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[Town Planning Commission and Warren County Planning Commission on November 2, 2022.]
UH, WITH THE RECORD STATE THAT THIS IS A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE TOWN AND FRONT ROYAL PLANET COMMISSION AND OUR COUNTERPARTS AT THE COUNTY, THE WARREN COUNTY PLANET COMMISSION.UH, WE HAVE QUORUMS SO WE CAN BEGIN WITH A MEETING.
FIRST OFF, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME ALL OF YOU.
UH, I THINK IT'S GREAT AND WAY PAST DUE THAT, UH, THE, UH, BOTH OF OUR COMMISSIONS GET TOGETHER.
UM, TONIGHT, I HOPE WE CAN DISCUSS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
AND I BELIEVE YOU GUYS AND GALS ARE ALSO WORKING ON, UH, EITHER UPDATING OR YOU CREATING A NEW ONE.
I'M SURE, MATT, TELL US ABOUT IT AS FAR AS, UH, THE, UH, ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT.
UH, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LAUREN, UH, OR, AND THEN SHE WILL, OR YOU GONNA GO TO MATT FIRST? WE'LL GO TO MATT FIRST.
UH, WE DO A LOT OF, UH, MAPPING PROJECTS TOGETHER, BUT, UM, UH, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET OUTTA THE MEETING TONIGHT IS APPEAL FOR WHAT, UH, THE FUTURE OF OUR LOCALITY, UH, THE TOWN AND COUNTY WE'RE CONNECTED AT THE HIP.
I MEAN, WHAT HAPPENS IN ONE IMPACTS THE OTHER? I THINK WE KNOW THAT, AND I THINK IT'S PRUDENT THAT WE LOOK AT, UH, ESPECIALLY WHERE, WHERE WE TOUCH THE COUNTY AND DIFFERENT AREAS OF WHAT, UM, WHAT LAND USE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
AND, AND SO WE CAN MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.
AND HOPEFULLY YOU GOOD PEOPLE WILL DO THAT ALSO, AS WELL AS TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, UH, THAT, UM, THAT WE WILL ALWAYS PROBABLY BE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL ON, ON TRANSPORTATION.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN BUILD IMPROVEMENTS, UH, QUICK ENOUGH TO, UH, TO MEET THE DEMAND.
BUT, UM, BUT WITH THAT SAID, UH, MATT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, PICK UP NEXT? SURE.
UM, I'LL GIVE MR. MYERS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO CALL THE MEETING IN ORDER FROM OUR STANDPOINT.
SO WE'VE GOT EVERYBODY, EVERYTHING COVERED FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, AND THEN FROM HIM WE'LL MOVE AROUND THE TABLE.
I'D JUST LIKE TO HAVE EVERYBODY INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.
MAYBE JUST SAY WHERE, WHERE YOU LIVE IN THE COUNTY AND MAYBE WHAT YOU DO OR HOW LONG, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT.
AND WE'LL JUST KIND OF, UH, GO THAT ROUTE.
START STARTERS IN, WE'LL CALL THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
I'M ROBERT BYERS, CHAIR OF THE ME COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M CURRENTLY IN MY THIRD TERM WITH THE COUNTY.
AND BEFORE THAT, I THINK I ENDED UP DOING THREE TERMS OF THE TOWN AT ONE TIME.
AND I LIVE OFF HAPPY CREEK ROAD, YOU KNOW, IN THE TOWN.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK TO THE
I, I'VE BEEN A SITE WORK ESTIMATOR FOR PARIS AND SUNDRY NORTHERN VIRGINIA COMPANIES SINCE LIKE ABOUT 84, 85 IN THERE.
CURRENTLY WORK FOR ALLEN MEYERS AND NOT RELATED AND, AND BEEN HERE ALMOST 12 YEARS.
UH, BEEN ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I THINK THIS IS MY, I'M JUST STARTING IN MY THIRD TERM AS WELL.
THE, UM, SECOND GENERATION LOCAL EXCAVATING CONTRACTOR, BUILDING CONTRACTOR.
UH, CURRENTLY MY PRIMARY IS SEPTIC SYSTEM.
UH, WE'RE DOING A LOT, WE'RE SUPER BUSY FOR NOW.
I DON'T KNOW FOR HOW MUCH LONGER, BUT CURRENTLY WE ARE VERY BUSY.
UM, BUT I KNOW MOST OF THE TRADES AND SMALL, YOU KNOW, LOCAL REAL ESTATE AND, UH, CONTRACTING PEOPLE CAUSE THEY USUALLY WORK WITH THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS.
SO I GOT A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LOCAL SUBS, KIND OF, UH, I HAVE GOOD CONTACTS WITH THEM, SO THAT KIND OF HELPS ME, UM, LINK OUR BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S NOT ALWAYS PERFECT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WITH, YOU KNOW, ALSO MEMOR, OUR LITTLE BUILDER ASSOCIATION.
SO I KIND OF GET TO WORK ACROSS THE LINES THERE A LITTLE BIT TO TRY TO KEEP THINGS GOING THE RIGHT WAY.
I LIVE OUT SIX 19 NEAR, THERE'S, I'M SHOOTING DISTANCE IN THE AIRPORT, SO, UM, BEEN THERE MY WHOLE LIFE OR SINCE I WAS TWO, SO.
I'M A NEWBIE ON THE COMMISSION.
UM, I'M, UH, RETIRED FEDERAL EMPLOYEE.
WORKED FOR THE PATENT OFFICE FOR 35 YEARS.
I WORKED AS A EXAMINER AND AS A SUPERVISOR IN THE FLUID HANDLING AREA.
I LIVE IN THE ROCKLAND AREA OUT, UH, WORK THAT WAY,
WE HAD A HOUSE HERE, UH, BEGINNING 2003
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AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MOVED OUT HERE FULL TIME ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO AND, UH, REALLY ENJOYED THE AREA AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON THE COMMISSION.AND, UH, I'M, I'M REPRESENTING THE SHENANDOAH DISTRICT.
GREG HAS A LITTLE EXPERIENCE BEING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN.
HE'S COME THROUGH WITH A PROCESS FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL IN A RURAL EVENT FACILITY.
SO HE KIND OF, THAT'S WHERE HIS EXPERIENCE IS.
MY SECOND, UH, MY SECOND JOB,
THE OLD FARMHOUSE 1781, THE BACK PART OF IT, IT'S BEEN ADDED ONTO, BUT IT'S A, A HISTORIC HOUSE, SO WE FIXED IT UP, RENT IT OUT, AND, UH, JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, ENJOYING LIVING OUT THERE AND INTERACTING WITH EVERYONE.
UH, MY NAME'S KAYLEY RICHARDSON.
I GREW UP IN LONDON, BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE, UM, MOVED AWAY FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME WITH MY HUSBAND.
HE WAS IN THE MILITARY, SO WE WERE STATIONED IN OUR, UM, IN KANSAS.
CAME BACK, UM, SADDLED IN BENTONVILLE.
UH, HAVE A LITTLE FARM OUT THERE AND I AM KIND OF CHANGING THE THOUGHTS OF THOUGHT PROCESS OF AGRICULTURE AND TRYING TO TEACH MORE WITH TODAY'S, HOW TODAY'S, YOU KNOW, THE SOCIAL MEDIAS AND ASPECTS OF, OF THAT.
UM, SO I DO THAT PRETTY MUCH FULL TIME.
UM, BUT THEN ALSO, UH, MY FAMILY, I WORK WITH THEM, UM, WITH THEIR COMPANY OFF OF 5 22.
WE ARE, UH, CODING APPLICATORS, UH, FOR A LOT OF THE MILITARY GOVERNMENT, UM, ENTITIES.
UM, BEEN DOING THAT WITH THEM FOR MY WHOLE LIFE AS WELL.
SO, AND I AM REPRESENTING, UM, MY DISTRICT IN BENTONVILLE AND THEY HAVE CONDITION USE PERMIT ALSO FOR BUSINESS
I KNEW HER MOTHER AND DAD BEFORE I MET HER.
I'M SCOTT KRIS, UH, ORIGINALLY FROM MICHIGAN, UH, MOVED HERE AFTER THE MILITARY IN THE DC AREA WHERE I WAS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY MANAGER, ASSET MANAGER.
SO I WAS THE GUY GOING AROUND BUYING AND SELLING BUILDINGS, SIDING, LEASES.
UH, LIVED IN ALEXANDRIA FOR 20 YEARS, SERVED ON THE EISENHOWER, UH, PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP, WHICH WAS A SUBGROUP OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE, FOR THE CITY OF ALEXANDRIA.
UH, RIGHT NOW I, FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS I'VE LIVED IN BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS AND CURRENTLY THE HOA PRESIDENT
ANY WHY AND I'M SEMI-RETIRED FROM THE DOOM MILITARY AND OTHER REASONS.
I AM THE PLANNING DIRECTOR FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
I'VE LIVED HERE FOR, GOSH, MAYBE GOING ON FOUR YEARS NOW.
I'VE BEEN IN THIS POSITION A YEAR AND A HALF.
UM, TOOK OVER AFTER TIM WILKIN.
I'VE GOT A BACKGROUND IN, UM, URBAN PLANNING, VIRGINIA TECH.
AND, UH, I SPENT THE FIRST SIX YEARS OF MY CAREER WORKING IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR FOR AN ENGINEERING FIRM THAT, UM, DID KIND OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE.
DO YOU WANT YEAH, NO, NOBODY WANTS, WE DON'T INTRODUCE ATTORNEYS.
I'M A CHAIR OF THE TOWN PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M RETIRED, UH, FROM THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.
I WAS THEIR GIS COORDINATOR, PLANNER, AND, UH, CARTOGRAPHER.
UM, I'M CURRENTLY DOING LAND SURVEY AND I'M A LICENSED LAND SURVEYOR AND ENGINEER AND DO, UH, CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WORK HERE IN TOWN AND COUNTY.
UM, I'VE ONLY SEE, I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FIVE YEARS.
WHEN I RETIRED FIVE YEARS AGO, THEY APPOINTED ME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M MY FIRST TERM ON THE CHILD'S PLANNING COMMISSION.
UH, I'M FORMER 20 YEAR RESIDENT IN SHEO VALLEY.
MOVED UP HERE FULL-TIME AFTER FINISHING SCHOOL.
UH, LIVED HERE IN TOWN FOR EIGHT YEARS.
GOT A LITTLE HOUSEHOLD ON, UH, WARREN AVENUE,
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UH, FOR A FULL-TIME JOB.I'M A, I'M A PROJECT MANAGER FOR SECURITY FOR SECURITY INTEGRATOR IN THE DC METRO AREA.
SO, UH, WHEN I'M NOT WORKING FROM HOME, UM, TRAVELING THROUGHOUT NORTHERN VIRGINIA TO CONTRACTOR SITES, I'M CONNIE MARSH.
I'VE BEEN LIVING IN THE FRONT ROW FOR OVER 30 YEARS, UH, UH, BACKGROUND IN A NON-PROFIT, UH, MANAGEMENT AND, UH, IN FUNDRAISING.
UH, AND I, I VIEW, I LIVE IN TOWN, OF COURSE, IN THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD AND I VIEW MYSELF AS THE CITIZEN'S VOICE
UH, DANIEL WELLS, I'M THE NEWEST GUY FOR THE, FOR THE TOWN PLANNING COMMISSION, KNOWN FOR ABOUT TWO MONTHS.
UH, BORN AND RAISED HERE IN FRONT ROYAL.
LIVED HERE ALL 36 YEARS OF MY LIFE.
UH, CURRENT OCCUPATION, I'M THE SAFETY ENFORCEMENT DIRECTOR FOR VIRGINIA OSHA.
I'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR FIVE YEARS, BEEN WITH OSHA FOR 12 TOTAL.
WORKED FOR THE COUNTY FOR EIGHT YEARS PRIOR, AND BEFORE THAT I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL,
I'VE BEEN WITH THE COUNTY FOR 18 YEARS NOW.
UH, DID AN INTERNSHIP WITH REGIONAL COMMISSION BEFORE THAT AND MOVED UP KIND OF THROUGH THE PLANNING RANKS.
I'M NOW THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, BUT I'VE BEEN ACTING, UH, COUNTY FLOOD PLAN MANAGER FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS.
SO I WORE A LOT OF HATS IN THAT TIME.
OR I'LL TELL YOU, WHEN YOU'RE A PLANNER, YOU, YOU TEND TO DO THAT.
UM, SO, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS.
THIS IS, UH, THE FIRST TIME IN THAT, IN THE TIME I'VE BEEN WITH THE COUNTY THAT, THAT WE'VE HAD TO THIS JOINT MEETING.
AND I THINK IT'D BE EXTREMELY, UH, BENEFICIAL TO US.
I THINK, UH, I WAS REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS AND, AND WANNA THANK LAUREN AND DARRELL FOR THE INVITE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO THANK, UH, MY STAFF.
CHASE, UH, CHASE LENS IS OUR ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND HE'S HERE TO, UH, TAKE SOME NOTES TONIGHT AND, UH, JUST WANT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SOME SUPPORT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, DOWN, OF COURSE, CONNIE, WE CAN'T FORGET CONNIE OVER THERE.
ANYWAY, SO, UH, WITH THAT, UM, I'LL GIVE IT TO LAUREN.
AND LAUREN YOU CAN DO YOUR PRESENTATION WHEN THIS TOWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN DILIGENTLY WORKING ON FOR THE CLASSROOM.
UM, AND SO THAT'S PRESENTATION.
I'M JUST KIND OF GOING TO KIND OF TAKE YOU THROUGH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR AND THEN THE STRUCTURE OF THE PLAN.
AND THEN I'VE PRINTED OUT DIFFERENT PIECES SO WE CAN KIND OF FOCUS MAINLY ON THE TRANSPORTATION SECTIONS CUZ ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO KIND OF REALLY DIG INTO.
UM, SO, AND I'LL SPEED THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK.
I MEAN, THIS IS JUST EXPLAINING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS GUIDING DOCUMENTS.
SO FOR US, WHAT IS MEMORIAL GONNA BE IN THE NEXT 20 TO 30 YEARS? UM, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE FORCE OF LAW, BUT TOGETHER WITH THE ZONING MAP AND THE UM, ZONING SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, THIS IS HOW WE REALLY GUIDE AND CONTROL DEVELOPMENT THAT, UM, HAPPENS IN THE TOWN.
AND SO FOR US, UM, WE HAVE NOT ADOPTED A NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR SIGNIFICANTLY EDITED THE ONE WE HAVE SINCE 1998.
UM, A LOT HAS CHANGED IN 25 YEARS.
UM, AND SO FOR US, WHAT WE'VE CHOSEN TO DO IS WE'VE, WE'RE WRITING, WE'VE REWRITTEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN WE'VE ALSO CONTRACTED WITH, UM, SUMMIT ENGINEERING TO HELP US REWRITE THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
AND THAT WAY THEY KIND OF, THEY BOOKEND TOGETHER AND IT JUST KIND OF HELPS BRING THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO FRUITION.
UM, BECAUSE IF YOU UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUT THEN YOU DON'T GO AND UPDATE YOUR ZONING SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND THEY DON'T MESH WELL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA ACHIEVE THE GOALS IN THE COMP PLAN.
UM, I WAS KINDA SEEING WHAT I JUST SAID.
UM, SO BASICALLY LIKE OUR INITIAL THOUGHT WITH, UM, COUNCIL HAS THIS, UM, IT'S NOT A CATCH PHRASE.
I THINK THEY'VE GOT A GOAL THAT THEY WANNA BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND, UM, I THINK A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED IS, UH, JUST THEN, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN OUR SMALL TOWN CHARM.
AND THEN THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE STARTED TO GO WITH THIS.
BUT, UM, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS.
WE HAD A LEADERSHIP FORUM BACK IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.
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HAD THE FIRST KICKOFF MEETING, UM, WITH THE PUBLIC BACK IN NOVEMBER.WE RELEASED A, UM, AN EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT BACK IN DECEMBER AND THROUGH JANUARY WE'VE BEEN, UM, WE TOOK PUBLIC INPUT FOR ABOUT A MONTH.
IT WAS UP, IT WAS UP FOR ACTUALLY TWO MONTHS AND WE RECEIVED LIKE 350 SOME RESPONSES ONLINE.
UM, AND ALL OF THOSE RESPONSES WE'VE ACTUALLY PUT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO PEOPLE CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL THE FEEDBACK WE GOT.
AND THEN THEY CAN ALSO UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT FROM FEEDBACK TO A FINISHED PRODUCT.
AND THEN WE ISSUED THE DRAFT BACK IN SEPTEMBER.
UM, THIS FALL WE, UM, HAVE RELEASED, WHAT IS IT TWO, UM, DRAFTS TO DATE.
I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME TWEAKS TO BE MADE, BUT WE SHOULD BE READY TO GO TO A JOINT PUBLIC HEARING OF PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNSEL ON DECEMBER 5TH.
SO WE'VE GOT A PRETTY QUICK TIMELINE FROM HERE.
UM, AND THEN THESE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING REWRITTEN NOW.
SO WE'VE FORWARDED OUR, UH, TABLE OF CONTENTS OR I'VE APPROVED THAT.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA START FILLING IN THE CHAPTER OF SNACKS.
AND THEN WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT WILL BE ADOPTED IN FEBRUARY OF 2023.
UM, AND SO PART OF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COMING UP WITH THE VISION.
SO THE VISION SETS THE WHOLE DIRECTION OF THE PLAN, THE DIRECTION OF THE TOWN.
SO WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION AND, UM, PUBLIC INPUT KIND OF CAME UP WITH THIS, THIS VISION, WHICH THE TOWN AND FRONT ROW WILL BE A PLACE RESIDENTS ARE PROUD TO CALL HOME, WILL SERVE THE NEEDS OF ALL CITIZENS WHO ARE PROMOTING ECONOMIC PROSPERITY AND ENCOURAGING HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT WHILE PRESERVING THE SMALL TOWN CHARM.
IT'LL BE AN ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS COMMUNITY.
UM, AND SO, OOPS, I'M GOING BACKWARDS.
AND SO THE WAY THIS, FROM THE VISION, WE'VE THEN BROKEN THAT VISION DOWN TO FOUR KIND OF BIG, LIKE, THESE ARE THE MAIN IDEAS AND THESE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, THE, WE THINK THAT THESE FOUR, I GUESS PHRASES AND IDEAS CAPTURE THE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED.
AND THEN WE BROKE THOSE BIG IDEAS DOWN FURTHER INTO CORE TOPICS.
AND WHAT THIS DOES IS THESE CORE TOPICS EACH HAVE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND STRATEGIES, AND THOSE ARE HOW WE GO FROM THIS BIG VISION DOWN TO ACTUAL TASKS AND THINGS THAT STAFF AND COUNSEL CAN IMPLEMENT TO KIND OF MAKE ALL OF THIS HAPPEN.
AND SO THESE ARE JUST THE GOAL STATEMENTS.
SO UNDER THE PRESERVE OUR HISTORY AND CREATE MORE OF THE CHARM WE LOVE UNDER THAT BIG IDEA, WE HAD THE, UM, CORE TOPICS OF SMALL TOWN CHARACTER TOURISM, AND THEN HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN UNDER THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE ACTUAL OBJECTIVES.
BUT THESE ARE THE GOLD STATEMENTS.
AND THEN LIFELONG COMMUNITY, THAT WAS A BIG ONE.
AND THAT'S, I THINK THE BIGGEST THEME IS THAT WE WANT FOR ROYAL TO BE A PLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T JUST TELL YOUR KIDS, HEY, YOU GOTTA GET OUTTA HERE WHEN YOU TURN 18.
LIKE, YOU GOTTA GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
YOU WANT THIS TO BE A PLACE THAT YOUR KIDS CAN GROW UP AND THEY CAN CONTINUE TO RAISE THEIR FAMILIES HERE AND, AND PEOPLE WANNA RETIRE HERE.
IT NEEDS TO BE A LIFELONG COMMUNITY.
UM, SO UNDER THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY.
CUZ AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING.
WE CAN'T JUST HAVE STAGNANT DOPE GROWTH CUZ IT'LL KILL THE TOWN.
UM, BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT IMPROVING PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY AND THEN RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE GOVERNANCE.
THAT WAS A HUGE, UM, BIT OF FEEDBACK
I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME TRUST ISSUES, BUT, UM, AND THEN RELIABLE UTILITIES AND SERVICES AND THEN TRANSPORTATION.
TRANSPORTATION WAS ANOTHER KEY CATEGORY.
SO THAT'S WHY IT FELT LIKE IT FIT BEST UNDER LIFELONG COMMUNITY.
AND THEN WE HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL ACCESS.
I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE MORE ACCESS TO, I THINK, NATURAL RESOURCES THAN MOST PLACES DO AND KIND OF HELPS MAKE FOR ROYAL A DESTINATION.
SO, UM, I THINK BRINGING THAT INTO THE FOLD WAS IMPORTANT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSING SUSTAINABILITY STATE CODE REQUIRES THAT WE PROVIDE PROVISIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CODE.
UM, AND THE RESEARCH THAT WE DID DURING THIS PROCESS KIND OF SHOWS THAT WE HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE AND HONESTLY, WE, WE HAVE A BIT OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROBLEM HERE.
UM, I THINK OUR MEDIAN INCOME IS ONLY LIKE 55,000 SOMETHING AROUND THERE.
AND IN TOWN, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN HALF OF THE RESIDENTS ARE RENTERS.
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PROPERTY OWNERS.UM, SO I THINK THE, THE BIG THING HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE AS A TOWN NEED TO TAKE STEPS TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO STAY HERE.
UM, AND SO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UM, APOLOGIZE IF IT'S, IF IT'S A LITTLE BIT BLURRY, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON THE, UM, ACTUAL IMAGE, BUT THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU THE GOAL, UH, FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS, WHAT, WHAT THE USES WILL KIND OF LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
WE'VE CHANGED A LOT OF THE, UM, COMMERCIAL KIND OF MORE OVER TO A, A MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED USE.
AND THE THOUGHT IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN IS KIND OF LIKE THE, THE URBAN GROWTH AREA FOR THE COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE FIVE AND 10 ACRE PARCELS.
SO WE HAVE OUR TOWN AND OUR TOWN LIMITS.
WE HAVE A PRETTY DENSE DOWNTOWN CORE.
AND THEN WHAT I THINK WHAT WE WANNA DO IS HELP REDEVELOP AND BEAUTIFY OUR, UM, ENTRANCE CORRIDOR.
SO ANYTHING ALONG JOHN MARSHALL AND SOUTH STREET.
AND THEN THE ENTRANCE IS WHEN YOU COME OVER THE BRIDGES.
SO BY DOING THE MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED USE, WE'RE LOOKING AT MULTIPLE USES ON ONE PARCEL.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL MIXES.
UM, AND THEN WE ARE KEEPING A LOT OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY, THEY SHOULD STAY SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, BUT SOME OF THE NEWER AREAS AND AREAS THAT JUST REALLY ARE, IT'S TIME FOR SOME REDEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE'VE GOT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY AND THAT'S GONNA ALLOW FOR A MIXTURE.
SO THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, ATTACHED TOWN HOMES, APARTMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME CONSERVATION OVERLAYS.
UM, AND IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT IT'S THE LIGHTER GREEN, I BELIEVE THE DARKER GREEN SIDE.
UM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF OUR, ARE KIND OF THE GOAL.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN GETS BROKEN DOWN THE CHAPTER WITH THE LAND USES.
WE'VE BROKEN EACH LAND USE DOWN INTO LIKE ITS OWN LITTLE SPREAD.
THIS IS WHAT OUR INSTITUTIONAL, UM, SECTION LOOKS LIKE.
AND THEN WE HAVE 15 PLANNING DISTRICTS AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF 'EM.
UM, BUT WE HAVE A MAP ZOOMED INTO THAT DISTRICT AND THEN SHOWING WHAT WE KIND OF THE, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES, CHALLENGES AND ACTION STRATEGIES AND WHAT STAFF AND AND SUMMIT HAVE DONE IS WE'VE STARTED FIGURING OUT, LIKE TAKING THESE ACTION STRATEGIES AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE GOALS CAME FROM AND EVERYTHING JUST GETS TIED TOGETHER.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR NOW.
UM, AND THEN WHAT I HAVE OVER HERE, I'VE GOT COPIES IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PASS THESE ON.
THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP RIGHT NOW, IF WE WANTED TO START THIS DISCUSSION, KIND OF JUST GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK SURE.
AND THEN FROM THAT WE'LL GO INTO THE TRANSPORTATION AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT, I HAVE ONE QUESTION WHERE, WHERE ARE THE COUNTY, BUT WHERE ARE YOU AT IN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? WE HAVE DONE A BRIEF REVIEW OF ALL OF OUR CHAPTERS.
THE CHAPTER ON DEMOGRAPHICS, ECO AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE DID NOT HAVE THE DATA YET FOR THEM.
WE HAD PREACHED OUT TO THE REGIONAL COMMISSION AND THEY ARE DOING SOME OF THE DATA MINING FOR US.
AND SO ONCE WE GET THAT INFORMATION, UM, WE'LL PROBABLY MEET ONCE MORE.
I THOUGHT ACTUALLY TO GO OVER THOSE, TO GO OVER THAT, THOSE ITEMS. UM, AGAIN, WE'RE DOING A REVIEW, NOT A, A REWRITE.
SO MUCH OF WHAT WE HAVE WILL PROBABLY CLOSELY REMAIN THE SAME.
YOU WILL JUST BE MAKING ADDITIONS TO THOSE CHANGES THAT HAVE COME ABOUT AND WHAT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED.
UM, AND WE'LL ADDRESS THE GOALS IN THE FUTURE LAND USE.
IT'S MORE REALISTIC TO EXPECT NOW IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS AFTER SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST 10.
SO, UM, TIMELINE WISE, UH, WE'LL PROBABLY BE STARTING BACK UP IN THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A C I P REVIEW, UH, TO DO FOR, UH, IN DECEMBER AND UM,
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PUT THE FUTURE.UM, THE MIXED USE CORRIDOR GOING THROUGH MM-HMM.
IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE REGISTERED, LIKE ON SOME OF THOSE ARE NATIONALLY REGISTERED BROKER.
UM, THAT'S A DIFFERENT OVERLAY.
I WILL LET THEM, THEY'VE GOT THE MIXED USE RIVERTON VILLAGE VILLAGE.
THAT'S NOT REASON IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING.
SO THIS OVERLAY HERE, THIS IS JUST THIS MEDIUM DENSITY MIXED USE.
SO I WILL TELL THEM THEY NEED TO DISTINGUISH STRIPES AND MAYBE MAKE THAT DOTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT'S, UH, BUT THIS IN THE INTENTION HERE IS THAT THIS COULD OFFER, I BELIEVE IT'S A 10 ACRE BUFFER AROUND THE PROPOSED EAST WEST CONNECTOR THAT WOULD ALLOW, YOU KNOW, FOR SHOPPING CENTERS OR UM, THINGS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL USES IN THAT PORTION OF TOWN.
AND THAT'S, THIS IS REALLY JUST A SHOT IN THE DARK CUZ RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT'S STILL A PIPE DREAM.
SO THIS IS, THAT MIGHT NOT MATCH THAT COMPLETELY.
THAT COULD GO FURTHER NORTH OR IT COULD GO RIGHT.
THIS IS I THINK JUST A GENERALIZED IDEA WHERE THAT ROAD OF, OF THE USE OF THAT PROPOSED QUARTER, THAT'S ACTUALLY A FUTURE RATE.
THAT IS THE PROPOSED EAST WEST CONNECTOR.
AND THAT HAS BEEN IN OUR C I P AND I THINK SINCE THAT LAND WAS XANAX BACK IN WHAT, 2014 I THINK.
AND THAT COMES INTO, IS IT MANASSAS AVENUE OR ANYTHING? NO, THAT TIES INTO SHENANDOAH SHORES AND THEN OVER HERE WHERE LIKE OUR PUBLIC WORKS.
WHAT'S OUT OF THE TRACKS? IT ALL? UM, IT'S ALL THE NORTH, IT'S THE NORTH SIDE RIGHT HERE.
SO IT'S ALL THE NORTH, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S FOR ESSENTIALLY HERE TO GET AROUND THOSE TRACTORS YOU WOULD GET WOULD GET, SO IF THE TRAIN STOPS THERE, PEOPLE COULD COME OUT YEAH.
SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE BETTER ACCESS TO 66 OR STUFF TOO.
AND THEN YOU GOT A BUFFER AROUND IT FOR, FOR POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL.
BECAUSE WITH THIS ALSO KIND OF ACHIEVED, WE'VE GOT OUR HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE LITTLE NODES THROUGHOUT OTHER AREAS OF TOWN THAT GIVE RESIDENTIAL USES QUICK ACCESS TO THE POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL THAT THEY MAY NEED TO.
SO INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LIVE UP HERE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DRIVE, YOU KNOW, 20 MINUTES, WELL MAYBE YOU'D BE ABLE TO JUST DRIVE PAST.
I MEAN THIS IS THE HOSPITAL, UM, THERE'S PROPOSED MIXED USE THERE AND THEN MAYBE SOME REDEVELOPMENT AND EXPANSION THAT YOU COULD ENCOURAGE ALONG SOUTH STREET.
AND THERE'S POTENTIAL, AND WE'LL GET INTO THIS WITH THE TRANSPORTATION, THERE'S POTENTIAL THAT YOU COULD HAVE A PEDESTRIAN OR OR BICYCLE CONNECTION TO THOSE COMMERCIAL AREAS VERSUS HAVING TO GET YOUR CAR.
ESPECIALLY LIKE WITH, WITH RAIL TRAIL COMING TO, SO FOR THE TOWN, THE GOAL IS GET THE PEOPLE HERE, GET 'EM SPENDING MONEY AND THEN GET 'EM OUT.
SO WHEN RAIL TRAIL TERMINATES AND WE'RE THE TERMINUS, RIGHT.
WE NEED TO SOMEHOW CONNECT OUR TRAILS, HOPEFULLY LOOP 'EM AROUND, LOOP 'EM INTO DOWNTOWN, AND THEN GET 'EM BACK OUT.
AND JUST CREATE SOME TYPE OF CLOSED LOOP.
SO WE JUST RUN THESE CROSS TRACKS OVER TO THAT TOO, DON'T IT? YEP.
THERE NEEDS TO AT SOME POINT BE ANOTHER RAILROAD CROSSING.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW OR WHEN WE'RE GONNA GET THERE JUST YET.
BUT THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE PROPOSED FOR LANE ROAD AND THAT'S ON GOD'S SAKE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
AND BEFORE THAT, THE COUNTY ANNEX THE, WAS ON A PROPERTY TO THE TOWN.
THE COUNTY HAD A SIMILAR IDEA OF, OF DOING THAT WHEN WE HAD SYNTEX COME THROUGH AND THEY WERE GONNA DO LIKE 1200 HOMES OR SOME CRAZY AMOUNT MM-HMM.
SO WE HAD A SIMILAR IDEA AND THEN BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, TOWN HAS PUBLIC SEWER AND WATER AND AT THE TIME THE STATE WAS, WAS, UH, SUPPORTING URBAN DEVELOPMENT AREAS, UDAS.
AND THEY WANTED, UH, TO GET AWAY FROM THE, YOU KNOW, THE SPRAWL OF NORTHERN VIRGINIA AND KEEP THINGS IS, YOU KNOW, HIGHER DENSITY WITHIN THE TOWN AND AND CITIES.
UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS
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WHY THE, THE BOARD CHOSE TO ANNEX THAT PROPERTY THROUGH THE TOWN.AND YOU WANNA POINT OUT THE ZA PROPERTY TO OUR, SO I'VE KIND OF GOT A LITTLE GREEN BOUNDARY AROUND IT THAT IS, I BELIEVE ABOUT 640 SOME ACRES.
UM, BUT THAT PIECE, AND I BELIEVE, UM, MAYBE SOME OF THAT, I THINK WE, THAT ANNEXED THE UP ON THE SCREEN.
YES, THAT IS, THAT'S THE MOST RECENT, I BELIEVE THE FINAL ADDITION TO THE TOWN.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN THERE YOU GO.
OR WE'LL GET ANY LARGER THAN WHAT WE WORKS ON CERTAIN COLORS ON.
AND THAT'S WHY, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S WHY THIS PART OF COUNT IS SO IMPORTANT TO DISCUSS AND GET GOOD FEEDBACK ON BECAUSE THIS REALLY IS THE LAST BIT OF A DEVELOPED PLAN THAT WE GENUINELY HAVE THE REST OF OUR, UM, THE REST OF DEVELOPMENT IS, COULD HAVE COME IN THE FORM OFFI DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPING WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
ONE THING I DO NOTICE, AND THIS IS ME, I DON'T SEE THE MARSHALL CEMETERY, UH, SET ASIDE.
SO I HOPE THAT THAT I THINK THAT'S WITHIN THE TOWN LIMIT THAT'S OUT THERE AT THE VERY, VERY TIP IN THERE.
MAYBE THINK I KNOW THAT, UH, BUT THERE A CEMETERY SOMEWHERE.
WELL IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A VERY HISTORIC CEMETERY
SO, AND THE COUNTY ACTUALLY HAS AN 11 ACRE SITE THAT WAS THE JAMES MARK MARSHALL HOMESTEAD, UH, HAPPY CREEK MAN.
AND THAT'S PRESERVED WHEN THE COUNTY AGENT, SO ON THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MARSHALL CEMETERY, UH, IT A BUTS THE BOUNDARIES THERE TO THE TOWN.
SO WE JUST KIND OF KEEP THAT IN OUR THOUGHTS.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY MAPS OR HAVE ANYTHING LAID OUT IN GIS, I CAN NOT FILE AND THEY CAN INCORPORATE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING, I'VE GOT TIME FOR SOME MINOR EDITS.
I JUST DON'T HAVE TIME FOR MAJOR SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES WITHOUT FLOW APART.
OUR, AND THIS WOULD PROBABLY FIT RIGHT IN THAT CONSERVATION AREA.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MOST PART THAT THAT FOUND IN THE JET.
WE THROW THE CONSERVATION IN THERE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO AROUND THE EDGES.
I JUST WANTED THE PROPERTY TO SHOW SOME TYPE OF CONSERVATION.
AND SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE CONSERVATION AREAS, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL AND, AND MAYBE SOME POTENTIAL FOR MIXED USE
IN THAT AREA, BUT OVER, YEAH, WELL ESPECIALLY CLOSER TOWARDS THE DOWNTOWN.
UM, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THAT AREA, UM, NOT THE NEWER SUBDIVISIONS BUT THE MID CENTURY RIGHT.
I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF MAKING THEM, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL SO THEY CAN HAVE AEDS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A HOUSING SHORTAGE, WE HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHORTAGE, WE WANNA HELP THE SENIORS AGE IN PLACE.
WELL, WE CAN DO SOMETHING IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO PREVENT ADU AND SINGLE FAMILY.
LET LIKE TO SEE THAT BY SPECIAL USE.
BECAUSE MY THOUGHT IS THERE, IT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR EVERYBODY.
I MEAN LIKE MY YARD, I'M ON A 9,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO HAVE ONE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THIS PART OF THE TOWN, I THINK THOSE LOTS ARE BIGGER.
AND THOSE HOMES ARE LARGE TOO.
AND UH, AND I I HAVE A HUNCH THAT JUST LIKE WITH THE SD, I HAVE HUNCH THAT THAT WAS IN THE CODE, PEOPLE WOULD COME OUTTA THE WOODWORK FOLKS ARE DOING IT AND HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LONG TIME JUST OUT OF THE, AND LUCKY THEM CODE ENFORCEMENT, WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, GO INTO THE BACKYARD.
WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE STREETS.
AND I THINK, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A GOOD, A GOOD STEP TO HELPING PEOPLE TO AGE IN PLACE, WHICH IS A REALLY IMPORTANT GOAL.
THE TOWN HAS OVER THERE BY, UM, OFF WEST KREER.
AND THE COMMON, IS IT COMMONWEALTH, UH, LIVING THE COMMON, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, YOU, THE DUPLEXES OVER THERE MM-HMM.
I THINK AS SOON AS ONE COMES UP, THEY'RE GONE BECAUSE JUST FOR THE SAME REASON THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING EITHER SOMEONE WHO'S, YOU KNOW, HANDICAPPED, DISABLED, IT'S A SINGLE LEVEL, YOU KNOW, SMALL FOOTPRINT HOME OR, OR YOU KNOW, ELDERLY AND READY TO MOVE OUT OF THE BIG SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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THERE ARE THINGS AS SIMPLE AS, YOU KNOW, WHEN AND WHEN NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES TO TOWN.YOU, WE JUST TALK WITH THEM AND SAY, HEY, MAYBE YOU OFFER MODELS WITH A DOWNSTAIRS MASTER OR THE FIRST FLOOR MASTER AND FIRST FLOOR OF LAUNDRY SO THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING TO RETIRE THAT MAY NOT WANNA DO STAIRS.
I MEAN, IT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE YOU LOOKING AT IN THOSE, IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL, IS THAT GONNA BE PROMOTING LIKE THE OLDER HOMES TO BE BROKEN UP INTO LIKE SEPARATE DWELLINGS? LIKE A A I'LL SAY AN APARTMENT FOR NO, WE'RE TALKING MORE HERE ABOUT LIKE ACTUAL INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
LIKE REDEVELOPING SOME OF THESE OLD HOMES THAT ARE DILAPIDATED AND MAYBE BLINDED.
AND ENCOURAGING MAYBE ADDITIONAL DENSITY OR HIGHER DENSITY.
UM, WE STILL HAVE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
YOU WERE THINKING THAT CAUSE THEY'RE OH AGO NOT WHITE.
THEY'RE JUST MID-CENTURY BRICK HOUSES IN THERE.
THEY'RE SOLID, BUT BUT THEY'RE TOO BIG FOR SO CENTRAL BEING ABLE TO CREATED A DUPLEX OUT OF IT OF SOME SORT WHERE YOU HAVE A ACCESS TO A BASEMENT LIVING UNIT AND AN UPSTAIRS LIVING UNIT WITH A FULL KITCHEN FULL BATH AND EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, WHO'S TO SAY PEOPLE AREN'T DOING THAT NOW? WE CHASE WILL LET YOU KNOW.
UH, I MEAN THAT'S THE WHOLE, A LOT OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL THING THAT'S HAPPENING TOO.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE IDENTIFYING AREAS TO INCREASE THE DENSITY FOR THIS WORKFORCE SLASH AFFORDABLE HOUSING SENIOR, LIKE LIVING AND THEN ALSO MAYBE CONVERSION OF THOSE, THOSE OLDER HOMES TO THAT ALSO, I MEAN WITHIN LIMITS, LIKE I BELIEVE BACK IN THE NINETIES OUR ZONING ORDINANCE APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN CHANGED TO ALLOW, YOU KNOW, BY RIGHT CONVERSIONS INTO MULTIPLE DWELLING UNITS.
AND IT'S MOSTLY AFFECTED THE HISTORIC AREA HERE.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE ARE STREETS THAT WERE NEVER MEANT TO ACCOMMODATE.
YOU KNOW, A HOME BEING CHOPPED UP INTO FIVE OR SIX DWELLING UNITS, WHETHER LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY AND THE PARKING ISSUES.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT PARKING ISSUES, WE'VE GOT CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES.
SO I THINK THEY WERE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING GOOD AND IT MAY HAVE BACKFIRED A LITTLE BIT OR HAD UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT WE CAN KIND OF START TO REMEDY WITH THIS PLAN.
AND THEN ESPECIALLY WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE MM-HMM.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK RATHER THAN JUST BLANKET, HEY Y'ALL CAN DO THIS IN THIS AREA, I THINK THEY WOULD.
SO JUST LIKE WE DO SHORT TERM MM-HMM.
CAUSE THERE ARE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES ALL OF EACH PROPERTY AND ESPECIALLY OLDER STUFF.
ONE THING I'LL MENTION I KNOW ABOUT THE TOWN IS THAT BECAUSE THE TOWN DOES HAVE HAD SOME OLDER STAFF OF HOUSING, SOME OF THOSE HOUSES WERE BUILT WELL BEFORE THOSE, THE FLOOD PLAINS WERE MAPPED.
SO YOU MAY HAVE A HOUSE WITH A BASEMENT THAT'S IN THE FLOOD PLAIN OR FLOODWAY AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A FLOOD EVENT, YOU'VE GOT A FULL APARTMENT DOWN THERE.
THAT PERSON'S, THEY'RE NOT LIVING IN THAT APARTMENT FOR A WHILE, YOU KNOW, SO YEAH, THAT'S BAD.
YOU, THAT'S SOMETHING TO, TO CONSIDER.
AND FOR THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE STRUCTURES ARE ADEQUATELY ELEVATED, YOU KNOW, FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES ALSO.
BUT YOU AND THE TOWN IS JUST ACCEPTED OR WILL BE ACCEPTING HOPEFULLY.
AND A GRANT FROM DCR I BELIEVE IT IS.
HOPEFULLY YOU CAN ALSO THAT OR CONTRIBUTE 10,000 AND THEN WE'LL START DOING HYDROLOGIC STUDIES TO START BRINGING OUR BLOOD PLAIN AREAS UP TO DATE.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE NEXT STEP AFTER COMP PLAN.
WHAT? THE FLOOD WATCH GUYS ON DUTY.
I JUST CAME BACK FROM A CONFERENCE.
IT'S ALL FRESH THERE, SO
ANYTHING ELSE ON FUTURE LAND USE? OH, WE, I JUST MUMBLED SOMETHING ABOUT COLLECTING, CONNECTING LEACHES RUN STUFF OVER HAS IT AND, AND I FUSS WITH OUR COUNTY TOO FOR BEING BEHIND INFRASTRUCTURE WISE.
BUT, UH, DO Y'ALL HAVE AN AREA FOR SOME OF THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN 55 SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOUR LANES FROM TOWN TO LEES RUN PARKWAY WHEN THEY BUILT THE SCHOOL.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WASN'T DONE.
UH, STATE JUST WENT OUT AND DID A BUNCH OF WORK ON HAER CREEK ROAD OUT PAST THE HOSPITAL, BUT THE MOST DANGEROUS CURVE ON HAER CREEK ROAD 500 YARDS BEFORE YOU GET TO IT, WHICH THEY HAVEN'T FIXED AT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S THE THINGS LIKE THAT.
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THAT? I KNOW THAT THE, AND THIS HAS BEEN MORE PUBLIC WORKS IN THE TOWN MANAGER'S OFFICE.I'VE BEEN WORKING IN IT, BUT WE'VE GOT DIFFERENT PHASES OF HAPPY CREEK ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON GRANTS WITH BDOT.
AND I'LL BE HONEST, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT FAMILIAR WHERE THESE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE TAKEN PLACE, BUT I KNOW THAT I THINK THERE'S A GOAL TO KIND OF IMPROVE SAFETY ALONG HAPPY BREAK.
I REMEMBER IT TOOK FOREVER AN DAY FROM THESE STATE GRANTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, FOR YEARLY CONTRIBUTION TO GET ENOUGH MONEY TO DO WHAT THEY'VE DONE ON HAPPY CREEK ROAD TIME.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT STATE OR FEDERAL GRANTS YEARS.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A QUICK PROCESS.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIKE FIVE, 10 YEARS.
I MEAN THAT PIECE OF ROAD NEEDED FIXING, BUT IT'S LIKE WE JUMP PAST THE WORST PLACE.
YOU GOT A PROBLEM THAT'S WORSE HERE.
WELL LET'S GO DO SOMETHING EASY.
I PICKED UP JURISDICTIONAL THING THERE USING CURVES.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HER IN THE TOWN AND WE'RE TRYING RIGHT.
WELL I KNOW Z NEEDS TO GET INVOLVED TO WALK, SO I WHAT SCHOOL WERE THEY WORKING? THEY WERE WALKING TO THE HIGH SCHOOL IN WARREN COUNTY.
SO THEY, THE BUS DRIVER, IT WAS THE FIRST WEEK OF SCHOOL AND THE BUS DRIVER DIDN'T GET THEM.
SO I SEE THEM, I RECOGNIZE 'EM THROUGH MY SON CUZ HE USED TO GO TO WARREN COUNTY AND UM, THEY HAD THEIR THUMB OUT AND THEY WERE WALKING AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY, GET IN MY CAR.
I'M NOT A STRANGER, THIS IS MY SON.
BUT IF THEY WOULD'VE MADE IN THE MORNING THAT CURVE, THERE'S NOWHERE TO WALK.
AND YOU SEE PEOPLE BIKING IT TOO.
SO, BUT I GOT 'EM HIM TO SCHOOL AND I TOLD HIM I WAS, YOU EVER MISS YOUR BUS? CALL ME.
SO, SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS IS, AND THIS IS JUST MY IGNORANCE ON THAT MATTER IS DOES THE TOWN ROADS AND THEY APPLY FOR SMART SCALE PROJECTS WITH VDOT, THIS IS HOW, BECAUSE THEY ARE TOWN.
I BELIEVE I REMEMBER MENTIONING THIS LIKE SMART SCALE.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S FUNDS AND THAT WE'RE KIND OF DOING THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN PARTICIPATING AND YEAH I'LL TALK TO KAREN CUZ SHE REALLY HANDLES THAT FOR THE COUNTY WITH, WITH VDOT AND WE'LL SEE.
YEAH BECAUSE AND ROBBIE BOYER, I CAN REACH OUT TO HIM CUZ I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S MOSTLY LATELY IT'S BEEN HIM AND KATHLEEN.
I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THESE PLACES ARE, EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT BE JURISDICTION IN TOWN.
THE COUNTY HAS A SCHOOL THAT FEEDS IT.
EVERYBODY OUGHT TO BE INVOLVED IN SOME OF THESE.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULDN'T BE JUST A TOWN PROBLEM.
WHEN I BRING THAT OUT TOO, I'M NOT LIKE, HEY THIS IS A TOWN PROBLEM, THIS IS A TOWN COUNTY STATE PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, CAUSE IT'S EFFECTIVE SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS THAT ARE THERE SHOULDN'T BE THAT DIFFICULT TO DO EXCEPT FOR SETTLING OF THAT ONE HOMEOWNERS I'M CERTAIN TO HAVE HOUSE THAT HAVE TO GO.
UH, FROM THE, THE LAND USE MAP IS ON THE WEST SIDE YOU HAVE A LOT OF THAT CONSERVATION AREA THAT GREEN MM-HMM
UM, THAT'S A CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
AND THEN I GUESS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT, THAT'S IN GREEN TOO.
IS THAT UNDER CONSERVATION EASEMENT OR IS THAT JUST, I THINK FRED ANDREA OWNED SOME OF THAT LAND.
AND THEN SOME OF IT, I BELIEVE IT'S JUST KIND OF SLATED FOR TRAILS.
I REMEMBER EAC AND JOE PETTY WERE KIND OF TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COUNTY STARTING TO CONSTRUCT SOME TRAILS AND UM, YEAH, WELL IT NICE SHIFTED OVER JUST THE SMIDGE SO THAT WE CAN YOU CAN KIND OF, YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
AND THEN OF COURSE THE, AND THERE'S A CAMP GROUND THAT'S BEEN APPROVED HERE.
SO IDEALLY IT'D BE NICE TO KIND OF JUST LOOP A TRAIL.
AND IF WE COULD SOMEHOW GET IT, YOU KNOW, BACK, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THAT MASTER PLAN FOR APTEX.
SO THE LONG TERM MASTER PLAN AND THEN OF COURSE WITH, UH, STATE MONEY THAT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR THE RAIL TO TRAIL.
UM, THAT NORTH PART WHERE FRED ANDREA OWNS IN SOUTH OF THE RIVER LONG PARALLELING THE RAILROAD WILL.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE IDENTIFYING AS PART OF THAT FOR PART OF THE RAILROAD TRAIL ON A TOWN COUNTY CONNECTION.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, SO WE'LL WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE TRANSPORTATION PART OF IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ORIENT EVERYBODY KIND OF TO THOSE AREAS.
UM, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THE COUNTY'S FUTURE LAND USE MAP HERE? WE HAVE IT, I HAVE MY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, I SAY THAT HOW THEY FIT IN AROUND IT'S UM, WE'VE GOT SUCH GOOD GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARIES, BUT THERE'S RIVERS AND STUFF.
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THAT CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY PREVENTS ANY RUN OVER, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE, UH, TWO INCOMPATIBLE USES RIGHT NEXT DOOR.YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD POINT OUT OUR, THAT THIS IS NOT THE FINAL DEAL.
THIS HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY EITHER COUNCIL OR PLANNING COMMISSION YET.
WE JUST GOT THIS FRIDAY OURSELVES.
UM, SO, SO WE WILL PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT POSSIBLE CHANGES.
THE MAIN THING I WANT TO GET OUTTA HERE TONIGHT IS TO SEE IT'S ANY, ANY CONFLICT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN TOWN AND WHAT THE COUNTY IS LOOKING AT DOING ADJACENTLY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE RAMSEY'S DEVELOPMENT UP THERE ON GAR HILL ROAD MM-HMM.
UH, AGAIN, I I JUST WANT TO KIND GET A GENERAL FEEL TONIGHT.
YOU KNOW, ARE YOU AS TO WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MORE HIGH DENSITY GROWTH IN THE COUNTY, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR DENSITY IN THE COUNTY BASICALLY AND INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL, BASICALLY THE 5 22 2 CORRIDOR IS IT FOR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL.
THERE'S NO INTERSTATE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE CONNECT UTILITIES THERE ANYTHING.
I DIDN'T KNOW LINN'S SIDE YOU GOT 66, BUT IT'S TWO MALUS PLUS IT'S ALREADY SUBDIVISION SO YOU'LL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, LIKE SHES, IT'S A LITTLE POCKET, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AROUND THE LINDON EXIT OF A FEW LITTLE THINGS.
THERE'LL BE NO BIG HUGE DEVELOPMENT.
YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON HERE WHERE WE SHOW A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON A BUDDING ANY KIND OF MAJOR COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THE, I WOULD, I WOULD RULE OUT CHRIS RAMSEY'S PROPERTY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I MEAN IT'S JUST, RIGHT NOW I THINK OUR BOARD IS NOT WILLING TO ANNEX TO THE TOWN AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE TOWN'S WILLING TO PROVIDE SEWER WATER TO THEM.
YEAH, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE OUT THERE AND IT'S ABOVE OUR PAY GRADES.
SO IT WASN'T A HUGE, IT'S NOT LIKE A HUGE HOW MANY, HOW MANY UNITS WAS HE LOOKING AT IN THERE? OH GOSH.
I MEAN IT WASN'T LIKE IT'S A 500 UNIT.
STARTED AS A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE IF IT WAS A RETIREMENT.
YOU HAVE ECONOMICALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BE A GOOD FIT TOWN WATER AND IT'S ISOLATED FAR ENOUGH OFF THE ROAD.
I THINK IT'S RESIDENTIAL ON ONE SIDE AND THEN GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARY TO THE BACK OF MCDONALD'S.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD FIT.
IF IT WAS A STREET SHOT AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE GUARD HILL ROAD IN THAT INTERSECTION, IT, IT MAY BE A LITTLE MORE, IT FEEL LIGHT, PALATABLE.
SUPPOSED TO BE LIGHT THERE SOMETIME.
RIVERTON ACTUALLY HAD TO, WHEN THEY OPENED BACK UP, THEY HAD TO PROFFER SOME MONEY THEY PUT IN THAT SMALL PLANT.
IT WAS, IT WAS ABOUT 30 OR 50,000 IF I REMEMBER.
IT'S NOT, I KNOW IT'S NOT ENOUGH BUT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE SPOT THOUGH.
I MEAN IT'S ACTUALLY A DECENT SPOT FOR HIGHER DENSITY BECAUSE THEY'RE CLOSE TO THE WALMART, THE TARGET.
THEY'RE RIGHT THERE AT 66 I THINK.
I THINK THE LIGHT'S COMING ANYWAY EVENTUALLY.
IF IF THAT THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THE BIG QUESTION AND THE POLITICAL WEALTH, YOU KNOW.
TO TO, TO BE WILLING TO DO THAT.
UH, ANY, YOU KNOW, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, WE HAD CROOKED RUN TWO COME THROUGH TWO YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO NOW.
AND THEY WOULD'VE HAD TO HAVE BUT $25 MILLION BRIDGE AND VDOT WAS READY TO PAY FOR IT AND ONCE THAT WAS DENIED, VIDOT PULLED THAT MONEY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS UH, WHAT YOU KNOW, DEVELOPER WAS HOPING COULD PROVIDE SOME MULTIFAMILY, YOU KNOW, DWELLING UNITS AND YOU KNOW, SOME SINGLE FAMILY.
BUT, UH, SO THAT'S KIND OF BEEN SHOT DOWN SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING MORE CLOSER TO THE TOWN SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL.
SO 5 22, THAT'S YOUR MAIN GROWTH AREA, RIGHT? FOR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL.
I MEAN YOU GOT, WELL THERE'S THAT GOLF CLUB OR THE FOR HAILEY AND THAT'S NOT BEEN VERY GOOD FOR THE COUNTY IN MY OPINION.
I MIGHT NOT BE SPEAKING FOR EVERYBODY HERE EXCEPT FOR ME.
MAYBE THAT'S THE ONLY GOOD THING.
BUT AS FAR AS THEY HAD SO MUCH TROUBLE WITH THE UH, BIG BUILDER DOES NOTHING FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, THEY COME IN AND BRING THEIR OWN REAL ESTATE, THEIR SUPPLIERS, THEIR OWN BANKS, THEY'RE OWN LEGAL.
THEY DON'T EVEN SO MUCH JUST BUY A SCREW FROM OUR LOCAL LOADS.
I MEAN THEY BRING EVERYTHING, UH, IT PUTS A HECK OF A LOAD ON THE SCHOOLS.
AND THEN WE'VE BEEN TO A COUPLE MEETINGS WITH THEM AND IT'S WHAT MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE, I'LL BE PERFECTLY HONEST.
WE'VE GOT PANEL FOUR GUYS, MAYBE FIVE FOUR OF 'EM GOT THE MONEY.
A, IT'S THE SIMPLEST LITTLE QUESTION WHEN EVERYBODY'S GONNA RUN BACK IN THE CORNER
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DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA HAVE A LAWYER WITH YOU, YOU KNOW, TO ANSWER THE SIMPLEST QUESTIONS.THEY HAD SUCH A TIME WITH THE BRIDGE AND I DON'T THINK THEY HAD ENOUGH GETTING THE THING UNTIL FOREVER AND IT'S STILL STORM WATER.
THAT ROAD IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN A PRIVATE ROAD.
THEN THEY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO BE A VDO ROAD AND THEY HAD A BRIDGE THAT DIDN'T MEET VDOT SPEC
0.4 MILLION DOESN'T HAVE GOOD ACCESS.
ONLY WAY IN AND OUT THERE IS THAT BRIDGE UNLESS THEY COME ACROSS.
THEY TRIED TO GET SOME OTHER AND IT'S PROFIT FOR A CONNECTOR ROAD ROAD TO BE BUILT AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BUILD IT.
WE TRIED TO ADD 'EM ANOTHER SOMETHING ELSE TO TRADE AND IT JUST WASN'T THOUGH I, I DIDN'T SEE, IN OTHER WORDS, ADDING MORE HOUSES IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT IS PARTLY WHY I VOTED AGAINST THAT OTHER SECTION.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO RAISE EVERYBODY'S TAXES BY AND THOSE HOUSES, A LOT OF PEOPLE GET THIS CONFUSION HIT US TO A 500 HOUSE SUBDIVISION TO REALLY HELP OUR TAX BASE BY THE TIME YOU ADD THE SCHOOL SYSTEM FOR THAT MM-HMM
IT WON'T BALANCE IT UNLESS YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL TO SUPPORT IT IN 5 22 CORRIDOR BEING IT, I VOTED AGAINST IT CAUSE I THOUGHT IT, IT WAS ZONE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL FOR THAT REASON.
AND UM, I VOTED AGAINST IT AT THAT TIME CAUSE I FELT IT WOULD BE MORE BE BENEFICIAL LAW, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND HAVE IT ALL THOSE HOUSES IN THERE AND THEN THAT'S NOT REALLY GONE.
DO Y'ALL EVER CONSIDER DOING LIKE THE TAX DISTRICTS, LIKE THE OVERLY DISTRICTS SO THAT LIKE NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD MAYBE SIMPLY PAY DIFFERENT TAX RATE OR HAVE AN ADDITIONAL TAX TO KIND OF HELP FACILITATE OR OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS BE IMPORTANT SUPERVISOR'S DISCUSSION.
BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVER BEEN, IT'S NOT JUST NOT AT OUR LEVEL.
WELL WE RUN A FISCAL IMPACT MODEL.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO HAVE THAT REALISTIC FISCAL IMPACT MODEL THAT INCORPORATES EVERYTHING THAT YOU KNOW IS GONNA BE PAID.
AND THEN AS A PART OF THE PROS, AS YOU KNOW, WE, WE INCLUDE THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S A DIRECT IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY FOR THESE DEVELOPMENTS.
SO, UM, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO JUST HAVE OH, AN IMPACT FEE, A ONE TIME IMPACT FEE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE HOUSE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE, THESE PROPER FEES CAN HELP.
AND THEN OF, I'M CURIOUS, WE HAVE ONGOING PROPER FEES FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT YEAH, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT MOVE OUT HERE, UH, 55 AND OLDER, UM, MAYBE INTO THAT COMMUNITY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UM, BLUE RIDGE HASS AND THEY HAVE A SECTION THEY DID, THEY DID STOCK REDEVELOPED AND CAME OUT WITH, THAT'S A PRETTY LOW LOAD ON THE SCHOOLS, ISN'T IT? RIGHT.
WELL YEAH, THOSE, THOSE THAT SECTION 55 AND OLDER WOULD BE A LOWER, IT'S A LOW LOAD ON THE SCHOOLS.
THIS IS A NO LOAD ON MORE, IT'S MORE ON OTHER ASPECTS THOUGH.
YOU KNOW, LIKE FIRE AND RESCUE HAVE GRANDKID COME RIGHT.
WE NEED SOMETHING TO, TO US IN TO SHOP YOUR SECTION.
SO I ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE 55 AND OVER.
SO OUR, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STATE LAW FOR 55 AND OVER RESTRICTIONS, OURS WHAT? IT WAS DONE UP BY WELT UCCI, UH, WHICH IS A REAL ESTATE LAW FIRM IN ARLINGTON.
THEY WROTE THE LEAST RESTRICTED MM-HMM
SO YOU CAN HAVE AN 18 YEAR OLD, ABOVE 18 YEAR OLD IN YOUR HOUSE FOR UP TO A MONTH.
ANYBODY OVER 21 CAN LIVE THERE.
UH, ONLY ONE PERSON IN THE HOUSE HAS TO BE A, UH, 55 AND OVER OR THE OWNER, WE CAN WAVE UP TO 10% SINCE WE HAVE 42 HOUSES THERE.
UH, THAT'D BE FOUR HOUSES THAT COULD BE EITHER OWNED AND OCCUPIED BY SOMEONE UNDER 55.
BUT THE RESTRICTION ON OTHER UNDER 18 REMAINS, REMAINS THE SAME.
SO 55 OLDER PERSON WHO'S THE OWNER, DOES HE HAVE TO, HE OR SHE HAVE TO OCCUPY THE PROPERTY? NO.
SO THEY'RE COLLEGE KIDS COULD BE LIVE THERE? NOPE.
DO YOU HAVE OR SOMEBODY IN OUR FAMILIES THAT YOU ARE, YOU STILL GOT TO SCHOOL, YOU HAVE KIDS BACK IN SCHOOL, PEOPLE ARE, PEOPLE ARE BUYING THESE, THEY'RE BUYING LIVE THERE.
YEAH, WE'RE ABOUT A HUNDRED PERCENT ARE ON OUR OCCUPIED.
I AND UH, YEAH, THAT'S, THEY DON'T EVEN HIT THE MARKET.
WE HAD ONE GUY LAST THUR THURSDAY, THE HUSBAND'S GONNA BE MOVING OUT AND HE'S ALREADY GOT OFFERS ON THE HOUSE.
HE DOESN'T EVEN TALK TO THE REAL ESTATE AGENT.
SO IT'S, IT'S A HIGH DESIRABLE AREA, LIKE THE NAVY AREA AROUND COMMONWEALTH IN WENT ROW.
SO I WAS, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY SOMETHING ABOUT SCHOOLS.
I LIVED IN LOUDON COUNTY WHEN SEVEN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR INDUSTRIAL AREA BETWEEN STERLING AND LEESBURG.
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THAT RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTED TO BUILD THE HOME DEVELOPMENTS THERE, THERE.SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOUSES ARE NOW IN ASHBURG.
INITIALLY IT WAS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE 1600.
THEY NEVER, EVER PRO FOR SCHOOLS.
THEY WENT FROM TWO HIGH SCHOOLS.
I THINK THEY'RE OVER NINE HIGH SCHOOLS DOWN.
THEY WENT FROM FOUR MIDDLE SCHOOLS TO MORE MIDDLE SCHOOLS.
I COUNT, BUT THEY, THEY NEVER EVER PROFFERED FOR THAT CUZ THEY WERE SO HAPPY TO GET THAT LAND, SOMEBODY TO USE THE LAND.
SO, UH, YEAH, NOT THE PROVERBS THAT WERE PUT ON THE RESIDENCE.
I THINK THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT'S A GOOD LESSON TO LEARN TOO.
THAT'S ONE THING BOTH THE TOWN AND COUNTY SHOULD KIND OF BE ON THE SA ON BOARD WITH THE SAME THING OR THESE FISCAL IMPACT MODELS IS, IS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE POTENTIAL.
YOU'VE GOT THE SCHOOLS, YOU'VE GOT THE PARKS AND WRECKS, YOU'VE GOT FIRE AND RESCUE, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THINGS.
I MEAN THERE ARE SOME DISTINCT THINGS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A FAMILY THAT MOVES IN, THEY'RE GONNA IMPACT THOSE AND THAT FISCAL IMPACT MODEL FOR BOTH THE TOWN AND COUNTY SHOULD, SHOULD BE CLOSE, UH, FOR EACH OF EACH OF THOSE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT THE ONE COMING IN.
WE'RE LOOKING AT COMING IN OFF SHENDO SHORES ROAD.
I MEAN IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE COMPREHEND I THINK.
I THINK THEY'RE ON THE SHORT SIDE OF, OF WHAT THEY'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, AND EIGHT, $8,000 IS NOT GONNA GO VERY FAR WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO SERVE A FAMILY THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, KIDS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND ARE USING PARKS AND REC AND ALL THAT OTHER, ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.
SO, I MEAN THAT'S AN OPINION, BUT YOU KNOW, AND TARAN HAS BEEN, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, SHE'S THE ONE WHO'S, WHO'S ALWAYS RAN THESE AND HAD THESE DONE.
SO, UM, SHE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, IN TUNE AND KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THAT.
BUT, UM, IT'S JUST SOMETHING I HAVE OBSERVED.
BUT ONCE, LIKE ONCE Y'ALL GET ME THAT, FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT, YEAH, I'LL SEND OUT TO EVERYBODY.
SHE, SHE TOLD ME TODAY SHE'S WORKING.
JUST LAST TELL I WORKING LIFE.
DID YOU FIND A MAP IN POCKET? WELL THIS IS, THIS IS OUR GENERALIZED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
AND THIS IS OUR GENERALIZED EXISTING LAND USE MAP.
AND GUESS WHAT, YOU KNOW A WHOLE LOT THAT'S CHANGING AROUND THE TOWN.
SO, UM, AND THIS IS OUR CORRIDOR MAP.
WHY DON'T I PASS THIS DOWN? THIS'LL HELP YOU ALL LET GIVE YOU AN IDEA.
THIS IS FUTURE LAND USE FOR THE CORRIDOR AND THAT'S WITH SAME THAT WE HAVE IN OUR, YOU ALL HAVE THOSE IN YOUR BOOKS? SO INDUSTRIAL, THE RIVERS BUFFER.
HEY LAUREN, CAN I BRING UP THE SUAT MODEL? UH, OR WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THE TRANSPORTATION? DO YOU HAVE I ACTUALLY PRINTED THE SUE MAP FOR EVERYBODY.
IF Y'ALL WANNA PASS IT AROUND.
I MEAN IF YOU WANNA PULL IT UP ON GOOGLE YOU CAN.
YEAH, WELL IT'S, I CAN LINK TO IT FROM THE ACCOUNTING WEBSITE.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF INDUSTRIAL.
I'LL COME INTO THAT NORTH SECTION THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA IMPACT.
SO MATT, UH, YOUR OVERLAY DISTRICT HERE YOU HAVE FOR 5 22.
IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR THAT? OR JUST LIKE
UM, THERE'S CERTAIN DESIGN CRITERIA.
THERE'S REQUIRED SETBACKS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE.
IT'S UH, SECTION 180 29 0.1, I THINK 28.1.
YOU WANT ME TO PASS OUT? YEAH, GO AHEAD AND PASS THAT OUT AND I'LL TRY IT.
WELL I KNOW IT'S SO MUCH ABOUT WHAT DOES THE ACTUAL I HAVE NO IDEA.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE A 30 MAP AND TAKE OUT WHAT THE UH, STATE PARKS, FEDERAL PARKS, SCHOOL BOARD, THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY OWNS.
AND I THINK PEOPLE BE COMMUNITY PROFILE.
IT'S JUST UP TO THE GOVERNMENT.
IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING LIKE 35%.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A PERCENTAGE.
SO THIS MIGHT BE MORE DEMOGRAPHIC.
YEAH, IT'S THE PLACE I THOUGHT I, I WAS LOOKING AT THAT.
I WAS LIKE, ARE THEY FEDERAL LAND? GOOD FOR THEM.
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PROPOSED INDUSTRIAL BUTTING UP AGAINST THIS RESIDENTIAL HERE.HOW ARE YOU GONNA, LET'S SEE THIS ALSO.
THIS, THIS PROBABLY WILL NOT SELL.
THE BRIDGE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO, SO YOU WERE IN THE GRAY AREA AFTER IT WAS THEN 3.4 MILLION TO GO OVER 3.4 MILLION.
SO THERE ACROSS PROPERTY, WE GOT A LITTLE COMMERCIAL WITH TOUCHES ON THAT NORTH END THERE.
BUT THE WAY, THE WAY OURS IS, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S JUST FOR TICKET ALLY.
IT ISOLATES ITSELF ENOUGH IT'S ISSUE.
YEAH, WE'VE GOT IS SO SHAMELESS LAW.
WE'VE GOT DIFFERENT OWNS THIS AND IS IT MIGHT BE, IF IT'S
OH, IT'S WHAT'S THE IS THE OTHER OH, THAT'S, UH, I'S A GOLF COURSE.
YEAH'S, WE, I'VE GOT'S DO WE WANNA SEGUE THE TRANSPORTATION? WE GOT A HALF AN HOUR AND THAT SHOULD GIVE US ALL TIME TO DO THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? UM, AND THIS IS, UH, WATTS PLAN.
SMALL URBAN AREA TRANSPORTATION STUDY 2035.
UM, YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU NOW.
AND SO IT, IT, IT KIND OF BREAKS DOWN ALL OF THESE TRANSPORTATION NODES AND EVERYTHING THAT WE, UH, SEE AS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL OR CURRENT ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS.
NOW, THIS WAS ADOPTED IN 2013 OR SO.
YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS LIKE, UH, RELINE, ROCKWELL ROAD INSTALL TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT HAS BEEN DONE.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE, UH, THE NEW FLYOVER THAT WILL, THAT WE'LL BE GOING IN HERE VERY, YOU KNOW, WELL, I THINK NEXT YEAR IT'S GONNA BE STARTING AND UH, THAT'S TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE UP HERE ON, ON, UH, FAIRGROUND ROAD AND ROCKLAND ROAD WHEN A TRAIN BLOCKS BOTH OF THE AREAS.
SO, UM, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
BEEN THEIR, I WAS WONDERING, UH, IF, HAVE WE GIVEN SOME THOUGHT ABOUT THE INCREASED TRAFFIC ON ROCKLIN ROAD? CUZ IT'S, IT'S VERY NARROW.
AND THE SHOULDERS IN PLACES YOU GO OFF IT'S FLOOD, DROP ON MM-HMM.
ROCKLAND ALSO TRACKS IT GETS WORSE.
DEPARTMENT, THE CURB THE CURVE DOWN BY BENNY'S BEACH.
AND BENNY'S BEACH IS RIGHT HERE.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS ROCK AND CONTINUES ROCKLAND.
AND THEN IT IS WHERE HE, AND THERE'S A LITTLE CREEK THAT THIS GOES OVER AND INTO.
SO GREG LIVES RIGHT AT ABOUT WHAT IN HERE? I THINK IN THIS AREA.
SO, AND THERE'S NOT A REAL GOOD LINE OF SIGHT ON ROCKLIN
UH, SO, UM, THIS, UH, SECTION RIGHT HERE, IF YOU WANT TO POINT THAT OUT, GO AHEAD.
WHERE'S THIS FLYOVER? SO THE FLYOVER IS WHERE, WHERE THE COUNTING PARK IS.
WHICH IS, WHICH IS REALLY RIGHT WHERE THIS CURSOR IS.
SO THE RAILROAD'S HERE, IT'S RIGHT AT REALLY AT WHERE? THIS IS RIGHT HERE.
SO THE COUNTY DEDICATED SOME LAND TO VDOT TO PUT THAT FLYOVER IN.
NOW WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET A BUNCH OF CALLS AND PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WHAT ABOUT MY VIEW SHED? BUT IT WAS SUCH A NECESSARY THING AFTER YOU THOUGHT IT WAS WELL WORTH THOSE COMPLAINTS.
THAT WILL WAS IT, IT IS NECESSARY BECAUSE THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCIDENT, EMERGENCY VEHICLE.
THEY, OTHERWISE THEY'D HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS, UH, MORGAN FORD.
AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF MORGAN FORD WAS BLOCKED BY A FLOOD EVENT
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AND YOU HAD THE RAILROAD BLOCK? SO IT COULD BE, THAT COULD BE A REAL, UH, PARK SITE'S GOT POTENTIAL SCHOOL SITE IN IT TOO.PARK SITE DOES IT, IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE A SCHOOL SITE.
THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT AS ANOTHER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SITE.
SO ACCESS TO THAT GETS A LITTLE MORE CRITICAL.
SO, UM, SO YEAH, THAT, THAT IS A, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT SHOWN BECAUSE IT, IT DID COME UP WITHIN THE PAST 10 YEARS.
UM, SO THE REALIGNMENT DID COME UP, BUT, UM, AND LET'S SEE.
SO LET'S, WE CAN KIND OF GO OVER THIS A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, UM, AT A SECOND RAMP TURN LANE, UH, THREE THROUGH LANES.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NBS B THROUGH LANES AT SB DUAL LEFT FOR THE RAMP.
SO THESE ARE JUST MORE LIKE, MORE OR LESS IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERSTATE, UH, CLOVER RELIEF.
THERE IS A, THERE IS A TRAFFIC TO GO HERE NOW AT COUNTRY CLUB ROAD.
AND I'M GONNA GO OVER HERE TO OUR FUTURE LAND, FUTURE, UH, CORRIDOR TRANSPORTATION PLAN, RURAL ARTERIAL MAP.
SO THIS IS COUNTRY CLUB ROAD WHERE THIS IS RIVERTON COMMONS, THIS IS CROOKED RUN.
UM, SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THERE ALONG THE CORRIDOR, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
SO THE PLANNING WAS, AND, AND THIS IS THIS ENTRANCE, THIS INTERSECTION IS AT CAPACITY.
NEED EYE IS LIKE THINKING WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PRESSURE ON THAT.
SO THIS, THIS HAS ALL BEEN PLANNED OUT, THESE, THESE INTERCONNECTORS, SO TO SPEAK, UH, ON BOTH SIDES, BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE.
SO AS THE COUNTY HAS, UH, APPROVED, UH, PLANS OF THE MARRIOTT, UM, ON THIS SIDE, THE 9,700 COURT, UM, A SELF STORAGE FACILITY, WE'VE GOTTEN THAT LAND THAT RIGHT AWAY IT'S ABOUT 50 FEET ON EACH ONE.
AND AS WE CONTINUE UP, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE RELIANCE ROAD, BUT EVEN IF WE GET TO A POINT WHERE, UH, WE CAN COME BACK OUT ON IT AND ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT PRESSURE, UH, ON BOTH SIDES, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PLAN.
AND, AND THIS IS EVEN SHOWN GOING ALL THE WAY UP THE ROCKLAND ROAD.
SO, UH, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.
I WON'T SAY WE'VE HAD PUSHBACKS, BUT, UM, THE DEVELOPERS HAD, HAVE HAD TO KIND OF GIVE UP A LITTLE LAND AND THE COUNTY HAS HAD TO KIND OF COMPROMISE ON THE WIDE, THE WIDENESS OF THE, UH, THE UM, RIGHT.
OF WAY THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SHADOWS DRIVE.
THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INTERSECTION GOING INTO BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS.
AND UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? UM, THIS IS THE OLD SUCCESS ROAD.
I THINK FOR THE MOST PART, THIS HAS KIND OF BEEN ABANDONED.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE WORRIED TOO MUCH ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, UH, BUT ANY CASE, LET'S SEE HERE.
UM, SO THEY'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL.
I MEAN, THIS IS, THERE'S ALREADY A SIGNAL HERE MM-HMM.
UM, BUT THERE COULD BE SPOT IMPROVEMENT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, BETTER DESELL LANE OR THAT KINDA THING.
UM, SO WE DO, THIS IS ONE THING OUR PLANS MISSION WILL BE LOOKING AT IS WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, WHAT DO, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO BRING THIS PLAN TO FRUITION AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
UM, AND, AND, UH, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT'S REALLY ALL I'VE GOT IS THE, MATT, I HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK.
SO THIS SAYS 2012, HOW IS THAT, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO WITH THIS NEXT STEP FOR YOU GUYS IS TO KIND OF UPDATE THIS SINCE THE BEEN 10 YEARS? IT'S, I THINK THAT IS GONNA HAVE TO GET UPDATED.
THIS IS GONNA HAVE TO GET UPDATED.
YEAH, THIS IS, THIS WILL WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH VDO.
BECAUSE LIKE WITH THE COMP PLANS, THEY GET SUBMITTED TO VDOT AND VDOT KIND OF LOOK THROUGH THE TRANS, THEY, IT, THEIR BLESSING AND STUFF.
SO FOR THE TOWN'S PURPOSES, THIS LIKE, LOOKS LIKE A BRIDGE OVER THE RIVER AT KENDRICK LANE IS WHERE WE AT.
OH, LET ME GO BACK TO CIVIL, SORRY.
UH, WHERE YOU, WHERE IS THAT AT? LIKE IN THE PROCESS WISE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S
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IN THE NEAR FUTURE? IS THAT BECAUSE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE WHERE? KENDRICK LANE? NO, KENDRICK.SO IT'S POTENTIAL EVALUATE, POTENTIAL CONNECTOR BRIDGE TO AEC SITE.
SO RIGHT AT THE RIVER RIGHT HERE.
CAUSE THAT WOULD CH THAT WOULD CERTAINLY POTENTIALLY AFFECT OUR FUTURE LAND USE.
THAT, THAT AREA OVER THERE IS RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S REALLY THE ONLY INDUSTRIAL WE HAVE.
IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2013, CREATED IN 2012.
THIS IS ME NOT, AND THIS IS WHAT BASICALLY WE USED TO CREATE OUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN IN 2015.
I THINK A BIG, A BIG PART OF THAT IS JUST POTENTIAL WESTERN PARKWAY COLLECTOR.
YOU CAN SEE THIS FROM HERE AND IT'S, IT JUST OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, TOWN BOUNDARY HERE.
I GET MY, OKAY, SO CHRIS RAMSEY, I THINK HE HAS, UH, CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON THIS LAND.
AND THERE WAS TALK ABOUT POTENTIALLY DOING THAT EVEN FROM HERE DOWN TO HERE.
AT ONE POINT IN TIME, RHONDA WELLEN WAS LOOKING AT DOING IT AND THEN DOING SOME DEVELOPMENT THERE AT, UH, WHERE THE OLD, UH, LANDFILL WAS AGAIN, THAT WAS ALMOST PROBABLY 13 YEARS AGO.
SO YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO ALMOST CREATE A BYPASS AROUND THE IT WAS A BYPASS.
BUT, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UM, I DON'T SEE OUR EFFORTS GOING INTO THAT VERY MUCH.
SO THEN YOU'LL, YOU'LL REDO THIS AND LIKE PRIORITIZE, LIKE GET NEW PRIORITIES AND STUFF.
SO THEN THIS IS, SO, UM, BECAUSE THEN IF, I MEAN, CUZ IN THEORY, LIKE ONCE YOU GUYS DO THAT, THAT ALLOWS US IN LIKE I GUESS WHAT ANOTHER TWO, THREE YEARS THEN YOU COME IN AND REEVALUATE OUR TRANSPORTATION SECTION.
AND ACTUALLY AS A PART OF IT ALL, I MEAN YOU, YOU'VE GOT THIS COMPONENT HERE, SO
AND SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THIS MAY NOT HAVE CHANGED OR SOME OF IT MIGHT HAVE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU AT WITH THAT ONE CONNECTOR? UM, THE WEST MAIN CONNECTOR.
YEAH, THE WEST MAIN CONNECTOR.
SO, AND THAT'S THE THING, LIKE WE HAVE THE WEST MAIN CONNECTOR AND THE EAST WEST CONNECTOR IN OUR C I P.
BUT NO, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY LIKE GENUINE OR IN DEPTH STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE TO EVEN START TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST FOR.
UM, AND EVEN WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT MIGHT COME OUT OF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK HIGHER PRIORITY ITEMS AND YOU PUT IT ON HERE.
LIKE WE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THE HAPPY CREEK ROAD IMPROVEMENT.
WELL THIS IS DONE THE HAPPY CREEK, YOU KNOW, THE ONE IS DONE, BUT THE
AND THAT'S NOT BEEN SO, SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT PRIORITIZING AND WHATNOT, BUT FOR US, LIKE THESE ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS TO THE COUNTY, LIKE ESPECIALLY DURING LIKE LEAF PEE SEASON, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
IF LIKE, SAY THOSE ROUNDABOUTS ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN THE TOWN AND THEN YOU HAVE THESE ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY ALLEVIATE A LOT OF OUR TRAFFIC ISSUES WE HAVE DURING PEE SEASON, WHATEVER.
THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE LEAF PEES.
YEAH, THEY DON'T, NOBODY GOES THROUGH TOWN, BUT YOU'D HAVE LESS TRAFFIC.
ARE THEY ACTUALLY BUYING STUFF? NO, PROBABLY.
THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING RIGHT IN VIEWING AND THEN THEY STOP AT THE APPLE HOUSE.
SO IT'S ALMOST TOO CONGESTED FOR STOP SOMETIMES I THINK.
I MEAN, SOUTH STREET GETS BAD LIKE THESE LAST COUPLE WEEKS SOUTH.
I'M, I'M JUST RIGHT HERE DOWN IN THE, JUST ON BLUE RIDGE AVENUE.
SO SOMETIMES I'LL GO OUT TO THE OTHER END OF TOWN 55.
HONESTLY, IF I CAN AVOID GOING OVER THE BRIDGES, I DO, I MEAN I JUST STAY IN TOWN TOWN AND COME OUT BY SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL AND PICK UP THREE 40 THERE BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS LIVE IT EVERY DAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT CAN REALLY IMPACT TOWN.
I THINK IT'S SO EXPENSIVE EITHER WAY.
THAT THINK WAS A LONG TIME FOR YOU SEE THAT BRIDGE CROSS THAT RIVER.
GOSH, THAT WOULD BE A, TO GET THAT MONEY OUT TO HELP.
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THAT'S WHEN OUR TOURISM WOULD NEED TO DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF MARKETING THE TOWN WAY AROUND.WE HAVE PEOPLE MEETINGS JUST TO GET THROUGH.
SO, UM, I MEAN THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, BIG THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED THAT, THAT HAVE BENEFITED DOWN COUNTY WITH BUILDING OF THE BRIDGES, YOU KNOW, UM, RIGHT HERE IS THAT COURT THAT CONNECTOR YOUR, YOU SAYS 6 0 6, IT'S A SHANDO SHORE.
SO THIS WOULD BE THAT CONNECTOR INTO TOWN THROUGH THE VAZZANO PROPERTY AND THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WHERE MR. SAYERS IN THAT AREA THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, THE BOARD HAD A DISCUSSION WITH FIRE AND RESCUE OF POTENTIALLY PUTTING AN EMERGENCY EXIT HERE AT THE INTERCHANGE.
NOT OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, A GATED EXIT SPECIFICALLY FOR, UM, EMERGENCY VEHICLES SO THAT THEY CAN GO COME BACK IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S A BLOCKAGE SOMEWHERE AT THE RAILROAD TRACK, THEY CAN COME BACK AND, AND, AND CIRCLE AROUND OR CAN GET OVER.
BUT IS THAT SOMETHING VIDO WILL PAY FOR? UH, I'M NOT SURE
UH, IT IS IN A, IT'S IN AT 66, SO WE WOULD INVOLVE THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY YEAH.
SO THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MONEY THAT YOU WANNA IDENTIFY RIGHT? AS LIKE IN, IN THE FUTURE, UH, PLAN AS AN EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, EGRESS TYPE THING FOR, SO THAT'LL GO INTO YOUR CIP.
SO WE, WELL, WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT MAYBE IF NOT C I P AT LEAST IN THE COMP PLAN.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT GUY, YOU KNOW, AS, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE BIG QUESTION IS WHEN ARE THEY GONNA WIND 55? IS IT GONNA HAPPEN IN OUR LIFETIME? MM.
UH, LIVE TO BE PRETTY OLD PERSON.
BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU'RE JUST GONNA SEE IS, IS IMPROVE SPOT IMPROVEMENTS, UH, LIKE AROUND, UH, HIGH KN AND UM, TURNING LANE SECTION FOR RUN INTO TOWN WOULD BE THE MOST CRITICAL, ESPECIALLY WHERE LEAF WORKERS.
AND THAT WOULD BE A THOUGHT, UH, TO DO THAT COMMUTER.
THE MAIN ORDER IS, AND THAT'S WHERE YOUR, YOUR PLANNING KIND OF COMES IN IS THE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO EXPAND AND TAKE OUT YOUR NICE WALKWAY AND, AND UH, GARDEN AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU INVESTED IN PUT SO MUCH MONEY IN, OR DO YOU WANT TO ACQUIRE LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS PRIVATE LAND? IT COULD COST, YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO, TO DO THAT EXPANSION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
UH, BUT YEAH, SO THIS IS THE INTERSECTION THERE, RIGHT? I THINK SOUTH.
SO, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE HAS BEEN IN THE PAST FEW YEARS SOME, SOME REAL, UM, UH, BENEFITS TO, UH, IN SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, ALBEIT SOME OF THE PEDESTRIAN TRAILS.
THE, THE, UH, SHENANDOAH GREENWAY, ROYAL SHENANDOAH GREENWAY, IS THAT WHAT YOU CALL IT? YEAH.
IS THAT SOMETHING? SO WE HAVE THAT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ALWAYS KIND OF WONDERED AND, AND, UH, I TOOK THAT IDEA, THIS IDEA FROM THE HOSPITAL GREENWAY DOWN IN, IN LARAY IS, YOU KNOW, WHY NOT PUT A PEDESTRIAN WALKING TRAIL UNDERNEATH THE SOUTH STREET BRIDGE? YOU KNOW? YEAH.
IT MIGHT BE VULNERABLE FOR, FOR, FOR UH, YOU KNOW, FLOODING, BUT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD BE PATCHED UP, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY EASILY AND THEN PROVIDE SAFE ACCESS INSTEAD OF GOING, ACTUALLY HAS AN EASEMENT TO DO THAT.
BUT THEY DECIDED NOT TO BUILD IT WHEN WE INSTRUCTED THE TRAIL FOR WHATEVER REASON.
THEY FELT SECURITY WAS AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, THAT PUT A LIGHT IN THE CAMERA UNDER THE BRIDGE AND EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, OR DON'T WALK IT.
IF YOU'RE, I MEAN, YOU HAVE AN OPTION.
YOU DO AN OPTION YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO OVER.
SO I MEAN THESE ARE JUST ALL THINGS BUT WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC.
BUT, UH, AND Y'ALL KNOW HOW POPULAR THE EASTERN PARK TRAIL HAS BEEN AND, AND UH, THAT THAT'S BEEN A REAL WIN-WIN SUCCESS FOR BOTH THE TOWN AND COUNTY.
AND THEN, UH, AS LAUREN WAS MENTIONING, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, WITH ABEX AND UH, THE INSTITUTIONAL AREA HERE AND THEN OF COURSE WITH, UH, THE OLD, UH, VF VFW, VFW SITE, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF WALKING VIKING TRAIL UP THROUGH THAT, UH, WOULD BE,
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YOU KNOW, SOMETHING YOU DEFINITELY WANNA IDENTIFY.THESE ARE PRIMARILY THE SUES IS PRIMARILY FOR ROAD CONNECTIONS FOR, FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
SO I'LL JUST POINT THAT OUT ANYWAY.
UM, SO YOU GOT THOSE, YOU CAN TAKE THOSE HOME AND KINDA LOOK AT 'EM A LITTLE BIT MORE.
LAUREN, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLING AND OTHER STUFF THAT CAME OUT OF Y'ALL'S DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE THAT MAP AVAILABLE.
MAYBE WE COULD JUST EVEN DO SOME DIALOGUE ABOUT THAT.
ONE OF OUR NEXT STEPS THAT I'M WORKING ON TOO IS ONCE WE GET THROUGH THE COMP PLAN AND THEN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SO WE'VE GOT THIS GRANT DECIDED TO FLOOD THE PLANE, BUT THE THOUGHT IS ALSO START DESIGNATING SOME MONEY FOR AN ACTUAL TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN THAT WOULD GO MUCH MORE IN DEPTH THAN THIS CHAPTER.
AND THEN THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY LINK ALL OF THE TOWN TRAILS TOGETHER SO THAT WE COULD HAVE AN ACTUAL BICYCLE LOOP AND WE CAN HAVE WALKING TRAIL LOOPS AND THEN CONNECT THOSE IN WITH THE TOWN AND EVENTUALLY CONNECT TO THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL HEAD.
CAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT'S CRAZY THAT WE SOMEHOW DIDN'T GET THAT TRAIL TO COME THROUGH TOWN.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT, BUT, UM, BUT WE ALSO NEED A SAFE WAY FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO GET FROM THAT TRAIL HEAD INTO TOWN AS LIKE A BASE CAMP THING.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT OUR TROLLEY GOES DOWN THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT GOES ENOUGH.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HOPEFULLY LIKE A, YOU KNOW, IN WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR TO TWO YEARS, REALLY START PUSHING AND, AND WORKING TOWARDS AN ACTUAL WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN.
UM, WOULD THERE BE A LOT OF, WOULD THERE BE PRIVATELY AN ACQUISITION THAT YOU'D HAVE TO DO? OR IS THERE, IS IT PRIMARILY, DO YOU HAVE, HAVE YOU IDENTIFIED A AREA? I KNOW JUSTIN PROCTOR KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS IN, IN YEAH.
BUT UH, AND HE SUGGESTED SOME AREAS THAT WOULD BE PRIVATE.
IT WOULD BE EASEMENT PUBLIC ARE PRIVATE LAND.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR WE'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN AT THIS POINT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO FOCUS FIRST MAYBE ON LIKE PEDESTRIAN TRAILS OR BICYCLE TRAILS.
I THINK WE NEED OUR SCOPE THERE A LITTLE BIT AS FAR ASAC GOES.
UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE MAP THAT TALKS ABOUT OUR, OUR PEDESTRIAN TRAILS THAT, THAT KIND OF WAVES IT OUT.
UM, WHAT SECTION OF YOUR ORDINANCE IS THAT, BY THE WAY? DO YOU KNOW IT OFF, OFF YOUR HEAD? ON THE NEW COMP PLAN? YEAH.
UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY CHAPTER.
SO, SO THAT'LL BE IN THE, THAT'LL IF YOU GO TO THE, UM, IT'LL BE RIGHT AFTER THE BIG IDEAS.
SO THERE'S LIKE THE FOUR BIG IDEAS, SORRY, I'VE GOT THE OUTLINE I CAN KEEP IN MY HEAD.
NOT IF THAT HELPS YOU, BUT, UM, IT SHOULD BE BACK.
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I DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF GUIDANCE AS FAR AS TOURISM WENT.
SO I WROTE THE TOURISM SECTIONS AS VERY GENERAL AND THEN I THREW IN LIKE AN ECO ECO ECOTOURISM THING.
CAUSE I MEAN WE HAVE THE RIVER, WE HAVE THE TRAILS, YOU KNOW, SHENANDOAH FASHION PARK.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE GOOD FOR A THING HERE.
BUT I'M OPEN TO ANY FEEDBACK AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
SO I'LL JUST MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAS, UH, IN THE PAST 10 YEARS REALLY COME TO FRUITION IS YOU RALEIGH PROGRAM, UM, THE BUS PROGRAM OUT TO THE CORRIDOR BUS.
AND UH, OF COURSE REGIONAL COMMISSION HAS THEIR THEIR COMMUTER BUS, COMMUTER BUS PROGRAM TO THE CITY.
IT'S KIND OF OUTSIDE OUR, YOU KNOW, PLANNING, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO FACTOR IN AS FAR AS PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT COMMUTING.
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SO THOSE ARE A COUPLE THINGS.AND THEN MR. MYERS WAS MENTIONED TO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT UH, THE, UM, ELECTRIC, UH, STATIONS, ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS.
AND YOU'VE GOT ONE HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
I THINK WE'VE ACTUALLY MOVED THAT ONE, BUT THERE'S PROBABLY PLANNED TO RELOCATE IT.
AND UM, I KNOW THERE'VE BEEN A, LIKE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER THERE HAVE BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ADDING CHARGING STATIONS AND MM-HMM.
CAUSE I MEAN SHEETS AND HAYMARKET HAS 15 STATIONS.
YOU CAN GET HERE FROM DC ON LIKE ONE CHARGE.
THEY CAN CHARGE UP HERE IN TOWN AND THEN GET ON THE PARKWAY A LITTLE BIT.
MEAN CHARGE UP BEFORE THEY GO HOME.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE THINK IT'S THE LEAVE OF THE FUTURE.
IT'S THE WAVE OF THE VERY NEAR FUTURE GAS PRICE OR TO SELL ELECTRIC F ONE 50 S FASTER THAN THEY BUILD THEM.
WELL WE'RE IN THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PHASE.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CATCH, WE CAN TALK TO 'EM ABOUT THAT.
MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT HAVING THEM PUT A, YOU KNOW, A FEW OF THOSE IN JUST FOR STARTERS.
AND THEN WE KIND GET 'EM FROM THERE.
I MEAN THEY BUILT THAT JUST, JUST PURE GASOLINE.
THEN THEY CAME BACK AND RETROFITTED.
THAT SHEET THERE'S BEEN POUR DOWN BUILT TWICE NOW.
BUT IT WAS GAS THEN THEY BLOCKED OFF PARK PART OF THE PARKING LOT AND PUT IN ALL THOSE TESLA RECHARGING STATIONS.
EVERY TIME YOU DRIVE BY THERE THERE'S ABOUT FIVE OR SIX TESLAS CHARGING UP.
I HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH THERE IN A WHILE MOST NEAT.
BUT I KNOW LIKE WITH THE TRIAL WE'VE KIND OF STARTED DOING AN ANALYSIS OF WHERE THEY STOP AND LIKE WALKABILITY IS A, A BIG GOAL.
I MEAN THAT'S KIND OF WHAT KIND OF HELPS WITH THE SMALL TOWN CHAR.
IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO WALK AROUND.
UM, AND TYPICALLY IN PLANNING, YOU KNOW, WALKABILITY, YOU DON'T WANT SOMETHING MORE THAN A QUARTER MILE AWAY.
THAT'S TYPICALLY LIKE THE FARTHEST SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO WALK AS A QUARTER VI.
SO THINK THE NEXT STEPS OF THE TROLLEY ARE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE STOPS ARE AND JUST KIND OF MAP OUT MAYBE WHAT'S WITHIN A QUARTER MILE AND THEN MAYBE FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS GONNA BE A, A MODE OF TRANSPORTATION, ESPECIALLY FOR LIKE AN AFFORDABLE TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO THESE STOPS NEED TO BE LOCATED IN REARRANGED SO THAT IT IS WALKABLE FOR THE PEOPLE OF FRONT RURAL TO GET THERE.
MAYBE I'M TOO MUCH OF A FOSSIL ON THIS, BUT LIKE WITH THE BICYCLE LANES, I LIVE ON HAPPY CREEK ROAD AND I THINK SINCE IT'S BEEN WIDENING THE BICYCLE LANES BEEN PUT ON, I THINK I CAN COUNT ON ONE HAND.
I MEAN BICYCLES I'VE SEEN IN IT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S THE ONLY SAFE ROAD TO RIDE ON.
THEY'RE ALL COMING OUTTA THE YEAH.
WELL LIKE ROYAL AVENUE HERE IN TOWN, LIKE NORTH ROYAL SOUTH, I THINK THERE'S SPACE.
I MEAN THAT ROAD COULD, I THINK USE A ROAD DIET IN SOME INSTANCES, BUT WE COULD PUT, WE COULD FIT THE BIKE LANES ON THERE.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN JUST GO OUT AND PAINT THEM.
THE CHALLENGE WITH BIKE LANES, I USED TO DO AN AWFUL LOT OF RIDING.
I WAS, I RACED THE, UH, BIKE LANES ARE ALWAYS FULL OF DIRT, GRAVEL, GLASS SEDAN, WHICH BETTER IS LEAVE THE LANE WIDER SO A CAR CAN SQUEEZE INTO THE NEXT LANE TO GET AROUND US.
MOST GOOD RIDERS RIDE WITHIN 18 INCHES OF THE EDGE OF THE ROAD.
THAT'S WHERE THE SAFEST PLACE FOR US TO RIDE.
AND, AND I'LL, I'LL JUST MENTION ONE OF THE THINGS I, I DID AS PART OF THE, UH, WORKING FOR THE REGIONAL COMMISSION ON AN INTERNSHIP IS THE WALKING AND WHEELING PROGRAM.
THEY DID A, A, UH, A STUDY ON THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT THAT WAS THE BIG DEAL IS PAVED SHOULDERS.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE PAVED SHOULDERS, IT'S GONNA DETER PEOPLE FROM, FROM CYCLING.
AND IN THE CASE OF TOWN, UH, AND PEDESTRIAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, SITE DISTANCE BECAUSE IF YOU ARE BLOCKED BY A TELEPHONE POLE AND YOU STEP OUT IN THE ROAD, GUESS WHAT? THAT PERSON HASN'T SEEN YOU AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THEM COMING.
AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF INTERSECTIONS IN THE TOWN WHERE I CAN POINT THAT OUT CUZ I DO A LITTLE BIT OF SHORT WALKING NOW AND AGAIN.
SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE THINGS FOR US TO THINK ABOUT AND, YOU KNOW, INCORPORATING, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, THE COUNTY COMP PLAN, BUT ALSO INTO, YOU KNOW, PLANNING OF, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO LAUREN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD OR, UH, CAN I ASK OUR CHAIRMANS IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD THIS EVENING? BEEN A PLEASURE.
WE NEED TO DO THIS MORE OFTEN.
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YOU THE, THAT I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION TO ADJOURN.