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[Town Council Work Session on August 8, 2022.]
TO THE COUNCIL WORK SESSION MONDAY, AUGUST 8TH, 2022.UP FIRST CLOSE MEETING PLANNING COMMISSION INTERVIEWS.
I MOVE THAT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE AND GO INTO CLOSE MEETING FOR DISCUSSION CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PERMISSION, PERFORMANCE, DIMENSIONS, SALARIES, THIS PLANNING OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER'S APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY, SPECIFICALLY PLANNING COMMISSION, TOWN MANAGER, AND TOWN ATTORNEY PURSUANT TO 2.2 DASH 3 7 11.
ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA FILING THE CLOSED MEETING.
COUNCIL MAY TAKE FURTHER ACTION IN OPEN SESSION.
THE MORRIS COUNCILMAN THOMPSON.
ARE WE READY? I MOVED THAT COUNCIL CERTIFIED TO THAT, TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE AS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL NUMBERS AFFIRMATIVE VOTE, THEN ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS.
LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE CLOSED MEETING BY COUNCIL AND THAT THE VOTE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND RECORDED AND INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF TOWN.
NO, I MOVED TO TOWN COUNCIL ACTING IN ITS SOLE AND ABSOLUTE DISCRETION.
LEISURELY TERMINATE THE TOWN MANAGER EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT DATED DECEMBER 7TH, 2020, AND THE EMPLOYMENT OF THE TOWN MANAGER.
STEVEN HICKS, WITHOUT CALLS PERSUADED TO PARAGRAPHS 11.6 0.1 M AND 11.6 0.3 A THROUGH D OF THE AGREEMENT WITHOUT WAIVING ANY RIGHTS THE TOWN MAY OTHERWISE HAVE PURSUANT TO THE AGREEMENT.
KATHLEEN
ACCORDING, ASSUMING THE OFFICE WHO SHALL HOLD THE OFFICE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS COUNCIL SHALL APPOINT THE TOWN MANAGER FOR AN AGREED UPON TERM OF OFFICE.
I RESIGNED VERY GRAY MATTER SPECIALIST.
I BELIEVE THAT COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE MAYOR TO REQUEST THE RESIGNATION OF JAMES E CORNWALL JR.
ESQUIRE AS THE INTERIM TOWN ATTORNEY
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FOR THE TOWN OR FRONT ROYAL ENTERPRISE TO HAVE AT HAND WITH WRITTEN NOTICE OF THE TERMINATION OF THE CLIENT ENGAGEMENT AGREEMENT DATED OCTOBER THE 27TH, 2021 FOR, FOR HEREBY OFF THE RATS.UM, YOUR SONNET AS INTERIM TOWN MANAGER.
UP NEXT, UH, ITEM SLATED FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS ON AUGUST 22ND.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE ITEMS LISTED? LET'S WAIT UNTIL THEY COME BACK AND SHE GOES THROUGH THAT.
SO I WILL HAVE A SLIGHT DELAY.
I CAN'T HAVE ACCESS THE AGENDA WHILE I'M ON CAMERA IS THE ONE.
SO WHEN IT GOES AWAY, I'M JUST LOOKING AT, YOU GOT AN EXTRA ONE
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FOR TO ADD THE CO PROPERTY TO OUR AGENDA.SINCE IT'S NOT PRE, IT WAS NOT ALREADY ON HERE.
SO WE NEED TO ADD IT BY UNANIMOUS.
SO SOMEBODY HAS TO MAKE A MOTION.
I VOTED FOR GARY SINCE HE READY.
THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION REQUESTING A NEW NON-EDUCATED PRIVATE STREET PERSUASION AND FOUND TO CHAPTER 1 48 DASH 8 2 0 0.118 SUBMITTED BY POEMS RIVER EDGE, LLC, AND EAGLE SCOUT, INDUSTRIAL PARK, LLC.
THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE PRIVATE STREET TO IMPROVEMENT CRAFT PARCEL LOCATED AT FIVE KENDRICK LANG PARCEL T POINT M THAT 2 0 8 1 DASH THREE DASH 5 81 AND 28 1 3 4.
THE PARCELS ARE ZONED AT TO BE ADDED TO THE EMBEDDING TO BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA DISCUSSION.
SO I THINK I ASKED THIS EARLIER PLANNING COMMISSION.
THIS HAS BEEN AT THEIR MEETINGS.
HOWEVER, THEY HAVE NOT, UH, THEY HAVE NOT MADE A MOTION PASS VOTE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AT THEIR WORK SESSION.
SO AS, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN ON AN AGENDA FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT WAS ON THEIR AGENDA.
SO HAS THE PUBLIC EVER SPOKEN OF IN A PLANNING MEETING AS THE PUBLIC HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS YET? NO.
SO WITH THAT, THIS IS ADVERTISED FOR NEXT WEEK'S PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
AND THEN ONCE YOU'RE JUST TO PUBLIC HEARING THERE, THAT'LL GO TO PUBLIC HEARING THE COUNCIL.
THIS IS SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS DISCUSSING IT THEY'RE DISCUSSING NEXT WEEK.
THEY'LL SO THEY'LL BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT.
AND AS GARY SAID, THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE REQUESTING, UM, A NEW PRIVATE ACCESS ROAD.
OH, WELL, WE'RE STILL IN DISCUSSIONS OF YEAH.
YOU'RE NOT REALLY DISCUSSING THE ITEMS. EMOTIONS, VICE MAYOR COCKREL YES.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PLAN AND THE AREA IN RED IS THE PROPOSED PRIVATE ACCESS ROAD.
THE ORIGINAL PORTION OF THE ROAD WAS APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021.
UM, THIS IS JUST AN EXTENSION AND WHAT THIS WILL DO IS CREATE A LOOP THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AND JUST IT'S, IT'LL BE A 20 FOOT WIDE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THEY HAVE THE, UM, BUILDING SPECIFICATIONS AT THE, AT THE BOTTOM.
THERE'S BUT STAFF WILL STACK UP VERIFIES THAT THEY HAVE MET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF, UM, 1 48 ARTICLE NINE.
SO THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR RENT THREE BEDROOMS, A LITTLE MORE THAN SIX PEOPLE.
PARKING IS PROVIDED ON SITE UP TO SIX VEHICLES.
INFORMATION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY 20TH.
CATHOLIC PUBLIC HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION.
AND THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS
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THAT WE FELT WERE NECESSARY TO POSE WITH THIS ONE.UM, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN OUR ENTRANCE CORRIDOR AND IN A FLOOD ZONE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? OKAY.
SO THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL AT 18 EAST STONEWALL DRIVE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING UP TO FOUR BEDROOMS, RENTED TO EIGHT OCCUPANTS THERE'S PARKING ON SITE FOR THREE VEHICLES IN THE DRIVEWAY.
I ACTUALLY HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY 20TH AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 20 SECONDS.
UM, STAFF CONDUCTED AN INSPECTION ON JUNE 21ST AND DEEMED THAT THE, UM, ALL THE CONDITIONS WILL BE ORDERED WITH.
I DO BELIEVE THAT WAS THE ONE I RECALL.
SHE MENTIONED THAT THEY WOULD, UH, THEY, THIS IS GOING TO BE LIKE TO A RETIREMENT HOME FOR THEM.
AND SO THIS IS JUST TO HELP THEM PAY FOR THEIR MORTGAGE UNTIL THEY CAN ACTUALLY RUN BY THERE WHILE SHE WAS SWEEPING HER SIDEWALK AND STUFF.
AFTER, AFTER I WATCHED IT ON PLANE COMMISSION, I RECOGNIZED HER.
UM, BUT, AND THEN THE NEXT SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS FOR APARTMENTS TO BE LOCATED AT SIX 50 WEST 11TH STREET THAT THIS BUILDING WAS, UM, USED TO BE HONEY AND HOPS.
THEY'VE MOVED OUT AND THERE WAS A LAUNDRY MAT THERE HE'S REQUESTING TO TURN THAT LOWER LEVEL INTO TWO, I BELIEVE, 900 SQUARE FOOT APARTMENTS UPSTAIRS ON THAT ALREADY APARTMENTS.
AND HE'S HAVE PARKING ON FLIGHT.
HE HAS 12 SPACES ON SITE AND I THINK WE ONLY REQUIRED THE PARKING IN THE BACK, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WE REQUIRE EIGHT, HE'S GOT 11 PARKING SPACES THERE.
THAT'S THE SIDE OF THE LITTLE STORE, UH, THAT THE TOP, THERE'S NOT PLACES IN THERE TO BEN'S FAMILY.
THIS IS ALL RIGHT THERE, BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
SO HE'S GOT TO, IF YOU GO AROUND BACK THE UPSTAIRS APARTMENTS, THERE'S A STAIRWAY BACK THERE TO GO UP FOR THOSE.
AND THEN THESE WOULD JUST BE COMING IN THE FRONT SOLID BUSINESS FOR THEM.
LAUREN IS DEVELOPED AS WELL WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS FROM COMMISSION OR, UM, THERE'S NO, GO AHEAD.
UM, CHAPTER FOUR IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 22ND.
THERE ARE NO CHANGES FROM THE LAST TIME YOU SAW THIS.
SO IT WAS JUST KIND OF A REMINDER THAT WE VOTED ON THIS WORD.
UM, ARE WE DISCUSSING THIS RIGHT NOW? ARE WE AT THIS? SO, UM, THE PART ABOUT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, UM, I, MY QUESTION IS THAT, UM, IT'S REALLY AN HR QUESTION.
I, I, UM, I'VE NOT HEARD BACK FROM HR.
UM, MAYBE I AM CALLED BACK, BUT, UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK BECAUSE, UH, CURRENTLY ALL EVALUATIONS ARE DONE.
UM, SO LIKE WE COUNSELED AS EVALUATION OF THE TOWN MANAGER, CLERK OF COUNCIL AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY, AND THEN ALL THE REST OF THE EVALUATIONS ARE DONE BY THE TOWN MANAGER'S POSITION.
AND SO BY DOING THIS AND WE, I, THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO HR.
SO TINA, I DON'T KNOW, WE SHOULD FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER MR. SANA TALKED TO OUR HR PERSON.
WELL, I W I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT BECAUSE I'M AWARE OF THIS ISSUE.
I DIDN'T EXPECT YOU TO KNOW IT.
I JUST WAS SAYING, I ASKED THIS QUESTION AND I BELIEVE I WAS TOLD THAT WAS ACTUALLY A, A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE, BECAUSE HOW WOULD WE DO AN EVALUATION OF PEOPLE IN A DEPARTMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, SO THAT THEN, THEN WE'D BE DOING EVALUATION FOR THREE PEOPLE AND RIGHT BEFORE THE PUBLIC
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HEARING YES.DONE BEFORE, WHEN WELL, NOT AT FIRST STARTED ON COUNCIL TOWN COUNCIL, WE'RE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE GET THE ASSISTANCE, BUT IT WAS TAKEN CARE OF BY HEALTH COUNCIL, BUT NOT HAPPY.
THAT'S NOT POINT IS, IS THAT IF, IF THAT'S HOW THIS IS, IF THIS CHANGE IS MADE, THEN TOWN COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO DO ALL OF THE STAFF AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENTS EVALUATION.
WELL, HOW ARE WE DOING AN EVALUATION WHEN MANAGING THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS WHEN WE'RE NOT HERE? RIGHT.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD WANT THAT PARTICULAR, THE PARTICULAR SECTIONS ABOUT THE ATTORNEY AND THE LAW OFFICE AND HOW THAT WORKS.
I WOULD, I WOULD WANT THAT REMOVED FROM THIS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT YOUR DAY-TO-DAY TO KNOW WHO'S HERE WHEN THEY'RE HERE.
SO I'M NOT SURE ABOUT HR, I GUESS THAT WAS, THAT'S WHAT I T ME, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ASKING? RIGHT.
WE JUST NEED A CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT CAN EVEN BE A THING.
UH, AND, AND I'M NOT A LANGUAGE OF CONTROL OVER.
UM, IF THAT'S THE RIGHT, UM, VERB WE WANT, SO EXERCISE, SUPERVISION AND CONTROL OVER WHAT ARE THE OVERSIGHT? THEY'RE ALL AGGRESSIVELY SOUND GOOD.
I CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THE FUNDAMENTALS HERE.
WHICH IS THAT THE TOWN ATTORNEY AS AN OFFICER OF THE TOWN, AND IN THAT SENSE IS SEPARATE FROM THE TOWN MANAGER MAYOR, WHO IS ALSO AN OFFICER OF THE TOWN, BUT THE TOWN ATTORNEY IN TOWN ATTORNEY DEPARTMENT IN THAT SENSE IS DISTINCT FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS OF THE TOWN.
FOR THE REASON THAT THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S AN OFFICER AND CLEARLY ANSWERS DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
WELL, THAT'S JUST LIKE RETAIL MANAGER.
I MEAN, HE HAS MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, SO I MEAN, HE'S OUR BOY.
SO HE OVERSEES THOSE DEPARTMENTS.
WE DON'T, WHAT WOULD YOU JUST, AS HE HAS PUT THE ASSISTANT YOU'RE RIGHT.
TOWN ATTORNEY, TALENT MANAGER, CLERK HAD COUNSEL ANSWERS TO COUNSEL, BUT THAT YOU HAVE TO EAT DOWN AT HER AND HE HAS THIS, I THINK IT'S CALLED DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY.
NOW, PRIOR TO THIS RECENT CHANGE, IT WAS CALLED ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY.
UM, AND I'M NOT SURE IF ALMAS POSITION AND WHAT IS, WHAT TYPE OF LEGAL ASSISTANCE.
SO LIKE, THEY DON'T ANSWER TO COUNCIL, BUT EXCELLENT.
THAT SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY.
UM, OR, OR LIKE I SAID, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
CLARIFY IT WITH LAURA TO MAKE SURE.
CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY PART THAT I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS SOME QUESTION AND I, AND I WAS TOLD THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY A GOOD QUESTION AND WE NEED TO BE LOOKED INTO, SO I JUST SAID, THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO DO.
I JUST TO STATE THE OBVIOUS, UH, IN THE CHARTER, UH, THE TOWN ATTORNEY SERVES, UH, DURING THE PLEASURE OF PARENTS.
WHICH TYPICALLY MEANS TOP TO BOTTOM APPROACH.
IF YOU NEEDED MORE INFORMATION ON THAT PARTICULAR, SECOND SEEMS LIKE THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE ISSUE OR QUESTIONS ON.
OH, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE ADDED THE ASSISTANT? TELL ME IN A JUROR HAS TO LIVE IN TOWN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT BEFORE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS IN WARREN COUNTY OR IN WARREN COUNTY.
UM, LIKE, WAS THAT THE CASE BEFORE IT WAS BROUGHT UP? OKAY.
YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT IN WRITING THOUGH, THAT ANY DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR OR ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER.
I DON'T WANT TO MAKE SOMEBODY HAVE TO MOVE LIKE TO FRONT ROYAL FROM WINCHESTER.
THEY'RE CAPABLE OF DOING YOUR JOB.
AND WE HAVE THE PAPER RELOCATIONS, PRETTY SURE.
LIKE SOME OF THEM ARE IN THE MIND AND THEY STILL MAKE IT HAPPEN.
WELL, WHAT I WAS ASKING IS WHAT I WAS ASKING.
DO WE WANT TO MOVE NUMBER FIVE DOWN TO THE SECTION THAT SAYS WITHIN A 30 MILE RADIUS? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IT CURRENTLY.
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NO, NO, NO.I'M SAYING, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT MY QUESTION WAS IS THAT THE ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER IS THE ONE, THE BOTTOM OF PAGE FOUR DASH 18.
WE CURRENTLY IN YELLOW, IT SAYS WE'RE ADDING THAT TO THE MUST LIVE IN WARREN COUNTY.
BUT SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ADD THAT DOWN TO NUMBER FIVE UNDER, UH, I CAN'T THAT'S THIS PAGE ON HOW TO TELL YOU.
YEAH, IT, YEAH, IT'S THE ONE THAT'S AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE.
AND THEN B SAID THAT THE CONDITION OF THE ACCEPTANCE OF EMPLOYMENT, AND THEN IT SAID THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BECOME RESIDENTS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES.
AND THAT INCLUDED THE CLERK OF COUNCIL OF CHIEF, OF POLICE DIRECTOR, ENERGY SERVICES, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER.
I THINK ALL OF THOSE ARE ACCEPTABLE.
EVEN WITHIN A 30 MILE RADIUS AT THIS JUNCTURE.
I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND NECESSARILY THE POINT.
I MEAN, MAYBE THE ENERGY SERVICES PERSON NEEDS TO BE CLOSER, BUT YEAH.
THAT'S WHY I CARE WHAT THE CHIEF WAS.
I DON'T MIND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF ANYONE HASN'T SEEN, LIKE IT'S REALLY HARD NECESSARILY TO GET PEOPLE.
SO IF WE START CONSTRICTING THIS INTO 30 MILES, WE MIGHT, I'D SAY WITHIN AN HOUR, I WOULD SAY AN HOUR OR 60 MILES AN HOUR DRIVE.
SO THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO REWRITE THIS WHOLE THING.
I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
I'M SAYING THAT SECTION, WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT MORE CAREFULLY.
AND NOW WE'RE SAYING A 60 MILE, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REWRITE A PARAGRAPH.
IT SAYS, WELL, HOLD ON, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
BECAUSE CURRENTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED TO SEE THAT I'M GOING TO SAY IT AND THEN SOMEBODY CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT KATHLEEN, HOW FAR OUT ARE YOU? I DON'T KNOW, BUT AN HOUR.
AND YOU MAKE IT TO WORK JUST FINE.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE MAYBE SNOW INCIDENTS ACTUALLY.
I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND LIMITING THIS NECESSARILY ONLY BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE HIRING AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY BE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE IN THAT 30 MILE RADIUS, IT MIGHT HAVE TO GO.
AND I HAD SOME COMMENTS EARLIER THAT I'VE MENTIONED, THEY WEREN'T HURT.
WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A HOUSING CRISIS IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES.
AND VIRGINIA IS NUMBER THREE IN THAT HOUSING CRISIS.
AND ANYBODY WHO'S COMMUTING TO PORT ROYAL TO WORK IS COMMUNICATE MUNI AND THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF TRAFFIC HEADED EITHER WAY 81 OR 66.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOING AGAINST THE GRAIN THERE.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE RESTRICTING OURSELVES AND LIMITING THE TOWN TO HAVE GOOD QUALIFIED STAFF BASED ON WHERE THEY LIVE.
I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S IN THE CODER.
THEY HAVE TO LIVE IN WARREN COUNTY.
THE ONLY THING WE CHANGED AS ELECTRICAL TO ENERGY AND ADDED ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER.
AND EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH TAKING OFF ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER.
AND SO THAT PERSON DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE WITH THEM 30 MILE RADIUS INTO SECTION C.
NO, BECAUSE THEN IF WE HIRE SOMEBODY WITH, UM, FURTHER OUT THAN THE 30 MILE WITH THE BOOT, THE MENDERS OR RELOCATION EXPENSES AT THAT, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT IT TO ASSUME.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? WE'RE GOING TO SAY WE DON'T CARE WHERE YOU COME FROM THESE FIVE POSITIONS.
WE DO NOT CARE WHERE YOU COME FROM.
MEANING UNDER C UNDER I HAVE D FOR WHERE ARE YOU GUYS AT? I'M UNDER B WHERE IT SAYS CLERK OF COUNCIL.
ARE WE WILLING TO PAY RELOCATION EXPENSES FROM WINCHESTER OR MARTINSBURG DIFFERENT ROYAL? LIKE I'M NOT WILLING TO DO THAT.
WELL, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO.
SO THAT, LET ME POINT, UM, I'M GOING TO SAY 60 MILES OR FOR ONE HOUR TO YOUR NOTES FROM, FROM TOWN, JUST, JUST IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION THAT, SO WE BE, AS IT TAKE OUT A SYSTEM MANAGER, PUT A SYSTEM MANAGER DOWN UNDER C AND CHANGE THE 30 MILE RADIUS TO A 60 MILE.
I HAVE A QUESTION UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY WHERE OUR CLERK OF COUNCIL HAS TO BE HERE IN AN HOUR.
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SO YOU COULD MAKE UP A CASE FOR THE CHIEF OF POLICE, BUT AT WHAT LEVEL OF CRIME DO WE HAVE TO GET TO THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CHIEF.WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE LEVEL THAT MAKES YOU COME RIGHT FROM YOUR HOME? IF YOU'RE NOT ON SHIFT? I DON'T THINK IT'S A LEVEL OF THAT.
AND SOMETIMES IF WE GET, IF WE GET A, UM, IF WE GET AN INCIDENT WHERE THERE'S AN OFFER OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING, OBVIOUSLY, UM, IF AN OFFICER'S INJURED, UM, AND SOMETIMES IF THERE'S A MORE SERIOUS, SERIOUS LEVEL OF CRIME, IT'S NICE TO BE CLOSER TO THE ONLINE.
IT MAKES SENSE FOR OUR CHIEF OF POLICE TO BE CLOSED.
I THINK IN OUR GENDER, THE SERVICE AND PUBLIC WORKS, THE CLERK OF COUNCIL, THE ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER.
I MEAN, I CAN'T THINK OF CAN ANYBODY THINK OF A TIME WHEN WE HAD TO CALL THE TOWN MANAGER AND THEY HAD TO IMMEDIATELY SHOW UP, I MEAN THE ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER, WELL, WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE BEFORE DISREGARDED MY CLASSES.
TOTALLY DISREGARD MY QUESTION.
UM, BUT I'M SAYING, DO Y'ALL WANT TO CHANGE? SEE THE 60 GARY'S IN
NOW THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF POSITIONS.
DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES AND TOWN ENGINEER, MAYBE THE TOWN ENGINEER, EVERYBODY ELSE.
I DON'T CARE WHERE THEY COME FROM AN ENGINEER.
I MEAN, DO WE HAVE, I DON'T EVEN, HE JUST SOUNDED LIKE THEY MIGHT NEED TO BE HERE.
I THINK WE CAN AGREE THAT THE THINGS THAT REQUIRE EMERGENCY POLICE ENERGY AND PUBLIC WORKS, MAKE SENSE, COUNTY ENGINEER, POSSIBLY.
AND THE REST OF IT, COUNCIL, THE CLERK OF COUNCIL, ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER, DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES CAN LIVE HOWEVER FAR THEY'RE WILLING TO IT.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT US.
I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY'S GOING TO BE WILLING TO THROW EVEN BEYOND 60 MILES.
I MEAN, IT DEPENDS ON THE TEMPORARY HOUSE.
IT COULD BE ANY NUMBER OF THINGS, BUT I'M JUST SAYING MAYBE NOT RIGHT, BUT MAYBE WE JUST DON'T WANT TO PROMOTE IT LIKE THAT.
JUST IN CASE WE CAN'T GET DIRTY.
I GOT YOU INFLUX OF APPLICANTS TO LEARN DRIVE 90 MINUTES.
AND I MEAN, THIS ALSO WILL HELP PEOPLE THAT WANT TO RELOCATE TO PORT OIL AND YOU CAN TAKE A JOB IN THE MEANTIME, WHILE THEY FIND HOUSE CYCLER UP TO DISCUSSION FOR 60 MILES, 60 MILES.
I DON'T THINK WE WERE PUTTING A MILEAGE REAL QUICK.
UM, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR IS ALSO THE TOWNS FLOODPLAIN MANAGER IN THE EVENT OF A FLOOD COME IN.
AND THAT MEANS SHE'S JUST RIGHT UP THE STREET, BUT YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN EMERGENCY SERVICES SHOULD LIVE CLOSE AND MY POWER GOES OUT.
I'M NOT GOING TO YOU, YOU GOT THE INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, TINA'S STILL WAITING FOR THE CLARITY ON WHAT IT IS.
WE WANT THESE WORDS TO SAY, WHAT I HAD WAS REMOVING ONE IN FIVE FROM B.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE STRIKING SEAT COMPLETELY WELL, BUT THEN WE NEED THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING UP IN BE WARNED.
FEMA COMES IN AND DECLARES THAT A NATIONAL AND THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN YEAH.
ARE WE REMOVING ONE AT FIVE THEN NANCY, DO YOU NEED, SEE IF YOU DON'T CARE WHERE THEY COME FROM? NO, WE'RE MOVING DIRECTOR OF PLANNING UP TO B TO C IS GONE.
SO YOU WERE ABLE TO
SEND IT TO THE ITEMS. UM, SO THE PURCHASE OF THE KENDRICK
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LANE, SUBSTATION TRANSFORMER, IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED OR IS THAT JUST NOT WHAT HAPPENED? IT'S A, THERE WAS ANOTHER PROBLEM AND YOU HAVE TO ASK MARY ELLEN AND I KNOW PROBABLY ENOUGH TO MAKE ME DANGEROUS.MARIANNE IS NOT GOING TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
CAUSE I HAD SOME QUESTIONS FOR HER, THE TYPE OF SWITCH OR THERE'S LIKE SOME SOMETHING.
YEAH, BUT THE, A, THIS TRANSFORMER IT'S ABOUT A $650,000.
UM, IT IS THE, UH, THE NEXT, UH, WE HAD THREE BEDS ON, IN FOUR MINUTES.
CAN WE TALK ABOUT THIS? UM, BUT IT'LL BE ABOUT A YEAR OUT.
UM, AND UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, UH, ANSWERING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THAT WOULD USUALLY GO IN THE DEAD OF WINTER WHEN IT'S 10 BELOW, 10 OUTSIDE ONE, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO THAT WENT OUT AND IT WAS POWER WITHOUT THIS, THAT ALL DAY LONG.
WHEN I HEARD ABOUT SUNDAY, THAT'S FIRST THING THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT TOO, BUT I KNOW THAT WASN'T THE CASE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WELL, THIS, BY ANY CHANCE IMPROVE THE FACT THAT OUR ELECTRICITY, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU WENT OFF THAT SUNDAY WENT OFF YESTERDAY.
I'M JUST, NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS ANYBODY ELSE? I MEAN, EVERY TOWN THAT LIKE THE WHOLE SQUIRREL THING, I'M LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO POISON SOMETHING.
IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVED.
LIKE YOU'RE RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
YOU GET FRUSTRATED WITH IT, YOU GET BREAKFAST.
SO THE CONTRACT CONTRACT AWARD FOR BRIDGE INSPECTION SERVICES.
UH, SO THAT'S FOR US TO GET A CONTRACTOR ON BOARD FOR BRIDGE INSPECTION SERVICES.
OBVIOUSLY THE, UM, IT'S SOMETHING REQUIRED BY VEDA AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUT AN RFP IT'S BEING EVALUATED THIS WEEK AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A PROPOSAL UP TO COUNCIL.
IT COULD BE A CONTRACT OF A FOUR YEAR, ONE YEAR OR ONE YEAR TERM.
I HAVE A KIND OF NORMAL BUSINESS COUNT THAT IS FOR MANASSAS AVENUE AND
UM, WE, UM, WE ALREADY DID MY ANALYSIS.
AND THAT, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY GOES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PAVING PLAN.
UM, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT, I MEAN THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE ALREADY HAD THE MONEY BUDGETED.
THEY COME IN, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS 450,000 HOURS THAT COME IN RIGHT THEN, WHICH IS FINE.
THAT'S A THING THAT WE EVALUATED RFPS.
WE JUST GOT THE PROPOSAL BACK.
UM, OH, WE'RE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING THAT HR PAY POINT HR, UH, PERFORM THE COMPENSATION, STAY EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK, UPDATE, UH, WITH ANTICIPATION THAT THEY'LL GET ROLLING ON THIS AS SOON AS COUNCIL APPROVES AND WE'LL HAVE SOME FIGURES BACK BEFORE WE DO NEXT YEAR'S WELL, YOU WERE CURVED GUTTER SIDEWALK REQUESTS FROM CATHY.
LEVIN'S THIS DRUG, UH, YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED IN YOUR PACKAGE, UH, WAIVER REQUESTS, 1340 CHRISMAN DRIVES THREE ITEMS ON THAT WAIVER REQUEST ONE FOR CURB AND GUTTER, ONE FOR SIDEWALKS AND ONE FOR DRIVEWAYS.
UM, SHE DID AN APPLICATION OR A LETTER STATING THE REASON SHE'S REQUESTING THESE WAIVERS, UH, TOWN COUNCIL DOES HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO WAIVE THE CURB AND GUTTER AND THE SIDEWALKS.
THERE IS NO, UH, NO PROVISION IN THE TOWN CODE TO WAIVE THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, THIS PRESENT, UH, CONDITION OF CHRISMAN DRIVE, UH, THE STREETS ONLY 14 FOOT WIDE.
IT DOES NOT NEED TOWN CODE FOUR STANDARDS OF ANY TOWN STREET DOES NOT MEET B, NOT STANDARDS.
AND, UH, WE DO NOT GET MAINTENANCE FUNDS FROM
SO SHE'S ASKING FOR A WAIVER REQUEST FOR CURB AND GUTTER, WHICH IS REQUIRED AND FOR A SIDEWALK THAT'S REQUIRED IN FRONT OF HER PROPERTY.
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CAN WE JUST LABEL THIS AS A PRIVATE DRIVE? NO, CHRISMAN DRIVE IS PART OF THE TOWN ROAD SYSTEM.WE JUST DO NOT GET MAINTENANCE FUNDS BECAUSE IT'S NOT BUILT TO TOWN OR B NOT SPECS.
WE PLOW THE STREET AND MAINTAIN THE STREET, BUT NO BEAT UP FUNDS FOR, FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
ARE WE REQUIRING THEM TO DO THE STREET UPGRADES? THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THE CURB AND GUTTER IMPROVEMENT ALONG THE WIDTH OF THE PROPERTY AND, UH, PUT A SIDEWALK IN THAT'S WHAT OUR CODE STATES, BUT THEY CAN DO A WAIVER REQUEST FROM TOWN COUNCIL.
WE CAN'T WAIVE AS THE DRIVEWAY.
WE HAVE NO PROVISION TO WAIVE THE DRIVEWAY, BUT SHE'S ASKING FOR A WAIVER OF BREAD.
THERE'S NO CURB, NO CURB AND GUTTER AT ALL ON CRISPIN DRIVE AND THOSE SIDEWALK ON THE STREET, THERE'S NOTHING WITHIN 200 FEET.
IT SAYS NOTHING WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY GOING UP OR WE'LL DRIVE WAYS WITHIN 200 FEET.
HOW MANY HOMES ARE ALREADY ON CHRISMAN DROPS? UH, THREE OR FOUR, THREE OR FOUR.
AND WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL FOR MORE HYMNS ON CHRISTMAS DRIVE? CAUSE THIS PERSON OBVIOUSLY INVOLVED THIS LOT AND IS IMPROVING IT BY BUILDING A HOUSE, RIGHT? UH, IT LOOKED ON THE APPLICATION.
THEY HAD A LOT, IT WAS NOT WITHIN TOWN STANDARDS OF BUILDABLE, BUT THEN THEY, UH, EXERCISED AND GOT PROPERTY FROM THE JOINER TO MAKE THE LOT THE RIGHT SIZE REQUIREMENT TO PUT A DWELLING ON THE LOT.
SO, SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE THERE OTHER, IS THERE THE POTENTIAL FOR MORE HOUSES ON THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT? IS COULD THIS BE A SITUATION WHERE THAT STREET WOULD EVENTUALLY HAVE SO MANY HOUSES ON IT THAT WE HAVE TO LIE TO THE STREET? HEY GRANT, THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU'RE MEETING.
WE ONLY POTENTIALLY COULD ACTUALLY STOP THE ONLY POTENTIAL WAY YOU COULD DO INCREASE ANY MORE LOTS ON THAT STREET IS FOR SOMEONE TO SUBDIVIDE THEIR CURRENT LOT THAT HAS A DWELLING ON IT.
IT COULD DAY WITH THE, THE MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENTS THEY COULD.
THERE WAS NO VACANT, LOTS OUT THERE AT THIS PRESENT DATE, BUT YOU DO, YOU DO UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING.
I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO PREDICT OR, OR BE PREPARED IF THE FUTURE THAT CAUSE, YOU KNOW, FIND A LOT OF LAND LEFT IN TOWN.
THEY COULD PROBABLY ADD AT THE MOST FOUR LOTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THOSE HOMEOWNERS ARE WILLING TO SUBDIVIDE THEIR OWN LOTS.
FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY THE MAXIMUM.
WHAT IS IT? I MEAN, WHAT IS THAT? THAT LOOKS, IS THAT JUST A GRAVEL ROAD? YEAH.
UM, IT'S I MEAN, IT DOES NOT MEET ANY STANDARDS AS FAR AS, I MEAN THERE'S NOTHING RIGHT NOW.
SO IF WE WERE TO EVER, IF THE, IF MORE PEOPLE WERE TO EVER DEVELOP ON THAT STREET, WE PROBABLY HAVE TO COME IN AND WIDEN THE STREET AND PUT CURB AND GUTTER IN ANYWAY.
AND WHEN IT QUITE A BIT, RIGHT, YOU NEED THE LEAST 12 FOOT WIDE BREACH TRAVEL LANE TO GET BEAT ON FUNDING MINIMUM 24 AND THE WATER FROM RECENT STORM.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE, IS THAT LIKE A MOSQUITO PIT? THAT'S THE REASONS SHE ASSIGNING THAT SHE DOES NOT NEED A NON ERODIBLE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF A SHEET FLOW OF RAINWATER PROGRESSING, PROGRESSING DOWN THE ROAD TO WASH OUT HER DRIVEWAY.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU WENT THE GRAVEL? LIKE, I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT NON ERODIBLE NEEDS.
IT'S NOT IRRITABLE USUALLY IS DUST PROOF CONCRETE OR ASPHALT BECAUSE THE ONLY CAUSE I HAD TO LOOK AT A FIGURE TOO WITH LIKE, ALL RIGHT, SO THEY HAVE TO DO CONCRETE OR ASPHALT.
IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING, OR DID I MISS THAT? HER DRIVEWAY AND 90 FEET? DID SHE SHOW WITH 95 TO 90 FEET? I MEAN, YOU HAVE OTHER AVENUES SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT.
IS THAT THE CASE LIKE THAT? RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU CAN USE CONCRETE PAVERS, BRICK, PAVERS.
I MEAN, NOT JUST ASPHALT AND CONCRETE.
THERE'S OTHER METHODS TO PUT IT IN.
IT JUST NEEDS TO BE WHAT WE TERM NON ERODIBLE.
WHO'S GOING TO CALL IT ANY MORE STONE OR MORE? NO, BECAUSE THERE'S A VERY LITTLE DRAIN.
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USUALLY WHERE THE DRIVEWAYS IS, IS A VEHICLE WAS, DO NOT TRACK GRAVEL OR SEDIMENT OUT ONTO THE PAGE STREETS.AND THEN ON STEEP SLOPES, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY WHERE YOU HAVE 10% SLOPE WHEN THE DRIVEWAYS, SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE HER PUT ASPHALT OR CONCRETE FOR A DRIVEWAY, BUT LOOK AT THE ROAD THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE FACTS AS BEST I CAN.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY BASE OVER THAT.
EIGHT 30 NOT HAVING TO PAY THE CURB AND GUTTER AND SIDEWALK, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
CAUSE THIS IS NOT BIG ENOUGH YET.
AND JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS OR NOT JOHN.
WHEN SHE BOUGHT THE LOT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD ON IT.
I'M PREDICTING OBVIOUSLY SHE ALREADY THAT SHE JUST BOUGHT A PIECE.
SHE BOUGHT A PIECE OF THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF HER DWELLING.
UH, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS LISTED TO PUT IT IN HER CONTRACT OR DID NOT INCLUDE THAT IN THE PRICE TO BUILD THE HOME.
SO SHE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED TO INCUR THAT COST ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE CONTRACTOR IS NOT GOING TO COME BACK NOW AND DO IT.
HE GAVE HER A PRICE TO BUILD THE HOUSE AND THE HOUSE ONLY, AND NOT THE DRIVEWAY, THE DRIVEWAY, CURB AND GUTTER.
PROBABLY SHE PROBABLY LOOKING AT $50,000 ASPHALT, ASPHALT.
AND I NEED THE CHEAPEST DRAGWAY, BUT 90 FEET, 90 FOOT DRIVE.
I MISSED THAT PART CONSERVATIVE.
WE DIDN'T REQUIRE HER TO SET THE HOUSE BACK AT THAT DISTANCE EITHER.
OR SO SHE, SHE PICKED SO SHE COULD THROW THAT OUT THERE.
SO WE'RE GOOD WITH EVERYTHING ON THAT EXCEPT FOR THE DRIVEWAY.
RIGHT? WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY.
HE MOVED THE HOUSE COULD BE 35 FOOT OFF OF THE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY HE CHOSE TO MOVE THE HOUSE BACK AT THIS.
NO 60 FEET, 30 FEET OR SO JOHNNY'S DRIVEWAY LESS THAN 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S GOTTA BE MORE, RIGHT? IT'S A, THEY HAVE A PROPOSED 20, A FOOT WIDE, UH, BASICALLY 90 FOOT LONG.
CAUSE YOU NEED TWO PARKING SPACES.
NINE FOOT WIDE, 18 FOOT LONG IS REQUIRED.
SHE NEEDS AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF 18.
ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY GOOD? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, WE'RE GOOD.
RESOLUTION ACKNOWLEDGING IS OF COVID-19 REALLY? THIS IS JUST A HOUSEKEEPING MATTER.
WHAT ABOUT THE MONKEY POX? THIS IS JUST FOR HOUSEKEEPING.
THE ORIGINAL COVID-19 EMERGENCY ORDINANCE HAD A SUNSET PROVISION THAT IT WOULD END IN SIX MONTHS.
THAT WAS BEEN AMENDED, BUT LEAVE IT OPEN, UM, FOR A PERIOD UNTIL TOWN COUNCIL TAKES ACTION OTHERWISE.
AND UH, WE ALL KNOW THAT IT'S OVER, BUT IT'S NOT.
AND SO IT'S NECESSARY TO, FOR COUNCIL TO PASS A RESOLUTION, UH, INSTEAD OF ACKNOWLEDGING, I WANT TO CHANGE THAT DECLARING RESOLUTION DECLARING THE END CAUSE THE COVID-19 COMMUNICABLE DISEASE, LOCAL EMERGENCY HOUSEKEEPING.
ALSO JUST ADD TO THAT AS THE CDC ANNOUNCED OVER THE LAST WEEK THAT GOING FORWARD, PEOPLE THAT ARE COVID POSITIVE, YOU'RE ASYMPTOMATIC, YOU DON'T WARRANTY.
AND IF YOU'RE SICK, STAY HOME, THEY'RE GOING TO TREATING IT LIKE THE FLIP.
SO BASICALLY WHERE WE SHOULD HAVE SAID YOU'RE SICK.
I NOT LIKE IT'S A GOOD TIME TO ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION.
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I WAS GONNA BRING UP THE ELECTRICITY, BUT NOBODY'S HERE.