[Special Town Council Work Session on August 16, 2022.]
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I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE JOINT WORK SESSION WITH TELL COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION ARE NOT DATA CONCEPT WITH CON CON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, FROM SUMMIT ENGINEERING, UH, LAUREN PRESENTATION.
ALRIGHTY, CAN YOU, OH, HI EVERYONE.
MY NAME IS, AND YOU'RE GOING TO INTRODUCE, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR HAVING ME.
I'M THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT MANAGER FOR SUMMIT DESIGN AND ENGINEERING.
I'VE SEEN MANY OF YOU OVER THE PAST YEAR.
UM, SO HAVE YOU HAVEN'T SO I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO GO AND DO A RECAP, BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE TO GET TO THIS POINT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS, SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
UM, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS WITH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT RESIDENTS AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS THE FRONT ROYAL WANTS IN THE PLAN.
WHAT TO SEE, UM, IN THE FUTURE OF THE COMMUNITY, WHAT THEIR VISION IS.
UH, WE STARTED BY CREATING A WEBSITE.
THIS IS EXCERPTS IMAGES FROM THE WEBSITE, UH, CREATING A WEBSITE THAT EXPLAINS THAT'S THE INFORMATION HUB AND THE WAY YOU GET A LOT OF INFORMATION.
THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT THE ONLY WAY.
UM, WE'VE HAD QR CODES THROUGHOUT AT ONE POINT STAFF PUT, UM, QR CODE WITH THE LINK TO THE WEBSITE AND THE SURVEY IN THE WATERVILLE, SO THAT MAKE SURE THAT THEY GOT TO EVERYBODY IN TOWN.
WE'VE BEEN TAKING VISION STATEMENTS ONLINE, AND WE'VE ALSO HA WE HAVE AN INTERACTIVE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO INPUT THEIR GREENWELLS.
UH, IN THE VERY BEGINNING, WE TALKED FIRST HAD AN OPEN HOUSE.
UM, YOU MIGHT REGRESS HOLD IN A LITTLE BIT DARK AND IT WAS, YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP EVERYONE SAFE FROM COMING OUTSIDE OF THE PAVILION AND TOM, UH, ELSEWHERE.
UH, WE ALSO CREATED A BUNCH OF CARDS.
THEY LOOKED LIKE LITTLE BUSINESS CARDS AND WE DISTRIBUTED THAT TO THEM, UM, AT MEETINGS, BUT ALSO AT GOODNESS'S BOTH DOWNTOWN AND AROUND TOWN SO THAT PEOPLE WERE ABLE TO PICK THAT THE QR CODE ON THE BACK GOES TO THE WEBSITE, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO IT, THAT, THAT, OR THE SERVIER ON THEIR OWN.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM ALL OF THIS INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC INPUT, AND ALSO FROM THE SURVEY, WE CREATED A SURVEY SUMMARY AND I REPEAT MYSELF ALL THE TIME, BUT WE'LL USE AN ITERATIVE PROCESS WHERE WE GATHER INFORMATION AND WE GIVE YOU A DELIVERABLE SO THAT PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO REACT TO IT'S ON THE WEBSITE.
PEOPLE MAKE COMMENTS, WE TAKE PLAN AND COMMISSION, UH, COMMENTS CHANGES, SELF COMMENT, UM, AND THEN PEOPLE CAN MAKE COMMENTS ON THE LEFT SIDE.
SO WE HAVE A SURVEY RESULTS SUMMARY WHERE WE TALK ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SAID.
SO THEY UNDERSTAND IF, WHAT IF YOU TOOK THE SURVEY, YOU WERE ABLE TO GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW I DO, OR DON'T ALIGN MAYBE WITH MY FELLOW RESIDENTS AND THE WAY I SEE THINGS, THEN WE, THEN WE BROUGHT IN DATA.
SO WE HAVE OPINIONS AND DATA, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS BASED ON REALLY TOGETHER.
WE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN OBJECTIVE DATABASE UNDERSTANDING OF TOWN, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE IT'S REALLY PERSONAL TO ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS.
SO THEN WE CREATED THIS DATA, UM, DOCUMENT, GOT AN EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT.
YOU'LL SEE ALL OF THIS, THAT IT MANIFESTS IN THE, IN THE PLAN NEXT WITH GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.
I HOPE THAT MOST OF YOU HAVE READ IN DEPTH, THIS DOCUMENT.
I KNOW A LOT OF YOU HAVE GIVEN SOME REAL SUBSTANTIVE FEEDBACK.
ALL OF THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
AND THEN IF YOU COME, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN PROCESS, MOST OF YOU KNOW THIS, BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU, DON'T USE THE, IN A NUTSHELL, YOU ENVISION, OR YOU ESTABLISH WHERE YOU ARE, YOU ENVISION WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.
AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, STRATEGIES THAT ARE THE STEPS TO GET THERE.
NEXT STAGE WAS THE DRAFT TEACHER LAND USE MAP, AND THEN DEVELOP AND POLICIES.
SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT REDUNDANT TO THE OBJECTIVES, BUT IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC WAY OF TALKING JUST ABOUT DEVELOPMENT POLICIES.
THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAS BEEN THROUGH MULTIPLE ITERATIONS AND FEEDBACK FROM STAFF, FROM A PLANNING COMMISSION.
AND I BELIEVE A NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEDBACK FROM THIS ONE AS WELL.
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A BIG PUBLIC CHARETTE.AND THEN A COUPLE OF OPEN HOUSES.
WE DID THE OPEN HOUSES ON A SATURDAY WHEN IT WAS, UH, THE WINE FESTIVAL.
SO THERE WERE A TON OF PEOPLE OUT AND ABOUT A LOT OF YOU WERE THERE AND PEOPLE GET PEOPLE.
I FIND, I THINK TALKING ABOUT, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE MAPS, DRAWING ON THE MAPS, GIVING, YOU KNOW, HAVING GOOD CONVERSATIONS, TALKING TO OUR NEIGHBORS.
SOME PEOPLE, THEY KNEW, SOME PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T.
UM, AND THEN THAT ALL ALSO GOT BROUGHT INTO, UM, INTO THE DRAFT FUTURE LAND USE MAPS, UH, AGAIN, AND THEN AFTER THAT, AFTER WE GOT ALL OF THAT FEEDBACK ON ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT PROCESSES, THEN WE CREATED THE DRAFT DOCUMENT.
AND SO THAT'S A LOT OF THESE THINGS IT'S NOW I JUST SHARE THE WEBSITE TO SAY, IT'S THERE ON THE WEBSITE NOW AVAILABLE FOR COMMENT, PEOPLE ARE READING IT.
THEY'RE COMMENTING GOING BACK TO THE DATA, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE VERY, THAT ARE FAMILIAR WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DRAFT, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S A BASIS OF DATA.
YOU'LL SEE THAT SURVEY RESULTS ARE IN THERE BECAUSE THEY ARE A HUGE PART OF WHY WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE DO.
UM, AND WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE THE DOCUMENT REALLY ACCESSIBLE.
THIS IS JUST AN, A PAGE IN PLANNING COMMISSION CAME UP WITH THIS LAST TIME I WAS UP HERE SITTING RIGHT HERE, TALKING TO YOU ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF A GUIDE THROUGH THE DOCUMENT SO THAT, UM, SO THAT WE HAVE, SO NOW WE HAVE THE FRONT ROYAL CARDINAL THAT SORT OF EXPLAINED THINGS.
SO WE TRIED TO MAKE HIM BE ACCESSIBLE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE TIME, BUT WE WANT THIS DOCUMENT TO NOT BE ONE OF THE TRADITIONAL TWO THOUSANDS AND EVEN 2010S, JUST OWN BOOK, BLACK AND WHITE HUGE DOCUMENT THAT IT WAS A COMP PLAN WHERE PEOPLE OFF IN ORDER FOR RESIDENTS AND ALL STAKEHOLDERS TO FEEL REALLY INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS.
WE WERE TRYING TO, TO WRITE TO THREE DIFFERENT READERS, TOO.
SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST WANDERING SCAM THROUGH SOME PEOPLE WHO WANT TO READ IN GREAT DEPTH AND THEN SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.
SO, SO WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS AT ALL TIMES IN THE DOCUMENT DESIGN, UM, AGAIN, SAME THING WE'RE TRYING TO, WE, WE INCORPORATE A LOT OF PHOTOS AND A LOT OF, UH, WAYS THAT, UM, THE PEOPLE CAN SEE THEMSELVES INTO, IN THE DOCUMENTS.
THE VISION IS IN THERE, AND THEN A SUMMARY OF THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS, BECAUSE, AND WE HEARD THIS IN THE BEGINNING THAT PEOPLE ARE VERY INVESTED IN WANTING TO HAVE A TRANSPARENT PROCESS.
SO THIS WAS ALL LEADING, LEADING TOWARD THESE RECOMMENDATIONS SORT EXPLAINING, UM, SOME OF YOU MIGHT BE IN THAT PHOTO ACTUALLY, BUT FIND YOURSELF FAMOUS IN A PLAN.
EVERYONE ELSE DOING ANOTHER WAY THAT WE HAVE A NEW HABIT.
SO THIS IS IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENT.
UM, THERE WERE CERTAIN THEMES THAT WERE JUST REPEATED OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
WHEN WE FIRST TALKED TO THESE YOUTUBE BODIES IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS.
UM, AND THEN WHEN WE TALKED TO THE PUBLIC, WHEN THE SURVEY DATA, ET CETERA, WOULD, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT KEPT GETTING REPEATED OVER AND OVER AND OVER THAT PEOPLE WANT IN THEIR PLAN.
SO WE BOIL IT DOWN TO FOUR BIG IDEAS.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR PEOPLE WHO MAYBE AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH CONFERENCE AND PLANNING.
UM, IT CLEARLY GOES INTO MORE DEPTH, BUT THE FOUR BIG IDEAS ARE THESE ONE PRESERVED DOWNTOWN AND CREATE MORE OF WHAT WE LOVE PEOPLE REPEATEDLY.
THE DOWNTOWN, ACTUALLY THIS AREA IS, IS REALLY WHAT PEOPLE LOVE ABOUT FRONT ROYAL, HOW PEOPLE, AND TO FIGHT, NOT EVERYTHING THAT THEY LOVE, BUT I HELP PEOPLE IDENTIFY.
AND SO WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE AREA AND THEN CREATE MORE OF IT.
SO THERE'S TREMENDOUS INFILL OPPORTUNITY IN THAT AREA.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT REFLECTED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND A LOT OF THE, UM, A LOT OF THE OBJECTIVES.
AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT, IT'S A VERY SIMPLE, QUICK, BIG IDEA.
BUT IF YOU BREAK IT DOWN, IT'S GOT A LOT OF TRYING TO ADDRESS A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE HEARD WE HEARD REPEATEDLY AND THE DATA REPEAT.
IF THERE'S AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUE, PEOPLE FEEL THAT THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE HOME THAT THEY WANT.
SO ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO THAT IS TO INCREASE, TO INCREASE IN BILL.
WE HEARD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING THAT THE TOWN WANTS TO BE MORE FAMILY.
WELL, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT IS INCREASE OPPORTUNITIES FOR DEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA, INCREASING MORE DOWNTOWN.
IT ALSO SPEAKS TO SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES WHERE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC AND ON, ON STREETS AND TOWN HAVE A LOT OF OTHER, EXCUSE ME, ANOTHER ONE IMPROVED TELLING US FEDEX.
WE REALLY BOIL DOWN EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT GETTING RID OF VAPE SHOPS, GETTING RID OF SIGNAGE, UH, AND CODE ENFORCEMENT AND PEOPLE BEING WORRIED ABOUT, UM, APARTMENTS THAT DON'T LOOK GREAT, ET CETERA.
WE BOIL IT DOWN TO INCREASED TALENT AESTHETIC.
AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THERE'S, WE'RE, WE'RE WAITING TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THAT TH THAT WE INCORPORATE ALL OF THE EDITS THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET IN.
THEN WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL, WE'LL ADD A MATRIX HERE.
THAT'S A, THIS BIG IDEA IS ADDRESSED BY X, Y, Z OBJECTIVES ON XYZ.
AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT AT THE CHARETTE TUTOR, DOING AN IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX TO UNDERSTAND HOW STEP-BY-STEP THE PLAN IS GOING TO GET IMPLEMENTED AND ENHANCED THE SAFE MOBILITY AND CHOICE.
SO I THINK EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY WANTS TO HAVE A CHOICE.
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I'VE HEARD THIS REPEATEDLY.SOME PEOPLE WANT TO RIDE BIKES.
SOME PEOPLE WANT TO RIDE A BIKE ALL THE TIME.
SOME PEOPLE WANT TO DRIVE A CAR SOMETIMES AND RIDE A BIKE.
SOMETIMES EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE, THANK YOU.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE SAFE WHILE DOING IT.
SO THIS BIG IDEA INCORPORATES ALL OF THAT.
WE HEARD, WE WANT A CONNECTED SYSTEM OF BIKE LANES AND TRAILS.
WE WANT TO FINISH THE GREENWAY.
WE WANT THE, THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY RAIL TRAIL PROJECT.
WE, UM, AND THEN A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT TRAFFIC.
THIS INTERSECTION, UM, THIS INTERSECTION IS DANGEROUS OR THIS INTERSECTION, OR HAS TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO THERE ARE LOTS AND LOTS OF, OF OBJECTIVES THAT MEET ALL OF THOSE SEPARATE THINGS.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'LL HEAD DOWN TO THE BIG IDEA.
SO IF ANYBODY SAYS YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHAT'S IT ALL ABOUT, LIKE, JUST HELP MAKE THIS HELP EXPLAIN.
AND THE FOURTH ONE IS INCREASED PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE RIVER.
SO WE HEARD THAT FROM THE BEGINNING REPEATEDLY, WHICH IS WE HAVE A BUTTE, WE HAVE REALLY TWO BEAUTIFUL RIVERS OR TWO FORKS.
AND WE, WE DON'T, WE ONLY HAVE TWO WAYS TO ACCESS THEM.
SO UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO HIT A, IN A CANOE AND GO THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH YOU REALLY MISS MUCH OF THE RIVER IN, FOR ROYAL, SO INCREASING ACCESS TO THE RIVER.
AND THAT DOESN'T JUST MEAN VOTING ACCESS.
THAT COULD MEAN, UM, OPENING UP PROPERTY ON THE RIVER, ET CETERA.
UM, THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THAT.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST THE ALL ENCOMPASSING BIG IDEA.
SO WE CAN HAVE AS MUCH QUESTION, QUESTION, ANSWER, DISCUSSION, OR DO YOU WANT IT, BUT I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.
QUESTIONS CHANGES FROM, FROM THIS ROOM HERE FROM TOWN COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION, ALSO FROM THE PUBLIC AND ALSO FROM STAFF, AND THEN WE'LL MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES AND PUT THE DRAFT BACK OUT AGAIN.
UM, AND AT THAT TIME WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS, SO THAT WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER SET OF OPEN HOUSES.
THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT FORMAT, BUT AGAIN, WHERE PEOPLE CAN, UM, ASK QUESTIONS, UM, THAT HAVE DISCUSSION, IDEALLY THEY WILL HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS BEFORE.
AND WILL IT BE ABLE TO SEE ANY OF THE CHANGES OR THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY ASKED OR BROUGHT US TO BE MADE, UM, WILL BE IN THE DOCUMENT.
AND THEN AFTER THAT PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION, THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING THERE, AND THEN TELL COUNCIL, ADOPT THE PLAN IF, IF IT SEES FIT.
AND THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING THERE AS WELL AFTER THAT, WE'LL START THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE UPDATE, WHICH IS OUR WAY OF IMPLEMENTING THIS PLAN.
I RAN THROUGH THAT REAL QUICK, BUT, AND AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE TO, UM, WE CAN GO INTO AS MUCH DEPTH AS YOU WANT, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT, BUT WE'RE AVAILABLE.
UM, IF YOU SEND COMMENTS TO, TO STAFF, THEY'LL COMPILE THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THEY GET THEM.
AND THAT'S THE SAME, SAME FOR QUESTIONS OR, UM, OR THINGS THAT YOU THINK ARE THAT YOU LOVE ABOUT THE PLAN, OR YOU HATE ABOUT THE PLAN, ET CETERA, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, THE PUBLIC MEETINGS LISTED HERE, WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP OR THE NEXT PUBLIC MEETINGS? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THROUGH ALL OF THE CHANGES AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW SUBSTANCES THOSE CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE.
UM, SO WE HAVE NOT SCHEDULED THEM YET CHANGES FROM THE COMMENTS FROM PLANET, CONVENTION AND COUNCIL.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, WELL, HOLD ON THE DOCUMENT, THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC MEETINGS PRIOR TO THAT TO GATHER MORE SUPPORT.
YES, THE PUBLIC MEETINGS WILL BE LESS FORMAL.
UM, GOT A YOU'LL KNOW THIS, BUT OFTEN AS AT A PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S LEFT OF, UM, UH, THE LEARNING INTERACTIVE LEARNING ON BOTH SIDES, INTERACTIVE FORMAT, IT'S MORE FORMAL.
UM, AND USUALLY IF YOUR COMMENTS ARE TIMED, ET CETERA, THE, THE OPEN HOUSES OR THE MEETINGS, HOWEVER, WE, UM, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH ONE WE CALL THEM REALLY.
UM, BUT YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO COME IN AND TALK TO, OR TALK TO ONE OF MY TEAM OR TALK TO A PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER IF YOU ALL CHOOSE TO COME SO THAT THIS JUST MUCH, MUCH LESS FORMAL.
SO THERE'S PUBLIC MEETINGS PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO, SO THERE WILLY WILL BE FOR IN-PERSON OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ENGAGED, BUT THERE WON'T BE ANY MAJOR CHANGES TAKEN AFTER THIS PUBLIC MEETINGS IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE WAY THAT THIS IS, UH, NOT IF THERE'S SOMETHING HUGE, IF THE, IF THE PUBLIC COMES IN A TEST, YOU KNOW, WE ALL THINK THAT IT'S REALLY INAPPROPRIATE THAT YOU HAVE MADE X, Y, Z RECOMMENDATION.
OF COURSE, THERE CAN BE CHANGES IN MY EXPERIENCE.
THEY'RE OFTEN, UM, ART, HUGE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES AT THAT POINT.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE VERY HEAVILY
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DISCUSSING ZONING RIGHT NOW.UM, LAND COMMISSION AND COUNCIL, AND SINCE THE LAST PUBLIC MEETINGS WITH IMPLEMENTED SHORT TERM RENTALS, THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE SINCE THE LAST PUBLIC MEETING PLANNED IN A GREAT WAY.
SO I KNOW THAT ME PERSONALLY, I'VE HAD MANY PEOPLE REACH OUT OVER THE LAST WEEK, IF NOT TWO WEEKS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS, UM, SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE PORTION OF IT.
UM, AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, I CAME IN AFTER YOU GUYS HAD BEGAN YOUR WORK LAST FALL, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THE ZONING THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING ON PLANNING, COMMISSION AND COUNCIL, UM, I THINK THAT THEY WOULD REQUIRE AN RG DILIGENCE WOULD BE TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING PRIOR TO THE CHANGES IN THE PUBLIC HEARING SPECIFICALLY ON SHORT TERM RENTALS, UM, THAT IN THE FUTURE LAND USE AND USUALLY INDUCE WAS THE SUBJECT OF THE SHRED ON THE OPEN HOUSE.
UM, ZERO, YOU CAN CHIME IN, I MEAN, I THINK YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IN PUBLIC MEETINGS, IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WERE, WELL, I JUST WANT TO BRING EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED.
WE JUST RECENTLY GOT THE NOTEBOOK.
I'M YOU JUST GOT IT TONIGHT, CORRECT? YES.
SO WHAT IS THE PROPER PROCEDURE FOR COUNCIL TO, UH, GET THEIR COMMENTS TO YOU? AND WE'LL DO IT THE SAME WAY.
SO THE PAYER CAN COORDINATE WHEN MEMBERS, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT, GET IT, GET THE COMMENTS TO PLANNING.
COMMISSION'S GOING TO HAVE COMMENTS BY THE END OF AUGUST, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL.
UM, BUT YOU'VE HAD TWO WEEKS AHEAD OF TOWN COUNCIL WITH THE DOCUMENT.
UM, AND SO W W WHAT I SENT THE LINK OUT TO COUNCIL LIKE COMMISSION ON THE SAME DAY.
SO JULY 29, IT WAS SENT TO EVERYONE.
UM, I PRINTED BINDERS FOR A PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR LAST WORK SESSION.
SO THOSE WERE GIVEN OUT, UM, THE THOUGHT WAS THAT EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE COMMENTS BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.
SO MAYBE WE COULD START MAKING CHANGES AND LANDING THESE NEXT, UH, ROUSE AND PUBLIC INPUT SESSIONS DIRECT OUR QUESTIONS TO YOU VIA EMAIL OR PERFECT ABOUT CALMING.
I WASN'T SURE HOW WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO COMMENTS.
SO, SO I WENT IN THE BOX AND THE BOX ALLOWS YOU TO MARK UP IT AND MARK IT UP AND SAVE IT.
I THOUGHT, BUT LAUREN DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT.
SO NOW THAT I HAVE THIS, I NEED, THIS WILL BE EASIER TO DO TYPOS AND THE THINGS THAT I WAS FINDING HER, WHATEVER.
SO, SO WE COULD JUST LITERALLY MARK THIS UP, NOT WORRY ABOUT I'LL JUST HAVE TO GET BACK AND FIND THEM MY PROBLEM.
AND THEN JUST GIVE THIS TO YOU OR JUST SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS.
AND THAT'S HOW I'VE BEEN MARKING IT UP.
I'D PUT DOWN THE RED PEN AND JUST START GOING THROUGH IT.
BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THOUGH.
IT'S NOT LIKE TYPE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, UNDER THE ANNEXATION HISTORY, WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT IN 2014, THE COUNTY ANA, APPROXIMATELY TWO, THREE AND FOUR ACRES, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS ONE OF MY THOUGHTS WITH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO SAY PHONE BUY, BECAUSE THIS WAS GOING TO BE 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
LIKE, TO ME, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO JUST GIVE A DIRECTION, LIKE ONE THE WEST END OF TOWN OR EASTON TOWN NOT, OR LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IT SAYS FRANKS, IS THERE, WELL, FRANK HADN'T BEEN THERE BECAUSE IT LIKE MIRRORS NOW ELEMENT.
SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE ON HERE, THAT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MARK IT OUT, SO I'LL JUST SHARE IT WITH YOU, BUT I'M JUST THERE.
MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
MAYBE PEOPLE THINK IT SHOULD SAY WHO OWNS THAT LAND OUT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
HER, TO ME PUTTING THAT, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS FROM NOW, THEY COULD SELL IT AND IT WON'T BE, UM, EXCUSE ME.
WELL, IN THAT, AND THEN IT MAY NOT LAST FOR 20 YEARS IF WE'RE SAYING IF WE'RE NAMING SPECIFIC, BUT I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE HISTORY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE.
AND WHEN I SAW THE FRANKS BUILDING, LIKE THE FRAMES BUILDINGS AND THE BREAKS, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T SUPPORT THE FRANK'S BUILDING.
THEN WHEN I READ THAT AND IT SAID, IT'S FRANKS, AND I'M THINKING THAT ANYBODY PICK THIS THING UP, IT'S GOING TO READ IT AND BE LIKE FRANKS, WHO WERE STRENGTHS CAUSE OF GENERAL ELEMENT.
BUT GUESS WHAT KNOW I'M SAYING 40 YEARS FROM NOW, IT MAY NOT BE THERE.
THAT'S ALL I WAS SAYING, HOW SPECIFIC SHOULD
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WE BE? SO I THINK IF WE'RE ALL MARKING IT UP, LAUREN'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO TREND PROBABLY LIKE THAT.AND THEN SHE COULD MAKE A DECISION BASED ON WHAT SHE SEEMED EMOTIONAL.
MY THOUGHT WAS ALL CREATE LIKE A MASTER MARKUP DOCUMENT AND SEND YOU FEW ITERATIONS AS POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT ALSO WHEN YOU'RE MAKING COMMENTS LIKE ABOUT MORE THAN JUST TYPOS, LIKE I WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS MENTIONING.
I SAID, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT, NOT ONLY IN THE SHORT TERM, WE JUST HAD RECENTLY RETREAT BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THE PORT ROYAL EDA REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S A NEWLY LAUNCHED HOARD.
AND IT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE'D EVER, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I'D EVEN MET, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MEMBERS PROBABLY.
BUT DURING THAT WE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WE WANTED IN THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL.
AND I THINK THAT WAS VERY EYE-OPENING FOR A LOT OF COUNSELORS AND EDA NUMBERS.
SO I JUST THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION PRESENTED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE MET COLLECTIVELY AS A BODY COUNCIL.
UM, SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN HAVING MORE PUBLIC INPUT PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
NO, I DID EMAILS AND SOME OF THE CHANGES AND SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU ALL DISCUSSED THAT OKAY.
I MEAN, TO ASK FOR SOMETHING I SAID THAT CAN'T BE DONE, BUT CAN I GET A BIGGER MAP WITH ALL THESE? I WOULD HAVE A
SO YOU FELT LIKE YOU GOT TO RECREATE IT HERE AND THERE, BUT, UM, THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME MAP SO I CAN PRINT THEM OFF 11 BY 17.
IF YOU WANT A 36 BY FOUR, WANT THAT
THESE, THESE EDITS, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS A NOTEBOOK.
THERE IS OVER 200 PAGES RIGHT NOW IN THE NEW BOOK AND PROBABLY MORE WILL COME TO IT.
IF EVERYBODY WRITES IN THEIR NOTEBOOK, THAT'S 11 TIMES 200 THAT SOMEBODY, YOUR STAFF OR LAUREN OR SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO CORRELATE THESE, THESE COMMENTS.
AND I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING BY THE END OF AUGUST.
I MEAN, WE MAY BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THEM, BUT, BUT IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US, ESPECIALLY THE FUTURE LAND USE AS HAMBURG DISCUSSED THAT, UH, THAT IS CRITICAL, NOT JUST TO THIS GROUP, BUT THE EDA, UH, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE GETTING THEIR COMMENTS ON, ON THAT THING.
SO I THINK AT THE END OF AUGUST IS A RATHER AGGRESSIVE, UH, TIMELINE.
SO I SAW IT WAS LIKE, IF WE'RE ALL EDITING, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA ALL EDITS ALL 200 PAGES.
SO LET'S SAY FIVE OF US EDITED PAGE 10 AND ANOTHER CLASS ADDED TO A DIFFERENT PAGE LIGHTS.
I SEE LAUREN MAKING A STACK ALL OF THESE PAGE BY PAGE SIX ON DOWN THE LINE AND THEN TAKING ALL THE INFORMATION THAT SHE'S GATHERED FROM THAT BY THE TREND OR CONSENSUS OR SOMETHING WHERE SHE MIGHT NEED TO ADD A SENTENCE TO THAT PARTICULAR PAGE.
BUT I DON'T LIKE LOOKING AT TYPOS ARE GOING TO BE ANY TYPE OF, THAT'S GOING TO BE AN EASY FIX.
WE WILL HAVE IT ALL PROVED BRAG.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT, WELL, I'VE GOT YOU
YOU ONLY GAVE LAUREN PAGES THAT ARE CHANGED, THEN LAUREN WILL DO WE'LL CONSOLIDATE AND GIVE THEM TO US IN TERMS OF SCHEDULE.
WE I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR REACTION FOR, FOR US.
WHAT WE DID WAS DOVETAIL THAT THE TWO, UM, PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE WITH YOU, THE RIGHT, SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND START ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGES.
AND IF THE, IF THERE'S CONSENSUS THAT YOU'RE OKAY WITH A DIFFERENT DATE, IT WILL THROW THE SCHEDULE OFF, BUT THAT'S FINE WITH US AT THE TIME WITH YOU SCHEDULE OFF, IF IT MEANS GETTING IT RIGHT.
AND WE HAVE STARTED DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE, I JUST DON'T WANT US TO, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY DELAY THE COMP PLAN OR, AND THEN GET SO FAR AHEAD ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THAT THINGS DON'T START TO MATCHING UP.
IT COMES LIKE ELEPHANT BY HE'S UP TO IT OR NOT.
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ALL EVERYBODY SITTING AT THIS TABLE HERE BETWEEN NOW AND THE 31ST GET TOGETHER AGAIN, OR MAYBE PERHAPS IF IT'S POSSIBLE.WHAT WE HAVE COLLECTIVELY, MAYBE THIS WE'RE GOING TO GET TOGETHER AGAIN, PRESENT BECAUSE I THINK OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
THEY COULD COME IN AND JOIN US.
BUT I THINK WE'VE, WE COULD DO ANOTHER, JUST ANOTHER WORKSHOP WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING HERE AND PASS ALONG STUFF AND THEN MAYBE MAKE LIFE EASIER FOR YOU LAUREN LEARN.
ARE WE ALL GOING TO NEED A BIG MAT? OKAY.
AND WE CAN DO LIKE THE CHARRETTE THAT WE DID A COUPLE MONTHS AGO THAT WITH THESE MAPS, YOU GUYS CAN ALL DRAW ON IT.
AND MEET AGAIN TOMORROW, THURSDAY, ARE YOU ABLE TO GET EACH OF THOSE MEMBERS? ONE OF THESE TWO? SO WHEN THEY COME, WE'RE ALL HAVING A PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION AND THAT STARTING FROM GROUND ZERO, I SENT THEM THE LINK THAT I CAN, I CAN PRINT THEM UP LIKE OF A BINDER.
SO THEN THEY COULD TAKE OUT THEIR PAGES WHERE THEY HAD, THEY CAN COME AND THEY CAN COME AND PICK IT UP AND I'LL GIVE THEM TO THE HAT.
SO THEY MEET HERE ON THURSDAY, THAT THURSDAY HE BEEN HAVING TROUBLE.
UM, CHAD, I GUESS ON THE FRONT OF HOUSE IS GOING TO MEET AGAIN.
WE'RE GOING TO BE COORDINATING, WE GOT A MEETING NEXT MONTH.
I WAS TELLING HIM WHEN YOU'RE READY.
MARIELLA, UH, CONTINUED DISCUSSION WITH THE POWER PURCHASE PORTFOLIO ME AGAIN.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO JUMP RIGHT INTO THE PRESENTATION AND WE'LL KIND OF REVIEW EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT IN JUNE AS WE GO.
UM, OH, ALSO ON THE CALL WITH US TODAY, WE'VE GOT GARRETT COLE FROM GDS.
UM, HE'S GRACIOUSLY JOINING US FROM THE AIRPORT RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, SO IF YOU REMEMBER, WHEN WE STARTED HAVING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT SOME FUTURE NEEDS WITHIN OUR POWER PURCHASE PORTFOLIO, THAT WILL START IN JANUARY, UM, WHICH YOU SEE HERE IN THE 15% AND THE 15% THAT WE WOULD BE EXPOSED TO THE OPEN MARKET.
AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, THE VOLATILITY OF THE MARKET CURRENTLY AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP PROTECT OURSELVES AGAINST SOME OF THAT VOLATILITY, UM, TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ALSO KEEP OUR BUDGET IN LINE.
SO THIS SLIDE HERE IS GOING TO BE, UM, DIFFERENT.
OKAY, WELL, I HAVE AN UPDATED ONE THAT I CAN
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SEND YOU GUYS.OH NO, THIS IS THE CORRECT ONE.
I'M SORRY, THIS LIGHT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE YOU HAVE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET.
AND THAT IS SIMPLY BECAUSE GARRETT WAS ABLE TO UPDATE THE MARKET NUMBERS BASED OFF OF TODAY.
AND THE ONE THAT I SENT YOU WAS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE 9TH OF AUGUST.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW VOLATILE WE'RE AT, WE'RE TALKING
UM, SO IF YOU REMEMBER, WHAT WE HAD ASKED GDS TO DO WAS LOOK AT, UM, SOME OF THAT OPEN MARKET EXPOSURE THAT WE WOULD HAVE AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO SPREAD THAT COST OVER THREE YEARS SO THAT WE HAVE LESS OF AN IMPACT IN 2023 TO HELP STABILIZE OUR BUDGET BECAUSE WE CAN PLAN FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, IF THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE, BUT OUR BUDGET FOR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR IS ALREADY SET, RIGHT? SO THE IDEA WAS TO, UM, HAVE GDS LOOK AT ALL THE NUMBERS AND COME BACK WITH SOME APPROPRIATE SIZING PRODUCTS AND THEN GET THE INDICATIVE PRICING, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE OVER HERE.
SO WITH THAT THREE YEAR HEDGE CONSIDERATION, THE IDEA IS THAT A SINGLE TRANSACTION FOR MULTIPLE YEARS, UM, PROMOTES THE PRICE STABILITY, WHICH I JUST MENTIONED AND BLENDING THE 20, 23 PRICING, WHICH WE'RE EXPECTING TO BE EXTREMELY HIGH.
UM, WITH LOWER VOLATILITY DELIVERED DELIVERY YEARS COULD CREATE MORE ATTRACTIVE PRODUCTS FOR THE BITTERS.
UM, AND THEN ALTHOUGH IF IT IMPROVES PRICE, STABILITY, FLUCTUATIONS FROM CHART PROJECTION BELOW MAY STILL OCCUR, UM, BECAUSE WE WILL STILL HAVE SOME REMAINING MARKET EXPOSURE.
YOU NEVER WANT TO MAX OUT YOUR ENTIRE PORTFOLIO BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH POWER YOU'RE GOING TO USE FROM MONTH TO MONTH, RIGHT? SO THERE'S GOTTA BE A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM THERE.
UM, AND THEN THERE COULD ALSO BE FUTURE CHANGES TO CAPACITY, TRANSMISSION AND OTHER PJM COSTS.
SO THIS GRAPH HERE IS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT THE OVERALL IMPACT TO OUR POWER PURCHASE BUDGET COULD BE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE BLUE BARS REPRESENT WHERE THE MARKET IS, THEN THAT WOULD BE WORST CASE SCENARIO OF THE MARKET GETS EVEN HIGHER THAN, UM, WE'RE HOPING.
AND THEN THE THREE-YEAR BLENDED PRICE WHERE IT WOULD PUT US VERSUS IF WE CONTINUE TO JUST BE OUT ON THE OPEN MARKET FOR THAT 15% OF OUR PORTFOLIO.
THAT'S MY LAST SLIDE, BUT I ALSO INCLUDED A DRAFT RESOLUTION IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, WHICH IS GOING TO SHOW YOU, UM, WHAT THE PRODUCTS LOOK LIKE.
AND THE MAIN PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT'S MISSING FROM THERE IS THE PRICING.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL TODAY TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THE MOST ACCURATE NUMBER THAT WE COULD.
UM, SO GARRETT, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD AT ANY POINT, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO PIPE IN, BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND LET COUNSEL NOW.
SO WE'RE AT WHAT WE'RE, WHAT GS IS PROPOSING IS THAT WE GET SEASONAL PRODUCTS.
SO IT WOULD BE JUST BLOCKS OF POWER FOR SPECIFIC SEASONS.
SO THE JANUARY, FEBRUARY, AND THEN DECEMBER TIMEFRAME, AND THEN JULY AND AUGUST, UM, IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY, AND DECEMBER, IT WOULD BE SIX MEGAWATTS.
UM, AND THEN IN JULY AND AUGUST, IT WOULD BE FOUR MEGAWATTS, BUT THOSE WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR THE PEAK TIME.
AND THE UP TO PRICING THAT'S RECOMMENDED BASED OFF OF WHERE THE MARKET IS TODAY IS GOING TO BE $94 AND 35 CENTS PER MEGAWATT, WHICH SOUNDS REALLY HIGH.
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS JUST ONE SMALL PIECE OF THE POWER PORTFOLIO.
AND WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS JUST GO OUT ON THE OPEN MARKET BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO.
AND, UM, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT.
UM, I'M JUST WANTED TO ADD IN THAT, UH, UM, THE 15% OF THE 94 35 IS 15% ABOVE INDICATIVE PRICE LEVELS.
AND WE HAVE THAT IN THE, NOT TOO, IN THIS CASE, THERE'S A TRANSACTION WITHIN COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL PER VIEW, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET THE LOWEST PRICE THAT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY GET.
UM, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALLOWING UP TO 94, 35 WHERE WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN.
BUT WITHIN REASON, IF THE MARKET IS AT WHERE IT IS OR LOWER, UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CONDUCT THAT TRANSACTION WITH SOME BANDWIDTH THERE.
SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE SOME VAN THERE SO WE CAN GO CONDUCT THAT.
BUT, UH, IT IS 15% HIGHER THAN
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ON JULY MY QUESTION.SO LIKE THE BLUE, LIKE I TOTALLY GOT LIKE THE SOLID BLUE AND THE RED, YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY OR NOT CURRENTLY, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE MARKET IS NOW.
AND THEN THE RED DIAGONAL LINES IS THE HIGH MARKET, WORST CASE SCENARIO.
YOU SAID THAT THOSE ARE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, RIGHT? SO CAN WE ASSUME THEN THAT, THAT DOTTED LINE IS THE DOTTED LINE IS THE, IN CASE OF THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, RIGHT? CAUSE THAT DOG GOES ON THING THERE, RIGHT? CAUSE WE KNOW THE IDEAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY LESS THAN 20, 23, BUT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN MARKETING 20, 24 AND 2025.
AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE MAKING THAT DECISION IS SO THAT WE CAN STABILIZE OUR BUDGET INSTEAD OF HAVING A BIG SPIKE IN OUR CURRENT YEAR BUDGET, WE CAN PLAN FOR THE NEXT COUPLE FISCAL YEARS KNOWING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THAT ALL RIGHT.
SO, BUT THE RED DIAGONAL, JUST MAKING SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WORST CASE SCENARIO, RIGHT? RIGHT.
WE COULD STILL STAY IN THAT BLUE.
OH, SHE GO DOWN IN A PERFECT WORLD.
BUT THE IDEA IS THE RED DIAGONALS ARE THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
I SAID, WELL, ACTUALLY YOU REALLY CAN'T TRULY PREDICT IT COULD BE WORSE.
THIS WOULD BE OUR TOTAL, THE TOTAL, OUR TOTAL SPENDING FOR OUR WHOLE BUDGET.
BECAUSE I, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE SOLID RED LINE IS JUST THE PRICING AT AN INDICATIVE PRICE.
AND THEN THE RED DASH, WHEN IT'S JUST, IF IT, LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE BACK, WE'RE GOING TO STAY IN THE BLUE VERY LONG.
I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO ASK THIS QUESTION.
UM, SO I HAD THIS CONVERSATION CONVERSATION WITH EGA AND REALLY UNTIL, UNTIL WE'RE IN IT, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DEFINITIVELY SAY BECAUSE ALL OF THIS IS BASED OFF OF PROJECTIONS.
OUR HOPE IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH OUR RATE, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR RATES.
BUT, BUT I CAN'T SAY THAT FOR CERTAIN, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WORST CASE SCENARIO.
I MEAN, I, WE, WE DO HAVE, UM, WITHIN OUR RATE STRUCTURE, WE HAVE A KILOWATT HOUR CHARGE, WHICH WE WOULDN'T WANT TO CHANGE WHEN WE CAN'T CHANGE WITHOUT HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING AND COUNCIL APPROVAL AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE, WHAT'S CALLED THE PCA.
I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE ACTUALLY DROPPED OUR PCA RATE BACK IN MARCH.
UM, SO ALL OF OUR CITIZENS HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN A DECREASE IN THEIR PCA IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE WOULD MAYBE HAVE TO INCREASE THE PCA.
HYPOTHETICALLY, IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO EXCEED WHERE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
WELL, THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE.
CAN YOU RAISE THE RATES?
UM, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE PCA RATE WAS SOMETHING LIKE, WAIT TWO, THREE, IT WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME OR YEAH, IT WAS OVER 2 CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR.
AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO DROP IT DOWN TO A FLAT ONE.
WE DROPPED IT DOWN IN MAY BY MAYBE LIKE A QUARTER OF A CENT, WHICH DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT.
BUT IF YOU'RE USING A LOT OF POWER THAT DOES, THAT DOES THAT UP.
SO, BUT IT DOES GIVE US SOME WIGGLE ROOM, UM, WITHOUT HAVING TO IMPACT OUR CITIZENS TOO MUCH, WHICH IS HOPEFUL.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DO THAT EITHER.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE CAN'T DEFINITIVELY SAY UNTIL WE GET, WE GET INTO IT A LITTLE, THANK YOU.
THE COST OF EVERYTHING ELSE GOING UP.
OF COURSE, A LOT OF OUR PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, YOUR OWN BIG STATE.
I'LL SEND THE, UM, FINALIZED RESOLUTION WITH UP TO PRICING TO TINA FOR YOUR AGENDA.
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OH NO, NO.GOT TO HAVE THE HEIGHT MARKERS.
CAN YOU COME? I'M GOING TO SEE YOU SATURDAY.
SO TONIGHT WITH ME, I THOUGHT PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT ALL OF THAT DONE, BUT THIS IS JOHN WHERE HE'S THE DEPUTY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
MY FLOOR IS NOW TRANSITIONED TO BEING THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE OFFICIAL CODE ENFORCEMENT.
HEY, YOU'RE MY NEW FAVORITE PERSON.
I'LL BE CALLING YOU EVERY DAY.
SO PART OF THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT, I THINK STAFF WAS REALLY LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AS TO, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE STARTING UP OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
WELL, NOT REALLY A QUESTION, BUT I'D LIKE TO FOCUS MORE ON THE ABANDONED HOUSES AND THEN ONES WHERE PEOPLE ARE RENTING.
AND I DID LOOK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, SO I MIGHT SKIP AHEAD A LITTLE BIT, BUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS ON THERE, I DON'T SEE AS CRIMES.
SO I DIDN'T REALLY COUNT THEM.
LIKE I HIGHLIGHTED THE ONES THAT I DID AND I'VE WORKED AT A HOTEL BEFORE.
SO HAVING A MANAGER ON DUTY 20, LIKE AROUND THE CLOCK, EVERY SHIFT IS NOT FEASIBLE.
NOBODY CAN AFFORD THAT UNLESS THE PERSON'S LIVING THERE, NOT EVERYBODY LIVES AT THE HOTEL.
UM, AND THEN I'M ALSO WORRIED.
DO WE HAVE NUMBERS ABOUT HOW MANY FAMILIES WOULD BE DISPLACED IF WE DIDN'T FEED THEM? THE DOG, IT'S NOT, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH DSS AND I'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION FROM THE SCHOOLS, RIGHT? BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED THAT THESE PEOPLE ALREADY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO, SO YOU'RE GONNA HOOK IT OUT.
IF YOU'RE LUCKY AND YOU HAVE A CAR OR ELSE YOU'RE HOMELESS, AND NOW YOUR KIDS ARE TAKEN FROM YOU BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING STABLE FOR THEM.
I THINK ABOUT IT AS A LOT OF THESE MOTELS THERE, THEIR RENT, I MEAN, THEY PAY BY THE WEEK, BY THE TIME THE MONTH IS UP, THEY'RE PAYING 1500, $2,000 A MONTH IN RENT.
BUT SEE, THE DIFFERENCE IS WHEN YOU GO TO THE HOTEL, THEY DON'T CHECK YOUR CREDIT.
YOU MIGHT HAVE BAD CREDIT AND YOU CAN KIND OF, YEAH, THERE'S SOME, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER ABOUT THE, SOME OF THE OFFENSES THAT WE WERE LIKE, ONE PERSON COMPLAINED ABOUT NOISE, BUT MY QUESTION TO KALE REGARDING THAT WAS GOING TO BE HOW MANY OF THOSE COMPLAINTS TURN INTO SOMETHING CRIMINAL? CAUSE LIKE, JUST LIKE WITH, SORRY, JUST LIKE WITH THE TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS OF THE NEW LEGISLATION HAS REMOVED PLAY.
A TAIL LIGHT TYPICALLY WOULD LEAD TO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT NOW YOU CAN'T STOP FOR THAT.
SO I WAS JUST THINKING MAYBE THE NOISE COMPLAINTS ARE LIKE, THEY'RE SIGNALING, LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING WORSE GOING ON, BUT THIS NOISE COMPLAINT IS ALL I CAN MAKE.
YOU KNOW? SO I HAD TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S AN OFFICER UP THERE NEARLY EVERY WEEK.
THEY'RE TOP ON THE LIST, BUT THEY'RE MORE ENGAGED OUT BY BAYMONT NOW
SO, SO BUDGET HAS APPARENTLY GOTTEN SOME NEW MANAGEMENT AND THEY, WE, WE ARE NOT THERE NEARLY AS MUCH AS WE USED TO DO MANY MONTHS, THE, THE NEW, NEW TOP DOG AS FAR AS WELL NOW THEY MOVED ALL THE SECURITY GUYS OUT OR NOW THE FED RATS ARE TAKING, IT WAS ROCKED WHEN I WAS PLAYING THE RESTAURANT.
IF YOU HAD FAMILY AND FOR A WEDDING OR WHATEVER, THAT'S WHERE THEY STAY.
THAT'S WHERE THE KIDS AND THEIR PARTIES.
I JUST WANTED TO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT PART OF THIS, I, UH, I JUST FULL DISCLOSURE.
SO I COUNSEL YOU GUYS KNOW THIS, BUT IN OUR DML MAGAZINE, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE, UM, RETRYING POLICE CHIEF FROM ASHLAND AND TALKING ABOUT HE HAD HOW HE HAD WON THIS AWARD
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THROUGH VML BECAUSE OF, UM, A PROJECT, SOMETHING THEY HAD STARTED IN THIS SHOULD EVER WHATEVER.AND SO THEN, UM, SO HE DID LIKE A PRESENTATION, HAIL AND LAUREN.
HOWEVER, IF YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THIS STUFF, NOT A LOT OF IT, BUT THE STUFF THAT WAS RELATED TO THEM, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL THAT, THAT I HAD.
AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SHARED THAT COUNCILMAN THOMPSON SHARED WAS THINGS WERE THINGS THAT HE EXPRESSED THAT WHEN THEY FIRST BROUGHT SOME OF THESE THINGS UP TO THEIR COMMUNITY AND ASHLAND, THOSE WERE EXACTLY THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.
LIKE WHERE ARE PEOPLE GOING TO GO? AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND WHAT, UM, WHAT I LOVED ABOUT THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU SHARED WITH US IS, IS THAT HE STARTED IT OFF WITH, LET ME TELL YOU HOW WE STARTED IT.
AND THEN HE SAID, THEN IT W THEN HE SAID, BUT I WOULDN'T DO IT THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY STARTED IT OFF ONE WAY.
AND IT GOT A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM PEOPLE WITH THOSE TYPES OF CONCERNS.
THEY ALSO HAVE CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS WE'VE SEVERELY LACKED HERE.
HE WENT TO A CHURCH TO TRY TO GET THEM TO HELP IN THEIR LIGHT NEGATIVE.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT'S WHAT HE HEARD.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE THE THINK COMMUNITY.
SO THEY STARTED A 5 0 1 C3 AS A RESULT OF THEIR ADDITIONAL, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS, SO IT HAS STARTED OFF WHERE THEY BROUGHT IT UP AND THEN WHAT THEY REALIZED IS, IS THAT WHAT, WHAT THEY REALIZED IN ASHLAND WAS THAT THEY, THE, THEY NEEDED TO GET ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS TOGETHER AND DISCUSS THINGS FIRST, WHICH INCLUDED DSL AND JUST ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
SO, AND THEN, LIKE YOU SAID, OUT OF IT, UM, OUT OF THIS WHOLE INITIATIVE WAS BORN AN ACTUAL NONPROFIT THAT STARTED ADDRESSING AND TRIED TO HELP PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T HAVE A, A STABLE HOME AND WERE LIVING IN A HOTEL TO TRY TO HELP THEM.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE EASY, BUT, UH, BUT IT ADDRESSED SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THEY, THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO ALSO GAVE $10,000.
AND WE HAD AN ISSUE WHERE WE HAD TO ARGUE FOR $5,000 FOR DRUG COURT.
SO
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO STARTING.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OVERNIGHT.
SO IF WE WERE AT
AND IN MY ESTIMATION, IT'S KIND OF TAKE THE TEMPERATURE AND SEE IF YOU GUYS HAVE AN APPETITE FOR A PROJECT SUCH AS THIS, BECAUSE AS WE'VE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE DATA, IT'S PRETTY DIFFERENT FOR US.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM A POLICE STANDPOINT, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE, THAT ASHLAND WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 30, 30.
WE HAD 14,000 CALLS IN ONE YEAR JUST TO THE HOTELS.
40 OF THEM WERE TO ONE HOTEL AND THAT MADE IT 30% OF THEIR POLICE CALLS HERE, PUT A NUMBER HERE A LITTLE LESS THAN PERCENT.
SO THEY HAD CLOSE TO WHAT? 16,000 TOTAL POLICE CALLS, ALMOST 600 OF THEM WERE TO DEMOS HOUSE.
SO MY PROBLEM, NOT NECESSARILY A PROBLEM.
I UNDERSTAND IF THE CALL, SO LIKE ON HERE FOR EVERY INC ACCOUNT FOR DRUGS, THERE'S ALSO DRUG SURVEILLANCE.
WELL, THE DRUG SURVEILLANCE PROBABLY LED TO THE DRUG ARREST.
AND THEN LIKE CONSENSUAL ENCOUNTERS.
I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT ALONE, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A CRACK NECESSARILY.
I JUST DON'T WANT THE, IS IT THE PATTERN? LIKE IF SOME THERE'S PEOPLE STUMBLING AROUND THE PARKING LOT AND THE COPS STOPPED TO CHECK ON THEM.
SO THIS MIGHT ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
ONE THING THAT I DID, RECOGNIZING THAT THERE WERE A MILLION DIFFERENT TYPES OF CALLS, I KIND OF BROKE IT DOWN TO DOMESTIC, UH, DRUGS AND SEX OFFENSES, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE ONE OF THESE NINE 11 HANG-UPS.
SO DOESN'T THAT LEAD TO A SHOOTOUT.
THERE WERE FIVE HANGUPS AT HAMPTON IN OTHER TOWNS, LIKE THE HOTELS IN A POLITE WAY, RIGHT.
LATASHA THAT HOTELS, AREN'T YOUR PRIORITY FOR THE APPETITE? I SAID MINE EITHER.
I WAS JUST GOING TO GET STRAIGHT TO THE POINT OF WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO, UNFORTUNATELY, THOUGH, THE PEOPLE SEEM, OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR.
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CONCERN OR QUESTION WAS THAT I'M SEEING IT MORE AND MORE IN THE NEWS OF PORT ROYAL SPECIFICALLY, I'M SEEING THAT.AND MAYBE IT'S JUST BEING COVERED MORE BROADLY, BUT I'M NOTICING A LARGE TREND IN THE CHILD TRAFFICKING BUSTED OIL, AND WE CAN DO THOSE EVERY DAY IF WE HAD TIME.
AND SO ONE OF OUR MOST RECENTLY THAT WAS IN THE NEWS, IT WAS A WELFARE CHECK AND THE MOTHER HAD TRAFFICKED TO A MAN FROM FLORIDA AND THEY WERE LIVING IN THE HOTEL AND FOR A ROYAL.
SO I, I DO THINK THAT HELPS YOU STAY ON OUR RADAR AND WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS THEM.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I'VE ALSO BEEN CALLED THE HOUSES WHERE, WELL, FOR THIS TOO, AS WE'RE WRITING REWRITING THE ZONING ORDINANCE, IF WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES TO, SO YOU'RE SAYING NOW AT THE TIME THAT WE NOW, LIKE, AS I'M GIVING SOMEONE A LIST OF CHAPTERS THAT WE WANT TO BE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, NOW'S THE TIME TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT IT.
SO MAYBE WE DON'T, WELL, NOT REALLY THINK ABOUT IT.
WE DON'T HAVE, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF NOW TO HANDLE RIGHT.
THE FULL BOAT LOADS PROGRAM THAT THEY DID, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN START PUTTING THE PIECES IN PLAY HERE.
SO THAT'S GOING TO START WITH MAKING SOME AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND, AND, UM, LIKE PARENTS NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
OR WE LIKE LIMITING, YOU KNOW, LONG-TERMS OR BASICALLY IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WE WOULD SAY THAT HOTELS CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE SAY FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS, AND THEN NO MORE THAN LIKE 90, UNLESS THEY'VE GOT LIKE A WORK, UH, SOME TYPE OF LIKE, UM, WHAT WAS STOPPING THEM FROM MOVING A FAMILY TO ANOTHER.
I MEAN, IF YOU GET IT FROM ONE HOTEL TO RIGHT, AND THEN LIMITING, LIKE, UM, PUTTING A LIMITATION WHERE THEY CAN'T STAY IN THE SAME HOTEL, UH, AFTER 30 DAYS, THEY CAN'T STAY IN THERE FOR SIX MONTHS.
LIKE WE CAN PUT LIMITATIONS LIKE OUT LIKE THAT.
OH, THEN STAFF WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENFORCING THAT YOU GET A CONTRACTOR TO COMING IN FOR THE COUNTY OR A STATE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THERE'S A CERTAIN, THERE'S A CERTAIN SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE TO BE UTILIZED FOR EXTENDED, STAY FOR THE, WHAT DID IT ALSO DO? I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE STAYS.
I REALIZED THAT THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE WOULD FOCUS ONE, BUT ISN'T THE IDEA TOO, THOUGH, THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE THINGS THAT SAID THAT THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE INSPECTED BY, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, UH, HEALTH DEPARTMENT THINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT HAS COME OUT AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, IN FACT, AT THE LIAISON MEETING, IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT BOOKS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, I DON'T THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
SO UNDER PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, COCKROACHES, OR WE CAN'T TOUCH BEDBUGS, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE IF WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THAT WHOLE IDENTIFYING THE STAKEHOLDERS PORTION, WE NEED TO WORK WITH SOCIAL SERVICES WITH THE COUNTY, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA NEED TO FIRE MARSHAL.
NATHAN BEAM'S OFFICE WILL BE THE REMEDY FOR ANY PROPERTY MAINTENANCE VIOLATION THAT, UM, MONICA ISSUES, SORRY, I'M GOING TO BE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE FOUR PEOPLE APPARENTLY.
SO BEDBUGS ON THE ONE HAND THEY HAVE BEEN BOOKS SO BAD AT ARMS. THEY'RE THE CLOSE RESCUE DIRECTORIES.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF BEDBUGS IS NECESSARILY A REASON, LIKE YES, THEY SHOULD DO PEST CONTROL.
HOWEVER, I HAVE A COMPLETE ISSUE WITH TELLING FAMILIES THEY HAVE TO MOVE BECAUSE THOSE FAMILIES ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BOUNCE AROUND AS LONG AS THEY CAN BOUNCE AROUND WITH TEAMS. THESE KIDS ARE SHIFTING THAT'S NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, HOW MANY RENTAL PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW DID WE HAVE IN FRONT PORTAL? AND DOES THAT MATCH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING TERM? ALSO THESE CALLS DON'T NECESSARILY COME FROM LONG-TERM RESIDENCES.
THEY CAN BE CALLED COMING FROM ANYBODY.
LIKE I WORKED AT A HOTEL WHERE A GUY DROVE THUNDER FROM CONNECTICUT.
HE HAD TOLD HIS GIRLFRIEND THAT HE KILLED HIMSELF.
I'M NOT FAULTING YOU FOR YOUR DATA.
I'M JUST SAYING YOU CAN'T LOOK AT THE LONG-TERM RENTERS AND SAY THEY ARE THE ONES CREATING ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS. CORRECT.
AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY RENTALS AROUND HERE.
REALLY? MAYBE ONE OR TWO, WE CAN GO ANYWHERE.
THE, UH, MOTEL OWNERS, UH, UH, LIABLE FOR SO MANY OFFENSES OCCURRING AT THEIR, THAT WAS MY THING.
IF YOU OWN AND OPERATE, SORRY, LAUREN, I'M MORE.
AND I THINK THIS IS A STATE OF VIRGINIA THING.
I WAS A BARTENDER FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
AND YOU HAD SO MANY CALLS FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT OR SO MANY DOMESTICS, ALSO PATIENTS LIKE YOUR LICENSE WAS REVOKED FOR A WEEK OR HOWEVER LONG IT TOOK TO INVESTIGATE IT.
I MEAN, I THINK ULTIMATELY THAT'S ONE OF THE BARS ON SOUTH STREET.
MY CONCERN WITH THAT ONLY IS THE MANAGERS AND SAY, WHEN YOU COME IN, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, CALL ME FIRST AND I'LL DETERMINE IF WE NEED TO CALL 9 1 1.
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KINDS OF THINGS.THERE'S KIND OF CHANGING THINGS WITH.
WELL, WE HAD A BODY TURN UP IN A ROW.
I MEAN, I'M JUST GOING TO THROW THIS OUT THERE, JOHN BELL.
YOU GOT, I REMEMBER THERE WAS A PRESS RELEASE.
HE WENT TO THE HOTEL OVER HER.
HOW DID YOU NOT KNOW YOU HAD A REFRIGERATOR MISSING IN THE MOST? ELEANOR SAID, LISTEN, MAN, I OPERATE AT, I WON'T CUSTOMIZE A CRAPPY MOTEL.
I WOULD NEVER KNOW ANY OF THAT.
SO HE'S NOT GOING TO THOSE ROOMS. HE DOESN'T CARE.
BUT I'M SAYING, I THINK HOLDING THE OWNERS TO SOME SORT OF STANDARD, WHAT AND HOW WITHOUT NECESSARILY FARMING, WE ISSUED LIKE UNDER PROPERTY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S HOLDING THE OWNER ACCOUNTABLE.
THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY HOLDING THE YEAH.
BUT I THINK OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, TO GO TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN FIVE CALLS IN A MONTH TO ONE LOCATION LIKE THAT, AFTER THAT THEY SHOULD START PAYING FOR THE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TIME THAT THE OFFICERS THAT HAD THE DRUGS ASSIGNMENTS, WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DISCUSSED WAS NUMBER OF OVERDOSE.
EITHER THAT EITHER THAT, OR JUST TAKING MAY HAVE A FINE, LIKE SAY A $500 FINE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, EVERY, EVERY ONE AFTER THAT, IT GOES UP, WELL, A WELFARE CHECK IS THE HIGHEST.
I COULD BE HIDING OUT AND YOU START LOOKING FOR ME AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE TAKE ALL THAT.
HE'S LIKE, DON'T SEE IF SHE SAID, WE KIND OF BROKE IT DOWN TO DOMESTIC DRUGS AND SEX OFFENSES.
I THINK THE NUMBER OF THOSE WAS ABOUT 15% OF THE AVERAGE CALLS.
THAT'S NOT NEAR WHAT ASHEVILLE WAS DEALING WITH.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO NO, RIGHT ALONG I, 95, 2, BUT ONE THING I DID WANT TO, I WANTED TO MENTION SOMETHING THAT LATASHA SAID THAT I THINK, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN IN MY, IN MY, MY DAY JOB, WE DO DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, IN SITUATIONS LIKE SHE MENTIONED CHILDREN THAT ARE LIVING IN HOTELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THE THOUGHT, THIS THOUGHT NEVER CROSSED MY MIND UNTIL THAT FORMER POLICE CHIEF MENTIONED SOMETHING IN THAT PRESENTATION.
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY POWERFUL WHEN HE SAID THAT THEY HAD CHILDREN THAT WERE LIVING IN A HOTEL.
BUT BECAUSE THERE WAS REALLY NO KEEPING UP WITH WHO WAS NEXT DOOR, THEY COULD LITERALLY BE IN A ROOM NEXT DOOR TO US NEXT TO THEM.
AND SO, SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN AND PROTECTING THE CHILDREN AND GIVING THEM SOME PLACE TO LIVE, YOU KNOW, STABILITY OF NOT BOUNCING FROM HOTEL TO HOTEL, LIKE THAT KEPT POPPING UP IN MY HEAD.
BUT THEN WHEN HE SAID THAT, IT WAS JUST KIND OF LIKE, WHOA, I WOULD NOT HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IN A PLACE WHERE THE MANAGER WHOEVER'S CHECKING THEM IN, ISN'T MAKING SURE WHO'S THERE AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE KEEPING IT DECENT ENOUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTY AND KEEPING IT SAFE.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT HURTS CHILDREN TO, YOU KNOW, IT PUTS THEM IN, IT COULD
WE GO TO THAT CLASSROOM AND SAY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING DIFFERENTLY? AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS WHEN I LOOKED AT THESE NUMBERS, THE ONE PLACE THAT BARELY HAS ANY CALLS, LIKE IN MY HEAD, I'M LIKE, WHY IS THAT? WELL, THAT'S NUMBER OF ROOMS, RIGHT? NO.
AND I'M, UM, I'M ACTUALLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT PARTICULAR PLACE.
AND, UM, AND SO I GUESS WHAT I'M THINKING IS, IS THAT, THAT TO ME TELLS ME THAT IT CAN BE DONE IF THEY ENVIRONMENT COULD BE A PLACE WHERE ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS AREN'T GOING ON, BUT WHAT IS IT THAT THEY'RE DOING? AND MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT.
BUT IF WE HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY WOULD IMPROVE THEIR IMPROVED THEIR ESTABLISHMENT.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT SAID, IT, YOU KNOW, THE LAW SAYS THAT THEY CAN'T, I'M WRONG.
DOESN'T THE LAW SAY YOU CAN'T CHECK IN SOMEBODY THAT IS UNDER THE INFLUENCE AND OR THAT, WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THAT? WHAT WAS THE CODE? WELL, MAYBE IT WAS WHAT ASHLYN WAS TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK, YEAH, THE LEDGER SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY TRACKING WHO WAS STAYING THERE, THEY ALSO MADE IT SO THAT PEOPLE UNDER 18 HAD TO BE ACCOMPANIED BY AN ADULT.
UM, AND THESE, WHAT ABOUT ILLEGAL ACTIVITY? I READ IT, LET ME LOOK FOR IT WHERE IT WAS BASICALLY
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SAYING THAT THEY HAD TO, I COULD HAVE SWORN THAT.THAT'S WHAT IT SAID, THAT IT WAS ALLOWING ORDINANCES.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT IS THAT? THE TENANTS OF THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE SIDE OF IT WOULD ONLY AFFECT THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT THE RENTERS CAN BE HELD RESPONSIBLE IN THE, OKAY.
IT WOULD DEPEND IF YOU'RE INVITED AT THE END OF THE PROPERTY, IF YOU'RE INVITED INTO THE PROPERTY DOING INSPECTION AND MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
AND IF YOU FIND YOU CAN HIT FIND ISSUES WITH THE BUILDING ITSELF, THE OWNER, IF YOU CAN FIND AN INDIVIDUAL AT FAULT, WHEN YOU'RE INSPECTING, YOU CAN FIND THE PERSON THAT WAS IN VIOLATION FOR CERTAIN ISSUES.
ALSO THE LIVING CONDITIONS, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
I THINK THIS THOUGH, ONE THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOTELS, MOTELS, LIKE, LET'S BE HONEST, THIS THAT'S NOT AS LOUD, HER ONLY ISSUE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT LATASHA WAS OUR BIGGEST ISSUE.
NO, I'M SAYING NO, BUT, BUT THE SAME PHILOSOPHY FROM OF THESE THINGS TO APPLY TO SOME OF THESE OTHER PLACES IN TOWN WHERE THEY NEED TO BE INSPECTED, OR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, RENTALS THAT TAKE UP OR HAVE JUST AS MANY POLICE CALLS FOR ADDRESSES,
AS A SIDE NOTE, I LIVE IN A TOWNHOUSE, THE SEX OFFENDER AROUND THE CORNER AND YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, WATCHING MY KID.
BUT IF I'M IN A HOTEL OR A HOTEL, OH, I'M DEFINITELY WATCHING MY KID.
LIKE YOU CAN'T JUST SAY THAT YOUR KIDS IN DANGER, BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN A HOTEL, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE LEVEL PARENTING TOO.
HE WAS WATCHING HIM AS LONG AS YOU LIKE, JUST GROWING UP, LIKE EVERYBODY FED.
I THINK IT WAS MY SENIOR YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL, LIKE FOUR FRIENDS I HAD IN SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL OVERDOSE IN ONE HOTEL IN ONE YEAR.
IT'S EVERY TIME I DROPPED BY THERE UNTIL THE COPS GOT THERE, I'M LIKE, WELL, SOMEBODY OVERDOSE WITH A LOCAL PERSON.
SO THESE AREN'T CALLS AND MY EXPERIENCE BEING BORN AND RAISED HERE, THEY'RE NOT PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING AND STOPPING BY AND STAY THE NIGHT AND SHOOTING OFF OR BEATEN SOMEBODY TO DEATH.
IT'S LOCAL PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THAT.
BUT ARE WE FACILITATING IT BY NOT ADDRESSING THE NEEDS? IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A QUESTION.
IT'S NOT A, I'M JUST ASKING IT OUT LOUD.
DO YOU ALL? BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME TO ME AND SAID THINGS, THEY'RE IDEAS THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A DRUG PROBLEM.
AND, WELL, I KNEW THAT THE OWNERS NEEDED TO BE HERE, HOLD ACCOUNTABLE.
SO THE, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WE COULD DO SOME MORE WITH MOTELS AND HOTELS.
THEN WE CAN ASK THEM, I KNOW
I MEAN, WE WERE THERE AND SHE, SHE WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM.
NOW THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN A NEW MANAGER THERE.
BECAUSE WE USED TO HAVE A LIST OF OFFENDERS.
LIKE IF THEY DID CERTAIN THINGS, WE JUST DIDN'T RENT TO THEM ANYMORE.
AND MARTINSBURG GOT TO THE CODE.
SO NOBODY TAKE THIS AS AN ID, BUT THEY KNOW, THEY WON'T RENT TO ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN MARTINSBURG.
CAUSE WE LIKE HAD A BACHELORETTE PARTY WINCHESTER.
WE COULDN'T RENT A HOTEL ROOM WITH PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN WINTER.
SO THE PROBLEM THERE COMES, IT'S NOT JUST THE FUNCTIONAL HOMELESS, BUT YOUR HOUSE BURNS DOWN.
THAT'S THE PART YOU HAVE TO COUNT ON THE PERSON AT THE FRONT DESK.
LIKE THE HOUSE I CAN GET BEHIND, UH, AN ORDINANCE WITH DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL ON LEVIES.
LIKE I SAID, UM, TO THE OWNER, I MEAN, I COULD GET BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK IF THERE'S A PENALTY ITSELF, YOU'RE GOING TO BE MORE LIKELY TO COMPLETE MORE, MORE SUBJECTIVE, WHOM YOU RENT A ROOM TO YOU.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE ANYBODY.
I HAVE ONE, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE FAMILIES GET TO WHERE I'M NOW.
UM, SO I SAID, I COULD GET BEHIND THAT ASPECT OF IT.
UM, SO YOU TO PASS SOME SORT OF LEVIES OR THE AMOUNTS OF CALLS THAT WE GET THERE.
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I SAID, MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'LL BE SOME JACKETS TO RENTING AND YOU MIGHT HAVE TO.I MEAN, AND IT SHOWS, I MEAN, SO IF, UH, IF, IF SOMEBODY ODS DON'T FIND THEIR BODY INTO THE HOTEL ROOM FOR LIKE THREE DAYS OR SO, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT'S NOT GOOD MANAGEMENT.
WELL, I DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE I'VE STAYED IN HOTELS.
AND THE FIRST THING I DO IS PUT INTO THAT DISTURB UNTIL I'M GONE.
I MEAN, I KNEW IT
THAT'S WHEN THE THAT'S WHEN THE, UH, THE RECOGNITION OF WHAT HAD OCCURRED IN THAT ROOM CAME TO BE REALLY ALL ABOUT TAKING PEOPLE TO THE HOSPITAL THAT HAVE OVERDOSED AND NOT BEING.
SO I HAD A FRIEND THAT WAS LEFT IN A HOTEL LIFT, BUT IT WAS DAYS HAD GONE BY, YOU KNOW, HE'S BRAIN DEAD.
AND, BUT HE WASN'T TAKING, IT WAS LEFT AT THE HOTEL CAUSE HE WOULD'VE BEEN CHARGED IF HE WAS DROPPED OFF AT THE HOSPITAL.
SO I DO SEE WHERE THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE WE REQUIRED.
SO AT THE HOTEL WHERE I WORKED AT AND MANY OF THE HOTELS AND RESORTS I'VE GONE TO, IT SAYS LIKE, YOU CAN PUT YOUR, DO NOT DISTURB SIGN ON, BUT AFTER EVERY FEW, LIKE THREE DAYS, I THINK IT IS SOMEBODY HAS TO GO IN, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN TELL THE MANAGERS, YOU NEED TO CHECK IN ON THESE ROOMS EVERY DAY, YOUR TRASH AFTER THREE DAYS.
BUT I MEAN, YEAH, BECAUSE THEY WOULD SAY YOU CAN REFUSE HOUSEKEEPING RIGHT UP TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS.
AND THEN IT WAS LIKE NOT COUNTED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR THAT PROGRAM.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE MOU IN PLACE.
SO WE HAVE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE A DELIGHTED FOR THE SPOTLIGHT TO BASEMENT TWO SEPARATE THEN.
SO ONE IS THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
SO THAT IT'S UNDER THE BUILDING CODE IN 2018.
AND THEN THE BLIGHTED PROGRAM IS UNDER A SEPARATE SECTION OF THE STREET DOWN 36 MINUTES AND THE CHILD CODE, UM, WITHOUT THAT APPEALS FOR, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING YET.
SO WE EITHER GET OUR OWN APPEALS BOARD OR WE GET, WE WORK WITH THE COUNTY THERE'S WE HAVE TO, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION, THAT'S THE FIRST STEP.
UM, CAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT'S ALL IT'S GOING TO TAKE IS, IS THAT APPEALS BOARD AND THE APPETITE OF COUNSEL, LIKE I'VE SAID MANY TIMES AND WE CAN GET RID OF ALL THESE BUILDINGS.
WELL, THE THING IS WITH THE LIGHT IT BUILDINGS.
SO WE CAN GO AND WE CAN PUT A PLACARD ON THERE AND SAY IT'S FLIGHTED, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
COUNCIL'S THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE MAKING THE DETERMINATION.
THIS BUILDING NEEDS TO BE RAISED THEM ALL.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE ON COUNCIL.
WELL, WE'LL MEET EVERY MONDAY.
I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE IT WAS SUPPORTING THAT.
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAINTENANCE ON BUILDINGS AND BLIND AT BUILD A BUILDING WITH PAINT PEELING OFF OF IT.
THIS STUFF THOUGH, FALLING OFF OF IT.
THAT IS NOT A BLINDED BUILDING MAINTENANCE.
I WENT OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER AND SAYING, HEY, I THINK YOU'D NEED TO TAKE YOUR, UH, YOUR OVERHEAD.
YEAH, NO I THINK THE TALENT TRIED THAT YEAR WAS GOOD.
HE HELPS YOU WITH SO YOU DON'T, OR YOU'RE SAYING BY COUNCIL, YOU DON'T WANT ANY VIOLATIONS FOR MAINTENANCE OR BUILDINGS IF IT'S, IF IT'S BAD.
WELL, IF IT AFFECTS THE, IF IT AFFECTS THE HABITAT OF THE HOUSE AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE OPERATION, TH THIS, THIS IS HOW THE MAINTENANCE CODE WORKS BASICALLY.
SO YOU HAD TO EITHER GET INVITED IN TO DO AN INSPECTION AND THE INTERIOR OKAY.
SO IF NOT, THEN, THEN THE STRUCTURE HAS HAD ISSUES ON THE OUTSIDE.
IF IT HAS SIGNIFICANT ISSUES ON OUTSIDE, YOU BUILD A CASE TO GET A WARRANT, TO GO IN THE INTERIOR WHERE YOU'RE INVITED INTO THE INTERIOR AT THAT.
RIGHT? SO YOU CAN, AT THAT POINT, DEPENDING ON THE STRUCTURE, IT CAN BE DEEMED UNFIT FOR UNSAFE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT IS NO WATER, NO ELECTRIC SANITARY CONDITIONS.
THE OTHER ONE HAS STRUCTURALLY THAT'S UNSAFE, RIGHT? MAINTENANCE CODE CAN ADDRESS ALL THOSE ISSUES.
IF THE BUILDING THEN IS DEEMED UNSAFE, THE BLIGHTED PORTION WOULD COME IN FROM THE TOWN CODE.
AND I THINK A PERFECT DESCRIPTION
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OR EXAMPLE OF THAT, EVEN ITS PROPERTIES FOR SALE AT SIXTH STREET HOUSE.AND IT SAYS IN THE FIRST SALE THING THAT YOU CAME TO GO IN IT, LIKE YOU BUY THAT
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S LIKE A HEALTH THAT YOU CAN'T GO INTO WITH DEFINITELY FALLING HAT.
AND IT HASN'T BEEN JUST BY EXAMPLE AND DEFINITION, PROBABLY NOT LIKE YOU CAN'T WALK IN THE HOUSE, LIKE IT HAS SAID HAS STRUCTURAL ISSUES.
BE LIKE, SHIT ABOUT YOUR BAND AGENT IS GOING TO BALL OUT INTO THE STREET THAT SAYS, WHY THIS BUILDING UNSAFE
THE HOMEOWNER'S GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY, PROVE IT.
BUT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO GET AN ENGINEER TO GO IN TO PROVE IT BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN PROVE IT.
AND THEN WHO DOES THE THAT'S MY NEXT QUESTION.
CAUSE I JUST DEALT WITH THIS WITH THE COUNTY, THE TREE FELL, SOMEBODY ELSE'S HOUSE.
THEY CALLED THE COUNTY AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD UNDER THEIR CODE FALL UNDER THE BUILDING CODES INSPECTION.
BUT THE BUILDING GOES, PEOPLE TOLD THEM, CALL AN ENGINEER AND LET US KNOW WHAT THEIR REPORT SAYS AND WHO PAYS FOR THAT OWNER PROPERTY.
SO THEY APPEAL, THEY CAN APPEAL IT THROUGH THE APPEALS BOARD AND WHATEVER PETITION APPEAL WAS, BOARD RECOMMENDS OR A BONDS.
IT THEN IF YOU, THEY SAY, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE AVENUE BLIGHTED AND THAT'S WHERE TOWN COUNCIL WAS STEPPED IN, YOU KNOW, SO A BUILDING CAN BE, THE WIND IS KNOCKED OUT.
THAT IS NOT A BLINDED BUILDING.
THERE ARE CRITERIA THAT HAVE TO BE MET FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND MAKE THAT.
SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING TO YOU LAUREN, IS THAT WE HAVE THE APPETITE FOR THIS WORK.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM YOU GUYS ON HOW TO EFFECTIVELY DO THIS.
AND DIFFERENTIATE IT BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK WE'RE MOST SPECIFICALLY INTERESTED IN PROPERTY MAINTENANCE THAT INVOLVES RESIDENCES, WHERE PEOPLE ARE MAYBE RENTING OR LIVING OR WHATEVER.
I THINK UNSAFE LIVING CONDITIONS WITH CHILDREN IS OUR PRIORITY OVER SADIE'S HOTELS.
I DON'T WANT TO START WITH THE HOTELS.
I'D RATHER START WITH THE MARKING IMMEDIATE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, ESPECIALLY THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WE KNOW OF HAD LIKE 200 CALLS IN A YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ACTUALLY, WHEN WE DO, IF WE DO LOOK AT THE HOTELS, MOTELS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVED, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE CODES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT ALSO I'M JUST GOING TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST.
WE TALK ABOUT BEAUTIFICATION OF OUR AREA, EVERY ENTRY TO THE TOWN OF FRONT ROY IS MARRED WITH SOME OF THESE PLACES THAT, THAT, I MEAN, BE QUITE FRANK.
WOULD ANY OF YOU HAVE YOUR FAMILY, IF YOU INVITED YOUR FAMILY TO TOWN FOR A FAMILY REUNION OR A WEDDING OR WHATEVER, WOULD YOU SAY, HEY, THEY'RE HERE.
BUT MY TAKE MY
RESIDENTIAL IS PRIMARY AND MY CONCERN AS WELL, HOWEVER, WHILE WE'RE UPDATING ALL THE ORG MORE AND SAYING, WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE INITIATIVE WHILE WE'RE ALREADY DOING RIGHT.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IF SOMEONE
THEY HAD FIVE TO 10, BUT NOT DISPLACE A FAMILY LIKE 5% IN THEIR ROOMS, WHICH MEANS IN SOME CASES THAT MIGHT BE TOO LITTLE.
SO LAST YEAR'S DATA, THERE WERE 95 FUNCTIONALLY HOMELESS STUDENTS.
AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST PUBLIC SCHOOLS HERE.
THERE ARE 95, THERE'S MET THE MCKINNEY-VENTO HOMELESS ACT.
THE
THEY CAN BUST THEM FOR A WINCHESTER.
UM, ONE OF THEM WERE ACTUALLY STUDENTS, MORTON COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THEY CAN PRINT 21 WERE CONFIRMED.
THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A COMPLETELY ACCURATE NUMBER, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY WERE TRACKING AT THE TIME.
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THEY WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH.SO, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, THAT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS COIN.
I MEAN, YOU GO DOING THIS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE NOTHER, YOU KNOW, DISPLACEMENT OF FAMILIES, YOU KNOW, THE ASHLAND MODEL, THEY WERE ABLE TO TO START THAT 5 0 1 C3 THAT HE PARTNERED WITH THE MINISTERIAL ASSOCIATION, I THINK THERE IS A GROUP RIGHT NOW IT'S ALREADY STARTED AND LAUNCHED AND
LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HIGH RIGHT.
SO ORDINANCE IS NOT IN LINE WITH STATE CODE IN THAT REGARD.
AND WE REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMITS FOR SOMETHING THAT NOW THAT OUR, WHEN DID THAT BECOME THE CASE, IT WAS, I THINK THEY'D PASS IT IN 2020 OR 2021.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE TOWN.
OH, THE TOWN ART OR THAT SECTION OF OUR ORDINANCE, HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED SINCE LIKE 22,700.
BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR IT.
AND THEN EVERY TIME SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN, EVEN IF IT'S NOT
SO WHY ARE WE RIGHT? WE'RE JUST GOING ABOVE.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, I MEAN, THESE OTHER KINDS OF THINGS THAT THE CONSULTANT AT SUMMIT IS CATCHING AS THEY'RE REDOING THEM.
SO THEY'RE AWARE OF ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WILL BE CORRECTED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CODE IS CONSISTENT WITH STATE CODE.
THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE THE TOWN HOLISTICALLY GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
SO, UH, I'M READING HERE OUT THE STATE CODE AND I'M NOT LIKE PROPERTY NAMES MEANS ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL OR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE FOR IMPROVEMENT THAT IN DANGEROUS TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE, BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE OR IMPROVEMENT UPON THE PROPERTY IS DILAPIDATED, DETERIORATED OR VIOLATES MINIMUM HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDARDS OR ANY STRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT PREVIOUSLY DESIGNATED AS BLIGHTED PERSUADED TO VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 36 49, 1 POINT.
THAT'S THE EXACT DEFINITION WE HAVE IN CHAPTER NINE OF OUR, OKAY.
SO I TAKE THAT AS STRUCTURALLY.
BUT IF A BUILDING IS SITTING ON THE CORNER RIGHT IN THE WAY THAT IS A BLIGHTED BUILDING, WITHOUT QUESTION, AND WITH THAT ORDINANCE THAT WE HAD PASSED, THAT GIVES THE TOWN THE ABILITY TO COME IN.
AND FIND THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I WILL ORDINANCE AS BLIND NOW THERE'S UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IN THE CODE.
WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THE HOMEOWNER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER A PLAN SAYING, LOOK, YOU NEED TO FIX THIS.
THEY CAN SEND IT BACK INTO US.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND WE LOOK AT IT AND APPROVE IT AND EVERYTHING'S FINE IF WE GET NO RESPONSE OR WE DON'T, OR THEY DON'T TAKE ACTION, THEN THE TOWN CAN GO IN AND PASS AN ORDINANCE, NAMING THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND BLAKE, WHICH WE CAN EITHER RAISE THE BUILDING, CHARGE IT TO THEM AND THAT'LL BE ON THEIR TAX BILL.
AND THAT'S HOW THIS PROGRAM WORKS.
I MEAN, IT'S ALL WRITTEN OUT IN THE STATE CODE ON HOW YOU CAN DO THIS.
I TAKE THAT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS THOUGH.
JOHN, YOU'RE SAYING JUST STRUCTURALLY, BUT I, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE WAS, THERE'S BEEN BUILDINGS THAT I'VE SEEN IN A LOCALITY WHERE I WORK.
THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TAKEN THIS COURSE OF ACTION AND WERE SUCCESSFUL.
RIGHT? SO I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT LIKE PAINT COMING OFF OF WALLS, GO BROKEN WINDOWS, BOARDED UP BECAUSE THAT'S A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
THE BUILDING WAS DETERIORATED.
IT ALSO, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN HAD IN-STATE COVID POWER WAS TURNED OFF TO THE BUILDING FOR, FOR MORE THAN HALF.
THE, THAT WOULD NOT BE UNSAFE.
THAT WOULD BE UNFIT, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, CODE MAINTENANCE.
THAT WOULD BE ON HER PROPERTY MAINTENANCE FOR UNFIT.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT YOU HAD, I DON'T UNDERSTAND JOHN.
WELL, ONE LOCALITY CAN, CAN GO THROUGH AND GET THIS AWAY.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU HAVE A BLINDED ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE A GLIDED ORDINANCE AND WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE ORDINANCE WITH THE MAINTENANCE ORDINANCE GIVES YOU MORE LEVERAGE FOR THE TRAT PROPERTIES, MAINTENANCE ISSUES.
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THE UNSAFE BUILDINGS.STRUCTURAL DAMAGE DEFINITION IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU'RE EXPLAINING.
UNDER THE BLINDED, IT HAS TO BE, IF YOU LOOK UP THOSE PART, THAT WOULD BE DEEMED UNSAFE, EVERYTHING PUT INTO THAT WOULD BE DEEMED UNSAFE.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO MAINTENANCE AND UNSAFE IS BLIGHTED.
W IF WE'RE USING IT, BOTH OF THOSE BLIGHTED IS NOT RECOGNIZED IN THE MAINTENANCE CODE.
SO BLINDED DOES NOT RECOGNIZE.
AND THE MAINTENANCE CODE, YOU HAVE UNDERBID AND UNSAFE IN THE MAINTENANCE CODE, AND THEN YOU HAVE BLIGHTED IN THE BLIGHTED ORDINANCE, BUT IT'S KIND OF DEEMED, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO DEFINITION, UNSAFE, WE ARE GETTING AT AS MAINTENANCE IS WHAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THE BLIGHTED.
WE GOT THE BLINDED BUILDING, GIVES YOU THE AVENUE TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDINGS.
AND I KNOW A LOT OF PLACES LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO GO AND SAY, LOOK, I THINK YOU NEED TO PAINT YOUR HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES IN TOWN THAT, THAT ARE DEFINITELY NEED SOMEBODY TO GO INTO THEM.
AND LOOK, I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNSEL DIRECTOR, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE OUT TO BEAUTIFY THE TAN ON THE OVERALL FOR THESE ISSUES WHERE YOU HAVE STRUCTURES THAT ARE UNIFYING AND HELPING THEM OUT, ARE YOU GOING TO IMPROVE THE TOWN THAT WAY? OR ARE YOU JUST GOING TO GO AFTER THOSE STRUCTURES THAT ARE DEEMED BLIGHTED? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
HOW IS THE DIRECTION HERE AS A CONSERVATIVE, I'M JUST GOING TO LAY IT OUT.
AND EVERYBODY KNOWS MY FEELINGS ON THIS.
I HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME WITH TELLING SOMEBODY, HEY, YOUR BUILDING'S UGLY.
OR THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO WITH IT.
THE GOVERNMENT'S INVOLVED ENOUGH.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF AN OCCUPIED PROPERTY, THAT'S WHAT I'M AFTER.
SO I THINK PROPERTY MAINTENANCE IS WHAT ME PERSONALLY, I HAVE AN APPETITE TO GO AFTER LIKE COUNSELING GILLESPIE WOULD LIKE TO GO AFTER BLADED.
AND FOR ME, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS A PRIORITY.
AND SOME OF THOSE OCCUPIED ONES COULD VERY WELL BE STRUCTURALLY SOUND TOO.
AND WE HAVE THAT ONE HOUSE AND CHIEF KNOWS WHICH ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT GETTING DEAD PERSON ON THE ROOF.
YOU'VE GOT A DOG THAT GETS TO GO OUTSIDE ON THE ROOF.
THAT'S HOW IT GOES TO THE BATHROOM OR WHATEVER.
IT GOT BROKEN WINDOWS THAT GOT A NUMBER OF THINGS, RIGHT? UM, THE BLIGHT PROPERTY, A HAMMER GOES AFTER THE ONES THAT ARE JUST STANDING THERE AND NOTHING'S BEING DONE WITH THEM.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO SAY, IF I WANT TO BUY UP A BUNCH OF PROPERTY AND JUST OWN IT AND NOT DO ANYTHING WITH IT? WELL, WHEN IT SAYS, WHEN IT SITS LIKE THAT FOR SO MANY YEARS, THAT'S THE ISSUE.
I MEAN THAT IT RIGHT ON, RIGHT? I JUST FEEL, I AGREE.
AND I, LISTEN, I I'VE BEEN ON RECORD SAYING ACROSS MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BRIDGES TO PEOPLE PLAYING FROGGER ACROSS A FOUR LANE ROAD FROM THE HOTEL BEFORE THEY BUILT THE SHEEP, THERE WERE KILLING PEDESTRIANS WHO WERE PLAYING FROGGER.
BUT FOR ME, I'M LOOKING AT IT AS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
NOT, YOU KNOW, IF I WANT TO GO BUY UP ALL THESE BUILDINGS IN THE CORRIDOR AND LET THEM SIT IN THE GRASS AND WHATEVER ELSE, I, I DON'T FEEL LIKE, DO YOU HAVE A BOARDED UP BUILDINGS AND DOESN'T HAVE ANY ELECTRICITY OR ANYTHING IN IT.
YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH A PROBLEM.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE BREAKING IN AND SLEEPING IN THERE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE RODENTS, YOU TO HAVE EVERYTHING IT'S GOING TO CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS AROUND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE BUILDINGS LIKE AN IN TOWN.
AND IF THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING WITH THEM, AND I THINK IT'S UP TO US TO MAKE THEM DO SOMETHING OR LET'S DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
SOMEBODY
YOU DON'T WANT TO PAINT THEIR HOUSE, BUT YOU WANT TO TELL THEM IF THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT TO MAKE IT PRETTIER.
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NOT FALLING DOWN.
THEY'RE JUST STRUCTURAL ISSUES WITH A TREE GROWING THROUGH IT.
IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE IT'S ALL BOARDED UP.
SO IF YOU WERE TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO A HOUSE, IT WAS ALL BOARDED UP IN THE BUDDY.
WHAT IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE? THAT'S YOU? WHAT IF IT DID THREE AMERICAN CITIZEN? I HAVE A CHOICE WITH WHAT I DO, RIGHT? BUT LET'S SAY YOU MOVE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT HOUSE
I DON'T THINK HE HAS GIVEN DIRECTION.
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LET ME SAY PUBLIC SAFETY AND HEALTH IS MY CONCERN.NOT UGLY VERSUS PRETTY PUBLIC SAFETY AND HEALTH.
AND THAT'S, UH, THAT WOULD BE APPLIED TO BUILDING THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, NOT A BLIGHTED ISSUE.
WELL, THAT'S ALL I THAT'S ALL I WANT TO ADDRESS.
AND THEN
OR CHRIS, YOU DON'T GET A VOTE FOR THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
THEY'RE BLINDED HER BOW, LAURIE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE BLINDED HER BOAT.
I NEVER GOT TO SAY ABOUT THOSE.
UM, I WOULD GO WITH BOTH, BUT I DO NOT WANT IT AS SOMETHING THAT MAKES PEOPLE GO, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WHAT I'M SAYING ABOUT MAKING A HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER, JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T TO, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT WAS DONE BEFORE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE AMBER AND I ARE TALKING ABOUT MAJOR HEALTH ISSUES.
IF THEY'VE GOT A HOLE IN THE ROOF AND THEY CAN SEE THE DAYLIGHT OUTSIDE OR THE MOONS.
THEN THAT CAN GET MOVED TO FLIGHT IT.
AND THE TOWN COUNCIL WILL TAKE ACTION ON THAT TYPE OF STRUCTURE.
PRIOR TO THAT WOULD GO FOR US IN PORTSMOUTH AND THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM, I'VE ARGUED THE POINT YOU WANT TO DO BLIGHTED BUILDINGS IN AT THAT TIME, IT'S DEEMED UNSAFE.
IT GOES TO THE BLIGHT OF THE ORDINANCE PART WHERE TOWN COUNCIL WAS INVOLVED.
I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I'M HEARING.
I NEED THIS TO GET DONE BEFORE I LEAVE LAUREN LAUREN, I'M SORRY, SEPTEMBER.
AND WE WORK WE'RE IN OUR SEPTEMBER WORK.
I PUSHED FOR THAT BECAUSE I REALLY LIKED THIS TO BE COMPLETED WHILE AMBER AND I ARE BOTH.
WE CAN COMPLETE IT BEFORE GARY AND I HAVE AN APPETITE TO COMPETE IMMEDIATELY.
IS THERE ANY WAY POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN WORK ON THE ONE THAT BROUGHT UP THE
SHE'S GOING TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER NEXT MONTH.
HARRY, WOULD YOU LIKE THE TOWN TO APPOINT AN APPEALS BOARD OR DO YOU WANNA USE THE COUNTY? IF THE COUNTY WOULD, WOULD BE WILLING TO DO IT FOR US? I WOULD SAY USE THE COUNTY.
I WANT TO USE THE TOWN, THE TOWN WAITING FOR AN MOU FROM THE COUNTY SINCE MAY EXACTLY USE THE TOWN.
I MEAN, CAUSE I JUST WANT TO SAY WHEN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DECEMBER, YOU NEED A BUILDER CONSTRUCTION, PROFESSIONAL AND ENGINEER RECOMMENDATIONS, RECOMMENDATION
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LIKE THAT.YOU KNOW THAT WE WOULD GET HELP WITH THIS SITUATION.
BUT YET IF WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT LONG AND OUR LIAISON, ME THAT WE TALKED TO DAVID BEAM AND HE TOLD US WE DIDN'T NEED TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY JUST LAST MONTH OR THE BEGINNING OF AUGUST.
SO I THINK THIS MONTH THAT WE CAN START MOVING FORWARD WITH IT'S A HOUSE WHERE NOBODY'S LIVING IN IT.
BUT THEN SQUATTERS STARTED LOOKING AT IT AND STARTED GETTING THEIR ELECTRICITY SIPHONED OFF THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR.
WHAT DOES THAT BUT WE HAD PEOPLE THAT CAME TO US WITH THAT AND THEY COULDN'T GET THEM TO MOVE OUT BECAUSE THERE WERE NO LOCKS TALKING ABOUT.
SO THEY BASICALLY, PEOPLE JUST KIND OF MOVED IN THERE AND WERE STAYING IN THERE AND NOBODY COULD DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
LIKE WHAT DOES THAT HOUSE FALL UNDER? IS IT
THE PERSON THAT'S LIVING NEXT DOOR TO A HOUSE I'M I'M BEING, I'M BEING VERY SINCERE.
SO A PERSON LIVING NEXT DOOR TO A HOUSE THAT'S NOT OCCUPIED BY ANYBODY AND DOESN'T HAVE ELECTRICITY RUNNING TO IT HAS BREAKING WINDOWS, DOORS, THE DOOR LOCK WHEN PEOPLE START LIVING IN IT.
SO THE PERSON THAT'S LIVING NEXT DOOR THAT NOW HAS TRAN THE PEOPLE JUST COMING IN AND OUT AND POSSIBLY TAKING THEIR, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY LIKE THEM, THEIR ELECTRICITY, THEY HAVE NO, THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS WHATSOEVER.
IF IT DOESN'T HAVE WATER AND SEWER AVAILABLE, WE COULD DEEM IT UNAFFECTED.
AND IT WOULD BE A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
IT DIDN'T HAVE RUNNING WATER AND SEWER SANITARY FACILITIES OPERATING IN THE STRUCTURE HE WOULD BE BEING DONE.
WHAT IF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OWNING ART, LIVING THERE BE RESPONSIBLE, RIGHT? ARE WE GOOD? GOTCHA.
IT'S MAY NOT BE WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR, BUT IT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER.
LET'S GIVE YOU THE FACTS
YOU COULD NOT HAVE NO ELECTRIC.
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA.
IF HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG, I CAN DO IT.
I JUST AN UPDATE FROM THE LAST ITEM.
UM, JUST IF YOU CAN LOOK AT, UH, THE COVERAGE OF THE KIND OF NATION MEMORANDUM THAT WE PUT TOGETHER AND I CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION, THE HIGHLIGHTED VERSION THAT SPECIFICALLY AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING ON JULY 25TH, UH, WITH THE QUESTIONS ON WHEN THE CERTIFIED LETTERS WERE SENT OUT, UM, IT ALLOWED US, WE SENT THE LETTER CERTIFIED LETTER FOR THE SCHULTZ PROPERTY WAS SENT OUT JULY 7TH.
UH, WE RECEIVED THE CERTIFIED CARGO RETURN ON JULY 11TH, AND THEN WE RECEIVED THE SIGN EASEMENT DOCUMENTS FROM SALTS ON JULY 29TH.
SO BASICALLY FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES IS, IS, IS COMPLETED.
UM, MOVING ON TO THE FNR LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, WE SENT THE CERTIFIED LETTER AUGUST 1ST AND HAVE NOT RECEIVED OBVIOUSLY THE CERTIFIED LETTER AND RETURN, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARY TO CONTINUE WITH THE CONDEMNATION PROCESS.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU GUYS HAVE THE CONDEMNATION PROCESSES, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GIVEN THEM THE CERTIFIED NOTICE.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD CALL TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION IS ON THE SECOND
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PAGE, STILL UNDER THE BULLETS, UH, FOR FMR PARTNERSHIP, UH, THE LAST POINT THERE, UH, IT ACTUALLY, WE UPDATED IT THROUGH REFLECT THE GOOD TRADE-OFF A LETTER BY A CERTIFIED MAIL, WENT OUT ON AUGUST 1ST.AND THEN I UPDATED, UH, THE NUMBER TWO SECTION, WHICH IS THE SCHULTZ PROPERTY ROUTE TO REFLECT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL WAS AWARE OF THE UPDATE.
UM, AND THEN MOVING ON JUST TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE KIND OF NATION PROCESS AS A WHOLE, UM, IF YOU CAN GO TO MY COLOR-CODED VERSION HERE, UH, OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT, UM, JULY 29TH IN GREEN, WE RECEIVED EASEMENT DOCUMENTS FROM SALTS MOVING FORWARD.
OBVIOUSLY WE SENT THE, UM, GOOD FAITH OFFER LETTER TO FNR LIMITED PARTNERSHIP AUGUST 1ST, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE DISCUSSING IT THAT EVENING.
UM, ONCE, UH, THE ORDINANCE, THE CONDEMNATION ORDINANCE, AS OF THE PAST ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA ON AUGUST 22ND, UM, SEPTEMBER 1ST WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEND THE CONDEMNATION NOTICE OUT.
AND THEN BASICALLY AT THE 30 TO 45 DAY NOTICE PERIOD, WE'LL WRAP UP AROUND, UM, OCTOBER 17TH.
UM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DEPOSIT THE, UH, THE AMOUNT TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY WITH THE COURT, UM, OCTOBER 21ST AND THEN LOOKING AT THE END OF THE FOUR DAY PROPERTY OWNER NOTICE PERIOD, UM, TO WRAP UP ON OCTOBER 25TH.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE PROCESS AS IT, AS IT LAYS OUT, UM, IN YOUR PACKET, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE PROOF OF THE CERTIFIED MAILINGS AND SO FORTH.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, NO WITH THAT CAPTAIN.
UM, WHEN WILL CONSTRUCTION BE ABLE TO START THESE? WELL, WE ACTUALLY ARE OPENING BIDS, UH, FOR THE PROJECT OCTA, UM, AUGUST 24TH.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY PROBABLY 30 DAYS WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE CONSULTANTS TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHO THE SUCCESSFUL BETTER.
WE'LL BE AN ISSUED NOTICE TO PRE PROCEED AND SO FORTH.
SO WE'RE, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A MATERIALS.
THERE MAY BE A LAG BASED ON MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, OUR ABILITY TO HAVE, UH, TECHNICALLY TECHNICALLY ALL THIS GOES WITHOUT ANY HICCUPS, OCTOBER 25TH, WHERE IF THEY HAD ALL THE MATERIALS, THEY CAN START ON THE 21.
IF HE HAS A BITTER AND EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IN A PERFECT WORLD.
LITERALLY OCTOBER 26, THINGS COULD START IF WE HAD THE BETTER IN THE CONTRACT AND SO FORTH EXECUTED, BUT THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE TIME.
ONCE WE RECEIVED THE, THE BID, YOU KNOW, THE BID PACKAGES TO GO THROUGH AND SELECT THE, THE SUCCESSFUL BETTER.
SO WHERE ARE WE ON SCHEDULE WITH THAT? NOT ON SCHEDULE WITH THAT FROM WHEN WE ORIGINALLY SAID WHAT WE WERE GOING TO TRY AND DO, I GUESS NOT BECAUSE WE DID A LITTLE BIT OF DELAYS OR NO, WE'RE ACTUALLY, I MEAN, SINCE WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH IT, WE'RE ON IT.
WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING RIGHT ON AS WE'VE DESCRIBED IT TO COUNCIL, SO YES.
ANYBODY ELSE? UM, COUNCIL CONVENE AND GO INTO CLOSE, MEANING ONE FOR THE DISCUSSION CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER'S APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY, SPECIFICALLY TOWN MANAGER, TOWN, ATTORNEY, AND CLERK OF COUNCIL OR SLANT TO 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 8.
ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA AND TO CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL EMPLOYED OR RETAINED BY A PUBLIC BODY REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNCIL, SPECIFICALLY SUPPORT OF THE FRONT ROYAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
PERSONALLY, THE 2.2, THAT 3 7 1 1 8 8 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
IT'S MAYOR COCKREL COUNCILMAN GILLESPIE.
COUNSEL, MS. JACKSON ABSENCE ONE AND MORRIS.
I MOVED THE COUNCIL CERTIFIED THAT TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE HAS RECOGNIZED THAT EACH COUNCIL MEMBER IS AFFIRMING THE VOTE THAT ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS.
LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT THAT'S WERE IDENTIFIED.
AND THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE CLOSE MEETING BY COUNCIL AND THAT THE VOTE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND RECORDED AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF TOWN COUNCIL.
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