* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] COMMISSION IS JANUARY 18TH, 2023. [1. CALL TO ORDER] UH, MS. POTTER, COULD YOU, UH, GIVE US A ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER WELLS HERE. VICE CHAIRMAN NER. HERE. COMMISSIONER WOOD HERE. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE MAY PROCEED. UH, THE NEXT ITEM OF THE ON THE ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS OF ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS OF ITEMS ON THE AGENDA? HEARING NONE WILL [4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS SUBMITTED. NEXT ORDER BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 20TH, 2022. I'M, I'M SORRY, 21ST. YOU HAD 20TH ON YOUR LIST. WE'LL BLAME IT ON YOU. DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES. SECOND. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF DECEMBER 21ST, 2022. MS. POTTER, COULD YOU DO A ROCO VOTE PLEASE? VICE CHAIRMAN NER? YES. COMMISSIONER WELLS? YES. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. COMMISSIONER WOOD? YES. THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS OUR TIME. WE SET ASIDE FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS. THIS IS NOT THE TIME. IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ONE OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT, UM, WE WILL HAVE THAT LATER IN OUR AGENDA. THIS IS FOR ANY ITEMS THAT YOU THINK SHOULD COME BEFORE THE PLANET COMMISSION, UH, REGARDING PLANNING AND ZONING ISSUES WITHIN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. SO IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK AT OUR PUBLIC HEARING, WE WILL ANNOUNCE THAT AT A LATER TIME. IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT LIKES TO SPEAK DURING THE CITIZEN COMMENT SECTION? SECOND CALL FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS. THIRD AND FINAL CALL. SEEING NO ONE. WE HAVE NO CITI CITIZEN COMMENT SECTION FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. OUR [6. CONSENT AGENDA] NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE ONE ITEM. UH, THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL, I'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA TO ADVERTISE 23 0 0 2 1. I SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MS. POTTER, COULD YOU DO A ROLL CALL PLEASE? VICE CHAIRMAN MARSH? YES. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. COMMISSIONER WELLS? YES. COMMISSIONER WOOD? YES. I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE DISCUSSED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, WORK SESSION TO BE HELD FEBRUARY THE FIRST, UH, FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING IN FEBRUARY ON THE 15TH. AND NOW THE MOMENTS YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR, IT CERTAINLY IS NICE TO SEE EVERYONE OUT THIS EVENING. ALL OF YOUR SMILING FACES CONCERNED ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY. UH, WOULD LIKE TO GO OVER A FEW THINGS, UH, IN OUR PUBLIC HEARING SECTION TONIGHT. UM, THE ORDER OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE WILL HAVE STAFF GIVE A REPORT ON THE PUBLIC HEARING OR THE APPLICATION. UH, WE WILL THEN HAVE TIME FOR THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. WE WILL THEN OPEN THE COMMENT SESSION FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE WILL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. THEN THERE WILL BE A TIME FOR THE APPLICANT'S REBUTTAL. UM, WE WILL THEN GO INTO PLANNING COMMISSION QUESTIONS AND QUERIES OF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. UH, THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL TAKE A VOTE. UM, OUR RULES ARE, ARE VERY SIMPLE. PLEASE DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. DO NOT ADDRESS THE APPLICANT, THE STAFF OR OTHER SPEAKERS. UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY OR MAY NOT RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. UH, THIS SESSION IS [00:05:01] REALLY FOR, UM, THE, IN, IN THE CASE OF A SPECIAL USE OR, OR, UM, A PUBLIC HEARING IS, IS IS THAT USE APPROPRIATE? AND WE REALLY WANT TO HEAR WHETHER YOUR COMMENTS AS TO WHETHER THE APPLICATION IS APPROPRIATE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. UM, INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP, UH, OTHER THAN THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE SHALL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UH, WHEN TAKING THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND, UH, THE FINAL ITEM COMMENTS MUST BE CONFINED TO THE MATTERS, JERMAINE, TO THE BUSINESS OF THE COMMISSION REGARDING THE SUBDIVISION ZONING OR LAND USE APPLICATION PRESENTED BEFORE US POLITICAL OR PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE NOT PERMITTED. WITH THAT BEING SAID, [7. PUBLIC HEARINGS] OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS APPLICATION NUMBER 22 4 94, UH, A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A GROUND FLOOR DWELLING LOCATED AT 4 37 SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE. UH, IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C ONE COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT STAFF. WOULD YOU BE SO KIND TO ENLIGHTEN US ON THIS APPLICATION? SPECIAL USE PERMIT, 22 0 0 4 9 4 FOR, UH, GROUND FLOOR DWELLING UNIT AT 4 37 SOUTH RURAL AVENUE IS LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH ROYAL AND SOUTH STREET. UH, THE BUILDING IS KNOWN AS THE SAM SNEED REALTY BUILDING. INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS THE LOCATION MAP, A FIRST FLOOR PLAN, SITE, PICTURES, AND THE S U P APPLICATION. UH, THE PARKING LOT CURRENTLY HAS EIGHT PARKING SPACES DEFINED WITH CONCRETE WHEEL STOPS, INCLUDING ONE HANDICAPPED SPACE. PROFESSIONAL OFFICES ARE ON THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR, AND THEY OCCUPY A TOTAL OF 3,162 SQUARE FEET. TOWN CODE SECTION 1 48 8 78 2 REQUIRES ONE PARKING SPACE PER 300 GROSS SPEED. FOR THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, THIS AC EQUATES TO 11 PARKING SPACES, SECTION 1 75 104. THE TOWN CODE REQUIRES ALL NEW USES OR DEVELOPMENTS AND CHANGES OF USE SHALL COMPLY WITH THE OFF-STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 1 48. THE EXISTING DWELLING UNIT ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND THE PROPOSED DWELLING UNIT ON THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD REQUIRE TWO PARKING SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT REQUIRING FOUR PARKING SPACES FOR THE DWELLING UNITS. A TOTAL OF 15 PARKING SPACES WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS STRUCTURE UNDER THE CURRENT TYPES OF USE. IN ADDITION, CHAPTER 1 48, 8 70 A SEVEN REQUIRES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OFF-STREET COMPACT CAR SPACES AND OFF-STREET PARALLEL SPACES, OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES SHALL INCLUDE AN AREA NOT LESS THAN 162 SQUARE FEET OR A NINE BY 18 PARKING SPACE. COMPACT CAR SPACES SHALL INCLUDE AN AREA NOT LESS THAN 144, WHICH IS EIGHT BY 18. THE SITE CURRENTLY ONLY HAS EIGHT PARKING SPACES WITH CONCRETE WHEEL STOPS, AND THE USES REQUIRE 15 STAM TOWN STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL ON THE GROUND FLOOR DWELLING UNIT WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN YOUR PACKET. THANK YOU. JOHN. UH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WOULD THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY. THE APPLICANT IS NOT PRESENT AT THIS TIME. WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP. IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SECOND CALL FOR THIS MATTER. THIRD AND FINAL CALL SAYING NO ONE COMING FORWARD. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTION OF STAFF? MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS, THIS RE THIS PRETTY MUCH, UH, FOLLOWS WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE WORK SESSION, SO THIS IS WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING. THAT IS CORRECT. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS OF STAFF. UH, CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. WE CAN DISCUSS A MOTION IF NEEDED. YOU'LL NEED TO READ THE, THERE'S A DRAFT MOTION IN YOUR PACKET, PLEASE. RIGHT. OKAY. I'LL, I'LL MOVE THAT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION [00:10:01] OF APPROVAL TO THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION 22 0 4 9 4 FOR ONE GROUND FLOOR DWELLING UNIT AT 4 37 SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE THAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS ONLY AUTHORIZED FOR ONE GROUND FLOOR DWELLING UNIT TO BE LOCATED AT 4 37 SOUTH ROYAL AVENUE. THAT THE EXISTING PARKING LOT SHALL BE STRIPED TO PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF THE FINAL ZOOING COMPLIANCE. THREE. THAT THE TOWN STAFF SHALL INSPECT THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FINAL ZONING COMPLIANCE TO ENSURE THAT CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES ARE LIMITED TO ONE GROUND FLOOR DWELLING UNIT. AND FOUR, UPON INSPECTION OF THE PROPERTY, IF IT IS FOUND THAT THE PROPERTY IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH LOCAL REGULATIONS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE CONDITIONS OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THE TOWN MAY REVOKE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AFTER NOTICE TO THE APPLICANT AND PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, MS. POTTER, WOULD YOU READ THE ROLL PLEASE? VICE CHAIRMAN MARNER. I'LL VOTE YES. COMMISSIONER WOOD? YES. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. COMMISSIONER WELLS? YES. THE MOTION CARRIES. WE WILL FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO TOWN COUNCIL. OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING IS FOR THE PHYSICAL YEAR 2024 THROUGH 2028, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE C I P, UH, THE ANNUAL REVIEW OF THE DRAFT C I P FOR CONFORMANCE WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED AT OUR WORK SESSION. UH, THE C I P IS NOT A BUDGET, BUT RATHER IS FOR PLANNING AND, AND A FINANCE TOOL THAT IDENTIFIES NEEDED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR THE COMING FIVE FISCAL YEARS. UH, STAFF WOULD, UH, WOULD YOU ENLIGHTEN US ON THE C I P? GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN. UM, THIS C I P THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS BEFORE YOU, UM, IS PROPOSING A TOTAL CAPITAL INVESTMENT PLAN BUDGET OF 3.2 MILLION. UM, UH, YES IT IS. UM, OKAY. HOPEFULLY THIS IS BETTER. OKAY. UM, YEP. THIS PLAN IS REQUESTING, UM, APPROVAL OF 3.2 MILLION FOR THE PROPOSED, UM, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. UH, THE ACTUAL SPREADSHEET THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, IT DOES PROVIDE, UH, THE LIST OF, UM, PROJECTS THAT, UH, ARE LISTED IN OUR NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL. UM, THAT TOTAL IS REQUESTING $22 MILLION, BUT THAT AMOUNT IS NOT ACTUALLY BEING ALLOCATED FOR THESE PROJECTS. SO FOR THE FY 23, UH, HERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE, UH, THE PUBLIC WORKS, UM, ITEMS, IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I'LL, I CAN ANSWER THOSE. OKAY. YEAH, I'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AFTER WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE MATTER REGARDING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UH, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SECOND CALL FOR PUBLIC INPUT ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THIRD AND FINAL CALL. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AS FAR AS THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION GOES, WE'RE REQUIRED BY CODE TO REVIEW THE PLAN AND SUBMIT TO TOWN COUNCIL ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, UH, REVIEW IT. AND OUR INVOLVEMENT IS PRIMARILY FOR THOSE FUTURE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS LOCATED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A WAY TO NOTIFY COUNSEL OF, UH, THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE FORTHCOMING IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UH, OUR C I P ALSO INCLUDES VARIOUS DEPARTMENT LEVEL, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING FUNDING FOR. SO IF YOU, WHEN, WHEN YOU READ THE DOCUMENT, YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF PROJECTS IN ADDITION TO THOSE LISTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ANY COMMISSIONER MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR COMMENTS? [00:15:02] UH, MR. CHAIRMAN QUESTION? YES. UM, UH, SOME IN THE AUDIENCE MAY BE INTERESTED TO KNOW, JUST SINCE I DON'T THINK YOU ALL HAVE COPIES OF THIS, UH, THAT THE, UH, THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR IS ON THE PLAN. IT'S FIRST, IT DOES NOT HAVE A DATE. IT'S ESTIMATED AT 20 MILLION, UH, AND LISTED UNDER FUTURE PROJECTS. IN OTHER WORDS, NO FUNDING HAS BEEN PROJECTED FOR ANY FISCAL YEAR. AND THE HAPPY CREEK, UH, ROAD PHASE TWO AND THREE, UH, IS SIMILARLY AT 16, NINE 16,900,000. AGAIN, NO DATE OR ANY INSTALLMENTS. THE LE RUN FLYOVER PHASE TWO IS IN THE PLAN WITH A $50,000, UH, ASSIGNMENT FOR FISCAL 24 AND A, UH, 9 MILLION, UH, AMOUNT FOR, UH, FUTURE YEARS. UM, UH, ACTUALLY BEGINNING IN FISCAL 26, AND THEN ALSO IN FISCAL 27 FOR A TOTAL OF $27,946,000. SO JUST FOR THE INFORMATION OF THE PUBLIC THAT'S IN THE PLAN, UM, ALTHOUGH NOTHING FOR FISCAL 23, WHICH IS THE YEAR THAT WE ARE VOTING TO APPROVE. CORRECT. SO THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO THE GROUP TODAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT, UH, THE COMMISSIONER SAID WITH THE BUDGET OF THAT, UM, THIS REALLY DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY INPUT FROM VDOT OR THE COUNTY OF WARREN, CORRECT? CORRECT. THANK YOU. I MEAN, IT SHOULDN'T THE RECORD INDICATE THAT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW THESE FIGURES CAME INTO EXISTENCE BECAUSE WE HAD ASKED THAT BEFORE AND WE NEVER WERE ABLE TO GET FOR ANY ITEMS. WE WERE NEVER ABLE TO GET SUBSTANTIATION FOR ANY OF THE, THE NUMBERS. OKAY. IS THAT NOT YOUR RECOLLECTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? YOU'LL HAVE TO ASK COUNSEL THAT. NO, I YOU WERE IN THE SAME MEETING. . OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF WE'RE READY. I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE FORWARD OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN TO THE TOWN COUNCIL AS PRESENTED TONIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION? ANYBODY? ONE SECOND. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND A DISCUSSION. MS. POTTER, WILL YOU BE, UH, READ US A ROLL CALL FOR THE VOTE, PLEASE? CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. COMMISSIONER WOOD? YES. COMMISSIONER WELLS? YES. VICE CHAIRMAN MARNER? YES. MOTION. MOTION CARRIES. WE WILL FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF, UH, APPROVAL ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN TO TOWN COUNCIL. OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS WHAT EVERYBODY'S WAITING FOR. THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE TONIGHT IS FOR APPLICATION NUMBER 22 3 85, A REZONING FOR N V R RYAN HOLMES OF APPROXIMATELY 43.9 ACRES, UH, FROM THE RE ZONING DISTRICT TO THE R ONE A DISTRICT, UH, STAFF, IF YOU'LL BE SO KIND TO GIVE US, UH, A REPORT ON THIS APPLICATION. YES. THE APPLICANT NVR, UM, IS PROPOSING TO REZONE 44 ACRES THAT ARE LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST INTERSECTION OF HAPPY CREEK AND SHENANDOAH SHORES ROAD FROM R E TO R ONE A. THE, UM, DIFFERENCE IN THAT ZONING DESIGNATION WOULD BE, UM, A DENSITY FROM ONE DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE TO APPROXIMATELY THREE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. UM, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROP, OR SORRY, THEY WANNA REZONE TO CREATE 134 LOTS. THEY HAVE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF LOTS FROM 142. HERE'S THEIR ORIGINAL, UM, CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UM, IN FALL OF 2022. UM, AFTER TWO WORK SESSIONS, PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, RESUBMIT TO ACCOMMODATE THE [00:20:01] COMMENTS FROM THE COUNTY DEPARTMENTS AND AS, UM, AND TO INCLUDE WALKING TRAILS, UM, A CONNECTION TO THE FUTURE EAST WEST, UM, CONNECTOR. AND THEN, UM, THE PROPOSED FLYOVER. SO THIS IS THE NEW PLAN THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED. HERE YOU CAN SEE THERE'S, UH, APPROXIMATELY 5.5 ACRES THAT ARE PROVIDED FOR THE FLYOVER. THEY HAVE SHOWN, UM, AN AREA FOR THE TRAILS, UM, AND THEY HAVE REDUCED THE LOTS FROM THE 1 34, OR SORRY, 1 42 TO 1 34. AND THEN THEY'VE PROVIDED AN OPENING, LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS TO WORK. UM, THEY'VE PROVIDED A SECOND ENTRANCE OFF OF THE PROPOSED EASTWEST CONNECTOR. SO AT THAT POINT, THEY WOULD HAVE TWO ENTRANCES. THEY'D HAVE AN ENTRANCE OFF OF SHENANDOAH SHORES ROAD AND THEN, UM, ON THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR. AND THE APPLICANT ALSO AMENDED THEIR PROFFERS TO INCLUDE, UH, APPROXIMATELY 35, UM, HUNDRED DOLLARS PER UNIT FOR THE SCHOOLS OR PUBLIC SCHOOLS STAFF HAS, UM, PROVIDED, UM, CONDITIONS WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE FIVE CONDITIONS LISTED, AND I CAN TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR NOR THE FLYOVER AND LEACH RUN PARKWAY EXTENDED ARE CONSTRUCTED AT THIS POINT. THEY'RE MERELY, UH, SHOWN ON OUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN AS FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT AREA. UM, WE, WE, WE WILL RESERVE MORE COMMENTS FOR STAFF AT THE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING PART. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? UH, YES, SIR. UH, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME'S TY LAWS AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, LAUREN DID A GREAT JOB, UH, DOING A, GIVEN A SUMMARY OF, OF THIS APPLICATION. AND OF COURSE, WE'VE, WE VISITED WITH Y'ALL, I THINK ON TWO SEPARATE WORK SESSIONS AND, AND WE DID HEAR YOUR COMMENTS. AND AS, AS YOU'LL NOTE, AND, AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE, THE APPLICATION HAS CHANGED AS A RESULT OF THOSE, THOSE APP OR, OR THOSE COMMENTS. WE ARE AT 134 SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES, UH, AS OPPOSED TO THE 1 42, UM, THAT WE STARTED WITH. AND THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS WE, WE'VE CHANGED THE, UH, THE LAYOUT. WE'VE MADE AN ACCOMMODATION FOR, UH, THE LEACH RUN, FUTURE LEACH RUN PARKWAY, WHEN, WHEN, AND IF YOU ALL AND THE COUNTY AND BDOT DO THAT, UH, WE'VE ALSO MADE THE MODIFICATION, UH, SO THAT, UM, WHEN THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR IS BUILT, OUR ENTRANCE WILL BE IN THE GREEN SPACE, UH, COMING INTO IT. AND THE OLD ENTRANCE WILL, WILL TERMINATE IT, IT'LL GO AWAY. UM, THE NET OF THIS IS, IT ACTUALLY DOVETAILED WITH OTHER COMMENTS THAT WE HAD GOTTEN FROM THE COUNTY ALONG THE WAY ABOUT PARKS AND REC AND, AND, AND HAVING RECREATIONAL FACILITIES FOR YOUR, YOUR OWN COMMUNITY. AND WE CERTAINLY DO THAT. WE, WE ADDED THE 5.5 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE, UH, HAVE, UH, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR PLAYING FIELDS AND SO ON, WALKING TRAILS AS LAUREN POINTED OUT, UM, FOR THE TIME BEING. AND THEN AGAIN, IF, IF THERE EVER IS A DEMAND AND WE BUILT INTO THE PROFFERS THE MECHANISM FOR, UH, CONVEYING AT NO COST TO, TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT, COUNTY STATE, HOWEVER IT'S DEMANDED, UH, WE WOULD CONVEY THAT THAT TRACK FOR THE, AND DEDICATE FOR THE LEACH RUN, UH, PARKWAY. SO THAT'S ALL BUILT IN AND THOSE OPTIONS ARE ACCOMMODATED. THE EXISTING CONNECTION, AS YOU ALL SAW, AND WE WENT THROUGH, UH, THE TRAFFIC REPORT, WHICH WAS DONE BY KITTLESON TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, WORKS VERY NICELY WITH THE EXISTING ROAD NETWORK. UH, IT WAS QUITE REMARKABLE, AT LEAST FOR ME TO NOTE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN A LEVEL OF SERVICE B UH, WHICH IS SUPERB, UH, EVEN AFTER FULL BUILDOUT. UM, AND AGAIN, ALL THAT ALSO WORKS WITH, WITH ANY FUTURE CONNECTION TO AN EASTWEST CONNECTOR. UM, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PUBLIC STREETS, SIDEWALKS, WATER, SEWER, MAKE IT CLEAR THAT, THAT WE ARE PROFFERING TO [00:25:01] DO THOSE THINGS. WE ARE, UM, I I WOULD SUBMIT THAT IN ORDER TO TIE INTO YOUR SYSTEM, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT AS WELL. BUT BELTS AND SUSPENDERS, WE PUT THAT INTO THE PROFFERS AND, AND MADE IT CLEAR THAT, THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR THOSE THINGS WE WILL COMPLY WITH, WITH ALL LOCAL ORDINANCES, ALL THE WATER AND SEWER REQUIREMENTS AND SO ON BEFORE WE'RE ACCEPTED INTO THE SYSTEM. UM, THE PROFFERS IS A, IT'S A MATH MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION. WHAT WE DID WAS WE TOOK THE COUNTY'S, UM, COMMENTS ABOUT HOW MUCH, UH, EACH, EACH UNIT, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNIT COULD BE EXPECTED TO GENERATE BY WAY OF SCHOOL CHILDREN. IT WAS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY'S MODEL, THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE CHILDREN GENERATED FROM TOWNHOUSE UNITS THAN THERE ARE FROM SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED UNITS. SO WE, WE APPLIED THAT FORMULA. THESE ARE OF COURSE, ALL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED UNITS, AND WE GAVE YOU, UH, REPRESENTATIONS OF WHAT NVR WOULD WOULD LIKE TO BUILD HERE. UM, AND THEN WE DID TAKE A CREDIT, UM, FOR WHAT WE COULD DO BY RIGHT WITHOUT ZONING. WE, WE COULD BUILD WITHOUT ANY PROFFERS. AND THAT'S HOW YOU GET TO THE REDUCED NUMBER OF, OF THE $3,600 PER UNIT. AND AGAIN, UH, WE DID GIVE A FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS. YOU ALL HAVE THAT IN YOUR PACKET. IT SHOWS THAT THIS IS A NET TAX POSITIVE EVEN WITH, UH, ALL THE VARIOUS IMPACTS. BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE HEARD THE COMMENTS, WE UNDERSTAND THE, UH, COOPERATION BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN RELATING TO SCHOOLS. AND SO WE, WE DID PROFFER THAT, UM, TALKED ABOUT THE, THE RESERVED AREA THAT WE TOOK OUT FOR THE, FOR THE LEACH RUN PARKWAY. AGAIN, WE HAD SHOWN YOU BEFORE SOME OF THE FACILITIES, BALL FACILITIES AND SO ON, UH, THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD AND ARE PROPOSING AS PART OF THIS, UH, PROFFERED REZONING. AND THEN I MENTIONED ABOUT THE NET TAX, UH, POSITIVE, UH, THIS WAS DONE BY PATSON ASSOCIATES, AND THE IMPACT IS A A $357,000 NET TAX POSITIVE. AND I HAVE TO POINT OUT THAT'S A FULL BUILD OUT AND STABILIZATION. THERE IS NO ACCOUNTING FOR THE TAX BENEFITS THAT COME FROM CONSTRUCTING THIS FROM THE PERMITS THAT WOULD BE PULLED LOCALLY AND PAID FOR THE CONTRACTORS THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO COME IN AND DO THE WORK, ALL THE TAXES THAT THEY PAY, THAT'S NOT IN THE MODEL. SO THAT'S A, A INTENTIONALLY CONSERVATIVE NUMBER, BUT IT IS, IT IS TAX POSITIVE. UM, WE WERE PLEASED TO RECEIVE COMMENTS. I THINK WE GOT EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS, SOME AS RECENTLY AS TODAY. SO I KNOW AT OUR WORK SESSION WE WERE WONDERING IF THEY WERE GONNA MAKE IT IN AND, AND THEY DID. UM, AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I'LL TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT IS I, I DO, UH, SEE THAT THAT COUNSEL ATTORNEY, UH, OUTHOUSE COUNSEL HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROFFERS WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK WITH THEM. UH, OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THIS EVENING IS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL AND THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THROUGH THOSE. UM, BUT I FRANKLY, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING, UH, REMARKABLE OR, OR, UH, CHANGE WORTHY, IF I CAN USE THAT TERM. SO I, I THINK WE'RE WE'RE FINE ON THAT. AND, AND MAYBE EVEN THEY, THEY HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, MAKE, MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE'RE BUILDING THESE THINGS AT OUR COST AND EXPENSE. AND YES, WE ARE. UM, BE HAPPY TO RESPOND TO ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND THEN, UH, ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS, AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME. THANK YOU. UH, WE'LL RESERVE THE RIGHT TO BRING YOU BACK UP PROBABLY YES, SIR. AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. ALL RIGHT. AT, AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. OUR FIRST SIGNED SPEAKER TONIGHT IS MR. JOHN LUNDBERG. MY NAME IS JOHN LUNDBERG. I LIVE AT 2 0 3 PEACHTREE COURT HERE IN FRONT ROYAL. MY PURPOSE [00:30:01] HERE THIS EVENING IS TO RECOMMEND IN THE STRONGEST TERMS POSSIBLE THAT A REQUEST FROM A LOCAL PROPERTY OWNER TO REZONE 35 ACRES OF LAND IN ORDER TO BUILD A ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY FOUR, ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY, EXCUSE ME, HOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BE DEFEATED. THE 35 ACRES IN QUESTION ARE LOCATED JUST NORTH OF WHERE NORTHFOLK SOUTHERN RAILROAD TRACKS ACROSS SHANDOR SHORES ROAD. I MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION FOR THREE REASONS. REASON NUMBER ONE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES BACKED UP ON SHANDOR SHORES ROAD SOMETIME FOR HOURS WHENEVER, WHEN OF NORFOLK SOUTHERN NINE DAILY TRIPS INTO OR OUT OF FRONT ROYAL IS TAKING PLACE, OR A MECHANICAL FAILURE HAS OCCURRED BLOCKING THE ROAD WHERE A LABOR DISPUTE HAS OCCURRED BLOCKING THE ROAD. REASON NUMBER TWO, WHEN CARS ARE BACKED UP ON SHENANDOAH SHORE ROAD, LONG BACKUPS ALSO OCCUR ON HAPPY CREEK ROAD IN BOTH DIRECTIONS BY CARS TRYING TO TURN NORTH ONTO SHENANDOAH SHORES ROAD. AND NE REASON NUMBER THREE MAY BE THE WORST ONE. BACKUPS ON THESE TWO ROADS POST HORRIFIC HEALTH, WELFARE AND SAFETY PROBLEMS FOR RESIDENTS, SCHOOLS, AND BUSINESSES LOCATED NORTH OF THE TRACKS. LET ME EXPLAIN. COMMUNITIES IN THIS AREA ARE LAND BLOCK AND HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS. WHEN SHEO SHORES ROAD IS BLOCKED BY A TRAIN, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY IN, INTO OR OUT OF THE AREA FOR A MEDICAL EMERGENCY, A LAW ENFORCEMENT EMERGENCY, OR A FIRE. IT'S ASININE DEFINED BY THE DICTIONARY AS EXTREMELY STUPID. THERE ARE ONLY THREE WAYS TO PERMANENTLY SOLVE THE LANDLOCK STATUS IN THIS AREA. ONE IS TO BUILD AN EXIT OFF INTERSTATE 66, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN EXIT SIX AND EXIT 13, BUT NOT ON SHANDOR SHORES ROAD. BUT FURTHER WEST WERE LARGE AMOUNTS OF UNDEVELOPED LANDLINE. REASON NUMBER TWO. WAY NUMBER TWO, BUILD A BRIDGE OVER THE RAILROAD. TRACK SOMEWHERE ALONG THE FOUR MILE OF TRACK THAT RUN THROUGH FRONT ROYAL. AND NUMBER THREE, DIG A TUNNEL UNDER THE TRACKS UNTIL ONE OF THESE OCCUR. A NEW EXIT, A BRIDGE OR A TUNNEL, DO NOT REZONE ANY LAND IN THIS AREA THAT ENCOURAGES LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM ANY PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT ON PROBLEMS EXPERIENCED WHEN SHENANDOAH SHORES ROAD IS BLOCKED BY A TRAIN. PLEASE LISTEN TO THEM. THEY ARE SPEAKING FROM THE HEART. AS A COMMUNITY, WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM TO SOLVE. AND THE ANSWER IS NOT BUILDING LARGE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IN A LAND BLOCKED AREA. LET ME SUMMARIZE WHAT I JUST SAID, ONE CLEARLY DON'T KNOW. TO A REQUEST FROM TOM SAYER AND RYAN HOLMES TO REZONE 35 ACRES IN ORDER TO BUILD A 134 HOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND TWO REZONE, NO LAND IN THIS AREA THAT ENCOURAGES OTHER LARGE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS UNTIL THE LANDLOCK STATUS OF COMMUNITIES NORTH OF THOSE RAILROAD TRACKS ARE SOLVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING. OUR NEXT SPEAKER, STEVE CHERRY. MY NAME IS STEVE CHERRY. I LIVE AT TWO 12 WEST MAIN STREET, FRONT ROYAL. I HAVE A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE DEGREE IN FORESTRY AND A MASTER OF SCIENCE IN SOILS FROM VIRGINIA TECH. IN MY EARLY CAREER, I DID WETLANDS INVESTIGATIONS IN SOIL INVESTIGATIONS IN MARYLAND, USUALLY ON FARMLAND BEING DEVELOPED, UH, INTO RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. I HAD ONCE TO TAKE A, DO SOME SOIL TESTING ON A, UH, STORMWATER RETENTION BASIN, WHICH WAS LOCATED AT THE END OF A LONG STRAIGHT STREET WITH A CUL-DE-SAC AT THE END, UH, SEPARATED FROM AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT BY A SMALL DRAINAGE DITCH WITH WOODS ON BOTH SIDES, LITTLE STRIP STRIPPER WOODS. AND AS I APPROACHED THE, UH, DRAINAGE STORMWATER POND, I, THERE WAS A WOMAN WITH A 35 MILLIMETER CAMERA TAKING PICTURES OF THE BACKHOE OPERATOR. UH, I WAS TOLD SHE HAD THE ENTIRE PROJECT SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF SOME SUPPOSED ENVIRONMENTAL AND, UH, DRAINAGE CONCERNS. AND I, AND I WONDERED AT THE TIME, UH, THIS WAS LIKE 40 YEARS AGO, BUT SHE, DID SHE CARE ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION WORKER SITTING AT HOME, NOT WORKING, NOT GETTING PAID? DID SHE CARE ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL EXPENSES INCURRED BY THE BUILDERS AND DEVELOPER? PROBABLY NOT. THE FIRST QUESTION, WHICH CAME TO MY MIND THEN WAS WHERE WAS SHE WHEN THE BUILDER BULLDOZED THE FARM THAT HER HOUSE WAS ON, THIS WAS THE, UH, SHE WAS SHE OUT TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS THEN AND PROTESTING? PROBABLY NOT. UH, THIS SYNDROME IS CALLED THE NIMBY SYNDROME. AND A LOT OF THIS, MY COMMENTS ARE MADE IN RESPONSE TO SOME COMMENTS I MADE I SAW FROM OTHER PEOPLE [00:35:01] SO FAR, PEOPLE WHO OBJECT TO THIS PROPOSED REZONING ON GROUNDS THAT THEY WANT FRONT ROYAL, REMAIN RURAL. I HAVE THIS TO SAY FORM FARMLAND AND WOODLAND WILL CONTINUE TO BE DEVELOPED INTO RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. THIS PROCESS NEEDS TO BE DONE INTELLIGENTLY, CAREFULLY, AND COOPERATION BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES INVOLVED THE REAL ESTATE OWNER AND DEVELOPER WITH INPUT FROM CONCERNED CITIZENS. I DISCOUNT OBJECTIONS AGAINST DEVELOPMENT BASED ON THE NIMBY SYNDROME BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO RUN, UH, FRONT ROYAL, REMAIN RURAL. I DO SYMPATHIZE WITH CONCERNS REGARDING EXISTING EXCESS TRAFFIC, WHICH MEANS I SUPPORT THE REZONING AMENDMENT. IF ACCESS TO SHENANDOAH SHORE'S COMMUNITY, UH, VIA HAPPY CREEK ROAD OR SOME OTHER WAY IS ADDRESSED FIRST, THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER, JOHN STAN MEYER. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JOHN STAN MEER. UH, I LIVE AT 75 STONEGATE COURT, FRONT ROYAL. UM, BASICALLY WITHIN THE LANDLOCKED COMMUNITY OF SHENANDOAH SHORES. UM, OUR COMMUNITY, AS YOU'VE HEARD, HAS ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT, ACCESSED BY AN UNCONTROLLED T INTERSECTION, A CAR'S LENGTH FROM THE RAILROAD TRACKS. ON OUR SIDE OF THE TRACKS, THERE ARE ABOUT 500 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THERE'S A COLLEGE WITH 600 PLUS STUDENTS AND FACULTY. THERE'S A K THROUGH 12 PRIVATE SCHOOL WITH ROUGHLY 250 STUDENTS. WE HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL PARK WITH A DOZEN OR SO EMPLOYERS, INCLUDING SEATON, WHICH IT'S THE SIXTH LARGEST PRIVATE EMPLOYER IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. IT'S A BUSY, BUSY NEIGHBORHOOD. I'D GUESS THERE ARE ABOUT 2000 TO 2,500 PEOPLE STUCK BEHIND THE RAILROAD TRACKS ON ANY GIVEN DAY. THE RAILROAD, THE RAILROAD GATES GO DOWN ABOUT NINE TIMES A DAY FOR NORFOLK SOUTHERN TRAINS. EACH TIME, EACH TIME THAT, UH, FOR ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AT A TIME WHEN THE CABOOSE FINALLY ROLLS THROUGH AND THE GATES FINALLY GO BACK UP, IT CAN TAKE SOMETIMES FIVE OR 10 MINUTES FOR THE TRAFFIC TO CLEAR, ESPECIALLY AT PEAK TIMES OF DAY WHEN THE SCHOOLS HAVE STUDENTS COMING AND GOING. SOMETIMES IT'S EVEN WORSE SEVERAL TIMES THIS YEAR. THIS PAST YEAR, TRAINS HAVE STOPPED FOR OPERATIONAL REASONS, TRACK MAINTENANCE, SWITCHING CHANGES, ET CETERA. EVEN ONCE THE TRAIN WAS DELIBERATELY PARKED AS A POLITICAL STUNT, PUTTING 2,500 PEOPLE IN THE STATE OF BEING POLITICAL HOSTAGES OVER A LABOR DISPUTE, LIVES ENDANGERED EMS AND RESCUE CUT OFF THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE TO ALLOW 134 ADDITIONAL HOMES. WILL EXASPERATE SITUATION CONSTRUCT CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ALONE WOULD BE BAD ENOUGH, BUT ADDING 500 ADDITIONAL RESIDENTS TO THE COMMUNITY, WE'LL PUT IT AT A TIPPING POINT. QUALITY OF LIFE AND ACCESS TO EMERGENCY SERVICES WOULD DETERIORATE FOR EVERYONE. I'M NON ANTI-DEVELOPMENT. WE NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS GROWING COMMUNITY. WE NEED FAMILY FRIENDLY HOUSING. AND THIS LOOKS PRETTY GOOD TO ME FROM THAT REGARD. HOWEVER, TO PUT THE COMMUNITY IN PLACE AND TO ENABLE IMMEDIATE DEVELOPMENT BEFORE THE ROADS ARE UPGRADED, IT'S PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. I THINK MANY OF US APPRECIATE THAT RYAN HOLMES HAS AMENDED THEIR PROPOSAL TO ACCOMMODATE THE FUTURE LE RUN FLYOVER AND CONNECTIVITY TO THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR ROAD. HOWEVER, THOSE ROADS ARE NOT IN PLACE. AND AS BECAME CLEAR TONIGHT, THE MONEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE THERE. THE TIMELINE IS COMPLETELY UNCLEAR. IT IS NOT A DONE DEAL THAT THOSE ROADS WILL BE THERE. AND EVEN IF THEY ARE GOING TO HAPPEN, FOR SURE, THAT IS SEVERAL YEARS AWAY. THAT IS SEVERAL YEARS MORE OF AN EXASPERATED TRAFFIC QUAGMIRE. SO I WOULD IMPLORE YOU 30 SECONDS, SIR. THANK YOU. I WOULD IMPLORE YOU NOT TO CHANGE THE ZONING YET. HE WOULD BE PUTTING THE CART IN FRONT OF THE HORSE AND WE WOULD LOSE ALL LEVERAGE THAT WE MAY HAVE TO GET ADDITIONAL PROFFERS FROM RYAN HOLMES. CAN THEY DO MORE TO HELP THE LEACH RUN FLY EVER HAPPEN? CAN THEY DO MORE TO HELP THE EAST WEST CONNECTION HAPPEN? PLEASE CONSIDER THIS AND FOR THE TIME BEING, HOLD OFF ON REZONING THIS PROPERTY. THANK YOU. THANK [00:40:01] YOU, SIR. OUR NEXT SPEAKER, ZACHARY WENT. HELLO LADIES, GENTLEMEN, GOOD EVENING. I'M ZACHARY WENT 27 HILLVIEW STREET. UM, ACTUALLY JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS THANK YOU, THIS, UH, MEETING THIS EVENING, UM, BY MY FATHER-IN-LAW AND HE ASKED ME TO JUST WRITE DOWN SOME THOUGHTS. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO DO. UM, I DO LIKE MY ROYAL COMMUNITY, UH, IN SOUTHERN FRONT ROYAL. UM, SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF, UM, NOT ALLOWING THE REZONING AND BUILDING OF THIS. UM, IF THE DECISION IS MADE TO BUILD, I WOULD LIKE TO STRONGLY REQUEST THAT WE MODIFY THE SURROUNDING ROADS TO BE ABLE TO EASILY ACCOMMODATE 300 PLUS VEHICLES. I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE THE CITY TRAFFIC TO THE CITY. UM, THE AVERAGE, I I JUST LOOKED THIS UP ON MY PHONE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT I, I FOUND OVER THE INTERNET THAT THE AVERAGE AMERICAN FAMILY SIZE IS 3.15 PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE 0.15 IS, BUT, UM, PER A HOUSEHOLD, UM, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD MAKE APPROXIMATELY 422 MORE PEOPLE ADDED TO THE SMALL SOUTHERN DEMOGRAPHIC OF FRONT ROYAL. UM, MOST FAMILIES OUT OF LATE HAVE BOTH SPOUSES OR PARTNERS WORKING FULL-TIME, WHICH WILL POSSIBLY ADD APPROXIMATELY 268 MORE CARS. UM, AND THAT ALREADY BOTTLENECKED AREA. UM, AND THEY ALL PRETTY MUCH COME AND GO DURING THE SAME THREE HOURS IN THE MORNING IN THE EVENING TO GET TO WORK. UM, I'M ASSUMING HALF, IF NOT MORE WORK OUT OF NORTHERN VIRGINIA EVERY DAY AND HAVE TO TAKE THE DISMAL HOLLOW ROAD TO GET TO 66. I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE FARTHER OUT THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I USED TO DRIVE THAT ROAD EVERY DAY, UM, TO GET TO WORK AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BUSY WITH THE CARS IT HAS NOW. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT NOT EVERYONE PURCHASING THESE HOMES WILL BE NEW RESIDENCE AS IN COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, OUT OF TOWN, INTO TOWN. UH, BUT I'M GUESSING THAT THE MAJORITY WILL BE, I HAVE FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN MY SMALL CIRCLE THAT EITHER WISH THEY COULD LIVE HERE OR, OR IN THE WORKS CUZ IT'S NOT THE BUSY NORTHERN VIRGINIA AREA. UM, I FEEL THAT PACKING THIS PORTION OF FRONT ROYAL WITH CLOSE TO POTENTIALLY 300 VEHICLES DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A GREAT IDEA UNTIL THE ROADS CAN SUPPORT THAT. UM, I WAS JUST THINKING OTHER THINGS TO THINK ABOUT. THIS WAS SPINNING THROUGH MY HEAD WITH, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON, UM, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF TRASH REMOVAL AND, UM, ENERGY AND WATER DISTRIBUTION, UM, AND ALL THE EXTRA MAINTENANCE THAT COME INVOLVED WITH IT AND HAVING TO HIRE NEW PEOPLE. AS OF NOW, THAT AREA HAS NO WAY TO TOWN EXCEPT OVER THE TRACKS. UM, AND THROUGH THE SOUTH PART OF TOWN TO GET TO THE GROCERY STORES AND LET'S, YOU KNOW, EVEN TO WALMART AND EVERYTHING, WE ALL HAVE TO DRIVE ON THE SAME ROADS AND JUST ADDING, ADDING ADDITIONAL CARS WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL ROADS JUST SEEMS KIND OF LIKE A NIGHTMARE TO ME. UM, I DO KNOW FROM MY OWN PERSONAL SEARCH, UM, MY HOME'S NOT THAT NEW, BUT I RECENTLY, UM, BOUGHT A HOUSE AND FROM MY HOUSE SEARCH, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF VIABLE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE THAT WANNA MOVE HERE. THERE'S A LOT OF AVAILABLE HOMES AND HOMES UP FOR SALE. UM, AND I, I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF I SEE THE NECESSITY IN HAVING 134 EXTRA HOMES IN ONE SPOT WHEN THERE'S A BUNCH OF STUFF EVENLY DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE TOWN. UM, AND I DO WANNA THANK YOU GUYS TONIGHT FOR YOUR TIME, TAKING TIME OUTTA YOUR BUSINESS SCHEDULES WITH YOUR FAMILIES TO, UH, GIVE US ALL A VOICE AND BE HEARD TONIGHT. SO THANK YOU. NEXT UP ARI HENRIK, GOOD NIGHT TO YOU ALL. UH, I'M ARI HENRIK AT 68 FIELD DRIVE FROM ROYAL VIRGINIA. I, UH, PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT A LOT OF NUMBERS, UH, IN RELATION TO TRAFFIC IN RELATION TO VOLUMES, BUT I HEARD PLENTY, [00:45:01] YOU GUYS HEARD PLENTY TONIGHT, UH, FROM OTHER, UH, PUBLIC SPEAKERS HERE. I WANT TO JUST MIRROR ACTUALLY THE WORDS OF THE FIRST PUBLIC SPEAKER HERE TONIGHT. I THINK MY MAIN CONCERN, I'M NOT ANTI UH, DEVELOPMENT, I'M ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THAT INDUSTRY. I'M ALL FOR IT, BUT WHAT I'M AGAINST IS EXPOSING THE PUBLIC TO UN UNSAFETY CONDITIONS. AND I THINK THE MAJOR ISSUE OF THE PROJECT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS NOT ADDRESSING PUBLIC SAFETY. WE HAVE WELL OVER 2000 PEOPLE ALREADY GET STRAPPED ON A LAND BLOCK SITUATION AND NOW WE WANT TO ADD PROBABLY POTENTIAL 500 MORE. SO, UH, I THINK UNTIL WE RESOLVE THE, THE MATTER OF GUARANTEE, THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY, WHICH WE ALL INDIVIDUALS THAT DESERVE THAT FROM THE, THE COUNTY DIRECTORS, SINCE WE ARE DECENT CITIZEN TAX PAYER, I THINK OUR SAFETY SHOULD BE PARAMOUNT. SO MY MAIN CONCERN, TRAFFIC, WE CAN DEAL WITH THEM, THEY'RE NO SENSE OF TRAFFIC, BUT I CANNOT FURTHER TO IMAGINE ONE INDIVIDUAL WAITING FOR AN AMBULANCE AND NOT ABLE TO GET IT BECAUSE THERE'S A TRAIN THERE THAT MOST RECENTLY WAS DELIBERATE LEFT OVER THERE, ALLEGEDLY BY THE CONDUCTOR IN PROTEST WITH THE RAILROAD COMPANY TRAPPING US CUZ I LIVE IN THE SHENANDOAH SHORES TRAPPING US THERE FOR WELL OVER TWO HOURS. WHAT IF THERE WAS AN AMBULANCE? SO MY MAIN CONCERN IS THIS. I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU GUYS ACTUALLY REZONE IT, BUT ONLY AFTER THIS VERY SERIOUS PUBLIC ISSUE IS RESOLVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SIR. OUR NEXT SPEAKER, STEVEN PILAN. DID I PRONOUNCE THAT RYAN? NO, THAT'S . MY NAME IS STEVEN PILON, 1138 HAPPY RIDGE DRIVE HERE IN TOWN. UM, AGAIN, I'M NOT REALLY AGAINST DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW WE HAVE TO DO IT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. I LIVE IN A FAIRLY RECENTLY DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE LAST 20 YEARS AREA THAT OUR REMEMBER AS FARMLAND BEFORE THAT. UM, MY BIGGEST THING IS, LIKE MANY OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID IS JUST LOOKING AT THIS AND UM, IT LOOKS REALLY NICE, YOU KNOW, OH LOOK, WE HAVE ROOM FOR A FLYOVER. UM, WHEN I CAME TO CHRISTEN 35 YEARS AGO THIS MONTH, UM, AND SOMETIME BETWEEN THEN AND I THINK WHEN MY WIFE AND I GOT MARRIED 30 YEARS AGO, THEY STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS PARKWAY THAT WAS GONNA GO IN. SO 30 YEARS LATER, WELL 25 YEARS LATER, WE FINALLY GOT ONE. HOW MANY YEARS IS IT GONNA BE OR DECADES IS IT GONNA BE UNTIL THAT FLYOVER GOES IN? IF IT EVER GOES IN, UM, HOW LONG UNTIL THAT EASTWEST CONNECTOR THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR AT LEAST A GOOD 15 YEARS. UM, THESE THINGS TAKE TIME, TAKE A LONG TIME. UH, I THINK IT IS EXTREMELY, I PRUDENT TO APPROVE THIS KIND OF A REZONING WHEN THIS TYPE OF THING, WHICH AS WE HEARD TONIGHT, UM, HAS NOT GI BEEN GIVEN ANY ACTUAL DOLLAR AMOUNTS YET. UM, IT'S IN THE PLANNING, BUT IT'S NOT ANYWHERE NEAR, UH, REALIZATION. SO I THINK IT REALLY, UM, WOULD BE PRUDENT FOR YOU TO SAY NO TONIGHT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THERE IS THIS SITUATION WHICH ONLY GETS WORSE AND WORSE AS TIME GOES ON. AND UNTIL WE CAN HAVE A, A SAFER WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET IN AND OUT WITH MORE THAN ONE CONNECTION, WHICH IS, UH, AS I ALREADY MENTIONED SO MANY TIMES, BACKED UP SO OFTEN, UM, AND SEEMINGLY GETTING WORSE, THAT, UH, YOU SHOULD PUT IT OFF AND WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE REALITY ON THE SITUATION THAT SURROUNDS THIS. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. NEXT SPEAKER, EILEEN, HILLARY. EILEEN, THERE SHE IS. YES, I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE. UM, EILEEN HILLARY 1 3 94 RIVERVIEW SHORES. AND, UH, UM, I HAVE SPOKEN BEFORE YOU BEFORE AND I WANNA THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE MY OPINION. UM, AND FIRST OFF, I I APPRECIATE THAT RYAN HOLMES HAS, HAS HEARD US AND HAS MADE EFFORTS TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS WE'VE BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST. BUT, UM, AND I WASN'T AWARE THAT THOSE CHANGES HAD BEEN MADE. I GUESS I WAS A LITTLE BIT BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL, BUT I STILL HAVE CONCERNS. AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL, I'LL READ THEM BECAUSE I, I WROTE 'EM OUT AND PREVIOUSLY I'VE ALWAYS JUST SPOKEN SPONTANEOUSLY AND I'M NOT SURE HOW WELL THAT CAME OFF. BUT, UM, ANYWAY, UH, PLEASE DON'T MAKE ZONING CHANGES TO ANY PROPERTY NORTH OF THE RAILWAY CRO CROSSING AT CHANO SHORES ROAD. LESS THAN UNTIL PLANS HAVE BEEN APPROVED, AS WE'VE, AS WE'VE REITERATED HERE, FUNDING AND FUNDING HAS BEEN ASSIGNED AND THE NECESSARY PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED TO IMPROVE THE ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE. REZONING WITHOUT SUCH AN INSTITUTED PLAN, ONLY COMPOUNDS THE RISK TO THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF LOCAL RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS EMPLOYEES WHO DAILY RELY ON ENTRANCE TWO AND EGRESS FROM THIS ALREADY STRESSED AREA. FURTHER, WITHOUT PRIOR IMPROVEMENTS [00:50:01] TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL MERELY DELAY THE FINANCIAL BURDEN TO TAXPAYERS. MORE COSTLY FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THIS GROWTH IN HOUSING AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. AS I MENTIONED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, CONSIDER THE IMPACT POOR FORESIGHT BEGA IN THE RE REDESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF LOW WATER BRIDGE. IMPROPER PLANNING IS ALWAYS MORE COSTLY IN THE LONG RUN, AND WE, THE TAXPAYERS ARE THE ONES WHO FOOT THE BILL. WITH REGARD TO THE HEALTH AND WELFARE ASPECT, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT BOTH SIDES OF THE RAILROAD CROSSING ARE AFFECTED. I, I BELIEVE SOMEONE, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THAT AS WELL AND POTENTIALLY IMPACTING CRITICAL HOSPITAL ACCESS FROM A LONG HAPPY CREEK. JUST THE OTHER EVENING, I OBSERVED THESE RISKS FIRSTHAND AS I WAITED FOR A VERY LONG, VERY SLOW MOVING TRAIN TO PASS THROUGH AS TRAFFIC ALONG HAPPY CREEK CREEK. ACCUMULATED BACKED UP CARS, BLOCKED THE ROADWAY ACCESS, WHICH MIGHT HAVE BEEN NEEDED FOR EMERGENCY AND POLICE VEHICLES. FORTUNATELY, THERE WERE NO EMERGENCY VEHICLES, BUT I WONDER JUST HOW A FIRETRUCK, AN AMBULANCE OR A POLICE CAR WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND ITS WAY ALONG HAPPY CREEK WITH A LONG LINE OF TRAFFIC AT TIMES BLOCKING THE LANES AND INTERSECTIONS. IMAGINE AN AMBULANCE CARRYING ONE OF OUR LOVED ONES AND YET THEY'RE UNABLE TO RECEIVE TIME CRITICAL TREATMENT BECAUSE THE ROADS WERE BLOCKED NEARLY TWO YEARS AGO. THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN MY FAMILY SITUATION WHEN MY HUSBAND EXPERIENCED A SERIOUS CHAINSAW INJURY. WE LIVE IN THE SHORES. THANKS BE TO GOD. THERE WAS NOT A TRAIN BLOCKING THE CROSSING THAT DAY AND WE WERE ABLE TO DRIVE TO WARREN MEMORIAL EMERGENCY ROOM ON THEIR OPENING DAY IN TIME. AGAIN, PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ANY ZONING CHANGES TO ANY PROPERTY NORTH OF THE RAILWAY CROSSING AT SHANDO SHORES ROAD UNTIL INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS AND FINANCES ARE IN PLACE TO IMPROVE THE ROADWAY ACCESS, THUS ENSURING THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF OUR LOCAL CITIZENRY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT SPEAKER, MR. JEAN KILBY. JEAN KILBY, 8 36 GENOR SHORES ROAD. UM, MY NIECE, UH, JUST ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY AT 8 24, WHICH WAS MY BROTHER'S PROPERTY IN EIGHT 40, WHICH IS ALSO MY BROTHER'S PROPERTY, JAMAR KBY. UM, I RAN THIS PAST THEM AND THEY AGREE THAT WE NEED DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. ALSO AGREE THAT THE AREA IS LANDLOCKED. AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT MANY PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS, BUT WE ALL NEED TO GET TO WORK AND GET SOMETHING DONE AS FAR AS THE EXITS OFF OF SHEOR SHORES ROAD, MAKING SURE THAT THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR IS DONE. INSTEAD OF COMING TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING COMPLAINING, WE NEED TO PUT IN PETITIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE, THE FLOWER OVER. IF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, IS IT GOING TO HAPPEN? I REMEMBER BACK IN 1969, UM, RIGHT BEFORE I GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL, WE WERE IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE EXITS OFF OF I 66. IT STILL HASN'T HAPPENED, BUT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT TALKED TONIGHT WEREN'T AROUND AT THAT TIME. I GREW UP HERE IN FRONT ROYAL ON SHEOR SHORES ROAD PRIOR TO IT BEING PAVED. MANY OF THE PEOPLE ARE AFFILIATED WITH THE BUSINESSES, THE SCHOOLS THAT HAVE PUT STRESS ON THAT AREA. WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE THINGS HAPPEN. I AM FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. MIKE FOLKER. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME [00:55:01] SPEAK THIS EVENING. MY NAME IS MIKE FLER. I LIVE AT 28 27 SHENANDOAH SHORES ROAD IN FRONT ROYAL. I'M ACTUALLY HERE ON BEHALF AND REPRESENTING CHRISTEN COLLEGE AT 1 34 CHRISTEN DRIVE. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY OF WHO WE ARE. UH, YES, WE HAVEN'T BEEN HERE SINCE 1969, BUT WE ACTUALLY MOVED HERE IN 1979. WE'VE BEEN HERE 43 YEARS AND WE STARTED WITH 26 STUDENTS. WE NOW HAVE OVER 542 STUDENTS AT THE COLLEGE REPRESENTING OVER 35 STATES. SO WE'RE A NATIONAL SCHOOL. THE COLLEGE EMPLOYEES ROUGHLY 185 FULL-TIME FACULTY AND STAFF LIVING IN BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY. SO THOUGH WE'RE LOCATED IN THE COUNTY, THIS TOWN PROJECT, UH, CERTAINLY AFFECTS US. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO JUST MAKE THIS THE POINT THAT WE BRING A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF REVENUE TO THE TOWN EVEN THOUGH WE'RE IN THE COUNTY. SO WE LOVE OUR TOWN, WE LOVE WHERE WE'RE LOCATED. WE HAVE A GREAT SPOT ON THE SHENANDOAH. GOD BLESSED US WITH A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE. WE HAVE ABOUT 200 ACRES, BUT THE COLLEGE'S POSITION ON THIS REZONING TO BE VERY CLEAR, IS THAT WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO GROWTH IN THIS AREA. WHAT WE WOULD BE OPPOSED TO IS, IS, IS POOR PLANNING. AND I THINK WE HAVE ECHOED TONIGHT WHAT WE HEARD MULTIPLE TIMES FOR PEOPLE LIVING OUT IN THAT AREA, UH, IS THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES THAT EXIST. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT THERE. I BUILT MY HOUSE IN NEAR SHANDO SHORES IN 1989. I'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME AS WELL. IN 2000 4 0 5, THERE WAS AN ENGINEERING STUDY DONE FOR THE HAPPY CREEK AREA. ONE OF THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAYS FROM THAT STUDY, AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE LATER, WAS THAT DEVELOPMENT IS COMING. IT WILL BE COMING. I GET THAT WHERE, WHERE THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA IS COMING THIS WAY. BUT THE TAKEAWAY FROM THAT WAS FROM THAT STUDY WAS PLANNED PRUDENTLY AND PROPERLY FOR THAT GROWTH. WE'VE HAD A INDUSTRIAL PARK DOWN THE STREET FROM US THAT'S BEEN LANGUISHING FOR DECADES. TRON PARKWAYS THERE, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO GO OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS, BUT THEY LANGUISH TRYING TO GET THE PROFFER INFRASTRUCTURE TO HAVE TRACTOR TRAILERS SERVICE THAT AREA. SO, UM, JUST WANNA MENTION THAT. SO IT, WE HAVE TO BE THINKING ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, THE DEVELOPERS, WE'VE SAID CERTAINLY HAS, HAS SHOWN THE FLYOVER, UH, EASEMENT AND THEN THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR. WHAT WOULD SEEM PROPER SINCE THEY'RE INCREASING DENSITY, GOING FROM THEREBY RIGHT FROM ONE HOUSE AN ACRE TO THREE WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY PROFFER MONEY BACK FOR SOME OF THESE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. I WOULD, I WOULD SPECIFICALLY SAY THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR. I UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS COST MONEY. UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT NAIVE TO SAY THAT YES, THERE'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, BUT WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE IN THE COUNTY. I'VE MET WITH TARAN LOGAN, AS YOU KNOW, SHE'S THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HERE, AND SHE WROTE SOME CONCERNS TO ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT BACK IN NOVEMBER, UH, DATED NOVEMBER 9TH, 2022. IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO READ HER COMMENTS IN THAT LETTER, WHICH I BELIEVE YOU RECEIVED. WE HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON PUBLIC SAFETY. THE COUNTY AND TOWN HAVE BEEN PLANNING FOR MANY YEARS TO ESTABLISH AN EAST WEST CONNECTOR ROAD IS AN ALTERNATE, ALTERNATE ACCESS OUT OF SHENANDOAH SHORES AREA TO PARALLEL HAPPY CREEK ROAD. THIS PROPERTY, MEANING THE REZONING PROPERTY, COULD ENCOMPASS THE START OF THIS PRO PROPOSED ROADWAY AS IT DEVELOPS. AND WE CERTAINLY WOULD SUPPORT THAT NOTION. UM, ANY PLAN DEVELOPMENT IN THAT, IN THIS AREA HAS TO CONSIDER THE SAFETY, UH, CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE THERE. UM, AND JUST A JUST A FINAL NOTE. I JUST WOULD LIKE, WELL, WELL, I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION TOO, FIRST BEFORE I FORGET. UM, I JUST WANTED TO QUESTION, DID VDOT SUBMIT THEIR REVIEW OF THIS PLANT? OKAY, UM, BUT MORE ON THE HAPPY CREEK ROAD ENGINEERING STUDY THEY MENTIONED EARLIER. I ATTENDED THAT BACK IN LATE 2004, AND IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN TOWN AND COUNTY PERSONNEL. THERE WAS TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS THERE, THERE WAS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THERE, THERE WAS OVER A HUNDRED CITIZENS AT THE NORTH RURAL FIRE DEPARTMENT WHERE WE DISCUSSED THE HAPPY CREEK AREA AND ALL THE DIFFERENT ENGINEERING AND, AND TRANSPORTATION STUDIES THERE. AND I JUST WANTED TO JUST EMPHASIZE, I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT KIND OF EFFORT CONTINUE. WE'RE WE'RE, WE TALK ABOUT THE TOWN, WE TALK ABOUT THE COUNTY. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE, WE'RE ONE ENTITY. OKAY. UM, I LIVE IN FRONT ROYAL, SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND THIS TAKES A LOT OF WORK TO GET THESE THINGS DONE. 30 SECONDS, SIR. UM, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY LET'S GET TOGETHER AND TRY TO GET THIS THING MOVING FORWARD WITH PURPOSEFUL AND MEANINGFUL, UM, PLANNING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR LAST SPEAKER, EXCUSE ME, OUR LAST SPEAKER TO SIGN UP. JANE ELLIOT. [01:00:11] GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JANE ELLIOT. I LIVE IN SHENANDOAH SHORES. AND, UM, I JUST WANNA TELL YOU ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I EXPERIENCED PERSONALLY. SO LAST JUNE 17TH, THERE WAS A TWO AND A HALF HOUR DELAY CAUSED BY THE TRAIN, STOPPED AT THE RAILROAD CROSSING INTO SHENANDOAH SHORES ROAD. MOTHERS ON THE TOWN SIDE WERE PREVENTED FROM GETTING THEIR YOUNG CHILDREN WHO WERE AT SPORTS CAMPS ON THE COUNTY SIDE WHEN THEY PARKED THEIR CARS AND ATTEMPTED TO CROSS BY FOOT OVER THE TRACKS. THEY WERE STOPPED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AND TOLD NOT TO PROCEED. THIS HAPPENED, UM, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AFTER THAT UVALDE INCIDENT, IF YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT INFAMOUS, UH, SITUATION WHERE THERE WAS, UM, A SHOOTING SOMEWHERE OUT WEST AT A SCHOOL AND PARENTS WERE PREVENTED FROM GOING INTO THE BUILDING. SO IT RESONATED IN A VERY NEGATIVE WAY. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WAS A MAN WHO HAD SCHEDULED SURGERY FROM THE SHENANDOAH SHORES SIDE OF THE TRACKS TO THE HOSPITAL. WHAT A MILE AWAY. HE COULDN'T GET TO IT, THE POLICE WOULDN'T ALLOW HIM TO, AND ULTIMATELY THERE WAS AN AMBULANCE ON THE OTHER SIDE TO COME AND PICK HIM UP. AND THEY FINALLY RELENTED MY OWN EXPERIENCE. I WAS THERE, I WAS THE THIRD PERSON ONLINE WHEN THE ARM WENT DOWN, I WAS ON AN IMPORTANT TRIP TO NEW YORK. I WAS DELAYED FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS, WHICH GOT ME INTO HORRENDOUS TRAFFIC IN NEW YORK. AND IT, IT JUST MADE THE WHOLE TRIP QUITE UGLY GETTING THERE. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT WERE PREVENTED FROM GOING TO WORK IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AT THE COLLEGE, AT THE SCHOOL. UM, SO, SO A LOT, THERE WAS A LOT OF EFFECT THAT THAT WAS NOT GOOD THAT MORNING. AND THIS WAS NOT AN ISOLATED INCIDENT. AND THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER EXTENDED TRAIN STOPPAGES SINCE THEN. SO, UM, HAS ANY CONSIDERATION BEEN GIVEN SHOULD AN EMERGENCY, LIKE A FIRE OR AN INDUSTRIAL ACCIDENT OCCUR ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE TRACKS OR GETTING A STROKE OR HEART ATTACK VICTIM TO THE HOSPITAL WHEN TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE LOSS OF LIFE POTENTIAL SERIOUS LEGAL LIABILITIES FOR THE TOWN AND COUNTY? SO IF YOU THINK THE TRAFFIC BACKUP AT THE CROSSING IS DIFFICULT NOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE IS A TRAIN STOPPAGE THAT CAN LAST FOR SEVERAL HOURS, WHAT CAN BE EXPECTED WHEN MANY MORE VEHICLES, MANY MORE RESIDENTS OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF FOUR AND FIVE BEDROOM HOMES WILL BE ADDED TO THIS ALREADY PRECARIOUS MIX. NOW, THIS IS NOT TO OPPOSE MR. SAWYER'S RIGHT TO SELL AND DEVELOP HIS PROPERTY. THE FIRST SOMETHING MUST BE DONE TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM OF THE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT ACCESS OF THIS AREA, UNLESS AND UNTIL A SECONDARY ROAD OR FLYOVER IS DEFINITIVELY CONSTRUCTED THERE, NOT JUST A VAGUE PART OF A FUTURE PLAN. UM, ADDING A HUNDRED PLUS HOMES WILL ONLY COMPOUND A VERY, AN ALREADY VERY SERIOUS AND POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS PROBLEM. AND, UM, UH, I MIGHT ADD THAT, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT OVER AT, UH, LAKE FREDERICK, THERE IS ALSO ONLY ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT OF THAT AREA. NOW THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH A RAILROAD CROSSING. UM, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN RYAN HOLMES, BUT PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION THERE AND OTHER BUILDERS, IT'S FIVE YEARS. THEY'RE WAITING 30 SECONDS FOR ANOTHER WAY OUT OF THAT THEY WERE PROMISED AT FIVE YEARS PRIOR. AND, AND THE RESIDENTS ARE STILL NOT, HAVE NOT OBTAINED THAT. SO I, I URGE YOU PLEASE NOT TO GO FORWARD UNTIL WE HAVE A SECOND WAY IN OR OUT FOR SAFETY'S SAKE. THANK YOU. THAT [01:05:01] WAS THE LANCE OF THE SPEAKERS WHO SIGNED UP. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? PLEASE COME FORWARD. IF YOU DON'T MIND, LEAVE, LEAVE THAT SHEET ON THE PODIUM AND SIGN IN PLEASE. THANK YOU. SORRY FOR MISSING TO SIGN UP. IS IT A, UH, ONS BASKETBALL GAME? UM, ROBERT MCDOUGLE 2370 SHENANDOAH SHORES ROAD, UH, LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER HERE ON MAIN STREET AS WELL. UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE TO, TO OUR TOP. UM, AND, AND, AND THANK YOU MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK FOR A MINUTE TONIGHT. UH, AT THE RISK OF REPEATING, UH, ALL THE VERY ELOQUENT COMMENTS THAT ALREADY MADE, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD START BY SAYING MR. SAM MYER'S, UM, SPEECH THAT WAS SPOT ON AND SORT OF HIT ALL THE WICKETS OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS. BUT THE MAIN THING IS, UH, AGAIN, ALSO NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT DONE SMARTLY DONE IN THE RIGHT ORDER AND, AND FOLLOWING THE PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT BEING MADE, UH, THE ACCESS IN THE RAILROAD, AS YOU'VE HEARD NUMEROUS STAMPS TONIGHT, UM, IS A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE SOLVED FIRST. UH, SO I WILL JUST ADD A COUPLE THINGS THAT MAYBE ARE NEW. I DID READ THE TRAFFIC STUDY, I DIDN'T SEE ANY REFERENCE IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY TO THE, THE RAILROAD ASPECT OF IT. IT IS FOCUSED ON TRAFFIC COUNTS ON THE, ON SHENANDOAH SHORES AND WHAT THE PROPERTY ENTRY AND EXIT TURNING LANES WOULD BE INTO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. BUT NO REFERENCE TO THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, WHICH IS THE, UH, THE RAILROAD IN THE UNFAVORABLE EFFECTS OF THAT. UH, AND THEN LASTLY, I'LL JUST REFERENCE, I BELIEVE IT'S STILL A DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE TOWN IS WORKING ON. UM, A COUPLE THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT. SO THE CHALLENGES IN THE CHALLENGES SECTION OF THE, OF THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE NORTHEAST REGION, WHICH COVERS THE, UM, THE AREA AND CONCERN TONIGHT. THE FIRST CHALLENGE MENTIONED RAILROAD IS A BARRIER TO ROAD ACCESS, PARTICULARLY FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS RESIDENTIAL USES. SO AGAIN, THIS IS ALREADY IDENTIFIED BY OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE PLAN THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER FOR THE FUTURE. SECOND CHALLENGE, NEED FOR SIGNIFICANT UTILITY AND TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, AND THEN IT REFERENCES PROGRESS DRIVE AND OBVIOUSLY SHINDO SHORES ROAD AS WELL BEING DEAD END STREETS WITH LIMITED ACCESSIBILITY. UNDER THE ACTION STRATEGIES, UH, PORTION, JUST HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE ITEMS. PLAN FOR EXTENSION OF PROGRESS DRIVES SO THAT IT WILL CONNECT WITH FUTURE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN ENCOURAGE PLAN DEVELOPMENTS FOR FUTURE USES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING AREAS. FUTURE REZONING APPLICATIONS SHOULD GIVE CONSIDERATION TO DESIGN AND COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUNDING USES. UM, I THOUGHT THE PROPOSAL THAT I SAW EARLIER WAS NOT CONFORMING WITH THAT ACTION STRATEGY, BUT I THINK THE UPDATED VERSION, UH, MUCH MORE SO IS SO NOT AS RELEVANT. UM, ACTION STRATEGIES CONTINUED APPROPRIATELY PHASE NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SO THAT IT, IT OCCURS AS FUTURE TRANSPORTATION IS ADDRESSED. SO AGAIN, JUST AS MR. STAN MEER MENTIONED, NOT PUTTING THE CART IN FRONT OF THE HORSE HERE, GETTING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE SUITED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT BEFORE WE PROCEED FURTHER, ENSURE THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT CONTRIBUTES FAIRLY TOWARDS NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE. IDENTIFY THE IMPACTS TO FIRE AND UH, RESCUE SERVICES. SO AGAIN, I JUST, I KNOW YOU, YOU ALL HAVE PRODUCED THIS DOCUMENT, YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT I JUST, UH, MENTIONED THAT FOR THE RECORD. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? PLEASE COME FORWARD, SIGN YOUR NAME AND GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS. IS IT OKAY IF I SIGN MY NAME AFTER YOU SIGN IT AFTER? MY NAME IS JESSE BROOKS. I LIVE AT 82 OVER BROOK LANE, FRONT, ROYAL VIRGINIA 20 26 30. THAT MEANS THAT I AM A RESIDENT OF SHENANDOAH SHORES. UM, I'M ALSO A BOARD MEMBER OF THE SHENANDOAH SHORES PROPERTY ASSOCIATION. UM, AND ONE OF THE REASONS I JOINED WAS BECAUSE I REALLY CARED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT I LIVED IN AND I WANTED TO HELP, UM, FIGHT FOR A WAY FOR THERE TO BE ANOTHER ENTRANCE OR EXIT INTO THE COMMUNITY. UM, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR TOO LONG CUZ MANY OTHERS TONIGHT HAVE SAID MUCH BETTER THAN ANYTHING I COULD. UM, BUT I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO ECHO THAT I AM NOT AGAINST, UH, ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. UM, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE THE THINGS TO HAPPEN IN THE CORRECT ORDER AND I CARE FOR THE UTMOST, UH, SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY. UM, I'VE PERSONALLY BEEN IMPACTED MANY TIMES BY THE TRAIN AND, UM, JUST BY THE FACT THAT SHENANDOAH SHORES ROAD IS, YOU KNOW, A TWO-LANE ROAD, WHICH WITH NO NOT MUCH SPACE ON EITHER SIDE OF IT. UM, AND I JUST THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A, UH, TRAVESTY TO REZONE THIS LAND NOW AND WITHOUT HAVING A, THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR WITHOUT HAVING A BRIDGE OR A TUNNEL. COLONEL SANDBERG SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED SOMETHING ELSE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THESE EXTRA PEOPLE. AND I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD, WE SHOULD HOLD OFF IN THE REZONING UNTIL ANOTHER EXIT IS FOUND. THANK YOU. [01:10:02] THANK YOU. HERE YOU GO. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ANYONE ELSE? SECOND CALL. ANYONE ELSE? THIRD AND FINAL CALL. SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING TONIGHT FOR THIS APPLICATION. UH, AT THIS TIME I WOULD, UM, ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE BE RECOGNIZED. MR. CHAIRMAN, I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. COMMISSIONER MARNER, GO AHEAD. UM, THE APPLICANT, MR. I, I, I GOT YOUR FIRST NAME BUT I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR LAST NAME, I APOLOGIZE. OH, THAT'S OKAY. TY LAWSON. LAWSON LAWSON. YES, SIR. I HEARD THE THAI PART WHEN YOU, YOU GET THE LAWSON PART. MR. LAWSON, I HAVE A QUESTION. I REALIZE THAT'S A PRELIMINARY DRAW DRAFT THERE. UM, BUT AS IT IS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE STREETS ARE NARROW, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS STANDARD PRACTICE. YOU'RE TALKING FOUR OR FIVE BEDROOM HOUSES, RIGHT? I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY CLOSER TO FOUR, BUT GO AHEAD. I'M OKAY. UM, THAT'S SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. GONNA BE FOUR CARS PER HOUSEHOLD. WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PARK? IF YOU'LL RECALL WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE WORK SESSION? FIRST OF ALL, THE STREETS THAT WE'RE BUILDING ARE TOWN STREETS AND WE'RE, WE WOULD HAVE TO DESIGN THEM TO, TO TOWN STANDARDS. THE OTHER IS YOU ALL HAVE A PARKING REQUIREMENT IN YOUR ORDINANCE. AND SO THESE ARE TWO CAR GARAGES PLUS PARKING IN THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF. SO THE, THE WAY THIS IS DESIGNED AND WOULD HAVE TO BE DESIGNED IS TO ALLOW FOR PARKING ONSITE AND ALSO, UH, WHERE IT APPLIES STREET PARKING. AND, AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE, WE MORE THAN MEET YOUR ORDINANCE AND ALSO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE OUR KIDS AND, AND SO ON, YOU'RE RIGHT, IS THEY GROW UP AND DRIVE. THE OTHER END OF THAT HAPPENS TOO, THE FATHER OF FIVE AND THEY'RE ALL NOT AT HOME. SO WE'RE IN THE HOME WITH THE GARAGE AND THE PARKING AND SO ON, AND IT'S JUST THE TWO OF US. IT'S JUST VERY, THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT THERE WOULD BE TWO CARS PER HOUSEHOLD COMING IN AND OUT OF SADDLE CREST OR SADDLE RIDGE. SORRY. ACTUALLY I'M, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. ACTUALLY. THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE TO GET THE LEVEL OF SERVICE B AND MAINTAIN THAT WE ACTUALLY DID IT AT 142 UNITS. WE'VE PROFFERED THE LESSER NUMBER. YOU REMEMBER, WE, WE HEARD YOUR COMMENTS AND RIGHT. AND SO WE SHRUNK. UM, BUT AS FAR AS, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A, WHAT I WAS REFERRING TERM TO IN TERMS OF PARKING AND TWO CAR GARAGES AND PARKING IN THE DRIVEWAY AND SO ON, ARE YOUR ORDINANCES THAT THAT'S NOT FROM A TRAFFIC STUDY? NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. I WAS KIND OF CHANGING THE SUBJECT THERE. OH, I'M SORRY. SO, CUZ KITTLESON CAME UP WITH THE CONCLUSION THAT THERE WOULD REALLY BE NO IMPACT ON TRAFFIC FROM THIS EVEN WHEN IT WAS FULLY BUILT OUT. AND SO MY QUESTION WAS, WERE THEY ASSUMING TWO HOUSE, A TWO CARS PER HOUSE? THAT I THINK THAT I, I THOUGHT I READ THAT, BUT THAT'S WHY I WAS, WELL, ACTUALLY I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHAT I THINK YOU'LL FIND, AND IT'S, THESE REPORTS ARE CHALLENGING TO READ. I'LL AGREE WITH YOU. UM, I BELIEVE WHAT THEY DO IS THEY FOLLOW THE, THE VDOT MANUAL, WHICH ASSUMES A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TRIPS PER HOUSE, PER DAY. AND, AND DON'T HOLD ME TO THIS, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S ROUNDED UP 10, UM, WHICH I, I FIND THAT AS KIND OF HARD TO, AGAIN, I'M, I'M IN A HOUSE AND THERE ARE ONLY TWO OF US, AND WE DON'T DO 10, BUT NEVERTHELESS, THEY FOLLOW A DISCIPLINE AND A RECOGNIZED DISCIPLINE WHEN THEY DO THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY. SO 10 TRIPS PER DAY PER HOUSEHOLD, I BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT THE MANUAL CALLS FOR. THERE ARE ALSO OTHER ELEMENTS THAT ARE FOLDED IN, AND AS YOU RECALL, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE WORK SESSION, THEY ACTUALLY DID LIVE TRAFFIC COUNTS ON, ON TWO SEPARATE DAYS. AND WE MADE SURE THOSE WERE DAYS WHEN SCHOOL WAS IN SESSION AND SO ON. RIGHT. SO THERE'S NO FUNNY BUSINESS AND SOMEBODY'S DOING IT ON A SATURDAY OR, YOU KNOW, A HOLIDAY NO, I REMEMBER THAT. AND, AND WE, WE VERIFIED THAT THAT WAS THE, AND AGAIN, THEIR CERTIFIED, THOSE SCHOOL DAYS, THEIR PROFESSION REQUIRES THAT THEY DO THAT IN ORDER TO GIVE YOU A, [01:15:01] AN ACCURATE STUDY THAT NOT ONLY COMPLIES WITH, WITH ENGINEERING STANDARDS, BUT ALSO VDOT STANDARDS. SO 10 TRIPS PER DAY PER HOUSEHOLD FOR 135 HOUSES. THAT'S 1,350 MORE TRIPS A DAY ON SHEENA SHORES ROAD. AGAIN, I THINK THEY RAN IT AT 1 42, SO IT'D ACTUALLY BE AN EVEN HIGHER NUMBER THAT THEY, THEY STRESS TEST THE ROADS, IF YOU WILL. RIGHT. AND STILL WERE ABLE TO, TO COME UP WITH, UH, A LEVEL OF SERVICE B OR BETTER. AND THAT WAS CARS COMING OUT OF THIS PROJECTED NEW SUBDIVISION ONTO SHEO SHORE ROAD AND POTENTIALLY STOPPING ON SHEO SHORE TO WAIT FOR A TRAIN. YES, MA'AM. AND THEY, THEY DID IT IN REAL TIME. THEY ACTUALLY WENT TO THE SITE TRAIN AND ALL AND, AND ALL THE, THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT APPLY AND THEY FOCUS PRIMARILY ON THE AM AND PM TRIPS BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S WHEN YOU TYPICALLY HAVE YOUR BUSIEST, UH, AND, AND MOST NUMBER OF TRIPS. BUT THEY, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IS IN THE REPORT, I THINK THEY START IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS AND RAN ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE DAY ON, ON BOTH, BOTH OCCASIONS. OKAY. OKAY. UM, 10 TRIPS PER DAY PER HOUSEHOLD. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. LAWSON. UM, ASSUMING THAT THIS WOULD GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL AND EVERYTHING, WHAT IS THE, UH, START DATE? WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT THE START DATE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT TO BE? THE FIRST SHOVEL, THE FIRST HOUSE. ACTUALLY, I, I DON'T KNOW, UM, MR. LANHAM'S HERE FROM, FROM RYAN HOLMES, BUT I I, THERE'S CERTAIN APPROVALS, PERMITS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE OBTAINED, LAND DISTURBING PER PERMITS AND THE LIKE, I, I'M AS ASSUMING IT'S 2025. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OF, I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR WHAT, WHAT YOU SAID 2025 WOULD BE THE SITE PLAN, SITE DEVELOPMENT. SITE DEVELOPMENT, STARTING WORK. SO THAT'S THE STARTING WORK. IT TAKES TIME TO OBTAIN PERMITS. IS IS THE PROBLEM. OKAY. SO, BUT NOT THE PROBLEM. IT'S THE REAL WORLD. REAL WORLD. YES, MA'AM. RIGHT. SO THAT'S TWO YEARS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? QUESTION FOR STAFF? UM, THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR, WHAT IS THE BEST GUESS WHEN THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT? THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR WAS PROFFERED BY AN ADJACENT LANDOWNER, OR AT LEAST THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTION OF IT. MM-HMM. , AND I THINK THAT WAS BACK IN 2012. UM, AND SO AT THIS POINT, STAFF DOESN'T HAVE A, I CAN'T GIVE YOU AN ACCURATE ESTIMATE AS TO WHEN THAT CONSTRUCTION WOULD BEGIN. WE DO HAVE IT IN OUR C I P, NO MONEY HAS BEEN ALLOCATED AT THIS POINT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ANY ENGINEERING STUDIES DONE FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR. AND HOW MANY HOUSES WERE IN THAT SUBDIVISION THAT'S BEEN APPROVED? UH, PER THE, UH, PROFFERS, UH, FOR FRONT ROW LIMITED PARTNERSHIP. I BELIEVE THERE'S OVER 300 HOMES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN, OR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE HOMES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. UM, BUT THAT IS PREDICATED ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY. UH, THIS MAP DOESN'T SHOW THE ENTIRE PARCEL, BUT THIS HERE, THIS KEEPS GOING OFF ON ME. UM, THIS YELLOW LINE HERE, THAT IS THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR. MM-HMM. , THAT IS TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY HERE IN QUESTION. UM, AND THIS PROPERTY WOULD ACCESS OFF OF THAT EASTWEST CONNECTOR MM-HMM. ONCE THIS WAS CONSTRUCTIVE, BUT THIS WOULD LEAD TO A LARGER PARCEL THAT'S OFF THE MAP, BUT THAT IS WHERE AS OF NOW WE HAVE AND DOESN'T THAT EAST WEST CONNECTOR END, UM, DIRECTIONALLY BEFORE BING CROSBY STADIUM AND HAS TO CROSS NORFOLK SOUTHERN'S TRACKS YES. AND EMPTY INTO WHERE THE TOWN YARD IS. CORRECT? I BELIEVE IT'S PLANNED TO TERMINATE SOMEWHERE AROUND MANASSAS AVENUE. UM, MM-HMM. NEAR THE TOWN'S PUBLIC WORKS FACILITIES. AND ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT ON THE BOOKS OUT THERE THAT'S BEEN APPROVED THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS IF I MIGHT, UH, AND JOHN, DON'T GET THE PITCHFORKS OR THE TAR AND FEATHERS READY JUST YET. [01:20:01] , WHAT I'M GONNA SAY, UM, IN, IN MY OPINION, THE ISSUE OF THE FLYOVER IS, IS NO LONGER A PLANNING ISSUE. AND I'LL SAY THAT IN THE MOST GENERAL OF TERMS IN THAT WE'VE PLANNED FOR THIS SINCE AT LEAST 1978 WHEN IT WAS ANDEX. MR. KILBY, UH, ENLIGHTENED THIS IN FROM THE FIFTIES. I DON'T GO QUITE BACK THAT FAR IN MY RECOLLECTION OF THAT AREA, BUT, UH, BUT I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE SURVEY WHEN THIS WAS ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN. WE ACTUALLY SURVEYED IT IN 76 AND IT WAS, UH, ULTIMATELY ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN IN 78. PART OF THAT PROCESS, THE TOWN AND PLANNING COMMISSION UNDERSTOOD THAT, UH, WE HAD TO HAVE A WAY TO GET ACROSS EITHER THE RAILROAD OR FROM THE INTERCHANGE THAT HAS, THAT HAS BEEN IN THE PLANNING STAGES SINCE, SINCE 78. WITH THAT BEING SAID THAT IT'S A PLANNING ISSUE. IT HAS NOW BECOME THE SECOND PHASE OF PLANNING, WHICH IS EXECUTION. AND AS MUCH AS I HATE TO SAY IT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS AS MUCH AUTHORITY AS WE HAVE IN REVIEWING THE DESIGN, ET CETERA, WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY FOR FUNDING OR FOR PUSHING THESE PROJECTS AHEAD. UH, I KNOW WHICH, WHICHEVER WE GO, WHICHEVER WAY WE VOTE TONIGHT, WHETHER WE, UH, VOTE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR, UM, UH, REZONING OR DENY IT, IT'S, IT'S STILL REQUIRES COUNCIL APPROVAL. ALL WE DO IS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. UM, AND IN THIS CASE, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND IF WE DO APPROVE IT, EVEN IF WE DON'T APPROVE IT, THAT WE HAVE TO START LOOKING AT FUNDING THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS AREA. THAT, THAT IS PAINFULLY CLEAR FROM ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS TONIGHT. AND BELIEVE ME, I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT TO BECOME A PUBLIC SPEAKER HERE AND SPEAK YOUR THOUGHTS. AND I, FOR ONE, GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT IN COMING OUT TONIGHT. NOW, NOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, APPROVING OR DENYING IS NOT GONNA HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE TRAINS. IF WE DO NOT APPROVE THIS REZONING REQUEST TONIGHT. THE TRAIN IS STILL GONNA BLOCK TRAFFIC WHETHER WE APPROVE IT OR NOT. SO, WHICHEVER OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, I'M GONNA STRONGLY RECOMMEND TO COUNSEL AND NOT JUST COUNSEL CAUSE I WILL GET, GET, GET, MAKE A STATEMENT ON THAT, THAT, THAT THEY'RE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR FUNDING. WE'VE HAD THIS IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOREVER, SINCE WE'VE BEEN USING A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. AND WHATEVER FUNDS HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED GET USED FOR SOME OTHER IMPORTANT PROJECT AT THE TIME. WELL, I THINK FROM WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT IS THAT NOW IS THE TIME FOR THIS AREA. UH, MR. KILBY SAYS WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER. AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT JOHN ALLUDED TO THAT, THAT IT'S NOT A TIME FOR DIVISION BETWEEN TOWN AND COUNTY. I MEAN, IN, IN 19, UH, 78 1 OR 76 WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, KRISNA WAS JUST AN IDEA. THE COLLEGE DIDN'T GET STARTED TILL, WHAT, 77, IF I'M NOT CORRECT. UH, SHANDO SHORES WAS JUST A RECREATION SUBDIVISION. THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE HAD A SUMMER HOME THAT CAME FROM THE CITY AND SPENT THE SUMMER, UH, IN THAT. AND NOW THAT HAS TURNED INTO A FULL-TIME SUBDIVISION. AND CHRISTO, OF COURSE, HAS GROWN LEAPS AND BOUNDS WITH NOT ONLY THE 500 PLUS STUDENTS, BUT ALSO THE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF TWO CHAPELS OUT THERE, WHICH IS GOING TO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC. SO I IMPLORE YOU THAT YOUR, YOUR WORDS ARE HEARD TONIGHT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. BUT YOU WILL ALSO NEED TO PUSH TOWN COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT, THE MAJORITY OF THE GROWTH RIGHT NOW, SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE 500 HOUSES. WELL, THERE'S ONLY 30 LOCATED CURRENTLY NOW IN THE TOWN. THE OTHER 500 ARE IN THE COUNTY. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NO LONGER A TOWN VERSUS COUNTY ISSUE LIKE IT WAS WHEN WE ANNEXED THE LAND IN 78, THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC IS COMING FROM THE COUNTY. NOW, WITH THAT SAID, UM, OF COURSE THE THE 600 POUND GORILLA IN THE ROOM IS WHO PAYS FOR IT? WHO PAYS FOR THIS? YOU KNOW, THE, THERE'S VARIOUS PHILOSOPHIES. WELL, DEVELOPERS [01:25:01] SHOULD PAY FOR IT. WELL, THERE'S NO WAY A DEVELOPER OF 140 ACRES CAN BUILD A 33 MILLION FLYOVER. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN ANY SCENARIO NOW. SO IT HAS TO BE, AS MR. KILBY SAID, COLLABORATION. WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER THE TOWN, THE COUNTY, AND I'M CERTAINLY GOING TO SPEAK WHEN THIS GOES TO TOWN COUNCIL, TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO, TO LOOK INTO HOW WE CAN FUND THESE TRANSPORTATION, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE ITEMS. BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY SEPARATE FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW WITH, WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. UH, AS THE TRAFFIC STUDY INDICATED, THE SADDLE CREST DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT, UH, LOWER THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THE INTERSECTION TO LOWER THAN B AM. I I'M CORRECT. WHICH IS A PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE METHOD OF, OF, OF EFFORT. NOW, THE PROBLEM ARISES WHEN THE TRAIN COMES THROUGH AND BACKS IT UP, UP. I MEAN, THERE'S NOBODY DISPUTING THAT, THAT THAT'S, IS, IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. BUT IS THAT THE FULL RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND OUR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT? WE HAVE MASTER PLANNED THIS AREA NORTH OF THE RAILROAD FOR PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. EAST OF, OF SANDO. SHORES ROAD IS PRIMARILY INDUSTRIAL. WE HAVE THE SMALL INDUSTRIAL PARK, AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF THE REST OF THE LAND IS IN FACT, RESIDENTIAL AND DEEMED FOR HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. AS OUR RECENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, SURVEYS INDICATED, WHICH, WHICH REALLY PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. BUT AS FAR AS THE, UH, FLYOVER GOES, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT TO THE APPLICANT THAT THEIR PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE FLYOVER, UH, DIFFERS FROM OUR 1991 ENGINEERED LANDS THAT WE HAD PREPARED, UM, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. WE, IN 2016, WE CONSTRUCTED A PORTION OF THE LECH RUN PARKWAY FROM, UH, ROUTE 55 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY TO HAPPY CREEK ROAD. AT IS TERMINUS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED TO BE A FLYOVER AT THAT POINT AND CONNECT INTO THE, UM, UH, CHANO SHORES ROAD AT A, UH, FURTHER WEST OF WHERE THE LOCATION IS NOW. NOW, I, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS A PROBLEM, BUT I WOULD AGREE WITH VDOT IN THAT WE SHOULD HAVE AN ENGINEER LOOK AT IT. AND AS YOU KNOW, WE NO LONGER HAVE AN ENGINEER ON TOWN STAFF. UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT ABLE TO, UH, REQUISITION OR SPEND MONEY TO HAVE AN ENGINEER REVIEW THIS. AND ONE OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL WILL BE TO FUND A TRANSPORTATION, UH, OR, OR TO AT LEAST LOOK AT THE, THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK OUT THERE, AS WELL AS COME UP WITH SOME REAL COST NUMBERS FOR OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS. UH, THE OTHER COMMENT I WOULD MAKE TO THE APPLICANT, UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE INTER PARCEL ACCESS TO THE PIECE TO THE WEST. UH, COULD, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT, THE ROAD A, WHICH IS RUNS FROM, UH, EAST TO WEST AND ENDS IN A CUL-DE-SAC? UH, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT ONE LOT DOESN'T FRONT YOU. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET ROAD FRONTAGE ON THAT ONE LOT AT THE END OF THE TERMINUS OF THAT CUL-DE-SAC. BUT THAT SHOULD EXTEND, UH, TO THE PROPERTY LINE TO MEET OUR INTER PARCEL ACCESS, UH, CONDITIONS. UM, I KNOW WE HAVE TO GET ACROSS THE CREEK, BUT, UM, UH, I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT, AT, AT LEAST IN THE SUBDIVISION PHASE, WHICH IF WE DO THAT, THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ROAD A BECOMING A COLLECTOR ROAD INSTEAD OF JUST A, THE NORMAL SUBDIVISION ROAD. AND A COLLECTOR ROAD HAS A 65 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY WITH 40 FOOT OF PAVEMENT. UH, THAT'S, THAT'S IN OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. UM, THE LAST ITEM THAT I HAVE TO COMMENT ON IS THE PROFFER OF MONEY FOR THE SCHOOLS. UH, WE DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM, UH, THE COUNTY STAFF, UM, QUESTIONING IF THE CONTRIBUTION WAS ENOUGH. UH, THE, THE PROPOSED PROFFER 5.1 CALLS FOR $3,551 TO BE PROFFERED PER LOT FOR SCHOOLS. AND APPARENTLY THE COUNTY ANALYSIS REQUESTS $4,735 FOR SCHOOLS AND 4,000 FOR PARKS FOR A TOTAL OF 8,700 [01:30:01] AND AND $70. NOW, AGAIN, NEGOTIATIONS ON THE PROFFERS ARE A MATTER OF COUNCIL, NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE DON'T GET INVOLVED AT THIS LEVEL WITH NEGOTIATION OF A PROFFER. SO I WOULD ALSO, UH, RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL WHEN THIS IS FORWARDED TO THEM, TO, UH, WHETHER IT'S WHETHER WE OFFER OR RECOMMEND DENIAL OR APPROVAL, THAT WE DEVELOP SOME TYPE OF PROCESS TO NEGOTIATE THESE PROFFERS, UH, THAT'S FAIR AND EQUITABLE FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED. UM, AND THEN THE, MY LAST LITTLE COMMENT, UM, I'M CONCERNED AS TO HOW MANY UNITS ARE ACTUALLY BUILT A YEAR. UH, WE ARE A SMALL COMMUNITY. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF STAFF. UH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE HANDLING 35 OR 40 BUILDING PERMITS FOR HOUSE CONSTRUCTION A YEAR. AND THAT'S, AND WE, WE CAN'T REALLY HANDLE MANY MORE THAN THAT WITHOUT AN INCREASE IN STAFF. SO I WOULD, UM, UH, LIKE TO SEE, UH, PERHAPS COUNSEL CLARIFY THAT AS TO HOW MANY HOUSES THEY WANT TO SEE BUILT IN OUR COMMUNITY. UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, CLOSE WITH OR MY STATEMENT WITH, UH, THANKING STAFF FOR THEIR EFFORTS IN THIS. UH, THIS IS NOT AN EASY PROCESS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD A MAJOR REZONING SINCE 2009, I RECKON WOULD BE THE LAST ONE WE HAD. UH, PROFFERS ARE, ARE A LEGAL, UH, QUAGMIRE. UH, WE'VE HAD TO CONSULT WITH AN ATTORNEY OUTSIDE OF OUR, UH, STAFF. UH, STAFF HAS BEEN REDUCED, UH, IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING OFFICE. SO, SO THEY'RE WORKING VERY HARD TO GET US THE INFORMATION. AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T MEAN TO, UH, CAST ANYBODY ASIDE OR, OR, OR SAY THAT WE'RE NOT LISTENING TO YOUR COMMENTS. BUT, UM, BUT WHICHEVER WAY WE GO, I WANT YOU TO, TO, TO, TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS WITH COUNSEL. UM, GO TO YOUR, YOUR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. UH, TONIGHT IS PERHAPS MAYBE THE FIRST TIME WE ARE HEARING OF THE, UH, DANGER THAT IS, UH, PRESENTED BY THE TRAINS BLOCKING AND THE, AND THE BLOCKING OF THE TRAINS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE. UH, AGAIN, WE, WE COULD PUT, YOU KNOW, THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR AND, AND EVERYTHING IN, BUT UNTIL WE WE SOLVE THAT CROSSING, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ISSUES THERE. SO, UH, PLEASE TALK WITH YOUR SUPERVISOR AND TALK WITH YOUR, YOUR COUNSELOR AND, AND HELP US, UH, SOLVE THIS TH THIS ISSUE THAT WE HAVE. UH, I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP ANY MORE TIME IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY COMMISSIONERS. I, YOU, SO I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THIS COMMENT SHOULD COME LATER, PERHAPS AFTER THE VOTE OR MORE BEFORE, BUT, UM, I'M JUST REVIEWING A COUPLE OF THE FACTS BY, RIGHT, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. SARAH COULD PUT 30 PLUS HOUSES THERE TODAY BY RIGHT. IT WOULD BE ONE PER EIGHT BY RIGHT. AND DO NOTHING. SO WE, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THE COUNTY AND, AND CHAIRMAN MERCHANTS ALREADY MENTIONED IT, THE COUNTY HAS NO MORATORIUM ON BUILDING. SO IF PEOPLE, UH, IN THE COUNTY WANTED TO BUILD 500 MORE HOUSES OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THERE'S NO MORATORIUM ON THAT. OKAY? DO WE NEED HOUSING IN THIS COMMUNITY? UM, YES. I'VE GOT A, UH, A SON, DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AND TWO CHILDREN LIVING WITH ME LOOKING FOR A HOUSE RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S A, IT IS VERY APPARENT TO ME, AND, AND I KNOW REALTORS AND I, I WATCHED THE MARKET AND DO WE NEED IT? YES. IS FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY GONNA GROW? YES. DO WE DO IT IN A SMART WAY? AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, THAT'S WHY I DECIDED TO COME BACK ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WAS APPOINTED BY THE TOWN. IS THIS A GOOD PLAN? WELL, UH, AGAIN, CHAIRMAN MERCHANT HAS RAISED A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I, I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T ENVISION THE ACCESS ROAD TO THE, UH, FUTURE EAST, WEST QUARTER, WHENEVER THAT WILL BE BUILT. UM, ARE WE GRATEFUL FOR THE PROFFERING OF THE LAND? BECAUSE ANYTIME BDO LOOKS AT MAKING, UM, DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THE FIRST THING IS DO WE HAVE THE LAND? DO WE HAVE THE ACCESS, THE RIGHT OF WAY TO DO THIS? AND, AND THANK YOU, TY, FOR CONVINCING YOUR CLIENT, UM, TO PROFFER MOST OF THAT. NOW, IF YOU COULD GET A SIGNATURE ON THAT OTHER LITTLE BLOCK UP THERE, THAT'D BE GREAT. UM, [01:35:03] WILL IT IMPACT THIS AREA? I'M CERTAIN THAT IT WILL, HOW LONG WILL IT, SO WE'RE TALKING 2025 STARTING IF WE GOT THE CONNECTOR OR FLYOVER IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN, MY MATH, I WENT TO WARNER COUNTY, SAID THAT'D BE 2028 BEFORE THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLY COMPLETED. SO OVER 12 YEARS AGO, WE, WE IMPROVED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT PROFFERED TO HELP BUILD THE EASTWEST HIGHWAY. AND TODAY, THERE STILL ISN'T A ROOM, THERE ISN'T, AS A PLANNING COMMISSION, WE CANNOT CREATE FUNDS TO PROVIDE THESE ROADS. AGAIN, WE ARE AN ADVISORY. WE, WE TAKE THE INFORMATION, WE MAKE SURE CODES ARE MET, WE HAVE EXPERTS ON THE STAFF. WE, WE BRING IN ATTORNEYS AND ENGINEERS AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT. BUT I HAVE TO SAY BEFORE WE GO TO THE VOTE, AS A RESULT OF LACK OF CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, NEED TO SERVE THE SIXTH AREA, I WILL VOTE NO FOR THIS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, YOU DO. NOT YET. NO MOTION YET. EXPLAIN THAT. UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE, THE COMMENTS THAT I MADE, I WILL BE PRESENTING TO COUNSEL. THEY WILL NOT BE CONDITIONS, UH, ON THE, EITHER THE DENIAL OR THE RE APPROVAL. BUT, UH, BUT I WILL BE SPEAKING TO COUNSEL, UH, AT THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE, WITH THAT, WITH THOSE COMMENTS OR AT THE WORK SESSION IF THEY'LL, IF THEY'LL LET ME. MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I ASK A QUESTION, MR. STAFF? YES. FORGIVE ME. FORGIVE ME FOR NOT ASKING THIS A MOMENT AGO, BUT, UH, IT WAS, IT CAME INTO MY MIND AS I WAS HEARING MY COLLEAGUE, UH, MENTION THE LAND AND THE, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY ENGINEERING, DO WE KNOW OR CAN THE TOWN SHOW OR CAN THE DEVELOPERS SHOW THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE NECESSARY LAND FOR THE FLYOVER? YOUR QUESTION WAS DO WE HAVE THE NECESSARY LAND? YES. I MEAN, IT'S VERY GENEROUS OF, OF, UH, OF, TO HAVE THAT, THAT PROFFER. BUT IS THAT ALL WE NEED OR WHAT, WHAT MORE DO WE NEED? THAT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION. THAT WAS ONE OF MY STATEMENT POINTS WAS THAT WE SHOULD GET AN ENGINEER TO LOOK AT THIS REVISED ROUTE, WHICH LOOKS OKAY, BUT AGAIN, IT DOES CONFLICT SOMEWHAT WITH OURS. BUT AGAIN, WE CAN'T DO THAT. COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT, AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD RECOMMEND THEM TO PROCEED WITH IT. SO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE'D BE VOTING BLIND FOR A PIG IN A POKE, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF WHAT THAT IS IS ADEQUATE. WELL, WHETHER WE VOTE AFFIRMATIVE OR NO IS GOING TO COUNSEL OH, ABSOLUTELY. SURE. REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, VOTING NO, TONIGHT DOES NOT STOP THIS PROJECT. IT'S GOING TO GO TO COUNCIL. I WANT TO MOVE IT AHEAD ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. AND I THINK WE OWE THAT TO THE APPLICANT TO MOVE IT AHEAD ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I DON'T WANT TO TABLE IT FOR AN UNDETERMINED AMOUNT OF TIME TO, TO GET TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO AUTHORIZE. SO, UH, MY PREFERENCE IS TO SEND IT ON TO COUNSEL, APPROVE IT, BUT WITH THESE CONDITIONS THAT POINT OUT TO THEM THAT THAT NOW IS A TIME TO START LOOKING AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND LET COUNCIL MAKE THE DECISION. IF THEY WANT TO SLOW THIS APPLICATION DOWN AT THIS POINT OR PROCEED. I MEAN, WHO, WHO KNOWS? MAYBE A COUNCIL IS SITTING ON 33 MILLION WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WANTS TO BUILD THIS, THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS THERE STRANGER THINGS HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO HAPPEN. BUT, BUT AGAIN, WHETHER WE DENY IT OR APPROVE IT IS STILL GOING TO COUNCIL. YES, TOTALLY THE SAME RECOMMENDATIONS. AND IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE A BIT OF DIFFERENCE ON THE TRAIN TRAFFIC TOTALLY. UNTIL, UNTIL SOMEBODY BUILDS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY TO GET IN THERE. TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT, BUT THE, UM, UH, I, THE, THE, THE QUESTION IN MY MIND IS WHAT CAN THIS PLANNING COMMISSION DO, UH, IN TERMS OF THIS MOTION, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE THE TOOL WE HAVE IN OUR HANDS. WHAT CAN WE DO TO PERSUADE, CONVINCE, DEMONSTRATE INTEREST THE TOWN COUNCIL IN DEVELOPING THE [01:40:01] POLITICAL WILL TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS? BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S POLITICAL WILL, THERE'S ACTION. I CAME ACROSS A, UH, AN ARTICLE FROM THE, UH, NORTHERN VIRGINIA DAILY IN 2012. IT WAS TALKING ABOUT BLEACH RUN. THAT WAS THE NEWS ITEM AND A SENTENCE HERE. THE TOWN ACQUIRED A PORTION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY NEEDED NEARLY 20 YEARS AGO. UH, THE TOWN AND COUNTY ASKED THE ED A TO ACQUIRE THE REMAINING RIGHT OF WAY. UM, I MEAN, THAT'S AN EVIDENCE OF POLITICAL WILL THEY INTENDED TO DO THAT. IT TOOK 'EM A WHILE, BUT THEY WERE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING. WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO TONIGHT TO LIGHT A FIRE UNDER THE TOWN COUNCIL? WELL, I DON'T LIKE THAT TERM LIGHT OF FIRE. I DON'T THINK COUNCIL IS DOING ANYTHING WRONG. I MEAN, BUT THEY'RE NOT. IT'S, IT'S JUST, DO WE GET THEM TO FOCUS ON, THIS IS MY, NOW THE TIME HAS COME. UM, UH, ONE THING, IF WE DENY THE APPLICATION TONIGHT, THEN NONE OF THE CONDITIONS WE DISCUSSED ARE VALID. WELL, I REALIZE THAT. SO IF WE APPROVE IT WITH THESE CONDITIONS, BUT WITH RESERVATIONS TO COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE WITH THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, THEN THESE CONDITIONS ARE APPLICABLE. IF WE DO NOT APPROVE IT, THEN THE CONDITIONS WE HAVE IN THIS PROFFER, OR EXCUSE ME, IN, IN THIS APPLICATION IN THE DRAFT MOTION GOES AWAY. SO THAT'S WHY I'M RELUCTANT TO DENY IT. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE, WE VOTE. SO, UH, I THINK THE NEXT THING WOULD PROBABLY BE TO, TO HAVE A MOTION. THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT MOTION. AGREED. OKAY. SO DOES ANYBODY WISH TO MAKE A MOTION? OKAY, SO AT THIS TIME, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE TOWN COUNCIL FOR APPLICATION 20 23 85, TO RECLASSIFY APPROXIMATELY 43.9 ACRES IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP NUMBER TWO A 2 21 DASH THREE A FROM S STATE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, R E TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R ONE A WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. CONDITION ONE, THE APPLICANT WILL AMEND THE PROFFER STATEMENT TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE ADDRESSING THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO EXPAND AND INSTALL THE ONSITE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IN ACCORDANCE WITH TOWN CODE CHAPTER 1 34, CONDITION TWO. THE APPLICANT WILL AMEND THEIR PROFFERS TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE ADDRESSING THEIR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE COST OF INSTALLING STORMWATER FACILITIES ON SITE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, CHAPTER 1 48 OF TOWN CODE, AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THE STORMWATER STRUCTURES BY THE HOA CONDITION. THREE. THE APPLICANT WILL AMEND THEIR CONCEPT PLAN TO PROVIDE THE SIZE AND LOCATION OF OPEN SPACE AREAS. CONDITION FOUR. THE APPLICANT WILL CONSTRUCT THE ENTRANCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH TOWN AND VDOT STANDARDS. CONDITION FIVE. THE APPLICATION WILL AMEND THE PROFFER STATEMENT, INCLUDING THE CONCEPT PLAN TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS RAISED BY THE TOWN'S OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO THE TOWN'S SATISFACTION. UH, WE HAVE A MOTION WITH CONDITIONS. IS THERE A SECOND TO THE MOTION? I'LL SECOND SO WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? IS IT POSSIBLE TO ADD MORE CONDITIONS? MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, WE COULD AMEND THE MOTION IF YOU WISH TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT. WE WOULD, UH, CONSIDER THE AMENDMENT WHEN WE, WHEN WE JUST SHORT WHILE AGO APPROVED THE BARBARA SAMUEL'S SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THERE WAS A CONTINGENCY IN THAT, THAT IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS WERE NOT MET, WE WOULD WITHDRAW THE U. I REALIZE THIS IS NOT A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BUT CAN WE, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD BE PUT AS A CONDITION THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IF THERE'S EVIDENCE OF, YOU KNOW, IF THE TOWN GETS THE ENGINEERING BY A CERTAIN DATE, UH, THAT OUR, OUR APPROVAL IS CONTINGENT UPON HAVING AN ENGINEERING STUDY BY A CERTAIN DATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL OR FOR STAFF. YES. THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN. THAT SITE PLAN WOULD HAVE TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH [01:45:01] 1 75, OR SORRY, 1 48 OF OUR CODE. WE WOULD NOT ALLOW ANY APPLICATION TO GO THROUGH THAT WAS NOT IN CONFORMANCE WITH OUR REGULATIONS. AND THIS BODY WOULD ALSO REVIEW THAT SITE PLAN. IT WILL BE A MAJOR SITE PLAN. UM, IT WILL COME HERE. IT'LL COME BACK, AND THAT WILL INCLUDE THE STREET ISSUE. UM, OUR TOWN CODE, IT'S, UH, 1 48, I BELIEVE EIGHT 20 LAYS OUT THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR TOWN STREET. SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A SET WIDTH AND WE HAVE A SET RIGHT OF, OR PAVEMENT WIDTH AND RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH. THERE'S NO DEVIATION FROM THAT UNLESS THEY WERE TO GET A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WHICH WOULD ALSO COME TO THIS BOARD TO CHANGE THAT. RIGHT. BUT THAT WASN'T WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. WHAT, UH, WELL, I I THINK IT'S IMPLIED THAT IF THEY DON'T MEET THE CONDITIONS, THEY WON'T GET APPROVAL, FINAL APPROVAL. RIGHT. BUT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED? I WAS TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER CONDITION SUCH AS, SUCH AS IF THE, IF THE TOWN DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD IN GETTING ENGINEERING STUDY BY A CERTAIN DATE, SO THAT WE KNOW THAT THE LAND IS ADEQUATE FOR A FUTURE FLYOVER, THAT IF THERE ISN'T SOME, SOMETHING DEFINITE BY A DATE CERTAIN THAT WE CAN WITHDRAW OUR RECOMMENDATION. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT, BUT, UM, LEGAL, CAN YOU HELP ME OUT HERE? I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN PLACE A CONDITION ON THE TOWN TO ACT. THIS IS CONDITIONS BEING PLACED ON THE APPLICANT, CORRECT? YEAH. YEAH. I, THAT, THAT'S, I REALIZE I'M BEING A LITTLE BIT CREATIVE HERE AND CHAIRMAN NER, WE DO NOT HAVE MONEY ALLOCATED ASIDE TO HIRE AN ENGINEER TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS, UM, LAYOUT. WELL, I REALIZE WE DON'T, WE, BUT, BUT IF THERE'S A POLITICAL WILL TO DO SOMETHING, THE TOWN COUNCIL HAS BEEN KNOWN TO FIND MONEY TO DO THINGS. ARE YOU RUNNING FOR OFFICE? , HEAVEN FORBID, . UH, AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT BY MANY PEOPLE FOR UMPTEEN YEARS, MORE THAN WE CAN COUNT. SO HOW DO WE KNOW THAT IF WE APPROVE THIS, IT'S NOT GONNA BE TALKED ABOUT FOR ANOTHER UMPTEEN YEARS AND NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN? I MEAN, OUR JOB IS TO, TO REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF THE PUBLIC AND TO ENSURE THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS SUPPOSED TO DO. AND WE REALIZE THAT'S AT STAKE HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, WELL, AGAIN, LEGAL COUNSEL HAS SAID THAT THESE CONDITIONS ARE THE CONDITIONS FOR THE APPLICANT NOT FOR RIGHT. NO, I REALIZE THAT. I REALIZE THAT. UH, SO IF YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION, MAKE THE MOTION AND WE'LL VOTE WHETHER WE WANT TO ADD IT TO THE CONDITION. WELL, I'M TRYING TO GET SOME SENSE FROM STAFF AND COUNSEL WHAT THE, WHAT THE MOTION SHOULD BE SINCE YOU REALIZE WHAT I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE. I I MEAN, I, I, I, SO THE FIRST APPLICATION WAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. WE CAN PUT A CONDITION NO, I REALIZE THAT WE CAN REVOKE IT. YEAH. I CAN'T REVOKE A REZONING. WE CAN'T. OKAY. OKAY. YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER REZONING TO, RIGHT, RIGHT. CAN IT COME IN FORM OF A RECOMMENDATION ADDED TO THE MOTION? UH, WELL, AGAIN, MY, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT I WAS MAKING, I'M GONNA PRESENT THEM MYSELF TO COUNSEL. THAT'S MY PERSONAL FEELINGS. AND AS A CITIZEN, I'M GONNA BE MAKING THOSE COMMENTS. UH, I'LL BE HAPPY TO INCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS IF YOU WANT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, HOLDING THIS DEVELOPMENT HOSTAGE FOR AN ACT OF COUNSEL TO ME, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE, THE, THE WAY TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. NO, I REALIZE THAT. AND, AND, AND I HOPE MR. SARAH UNDERSTANDS THIS IS NOTHING PERSONAL. MR. SARAH IS A A I LOVE, DON'T WORRY. AND I LOVE YOU TOO, TOM. SO WE GOT THAT CLEARED. BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I GREW UP HEARING STORIES OF, UH, HOLY ANGELS SCHOOL IN CHICAGO, UH, WHERE 92 KIDS DIED IN A SCHOOL FIRE, OKAY? BECAUSE THERE WERE NO FIRE, UH, ESCAPES SHORTLY THEREAFTER, STATE LAWS CHANGED AND FEDERAL LAWS CHANGED. I DON'T WANT FRONT ROYAL TO GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS THE PLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, 60 KIDS DIED BECAUSE THE FIRE ENGINE COULDN'T GET TO THE SCHOOL. AND, YOU KNOW, WELL, I WOULD POINT OUT THE, THE FALLACY IN THAT ARGUMENT IN THAT THERE IS A FIRE DEPARTMENT IN SHANNON SHORES [01:50:01] THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO CROSS THE RAILROAD, BUT, BUT TO GET TO THE HOSPITAL, THEY CERTAINLY DO. SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. YEAH. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE, THIS IS THE MOMENT WHERE WE HAVE TO, UH, CREATE A PUBLIC WILL AND A POLITICAL WILL TO FIX THIS PROBLEM, WHICH HAS, BY ALL ACCOUNTS BEEN GOING ON FOREVER. I DON'T THINK WE DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL. SO, SO, SO WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND. DO YOU WANT TO AMEND THE MOTION? NO. WELL, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT I CAN AMEND THE MOTION TO COMMUNICATE THE INTENSITY WITH WHICH THE PLANNING COMMISSION WISHES TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC HEALTH ASPECT OF THIS REZONING? IS THAT YOUR MOTION? NO, THAT'S A QUESTION OF THE, SHE'S ASKING STAFF AND THE LAWYER, SHE'S ASKING, HOW CAN WE COM COMMUNICATE THAT IN THIS, IN THIS RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL, UM, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I SUPPOSE A SEPARATE RESOLUTION BY THIS BODY AT SOME POINT, UM, DIRECTED TO COUNSEL, UM, OUTLINING THOSE CONCERNS, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE AS PART OF THIS MOTION. ALL RIGHT. SO COUNSEL IS RULED TO OTHERWISE, OKAY. NO, I, I GET AN INAPPROPRIATE MOTION THAT, THAT MAKE, THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. AND, UH, AND I WILL, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL INTRODUCE A RESOLUTION AFTER THIS ONE IS RESOLVED. I'M SORRY, MAY I HAVE YOUR PERMISSION, MR. CHAIRMAN, TO INTRODUCE ANOTHER RESOLUTION AFTER THIS ONE IS DEALT WITH A RESOLUTION OR A CONDITION, A RESOLUTION, SEPARATE RESOLUTION AS COUNSEL SUGGESTED AFTER WE TAKE CARE OF THIS ACTION? YES. RIGHT? RIGHT. SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT, MS. POTTER, WOULD YOU CALL A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. VICE CHAIRMAN NER BE, BECAUSE THIS IS SO OUT OF CONFORMITY WITH OUR, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH DICTATES THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL BE PHASED IN AS INFRASTRUCTURE IS DEVELOPED. I, I'M AFRAID I HAVE TO VOTE NOW. CHAIRMAN MERCHANT? YES. COMMISSIONER WELLS? YES. COMMISSIONER WOOD? NO. OKAY. WE HAVE A TIE VOTE. SO THE MOTION FAILS. UM, UH, GEORGE, IF I UNDERSTAND ROBERTS RULE CORRECTLY, WE NEED NOW ANOTHER MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICATION, OR IS THIS, I DON'T, IS THIS DENIAL? OKAY. IT'S A TIE VOTE, SO IT DOESN'T GO FORWARD. SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE UP ANOTHER MOTION FOR A RECOMMENDATION, UH, YOU CAN ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION. OKAY. RIGHT NOW THERE'S TIE VOTE MEANS YOU, YOU HAVEN'T ADVANCED ANYTHING TO COUNT. CORRECT? SO, SO, SO THE MOTION FAILS BASICALLY, UH, TWO TO TWO TIME, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS. CAN I INTRODUCE MY RESOLUTION, UH, WHEN WE GET TO IT? YES. LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE AGENDA FIRST, OKAY? OH, BECAUSE IT'S NEW BUSINESS, I UNDERSTAND. UH, AND YOU CAN PROBABLY DO IT ON OUR COMMISSION. MEMBER COMMENT. MR. CHAIRMAN MADE THE PLACE TO DO IT. I'M SORRY. THAT MOTION FAILS BASED ON A THAI VOTE, CORRECT? THE CHAIR CAN ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION. OKAY. UH, ANOTHER MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY IT? NO, MY SEPARATE, WELL, NOT MY SEPARATE RESOLUTION. HE'S TALKING ABOUT, WELL, NOT TO APPROVE THAT, THAT JUST FAILED BASED ON I, SO THE ONLY OTHER MOTION IS DENIAL , WHICH WE'VE BASICALLY DONE, BUT I THOUGHT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT MY SEPARATE RESOLUTION. CHAIRMAN NER, YOUR RESOLUTION CAN COME DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RIGHT? AS COMMISSIONER COMMENTS PORTION OF THE MEETING. OKAY. UH, WELL, THE CHAIRMAN, JUST, JUST TO GEORGIA'S CURIOSITY, ARE THERE ANY OTHER MOTIONS REGARDING THE APPLICATION, THE REZONING APPLICATION, 20 2003 85? NO OTHER MOTIONS, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. UH, OLD BUSINESS, OLD BUSINESS, WE HAVE NONE. UH, NEW BUSINESS, WE HAVE NONE. [10. PLANNING DIRECTOR REPORT] PLANNING DIRECTOR REPORT, COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR UPDATE ON YOUR MONTHLY REPORT? UM, STAFF HAS PROVIDED THE MONTHLY OR [01:55:01] THE NUMBERS FOR DECEMBER OF, UH, 22. WE HAD, UM, 25 ZONING PERMITS, 13 NEW CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN 70 AND 80 STILL OPEN. UM, WE HAD NO CODE AMENDMENTS. WE HAD WON LAND USE APPLICATION, NINE SIGN PERMITS, AND FIVE BUSINESS LICENSE APPLICATIONS. FOR THE, UM, YEAR TO DATE, WE'VE HAD APPLICATIONS FOR 37 NEW DWELLING UNITS, AND WE HAD, UM, 280 ZONING PERMITS TOTAL FOR THE 2020 OR 2022, UM, CALENDAR YEAR, UH, 424 CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES, 56 LAND USE APPLICATIONS, ZERO CODE AMENDMENTS, 41 SIGN PERMITS, AND 155 BUSINESS LICENSES. UM, THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE WARREN PAINT, UM, BUILDING, UM, THAT WAS APPROVED. UH, AND THE TOWN COUNCIL WILL ALSO BE HEARING THE APPEAL TO THE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEWS, DENIAL FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DEMOLISH THE MURPHY THEATER BUILDING. THAT'S IT. UM, YEAH, IF YOU'RE GONNA DISCUSS ITEMS, PLEASE GO IN THE HALLWAY SO WE CAN FINISH BUSINESS. THANK YOU. UM, HOW MANY CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, CASES YOU HAD? SO THE TOTAL FOR THE YEAR WAS 424. 424. UM, WE HAD 13 NEW CASES IN DECEMBER, BUT WE HAVE OVER, I THINK BETWEEN 70 AND 80 THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPEN. SO THOSE ARE INSTANCES WHERE STAFF GOES BACK TO THE PROPERTY. AND DOES, UM, WE TEND TO DO MULTIPLE INSPECTIONS EVERY, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S 10 DAYS UNTIL THE, THE VIOLATION IS, UH, ADMITTED REMEDIATED. UH, JUST AS A SUGGESTION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS ADDED AS A CATEGORY AS TO HOW MANY WE APPROVE, UH, ON A MONTHLY AND ANNUAL BASIS. THINK LAST YEAR WE WERE AT 14. YEAH, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE IT WAS, BUT I, BUT I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT NUMBER, ABSOLUTELY. NUMBER TO, TO HAVE SINCE SHORT TERM RENTALS WERE, UH, POINT OF CONTENTION. BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT AND INFORMATION. OKAY. THE, UM, NEXT WILL BE COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS. UM, CONNIE, IF, IF THIS IS WHERE YOU WISH TO DISCUSS, BUT IN YOUR MOTION, KIND OF MUTE NOW THAT THE MOTION HAS TO APPROVE, IT HAS FAILED. ACTUALLY, NO, I THINK IT'S KIND OF AN EXPLANATION OF IT. UH, AND I THINK IF WE SEND, IF, UH, IF WE PASS THIS SEPARATE RESOLUTION AND SEND IT TO THE COUNCIL, IT WILL EXPLAIN TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE WORLD IN GENERAL. UM, WHY THE, UM, THE, OKAY. SO, SO WHAT IS YOUR MOTION? MY MOTION? UM, MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE. OKAY. IT'S A NOT FINAL WORDING. I'LL, I'LL WORK WITH YOU ON THE FINAL READING, CONNIE. AFTERWARDS. WHEREAS PUBLIC COMMENT ON APPLICATION NUMBER, UH, 2 2 0 3 85, UH, HAS DEMONSTRATED SERIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY, HEALTH AND WELFARE ISSUES, UM, WITH THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE NORTHEAST PART OF TOWN. AND WHEREAS THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES ON PAGE 180 8, UM, THIRD BUTTON FROM THE BOTTOM, UH, FUTURE REZONING APPLICATIONS SHOULD GIVE CONSIDERATION, UM, SORRY, PREVIOUS SENTENCE, ENCOURAGE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. SO FUTURE USES ARE COMPATIBLE, UH, WITH SURROUNDING USES. AND, UH, AS TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVES, WE HAVE THAT IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS, UM, IS A VIOLATION OF THAT PRINCIPLE BECAUSE WE, THIS RESOLUTION WE SEEK TO DEVELOP FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AS INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVES. AND SO THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION URGES THE TOWN COUNCIL IN STRONGEST POSSIBLE TERMS TO UNDERTAKE ACTION, UH, WITH ALL POSSIBLE DISPATCH THAT WILL, UH, UM, MOVE THE EASTWEST CONNECTOR OR FLY OVER FROM HYPOTHETICAL PLAN TO ACTION WITH A PLAN OR WORDS TO THAT EFFECT. I MEAN, I OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO FINISH THE WORDS POTTER. WRITE ALL THIS DOWN. I'LL, [02:00:01] I'LL HAVE TO BE OFF THE RECORDING. YEAH. WELL, I'VE, I'VE SCRIBBLED, I'VE SCRIBBLED HERE TOO. SO I'VE, UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE, MY, MY PURPOSE HERE IS TO EXPLAIN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE'RE NOT NIMBYS, WE'RE NOT ANTI-DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE NOT ANTI TOMS FAIR, NONE OF THOSE THINGS. WE ARE JUST PRO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. AND THIS PROPOSAL, THIS PROPOSED REZONING WAS NOT IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. AND THAT'S THE POINT THAT I JUST WANT TO CONVEY TO COMMUNICATE. BUT YOU WANT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONVEY THEY WANT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO, TO CONVEY. SO THAT, THAT'S MY MOTION. OKAY. THAT'S A VERY LONG MOTION, FOLKS. UM, DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT FOR DISCUSSION? SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SHOULD I ASK HER TO REPEAT THE MOTION? ? I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. WE'RE AS PUBLIC CO. OH, WE'RE GOOD. WE'RE GOOD. OH, OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION, I BELIEVE, AND A SECOND. OKAY. UM, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? COULD THIS BE SOMETHING, UH, DRAFTED BY OUR, UH, COUNSEL AND PRESENTED IN A WORK SESSION? IT CERTAINLY COULD. YES. I, I THINK IN, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO READ BACK THROUGH A PARAGRAPH HERE AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT INSERTED WORDS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DIRECT COUNSEL TO BRING A DRAFT IN THE NEXT WORK SESSION, OR, OR WE MAKE A DRAFT AT A WORK SESSION. OR, OR, THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. EITHER I WOULD, I WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO, OKAY. SO YOU WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION. I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION. OKAY. UPON THAT KIND OFFER. THANK YOU. THEN, THEN WE WILL PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE WORK SESSION, AND YOU CAN TYPE UP A NICE, UH, GET MY THOUGHTS, MOTION AND YES. AND GO FOR A GOLD. WILL DO. THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER COMMISSION MEMBER COMMENTS OR REPORTS? UH, CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNMENT OF THIS MEETING SIGNIFIED BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED THE AYE. HAVE IT, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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