEN THERE WAS A STALL IN THERE WHERE PEOPLE WEREN'T REALLY GOING PLACES BECAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING IT DIDN'T HELP THE TAX BASE. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY HERE. 
          CAUSE YOU COULD HAVE SEEN BOAT LANDING IN BENTONVILLE. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          PEOPLE WANTED, THEY WERE ON THE RIVER. 
          I ELSE THEY WERE AT, BUT THEY WERE ON THE RIVER. 
          SO NUMBER FOUR IS THE WATER WATER CAPACITY UPDATE. 
          AND IT SAYS IN THE SUMMARY, WARREN COUNTY IS EXPECTED TO GIVE THE COMMITTEE AN UPDATE ON THEIR WATER CAPACITY. 
          I'M, I'M NOT REALLY, I'M NOT SURE. 
          UH, HOW SO? YOU HAVEN'T? SO THE, UM, WATER CAPACITY, UM, HE'S STILL WORKING ON IT. 
          WE DO HAVE A CONSULTANT WHO DID AN ORIGINAL REPORT, UH, 20 YEARS AGO WHEN, UH, THE TOWN WAS TALKING TO FREDERICK COUNTY AND THE COUNTY WAS TALKING TO FREDERICK COUNTY ABOUT A REGIONAL WATER AUTHORITY. 
          AND THAT CONVERSATION AT THE TURN OF THE CENTURY DIED. 
          UH, HE IS UPDATING THAT, UH, HE STILL HAS IT, HE'S WORKING ON IT. 
          HE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF TRACTION WITH IT, QUITE FRANKLY. 
          AND HE HAS NOT GIVEN US ANY DATA. 
          I TALKED TO HIM A WEEK AGO AND HE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING POSITIVE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY, GRAB IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING TO SEE WHAT HE DOES. 
          UH, THE GOOD PART OF IT IS HE'S NOT SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY , SO I'M NOT GETTING A LOT OF BILLS FROM HIM. 
          THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          BUT, UH, HE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING THERE REALLY EITHER. 
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IS SO THIS STUDY, IS THIS PIGGYBACKING THE REDUNDANT WATER, UM, DISCUSSION HAD LAST YEAR OR I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WOULD CALL PIGGYBACKING? NO, NO. 
          I DON'T THINK, IS IT, IS THIS THE  SO NO DISCUSSION? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. 
          AND I WILL SAY LAST YEAR WHEN THIS, WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP OR WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT BEFORE WE, WE ALL, I THINK IT REACHED A POINT IN THE MEETING WHERE EVERYBODY WAS TIRED AND A DRUG ONE AND EVERYBODY SAID, WE NEED TO GET A GROUP TOGETHER, WE NEED TO GET A COMMITTEE, REMEMBER. 
          AND, UM, AND THE ONLY THING I WILL SAY IS I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYBODY MAYBE ON YOUR BOARD, BUT NOT ON OUR, UM, COUNCIL OR SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT AGREED TO BE ON IT OR EVEN HERE NOW. 
          SO, UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY AND TOWN WON, LIKE FORM A COMMITTEE ON, BUT I, I THINK LAST YEAR OUR BIGGEST CONCERN, THE TOWN'S BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THAT SOMETHING WAS GONNA CHANGE ON YOUR END WITH WATER. 
          AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE WERE INVESTING QUITE A BIT OF MONEY, UM, ON THE REDUNDANT WATER LINE AND, AND IT, IT, WE JUST DIDN'T WANNA BE SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY AND THEN WE, IT WASN'T AS NECESSARY. 
          SO IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE YOU ALL ARE MAKING ANY BIG MAJOR CHANGES. 
          I'M, AM I READING THAT THE WRONG WAY OR THE RIGHT WAY OR WHAT? NO, I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE FAST. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE, UH, MET WITH, UH, THEY HAVE SAID BEFORE WE MET WITH FREDERICK WATER MM-HMM. 
           AND TALKED TO THEM ABOUT, THEY ARE DOING SOME WORK UP AND DOUBLE TOLLGATE AREA. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY CONSTRUCTION YET, BUT THEY ARE WORKING ON PRELIMINARY PLANS AND WORKING ON THAT. 
          UH, THE FREDERICK COUNTY BOARD DID AGREE THAT FREDERICK WATER COULD TALK TO US, UH, BUT BECAUSE OF THE TERRAIN THAT COMES ALONG THERE AND THE ACTUAL PROPERTY ALONG ROUTE 5 22 FROM DOUBLE TOLLGATE, THERE'S A LIMITED MARKET. 
          OKAY. 
          IN ESSENCE, YOU, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA BE ABLE TO SELL AT THIS POINT ANTICIPATED THIS MUCH WATER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT MUCH WATER IS NOT GONNA PAY FOR THIS MUCH DEBT GOTCHA. 
          TO GET FROM DOUBLE TOLL GATE TO FAIR GROUND ROAD. 
          AND THAT'S THE ISSUE HE'S CLEAN WITH. 
          THAT SOUNDS SMART. 
          THAT SOUNDS LIKE SMART WHERE GOVERNMENT GOOD. 
          THAT'S WHERE HE IS AT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I THINK BASICALLY FOR ME LOOKING AT IT WAS THE FACT THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE RIVER, SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THE TRAIN THAT RUNS RIGHT ALONG THE RIVER YEAH. 
          DUMPS OVER AND NOT A CHEMICAL OR ANYTHING IN THERE. 
          AND, UH, DQ EPA SAYS YOU HAVE TO SHUT DOWN YOUR INTAKE. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE A SECOND WATER SOURCE, SO WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? SO THAT'S WHERE I LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE, WE WENT AND TALKED TO THEM AND THEY HAVE A LINE THAT HOOKS UP WITH BERKELEY, WEST VIRGINIA, UM, SO THAT IT'S, IT'S SORT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVING ON OUR FARM, WE HAVE TWO WELLS TO BE ABLE TO FEED THE, THE, UM, MAKE SURE THE CATTLE HAD WATER, ONE WENT DOWN, WE COULD JUST TAKE AND SLIP A SWITCH AND THE OTHER ONE AND THE WATER SOURCE DIDN'T DROP. 
          RIGHT. 
          FRONT WORLD DOESN'T HAVE THAT. 
          AND THAT'S THE CONCERN I LOOK AT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IF THAT BLUE ALGAE HAD BEEN NEAR YOUR WATER INTAKE, YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD TO CUT OFF BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          WHEN WAS IT LAST SUMMER OR THE SUMMER BEFORE. 
          SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I LOOK AT IS, AND IF YOU HAVE, I MEAN SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT THERE IS A SECOND WATER SOURCE, BUT THEY COULDN'T TELL ME WHERE IT WAS. 
          YOU KNOW, AND WE DO HAVE A SECOND WATER SOURCE. 
          IT COMES OUT OF HARMONY HOLLOW. 
          WE HAVE TWO, UM, IT'S LIKE SLOAN CREEK AND HAPPY CREEK, BUT WE DO HAVE A, A FEED FOR WATER COMING OUTTA THE HARMONY HOLLOW DOWN THAT CREEK THAT WE CAN FEED INTO OUR PLANT PERSON FROM THE RIVER, FROM LAKE, UH, FROM ROYALS LAKE. 
          UH, WELL IT'S, IT'S BEFORE YOU GET THERE, THERE'S THAT RESERVOIR RIGHT THERE WHEN YOU GO UP ON HARMONY HOLLOW MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT WE DO HAVE A WATER SOURCE THAT COMES FROM THERE. 
          WE DO NOT CURRENTLY USE IT, BUT IT IS ACCESSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          IF WE DID LOSE OUR FEET OUT OF THE RIVER, NOW THE CAPACITY WOULDN'T BE THE SAME AT THE RIVER, BUT WITH OUR STORAGE TANKS AND STUFF, IT WOULD BE A BANDAID TO, TO AT LEAST GET OVER ANY TYPE OF CRISIS. 
          SO COULD THAT, THAT COULD MAINTAIN, SAY YOUR RESIDENCE COULD FEED THE CORRIDOR OUT THERE? THAT I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN WE DO STILL HAVE MCKAY SPRINGS AND WE DON'T TAP, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER POTENTIAL WATER SOURCE OUT ON THE 5 22 CORRIDOR. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THAT, THAT WAS MY CONCERN WHEN THEY WERE, WE WERE HEARING THAT THEY WERE GONNA HOOK IN TO CLARK COUNTY AND IT'S WHAT, THREE MILES FROM THERE 
          [00:45:01]
TO THE CORRIDOR AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT WAS MY, UH, LOOK AT IT. 
          NOT NECESSARY LOOKING AT, UM, ELIMINATING THE SYSTEM YOU HAVE, BUT, YOU KNOW, HOOKING UP A REDUNDANCY THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE CORNER CUT OFF. 
          ESPECIALLY WITH THE ELECTRIC PLAN OUT THERE. 
          I THINK THAT ONE, WELL I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THE REST OF THOSE BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, I DO, YOU KNOW, BJ TOLD ME THAT THE ELECTRIC PLANT, UH, DURING COVID INSTALLED RECYCLERS, SO THEY'RE RECYCLING A LOT OF THEIR WATER. 
          SO THEY'RE NO LONGER GETTING AS MUCH WATER FROM THE TOWN AS THEY WERE INITIALLY. 
          UM, BUT I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE POINT TO MCKAY SPRINGS CUZ THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT I BROUGHT UP IN THE LAST, WHEN WE HAD THE WATER CAPACITY UPDATE, WHICH I THINK WAS LAST SPRING OR THE BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD OUR LIAISON MEETING. 
          IT WASN'T THE LAST ONE. 
          UM, JOE, THANK YOU. 
          UH, NO, THAT WAS VERY EASY. 
          NO, I, LAST TIME JUST, I WHISPERED DAMER LIKE, OH, WHERE WAS JOE LAST TIME WE BROUGHT THIS UP? CAUSE HONESTLY I DIDN'T, I I I'M, I DID NOT KNOW THAT MYSELF. 
          SO THAT'S, AND I DON'T KNOW, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER CAPACITY LIMITS THERE. 
          WE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FLOW IS RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT'S, BUT I COULD PROVIDE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, SO IN AN EVENT, AND LORD FORBID WE EVER HAVE TO FACE THIS, BUT IN AN EVENT THAT WE HAVE TO GO TO AN ULTIMATE SOURCE, THE TWO SOURCES THAT YOU, THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THEY HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS, SO AS CHERYL EXPLAINED, NO SWITCHING A SWITCH AND, AND IT ALTERNATE GOES TO THE, THAT INFRAS INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE FOR THOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE JUST GOT IT TURNED OFF. 
          WE DON'T USE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, WE PUMP FROM THE RIVER, UM, BUT IT'S NOT AT FULL CAPACITY OF WHAT WE CAN GET OUT OF THE RIVER. 
          I THINK WE'RE PERMITTED FOR LIKE 5.2 MGD. 
          I'M NOT FOR SURE WHAT THE FLOW IS COMING DOWN THAT CREEK THERE, BUT, BUT IT'S VERY LIMITED. 
          BUT IT IS STILL ANOTHER SOURCE WITH ALL OUR STORAGE TANKS IN TOWN THAT GIVES US THAT ALSO THAT CUSHION. 
          AND PLUS WE HAVE 10,000, WE KEEP 10,000 GALLONS UP AT THE, IN THE LAKE AT THE PLANT. 
          SO WE, WE DO HAVE SOME CLEARWELL. 
          SO WE DO HAVE SOME PROVISIONS. 
          I JUST, I CAN'T REALLY TELL YOU HOW LONG WE COULD SURVIVE WHEN WE LOSE THAT FEET ON THE RIVER. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, THANK YOU JEFF. 
          THAT WAS EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE. 
          THANK YOU JOE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          . 
          CAN WE, UH, ANYBODY ELSE HERE? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENT? WELL, I WANTED TO JUST, UM, ADD THAT THE, THE IMPETUS FOR THIS DISCUSSION BECAME BECAUSE OF THE INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR AND THE UNDEVELOPED LAND ON THE WEST SIDE OF 5 22. 
          AND SO WHAT WE WERE, WE HAD A, A PROSPECT WHO REQUESTED CAPACITY FROM THE TOWN AND IN THAT DISCUSSION MM-HMM. 
          , WE DISCOVERED THAT THERE WERE NOT JUST WATER ISSUES BUT POTENTIALLY SEPTIC PACKAGE PLANT KINDS OF ISSUES AS WELL. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT KIND OF CREATED THE CONVERSATION. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY STARTED EXPLORING BECAUSE THAT THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, A RESPONSIBILITY OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH POTENTIAL PROSPECTS AND WE WERE HAVING TO PROVIDE THEM WITH INFORMATION. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT CREATED, BUT THERE IS STILL A, A SEWER PACKAGE ISSUE THAT EXISTS BECAUSE THERE'S A LIMITED AMOUNT OF VOLUME OR CAPACITY ON THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE. 
          SO WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I JUST WANTED, WE AS IN WE TOWN COUNTY, OR WE AS IN COUNTY, WE TOWN COUNTY BECAUSE THE, THE TOWN PROVIDES THE WATER. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          NO, I, AND THE TOWN ALSO PROVIDES THE, THE SE SEWER. 
          SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE WORK TOGETHER. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT INDEPENDENTLY EITHER ONE OF US CAN DO IT. 
          SO WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION THAT WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY OF THE INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IS SUFFICIENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, FOR THE PROSPECTS WHO POTENTIALLY COME OUT THERE TO PUT IN A MANUFACTURING FACILITY, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE CONSIDERING AT THE TIME. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I JUST WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU THE HISTORY CUZ YOU WEREN'T HERE. 
          YEP. 
          AND, UH, AND THEN PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE POTENTIALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT MOVING FORWARD. 
          I WILL DEFINITELY PUT THAT ON MY, AND I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, JOE, SINCE SHE BROUGHT THAT UP, I COULD, I, I'M SURE TINA COULD FIND IT, BUT, UM, THERE, THERE'S SOME, I'M SURE THERE'S SOME MINUTES AND SOME NOTES THAT YOU CAN GO BACK ON CUZ YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          THERE WERE SPECIFIC THINGS WE DISCUSSED AND THEN THEY LOOKED AT, LIKE LINES OUT THERE. 
          ROBBIE, ROBBIE BOYER WOULD BE ABLE TO UPDATE YOU ON WHERE THAT DISCUSSION WAS COMING FROM LAST YEAR. 
          SO 
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YOU'RE RIGHT, BORIS. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. 
          SO I MAY INTERJECT. 
          YEAH, PLEASE. 
          UH, I REMEMBER READING SOMETHING IN THE 60 PAGE, UH, CHHA STUDY MM-HMM. 
          , UH, WHERE, UH, THEY POINTED OUT THAT, UH, THE QUALITY, THE, THE ENGINEERS OUT THERE, UH, QUALITY OF THE WATER WAS SUBJECT AT, UH, MCKAY SPRINGS BECAUSE OF ALL THE INDUSTRIAL CONSTRUCTION THAT THAT WAS DONE OUT THERE OVER YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, SO THAT'S, THAT WAS ANOTHER, THAT COULD CHANGE THINGS. 
          THEN YOU CAN GO BACK AND READ THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          STUDY THE 5 22 CORRIDOR STUDY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL DEFINITELY WE MIGHT WANNA, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO REVIEW SHOW WAS GONNA ADD TO THAT. 
          OH, GO AHEAD JOE. 
          YEAH, I, I'VE READ THE REPORTS ON THE MCKAY SPRINGS. 
          I THOUGHT, UH, I'M UNAWARE OF ANY POOR QUALITY OF WATER. 
          MY, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND NOW I'M GOING ON THREE YEARS AGO, MY UNDERSTANDING WITH MCKAY SPRINGS WAS THE FLOW, YOU KNOW, AND THE INVESTMENTS YOU WOULD MAKE AND, AND THE QUANTITY OF WATER YOU WOULD PULL FROM IN SPRINGS. 
          THE ECONOMICS JUST WEREN'T WORKING. 
          BUT I CAN LOOK INTO THAT WATER QUALITY ISSUE. 
          LIKE THE WATER, WATER QUALITY I SAW SAID THAT MCKAY SPRINGS WAS ONE OF THE PUREST WATER SOURCES IN A IN A REGIONAL AREA. 
          IT'S WORTH SOME TO TAKE A LOOK ANYWAY. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          UM, YEP, GO AHEAD. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, SO GOING TO DOLORES, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN THE, IN THE FUTURE OF GROWTH. 
          SO IN YOUR OPINION, IS THIS A SHORT TERM, UM, ISSUE OR A LONG TERM ISSUE? WELL, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF SOLUTION. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT'S POTENTIALLY GOING ON OUT ON THE CORRIDOR, BUT IT'S UNDEVELOPABLE IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT, SO, SO DO WE, YOU KNOW, WE YEAH. 
          DO WE FORESEE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL BUSINESSES IN TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS? IS IT 20 YEARS? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A TIMELINE ESTABLISHED BECAUSE IF THERE'S A SHORT TERM POTENTIAL BUSINESS, THEN I WOULD THINK IT, THIS IS A, UM, A SHORT TERM. 
          I MEAN THIS, THIS IS MORE AN IMMEDIATE COMMITTEE OR YOU KNOW, HAVING A CONVERSATION CONVERSATION YEAH. 
          OF WHERE TO GO WITH THIS. 
          I JUST KNOW WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, WHAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT YOU SAID AND YOU SAID IN THAT IT WAS THE IDEA OF WHAT TYPE OF INVESTMENT, YOU KNOW, UM, AND YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE EXPECTATION WAS THE TOWN WAS INVESTING OR, YOU KNOW, SO I PREFER WE KEEPING SHORT TERM BECAUSE, UH, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK OUT A TURN FOR MR. PETTY, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW. 
          I MEAN, A DEVELOPER COULD COME IN AT ANY POINT THAT YOU'RE NOT EXPECTING. 
          AND I'D RATHER US BE PREPARED AND READY RATHER THAN TO TURN DOWN THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          WELL, JOE, DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT? WELL, DR. 
          DA WAS RAISING HIS HAND ON IT. 
          I WAS GONNA ASK JOE A QUESTION, NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT ABOUT HOW MUCH WATER DOES IT, HOW MANY MILLION GALLONS DOES IT TAKE TO EARN A MILLION DOLLARS? NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT DAD. 
          OKAY. 
          SURE. 
          DON'T. 
          UH, BECAUSE THE MINIMUM WE'RE LOOKING AT DEBT SERVICE IS A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          IT'S NOT TREATING THE WATER. 
          IT'S NOT YEAH. 
          PUMPING THE WATER. 
          ANYTHING ELSE, IT'S JUST PAYING THE DEBT. 
          AND FROM WHAT OUR CONSULTANT SAW, HE COULDN'T SEE WHERE THERE WAS GONNA BE THAT MUCH POTENTIAL USAGE BECAUSE OF THE RESTRICTIONS ON A LOT OF THAT LAND AND HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE CLARK COUNTY LINE AND THE FREDERICK COUNTY LINE THAT IT WAS GONNA BE VERY LIMITED OPPORTUNITY IN THERE. 
          AND WE JUST NEED THE, UH, THE BOARD HAS MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR THAT WE ARE NOT RAISING TAXES. 
          WE ARE GOING TO REDUCE TAXES AND THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE ANY OTHER WAY TO PAY THAT MILLION DOLLARS OTHER THAN TAX REVENUE. 
          WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT. 
          WELL, WE'LL SAY, UM, TWICE, UM, SENATOR WARNER WAS HERE IN THE COUNTY, UH, ONCE OUT AT THE, UM, INLAND PORT AND THEN WITH THE NEW FACILITY, UH, WATER AUTHORITY FACILITY OVER, UM, STEVENSON ON THE OTHER END OF WINCHESTER. 
          AND HE'S, HE'S SAYING THERE'S MONEY OUT THERE, BUT IT'S, THEY WANT REGIONAL, THEY DON'T WANT INDIVIDUAL TOWNS AND COUNTIES DOING THING. 
          THEY WANT REGIONAL APPROACHES. 
          SO I, I THINK SO. 
          PEOPLE PUTTING THEIR MONEY TOGETHER BASICALLY, AND YOU KNOW, THAT I THINK IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, NOT, THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK YOU ALMOST NEED TO HAVE A JOINT COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT BECAUSE IT'S YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
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WE DON'T HAVE THE, I MEAN YOU, WE'VE HELPED PAY FOR THE, TO GET OUT TO, UM, FAMILY DOLLAR AND SO WE HAVE HAD JOINT COOPERATION TO MOVE THE WATER OUT THERE AND SEWER AND I, I THINK IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BEHOOVE BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY TO LOOK AT AND TO SEE WHAT, HOW MUCH DOLLARS THERE IS REGIONAL AND WHAT YOU COULD DO. 
          BECAUSE JUST TO INCREASE WHAT YOU HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENTS TO BOTH THE, THE WATER SYSTEM AND THE SEWER SYSTEM. 
          IT, IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING TO EXPLORE RIGHT NOW. 
          I HEAR YOU. 
          I WOULD SAY IT WOULD GO BACK TO WHAT, JUST EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THOUGH, IT'S LIKE WHAT WOULD IT COST AND WHAT WOULD BE THE BENEFIT BECAUSE MM-HMM. 
          , YOU KNOW, ISN'T THAT, ISN'T THAT EVERYTHING? NO, I MEAN, SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I'D LIKE TO HAVE JOE, UM, ANSWER MY QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK A LOT OF THE POINTS HAVE BEEN TOUCHED ON AND CUSTOMER MORRIS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, AS PROSPECTS COME IN, YOU EVALUATE THAT. 
          BUT AS SUPERVISOR OATS MENTIONED, IT WAS ALSO AN ISSUE. 
          WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT IN THE CORRIDOR. 
          THE COUNTY HAS PLANNED FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN DIFFERENT PARCELS THAT AREN'T PART OF THAT AGREEMENT. 
          SO WE HAD TO COME BACK TO THE TOWN. 
          SO IT REALLY, D WE HAVE PLANNED FUTURE GROWTH OUT THERE THAT DOESN'T QUITE ALIGN WITH WHAT OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN WAS AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO AGAIN, IT'S COORDINATING TOGETHER. 
          SO WHEN WE DO GET PROSPECTS, WE HAVE A SOLUTION TO THE WATER IN THE SEWER. 
          AND THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, VALUATIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHETHER IT'S, UH, MCKAY SPRINGS OR OUR CONSULTANT ARE ALL THINGS ABOUT PARTNERING TOGETHER TO, TO BRING THESE BUSINESSES TO WARREN COUNTY. 
          SO I THINK IT'S CORRECT, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS MORE COLLABORATING. 
          WE'RE ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT COMP PLAN, TALK ABOUT FUTURE GROWTH, AND INFRASTRUCTURE'S GONNA BE A KEY PART OF IT, BUT WE WILL EVALUATE IT ON EACH PROSPECT. 
          SO I THINK IT'S SHORT TERM, IF WE GET THE RIGHT PROSPECT IN HERE, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO KNOW THAT WE CAN GO TO THE TOWN AND SOLVE THAT PROBLEM QUICKLY. 
          BUT IT IS GONNA BECOME AN ISSUE AS WE GROW IN THAT CORRIDOR. 
          I WOULD IMAGINE INFRASTRUCTURE THOUGH WOULDN'T BE QUICKLY WHAT I MEAN, SO THAT'S WHY NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          START LOOKING AT THIS. 
          I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND MAYBE THIS IS BETTER. 
          SO IS THIS A AND AGAIN, I THINK MAYBE THE IDEA BEFORE ABOUT HAVING A COMMITTEE AND HAVING THE RIGHT PEOPLE THERE AND MAYBE THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT. 
          I MEAN, WE SAID IT, WE TALKED ABOUT IT THAT NIGHT. 
          WE LEFT THE ROOM, BUT NOBODY EVER MET. 
          NOBODY EVER TALKED. 
          MAYBE WE NEED TO DO THAT AGAIN OR NOT DO IT AGAIN, BUT ACTUALLY DO IT. 
          BRING BRING IT, BRING THE CONVERSATION BACK AGAIN. 
          YES. 
          SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU AND, AND JIM CAN GO OFFLINE AND, AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN START OUR CONVERSATION AND START LOOKING AT THIS? BECAUSE I, I, AS LONG AS NEITHER ONE OF US HAS TO SPEND MONEY, WE'RE GOOD. 
          IS THAT OKAY? NO, THAT WORKS. 
          THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT'S GONNA COME TO TALK. 
          TALKING IS A SPEND MONEY. 
          WELL, MAYBE IT DOES A LITTLE BIT DEPEND WHO WE TALKED TO. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, AND I'M MAKE SURE IT'S DURING THE EIGHT HOURS, YOU KNOW, BUT, AND I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND PUT A NOTE ON HERE THAT THERE, THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT CONSULTANT, THAT'S GONNA BE BACK ON. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT SHOULD BE BACK ON THE APRIL AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I, I THINK IF YOU KEEP IT IN FRONT OF YOU MM-HMM. 
          , THEN IT'S, THEN IT DOESN'T GO RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, AND, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, I KNOW THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE START BRINGING ANOTHER SOURCE OF REVENUE TO THE COUNTY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THAT'S GONNA HELP EVERYBODY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF THIS, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY OF A, A, A BIG MANUFACTURER, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S STATE OF THE ART MM-HMM. 
           AND WE'RE, OUR HANDS ARE TIED AND WE HAVE TO REPLY, YOU KNOW, UM, RESPOND TO THE PROPOSAL OR WHATEVER YOU GUYS HAVE TO GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S BETTER TO, TO HAVE OUR DUCKS IN ORDER BEFORE THAT OPPORTUNITY COMES. 
          AND THEN THEY GO, WELL, OKAY, WELL IF YOU'RE TAKING TOO LONG, OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW. 
          SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING WITH MY QUESTIONS. 
          NOPE. 
          NOPE. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          OKAY. 
          MAYBE NEXT TIME IT'LL JUST BE, THE WORD WILL BE WATER. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT NECESSARILY CAPACITY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK THIS HAS BEEN AN EXTREMELY PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION. 
          THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST IN HAVING A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR WATER AT THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS, WHICH WASN'T THE LAST LIAISON COMMITTEE. 
          NO, IT WAS, IT WAS A DIFFERENT COUNCIL AND DIFFERENT MAYOR AND CHERYL CHAIRED THAT MEETING. 
          AND IT WAS, THE WATER CAPACITY UPDATE WAS A VERY CONTENTIOUS ITEM THAT WE HARDLY SPENT ANY TIME ON BECAUSE IT WAS JUST NOT A PLEASANT CONVERSATION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS HAS BEEN EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE. 
          THANK YOU, ED. 
          THANK YOU JOE. 
          UM, AND I'M GLAD THAT THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE HORIZON TO LOOK AT. 
          SO NUMBER FIVE IS TOWN COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. 
          UM, AND IT SAYS TRANSPORTATION BESIDE OF IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY. 
          SO THAT IS REALLY JUST COMP BECAUSE WE TOOK THE TRANSPORTATION FUNDING AWAY, I BELIEVE. 
          NO. 
          ALL 
          [01:00:01]
RIGHT. 
          SO WHO, LAUREN, I KNOW YOU'RE REPRESENTING, UH, TO SHARE WITH US FROM OUR, UH, FROM OUR SIDE OF THE STREET, . 
          SO THIS IS LAUREN KISHK. 
          I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY, YOU ALL HAVE MET HER, BUT, UM, SHE'S OUR PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, OUR PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 21ST OF LAST YEAR. 
          THEY VOTED TO, UM, NOT MOVE THE COMP PLAN FORWARD TO COUNSEL YET FOR APPROVAL. 
          UM, WE ARE, WE'VE HAD ONE WORK SESSION THAT WAS ON JANUARY 5TH, I BELIEVE THEY WERE GONNA WANT ANOTHER WORK SESSION ON THE 1ST OF FEBRUARY. 
          AND WE'RE WAITING ON COMMENTS FROM VITA. 
          I SHOULD HAVE THOSE NO LATER THAN NEXT WEEK WEDNESDAY. 
          UM, AT THAT POINT, I'M HOPING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE THIS TO PUBLIC HEARING, AT LEAST THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN MARCH, AND THEN HOPEFULLY TO COUNSEL BY. 
          SO WE ARE NOW EXPECTING V O'S COMMENTS ON OUR PORTION. 
          WE ARE, WE SET THEM THE DRAFT, I BELIEVE NOVEMBER 30TH IS WHEN VIDO WAS SENT THE DOCUMENTS. 
          I DIDN'T GET A CONFIRMATION EMAIL UNTIL JANUARY 11TH, BUT THEY PROMISED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE COMMENTS WITHIN SEVEN TO 10 BUSINESS DAYS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, YEAH, I'LL JUST, UH, WE'VE COMPLETED, UH, THE REVIEW BY THE THROUGH WORK SESSIONS WITH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION AND OUR COMPLAIN REVIEW IS CURRENTLY AT A STATUS WHERE THE REGIONAL, REGIONAL COMMISSION, UH, WE WERE WORKING WITH THEM AND THEIR DATA ANALYST TO PROVIDE US SOME DATA MINING FOR OURS SO THAT WE WILL TAKE THAT DATA AND INCORPORATE IT INTO THE CURRENT PLAN. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'VE HAD SOME, UH, COMMUNITY INPUT FROM THE BROWNTOWN, UH, CITIZENS COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION AND JUST SOME THOUGHTS THAT CAME ABOUT THROUGH THE WORK SESSIONS, UH, WITH THE PLAINTIFF COMMISSION. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE THAT UPDATING THE PLAN. 
          AND I, I CAN'T GIVE REALLY A TIMELINE AT THIS POINT IN TIME THAT WE'LL HAVE IT IN FRONT OF THE BACK, IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HOPEFULLY NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, FEW MONTHS. 
          MR. WINGING, CAN I, CAN I ASK, UM, WHEN, WHEN WAS THE LAST COMP PLAN FOR THE COUNTY? I, I KNOW HOW LONG AGO IT'S BEEN FOR THE TOWN IMPROVED WAS 2013. 
          WELL, Y'ALL ARE DOING BETTER THAN US. 
          OH WOW. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          TOOK US THERE, WHAT, MAYBE TWO YEARS, TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO KIND OF GET TO THE POINT WHERE THE BOARD, IT WAS ABOUT THREE, THREE YEARS. 
          SAME. 
          WE STARTED THIS ONE IN 2018. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE DID A VISIONING AND, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO UPDATE THE TOWN COUNTY, HAVE A JOINT, UM, SMALL URBAN AREA TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT GOES THROUGH 2035. 
          AND WE'RE LOOKING TO MEET WITH FIDO AND START, UM, UPDATING THAT, WHICH WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO BOTH OF OUR COMP PLANS. 
          UM, AND THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT SPECIFIC PROGRAM ANYMORE. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA MEET WITH VIDOT AND SEE WHAT THEY RECOMMEND, UM, AS TO KIND OF REPLACING THAT PLAN. 
          BUT THAT'LL BE IMPORTANT TO COME BEFORE, UM, BOTH GROUPS AS WELL. 
          SO, SO WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM. 
          UM, VIDOT REACHED OUT AND THEY'RE REACHING OUT TO LAUREN AND US TO SET UP A MEETING COOK PLAN. 
          CAUSE THAT WAS PART OF THEIR DELAY. 
          CAUSE I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING DELAYING BEAT OFF FROM RESPONDING TO THE TOWN TRANSPORTATION PIECE. 
          SO AT WHAT POINT WILL DO WE INTEGRATE THE TWO PLANTS? AT WHAT POINT DO WE HAVE A PEER REVIEW OR SOMETHING TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, TO THAT WE ARE ALIGNED? WE HAD A, WE HAD ONE JOINT MEETING BETWEEN BOTH OF OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONS, BUT IT WAS ALMOST AT THE END OF OUR PROCESS. 
          IT WAS NOVEMBER OF NOVEMBER. 
          AND SO THEY DID, IT WAS MORE OUR PLANNING COMMISSION KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH AND LOOKING UP THE SIOUX WATTS, THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT WE HAVE EXISTING AND POTENTIALLY WHAT KIND OF CHANGES COULD BE MADE TO THAT WAS MORE OF A BRAINSTORMING AND JUST KIND OF TAKING A LOOK AT THINGS. 
          UM, WE'LL DO THE SAME WHEN WE GET TO THE, THE COUNTY. 
          WHEN THE COUNTY PLAN, WE'LL SCHEDULE A JOINT MEETING FOR THE TOWN. 
          MM-HMM. 
           PLAN THE COMMISSION, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          AND OF COURSE, THIS WILL BE AFTER WE MEET WITH, UH,  AND WE'RE UPDATING THAT TRANSPORTATION PLAN. 
          SO COULD, AND THIS IS FOR SAKE OF VICKY HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          COULD, SO COULD YOU DEFINE THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN? IS THAT LOOKING AT THE TOTAL COUNTY AND TOWN INFRASTRUCTURE AND SEEING WHERE, HOW WE CAN MODERNIZE OR ENHANCE OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN JUST DESCRIBE THAT US, WE HAVE A TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE AT THE BACK OF, IT ALMOST GOES IN APPENDIX. 
          WE HAVE A, UM, WE HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX. 
          AND SO THAT HAS OUR TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER BROKEN DOWN INTO ITEMS AND GOALS AND WITH A 
          [01:05:01]
VERY ROUGH TIMETABLE OF WHEN WE'D LIKE TO START EITHER START STUDIES OR, UM, IMPLEMENTING THE ACTUAL, LIKE, PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD. 
          FUNDING PROJECTS THAT RELATE TO ROADS AND CORRECT LIKE TRAFFIC AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT FALL UNDERNEATH THAT EXTENSION OF MAIN STREET AND UP THROUGH KENRICK LANE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , EAST WEST CONNECTOR, MAJOR IMPROVEMENT, SIDEWALK EXTENSIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A TRANSPORTATION STUDY, AT LEAST AS THE TOWN, I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, FOR US, IT'S JUST A COMPREHENSIVE, UM, JUST STUDY DOWN OF THE NETWORK FOR THE TOWN. 
          LIKE WHERE DO WE NEED TO INCREASE CONNECTIVITY? UH, HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THE TRAILS? UM, HOW DO WE ADDRESS ISSUES LIKE THE FLY OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, HOW DO WE CONNECT TO THE RAIL TRAIL TERMINUS? AND I DON'T QUITE KNOW, LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE HAD A JOINT PLAN UNTIL RECENTLY , UM, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WAS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR 2016. 
          YEAH. 
          2018. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, WE ALSO HAVE A, OTHER THAN THE SUE OS PLAN FOR US, WE HAVE THE, THE, UH, HIGHWAY, THE CORRIDOR PLAN FOR 3 45 22, WHICH HAS, UH, IDENTIFIED SOME INTERCONNECTED ROADS THAT ARE BEING PLANNED TO PUT IN PLACE. 
          SO AS LAND USE CHANGES AND WE GET DEVELOPMENT IN, THESE ARE PIECES THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE A BIG REZONING IN PLACE. 
          AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO ADDRESS AS PART AS THAT PLAN GOES. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY TAKE WHAT SUE THE SUE'S PLAN AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WERE SHOWN ON THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN DONE. 
          AND, UH, AND THEN, AND THEN ONES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT OUR CONVERSATION, I THINK, WITH VDOT WILL BE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I DON'T, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T, VDOT IS NOT GONNA HOLD UP THE TOWNS CONFERENCE FOR THE REVIEW FOR THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THESE ARE, I'VE ASKED THEM TO KEEP GOING FORWARD WITH OUR REVIEW. 
          UM, WE ALSO, OUR COMP PLANS MIRROR EACH OTHER FOR OUR URBAN DEVELOPMENT AREAS. 
          WE HAD TO ESTABLISH THOSE BACK IN 2012. 
          SO WE, WE, WE DESIGNATED ALL OF OUR URBAN DEVELOPMENT AREAS WITHIN THE CONTRACT OIL LIMIT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN BE PROVIDED. 
          AND THAT KIND OF WENT IN WITH OUR, THE 600 ACRES THAT WEEX INTO THE TOWN. 
          UM, SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE OUR COMP PLANTS MIRROR EACH OTHER STILL WITH THOSE AREAS. 
          SO IF WE DO HAVE CERTAIN SECTIONS THAT ARE IDENTICAL AND THAT INTERCONNECTED PIECES WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PEDESTRIAN AND THE RAIL TRAIL, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE KIND OF MATCH UP AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE INTENT IN THE TEXT WITHIN THE, THE ORDINANCE AND THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR THAT THAT WE HEAR WITH EACH OTHER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BOBBY SECOND CAN ASK YOU A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHEN YOU DO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, DO YOU CONSIDER THE TOURISM ASPECT THAT WE ARE A, OUR NUMBER ONE INDUSTRY IS TOURISM, SO WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING HERE. 
          AND SO THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MM-HMM. 
           SHOULD INCLUDE THE AWARENESS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BE FRIENDLY TO OUR TOURISTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IS THAT PART OF, OF THE EQUATION? OR IS THAT, OR AM I, YOU KNOW, IS THAT TOURISM IS DEFINITELY, I MEAN, WE, WE ADDRESS THAT WITHIN THE COMP PLAN, TYING IT INTO TRANSPORTATION. 
          I MEAN, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES SOMETIMES THAT YOU HAVE IN THE FALL WITH THE LEAF PEOPLE, EVERYTHING. 
          THAT'S MY POINT. 
          , WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT THAT? AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT JUST, YOU'RE COMING IN ON 55 IN THE COUNTY, THEN YOU'RE COMING INTO THE TOWN AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SOUTH STREET AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUES IN THE, IN THE COMP PLAN AND MAYBE, MAYBE PUT SOME SOLUTIONS, OR AT LEAST OBJECTIVES MM-HMM. 
          , UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES IN THE, IN THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BECAUSE THAT WAY IT'S A CHALLENGE. 
          IT IS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND EVERY FALL, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, WE HAVE, WE'RE GRIDLOCKED ON TWO OR THREE DAYS, UH, TWO OR THREE WEEKENDS. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THEM TO CONTINUE TO COME BACK AND THEIR EXPERIENCE IS IMPORTANT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, SITTING IN TRAFFIC FOR THREE HOURS IS NOT THE WAY TO SAY, HEY, COME BACK AND VISIT US AGAIN. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WAS CONSIDERED IN THE, IN THE WHOLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, BECAUSE WE COULD PLAN FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE TO MAYBE COME UP WITH SOME CREATIVE ALTERNATIVES TO MANAGE THE VOLUME THAT IS COMING OFF 66. 
          UM, AND, AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, TO OUR CITIZENS, RIGHT? THEY CAN'T GET TO THE GROCERY AREA IN THE FOURTH DISTRICT. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE SKYLINE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH FORT VALLEY, WE HAVE TO DIVERT JUST 
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TO GET AROUND ALL OF THIS, YOU KNOW. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TWOFOLD IN MY OPINION, IN OUR NEW COMP PLAN, IT DOES HAVE A TOURISM CHAPTER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I'LL ADMIT IT IS SMALL. 
          UM, BUT WE BASED THOSE, UM, THE CORE TOPIC OFF OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT IN THAT INITIAL SURVEY, AND WE HAD ABOUT 300 RESPONSES. 
          UM, I DO RECALL SEEING TOURISM IN THERE, BUT IT WAS AT THE BOTTOM END OF THE, I MEAN, REDEVELOPMENT, WALKABILITY. 
          THOSE WERE THE, UH, LIGHT BUILDINGS. 
          THOSE WERE THE BIG, THOSE WERE THE WORDS THAT STOOD OUT. 
          AND SO IN OUR RESULTS, THEY GOT PUSHED TO THE TOP. 
          UM, BUT WE DID WANNA INCORPORATE THAT IN THERE. 
          AND IT'S MOSTLY VIDEO EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT CHAPTER. 
          WELL, WE HAVE, UM, AS YOU'VE HEARD, WE, WE ARE INUNDATED WITH, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR SHORT TERM TOURISM. 
          AND THEN I'M ALSO AWARE OF SOME AG AGRITOURISM PROJECTS THAT ARE IN PLACE CURRENTLY. 
          SO THE VOLUME OF VISITORS IS ONLY GONNA INCREASE AT THIS POINT. 
          AND THERE'S, YOU CAN LOOK OUT ON 55, THERE'S A WHOLE PROJECT THERE. 
          THERE'S ONE, ONE ON, THERE'S ONE IN YOUR DISTRICT. 
          THERE IS, THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER. 
          THERE'S ONE IN MY DISTRICT. 
          SO WE REAL, THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE CRITICAL NEEDS MIGHT BE. 
          AND IF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ADDRESS THAT. 
          I'M NOT A PLANNER MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THAT WAS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION. 
          IN THE PLANNING FORCE HAD 14 SHORT-TERM RENTAL APPLICATIONS THAT WE PROCESSED IN 2022. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT WAS IN THE TOWN? YEAH, THAT WAS IN THE TOWN. 
          I'M NOT TRYING, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE START UNTIL AFTER THE SECOND HALF OF THE YEAR? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          WE DIDN'T START, WE'RE ALMOST A DOZEN A MONTH. 
          WE STARTED THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          I'M GONNA MAKE THE SUGGESTION THAT NEXT YEAR WHAT WE DO IS WE DO A, A BOOT CAMPAIGN WITH THE FARM RESCUE DURING THAT TIME. 
          AND THEN WE, WE ALSO THROW UP ALL COUPONS TO FOLKS HERE, RESTAURANTS DOWN HERE IN THE ACCOUNT IN TOWN. 
          AND THEN, UH, THEY CAN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DONATE A LITTLE BIT THERE, BRING IN, BRING THEIR MONEY HERE, AND THEN, UH, THEY CAN GO BACK AND SEE IF THE TRAFFIC SIDE NOW. 
          SO THANKS MAN. 
          I'LL SEE YOU OUT THERE WITH A BOOTS, SON. 
          SO, SIDE NOTE, I JUST WANTED, IT'S NOT THIS TOPIC, BUT SOMEBODY SAID IT, AND THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD PLACE FOR AT LEAST ME TO PITCH THE IDEA AND JUST, JUST PUT IT ON THE BACK BURNER AND THINK, BUT I HAVE OFTEN THOUGHT THAT THE TOWN AND COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU, THEY GOT TOGETHER TO LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN, BUT I, I I, I'VE OFTEN THOUGHT THAT THEY SHOULD PROBABLY GET TOGETHER MORE, MORE OFTEN, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN DEVELOPMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE COMING IN. 
          BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT WE, ANYTHING THAT WE ARE SAYING YES TO, LET'S BE HONEST, IT DIRECTLY IMPACTS YOUR ALL'S SERVICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO JUST SINCE YOU TWO ARE KIND OF IN CHARGE OF THE, UH, DID YOU THINK THAT'S A BAD IDEA? I THINK YOU JUST CREATE A JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          WAIT. 
          THEY ONLY HAVE ONE AND THEY SEND ONE THING TO THE COUNTY AND THE NEXT TO THE TOWN AND VICE VERSA. 
          WELL, I JUST THREW IT OUT THERE. 
          I DON'T, I I JUST THREW IT OUT THERE. 
          I'M JUST SAYING IT'S SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT. 
          BUT I DO THINK THAT, UM, NOT GIVING ANYBODY MORE WORK, I JUST THOUGHT SOMETIMES ONE HAND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER HAND'S DOING, BUT, BUT IT, IT IS IMPACTED. 
          SO TRY TO KEEP EACH OTHER'S OFFICE INFORMED. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          BUT IT'S THE PEOPLE TOO. 
          WELL, I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK IN NOVEMBER. 
          THAT WAS, THAT WAS A GOOD MEETING. 
          AND EVERYBODY THERE AGREED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WALKED OUT THERE, WE SHOULD DO THIS MORE OFTEN. 
          SEE, SO MAYBE THE THOUGHT MIGHT BE AS WE DO A BIANNUAL, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT SCHEDULED INTO OUR ANNUAL MEETINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE BUSY WITH THE CIP P SO WE HAVE WORK SESSIONS WITH OUR PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD SOME WORK SESSIONS WE'RE THE COMP PLAN THIS PAST YEAR, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE WHERE, IF THE TOWN PLANNING COMMISSION WANTED TO MEET, YOU KNOW, FOR AN HOUR PRIOR TO ONE OF OUR MEETINGS, WE COULD DO THAT A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR AND MAYBE JUST TRADE OFF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE DO ONE OVER HERE AND THEN DO ONE IN THE COUNTY. 
          UM, AND I CAN RE YOU KNOW, TALK TO OUR, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIRMAN AND ONE THE COMMISSION ABOUT THAT. 
          AND IF THEY'RE AMENABLE TO IT, WE'LL GET SOME SCHEDULE. 
          WE'LL SCHEDULE. 
          I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          BUT A COUPLE, A COUPLE TIMES YOU HERE PROBABLY WOULD BE BETTER. 
          DO YOU BOTH BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL? I MEAN, I'M NOT ONE PERSON TO HAVE A MEETING, TO HAVE A MEETING. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU THINK HAVING I DISCUSSING THAT, THAT TRANSPORTATION PLAN, I THINK THAT WAS, THAT WAS HELPFUL. 
          IS THERE A ROSE THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WERE PLANNED? YEAH, IF YOU FEEL THAT IT, YOU KNOW, IT WILL HELP MOVE. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD SAY IF IT'S NOT A SPECIAL ME, LIKE, WELL, LIKE JUST IF WE DO TWO MEETINGS, THEN IT COULD BE LIKE ONE, A SPECIAL MEETING FOR ONE GROUP 
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MM-HMM. 
           BECAUSE THE OTHER PLANNING COMMISSION'S MEETING THAT NIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN VICE VERSA, YOU KNOW, SO IF WE MET WITH THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION ONE AT NIGHT, THEY WERE MEETING ONCE A YEAR, YOU KNOW, AND THEN OUR CLINIC, THEY CAN MEET WITH US ONE A NIGHT ONCE A YEAR WHILE WE ARE MEETING. 
          THAT'S A COUPLE TIMES. 
          AND THEN THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT AT LEAST KEEPS THOSE LINES OF COMMUNICATION OPEN. 
          AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO MEET OFTEN. 
          I MEAN, ONCE, TWICE A YEAR. 
          YEAH. 
          I WASN'T, I WASN'T SUGGESTING ANOTHER MONTHLY MEETING AT ALL. 
          BELIEVE ME, I'M, THIS IS MY THIRD MEETING THIS WEEK, SO I'M TOTALLY NOT SAYING ANYBODY, YOUR POOR CHILD'S BACK THERE ASLEEP, I THINK WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE. 
          I'M, I'M LIKE, I'M NOT SUGGESTING MORE. 
          I JUST, IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS, THIS PAST JOINT MEETING. 
          PRODUCTIVE MEETING. 
          VERY, MY IDEA CUTS THE NUMBER OF PLANNING COMMISSIONS IN HALF. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT IS LEGAL IN VIRGINIA. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ALL, BUT THANK YOU BOTH. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENT? THINGS I WILL SAY FROM WORKING THE BOOT, UM, DRIVE, UM, AND I UPPED MIAMI THIS TIME. 
          I GOT SUCKERS AND DOG BONES BECAUSE, BECAUSE, UM, THERE'S KIDS AND DOGS IN ALMOST EVERY CAR. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK THE, THE, THE TOWNS, THE WAY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE TOWN WORKED TOGETHER TO KEEP PEOPLE IN LANES AND, YOU KNOW, IT KEPT THINGS MOVING A LOT SMOOTHER THAN WHAT, I MEAN, I'VE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE AND MY GRANDMOTHER LIVED OUT IN THE SUBDIVISION THAT YOU LIVED IN, AND SHE WORKED AT APTEX AND SHE WOULD LEAVE THREE HOURS EARLY BECAUSE SHE WOULD SIT THERE WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO LET HER IN THE LINE. 
          OH YEAH. 
          AND THEN FROM THE TIME SHE GOT IN THE LINE JUST TO GET ACROSS TOWN, SHE WOULD LEAVE THREE HOURS EARLY TO BE ON TOWN. 
          SO GET NOW ON 50, GETTING OUT ON 55 IS, IS INTEREST. 
          WE TRY TO STAY HOME DURING THE FALL WEEKEND OR WE GOT A NEW PROBLEM. 
          IT'S, ITS BEEN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SHE RETIRED IN THE EIGHTIES AND WORKED THERE FOR 40 YEARS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW THAT, BUT I'M NOT COMPLAINING. 
          BUT I, I JUST WANNA SAY, I WANNA SAY, I'M NOT COMPLAINING IF I SOUNDED SARCASTIC BECAUSE I OFTEN, WHEN PEOPLE DO COMPLAIN, I TRY TO THINK, DO THEY REALIZE HOW MUCH MONEY, MUCH MONEY IT'S BRINGING IN? SO WE, I'M NOT COMPLAINING HOW MUCH BETTER IS THANK YOU FOR WHY WAS GONNA MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I FALL IS FABULOUS HERE AND WE HOST OUR FESTIVALS AND LIZZIE DID, AND, AND THE TOWN DID A FABULOUS JOB WITH THE FESTIVAL OF LEAVES. 
          AND SO I DON'T WANT OUR PEOPLE TO HAVE TO STAY HOME. 
          I WANT 'EM TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT AND ENJOY THIS BEAUTIFUL AREA IN THE FALL. 
          SO THE, THE TRANSPORTATION IS, IS JUST AN ISSUE AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT. 
          AND I THINK THAT WE'VE SAID, OH, WELL, WE'LL LOOK AT IT LATER. 
          WE'LL LOOK AT LATER . 
          AND I THINK IT'S TIME THAT IF WE'RE GONNA FOCUS, WE DO IT NOW AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THE VERY INCEPTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE TOWN, ONE OF THE MENTIONS WERE ROUNDABOUT VERSUS THE STOPLIGHT. 
          WOO. 
          UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE, UH, DRIVEN IN WARREN COUNTY MUCH, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE FROM HERE THREW A BIT ABOUT THAT , WE HAVE MATH AND IT PROPOSED I THINK EIGHT OF 'EM. 
          IT DID. 
          AND IT YEAH, BECAUSE YOU JUST KEEP GOING AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT AND GET THERE. 
          BUT YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T STAY HOME. 
          I LIKE TO GO UP THERE, PRETEND LIKE I'M ONE OF THEM AND WATCH 'EM. 
          I DIDN'T MEAN I STAYED ON MY WEEKEND. 
          I KNOW. 
          I MEANT I HAVE TO GET TO, I DRIVE AND WATCH 'EM. 
          I HAVE TO GET OFF MY STREET TO 55 AND EVERY, YOU WILL FIND A NICE PERSON EVERY NOW AND THEN THEY'LL LET YOU IN. 
          , . 
          BUT I JUST GO, I GO AS FAR IT'S A LOCAL. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SPEAKING OF, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. 
          NUMBER SIX. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WHICH HAPPENS TO BE A HOT TOPIC RIGHT NOW, UH, IN, IN, UH, IN ALL CIRCLES IT APPEARS, IF YOU WATCHED LAST NIGHT'S MEETING, I'M SURE YOU DID. 
          UM, SO THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE ACCESS TO SHENDO SHORES ROAD IN MARY SHED LANE. 
          NOW, THAT WAS ACTUALLY, THAT CAME UP AT THE LAST LIAISON MEETING. 
          UM, JUST TALK. 
          I, I, I REMEMBER IT WAS THE TOPIC. 
          UM, BUT SO, AND LAST NIGHT AT THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, ACTUALLY A FEW PEOPLE STOOD UP AND GAVE SOME HISTORY. 
          AND I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY TOTALLY UNDERST I MEAN, SHEO SHORES AS A KID, I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER ANYBODY STAYING. 
          THEY WERE FROM SHEO SHORES, YOU KNOW, GROWING UP. 
          BUT, UM, BUT THEN AGAIN TOO, THERE WERE ONLY A COUPLE HOUSES ON THE MOUNTAIN THEN TOO. 
          AND THEY ALL RODE MY BUS. 
          UM, AND NOW THE MOUNTAIN IS SO, UH, BUT SO WE, WE, THERE'S NO WAY THE TOWN COULD AFFORD THAT CONNECTOR ROAD ON ITS OWN. 
          AND I KNOW PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT LAST NIGHT, THE MEETING, AND I JUST, I KNOW YOU, 
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YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE A MONEY TREE OVER ON COMMERCE AVENUE, NOR DO WE OUTBACK. 
          SO, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT WE, WE DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT . 
          I LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS PUT OUT ON THE TABLE IN IN IN ONE CAN CHIME IN. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS, THIS IS KIND OF IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE IN MY POSITION I ALWAYS LOOK AT A, UM, A CHALLENGE FOR THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN AS A HEALTH AND SAFETY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THIS IS, IN MY OPINION, A HEALTH AND SAFETY, UM, CHALLENGE FOR OUR COMMUNITY OUT THERE. 
          AND NOW WE'RE GETTING A MINIMUM WITH THE COMMUNITY UNDER SEEING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS AS A GOVERN A GOVERNING BODY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND I WAS AT THE MEETING LAST NIGHT AND I SAW IT ALL. 
          I I WATCHED IT. 
          I, BUT I I SAW YOU THERE, . 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEY BROUGHT REALLY GOOD POINTS OUT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THIS HAPPENED IN 1978 AND MM-HMM. 
          , BLAH, BLAH BLAH. 
          AND, AND I DO HAVE EMPATHY FOR THE DEVELOPERS COMING IN, THE PEOPLE WHO WANNA DEVELOP THEIR LAND OUT THERE. 
          BUT THAT, BUT THEN AGAIN, ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT EVEN THE NEW PEOPLE COMING IN FOR THEIR HEALTH AND SAFETY. 
          SO ANYWAY, SO I'VE BEEN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TALKING OFFLINE WITH DOLORES ABOUT MAYBE WE SHOULD, UM, COME, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO COME TOGETHER AND KIND OF LOOK AT THAT AREA AND BRAINSTORM AND BRING OUR FIRE AND RESCUE INVOLVED WITH IT. 
          YOU KNOW, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY OR YOU KNOW, WHOEVER, IT'S THE RIGHT FOLKS TO KIND OF LOOK AND ANALYZE AND COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF A SOLUTION THAT WE ALL COULD, UH, AGREE ON. 
          AND THEN MAYBE TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL, THE STATE LEVEL AND SAY, HEY, WE HAVE THIS ISSUE, WE HAVE THIS PLAN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, UH, WITH ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT TO REACH OUT TO BDOT AND FIND OUT WHETHER, WHETHER STATE AGENCIES WE CAN PARTNER WITH, YEAH. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A MONEY TREE, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA KNOW UNTIL WE START TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          THAT I, TO ME THIS IS VERY, I I I DON'T, IT IS A IMMEDIATE THING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S HOLDING UP, UM, GROWTH. 
          I MEAN, LIKE THEY WERE SAYING LAST NIGHT, YOU KNOW, GROWTH IS GONNA HAPPEN. 
          WE HAVE TO BE SMART ABOUT OUR GROWTH AND HOW FAST WE WANNA, UM, I, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO AS A A LOT, AND I HEARD IT TOO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TOWN OF COUNTY AND I AGREE IT IS A TOWN OF COUNTY THING THAT WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER. 
          SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. 
          ANYBODY ELSE COULD REVISIT HIM IN REVISITING MY OCTOBER 20TH NOTES FROM WHEN WE HAD OUR LAST TOWN COUNTY, WHEN IT'S ON ME MEETING, I HAD A LOT OF NOTES ABOUT THIS CUZ IF WE DISCUSSED IT AS NUMBER SEVEN ON THAT AGENDA, UM, WE HAD HEARD FROM SOMEBODY IN THE ROOM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS FROM THE COUNTY OR THE TOWN, THAT THEY WOULD GET THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD UPDATE. 
          UM, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD ACTUALLY THAT DID, THAT WAS ME. 
          SOMEONE SHOW. 
          YEAH, I ATTENDED. 
          SO WHEN I WENT TO THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD AND SPOKE ON BEHALF OF THE RAIL TRAIL AND AT THAT POINT I, I HAD TO STAY THERE AND LISTEN TO ALL THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PLANS FOR FUTURE ROADS THERE. 
          SO WE TALKED, WE HAVE TWO REPRESENTATIVES, BOTH OF THEM ARE FROM WINCHESTER ON THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD. 
          THAT BOARD IS TASKED WITH DECIDING THE PRIORITIES OF PROJECTS IN THE WHOLE STATE OF VIRGINIA. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, AND SHEP MILLER IS THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION AND HE HAPPENED TO BE THERE. 
          SO THE SECOND TIME THAT I ENCOUNTERED THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD WAS WITH CHAIRMAN CALLERS AT THE TIME. 
          AND SHE AND I WENT TO THE ABECO CONFERENCE AND WE ATTENDED A TRANSPORTATION PRESENTATION THERE AND THEY WERE THERE TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          SO I WENT UP AND SAID WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS RAILROAD CROSSING ISSUE THAT WE HAVE IN SHEN SHORES. 
          AND THEY WERE OPEN TO TALKING TO US, BUT AT THIS POINT WE HAVE NO, I MEAN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO. 
          . 
          SO ANOTHER THING FROM MY NOTES FROM THE OCTOBER 20TH LIAISON MEETING WHERE WE DISCUSSED THIS WAS THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION MENTIONED IN THEIR ARCHIVES, THEY HAD A ROUTE 6 0 6 STUDY THAT THEY WOULD PRESENT TO US. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, THING I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW THESE STUDIES. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY, COOL. 
          I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL I WAS GONNA, UM, ALSO THESE WOULD JUST BE HELPFUL. 
          YEAH. 
          ALSO SOMETHING I THINK THAT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE, UM, IS IN 2004, THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TOWN COUNTY, WE HAD A LOT OF PARTICIPATION. 
          YOU WERE THERE. 
          I WAS THERE. 
          I THINK WE MIGHT BE THE ONLY TWO THAT WERE THERE IN THE ROOM, BUT , UM, WE'RE SENIOR HERE. 
          WE A SENIOR . 
          UM, BUT WE HAD, 
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UM, WE DID A HAPPY CREEK CHARETTE. 
          SO WE DID LIKE A MULTIPLE DAY, JUST A CHARETTE WHERE EVERYBODY CAME TOGETHER. 
          WE DID VISIONING FOR THE ENTIRE HAPPY CREEK AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AGAIN. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU ALL HAD THAT FINAL REPORT SO YOU CAN SEE IT. 
          BECAUSE THAT REALLY LIKE KICKED OFF THE PLANNING FOR THAT WHOLE AREA. 
          UM, TRANSPORTATION WISE, LAND USE WISE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S KIND OF JUST WHAT WE'VE BEEN BUILDING OFF OF. 
          IS THAT THE ROUTE 6 0 6 STUDY THAT I MENTIONED? I MEAN THAT THE INTERCHANGE AREA, I MEAN THAT WAS PART OF IT. 
          TRANSPORTATION. 
          I DON'T A ROUTE 6 0 6. 
          HE SAID HE YEAH, HE SAID IT, BUT I MEAN IT WAS, THAT WAS PART OF THE CHARETTE. 
          BUT I MEAN THIS WAS, THIS WAS THAT WHOLE AREA AND, AND TRANSPORTATION WAS A SEGMENT OF IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE THAT REPORT. 
          I THINK YOU'D FIND IT INTERESTING. 
          MM-HMM. 
           JUST THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AT THAT TIME. 
          AND IT WAS A HUGE COMMUNITY EFFORT. 
          I HAD HEARD IT JUST A FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT. 
          SO THAT WAS LIKE A BIG THING I HAD SEEN. 
          I MEAN IT WAS REALLY AMAZING. 
          CAN YOU EMAIL THAT? SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, THAT WOULD BE FABULOUS. 
          PERFECT. 
          I THINK YOU, I THINK YOU REALLY FIND INTEREST. 
          THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN WHEREVER YOU, MAYBE THAT'S OUR STARTING YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST, I MEAN THE ONE THING I, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE STUDIES, AND THIS IS JUST LAST NIGHT, YOU KNOW, THERE WE HAD STUDIES GOING BACK TO 1978, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE LIKE 25, 30 YEARS OLD. 
          AND SINCE THEN, THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS OCCURRED OUT THERE THAT I THINK THAT WE'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, REVISIT AND MODIFIED AS COMPANY FIVE GAVE US AN UPDATE ON OCTOBER 20TH. 
          TWO TO THE NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY, THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WORK IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK. 
          AND THEY GAVE US THE NUMBER OF CHRIST COLLEGE STUDENTS. 
          SO WE DID GET UPDATED NUMBERS. 
          I HAVE ALL THOSE JOTTED DOWN. 
          I CAN EMAIL OUT TO ALL OF YOU. 
          THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE 'EM. 
          COMPANY FIVE PROVIDED ALL THAT TO US OCTOBER 20TH. 
          AND THAT THEY ACTUALLY QUOTED NUMBERS LAST TOO. 
          RIGHT. 
          NUMBERS TOO. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY GOOD DATA. 
          SO ANY EVENT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S I THINK MAYBE A PLACE TO START. 
          WE CAN HAVE A PLACE TO START. 
          YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHIME IN JUST TO COMMENT? YOU BOTH TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AND THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT FISCAL RESPONSIBILITIES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          LET'S, LET'S NOT FORGET ABOUT THE WINNERS, THE DEVELOPERS. 
          WELL THAT WAS, INSTEAD OF LETTING THEM TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN, THEY NEED NUMBER ONE TO DONATE THE LAND FOR THIS. 
          WHICH I THOUGHT THERE WAS, THERE WAS, THERE'S PLANS FOR AROSE. 
          WE COULD LET, DID ED FINISH SPEAKING? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          AND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THEN, LAUREN WAS GONNA COME TO ABOUT THE, THE, THE OLD PLAN PUT IT ALL ON ONE DEVELOPER. 
          MM. 
          AND THE OTHER, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT THE TOWN IS LOOKING AT PROPOSES JUST TO DUMP ALL THE TRAFFIC ON THIS OTHER DEVELOPER. 
          WHEN THAT ROAD IS BUILT, IF YOU PUT THE ROAD OR THE RIGHT OF WAY BETWEEN THE 2 50 50, THEN YOU OPEN IT UP AND EVERYBODY CONTRIBUTES ON THE SAME BASIS. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE HEAR FROM MORE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT WAS A RIGHT OF WAY. 
          WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT A RIGHT OF WAY WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT WHEN I SAT IN WITH THAT DEVELOPER. 
          SO THIS NEW SET OF PROPERS WILL BE REVIEWING THESE UM, AT YOUR NEXT WORK SESSION. 
          THEY DID PROFFER FIVE AND A HALF ACRES. 
          THEY WOULD DEDICATE THAT TO THE TOWN. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE ABOUT 80% OF THE SECTION OR THE PROPERTY WE NEED FOR THAT FLYOVER. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR THE FLYOVER. 
          YEAH. 
          WHICH, IF YOU WANT TO GO PARALLEL TO HAPPY CREEK, CUZ THE FLYOVER THAT'S THIS FLYOVER UP HERE, YOU KNOW, IS GOING TO BE 30 MILLION BEFORE IT'S DONE. 
          YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THAT FLYOVER WILL BE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT ACTUALLY CAME UP IN THE TOWN AS I RECALL. 
          I THINK THAT, CUZ I WATCHED THAT TOO, THE TEMP PLANNING COMMISSION WORK SESSION. 
          THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT QUOTING THAT AND THEY WERE SAYING THAT THIS WOULD BE WAY MORE, WAY MORE, WAY MORE. 
          YEAH. 
          WOULD WOULD BE WAY MORES WOULD COST ABOUT DOUBLE ACTUALLY THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING NVR IS ON THAT STATE TRANSPORTATION BOARD AND HE WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE FLYOVER THE ROCK AND HE DID SAY IT WOULD BE PROBABLY DOUBLE BECAUSE IT'S, WHEREAS THE ROAD COULD BE BUILT SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD TALKED ABOUT AN INTERCHANGE BECAUSE THAT I THINK IS WHAT EVERYBODY HAS. 
          AND IT'S ON THE COMP PLAN. 
          ISN'T THAT CORRECT TE IT'S BEEN ON THERE FOR A LONG TIME. 
          IT'S BEEN ON THERE FOR 40 YEARS. 
          BUT, BUT, BUT V I IN 2014 SAID IT WOULD BE 200 MILLION. 
          WELL AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS, OKAY, WELL OH 
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MY GOODNESS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE LOCAL, THAT'S AN ORCHARD FULL OF MONEY TREES NOT BECAUSE OF OUR, OUR NET OUR INTERNAL NETWORK ROOM NETWORK WASN'T SO, YOU KNOW, THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR ROAD, THE PARALLEL ROAD TO HAPPY CREEK IS KIND OF OUR PATH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I JUST WANTED 1 MILLION TO THE WATER PROJECT . 
          I JUST HAD A QUESTION. 
          I THINK, UM, MATT OR TARA OR JOE IN OUR UM, UH, REQUIREMENTS NOW OF DEVELOPERS WHEN THEY COME IN TO DO A SUBDIVISION, THEY HAVE TO DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE UP TO STATE MINIMUM SO THAT WE ARE NOT LEFT WITH THE DIRT ROAD THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF TO GET UP TO STATE MINIMUMS. CORRECT. 
          UM, FOR THE, FOR THE LARGER SUBDIVISIONS, YOU CAN DO, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE, A FAMILY LOT OR A COUPLE LOT TOWARD YOUR PRIVATE. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE COMING IN AND DOING A DEVELOPMENT LIKE BLUE RIDGE SHOWS, UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD THE ROADS UP TO STATE STANDARDS THAT CAN BE TAKEN IN THE STATE. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES THE TOWN ALSO HAVE THOSE KIND OF REQUIREMENTS? IF IT'S IN THE TOWN REQUIREMENTS LIKE THIS WOULD, WHAT WAS PROPOSED LAST NIGHT WOULD BE A MAJOR SUBDIVISION. 
          THEY HAVE TO MEET TOWN AND VIDOT STANDARDS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE ROADS. 
          SO EACH, THOSE ROADS IN THAT SUBDIVISION, WE CALL THOSE LOCAL ROADS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE I THINK 36 FEET OF PAVEMENT WIDTH. 
          AND THE RIGHT OF WAY ITSELF IS GONNA BE 55 FEET WIDE AND THAT'S TO ACCOMMODATE UP TO 2000 AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS PER DAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, AND SO THE, THE SIZE OF OUR ROAD, WE DETERMINED IT BASED ON THOSE TRIPS. 
          AND SO THAT TRANSPORTATION STUDY WOULD BE SUBMITTED THAT IT WAS LIKE 1391 WAS THE NUMBER OF TRIPS PER DAY, UM, THAT THAT SUBDIVISION GENERATES. 
          THAT KIND OF TELLS US WHEN WE GET TO THE SITE PLAN PROCESS WHAT SIZE AND WHAT TYPE OF ROAD THEY, SO, SO I HAVE TO ASK YOU WARREN, CUZ THIS IS JUST KIND OF THE ELEPHANT IN THE RIGHT, IN THE, ON THE HAPPY CREEK ROAD , BUT THERE'S A HAIRPIN TURN THERE AND, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 1,391 TRIPS A DAY ON A HAIRPIN TURN THAT HAS A HOSPITAL OFF OF IT. 
          SO WHAT IS THE TOWN'S, UH, BECAUSE THAT IS TOWN, WHAT IS THE TOWN'S TRANSPORTATION PLAN TO DEAL WITH THE HAIRPIN TERMINAL ON HAPPY CREEK ROAD OR THE, THE, CUZ IT'S, IT'S FINISHED UP TO THAT POINT I GUESS AND THEN NEXT PHASE OF OUR, UM, I'M BLANKING. 
          YEAH. 
          SMART SCALE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S IN, WE DO HAVE FUNDING. 
          IT'S PHASE TWO BUSINESS CURVE. 
          SO, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL DATES OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THAT PROCESS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING. 
          YEAH, I CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT. 
          YEAH, WE DISCUSSED HAPPY CREEK PHASE TWO IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR. 
          AN EARLY LIAISON MEETING. 
          I HAVE THE NOTES HERE TOO FOR THAT, BUT I KNEW THAT WAS PART OF OUR PHASE TWO. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THEY SUBMITTED, THEY WERE RIGHT ON THAT LINE OF WARRANTING A A, I THINK IT WAS A LEFT TURN LANE. 
          UM, SO, AND THAT WAS FOR A HUNDRED, THE PROPOSED 142 HOMES, THEY DROPPED IT DOWN TO 134, UH, LOTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          I THINK THAT IF SOME OF THE ELSE TRIED TO COME IN, I THINK THAT WOULD KICK IT OVER INTO REQUIRING THOSE MENT RIGHT AWAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS, AT THIS POINT, MAYBE THE ONLY SUBDIVISION THAT WE CAN DO THERE UNTIL WE DO OR GET SOME OF THESE PROJECTS STARTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, THERE WASN'T EVEN ANY UNTIL THE, UNTIL ONE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS LOOKED UP THE DATA, THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO INFORMATION PROVIDED ABOUT THE RAILROAD CROSSING, HOW MUCH THAT GOT USED. 
          THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THAT THING. 
          I I KNOW, I KNOW. 
          BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH, IT DOES. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE EQUATION THAT'S, THAT'S A HUGE PART OF THE EQUATION, RIGHT? I MEAN YOU CAN CROSS THE TRACKS WHEN NO TRAIN'S COMING. 
          THAT'S LAST TIME I CHECKED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO TWO, TWO TRAIN COMES ALONG. 
          WOO BOO. 
          GOTTA STOP, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          COMPANY HIM THE WHOLE ROAD. 
          RIGHT. 
          DRIVE OFF. 
          THAT WAS THE SIMPLEST QUESTION I THOUGHT WE SHOULD HAVE ASKED. 
          AND I DIDN'T. 
          THAT INFORMATION WAS BRAD THOUGH. 
          ONE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS LOOKED IT UP AND FOUND THAT THERE WERE NINE, NINE CROSSING NINE CROSSINGS THERE THROUGH A DAY. 
          A DAY THERE IS. 
          SO THAT WASN'T PROVIDED. 
          WE HAD TO LOOK THAT UP ON OUR OWN. 
          SO MY WE'RE THROWING IT OUT THERE. 
          MY QUESTION AND CONCERN IS GONNA GO BACK. 
          I KNOW WE NEED A LONG TERM SOLUTION. 
          UH, WE DISCUSSED THIS ON OCTOBER 20TH AND MY NOTES, I WROTE ALL OF THIS DOWN, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT THE SHORT TERM SOLUTION. 
          UH, COMPANY FIVE TOLD US THAT IT WENT FROM A 10 TO 12 MINUTE RESPONSE TIME TO A 20 TO 25 MINUTE RESPONSE TIME. 
          UH, WE DISCUSSED WITH DR. 
          DALEY EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD FROM I 66, UM, AND TALKING WITH OPTICUM AND SEEING ABOUT A SYSTEM TO WORK WITH BDOT FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS OFF OF 66 NEAR SHANDOO SHORES ROAD. 
          UM, JUST TO ALLOW EMERGENCY PERSONNEL TO USE. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S IT THOUGH. 
          THAT WAS JUST FOR EMERGENCY PERSONNEL. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I THINK THAT'S THE SHORT TERM SOLUTION. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT 
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WE'RE HA WE'VE HAD AND SEEING, UH, IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS IS THE SAFETY ASPECT, THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES PART OF THIS. 
          UH, SO I THINK WHILE WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS, I MADE A NOTE WHERE SOMEONE QUOTED AT THE OCTOBER 20TH MEETING, OUR CROSS CONNECTOR ROAD IS A LONG TERM SOLUTION THAT WON'T COME WITHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AND I'VE BEEN TOLD IN MY ENTIRE TIME ON COUNCIL, YOU DEVELOP IT, THEN THE ROAD WILL COME AND THAT'S, UH, SORRY, BACKWARDS. 
          SO I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE SHORT TERM IMMEDIATE FUTURE TO DISCUSS THIS ALTERNATE ACCESS ROAD FOR THE HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDPOINT OF THIS. 
          WELL THAT'S WHERE WE NEED ALL TO GET TOGETHER AS A TEAM TO FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST KICKING, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T WANNA USE THAT TERM. 
          I'M GONNA GO THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY, WE ALREADY TALKED, WE ALREADY, AS YOU POINTED OUT, WE HAD THIS ON OUR LAST AGENDA AND NOW IT'S HERE AGAIN. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO PULL TOGETHER TO, YOU KNOW, AFTER, UH, TERRENCE SAID ABOUT THE STUDY TO LOOK AT THAT STUDY, REVISE IT, REGROUP AND, AND THEN GO, YOU KNOW, COME BACK AND REPORT TO US WHAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH. 
          I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING IT. 
          MY NOTES SAY THAT AN ALTERNATE ACCESS TO SHANDO SHORES ROAD IN THE USE OF EMERGENCY PERSONNEL ONLY FALLS ON THE COUNTY'S PROPERTY. 
          AND THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE COUNTY FOLLOW UP ABOUT THE OPTICUM SYSTEM AND WORKING WITH VDOT TO DO THAT. 
          SO I MEAN, IF THE TOWN CAN HELP BE A LIAISON IN ANY WAY, JOE AND MYSELF I'M SURE WILL TAKE NOTES. 
          BUT HOW CAN WE HELP IN THAT PROCESS? CUZ MY NOTES FROM OCTOBER 20TH, JUST SAY, AND I'M NOT POINTING FINGERS, I'M JUST ASKING WHAT CAN WE DO TO MOVE THIS FORWARD FOR A SHORT TERM SOLUTION FOR THE HEALTH AND SAFETY. 
          WHAT WE CAN DO IS DECIDE AMONG OURSELVES, PLEASE TONIGHT, PLEASE TONIGHT, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS AS THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY? ALL RIGHT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE NOTES. 
          THERE WERE, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. 
          MY NOTES SAY IT'S COUNTY PROPERTY. 
          SO HOW CAN THE TOWN, DO YOU REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION? YOU WERE WELL AND I'LL BE GLAD TO BE THAT COMMITTEE CUZ I'VE VERY, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DDOT. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE YOUR CHIEF? SO I'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT. 
          MY NOTES, YOU HAD MADE A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE WEIGHT OF EQUIPMENT GOING THROUGH THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU AND DR. 
          DALEY HAD SPOKEN IN GREAT DEPTH ABOUT THAT AT OUR LAST MEETING. 
          SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, POINT SOMEONE HERE AT, ON THE TOWN TO GET WITH CHERYL TO START LOOKING AT THIS? SURE. 
          AM IT SOUNDS LIKE AMBER HAS A GREAT INTEREST IN THAT. 
          SO THAT'S, IF THAT'S OKAY, IF I, YOU KNOW, AND THEN COME BACK WITH US, COME BACK NEXT TIME WE MEET. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I DO THINK THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S THE SAME THING, BUT IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          LIKE YEAH. 
          SHORT TERM, HOW ARE WE GONNA, HOW ARE WE GONNA ADDRESS? AND EVEN LAST NIGHT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SOME OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, LIKE IT'S DEFINITELY AN ISSUE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT PART, THAT PART COULD BE SOMETHING YOU GUYS COULD LOOK AT, BUT I WOULD AGREE THAT THERE NEEDS, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT A LONG, LIKE A LONG TERM TOO, YOU KNOW, BUT A SHORT TERM AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND I COULD BE, YOU KNOW, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO COME WITH A SOLUTION. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN THE SOLUTION, WE HAVE TWO THINGS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME. 
          WE HAVE A SHORT-TERM SOLUTION AND THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A LONG-TERM SOLUTION. 
          AND THOSE TWO SOLUTIONS THAT WE COME UP WITH NEED TO INTEGRATE SO WE DON'T WASTE RESOURCES. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'VE GOTTA MATCH. 
          SO, SO IT'S, TO ME THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          VI I'M, I'M, I'M TRYING TO INTERRUPT, BUT THERE, THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A SHORT TERM SOLUTION. 
          EXACTLY. 
          THERE IS A LONG TERM SOLUTION. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE TOGETHER. 
          IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY, UM, SO WE'LL HAVE THANK KAREN, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. 
          THE CHIEF AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL, LIKE ON THE SIDE, SO MM-HMM. 
           AND I DON'T WANNA GIVE SPECIFICS OF THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE DISCUSSED YOU GUYS DOING THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, AND THAT IS MOVING FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT'S NOT, NOTHING HASN'T BEEN RIGHT. 
          I JUST KNEW THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT PARTICULAR PART. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE I DID KNOW THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          BUT THE BIG PART FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO LIVE DOWN HERE AT THE END OF THE ROAD WHO CAN'T GET OUT AND YOU HAVE A SUBDIVISION HERE AND YOU HAVE A SUBDIVISION HERE, AND INSTEAD OF SAYING THIS SUBDIVISION CAN JUST DUMP IT ALL OUT HERE, WHENEVER SOMEBODY ELSE BUILDS THE ROAD, IF THEY PUT HALF 50% OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE CAN START TO MAKE A TRAFFIC LANE AT LEAST THAT CAN START COMING OUT TO COME THROUGH HERE WITH A PARALLEL ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WILL GO AWAY VERY QUICKLY. 
          I MEAN THERE PERHAPS WE KEEP, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT A FLYOVER. 
          I MEAN, IT'S NOT, YEAH, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, JUST WE, THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO DO IT. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S PERHAPS SOMEBODY, IT'S NOT IN THIS ROOM WHERE SOMEBODY BRIEFING OR HAPPY CREEK'S NOT, YOU KNOW, AN ENGINEER OF SOME SORT THAT DOES 
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THAT SORT OF THING. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW I DID A LOT OF WORK WITH  IN THE PAST. 
          I'VE WORKED WITH THEIR ENGINEERS MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND UH, LIKE I SAID, I LITERALLY ON THE COMMITTEE, I, I CAN BE, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I DID, I TOOK A MICRO, I SET IN A MEETING WITH MORE, I YES YOU CAN JOIN NOW THAT'S NCH FOR CONDUIT UNDERNEATH THEIR TRACKS ON THE MICROSOFT PAINT AND GOT IT APPROVED BY THEIR, BY THEIR, UH, BY THEIR, BY THEIR ENGINEER. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S WAYS TO, TO GO ABOUT IT. 
          AND I THINK I SAID, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS FLYOVER THING, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOTTA BE OTHERS. 
          YOU NEED A CONVERSATION GOING. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE I SAID, SOMEBODY, JOSH, WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU BEING ASKED THAT TO THE COMMITTEE TOO, MR. WALTZ, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE YOU WENT OFF? I JUST WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THAT COMMITTEE AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          HEAD OR JUST, SORRY. 
          SORRY. 
          I JUST ASSUMED YOU WERE GONNA BE THERE . 
          I DID TOO. 
          DON'T ASSUME NOTHING. 
          SO, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY A CONVERSATION THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT ADDRESSED. 
          UM, NUMBER SEVEN IS FRONT WARREN COUNTY E D NEGOTIATIONS NEXT STEPS. 
          AND I KNOW THE LAST FEW TIMES THAT THAT HAS COME UP, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN THIS TRYING TO RECONCILE THE NUMBERS. 
          UM, AND I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL, UM, I SOME INFORM, JUST SHARE WITH YOU ALL, I, I SPOKE WITH MR. WILSON. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM IS FAMILIAR WITH, UM, BJ I KNOW, UH, UH, BJ ACTUALLY WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE TO, UH, RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING AIS UH, GOING ON. 
          BUT ANYWAY, SO, AND, AND AGAIN, MOST OF YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT THIS. 
          TWO OTHER MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD. 
          WE'VE DIRECTED BJ TO WORK WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AT THE COUNTY AND, AND WORK THROUGH SOME THINGS. 
          SO, AND HE HAS, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SOME TRANSITIONS AND SO THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, CHALLENGING TOO. 
          BUT ANYWAY, SO ONE THING THAT HE HAD SHARED WITH, UH, ME IS THAT, UH, A GENTLEMAN FROM VML VACO, VML VACO, THEY WORKED ON RECONCILING THE CONSTRUCTION EXPENSES FOR LE RUN PARKWAY AS IT RELATED TO THE TOWN, THE COUNTY, UH, THE WARREN COUNTY, E D A V DOT, AND THE V BOND. 
          AND THIS GENTLEMAN HAD A SPREADSHEET THAT WAS, UM, HIS WORDS WERE WITHIN REASON, UH, OF AMOUNTS OWED BY AND TO EACH OF THE ENTITIES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION EXPENSE OF LERE PARKWAY. 
          BUT, UM, BUT THE SPREADSHEET HASN'T BEEN SHARED WITH THE TOWN OF IT YET. 
          UH, THE CONSTRUCTION EXPENSE, LERE PARKWAY IS THE ONLY ITEM THAT THE, THAT GENTLEMAN WORKED WITH VJ ON. 
          UM, AND HE, IT WAS HIS UNDERSTANDING THAT HE WAS, THIS GENTLEMAN WAS MR. MONTO, I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA NEXT WORK ON THE COMBINED LOANS, BUT, UM, HE HASN'T HEARD ANYMORE FROM HIM. 
          UM, AT THIS POINT, THE, THE TOWN NEEDS STILL NEEDS SOME INFORMATION RELATED TO THE COMBINED LOANS AND THE REFINANCING, UM, RELATED TO THE STEVENS INDUSTRIAL PARK, THE HAPPY CREEK INDUSTRIAL, UH, TECHNOLOGY PARK, SUCCESS PROPERTIES, BALL DRIVE AND LERO PARKWAY PROP PROPERTIES. 
          UM, AND SO HE, YOU KNOW, THE SUGGESTION IS THAT THAT, UM, SOMEONE INVOLVED WITH THE FINANCIALS FROM, WITH WARREN COUNTY AND THE WC E D A MEET WITH BJ ON A REGULAR BASIS, EVEN IF IT'S BIWEEKLY OR WEEKLY, TO JUST COME UP WITH THESE FIGURES. 
          I KNOW WE KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS. 
          I I KNOW WE'VE BEEN BACK TO, AT LEAST IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN ON, BEEN, UH, ELECTED, UM, AND PEOPLE WORK ON THE NUMBERS AND THEN IT GETS STOPPED. 
          AM I, AM I DO. 
          WOULD YOU AGREE THAT IT, IT'S LIKE THEY, THEY START WORKING ON THE NUMBERS AND THEN IT, AND THEN, UM, THINGS CHANGE AND THEN WE COME BACK TO THE NUMBERS. 
          I'M, I'M, UM, I THINK WE IN ESSENCE, WE COM AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT BJ REPORTED UHHUH. 
          WE DO. 
          JOE DOES HAVE A SPREADSHEET THAT HE'S GOING TO GET TO, UH, BJ IS THAT FROM THIS GENTLEMAN? THAT IS THE MONTH. 
          SO WE'RE MAKE, SO OBVIOUSLY AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE'S BEEN JOE HAS, WE'LL MAKE SURE I WAS TALKING TO BJ YESTERDAY ABOUT OH GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          WELL, I I GOT THIS UPDATE A COUPLE DAYS BEFORE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S I GOOD. 
          TOTALLY FINE. 
          BUT YEAH, I WAS TALKING TO BJ ABOUT IT YESTERDAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND HE, BJ HE'S, WELL HE, YOU KNOW, I THINK HE'S BEEN VERY AMENABLE TO TRY TO WORK AND, AND GET THROUGH THESE NUMBERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, SO I KNOW HE'D BE GLAD TO. 
          I FEEL LIKE THAT'S, I I DON'T KNOW. 
          MY, MY TAKE IS THAT THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S HOLDING UP SOME OF IT YOU THINK MORE? WELL, IF I MAY MA'AM. 
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I THINK, UM, VJ HAS A LOT OF THINGS TO DO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND MR. MONARO IS RETIRED. 
          OKAY. 
          FRANKLY. 
          AND HE HAS OTHER PART-TIME CLIENTS AND HE WORKS AT HIS LEISURE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF HE WANTS TO GO SOMEPLACE, HE'S GONE AND HE'LL COME BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE USE HIM FOR OTHER PROJECTS. 
          WE ARE USING HIM, UH, TO FINISH UP OUR AUDIT. 
          AND THAT IS OUR PRIORITY RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          IS GETTING THIS AUDIT BUSINESS, THE AUDITOR QUIT COMING UP WITH NEW EXCUSES, UH, WHATEVER HE WANTS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE HE HAS IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE WILL GET BACK AGAIN WITH THIS, UH, THE, UH, ED D A ATTORNEY HAS STARTED TALKING TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY OKAY. 
          ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE. 
          AND THEN MR. BROWN IS TALKING INDIVIDUALLY TO VARIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. 
          THE COUNTY'S NOT INVOLVED IN ANY OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE ARE, AS STAFF, WE ARE WORKING WITH MR. MONTERO TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE NUMBERS, UH, THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT. 
          AND MR. WILSON HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL. 
          NUMEROUS TIMES WHERE WE'VE SAT DOWN AND THIS NUMBER, NO, THIS NUMBER GOES OVER HERE AND NOW THAT NUMBER'S RIGHT. 
          AND SO FORTH. 
          AND THEY ARE, THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH IT. 
          IT WAS, UH, IT TOOK, UH, ABOUT 10 YEARS TO CREATE THIS MESS. 
          SO IT TAKES A WHILE TO DIG IT OUT, QUITE FRANKLY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND REALLY UNCOVERS STUFF. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I, BUT I DO THINK IT'S MOVING FORWARD AND, OKAY. 
          BJ'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL AND I, AND I THINK THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS REALLY, AND I THINK THAT IT'S THE NUMBERS MM-HMM. 
          , ONCE WE CAN RECONCILE THE NUMBERS, I THINK WE COULD, I THINK THE TOWN AND, AND E D A CAN, CAN, CAN START TO FIGURE THOSE THINGS OUT ONCE WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT NUMBERS. 
          BECAUSE I DON'T, I I THINK IT WOULD BE, UH, I, I THINK IT, IT WOULDN'T BE WISE FOR ANYBODY TO BE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE SOMETHING WHERE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS QUITE ARE. 
          AND I'M JUST SAYING NOBODY, THE CITIZENS WOULDN'T WANT US TO DO THAT ON EITHER END. 
          SO COUNTY'S NOT DOING THE NEGOTIATING, MA'AM. 
          NO, I KNOW, I KNOW. 
          BELIEVE ME. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          I, AND I, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THERE. 
          AND SO NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY THE, THE SPREADSHEET NEVER GOT BACK . 
          THE SPREADSHEET WILL BUT IS NOW IT'S GONNA BE HIM. 
          GOOD. 
          WE'LL GET THAT TO BJ. 
          NO PROBLEM DOING THAT. 
          JOE, DID YOU WANNA OFFER SOMEONE THAT TIME? I JUST, I'LL SAY YEAH. 
          AND THEN ALSO WHAT OUR NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR, ALYSSA, WE'RE GONNA BE MEETING WITH BJ AS WELL TO GET HER UP TO SPEED. 
          AND I HAVE MET WITH BJ INDIVIDUALLY BEFOREHAND WHERE HE'S, HE'S BEEN GREAT. 
          I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU. 
          PROVIDING ME WITH SOME OF THE STUFF THAT HE HAS TO COMPARE WITH WHAT THE COUNTY HAS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THE, THE BEAUTY OF THIS IS THAT HE HAS A RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM. 
          I MEAN, THEY, THEY'VE ALREADY GOT A RELATIONSHIP, SO THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A, A MUTUAL RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER. 
          SO THIS MIGHT BE THE, THIS MIGHT BE, THIS MIGHT BE THE WIN-WIN WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR. 
          RIGHT. 
          EVERYBODY CAN MOVE FORWARD. 
          GOOD. 
          ANYBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM WANNA COMMENT ON ANY OF THIS? I DID HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, JOE, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT JOE WAL, SORRY, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT COUNSEL IS MEETING WITH THE WARREN COUNTY E D A TO DISCUSS NEGOTIATIONS. 
          NO, I DON'T. 
          WHAT I SAID MA'AM, WAS THAT MR. BROWN WAS MEETING WITH INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          THERE'S BEEN NO MEETING TO OUR KNOWLEDGE BETWEEN THE E D A AND THE TOWN COUNCIL AS A GROUP. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, BECAUSE THERE, BECAUSE HE'S DOING THIS ON HIS OWN. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT UNTIL THE NUMBERS ARE FLUSHED OUT, I MEAN, I KNOW, I KNOW YOU DON'T CONTROL ANYBODY, BUT I'M JUST GONNA BE REAL, REAL FRANK THAT PROBABLY EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE AND GET ALL THE INFORMATION, BUT, YOU KNOW. 
          AGREED. 
          YEP. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOVING ON. 
          UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE, ANYTHING ELSE? I'LL GO TO NUMBER EIGHT. 
          I THINK YOU COVERED IT. 
          SO THE WARREN COUNTY ANTI LITTER COUNCIL. 
          I'M ANXIOUS HERE ABOUT THE, I HAVE A LITTLE, I, I, I GOT TO GO MEET THE GOVERNOR'S WIFE IN HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE OUR KIK CLUB WON THE ANTI LITTER COUNCIL FOR THE, UH, FOR, UH, FOR THE COUNTY. 
          AND COOL. 
          I I'M, I'M IN ANXIOUS TO HEAR WHAT YOU GOTTA TALK SAY ABOUT THIS. 
          WELL, THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW SUCCESSFUL YES. 
          THE COUNCIL, WELL, THERE YOU GO. 
          YOU'RE STILL, UH, DOING GOOD STUFF HERE. 
          THE TOWN AND COUNTY. 
          UH, SO WE, WE, UH, WE WON, UH, WELL I SAY WON, BUT WE WERE AWARDED A, UH, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY LINEAR GRANT, UH, UH, FOR LIT PREVENTION AND RECYCLING PROGRAM. 
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AND THIS YEAR WE ALSO, UH, APPLIED FOR A NON-COMPETITIVE GRANT OR COMPETITIVE GRANT. 
          IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY A CAMPAIGN GRANT FOR EXTENDED POLYSTYRENE CAMPAIGN. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE WERE AWARDED THIS DECEMBER 29TH. 
          THAT TOOK 'EM FOREVER TO GET IT TO US, BUT WE GOT PROBABLY THE MOST AMOUNT WE'VE HAD IN THE NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          21,300. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT IS FOR BOTH TOWN AND COUNTY. 
          WE APPLY FOR THAT, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SO, YEAH, AND THE EPS GRANT WAS 2008 ON 59, SO FOR 10 24,000 1 59. 
          UM, THE ANTI MINAR COUNCIL IS KIND OF A COMPOSITE OF CITIZEN GROUPS AND I'LL INTRODUCE LISA TO US. 
          LISA JENKINS IS OUR, UH, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE ANTI COUNCIL. 
          AND UM, AND THEN THE TOWN AND COUNTY HAS REPRESENTATIVES THAT COME TO OUR MEETINGS. 
          SO, UM, WE'VE DISCUSSED, UH, SOME OF THE ALLOCATIONS AND EARMARKS FOR A NUMBER OF PROJECTS IN THE TOWN COUNTY, UH, PRIMARILY THAT HAVE BEEN USED, UH, FOR LOCAL PARK GREENWAYS AND TRAILS. 
          UM, THIS YEAR, WELL, I'LL JUST SAY THIS PAST YEAR WE CONTRIBUTED MONEY FOR BEAR PROOF TRASH CANS FOR WORKING FORWARD BOAT LANDING. 
          UM, AND A COUPLE OF THE PARKS THAT ARE OUT IN THE COUNTY, THEY'RE KIND OF EXPENSIVE. 
          AND SO, UM, ONE OF MY APPROACHES TOWARD THE ANTI LITTER COUNCIL IS WHATEVER WE CAN SPEND OUR MONEY FROM THE ANTI LITTER COUNCIL TO SAY TAX LOCAL TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND TOWN DOLLARS. 
          UM, WE'LL DO THAT. 
          WE'LL SPEND THE MONEY ON THAT AND, AND HELP EVERYBODY WANTS THAT. 
          SO, UM, THIS YEAR, AND THESE ARE SOME DISCUSSIONS WE HAD IN OUR MEETINGS IN THE PAST, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT CONTRIBUTING TO THE STORYBOOK TRAIL SIGNAGE FOR SAMUEL'S LIBRARY FOR THE EASTERN PARK TRAIL. 
          IF ANYBODY KNOWS OF ANY GOOD RECYCLING OR LITTER BOOKS THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE UTILIZED AND, UH, DISPLAYED ON THAT STORYBOOK TRAIL, WE'RE GONNA MAKE A DONATION OR HOWEVER THEY DO WITH THE SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY TO HAVE THAT BOOK, UH, DISPLAYED ON THE TRAIL. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S ONE THING. 
          UM, JOE, DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT IDEA? I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE CUZ HE LOST HIS . 
          BUT, UH, ANOTHER ONE IS A COMBO WATER, UH, BOTTLE FILLER AND DOG FOUNTAIN, UH, FOR EASTON PARK. 
          UH, JUSTIN PROCTOR'S OUR PRESIDENT THIS YEAR. 
          JUSTIN'S 19. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          EEC. 
          YEAH. 
          AEC GUY. 
          RIGHT. 
          HE'S AMAZING. 
          AND JUSTIN SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING WE COULD REALLY USE OVER THERE AND, UH, AGAIN, AIN'T CHEAP. 
          UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS WE'VE FUNDED SOME OF THE OFFICE, UH, WATER BOTTLE FILLER UNITS HERE IN BOTH IN YOUR TOWN HALL AND THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT CENTER AND A COUPLE OF THE OTHER PARTS OF REC BUILDINGS AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO THIS ONE WOULD BE FOR AN OUTDOOR ONE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW YOUR DOGS TO GET WATER AND YOU TO FILL UP. 
          NICE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE, UH, AND HOPING THAT KEEP SOME OF THAT WASTE, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER WATER BOTTLES OUT OF THE WASTE STREAM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS HAVE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME HIGHER QUALITY WATER BOTTLES WITH OUR LOGO ON IT AND FEED THEM WHETHER WE SELL 'EM OR HOUR, WE DECIDE TO DO THAT, UM, AT SOME OF THE LOCAL EVENTS, UM, REPLACEMENT OF NEW, UH, AND NEW INSTALLATION OF SOME OF THE DOG WASTES FOR SEPAL UNITS IN PARKS AND BOAT LANDINGS. 
          UM, WE'VE CONTRIBUTED IN THE PAST UNIT TO PARKS AND RACK, UH, FOR THOSE. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AS THEY KIND OF WEAR OUT OR WHATEVER THEY NEED REPLACED, WE HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE THAT MONEY TO THE PARKS AND REC AND COMPARTMENT TO REPLACE THOSE, UH, A BEAR PROOF TRASHCAN AT THE RENOVATED BEVILLE LOW WATER BRIDGE BRICK LANDING. 
          SO ONCE THAT GETS KIND OF CHECKED OFF AND EVERYTHING, UM, I IMAGINE YOU MIGHT HAVE A BEAR OR TWO COME DOWN AROUND THAT WAY EVERY NOW AND AGAIN. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA CONTRIBUTE, UH, ONE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID AT MORGAN FOR. 
          SO, UM, REPLACEMENT OF LOCAL TRASHCANS FOR LOCAL PARKS AS NEEDED, INCLUDING SPECIAL TRASH CAN LIDS FOR ALL TRASH CANS. 
          THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT PARKS AND REC FOUND THAT THEY WERE HAVING ISSUES WITH AT SOME OF THE TRASH CANS. 
          UH, THEY WERE FILLING UP WITH WATER AND THAT KIND OF, AND, AND THEY JUST WERE, THE LIDS WERE UNSUITABLE. 
          SO THEY, THEY HAVE, UH, A LID THAT AMENDS THAT. 
          AND SO WE'VE BEEN HELPING THEM FUND THEM AND REPLACE THEM. 
          QUITE A FEW OF 'EM ACTUALLY THROUGHOUT THE PART. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, ANOTHER THING THAT CAME UP RECENTLY, AND THIS IS PART OF JUSTIN'S, UH, EAC, SOME OF THEIR PROJECTS IS FUNDING FOR FENCING AND SCREENING FOR THE ROYAL CHANDO GREENWAY TRAIL, ALONG THE SECTION BY RURAL OAK AND, AND, UH, PLAZA AND, AND RURAL KING. 
          APPARENTLY WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IS A LOT OF THEIR TRASH FROM, UH, ROYAL KING AND THE, AND THE SHOPPING CENTER HAVE BEEN BLOWING INTO, UH, THE, THE PARK THERE, THE, THE LINEAR PARK, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY 
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IT'S GETTING INTO HAPPY CREEK. 
          SO, UM, ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH IS YOU'RE GONNA PUT UP SOME FENCING, JUST SOME, BASICALLY WE'RE A METAL FENCING, BUT THE, THE, UH, WE WILL ALSO HAVE SOME WIRE MESH THERE TO KEEP, KEEP THAT TRASH FROM BLOWING ANY FURTHER. 
          AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN, UH, CONTRIBUTE SOME TOWARD THAT PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ONE THING WE CAN'T USE OUR MONEY FOR IS LANDSCAPING. 
          SO THERE WE CAN'T DO THAT OR ADVERTISING. 
          UM, UH, ONE OF THE LONG, UH, ONGOING PROJECTS OR, OR ONGOING PROGRAMS WE HAVE IS OUR CARGO NET DISTRIBUTION PROGRAM FOR RESIDENTS TO COVER THEIR PICKUP TRUCK AND, UH, TRAILERS. 
          UH, WE ORDER A CERTAIN AMOUNT EVERY RENT CYCLE OR EVERY OTHER GRANT CYCLE, AND WE, UH, DISTRIBUTE THEM FREE OF CHARGE TO RESIDENTS IN THE COUNTY. 
          AND IF THE TOWN THEY NEED, IF, IF YOU NEED ONE IN THE TOWN, WE'LL GIVE ONE TO YOU. 
          WE LIMIT 'EM THE TWO PER HOUSEHOLD. 
          UH, AND THAT'S FOR, UH, YEAH. 
          A LOT OF TIMES IT'S KEEPING THAT TRASH, IT'S A MITIGATION FACTOR. 
          IT'S KEEPING THE TRASH OFF THE ROADS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, SO WE, WE, THEY COULD JUST COME INTO OUR OFFICE AND GET THEM, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GONNA ORDER SOME MORE THIS YEAR AND HAVE 'EM AVAILABLE AT THE TRANSFER STATION AND HOPEFULLY AT SOME OF THE CONVENIENT SITES. 
          SO, UM, WE FOUND THAT TO BE A PRETTY GOOD PROMOTION OR GOODWILL. 
          MM-HMM. 
           USUALLY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T GET SOMETHING BACK, SO THEY'RE HAPPY TO GET THAT DOOR. 
          UM, WATER BOTTLE. 
          I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR WATER BOTTLE, UM, UH, PROGRAM. 
          WE'RE ALSO GONNA DO SOME BACKPACK PROGRAM, WATER BOTTLE, AND BACKPACK PROGRAM FOR STUDENTS. 
          UH, KIDS ARE INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE, UH, ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLUB AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          AND EVEN SOME OF THE YOUNGER KIDS WILL, UH, WILL DO THAT. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET MAYBE TO GET OUR LOGO PUT ON THAT. 
          UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT A NEW LOGO DESIGN FOR THE FRONT WORLD OR ANTI LITTER COUNCIL LOGO. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD OUR CURRENT ONE FOR, OH, MAYBE 10 YEARS NOW, 10, 12 YEARS NOW. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT KIND OF REFRESHING THAT. 
          WE HAVE A LOCAL GRAPHIC DESIGNER. 
          HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GIVE US A GOOD, EASY PLACE ON AN UPDATE IN THAT. 
          SO, UH, WE'LL LOOK TO DO THAT. 
          UM, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EPS CAMPAIGN PROGRAM. 
          UH, THAT, THAT'S TO PROMOTE RECYCLING OF EPS, PHONE PACKAGING AND SUBSTITUTION OF MORE SUITABLE MATERIALS FOR PACKAGES THAT, AND MAILING AND THE PURCHASE OF RECYCLING CONTAINERS FOR EPS RECYCLING. 
          SO WE WILL WORK WITH SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT, JAMIE LENS, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY PROVIDE HIM JUST WHATEVER FUNDING HE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          AND, UH, PROMOTE THAT IN ANY WAY WE CAN THROUGH RECOUNTING WEBSITE, THROUGH, UH, PARK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THROUGH SOME SIGNAGE, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          UM, WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, $2,859 TOWARD THAT CAMPAIGN. 
          SO WE WILL, WE'LL WORK WITH JAMIE ON THAT. 
          UM, LISA, I'LL, I'LL BRING LISA UP HERE. 
          AND LISA KIND OF BROUGHT UP A, A, THESE NEXT THREE LITTLE, UH, ITEMS, UM, THE PILOT PROGRAM FOR BATTERY RECYCLE. 
          YOU WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WE WERE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS TO PROMOTE BATTERY RECYCLING. 
          THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF THAT GOING ON. 
          AND, UM, WE FOUND, UH, SOMETHING CALLED THE GREEN BOX, UM, WHERE WE CAN BUY GREEN BOXES AND THEY ARE MADE OF CARDBOARDS, SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE GREAT FOR BEING OUTSIDE. 
          SO WE THOUGHT WE'D HAVE SOME OF THEM IN SOME OF THE SMALL BUSINESSES LIKE THE, UM, ROYAL O COMPUTING, UM, UM, RETAIL OUTLET, UH, ON MAIN STREET, MAYBE THOSE, UM, AND THEN MAYBE USE A BUCKET DOWN AT THE, UM, TRANSFER STATION SO THAT, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT CAN WITHSTAND THE, THE RAIN AND ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN WE WOULD DUMP THAT INTO THE GREEN BUCKET IN THE GREEN BOXES. 
          THE BOXES ARE PART OF THE PROGRAM AND, AND, UM, YOU MAIL THEM BACK TO THE PLACE THAT DOES THE RECYCLING OF THE BATTERIES AND THEN START ALL OVER AGAIN. 
          . 
          SO WE'LL GIVE IT A SH GIVE THAT A SHOT. 
          IT'S A, IT'S KIND OF A PILOT PROGRAM. 
          WE'LL SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT. 
          I GET AT THE STATION 13. 
          I'LL JUST BRIEF BRIEFLY TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ANNUAL WARS PROGRAM FOR OUR COMMUNITY GROUPS AND SCHOOL, UH, SCHOOLS. 
          UM, EVERY YEAR WE SET ASIDE MONEY FOR, UH, AWARDING FOR SECOND, THIRD, AND HONORABLE MENTIONS TO COMMUNITY GROUPS AND SCHOOLS WHO DO PROJECTS RELATING TO LITTER GRANT, UH, LITTER CONTROL, RECYCLING, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          A LOT OF 'EM, MS. ROAD PICKUP STUFF. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE KIWANIS AND ISAAC WALTON LEE, UH, THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS HAVE PARTICIPATED, UH, ROTARY AND LEAVING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, WE GIVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO THEM. 
          WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, UH, DOWN IN, UH, MISS COLORS DISTRICT, UM, FOLKS TAKEN CARE OF GOONY MANDER LOOP, AND, UH, THEY WERE TICKLED TOGETHER TO GET A NICE CHECK FROM US. 
          IT'S AN EASY, UH, ONE PAGE, UH, 
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APPLICATION. 
          USUALLY IT'S AROUND APRIL, WE REQUEST THAT. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE ANTI LITTER COUNCIL ASSESSES, UH, UH, EACH INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION AND THEN WE AWARD THAT. 
          SO, UM, AND I'LL LET LISA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TRASH AND LITTER PICK UP, UH, INITIATIVES, CUZ SHE'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH THAT. 
          WAIT A MINUTE. 
          SURE. 
          UM, WELL, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ROADS IN THE COUNTY THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY VARIOUS, UM, ORGANIZATIONS, BUSINESSES, ET CETERA. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE ARE STREET SECTIONS IN THE TOWN THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED, AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, WE HAVE A LIST, UM, AN EMAIL LIST AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO BE ADDED TO THAT LIST, I, I ALMOST THINK WE OUGHT TO CALL IT THE, THE GARBAGE GEEZERS BECAUSE IT'S MOSTLY OLDER PEOPLE , BUT IT'S NOT ALL OLDER PEOPLE. 
          UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA WITH THE EMAIL LIST IS YOU VOLUNTEER TO BE ON THE EMAIL LIST. 
          YOU GET NOTIFIED IF THERE'S A CLEANUP GOING ON ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY OR TOWN. 
          UM, WE DID ONE JUST, UH, ON MONDAY IN HONOR OF MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY. 
          UM, WE HAD FIF, LET'S SEE, 13 PEOPLE SHOW UP, NOT JUST FROM THE COUNTY, BUT FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTY, PEOPLE THAT I'M IN, IN CONNECTION WITH OUTSIDE THE COUNTY. 
          AND, UM, WE HAD 25 BAGS COLLECTED. 
          AND THIS IS JUST ON ROUTE 5 22 OUTSIDE OF, UM, THE SMITHSONIAN CONSERVATION BIOLOGY INSTITUTE. 
          SO LOTS AND LOTS. 
          UM, WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW KIND OF WHAT WE FIND TOO, WHICH IS INTERESTING. 
          UM, CIGARETTE BUTTS ARE PROBABLY THE, THE MOST OFTEN THAT I, I GO DOWN AND PICK SOMETHING UP. 
          I'M PICKING UP A CIGARETTE, BUT, UM, FAST FOOD CONTAINERS, DRINK CONTAINERS LIKE I SEE AT THE END OF THE TABLE. 
          , UM, CANS, PLASTIC, I RECYCLE MINE, I'LL USE THIS. 
          RECYCLE MINE. 
          YOU TAKE THIS TO 7-ELEVEN, YOU ONLY PAY A DOLLAR TO GET IT. 
          ANY OF MY, GO AHEAD. 
          SO GO AHEAD. 
          I'M, I GAVE ONE. 
          I'M LIKE, I KNOW YOU'RE GOOD. 
          I'M THE RECYCLING QUEEN. 
          YOU'RE GOOD, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          SINGLE USE, CRUSH YOUR BAGS, SNACK BAGS, UM, CARDBOARD BOXES, STYROFOAM AND CAR PARTS, OF COURSE AFTER ACCIDENTS. 
          SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOUR COMBINED GROUPS CAN DO TO REDUCE ALL, ANY AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, UM, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME LOCAL AREAS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT ARE TRYING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF GROCERY BAGS, PLASTIC GROCERY BAG. 
          IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU ALL CAN DO, THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, DRINK CONTAINERS. 
          WE'VE GOT THE, THE RE REFILLABLE. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT THE STATIONS WHERE YOU CAN REFILL YOUR WATER BOTTLES. 
          I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, AND WE'RE DOING THESE ON ROADSIDES AND, AND, AND, UH, PARKS AND PUBLIC AREAS AS WELL. 
          THOSE, THOSE CLAMPS. 
          AND IT'S ONLY THE SECOND PART OF THE TWO PRONG EFFORT THAT THE ANTI LITTER COUNCIL DOES. 
          ONE IS PREVENTING THE LITTER FROM GETTING THERE, AND THE OTHER IS CLEANING IT UP AFTERWARDS CUZ IT, IT GETS OUT THERE. 
          AND, UM, I GOT INVOLVED JUST CUZ I GOT TIRED OF SEEING IT ON THE ROADSIDES. 
          UM, THEN, UH, WE HAVE THAT EMAIL LIST. 
          YOU CAN FIND THE EMAIL LIST BY GOING ON THE WEBSITE AND FINDING ANTI LETTER COUNCIL ON THE WEBSITE. 
          UH, OUR, OUR FIND OUR OUR WEBSITE WITHIN THE COUNTY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UH, WE HAVE A FACEBOOK PAGE AND JUSTIN PROCTOR'S EMAIL ADDRESS IS THERE AND, UM, ON THE WEBSITE, AND YOU CAN CONTACT HIM TO GET ON THE EMAIL LIST. 
          WE HAVE MEETINGS THE FOURTH THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH. 
          WE ONLY HAVE JUSTIN AND HE IS THE CITIZENS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE MATT AND CHASE FOUR O'CLOCK AT, ON, UH, AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, I'LL JUST TIE IT INTO THAT WE SPEND OUR MONEY ON TRASH GRABBERS, TRASH PICKER UPPERS. 
          SO WE'LL BUY THAT. 
          WE BUY THOSE, WE HAVE GLOVES, WE HAVE, UH, UH, REFLECTIVE VESTS, SAFETY VESTS. 
          SO, UH, IF A COMMUNITY GROUP WANTS TO CHECK THAT OUT, CHECK THOSE OUT FROM US. 
          WE'RE GLAD TO LEND THEM TO 'EM. 
          UM, INDIVIDUAL, IF, IF SOMEBODY'S DOING A LOT OF CLEANUP, WE'LL JUST GIVE 'EM 'EM. 
          UH, AND, AND THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, REAL BENEFICIAL. 
          UH, A LOT OF YOUR GROUPS HAVE GOTTEN OUR GLOVES AND SOME OF THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO, AND COMING UP IN APRIL, APRIL 22ND FOR IN CELEBRATION OF, UM, EARTH DAY, THERE'S GONNA, THE EAC, THIS IS THE OTHER THING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , JUSTIN'S VERY, UM, IS ORGANIZING THE SECOND ANNUAL EARTH DAY IN FRONT ROYAL MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, IF YOU HAD PARTICIPATED LAST YEAR, WE HOPE THAT YOU'LL PARTICIPATE AGAIN. 
          WE ARE REACHING OUT, TRYING TO MAKE IT A BIGGER EVENT. 
          UM, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ANYBODY BASICALLY THAT'S INVOLVED IN NATURE ORIENTED CONSERVATION SERVICE PROVIDERS, PRACTITIONERS, RESEARCHERS, ENVIRONMENTALLY ACTIVE GROUPS, UM, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET 
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MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED TO, TO GET PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ALL DO, UM, IN, IN YOUR GROUPS. 
          AND THEN ALSO TO GET MORE MEMBERS FOR YOUR GROUPS. 
          SO HOPEFULLY, UH, WE ACTUALLY SIGNED UP, I THINK 20 PEOPLE, UM, FOR OUR, OUR LIST, UH, TO BE NOTIFIED ABOUT CLEANUPS AT THAT EVENT LAST YEAR. 
          IT WAS A, IT WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL, UH, THAT WAS THE FIRST, THE FIRST BIRTHDAY, AND WE PLANTED TREES AND STUFF. 
          BUT EAC IS, THAT'S THE TOWN'S ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          AND JUSTIN IS JUST AN AMAZING PERSON. 
          UM, HE, HE'S ON VACATION TODAY. 
          HE, HE'S A GREAT GUY. 
          UM, AND IT WAS A SUCCESSFUL DAY AND THERE WAS A LOT OF ATTENDANCE. 
          SO ONE, I JUST, ONE, I JUST WANNA THROW THIS OUT THERE. 
          IT'S NOT ANYBODY'S RESPONSIBILITY. 
          MAYBE THERE'S SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THIS, BUT YEARS AGO WHEN MY DAUGHTER WAS IN THE GIRL SCOUTS AND I WANTED HER TO GET HER GOLD, WHICH SHE NEVER DID, UM, SHE HAD THIS IDEA, , SHE HAD THIS IDEA, WHICH, AND IT WAS HER OWN IDEA. 
          WE WENT TO, SHE PLAYED TRAVEL SOFTBALL. 
          WE WENT TO OTHER PLACES AND WE WOULD GO TO THESE PARKS AND PEOPLE WOULD, UM, THE TRASH CAN, IF YOU EVER PLAYED TRAVEL BALL, WHETHER IT'S SOCCER, BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF GATORADE WATER BOTTLES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO THEY BUILT THESE TRASH CAN TYPE THINGS OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY WERE LIKE WOODEN MAYBE FROM HERE TO SAY CHERYL. 
          AND THEN THE HOLES WERE LIKE PLASTIC. 
          THIS, THIS. 
          AND THEN, SO AT THESE TOURNAMENTS, YOU COULD JUST THROW, NOT EVERY PLACE DID, BUT LURAY DID AT RALPH DEAN PARK. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I JUST, WHENEVER WE WOULD BE, UM, AT OUR PARK, YOU KNOW MM-HMM. 
          , THERE WAS, THERE WAS JUST ALWAYS, THE TRASH KIDS WERE NEVER LARGE ENOUGH FOR ALL OF THE, UM, AND SHE WAS LIKE, MOM, WE REALLY NEED ONE OF THOSE. 
          AND I WAS LIKE, THERE'S YOUR GOLD PROJECT. 
          BUT AGAIN, SHE DIDN'T NOT FINISH IT, BUT I'VE OFTEN THOUGHT IT, AND IT LOOKED LIKE THE ONES IN, UM, LERAY, THEY, SOMEBODY BUILT THOSE, IT WASN'T LIKE THEY ORDERED THEM FROM SOMEBODY. 
          IT WAS JUST LIKE, WOULDN'T. 
          NOW WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF, IF YOU DID SOMETHING LIKE RECYCLING, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A TOWN COUNTY THING BECAUSE PARKS DRIVEN BY THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN WOULD BE PICKING UP THE RECYCLING. 
          BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO, UM, UH, GET MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS ON BOARD WITH US TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKING A RUN BY THE PARK. 
          I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T BE DURING THE WINTER, BUT LIKE, I'M JUST THINKING LITTLE LEAGUE DOESN'T, THEY DON'T RECYCLE EITHER DOWN THERE. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT. 
          WHEN THE TRASH CANS ARE OVER BEFORE. 
          YES. 
          I, I'M, I JUST, I'D HATE TO SEE THAT, ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, JUST THOSE TWO PLACES, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SOCCER PLEX. 
          I, MY KIDS DIDN'T PLAY SOCCER. 
          BUT IS IT LIKE THAT THERE TOO? LOTS OF, DO YOU KNOW IF THEY, THE PARKS, THE, THE, THE ACTUAL ORGANIZATION PICKS DURING, DURING THE SEASON, THE SOCCER ORGANIZATION ACTUALLY, THERE IS A BIN OUT THERE. 
          THEY GO AROUND, COMMITTEE MEMBERS PICK UP THE TRASH, AND THERE'S A BIN THAT THEY, BEFORE THE END OF THE DAY, AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PICK UP THE TRASH. 
          HOWEVER, A LOT OF TIMES THINGS ARE MISSING. 
          OF COURSE, THE BIRDS AND THINGS PULL IT OUT OF THE TRASH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, UM, THEY DO A REALLY, REALLY GOOD JOB. 
          I JUST WAS THINKING IF IT WAS, I WAS JUST THINKING IF THERE WAS SOME KIND OF MECHANISM, LIKE AS PEOPLE ARE, THEY'RE GOING, YOU'RE WALKING TO THE TRASHCAN ANYWAY, WHY NOT PUT IT IN THE PLASTIC? OR IF YOU'RE WALKING TO THE TRASH, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, PUT IT IN THE HOLE THAT'S SAYS PLASTIC, OR, YOU KNOW, AND EVEN REALLY ONLY NEED, YOU'RE PLASTIC, YOU'RE REGULATING BEHAVIOR. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND YOU'RE RE SO THE TWO THINGS THAT YOU NEED IS YOU NEED, I WOULD SAY SIGNAGE NUMBER ONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH WE CAN HELP OUT WITH. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN, YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT CONTAINER THAT THEY WOULD PUT IT IN. 
          NOW, THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE, AND AGAIN, AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT THE COUNTY MAINTAINS THE PARKS. 
          AND THE PARKS DO HAVE A DESIGN CRITERIA FOR THEIR TRASH BINS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE, WHENEVER THEY'RE WANTING TO DO SOMETHING, MR. LENS IS THE ONE WHO SUBMITS THE QUOTE FOR, FOR US, FOR THE TYPE OF TRASH CANS THEY WANT. 
          NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A KIND OF A COMMUNITY PROJECT, OR IT COULD BE AN EAGLE PROJECT OR GIRL SCOUT PROJECT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. 
          MAYBE THERE'D BE A GROUP NOW THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THEY WOULD WANT TO SUBMIT THROUGH PARTS AND REC FOR APPROVAL. 
          AND THEN IF PARKS AND REC APPROVE IT, THEN IT COULD SUBMIT A REQUEST FOR THE COST TO BUILD IT TO US. 
          AND WE COULD ADDRESS THAT ON THE COUNCIL, ON OUR LETTER COUNCIL AND SAY, OKAY, OH, WE CAN GIVE YOU 500 BUCKS TOWARD THAT. 
          AND THE NICE THING ABOUT THAT, THEN IF THAT INDIVIDUAL OR A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS DO THAT, THEN THEY WOULD QUALIFY FOR ANNUAL AWARDS PROGRAM. 
          AND IF THEY SUBMIT THE APPLICATION, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN THEN, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR THEIR EFFORTS THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT THEY COULD TURN INTO THEIR ORGANIZATION OR WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT USUALLY IT'S THE, IN THE PARKS. 
          I MEAN, THEY, THEY PARKS HAVE TO DO THE KIND OF POINT OF CONTACT FOR THAT. 
          BUT WE ARE, WELL, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE, I WAS JUST THROWING 
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OUT THERE AN IDEA THAT, THAT CERTAIN PART, YOU KNOW, AND THE PARKS THAT ARE IN THE TOWN, WE MIGHT, THAT MIGHT BE, THAT COULD BE PART OF THEIR, THEIR RUN AND STOP, YOU KNOW, TO PICK UP THE, PICK UP THE RECYCLING FROM THERE. 
          SO ANYWAY, WELL SUBMIT I IDEAS TO US THROUGH THE WEBSITE AND WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT 'EM AND WE'LL GET WITH MR. LEN. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WOULD ANYBODY CONSIDER LETTING 10 GO FIRST? BECAUSE I, I'M THINKING LIKE THE, THE PARK PEOPLE OR, OH, SORRY. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          YOU GOOD? I WAS JUST THINKING THAT YOU WERE GONNA BE PRESENTING ABOUT TWO THINGS. 
          RIGHT? I'M GOOD. 
          NO, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          SO I WAS JUST THINKING MAYBE LET THE PEOPLE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE YOU, THEY MENTIONED ABOUT THE, I WAS JUST THINK MAYBE LET THE PEOPLE GO THAT AND THEN POOR JOE'S GONNA BE STUCK FOR THAT. 
          HE'LL ASK YOU. 
          I SORRY. 
          HE'S OKAY. 
          HE'S HE'S GOOD. 
          HE'S GOOD. 
          HE'S GOOD. 
          SO YOU, SO I WAS GONNA SKIP ON DOWN TO 10, IF THAT'S SURE. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS, LET'S SEE, DISCUSSION OF THE, UM, THE, UH, YOUTH ACTIVITIES, REINSTITUTION OF THE YOUTH CENTER. 
          BEFORE THAT EVEN WE EVEN SAY THAT TOPIC, I JUST WANT TO GIVE HUGE THANK YOU THAT, UM, I KNOW THE LAST FEW LIAISON MEETINGS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT AND ABOUT FEES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          AND I, I PAID, I PAID ATTENTION AND I SAW THAT THERE WAS A REDUCTION IN FEES. 
          AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO THE COUNTY IN PARKS AND REC. 
          I, UM, I THINK AND MANY PEOPLE, WHEN I SAW THAT, I SHARED IT OUT WITH PEOPLE THAT HAD TALKED TO ME. 
          YOU KNOW, I SENT THEM LINKS TO THE ARTICLE, LIKE, SEE EVERYBODY'S LISTENING. 
          WE'RE HEARING THAT. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          UM, FOR, FOR, UM, FOR THE WORK. 
          CUZ I KNOW IT TOOK A LOT OF WORDS TO DO THAT. 
          SO, I, I, THIS ALMOST THIS TOPIC, MR. RAPAPORT, THIS WAS KIND OF YOUR TOPIC. 
          IT SAYS YOU IN THE SUMMARY. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS SOMETHING, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS, AND I'M NOT, I'M JUST SAYING DID YOU, DID YOU WANNA SHARE WHAT THAT PART OF THIS ASPECT THAT YOU, IT SAYS, UM, WELL, YEAH, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE YE CENTER. 
          I MEAN, UH, YES. 
          BACK IN THE DAY, US THAT ARE OLD ENOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE HERE THAT HAVE BEEN . 
          YEAH. 
          UH, UH, I REMEMBER, UH, RAYMOND ST. 
          MYERS, UH, WAS LIKE RUNNING THE WHOLE SHOW DOWN THERE, IT SEEMED LIKE. 
          AND, UM, IT WAS A, IT WAS A GREAT, A GREAT PLACE FOR, UH, YOUTH AROUND THE AGES OF ABOUT 13 TO, TO, UH, UH, 18, UH, TO HANG OUT AT THE HEAD BANDS, CONCERTS THERE. 
          UH, WE HAD A POOL TABLE IN THERE. 
          WE HAD PINK PONG TABLE. 
          UH, IT WAS LIKE A COMMUNITY EVENT WHERE PEOPLE COULD COME IN AND JUST HANG OUT. 
          SORT OF LIKE, BACK IN THE DAY WE HAD CORNER SHOPS ON MAIN STREET WHERE YOU COULD, KIDS WOULD GO IN AND HANG OUT. 
          AND THEN IT, WHEN THEY, THEY CLOSED, WHEN THOSE CLOSED, EVERYTHING TRANSFERRED OVER TO THIS YOUTH CENTER. 
          AND, UH, IF YOU WERE, IF YOU REMEMBER A BAND NAMED SALT SOLD OUT MM-HMM. 
          , WELL, THAT WAS THE WILLIAMS FAMILY. 
          UH, UH, THAT'S WHERE THEY, THEY WOULD PLAY THE BAND, THEIR, THEIR MUSIC THERE, DOWN THERE. 
          SO, UH, GETTING TO THE, THE POINT IS, UH, WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF GROUPS OUT HERE THAT I, THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT ARE INTERESTED IN, IN GETTING COMMUNITY EVENTS FOR THE YOUTH GOING ON. 
          AND, UH, IF THERE'S SOME WAY THAT COLLABORATIVELY WHERE THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN COULD POSSIBLY, UH, HELP WITH THAT, UH, TO REINSTITUTE THE YOUTH CENTER. 
          UH, I, I'M, I'M ALL FOR IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I SEE KIDS HANGING OUT AT, AT, UM, UH, ROYAL PLAZA, UH, DURING THE SUMMER, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO APPARENTLY. 
          UH, OBESITY IS ANOTHER THING, YOU KNOW, AND JUST KIDS HANGING OUT, DOING NOTHING. 
          AT LEAST, UH, IF YOU HAVE BANDS DOWN THERE, UH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SHAKE A LEG. 
          RIGHT. 
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. 
          SO, UH, UH, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT, THAT I WAS FOCUSED ON FOCUSING ON. 
          I COULD SHAKE A LEG BACK. 
          I KNOW, I, I JUST, I JUST SAID TO ADD HE'S REALLY DATING HIMSELF AS HE SHAKE LEG. 
          I'VE HEARD THAT TOO. 
          SO. 
          RIGHT. 
          I JUST WANNA SAY ONE THING ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THAT MR. RAPPAPORT IS OCTO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS OCTOBER OR APRIL, WE TALKED ABOUT MORE YOUTH ACTIVITIES. 
          AND AGAIN, KIND OF LIKE THAT WATER COMMITTEE THING, WE ALL SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE OUGHT TO FORM A COMMITTEE ABOUT THE YOUTH AND GRAB STAKEHOLDERS. 
          AND, AND WHEN I SAY STAKEHOLDERS, YOU CAN'T JUST BE THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, KIDS, HOPEFULLY KIDS, KIDS. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE KIDS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          KIDS, PARENTS, PARENTS, SCHOOLS, UH, A FAITH-BASED COMMUNITY. 
          THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT COULD, COULD, UM, COULD MAYBE JOIN IN AND, AND SUPPORT THIS EFFORT. 
          UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND THAT'S, THAT'S AS FAR AS IT GOT, WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          RIGHT, DOLORES? GOOD. 
          WELL, SO PART OF THE, THE INITIATIVE OF THE DRUG PREVENTION COMMITTEE WAS TO OFFER YOUTH ACTIVITIES OR FIND ALTERNATIVES SO THAT STUDENTS WOULDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, AND WOULD HAVE THE COURAGE MAYBE TO SAY NO, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY OFFERED THEM DRUGS. 
          AND SO, UM, WE, WE MOVED FORWARD ON OUR DRUG, UH, TREATMENT COURT AND AFTERWARDS ALL OF US WERE SITTING AROUND LIKE, WELL, NOW WHAT DO WE DO? RIGHT? WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN THIS INITIATIVE MOVED FORWARD. 
          SO ONE OF THE IDEAS WAS TO CREATE A SCHOOL OF ROCK  IN THAT, IN THAT YOUTH CENTER DOWN THERE. 
          THESE, THERE ARE A LOT OF MUSICIANS IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO, WHO LOVE MUSIC, WHO HAVE, UM, ALL SORTS OF GUITARS AND, AND DRUMS AND THINGS THAT THEY WOULD DONATE. 
          AND THESE GENTLEMEN WERE OFFERING THAT IN OUR MEETING AND THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE A SCHOOL OF ROCK, BECAUSE MUSIC IS, IT TRANSCENDS EVERY AGE GROUP KIDS, UH, YOU KNOW, OLDER FOLKS. 
          I MEAN, IT BRINGS US ALL TOGETHER. 
          SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE, THE, UH, INITIATIVES THAT I OFFERED TO DR. 
          DALEY AS MAYBE WE COULD COORDINATE THAT AND THE DRUG PREVENTION COMMITTEE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT AND WOULD BE EXCITED ABOUT DOING THAT. 
          . 
          SEE, AND THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S AN, THAT'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER, I MEAN, THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF THIS IS THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STAKEHOLDERS, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT RECOGNIZE THE, THE, UH, RECOGNIZE THE, UM, UM, THE VALUE, THE VALUE OF YEAH. 
          HAVING KIDS BE INVOLVED IN. 
          AND I KNOW, UH, UM, MS. COLORS, I REMEMBER THAT MEETING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SPORTS, SPORTS, SPORTS. 
          AND MY KIDS ARE INVOLVED IN SPORTS, BUT NOT EVERY KID IS INVOLVED IN SPORTS. 
          AND SO YOU CAN'T ASSUME THAT EVERY KID'S GONNA HAVE SOMETHING TO HELP THEM OCCUPY IT BY THEIR TIME. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE WANNA LEAD WITH THIS. 
          WE BROUGHT IT UP, UM, SO NICELY, IF YOU'VE SEEN ON THE AGENDA, LIKE ALL THE ACTIVITIES THAT WERE GOING ON IN 2022 AND THE ONES FOR 2023 AND NEW YOUTH PROGRAMS AND, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S LOTS OF EVENTS. 
          I KNOW ONE THING I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW YEAH. 
          DO YOU, I DON'T, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UH, BRUCE WANTED US, BRUCE WANTED US TO BRING THIS UP. 
          I'M GONNA LET YOU YEAH, WELL, AS YOU I AGREE WITH IT. 
          THE YOUTH, THE YOUTH NEED TO BE PART OF THE COLLABORATION. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT ESPORTS IS A BIG THING. 
          WHAT? ESPORTS WITH THE YOUTH. 
          UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I CAN BELIEVE THAT EVERY KID IS GOING, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO PLAY MADDEN, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          NO, NO, THAT'S TRUE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, WHEN THERE'S A COMMITTEE, THE YOUTH WILL TELL YOU WHAT THEY WANT AND THEN YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE MAKE THIS HAPPEN? THAT'S, THAT'S, SO WHAT ARE OUR NEXT STEPS? FIND A PLACE. 
          FIND PLACE. 
          LET'S GET THAT PLACE. 
          I SAID OUR CEA SPORTS COMPETITION ON THE 2020 THREES PROGRAM. 
          YEP. 
          WE ADDRESS THE TABLE FIRST. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          I WAS JUST SAYING, I WAS JUST SAYING NEXT STEPS. 
          WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEPS FOR US AS A GROUP? MR. DALEY, GO AHEAD. 
          WE MENTION THAT MIGHT HELP. 
          SO WE HAVE IN THE LAST, UH, I GUESS FOUR MONTHS AND SIX MONTHS REORGANIZE THE, 
          [02:20:01]
UH, RECREATION DEPARTMENT. 
          AND WE, UH, MOVED MAINTENANCE AND WE HAVE CONSOLIDATED THE RECREATION STAFF SO THAT THEY CAN COLLABORATE MORE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, WE HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT GIVES US A FACILITY, WHICH WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          OUR FIRST STEP WITH THAT IS TO RENOVATE IT TO, NOT TO STABILIZE IT, MA'AM, CUZ IT'S NOT GONNA FALL DOWN. 
          BUT IT HAS BASIC THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE AND GET THOSE DONE WHILE WE LOOK AT, WE HAVE SOMEBODY IN RICHMOND TODAY LOOKING AT SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR FUNDING. 
          ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES FOR THE COUNTY, QUITE FRANKLY, IS, UH, WE'RE ON A LIMITED BUDGET THIS YEAR AND IT'S BEEN MADE VERY CLEAR TO US. 
          WE'RE GONNA, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FOCUS ON OUR RESOURCES AND HOW WE DO IT, BUT, UH, JOE'S BEEN WORKING ON A COUPLE OF THINGS AND TARA'S WORKING ON A COUPLE OF THINGS AND WE'VE GOT THIS OTHER PERSON WORKING THERE AND WE'RE, UH, GONNA PUT 'EM TOGETHER AND WE'LL, AND THEN WE'VE GOT A PRIVATE GROUP THAT APPROACHED JUST, JUST TODAY, UH, ABOUT A PROPOSAL. 
          AND I HAVEN'T HEARD THE PROPOSAL AND I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE BOARD ABOUT IT OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT JUST TOLD US TODAY. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP MOVING WITH IT THAT WAY. 
          FIRST THING WAS TO FIND A SPACE AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. 
          SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE THINKING THE SPACE WOULD BE RAYMOND E SAME OURS YOUTH CENTER WOULD BE THE SPACE, OR IT WOULD BE A SPACE. 
          A SPACE. 
          OBVIOUSLY NOT THE ONLY SPACE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          WE CAME UP WITH, UH, ANOTHER SPACE RIGHT. 
          THAT THEY WANTED TO USE. 
          WE'D BE HAPPY TO LET 'EM HAVE IT. 
          THAT'S A GREAT LOCATION THOUGH. 
          BUT OUR SPACE THAT IS OWNED BY THE COUNTY, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IN THAT DIRECTION AND WORKING ON IT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, MIDDLE SCORES. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY'VE GOT WHEELS, THEY'RE NOT REAL INTERESTED. 
          . 
          TRUE. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S THIS, UH, 11 TO 15 YEAR OLD GROUP IN THERE THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON. 
          AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, RATHER THAN US TRYING TO TELL THEM WHAT THEY SHOULD DO. 
          WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD A FACILITY UNTIL THEY TELL US WHAT IT IS THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GOING AS FAST AS BUILDING WE'RE GOING. 
          RIGHT. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY, FIRST OFF, LET ME BACK UP. 
          THIS REALLY, THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T THE TOWN'S JOB TO SAY TELL, I, I WANNA BE CLEAR. 
          IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO SAY YOU SHOULD DO THIS OR YOU SHOULDN'T DO THIS OR ANYTHING. 
          I THINK THAT WHAT MR. RAPPAPORT WAS SAYING, AND I THINK THE LAST COUPLE TIMES WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LIES ON ME. 
          IT WAS MORE OF A IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO TRY TO HELP? THAT'S REALLY WHAT I, I SAW IT AS. 
          AND I THINK PEOPLE SEE US AS THE COMMUNITY LEADERS AND, AND, AND SO MANY TIMES PEOPLE SIT BACK AND WAIT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO SOMEBODY ELSE TO, TO UH, TO, TO FORM A COMMITTEE OR TO DO WHATEVER, YOU KNOW. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, IF THERE'S ON FROM MY PERSONAL, IF THERE'S SOMETHING I CAN DO, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. 
          AND THAT'S, AND, AND WE'LL DO THAT. 
          IT'S, IT'S MORE OF AN AD HOC COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW RATHER THAN A FORMAL ENTITY. 
          SURE. 
          IT'S GOT SOME PEOPLE FROM THE DRUG COMMITTEE. 
          GOOD. 
          AND THEN, BUT NOT THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE. 
          SO IT'S NOT THE WHOLE COMMITTEE OFFICIALLY MEETING RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          OR ANYTHING ELSE. 
          THIS IS A GROUP JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW CAN WE DO THIS AND WHAT'S IT GONNA TAKE TO PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE'LL KEEP MR. RAPR IN MIND. 
          OKAY. 
          SKIP. 
          I'M SO SORRY. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          SKIP, GO AHEAD. 
          NO, I'M GOOD. 
          CAN YOU HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT LIKE, RENOVATIONS OR WHATEVER? I, I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE EVEN PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD STEP UP AND DO SOMETHING OR DONATE TOWARDS, AND I COULD BE WRONG CUZ YOU HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME. 
          PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA GET RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY, WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE, THE FUTURE, THEY'RE, WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING TO HELP THESE KIDS. 
          AND YOU, YOU ALMOST WANT TO BE LIKE, OKAY, WELL BUT YOU KNOW, GIVE 'EM SOMETHING, GIVE 'EM SOMETHING TANGIBLE THAT THEY CAN DO. 
          YEAH. 
          AND MAYBE IT MAY NOT BE JOIN A COMMITTEE, BUT IT MAY BE DONATE MONEY OR DONATING RESOURCES OR TIME OR WHATEVER. 
          SO WHY YOU SHOULD MENTION THAT WE HAVE THIS BIG PROJECT, UH, MR. LANCE COMING UP NEXT DOOR TO WHERE THE YOUTH CENTER IS. 
          THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND WE'RE GONNA NEED LOTS OF COMMUNITY RESOURCES. 
          ARE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FANTASY LAND? YES MA'AM. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED TO GET, PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME I EVER USED A DRILL WAS 
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THE, I HOPE A LONG TIME AGO HAD TO HAVE BEEN THE EARLY NINETIES. 
          83, 93. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY I WAS NEWLY TEACHING THEN. 
          SO YES. 
          WELL THAT'S GOOD. 
          THAT'S A PROJECT WE CAN REALLY USE SOME HELP TO START GETTING PEOPLE ORGANIZED. 
          WHICH NOW IN 93 THERE WAS NOT A SHORTAGE OF VOLUNTEERS. 
          LIKE, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THAT PROJECT, THERE WAS LOTS OF PEOPLE WERE INTERESTED. 
          SO YOU CAN GET THE MR. RAPPAPORT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED US ANY ANYBODY ELSE WANTED TO COMMENT ON ANY OF THAT OR I DO. 
          I WANNA SAY THAT NOT EVERYTHING ED TAKES COUNTY DOLLARS. 
          THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT'S VOLUNTEER. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE GONNA TALK TO. 
          AND SO I DON'T WANT TO GET, GET US CAUGHT INTO THAT. 
          WE'VE GOTTA BUY EVERYTHING BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS ISSUE TRANSCENDS EVERYBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE COULD FIND VOLUNTEERS TO CREATE THESE PROGRAMS, RUN THESE PROGRAMS AND HELP US WITH THESE KIDS. 
          I DO, I FIRMLY BELIEVE TO PAY FOR ANYTHING. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A PLACE ORIGINAL YOUTH CENTER WAS RIGHT. 
          IT WAS ALL VOLUNTEERING. 
          WELL, AND THAT'S THE THING, WHEN MR. REPPORT WAS JUST SAYING THAT, FOR THOSE OF US THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND HERE FOR A LONG TIME, THE YOUTH CENTER, IT WASN'T ALL VOLUNTEER. 
          IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOVERNMENT. 
          THE PARENTS HAD, IF YOUR, IF YOUR KID WAS GONNA PARTICIPATE, BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER MY MOM USED TO TO SIGN UP TO TAKE A NIGHT OR TAKE AN EVENING OUT. 
          MY SIBLINGS NEVER WANTED HER THERE ON DANCE SIGN . 
          BUT UM, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH, BUT THEN THERE WERE OTHER RIGHT LORDS, YOU KNOW. 
          UM, BUT ANYWAY, I'M JUST SAYING THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN DANCING GOT REALLY CLOSE , YOU DIDN'T WANT YOUR PARENTS THERE. 
          , I THINK THAT LENS WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M GONNA ADD, ADD JUST SOMETHING SMALL, SMALL TO, I'M GONNA INTRODUCE, UH, TIFFANY, TIFFANY WALKER HERE. 
          BUT, UM, THE SCALE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THE YOUTH CENTER, WE ARE ACTUALLY ALREADY DO SOME OF THESE THINGS FOR AGE GROUP OF SEVEN TO 12. 
          AND TIFFANY'S GONNA TELL YOU EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR, LIKE DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK DURING, UM, SPRING BREAK AND THEN DURING THE SUMMER THAT WE OFFER BECAUSE WE, WE UTILIZE THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMPLEX GYM. 
          AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT ROOMS THAT OFFER DIFFERENT, IT ISN'T JUST SPORTS, IT'S EVERYTHING. 
          AND THEN TIFFANY'S JUST GONNA TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. 
          BUT WE CAN TAKE THAT MODEL AND WHETHER WE USE IT AT THE YOUTH CENTER IN A SMALLER SCALE OR INCLUDE THAT OR OTHER AREAS IN THE INDIAN COMMUNITY. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          SO WHAT WE DO NOW, UM, DURING OUR WINTER BREAK, IF THERE'S EVER A DAY WHEN SCHOOL'S NOT IN SESSION AND WE HAVE ENOUGH STAFF, UM, WE OFFER OUR GYM. 
          WE OPEN IT FROM 8:00 AM TO 6:00 PM SO PARENTS CAN DROP THEIR KIDS OFF. 
          SO SAY YOUR CHILD'S SEVEN TO 12 AND THEY DON'T GO TO A REGULAR DAYCARE AND YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO STAY HOME. 
          YOU WANT 'EM TO BE ACTIVE. 
          THEY CAN COME TO OUR GYM. 
          WE HAVE SEVERAL SUPERVISORS ON STAFF. 
          WE HAVE A BOOK NOOK. 
          UM, WE HAVE A GAME ROOM AND WE HAVE THE GYM. 
          UM, IN THE GYM, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO PLAY ANY TYPE OF SPORT ACTIVITY THEY LIKE. 
          WE HAVE SCOOTERS, WE SET UP VOLLEYBALL, WE HAVE A BATTING CAGE. 
          UM, BASKETBALL IS REALLY THE HIGHLIGHT. 
          UM, WE DO PLAY KICKBALL AND DODGE BALL WITH THE KIDS. 
          WE HAVE OUR BOOK WHERE WE HAVE LEGOS, PUZZLES, CRAFTS, MOVIES, CARD GAMES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT THEY'D LIKE TO PLAY. 
          AND THEN IN OUR GAME ROOM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A, WE AN XBOX, UH, POOL, PING PONG AND AIR HOCKEY. 
          THEY HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          THE ROOMS ARE OPEN THE ENTIRE TIME THEY'RE THERE. 
          THEY CAN COME AND GO AS THEY PLEASE WITH THEIR PARENTS. 
          THEY HAVE TO SIGN IN AND CHECK OUT. 
          THEY GET A WRISTBAND. 
          THEY PAY $10 A DAY. 
          UM, IF ANYONE CAN'T AFFORD THAT, WE DON'T HOLD THEM TO THAT. 
          WE DO OFFER SCHOLARSHIPS. 
          UM, WE DO LET PEOPLE COME IN FOR FREE OF CHARGE IF THEY HAVE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, THEY COME IN EVERY DAY AND THEY CAN LEAVE AND COME BACK AT NO EXTRA CHARGE TO THEM. 
          SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE OFFER. 
          WE OFFER IT ALL SUMMER LONG. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, DURING THE HOLIDAY BREAKS AND ANYTIME SCHOOL'S OUT. 
          TIFFANY, HOW MANY STUDENTS DO YOU HAVE ON A DAILY BASIS WHEN YOU AVERAGE? WE WOULD AVERAGE DURING THE SUMMER, ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO 35. 
          AND THEN OVER CHRISTMAS BREAK WE HAD ABOUT FIVE TO 10. 
          AND THEN WHEN IT'S JUST ONE DAY HERE OR THERE WHEN SCHOOL'S OUT FOR PROFESSIONAL DAYS, IT'S REALLY HIT OR MISS. 
          SOMETIMES WE'LL HAVE TWO, SOMETIMES WE'LL HAVE 20 . 
          THAT'S A GREAT PROGRAM. 
          YEAH. 
          WORD AND OUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WILL ADVERTISE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          JUST ABOUT THE ONE, ONE OF OUR GOALS AS SHE IS, IS BASICALLY GETTING THE WORD OUT. 
          AND WE WON'T SHOW YOU TONIGHT, BUT IF YOU GET OUT WARREN COUNTY VA.GOV AND SLASH PARKS, YOU CAN ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY SEE THE BOOKLET THAT YOU HAVE. 
          UM, WE HAVE A, A VR UM, VIRTUAL REALITY. 
          UM, UH, YOU COULD TAKE A WALK THROUGH VISA PARK AND AND SEE THE BOOK, YOU KNOW, THE BOOK STORY, THEN VISIT IT VISITS THE, UH, THE DOG PARK. 
          AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE TO OUR, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? THE NEWSLETTER? YEAH, THE NEWSLETTER. 
          WE'RE GONNA DO TRY TO IS IT WEEKLY OR, OR MONTHLY? MONTHLY. 
          MONTHLY. 
          THE MONTHLY END, WE'RE GONNA GET THE WORD OUT TO, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN OUR ACTIVITIES. 
          AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA GET A GET BACK. 
          I THINK DR. 
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DALEY ASKED US TO GET INVOLVED AND WE WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE SCHOOLS. 
          AT ONE TIME, WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE THEM INFORMATION AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT JUST GOT KNOCKED OUT AND WE COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, GET, GET INTO 'EM. 
          THEY, I WAS INVOLVED WITH SCOUTING FOR YEARS. 
          WE, WE COULDN'T DO THAT EITHER. 
          SO NOW WE'RE GONNA OPENING THE DOOR BACK UP SO THE TEACHERS WILL BE ABLE TO GET THE WORD OUT TO THE KIDS. 
          SO THAT'S JUST A BETTER LINE OF COMMUNICATION. 
          IT GIVES, UH, THE KIDS, UH, ACCESSIBILITY. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA BE OFFERING ONLINE REGISTRATION HERE OVER THE NEXT FEW, NEXT FEW MONTHS. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA GET THE WORD OUT BETTER SO THE COMMITTEE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          SO. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU GUYS HAVE THIS, UM, DO YOU GUYS HAVE, DOES THE COUNTY HAVE THAT? UH, IF WE HAD THAT PUSH NOTIFICATIONS, LIKE WHEN THERE WAS THE WATER MAIN BREAK OR WHATEVER, WE, IT WOULD POP UP ON MY PHONE LIKE A TEXT THAT SAID, DO YOU GUYS HAVE THAT TOO? YES, WE DO. 
          WE DO. 
          WE DO. 
          OKAY. 
          I NEED TO SIGN UP FOR THAT. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY SO, BECAUSE I WAS JUST THINKING THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO PUSH OUT. 
          LIKE, SCHOOLS OUT. 
          THIS IS AVAILABLE. 
          SO, ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S JUMP TO JOINT TOWING ADVISORY BOARD AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO MCKAY SPRINGS AND, AND THE OTHER THING. 
          SO, UM, AND THIS WAS ADDED AT THE LAST MINUTE, SO I, I HAVE NO, I DON'T REALLY KNOW. 
          I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHERE, WHAT, WHAT, UM, SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS, THIS ONE WAS ABOUT THE JOINT TOWING ADVISORY BOARD. 
          THIS WAS, I HAVE NO IDEA. 
           AND IT'S SAYS TOWN. 
          THIS TOWN, JOE IS ALL, JOE'S THE MAN. 
          UH, WE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. 
          UM, BACK IN 2017, THE TOWN APPROVED FOR THIS TOW, UH, JOINT TOW ADVISORY BOARD. 
          AND SO DID  ADVISORS ON 2018. 
          PART OF THE BYLAWS ARE FOUR YEAR TERMS. SO WE BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE, UM, WE DO KNOW THAT ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ADVISORY BOARD HAS RESIGNED AND THE TOWN DID AFFIRM REAFFIRM THE FOUR YEAR COMMITMENT TO THE MEMBERS OF THIS ADVISORY BOARD THIS SUMMER. 
          AND THE COUNTY HASN'T YET. 
          SO WE JUST BROUGHT IT UP SO THAT WE CAN GET IN SYNC AND GET THIS BOARD REESTABLISHED BY BOTH, BOTH AUTHORITIES SO THAT THIS BOARD CAN CONTINUE DOING THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          SO YOU NEED US JUST TO MAKE ANOTHER REAPPOINTMENT? REAPPOINTMENT, BUT WE DO HAVE ONE MEMBER THAT HAS OFFICIALLY RESIGNED FROM THAT BOARD. 
          AND IS THAT A YOU, IS THAT A, A COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE OR A TOWN REPRESENTATIVE? I THINK IT'S A TOWN REPRESENTATIVE. 
          I THINK IT'S EITHER, I THINK NO, IT WOULD BE EITHER, BUT IT WAS A COUNTY THAT, YEAH, I, I CUZ I WAS READING THROUGH THESE BYLAWS, I THINK THAT THE CITIZEN REPRESENTATIVE, IT SAYS ONE MEMBER SHALL BE A CITIZEN OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL OR THE COUNTY OF WARREN. 
          SO IT COULD BE EITHER WAR, UM, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THE TOWN, IT'S ALSO A COUNTY. 
          BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO WE, BUT YEAH. 
          BUT BRI, THE PACKET THAT THE CITIZEN PUT IN A RESIGNATION. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, YES. 
          WE NEED TO, WE'LL NEED TO FIND PLACEMENT FOR THAT. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN REAPPOINT ON BOTH SIDES IS NEW CHANGE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SOME OFFICER CHANGES MM-HMM. 
          , UH, ON THE, ON THE COMMITTEE AS WELL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I THINK. 
          UM, SEE KATE? YEAH. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE TO GET THAT ONE. 
          YES. 
          TRAVIS CAVE HAS NOW TOOK THE PLACE OF I YEAH, I I WAS GONNA SAY HE, UM, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. 
          LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSON CHANGED. 
          UM, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, UH, TRAVIS CAVE REPLACED. 
          UH, CAPTAIN MUK. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO MOVING FORWARD, IT, SO IS THE DIRECTION FOR ALL OF US THAT WE NEED TO FIND A CITIZEN REPRESENTATIVE ARE, ARE WE GOOD FOR THE, UM, ARE WE GOOD FOR THE TOWN PEOPLE? THEY COULD STAY THE SAME, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE DISAPPOINTED THEM LAST JULY. 
          UM, YOU KNEW WE HAVE FOR THE TOWN. 
          WELL IT'S NOT REALLY THE TOWN, IT'S THE THREE TOWING. 
          OH, GO. 
          YEAH. 
          HE'S STILL ON THERE. 
          YES. 
          SO, SO OUR CURRENT PD PERSON WOULD STAY THE SAME. 
          YOU ALL HAVE SOMEBODY DIFFERENT FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT IS WILLING TO, UM, SERVE NOW, I BELIEVE. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S HOW I TOOK THE EMAIL, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO YEAH, ME AND ME AND DR. 
          DALEY CAN GET TOGETHER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE JUST PUT IT ON THERE CAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A CHANGE IN DIRECTION AND WHY IT WASN'T REAFFIRMED OVER THE SUMMER. 
          AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP, MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNTY'S STILL COMMITTED TO THIS AND WE CAN OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO THEN YOU GUYS CAN JUST BASICALLY GET TOGETHER AND GET EMILY AND TINA TALK ABOUT AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON THE, UH, APPOINTMENT AT A MEETING. 
          BUT WE, BUT WE ON, BUT WE NEED TO FIND AN ACT. 
          WE NEED TO FIND A CITIZEN. 
          SO IF ANYBODY, ANYBODY IN HERE HAS ANY PARTICULAR PEOPLE IN MIND THAT ARE ALWAYS SAYING THEY WANNA GET INVOLVED, RIGHT? THAT AND, AND DO WE ADVERTISE 
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FOR THAT OR DO WE JUST FIND SOMEBODY, UM, THAT PARTICULAR, LIKE I DON'T, RIGHT? I WAS HERE IN 2018 WHEN WE GOT THIS ESTABLISHED. 
          I DON'T RIGHTFULLY REMEMBER IF WE ADVERTISE OR WE JUST, THERE WAS SUCH A NEED THAT WE HAD ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS TO FILL THIS COMMITTEE. 
          THAT'S ALWAYS NICE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I GUESS WE'LL JUST, WE'LL JUST HANG TIGHT. 
          Y'ALL ARE FINE. 
          Y'ALL ARE GONNA FIND SOMEBODY  MAYBE, MAYBE A NEIGHBOR. 
          . 
          SOMEBODY'S WILLING TO DO IT. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE, UH, WE HAVE THE TWO THINGS LEFT WITH, WHICH IS THE DISPOSITION OF MCKAY SPRINGS PROPERTY AND THEN VICKY AND I WANTED TO ADD TO THE AGENDA, THE APEX PROP PROPERTY CONSERVATION CONSERVATION. 
          YEP. 
          YEP, YEP. 
          CONS, CONSERV CONSERVATORY, THE CONSERVATORY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALL. 
          WHICH ONE ARE WE, ARE WE GOING WITH FIRST? JEFF, GO WITH MCKAY SPRINGS FIRST, SINCE THAT'S ALL WE'LL STICK WITH THE AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY, I GOT OFF. 
          I WAS TRYING TO HELP DAN. 
          AND DO YOU HAVE THAT? YEAH. 
          IS THERE ON THE, IT'S ADOBE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GOING HIT THE RESTROOM. 
          I THOUGHT IF ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S HIT THE RESTROOM WHILE THEY GET IT READY AFTER I DRINK THAT BIG DRINK THAT NEEDS TO BE RECYCLED. 
          IT'S JUST SO REAL. 
          GOT A REALLY LONG PRESENTATION, SO YOU BETTER DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO NOW. 
          . 
          IT'S AN HOUR AND A HALF. 
          IT NO, I I THINK IT'S LIKE FIVE. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY MY PHONE IS BLOWING UP JOE AND I NEED TO MAKE A BUNCH OF PHONE CALLS. 
          I PROMISE TO BE QUICK. 
          AS LONG AS YOU DON'T ASK THE LAST QUESTION. 
          I'M DONE. 
          YEAH, IT'S FOR ABOUT, I HAVE THE HISTORY ON THE KAY SPRINGS. 
          IF ANYBODY WANTS IT USED GREW, MY GRANDPARENTS OWNED THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM QUE SPRINGS. 
          AND DIDN'T THE IN CEDARVILLE, THE PECKS LIVE THERE. 
          YEAH, THEY WOULD WOULDN'T THEIR CHRISTMAS. 
          YES. 
          EVERY, THE PECK, EVERY, EVERY INCH OF THAT HOUSE HAD LIGHTS IN IT DID. 
          IT IS THE LIKELY TO BE THE SITE OF THE FIRST SETTLER IN FRONT ROYAL BY NAME OF ROBERT. 
          SO WE UNDERSTOOD. 
          WE USED TO NOTICE, UM, MY UNCLE WAS LIKE AN ARTIFACT GUY. 
          HE DIG ARTIFACTS AND SO HE HAD MILITARY BUTTON, YOU KNOW, FROM PROBABLY THE AGE HEAT. 
          JUST A COMPLETE, YEAH, THIS LIGHT, THE SIGHT OF THE FIRST SUN IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO IT WAS PRETTY ED. 
          AMBER, AMBER, SHE'S, SHE'LL BE HERE IN A SECOND. 
          ED KNOWS THE STORY. 
          SO WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE LAST ONE. 
          AND, BUT WE HAVE SOME NEW OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE. 
          SO WE WANTED TO REENGAGE THIS CONVERSATION. 
          UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T KNOW. 
          THIS IS MCKAY SPRINGS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF RELIANCE ROAD AND 3 45 22 WINCHESTER ROAD. 
          UM, IS APPROX ABOUT 15 ACRES AND IT IS MADE UP OF FOUR SEPARATE PARCELS. 
          UM, AND IN THIS MAP YOU'LL SEE THE YELLOW IS OWNED BY THE TOWN FRONT. 
          ROYAL BLUE IS OWNED BY THE COUNTY OF WARREN. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY A BUNCH OF LITTLE PARCELS, BUT WE'LL FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT WITH THIS STATES ONE. 
          AND THEN THE GREEN PARCELS ARE OWNED BY THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY. 
          UM, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER LAYOUT THAT SHOWS THE ACREAGE. 
          AND YOU HAVE THESE IN YOUR PRINTOUTS. 
          IT ALSO IDENTIFIES THE ORIGINAL HOMESTEAD THAT'S UP ON THE HILL THAT YOU DON'T SEE FROM THE ROAD. 
          AND THE OLD SPRINGHOUSE HERE, THE CHIMNEY THAT YOU CAN SEE YOU. 
          SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY AGAIN, TOWN AND COUNTY HAVE AN MOU DATE BACK TO 2011. 
          TALKS ABOUT THIS COOPERATION TO GET THIS PROPERTY SOLD. 
          THERE WERE SOME BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENTS DONE AT THAT TIME. 
          CHANGES SOME OF THE OWNERSHIP MOVING IN AROUND, IN 2021, I BELIEVE THE E D A CONVEYED THEIR, UH, PROPERTY OVER TO THE COUNTY. 
          [02:40:01]
THE E D A ONCE OWNED THIS PARCEL AND THEN THEY DEEDED THAT OVER TO THE COUNTY. 
          UM, AND THEN IN 2020, UH, THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UM, WELL THERE WERE SOME INTEREST THAT THE E D A WAS RECEIVING, UH, IN THIS PROPERTY. 
          THEY WANTED TO GET THAT SOLD. 
          THEY HAVE SOME LETTERS OF INTENT, THEY HAD OTHER INTERESTS IN IT, AND SO THEY WANTED TO GET THAT SOLD. 
          THE PROBLEM WITH THE CONFIGURATION OF THE PROPERTY IS IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK. 
          IT'S NOT VERY FEASIBLE FOR BUILDINGS DUE TO SETBACKS. 
          UH, ROAD ENTRANCES, FLOODPLAIN, MULTIPLE VARIABLES. 
          SO IN 2020, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY KIND OF CAME TOGETHER AND CREATED THIS BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT, THIS CONCEPT THAT CREATED DIFFERENT LAND BASE. 
          UH, THE COUNTY ALSO ENGAGED WITH AN ENGINEERING COMPANY TO DO A FLOOD STUDY AND WHICH ALSO BACKED UP THIS, UM, BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT THAT SHOWED THAT THESE LAND BASE WERE ATTAINABLE BY, THERE MIGHT HAVE TO BE SOME ENGINEERING WORK, BUT IT COULD BE DONE. 
          AND SO THIS WAS CREATED, BUT IT WAS NEVER MOVED FORWARD. 
          UM, AND THEN AGAIN, AS PART OF THAT FLOOD STUDY, THIS, UH, ILLUSTRATION HERE OVERLAYS THE, THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          AGAIN, YELLOW IS THE TOWN. 
          LEWIS COUNTY GREEN IS THE ONES THAT WE JOINTLY OWN. 
          AND THEN THOSE LAND BASE AND POTENTIAL KIND OF CONCEPT PLANS. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE, NONE OF THESE CONCEPT PLANS REALLY LIE ON ONE PIECE OF PARCEL. 
          UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE SPRING BUFFER AND TO PROTECT THAT QUALITY WATER DOWN THERE. 
          AND THEN A HALF ACRE AROUND THE RUINS THAT WE AGREED TO TAKE CARE OF. 
          UM, THE COUNTY DID SHORE THAT UP AFTER THE FIRE AND IT STILL REMAINS. 
          WE DID USE SOME OF THE STONE FOR THE NATIONAL PARK, UH, MONUMENT DOWN THERE ON, UH, THE GREENWAY TRAIL. 
          SO THE NEXT STEPS ARE REALLY AGAIN, UM, BASIS OF THAT MOU IS TO, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          I MEAN, TRUTHFULLY, THIS, THIS PROPERTY IS DOING NOTHING FOR THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, IT JUST SITS VACANT. 
          IT'S NOT GENERATING TAX REVENUE. 
          THERE'S NO BUSINESSES THERE, THERE'S JUST NO ACTIVITY. 
          SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS EITHER, YOU KNOW, COOPERATE TOGETHER TO, TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, TO TALK ABOUT THE INTEREST. 
          WE STILL GET INTEREST IN THESE PARCELS, UM, TO DO THE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT TO EITHER SELL OWNERSHIP, HOWEVER THAT WORKS. 
          BUT I THINK THE COUNCIL AND THE BOARD NEED TO COME TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THIS. 
          THERE'S BEEN SOME PLANS IN THE PROCESS AND TO REALIZE WHAT THAT VISION IS. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, REALLY THE NEXT KIND OF STEPS, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY MORE QUICK PRESENTATION, NO MORE SLIDES, BUT REALLY THAT'S KIND OF THE NEXT STEP. 
          SO UNDERSTAND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD TO GET THIS PROPERTY VIABLE AND TO BE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND SO I THINK IT'S BETWEEN THE, THE COUNCIL AND THE BOARD TO DECIDE WHAT YOU THINK THE BEST STEPS WOULD BE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. 
          UM, SO IF YOU HAVE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST. 
          OBVIOUSLY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR OR DIRECTION THAT YOU'D GIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE JOE OR OR DR. 
          HAILEY, UM, OR MYSELF TO, TO THINK ABOUT HOW THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD, WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          I KNOW WHEN SOMEBODY WAS INTERESTED BEFORE MM-HMM. 
          , UM, I KNOW A STICKING POINT FOR ME WAS THERE WAS LIKE SOME CLAUSES WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO, UM, CERTAIN BUSINESSES COULDN'T OPEN NEARBY. 
          SO THAT, AND I, I, I WILL TELL YOU, I WAS LIKE, I DIDN'T LIKE THAT IDEA BECAUSE THEN YOU, YOU'RE, YOU COULD BE SHUTTING OUT THE POTENTIAL FOR ANOTHER BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, COMPETING. 
          THEY HAD A NON-COMPETE, I THINK IS THEY, SO NON-COMPETES ARE PRETTY TRADITIONAL FOR, YOU KNOW, LARGE SHOPPING CENTERS AND STUFF. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY OBVIOUSLY, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT NON-COMPETE WOULD APPLY TO AN ADJOINING PROPERTY. 
          UM, THEY HAVE THEIR, THEIR ZONING AND BUYER RATES ON AN ARIAN HAS AN, THEY WILL WANT IT TO DO LIKE HUGE BUFFER. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          LIKE, NOBODY WITHIN HALF HUNDREDS OF FEET. 
          AND I WAS LIKE, DIDN'T HAVE CHICKEN OR SOMETHING. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS NO CHICKEN AND I WAS NOT WILLING THAT WAS ENOUGH. 
          THAT WAS IT. 
          AND WE DIDN'T GET THAT FAR ALONG REALLY IN THE NEGOTIATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
           MM-HMM. 
          , WHAT IS IT CURRENTLY ZONED? SO THE, THE, UH, THAT, SO EVERYTHING'S COMMERCIAL. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          WE REZONED THIS, WE DID REZONE THIS, UM, WHEN IT WAS STILL UNDER THE E D OWNERSHIP TO COMMERCIAL. 
          SO IT IS ALL COMMERCIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW IS IT ALL ZONED THE SAME? ALL YES. 
          ALL ZONED THE SAME COMMERCIAL EACH, EACH PARCEL SEAWATER. 
          OKAY. 
          I 
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JUST, I KNEW I HAD TAKEN A LOT OF NOTES THE LAST TIME MY CASE SPRINGS CAME UP IN THE JOINT LIAISON MEETING. 
          AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE WATER EARLIER AND I JUST FOUND, UH, THAT INFORMATION THAT I'VE HAD, UH, THE WARREN HERITAGE SOCIETY CONSIDERS BUILDER ROBERT MCKAY JR. 
          TO LIKELY BE THE FIRST SETTLER IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          AND UPWARDS OF A MILLION GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY, DEPENDING ON THE CLIMATIC CONDITIONS, FLOWS FROM THIS SPRING, WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN KNOWN TO DRY UP. 
          AND IT GOES ON TO HAVE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION RECREATION, UM, INFORMATION AND A LOT ABOUT THE COMPLEXITIES OF THE PATHWAYS OF WATER BELOW GROUND AND THIS, UH, LIMESTONE BEDROCK WATER BELOW THAT. 
          SO I'D BE WILLING TO SHARE ANY OF THAT WITH ANYBODY WHO WAS CURIOUS. 
          MCKAY'S ALSO, THEIR FAMILY HAS LIKE THEIR OWN WEBSITE THAT YOU CAN GO ON AS WELL MM-HMM. 
           FOR ALL THEIR HISTORY PROPERTY. 
          AND IT'S THAT IT'S GOT PHOTOS OF THE OLD HOMESTEAD AND EVERYTHING. 
          IT'S WHEN WE TAUGHT, UM, THERE WAS A TIME WE WERE IN FIFTH GRADE, WE HAD TO TEACH GEOGRAPHY MM-HMM. 
          , BUT THEN WE HAD TO DO, UH, LIKE A FOUR WEEK UNIT IN WARREN COUNTY GEOGRAPHY AND WE WOULD, WE SPENT LIKE A WEEK ON THE MCKAY. 
          SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY KIND OF INTERESTING. 
          BUT, UH, BUT MY THING IS I WOULD THINK THAT, THAT, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE PRIME LAND AS MORE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS OUT 5 22. 
          UM, I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, I I I'M NOT SAYING IF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED, WE SHOULDN'T LOOK AT IT, BUT I ALMOST FEEL LIKE TOO, LIKE MAYBE AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, WILL THAT LAND INCREASE IN VALUE WITH THE OR NO. 
          AND MY QUESTION IS, FOUNDATION FLOODING HASN'T BEEN A DETERRENT FOR ANYBODY. 
          THAT'S NO, LIKE I SAID, I MEAN THE FLOOD PLANE. 
          SO BASICALLY, AND I, I SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED A FLOOD MAP. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE, SHARE THE FLOODPLAIN MAPS WITH YOU. 
          UM, AGAIN, AND I THINK THIS, THIS HERE, WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS IDENTIFIES THE CURRENT FLOOD PLAIN LINE. 
          UM, AND THEN THIS DARK LINE WAS THE RE-ENGINEERED. 
          AND SO IT OBVIOUSLY WHEN THEY CAME IN AND DID THE FLOOD STUDY AND UH, UM, THEY DEFINE YOU THAT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY FLOOD FLOOD. 
          THERE'S A SPRING THAT FLOWS HERE. 
          SO THEY'VE IDENTIFIED THAT AREA THAT'S NOT ON THE CURRENT MAPS, BUT THEN THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME EARTH WORK DONE HERE TO ATTAIN THIS, UH, TO OBTAIN THIS LAND BAY BEF THESE ARE ALREADY OUT OF THE FLOOD PLAIN NOW. 
          UM, AND SO, AND, AND I DON'T, IT WILL FLOOD. 
          IT OBVIOUSLY HAS IN THE PAST. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY CONCERN FOR THESE ROAD FRONTAGE PARCELS. 
          UM, IF YOU CAN GIMME A LITTLE HISTORY LESSON MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WHAT WAS THIS PRIOR MOU BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO? I BELIEVE IT'S IN, UH, IT'S IN THE PACKET AND IT, IT TALKS ABOUT THERE WAS EVEN ONE THAT PREDATED THAT. 
          UM, AND THE MOU WAS TO, HERE IT IS, YOU WANNA THAT SHIP COOPERATE. 
          YEAH. 
          PART OF IT WAS TO, UM, OBVIOUSLY MARKET IT. 
          THERE WAS ALSO SOME JOINT, UH, OWNERSHIP IN IT. 
          THERE WAS SOME BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENTS THAT CREATED THE PARCELS THAT YOU SEE TODAY. 
          SEE WHAT, AND THEN IT WAS AGAIN TO COOPERATE TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. 
          AND THERE'S TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE RUINS AND PROTECTING THAT, PROTECTING THE SPRING. 
          UM, IN THERE AS WELL. 
          IT, IT, THAT'S WHERE IT BEGAN TO IDENTIFY THIS HALF ACRE AROUND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK IT EVEN TALKS ABOUT WHAT THAT FUTURE MAINTENANCE WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT PARKS MAINTAINING THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE IT'S LIKE ACROSS THAT, THAT IS COMMERCIAL TOO, RIGHT? I MEAN, I, I'M JUST ACROSS 3 45 22. 
          NO, THIS SIDE. 
          UH, UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF RELI ROAD, THERE'S STILL SOME HOUSES IN THERE. 
          FUTURE LAND USES COMMERCIAL, A LOT OF THAT'S STILL R ONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          AND THEN ACROSS THE, BUT THERE'S ANYTHING OF THAT WASN'T THAT, OH, I APOLOGIZE. 
          YOU ARE CORRECT. 
          YEAH, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THERE IS, THERE IS THE SMALL LITTLE STRIP CENTER HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THERE IS STILL ANOTHER PAD SITE THAT IS FOR GROUND LEASE FOR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YES, THERE'S THE VET BELLONE AND EDWARD JONES, I THINK I'D SAY THAT NAME AND THE CEDARVILLE VET BEAR CLINIC. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YES. 
          I THINK IF I, I, AND I'M SURE THAT ANYBODY THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT WOULD LOOK AT TRAFFIC STUDY AND STUFF LIKE THAT COME OFF A RELIANCE ROAD. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M TRYING TO THINK. 
          YEAH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A, A REZONING APPLICATION IN, I, I THINK IT WAS TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. 
          THAT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, THAT'S GOING TO, IT WAS JUST, UH, PLANNING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL WHERE THEY'VE TABLED IT, BUT THAT ALSO HAS COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS TO IT. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT FUTURE LANDUS, THIS IS KIND OF ALMOST THE END OF OUR COMMERCIAL AS YOU GO UP THE CORRIDOR, ONCE YOU GET BEYOND ROCKLAND ROAD, YOU REALLY TRANSITION INTO THE INDUSTRIAL SPACE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, OUTSIDE OF SOME OF THAT ON THE LEFT NEAR BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS. 
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BUT FOR THE MOST PART, ONCE YOU GET PAST THIS, YOU RUN INTO INDUSTRIAL. 
          SO THIS IS OUR TRUE LAST BIT OF COMMERCIAL AS YOU GO. 
          AND, AND THEN YOU REALLY CHANGE YOUR PROCESSION WHEN YOU GO OUT. 
          SO, SO HAVE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT THIS LAND OTHER THAN WHAT WE JUST BROUGHT UP BEFORE OR, WELL, THIS CAME TO, UH, UM, I'M THE ON, I'M THE ONLY ONE ON THIS COUNCIL THAT CAME TO US WHEN I FIRST WAS ON MM-HMM. 
           COUNCIL. 
          BUT, BUT AT THAT TIME, TERENCE SAID IT BEST, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE INTERESTED, THERE WERE, UH, UH, THERE WERE, THERE WERE HURDLES IN THE CONTRACT, BUT I THINK THAT PEOPLE WERE, THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF THIS THAT, THIS, THAT, AND REALLY, THAT WAS QUITE HONESTLY RIGHT IN THE THROWS OF THE PANDEMIC. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE SUMMER 2020 KIND OF TIME. 
          SO, UM, AND THEN PEOPLE STOPPED TALKING ABOUT IT AND I, I, I ASSUMED THAT THE INTERESTS THAT THE INTEREST HAD DIED OFF OR THAT THERE WAS REALLY, NOBODY KNEW WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN AT THAT TIME WITH THE ECONOMY AND STUFF. 
          SO, UM, I MEAN, I, I, I KNOW EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL OTHER THAN AMBER, THIS WOULD BE ALL NEW INFORMATION FOR THEM. 
          SO I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT I THINK THAT OUR COUNCIL HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON DIRECTION, UM, PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, EDUCATING, UM, THEM ON THIS TOO. 
          LIKE THIS PRESENTATION MIGHT BE GOOD FOR US TO HAVE, IF WE WERE GONNA SHARE WITH COUNSEL TOO, MAYBE YOU COULD EVEN SHARE WITH COUNSEL OF, UH, YEAH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION. 
          KEEP, YOU KNOW, AS LONG, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT, KEEP IT MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK AND STUDIES AND THINGS ALREADY DONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO EVEN IF WE'RE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, IF WE CAN AGREE TO EITHER OWNERSHIP OR BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENTS, AGAIN TO MAKE THESE, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL MARKETABLE SITES, CUZ THAT'S THE OTHER CHALLENGE NOW, TRYING TO MARKET A SITE THAT'S JOINTLY OWNED AND YOU'RE DEALING WITH MULTIPLE, YOU KNOW, TWO PARTIES, BUT THEN YOU'RE CROSSING BOUNDARIES AND YOU KNOW, EXISTING RIGHT OF WAYS. 
          SO EVEN MOVING FORWARD WITH, WITH, AND, AND, AND JEREMY, JUST TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER BACKGROUND PIECE OF THAT MM-HMM. 
           AT THE SAME TIME THAT THIS WAS BEING DISCUSSED AT THAT TIME, WE WERE ALSO PRETTY HOT AND HEAVY INTO TALK, YOU KNOW, THE LAWSUIT AND STUFF LIKE THAT MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO I THINK AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME, PEOPLE WERE JUST STALLED ALMOST LIKE, CUZ THEY DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN. 
          IT COULD BE THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE LAND, BUT, UM, BUT, BUT WHEN DID THE, WHEN DID THE E D A, UM, WHEN DID THE E D A SIGN THAT OVER TO THE COUNTY? THE BLUE PIECE, WHAT ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO? YEAH, I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS RIGHT AT THAT TIME, WASN'T IT? RIGHT AROUND APPROXIMATELY? YEAH. 
          UH, THE BOARD HAS MET ON THIS SEVERAL TIMES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT WAS DISCUSSED, UH, WITH MR. TEDRICK AND THEN DISCUSSED WITH MR. HICKS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE WILL SEND JOE THE APPRAISALS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THE PHILOSOPHY IS THE PUBLIC SHOULD NOT OWN PROPERTY THAT'S NOT NEEDED FOR PUBLIC USE. 
          IF IT'S NOT NEEDED FOR PUBLIC USE, WE SHOULD DISPOSE OF IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE'RE INTERESTED IN BUYING IT, WE'RE INTERESTED IN SELLING IT, WHICHEVER THE TOWN WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GET SOMEBODY TO MOVE IT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          WHICHEVER WAY YOU LIKE, GET IT BACK ON THE TAX ROLL. 
          YES. 
          WELL FOR THE COUNTY, BUT I MEAN, I WAS GONNA SAY CUZ IT'S, IT WOULD BE COUNTY. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, BUT THERE MIGHT BE TAX BENEFIT. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          WHAT'D YOU SAY, JOE? WE WOULD ALL BENEFIT. 
          I, I KNOW THAT I'M WITH YOU, BUT YEAH, I, I STILL THINK IT LOOKS LIKE A GREAT MM-HMM. 
           YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR SOME COMMERCIAL. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY AS, YOU KNOW, LAKE FREDERICK'S NOT FAR. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GOT A LOT OF POTENTIAL. 
          SO I'VE CREATED SOME ESSENTIAL LIKE MARKETING COLLATERAL BROCHURES THAT TALK ABOUT ANNUAL TRAFFIC AND IT'S GOT THE LAYOUTS AND TALKS ABOUT THE OTHER, UH, COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT SURROUND IT. 
          UM, CUZ OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE RIGHT NEAR 66 AND IF YEAH. 
          IF YOU HAD THE RIGHT PERSON THERE, THEY DON'T CARE IF IT'S JUST THAT OTHER HALF MILE UP THE ROAD, THEY'RE GONNA GO THERE. 
          OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WELL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THAT CORNER WAS CEDARVILLE GROCERY FOREVER. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ROBINSONS OWNED IT AND I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY WENT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT LIVES OUT THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT, JOE, GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          JOE DID AND SKIP YES, GO AHEAD JOE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          JUST QUICK QUESTION, JOE. 
          UM, HOW QUICKLY DO 
          [02:55:01]
WE NEED TO MOVE ON THIS BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT AND OWNERSHIP? I MEAN, IS THERE ANY DEADLINE OR IS THERE ANY THOUGHT PROCESS MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS? AND SO, I MEAN THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE GET INTEREST. 
          THERE IS STILL A SIGN OUT THERE THAT SAYS FOR SALE, UM, THERE, UH, SO WE CONSISTENTLY STILL GET PEOPLE INTERESTED IN AND YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO MY JOB WHEN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR SITES, HEY, WE GOT THIS AVAILABLE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I'D SAY THE SOONER WE COULD DO IT, THE EASIER LEAD TO, TO UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS BECAUSE NOW THERE'S, THERE IS KIND OF THIS UNKNOWN IF SOMEBODY'S INTERESTED IN IT, WELL YOU'RE GONNA SIT BACK AND WAIT AS WE GET TO THIS PROCESS. 
          SO IF WE CAN START THIS DISCUSSION AND FIGURE IT OUT SOONER, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I, WE CAN GET IT ON. 
          SO IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S ABOUT A 15 ACRE PARCEL OR SO, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          HOW MUCH OF THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPABLE? I'D SAY SO, I MEAN THIS SITE HERE IS ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, BUT I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY AT LEAST FEASIBLE. 
          I MEAN, I THINK LEAST FEASIBLE. 
          THESE TWO ARE YOUR PRIMARY ONES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE ONES THAT GO QUICK, ESPECIALLY THE CORNER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THIS ONE WOULD REQUIRE WORK TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL FLOODPLAIN, YOU KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY PROBABLY GET ANOTHER SITE HERE. 
          UM, BUT YOU HAVE TO PROTECT THE, SO REALLY ABOUT A THIRD OF THAT, ABOUT A THIRD, YEAH. 
          IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, THIS BACK PART, IT'S ALL FLOOD PLAINS, SO THAT'S JUST OFF THE TABLE. 
          SO YEAH. 
          ABOUT A THIRD IS, IS THAT BE, THANK YOU. 
          PROBABLY NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST, I WAS ASKING COULD THAT BE LIKE A PARKING PARKING LOT BEHIND IT IN A FLOODPLAIN? NO. 
          YEAH, THEY, AGAIN, I THINK NOT ONLY IS IT, YOU KNOW, THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT IT IS CROOKED RUN. 
          YOU HAVE THE SPRING, THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, EXTRA PRIVATE BUFFERING THERE SO YOU'RE NOT CAUSING ANY CONTAMINATION OR SOMETHING. 
          AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY PUT ON THE CORNER UP THERE, THAT CAN BE A DRAW. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, THAT'S A SMALL ANCHOR ON THE CORNER. 
          YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? SO, WE'LL, SO WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO ADD THAT TO COUNSEL SOMEHOW SOON ON AN AGENDA SOON. 
          AND, AND, AND AGAIN, YOU MIGHT BE WILLING, YOU MIGHT, YEAH. 
          AND I, AND I'LL, YOU'D BE WILLING TO COME AND SHARE THE FLOOD MAP. 
          I, I SHARED THIS PRESENTATION TO HIS WASTE. 
          YOU GUYS CAN SHARE IT AMONGST YOURSELF AS WELL, BUT IF YOU GUYS NEED ANYTHING, DON'T HESITATE TO REACH OUT. 
          THE LAST ITEM IS, I GOT, I JUST GOT ONE QUESTION BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THE, THE THOUGHT THAT MAYBE IT COULD BE A SOURCE OF WATER YEAH. 
          BECAUSE OF YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOU DO MORE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE, YOU YOU COULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT IMPACT IT YEAH. 
          AS, AS BEING A SOURCE. 
          UH, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY THOUGHT PROCESSING BECAUSE IT'S SO LITTLE LAND. 
          UH, IS THERE SOME OTHER POTENTIAL LIKE USE FOR IT, UH, AS A AS MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WILD IDEA. 
          LIKE, UH, UH, LIKE THE MUSEUM OF WARREN COUNTY, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT COULD, COULD GO INTO, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT OUT WEST. 
          THEY, THEY DO THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, AND THEY TURN INTO TOURIST ATTRACTIONS. 
          IT'S LIKE CHEAP DRAMAS. 
          WELL, I, I HAVE TWO. 
          IT'S JUST A WILD RIDE IDEA. 
          I MEAN, IT'S JUST A WHILE LAWRENCE HAS MENTIONED THAT TOO, BUT , UM, , YOU'VE BEEN TALKING, I WAS LOOKING BACK AT HER GOING, OH WOW, THERE'S ANOTHER MCKAY HOME THAT'S ACROSS 5 22, UM, AT THE FRONT OF THE CISCO SITE THAT THE COUNTY OBTAINED OWNERSHIP OF THAT HOME DURING A REZONING WHEN CISCO CAME IN AND BUILT THEIR WAREHOUSE. 
          AND WE'VE SPOKEN WITH THE HERITAGE SOCIETY ABOUT, I'M HAVING A MUSEUM AND THERE IT WAS THE HOSPITAL DURING THE BATTLE FRONT WALL, I BELIEVE IS THE HISTORY OF THAT. 
          UM, BUT I'M NOT THE HISTORY OF GURU MATTIS , BUT, UM, BUT THIS SITE, I THINK THAT A GOOD IDEA AS WELL. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THAT THERE'S SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, I JUST, SOCIETY DOES HAVE GREAT IDEAS FOR THAT AS WELL. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS LEADING EARLIER, CUZ I KNOW WARREN COUNTY HAS ENACTED, UH, AND INVESTED SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES TO REDUCE THE RISK TO THAT SPRING. 
          SO, I MEAN, I I THINK IT'D BE, WOULD ALL BE REMISS TO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. 
          I AGREE. 
          I MEAN, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE OTHER MCKAY HOUSE. 
          I THINK IT'S ALSO JUST, IT'S A BALANCE OF ALSO PLANNING, LIKE WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES FOR COMMERCIAL AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAX BASE AND STUFF. 
          AND SO IF WE GIVE UP, YOU KNOW, OUR VALUABLE COMMERCIAL LAND, WHAT COULD BE GIVEN UP WHEN WE ALSO HAVE OTHER 
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RESOURCES. 
          BUT I THINK NUMBER ONE IS OBVIOUSLY PROTECTING THE WATER SOURCE IS ALWAYS GONNA BE IMPORTANT. 
          NOT FOR US, BUT, YOU KNOW, D EQ AND OTHER AGENCIES GONNA ENSURE THAT THAT IS, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO A LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT THE SPRING AND THE TOWN AND IT'S OWNERSHIP. 
          SO I GOTTA ALWAYS BE IN THE FOREFRONT AS WELL OF THAT DISCUSSION. 
          WE WILL ALWAYS, I THINK KEEP THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK ALSO DEPENDING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST DEVELOPED THE TWO SITES, WE DO HAVE THE REMAINING SITE, WE'RE PROTECTING THE RUINS. 
          AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S INVOLVED WITH THE, THE REMAINING PARCEL OF HOW WE ADDRESS THAT AS, AS A, WELL, THE TAX BASE COULD BE THERE IF THE TOURISM WERE MORE FOCUSED MM-HMM. 
          , BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT TAX BASE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT FUNNEL OF MONEY, BUT IT STILL SERVES THE SAME PURPOSE. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, I I, THE, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE MORE THAT I HAVE LEARNED ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, AND I KNOW BEV MCKAY IS ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN CLARK COUNTY, THAT WAS HIS FAMILY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND HE, AND HE HAS SHARED WITH US AT VARIOUS MEETINGS ABOUT THIS MCKAY HOME AND THAT THE ORIGIN, BUT IT IS THOUGHT TO BE THE VERY, IT'S IT'S THOUGHT TO BE THE BIRTH OF WARREN DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          IT IS HERE. 
          IT'S WOW. 
          WHAT COULD WE DO WITH IT AND WHAT COULD WE, LIKE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AN AGRITOURISM KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BREWERY OR SOMETHING. 
          ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING JUST MORE RUSTIC THAT WE COULD TOUR AND MAINTAIN THE, THE HISTORY OF IT. 
          I CUZ ONCE YOU DO THAT, WE'RE GOING BACK ONCE IT'S GONE. 
          YEP. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND THE WAY THAT THE WATER'S BEEN CAPTURED AND FOR HOW LONG IT'S BEEN RESERVED UNDER THERE. 
          IF YOU GUYS GO TO THE WEBSITE, LIKE JOE DIRECTED YOU GUYS TO EARLIER, YOU CAN SEE IT IS ACTUALLY I SAID IN THE REGION, I JUST CHECKED IT WHEN I READ THE OTHER STUFF. 
          IT'S KNOWN TO BE ONE OF THE PUREST IN THE STATE, ONE OF THE PARIS WATER SOURCES IN THE STATE. 
          WELL, AND THAT'S WHERE THE SETTLERS, THAT'S WHY THEY CAME HERE. 
          YEP. 
          I CAN SHARE THE LINK WITH THE OTHER STUFF TOO. 
          YEP. 
          SO EVERYBODY CAN TAKE A LOOK. 
          WE MAKE GREAT BEER. 
          MOON,  MOON. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THE, NOW THE LAST ITEM THAT WE, THE LAST ITEM WE HAD FOR THIS EVENING WAS THE TO SHARE, AND THIS ISN'T ON THE AGENDA, WE ADDED THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THIS YEAH, NO, I WAS TELLING THE OTHERS WASN'T, THIS IS ON THE AGENDA YOU GOT, BUT WE ADDED THIS. 
          SO, SO THIS IS NOT MY PRESENTATION. 
          THIS WAS THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS GIVEN BY THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY E D A. 
          THEY HAVE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE, UH, MADE UP OF JORDAN MARTIN AND SCOTT JENKINS. 
          I COULD ASSIST WITH THIS. 
          SO LIKE, I THINK I, I KIND OF KNOW. 
          SO I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THEM. 
          THEY ARE THEIR OWN BOARD. 
          YOU CAN WATCH THEIR PRESENTATION, BUT I WILL GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THEIR PRESENTATION WAS ABOUT. 
          UM, SO THEY ARE EXPLORING OPTIONS OF WHAT TO DO, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE AZTECS PROPERTY AS A WHOLE. 
          BUT THIS PRESENTATION IS SOLELY ABOUT THE CONSERVANCY SIDE AND THE CONSERVANCY SIDE. 
          AND THIS, THIS IS PHOTO WAS TAKEN BY MYSELF FROM THE FIRST OVERLOOK, ONCON DROPS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THIS PARCEL THAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE, UM, WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. 
          UM, AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THEIR AGENDA THAT THEY, THEY LAID OUT, UM, TO KIND OF PROVIDE THAT BACKGROUND OF, OF WHERE, WHERE IT STARTED AND KIND OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY WE ALL KNOW ABOUT AFEC, I WOULD HOPE AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, AND WHAT THEY DID THERE, AND, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WHAT CAME UP FROM THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY CLOSED IN 89. 
          THEY WERE ONE OF THE LARGEST GROUND FACTORIES IN THE COUNTRY. 
          AND THIS IS POSTCARD WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. 
          AND THIS WAS ACTUALLY ON THE PLANT SIDE. 
          HERE'S THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND THIS IS THE, THE CONSERVANCY SIDE. 
          AND SO THEN AGAIN, HERE'S ANOTHER MAP THAT SHOWS THE APTEX PROPERTY, UM, AS A WHOLE. 
          AND THAT'S PART OF THAT RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL COVENANTS THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH. 
          AND IT, THAT IS OWNED BY THE D A OUTSIDE OF THIS PARCEL. 
          THIS IS OWNED BY IT FEDERAL. 
          THE POLICE STATION WAS ALSO PART OF THIS ORIGINALLY, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOW OWNED BY THE TOWN. 
          BUT E D A OWNS THIS FOUR ACRE PIECE HERE AND THIS THREE ACRE PARCEL WHERE THEIR OFFICES IS, THIS IS THE PLANT SIDE, THIS IS THE CONSERVANCY SIDE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 240 ACRES. 
          AND THEN THIS IS, UM, RIVERMONT ACRES AND FIDDLER SCREEN, UH, UM, POA OVER THERE. 
          AND ALL THESE YELLOW LOTS, THE EED ON THOSE, THE LITTLE GAPS ARE PRIVATELY HELD PROPERTIES. 
          BUT AGAIN, THE MAIN FOCUS IS ON THE CONSERVANCY SIDE. 
          THE CONSERVANCY SIDE IS THE MORE CONTAMINATED AREA, AND IT'S RESTRICTED HERE ARE JUST A SNAPSHOT OF THE 
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COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS, BUT IT'S RESTRICTED TO CONSERVANCY AND OPEN SPACE THAT INCLUDE HIKING, BIKING, AND NATURE TRAILS. 
          AND IT'S VERY DEFINED IN WHERE THOSE TRAILS CAN ACTUALLY GO AND WHERE PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY GO. 
          UM, AND SO OBVIOUSLY AGAIN, IT CLOSED IN 89, UM, AND AS SOON AS THE CLOSURE, THE COMMUNITY BEGAN TO WONDER WHAT WAS GONNA COME OF THAT PROPERTY. 
          YOU KNOW, IT WAS AN ECONOMIC ENGINE OF THE COMMUNITY FOR SO LONG. 
          AND SO WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN. 
          AND SO IN 93 THEN THE FRONT ROYAL PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT KIND OF LED THIS PLAN FOR PARKS, TRAILS, BATH, UM, BIKE PATHS IN GREENWAYS WHERE THE MOUNTAINS MEET THE RIVER. 
          AND IT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THERE AND THEY DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT FUTURE WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          THEY KNEW THAT IT WAS LIKELY TO BE OPEN SPACE, BUT THEY ENVISIONED THIS TRAIL THAT WOULD RUN ALONG THE RIVER. 
          AND THEY ALSO ENVISIONED ALL THESE OTHER TRAILS AND PARKS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN. 
          SO IF YOU'VE NEVER SEEN THIS 93 PLANE, IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT BECAUSE IT IS STILL RELATIVE TODAY. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LEACH RUN PARKWAY BACK THEN , UM, BUT THEN ALL OF THE OTHER TRAILS THAT WOULD CONNECT YOU THROUGH TOWN AND SIDEWALKS AND LIKE, SO IT IS, IT IS WORTH TAKING A LOOK AT IF YOU'VE NEVER SEEN IT, ESPECIALLY FROM A TOWN PERSPECTIVE. 
          UM, AND THEN IN 2000 THERE WAS THE, UH, A BIG STAKEHOLDER COMMITTEE THAT CAME TOGETHER TO CREATE THE CONSERVANCY MASTER PLAN. 
          AND THIS IS THE ILLUSTRATIVE PLAN THAT THEY CAME UP WITH IN 2000. 
          UM, IT'S, I'M NOT TO SAY THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU CAN DO, BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY WERE THINKING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE WITH THIS PROPERTY. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS IN 2000, THIS IS WHEN THE REMEDIATION BEGAN AND THE WATER PLANT THAT IS THERE TODAY THAT IS TREATING THE GROUNDWATER WENT ONLINE, I BELIEVE 2014, UM, 2015. 
          AND SO THAT JUST SHOWS HOW LONG IT TOOK TO EVEN GET TO THIS POINT. 
          SO THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE IN 2000. 
          AND SO THE, THESE WERE KIND OF SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT TOOK PART. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU HAD TOWN, COUNTY, LITTLE LEAGUE YOUTH SOCCER, YOU KNOW, D E Q, THE VIRGINIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          EVERYBODY WAS KIND OF INVOLVED, INCLUDING THE COMMUNITY. 
          THEY HAD MULTIPLE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ALL AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER FOR THOSE ONE OR TWO MEETINGS FOR Y'ALL. 
          THERE'S A WHOLE DIORAMA IN THE HALLWAY THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME. 
          I WALK BY IT EVERY DAY AND I SEE SOMETHING NEW. 
          I ENCOURAGE YOU TO KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          IT'S, IT'S ANOTHER GREAT PIECE OF HISTORY THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND SO AS PART OF THAT CONSERVANCY MASTER PLAN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO A LUXURY PLAN, THEY KIND OF CAME UP WITH THIS, UM, IT IDENTIFIED DIFFERENT PROGRAM AREAS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED HERE. 
          TRAILS, UH, HABITAT AREAS, INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE AND, AND BASIN AREAS. 
          AND AS PART AT THE COUNTY BEGAN ITS PROCESS IN UNDERSTANDING HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS, UH, HAPPEN FROM A COUNTY PERSPECTIVE. 
          UH, WE'VE WORKED ON, WE'VE WORKED WITH OUR, UM, CONTRACTORS TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE OUR OWN CONCEPT PLAN OF MAKING THIS WORK. 
          WE HAD, UH, BUDGET DONE IN 2017. 
          UH, THOSE ARE ALSO 2017 NUMBERS, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT PHASING THIS PROJECT. 
          AND SO WE'VE COME UP WITH THIS PATH THAT WOULD COME THROUGH. 
          IT'S ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILES THAT WOULD RUN FROM EASTON PARK TO THE NORTH AND COME OUT ON KENDRICK LANE AND IT WOULD RUN ADJACENT TO THE RIVER. 
          AND CURRENTLY OUR PLAN IS TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING ROADS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY AND WE WOULD PHASE IT, SO THAT WOULD SAVE US MONEY. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO SOME ARPA FUNDS THAT WERE DEDICATED TO THE TOURISM GROUP OF $92,000, WHICH HAS TO BE USED BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT THEY INCLUDED THAT TALKS ABOUT, UM, THE BENEFITS OF HAVING OPEN SPACE. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THIS PROCESS WE FEEL. 
          AND IF WE WERE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, UM, WE FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD HELP BENEFIT THE REMAINING PARCELS THAT ARE PRIMED FOR REDEVELOPMENT. 
          RIGHT NOW, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, 300 SOME ACRES THAT WE CAN'T TOUCH. 
          BUT AS SOON AS WE BEGIN TO OPEN IT UP AND ENGAGE PEOPLE WITH IT AND MAKE THEM, YOU KNOW, LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS SAFE, UM, IT WILL GENERATE BETTER ACTIVITY FOR THE PLANT SIDE ACROSS THE STREET OR ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS PER HOPEFUL REDEVELOPMENT THERE. 
          AND AS LAUREN TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT WEST MAIN CONNECTOR AND THEN THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE, THIS IS LONGBRIDGE PARK IN ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA. 
          UM, IT WAS A BROWNFIELD SITE, UH, A LOT OF CONTAMINATION THERE THAT THEY'VE CAPPED, THEY'VE PUT IN, YOU KNOW, HIGH QUALITY, UM, ATHLETIC FIELDS. 
          IT HAS AN ESPLANADE WALKING PATH. 
          I MEAN IT'S STATE-OF-THE-ART FACILITY. 
          IT'S ALSO ADJACENT TO A RAILROAD TRACK SIMILAR TO THIS. 
          UM, 
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IT'S ALSO CLOSE TO, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE POTOMAC RIVER FROM IT. 
          AND THEN THEY RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED THE LONG BRIDGE AQUATICS AND FITNESS FACILITY TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, THERE WE GO. 
          UM, SO REALLY WHAT THE ED IS LOOKING TO DO IS THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONVEY THIS PROPERTY OVER TO THE COUNTY. 
          AND THE REASON THEY TALKED ABOUT CONVEYING IT TO THE COUNTY IS BECAUSE THE COUNTY MANAGES PARKS AND RECREATION. 
          THAT WAS THE SOLE PURPOSE AND THAT WE WANT TO GET THIS TRAIL DONE. 
          IT SHOULD BE WITH THE ORGANIZATION THAT MANAGES OUR TRAILS CURRENTLY, EASTON PARK TO THE SOUTH AND THEN THROUGH IT. 
          SO THE IDEA WAS TO PRESENT TO THE BOARD, WHICH THEY'VE DONE TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING IF THE BOARD EVEN HAD THE APPETITE TO TAKE THIS ON. 
          UM, AS PART OF THAT, WE ARE GAUGING STAKEHOLDERS AT THIS TIME. 
          MS. LOGAN AND I HAD A CALL LAST FRIDAY WITH, UM, FMC WHO MANAGES THE REMEDIATION ON THE PROPERTY. 
          AND PARSONS, WHO IS THEIR CONTRACTOR, WHO DOES THE REMEDIATION AND THE EPA, THEY ARE ALL SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT, BUT THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          UM, BUT THEN OBVIOUSLY ENGAGING THE TOWN, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO TALK TO DQ AND THERE'LL BE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WILL HAVE TO PROBABLY ENGAGE ALONG THE WAY. 
          UM, CONVEYING THE LAND. 
          IF, IF THE BOARD, UM, OF SUPERVISORS IS OPEN TO IT AND EVERYTHING WORKS, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONVEY THAT TO THE COUNTY TO REALIZE THIS RECREATION CONSERVANCY USE. 
          THEY WOULD LIKE TO CREATE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY IDENTIFY THESE PRIORITIES, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY STARTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT PHASING MIGHT LOOK LIKE TO, TO SEE IF THAT MASTER PLAN IS ACTUALLY WE CAN DO WHAT IT SAYS. 
          AND THEN OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE ARPA FUND STUFF, WE WOULD LIKE TO START IMPLEMENTING THIS PLAN BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. 
          I KNOW WE OPERATE, YOU KNOW, FISCAL YEAR, UH, JULY ONE TO JUNE 30. 
          THIS IS, UH, SPREAD OUT IN A CALENDAR YEAR. 
          AND SO THEN I'M JUST GONNA QUICKLY BACK UP TO HERE TO JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS. 
          IF IT WERE TO BE COM, IF THE COUNTY WERE TO ACCEPTING, WERE TO BE CONVEYED, REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE EPA. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, PHASE ONE WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE CONNECTING IT TO THE EXISTING TRAIL HERE. 
          AND WE WOULD HAVE TO DEVELOP A TRAIL TO THIS POINT. 
          AT THIS POINT IT WOULD LINK IN WITH AN EXISTING ROAD NETWORK THAT TRAVELS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY AND IT IS A GRAVEL ROAD THAT THEY USE TO REMEDIATE THE SITE AND IT WOULD FOLLOW ALONG. 
          IT GOES AROUND THIS, WHAT THEY SAY, MEADOW HABITAT AND THEN COME BACK TO THE RIVER AND THEN FOLLOW THE RIVER THIS WAY, THEN EXITING OUT, UM, IN THE ADJOINING PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN THE KENDRICK LANE, THERE'S ALREADY A BOX CULVERT BRIDGE. 
          THERE'S A HUGE RAVINE RIGHT HERE AND THERE'S A BOX CULVERT BRIDGE THERE. 
          BUT PHASE ONE IS THIS CONSTRUCTION AND THEN UTILIZING THE EXISTING ROAD. 
          PHASE TWO WOULD BE TO MAKE THE NORTHERN CONNECTION. 
          AND THEN PHASE THREE WOULD THEN BE TO IMPLEMENT, THERE IS A TRAIL ALL THE WAY ALONG THE RIVER. 
          IT WOULD NOT BE AN ADA COMPLIANT TRAIL. 
          IT IS MORE OF A NATURE TRAIL, BUT IT EXISTS TODAY. 
          UH, THEY HAD TO CUT THAT ROAD BED IN, IT'S BASICALLY A GRA A GRASS PATH, BUT THEY CUT THAT ROAD BED IN DURING A REMEDIATION CUZ THEY HAD TO DIG WELLS ALONG THE RIVER. 
          AND SO THE TRAIL WAS THERE. 
          SO WE WOULD LOOK TO IMPLEMENT THAT. 
          AND THEN FUTURE PHASES MIGHT BE PAVING THE ROADS OR PAVING THE TRAILS. 
          WE'D LIKE TO DO INTERPRETIVE SIGNS. 
          AND THEN ULTIMATELY I THINK EVEN LONGER RANGE WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY MAKE A CONNECTION ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS. 
          UM, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE RAILROAD EARLIER, THAT IS A CHALLENGE AND OF ITSELF. 
          UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO UTILIZE EXISTING ENTRANCES AND EXITS OUT OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND THIS IS, UH, ED WAS JUST GAINING THE APPETITE FROM THE BOARD. 
          UM, IT WAS A WORK SESSION, SO NO DECISIONS WERE MADE AT THAT POINT. 
          I THINK THEY STILL OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO DISCUSS IT. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY OPEN TO ANY DISCUSSIONS. 
          THEY'D BE HAPPY TO COME PRESENT THE TOWN COUNCIL ABOUT IT, UM, BECAUSE THEY DO FEEL LIKE THIS IS IN TOWN. 
          UM, AND IT DOES IMPACT OBVIOUSLY, TOWN RESIDENTS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I FEEL KIND OF PERSONALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT MYSELF IF YOU DON'T KNOW ME, BUT THIS, UH, CONNECT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY'S BEEN SITTING A LONG TIME. 
          EPA IS DOING THEIR FIVE YEAR REPORT. 
          THEY DO FIVE YEAR REPORTS. 
          THEY'RE DOING THAT THIS YEAR TO EVALUATE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY. 
          THAT'S NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO BE THERE. 
          UM, BUT AS I TOLD THE ROLE EXAMINER AND SHARED THE ARTICLE WITH THEM ON THE WEBSITE, THE EPA HAS ALL THE DATA AND IT SAYS THAT IT, IT'S SAFE. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T THERE EVERY DAY. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK WE WERE, THE BIGGEST THING IS SECURITY, SAFETY AND SECURITY OF 
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THE PEOPLE, UM, THAT THEY DON'T EXIT. 
          AND REALLY IT'S NOT THAT THEY WOULD BE ENTERING ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE HARMFUL. 
          THERE'S JUST A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THERE AS PART OF THAT REMEDIATION THAT IS VERY EXPENSIVE IF IT GETS DAMAGED. 
          AND SO WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE WANDERING AND BREAKING THINGS THAT COULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          UM, WE WANT THEM TO STAY ON THE TRAIL. 
          SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE EPA TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE COST IMPLICATIONS WOULD BE. 
          BUT FMC, UM, IS THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR MAINTAINING IT. 
          UM, WE WOULD ONLY MAINTAIN THE TRAIL AND THEY DO NOT HAVE AN END LIFE YET. 
          THEY WOULD, THE EPA DID NOT GIVE US ANY END TIMELINE OF HOW LONG THEY WILL BE THERE. 
          SO THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE ASK IS UNDERSTANDING THE APPETITE TO DO THIS. 
          UM, THIS IS WHAT THE, UH, FROM WARREN COUNTY ED IS LOOKING TO DO. 
          UM, THEY JUST THINK THAT THIS IS THE FIRST STEP TO REALLY GET IT THERE. 
          AND WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE OTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE TO US TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. 
          THERE ARE LOTS OF BRANDS, YOU KNOW, THIS TRAIL WOULD CONNECT NEIGHBORHOODS TO SCHOOLS, SERVICES AND TO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S PLENTY OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP US GET THIS DONE. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO ANSWER THEM OR RELAY THOSE TO THE ED AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE THE PRESENTATION DIRECTLY FROM THEM, HAPPY TO COORDINATE. 
          SO THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU WERE SAYING THAT'S THEY OR EQUIPMENT AND, AND STRUCTURES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING WHEN YOU SAID THERE'S NO TIMELINE AS TO WHEN THAT WILL BE GONE? SO THERE'S WELLS ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT ARE FOR TESTING OR THEY PUMP TO THE WATER STATION. 
          AND THEN, AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, TAM'S ON THE CALLS TOO, AND THIS IS WHAT'S BEEN EXPLAINED TO US AND WE'VE TOURED THE SITE, WHICH WAS KIND OF AMAZING IN ITSELF, BUT THEY CAP THE OLD BASINS WITH THE MEMBRANE AND THEN THEY HAVE THESE VENT PIPES THAT VENT OUT. 
          AND THAT IS THE, THE, IF YOU WERE TO THE FEAR IS SAY SOMEBODY WERE TO TAKE A DIRT BIKE OR A FOUR-WHEELER AND TRESPASS ONTO IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THING, NO MOTORIZED VEHICLES, THIS IS FOR WALKING AND BIKING. 
          BUT IF SOMEBODY WERE TO DO THAT AND THEY HIT ONE OF THESE VENT PIPES AND IT DAMAGED THE MEMBRANE UNDER THE GROUND, IT COULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE TO FIX THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING TO THEN, YOU KNOW, DIG THIS UP AND, AND FIX IT. 
          SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE, THERE'S WELLS OBVIOUSLY AROUND THE SITE TO THE FACILITY ITSELF WHERE THE WATER PLAN IS, IT'S FENCED OFF AND THAT IS A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT. 
          UM, SO REALLY IT'S ABOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEIR SECURITY AND SAFETY PROTOCOLS WOULD BE TO CREATE A BARRIER BETWEEN THE TRAIL AND WHERE PEOPLE CAN AND CAN'T GO. 
          AND THEN OBVIOUSLY BY NOT ALSO DISRUPTING THEIR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THERE AS PART OF THE CONSENT DECREE THAT FMC IS RESPONSIBLE. 
          PERFECT RESPONSIBLE FISCAL AGENT FOR THIS WOULD BE THE EPA. 
          SO JOE, JUST FOR STRUCTURAL PURPOSES, I MEAN, UM, I ALREADY MENTIONED THIS AT THE , UH, NOTHING MORE REALLY THAN LIKE A PICNIC SHELTER WOULD EVER BE CONSIDERED. 
          I MEAN YEAH. 
          STRUCTURES THEMSELVES, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN SHOWS, UH, PICNIC SHELTERS AND THINGS. 
          UH, I BELIEVE THE COVENANTS DO ALLOW SOME RECREATIONAL KIND OF COMPONENTS, BUT ANY EXCAVATION RIGHT, OR ANYTHING IS KIND OF PROHIBITIVE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE FOCUSING ON WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. 
          THE ROADS ARE THERE. 
          CAN WE JUST UTILIZE THOSE ROADS AND WORK FROM THAT? NO, WE'RE NOT DISTURBING ANY ADDITIONAL LAND. 
          THEY'RE STRUCTURALLY SOUND. 
          THEY HAVE GREAT BASES FROM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS EXPLAINED. 
          I MEAN, THESE DUMP TRUCKS WERE HAULING DIRT IN AND OUT OF THERE. 
          SO WE WOULD LIKE TO USE WHAT'S ALREADY IN EXISTENCE. 
          WELL THERE'S A SIMILAR, UH, SETTING TO THIS IN CLARK COUNTY WHERE I USED TO LIVE WHERE THE SHIN, UH, THE OLD GOLF COURSE AT SHINDER RETREAT WAS TURNED OVER TO SHE UNIVERSITY AND THEY OPERATED AS A NATURE SANCTUARY, IF YOU WILL. 
          THEY KEEP THE, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GOLF CART PASSERS STILL THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT A COUPLE SHELTERS AND PEOPLE JUST USE IT JUST JUST FOR THIS. 
          UM, THEY GO DOWN AND, AND JUST HIKE AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UH, THE STUDENTS OF SHANDOO UNIVERSITY ARE NOT MISTAKEN. 
          THEY ACTUALLY MAINTAIN IT. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE ARE OTHER OPP THERE ARE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF SHANDOO UNIVERSITY OR LORD FAIRFAX OR WHAT IT'S CALLED NOW, UH, I DON'T RIDGE LAUREL RIDGE. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T LORD FAIRFAX. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, UM, PARTNERSHIPS WITH THEM OR MAYBE, MAYBE AN OPTION TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S AN EXAMPLE. 
          I MEAN, BUT THAT'S A VERY SIMILAR SETTING AS TO WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT HERE. 
          AND I THINK YEAH, WE'RE WITHOUT THE POLLUTION STUFF, YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ANY AVAILABLE OPTION 
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THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE AN ADDITIONAL COST TO OUR LOCAL TAXPAYERS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART AND THAT'S WHY WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS PHASING ASPECT OF IT, USING WHAT WE GOT, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE BEEN THERE AND THE TRAILS AND STUFF ARE THERE. 
          SO JOE DOES THE FMC CORPORATION WHO OWNED THIS, WHO CONTAMINATED IT MM-HMM. 
           , ARE THEY PAYING FOR ANY OF THIS OR IS THIS ALL FROM GREEN? THEDA OWNS IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OWNS THE, OWNS IT. 
          THEY, THE E D PURCHASED IT. 
          ED OWNS IT. 
          OKAY. 
          IN 2000 FOR $60,000. 
          AND THE TOWN IN THE COUNTY MARKED THEIR, UH, PAST DUE TAXES AS PAID. 
          THAT'S THE REAL ESTATE CONTRACT STATES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE, WE FRONT WORLD, WARREN COUNTY E D A OWNS IT. 
          UM, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, PEOPLE ON THAT EPA, THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, E D A TOWN, COUNTY FMC, APTEX TRUSTEES. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT DOCUMENT. 
          I THOUGHT THAT JOE, I THOUGHT THAT CUZ I HAVING A MEETING WITH THE ED IN THE PAST, I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE TOLD THAT ANY PROCEEDS FROM THE OTHER PARCELS CORRECT. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO GIVE TO F SO. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THE REAL, THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          THE, YOUR, SO THE REAL ESTATE CONTRACT SPECIFIES THE FORMULA. 
          UM, ANYTHING THAT IS RECREATIONAL CONSERVANCY DOES NOT HAVE A FAIR MARKET VALUE. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S NO EXCHANGE. 
          UM, SO IT'S NOT THE, WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT. 
          I MEAN, WE WILL PAY FOR CLO YOU KNOW, LEGAL FEES TO RECORD AND SUCH. 
          ANYTHING THAT IS OF COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL, THERE IS A FORMULA THAT IS APPLIED THAT IF THE EED WERE TO SELL IT, THEY'D GET A CERTAIN PORTION. 
          THE FEX TRUSTEE GETS A PORTION, THE EPA AND THE FMC AND UM, I WOULD HAVE TO READ IT. 
          SO IT DON'T WANNA BE, BUT THEY, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FORMULA WHO GETS WHAT. 
          AND THAT'S TO RECOUP THE COST, I GUESS TO, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT THE ED'S PORTION I BELIEVE IS 10%, BUT I CAN GET YOU THAT EXACT NUMBER AND I THINK IT IS 10% OF THE PROCEEDS. 
          BUT THIS PARCEL, WE, THE E D, THE FRONT ROW, WARREN COUNTY E D A OWNS THIS PARCEL. 
          THEY OWN LIKE ALL OF THIS EXCEPT THE IT FEDERALS SITE, THE 30 ACRES, IT'S IT FEDERAL. 
          THEY OWN ALL OF THIS THAT IS IN THEIR NAME AND IT WAS PART OF THAT CONTRACT. 
          I DID NOT KNOW THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, THEY SOLD THE LAND FOR THE POLICE STATION TO THE OKAY. 
          AND 20 TEENS I THINK ASK THE QUESTION. 
          UM, YOU MAY HAVE SHARED IT, YOU SHOWED US THE TIMELINE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 23, BUT YOU TALK ABOUT PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, WHAT'S THE LENGTH OF PHASE ONE? PHASE ONE? YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL OF THE, IT'S ALL OF THE, UH, WALKING SPACES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO PHASE ONE, I THINK, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT TARA AND I WERE JUST KIND OF TALKING WITH THE, AND WE'VE SENT IT TO THE EPA AND WHAT WE WERE THINKING. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          PHASE ONE IN OUR MIND IS REALLY MAKING THE CONNECTION FROM EASTON PARK TO HERE. 
          THAT HAS TO BE DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S NOT, THERE'S A KIND OF A FOOT FOOTPATH THROUGH THERE NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          ONCE WE GET TO THIS POINT, THEN WE WOULD TAP INTO THE EXISTING ROADS. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW MANY MILES IS THAT? WHAT'S THE LA YEAH, THIS PART HERE IS PROBABLY ABOUT A THIRD OR MAYBE A HALF A MILE THROUGH HERE. 
          IT'S KIND OF, THIS IS LIKE A PARKING LOT HERE FOR THE BOAT LANDING AND THEY'RE SHOWING IT AS TREES. 
          UM, CAN YOU POINT TO THE PART TO THE SOCCER PLEX? THE SOCCER PLEXES HERE. 
          UM, THIS IS ED STUMP SOCCER PLEX. 
          UM, AND THEN THIS IS AN EXISTING RAILROAD CROSSING, BUT, SO YES, THIS, AND, AND AGAIN, THERE'S IN MOST OF THIS SITE, AGAIN, THIS TRAIL ALONG THE RIVER AND ACTUALLY ALL OVER THE PROPERTY, THERE ARE ROADS BASICALLY YOU CAN SEE THESE FOOT PATHS ALL OVER THE PROPERTY. 
          WE WOULDN'T BE TOUCHING THOSE, BUT THERE'S ONE THAT RUNS THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE RIVER. 
          SO PRETTY NOW WE WOULD USE, THEN WE WOULD USE, YOU CAN SEE THESE ROADS IS WHAT WE WOULD LOOK TO TAP INTO IN THE INITIAL PHASE. 
          SO WITH PHASE, WITH THE COMPLETION OF PHASE ONE, IS THAT A USABLE WALKING AREA? CORRECT. 
          IT WOULD, PHASE ONE WOULD BE AN INN OUT, UNFORTUNATELY, UNTIL WE CAN GET AND LET YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY PHASE TWO, BUT I'M TRYING TO BREAK IT IT DOWN AS SMALL AS SECTIONS AS I CAN TO BE AS CLEAR AS RESPONSIBLE. 
          BUT IT WOULD POP OUT HERE PHASE TWO AGAIN TO THAT EXISTING BOX CULVERT. 
          UM, BUT IT WOULD BE IN AND OUT IF, IF, IF THIS IS COMPLETED, IT'S ABOUT TWO AND A QUARTER MILES OF TRAIL ALONG 
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THE ROOF AFTER ALL THE PHASES. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          I DO JUST HOPE IF THE COUNTY HAS AN APPETITE FOR IT, THEN THEY'LL CONSIDER THE GROUNDSKEEPING FOR THE SCHOOLS AGAIN AS WELL. 
          WELL, THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          IT'S NOT, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH, NO. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, THIS IS, IT'S A, IT'S A LONG PROCESS I THINK STILL, BUT WE WANT TO, BUT IF THAT'S REALLY, WE GOTTA START THE ONLY USE THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THAT PART, THE ONLY POSSIBLE USE IS WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS THE ONLY USE. 
          SO IT'S EITHER DON'T USE IT OR USE IT. 
          AND IF WE DON'T DO IT, THEN IT JUST, IT WOULD BE, WE'RE JUST STILL SITTING WITH, GOSH, ALL THIS, YOU KNOW, THE LAST 20 YEARS, 20 YEARS. 
          IT JUST SITS THERE AND, AND YOU KNOW, UH, WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON, ON ENJOYING THE RIVER. 
          THIS GETS US MORE ACCESS TO THE RIVER. 
          IT, IT PROVIDES US MORE. 
          AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE'VE TALKED WITH OTHER PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS ALSO CONTINUES TO LINK UP TO THE RAIL TRAIL. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, YEAH, THAT I WAS, I'M ON THAT COMMITTEE AND THAT'S, THAT, THAT, THAT TOPIC HAS COME UP TOO, IS LIKE CONNECTING EVERYTHING, WHICH THEN BRINGS THEM INTO TOWN. 
          AND THAT'S A WHOLE, LIKE YOU GO BACK TO THAT 93 PLANT, TALKS ABOUT SIDEWALKS AND PATHS AND, AND HOW WE MOVE AROUND WITH OUR FEET. 
          RIGHT? YEP. 
          GOTCHA. 
          IT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, YOU'RE GONNA NEED THE BUDGET SERIOUSLY FOR SOME SECURITY, UH, IN ORDER TO BE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA BE, WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT IT. 
          UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS AND ULTIMATELY THAT AND THE EPA IS HAVING INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          NO, THANK YOU ALL. 
          I, THE AGENDA IS DONE. 
          I, AND THE NEXT MEETING WE HAVE HERE, IT'S THURSDAY IS WRONG. 
          CAUSE THE WRONG TOWN HALL, WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          HAPPY TO HAVE YOU WARREN COUNTY CENTER, SCOTT, AND, AND JUST HAS A SUGGESTION FOR THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING. 
          MAYBE YOU AND I CAN TALK OFFLINE HERE. 
          I, I KIND OF, I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT WE CAN JUST, EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AGAIN, TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SETTING THE COMMITTEE UP IN THAT. 
          YEP. 
          YEP, YEP, YEP. 
          MAYBE NEXT TIME TO BE A SHORTER AGENDA. 
          I DON.
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