* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE JOINT [00:00:01] MEETING BETWEEN FRONT OIL ED AND [Town Council & Front Royal Economic Development Authority Joint Meeting on October 17, 2022.] TOWN COUNCIL. UH, UP FIRST WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. UH, MAYOR HOLLOWAY HERE. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR CORO. HERE. COUNCILMAN GILLESPIE? HERE. COUNCILMAN JACKSON? HERE. COUNCILWOMAN MORRIS? HERE. COUNCILMAN ROGERS? HERE. COUNCILWOMAN THOMPSON HERE. AND FOR FRIDA? CHAIRMAN NOVAK. HERE. VICE CHAIRMAN. MARK TAP SACK HERE. DIRECTOR VA. HERE. DIRECTOR CROWELL. HERE. DIRECTOR GANEY. HERE. DIRECTOR RUSHING ABSENT. AND DIRECTOR STANKA WOODS IS ABSENT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. UP FIRST, UH, DISCUSSION PERTAINING TO THE DIRECTION OF SUPPORT OF FORMAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. I THINK, UH, KATHLEEN WANTED TO GET UP NEWS. SURE. CAN KIND OF KICK THINGS OFF. I GUESS JUST TO KIND OF, UM, PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF FROM THE WORK SESSION THE OTHER DAY. UM, REALLY, UM, WHAT STAFF IS KIND OF REQUESTING IS, UH, COUNCIL CONSENSUS ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SETUP AND THE, UH, SUPPORT FOR THE TOWN'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE TOWN WILL ALWAYS HAVE A SEAT AT, AT THE TABLE IN REGARDS TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES, AND OF COURSE IN THE CORRIDOR. UM, DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT DOES, THE TOWN DOES PROVIDE, UM, ELECTRIC WATER AND SEWER UTILITIES. UM, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, TOWN STAFF DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE, UH, VIRGINIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP AND OTHERS, AS YOU KNOW, AS PROJECTS COME THE TOWN'S WAY. UM, THE CURRENT CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE KIND OF GONE OVER, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CURRENT SETUP OF THE TOWN'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY INCLUDES THE SETUP IS, IS CURRENTLY INCOMPLETE. UH, THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE ED BYLAWS AND THE ENABLING LEGISLATION FOUND IN THE TOWN CODE. UM, AND OF COURSE, THE STAFF SUPPORT ISSUE. UM, STAFF IS CURRENTLY PRO PROVIDING SUPPORT FOR SIX BOARDS AND CONDITIONS IN ADDITION TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. THIS INCLUDES PREPARING THE AGENDA PACKETS, ADVERTISEMENTS, MEETINGS, AND VIDEOING EACH MEETING IN ADDITION TO THE WORK PRODUCTS THAT, YOU KNOW, RESULT FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM THE VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. UM, WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE JOINING ME THIS EVENING. COURSES DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY GEORGE SONNET AND FINANCE DIRECTOR, UM, BJ WILSON. SO WITH THAT STAFF WOULD HAPPILY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA START OFF WITH, I, I TRIED TO WRITE ALL THESE DOWN THE OTHER NIGHT, BUT NOW I'M GOING, IT WOULD BE EASY FOR ME TO ASK NOW, WHAT ARE THE SIX BOARDS? I KNOW PC, I KNOW THE BAR, I KNOW THE B, Z, UH, WHAT ELSE? ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW. THAT'S THE BAR. YEAH, THAT'S THE BAR, RIGHT? THAT'S THE BAR, YEAH. TOURISM, I'M SORRY. TOURISM. TOURISM. SO STAFF. THAT'S LIZZIE. YEAH. OH, OKAY. SO, OKAY. GOTCHA. YES, LIZZIE GIVES THAT, BUT SHE DOESN'T, SHE'S NOT DOING ANY THAT ADVERTISEMENTS DAC SAM'S THAT FIVE'S FIVE. AND THEN COUNCIL AND INCLUDING COUNSEL SIX. BOARD AND COMMISSIONERS WILL, IT DON'T MEET VERY OFTEN. YEAH, DON'T MEET ME VERY OFTEN. TOURISM IS NOT A, AND CAN YOU LIST THOSE WORK OBLIGATIONS AGAIN? SO WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, RECORDINGS, RIGHT? YOU SAID SURE. SETTING UP THE RECORDING, WHICH IS JUST, WE'RE COMING IN AND PUSHING A FEW BUTTONS. YEAH. THEN WE'VE GOT, UM, AGENDA PACKETS. AND WHO WAS DOING THE AGENDA PACKETS BEFORE? WAS THERE AN AGENDA PACKET FOR THIS GROUP? FOR THE, UH, FOR FREEDOM? IT WOULD BE, I BELIEVE. YEAH. TINA, YOU DO THE AGENDA PACKETS FOR ALL BOARDS OR NO? NO, I WAS DOING 'EM FOR FREEDA COUNCIL. OKAY. AND OBVIOUSLY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT COVERS BAR BZA AND PLANNING COMMISSION. OKAY. SO, SO THE ONLY ONE AND WHAT'S EAC OTHER, IS THERE AN AGENDA FOR THAT? I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT, IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING. I'M GUESSING PUBLIC PUBLIC WORKS TAKES CARE OF THE AGENDA MINUTES FOR THOSE ALL. I THINK SO. I DON'T THINK SO. YEAH, I THINK THEY JUST MEET AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, WE HAVE SOMEBODY, A SECRETARY APPOINT. SO YOU SAID I WANTED TO GET THE LIST THAT YOU, YOU SAID THERE WAS RECORDING AGENDA PACKET. WHERE ON THE OR FROM YESTERDAY? AGENDA PACKET. HOLD ON. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. OH, OKAY, MAMA. I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST THE BYLAWS THAT WERE ATTACHED AND IT'S IN HERE TOO. CURIOSITY. HOLD ON. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. THAT'S JUST GRANT DOING THAT BUSINESS. SO POSTING IT ON WHAT WEBSITE? YEAH. GOTCHA. OKAY. SO AGENDA PACKETS, ADVERTISEMENTS, MINUTES. WHO WAS CURRENTLY DOING THE MINUTES? ANYBODY FOR? UM, YES, SPECIFICALLY TO FRIDA WAS? YEAH, TINA WAS. TINA WAS. OKAY. SO TINA WAS TAKING CARE OF AGENDA PACKETS IN MINUTES. GRANT WAS DOING THE VIDEO. AND THEN WHAT ARE THE RELATED WORK PRODUCTS THAT HAVE BEEN GENERATED SO [00:05:01] FAR BY FRIDA THAT SOMEBODY ELSE HAS HAD TO HANDLE? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY. THAT'S NO PROBLEM. YEAH. NOT TINA. ANYBODY? WELL, I NEED SOME AGENDAS. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS LIKE REPORTS OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT WERE GOING ON. WELL, WE DID HAVE A TOWN MANAGER THAT WAS ACTING AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, WHICH WAS TAKING AWAY FROM THE TOWN MANAGEMENT POSITION GREATLY FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF WELL, YEAH, WITH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY HE WAS DOING AS DIRECTOR, TO BE HONEST. LIKE SITTING IN THE MEETINGS. THAT'S ALL I GOT. AND THE BYLAWS UNDER THE BYLAW TOOK A LOT. THE BYLAW WORK TOOK QUITE A BIT OF TIME. THAT AND FREEDOM. SO IT'S REALLY SEVEN IF YOU INCLUDE COUNCIL AND BRIA. WAIT, HOW DID YOU GET SEVEN? I COUNSEL, BZA, BAR, PC, TOURISM, EAC. WHICH ONE DID I MISS? B, A AR, BZA TYPE OF THOSE. YEAH. WE HAVE B A AR AND PLANNING COMMISSION. EAC COUNCIL. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. I HAVE, OH, ADD FRI. THERE'S SEVEN. SEVEN. WE LOST FREEDOM. WOULD MAKE SEVEN. AND TINA, CAN I GET SOME INPUT FROM YOU ON THIS TOO, SINCE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HANDLED TWO OF THE ITEMS ON THAT LIST THAT WAS MENTIONED. IT WAS THE AGENDA PACKETS IN THE MINUTES. UM, HOW LONG WERE THE MEETINGS GENERALLY AT THE HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF, OR USUALLY AN HOUR? ABOUT AN HOUR. I WOULD SAY AN AVERAGE. AND THEN THE AGENDA PACKETS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE WERE PUT TOGETHER. I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN ONE FOR, USUALLY WORKED WITH THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR ON THOSE. OKAY. AND WERE THOSE VERY LONG OR TEDIOUS OR WAS IT JUST MOSTLY ASSEMBLING PAPERWORK? I DON'T KNOW. ASSEMBLING PAPERWORK SIMILAR TO WHAT I DO FOR YOU ALL. WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW YOU PUT TOGETHER ALL OF OUR STUFF. WELL, YOU DO A COME SHEET. YEAH. I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BACKUP INFORMATION DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT IS. MM-HMM. TWICE A MONTH. UM, WE HAVE, I MEAN, WE'RE SCHEDULED TO MEET ONE. YOU PUT 'EM ALL TOGETHER? YEAH. IN ONE. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD TO DO ANY INDIVIDUAL RESEARCH OUT THERE FOR THEM. YEAH, USUALLY THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR DOES. OKAY. SO IT'S JUST COMPILING, I'M JUST COMPILING IT AND GETTING IT OUT. YEAH. OKAY. I WAS TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF TIMEFRAMES AND, AND IF IT WAS TEDIOUS AND YOU'RE DOING RESEARCH OR GROUNDWORK OR ANYTHING IN THE BEGINNING, THE BYLAWS WERE TEDIOUS? OH YEAH. THAT FOR SURE. THAT TOOK, AND I, I DID A LOT OF THAT ONCE I GOT THEIR INPUT AND PUT IT INTO A BYLAWS FORM. RIGHT. SO YEAH, THAT WAS TEDIOUS, BUT THAT'S DONE. OKAY. UM, AND THEN THE TOWN CODE UPDATE ALSO, I WOULD PUT THE COMMENTS TOGETHER AND TOGETHER. YEAH. I IMAGINE TIME INTENSE PART. AND YOU GUYS ARE MEETING TWICE A MONTH OR ONCE A MONTH? A MONTH. ONCE A MONTH TO MEET. ONCE A MONTH. BUT SOMETIMES YOU GOTTA MEET MORE LIKE WE DO TOO. RIGHT? I FELT LIKE IN THE BEGINNING Y'ALL WERE SCHEDULED TO MEET TWICE A MONTH THOUGH. WE HAD ONE REGULAR MEETING AND THEN SOME WE HAD, UH, I MEAN WE GATHERING STAY THE ORGANIZATION UP. I WASN'T MEET MORE FREQUENTLY. YEAH. I WASN'T COMPLAINING. I WAS JUST TRYING TO NO, NO, NO. I'M JUST SAYING IT POPS UP ON OUR PHONE. YEAH. WE'RE, THAT'S I THINK THE BYLAWS, UH, SAY ONCE A MONTH I THINK. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT MEETING IS SCHEDULED DURING TINA'S LUNCH HOUR. DURING LUNCH HOUR. THE MEETINGS AT 1230. IS IT 12? 12? THERE'S THE MEETING COULD BE MOVED TO ANY TIME, ANYTIME, RIGHT? WELL, NOT ALMOST, ALMOST ANYTIME. OKAY. BUT I MEAN, WE, WE SCHEDULED THE MEETING BASED ON, UH, THE AVAILABILITY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. OKAY. YEP. WE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS DINE HIS LUNCH HOUR. SORRY TINA. I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD SET LUNCH HOURS. SO I HAVE A NOTEBOOK. WELL, I'M JUST SAYING AT LUNCH TIME YEAH. CONSIDERATION. IT WAS ALSO AN ADDED RESPONSIBILITY. YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. BUT I'M BUT YOU STILL GOT A, I'M NOT, THIS ISN'T PLACED ON TINA'S PLATE THAT TINA'S NOT COMPENSATED FOR. WELL, NO, SHE SAID LUNCH THOSE DAYS, CORRECT. YEAH. SO THAT WAS TIME. WE HAVE SPECIAL MEETINGS. STAFF IS COMING IN TO SUPPORT THESE. RIGHT. NO, I GET IT. BUT JUST, I'M TRYING NOT TO DIMINISH THE WORK THAT STAFF IS DOING. NO, I'M NOT DIMINISHING THE WORK, BUT I'M SAYING THAT'S DURING THE COURSE OF A NORMAL EIGHT TO FIVE, NINE TO FIVE WORK DAY. WHEREAS THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THAT. SHE STILL GOT HER LUNCH BREAK. IT JUST WASN'T AT NEED. THE SPECIFIC TIME THAT SHE USUALLY TAKES IT. SO IT WASN'T SAYING THAT SHE WAS MY TIME ON COUNSEL, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF TINA WAS AWARE THAT SHE WAS GOING TO BECOME THAT. WELL PROBABLY BOARD FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF NO, THAT'S WHY I'M TALKING TO TINA IN GETTING INPUT INTO HOW, WHAT THESE THINGS ARE LIKE IF YOU'RE BEING STARVED. I'M JUST SAYING IT CHEAT TINA'S LAP JUST BECAUSE SHE'S HERE. OKAY. NO, I GET IT'S THIS THIS'S ONE. SO THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE ON HERE, WE JUST, I THOUGHT MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT EACH OF THE CONCERNS AND SEE IF THERE'S A RESOLUTION. IF THERE'S NO RESOLUTION, AND THEN GO TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT AREN'T ON THE LIST THAT ARE CONCERNS. WELL, E WOULD [00:10:01] HAVE TO BE ESTABLISHED BY THE TOWN, CORRECT. KATHY, SOMEBODY, I'M SORRY. THE EIN WOULD HAVE TO BE ESTABLISHED BY THE TOWN. IS THAT CORRECT? THE FEDERAL ID FOR, FOR FRIDA? LIKE WHO WOULD DO THAT? IT WOULDN'T BE AN INDIVIDUAL AND FRIDA THOUGH, CORRECT? IT WOULD BE, IT'S ACTUALLY OUR, OUR AUDITOR RECOMMENDED WE HIRE A FACILITATOR TO STAND UP FREEDOM. WHAT WAS THE COST OF THAT ROUGH ESTIMATE? THIS WAS BEFORE THE BYLAWS AND EVERYTHING WAS DONE WITH $70,000 A YEAR OR WHAT? SO WAS SET IT UP AND THAT WAS 70,000. THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE BUDGET. THAT'S IN THE BUDGET. THAT WAS ACTUALLY, I'M SO CONFUSED IN THE BUDGET FOR LAST YEAR AND IT GOT MOVED FORWARD. I'M SO CONFUSED. I REALLY AM. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A SMART OPINION. THAT'S FINE. SO I KNOW THAT YOU CAN GO ON AND GET AN E I IN IN LIKE FIVE MINUTES. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE $70,000 IS DOING. SETTING UP THE BYLAWS, UNDERSTANDING, UH, SETTING UP BUDGET PROCESS IS SETTING UP. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE GAMUT SET UP. OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU MEANT JUST TO ESTABLISH, I WAS LIKE, I, I DUNNO. THE FIRST, THE COUNCIL, FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD $70,000. YOU HAD THIS CONVERSATION A MONTH. THEN WHY, WHY AM I NOT THE ONLY PERSON ASKING THE QUESTION ABOUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT? BECAUSE I ASKED THE DOLLAR AMOUNT QUESTION TO REITERATE IT TO YOU. BECAUSE THE, THE CONCERN HERE IS THE WAY THAT THE BYLAWS WERE WRITTEN AFTER THE FACILITATOR WAS GOTTEN A QUOTE FROM, THERE'S A LEGALITY ISSUE IF I'M NOT MISUNDERSTANDING FOR THE TOWN TO SET IT UP. BECAUSE THE ED IS ITS OWN ENTITY. RIGHT. SO THE STAFF SUPPORT IS A LEGALITY QUESTION. CORRECT. UH, SUPPORT. WELL, IT MAY TAKE 10 MINUTES. IT'S A LEGAL CONCERN. NO, I UNDERSTAND. I NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ALL WAS ENCOMPASSED UNDER THIS. AND B, THEY PERFECTLY ANSWERED THAT FOR ME, WHICH WAS EXPLAINED THAT THEY WOULD SET UP ALL SORTS OF INTERNAL PROCESSES. IT WAS DONE, CORRECT? YES SIR. BEFORE WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT PROCESS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, CAN WE GET A CONSENSUS FROM THE TOWN COUNCIL WHETHER OR NOT YOU EVEN WANT TO HAVE FREEDOM? CAUSE I'M NOT REALLY CLEAR ON THAT. I DO. I THINK THERE'S, UH, WELL, I KNEW AT LEAST THREE OF US KNOW YOU CAN'T TAKE VOTE NOW, BUT I THINK YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GO AROUND AND GIVE CONSENSUS. MR. MAYOR, NEW GUY ON THE BLOCK. I'VE TRIED TO DO MY HOMEWORK. I'M FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE PROCESS THAT'S, UH, BEEN GOING ON. CAN YOU PROVIDE TO ME AND MAYBE OTHERS THE KEY REASONS WHY FRIDA IS UNDER DISCUSSION? KEY REASONS RIGHT NOW? UNDER DISCUSSION OR IN EXISTENCE? YEAH. UH, WHY WE'RE HERE NOW? MAYBE BOTH. WHY? I'M SORRY. MAYBE BOTH. SHE ASKED, SHE ASKED WHY COULDNT EXIST SINCE AND WHY IT'S UNDER DISCUSSION. I NEED TO SUMMARIZE AND WE YEAH. CAUSE IT PREDATES MY TIME TOO. I'M SORRY. IT PREDATES MY TIME ON COUNCIL TWO. YES. SO IT GOT STOOD UP, BUT IT'S NOT MOVING ABSOLUT. BUT, BUT WHAT ARE THE KEY REASONS WHY FRIDA IS UNDER CONSIDERATION? I THINK FOR ONE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN OUR TOWN TO CONCENTRATE SOLELY ON OUR TOWN, UH, TO HELP, UH, ALSO WITH A LOT OF THIS, UH, THESE, THE LA DATA BUILDINGS AND STUFF, UH, UH, PROPERTY, UH, UM, UM, PURCHASES, UH, JUST TRYING TO GET 'EM ROLLING, TRYING TO GET 'EM FUNDED TO UH, GET OUT ON THEIR OWN. UM, SO THEY CAN BRING THINGS TO THE TOWN TO HELP. I KNOW WHEN WE WERE, I'M SORRY, YOU HAVE SOMETHING HERE TO HELP EXISTING BUSINESSES? YEAH. SAY AGAIN? TO HELP EXISTING BUSINESSES. YEAH. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WITH FRIDA THAT I WANTED TO SEE WHEN I SUPPORTED IT AS A CONSTITUENT OUTSIDE AND CAME AND SPOKE IN FAVOR OF IT. YES. AND I STILL AM IN FAVOR OF, IS BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY FROM AN AREA VIEW, YEAH. THE MAJORITY OF ALL OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OVER THE LAST 18 YEARS REALLY HAS BEEN IN THE COUNTY LIMITS. OKAY. SO THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY SUBSTANTIAL OR SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE TOWN FRONT ROYAL TOWN LIMITS. OKAY. AND PERSONALLY FOR ME, I JUST FELT LIKE THERE WAS A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SAYING ED AT ALL RIGHT NOW HAS A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION WITH IT. AND SO I THINK THE FUTURE FOR FRONT ROYAL IS REALLY BRIGHT, YOU'RE SAYING? AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MOVE FRONT ROYAL, FORWARD THE FRONT ROYAL, AND DEVELOP IT IN A SUSTAINABLE WAY. THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY, UH, HAS A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION. WELL, EDA IN GENERAL RIGHT NOW IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY, YES. OKAY. BUT, UM, FOR ME IT'S THE WARREN COUNTY ED THAT HAS THE NEGATIVE COUNT, CORRECT? YEAH. WELL, IT'S, YEAH. IT'S F FR W C. YEAH. SO FOR THE FRONT ROYAL ED, IT WAS JUST TO, EVEN WITH THE EXISTING ED, THE FORMER ED THAT WE WERE A PART OF FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY ED, WITH THAT IN EXISTENCE, MOST OF THE ECONOMIC [00:15:01] DEVELOPMENT STILL WASN'T IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WELL, IT DOES IN A WAY IT MAKES SENSE. BUT DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT A TOWN'S DEVELOPMENT AND THE COUNTY'S DEVELOPMENT AND THE AVAILABLE ACREAGE, ACREAGE IN THE TOWN VERSUS COUNTY, OF COURSE THERE'S GONNA BE MUCH MORE. OKAY. I WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE TABLE JUST TO BEGIN TO HELP ME BECAUSE I REALLY HAVEN'T HEARD JUST YET A REAL VALID REASON. CAN, CAN YOU TELL ME IF, WHEN IS THE LAST TIME THE COUNTY HAS SAT DOWN WITH COUNSEL TO TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT ED? HAS THERE BEEN, AND I, AGAIN, I'M JUST WONDERING. IT'S ON MEETINGS, TO BE HONEST. YEAH. THEY TALKED TO US ABOUT THE LAWSUIT, , BESIDES THE LAW. WE HAD DISCUSSIONS A WHILE BACK ABOUT SOMETHING, BUT WE CAN'T DISCUSS THAT THAT TABLE OKAY. IS COMPLETELY SHUT. AND I'M NOT GOING TO, I'M NOT GONNA LIE THAT. OKAY. OKAY. THAT WHOLE THING THAT WENT DOWN, THE ED LOOKS AT US LIKE, OH, WE OWE MONEY AND WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH, WITH EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. OKAY. UM, IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE TOWN TO GET ITS OWN SEPARATE ECONOMIC ENGINE, UM, DIFFERENT ECONOMIC MEANS TOO. HOLD, PULL UP. LET HIM PLEASE. THE, THE CURRENT ED. OKAY. THEY COULD NOT, RIGHT NOW, AS IT'S DANCE, THEY CANNOT SECURE ANY FUNDING. THEY'RE BROKE. OKAY. THEY'RE BROKE AND, AND A WAY OUT. I DON'T SEE IT. I STILL DON'T SEE IT. OKAY. I, I DON'T KNOW WHY THE COUNTY IS PROPPING THEM UP. I, I DON'T, I I, FOR THE YEARS FOR THE LIFE, MARY, I APPRECIATE YEAH, I APPRECIATE FOR THE LIFE COMMENTS. I STILL CANNOT, CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY OUR TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING OVER A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO PROP UP AN ED THAT'S TOTALLY BANKRUPT. THAT'S ALL STUFF, PERIOD. YEP. SO WHAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR, FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT RULE, I DON'T WORK FOR THE COUNTY. OKAY. I WORK FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, AND IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO FACE FORWARD AND GO FORWARD WITH THIS. THAT RIGHT THERE, I KNOW IT'S THERE. THE 20 SOME MILLION DOLLARS. I'M P****D OFF ABOUT IT TOO. JUST, JUST AS MUCH AS ANY OTHER CITIZEN IN THIS TOWN. YEAH. BUT WE GOTTA LOOK FORWARD. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE ED WAS TO DO. OKAY. THIS, THE, THIS, THIS CURRENT EA THIS CURRENT EDA. THANK YOU. SO THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS COUNCIL HAS LEGITIMATELY TRIED TO PUT ALL OF THE STOPS IN PLACE THAT WERE, THIS IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN. THESE GUYS HERE, I TRUST ALL THESE GUYS AND THEY WERE HANDPICKED. EVERY ONE OF 'EM ARE ARE AMAZING. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD, THIS IS WHAT I WANNA SEE RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU THAT THAT WAS ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS. LIKE I SAID, I'M COMING IN HERE. I'VE READ THE PRESS. YES SIR. I'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK FROM THE OUTSIDE, BUT NOT COUNCIL MEMBERS. YES SIR. WHERE I'M AT NOW IS I WANT TO HEAR FROM MY BROTHER AND SISTER COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THIS ISSUE. WHY RITA? FROM YOUR MOUTHS, AND IS THERE ANY COMMUNICATION WITH COUNTY? AND YOU'VE ANSWERED, WELL SKIP THE OLD, I'LL WORRY ABOUT THE LAWSUIT. THE ED DON'T EVEN KNOW THEIR OWN BOOKS. THEY DON'T. THEY COME TO BJ. OKAY. BJ HAS WENT OVER THERE AND SPENT HOURS WITH THEM. OKAY. SO WE TALKED ABOUT OUR TOWN SUPPORT EARLIER, AND I GOT FRUSTRATED. BJ PROVIDED THEM WITH ALL THE NUMBERS FOR THE LAWSUIT. THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THEIR BJ, THEY COME TO US, THE TOWNS FINANCE DIRECTOR. AND THEN I COULD PROVIDE SOME HOW WE'RE HERE NOW. SO, GARY, YOU DID AN AWESOME JOB EXPLAINING THAT. LIKE I WAS, GARY EXPLAINED JOB IS THE BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN THAT. PASSIONATE, YOU KNOW, TELL THAT. AND YOU CAN ASK RICK, I COME TO RICK YEAR, TWO YEARS AGO, DID RICK, WE NEED TO DO THIS. RICK, RICK WAS HELD DEAD SIN AGAINST IT. HE TOLD ME WAS EVERYTHING BUT PHRASING . SO WE GOT, WE WE'RE CIRCLING BACK AROUND, RIGHT? AND IT'S BACK ON THE TABLE AGAIN. BECAUSE WHEN THE TOWN MANAGER WAS LET GO, HE HAD BEEN DOING WORK ALONG WITH THIS NEW FRIDA AND THINGS. AND THEN AFTER HE WAS GONE, THEN THERE WAS A DISCOVERY OF SORTS THAT THE THINGS OUTLINED ON THIS PAGE WEREN'T COMPLETED. RIGHT. COUNCIL. SO THEN, AND WE, WE WEREN'T AWARE OF THESE THINGS. THESE [00:20:01] GUYS WEREN'T AWARE OF THESE THINGS. UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S BACK HERE TONIGHT. CAUSE I'M SURE YOU'RE PROBABLY LIKE, WELL YOU GOT A GOOD CASE, GARY. WHY ARE WE BACK HERE TONIGHT GETTING A CONSENSUS IF, IF WE STILL WANT THIS GROUP? AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. NOW IT'S COME BACK TO THESE LEGAL THINGS. HOW DO WE MAKE THIS ALL LEGIT? HOW DO WE GET THEM THE SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED AND DO IT EFFICIENTLY? RIGHT. AND NOT SPEND ALL OF THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE FOR FRIDA IN JUST STAYING, STAYING THEM UP. LIKE WE WANNA SAY THAT I'M CORRECTLY, DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO GO AND MOVE FORWARD. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE HOLDING THEM HOSTAGE. LIKE WE DID THE TOURISM COMMITTEE. WE'RE WE, IF THERE WAS A MISREPRESENTATION, AND I'M NOT STAFF. I'M NOT. AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE, RIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING. BUT RIGHT NOW, UNTIL WE GET THESE THINGS COVERED, WE'VE BEEN HOLDING THEM HOSTAGE. THEY HAVEN'T KNOWN WHETHER THEY CAN EAT, NOT ME. THEY DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S STILL IN EXISTENCE. NOT IN EXISTENCE. NOT, NOT BY THIS, NOT BY THIS STAFF. NO, NOT THAT MANAGER. THERE WAS A MISREPRESENT. I SAID, I SAID THAT. I SAID THAT. I SAID THAT WHEN THE TOWN MANAGER LEFT, THERE WAS SOMEBODY, THAT'S WHEN WE DISCUSSED, I SAID MISREPRESENTATION BY STAFF. STAFF. SHE DID NOT MEAN THIS CURRENT STAFF. SO WE'RE BEING BROUGHT UP TO SPEED AS A COUNCIL NOW ON THINGS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRIVY TO WHEN I CAME ON A YEAR AGO. SO SKIP, I JUST WANNA SAY YES MA'AM. YOU SAID YOU'VE GOTTEN SOME OUTSIDE FEEDBACK AND SO, YOU KNOW, SO OBVIOUSLY DID WE, WHEN THIS WAS ALL COMING AROUND, AND THIS MIGHT BE GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC TO EVEN HEAR US TALK ABOUT WHY ITS, WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. I THINK THIS IS VERY GOOD. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SO I'M, SO MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD QUESTION. UM, I JUST WANTED SAY TOO, LIKE ORIGINALLY THERE WERE SEVERAL OF US THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO WORK WITH, I CALL IT THE WEDA CUZ THAT'S MORGAN COUNTY. BUT ANYWAY, WOULD ALL THE, YEAH. WHATEVER OLD DE EDIA, YOU KNOW, BUT WHEN IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE THERE WERE LIENS AND ALL THIS STUFF, WE WERE LIKE, WHAT CAN, WHAT WILL THEY BE ABLE TO DO ANYWAY? KIND OF FELT LIKE A FIRESIDE, YOU KNOW, FIRE SALE, GETTING RID OF EVERYTHING. SO ANYWAY, AS GARY SAID, WE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO A POINT WHERE WE WERE LIKE, WELL WE CAN'T REALLY WAIT UNTIL EVERYBODY FIGURES OUT WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE. AND I THINK THEY HAVE GREAT STUFF GOING ON RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, I THINK THAT THEY'VE GOT SOMEBODY FROM THE COUNTY. I'M SAYING JOE PETTY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'RE WORKING HARD TOO. AND THAT'S GONNA BENEFIT OUR CITIZENS AS WELL. CUZ FRONT ROYAL CITIZENS ARE ALSO WARREN COUNTY CITIZENS. RIGHT. NOT ALL WARREN COUNTY ARE FRONT ROYAL, BUT NOT ROYAL ARE WARREN COUNTY. SO, UH, I'M NOT BAGGING ON WHAT WHAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE NOW, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE NOW WEREN'T THERE THEN. MOST OF 'EM ARE NEW. YES. SO THEY'RE KIND OF MUCH LIKE US. WE'RE MUCH LIKE YOU. YOU'RE COMING IN AFTER DECISIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN BEEN MADE. SO, UM, BUT THESE THREE CONCERNS WERE MAJOR CONCERNS. THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, AND THERE WERE THINGS THAT ARE STILL IN LIMBO IS WHAT ABOUT AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR? DO WE NEED ONE? ARE WE GONNA HAVE ONE? WE GONNA GET ONE? OR DO WE, IS THERE ONE? CAUSE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE OLD ED DIDN'T HAVE A STAFF MEMBER THAT RAN THEM UNTIL RECENTLY BEFORE. IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, WAS IT WAS AND THEN LEGAL. THAT WAS AN ISSUE THAT WE HAD BEFORE. LIKE WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING IN THE BYLAWS, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GONNA, UH, PROVIDE THEM LEGAL ADVICE, THINGS LIKE THAT. YEAH. UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS CONCERN THAT IF IT WAS OUR STAFF WAS THERE A CONFLICT, THERE WAS ALL THESE QUESTIONS. AND THEN OF COURSE, I THINK REALLY THE BIGGEST ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, OR CERTAINLY IS FOR ME, AND I'VE WORRIED ABOUT IT FOR SEVERAL DAYS NOW, COMING TO THIS MEETING AS A BUDGET. BECAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER THING IS, AS AMBER SAID, YOU CREATE IT, YOU KNOW, WE CREATED IT, BUT WITHOUT ANY MONEY. ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT. WHAT CAN, FOR ME ANYWAY, THAT'S A FOLLOW ON FOR LATER DISCUSSION. RIGHT, EXACTLY. BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE GOT HERE TONIGHT. THAT'S KINDA WHAT WE HERE TONIGHT. YEAH. SO DURING OUR BUDGET MEETINGS THIS YEAR, WE DECIDED THAT WE WERE GONNA FUND FRIDA, BUT WE COULDN'T FUND FRIDA. WE FOUND OUT WE WERE BRIEFED. OH, THEY DON'T HAVE A TAX ID. SO WHAT'S HAPPENED IS WE ALL SUPPORT IT, RIGHT? WE ALL ARE STILL IN SUPPORT OF IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT IT'S INITIALLY LAUNCHED LEGALLY AND EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY. AND I THINK, GARY, WHAT I MUMBLED WHEN GARY WAS TALKING, AND I THINK HE'LL BACK THIS UP WHEN HE SAID AN ECONOMIC ENGINE IN THE TOWN, WE ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEEDS THAN THE COUNTY. SO WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ACREAGE, I'M WELL AWARE OF THAT, BUT ALSO FROM A STANDPOINT OF THERE'S JUST DIFFERENT NEEDS IN THE TOWN THAN THE COUNTY. SO IT ALSO MADE SENSE TO HAVE FREE, BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS. OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LOOKS DIFFERENT. MM-HMM. [00:25:01] . SO YOU FEEL CASE KIT. SO I'M WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE ON, GARY WANTS TO ADD MORE THAN THAT. SO PLEASE. SO, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THE BYLAWS, I THOUGHT THAT WAS BEING TAKEN CARE OF. I THINK ALL OF US DID. THAT'S, WE ALL THOUGHT, WE ALL THOUGHT MOST OF THIS WAS, I I'M JUST THROWING IT AROUND. GEORGE, YOU THE LEGALESE HERE IN THE ROOM. WHAT DO WE NEED TO GET THIS GOING? WELL, UH, LET ME TOUCH ON, LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT AND TOUCH ON A LEGAL PART OF THE FORMATION OF FRIDA. UH, IT REQUIRED SPECIAL LEGISLATION TO GO THROUGH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY BECAUSE NORMALLY, UH, TOWNS LOCATED IN COUNTIES THAT HAVE AN ED CANNOT FORM THEIR OWN. SO SAY THAT AGAIN. TOWNS TOWNS LOCATED WITHIN A, A COUNTY THAT HAS AN ED. YES. CANNOT HAVE THEIR OWN. OKAY. WE GOT AN ED AND THAT REQUIRED SPECIAL LEGISLATION. WE GOT IT. WE GOT IT. AND, AND THAT, THAT WAS A SPINOFF FROM WHAT WAS HAPPENING AT THE WARREN COUNTY ED. THAT THAT'S WHY THAT WENT THROUGH. OKAY. YEAH. AS FAR AS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE REGARDING BYLAWS AND THE BYLAWS ARE SET, WELL, THERE'S SOME CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE BYLAWS AND THE ORDINANCE. THAT, THAT SOUNDS GOOD. THAT CAN BE FIXED. UM, UH, UH, FRIDA DOES NOT HAVE TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, BUT IF FRIDA WANTS ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE DEFINED, THAT'S AN OFFICER. OKAY. BUT MY, MY READ ON STATE LAW IS YOU, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, DIRECTOR PER SE. IT'S NOT IN THE BYLAWS TO HAVE AN IT'S, WELL IF, IF THERE IS TO BE ONE, IF I'M NOT OVERSTEPPING OUR TOWN ATTORNEY, OUR INTERIM TOWN ATTORNEY, I DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW YOU WERE NOT INVOLVED AT ALL AND HAD NEVER EVEN SEEN THE BYLAWS UNTIL THEY WERE PRESENTED AT A PUBLIC MEETING. CORRECT? UM, I WAS KIND OF THROWN INTO IT, I THINK EARLY JULY. JIM WAS THE ONE WHO, WHEN I WAS ATTENDING COUNCIL MEETINGS AND IT WAS ON THE AGENDA AND I HAPPENED TO JIM LOOK THROUGH IT, UH, CUZ I FELT, EVEN THOUGH I HAD AN INTERIM TOWN ATTORNEY, I FELT, OF COURSE I NEED TO HAVE EYES ON IT AS WELL. AND I SAW SOME THINGS THAT JUST, UM, YOU JUMPED OUT. YOU JUMPED OUT. SO, SO, SO IT'S FIXABLE. IT'S FIXABLE. SO BACK, BACK TO STEP ONE, WHAT DO WE NEED TO GET THE FEDERAL ID UP AND RUNNING? THE FACILITATOR. THE FACILITATOR. SO WE NEED TO 70 GRAND TO GET EVERYTHING. THEY TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING. 70 GRAND ON THAT FACILITATOR. IS THERE ANY WAY TO GO BACK TO THE, OUR OWN BUSINESS? WELL, IS THERE ANY WAY TO GO BACK TO THE FACILITATOR AND GET, SAY WE'VE ALREADY SET UP OUR BYLAWS. CAN WE GET A QUOTE FOR JUST TAKING IT FROM HERE? SO THAT WAS JUST A ROUGH NUMBER THROWN OUT BY AN AUDITOR. THE UH MM-HMM. SO IT'S, UH, WE'VE NEVER, WE HAVE AN RFP WRITTEN UP THAT IN DRAFT FORM THAT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. RIGHT. BUT UNTIL WE'VE NEVER PUT THE RMT OUT ON THE STREET. SO IT VERY WELL COULD BE. I'M SCARED. ASK, AND I WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULD BE. SO BJ, HOW COME WE CAN'T DO THAT IN HOUSE? WHY DO WE HAVE TO SEE IT NOW? RICK? WE HAVE TO DO THAT. HOLD ON, HOLD ON. CHRIS HAD THE QUESTION TO BJ. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SET UP AN EDL. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I DON'T SET IT UP IN WHAT RICK, RICK GOT SOMETHING NOW. HOLD ON. RIGHT. GO. SO, I MEAN, AS JIM SAID, I MEAN WE'VE ALL SET UP EINS AND IT'S, THERE'S NOTHING TO IT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU THAT AS I GOT TWO HAVE TO, AND THE SAME PROBATION COMMISSION, WHICH WOULD BE WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING, THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEVER HAD ANY EXPECTATION THAT THIS INFRASTRUCTURE WASN'T ALREADY IN PLACE. RIGHT. I MEAN, WE THOUGHT WE WERE INVITED TO. YEAH. I MEAN, I MEAN WE WERE RECRUITED TO A, YOU KNOW, A BODY THAT HAD A BUDGET AND HAD, YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN INFRASTRUCTURE. YEAH. YEAH. THE WHOLE WORKS. AND WE'VE BEEN, I MEAN, SINCE JANUARY WE WERE LIKE, WELL, WHAT'S THE BUDGET? YOU KNOW? I MEAN, WE THOUGHT YOU WERE TOO, BUT WE COULD USE A COUPLE DOLLARS . WELL, THERE'S, I MEAN THERE'S ALSO, AND YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE POINT, SO IS THAT, IS THAT MILLION DOLLAR TAX, IS THAT STILL AN ONGOING THING EVERY YEAR THAT GOES OVER TO THE WARREN COUNTY ED? YEAH, SO, WELL, WHILE WE'RE HERE, WE'RE ALL HERE. I'VE BEEN BRINGING THIS SUBSTANCE MEETING ONE, THERE'S INVENTORY THAT THE WARREN COUNTY ED HAS THAT SOME OF IT IS IN THE TOWN MM-HMM. . AND SOME OF IT HAS BEEN PAID FOR WHATEVER PERCENTAGE BY THE TAXPAYERS OF FRONT ROYAL. 30%. 30%. SO THERE'S THE NUMBER THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, AND I SHOULDN'T SAY WE, WE'VE NOT EVEN HAD THE CHANCE TO SIT DOWN WITH ANYONE. I MEAN, THEY'VE, THEY'VE JOE'S COME TO A COUPLE MEETINGS, UH, JEFF KINDLE A MEETING, UM, AND SPOKE. BUT, YOU KNOW, HE WAS, HE SPOKE, YOU KNOW, GUARDED BECAUSE [00:30:01] AGAIN, HE SAID, LOOK, JUST LIKE YOU POINTED OUT, THERE'S SOME LEGAL ISSUES. AND HE SAID, WE CAN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, WRAP ARMS AROUND EACH OTHER UNTIL, YOU KNOW, SO, SO WE EACH HAVE OUR OWN CONCERNS, BUT YET WE EACH HAVE, YOU KNOW, A MISSION. YEAH. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS FOR ME IS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS AS A BUSINESS, YOU CAN'T SELL ANYTHING UNLESS YOU HAVE INVENTORY. OKAY. SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR INVENTORY IS. WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN ASKING PRETTY MUCH EVERY MEETING AND THEN WE GOT A BETTER IDEA WHAT THEY HAD. UM, BUT THEY DON'T, AS YOU POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT'S OURS. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT'S THEIRS. THEY, THEY JUST HAVE A LIST OF, OF, OF PROPERTY THAT THEY, THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BRING. WELL, THE LAST TIME WE HAD MET THIS COUNCIL HAD HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, SAID THAT WE WERE GONNA TURN OVER THE PROPERTY THAT THE TOWN HAD OWNED TO Y'ALL. BUT AGAIN, THAT BRINGS US BACK TO RIGHT. BUT THE WARREN, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THERE'S A LOT OF, WARREN COUNTY PDA HAS A LIST. SO SOME OF IT IS ACTUALLY SITTING WITHIN A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF IT. ACTUALLY, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 60 OR 70% IS ACTUALLY WITHIN TOWN LIMITS. YEAH. YES, SIR. THEY'RE HOLDING ON. SO JEFF BROWN CAME OVER THE SUMMER TO THE JULY, I THINK IT WAS JULY MEETING I CAME TO WAS EITHER JUNE OR JULY, HE CAME HERE AND HE SHARED, UM, A LIST OF SOME, AND IT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THE LIST WHEN THEY CAME TO COUNCIL. I CAN'T TELL YOU THE DATE, BUT THEY CAME TO COUNCIL WHEN THE FOUR OF US WERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO. YEAH. AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER. YEAH, YEAH. THE SPREADSHEET. YEAH, AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER. IT WAS LIKE A SPREADSHEET WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT PROPERTY AND STUFF. AND THAT'S WHERE THEY EXPLAINED LIKE, IT, IT ACTUALLY HAD NUMBERS THAT WERE LIKE, THIS MUCH IS THIS, THIS MUCH WAS PAID WITH THAT. UM, BUT THEN OVER THE SUMMER WHEN THEY CAME, UM, HE, THEY WEREN'T EXACTLY SURE WHERE THAT LIST WAS. AND QUITE FRANKLY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, I'D USUALLY KEEP EVERYTHING, BUT I COULD NOT FIND THAT ANYWHERE AT HOME EITHER. BUT THAT WAS KIND OF MY THOUGHT WAS THAT THERE WAS A 70 30, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE WERE PART OF THEM. BUT THIS ALL BOILS DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LAWSUIT INVOLVED. AND SO, UM, I MISS GETTY, RIGHT. MR. GETTY, YOU AND I, I, I THINK SAME WAY I WAS EVEN SO THIS MULTIPLE TIMES, LIKE WHY CAN'T WE, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE 30% IF IT'S NOT 30% OF THIS PROPERTY? JUST HOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE THIS ONE, WE TAKE THIS ONE AND WE COULD AT LEAST GET A FEW PIECES OF PROPERTY TO GIVE YOU ALL SOMETHING TO START, YOU KNOW, WITH, TO MAKE MARKET OR, OR WHATEVER. BUT I THINK WHILE WE'RE IN THIS LAWSUIT, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD RIGHT NOW I DID READ THOUGH, UM, AT THE LAST, I DID READ IN THE PAPER THAT, UM, AT THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE NEGOTIATIONS. AND I KNOW THIS THURSDAY NIGHT WHEN OUR AGENDA FOR THE LIAISON MEETING WITH COUNCIL IN TOWN, THAT WAS, THAT'S ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS, RIGHT? TINA? LIKE BASICALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATIONS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THAT, BUT JUST SAYING LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ONE BUILDING THAT THEY, UH, I BELIEVE SOLD FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE ICE CREAM PRICE DRY. YEAH. I MEAN, AGAIN, SO IT SEEMS TO ME, AND MAYBE BECAUSE OF THE LAWSUIT AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND, BUT, UM, THAT 30%, AND AGAIN, THE WAY SHOULD BE REALIZED EVERY TIME ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES. BUT I THINK IT GOES TO PAY THE LEGAL, THEY'RE, I THINK IT'S PAYING UNITED BANK, THEY GOT A A 10 MILLION JUDGMENT, DOLLAR JUDGMENT. SO ANYTHING THAT THEY SELL GOES TOWARDS THAT FIRST, THAT FIRST YEAH. OKAY. WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE MAY NEVER BE IN. WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT MAKES SENSE. I JUST, IT'S ONE OF THESE THINGS CUZ WE'VE, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOING FORMULA, YOU KNOW, FORMULATING, UM, BYLAWS, TRYING TO KINDA GET SOME STRUCTURE, UH, WHICH WHICH WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, ABOUT I'D SAY 70, 80% THERE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, NOW THERE'S THESE ISSUES WHICH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM LOOK EASY AND SOME OF THEM LOOK NOT AS EASY, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO LEAP OVER. UM, BUT IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ODD BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF AT SEA WITH THE RUDDER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF SPINNING AROUND AND UM, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO GET BACK ON TRACK. YEAH, I KNOW THAT. AND I KNOW I, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL WANT US ON TRACK TOO, [00:35:01] MR. SON WANTED, SO YEAH, GEORGE, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THAT, UH, AS LONG AS THAT JUDGMENT IS IN PLACE, IT'S A LIE AGAINST ALL ED PROPERTY REAL ESTATE, WHETHER WE OWN PART OF OR NOT. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. SURE. I, SO, SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT TO, TO GET THIS TAX ID, WE ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT $70,000, CORRECT? MAYBE RIGHT IN THE BYLAWS. I MEAN, SO I THINK IF WE GO BACK NOW, AND SO WE'VE ALREADY GOT OUR BYLAWS. CAN YOU JUST FINISH SETTING IT UP? YEAH. BUT YOU BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THIS MAY, THIS SHOULD YOU, YOU GOT A BID, UH, FOR AN ESTIMATE OF 70,000 BUT DIDN'T GO OUT TO BID. SO THERE WAS NO COMPETITIVE NO, WE JUST, IT WAS JUST, THIS WAS, UM, THIS WAS BACK IN, UH, MAY OF 2021. OKAY. WE WERE LOOKING TO SET THIS UP. OKAY. AND, UM, THAT WAS JUST A ROUGH NUMBER THAT WAS THROWN OUT THERE. IT COULD BE. YEP. IT COULD BE HIGHER, IT COULD BE LOWER. UM, WE'VE NEVER PUT IT ACTUALLY OUT FOR A COMPETITIVE BID. IT'S IN A DRAFT FORM. SO CAN WE DO THAT? I MEAN, I NEED A LITTLE HELP. I NEED A LITTLE HELP FINISHING IT UP. AND THAT WAS WHERE IT'S AT. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT TOO. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IF THIS GROUP IS COMFORTABLE DOING, THEY COULD ACTUALLY DO THEMSELVES? IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S WEEK TWO AT THE END OF THE TABLE WHO HAVE, IF THEY, IF THEY HAD THE FUNDING, YES. IF THEY HAD THE FUNDING, FUNDING TO GET A TAX, WE GOT PAID A SMALL FEE FOR IT. RIGHT. SO, WELL, I THINK YOU'RE ALREADY PAID TO ME. WE ALREADY PAID YOU TO ME, WANT A TAX ID NUMBER. BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO RAISE MY PLAN. I'LL BE THE CONSULTANT IN HALF THE, WE DON'T WANNA KID ABOUT STUFF LIKE THAT. I AGREE. BUT YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY, I HAVEN'T BEEN, FRANKLY I WOULD, I WOULD TAKE THAT FIRST ONE OFF THE TABLE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO THERE. THERE'S MULTIPLE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT WE'VE SENT THINGS LIKE, SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS ITEM NUMBER ONE, WE'LL CIRCLE BACK AROUND TO IT. LET'S GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO. WHAT ABOUT, BUT ACCOUNTS IS ON THAT SAME ITEM, NUMBER ONE. SO WHAT ACCOUNTS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT BANK ACCOUNTS OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ACCOUNTS WITHIN PJ'S ACCOUNTING SYSTEM? WAIT, WHAT NUMBER TWO ARE YOU ON? NUMBER ONE STILL HAS ACCOUNTS NOT SET UP. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A BANK ACCOUNT. SO P BJ, SO WE FUNDED THEM. HOW MUCH WAS IT? 85? UH, WE HAD SET ASIDE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THE FISCAL. WE YOUR 22 BUDGET? UM, WE USED, UH, ROUGHLY $15,000 OF THAT. OR, UH, SO THERE'S, THERE'S RIGHT, RIGHT AROUND ABOUT 85, 89, I'M SORRY, $89,760 IS WHAT'S LEFT FROM WHAT WE FUNDED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 22 BUDGET, FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGET HAS, UH, $18,070 FOR SALARIES THAT YEAR. I, UM, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING ON TO NUMBER TWO THEN. RIGHT. I SAID THE DIFFERE DIFFERENCES IN THE BYLAWS. WELL, SOMEBODY WAS QUESTION ON NUMBER ONE. YEAH. WELL, NUMBER ONE THEY CAN SET UP THE ROOM WELL, NO, BUT THE QUESTION WAS, DJJ, ARE YOU, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING SET UP ACCOUNTS, ARE YOU TALKING BANK ACCOUNTS OR ACCOUNTS WITHIN OUR ACCOUNTING SYSTEM? WE NEED BOTH. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT FACILITATOR PERSON, IF THAT'S WHAT WE DO, WOULD HELP YOU WITH THAT ADVOCACY? WE KNOW HOW TO DO THAT IF, UM, UH, THE TOWN SOFTWARE IS, UH, VERY EXPENSIVE, EVEN TRYING TO SET UP A SMALL, UH, SOMETHING SMALL, A SEPARATE ENTITY, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE AUTONOMOUS. OKAY. IT, IT'S GONNA BE VERY EXPENSIVE TO SET 'EM UP ON THE TOWN SYSTEM. SO DO WE WANNA LOOK AT ANOTHER SYSTEM? WE WANNA SET A BANK ACCOUNT, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL THE ABOVE. OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE OKAY. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. WE'D HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE A WORK THE ATTENTION THEN THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NOT LIKE WE WAS GET OUR $200 A MONTH. I MEAN, WHICH IS, THIS IS THE LEAST OF THE WORRIES HERE. OKAY. BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A WAY TO SEE WHERE WE'RE HEADED. SO IS THE ATTENTION THEN THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW WE WOULD CHICKEN AND EGG OVER TO HAVING AN EIN AND HAVING CHECKBOOKS AND, AND, AND, AND SOFTWARE TO MAINTAIN IT AND WHATNOT. AND, AND THEN WHAT? UM, ONCE WE GET THOSE AND THE TOWN WOULD REIMBURSE US, ARE WE, ARE WE GONNA FRONT THE MONEY? YOU KNOW, I MEAN THESE ARE ING WELL YOU ALL CAN'T, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MIND TO FRONT. THE ONLY REASON I CAN, WE HAVE MONEY DOESN'T HAVE, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. QUESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE NEED FOR THE EIN IS THE NEED FOR THE E EIN SOLELY TO PAY [00:40:01] OTHERS. BECAUSE I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I THINK. IT'S JUST THAT YOU'RE NOT AN ENTITY UNTIL YOU YEAH. TO BE A SEPARATE ENTITY, YOU'RE GONNA NEED A DOESN'T EXIST AS AN ENTITY ABOUT IT. THAT'S JUST A TAX ID. THAT'S WHAT YOU USE FOR PAYING OTHERS. AND SO WE CAN'T GIVE YOU GUYS MONEY WITHOUT IT. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD. WE CAN'T GIVE THEM MONEY WITHOUT TELLING HOW YOU WANNA SET IT UP. AND THAT GOES BACK TO YOUR BYLAWS. IF YOU'RE GONNA BE TRULY AUTONOMOUS, YOU'RE GONNA BE SEPARATE ENTITY. RIGHT. WHICH THE BYLAWS SAY THEY'RE SEPARATE ENTITIES. YEAH. HOW CAN YOU BLAME IT? NO, NO. THAT'S SAYING IT WOULD BE A NOT FOR PROFIT IS WHAT WE'D HAVE TO BE SET UP AS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY. BECAUSE I THINK IN ADA BY DEFAULT HAS TO BE NONPROFIT. I THINK THAT'S WHY I FACILITATORS. YEAH, EXACTLY. I DON'T ANSWERS. I'LL BE HONEST. YEAH. IF I COULD, ONE OF THE THINGS I OBVIOUSLY I WASN'T INVOLVED WHEN IT WAS SET UP EITHER. AND A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS, I MEAN BETWEEN THE THREE OF US, WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW ENOUGH TO BE DANGEROUS AT THIS POINT. IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR US TO ACTUALLY GO BACK AND COME BACK, YOU KNOW, TO ANOTHER WORK SESSION WITH A COMPLETE LIST OF WHAT DOES IT TAKE, YOU KNOW, ED 1 0 1 AND YOU KNOW, WITH THE FACT THE TAX ID, WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO HELP YOU GUYS GET ACROSS POTENTIAL. WELL, CAN WE GET AN ACTION ITEM LIST? HAD DEADLINE TONIGHT, WE SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. WE HAD OF CONCERNS HERE AND THEN CAUSE WE WEREN'T PART OF IT. SO HARD TO KNOW WHAT TO DO. YEAH, I MEAN I LOOKED UP TODAY, YOU KNOW, I DID A SEARCH TO THE SCC DATABASE. THERE'S NOT A SINGLE ECONOMIC OR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT COMPANY RIGHT. LISTED IN THERE. THERE IS. SO THERE'S DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE WOULD BE AN SCC FILING. RIGHT, RIGHT. WITH THE STATE. THIS IS LIKE A V D OR A V D QUESTION. DIDN'T YOU GUYS WENT TO A TRAINING? YOU ALL WENT TO AN ED A TRAINING FOR SOME OF YOU DID IN THE BEGINNING, DIDN'T YOU? DO DO SOMETHING THROUGH THE, BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING THROUGH THE STATE, RIGHT? YEAH. WELL WE DID THE, WE DID A VIDEO THING AND THEN THERE WAS ONE CONFERENCE. BUT I, BUT I'M SURE THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE LIKE SETTING IT UP. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND WE AND WE GOT ALL THAT. WE GOT THAT INFORMATION TO READ THROUGH TOO ABOUT THE STATE CODE AND MEDIA. YEAH, I GUESS WHAT I WAS SAYING IS, IS THERE A GROUP, SOME ORGANIZATION, SOME DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA THAT COULD ANSWER? I MEAN THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHO I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, MAYBE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS HAVE OUR QUESTIONS, ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS, HAVE THEM ALL WRITTEN DOWN AND THEN ADDRESS, SEE WHERE WE CAN GET THE ANSWERS. WHICH I THINK IS WHAT PART, I'M SORRY. YEAH, GO AHEAD. SO, ALRIGHT. SO WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT AT LEAST A MAJORITY CUZ WE DIDN'T TAKE A VOTE, RIGHT. IS IN FAVOR MOVING FREE TO FORWARD. THESE GUYS ARE ON BOARD. ANYBODY OPPOSED? IS ANYBODY OPPOSED TO MOVING FREE FORWARD? OKAY, FRIDA WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD. WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO POSSIBLY GO OUT AND GET SOME ESTIMATES OR SOME MORE UNDERSTANDING ON E EVA FUNCTIONALITY, UM, TO GET SOME ACTION ITEMS CUZ AMBER AND I LIKE TO HAVE I GET IT DONE. I'M READY. I WANT TO KNOW AND I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO GET OFFENDED CAUSE I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION. BUT THERE'S SOME STAFF SUPPORT ISSUES. SO I'M WONDERING, UM, RICK, SINCE IT'S THE FIRST ONE ON HERE, SAID THE AGENDA PACKETS AND YOU TYPICALLY WORK FOR WITH TINA TO DO THAT. SO YOU'RE THE ONE BRINGING THE INFORMATION? NO, NOT BRINGING THE INFORMATION. NO. UM, STEVEN DID BE AGENDA PACKETS. OKAY. TINA. SO STEVEN DID THEM WITH TINA, YES. BUT, BUT NOT I'M SURE THROUGH TINA'S FAULT, BUT I THOUGHT OUR AGENDA PACKETS WERE KIND OF WEAK. OKAY. UM, SOMETIMES WE, I MEAN AND AGAIN WE WERE JUST STANDING THINGS UP, RIGHT? YEAH. SO IT WAS IMPERFECT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW BUT UH, SO I'LL SAY THAT SOMETIMES WE WERE GETTING PAPERWORK AT THE MEETING AND WE COULDN'T RIGHT. TALK ABOUT IT EFFECTIVELY BECAUSE WE HADN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY READ IT AND WE PUT IT OFF TO THE NEXT MEETING. JOIN THE CLUB. YEAH. I WAS CURIOUS. THAT HAPPENED. THAT'S FINE. BUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT I WAS KIND OF USED TO IT DIFFERENT STYLE. MORE LIKE THE STYLE THAT TINA OUTLINED EARLIER THAT SHE WOULD DO FOR YOU GUYS. OKAY. UH, WHEN I WAS ON THIS DISGRACED E EVA THAT DIS AND I CAME OFF OF IT IN 2007, WHO FIRST YOU RESUME AND I STARTED IN 1994 . UM, BUT IT WAS A GREAT ED AT SOME POINT. IT WAS. YEAH. I STILL AM. I GOT A TARGET STILL. I'M STILL GONNA GIVE THAT ED CREDIT TARGET A TARGET TARGET FOR ALL, YOU KNOW, A LOT THAT YEAH. A LOT OF GREAT STUFF THAT HAPPENED HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. BUT THEN WE FINISHED WITH AN EXCLAMATION POINT OF A REALLY BAD THING. RIGHT. RIGHT. BUT ANYWAY, TO YOUR POINT, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY ELSE WOULD FEEL, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UM, SOMEBODY TO RELY ON TO SAY HEY, CAN YOU [00:45:01] LOOK INTO THIS? I MEAN WE'RE ALL ACTIVE AND WE'LL AND WE'LL DO THAT TOO. RIGHT. UM, I MEAN WE HAVE THIS BIG PROJECT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, MAY OR MAY NOT GET THAT IS WORTH ROUGHLY $40 MILLION A YEAR TO THE TOWN. RIGHT. 40 MILLION A YEAR TO THE TOWN MAY STOP WITH THAT CONVERSATION, WHICH WE FOUND OUT AFTER THE FACT. IS THERE A LEGAL REASON AND IT'S A $400 MILLION A YEAR PROJECT FOR THE COUNTY AT BAILOUT. RIGHT. RIGHT. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BYLAWS ANDS. EXACTLY. YEP. I UNDERSTAND. BUT THEY STOP THAT CONVERSATION. UNFORTUNATELY. WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. NO, NO, I KNOW, I KNOW WE DO. BUT UM, AND THAT FELL INTO OUR LAP. YEAH. I MEAN RATHER QUICKLY. RIGHT. VERY QUICKLY . YEAH. SO BUT WELL THE BIGGEST HURDLE IS, I THINK THE BIGGEST HURDLE THAT I SEE WE JUST GOT OVER TONIGHT CAUSE I WASN'T SURE COMING IN HERE TONIGHT, I'LL BE QUITE FRANK WITH YOU. IS THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FREEDOM. SO THAT WAS A HURDLE. NOT HOLD QUESTION TOO. I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE ABOUT FREEDOM. I'M TRYING TO EDUCATE MYSELF, BUT I'M NOT GONNA PUT A KABOSH ON RIGHT. ON WHAT WE'RE DOING. IS THERE A LEGAL REASON WHY WE NEED TO GET AN EIN TO FORM A SEPARATE CORPORATION WHEN PROBABLY ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES WITH THE PREVIOUS ED WAS IT ALMOST WORKED IN THE DARK AS A SEPARATE ENTITY AND THERE WAS NO OVERSIGHT. AND SO IS THERE A RATIONALE TO DEVELOP AN AUTHORITY WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE TOWN AND THE TOWN'S OVERSIGHT BY ITS VIOLENCE? IT IS ITS OWN ENTITY FIRST OF ALL. YEAH. BY STATE LAW. IT'S A SEPARATE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE. THAT'S THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SITTING ONE FROM. SO ONCE WE WON IT, THEY FOR POLITICAL SUBDIVISION ANYWHERE. RIGHT. THE TOWN. SO WE'RE JUST SETTING IT UP AND SUPPORTING IT TO WORK TOGETHER. BUT IF THEY DON'T WANNA WORK WITH THE TOWN ONCE THEY'RE UP AND RUNNING, IT IS ITS OWN ENTITY. YEAH. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO OPERATE WITHIN THE TOWN. YEAH. THE BYLAWS WILL NEED TO BE UPDATED FOR THE PROCUREMENT AS THE IT'S FILING. YEAH. BECAUSE THE BYLAWS RIGHT NOW THAT WAS THE QUESTION WITH THE BYLAWS OF CAL CODE AND SKIP THE OTHER WAY. WE GOT HERE AND RICK AND I HAD A LIKE SIDEBAR CONVERSATION ABOUT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. WE ALL GOT FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS WITHIN THE LAST TWO, THREE WEEKS MM-HMM. AND NONE OF US HAVE ALL FOUND OUT ABOUT IT TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME IT'S BEEN PIECEMEALED INFORMATION TO EACH OF US. SO, AND AT NO FAULT OF STAFF, THEY'RE, AS SHE SAID, THEY'RE BEING INVOLVED AS WE GO. SO WE'RE ALL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE. THINK SHE NEEDS WHAT TONIGHT WAS FOR. OKAY. I JUST WANNA BEG EACH ONE OF Y'ALL. PLEASE DON'T GIVE IT UP. . SERIOUSLY, I'M WITH GARY. IF IT NEEDS MONEY PUSHED HAVE TWO PEOPLE BEGGING, WE'LL GET IT WORKED OUT. I MEAN IT'S, IT'S JUST I THINK THEY WANT, I DON'T THINK, I THINK IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO, THEY WOULD USE. AND I THINK WE NEED TO FIND SOME OF THAT. I WAS WONDERING IF THEY WERE GONNA COME TO, THEY WERE ALL GONNA VOICE MEETING. I MEAN I I, YOU KNOW, WE DID TALK ABOUT SOME OF THIS IN FORMULATION. WE TALKED ABOUT, WE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEE, STAFF, SEPARATE ATTORNEY, ALL OF THAT. I'M NOT CERTAIN GEORGE WAS IN THE ROOM WHEN WE WERE SPEAKING TO THAT OTHER ATTORNEY ON THE PHONE MM-HMM. . UM, AND WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF LEGALLY THAT WAS OKAY. HE SAID, UH, THIS IS JIM. IS THAT RIGHT? WAS HIS NAME YES. DID THAT WAS AFTER THEY WERE FINE. YEAH. SO JIM ASSURED US THAT HE'S WORKED WITH MULTIPLE EDNAS MM-HMM. THAT, THAT ARE SET UP AND USED THE SAME LEGAL DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, AND AND DOWNTOWN STAFF. YEAH. THAT WAS ACCOUNTED AND I MEAN IF, YOU KNOW, AND I, IT WAS INFERRED THERE MIGHT NEED TO BE COMPENSATION AND, AND THAT ISN'T SOME, YOU KNOW, THAT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DISCUSS WITH NO MONEY IN THE BANK ACCOUNT. RIGHT. UM, AS A BUDGET ITEM. BUT IT COULD BE A BUDGET ITEM, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD. I'D BE CERTAINLY WILLING TO SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF THAT CAME DOWN TO A VOTE WITHIN OUR OWN ORGANIZATION. CAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE THAT, I MEAN ALL OF US, NOT AT ALL. ALL OF US AS RICK POINTED OUT, OWN AND OPERATE OUR OWN BUSINESS OF, OF SOME SORT. AND SO, UM, WELL I'M SORRY , YOU THERE , UH, YOU KNOW, SO, SO I MEAN THAT, THAT TAKES UP SOME OF OUR, OUR FREE TIME IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. SO, SO THE CONVENIENCE OF HAVING THE STAFF BEING ABLE TO UH, YOU KNOW, PULL TOGETHER A PACKAGE. SO BEING BROUGHT IN LATE, LIKE YOU, I WAS BROUGHT IN ON THAT MEETING WITH JIM THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT WITH THEM. IT WAS ME. I WAS THE ONLY ONE ON COUNCIL WHO BROUGHT IT TO Y'ALL'S ATTENTION. I HAVE CONCERNS BECAUSE [00:50:01] THEY ARE GONNA BE THEIR ENTITY WITH SHARING A LEGAL TEAM WITH THEM AND IT WASN'T ANYTHING AGAINST THEM OR THE FREEDOM. MM-HMM. , MY CONCERN WAS WHEN WE'RE IN ACTIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS AND WE'RE USING THE TOWN ATTORNEY, WHO DOES HE REPRESENT? DOES HE DO REPRESENT THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL OR THE FRONT ROYAL ED? AND AT WHAT POINT, IF HE HAS TO SIGN A NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT FOR THE TOWN OR FRIDA, THEN WE DON'T HAVE AN ATTORNEY. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO IT WAS ME THAT BROUGHT THAT UP AND I STILL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I CAN SEE WHERE IT CAN BE. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT AGAIN, GOING BACK TO DON'T HAVE THE CONVERSATION WE HAD. RIGHT. JIM SAID ON THE PHONE IN ALL HIS YEARS, IN ALL HIS YEARS, NEVER HAS THAT HAPPENED. OH, THAT HE SAID THAT. YEAH. HE SAID THAT THEY DO HAVE 'EM THROUGHOUT LOCAL COLLEGE AND HE AND HE DID RECOMMEND SEPARATE BONDING YES. ATTORNEY THINGS LIKE THAT. SO FOR WHEN WE DO HAVE NDAS INVOLVED, THINGS YOU MIGHT DO. RIGHT. ONE LAST THING, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT BECAUSE PRIOR TO ALL OF THIS, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THEM BEING A SEPARATE ENTITY AND THE FACT THAT, AND MARK JUST SAID IT, WHICH MAYBE CRINGE A LITTLE BIT, IS UM, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND DO IT OR WHATEVER. JUST TO GO BACK TO THAT, CUZ THAT WAS A CONCERN. THERE WERE OTHER COUNT, THERE WERE COUNCIL MEMBERS BEFORE US OR THAT ARE NO LONGER HERE. THAT THAT WAS THEIR CONCERN IS THAT WE WOULD BE FUNDING A BOARD THAT WE WOULD HAVE NO REALLY CONTROL OVER. BUT KEEP IN MIND, IF WE'RE FUNDING IT, IF WE EVER DECIDE THAT THIS ISN'T GOING THE WAY WE WANT IT TO GO, WE JUST DON'T PROVIDE THE FUNDS ANY LONGER. MUCH LIKE THE TOURISM, THEY CAN STILL KEEP GOING WITH THE THEY IN FRONT ROYAL E YET. I KNOW, UNDERSTAND. BELIEVE ME. SO JUST BY BOTH PART. BUT, BUT AS RICK ALWAYS SAYS, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T GO INTO THIS WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT'S GONNA GO BAD EVENTUALLY. I AGREE. BUT INTO DESERVE. NO, I KNOW. I I, I, THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP AMBER, IS I'M LETTING SKIP KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANT SKIP TO KNOW ALL THE, ALL THE THANK YOU SEESAW OF MOTIONS AND QUESTIONS THAT WENT ON SETTING THIS UP. SO, AND IT HAS TO BE A SEPARATE ENTITY. WE CAN FUND IT AND THEY CAN SAY SCREE ON FRONT OIL. WE'RE DOING IT WHEREVER WE WANT. NAMED FRONT ROYAL ED. YEP. OKAY. NOT THAT TO WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO MOVE FORWARD. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. YEP. I'M READY. BULLET POINT. SHOULD I WANTED TO, I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE STAFF SUPPORT AND SEE IF THIS WAS A, A REALLY HARD BURDEN FOR TINA. TINA I WANT YOU TO BE HONEST AND SAY IF IS A MEETING PUTTING TOGETHER ANOTHER PACKET AND TAKING A MINUTE THAT, THAT'S REALLY HARD. CAN THEY GET AN INTERN? LIKE, I MEAN I NEED TO BE HONEST, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO MAKE HER DO THIS TONIGHT IN THIS MEETING. I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T. I MEAN HER WORKLOAD, SHE WOULD KNOW HER WORKLOAD. IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, I'M OKAY. I IT IS EXTRA WORK. I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT. YEAH. UM, AND I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO BE COMPENSATED FOR IT TO BE PERFECT, HONEST. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER DRAWS. SEE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANNA DO. SHE'S NOT THE ONLY STAFF. NO, NO, NO. I KNOW. BUT FOR THESE ITEMS I'M LOOKING AT WHAT I COULD DO WITH IT. EITHER. I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE I'M SAYING DID DETECTIVE TOLD YOU SHE HAD AN ASSISTANT? BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT MY NEXT, MY NEXT THOUGHT WAS, IS THERE ANYBODY ON FRIDA WHO WANTS TO TAKE THE MINUTES FOR THEIR OWN MEETINGS? SO THAT WAS LIKE SOMETHING THAT COULD COME OFF OF THERE. SO I WAS, I WAS GOING DOWN A PATH HERE. THEY HAD SAID NO LAST TIME. THEY DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER I SAID, I SAID NO FOR THE BOARD. OKAY. UM, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE ALL VERY BUSY PEOPLE. THAT'S FINE BY ME AND WOULDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT CORRECTLY. OKAY. SO ME, I'M A TALKER SO I WANT EVERYBODY TO TALK AND BE HONEST. RIGHT. AND GET IT ALL OUT ON THE TABLE. WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME ROOM. EVERYBODY'S HEARD THE SAME. WELL I DON'T THINK THE EMPLOYED STAFF, I MEAN I, I THINK SHE'S ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT HER, BUT IT'S NOT JUST HER. I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND. FINANCE DIRECTOR AND ATTORNEY. I, I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THE POINTS THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED HERE THAT WERE SPECIFIC TO TINA'S PARTICULAR JOB AND THE BURDEN THAT IS ON HER. CUZ IT SEEMED LIKE SHE WAS MAYBE, MAYBE NOT MOST ACTIVE DURING THESE MEETINGS AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON. I DON'T, BJ I DON'T KNOW. HOW DID YOU GET TO ATTEND ALL THESE MEETINGS TO UM, I DID, UH, I DID HALF OF THEM. OKAY. AND ANYBODY ELSE IN THE DID GEORGE, I WERE YOU, DID YOU BE THERE AS WELL? ALL THE TIME? JIM, DO NOT, NOT AS FREED AS ATTORNEY. OKAY. ATTORNEYS HAVE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SEPARATE RULE BOOK. RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. UM, FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A ESTABLISH THE ATTORNEY CLIENT RELATIONSHIP. RIGHT. AND TOWN ATTORNEY ALSO REPRESENT A LOCAL FRIDA. SURE. UH, IF, IF THE FREE OR ED, IF THE ED FEELS THAT ATTORNEY'S QUALIFIED MM-HMM. , UM, AND UP UNTIL THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. RIGHT. AND THEN THE ATTORNEY WOULD BE FACED WITH, I ASSUME TELLING THE E EVA, SORRY, ON THIS ISSUE I HAVE TO STEP BACK. RIGHT. BECAUSE COUNSEL IS THE PRIMARY CLIENT. GOTCHA. UM, RIGHT. SO I THINK I SAT IN ON A COUPLE [00:55:01] MEETINGS JUST TO LISTEN. YEAH. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY NEED TO DEFINITELY OF COURSE HAVE AN E SO THEY CAN EMPLOY SOMEBODY AND PERHAPS GET A PART-TIME PERSON THAT GAINS ALL SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITIES AND A CONTRACTED ATTORNEY OF SOME SORT. RIGHT. THAT GETS PAID LIKE SOME HOURLY WAGE. SO WE'RE NOT PAYING THEM A FULL BLOWN SALARY FOR A WHOLE YEAR FOR SPECIFICALLY THEIR MEETINGS IS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. WHICH, WELL, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT OUR, HOW OUR WE'RE NOT. RIGHT. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW OUR, OUR LEGAL THERE'S QUESTIONS GOING ON WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT TOO. NO, I, I WAS GONNA SAY, LEMME JUST SAY THIS. THEY NEED HELP IS WHAT I'M SAYING. AFTER WE GET THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TALKING, YOU KNOW, SITUATED. UM, IF WE END UP DO HAVING AN ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY ALONG WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY, COULD THE ASSISTANT ACCOUNT ATTORNEY REPRESENT THE ED? WOULDN'T THAT TAKE CARE OF A CONFLICT IF WE GET INTO A LAWSUIT AND THEY'RE, WHAT IS THE COUNTY? THEY'D HAVE TO GO AGAINST THE COUNTY. I'M, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT THE, RIGHT NOW, THE COUNTY'S ATTORNEY IS THE RIGHT AND THAT THE PAN WOMAN OR SOMEBODY, AT ONE POINT THEY ONLY HAD ONE ATTORNEY. SO SHE'S OUTSIDE COUNCIL, BUT SHE'S THE OUTSIDE COUNCIL FOR FRIDA. I MEAN WEDA, RIGHT. WEDA FOR WHATEVER THEY CALL, WHATEVER I'M SAYING, WEDA. AND THAT'S THE ONE WAY I KEEP IT STRAIGHT. THEY'RE WEDA BUT SHE ALSO IS NOT A COUNTY ATTORNEY. SHE'S NOT THE COUNTY'S ATTORNEY, PRIVATE ATTORNEY, PRIVATE FIRM. SO THEY'RE, YEAH, THAT WAS PREVIOUS. SHE MAY HOLD THE TITLE COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR SOME JURISDICTION. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. SHE'S, BUT I THINK THEY HER TOO AFTER THAT. BECAUSE IF WE, I DON'T THINK UP IN ANOTHER, LOSS FORBID, AND I DON'T ASSISTANT ATTORNEY OF FRONT ROYAL IS WHO WE'RE GOING AGAINST IN COURT WITH OUR TOWN ATTORNEY. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. CAN'T, AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY IS, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK, IF I COULD ADDRESS THAT, I, I THINK IF THE TOWN ATTORNEY, UH, IF, IF, IF FRIDA WAS GOING TO USE AN ATTORNEY IN THE TOWN ATTORNEY OFFICE, IT WOULD BE THE TOWN ATTORNEY. AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY WOULD SHIFT OTHER DUTIES TO THE ASSISTANT. I, I, UM, I CAN'T PUT MY FINGER ON WHY IT, IT WOULDN'T WORK THE OTHER WAY, BUT I I, IT'S JUST NOT COMING TO SOUNDS MESSY TO ME. IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S JUST NOT COMING TO ME RIGHT NOW. WHY IT WOULDN'T WORK FOR THE ASSISTANT. YOU'RE SUPPORT, YOU WOULD BE OVER THEM. SO YOU'RE THEIR BOSS. YOU COULD BE LIKE, YOU'RE FIRED OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW. WITHOUT FURTHER ELABORATION, NOT ELABORATING. I THINK, YEAH, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO NEED, WE NEED, SO THAT PART WE CAN DEAL WITH LATER IS SUPPORT STAFF MATCHING THE TOWN CODE AND THE, THE TOWN CODE AND THE BYLAW TAX TO MATCH. WHO WOULD BE DOING THAT? WOULD THAT BE, WELL, I GUESS NOT. CAUSE HE'S NOT THE ATTORNEY. WE, ONCE WE FILE THAT EIN WE HAVE TAX RESPONSIBILITIES AND REPORTING RESPONSIBILITIES. SO JUST THE FACT THAT WE'RE GONNA, THAT WE'RE GONNA GET AN EIN, UM, THAT THAT BRINGS WITH IT A NUMBER OF OTHER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. AND THAT IS WHO'S GONNA TRACK ALL THIS STUFF AND WHO'S GONNA BE AN AUDITOR. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. SO THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WOULD BEGIN TO CONCERN ME UNTIL WE TALK THROUGH THE, TO THE POINT WHERE WE, WE KNOW WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS NEED TO BE AND WHY, UH, CAN I, YOU WERE THERE WHEN I WERE THERE WHEN WE TO STARTED RIGHT? WE IN 90, NO WAY. WAY. YEAH. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THEY HAVE ALL THESE SAME, THANKS. MAYBE I JUST DON'T REMEMBER A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF GOING ON WITH ECONOMIC. NO, IT HAD BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. BUT LISTEN, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOUR ACTING ACCOUNT MANAGER SAID THAT SHE WANTED TO DO RESEARCH ON. AND I APPRECIATE THE ACTION THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE, BUT I THINK WE'RE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE STUMBLING AROUND AND I THINK SHE COULD GET SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LIKELY MOVE FORWARD IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY. UM, I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT WE COULD DO IT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A MATTER OF WEEKS NOT TO, I, I AGREE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED. DO. STAFF NEEDS TO COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE WE CAN SIT HERE AND PUT STUFF AROUND ALL NIGHT, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE'S NO, I THINK WE'VE, WELL WE GOT THE IMPORTANT THING THERE. COUNCIL'S NOT EVEN CONVINCED THAT WE NEED AN EI IN YET. I WANT HER TO TALK TO SOME EXPERTS WANT THIS TO MOVE FORWARD. SO AN RFP HAS TO BE OUT ON THE STREET FOR 20 DAYS. I MEAN, KATHY, I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN FISH AROUND FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EXPERTS, [01:00:04] RIGHT? WELL, IT WAS ACTUALLY, YEAH. I MEAN THE FEDERAL IDEA WAS ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED. CERTAINLY LOOK INTO IT. I MEAN, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE ED HAS TO DO, RIGHT? RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. TELL WHAT THEY ALL ARE RIGHT NOW. BUT I MEAN, I DON'T THAT BEEN DONE. YOU HAVE TO BE UNDER A CERTAIN POPULATION. NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT EITHER . SO WE HAVE LOCAL COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE EDS WITHIN THE, TO BEGIN TO LOOK AT OTHER EDS, HOW THEY WERE FORMED, HOW THEY'RE STRUCTURED, WHAT GOOD BYLAWS LOOK LIKE. AND THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING $70,000 TO ME. I MEAN, HONESTLY, IT'S NOT THAT, I MEAN, I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK TO ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T MATCH THE TOWN CODE. I WASN'T INVOLVED AT ALL IN ANY PIECE OF THIS. OKAY. RIGHT. SO WE CAN AMEND THE PLAN. OKAY. DOING SOME RESEARCH AND BRINGING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL. THAT SHOULD HELP AT LEAST ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, WE MOVE FORWARD IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY AS OPPOSED TO DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, WE DO. WE HAVE TO GO AND DISCLOSE THAT. NO TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE HERE. NO, WE'RE JUST, I THINK CHRIS TRYING TO DECIDE IF WE NEED IT TO HAVE THAT CLOSED OR NOT. SO SO MOVING FORWARD, THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE, WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA BE GATHERED FOR US IS DO WE NEED AN EIN? AND IF WE DO, WHERE TO GO WITH THAT. RIGHT. AND THEN THE DIFFERENCES FROM THE EBA BYLAWS AND CHAPTER 16, WHAT THE, WHAT'S MISSING? UM, WELL HOLD ON. KATHY, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE STAFF IS SUPPOSED TO BE RESEARCHING? WELL REALLY BASICALLY HOW IT SHOULD BE SET UP. OKAY, GREAT. THAT'S BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS. TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD. LET'S MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. AND I THINK YOU'LL FIND OUT THAT IT COULD BE SET UP IN A VARIETY OF WAYS AND IT JUST, WHICH ONE IS CORRECT FOR OUR COMMUNITY? YEAH, THEY ARE. ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY GOOD? ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANKS FOR SHOWING UP. RIGHT? I HAD FUN FRIDAY NIGHT. THAT WAS AWESOME. DID YOU? I THINK SHE WAS WHAT ALL WAS GOING ON? YOU ALLOWED THAT IN YOUR THEATER. , ROCKY DID ROCKY HORROR. YEAH. I MEAN DID FESTIVAL. IT WAS VERY, IT WAS, WAS VERY MESSY WHEN I LEFT AND I FELT KIND OF BAD THAT I DIDN'T, I HAD NO IDEA. AND I SAID THAT IN THE DAILY GRIND AND ALL THESE PEOPLE STOOD UP THERE WERE LIKE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT? IT WAS A GREAT WEEKEND. I HAD NEVER SEEN IT MYSELF, BUT IT'S HILARIOUS. DON'T WATCH IT WITH YOUR KIDS THOUGH. WE LIKE THROW POPCORN MEAT, HOT DOGS. NO, WE DIDN'T EAT. THEY GOT THROW THROW HOT DOGS. YEAH, RICK ALLOW PEOPLE THROW HER DOGS IN THIS THEATER. I TELL YOU, NOBODY GETS CAUGHT THROUGH IN ANYTHING. AND THAT WE TOLD 'EM BEFORE IT STARTED THAT JUST ON THE SCREEN ONLY SHOW THIS IS ALLOWED THE SCREEN. WELL, GARY, DO ANY OF, AND YOU SAID DON'T TOUCH THE SCREEN. JUST DON'T TOUCH THE SCREEN. DON'T TOUCH THE SCREEN. MAKE SURE NOTHING HITS THE SCREEN. LISTEN THAT. YOU GUYS PROBABLY SAW THAT, BUT AS YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT SUPERMARKETS. YES. AND WE RAN IT OUT. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S NO, I GOT, I GOT IT WAS, OH, DO YOU NEED ONE, CHRIS? IT'S REALLY THICK. IT IS FANCY PAPER. ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. THAT WAS SHOWED UP, UH, THE OTHER DAY. YEAH, YEAH, IT IS. ON NEW GROCERY STORES. TOUGH. YES, IT IS. RIGHT DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN. ARE YOU DONE WITH US? YOU HEAR THAT? WHAT? YOU WANT A GROCERY STORE RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN? SO THAT'S YOUR FIRST PLEASE READ AND COME BACK AFTER YOU'VE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK. SO, SO FRI I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL BE BRINGING THIS BACK AT A WORK SESSION OR IF WE'LL BE SCHEDULING ANOTHER SEPARATE MEETING WITH THEM, I GUESS. WE'LL, WE'LL BRING IT BACK AFTER WE GET EVERYTHING FROM STAFF WE GROUP. YEAH. I THINK IT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. SO WE ALL THE SAME THAT I WAS TOUGH ON. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO GO INSTEAD OF ADDING IT TO THE END OF WELL, WE MAKE, MAKE MONEY TOO. I WOULD JUST LIKE MIKE. SO WE'RE GONNA GET TOGETHER AGAIN AFTER STAFF HAS DONE THE, AS SOON AS THEY GET EVERYTHING BACK TO US, WE'LL TAKE IT AND GET TOGETHER ASAP. SOON AS WE GET IT. I'M GONNA TRY TO DO [01:05:01] IT. WE WANNA DO IT AGAIN LIKE A THIS GROUP, NOT TAIL SOMETHING. MAYBE THE OTHERS CAN COME TO THE TWO, THE WRAPS. THAT'S ALL I JUST WANTED. I WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE IT FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS. WE, WE REALLY NEED GET MY HIP REPLACED. THANK YOU GUYS. YOU THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND YOU'LL BE BACK WHEN YOU'RE FEET IN TWO WEEKS. HE'LL TRY BE BACK WHEN YOU'RE FEET IN TWO WEEKS. HE'LL TRY AND A WEEK HOPEFULLY 10 . 10 DAYS. HE MEANS 10 MINUTES. I WAS LIKE, WE DO HAVE AN ELEVATOR. HERE'S SLOW. THANK YOU. SHOULD ADJOURN? YEAH, WE SHOULD. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. WE ARE GONNA GO TO CLOSE, BUT THIS REGULAR MEETINGS ADJOURN. THIS PART'S AJOUR. I THINK YOU HAVE TON. SO MOVE. OH BABY. THANK YOU. YEP. YES. BE ALL. THANK YOU. READ. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.