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IT

[I. CALL TO ORDER]

IS SEVEN O'CLOCK.

UH, WILL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.

UM, I AM FILLING IN AS CHAIR TONIGHT AS OUR, UH, CHAIRMAN IS OUT OF TOWN.

UH, MS. POTTER, WILL YOU START OFF, OFF WITH A ROLL CALL? VICE CHAIRMAN GORDON? HERE.

COMMISSIONER WELLS? HERE.

COMMISSIONER MARSH? HERE.

COMMISSIONER INGRAM HERE.

THAT'S LOUD.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, SO FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS

[III. ADDITION/DELETION OF ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA]

ADDITION AND DELETION OF ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA.

UH, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE, UH, HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO ADD TONIGHT.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? UH, MS. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADD THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE OCTOBER 19TH, 2022 BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS MEETING FOR APPLICATION NUMBER 22 3 98 WHEN APPLICANT OF WHICH IS PROPERTY CONNECTION LLC.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, UH, HEARING DONE, MS. POTTER? CAN WE HAVE A, UH, ROLL CALL? UH, ROLL CALL VOTE.

COMMISSIONER MARSH? I, COMMISSIONER INGRAM? YES.

COMMISSIONER WELLS? YES.

VICE CHAIRMAN GORDON? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE WILL BE DISCUSSING, UH, BZA VARIANCE APPLICATION 22 0 30 98, DURING THE NEW BUSINESS SECTION OF THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

UH, NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE APPROVAL OF MINUTES

[IV. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

FROM THE REGULAR MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2022.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A NOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN FOR THE SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2020 SECOND, OR 2022, UH, REGULAR MEETING.

SECOND.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? UH, H HEARING NONE.

UH, MS. POTTER, WOULD YOU, UH, TAKE A ROLL CALL, VOTE FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

COMMISSIONER INGRAM? YES.

COMMISSIONER MARNER? YES.

VICE CHAIRMAN GORDON? YES.

COMMISSIONER WELLS? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2022 REGULAR MEETING ARE APPROVED AS WRITTEN.

UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS.

UH, SO THIS IS A SECTION, UM, FOR CITIZENS TO SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING NOT ON THE AGENDA.

UH, FOR TONIGHT, IS THERE ANYBODY ON ATTENDANCE WHO WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK? UH, SEEING NO TAKERS.

UM, WE WILL MOVE ON TO

[VI. CONSENT AGENDA]

THE CONSENT AGENDA.

UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

UH, THIS IS A CONSENT TO RE ADVERTISE FOR APPLICATION NUMBER 22 0 0 3 49, UH, AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, SUBMITTED BY AARON HIKE.

ARE THERE ANY MOTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN? I MAKE A MOTION TO RE ADVERTISE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION 22 3 49 BY MR. AARON HIKE.

I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.

UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

RIGHT.

UH, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE

[VII. PUBLIC HEARINGS]

PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, WE HAVE FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT.

UH, FIRST UP IS APPLICATION NUMBER 22 3 52, UH, SUBMITTED BY LIFEPOINT CHURCH.

UH, AND I WILL ASK STAFF IF YOU CAN GIVE A, A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THIS APPLICATION.

PUBLIC HEARING FOR 22 3 52 LIFEPOINT CHURCH IS ARREST REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR A DAYCARE TO BE LOCATED WITHIN THE CHURCH

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LOCATED AT 1111 NORTH SHENANDOAH AVENUE, IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP NUMBER 20 A TWO DASH 4 44 DASH 12 A, ALSO 13, 14, 15, 16, AND 17.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C1.

THE DAYCARE IS CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY USE THAT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PURSUANT TOWN CODE 1 75 DASH 39 B.

THE STANDARDS OF 1 75 DASH 1 0 71 DO NOT APPLY IN THIS INSTANCE BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C1 AND IS NOT RESIDENTIAL.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, AT THIS TIME, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, SO MS. POTTER, DID WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK FOR THIS APPLICATION? I, THE APPLICANT.

OKAY.

REPRESENTATIVE, THE ADVOCATE.

UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IF NECESSARY? ? WELL, THAT'S UP TO YOU, BUT, UM, IF SO, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME.

OKAY.

I'M SHERE JENNINGS, AND, UM, I'M JUST A REPRESENTATIVE OF LIFEPOINT CHURCH, AND WE JUST WANTED TO OFFER THIS SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, SO WE CAN PROVIDE THINGS FOR PARENTS THAT MAY WANT TO WORK OR FOR THEIR, THEIR EDUCATION AND HAVE A HEALTHY AND, UM, A LOVING AND SAFE PLACE FOR THEIR CHILDREN TO BE WHILE THAT IS HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, WHILE THEY DO THAT.

AND, UM, WE WOULD JUST APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THAT.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? ALL RIGHT.

UH, SEEING NO INTEREST, UH, WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR THIS APPLICATION AND, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

UM, THE PROPOSED DAYCARE LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE IN THE CORNER OF THE, OF THE, OF THE CORNER ROOM OF THE FIRST FLOOR, AND THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE THE FOCUS AREA, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE KIDS OR? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

UM, THERE'S A, A ROOM JUST INSIDE OF THE CARPORT.

THERE'S ONE, WE DO HAVE A FEW ROOMS BEYOND THAT.

IF WE LOOK, HAVE MORE STUDENTS, THAT'S THE FIRST ROOM.

OKAY.

YOU, I STAFF HAS INSPECTED THE PROPERTY AND THE APPLICATION AND EVERYTHING IS SQUARE.

NO, NO, UH, INSPECTIONS REQUIRED ON OUR HALF BEHALF ON THIS PART.

UH, THE INSPECTIONS WILL COME, UH, WHEN THE APPLICANT APPLICANT OBTAINS THE NECESSARY PERMITS FOR WARREN COUNTY FOR THE, UH, USE OF THE PROPERTY AS A DAYCARE.

AND THE APPLICANT WILL ALSO HAVE TO GET THE LICENSING TO OPERATE THE DAYCARE.

THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WILL NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL THEY RE RE, UH, OBTAIN ALL THE NECESSARY RE PERMITS AND LICENSES.

THANK YOU.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW MANY DAYCARES THERE ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING IN FRONT ROYAL? JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, DO YOU KNOW? OKAY.

MY SENSE IS THAT THIS WILL BE A VERY WELCOME ADDITION TO, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY, I KNOW OF LIKE A COUPLE SMALL ONES, I THINK, BUT NOTHING REALLY COMES TO MIND OF ANY MAGNITUDE.

OH, I KNOW WE'VE APPROVED THEM BEFORE, BUT THEY HAVEN'T OPENED .

YEAH.

YEAH, THERE'S LIKE SOME PRIVATE SCHOOLS, BUT NOTHING, NOTHING IN MY MIND COMES TO MY IMMEDIATE MEMORY OF ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGNATED AS A, AS A, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A COMMUNITY NEED, ESPECIALLY AS WE WE GROW.

THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION THAT THEY'D LIKE PROPOSE? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

I MOVED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE FRONT WORLD TOWN COUNCIL FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION 20 2003 52 FOR A DAYCARE LOCATED ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITHIN THE CHURCH AT ONE 11 NORTH SHENANDOAH AVENUE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

ONE, THAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS AUTHORIZED FOR A DAYCARE TO

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BE LOCATED AT 1 11 1 NORTH SHENANDOAH AVENUE.

TWO.

THE APPLICANT WILL ADHERE TO ALL LICENSING REQUIREMENTS STIPULATED BY DPO R THREE.

THE APPLICANT SHALL OBTAIN ANY NECESSARY PERMITS FROM WARREN COUNTY PRIOR TO COMMENCING THE USE.

UH, FOUR.

THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE STAFF WITH HOURS OF OPERATION AND A TRAFFIC FLOW DIAGRAM PRIOR TO COM COMMITMENTS OR COMMENCEMENT OF ITS USE.

SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

UH, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

UH, MS. POTTER, WILL YOU TAKE A ROLL CALL? VOTE.

COMMISSIONER INGRAM? YES.

COMMISSIONER MARSH? YES.

VICE CHAIRMAN GORDON? YES.

COMMISSIONER WELLS? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, APPLICATION NUMBER 2 2 3 52, UH, WILL BE FORWARDED TO TOWN COUNCIL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, UH, ALONG WITH THE FOUR CONDITIONS, UM, AS READ IN THE MOTION.

UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE APPLICATION NUMBER 22 0 360 7.

UH, THIS IS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, SUBMITTED BY THE MINUTE GROUP.

UM, AND BEFORE WE HAVE STAFF GIVE A SUMMARY ON THIS, I DO WANNA, UM, I GUESS MAKE A, UH, A POINT THAT I ALSO OWN A SHORT TERM RENTAL IN TOWN.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT PRECLUDES ME FROM VOTING.

I WILL HAVE A, UM, OBJECTIVE OPINION.

SO, UH, WITH THAT SAID, UM, STAFF, CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THIS APPLICATION? SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR 22 0 360 7 IS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A SHORT TERM RENTAL LOCATED AT 2 0 6 LEE STREET, IDENTIFIED BY TAX MAP NUMBER 20 A SEVEN DASH FOUR DASH 91 A.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R THREE.

IT IS LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.

THE APPLICATION IS FOR WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL, THREE BEDROOMS AND SIX PEOPLE.

THANK YOU.

UH, AT THIS TIME, WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR APPLICATION NUMBER 22 0 360 7.

UH, MS. POTTER, DID WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK? NO.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP.

IS ANYBODY HERE? UM, WOULD YOU LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, NO INTEREST IN SPEAKING.

UH, WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR APPLICATION NUMBER 22 360 7, UH, AND TURNED IT OVER TO COUNCIL, OR, UH, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSION THE PLANNING, COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION.

UH, MS. CHAIRMAN, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.

I KNOW, JOHN, YOU ANSWERED THIS WHEN YOU'RE IN YOUR DESCRIPTION, BUT IF YOU COULD RE RE, UH, REPEAT WHAT THE OCCUPANCY INTENTION IS.

UH, IT'S JUST NOT ON THE APPLICATION.

IT'S FOR HER WHOLE HOUSE RENTAL, THREE BEDROOM, SIX PEOPLE.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

OH, ONE MORE QUESTION, AND I KNOW THIS WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, PREVIOUSLY, IS THE PARKING, THE, THE, THE, UH, DRIVEWAY, UH, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS, IS THERE STILL MOVEMENT ON THAT? UH, AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE, UH, DWELLING IS A RESIDENTIAL USE.

THE PARKING IS ON THE STREET.

UH, REQUIREMENT FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS HAVE THE DESIGNATED PARKING AREA OR IN THE DRIVEWAYS.

UH, THE APPLICANT HAS CHOSE NOT TO INSTALL THE DRIVEWAY AT THIS POINT UNTIL THE, UH, SPECIAL USE.

IF IT IS, UH, PASSED, UH, BY TOWN COUNCIL AND RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT, UH, THE STAFF WILL CONDUCT AN INSPECTION PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL.

SO IF THE, UH, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WILL NOT BE APPROVED UNTIL THE DRIVEWAY IS INSTALLED.

SO THEY HAVE ELECTED NOT TO INSTALL THE DRIVEWAY UNTIL THEY GET APPROVAL FROM TOWN COUNCIL.

IT JUST NEEDS TO BE A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL.

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UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MOVE THAT.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE F FRONT ROW TOWN COUNCIL FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, 22 0 0 3 6 7 FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL LOCATED AT 2 0 6 LEE STREET, CONDITIONAL UPON THE APPROVAL FROM THE TOWN COUNCIL AND THE INSTALLATION OF A DRIVEWAY WITH THREE PARKING SPACES.

SECOND, UH, THANK YOU.

WE'VE GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND.

UH, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, UH, MS. POTTER, WILL YOU GIVE US A ROLL CALL? VOTE VICE CHAIRMAN GORDON? YES.

COMMISSIONER MARNER? YES.

COMMISSIONER WELLS? YES.

COMMISSIONER INGRAM? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION OF INSTALLING, UM, A DRIVEWAY TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF, UM, FOR APPLICATION NUMBER 20 2003 67.

UH, NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE APPLICATION NUMBER 22 3 48, UM, AND THIS IS FOR 200 EAST MAIN STREET.

AGAIN, THIS IS FOR A SHORT TERM RENTAL, UM, STAFF.

CAN YOU, UH, GIVE US A SUMMARY OF THIS APPLICATION APPLICATION? 22 0 3 48 IS FOR A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTAL LOCATED AT 200 E OR 200 EAST MAIN STREET, IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP NUMBER 28 DASH FOUR DASH 33.

THE PROPERTY ZONE C2, IT IS LOCATED IN HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.

IT IS LOCATED ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING.

UH, IT HAS TWO DWELLING UNITS.

UH, THE APPLICATION IS FOR THREE ROOMS, SIX PEOPLE, AND THE LOT HAS SIX PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE.

THANK YOU.

UH, WE WILL NOW OPEN THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING FOR APPLICATION NUMBER 2 2 0 0 3 4 8.

MS. POTTER, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGN UP? NO.

RIGHT.

UH, NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP.

IS ANYBODY, UH, HERE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK? I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, SEEING NO SPEAKERS, UH, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR APPLICATION NUMBER 22 3 48, AND, UM, TURN IT OVER TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION.

JUST ONE QUESTION.

UM, I NOTICED ON THE APPLICATION THAT, UH, TRASH COLLECTION IS NOT APPLICABLE.

IS, IS, IS THERE A PRIVATE, UH, IS THERE A PRIVATE PROVIDER PICKING UP TRASH OR TRASH IS THE CANS.

OH, OKAY.

OKAY.

IT JUST SAYS ON THE APPLICATION IT SAYS, IT ASKS WHAT DAY THE TRASH IS PICKED UP.

AND I, I DUNNO, IT JUST PUTS, I'M JUST SAYING ON THE, ON THE APPLICATION, YOU'RE HERE, IT JUST SAYS NA FOR, FOR THE TRASHES.

FOR WHAT, WHAT DAY THE TRASH IS PICKED UP.

SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING.

SO, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION ON YOUR PARKING SPACES THERE BETWEEN MAIN STREET AND PEYTON, BEHIND THE BUILDING, RIGHT? YOUR BUILDING, WE ALSO HAVE SIGNS OPPOSED TO STRICTLY FOR BUILDING.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

DOES THE BUILDING HAVE A NAME? WELL, IT USED TO BE CALLED MY CALL.

SORRY.

UM, CAN YOU COME UP TO THE, TO THE, TO THE PODIUM FOR ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? WAS DOES IT THE BUILDING HAVE A NAME? I'M SORRY.

IT DOESN'T, IT'S SO THE PARKING SIGNS, JUST SAY FOR RESERVE FOR 200, A 200 EAST MAIN EAST MAIN STREET? YES.

YES.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

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WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT 20 2003 48 FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL, LOCATED AT 200 EAST MAIN STREET.

SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, MS. POTTER, YOU GIVE US A ROLL CALL.

VOTE.

COMMISSIONER INGRAM? YES.

COMMISSIONER MARSH? YES.

VICE CHAIRMAN GORDON? YES.

COMMISSIONER WELLS? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE FORWARDING A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR APPLICATION NUMBER 2, 2 3, 4 8 TO TOWN COUNCIL.

UH, NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR APPLICATION NUMBER 22 3 86.

UM, THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR PARKING, UM, STAFF, CAN YOU GIVE US A SUMMARY OF THIS, UH, APPLICATION? YES.

UM, THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS, UM, A REQUEST FROM THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF 1 75 1 51 PURSUANT TO 1 48 DASH EIGHT 70 POINT 18, AND 1 48 TO 11 A ONE.

SO THE APPLICANT WISHES TO OPERATE A SHORT TERM RENTAL LOCATED AT 12 CHESTER STREET.

THEY DO NOT HAVE, UM, PARKING WITHIN, UM, 300 FEET OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH SATISFIES THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF 1 75, 1 51.

UM, AND THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO OBTAIN OFFSITE PARKING WITHIN 300 FEET THAT SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENTS.

SO WITHOUT THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, UH, U THAT THIS COMMISSION HAD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF LAST MONTH'S MEETING CAN'T GO THROUGH.

UM, SO THIS IS KIND OF THE REMEDY TO SOME OF THE PARKING ISSUES WE'RE HAVING DOWNTOWN.

THIS IS THE PORTION OF DOWNTOWN THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE PARKING EXEMPTION, BUT THE REST OF DOWNTOWN IS COVERED UNDER.

THANK YOU.

UM, WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR APPLICATION NUMBER 22 0 3 86.

MS. POTTER, DID WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK? NO.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS, UH, SIGNED UP.

WOULD ANYBODY IN ATTENDANCE LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK? I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE BUILDING AND ANSWER QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

UH, HEARING NO OTHER, UM, OR SEEING NO OTHER, UM, SPEAKERS, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR 2203 86 AND, UH, TURN IT OVER TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION.

WELL, I'D JUST LIKE TO, UM, TALK IN GENERAL TERMS OF, OF, UH, THIS EXCEPTION, UH, APPLICATION AND THE POSSIBLE, UM, RESULT OF IT, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW IS, HOW IS THIS GONNA COME TO PLAY FOR, FOR PARKING EXEMPTIONS, UH, SHOULD ANY BE, UH, REQUESTED FOR OTHER SIDE STREETS IN TOWN? I MEAN, I THINK THAT PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TRAFFIC ALONG CHESTER STREET, FOR INSTANCE, IS AN INTEGRAL PART TO GET TO MAIN, TO GET TO MAIN STREET, YOU KNOW, FOR AS FAR AS TRAFFIC FLOW AND AS FAR AS, UH, EVEN PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC FOR THAT MATTER.

UM, I KNOW THAT PARTICULAR STRETCH, IT'S MORE COMMERCIAL, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE, THERE'S AN APARTMENT IN THERE IN THAT AREA.

UM, SO I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, UH, I'VE BEEN PONDERING THIS QUITE A BIT, YOU KNOW, AND WAS THINKING THAT IN THE BIGGER PICTURE OF WHAT EFFECT, IF THERE'S ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, IF ANY, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, UH, TAKE A PLA TAKE PLACE IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE FOR FURTHER EXEMPTIONS.

SO OBVIOUSLY, I GATHER YOU'RE AFRAID THAT IF WE SET A PRECEDENT HERE, THAT WE'LL BE EXPECTED TO DO IT SUBSEQUENTLY FOR OTHER PROPERTIES, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I MEAN, IN A,

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IN A, IN A WAY, BUT I MEAN, IN THIS PARTICULAR SETTING, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR PART OF CHESTER STREET, I'M SAYING THAT I THINK THAT, THAT, UH, I THINK THE EXEMPTION IS, SHOULD BE APPLICABLE TO THIS PART OF CHESTER STREET, GIVEN ITS TIE, ITS VICINITY TO MAIN STREET, I SHOULD SAY.

YOU KNOW, UM, AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE SIDE STREETS, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE CHURCH STREET, YOU KNOW, AND BLUE RIDGE AVENUE, PEOPLE AREN'T NECESSARILY GOING THERE TO PARK, WHEREAS CHESTER STREET, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS, YOU KNOW, UM, AND EVEN PEOPLE VISITING DOWNTOWN WILL WILL PARK IN THAT AREA.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT FOR, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU KNOW, I, I I, I THINK THAT THE EXCEPTION IS WARRANTED.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA SAY.

LIKE I SAID, I JUST, I, IT'S, IT'S, UM, LIKE I SAID, I KNOW IT COULD LEAD TO, YOU KNOW, BIGGER, THE BIGGER PICTURE COULD LEAD TO FURTHER, MAYBE FURTHER APPLICATIONS DOWN THE FUTURE IN THE FUTURE.

BUT I JUST THINK FOR THIS PARTICULAR SETTING, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM WHAT I'VE RESEARCHED AND, AND KNOW OF THE AREA, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT IT'S WARRANTED FOR, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.

SO ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GONNA BE USED AS A, YOU KNOW, THE INTENTION IS TO BE A SPEC SHORT, SHORT TERM RENTAL.

SO, WELL, I, I, I AGREE WITH YOU.

I MEAN, GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE GAZEBO PUBLIC PARKING LOT, I MEAN, I, I CAN'T ANTICIPATE NORMALLY , BUT I, I ALSO AGREE WITH YOU THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF THE PRECEDENTS WE SET.

I, I'D ALSO LIKE JUST POINT OUT THAT SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS ARE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

SO IF THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT SETTING A PRECEDENT, EVERY CASE WOULD BE CONSIDERED BY THIS BODY.

UM, AND, AND I GUESS I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT SETTING A PRECEDENT BECAUSE IT IS, UH, CASE BY CASE IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

UM, WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? YES, I MOVED THAT WE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL FOR SPECIAL EXEMPTION PERMIT 2 2 0 0 3 86.

IS THERE A SECOND? Y'ALL SECOND IT.

ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND.

UH, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, UH, MS. POTTER, WILL YOU GIVE US A ROLL CALL? VOTE.

OKAY.

VICE CHAIRMAN GORDON? YES.

COMMISSIONER MARSH? YES.

COMMISSIONER WELLS? YES.

COMMISSIONER INGRAM? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE FORWARDING A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR APPLICATION NUMBER 2 2 0 0 3 86 TO TOWN COUNCIL.

UM, AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR AGENDA SECTION FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UH, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO OLD BUSINESS, UH, WHERE WE HAVE NONE, UH, NEW

[IX. NEW BUSINESS]

BUSINESS WHERE WE HAVE NOW ADDED THE BZA APPLICATION NUMBER 22 0 39 8.

UM, STAFF, COULD YOU GIVE US A SUMMARY OF THIS APPLICATION? UH, VARIANCE APPLICATION 22 3 98, UH, SUBMITTED BY PROPERTY CONNECTIONS LLC.

UH, IT'S ON TAX MAP 20 A FOUR DASH FOUR DASH THREE.

UH, THE SITUATION IS THAT THEY ARE IS TWO LOTS AND TWO, UH, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.

BUT THE ONE DWELLING AT, UH, 6 31 KIBBLER STREET ACTUALLY IS ON TWO PROPERTIES.

THE PROPERTY LINE RUNS THROUGH THE BUILDING.

SO THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED FOR VARIANCE TO ADJUST THE PROPERTY LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE BUILDING AND MAKING IT TWO SEPARATE LOTS WITH TWO SEPARATE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, EVEN THOUGH IT IS ZONED IN THE C1 DISTRICT, UH, THAT USE WAS, UH, IS A NON-CONFORMING LEGAL USE AT THIS POINT.

SO THEY'RE ASKING TO ADJUST THE PROPERTY LINE TO A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT TO PUT THE PROPERTY LINE IN BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES.

SO EACH OF THOSE HOUSES HAS A LOT ITSELF.

SO IN ESSENCE, YOU WOULD BE, YOU'RE JUST SHIFTING A LOT

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LINE.

UM, AND THE VARIANCE WOULD BE FROM THE FRONT AND REAR SIDE SETBACKS, AND THEN A LOT SIZE VARIANCE.

UM, I THINK THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 7,500 SQUARE FEET, AND SHE'D BE AT ABOUT 3,400 FOR ONE OF THE LOTS.

UM, THAT'S GREAT.

BUT IT'S CREATING A NEW LOT THAT IS NON-CONFORMING.

UM, BUT THE EXISTING LOTS ARE NON-CONFORMING.

UM, AND SO AT THIS POINT, THIS BODY NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, DECIDE IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, OR YOU COULD HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE APPEAR AT THE NEXT BZA MEETING WHERE THEY WILL, UM, MAKE A DETERMINATION.

YEAH.

SO TO CLARIFY WHAT IS BEFORE THIS BODY TONIGHT, WE ARE DECIDING IF A, WE WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, UM, OR, AND THEN IF WE DO, DO WE WANT TO WRITE, UH, A STATEMENT, UM, WHICH WE WOULD ASK STAFF TO, TO DRAFT AND WE COULD REVIEW AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION, UH, OR SEND A REPRESENTATIVE, UM, TO THEIR MEETING, OR I GUESS A COMBINATION OF THE TWO.

UM, BUT THE FIRST QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS IS IF WE WANNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BZA.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, BASED UPON THE ILLUSTRATIONS HERE, WHAT HOUSES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I MEAN, THERE'S A PICTURE OF A HOUSE THAT'S BLUE, AND THEN THERE'S A PICTURE OF TWO HOUSES, OR MAYBE IT'S A HOUSE WITH A SUMMER KITCHEN ATTACHED OR SOMETHING ARE, AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ARE THEY THE ALL ONE HOUSE CURRENTLY? UH, ARE THEY GOING TO BE COMING? I BELIEVE THERE'S A RAY TWO STORY HOUSE.

THERE SHOULD BE A BACK PORCH, AND THEN I THINK THERE'S A BLUE HOUSE THAT'S KIND OF TUCKED BEHIND IT.

OKAY.

SO THE BLUE HOUSE, I HAVE THE PICTURE OF THE BLUE HOUSE THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE GRAY HOUSE.

THEY'RE NOT ATTACHED, THEY'RE NOT ATTACH, ARE I THINK MAYBE 15, 16 FEET TOTAL APART, LIKE AWAY FROM EACH OTHER.

OKAY.

SO ON THIS AERIAL MAP, UM, THEN THE, THE, IT SHOULD SHOW THE PROPERTY LINE IS LITERALLY RUNNING THROUGH OF THE HOUSES RUNNING THROUGH THE SECOND HOUSE.

OKAY.

THROUGH THE, AND WE LOOKED, STAFF KIND OF STARTED DIGGING THROUGH THE DEEDS, AND I TOOK IT BACK TO LIKE THE 1940S.

THAT'S WHERE THE FIRST PLOT CAME FROM.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS BUILT PRIOR TO THE TOWN ADOPTING THE FIRST ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH WAS, I BELIEVE IN LIKE 1968.

SO REALLY , THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

IT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE.

IT'S BEEN A RESIDENTIAL USE.

SO SHE IS CONTINUING ILLEGALLY NONCONFORMING.

SHE'S NOT ASKING TO CHANGE THE USE HERE.

SHE'S JUST ASKING TO MOVE THE PROPERTY LINE TO FIT BETWEEN THE TWO TO FIT THE HOUSES.

YES, THERE WOULD BE TITLE ISSUES WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION.

YEAH.

SO ESSENTIALLY, BUT YOU'RE GONNA BE GOING NO, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT.

I JUST WASN'T HERE FROM THE PICTURES WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

THEY, THEY WERE CONFUSING ME HERE, NONCONFORM A LOT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

OH, I GET THAT.

AND SO IN THE, IN THE FUTURE, IF WITH THE CREATION OF A NONCONFORMING LOT IN THE FUTURE, IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO SELL, THEY COULDN'T, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT THAT, RIGHT.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME DIFFICULTIES WITH.

SURE.

NO, I GET THAT.

OKAY.

NO, THIS IS, YEAH, NO PROBLEM.

SO CURRENTLY ARE BOTH LOTS CONFORMING NO, NEITHER, NEITHER.

LOT IS, IS IS CONFORMING.

SO THE, THE PROPERTY LINE GOES THROUGH THE ONE DWELLING, UNFORTUNATELY.

RIGHT.

BUT THE LOT THEMSELVES DON'T MEET THE LOT SIZE RE REQUIREMENTS.

YEAH, THEY, THEY, THEY BOTH LOTS HAVE ISSUES.

YES.

OKAY.

YEAH.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY JUST CREATING A NEW NON-CONFORMING LOT.

WE WOULD BE BRINGING ONE LOT INTO CONFORMANCE AND MAKING, NO, IT STILL WOULDN'T BE A CONFORMING LOT.

BOTH LOTS WOULD STILL BE NON-CONFORMING.

SO WE, WE WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY MAKING A MORE NON-CONFORMING LOT ON WHAT I THINK THE, THE QUESTION HERE IS BY SHIFTING THIS PROPERTY LINE, ARE WE, ARE WE INCREASING THE LEVEL OF NON-CONFORMANCE OR THE UNCONFORMITY? I WOULD SAY ON, ON THE ONE, IT SEEMS THAT WE CERTAINLY ARE, I, I DON'T WANT TO PREEMPT THE PROCESS.

UM, I, I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THE FACTS, UH, BUT IT APPEARS THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO, IN EFFECT, CREATE,

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WOULD, WOULD, WOULD CREATE THREE NON-CONFORMING LOTS.

TWO, TWO.

WELL, THERE, THE TWO ARE CURRENTLY NON-CONFORMING.

CORRECT.

AND THEY'RE SHIFTING ALONG CORRECT.

IT, IT'S TWO LOTS THAT ARE AT, AT ISSUE HERE.

I I LOOKING AT THE SURVEY, AND MAYBE I'M MISTAKEN, BUT I TOOK IT TO CREATE YET ANOTHER LOT.

OKAY, SO THE, SO YOU END UP WITH THREE.

NO, I THINK I JUST END UP WITH, WITH 2 1, 1 BIGGER AND ONE SMALLER.

I'LL LOOK AT IT, BUT RATHER SIMPLE.

WE'VE GOT TWO NON-CONFORMING LOTS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE PROPERTY LINE RUNS RIGHT THROUGH ONE OF THE HOUSES, LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING RIGHT NOW.

SO IT'S AFFECTING TWO LOTS.

WE GOT A HOUSE SITTING ON TWO LOTS THAT WAS BUILT OR THAT, WHERE THAT WAS BUILT PRIOR TO OUR CODE OF 19 OR OUR, UM, OUR, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE OF 1968.

SO WITH THAT SAID, WE'VE ALREADY GOT TWO CONFORMING LOT.

WE'VE GOT TWO LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING LOTS RIGHT NOW WITH THIS HOUSE SITTING ON A PROPERTY LINE.

OKAY.

ALL WE'RE DOING IS TAKING LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING LINE AND MOVING IT BETWEEN THE HOUSES.

WE'RE NOT IMPROVING ANYTHING WHILE WE'RE IMPROVING ANYTHING FOR AS FAR AS REAL ESTATE GOES.

BUT I DON'T, WE'RE NOT CREATING ANY MORE NON-CONFORMING WHAT'S ALREADY HERE.

IT'S JUST, YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TWO NON-CONFORMING LOTS.

BUT WE'VE ALREADY GOT TWO NON-CONFORMING LOTS.

THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, I MEAN, IS THAT SIMPLE OR IT'S JUST CREATE WHEN NOW WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST MAKING IT EASIER FOR THE, FOR THEM TO SELL THE LOTS.

SO, AND I, AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE THIS HAS HAPPENED, THIS IS NOT JUST THIS PLACE, THIS HAPPENS ON MY STREET TOO, WHERE WE HAVE HOUSES THAT WERE ZONED AFTER, AFTER THEY WERE BUILT.

AND WE'VE GOT SEVERAL HOUSES IN TOWN, UH, THAT ARE RIGHT UP AGAINST PROPERTY LINES THAT ARE LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING ALREADY.

BUT IN THIS CASE, WE JUST GOT ONE RUNNING BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN A HOUSE.

SO THIS, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE SITUATION BECAUSE THOSE OTHER LOTS YOU SPEAK OF, THE OWNER HAS ONE DWELLING AND TWO LOTS, AND THE PROPERTY LINE RUNS THROUGH THE HOUSE.

SO BASICALLY THEY COULD DO A LOT CONSOLIDATION, VACATING THE CENTER PROPERTY LINE, HAVING ONE LOT AND ONE DWELLING.

THIS IS UNIQUE BECAUSE IT HAS TWO DWELLINGS HERE, AND MAJORITY OF THE SECOND DWELLING SETS ON THE LOT WHERE THE ONE, WE HAVE ANOTHER STRUCTURE.

SO THIS IS KIND OF UNIQUE IN THAT SENSE.

OKAY.

SO THERE IS THE OPTION OF JUST VACATING A LOT AND MAKING IT ONE, ONE LOT.

IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE NOW TWO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ON ONE LOT, AND THAT WOULD STILL BE NON-CONFORMING, RIGHT? THAT WOULD DEVELOP OTHER ISSUES.

YEAH.

YES.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

YEAH.

SO I JUST, THERE'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE FIGURING OUT WHICH NON-CONFORMITY WORKS THE BEST.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

ALL RIGHT.

AND, AND THIS PLAN SEEMS TO WORK THE BEST FOR THE OWNERS.

YEAH.

I, I THINK IT'S, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.

THAT'S, DOES PLANNING COMMISSION WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS THEN AND, AND SEND THAT TO BZA? DOES STAFF HAVE ANY REASON OR ANY RESERVATIONS ABOUT IT? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERN? ANYBODY HAVE ANY RESERVATIONS? WELL, I, I I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I FEEL LIKE WE ARE CREATING A VERY SMALL LOT, UM, BY DOING THIS.

AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD REALLY EVER BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH THIS LOT AGAIN.

UH, IF, IF THIS HOUSE WERE TO SIT VACANT FOR TWO YEARS AND THEREFORE THE USE IS GONE, YOU COULD NOT DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH THIS.

WELL, I I DON'T THINK THAT IS GOOD LAND USE.

UM, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF IT.

UH, BUT I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BCA ONE, ONE ITEM TO NOTE ON THE PLAT THAT THE, UH, PROPOSED NEW LINE IS, UH, SITUATED HALFWAY BETWEEN THE HOUSES.

UH, YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER IF YOU WOULD, UH, TO SHIFT THE PROPOSED PROPERTY LINE TO BE EVENLY DISPERSED BETWEEN THE DWELLING ON, UH, KLER STREET

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AND THE COVERED PORCH ON THE HOUSE THAT FACES ON EAST SEVENTH STREET TO EQUAL THAT DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

I THINK I'M MORE CONFUSED.

YOU, THERE'S NO WAY YOU PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN IS THERE IF YOU LOOK ON YOUR PACKAGE AT THE LAST SHEET WITH THE DRAWING.

OKAY.

SO ESSENTIALLY THE HOUSES THEMSELVES HAVE 18 FEET BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES AND THE PROPOSED LINE EQUALLY, WOULD THAT DIVIDES THAT NINE FEET FOR EACH HOUSE.

HOWEVER, THE HOUSE ON EAST SEVENTH STREET HAS A COVERED PORCH ON THE BACK.

OKAY.

WHICH IS THEN ONLY APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

RIGHT.

YOU MAY WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COVERED PORCH ON THE HOUSE ON EAST SEVENTH STREET AND THE DWELLING ON KIBBLER STREET SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THREE FEET, BRING THIS LINE BACK BY THREE FEET.

SO THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE DWELLING ON KIBBLER STREET AND THE REAR PORCH ON THE HOUSE ON EAST SEVENTH STREET IS APPROXIMATELY 11 FEET.

OH, THAT'S 11 FEET.

OKAY.

SO YOU HAD SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT.

OKAY.

SO THIS SPACE RIGHT HERE IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

OKAY.

DOES THAT MAKE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE? I GUESS YOU HAD ASKED YOURSELF THE QUESTION, DO YOU WANT THE PROPERTY LINE IF IT'S PASSED TO BE THREE FOOT OFF THE PORCH, OR DO YOU WANT IT TO BE SIX FOOT OFF THE PORCH? IF IT'S, IF IT'S SIX FEET OFF THE BACK PORCH OF THE SEVENTH STREET HOUSE, HOW FAR AWAY IS IT FROM THE DWELLING ON KIBBLER STREET? SIX FEET, THUS APPROXIMATELY TO WE'RE CUTTING ON EITHER SIDE OF THE LINE, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

OKAY.

SO I GUESS THE, THE FIRST QUESTION THAT WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO BZA.

YOU NEED A MOTION IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO IT.

YEAH, SOME, SOMEBODY CAN MAKE A MOTION.

WELL, I AGREE WITH WHAT JOHN SAID ABOUT SPLITTING THE LINE WHERE THE IT, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, SHOULD BE THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.

WELL, SORRY.

UM, YEAH, I AGREE THAT IF, IF WE DO PASS THIS MO IF WE DO MAKE THIS MOTION, UM, OR IF IT DOES GET PA OR MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO THAT WITH THE PROPERTY LINE TO SPLIT, YOU KNOW, JUST IF WE'RE GONNA MOVE IT ANYWAYS, IT MAY AS WELL, WE MAY AS WELL MAKE, YOU KNOW, UH, MOVE IT FOR WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.

SO PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT IF, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH, I, I AGREE WITH WILL'S CONCERN ABOUT LAND USE AND THAT IT MAY NOT BE THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.

HOWEVER, IF THIS DWELLING WERE TO GET EITHER ONE OF THESE WERE TO GET TORN DOWN, THEN IF SOMETHING WERE TO GET BUILT THERE, IT'D HAVE TO BE WITHIN, IT'D HAVE TO CONFORM THEN, YOU KNOW? AND I THINK THAT IF WHATEVER OWNER, HOPEFULLY IF IT'S, IF IT'S OWNED BY THE SAME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY'LL GO BACK TO, TO, UM, MOVING THE LINE AGAIN OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SO, OR VACATING A LOT AND STARTING FROM SCRATCH.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK.

UM, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT ANYWAYS, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THE VERB, I I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE WORDS THAT YOU JUST SAID, JOHN, BUT I, I AGREE THAT, UH, THAT IF, IF EMOTION IS MADE WE, THAT WE SHOULD INCORPORATE WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE PROPERTY OLYMPIANS.

BUT SO, WELL, IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A MOTION, YOU GOTTA GET HIS WORDS FIRST.

.

SO I, I THINK, DO YOU WANT, DOES THIS BODY WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO BZA? I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BODY DOES WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND WE'RE NOW WORKING ON THE MOTION.

IS THAT, IS THAT KIND OF HOW EVERYBODY

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AND MR. IN WAS GOING TO INTRODUCE YES.

AND YOU CAN MAKE THE DECISION TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION WE CAN DISCUSS HOW YOU WANT TO, LIKE, WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE.

OKAY.

SO WE, SO YOU CAN JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, SAY THAT YOU WANNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND TUNING TODAY.

GOTCHA.

AND AT, AT THE WORK SESSION, COULD STAFF HAVE A, A DOCUMENT DRAFTED FOR REVIEW BASED ON COMMENTS TONIGHT? UH, JUST AS A STARTING POINT? UH, CAUSE I THINK IF, IF TRYING TO COLLECTIVELY WRITE SOMETHING, IT'S GONNA, I WILL HAVE THE, A STAFF REPORT PREPARED FOR YOU WITH THANKS.

UM, YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AGREE TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA OF OUR WORK SESSION ON THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF NOVEMBER, RIGHT? SO WE MOVE AHEAD.

SO WE, WE INTEND TO MOVE AHEAD BEFORE THERE'S A SECOND.

I, I THINK, UM, COULD YOU MAYBE REWORD THE MOTION, UM, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BZA ON THIS MATTER? OKAY.

I MOVED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STATED ITS INTENTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BZA ON THIS MATTER AND PUT IT ON OUR AGENDA FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION.

DID YOU GET, DID YOU GET THAT, CONNIE? OH, OKAY.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, MS. POTTER, CAN WE HAVE A ROYAL CALL VOTE VICE CHAIRMAN GORDON? YES.

COMMISSIONER MARSH? YES.

COMMISSIONER WELLS? YES.

COMMISSIONER INGRAM? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BZA REGARDING APPLICATION NUMBER 22 3 98, UH, TO BE, UH, OUT IN FURTHER DETAIL DURING THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED WORK SESSION.

UH, THAT

[X. COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS]

BRINGS US TO THE COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS, UM, IN WHICH I WILL STATE THAT I AM, UH, RESIGNING FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I WILL NO LONGER BE A TOWN RESIDENT.

UM, I HAVE SUBMITTED MY RESIGNATION TO, UH, CHAIRMAN MERCHANT, AND HE HAS ACCEPTED IT.

UH, SO I GUESS AS CHAIRING THIS MEETING, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO MY, UH, RESIGNATION EFFECTIVE THE END OF THIS MEETING? ALL RIGHT.

YOU HAVE TO, WE ADJOURN , WE WOULD BE SORRY TO SEE YOU GO.

WELL, THANK YOU.

IT, IT HAS BEEN MY PLEASURE TO SERVE WITH ALL OF YOU AND WITH STAFF.

UM, I'VE ENJOYED MY TIME ON THE PLANNING MISSION FOR SURE.

UH, SO NOW WE'LL, UH, WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE PLANNING

[XI. PLANNING DIRECTOR REPORT]

DIRECTOR FOR, UH, HER REPORT.

RIGHT? AS YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR REPORT THIS MONTH, WE HAVE, UM, INPUT INTO THE SYSTEM, 27 ZONING PERMITS.

WE'VE HAD 36 DUE NEW CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES, 11 LAND USE APPLICATIONS, FIVE SIGNED PERMITS, AND 17 BUSINESS LICENSE FOR THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.

UM, WE ARE STILL, UH, UNDERGOING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, EDITS.

SO I HAVE NOW RECEIVED THE SECOND ITERATION OF THE, I GUESS THE, THE NEXT DRAFT.

UM, AND YOU SHOULD BE ANTICIPATING A COMPLETED FINAL DRAFT, UM, BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK.

SO WE'LL BE THE 27TH OR 28TH, UM, OF OCTOBER.

AND THEN, UM, WE ALSO HAVE AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION ON NOVEMBER THE SECOND AT SIX 15, WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING AT TOWN HALL WITH THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION TO DISCUSS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DRAFT AND TO DISCUSS TRANSPORTATION ISSUES AND KIND OF PLANNING AT THE, UM, THE BORDERS OF THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.

AND TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WHAT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES KIND OF LINES UP WITH WHAT THE COUNTY'S GOALS ARE.

UM, AND I'M ANTICIPATING THAT WE WILL JUST BE DISCUSSING THIS FROM LIKE SIX 15 TO 7 45, CUZ THERE WILL BE OTHER

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BUSINESS FOR US TO, UM, ATTEND TO, UM, NOVEMBER 2ND FROM LIKE SIX 15 TO 7 45.

THAT'LL BE THE JOINT MEETING.

SO THAT WILL BE ADVERTISED ON OUR WEBSITE, THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE AND STAFF IS PREPARING AN AGENDA FOR THAT MEETING.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU.

UM, BRINGS US TO THE END OF THE AGENDA.

IS THERE A MOTION? WELL, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I JUST WANNA SAY, UH, WILL, THANKS FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, HELPING ME OUT.

I'VE LEARNED A LOT, MAN.

SERIOUSLY, UH, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF ORDINANCES OR, YOU KNOW, RIGHT ON FIRE, MAN.

AND, UH, IT'S BEEN GOOD WORKING WITH YOU.

I WISH YOU THE BEST AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU, MAN.

THANK YOU.

WE, UH, WE STILL NEED A MOTION THOUGH.

ALL RIGHT.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO WE ADJOURN.

SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADJOURNING, SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

MEETING IS ADJOURNED.