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[Town Council Work Session on June 13, 2022.]
LIKE TO CALL THE TOWN COUNCIL WORK SESSION FOR MONDAY, JUNE 13TH.UM, TO ORDER, DO WE NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL? NOPE.
SO FIRST THING AS THE FRONT ROW, EDA BYLAW, AND I BELIEVE YOU, TWO GENTLEMEN ARE GOING TO PRESENT THAT.
DO YOU WANT TO LET ME PULL THE FLOOR PODIUM AND PICK AROUND HERE? YOU DON'T HAVE, SOMETIMES PEOPLE USE IT.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I'LL LEAN ON IT.
WE DON'T REACT TO, WE ALREADY HAD A SPECIAL MEETING.
SO COUNSEL, YOU WILL FIND, WE SENT OUT EARLIER PROMO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND BYLAWS.
AND THEY'D BEEN WORKING ON THE BYLAWS SINCE I WOULD SAY FEBRUARY WAS OUR FIRST MEETING FOR MAINTENANCE SINCE THEN.
UM, MAINLY THE CONVERSATION IS IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR EXPLANATION, NO, HIS OPPONENT IS NOW JOINING YOU ON.
SO IT'S MORE OF OPEN UP THE, IF YOU HAD TIME TO READ, UM, SOME, UH, POINTS OF IT AND THE CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIRMAN ARE HERE TO JUST ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ON THEIR THOUGHTS TO GO, BUT THE STAFF, SO I'VE ALREADY SHARED WITH MS. PRESLEY, JUST THE TYPOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I'VE ALREADY DONE THAT PART.
UM, THERE WERE TWO OTHER THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP.
UM, I THINK IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION.
SO ARTICLE FOUR, UM, ARTICLE FOUR UNDER OFFICERS, UH, NUMBER TWO, THAT IS THE TERM OF OFFICE AND THE OFFICERS SHOUT PEN DECEMBER 31ST OF THE YEAR, TO WHICH THEY'RE LIKE NEW OFFICERS SHALL BE ELECTED AT THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY OF EACH YEAR.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU GO UNDER ELECTIONS, NUMBER ONE, IT SAYS REGULAR ELECTIONS, BUT THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.
SO I'LL BE AT THE LAST REGULAR MEETING OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
SO, AND MAYBE THOSE ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS.
BUT TO ME THERE, THEY WERE, I MEAN, OFFICERS ELECTIONS.
SO I WOULD SAY, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU GUYS WANT IT TO BE? DO YOU WANT IT TO BE THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY OR THE LAST REGULAR MEETING OF THE FISCAL YEAR? UM, I THINK WE NEED TO BRING THEM IN LINE AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE ONE, ONE OR THE OTHER, RIGHT? YEAH.
WAIT, WE DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
DO THEY? OR DO THEY, NO, WE'LL TAKE IT BACK.
I MEAN, THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE EACH YEAR THEY WOULD GO AHEAD AND ALLOW THE NEW OFFICER, LIKE WE DO THE VICE MAYOR.
SO THAT WAS THE, AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN IN JANUARY.
AND THAT WHAT YOU GUYS DID THIS YEAR, YOU DID IT IN JANUARY, RIGHT? THE VERY FIRST MEETING.
HE DIDN'T KNOW ANYBODY FOR A FEW MONTHS.
AND WHAT DO YOU CALL WOULDN'T IT ALWAYS RUN IN LINE THE APPOINTMENTS.
I KNOW IT'S A FOUR YEAR THREE-YEAR JUNIOR, ONE YEAR TERM.
UM, BUT EVENTUALLY THE IDEA IS GOING TO BE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE FOUR YEAR TERMS. WOULD IT ALWAYS START IN JANUARY BECAUSE THAT, OR, OR WILL IT START WITH THE FISCAL YEAR? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS LISTED ANYWHERE, EVEN IN US CREATING IT.
I THINK THE SPIRIT OF THE DISCUSSION WAS THIS OBVIOUSLY IS AN ODD YEAR, RIGHT? SO WE, I THINK WE WERE OFFICIALLY APPOINTED IN DECEMBER.
TOOK A FEW MONTHS TO EVEN GET SOME OF OUR CHANGES INTO THE BYLAWS.
UM, BUT I THINK IN THAT DISCUSSION, RICK, WE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEGINNING OF THE YEAR CALENDAR YEAR.
NO, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE WITH THE FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MUCH OTHER STUFF GOING ON.
WELL, IN TWO THAT ISN'T WHEN EVENTUALLY THE TERMS END UP YOU'D BE, SO IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO DO IT.
THAT'S THOSE CHANGES THE OTHER, UM, PRIOR TO THE 27TH MEETING, THIS WILL BE, JUST SEND THAT OUT AND WE HAVE A MEETING COMING UP TO THIS WEEK.
SO THE OTHER THING WAS ARTICLE 10, NUMBER THREE.
AND WHAT I THINK WHAT POPPED OUT AT ME AS I WAS LOOKING AT IT WAS, IT WAS THE TALK ABOUT APPROVED BY AN ATTORNEY.
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FOR PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC IN CASE, SO IT'S LIKE ALL AGREEMENTS, ARRANGEMENTS AND INSTRUMENTS, WHICH PURPORT TO BE LEGALLY BINDING INTO WHICH BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, SHALL BE REVIEWED BY A QUALIFIED AND LICENSED ATTORNEY AT LAWS SELECTED, WERE APPROVED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL AND SHALL HAVE IT FIXED THERE TO THE SIGNATURE AND DATE BY SUCH ATTORNEY.UM, SO I GUESS WHEN I WAS ASKING THERE IS, I KNOW WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION EARLIER ABOUT THE EDA THAT TECHNICALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A SEPARATE ENTITY THAT'S I WAS LOOKING AT A SEPARATE ENTITY.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION THERE IS, IS THAT SO, SO WHO WOULD BE APPROVING THAT? WOULD IT BE AN ATTORNEY THAT THE EDA HIRES OR IS IT OUR TOWN ATTORNEY? UM, I'M I'M I WOULDN'T THINK SO BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT SHOULD.
SO THAT'S WHAT I, I JUST WANT TO KNOW, UM, WELL, THE WAY IT'S THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED NOW, BUT COUNSEL MAKE A DECISION.
WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET FOR ANY, ANY ATTORNEY STAFF RIGHT NOW THAT THE TOWN ATTORNEY IS PLAYING THAT ROLE OF SIMILAR TO THE SAME MODEL, THAT OTHER LITTLE COUNTIES.
NOW THEY COULD CHANGE THAT AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO, UM, HIRE AN ATTORNEY, RIGHT.
AND IT WILL BE COMING OUT OF, UH, THE EDA BUDGET, BUT JUST LIKE STAFF SUPPORT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THE ATTORNEYS PLAY IN THAT ROLE.
NOW THAT'S, THAT'S Y'ALL'S DECISION TO ME, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD CONTINUE THAT UNTIL WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE THERE IS SOME REVENUE AND FUNDING FROM, FROM SOURCES OF REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS, LASER STUFF, INSTEAD OF IT COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND RIGHT NOW, HOW WOULD THAT NOT BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST? THEY'RE A SEPARATE ENTITY AND THEY REPRESENT THE TEST.
WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE PLAYING THAT ROLE.
LIKE I'M PLAYING THE ROLE OF THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, SOME LOCALITIES, THAT'S HOW IT'S STRUCTURED, WHERE THEY HAVE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE MAKING THE BOARD DECISIONS ON, ON STUFF, BUT STILL THE STAFF IS DOING THE REVIEW AND THE RESOURCE AND ALL THAT OTHER AREA.
BUT WHEN WE GO TO OUR ATTORNEY FOR LEGAL ADVISEMENT, WHEN SOMETHING THAT THE EDA IS DOING, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADVISE US LEGALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING FOR THE EDA.
SO THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE OUTSIDE LEGAL TO CONSULT WITH, FOR THAT OCCURRED EITHER WAY, WHETHER THEY'RE CONTRACTING LEGAL OR WHETHER WE ARE, IT COULD GO EITHER WAY.
THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF LOCALITIES THAT HAVE THIS MODEL AND SOME HAVE THEIR OWN IT'S, IT'S BRILLIANT TO HOW THE COUNCIL AND THE FRONT ROW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS A, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE DO NEED TO HASH OUT, WORK OUT.
CAUSE I KNOW BEFORE, WHEN WE, WHEN THIS ALL CAME TO BE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS MADE VERY CLEAR TO US THAT, THAT, AND I'M FINE WITH THIS DON'T I DON'T MEAN IT THAT WAY, BUT IS THAT THEY DIDN'T ANSWER TO US.
AND SO BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY IS THAT THEY ACTUALLY WORKED FOR THE COUNCIL.
SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE IT KIND OF, WHEN I SAW THAT, I STARTED THINKING, ALL RIGHT, THAT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE, THEY WOULD HAVE CONFIDENTIAL THINGS THAT WE WOULDN'T BE AWARE OF.
AND SO AS AMBER POINTED OUT, SO THEN, YOU KNOW, UM, THE COUNTY DOES IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT THEY THEY'VE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE, THIS IS AN AWKWARD, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A REBUILDING YEAR FOR A FOOTBALL TEAM OR WHATEVER.
UM, AND, UM, WE WILL, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT ANY WAY THAT YOU WANT TO FUND.
YOU KNOW, SO WELL, JUST TO GET OUTSIDE COUNSEL, BECAUSE THEY'RE USING OUR ATTORNEYS FOR ADVISEMENT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, I MEAN, EITHER WAY THEY EXPENSES THERE.
ANYWAY, I THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME LIKE IT, IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE WHERE A FRIEDA'S DONE SOMETHING THAT'S QUESTIONABLE AND COUNSELED AS LIKE AN OUTHOUSE FORCES, BUT FROM A STANDPOINT OF ATTORNEYS REVIEW BYLAWS OR FORMS OR CONTRACTS OR AGREEMENTS, UM, THAT, THAT CAN STILL BE DONE WITH STAFF, THE, THE ISSUE WOULD BE IF THERE IS A CONFLICT OF A DEAL THAT HAS HAPPENED THAT MAYBE COUNCIL FEELS THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED, OR WAS IT PROPERLY REVIEW THAT'S DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE THERE'S, WELL, PERHAPS PERHAPS A NATURAL TRANSITION MIGHT BE WHEN WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR THAT
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ISN'T THE TOWN MANAGER.I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU'RE GOING TO AVOID BY HAVING A WHOLE OTHER ATTORNEY ON, ON ANYBODY'S PAYROLL.
UM, BUT I WOULDN'T BE A FULL-TIME STAFF TO TURN ANSWERED.
I WAS SAYING, IT'S A CONTRACT FROM THAT YOU USED AS NEEDED.
SO I MEAN, HOW HAS DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE AS WELL? BUT I MEAN, I DON'T, I'VE NEVER BEEN IN FAVOR OF HAVING THE TOWN MANAGER AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR EITHER.
I THINK THAT'S ALSO CONFLICT VENTURES.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY THAT'S WORKING FOR TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES SHOULD WORK FOR THE OTHER ONE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS ALL THE TIME FOR THIS VERY REASON.
SO LIKE REPRESENTING THE BUYER AND THE SELLER WHOSE INTERESTS DO YOU LOOK OUT FOR AT THAT POINT? I AGREE AS MUCH AS I WANT TO BE AUTONOMOUS, WE WORK FOR YOU GUYS.
HOW'S THAT BEEN DIFFERENT? SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A STARTUP BUSINESS, RIGHT? UM, SHOULD WE GO IN THIS DIRECTION? WE DEFINITELY WILL NEED TO FUND IT.
AND THERE'S ALSO MODELS THAT ARE THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT NOW, TOO.
IT'S JUST A TOUGH, IT WAS A TOUGH THING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S TWO SEPARATE THINGS.
UM, SO I DON'T, UM, MS. THOMPSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
UM, I'M MARRIED ON THAT, ON EVERYTHING.
UM, I AGREE THAT MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF PRACTICE, A SEPARATE LAWYER, OR MAYBE NOT UNTIL SOMETHING COMES UP.
SO I'M PRETTY FLEXIBLE EITHER WAY.
MY FEAR WITH WAITING UNTIL SOMETHING COMES UP IS LIKE MOST THINGS THAT HAPPEN.
I MEAN THEN HERE WE ARE, SOMETHING'S UP AND WE DON'T, WHAT'S THE THING YOU GET, LIKE YOU'RE NOT PREPARED.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S LIKE, I BELIEVE IT LEAVE SITUATION LIKE AMBER SEIBERT, SOME SOMEHOW SOMEBODY'S EXPENSE IT'S GOING TO BE PICKED UP.
UM, AS FAR AS THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST, I, I'M NOT ENTIRELY COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH NOT HAVING THE ABILITY TO ASK SOME LEGAL ADVICE.
IF YOU GUYS, FOR YOUR DOES USE THE TIME TERM, UM, IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF CONFLICT GOING ON, I MEAN, IT'S ALL ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, RIGHT? ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO SITUATIONS WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, CAN WE ASK THE TOWN ATTORNEY WHAT HE THINKS YOU GOT ANY INPUT? SO WE'LL TALK THAT GEORGE IS CURRENTLY THE DEPUTY TOWN JOURNEY.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE JIM, BUT, BUT DEFINITELY WE, WE COULD GET THROUGH THE ATTORNEY IN THE ROOM.
RIGHT? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, DISCLAIMER, I WASN'T BROUGHT IN ON ANY OF THIS.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAD THIS TO REVIEW? I'VE JUST SINCE THE AGENDA CAME OUT, I WASN'T ASKED TO REVIEW IT UP TO THIS MOMENT OR TOWN, BUT THAT SAID, I DID LOOK AT IT AND I DID LOOK AT TOWN CODE.
AND JUST AS A GENERAL OBSERVATION, I DON'T KNOW HOW AN ATTORNEY CAN REVIEW EVERYTHING THAT IS PRODUCT OF THE EDA WITHOUT GOING TO ALL THE MEETINGS AND SO ON.
UH, SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S A TREMENDOUS OBLIGATION.
I DON'T SEE IT AS SOME CASUAL, OH, JUST REVIEW THIS AND THAT AND SIGN OFF ON IT.
SO THAT'S MY GENERAL OBSERVATION.
AND MY ONLY CONCERN WITH SAYING, I DON'T WANT TO SHARE THE TOWN ATTORNEY AND I'M NOT BEING SELFISH IN THAT, BUT COUNSEL HAS A WORKING RELATIONSHIP THAT TOWN ATTORNEY WORKS DIRECTLY OR WORKS FOR COUNCIL.
AND SO WE HAVE THAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP AND I JUST THINK IT'D BE A DISSERVICE TO OUR CONSTITUENTS TO HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL, TO ADVISE US ON SOMETHING INSTEAD OF THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP ADVISOR THAT WE HAVE FOR EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE DO WITHIN THE TOWN.
SO I'M MEANING THAT WHAT WOULD YOU MEAN BY THAT IS LIKE IF THERE WAY GO TO OUR INCOME, EVERYTHING.
SO IF I SHOOT GEORGE AN EMAIL EXPLAINING MY CONCERNS AND THEN HE HAS TO GO BACK AND SAY, OH, THAT'S ACTUALLY A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE I'M WORKING WITH FREEDOM ON THAT.
LIKE I'VE ALREADY EXPOSED TO HIM A, THE PROBLEM AND B IT'S ALREADY A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE THAT CONFLICTING INFORMATION I JUST SENT IN AN EMAIL EXPRESSING MY CONCERNS.
WE HAVE A WORKING RELATIONSHIP AT ALL TIMES WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY, ABSOLUTELY UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD I WANT THE DOWN AND DIRTY THIS ROLE.
UM, FOR ONE OF THE PREVIOUS CPA WE HAD, IT WAS AN ISSUE DAN AND
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I CAN HEAR MY GOOD FRIEND, MR. NAPIER IN MY EAR RIGHT NOW TELLING ME HOW BAD THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST IT WAS BACK THEN.AND, UM, SO I JUST, I UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD, I WANT OUR FAMILY INVOLVED IN THIS WELL, AND TO ECHO THAT FREEDOM WAS STOOD UP, IT PREDATES MY TIME ON COUNCIL, BUT I THINK THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF FRITO LES TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY AND WHAT WE HAD ALREADY DONE WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE PAST THAT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES.
SO MIRRORING THOSE TYPE OF AGREEMENTS DOESN'T FEASIBLE.
AND I'M NOT, I WANT RITA TO UNDERSTAND, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO THROW A CURVE ALL HERE.
UM, AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR, I'M NOT THE ONLY PERSON THAT, THAT, THAT DREW A RED FLAG JUST BECAUSE WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO END UP IN ANY AWKWARD SITUATIONS.
NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT MR X IS SAYING.
THEN THAT COULD MEAN THAT THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, FUNDS FOR AN ATTORNEY.
I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE DO SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS DO WHERE IT'S JUST SOMEBODY ON RETAINER.
AND THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE CONTRACTS THAT THEY'RE NOT WORKING, YOU KNOW, 40 HOURS A WEEK, BUT JUST LOOKING AT IT AS I THINK THE ATTORNEY WILL, WILL ALL THOSE NEED TO BE PRESENT AT EVERY NAVY.
MAYBE THIS WAS, IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSED AT EVERY MEETING AND THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WE WILL LOOK AT CONTRACTS TO YOU.
IF WE CAN FIND THE FIRMS TO COME IN AND DO THAT.
THEY'RE LIKE, GEORGE, YOU ALMOST HAVE TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY PRESENT AT EVERY MEETING.
WHEN THE ECONOMICS TELLING THAT STORY, WARREN COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY WAS FUNCTIONAL.
WE HAD MR. NAPIER AT EVERY MEETING SO THAT WE COULD DEFER TO HIM.
AND THAT'S WHAT WAS KIND OF EXPLAINING WHAT I WAS SAYING.
THAT WE GO TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY FOR EVERYTHING.
LIKE, THAT'S OUR COMFORT BLANKET.
I MEAN, IN ANY MEETING, IF SOMETHING COMES UP, LIKE WE JUST DID, THERE'S ONE ATTORNEY IN THE ROOM WE LOOKED TO HIM.
SO I, I AGREE AT ANY TIME WHILE YOU GUYS ARE CONDUCTING BUSINESS, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT COMFORT, TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE WITHIN THE STATE CODE AND THE TOWN AND COUNTY.
WE WANT TO OPERATE THE WAY YOU WANT US TO OPERATE.
YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY IN THIS REGARD I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA SPEND MONEY TO MAKE MONEY.
AND I THINK IT'S WORTH IT WHEN YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY TO MAKE MONEY ON A LEGAL, LEGITIMATE SOURCE.
THE ONLY NOTE THAT I THINK HE DOESN'T PUT A LOT TOGETHER IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU'VE HAD, AND IT SEEMED VERY, THE STAFF PUT TOGETHER AND WE'VE MADE A LOT OF COMMENTS AND OBVIOUSLY WE MISS SOMETHING.
AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MADE US, I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF JUST, YOU KNOW, PROTECTING FREEDOM AND PROTECTING THE TOWN CITIZENS AT THE SAME TIME.
SO, UM, I MEAN THEY WERE THROWING WE'RE THROWING, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO NOT REALLY SURE WHERE TO GO WITH THAT.
CAUSE I KNOW THE IDEA IS THAT ON THE 27TH THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO, THE IDEA IS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THE BYLAWS AND THE 27TH MEETING.
IS THAT, IS THAT THE GOAL FOR YOUR TOWN MANAGER? WHATEVER.
I MEAN, WHAT IT, WHAT IT'S STATES IS IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAYS OUR TOWN ATTORNEY.
WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT WE WOULD SOMEHOW GET A ATTORNEY THAT REPRESENTS FREEDOM TO THAT IS LICENSED AND APPROVE ALL FORMS AND SIGNATURES TO STUFF.
JUST NO DIFFERENT FROM ANY OUR TOWN ATTORNEY DOES WHERE THE TOWN IN ESSENCE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT OUT AN RFP PREDICT TO REACH OUT TO FIRMS OR WHOEVER THEY FEEL, UH, TO PICK WHOEVER THEY FEEL THEY WANT TO WORK WITH.
AND THEN WE CAN HIRE THEM ON AN HOURLY BASIS OR AS NEEDED.
BUT IT'S, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY AGAIN, IT DOES SAY APPROVED BY TOWN COUNCIL.
SO I, AND I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT, I MEAN, DO YOU ALL WANT, DO YOU ALL WANT TO RETAIN THAT CONTROL? IT WAS SAYING THAT THE ATTORNEY
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HAS TO BE APPROVED.I COUNT COUNCIL OR NOT, OR RIGHT.
YOU EVER QUALIFIED LICENSED ATTORNEY AT LAW SELECTED OR APPROVED BY TOWN COUNCIL.
WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S AN OR THERE, BECAUSE NOBODY'S GOING TO AGREE.
NOT LIKE THAT IT SAYS, OR IT DOES SAY THEY CAN GO OUT AND SEEK THEIR OWN, WHICH IS WHAT I SAY ABOUT THEM BEING THERE OWN INCIDENT, NUMBER THREE, ARTICLE 10, NUMBER TWO.
I'M LOOKING AT COUNTY SHALL BE REVIEWED BY A QUALIFIED LICENSED ATTORNEY AT LAW, SELECTED BY TOWN COUNCIL AND SHALL HAVE A FIXED THERE TO THE SIGNATURE AND DATE TOWN CODE DOES NOT TAKE WORK, BUT TOWN CODE DOESN'T SAY, OR IT DOESN'T SO OR NEEDS TO REMOVED FOR THE, FROM THIS, IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL WHEN I'M ASKED WHAT, WHERE THE APPROVAL THAT WE NEED TO HAVE FIVE TOWN COUNCIL IS APPROVING THE INTERN.
SO THEY CAN SELECT A GROUP OF ATTORNEYS, I GUESS.
AND THEN IT'S APPROVED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL, BUT THAT'S ALSO, YOU ALLUDED A BUREAUCRATIC
I THINK THE MORE THAT WE RELY ON APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL TOWN CODE SAYS, BUT THE MORE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN, I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE AVOIDING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO AVOID BECAUSE WE'RE RUNNING THEM BY YOU.
THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S, THAT WAS MY RED FLAG.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S IN THE BYLAWS THAT SAYS, WE HAVE TO RUN IT BY YOU.
SO, SO YOU HAVE THE PURSE STRINGS, BUT, UM, THAT'S WHY TO SHOW THAT WE'RE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE CONSTITUENTS TAX DOLLARS.
NO, I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, NO, I HEAR YOU.
YOU WANT TO BE SEPARATE, THEN LET'S BE SEPARATE.
AND THAT, I WILL TELL YOU, RICK, YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE HAPPENING ON COUNCIL WHEN FRIEDA WAS SET UP.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS THAT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS THEN AT WHAT POINT IS THERE A CONSTITUENT INVOLVEMENT BECAUSE COUNCIL IS ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, BUT THERE'S, BUT FRIDA IS APPOINTED.
AND SO I DON'T, YOU GUYS REMEMBER WHEN THAT CONVERSATION CAME UP WITH A FORMER COUNCILMAN, THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR COMMENTS WAS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF COUNCIL DOESN'T KEEP SOME RESPONSIBILITY, WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? SOME KIND OF ACCOUNTABILITY, UM, SOME KIND OF HAND OVER IT A LITTLE BIT, THEN YES.
THE OVERSIGHT THEN IT'S LIKE A TOTALLY SEPARATE THING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, QUITE HONESTLY DIDN'T GO SO WELL GREAT.
AND TELL THEM, RIGHT, RIGHT, EXACTLY.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE WASN'T OVERSIGHT.
IT WASN'T INVOLVED, BUT I'M GOING TO DEFEND THE PREVIOUS DA FOR AT LEAST MY 11 YEARS ON IT.
SO THEN WE WERE THE ENVY OF THE STATE.
NOT, NOT, NOT BECAUSE OF ME, BUT BECAUSE OF THE TEAM EFFORT.
AND THEN THERE WAS THE BUY-IN FROM THE TOWN.
THERE WAS BUY-IN FROM THE COUNTY AND EVERYBODY WAS MARCHING IN LOCK STEP.
SO I KNOW WE HAD WHAT HAPPENED, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD DESIGN A BAD PROCESS GOING FORWARD OVERSIGHT FROM THE GOVERNING BODIES THAT WERE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE THAT YOU JUST SAID.
SO I GUESS, SORRY, LORI, ABOUT MY POSITION ON TOWN COUNCIL IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M OUT IN FRONT OF THE CITIZENS, I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YES, I'M FUNDING, FRIEDA, FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE, AND I'M OVERSEEING AS MUCH AS WE CAN OVERSEE DESPITE THEM BEING A SEPARATE ENTITY.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THERE HAS TO BE SOME OVERSIGHT IN HANDLING IT AND APPROVAL BY TOWN COUNCIL.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT IT WENT GREAT UNTIL IT DIDN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERY ELECTION CYCLE WE'RE GETTING READY TO HAVE FOUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYBE FIVE AT THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR, THOSE FIVE PEOPLE CAN APPOINT ALL NEW PEOPLE TO FRIDA.
AND THEN, SO THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGE AND IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO BE CHANGED.
SO WHEN THE TERMS EXPIRE, UNLESS SOMEBODY MOVES OR DOESN'T HAVE THEIR BUSINESS, ET CETERA.
SO THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS FOR A FULL TERM, AS WE SEE ON COUNCIL.
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THAT YOU WERE KNOWING THAT YOU WERE, YOU SERVED IN A ROLE JUST LIKE THIS WHEN IT WAS EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL, BECAUSE I KNOW, I KNOW YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WE HAVE NO, BUT I'M SAYING YOU'RE THE RIGHT, BUT YOU'RE STILL IN THE ROOM TONIGHT.I CAN'T ASK THEM, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THIS, HAVING HAD THAT EXPERIENCE, WOULD YOU, DO YOU THINK THEN THAT WE SHOULD BE KEEPING SOME OVERSIGHT OR NOT THAT I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT? MOST OF THE TIME, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
BUT I DO THINK THAT EDS WERE FORMED THE WAY THEY WERE FORMED BY THE STATE TO GIVE THE INDEPENDENCE THAT'S NEEDED IN SOME CASES, AND TO NOT GET CAUGHT UP IN POLITICS WITH CONSTITUENTS AND I DON'T KNOW, TAX REVENUE.
YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, YOU KNOW, IF I MAY.
ONE OF THE POINTS THAT I BROUGHT UP IS THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE CREATED AN ENTITY BRITA THAT OPERATES WITHIN A STATE LAW ALREADY, LIKE FUNDAMENTALLY THAT'S OUR BOUNDARY.
WELL, AS WE'VE SEEN STATE WALLS CAN AND WILL BE BROKEN.
BUT WE CAN'T ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE PAST AND I'M NOT.
AND I'VE, AND I'VE SAID THAT, BUT MOVING FORWARD HERE, WE ARE HAVING LEGAL ISSUES FOR LEGAL INTERPRETATION AND WE'RE GETTING A LEGAL OPINION ABOUT IT.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AT ITS INCEPTION, IT'S SET UP FOR SUCCESS.
ABOUT IT, BUT I WANT IT FROM INCEPTION TO BE SET UP FOR SUCCESS.
SO I DON'T EVER WANT THERE TO BE ANY BLURRED LINES AT THE BEGINNING.
NOW, I THINK THE MORE THAT WE COMPARTMENTALIZE, THE MORE WE MEET THAT GOAL, BUT THE MORE WE CROSS, YOU KNOW, THE LESS WE MEET THAT GOAL.
I MEAN, THAT'S BEEN MY, THAT WAS MY CONCERN.
WHEN I READ SOME OF THE FIRST DRAFTS OF THE BYLAWS WAS THAT, UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE MIGHT DO THAT MIGHT CAUSE HAVOC WITH THE CONSTITUENTS.
UH, I HOPE EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS EMBRACED A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT IT IS, AND SOMEBODY'S GOT TO MAKE THE TOUGH DECISION AND PUT THE BIG BOARD HANDS ON WHERE YOUR COVER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TO ME, THAT'S WHAT I CALL IT.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU COULD CALL IT MORE POLITICALLY CORRECT THINGS, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS, YOU KNOW? AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TOO OFTEN.
I HOPE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AT ALL.
EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WE DO IS VIEWED IN A POSITIVE LIGHT, BUT 80 20 RULE.
THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT GOING TO LIKE SOMETHING.
AND AGAIN, I, I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THE WORK Y'ALL DID OUT THERE, NONE OF THAT STUFF IN THAT CORRIDOR.
AND I'VE SAID THIS IN FRONT OF THAT COUNCIL FOR NONE OF THAT STUFF, THEN THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE THERE.
IF IT WASN'T FOR Y'ALL'S HARD WORK, LET'S COME, LET'S TALK ABOUT A FEW DAYS.
BUT, UH, AND, AND WE'RE LOOKING AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GREAT FUTURE WITH THIS.
AND, UH, I, UM, I SUPPORTED IT AND THAT WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.
I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M HERE TALKING TO YOU RIGHT NOW.
HE WAS DEAD SET AGAINST THIS MAN.
AND UH, HE SAID, HE TOLD ME WHAT THE HE'S.
I THINK HE FINALLY GOT ME TALKING TO HIM.
WE HAVE TRIED TO PROPOSE SOMETHING WITHOUT HAVING YET A BUDGET.
CAUSE THIS PREDATES MY TIME ON COUNCIL AND TO ECHO MR. GILLESPIE, I'LL ALSO SAY, I THINK THE FUTURE IS EXTREMELY BRIGHT FOR PORT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY.
I THINK WE HAVE A TON OF OPPORTUNITY WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU GUYS WILLING TO STEP UP AND SERVE IT.
I DON'T KNOW AT ITS FRUITION, WHAT WAS DISCUSSED FOR THIS? SO YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN MEETING SO FAR, YOU GUYS WERE APPOINTED IN DECEMBER AND YOU'VE BEEN MEETING THIS FAR WITH NO ATTORNEY OR DOES JUMPS SOMETIMES SIT IN ON THESE MEETINGS AND JIM WILL SIT IN THE MEETINGS IF NEEDED, IF NEEDED.
SO MY NEXT CONCERN IS MR. NOVAK SITTING ON AN EDA PRIOR HAD AN ATTORNEY AT EVERY MEETING, CORRECT? AS I RECALL, YES.
SO I WOULD SAY GOING FORWARD, WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT WORK.
I KNOW YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT WE WERE HIGH FUNCTIONING.
WE WERE DOING A LOT OF STUFF, RIGHT? WELL, WE CAN'T.
AND I THINK THE REASON THAT I'M, I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT MAKING THIS RIGHT FROM INCEPTION IS BECAUSE WE'RE AT A TIME IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE TRANSPARENCY IS KEY.
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OF PEOPLE LACK TRUST IN THE GOVERNMENT.RIGHTFULLY SO WHETHER IT THERE OR NOT.
SO I JUST THINK GOING FORWARD FOR THESE MEETINGS EVEN THURSDAY, I MEAN, WHAT DID WE ANTICIPATE? WE JUST THOUGHT THAT THE TOWN ATTORNEY WAS, IS JIM DOING THAT FOR FREE? THAT'S PART OF HIS, UH, SO THE WAY IT WORKS IS ONE, AND THIS IS JUST ONE YOU DON'T LEGALLY, YOU DON'T NEED A, A TOWN ATTORNEY OR ATTORNEY AT ALL THE MEETINGS.
IT WAS MORE GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER.
WE HAD JUST MORE PRESENTATION ONE-ON-ONES IT WAS MORE OF A EDUCATIONAL PROCESS.
SO WE WEREN'T MAKING ANY DECISIONS.
AND THE ONLY TIME JILL GOT INVOLVED, THE ONLY TIME AS THESE BYLAWS AND HE JUST REVIEWED THOSE AWAY FROM THE, ALL THOSE MADE COMMENTS, SENT THEM BACK AND, AND STOPPED WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING AN ATTORNEY AND WE CAN'T EXPECT THEM TO WILLINGLY JUST BE ADDED THIS RESPONSIBILITY.
LIKE THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THE TOWN ATTORNEY, STRAVA MOMENT AT THE MOMENT.
WE REALLY HAVEN'T GOT TO ANY MAJOR LEGAL ISSUES.
AND SO WE WERE, WE HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMING FORWARD.
WE HAVE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, RIGHT? SO AT ANY TIME WE COULD NEED LEGAL IT ADVICE WE COULD.
AND DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, YOU WOULD GO TO A ATTORNEY WHO SPECIALIZES IN THAT TYPE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE AREAS.
I MEAN, JIM AND, AND GEORGE THEY'RE JUST GENERALIST, YOU KNOW, BUT IF WE WERE STARTING TO GET INTO SOME MAJOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ISSUES, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO FIND THOSE EXPERTISE IN THAT AREA.
AND THAT'S HOW WE WERE GOING TO MODEL.
AND THE REASON I THINK GOING FORWARD, THERE NEEDS TO BE ONE AT EVERY MEETING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN TO DATE.
IT HASN'T BEEN NECESSARY, BUT PUTTING MYSELF IN AN ATTORNEY SHOES, WHICH I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY.
SO I CAN'T NECESSARILY DO THAT ACCURATELY, BUT I WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE REPRESENTING AN ENTITY THAT I'M ONLY BRIEFED ON WHEN THERE'S AN ISSUE, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, AND HE REVIEWS, HE GETS THE AGENDA AND THE PACKAGE AND ASSESS.
BUT RIGHT NOW I, UH, COUNCILMAN MORRIS, I AGREE WITH YOU THIS, I JUST WANT THE COUNCIL TO KNOW UP TO THIS POINT, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY MAJOR LEGAL ISSUE, BUT MOVING FORWARD, OBVIOUSLY THEY WILL NEED TO PREPARE.
AND I'M NOT EVEN SAYING FOR AN ISSUE, JUST ADVISEMENT ON COUNSEL.
MY COMFORT IS KNOWING THAT I ALWAYS HAVE A LEGAL ADVICE AT THE TABLE AND I FEEL LIKE BRITA DESERVES THE SAME, BUT NO, I LOVE BEN.
I MEAN, I ASKED HIM
PRIOR IF WE WERE HAVING A MEETING IN WARREN COUNTY, ADA, AND IT STARTED GETTING A LITTLE MUDDY, YOU GUYS DON'T REALLY LIKE TALK UNLESS YOU'RE CALLED UPON.
SO BACK TO THE POINT AT HAND, SO WE'RE, SO WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO WITH THIS NUMBER THREE? DO WE WANT FREE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT ONE AGAIN? OR ARE WE SAYING THAT WE WANT TO TAKE WORDS OUT OR REQ? I DON'T SAY WE WANT TO, WE WOULD RECOMMEND TAKING WORDS OUT OR WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO WITH THIS? THE NEIGHBOR CURRENTLY WHAT'S ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW IS THE PART THAT SAYS QUALIFIED AND LICENSED ATTORNEY AT LOSS LED BY TOWN COUNCIL, OR I KNOW, I KNOW.
I MEAN, YEAH, BUT WE CHANGED IT BACK TO WHAT THE CODE SAID BY TOWN COUNCIL.
NOW WE'VE AGREED TO CHANGE THAT AGREEMENT.
HOWEVER, IF YOU ALL WANT TO GIVE THEM AN AUTONOMY WHERE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO CHANGE THE TOWN CODE, THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S WHERE I'M WALKING YOU THROUGH.
THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE APPROVED THIS MONTH.
IF IT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED NEXT, WE GOT TO GET IT RIGHT? YES.
YOU KNOW, SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO REMOVE TOWN COUNCIL FROM IT AND JUST LOUD THE EDA TO SELECT AND APPROVE THEIR ATTORNEY? YOU GUYS HAVE AN OPINION ON IT, ANYBODY.
OH, ULTIMATELY, ULTIMATELY, GOD, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE ATTORNEY.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE ATTORNEY IS THE ONE WHO IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE, YOU KNOW? SO, I MEAN, I HAVE NO.
SO TO BACK YOU UP ON THAT, I'M IN AGREEMENT BECAUSE ALSO AT SOME POINT WHEN THE ACADEMIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STARTS AND YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR OWN FUNDING AND YOU'RE MAKING TONS OF MONEY FOR EVERYBODY, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S YOUR
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BUDGET AND YOU GUYS CAN PICK SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN AFFORD.SO MY ONLY CONCERN INITIALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE, OH MY GOSH, I HAVE TO GO HIRE THE MOST EXPENSIVE WALL IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, AT SOME POINT BEING, BEING YOUR OWN INDEPENDENT ENTITY, AT SOME POINT YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN NEED THE COUNCIL'S FUNDING.
SO I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE EPA.
THEY CAN GET VERY LARGE AND INDEPENDENT.
UM, AND SO YOU GUYS HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT AND YOU GUYS HAVE TO WORK WITH THAT ATTORNEY.
SO I, GEORGE, IF IT'S NOT A HUGE LEGAL ISSUE WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO CHANGE THE TOWN CODE, TO ALLOW FRIEDA, TO PICK THEIR OWN ATTORNEY.
INSTEAD OF US PICKING AN ATTORNEY THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH.
WOULD YOU BE MORE INCLINED TO CHANGE TOWN CODE TO LET FREE TO PICK THEIR OWN ATTORNEY? OR WOULD YOU WANT TOWN COUNCIL TO OVERSEE THE CHOOSING OF THEIR LEGAL ADVICE? MY THOUGHTS ARE, IF THEY'RE COMPLETELY SEPARATE ENTITY, IF THEY GET THEIR OWN ATTORNEY, WHY WOULD WE NEED ANY RIGHT ON THAT ONE? SO YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH CHANGING THE TOWN CODE BECAUSE THE TOWN HALL EDA.
I, I THINK THERE'S CONSENSUS AT THE TABLE WITH HERE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO OPERATE AT A SEPARATE
I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE ANOTHER GENERAL OBSERVATION.
OH, WELL, JUST BECAUSE, OKAY, SO WAIT, JUST A SECOND.
YOU SAID, YES, YOU WERE FOR CHANGING THE TOWN CODE, LETTING THEM PICK THEIR OWN.
WITH, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE TOWN CODE.
IT WOULD HAVE TO GO WHERE WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND PEOPLE WOULD COME IN.
AND AS I WAS JUST SHARING WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN GILLESPIE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BIRD IN MY EAR, THAT WHEN WE WERE DOING ALL OF THIS INITIALLY, WAS THAT WAS THAT TO GIVE COMPLETE AUTONOMY, THEN, YOU KNOW, WORK, WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE MONEY AND JUST NOT HAVING ANY OVERSIGHT.
THAT THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY THING IS, IS THAT I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO, I MEAN THAT THERE, THAT WE HAVE NO OVERSIGHT THAT WE'RE JUST HANDING THIS MONEY OUT AND GOING HAVE AT IT.
AND WE KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY SPEND ALL OF THEIR BUDGET ON THEIR ATTORNEY AND THEIR LEGAL FEES SINCE WE GAVE THEM FREE RANGE TO DO SO THEY HAVE NO MORE MONEY TO SPEND.
AND IF I DON'T GIVE THEM ANY MORE MONEY, I GOT YA.
I'M WILLING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO DO THAT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THEY BLOW ALL THEIR MONEY ON LEGAL FEES, WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, I'M CURIOUS WHAT THE ATTORNEY AS, AS FREE TO EVOLVES AND THEY START PURCHASING AND SELLING PROPERTY AND BECOME MORE SELF-SUFFICIENT WE WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D NEED TO DO IT NOW ON A ROMAN NUMERAL TEN TWO, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT REQUIRES ADVANCE APPROVAL BY THE TOWN COUNCIL CRIMINAL TO ANY FINANCE PERFORMANCE OR OTHER AGREEMENT WITH ANY THIRD PARTIES.
SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE WILL WE NEED TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION WITH GEORGE OR OUTSIDE COUNCIL ON THE, HOW FLEXIBLE Y'ALL ARE WILLING TO GIVE THAT UP WHERE THEY COULD GO OUT ACTUALLY AND GO GET THEIR HOME LOANS AND BONDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITHOUT TOWN COUNCIL APPROVAL.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE EVEN WITH THAT LANGUAGE, I MEAN, YEAH.
AND THIS WAS WHERE IT GOT TRICKY WHEN WE DID THIS AND I WASN'T PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
I KNOW YOU WEREN'T, I'M JUST SAYING, I'M SAYING THESE TWO AND THREE ARE EXAMPLE OF THESE WERE THE THINGS THAT WERE CHALLENGING WHEN WE WERE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS, BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SAYING THAT WE WANT THEM TO HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE ENTITY, BUT, BUT WE ALSO FEEL RESPONSIBLE TO THE TAXPAYERS BECAUSE WE ARE FUNDING.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A TRICKY, TRICKY PLACE TO BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WHAT I JUST SAID.
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S TOUGH.
I DON'T WHILE I AGREE WITH THAT, I FEEL LIKE IF DONE RIGHT FROM INCEPTION, WHICH HERE WE ARE, WE ARE SETTING THEM UP AND PROPPING THEM UP INITIALLY.
BUT WHEN DONE, RIGHT, THE DIVIDENDS THAT A SUCCESSFUL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS WILL BRING, IT'S GONNA PAY DIVIDENDS.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE COULD CUT TAXES ONCE WE BRING IN A TON OF TAX REVENUE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
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I'VE SCREAMED AT, FOR OVER A YEAR NOW OR WHATEVER, UM, WHAT THIS DO MEANS, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY COUNCILS DECIDED WE'RE GOING TO SPOT YOU ALL UP TO A MILLION DOLLARS CREDIT LINE.AND WITH THAT MILLION DOLLARS FREE TO, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT IS COUNCIL WILLING TO DO THAT? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S HOW THEY WOULD BECOME A TRUE INDEPENDENT ENTITY.
AND THEN THAT MONEY IS THERE'S WHERE YOU PRETTY MUCH ARE CO-SIGNING UNTIL THEY GET, BUT YOU CAN'T TELL THEM HOW TO SPEND IT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? A LINE OF CREDIT? THAT'S HOW THIS WOULD ONLY REALLY FUNCTION.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE IT WAS CONSIDERED TO BE CREATED.
WHAT, WHAT, TELL ME WHAT THE CODE WAS IN HERE FOR SOME CHECKING, STUMBLING OVER WHERE THE THINGS WE STUMBLED OVER WHEN WE WERE TRYING, I MEAN, THERE'S A WAY TO HAVE A, AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO GO, RIGHT, YOU HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO MAKE MONEY.
I'VE ASKED ABOUT A BUDGET, SHE'S ALMOST THE FIRST MEETING.
I NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT LEVEL YOU WANT TO FUND IT AND WHETHER HE GETS A SUCCESSFUL FUNDING EXPERIENCE OR, OR, OR IT'S JUST LIKE, IT'S A SUCCESSFUL.
YEAH, IT WAS, WE, WE, WE FUNDED AN FYI 22, UM, A HUNDRED THOUSAND, WAS IT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS? AND IT'S BEEN INCOME THAT'S LESS THAN THAT.
WE GET PAID A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH.
YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT? SO WE HAD, WE HAD A NUMBER OF THOSE DOLLARS, BUT IT'S STILL ON THE TOWN'S LEDGER.
IT'S STILL TOWN COUNCILS MONEY.
ONCE WE FINISHED A LOT OF THE BYLAWS AND A GREAT ACCOUNT OF FEDERAL ID INTO THE ADA'S CHECKBOOK, WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL PAID FOR THE ATTORNEY FEES, PAID FOR ANY TYPE OF TRAINING OR PAY FOR REVIEWS OR CONTRACTS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD BE TOTALLY ON THEIR OWN.
NOT, NOT ENVISIONED OF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S FOR RIGHT NOW, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL GETTING THIS THING SET UP AND READY TO GO.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND I WAS FIGURING THE 20, 24 BUDGET.
I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT SOME MONEY INTO THIS THING.
WE DON'T INTEND TO BE ANOTHER BUILDING DEPARTMENTS, WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, SO, I MEAN, SO YOU'RE NOT WASTING MY TIME.
IF THEY WEREN'T, IF THERE WAS NO PLANS TO FUND IT, I WOULD LOVE TO BUY SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES OF THE OLD PIZZA HUT PLACE THAT'S SITTING THERE.
YOU GUYS NEED TO GET INTO WORK SESSION.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WELL, NO, THE THING THAT THE PAD THERE AND PLACE ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS AS WE PRETA AND COUNCIL WILL HAVE A MEETING TOGETHER TO SHARE THEIR IDEAS, KIND OF SHARE WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE STILL HAVE THE OVERALL REACHING LEADERSHIP ROLE, RIGHT? YOU STILL HAVE THE MARCHING ORDERS FOR BRITA.
AND SO THOSE NEED TO BE EXPRESSED AND THEY EXECUTE IT.
UM, AND THAT'S PART OF THE COMP PLAN.
HOWEVER, ONCE THEY DECIDE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ALL SAID, YOU WANT A CLOTHING STORE, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO TRY TO TARGET THE FIGURE OUT WHAT'S BEST.
AND THEN THEY'RE THE ONES WHO SET THE CONTRACT AND YOU ALL WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE PROCESS.
ONCE THAT STARTED HAPPENING, I'M JUST GOING TO ADDRESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
THIS IS THE SAME AS THE TOURIST JOINT VENTURE.
WE'VE SAID, LET'S CREATE THIS BOARD OF VERY THOUGHTFUL GIVING CITIZENS TO DEDICATE TONS OF TIME AND GIVE THEM NO MONEY AND TIE THEM DOWN AND LOCK THEM TO US.
SO I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT WE'RE JUST NOW HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH LICENSE.
UM, I'VE BEEN ON CAPITOL FOR EIGHT MONTHS, AND THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING LIKE THIS THAT WE'VE HAD.
AND I, UH, GUESS SHAME ON ME FOR NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS NO CONSIDERATION OF WHEN AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO FUND THEM.
WHAT WAS KIND OF A KICKOFF, BUT WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, YOU BROUGHT UP TOWARDS THEM.
THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY ABOUT ANYBODY HAVING ANY QUESTION ABOUT OVERSIGHT OR IF WE DID THINK SOMETHING, AND I DON'T EVEN LIKE TO TALK TO ME, THIS IS TALKING LIKE THAT, LIKE ALMOST LIKE A PRENUP, LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S GOING TO BE FAILURE BEFORE YOU EVEN STARTED.
SO I DON'T WANT TO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON.
WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE ARE FUNDING IT, IF THERE WAS EVER
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ANY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND YOU JUST, WE'RE NOT FUNDING IT.I MEAN THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING WERE TO GO WRONG ON THIS, ON THE WAY THAT THE EDA WORKS.
MINUS SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE THAT I'M HEARING FOR THE FIRST TIME TONIGHT, WE CAN STOP FUNDING THEM AND THEY CAN LIVE ON THEIR OWN.
I MEAN, THE FREEDOM CAN OPERATE BY GETTING LOANS AND GRANTS AND WHICH IS HER COUNSELING.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, AND IT'S THE RECOMMENDATION IS I WOULD PARK THE BYLAWS AT OUR JULY MEETING.
I THINK WE NEED A, PROBABLY HAVE A, EITHER EARLIER OR LATER ON A SPECIAL CALL MEETING JUST TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OR WORK SESSION WITH BRITA AND COUNCIL TO KIND OF GET A BETTER SENSE OF THE EXPECTATIONS.
AND THEN THAT WOULD PROBABLY KIND OF DRIVE ALL THE BYLAWS, NO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE BYLAWS.
THERE'S SOME UNKNOWN ANSWERS THAT WEREN'T DISCUSSED PRIOR TO PRE, TO BE AN ESTABLISHED CAUSE THIS IS PRETTY MUCH INHERITED FROM PRIOR DISCUSSIONS WHEN FRIDA WAS DECIDED TO BE CREATED.
TWO INJURY, TWO AND THREE ARE THE ONLY TWO AREAS, BUT I MEAN, EVERYTHING ELSE, IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS FINE.
IT TWO AND THREE WOULD BE THE TWO THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO AT LEAST ADDRESS FOR REVIEW OR LOOK AT IT AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE TO EVERYBODY ELSE? UM, YES.
I WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO START MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE, AND SO I GUESS WITH, I HAVEN'T LOST ANY TIME BECAUSE A LOT OF US NEEDED TO BE BROUGHT UP TO SPEED.
I NEEDED TO BE RE SO AMBER AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT WE WEREN'T READY TO DO ANYTHING.
I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND MY CONCERN ISN'T THAT ANYBODY WAS READY OR WE SHOULD'VE BEEN DOING ANY.
MY CONCERN IS A BUILDING DEPARTMENT PREDATING MY TIME ON COUNCIL WAS INITIATED WITH NO VISION AND NO FUNDING IN SIGHT AND IT WAS KILLED AT BIRTH.
SO I DON'T WANT TO WASTE YOUR TIME, MY TIME, THE CONSTITUENTS TIME, UM, DOING THAT.
WE NEED TO HAVE A VISION AND A PLAN AND A BUDGET IN PLACE.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE, WE'RE LACKING THAT AT THE MOMENT COLLECTIVELY.
SO I'M JUST SAYING PREPARATION IS 90% OF THE PARK.
AND LET ME JUST SHARE WITH YOU BASED ON WHAT I'VE READ AND HOW IT WAS TO OPERATE.
SO EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT FREE TO INITIALLY PLAYS AS A STRONG ECONOMIC ADVISORY ROLE OR POINTED OR ACT LIKE A PLANNING COMMISSION ROLE.
INITIALLY, KNOWING THAT EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GOING TO BE A ENTITY BY ITSELF AND AS AUTHORITY AND ANYTHING THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THAT GROUP, THERE WOULD BE A CLOSED SESSION WITH, WITH COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY, WE HAVE THIS DEVELOPMENT X WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS.
AND COUNCIL WAS GOING TO BE ENGAGED IN THAT PROCESS TO, TO PROVIDE THE LOAN OR WHATEVER.
IF THEY BOUGHT, LET'S SAY A PROPERTY FOR $10, AND THEN THEY SOLD IT FOR $15, THEN THOSE PROCEEDS WOULD HELP JUMPSTART THE AUTHORITY.
AND THEN IF THEY BOUGHT PROPERTY AND THEY DECIDE TO LEASE IT AT $2 AND I'M JUST SHOOTING IN SMALL NUMBERS, $10,000, THOSE DOLLARS WOULD GO TO THE AUTHORITY.
AND THEN WHILE THEY BUILT THE REVENUE SOURCE UP, THEN THERE WOULD BE A TRANSITION OF AUTONOMY.
BUT THE MODEL WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS A MODEL THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPOT THEM AND GIVE THEM A LOUD ONCE.
AND THEN THEY AUTOMATICALLY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO IT.
WHICH IS WHY I THINK IN NUMBER THREE AND EVERYBODY'S DEFENSE, NUMBER THREE, ABOUT USING THE TOWN ATTORNEY.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CONVENIENT AND, AND QUITE HONESTLY COST SAVING BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE NOT USING THE MONEY THAT WE FUNDED IN ALL.
I KNOW, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK THAT, THAT'S WHY IT, THAT'S WHY I THINK IT WOULD, IT, I CAN SEE WHY WE'RE SAYING, JUST USE THE RESOURCES WE ALREADY HAVE.
AND I WOULDN'T BE ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED TO THAT IN THE BEGINNING BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET OURSELVES LAUNCHED AND READY TO BE ABLE TO BE IN A
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POSITION WHERE, UM, YOU COULD HIRE YOUR OWN.I JUST BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE I KNOW BEFORE, WHEN WE DISCUSSED ALL OF THIS, IT WAS, WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TOLD MULTIPLE TIMES THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE FREED UP.
AND SO I STARTED THINKING, WELL, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH TOWN COUNCIL IS VERY DIFFERENT.
AND SO ANYWAY, SO MOVING FORWARD, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT WE'LL GO BACK AND HAVE A WORK SESSION AND TALK ABOUT FRIEDA AND COUNCIL TOGETHER BECAUSE WHATEVER THE OUTCOME OF THAT STILL MAY, AND WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE, OR THEY HAVE BETTER VISION, I, AN INNOCENCE OF THEIR LEADERSHIP ROLE AND BEING MORE AGGRESSIVE IN GOING OUT AND BUILDING, I'D LOVE TO SEE US DO THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
LIKE, I KNOW YOU SAID THE JULY MEETING.
UM, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE, I THINK THAT THE SOONER WE START FIGURING THIS STUFF OUT THE DINNER, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.
I MEAN, WE, WELL, I WAS JUST SAYING, WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
IT COULD BE SOMETHING WE ADDED BEFORE THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
SO WE WERE AT THE END OF THE WORK.
I GUESS WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYBODY'S CALENDAR.
THAT'S ALL, OH, TINA WE'LL WORK TOGETHER WITH FRIDA AND STUFF.
WE'LL BRING IT UP AT OUR MEETING THURSDAY TO GET SOME, I JUST DON'T WANT THEM TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE LIKE SPINNING WHEELS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN THROUGH THIS PART BECAUSE WE DO APPRECIATE THEM.
NOBODY WANTS TO DO MORE PROFITABLE, ASAP THAN AS YOU SAID, WE'RE A STARTUP.
AND SO, UM, STARTUPS IN MY EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T PAY MYSELF ANY SALARY FIRST FEW YEARS SOMETIMES.
SO, UM, SO I ACTUALLY HAVE NOT BEEN ALL THAT UNCOMFORTABLE WITH HOW WE'VE BEEN HANDLING THIS TODAY BECAUSE IT SEEMED COST-EFFECTIVE.
SO THAT'S HOW I RUN MY BUSINESSES IS COST EFFECTIVE WAY.
UM, SO, BUT THIS IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S PUBLIC.
AND SO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MY, I WASN'T AS SENSITIVE TO THAT AS MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE BEEN OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR EDA BATTLE LOSS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO NUMBER TWO? SORRY,
YOU LOOK AT THE OFFICER'S SECTION.
THERE'S NO MENTION I DON'T MAYBE NO NOWHERE IN THERE ABOUT TREASURY SECRETARY.
SO IT'S JUST LIKE WE WERE, MAYBE I MISSED IT NOW.
I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT.
UM, WE WERE GOING TO USE TOWN STACKS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT TOWNS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE USED FOR THOSE ROLES.
IF IT'S AN OFFICE, IT HAS TO BE A PERSON.
IT HAS TO BE ONE OF THE DIRECTORS.
IT SAYS UNDER OFFICES AND RECORDS, NUMBER THREE, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS IN THE FRONT OF WHOLE EDA SHALL KEEP MINUTES OF ITS PROCEEDINGS TO BE KEPT CONTEMPORANEOUSLY WITH ITS PROCEEDS.
WHICH SO IT DOES MENTION THAT SOMEBODY IS KEEPING RECORDS.
AND THEN I REMEMBER READING SOMEWHERE WHERE IT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, SOMETHING ABOUT, IF SOMEBODY WASN'T PRESENT THE CHAIRMAN WOULD, YOU KNOW, APPOINT SOMEONE ELSE TO BE KEEPING THE MINUTES AS ADDRESS IT.
I, IT JUST DOESN'T GIVE IT A TITLE AND THE CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIRMAN, ONLY TWO OFFICERS LISTED.
I CAN TELL YOU, THERE WAS THE BOARD MEMBERS INTENTION NOT TO BE, UH, AN ACTIVE SECRETARY.
THERE'S THAT TIME DOESN'T EXIST.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE TREASURER YET, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE SOME INSURE, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY LOOK BY BYLAWS AND TOWN CODE AND YEAH.
CODE SAYS FROM ITS MEMBERSHIP OR NOT.
SO THOSE TWO OFFICERS CAN, DON'T HAVE TO BE FROM, I GUESS I HEAR WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT, YOU DON'T HAVE A REASON TO HAVE A TREASURER YET, BUT LIKE JUST, I JUST WAS DEALING WITH THIS WITH SOMEBODY ELSE TODAY.
LIKE, UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF ELECTIONS AND YOU HAVE CAMPAIGN FINANCES FOR CAMPAIGNS, AND IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TREASURER.
AND EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING, YOU HAVE TO APPOINT A TREASURER BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN GET STARTED BECAUSE IT SAYS IN THE CODE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TREASURE.
SO THIS IS WHERE I'M SAYING LEGALLY AND HAVING ADVISEMENT AT EVERY MEETING, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO MONEY, SHOULDN'T THERE TECHNICALLY HAVE TO BE A TREASURER RIGHT NOW, SINCE IT
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STATES NO PROBLEM, WE WILL HAVE SOMEBODY, BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT STEVENLIKE IF YOU PUT IN THAT THERE'S A TREASURY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TREASURER.
SO CURRENTLY TINA AS ACTING AS THE SECRETARY OF FREEDOM TITLE.
THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS SHALL ELECT FROM ITS MEMBERSHIP, UH, SORRY.
AND FROM ITS MEMBERSHIP OR NOT, AS THEY DESIRE A SECRETARY, ANY TREASURER SHALL, SHALL ELECT PRIVATES MEMBERSHIP, WHICH MEANS IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
SO LIKE ON A THURSDAY NIGHT TO ME, THEY SHOULD PROBABLY APPOINT A SECRETARY AND TREASURER OR SOME SOON COMING MEETING CONSIDERING WERE ADOPTABLE SUGGESTED IT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE BIBLE.
NOT THAT GREAT, GREAT FEEDBACK.
SO WE DON'T HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EPA BYLAWS.
ONE HOUR TALKS ABOUT TWO THINGS RIGHT NOW.
IT WAS A HEAVY, HEAVY AGENDA TONIGHT.
IF EVERYBODY, IF NO ONE KNOWS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THEM, GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU.
UH, WE HAD THIS THING DOWN HERE.
THIS WEEKEND WENT REALLY WELL.
AND THE OVERWHELMING RESPONSE FROM ALMOST EVERYBODY WAS, WE LOVE THE MURALS.
PEOPLE LOVE THE MURALS GOOD JOBS.
ALL RIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
THIS HAS BEEN A ISSUE THAT'S BEEN ONGOING AND COUNCILMAN MORRIS, UH, COMPLEMENTED PUBLIC WORKS, WHETHER WHERE THE INITIAL LARGER HALLIE LAST MONTH THAT HAPPENED, WE HAD ANOTHER INCIDENT, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO THIS TIME AND DO IT A BETTER REPAIR BEFORE US TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CONNECT TO, UH, WE WILL PROCESS SO WE COULD MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND SO I ASKED COUNCIL TO GO AHEAD AND RECOMMEND APPROVING THE PROPOSAL ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET AND THE CORNER OF KENDRICK LANE AVENUE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I WILL SAY, WAIT.
MOVING ON TO NUMBER THREE, UH, AMP POWER PURCHASE PORTFOLIO COMMITTEE.
I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A LONG NIGHT AND CHIP LIMITED SPEAKING ABILITY IS HERE WITH US TONIGHT ON THE CALL.
WE'VE GOT ALL THAT HOUSTON WHO WAS HERE AT YOUR LAST WORK SESSION.
UM, HE DISCUSSED THE SOLAR PPA, THE AMP RECOMMENDED, WHICH YOU GUYS, UH, REVISITING, RIGHT.
BUT RESOLUTION, RIGHT? SO IT ACTUALLY TOOK A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TURN.
AND I THINK MAYBE THE ANTICIPATED WHERE THE QUESTIONS CAME UP, BUT I'M GLAD, I'M GLAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THE FEEDBACK AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE DID.
THE OTHER PERSON ON THE CALL IS ERIN SHEELEY.
SHE WORKS FOR, UM, GDS ASSOCIATES AND THEY WERE THE ONES WHO WERE ABLE TO GIVE US ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATION ON HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN THE COMING YEARS.
UM, SO IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT WE REALLY NEEDED TO REVISIT HOW, WHY WE ARE AMP MEMBERS, RIGHT? UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON COUNCIL NOW, HAVEN'T REALLY HAD TO SEE THIS BEFORE THESE CONTRACTS IN PLACE FOR YEARS.
SO, UM, AMP EXISTS AND I SHOULD ADD, WHAT'S CREATED BY ITS MEMBERS TO ASSIST ITS MEMBERS AND DEVELOP DEVELOPING POWER SUPPLY OPTION AND WORK COLLECTIVELY WITH OTHER MEMBERS TO REDUCE COSTS AND PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES TO OBTAIN GENERATION ASSET.
SO ANYTHING ABOUT HERE, WE'RE JUST ONE LITTLE GUY, BUT WHEN WE PAIR TOGETHER WITH OTHER MUNICIPALS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO MORE AS FAR AS THERE ARE 134 MEMBERS, UM, IN AMP, ACROSS NINTH STATE
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AND ALL THE MEMBERS ARE MUNICIPALITIES.JEN MENTIONED, VIRGINIA MEMBERS INCLUDE US BEDFORD, DANVILLE, MARTINSVILLE, AND RICHLY.
I'LL ALSO JUST MENTION THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY SERVICES FOR THE TOWN IS MAINLY OPERATIONS BASED, RIGHT? SO WE SORT OF OUTSOURCE THIS, UM, THE POWER SUPPLY RECOMMENDATIONS AND PROCUREMENT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IN OUR OFFICE.
SO SOME APPS, SERVICES, GENERATION, ASSET OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT OUR POWER PORTFOLIO HERE IN A SECOND, BUT WE'VE GOT FIXED GENERATION OUTLETS THAT WE, UM, ARE BOUGHT INTO IN OUR PORTFOLIO THAT INCLUDE A COAL TIRE PLANT, NATURAL COWS, THREE HIGH TRIALS AND A SPOOLER.
AND IF THE SOLAR PPA GOES THROUGH THAT, YOU GUYS PASSED IN RESOLUTION.
UM, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER SOLAR, UM, GENERATION ASSET IN OUR PORTFOLIO.
SOME OF THOSE CONTRACTS GO OUT AS FAR AS 2049, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, IT SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD THING.
HELPS US KEEP OUR, KEEP OUR COSTS CONSISTENT.
UM, SO POWER SUPPLY PURCHASE OPPORTUNITIES.
ONE THING IMPORTANT TO MENTION IS THE AMP IS NOT THE ACTUAL POWER SUPPLIER.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE CONFUSION WITH COMING BEFORE, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY TRANSACT WITH POWER SUPPLY COUNTERPARTIES ON OUR BEHALF.
SO THEY PROVIDE A CREDIT WORTHINESS AND A LARGER SCALE PURCHASING POWER TO NEGOTIATE THE BEST TERMS OF PRICING FOR US.
UM, SOME OTHER THINGS TO NOTE IS THEY OFFER US LONG TERM POWER SUPPLY PLANNING, LEGISLATIVE SERVICES, AS FAR AS SUPPLY GOES, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SUPPORT AND RESOURCES MUTUAL AID, WHICH LUCKILY WE HAVEN'T HAD TO CALL UPON THEM FOR, UM, AND THE SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM, WHICH ACTUALLY AT YOUR JULY MEETING OUR MEMBER SERVICES REPRESENTATIVE, HARRY PHILLIPS WILL BE COMING TO GIVE A SCHOLARSHIP TO ONE OF OUR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS HERE LOCALLY.
SO IT'S REALLY EXCITING THAT, UM, WE HAD LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT THAT WE'VE HAD SEVERAL IN THE PAST RATES.
OH, PAUL, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD THERE? I'M SORRY.
I MISSED ANYTHING THAT YOU FEEL IS IMPORTANT TO SAY, WELL, I THINK HE COVERED AS WELL.
AND THEN THE, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE COUNTER PARTIES THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE DEAL WITH, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A VERY RIGOROUS, UM, PROCESS WHERE WE, UM, ANALYZE THEIR CREDIT.
AND WE ONLY TRANSACT WITH VERY HIGHLY RATED, UH, COUNTERPARTS AGAIN, THAT REDUCES THE RISK ON ANY, ANY DEFAULTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING WE DO EVERY YEAR.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING, THANK YOU, PAUL.
UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS OUR PORTFOLIO.
UH, YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE PIE CHART A LOT.
I'VE SHOWN YOU THAT VERSION, BUT THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU THE LONGTERM PICTURE.
SO 20, 22, WE HAVE A SORT OF GOLDEN COLOR IS GOING TO DROP OFF AND WE'RE GOING TO BE EXPOSED TO THE OPEN MARKET.
OH, 15% OF OUR PORTFOLIO IN NORMAL TIMES.
THAT'S ACTUALLY MAYBE A GOOD THING.
UM, AS YOU GUYS KNOW THIS ISN'T NORMAL TIME.
SO WHAT GDS PROPOSED TO US KIND OF HELPS US HANDLE WHAT COULD BE, UM, SOME EXCESSIVE COST INCREASES BECAUSE OF THAT OPEN MARKET EXPOSURE.
AND THEN AGAIN, IF YOU SEE IN 2025, WE'VE GOT THOSE TWO POWER BLOCKS THAT DROP OFF.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.
UM, AND SO THEN WE HAVE 37 TO 42% OF OUR PORTFOLIO IS EXPOSED TO THE OPEN MARKET.
WELL, SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING BEFORE WE DIDN'T PASS IT.
UM, THIS IS A MEMO THAT ERIN SHE'S ON HER CALL.
SHE PUT TOGETHER FOR YOU GUYS.
AND I'LL JUST READ SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.
DO YOU GUYS WANT, UM, I NEED ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EXPOSURE TO THE OPEN MARKET AND ACTUALLY I'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE BECAUSE IT REALLY JUST SORT OF SIMPLIFIES WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO THE ENERGY MARKET IS EXPERIENCING EXTREME VOLATILITY.
THIS IS ON PAGE TWO, UM, AND WE HAVE SOME NEEDS TO SATISFY SOME ADDITIONAL ENERGY NEEDS THAT WILL COST A HIGHER PRICES THAN EXPECTED.
SO IN RESPONSE TO THE GLOBAL GROWTH GLOBAL STRAIN
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ON NATURAL GAS SUPPLY DRIVEN PRIMARILY BY THE RUSSIAN INVASION OF UKRAINE, DOMESTIC GAS EXPORTS HAVE INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY DIRECTLY INFLATING ELECTRICITY PRICES IN THE NEAR TERM, COAL PRICES HAVE INCREASED DUE TO THE INCREASE IN GENERATION DEMAND AND STAFFING AND TRANSPORTATION DIFFICULTIES ASSOCIATED WITH COAL DELIVERIES.LASTLY, TRANSMISSION COSTS CONTINUE TO BE MONITORED AS GRID INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AND INVESTMENTS ESCALATE NATIONWIDE BASED ON CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS, WHICH CHANGED DAILY FORT ROYAL'S WHOLESALE POWER COSTS FOR THE 2022 AND 2023 PLANNING YEAR COULD BE APPROXIMATELY $1.5 MILLION HIGHER ANTICIPATED.
RIGHT? SO WHEN, IF YOU, ON THE LAST SLIDE, I HAVE MENTIONED THIS BLENDED PRICING APPROACH FOR THE 20 23, 20, 25 TIMES IN THE AIR.
AND I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO EXPLAIN IT, BUT PLEASE PIPE IN IF I MISS SOMETHING.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, THE IDEA WOULD BE TO TAKE THAT 15% IN 2023 AND THE 15% IN 2024.
AND THEN ALSO THAT 35 2, WHICH COULD BE 42%, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE NEW SOLAR EPA, UM, AND BLEND THE PRICING ACROSS THOSE THREE YEARS.
THE REASON WHY WE WOULD DO THAT BECAUSE IN 2025, THERE'S EXPECTATION THAT THE MARKET IS GOING TO BE FUNNELING DOWN QUITE A BIT.
SO WE WOULD PAY MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE IF YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, UM, IN 2025, SO THAT WE CAN PAY RUST IN 2023 AND 2024 IN ORDER TO STABILIZE HER BUDGET.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD AARON? I THINK HE DID A GOOD JOB KEEPING HER CHINA RIGHT NOW FOR 2023, BUT I'LL DO IT.
UM, HOW TO, UM, DIMINISH THAT CONSTANT TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN DOING
UM, UH, IN 2025, I CAN NOT GO OUT AND, UM, UM, I BOUGHT 25, UM, ALSO OUT, UH, IN 2025 ON THAT.
HOW, HOW, THAT'S THE GOAL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET HERE, UM, GOING OUT AND LOOKING AT THAT.
SO ESSENCE, I MEAN, AND I'M SURE Y'ALL CAUGHT ALL, WE'RE DEFERRING THE MARCH NEXT YEAR AND SPREAD IT OUT OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FUTURE MARKETS ARE GOING TO BE LESS, HOPEFULLY THAT'S GOING TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE, UH, DOWN THE ROAD.
SO IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE GAME PLAN TO SOFTEN THE IMPACT, UM, THE BLOCKS THAT ARE FALLEN OFF IN 2025
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OVER AN EXTENDED TIME.MMM MMM, MMM, MMM, MMM, MMM, MMM, MMM.
YOU DON'T HAVE ALL YOUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET RIGHT NOW IF A HUNDRED PERCENT I'M NOT GETTING OUT TO MARKET FOR.
AND YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A GOOD STRATEGY.
WE CAN'T CONTROL,
SO THE DIVERSITY IS PRETTY MUCH NOTIFYING THE GAME, RIGHT.
AND YOU KNOW, GARY HAD ASKED A QUESTION, WHAT ARE OTHER OPTIONS BESIDES APP? AND I STARTED, UM, HAVING CONVERSATIONS AND REACHING OUT, AND THERE ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE EXACTLY LIKE WHAT KAREN SAID.
THEY HAVE ALL THEIR EGGS IN ONE BASKET.
SO WE'RE IN A REALLY GOOD POSITION.
IT'S I KNOW IT SOUNDS REALLY SCARY AND THAT DOESN'T REALLY HELP, BUT COMPARATIVELY TO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE FACING, WE'RE IN A REALLY GOOD POSITION.
WE'RE KIND OF LIKE HAVING A MUTUAL PROBLEMS, DIFFERENT ONES, DIFFERENT TYPE OF FUNDS, JUST SO HAPPENING IN THE MUTUAL FUNDS ARE BEING NOW COME 20, 25.
WE'LL HAVE TO PICK 37, BUT THEY'RE EXPECTING, I MEAN, BUT THERE, I'M JUST SAYING, CAN I SAY, CAN IT BE WORSE THAN 25? THE ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO AGREE ON A PURCHASE OF A FIXED BLOCK FOR THE 25 TO 20 28, 20, 25 TO 2028 TIMEFRAME SO THAT WE'RE NOT EXPOSED TO THE OPEN MARKET.
UM, BUT AGAIN, SOME PEOPLE, THEIR STRATEGY IS TO HAVE A LOT OF EXPOSURE TO THE OPEN MARKET AND NO MARKET'S BEEN REALLY GOOD.
SO IT PROBABLY WORKED OUT REALLY WELL FOR THEM UNTIL
SO I ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER, UH, A RATE COMPARISON JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU GUYS WHERE WE STAND COMPARED TO SURROUNDING CO-OPS AND INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES RIGHT NOW.
AND I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT DOMINION JUST PUT OUT AN ARTICLE THAT THEY'RE INCREASING THEIR RATES BY 15, WELL, $14 82 CENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT PER UH, AVERAGE UTILITY CUSTOMER.
SO, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ACTUALLY DOING PRETTY GOOD, UM, COMPARED TO ALL THE UTILITIES, BIRDS DIRECTLY SURROUNDING US.
THAT JUST, I PUT THAT TOGETHER JUST FOR A LITTLE
UM, SO I GUESS THE NEXT STEP, IF YOU GUYS FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT GDS IS PROPOSING, UM, IT, TO ME THIS WAY, WE, WE KNOW WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH OUR BUDGET, RIGHT.
INSTEAD OF IF WE JUST KEEP THAT 15% ON THE OPEN MARKET, IT IS ON, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
AND SO, UM, I MEAN, WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE.
WE'VE HAD TO KIND OF FIGURE IT OUT BEFORE.
UM, BUT SO I BELIEVE ERIN, WE WOULD HAVE TO PASS A RESOLUTION THROUGH, UM, ONCE WE HAVE SOME, UM, APPROPRIATE SIZING AND UP TO PRICING, BUT TIME ALSO IS ABOUT THE ESSENCE.
SO I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE HOW, HOW THAT'S GOING TO PLAY OUT.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN ABOUT THE TOTAL COSTS? YEAH, I, I, WELL, THEY NEED, THEY NEED TO DO SOME MORE ANALYSIS.
WE HAD A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, UM, BUT GDF IS PREPARED TO, UM, COORDINATE WITH, YOU KNOW, STAFF TO CONDUCT, LIVE PRICING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PREFERRED ENERGY BLOCKS ARE AND
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WHAT THAT PRICING WOULD LOOK LIKE.I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, GARY.
CAUSE THE LONGER THAT WE WAIT, UM, YEAH, IT'S THE COUNCIL OF THE PAST SOMETHING THAT WE'VE NEVER SEEN.
WHAT WOULD A TIMELINE LOOK LIKE AARON, TO GET SOME, SOME, UH, SOME NUMBERS IN FRONT OF THESE GUY? UM, A SUMMARY OF WHAT THE CONCEPT WOULD BE IN THE NATION, WHAT PRODUCT OUT TO MARKET TO BUYERS, TO CALL AND TALK TO ME ABOUT EARLIER THAT THEY HAVE CONTRACTS CHECK THE CREDIT, UM, ON THE SUPPLIERS AND ON THE PRODUCT THAT, UM, THAT'S KINDA HOW IT WILL IMPACT HER.
UM, AND I, I DIDN'T HAVE HIM, UM, AFTER THAT, UM, THAT WELL TO THEN GO BACK OUT.
UM, MMM, MMM, MMM, MMM, MMM, MMM, MMM.
AND HOW ARE THEY IMPACTED BY
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD DESCRIPTION.
SO WITH A 30 TO 45 DAY TIMEFRAME, IF IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE THEM READY IN TIME FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION, BUT WE WOULD FOR SURE HAVE THEM READY IN TIME.
THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH I KNOW IS NOT THE MOST IDEAL.
UM, BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO INCLUDE IT IN THE, UM, AGENDA.
IT'S WHATEVER IT'S AGAIN, WE WERE BRINGING THIS TO YOU GUYS CAUSE WE'RE LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE.
UM, I FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH GDS AS RECOMMENDATIONS.
I KNOW THAT THE MARKET IS EXTREMELY VOLATILE AND I'M, I'M FEELING LIKE WE NEED TO MAKE A MOVE SOONER THAN LATER BECAUSE IT IT'S SOUNDING LIKE IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER, UM, IN THE NEAR FUTURE OR IN THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ANYWAYS.
SO IT'S THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO LET GDS DO THEIR THING.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SOURCING TO THE PROFESSIONALS HERE WITH, WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T BE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THIS THING BOAT, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO, THIS IS, YEAH.
WE ARE IN A, YEAH, I GUESS IT SOUNDS LIKE.
NO, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT LIKE, IT DOES FEEL LIKE I'M NOT A GAMBLE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S KIND OF THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S, I THINK YOU COULD BE GAMBLING ON IT'S GOING TO COST US MORE.
AND THE THING IS OUR WHOLESALE, OUR WHOLESALE ENERGY PURCHASES.
IT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE, IT'S NOT LIKE A, A
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BUCKET TRUCK THAT I WAS HERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.I MEAN, WE KNOW IT'S A PURCHASE WE'RE CONTINUALLY GOING TO BE MAKING.
AND SO, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST MAYBE PUT A PIN, REVISIT IT LATER.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS THE, WHICH NOT GREAT OPTION OR REINFORCE.
AND THIS LOCKS US IN FOR HOW LONG MAKING A DECISION 20, 23 TO 2025, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SPREADING.
UM, THAT, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THE BELIEF IS THAT THE 20, 23 YEARS CAN IT BE THE HOT, VERY HOT.
AND SO THEN IF WE CAN SPREAD THAT OUT ACROSS 20, 24 AND THEN ALSO 25, UM, IT'S LESS OF AN IMPACT ON OUR BUDGET, RIGHT? AND YOU COULD SAY YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AN UP TO PRICE AND IT'S P I, I'M NOT TRYING TO GET YOUR HOPES UP, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD GET SOMETHING LESS THAN THAT THAT'S HAPPENED BEFORE.
UM, WE HAVE ONE CONTRACT THAT'S ABOUT TO ROLL OFF WHERE YOU GUYS SAID YOU WERE, WELL, OUR FORMER COUNSEL SAID WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH UP TO $50 PER MEGAWATT AND YOU LOCKED IT IN AT 38.
SO, I MEAN, IT DEPENDS ON THE MARKET.
AND AS SHE SAID TOO, I MEAN, WE CAN SHOW YOU GUYS NUMBERS AND THAT'LL HELP US FIGURE OUT AND UP TO PRICE, BUT THEY CAN'T HOLD PRICE.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IF THEY DID, IF WE DID SAY, OKAY, WE WANT TO DO THIS THING WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO US WITHIN 30 TO 45 DAYS WHEN THEY DO PRESENT, WE'D HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIKE MAKING DECISIONS BECAUSE THE PRICE COULD CHANGE THE NEXT DAY.
IT WOULD BE LIKE INTEREST RATE.
OH, AND THERE'S NO WAY AROUND THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S JUST MAKING A DECISION ON, ON HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.
I MEAN, IF WE, THE OTHER OPTION WHICH WAS TO BUY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BLOCKS, AND THEN WE JUST BUY ON THE OPEN MARKET AT 15%, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE MORE COMFORTABLE? ME PERSONALLY, UM, GDS ARE THE ENGINEERS AND CONSULTANTS THAT WE'VE USED.
AND THAT'S WHAT I, I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO GET US, WE DID THEM WRONG.
I FEEL LIKE THEY, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THESE ARE OUR ADS FOR THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE WE STAND ON IT AS WELL.
WHAT WAS THE TOP AREA OR IS IT 50? I CAN'T FIND THE NUMBER.
THAT'S WHAT IT WAS, BUT THAT WAS FOR THE 20, 25, 20, 28.
THAT'S IT'S GOING TO LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT 15% ON THE OPEN MARKET.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS WHEN YOU PRESENTED TO US BEFORE FOR 25, 25 TO 2020, COME BACK DOWN TO THAT 20, 25 IS THE IDEA.
UM, BUT WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT 15% THAT WERE EXPOSED IN THE OPEN MARKET FOR 20 23, 20, 24, 1 THAT'S MUCH HIGHER.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, KIND OF LEVEL OUT AT THIS POINT.
I KNOW IT'S A LOT GUYS, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT, UM, CERTAINLY NOT YOUR FAULT.
SO I'M GOING TO GO AROUND THE TABLE AS DOES SHE USUALLY DO.
I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU, MS. THOMPSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? NO, I'M FINE.
WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S PRESENTED AND, UM, DOING WHAT WE NORMALLY DO, WHICH IS WORK WITH ME ON THIS PROCESS.
I DON'T THINK I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL.
ALL RIGHT, MR. JACKSON, HOW ABOUT YOU? ANY, ANYTHING TO ADD OR QUESTION OR COMMENT OR ANYTHING AND THAT'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
I WAS JUST, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GIVE EVERYBODY, I LIKE TO DO THAT FIRST, FIRST MEETING IN BERLIN.
I DON'T WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT COULD HAPPEN, BUT I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, THE MARKETS, YEAH.
I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW THAT TODAY, YOU KNOW? YEAH, EXACTLY.
NOT EXACTLY WHAT WOULD BE THE HIGHEST I HAD.
I MIGHT HAVE LIKE TO SEND YOU.
THAT'S MY FEAR IS KICKING THE CAN DOWN THAT.
ARE WE JUST GOING TO, AND DID YOU HAVE
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SOMETHING TO ADD IF I HEARD CORRECTLY? I THINK, I THINK, UM, LIKE RIGHT NOW, UM, KIND OF, I GOT THE PUMP TRACK MOM, UM, HAVING TAKEN CARE OF NOW, UM, UM, CONTRACT AND THAT CONTRACT, I'M LIKE, OKAY, MAYBE I DON'T WANT SOMETHING IN PLACE BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE A, UM, THE AVERAGE MARKET IS ABOUT $25 A I'M LOOKING AT HOW, UM, MULTIPLIED, UM, WE CAN LOOK AT THEM FOR THE NEXT YEAR, AFTER THAT WE CAN TRADE ON THEM.UM, SO NOT, NOT IN 20 CONTRACT TO HELP MOVE OUT MY BUDGET.
I MEAN, I HAVE TO SAY, I HAVE TO SAY, HOLD ON.
SO IT'S GOING TO AVERAGE OUT TO ABOUT 95 STILL.
IT'S GOING TO COVER, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY, UM, EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATE.
WHAT'S ACTUALLY TRANSACTABLE OUT THERE.
UM, HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE, UM, UH, CONTRACTS WITH NOT JUST THE BUYERS, SO WE'RE NOT JUST THROWING OUT, BUT JUST TO BALLPARK NUMBERS, I KNOW FOLKS WHO ANALYTICS AND FINANCE, THEY GET NERVOUS, BUT IT'S NEXT YEAR ONE BY 1 44, UH, 23, 24, WE'RE LOOKING AT 70, 75 AND THEN 25.
IT MAY DROP BACK DOWN TO ABOUT 60 AND THAT NUMBER.
BUT REMEMBER THAT'S NOT OUR ENTIRE PORTFOLIO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 15 1 4.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, WHAT IS, WHAT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES, HOW MUCH IT IS NOW.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DROP OF IT, THAT'S ROUGHLY QUICK NUMBERS WITH THAT.
WELL, THE OTHER GOOD THING TOO, IS THAT BECAUSE THIS CONTRACT FALLS OFF AND JUST TIMER, WE'VE GOT THAT GREAT $44 NUMBERS THROUGH HALF OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.
UM, AND SO THEN WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AND WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THAT AS WE'RE PLANNING FOR IT.
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AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT, KNOWING WHAT IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE CLINIC WILL HELP US WHEN WE'RE WORKING ON THE PILOT.UM, AND AGAIN, BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT BACK $44 LOCK TENTS FOR THE END OF THE YEAR, THAT'S HOW OUR FISCAL YEAR WE'RE LESS EXPOSED DURING THIS FISCAL YEAR.
SO THAT IT'S STILL NOT, WE STILL HAVE GREAT NEWS LOOKING AT THE SILVER LINING, I GUESS.
SO IF COUNCIL IS COOL HIT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH JUDY AS WELL ON SLASH ALREADY SAID, YAY.
UM, JACK, UH, ZACH'S ANYBODY ELSE, GARY, AMBER, FEEL FREE TO SPEAK UP.
I KNOW GARY'S GOT AN OPINION AND I I'M JUST WAITING FOR.
I FEEL LIKE AS MUCH AS IT SUCKS, WE'RE FORCED AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, AT LEAST OUR RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE TO BEAR THAT IN GREECE THIS YEAR WITH THE $6, I'VE NEVER BEEN A GAMBLER.
SO
IT, GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT, HEY, IT COULD BE TABLE IS DRILL, BABY DRILL.
SO WE GOOD IN HEARING OTHER QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, PAUL AND AARON, BOTH.
NUMBER FOUR HAS GOT ABC AND D UM, YEAH.
SO THESE TWO ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE SHORT TERM RENTALS, PUBLIC HEARINGS WE'VE HAD RIGHT NOW, THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS ON THESE.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS ONE OF VIRGINIA AVENUE.
THIS IS LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT RIGHT HERE BY DOWNTOWNS.
THEIR PROPOSED HAS GOT PLENTY OF PARKING.
UM, STAFF DOES NOT HAVE AN ISSUE ORDERING THIS ONE AND THAT'LL BE, THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE'LL BE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO YOU'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE EITHER A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OR TIME, WHICH I BELIEVE IS WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
AND THEN IT'LL COME TO COUNCIL.
SECOND APPLICATION IS ACTUALLY RIGHT OVER RIGHT ON THE STREET HERE.
SO IT'S 2 0 1 EAST MAIN STREET.
IT'S RIGHT ABOVE THE CANDY STORE.
THERE IS PARKING THAT ARE PROVIDED IN THE BACK THERE.
I BELIEVE LEASING THE SPACE FROM THE TOWN.
IT DOESN'T MEAN IT IS ALL BACK FOR THESE.
AND UM, I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER TWO BEDROOM SHORT-TERM RENTAL, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, BOTH OF THESE.
DO YOU KNOW? SO, BUT BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE OWNED BY SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN THE AREA, RIGHT? YES, NO.
DO YOU KNOW? UM, 2 0 1 EAST MAIN STREET.
I BELIEVE 1 0 8 VIRGINIA AVENUE IS AN INCOME PROPERTY.
THIS IS NOT THAT WELL, IT'S NOT THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY LIVE IN TOWN.
IT IS, THERE'S NOT THE PRIMARY.
I KNOW THAT WAS THE CONCERN PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY BROUGHT UP.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THAT THIS WILL BE GONE BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION AGAIN.
SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S LIKE, I, I FEEL LIKE I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE UNDERSTANDING NOW OF WHY THEY BROUGHT THAT CONCERN UP BEFORE.
LIKE I, THE MORE WE HEARD, LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST THE THOUGHT WE DON'T WANT OUR EYES, WELL, LET ME BACK UP.
I DON'T WANT, AND, AND TO, TO GET IN A SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE FROM OTHER AREAS ARE JUST COMING IN AND BUYING UP PROPERTIES TO TURN THEM INTO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
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I DON'T KNOW, JUST CAUSE I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO CHANGE THE MAKEUP OF OUR TOWN.YOU FEEL DIFFERENTLY, BUT THAT'S FINE.
BUT HERE'S THE DEAL WITH VIRGINIA AVENUE, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T LIVE HERE.
THEY OPERATING AS BASICALLY AN AIRBNB FOR OVER HERE.
AND NOW THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO, SINCE WE PUT IN PLACE, RIGHT.
THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, THE LEGAL THING.
AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUNISHED, UM, FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY PART I DON'T PLAY BECAUSE I MEAN, IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH, I GUESS.
AND WE'RE TAKING AWAY SOME OF THEIR LIVELIHOOD, THAT DATA ENJOY ALL OF IT WITHOUT ISSUE.
LIKE LITERALLY WITHOUT ISSUE, YOU HAVEN'T HAD ANY, NOTHING OF THE FLOOR.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT, BUT JUST TO, NOT TO BE THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, BUT YES, THEY HAVE BEEN ENJOYING IT ILLEGALLY.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LAUREN THAT PERTAINS TO BOTH OF THESE AND DIDN'T, I SEE LEGISLATION COMING OUT OF THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.
THAT'S GOING TO MAKE VIRGINIA PROPERTIES BY RIGHT.
IT HASN'T PASSED YET, BUT YEAH, IT'S COMING DOWN THE PIKE.
SO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WOULD BE BUY RIGHT.
SHORT-TERM RENTAL USE UNLESS THE TOWN, THE LOCALITIES PASS SOMETHING OTHERWISE.
SO, SO BECAUSE WE PASSED ON THIS, SO BECAUSE WE HAVE PASSED IT, THEN WE WOULD, IT WOULD STILL NEED TO BE INDIVIDUALLY.
UH, PROPERTIES WILL BE BY RIGHT SHORT-TERM RENTAL USE.
SO IF YOU OWN YOUR PROPERTY, IF YOU OWN A PROPERTY, YOU DON'T, YOU ONLY HAVE TO GO BEFORE THEM.
IF THEY, IF THE LOCALITY PASSES, SOMETHING SAYS HE DON'T ALLOW SHORT.
I WAS LOOKING AT GEORGE LIKE CLARIFICATION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BILL SAYS, BUT THAT CERTAINLY HAS BEEN ON THE TABLE.
AND PAST YEARS, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WENT TO RICHMOND LIKE A MONTH AGO, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THERE WAS DEBATE ABOUT BY RIGHT OR LEAVING IT IN LOCAL CONTROL.
AND THEY, AT THE LAST MINUTE LEFT IT IN LOCAL CONTROL.
NOW, IF THEY'RE GOING TO SWING BACK THE OTHER WAY, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE DRAFT.
THE NEXT STATEMENT WAS, UM, I BELIEVE THEY PURCHASED THIS HOME ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.
UM, AND THEY HAVE BEEN USED AGAINST SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
THEY ARE TRYING TO BRING THIS INDEPENDENT MORMON.
AND IT HAS BEEN OVER A YEAR, AS NATASHA SAID THAT THIS HAS BEEN USED AS SUCH.
HOW MANY, NO PRESSURE, UM, MOTELS AND HOTELS ARE IN THE TOWN OF PORT ROYAL.
DO YOU KNOW? I RECENTLY SAW OVER THERE UP TO 75, BUT NOT ACCURATE.
SOMEBODY, I THINK THAT WAS WHOEVER WROTE THAT THERE THERE'S NO WAY THEY'RE 75, 17 75 EMAIL.
I HAVE TO BE THERE TO BE UNDER 20 BJ.
WE ALL KNOW HAWK AND I WANT TO BULLDOZE A COUPLE BJ SAID HE THINKS WE HAVE 17 SIT SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE FOR LODGING, FOR LODGING TAX OR A HOTEL THAT INCLUDES THE BED AND BREAKFAST SOME TOWN TOO, RIGHT THERE.
UM, IT'S IT'S I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
BUT IT'S THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE ILLEGAL.
I, THE ONLY REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION AT ALL WAS JUST BECAUSE I, I JUST, I, I, IN MY HEAD, I STARTED THINKING, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE IT'S ALREADY BEEN EXISTING, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THAT, I GET THAT.
BUT I JUST THOUGHT IN, I JUST STARTED, STARTED THINKING IN MY HEAD, IF THAT BECOMES A THING, WHICH ACCORDING TO AMBER, IF THE STATE PASSES IT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT UNLESS WE PASS A RESOLUTION.
AND, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT, I, IT IS THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WITH IT, WHAT THEY WANT.
I AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT LIKE I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, I DIDN'T, I CHOSE MY HOUSE BASED ON WHERE I WANTED TO LIVE.
I DIDN'T WANT TO LIVE BESIDE HOTELS.
SO THAT'S ALL THAT I JUST, YOU KNOW, I JUST THROWN THAT OUT THERE AND HAD TO BE LIKE, HI, CROCK REPORTS FROM THE KALE, VIRGINIA, VIRGINIA AT THE CORNER.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANT TO ASK ABOUT THIS PLACE OR THIS, THESE TWO?
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ALRIGHT.SO I GUESS WE WILL BE VISITING THAT ON G 27.
YOU WILL, THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONAL THAT ARE GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION NOW.
SO THEY'RE STEADILY ROLLING IN.
I HAVE PEOPLE, LIKE YOU SAID, FROM OTHER STATES, LOOKING TO BUY PROPERTY HERE TO MAKE THEM SHORT TERM RENTALS.
NOW THAT IT'S PAST, I BELIEVE IT'S THE TEXT AMENDMENT.
THE DATA CENTERS JUST TEXT AMENDMENT IS GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION AGAIN THIS WEEK, WE'VE GOT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AND THIS IS TO ALLOW PYREX HAS INCLUDED PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
UM, THE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY DID DECIDE TO TABLE THIS.
HEY, SO A COUPLE OF LITTLE THINGS UNDER SITE DESIGN AND LAYOUT, THAT WAS, UH, IT, IT WAS ON PAGE 42, AN IRISH THING OF ABOUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS, HOW YOU FIGURE I DON'T.
IF YOU GO TO PAGE 40 IS SITE DESIGN AND LAYOUT AND WE'RE RIGHT.
SO SEE ACCESS AN INTERNAL CIRCULATION.
SO I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING CAUSE IT SAYS ACCESS AND INTERNAL CIRCULATION SHALL BE DESIGNED.
SO IT'S NOT CHIMPY DRIVE ON A PUBLIC STREET ACCESS BY THE FOLLOWING MEANS BABY APPROVED POLAND.
WHAT, WHERE IS THAT? SO IT'S ACCESS BY THE FOLLOWING MEANS MAYBE APPROVED TO ME WHEN I SEE SOMETHING WITH A COLON.
THAT MEANS YOU'RE ABOUT TO LIST WHAT THOSE FOLLOWING MEANS.
MAYBE THAT'S IT, THE PROVISION OF SHARED ENTRANCES AND OF COURSE, INFECTION TRAVEL.
SO UNDER ONE, IT REALLY SHOULD BE A, B, C THAT'S ALL FORMAT.
I WAS TELLING TINA EARLIER, IF THERE WERE SOME FORMAT THINGS.
UNDER THAT WAY, NET I, NOW I WRITE IT DOWN.
NO, ALL I KNOW IS THERE WAS A THING THAT SAID ACCEPTABLE FENCING, EXAMPLES BELOW, AND THEN THERE WEREN'T ANY THAT'S UNDER FENCES.
THERE WERE IMAGES THEY'RE SHOWING THE TYPES OF MATERIALS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED THAT, THAT, SO THAT WOULDN'T BE OKAY.
SO THAT ONE NEEDED TO BE OKAY.
AND THEN JUST ANOTHER FORMATTING THING.
CAUSE LIKE EVERYTHING, A, B, C, D E H, I J ALL OF THOSE WERE UNDERLINE, UNDERLINE, UNDERLINE.
AND THEN YOU GET TO K WHERE IT SAYS PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLE FACILITIES AND IT'S NOT UNDERLINED.
SHOULD IT BE? AND THEN L DOWNREGULATION SHALL BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE UNDERLYING ZONING.
SO THAT SHOULD BE UNDERLINED TOO.
I DIDN'T, YEAH, THAT CAUSE THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING UNDER IT.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANNA OFFER ON THE DATE OF ORDINANCE PUBLIC HEARING? THIS IS WEDNESDAY NIGHT, RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE ALREADY GETTING FEEDBACK AS A COUNCIL, SO I WOULD EXPECT PEOPLE TO ATTEND MAYBE A HOT PLACE TO BE WHEN.
I DON'T, I DON'T ANY, IF ANY, OH, GOOD.
AND I KNOW THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT I HAD, THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING I WAS, HAD BEEN SPEAKING.
UM, THE TOWN MANAGER, I'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT OUR ROADS AND THE CONDITION OF OUR ROADS AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WHILE I RECOGNIZE SOME OF IT, IT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING UNDERGROUND.
UM, THERE WERE DEFINITELY LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
SO, DAVID, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT FORESEE OR PJ OR DANA? I COULD TACKINESS, BUT I THINK
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ECHO OF JUST WHAT THE VICE MARCET AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT I THINK IT'S, IT'S ABOUT TIME.WE REALLY START REALLY FOCUSING ON OUR, OUR, OUR ASPHALT, OUR PAYMENTS, AND THERE ARE DOLLARS.
WE GET THAT OUR PRIMARY ROADS, ROYAL AVENUE AND COMMERCE STREET, BUT THERE'S NO DOLLARS FOR SOME OF THE SECONDARY AND SUBDIVISION ROADS AND THIS COMMUNITY STARTING TO LOOK LIKE A QUILT OUT THERE.
UH, RIGHTLY SO WE, BEFORE WE PAVE A ROAD, UH, WE GO IN AND WE REPAIR ALL THE WATER AND SEWER LINES.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO AND OPEN, CUT IT AGAIN.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR OVERALL ASSETS AND OUR CONDITIONS OF OUR ROADWAYS, WE'RE NOT KEEPING PACE OF IT AT ALL.
AND SO WHEN BJ AND I, WE MET AND HEARING FROM CONCERNS, WE FELT THAT ANY ADDITIONAL DOLLARS WE GET WITH COUNCILS, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATION APPROVAL, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT REALLY GOES TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND IT GOES TO ASPHALT.
AND SO, UM, ON THE TABLE, YOU HAVE A BUDGET AMENDMENT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, FOCUSING A MILLION DOLLARS.
IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE ALREADY BUDGETED IN FYI 23 TO GO TOWARDS ASPHALT VJ, YOU GOT ANYTHING TO SHARE, KIND OF SUMMARIZES IT FOR THE MOST PART.
THERE, THEY, THE, THIS WILL REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE IT EXCEEDS 1% OF OUR BUDGETED AMOUNTS.
SO WE'D HAVE TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING IN ORDER TO DO THE BUDGET AMENDMENT AND THE BUDGET TRANSFER.
AND WHAT WE'LL BE DOING IS TRANSFERRING THOSE DOLLARS OVER FROM THE GENERAL FUND OVER TO THE STREET FUND TO ACCOMMODATE.
YEAH, MY COMMENT IS THAT I JUST, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY HARD SOMETIMES FOR CITIZENS TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON UNDERGROUND, BUT THEY DEFINITELY SEE WHAT THEY SEE WHAT AC OVER, YOU KNOW? UM, SO I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY, BUT I KNOW I, I, I KNOW KATHLEEN, I HAD HAD THIS CONVERSATION ONE NIGHT TO ABOUT, OR ONE DAY ABOUT JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALLY DO NEED TO LOOK AT OUR BUDGET FOR PAVING.
SO I, I WOULD SUPPORT THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW OTHER PEOPLE FEEL AHEAD.
AND EVERYBODY KNOWS HERE, KNOW THE WAY PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THAT.
CAUSE I'M QUESTIONING MORE OF THE ROOTS.
RESIDENTIAL, WOULDN'T BE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE DONE THE SEWER, THE WATER WORK ALREADY, AND THEN PAY THOSE FIRST.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE ONES WITH THE PROBLEM.
I HAVE JUST ONE MORE OBSERVATION.
I WALKED THIS TOWN WITH STONES, UM, GEORGE BANKS, LITTLE LORD, THE ONE THAT THIS, UM, THAT ROAD IS A MOUNTAIN VIEW AND WE GET SOME BETTER.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS IN THE LIST.
UM, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GRAB A BEAT THERE.
I MEAN, I'M TELLING YOU, IT REALLY IS.
SO ROBBIE DO, DO WE HAVE ALL THE PAYMENT CONDITIONING REPORTS FOR MOST OF OUR ROADS IN THE TOWN OR IS IT JUST GOING TO RAIN? AND SO WE HAVE A RATING SYSTEM OF CONDITIONS OF OUR ROADS THAT WE FEEL THAT WE NEED TO HIT THOSE BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE HORSE CONDITION CONDITION.
AND THERE'S SOME ROADS THAT SINCE THAT PAYMENT FINISHING READINESS HAPPENED AND THEY'VE GOTTEN WORSE.
AND SO THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME DISCRETION, BUT OUR FOCUS IS TRYING TO, UH, FIX THOSE ROADS WHERE THE WELL, ONE SIDE OF IT LOOKS PRETTY WELL.
SOME FILL IN A COUPLE OF SPOTS AND VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS WHILE THE MILLION DOLLARS SEEM A LOT.
IT DOESN'T REALLY GET YOU MUCH NOWADAYS THAT PURCHASING POWER HAS JUST IS, IS THIS REALLY, UH, DETERIORATED? SO THIS WOULD BE EQUIVALENT PROBABLY TO $700,000 TWO YEARS AGO.
THAT'S HOW BAD IT IS RIGHT NOW.
UH, I THINK STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WITH OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, BUT ONE OF THE FOCUS AS WE GEAR UP FOR THE, FOR FUTURE CAPITAL PLANS IS EVERY YEAR WE DELAY, IT'S GOING TO COST A LOT MORE.
AND I KNOW WE ALL HEARD THAT BEFORE, BUT I THINK IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, IT'S REALLY
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GOING TO COST A LOT MORE.SO WE REALLY GOT TO AGGRESSIVELY ATTACK SOME OF OUR HANDLING STRUCTURES, AT LEAST GET THEM FUNDED IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS, WE WERE THEM SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, MAYBE A YEAR AGO WITHOUT TAKING LOANS OUT TO TAKE CARE OF SOMEBODY.
AND SO ARE WE STILL WE'RE WE'RE THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR DEPENDENT ON ALL RIGHT, THERE'S A LOT IN PLAY HERE.
WE'VE GOT THE ASSESSMENTS COMING UP IN 23.
PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES HAVE ALREADY INCREASED OUR PROJECTION REVENUE, A POSITIVE, DEPENDING ON WHAT COUNCIL DECIDES TO DO IN 23 WITH EQUALIZING THEIR ASSESSMENT, YOU CAN DEDICATE ESSENTIALLY A PENNY, NOT NECESSARILY A TAX INCREASE, BUT WE CAN FIND A WAY THAT CAN BE FOCUSED, JUST ALL INFRASTRUCTURE, WHERE WE COULD GO OUT AND GET A DEBT SERVICES.
COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO COMMIT TO A PENNY OR A HALF A PENNY.
AND RIGHT NOW PENNY ONLY GETS US ONE 30 TO 1 36.
BUT THAT NEXT YEAR IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT STORY.
BUT NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, COME, COME JANUARY, FEBRUARY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE PROPOSALS, BUT I WILL GO AHEAD AND SAY IT.
I PLAN ON PROPOSING THAT SERVICES FOR INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE THEY JUST, EVEN IF WE'RE PAYING 3% OR 4%, BUT DOING IT NOW, WE'RE PAYING A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE ARE IN INTEREST, THE WAY WE'RE DOING OUR PROJECTS.
NOW IN THIS TOWN, HONESTLY PUT A RIDER ON IT THAT IT COMES OFF WHEN IT'S PAID FOR THE INTEREST THAT IS BEING CHARGED ON.
SOME OF THE, THE LOANS, YOU KNOW, WOULD HAVE, COULD HAVE THREE YEARS WOULD HAVE ALREADY HAD OUTPACED.
AND WE JUST CAN'T RISK THAT IN THE FUTURE.
I KNOW WHERE IT'S STILL ON THIS TOPIC, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO, I CAN'T, I WROTE IT DOWN.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM OR SOMEWHERE LATER.
SO IF IT DOES SAY WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT LATER, BUT THE THERMOPLASTIC PAVEMENT MARKINGS, IS THAT FURTHER DOWN THE AGENDA OR IS THAT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
YOU MEAN THERE IS THE DID RIGHT.
WHEN WE GET TO THAT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
I DIDN'T, I USUALLY WRITE MY NOTES WHEN I'M DOING THIS.
SO, UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO OFFER ABOUT FORCE THE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS CHANGE? I THINK, I THINK OURS, THE DISCIPLINES WOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT, UM, OR AT LEAST THE ONES THAT ARE TALKING TO ME.
YOU WOULD BE HAPPY ABOUT THIS IF YOU ALL ARE TALKING TO SOMEBODY ELSE, ANYBODY.
SO FOR D WE'VE BEEN ON ONTO 48 AND 48 IS GOING TO BE, YES.
YOU'VE BEEN OUT OF MY VICE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
UM, JOINING ME THIS EVENING, YOU CAN STEAL FROM CHA AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY OUR PROJECT ENGINEER ON THIS PROJECT.
IT'S NOT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYBODY FOR SURE.
THIS IS JUST A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THIS PROJECT.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE 2018.
WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY APPROXIMATELY 26,000 LINEAR FEET OF 12 INCH WATER LINE.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IT STARTED BACK IN 2018.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RE KIND OF REQUESTING COUNCIL ACTION.
WE REALLY ONLY HAVE THREE MORE EASEMENTS TO ACQUIRE, UM, LOOKING AT, UM, HAVING COUNCIL, UH, CONSIDER THE, THE RESOLUTION OF PUBLIC NECESSITY INTO ENABLE US TO FURTHER THE ACQUISITION PROCESS ON THE REMAINING THREE EASEMENTS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS EVENING, WE'RE GIVING YOU AN OVERVIEW, A VERY BRIEF ONE.
UM, AND REALLY MAKING SURE THAT YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON THE 27TH, UH, FOR THE EASEMENT, UM, THE PUBLIC NECESSITY EASEMENT.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAD, UH, MR. STEELE PUT TOGETHER A WHITEBOARD JUST TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE OVERALL PROJECT IS SINCE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE FOLKS HAVE SEEN A VISUAL OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE SCHULTZ EASEMENT, UM, TO THE NORTH THERE, AND THEN THE REMAINING TWO, UH, FNR PARTNERSHIP, UM, PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE EAST MYTHS THERE AS WELL.
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THANK YOU, VANNA.AND, UH, WE'VE ALREADY NOT, THAT'S THE IDEA, THE YELLOW, THE YELLOW LINES WERE GOOD, CORRECT? RIGHT.
AND THEN THE LAST TWO, YOU SEE ONE LITTLE TINY ONE, WHICH IS THE SHELTIES EASEMENT AND THEN THE TWO FNR PARTNERSHIP EASEMENT.
AND OF COURSE, UM, AFTER YOU ALL TAKE ACTION ON JUNE 27, WE'LL BE SENDING OUT THE GOOD FAITH LETTERS TO HELP HOPEFULLY ROUND UP THE LAST THREE PROPERTIES.
UH, IF WE'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL, UM, WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, THEN OBVIOUSLY THE CONDEMNATION PROCESS WILL TAKE PLACE.
UM, AND THE MEMO, THAT'S PART OF THE PACKET.
YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW STAFF AND IN OUR CONSULTANT TEAM HAS REACHED OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, EXTENSIVELY TO TRY TO GET THE LAST THREE ROUNDED OUT.
UM, SO WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR MR. STEEL AS WELL.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM EVERYTHING WE READ IN OUR PACKET, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY TRYING TO GET THESE EASEMENTS, TRYING TO WORK WITH PEOPLE.
UM, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE DOING THAT EVEN BEFORE THE JUNE 27TH MEETING.
UM, AND IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR ME TO ASK, LIKE WHAT W WHY IT DOESN'T, BECAUSE IT'S A NEGOTIATION PROCESS, I'M SURE.
BUT SO IS THE IDEA, ARE THEY, ARE THEY, ARE THEY NOT WANTING TO WORK WITH US OR THEY FEEL LIKE, YEAH, I GUESS I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE ASKING THAT.
WELL, IN REGARDS TO THE SCHULTZ EASEMENT, UM, WE HAVE REACHED OUT EXTENSIVELY AND THEY'VE BEEN NON-RESPONSIVE.
AND SO REALLY, IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKET, IT'S ONLY $136.
IN FACT, THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T NEED TO DO AN APPRAISAL FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S UNDER $10,000.
AND SO $36 FOR THE EASEMENT FOR THE CONSULTANTS METHODOLOGY.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, UM, IF WE GO THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFYING THE PUBLIC NECESSITY AND WE GO THROUGH THE CONDEMNATION PROCESS, THEN BASICALLY YOU WILL, THE TOWN WILL PAY THE COURT.
THE COURT WILL HOLD THE MONEY.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY, UM, EITHER, YOU KNOW, ETHANOL PARTNERSHIP OR THE SCHULTZ, UM, PROPERTY OWNER, THEY WILL ACTUALLY HAVE TO HIRE THEIR OWN ATTORNEY AND GET IT BACK THROUGH THE COURT.
SO IT'S GOING TO COST A WHOLE LOT MORE TO THEM FOR ALL THE WAY.
AND SO THEY PROBABLY JUST DECIDED THAT IT'S NOT WORTH THEIR UP, BUT I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THESE AND ACQUISITIONS.
CLEARLY WE'RE ACTING ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS.
WE ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE THAT IN A MANUAL PROCESS FOR THEM.
MOST OF THE TIME, I WOULD SAY 95% OF THE TIME WE ARE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE PEOPLE AT FIRST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
WE'RE NOT TAKING YOUR PROPERTY STILL BELONG TO YOU.
WE SIMPLY WANT THE RIGHT TO PUT A UTILITY IN THERE.
THAT'S GOING TO HELP THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AND BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
WHEN IT SELLS, YOU STILL SELL THAT ACREAGE.
THERE'S JUST AN EASEMENT ATTACHED TO IT SAYING, THERE'S A WATER ON THERE.
YOU CAN'T GO TO THE HOUSE ON TOP OF THESE, MOST OF THE FOLKS THAT AREN'T SUCCESSFUL, THEY DON'T WANT THE MONEY.
THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS GONNA CHANGE THEIR LIVES.
AND SO IN THE ESSENCE OF THE WHOLE TOWN, THEN WE, WE HELP.
I MEAN, IT'S PROBABLY LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME, GO THROUGH THE CONDEMNATION PROCESS.
WE HAVE AN EXTENSIVE LIST OF ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE REACHED OUT.
AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'LL DOCUMENT, WHERE WE'VE MADE IN PERSON EVENT EMAILS.
WE'VE HAD, I WALKED THAT ENTIRE FNR LINE CAME OFF.
I THINK I HAD 12 TICKS PROPERTY, RIGHT? THAT'S ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WOULD IMPACT AND HOW THAT MIGHT BETTER THE PROPERTY.
AND WE, WE DID EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DIG THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT, WE WANT TRANSPARENCY, RIGHT? THEY WANT TO DIG THROUGH THAT PROCESS, ASKED ME AND KATHLEEN, WHAT WE'VE DONE.
WE'VE GOT EVERY PIECE OF PAPER AND DOCUMENTATION TO SHOW THAT WE DID EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY COULD.
WE CAN'T HAVE A SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER HOLDING UP.
I TOLD MY DAUGHTER POP ART PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN MADE A PRIORITY BY COUNCIL AND THE CONSTITUENTS OF MOTIVE MEANT.
SO THAT'S WHY THE CONDEMNATION PROCESS WAS CREATED SO THAT WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT.
WE'VE GOT AN APPRAISER THAT DOES B DOT APPRAISAL WORK ALL OVER THE STATE FOR THE LAST DECADE.
AND THEY, THE APPRAISAL THAT THEY DID, THEY, THEY WILL STAND BEHIND IT IN A COURT OF LAW, BUT THEY HAVE TO.
SO WE'VE MADE SURE WE CHECK EVERY BOX AND COUNSEL IS VERY, WILL BE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT COMES OUT OF THAT.
AND ANY QUESTIONS THAT WOULD BE ASKED OVER THEM OR ME FOR THAT MATTER.
I FEEL BETTER KNOWING THAT YOU REALLY, YOU GUYS REALLY HAVE TRIED CAUSE MY NEVER,
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MY CUP IS NEVER UNTIL I, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO WORK WITH PEOPLE.UM, SO, AND WHO KNOWS, WE SAW TIME.
IT COULD HAPPEN, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE WATCHING THE, SO I'LL JUST ADD IT.
THIS IS A STEP IN THE PROCESS TONIGHT.
IT'S JUST A STEP OF THE PROCESS.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THE TOWN'S GOING TO END OVER AT THE COURTHOUSE.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE WILL, BUT THIS IS A STEP IN THE PROCESS, RIGHT? TO ACQUIRE THE, THE EASEMENT.
LEGALLY, WE HAVE TO OFFER A GOOD FAITH OFFER, WHICH IS DEVELOPED USING AN APPRAISAL BY A CERTIFIED APPRAISAL COMPANY THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE DETERMINED TO BE YOUR GOOD FAITH OFFER FOR THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE? COMMON, HARRY, DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
YEAH, I KNOW YOU WERE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS OKAY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
I GUESS IF Y'ALL NEED ME TO CALL IN AND LET ME ANYBODY HAVE ANY MR. THOMPSON, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ALONG TO FIVE.
LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE DJ DJ BWG.
PRETTY MUCH DJ FOR A LOT UNTIL I, SO, AND THEN THE, THE, UH, THE STANDS AND ASPHALT A AND B THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BID OUT EVERY YEAR.
IT'S KIND OF A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM.
WE HAVE BITS BACK REQUESTING A COUNCIL TO PROVE THOSE EXACTLY THE SAME VENDORS THAT I HAD FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
UM, SO NOTHING KIND OF OUT OF THE ORDINARY, THERE OBVIOUSLY PRICES WENT UP AS, UH, AS, AS EVERYTHING, BUT THEY WERE BETTER LIT EVALUATED, UH, THE BUDGET AMENDMENT NUMBER C OR LETTER C THERE, THAT'S WHERE THE SPONSORSHIP OF THE GAZEBO MOVIES.
UM, LIZZIE, UH, WENT OUT AND GOT SPONSORS OVER REQUESTING TO INCREASE REVENUES, TO, UH, TO OFFSET THE EXPENSES FOR THOSE MOVIES.
SO FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR, I BELIEVE IT WAS $1,200 THERMO OR PAVEMENT MARKINGS.
UH, THERE ARE CLASSIC PAVEMENT MARKINGS.
THE, UM, UH, SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THOSE, UH, BIDS AND, UM, WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS LATER THIS WEEK.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHERE THAT WILL GO MORE COUNCIL.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'LL BE THE NEXT MEETING FOR SURE.
UM, MAYBE PUSHBACK TO A FUTURE MEETING MAY END UP CANCELING YOUR BIDDING.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE ARE WE STANDING? OKAY.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS NEVER, WHEN I SAID I HAD SOMETHING IN THE NOTES, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT LETTER NOW IN THERE, WHAT IT IS.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK BECAUSE IT WAS ASKED OF US.
UM, I WAS ACTUALLY ASKED TO GARY, ANNA, SO YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
WE WERE WHEN YOU WERE TALKING.
SO THERE ARE SOME PLACES AROUND TOWN WHERE, UM, LIKE THE CROSSWALKS OR THE ARROWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, I I'M ASSUMING, OR COULD YOU JUST GIVE ME AN UPDATE ON WHAT IT'S LOOKING LIKE? IT IS PROBABLY THEY USE A MELANOMA LAZY GOING TO SAY, WELL, HOW DID THEY MILL IT? YEAH.
WE, WE'RE NOT REAL SURE WHY THEY CHANGED IT.
THEY TRIED TO SAY TO, AND LOU RAY, BUT THEY HAD DONE CERTAIN AREAS.
SO WE'RE WORKING TO TRY TO EITHER WORK WITH THEM AND FIX IT OR DO SOMETHING OURSELVES.
WELL, YEAH, WELL, THEY, THEY ERADICATED.
THAT'S WHAT THE ORIGINAL TERM IS.
THAT'S CALLED MILLING, BUT I MEAN TO EXTENT, BUT WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE THERMOPLASTIC OVER THE LAYER? IT, IT MELTS INTO THE ASPHALT.
AND SO WHAT THEY, WHAT WE DID HAVE IT IN THE CONTRACT SPECS MONITOR, STANDING, WHERE THERE IS SOME ERADICATION THAT IS NEEDED TO KIND OF TOP OFF THE EXISTING THERMO, BECAUSE IF YOU PUT LAYERS, IT'S LIKE SHINGLES, YOU PUT MULTIPLE LAYERS.
THEN WHEN THE SNOWPLOW CONES IT'LL JUST RIP IT OFF.
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TRYING TO GET IT DOWN WHERE IT'S FLUSHED WITH THE ASPHALT.THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS THEY USED A SKID LOADER HERE, COUNCILMAN GLASSY, AND THEY HAD THE MIDDLING ON THERE AND THE PROPER PRESSURE IN THE MILLING THAT BUILD DEEPER THAN WHAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
AND SO, AS A RESULT, WHEN YOU GO OVER, IT FEELS LIKE A RUMBLE STRIP INSTEAD OF A THERMO.
SO KATHLEEN AND ROBBIE, DOING A GREAT JOB, WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO FIGURE OUT HOW ARE THEY GOING TO FIX IT? SO YOU WON'T HAVE THAT RUMBLE STRIP FEELING AND WE CAN PUT THE THERMAL BAG.
BUT NO, ONLY TO THAT, IF YOU'D NOTICED, WHEN THEY, IF YOU DO IT BY HAND ERADICATION, YOU CAN KIND OF BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEANER AS I CALL THEM THERE.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THEY WERE JUST ALL OVER THE MAP WHEN IT COMES TO THE ARROWS AND STUFF.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT ON THE PROCESS SO THAT THEY, THEY, AS IN CONTRACTORS, THAT I I'VE JUST LIMITED, I'M JUST ASKING SO THAT, THAT PEOPLE WILL KNOW BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ASKING.
SO, SO FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT, WE'RE AWARE OF THE PROBLEM WE'RE WORKING ON THE PROBLEM, WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND THE END RESULT WILL BE THAT IT WON'T LOOK LIKE THAT, OR FEEL LIKE THAT NO MATTER WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE FIXED, THAT KIND OF TIES BACK INTO WHAT BJ WAS SAYING WITH THAT THIS MAY OR MAY NOT BE ON THE 27TH, THE, UH, YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY THIS IS THE ONE HERE, BUT COULD BE PUSHED BACK.
UM, ANYTHING ON THAT BEFORE ON THAT, BEFORE I MOVE ON, UH, ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING SERVICES, I'VE WORKED WITH THE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT THAT'D BE A WORD TO SOUTH EASTERN SOUTHEASTERN CONSULTING SERVICES, WHO WE'VE USED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR PUBLIC WORKS.
UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS COULD BE PUT FORWARD FOR THAT FOR CHA.
IT WAS JUST UP HERE AND, UM, UH, PROTESTS.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, UH, MULTIPLE FIRMS TO USE ONE THAT, UH, THAT'LL BE GOING FORWARD, UH, SUPERVISORY CONTROL AND DATA ACQUISITION, SCADA CHANGE ORDER FOR THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
UM, SO THIS IS COMING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
UM, WE DID ALLOCATE ADDITIONAL FUNDS TOWARD THIS PROJECT, WHICH COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE BECAUSE IT EXCEEDS 25% OF THE ORIGINAL BUDGET.
UH, ORIGINALLY I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THIS CHANGE ORDER IS $41,000 REASON BEING WHILE WE'RE DECIDING TO GO FORWARD WITH IT NOW AND NOT WAIT UNTIL LATER, IS, IS THAT THE, UM, UH, PLANT IS CURRENTLY RUNNING ON A ADULTS' DISC OPERATING SYSTEM.
THAT'S HOW IT IS, AND IT CAN'T BE UPGRADED OR THE COST TO UPGRADE OR CREATE THAT CONVERSION.
THE COST OF GRADE THAT CONVERSION, UH, WOULD EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF, UH, ACTUALLY JUST DOING THE UPGRADE AND VICE MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, JUST GO AHEAD.
THIS WAS ONE OF Y'ALL'S COUNCIL INITIATIVES.
THAT'S THE FUNDING THAT BY 23, AS BJ SAID, WE NEEDED ACCELERATED AND A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, TO TRY TO HELP THAT OUT.
I, I WAS JUST WONDERING, MAKE HER COMMENT WHEN I WAS LOOKING THROUGH, IT SOUNDS LIKE UPGRADE IS, IS REALLY NECESSARY IF OUR OWN STUFF IS OUT OF DATE, BECAUSE TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE, THAT'S BASICALLY TRYING TO GEL WITH SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY OUT OF DATE, THEN IT'S JUST GOING TO PRESENT POTENTIAL PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE AND STILL GO BACK AND SPEND MONEY.
SO I THINK IT'S BETTER FOR US TO DO IT NOW WHILE WE'RE IN THE UPGRADE PROCESS RATHER THAN COME BACK AT A LATER TIME AND IT'S GONNA ALLOW FOR MORE SECURITY FEATURES TO VERY GOOD THING.
I KNOW WHEN WINCHESTER UPGRADED THEIR CITY YEARS AGO, I MEAN, IT'S CHANGED THEIR EMPLOYEES AND THAT'S, THAT WAS THE, ONE OF THE BIGGER THINGS FOR US WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD IS FOR THE EMPLOYEES WAS ONE OF THE THINGS, RIGHT? SO MAYBE WE CAN CUT BACK ON THE HOURS IS WHAT OUR GOAL IS EVENTUALLY.
CAUSE THE, YOU HAVE A CLEAN SHIFTS OUT TO NOT BE POLITICALLY CORRECT.
AND BACK THAT JUST AN EXTRA ADDED DERRICK COULD HELP WITH RETENTION OF OUR EMPLOYEES,
SO THANKS FOR COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION THERE THAT BENEFITS EVERYBODY.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE WE'LL STAY THERE.
AND THEN THE NEXT IS THE RIGHT OFF OF BAD DEBT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 21, 22, BUT WE'RE COMING TO COUNCIL QUARTERLY ON THIS.
AND THEN, UM, THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL JUST TO DO IT ANNUALLY AS WE HAD THE FAST.
UM, AND WE ARE REQUESTING, UH, TO REMOVE ACCOUNTS THAT ARE FIVE YEARS OR OLDER, UH, TOTAL AND $46,000, 166 UTILITY ACCOUNTS, UM, DOES SEEM LIKE A LOT OF MONEY.
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WHEN IN THEIR 40 $50 MILLION BUDGET, WE ARE COLLECTING 99% OF THE ACCOUNTS BEFORE WE WRITE THEM OFF.SO THAT IS A HUGE, HUGE, UH, ALL MY STAFF, UM, WE'RE CONSTANTLY COLLECTING, SITTING A BAD DEBT TO THE DEBT SET OFF AND, UH, RAISE OTHER COLLECTION MEANS.
SO THIS DOES REQUIRE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.
LIKE THEY HAVEN'T DONE BEFORE FISCAL YEAR AND THE BALANCE SHEET ITEM, SO WILL NOT AFFECT THE REVENUE.
THESE, THESE REVENUES HAVE CAME DOWN TREMENDOUSLY.
UH, FIRST STARTED ON, YEAH, YOU REMEMBER THE BIG ONE? WE DID COME ALONG THE WAY, BUT WE HADN'T DONE IT FOR A NUMBER OF YOUR HEARTBURN.
I KNOW THE FIRST TIME WE DID THIS, WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, I WAS KINDA, IT WAS LIKE, I LIKE, I WAS LIKE, WHAT? AND, AND THEN WHEN YOU EXPLAINED HOW MUCH EFFORT YOU ALL GO TO GETTING THESE, I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M KINDA, I'M KINDA SETTLING IN ON IT NOW.
I'M NOT GOING TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS TONIGHT.
JUST SEEM ALL THOSE PEOPLE, IT TAKES A BEATING TO GET YOU DO THANK YOU FOR ALL THEIR WORK, AMBER, SEEING IT FOR THE PERSON.
I KNOW YOU LOOK AT THIS AND YOU WANT IT BACK.
WHO LIVED THERE,
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT'S, IT'S ALL OF THEM, BUT, UH, SOME OF THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WILL LEAVE US.
THEY'LL HAVE A, UM, UH, WE HAVE A SERIOUS MEDICAL CONDITION LETTER.
SOMEONE CAN GET, IF THEY HAVE A SERIOUS MEDICAL CONDITION OR MAYBE IT'S A WATER LEAK, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A HIGH WATER BILL AND THEN THEY JUST UP AND LEAVE RATHER THAN FIXING THE NEXT PERSON'S PROBLEM.
UM, THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THAT COULD GO INTO THESE.
I REMEMBER YOU EXPLAINING THAT ABOUT MEDICAL THINGS THAT IF SOMEBODY IS LIVING THERE AND IT, AND THEIR MEDICAL CONDITION REQUIRES ELECTRICITY, OBVIOUSLY, LIKE WE ALL WANT ELECTRICITY, BUT THAT YOU CAN'T CUT IT OFF IF IT'S, I MEAN, YEAH.
I MEAN, WHICH I WOULDN'T WANT YOU TO, I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S, THERE'S MORE TO THIS THAN JUST, THERE'S A PROCESS THAT HAS TO BE GONE THROUGH IN ORDER FOR US TO COLLECT THOSE.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY'S LIFE AND BOTTOM LINE MANGER, BUT THERE'S A PROCESS THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH AND THEN I WOULD GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THE BILLS AS ESCALATING.
I JUST WANTED DAK AND AMBER TO HEAR THAT PART.
CAUSE WHEN YOU EXPLAINED THAT, THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS, THAT WAS MORE UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THAT? OKAY.
UM, SO I, AS, AS PRETTY MUCH AS DESCRIBED THERE, UM, THERE WAS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN THE CORRIDOR, UH, NEEDING WATER SERVICE AND ITSELF STORAGE IS WHAT THE BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE.
UM, UH, UNLIKE IN TOWN, WHEN YOU ARE OUTSIDE TOWN LIMITS, UH, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO BE AN EASEMENT.
UH, WE, WE DON'T OWN THE ROADS AS WE DO IN TOWN.
SO, UM, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE AND EASEMENTS.
UM, I'VE WORKED WITH JOE SILENCE OFFICE TO BANG THIS ONE HOUSE.
AND I THINK, UM, THE EXTENT OF THIS, UH, RAVI IS JUST TO GET TO THE WATERFALL, BUT YEAH, WE'LL PUT THE INTERCHANGE JUST PRETTY INTERCHANGED OVER THIS.
ONE'S FOR SELF STORAGE, THIS, JUST THIS LITTLE PIECE RIGHT HERE OF THE WATER EASEMENT, JUST TO GET TO THE METER BALL FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, AND THEY TOLD ME THEY EXPECT TO HAVE THE OWNER'S SIGNATURE TOMORROW, SO THAT'LL BE READY TO GO.
UH, JAY, UM, THE TOWN HAS SEVERAL TENANTS, UH, SELL TENANTS ON THE FAIRGROUNDS WATER TANK, WHICH INVOLVES ANTENNA ON TOP AND ON THE BOTTOM, UH, ON THE GROUND, UH, EQUIPMENT CABINETS AND WHATNOT.
AND THIS COMES UP FROM TIME TO TIME.
UH, TIMO WILL NEEDS A LITTLE MORE SPACE ON THE GROUND, UH, FOR AN EXTRA CABINET.
UM, YOU ARE GOING TO CHANGE OUT THE EQUIPMENT ON TOP, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ADD IN TENANTS IT'S JUST TO CHANGE OUT.
SO PUTTING ALL THAT TOGETHER, UH, IT REQUIRES A LEASE AMENDMENT.
UM, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SOME INCREASED RENT OUT OF THIS.
I THINK THEY'RE ONLY GETTING ANOTHER 300 SQUARE FEET OR SOMETHING ON THE GROUND.
AND, BUT IT REQUIRES COUNCIL APPROVAL BEING, UH, INTEREST IN REAL ESTATE.
HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO BE GETTING A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER MONTH?
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IT'S 200 A MONTH, BUT THE TOTAL IS UP TO THREE 30.SO TWO THINGS, ONE, THIS IS NOT A QUESTION.
I SURE HOPE THIS IMPROVES MY SERVICE WITH TEAM, BUT THE SECOND THING IS IN THE, IN THE COMMENTS, IT SAYS THE TOWN'S ENGINEERING CONSULTANT FIRM.
AND THAT WAS THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS IN THERE WHERE THAT'S ALL PART OF THIS.
AND I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE A TIGHTWAD, BUT IF, WHEN IT SAYS THE TOWN'S ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS, OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY WE PAY, RIGHT.
SHOULDN'T T-MOBILE HAVE TO BEAR THE BRUNT OF THAT COST OR IS THAT JUST, THEY ARE, AND YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED A BUDGET.
BUT WE MAINTAIN, WE MAINTAIN THIS CONSULTANT IS OUR CONSULTANT, WHICH IS GOOD.
AND DO YOU MAKE ANY QUESTIONS ON EITHER OF THOSE? SO ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR JUNE 20 STATUS UNLESS THE LESS D NEEDS TO BE PULLED OFF.
AND I'M ASSUMING BEFORE WE GET TO THAT OR IS THERE, UM, EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? ALL, NOBODY WANTS THAT TO NOT BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND BE A BUSINESS.
AND THREE BEYOND THE CONSENT ITEMS, TWO AND 30, UM, WHAT'S, WHAT'S EVERYBODY, THREE LANE NOT BE ABLE TO BE, UM, WHAT'S EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS ON PUTTING TWO THAT'S THE EASEMENT FOR 11TH STREET THAT YOU PROBABLY BROUGHT THAT UP TO ME UNLESS ANYBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT.
I MEAN, WE'VE CERTAINLY DISCUSSED IT.
ANYBODY HAVE A, OKAY, SO THE TWO WILL BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, TWO THREES AND THREE IS QUESTIONABLE MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO IT OR YOU MAY NOT BE READY.
AND THEN, SO NUMBER SIX, UPDATE ON THE JOINT TURNING ADVISORY BOARD AND K O I BELIEVE CHIEF THIS'LL BE QUICK AND EASY.
UM, THE COUNCIL AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, APPOINTED A, UH, JOINT TOWING ADVISORY BOARD, UM, FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT DIRECTED TOES.
IT REQUIRES EVERY FOUR YEARS THE PANEL TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND BOARD SUPERVISORS.
AND THE BOARD IS MADE UP OF THREE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THREE TOWING COMPANY OPERATORS AND A CITIZEN.
UM, IT'S BEEN IT'S, IT'S MOSTLY THE SAME FOLKS.
UM, WE ACTUALLY HAD CAPTAIN ROBINEAU AND WE'RE GOING TO BE REPLACING HIM WITH SERGEANT
UM, CAPTAIN MALL IS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AND SERGEANT BRIAN DAVIS IS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE VIRGINIA STATE POLICE.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, LOUIS THORPE WHO BARB WAS TOWING A GLORIA, NOT FROM KEENE TOWING.
AND, UH, I THINK AL KROLL FROM MIDWAY TOWING AND EMILY ROCKY IS THE, UM, IS THE CITIZEN APPOINTEE.
THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAD AND THE OTHERS DID TOO.
SHE DOES IT MATTER THAT SHE'S AN EMPLOYEE OF WARREN COUNTY IT'S IN THE BYLAWS THAT, UH, IT DOESN'T STATE OTHERWISE.
SO WE TRIED TO GET SOMEBODY ELSE FOR LIKE A YEAR AND FINALLY SHE WAS VOLUNTOLD.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE SHOULD BE GRATEFUL.
IF THERE, IF ANYBODY KNOWS ANYONE THAT'S INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THE JOINT TELLING IT THE WAY SHE DOES, SHE WAS APPOINTED.
SHE TAKES THE SECRETARY OF RESPONSIBILITY WITHIN THAT, WITHIN THAT BOARD, BUT SHE'S THE CITIZEN POINT TO, YES.
WE'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO SPICE UP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, WE'LL DO THIS AGAIN IN FOUR YEARS WHERE SOMEBODY
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YEAH.I HEARD THAT, UM, NUMBER SEVEN DESIGNATION OF COUNCIL MEMBER AND TOM STAFF TO DISCOVER FRONT ROW BOARD.
UM, SO I GUESS, UM, I, WE CAN DISCUSS THIS, I, THAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE TOWN STAFF MEMBER, ELIZABETH LEWIS, WHICH I TOTALLY, I MEAN, I ACTUALLY MADE THAT I WAS, I WAS MADE THAT SUGGESTION BEFORE.
I THINK THAT'S A PERFECT PERSON SINCE SHE'S OUR EVENTS COORDINATOR.
UM, SO LATASHA, I KNOW YOU CURRENTLY SIT ON THAT, CORRECT? YEAH.
SOME PART OF THE COMMITTEE AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO STAY ON IT FOR THE REST OF MY TERM.
UM, ANYBODY WANT TO FIGHT LATASHA FOR THAT JOB? NO, I KNOW GARY GARY'S ON IT.
I MEAN, I KNOW, I WANT TO SAY, I JUST WANT TO SAY, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER THOMPSON HAS, HAS DONE A FIVE FINANCIAL IS FANTABULOUS JOB.
UM, SHE WOULD BE MY PICK OF ANYBODY TO PUT BACK ON.
AND SO I THINK FOR SAKE OF, UH, CONTINUITY, THAT IT WOULD, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE, UH, THE BEST.
THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION FOR NOW, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S THE TASHA, WE BETTER HAVE A CHRISTMAS LIGHT SHOW WITH THAT MILLION DOLLARS COME DECEMBER CHRISTMAS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
SO IF ANYBODY HAS A, UH, NOBODY, I DON'T, I'M NOT GOING TO FIGHT FOR THAT.
AND THEN, SO EIGHT IS OUR OPEN DISCUSSION.
UM, AND SO PLANNING COMMISSIONER MEMBER, MR. JONES TERM EXPIRES IN AUGUST.
SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS IS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT SOMEBODY TO TAKE HIS PLACE IN AUGUST.
AND TO ADVERTISE AND TO ADVERTISE, AND WE NEED TO DO WE NEED TO DIRECT YOU TEST? WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S REALLY A NO BRAINER.
SO NOT ONLY ADVERTISE AND HOPEFULLY SOME PEOPLE WILL BE INTERESTED, BUT I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE TO, UM, TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, WANT, WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GET INVOLVED.
UM, I KNOW SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SOMETIMES I THINK JUST ASKING PEOPLE, THEY FEEL HONORED AND, AND SO LET'S TRY TO GET LOTS OF PEOPLE APPLYING FOR IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
AND, AND ALL OF US TRY TO LOOK FOR SOME PEOPLE TO, UM, THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? ARE WE GOOD, TINA? YOU'RE JUST GOING TO ADVERTISE FOR IT.
AND SO WE WOULD NEED TO PROBABLY HOLD INTERVIEWS BY THE BEGINNING OF ALL.
D DOES IT HAVE TO HAPPEN BEFORE AUGUST? WELL, IT'S AUGUST 31ST.
DID YOU HAVE QUITE A BIT OF TIME? OKAY.
CAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ENOUGH FOR A QUORUM BECAUSE WE REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF PC MEMBERS TO FIVE, RIGHT.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY'RE ALL THERE.
UM, AND THEN EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION DAY, UM, MR. HICKS, I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT IS SO YOU'RE TALKING TO, YEAH, WE'LL BE, UH, COME JULY 21ST.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EMPLOYEE APPRECIATION DAY AND TALKING WITH STAFF, WE PLAN TO KIND OF ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, ALL EMPLOYEES, UH, AS ONE LOCATION IN ADDITION, COUNSEL CONTINUES TO SUPPORT THE FUNDING FOR EACH DEPARTMENT THAT HAD THEIR APPRECIATION DAY.
AND THEN ON JULY 24, 7 WILL BE THE EMPLOY OF BASEBALL NIGHT OUT.
UM, AND SO WE WILL HAVE THAT'S AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AND THEN I JUST THOUGHT I'D SHARE THAT WITH COUNCILS SO THEY CAN START JUST MAKING OR PREPARING TO COME TO THE GAME OR ANYTHING.
AND THAT WILL INCLUDE TICKETS AND ALSO ABILITY TO HAVE A HOT DOG AT THE GAME AS WELL.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH COUNCIL AND THEN ALL THE TOYS, JULY 21ST, THEN BM AT THE CARDINALS.
DANE THAT'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO COME AND TAKE THEIR FAMILY TO, RIGHT.
YEAH, THAT, THAT WAS LAST YEAR, BUT THEY FINALLY ENDED UP HAPPENING THERE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO BRING UP? LIKE
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OKAY.UM, ONE THING I SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT, UH, VICE MAYOR, UM, WE NEED A FLAG POLE AT THE GAZEBO AREA.
I HAVE WRITTEN THAT DOWN IN MY NOTES.
SO, UM, WHICH WE MIGHT BE ABLE GET SOMEBODY TO SPOT, I MEAN, NOT SPONSORED, BUT I REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
THERE MIGHT BE SOME LOCAL BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT ONE, AS FAR AS PROFITABLY FINDING, UH, MAYBE A BUSINESS OWNER OR SOMEBODY TO SPONSOR THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, I'VE NOTICED, I KNOW TO EVERY VETERANS DAY, EVERY MEMORIAL DAY, I DON'T CALL IT MEMORIAL DAY CELEBRATION.
IT'S NOTHING LIKE THAT AT ALL.
UM, BUT, UM, AS WITH THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES DOWN NORTH ROYAL, IT'S REALLY HARD TO HEAR SOME OF THESE SPEAKERS.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY RESPECTFUL OF THIS COMMUNITY IF WE COULD HAVE A BETTER SOUND SYSTEM FOR, FOR, FOR THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, CAUSE YOU GET HEAVY TRAFFIC THAT COMES DOWN NORTH ROW.
IT'S REALLY HARD TO HEAR SOME OF THESE REASONS, SOME OF THESE SPEAKERS LIKE POSSIBLY MR. TOWN MANAGER, IF YOU WOULD, UH, LOOK INTO AND I'D BE MORE THAN GLAD TO HELP IF YOU NEED ME CAPACITY.
UM, COUNSELING GLASS IN OUR BANK AT THE MEMORIAL DAY AND, AND HE'S RIGHT.
THERE WAS, THERE WAS JUST A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING OUT ROLL AVENUE AND THE PEOPLE THAT WERE SPEAKING IT WAS, IT WAS HARD TO HEAR THEM.
AND I WOULD ALSO IMAGINE THAT LIKE IF WE DID GET A BETTER SOUND SYSTEM, IT MIGHT BE, IT CAN BE USED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I'M JUST THINKING EVEN SOME OF THE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT THE TOWNS DURING THAT LINDSEY'S DOING, THAT IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, SHE COULD USE FOR THAT.
IT COULD MAYBE BE HOUSED HERE AND PEOPLE CHECK IT OUT ON OR THINGS.
MAYBE I DON'T KNOW THAT DIDN'T LOOK BAD.
IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT GOT A WARM RECEPTION DOWN THERE, BUT THE THOUGHT IS SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP AND DEFINITELY THE FLAGPOLE WITH THE GAZEBO, I THINK THAT'S REALLY WOULD BE GREAT.
AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK HE COULD PROBABLY EVEN GET SOME, UM, ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAYBE WOULD, HE CAN GO TOWARDS FUNDING THAT I REALLY THINK, I THINK, I THINK WE PUT IT OUT THERE.
WE, I MEAN, EVEN SIMPLE AS IT GOES ON THE ADAGE PEOPLE, I DON'T REALLY LIKE THIS CAUSE THEY TAKE SOME OF YOUR MONEY.
WE COULD DO SOMETHING ELSE, LIKE A VENMO, THE TALENT.
SPEAKING OF THAT, THERE THERE'S SOME SPONSORS AND DONATIONS, SLIPPERY SLOPE, YOU KNOW, CORE TO SOME OF THE R CODES AND STUFF.
SO I THINK I'LL BE BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL THE ABILITY FOR, UH, SINCE WE'RE IN THE SPECIAL EVENTS, THEY ABLE TO TAKE DONATIONS, UM, AS A WAY TO HAVE THOSE COMMUNITIES AND THOSE RETAILERS AND MERCHANTS AND RESTAURANTS WHO WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE TOWN AND STUFF.
I KNOW THERE'S A THING RIGHT NOW, BUT UH, BUT NOT WHEN IT COMES TO SPONSORSHIP THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED THE FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THAT GENERATIONS DOWN THE ROAD.
SO I'LL BE BRINGING SOMETHING FORWARD ON THE OKAY.
UM, SO THAT LEADS US TO THE LAST THING, WHICH IS CLOSE.
MEANING WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO READ A THIN? I MOVED AT TOWN COUNCIL CONVENE AND GO INTO CLOSE MEETING FOR THE FOLLOWING ONE DISCUSSION CONSIDERATION, ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, DISCIPLINING, OR RESIGNATION THAT SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER'S APPOINTEE OR EMPLOYEES OF ANY PUBLIC BODY SPECIFIC TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY, PHYSICIAN FOR SWAYING TO 2.2 DASH 3, 7 11 A.ONE OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA.
AND THERE WASN'T ANY, SO WE HAVE
DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL TO GO IN FROM JACKSON COUNSELING? UM, HERE, LET ME CLEANERS ARE GLUTEN FREE.
I HEARD THAT COUNCIL CERTIFIED THAT TO BE FAIR, THAT TO BE THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S
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KNOWLEDGE AS RECOGNIZED BY EACH COUNCIL MEMBERS AFFIRMATIVE THOUGH THAT ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LOVELIES AND HAVE BEEN FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT, AS WE IDENTIFY MEMBERS TO CLOSED, HE WAS CONVENED FOR HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN A CLOSED MEETING BY COUNCIL.AND THAT THE VOTE OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNSEL CAN BE TAKEN, BE TAKEN BY ROLL CALL AND ACCORDED IN INCLUDED THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF TOWN CAPTAIN.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO DO A ROLL CALL WORSE.
AND YES, FOR ME, COUNCILMAN MAY MCFADDEN ABSENCE.